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00:00 – What are your plans for the weekend?
3:50 – Meeting attendance terms
9:20 – Overview (generalizing channels/materials)
14:33 – Protocols
20:44 – Terms and disclaimers
45:43 – Open call for legal experts

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A

What are your plans for the weekends.

B

Oh everybody uh yeah like rest. This weekend is going for rest tomorrow tomorrow morning, I'll meet a friend and we are going to do some sports in the in the nature, and then I don't know what I'll be doing, but for sure it will be like interesting, yeah I'll pass it to you something.

A

I think I'm gonna be working on the project that I told you. I've been in touch with um someone. I'm gonna talk to on tuesday and she's an illustrator I'll share with you, some of her links, she's around town and I'm gonna, explain her everything more or less and encourage her to do a test and and if it works out, we might have someone to to join as an illustrator.

C

A

An art director.

C

A

Something like that, okay, I I want to try to make several tests before deciding if we push the whole project, uh because it's it's good to see the reaction of of the public before so uh that's, basically it and and besides that, if it's a nice weather.

D

A

Might take the bike and do some biking? What about you ivy.

E

For the weekend, I've got no big plans just to work on the sprint video for common stock, so yeah it might take my yeah that's my plan for tomorrow morning and then maybe just do the laundry and that's it, and what about you? One.

A

Hey juan carlos we're just asking: what are your plans for the weekend.

D

Well, um a friend of mine that lives in bogota is going to stay some days in my house here in barranquilla, so yeah I'm going to spend some of the time with him and also, I think that tomorrow we have praise quantification. So um that's my plan for this weekend.

A

All right, okay, good to have friends coming home. It's always nice.

D

A

Did you see the video wall that I sent you from that train station in in bogota?

A

uh Nowhere did you send it to me on the stores channel in in telegram it's a twitter and it's just a short video of uh of a free wall in the station that shows our bitcoin aura or something like that.

B

Yeah, that's awesome. I saw it that is so cool like this. It's cool, it's cool.

A

Okay, so I think since no one else can you.

D

A

It to me I didn't I didn't, let me see here, let me get it here.

A

E

A

A direct well I'll, just here there you go.

A

A

Okay, so thank you all right. You're welcome.

A

The idea for today is to uh discuss the um the attendance and the attendance terms for the meetings and brainstorm around it and hopefully give you some ideas and you can share your initial idea and and and we can give you feedback and bring other ideas, so you guys can uh can end up with uh with some terms that we can review together later on.

A

So I would love if you can initially share the uh the the spark that created. I guess uh that all came from the sentence that uh you guys included on the working group agendas document stating that the meeting can be recorded and you you have that anyone can read that they. They need to be aware that everything can be recorded and later on either streamed, live streamed or uploaded into our social media. Video services like like youtube or library.

A

So that's, uh that's, um that's the initial sport and last week uh I remember, I recall that we started discussing or putting uh some insight or some our opinion. Everyone was sharing their opinion on on what the implications of that could be and and that maybe we could uh just on top of leaving that sentence up. There have an additional link, so anyone can click on anyone, who's, interested click on and get a deeper knowledge of what we might be doing with those with those images.

A

Okay, so initially uh and- and I can- and I can start here- I think that it's good to let anyone know that uh any recording that we may do can be uploaded for whatever time in in in our channels and if they don't feel comfortable with that they are. They are, of course uh they can leave the meeting, but uh but we are free to record any anything that we uh we have or that we produce uh in terms of meetings, open meetings and um and if they are not comfortable, they can leave.

B

uh There is a document that I've created. Oh can you share that? uh Maybe we can work on on that document. I just uh yeah. I've created that and I just added some some terms of service that you I have and yeah. If we I can share screen, if you want sure sure that'd be great, let me see.

D

A

So the can you just uh explain us a little bit the uh the structure of the document. There is an introduction initially.

E

um Yeah, I can explain that one uh zap. Can you share the document yeah? Yes, I can. I get multitask with the while recording um so yeah, so the they have this um introduction, so it's more general and more straightforward.

E

So in the um first paragraph I already mentioned that uh when they join the tec, calls they to be recorded and that they will follow our protocols and uh and that they abide by the disclaimers that we would like to present in this document.

E

So I included there the protocols that um one created in a different document so.

C

E

Just added them there I thought it's good to have there as well, and then I added that last. um Would it and then he and the second part, is the terms and disclaimers. So these are the rules I mean yeah, where we mentioned um yeah. If what we will do with the recording and um and we will not be held liable things like that and then at the bottom. While I was working on this document- or this part I think is from zap then at the bottom.

E

While I was working on this document, several questions came to my mind, so I'm not sure if we can talk about this one or I think this will be a problem for me in sep, because it's more on the meeting.

C

E

Video recording side, uh but the.

D

First question:.

A

E

A

No, I was, I was suggesting, why don't we start from the top of the document and.

C

A

Together we cover it and and anyone's open to bring their their their insights or their opinion. So I understand that initially it's fine. I would, from my perspective I would also add I would I would generalize- and not just mention youtube and library first, because today's youtube and library, and maybe next year, there's another social media platform that we join and you know so.

A

I would leave that open to any social media platform and also right now, there's already frames of videos published on on jessica, blog post sometimes, and we are all there so already on on on medium and sometimes on on twitter.

A

I think I've seen I've seen frames of videos, so I would leave it open to any social media channel that the ec may be maybe using.

A

E

Yeah yeah yeah. It makes sense because we might also share this videos on twitter and maybe on this board. So yeah.

A

And maybe mention videos or any extracted frame of the videos or any material or any content from the videos.

A

Because, sometimes for our own, you know need maybe uh you know we get a frame and use it on one of the blog posts or on twitter or whatever like like, when we had the uh the karate offest and and we got the presence of the rapid style.

A

I think we had a frame of that, so any content recorded during the calls uh could be used or unpublished um as needed by the dc, and I would leave it something like that.

A

So everyone understands that anything recorded on the calls can be used on any channels uh and on any social media channels by the uh or material, because sometimes I try to, and I try to leave it open because imagine that we create a flyer on paper, because we go to some event and we create flyer and some images of us are there on the flyer that we play to give away whenever the copied letters offers us the opportunity to to travel again.

A

Okay, so I would mention on on on online channels printed or whatever type of support.

A

Okay uh is that time.

B

For everyone yeah, I I I want to clarify one thing: are we going to use the? Can we so the flyers thing is commercial right.

A

So yes, and no it's it, may it may not be commercial. uh It may be just for people to know who we are imagine we go to an event uh you know uh and and and we have a booth and we just give away information.

A

So anyone knows anyone walking by knows what tc is about and they can grab a flyer and on that flyer there's our logo there's some information. There might be a picture of some of us.

E

So maybe it's more like it doesn't.

A

Necessarily has to be.

E

Yeah, maybe it's more like for social engagement, it's not commercial purpose but yeah, for maybe it's for social engagement. But um if we go to events.

A

Yeah and and any, and I would add in any support so that that that gives that media yeah in our social media.

A

In in any support instead of social media, I would I would I would change that for any support, and that includes absolutely everything.

A

Okay, that particular consensa to be recorded and allows the use of recording as this as described, and allows the use of recorded material as described not just the recording the recorded material, because if we get a frame from there and we print it, it's it's the material. It's the recorded material.

A

Okay, all right now the protocols uh can we just go real quick over them. uh Those are exactly the same that uh that juan carlos uh suggested, except for the last one.

E

um Yeah I copy pasted them and just made tiny um proofreading on those bullets, but.

A

E

A

They are if they are. If they are the same, I I absolutely think it's great to have them there, but I understand and correct me if I'm wrong juan carlos. I understand that those are the the protocols in the code of conduct. Is that correct.

D

um I think that in the code of conduct we have a link to a forum post. Where is the protocol?

D

But um it's like it's just a link to to the forum post. So maybe we can say just like. We have a call of protocols and paste the link of the of the of the.

A

Right, that's what I was thinking, because if we reproduce them, we risk that, if any time those protocols, change or increase, we may forget to include them in here. If we have the information in several places, uh you know you always have to think on change. Whatever change, whatever changes, are you have to think on all the places that that information is is written?

A

So I would mention here, like uh the protocols, follow the rules included in the and paste the link and if we want to add something additional, like the the last point that iv added. Maybe we can leave that because that that might be a specific for for the call terms and not just uh the protocols.

A

So is that that point that you added iv, the last one, the facilitator, should verbally notify the participants that the call is being recorded.

E

A

E

B

E

I just wanted to put it into writing, so it's there and um everybody will be reminded that um it's one of the protocols and not just because we want to remind I just wanted.

C

E

Just because we want to notify the participants, but I'm I don't know.

C

If it's a protocol.

E

Or it said it should fall under a different category.

A

Yeah, but I think that should be there for sure, so I.

B

Think because, like in reality, that's not happening and- and I think that that effect I mean just in case like someone wants to delete some content from us and they could say. Oh you didn't say that in the beginning- and I mean it's something that's happening so is there, do you know.

A

I understand: do you know if there is any way to put a ticker on the on the screen with a sentence like saying you know this is being recorded, so anyone can see no matter if they click on the protocol or they click on the agenda or they or we forget like when you record that you see the there's a recording word up over your your screen.

A

I don't know if, if there is a way to add that directly on the screen, we just introduce that sentence and.

C

A

Every meeting and and that's it, we know that it gets recorded and everyone sees it for sure. I don't know if that's a that's an option.

B

I could add, like more text like saying, check this and blah blah blah, but I cannot create a link because what I'm doing is having a picture in front of my camera, like I'm, using a beautiful camera, that's what I'm doing! Okay, okay, okay,.

A

All right, but but at least that message saying this is being recorded, that's that's there. You know, and and and maybe that is being recorded, check the protocols any anyone want. At least we are warning them. Okay, if they check or not it's their own business, but we are warning that this is being recorded and that there is some protocols somewhere that they can ask for or check the agenda or check you know so at least we warn them that I think that's a that's!

A

uh That's a great way to you know to do it because, as you mentioned, we forget to mention that this is being recorded. Sometimes we do sometimes we don't at least even if we forget it's there,.

B

Yeah, I can do that.

A

That's that's great okay, so I.

E

I reworded it so it won't be. It won't be strict with verbally notifying them. So I changed the wording just to notify.

C

The participants.

E

That um their beating is being recorded, perfect.

A

Juan carlos, you think that just mentioning the link and and adding that on all these paragraphs is enough. What's what's your thoughts.

D

Yes, I think that maybe um if we could have a developer aid, maybe we could um add that, uh like like flag or something to the calls, but um for the the moment just to have like uh the the spiritual screen that uh septimus has like uh with the recording banner and like we openly talk about it, and we presume that the people that is in the call like is informed and uh and that we also have um that in in some place of the call that just like recording. uh I think, that's enough.

D

A

All right, good, okay, so do we move down to the other paragraph, the terms and disclaimers? Okay, let's see, let's go over them. While we advocate transparency, we ensure that no sensitive, confidential information will be shared publicly.

A

What we understand by that by sensible and confidential information, because that's a that's a critical word, whatever is sensible, for you may not be sensible for me or how do we know if something is confidential.

B

Well, that's what I said by ivy but, for example, sensitive information for me would be like. Let's say I open a document and- and you see my email here at the beginning, when I was recording, I was editing. Those emails like just blurring that that part, but if we are live streaming, there's no way, I can do it. So I don't know how we want to proceed on that.

A

That's that's I mean, I understand your point on writing that and it's clear. The problem is that we we have no control. If I, while we are recording, I grab a banner and I put whatever here before you ban me that's being recorded and if it's, if it's record at least we can cut it, but if it's being a stream live stream, there is no way we can get that out. Okay, so the thing is: there's things that are out there.

A

We cannot control.

E

A

Agree with that, that's.

E

Why the second um bullet is a disclaimer for that um situation when it happens because, like you said, we can't control them. So I put the second bullets is about uh the disclaimer that um if it happens that somebody shared the confidential information, so we will not be held liable for that.

A

Okay, that that, then, that clarifies that that that looks good with bottom, I think, but again, instead of the official youtube channel, just any media channels that pc may be using.

A

Okay, next point is the participants are discouraged from recording the calls without the transparency working will consent. Okay, that's good! That's good! The tc will not help liable for videos recorded without her consent that that's good the participant, personal opinions and comments. No matters of public interest do not represent this city as an organization.

A

The recorded videos will never be used for commercial purposes.

A

I see the idea of doing that, but I I try to think what commercial purposes may mean, because we may think that something is not commercial purpose, but from a legal perspective, if we are using those videos to try to get hatchers that may be considered a commercial purpose.

A

So I would leave that I would leave that final bullet between brackets and and and and I would love if uh some some legal expert could you know, give their their opinion.

A

See I completely agree with the uh with the idea, but we gotta be careful because what we may think it's not illegal, it's not a commercial purpose. It may be.

B

A

Of of a legal expert.

B

And I think, like the world with that document, is to protect ourselves right.

A

I think it's to protect ourselves and to protect the members of the tec both because uh because if, if someone records material, if someone records this this um this meeting, for instance- and they use it, um you know it may be protecting the members or the the members of the tec that were participating on that meeting more than the tec.

A

You know because if, if someone records this and grabs my image and uses my image for whatever they want just to you know insult me in the social media uh channels, you know they're they're, going against me.

F

D

F

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C

A

It's protecting tc and protecting the members, the members of on the meetings which may even not even be members, someone that just jumps in one day and never comes back. He he happens to be there and he's recorded on the video.

A

That's true, we are, I would say, yeah we uh at the top of the document. You you guys state what we means. uh We are the owners of all content.

A

We call recorded content I'll record it yeah I'll record the content, all the content.

D

Is is this document in the code of conduct.

A

No, the idea is to have this document as a standalone document for terms of the meetings.

D

Okay, but maybe just like paste the link, the link somewhere in the in the code of conduct.

A

D

It could be it.

A

Would be nice? Yes, maybe I don't know, maybe we can discuss and the place to have it is on the call of conduct. I I I mean I have no specific preference to have it here or there, wherever it's easier for for the members to check or or to have a link or jump into it. You know or to have it in the forum yeah, maybe yeah, maybe the forum would be.

A

I would say that it probably needs to be in several places, definitely in the code of conduct, and I would also like to have it on the forum and and beyond that yeah, because it's in the forum, you, if we paste a link on the agenda of every working group with that sentence, saying this is being recorded and then there's the link here with all the terms and then they can jump into that forum post and that can be that can be there and and also have it reproduced on the code of conduct.

B

But I think you can think on that when the document is like finished, because right now it's like uh like this is not even clean. I just have.

A

A

So when you, when you have it finalized, uh we will try to see if uh a legal expert can give it uh some read and and and give our thoughts, and then we can consider it's finalized.

A

Awesome. Okay, perfect! All right, so uh you guys can do those light changes, slight changes and and next week, if we have an expert we'll require them if they can take a look at it and once it's clean if they can take a look at it and give their their thoughts on that.

B

I think we can transparency finish and clean what we might think, but then it would be super cool if a legal expert can add it and do whatever they need to the document to be very. Protecting the people on the tc.

A

Okay, all right all right, great and oh hello.

A

Hi grief go ahead.

B

Then I here I went to youtube demo service and I just pasted what they have and yeah, and then we could tweak it together. Here.

A

Yeah, but keep in.

B

A

Keep in mind that uh those maybe terms are specific for youtube and we have to think on any platform, not just youtube.

B

Yeah, but in this part of the of their terms service, they were talking about the content like their content on youtube like no one can go there, and I I don't know I download a video from one company and I use it for myself and stuff like that and yeah.

B

I just put it there just so we think on that we can delete it if it's not needed, but I think it would be interesting to read it together.

A

Coming back to that now that you're there grief what what? What do you think on that last point this is the owner of all recorded content. Do you think that's that's uh the way to come forward.

C

I I um I'm not an expert on this. I would imagine so I kind of like having this I mean. Who else would own it right like?

C

If there's a challenge, then either we can appoint um like kind of do what buzz dow does like with I'm sure we could speak more and maybe like like what does one hive do with their video content? I I think that they're a little less like formalized than we're trying to be like it's probably just like shoot flying out there, but I think it'd be really cool to say that the dao owns these things.

C

Do you have any thoughts on what buzz dow does.

F

um Well, what we do is uh um pretty much well, luke is the owner of the youtube channel, um but we've been also trying to like for putting some effort into like decentralizing those as well uh he's been uh designating uh like different uh editors for the channel, and I don't know if it's all like under, like a gmail account that everybody has access to. I imagine not, but now we all have like uh admin roles in the in the youtube channel.

F

This way uh uh I mean the in the boss dao, we can modify it. We can uh like add thumbnails to the videos and stuff like that, uh but yeah I mean regarding who, like like ownership of the video, uh that's I I'm not sure like who who it belongs to, but since it's like a a community channel, I I would assume that community uh the thing that I'm pretty sure it's different is: uh if people appear in the video uh they stay or they they still own like their uh public image rights.

F

You know they they still uh own that and but uh but yeah other than that. I'm not uh I'm not sure about like uh ownership of like centralized uh platforms. You know it's a it's. It's a uh it continuously is a topic that keeps up that people keep bringing up. You know, because it's a dilemma in a way.

A

Yeah because, actually, according to youtube, we may be the owners of the account, but the owners of the content as long as we upload it to youtube is youtube.

A

So even we may write whatever we want there, but as long as you use youtube service, they are the owners of the content.

F

So if tc decides to uh monetize uh the content, uh youtube is keeping like most most of that.

A

Right right, okay! Well, anyway, anyway, we will have to have that document reviewed by uh by our legal experts, so we get their insights and and that that'd be that'd, be the final touch.

A

So when you, whenever you guys, have it clean and just about ready, uh zap and and libby and ivy, uh let's, uh let's just try to see if we can have it with by by a legal expert there.

A

Anything else here that you want to that. You want to add.

E

There is one question that I wanted to ask: uh I think it's a major for me because I'm drafting this one and I'm not sure if we should also yeah the first bullet, should we also align our terms with the existing privacy laws in the country where tech is officially registered.

E

Are we registered in any country.

A

No, the ec is not going to be registered anywhere, so there is no. There is no sense on trying to align the terms on any country because there is no.

A

I write the tc is not going to be an entity at all, so there is no sense. I'm doing on that point.

C

I mean if you want to be cool.

A

C

It you can say that we're ethereum based entity, you know that we live in the ethereum jurisdiction. It won't hold any, but like that's kind of the default idea, and that is where our organizational structure is so.

A

Right, but that, in order to uh to work on that bullet, there's no there's no privacy laws on the ethereum network, so we cannot be aligned with those terms.

F

Okay and like going back to the uh youtube example like if we uh like upload a video and there's like a dispute about some about some of the content, uh we would need to comply with youtube uh policies right which are uh us-based so it. It also depends on the, though the platform that uh we're reaching out to.

B

F

A

B

Go ahead in our case, we are uploading it on youtube, but also in libraries, so we still keeping the rights or or when you post something on youtube. You already love them. It's just a question.

A

Yeah, that's that's! That's one.

D

B

C

Have the originals.

A

If you keep the originals- which I don't know we do, but if we keep them, we always have that content on our local hard drive or wherever we store them on the cloud.

A

So that's, but I don't know if it has any if it's needed- or it has sense to mention that that you are trying to to to mention ivy, uh because the the legal terms or the terms of the of the laws um have no sense here, because we.

C

A

Just on an an ethereum entity- and I don't think there is a much loss on the uh humanity at all, so I would you know in a way we're always in that gray area, and this comes back to my mind and maybe great that you, you you'll, be thinking more about it in a way we try to protect, because we want to protect the users and we want to make sure that they know what they are dealing with whenever we record, but on the opposite side, there is no law, there is no entity, so we are there playing like two games, okay and and and it's good to mention- and it's good to warn them, but at the end of the day, if they, if, if someone grabs that video and does whatever they want with that video and someone feels that they've been, you know going against them.

A

If they want to sue us, there is no entity to sue. So at the end of the day, there's not too much that we can do. We can warn them. This is the game. We are playing we're being record, we're recording this we're uploading them. You cannot do this. You cannot do that, but I am not an entity.

A

I don't have a legal uh right to do anything so and if you want to sue me, you're not gonna find anyone, because I'm on the ethereum network, so at the end of the day, it's good to mention, but I wouldn't go too deep into the legal uh aspects of of or consequences of of breaking these rules or not.

A

I just think I wouldn't. I wouldn't mention that. First point, that's my perspective. I don't know anyone else can give their own opinion, but I wouldn't I wouldn't jump into into that. First bullet.

A

What do you guys think.

C

B

Yeah, I actually I I also like the idea of grief, saying we are we're landing ethereum I mean, I think, that's cool, but if it's not too much work to do, yeah just don't put anything and it should work.

A

Well, that that mentioning that we are an entity on the ethereum blockchain that can be added on the top paragraph uh where we, you know, we introduce the document, and I think I think we should mention that, and but just add it on the top. On the top paragraph at the beginning of the document.

A

Right there yeah the token engineering commons is ortiz. uh It's an entity living in the uh in the ethereum blockchain or it's die. Ethereum origin.

A

What would you say.

B

I mean we're going to venice, died, right right.

F

B

F

Specific, in my opinion,.

A

Then just leave ethereum yeah.

A

Course, actually, in the other document on the hatching document, hatching terms, we were always mentioning ethereum we mentioned both, maybe just mention leave them both.

E

Maybe um maybe I can.

C

C

On next I not on ethereum, really.

A

Okay, then just delete the ethereum leave the exact okay.

C

So now we, I think, both, I think saying both is good. Yeah.

A

We never know maybe whenever, if 2.0 gets introduced, we end up being on the ethereum blockchain. You know.

C

Absolutely uh xdi xday has always said that they would likely end up as a shard on these two.

A

So can we go down the document and check the other bullets.

A

So can be at all meetings via this core get hacked. How do we prevent this? Well, anything can anything can be hacked as long as it's on the internet.

E

um Yeah, if someone like um in the third bullet is the same with the word bullet, how do we prevent unwanted guests? I don't know how hacking can happen in discord, but I was just thinking that um if we have something about this stuff, then should we also mention it in these? um How do we protect um those people attending our meetings from hackers.

A

E

A

I think we can warn them, but we cannot protect them. Just imagine when we live stream. Anyone can be can be recording that from their screen capturing their screen and doing whatever they want with that video, there is no way we can protect them. All we can do is warn them.

B

A

And by no means we want to take the responsibility to protect them at all, because we cannot.

E

Okay, so I'm just going to add the statement there that uh just like a warning statement and that um and the disclaimer that we will not be responsible. If so, if um having happened while they're in our calls.

A

Or not just hacking, just uh if anyone uses the images or records the images for their own purpose with any intention, so the images are beyond our control once they are uploaded in any of those platforms or live stream.

E

Okay, okay, got it thanks: okay,.

A

What the other one is uh in relation to the the last one. Is there an aromatic way.

E

Yeah, this is the same quest uh same issue that we talked about earlier, like if the people.

A

E

Do something about it.

A

Yeah one of the uh I don't know if chu was there when we were discussing this, but grief was not one of the one of the things that we discussed was to have some some kind of of text banner on the on the um during the meeting. So everyone, even if they don't check the agenda or they don't check the terms knows that this is being recorded.

A

Okay and it's just a warning saying this is being recorded, you can go check the terms if you don't do it your own business, but the terms you're being warned that there are some terms and that this is being recorded for internal use or for whatever.

A

So at least anyone jumping in like when we're having a meeting someone jumps in for the first time. They don't know what the hell this community is about, or anything, but the very first minute they jump in. They are being recorded. So at least, if we have that banner there they are, they are warned that uh the content is being recorded and and may be uploaded uh if we decide to.

A

Because we mention it, we may mention it today at the beginning of the meeting, but we don't mention it anymore. So you know new people may not. If they jump in late, they they don't. They don't know.

A

Okay, I think that that option zaptimus the sooner we introduce it, the better, because uh the banner thing.

B

But when you say a banner, it's just adding a small text below yeah.

A

Yeah yeah yeah. I mean right right right, yeah, a small text.

B

I I can't do it like even right now, but yeah. I mean right now, because I should close the camera and stuff but yeah. That's yeah.

A

I mean I mean I mean we can introduce that right away, even if we don't have this document finished or reviewed or whatever, because you know at least it's a way to warn anyone that anything is being recorded, and you know it's like this life that shows up here on the on the stream of the screen right now that little button, something like that would make it you know, live, recording or whatever.

B

Yeah, I can't say like the big one that recording they actually have normally uh and then in the bottom, add something like create themselves conditions. Do you think that's good enough or.

A

B

A

Or if there's uh the terms and conditions on the agenda, you know and whoever wants to check it out, they're gonna, they're gonna ask they are going to say what is the agenda. Where is it? Where can I find these these these terms and and so on? So of course we'll take care of that, but if they don't know that there are terms, there's no way they may think on asking about the terms.

A

Okay, I think that's that's fine, so you guys clean it and as soon as we uh as we find a legal expert, we can have it reviewed. Okay. I would like to take the last minutes of the call just to um dig deeper into into the participation I was uh this morning. I got a dm from metaverde. She introduced me to uh to a lawyer in seattle that wants to join. She just needed to uh discuss with her.

A

You know the company she's working for to see if there was any incompatibility, but uh I would love to give an open. You know call to any legal expert to join because we we need them at least to review these documents that we work on and and have an eye of an expert. So I I dm'ed um anya. We could try to get them, but if they are not coming, they.

C

May be busy or they.

A

Or whatever they may have the reasons not to come, but but at least doing some efforts to try to onboard legal legal experts, uh it's needed at least on this group for sure. So I will see what what happens with this contact that metapedic gave me. She said she might get in touch with me today and uh hopefully, either today or sometime during monday or tuesday. I can, I can talk to her and see if she's able to join and uh and maybe she can bring others.

A

So we have some and not just one and- and we can we can, you know, distribute the revision work on on several of those. But if you have any ideas on you know on on anyone, or has you have anyone in mind that may be willing to join or that we could approach that'd be that'd, be great.

A

I'm I'm open to you know, explain them what we do and and the type of of work, which is not too much work, but we would love them to help us with and and and see if they they are willing to come.

A

F

I have a really good friend that does uh intellectual property and.

C

F

He uh I I told him like a couple of weeks ago about uh the tec and- and he was very interested so I'll- try to follow through with that and and see if uh he would be willing to, because I mean these last points uh I can uh help like think of him. So I'll try to see. Maybe you know the yeah. We could get someone like that on board.

A

That'd be cool, I mean all we need is the eye of an expert, because most of us, you know, have been doing legal documents. But but of course we are not the experts so their point of view, although they gotta keep in mind that most of the time we don't do most of what they advise, because we end up, you know moving forward with what we think, because we are not a legal entity and we don't want to become a legal entity. But uh but their point of view is is critical.

A

It's it's needed, no matter what we end up doing, we gotta know what's going on and what the law deals with. So it's important and and that'd be great. So if you can encourage him to join that'd, be great I'll talk, hopefully be able to talk to with tamara the girl that um that uh metaverde passed me and- and I don't know if we can try to reach anya and marina.

A

Somehow I will see who brought them and through who we're on board and and see if we can at least get uh get uh get them back here every once in a while and help us with uh or even if they don't come, if we can have a way to send them the documents and get their feedback that that'd be that'd, be already enough. Okay, so that's that's great thanks for thanks for introducing that that that option there chewy okay, anything else. uh Anyone wants to bring on today meeting before we close no.

D

I just want to say that um an hour earlier levy planned to have a hack session on the code of conduct, but as we didn't have it like, maybe we can work on it a thing and like if anyone has some comments or something like help her, because this is other document that is really important and and that needs a lot of work.

A

Okay, I think she was thinking on rescheduling for monday right. I think she wrote that on the on the uh stewart's uh channel on telegram and she she was thinking or she proposed to reschedule it on monday, and I saw that zettimos said he was fine for him. So, although.

D

We can always work on synchrony.

A

That's great, okay, anything else before we close, no all right, perfect, let's keep moving! You thanks. You thank you all for coming.

A