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A
Yeah,
it
should
be
there,
okay,
so
yeah,
let's
start
with
the
intentions
and
distractions.
So
for
me
the
intention
is
to
go
mainly
to
go
through
the
proposals,
the
team's
terms
and
conditions
for
the
cv
proposals
and
get
everybody's
feedback.
A
My
distraction
is,
I
feel,
like
I
have
a
bit
of
a
cold,
so
that's
just
it
and
I
got
distracted
baby
by
the
mouse
it
it's
not
working.
When
I
was
throwing
the
agenda.
Opacity,
iwanka.
B
Thanks
ivy
yeah,
I
also
have
a
little
bit
of
a
cold
and
that's
my
distraction.
My
intention
is
to
sing
with
you-
and
I
am
super
excited
about
this
weekend
and
today's
vote
so
yeah
and
I'll
pass
to
grief.
C
Gm
I'm
super
to
dedic,
be
able
to
finally
come
to
legal
call.
I
feel,
like
I
missed
a
few,
but
I
really
want
to
just
kind
of
take
the
time
that
I
can
to
review
the
documents
and
make
comments
with
the
context
that
I
have
from
the
technical
side,
so
it
can
be
applied
and
and
I'm
distracted
by
the
fact
that
there's
an
ama
and
a
bunch
of
people
are
coming
to
my
house
so
for
the
common
stack,
giveth,
ama
and
so
it'll
be
really
fun.
C
D
A
Thanks
pablo
yeah,
I
think
the
last
one
is
zepty.
E
A
Thanks
so
yeah,
so
the
first
india
is
the
community.
Covenant
just
want
to
give
you
an
update
that
it's
been
reviewed
by
sean
and
now
it's
being
voted
on
snapshot.
The
only
change
that
the
major
change
that
we
did
there
is
avoiding
the
use
of
words
taking
because
in
the
challenger,
when
we
dispute
the
proposal,
the
challenger
need
to
stake
the
same
amount
of
tc
token
to
to
challenge
a
proposal.
A
So
the
point
that
sean
said
is
that
staking
is
usually
associated
with
rewards,
so
we
changed
the
word.
We
didn't
use
the
words
taking.
Instead,
we
used
the
phrase
like
committing
a
tc
token
to
the
to
the
to
challenge
the
proposal
instead
of
mistaking
so
yeah.
A
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
an
update
that
that's
the
main
change
and
the
last
change
that
we
did
for
in
the
community
covenant
before
it
went
to
snapchat
for
voting
so
yeah
and
then
for
the
pro
the
big
just.
C
Just
one
thing
you
said
was
that
the
challenger
has
to
put
up
as
much
as
the
proposer
does,
but
that's
not
that's
not
true.
It's
like
they
put
up
as
much
they
put
twice
as
well.
Our
our
default
settings
are
that
it
will
be
200,
wrap
decks,
die
worth
of
tec
tokens
as
a
proposal,
deposit
and
400
rap,
backstage
worth
of
tec
tokens
for
a
challenge,
deposit.
C
Those
numbers
might
change
through
governance
over
time.
So
one
thing
that's
interesting
is
number
one
they're
they're
they're
in
a
stable
token,
so
the
the
amount
in
tec
will
vary,
but
it'll
always
be
still
in
tec.
So
it's
like
denominated
in
a
stable
token,
but
they
have
to
stake
tec
tokens
and
but
also
governance
will
likely
change
these.
Maybe
we
want
to
make
proposals
easier
or
harder,
we'll
see.
A
Okay,
so
let
me
just
because
we
also
say
use
the
same
wording
in
the
in
the
terms
and
conditions
that
we're
just
taking
the
equivalent
amount.
Except
can
you
open
the
document,
cb
proposals
tnc?
A
So
yeah,
I
think
we
can
go
to
that
part
later.
Let's
maybe
we
can
go
through
this
section,
one
by
one.
We
already
went
through
this
in
our
last
legal
call.
Great,
but
maybe
others
have
comments
so
the
acceptance
of
terms
we
have
edited
this.
We
we
were
talking
about
before
that.
We
would
just
make
a
separate
document
for
the
challengers
and
that's
what
we
I
will
start
drafting
that
once
this
is
this.
A
The
the
tnc
for
proposers
are
clear,
but
if
others
think
that
they
should
be
only
in
one
terms
and
conditions,
then
we
can
just
integrate
the
challengers
eligibility
as
well
in
this
document,.
A
Or
does
it
make
sense
to
have
a
separate
csc
tnc
for
challengers.
C
A
C
There
they're
working
on
it
they're
working
it
shouldn't
be
that
hard
and
it
looks
like
it
looks
like
gabby
put
it
as
a
priority:
it's
just
not
there.
Yet.
I
think
it
will
be
there
if
it's
not
there
by
the
end
of
the
week
when
we
launch,
then
it
will
be
there
eventually
and
we'll
be
able
to
add
it.
A
So
it's
something
like
before
the
proposer
sends
the
submit
a
proposal
they
have
like
to
take
a
box
that
they
agree
with
these
terms
and
conditions.
Then
that
will
be
linked
to
this
document
is.
This
is:
is
that
how
it's
going
exactly.
C
Exactly
right
now
there
is
something
there,
but
there's
no
box,
so
they
added
their
own,
basically
disclaimer,
but
they
didn't
give
us
a
place,
which
is
great.
You
know
they
didn't
have
that
before.
But
now,
when
you
try
to
propose
there's
a
little
disclaimer
box,
but
they
haven't
given
us
a
link
and
a
check
box
or
anything,
you
know.
A
Yeah
and
then
what
I
was
thinking
before
is
that
this
document
can
go
to
github
to
get
book,
so
we
can
link
that
when
they
take
the
box
when
they
propose
the
document
will
be,
it
will
go
to
the
to
get
book
where
we
can
put
this
document
unless
we
want
to.
C
A
Yeah
yeah,
I
think
that's
a
yeah,
it's
a
great
idea.
Okay,
so
zepty.
Can
you
go
back
again,
please
to
the
top
human
to
the
terms
and
conditions?
Yes,
so
yeah,
so
we
agree
that
so
for
also
for
challengers.
They
also
need
to
take
a
box
that
they
agree
with
their
own
terms
before
they
challenge
the
proposal.
A
A
Okay,
can
you
scroll
up
a
bit
to
number
four
number
four
yeah,
because
this
is
where
the
I
have
a
lot
of
confusions
here.
So
my
question
here
is:
where
will
the
deposit
go
or
where
will
it
be
held
when
the
proposal
a
proposer
sends
a
deposit
p
where,
wherever
it
goes,
is
it
going
to
be
held
in
the
common
pool.
C
I'm
sorry
I
was,
I
didn't
realize
I
wasn't
muted.
I
was
muted
there.
There
is
a
separate
proposal
like
thing
like
like
holding
spots.
You
see.
I
know
I
can't.
I
can't
challenge
that
one
because
I
made
it.
Let's
see,
I'm
just
going
through
the
gardens
right
now
to
see
what
they
call
it,
but
there
is
like
there
is
like
a
deposit
spot.
C
C
Oh
yeah,
here
we
go
yeah,
they
call
it
so
for
so
for
proposing
for
making
a
proposal
you
they
have
a
deposit
manager
and
then
for
challenging
a
proposal.
C
A
A
That
I
mean,
is
it
already.
H
F
A
It
how
it
looks
like
well.
C
Okay,
so
when
people
are
making
a
deposit,
where
are
those
funds
like
to
make
a
proposal?
Where
are
those
funds
held
and
when
people
are
making
a
challenge?
Where
are
those
funds
held.
I
C
C
So
one
thing
that
I
just
noticed
here
when
I
go
to
challenge
your
proposal
and
giveth
what,
when
I
go
to
challenge
your
proposal
and
give
it
it
says
that
I
I
have
you
must
deposit
this
much
give
to
in
order
to
challenge
a
proposal.
You
must
deposit
this
much
honey
to
cover
initial
dispute
fees,
okay,
yeah
and
so,
like
this
deposit,
give,
I
assume,
goes
to
the
deposit
manager
yeah.
It's
you
already
have
them.
C
I
C
I
And
maybe
it
fails
because
it
is,
it
is
over
my
my
creation,
deposit.
C
C
I
think
okay,
I
I
if
I
had
to
guess
the
the
give
tokens
will
go
to
the
we'll
go
to
the
deposit
manager
and
in
this
case
the
tec
deposit
manager
is
what
I
would
call
it.
That's
where
the
funds
would
go
and.
A
I
Accurately
it
sounds
like
because
there
is
a
deposit
manager
for
each
of
the
tokens
yeah.
So
it's
that
actually
to
the
tc
deposit
manager,
perfect
and
then
the
honey
goes
to
celeste
and
the
honey
goes
to
celeste.
And
then,
if
celeste
rules
against
you
against
you,
you
have
a
skeletal.
They
give
the
tc
and
the
fees
are
paid
to
the
last
for
the
shooters
to
do
work
perfect.
I
A
To
clarify
when
the
proposer
only
sends
a
deposit
on
tc
token,
but
the
challenger
deposits
a
tc
token,
as
well
as
honey
right.
B
A
Okay
but
and
then.
I
C
Yeah
we'd
have
to
change
the
terms
I
mean,
but
in
the
end
like,
if
we
don't
have
some
agreement
and
people
are
like,
I
didn't
know,
you
were
going
to
steal
my
money.
When
I
put
up
a
proposal
deposit,
I
thought
it
was
just
a
gate:
we're
going
to
sue
every
single
member
of
this
tao
because
you're
just
a
cause,
you're,
just
a
good
luck.
Yeah
well,.
A
Also
needs
to
to
deposit
put.
C
A
The
proposal
needs
to
deposit
money
tokens
for
what
it's
for.
F
Was
just
going
to
say
like
just
maybe
you
want
to
just
say
per
the
rules
of
the
or
per
the
procedures
and
rules
of
celeste
right.
So
it's
just
clear
like
where
these
rules
are
from
because
we're
just
you're
just
sort
of
explaining
the
rules
that
exist
now.
But
it's
like
per
the
applicable
rules
of
and
procedures
of,
celeste.
C
F
C
They're
they're
pushing
hard
on
the
block
scout
stuff.
It's
all
gnosis
chain
now
and
oh.
G
J
C
A
A
Is
there
any
additional
important
information
that
the
proposer
needs
to
know
why
they're
depositing
honey
tokens.
H
I
think
a
lot
of
it
and
then
also
the
I
wrote
two
forum
posts
in
the
tc
on
like
challenging
and
subtle,
settling
and
blah
blah.
So
there's
a
lot
of
like
information
of
the
process
in
there.
C
I'll
I'll
I'll
just
copy
paste
and
we
can
rephrase.
A
Okay
and
and
the
deposit,
if,
if
the
proposal
gets
passed
on
conviction
voting,
it
won't
be
reversibly,
refundable,.
C
A
So
technically,
if
it
gets
fast,
it
will
be
executed
right.
C
A
C
A
A
I
I
don't
know
pablo
if
you
think,
if
in
legal
documents,
we
need
to
define
all
those
like
the
gas
fee,
do
you
think
we
need
to
define
it
also
in
the
terms
and
conditions.
D
Yes,
I
I
I
I
think
so,
but
I'm
not
currently
watching
all
the
time
the
screen
I'm
I'm
driving,
but
but
yes,
I
think
that
probably
we
will
need
to
to
do
some
arrangements.
I
I
can
do
some
suggestions
over
the
over
the
weekend
for
that.
C
A
Yeah,
so
we
can,
let's
go
to
the
to
the
fifth,
the
section:
five
zip.
A
How
can
you
scroll
down
yeah?
I
also
have
some
questions
here
so
yeah
if,
after
being
challenged
and
the
proposal
is
withdrawn,
the
deposit
will
be
returned
to
the
proposer
right,
that's
their
token,
their
easy
token
will
be
returned
to
them.
C
A
But
you
also
mentioned
that,
since
they
will
deposit
honey
once
the,
if
the
proposal
is
challenged
will
be
honey,
will
the
honey
be
also
returned
to
them
if
they
decide
to
withdraw
the
proposal.
C
No,
so
when,
when
a
dispute
is
created,
then
by
challenging
the
proposal
and
committing
this
is,
this
is
wrong.
By
committing
tc
tokens
to
support
the
dispute.
C
C
C
A
And
then
what
happens
to
the
challenger's
deposit.
A
C
C
So
when
the
you
know
that
someone
puts
money
up
to
make
a
proposal,
that
proposal
is
challenged.
The
challenger
had
to
put
tec
and
honey
up
now.
The
proposer
has
so
much
time
to
do
two.
One
of
two
actions
either
accept
the
settlement,
offer
and
withdraw
their
proposal
or
put
up
honey
and
challenge
the
challenge
right
and
take
it
to
celeste.
Take
it
to
court.
If
they
do
nothing,
then
the
challenger
wins
and
they
lose
their
deposit.
A
Then
that
information
should
go
to
the
to
the
terms
and
conditions
for
the
challenger.
A
A
A
I
I
wrote
something
here
that
celeste:
if
the
process
is
not
withdrawn,
is
it
enough
to
say
that
celeste
would
be
used
to
sell
the
dispute
and.
C
No
because
if
the
proposal
is
not
withdrawn,
if,
if
nothing
happens,
then
the
proposer
loses
their
their
fund,
then
the
proposal,
the
proposer,
loses
their
money
if
the
challenger
asked
for
their
money.
So
it's
not
it
after
being
challenged.
If
the
and
the
proposal
is
it's
not
withdrawn,
it's
more
like
and
if,
after
being
challenged
you
as
a
proposer,
choose
to
challenge
the
challenge,
then
celeste
will
be
used
to
settle
the
dispute
if
the
if
after
being
challenged
and
the
proposal
is
not
withdrawn.
F
A
Oh
yeah,
we
I
think,
if
we
is,
will
it
be
helpful
to
have
a
different
section
for
that,
because
we
provide
the
definition
of
those
terms
in
different
sections
like
in
number
one
in
section
one.
That's
where
we
define
the
proposer.
A
I
mean
in
section
three,
so
do
you
think
the
centralized?
If
we,
it
will
be
helpful
if
we
have
a
separate
section
just
for
the
definitions.
F
If
that's
all
we're
talking
about,
I
guess
that's
fine
it
just
it
just
seems
strange
to
go
between
proposer
and
you.
F
K
I
think
this
one,
the
other
actor,
is
the
challenger,
and
we
there's
the
challenger.
A
Section:
five:
oh
okay,
so
while
brief
is
anything
that
maybe
actually
section
seven
they're
the
succeeding
sections
like
seven
to
to
ten,
I
feel
like
some
of
there
might
be
redundant
points
here,
but
I
want
to
ask
pablo
for
help
because
I
don't
know:
what's
the
difference
between
indemnity
and
these
things,
because
I
was
reading
through
this
since
I
only
took
this
terms
and
conditions
from.
A
Yeah
from
gnosis
and
gitcoin
and
as
I
read
through
them,
I
feel
like
yeah.
They
have
different
sections
like
this,
but
when
I
read
through
them,
I
feel
like
some
parts
are
already
redundant,
but
I'm
not
sure
so
if,
if
pablo
from
the
legal
perspective,
if
you
can
help
us
review
some
statements
here,
if
there's
any
redundancy.
A
Yeah,
I
think
that's
it
and
then
for
where's,
the
other.
Let
me
find
my
other
questions.
A
I
think
partnership
is
okay,
well
done
the
protected
parties,
this
one
section,
eight
yeah
8.2,
though
we
already
mentioned
this
in
in
the
proposal-
fees-
that
the
gas
fee
is
not
refundable
or
reversible.
A
I
added
iso
into
this
subsection,
but
I
don't
know
what
protected
parties
mean
in
in
in
other
hypnosis.
I
think
I
got
this
from
gnosis.
I
don't
know
if
we
still
need
to
add
this
information
here.
G
A
A
Can
you
check?
Can
you
click
on
the
get
coins
terms
and
also
notices
down,
and
we
can
see
if,
because
I
didn't
take
all
the
sections
from
these
two
dials,
but
I
only
took
a
few
portions,
so
maybe
we
can
scroll
the
a
scroll
to
that
and
see
if
there's
any
section,
that
might
also
be
needed
in
our
own
terms.
A
Usually
it's
in
the
that
report.
Yeah
payment
restrictions
on
news,
warranty
disclaimer.
So
these
are
those
sections
that
I
skipped.
A
A
For
a
common
step,
that's.
C
A
A
Pablo,
you
will
add
the
text
here
right.
I'm
gonna
put
a
comment.
A
And
I
will
check
brief
what
will
be
the
process
for
our
registering
tec
in
alderney.
A
Okay
and
you
scroll
down
more
zip,
I
think
that's
it
and
then
for
okay
check,
gnosis
and
scroll
down.
A
That's
why
I
asked
decentralized
if
you
think
that
would
be
helpful,
but
I
don't
think
we
have
a
lot
of
the
out
of
words
that
need
to
be
defined
just
the
app
first.
Okay.
C
A
K
C
What
is
no
third
party
rights?
That's
interesting,.
A
I
think
bitcoin
also
has
this
section
and
it
looks
simpler
in
bitcoin
terms,.
C
A
Okay,
I'm
just
gonna,
add
those
sections
and
then
pablo
you'll
be
taking
care
of
the
international
users
section.
D
A
A
Yeah,
I
think,
that's
all
and
is
there
anything
else
that
we
need
to
cover
because
I'm
thinking
about
wrapping
the
call
earlier
so
we
can
prepare
for
the
ama
for
common
stuff,
nice,
so
yeah.
If
anyone
else
wants
to
erase
a
concern
or
has
some
additional
input.
A
Thanks
greg
and
yeah,
I
think
that's
all,
and
I
hope
everyone
gets
a
has
a
nice
weekend
thanks
everyone
for
joining.