Token Engineering Commons Parameters Working Group, 31 Aug 2021

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The Parameters Working Group deployed the dashboard for the Hatch and is now working on the dashboard for the Commons Upgrade. The goal is to get the community involved with as many technical decisions as possible to get a healthy TE Commons off the ground!

We gather every Tuesday at 5 pm CET.

Steward: Griff

00:00 - Intentions and distractions
04:39 - Blogpost
10:18 - Hack sesh on Vitor house tomorrow!!
11:08 - Types of voting and renaming
13:47 - Param Tweets
23:20 - ABC designs
46:53 - Conviction voting
52:00 - Closing thoughts

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A

uh For me, this is always just like kind of a sinkhole kind of little updates, and uh you know questioning blockers love to just get an overview of the design and probably the the back end and front end progress and see if there's anything that uh we want to make sure to assign and or change course on anything before it gets uh out of hand.

A

So that's kind of my my my main intention for this call is probably to just look at the designs for the bonding curve and and give some feedback and I'll pass to marco any intentions. Distractions. I have no distractions yeah.

B

Yeah same intentions as you uh look at the bonding curve, maybe clarify uh one comment that which you made yesterday uh and yeah: that's basically, it uh distractions, none support all good uh and I passed it over to mitch.

C

Yeah I'd love to see what those brazilians have been working on. um I haven't seen much action on the github repo, so I'd like love to see an update um and answer any questions like that marco might have, or anyone else um and I'll pass it to chewie.

D

Thanks mitch, um my intentions is to quickly check, um at least in the first part of the params campaign, uh just to make sure that everything is accurate and we're good to go and distractions.

D

um I have no distractions uh yeah, it's and I'll pass it to laura.

E

um Yeah, my intentions are just too uh just to sync up and also to um maybe get feedback like she was saying on the this, like params tweet thread, uh and uh my distraction is that I'm gonna make a smoothie and that my pipes are putting gross things in the water again, but I'll pass it to uh katie.

F

Hey everybody! Well it's great to be here, so my intentions are to catch up, but also to just make sure that my little write-up that I'll be doing later for the blog on the dashboard is good to go uh that I'm getting the right info for that and distractions. I'm okay! um There's a few children running around with no school at the moment, but I'm here and I'll pass to nick.

G

um My intention is to learn as much as I can about this working view um so that I may contribute in the future and also point people towards this working group when onboarding um distractions um thinking about a couple projects. While listening to the skull I passed, you receptively.

H

Thank you, nick yeah. My intentions is to keep in the loop. I know parameters is going super fast, so I absorb all the knowledge I can and yeah and distraction uh I mean I'm fasting after this call. It'll be 20 hours 24 hours fasting. So I really.

F

Want this smoothie from lauren.

H

G

H

I'll pass it to grip.

A

See, oh yeah, I guess that's everyone cool! Well, let's, let's start with the show and tell from the design marco do you do you want to show off the latest.

B

uh Just give me just one second, please sure.

A

If you, if you want, I can pass it to someone else too. If you need.

B

I don't know where's the words I just want to share my screen uh and then it's gonna be in about five seconds. Four three two and share your screen and going live.

A

All right cool come on figma, it's a beast of a figma file, though I understand.

A

Oh no, marco, I.

C

Think it, I think it crashed him.

A

Yeah sigma was.

C

A

The figma file is real, strong. Well, uh let's, let's go to katie's blog actually well, marco's coming up did sorry. Katie did you want to? You asked wanted to ask a question about the blog post. Oh.

F

I don't really have a question, but I figured that I was gonna include just a you know, a little section on the dashboard and um yeah. So actually, I'm kind of here as a something in particular. You wanted to tell me to share then I can do that like.

F

Include the link to the dashboard itself, but if there's anything in particular, you know sort of meaty to put in there. You can tell me what to put.

A

Yeah I mean, I think, that I I definitely think that the demo link and the issues and just say.

F

A

Have any issues you know check here uh and you know probably just like pushing people to proofread the learning section, uh the more eyes on.

F

That there's a lot of text.

A

There this is the more eyes on that, the better and, if there's anything they don't understand, maybe even make an issue if they don't understand something or or make a comment in the params discord. If they don't understand something that needs to be clear because it's a lot of you know the best we can do with that section is really get people who don't understand it, to read it and and tell us what they don't understand, because it's I mean we understand it. So what the hell do we know we suck at that.

C

Yeah, I just want to add that there's still a few components missing from the front end that would make the learning part complete like there's. It's missing, some of the buttons to be able to scroll through the the different sections easily, and it's missing, like the header component at the top to be able so I'd, maybe look at it griff and it might be missing a bit of polish, though, in my opinion, to get like that mass testing going.

C

Okay, we could maybe vtor's got got something else to say about that. But I just noticed that when I was running it on my machine or on the.

I

C

I

So I guess late, I was cooking and I lost track of time and yeah like regarding that. um The idea was like to launch it the like this version of the intro learning and the like token lock up and the tao voting like in a way that was functional. But there are a lot of like little things that are like front-end. I've been still working on so like.

I

There are a lot of things that like takes more time to polish, but then like prioritizing the other like functional parts but then like after they are like, are working. And then you like. The goal is to first like be able to create all the parameters, and once we can do this with all of them, then like we will focus on these like little things.

I

But I'm not we're aware of it and like working on it and like you have uh you have issues in which you can track as well like which ones are being attacked right now, like regarding these um polish in the different time, but you're required.

C

Yeah, I just wouldn't want like the whole process to get bogged down by a million issues you know of like missing tool, tips or broken links or whatever or stuff that should be fixed. But it's just like the front end team just hasn't gotten around to building them. Yet.

A

But the text is is like, as far as we're concerned polished right.

C

I think so I'm gonna look through that learn module again. I think the text is done but like there's some context, things like all the links and whatnot in there that you know people should be clicking if they don't understand stuff and tool tips. You know tooltips go like a long way for driving a lot of this stuff home. So it's so true.

I

um And uh just regarding the planning, as well like um we have like one or like we'll, have at the end like one or two weeks pair of uh planning, because we're pretty good in schedule so probably like when you have ev every functionality for all of them, then we'll go back and can do like a big review to like get sure that everything is perfect.

I

But like right now we're developing already like car components that take more time but then like after I have it to change and fix little things would be like quite fast.

A

So so maybe so I would just recommend people focus on the text. Warn them. You know of what vitor and mitch just said, there's a lot of bugs. We know it's there, but we're focusing on the core components and releasing this early, so you guys can play and have fun, but don't bother making issues about things that are broken.

A

Just tell us about the text and if there's something in the text there will be tool tips and it will be better, but if there's a sentence that doesn't make sense, typos or also just like you know, things that might need to be a tool tip. We might not know you know, so um I I do think the text is ready to be reviewed. Oh no, can you still hear me? Look everyone looks frozen, yeah.

C

No, we can hear you.

F

We're just captivated just staring straight.

C

C

um I don't know, while we're waiting for griff to come back. Do you have anything you want to show vitor.

I

Yeah, like I, don't have anything specific to show off like regarding the the front end, but what I can say is that uh tomorrow me pedram fabio will have another like crazy, full day, hack session in my house. So you can. You can expect nice things for tomorrow, especially regarding the conviction, voting section so yeah and and the output issue, but like mainly the conviction, voting so yeah, but other than that. I don't have like many big things to show off.

I

F

I do have a question. Actually you just reminded me uh about the change of the name, and there was some confusion about the dao or I don't know how you're pronouncing it like the tao dao. Is that disputable.

C

T tau voting tao is was disputable, voting disputable.

F

C

Disputable conviction voting, we just dropped the disputable. So now it's just simply conviction. Voting.

J

C

Had we had disputable conviction, voting and then disputable, voting yep.

B

Got it so disputable.

C

Conviction voting is just conviction, voting.

F

We just got rid.

C

Of the the disputable and.

F

Some confu, okay, so then the disputable voting is that you're calling it you're saying tau.

C

Yeah tower voting.

F

Okay, thank you because tao is you know in like chinese in religion, you know buddhism, it's dao, you say dao, so I didn't know if it was like.

C

F

C

That's just me mispronouncing. It then.

F

Oh, but it's the same thing same.

C

F

Yeah yeah, okay, wow, so wow, okay! uh Well, I won't hold anybody up, but I'd like to know why that name change happened. That's interesting! Yeah.

C

I'll screenshot the thread it was. It was a whole different thing because uh yeah anyway, we got there. That's the name.

F

But it's dao, it's the funny thing.

C

Yeah yeah, but then we say dao, it's like! Oh with a d. You know, I think.

E

It's funny, but it's also like applicable, because it's like the voting that would change the dao.

C

Yeah exactly yeah.

F

And it also represents like harmony. You know, it stands down, stands for harmony and going with the flow. In fact,.

C

E

This is why one of the reasons why we named it that.

C

Yeah yeah there's a lot of there's a lot of rejects and debate to get us there. But you know yeah.

D

uh So now that we're getting like some of this confusion out of the way uh so celeste would be working under uh conviction voting right or would you.

C

D

C

Yeah and we've been working uh with one hive, a lot to like sync up on these naming things. So you know we didn't just unilaterally decide as the tec to rename it, but it's gonna uh trickle over into one hive as well into their applications.

C

Thank you yeah, um and I guess if that answers your question katie, um maybe lauren did you have questions or chewie about this um tweets.

E

Yeah totally I mean maybe so there were okay. I need to open it actually. First do you have something all ready to start to, or I can take a minute.

D

Yeah, let me share my screen and we can start reviewing that. I don't want to take a lot of time, so, let's uh maybe like quickly go through part one, and this will help us uh kind of like get a a general sense of where we're going so uh we're gonna start with uh today. We're gonna be tweeting uh and putting out the uh what's new uh uh or what like what what goes uh after. The hatch and this uh campaign is gonna, be like our uh conclusion uh for it.

D

um So we're gonna call the uh the campaign uh params september uh and and it's uh it's gonna, be like one parameter uh per day uh with uh with a supporting graphic. So, as uh some of you have uh worked really really hard in helping us uh get this the right way. uh This is what we uh wanted to share. So the first one is gonna, be tau. Voting or dow voting uh is gonna. Go it's gonna go uh uh out uh tomorrow, and uh it goes like this.

D

It's uh after the comments upgrade dow voting, formerly disputable. Voting will be the voting process used to make changes to the governance and economic systems of the dao curious about its new voting mechanics, and this is like the link that we're adding uh and then we're gonna add like a second uh tweet as part of the thread that is gonna say uh keep reading over the next few days to learn about its parameters.

D

So, on thursday we're going to go with uh dao voting minimum forum, there was like pretty much like. No, no like doubt about these.

D

uh The only one that we had some uh concern about was uh this one: a quiet, ending period and quiet, uh ending extension uh ivy still had like some questions, so I just wanted to uh read that out loud and see if it makes sense uh for everyone here it's uh if the outcome of a vote changes from yes to no during the quiet ending period additional voting time, the quiet ending extension is added to the vote. Duration. This ensures that if a vote is continuous, uh there is enough time to get accurate voter input.

D

It also acts as a safeguard against last minute attempts to flip the boat. um Would everyone agree that this is like uh this is accurate and like this is like understandable for like approaches.

C

My I was just going to say maybe that one point enough time to get accurate, accurate voter input, like I would say, maybe to to maximize or something because they can't change their vote once they voted, but we're adding more time to allow more people to vote.

E

Maybe you could just change it to like sufficient.

A

I would say maximize I like maximize. I because really, the point is to allow people who hadn't voted to vote. So you could say enough time to maximize voter input, yeah or or even voter.

C

um Outreach anyway, that that's my only point there, um but then the rest of it looks pretty accurate.

D

Okay, perfect, and also, I think there was uh uh well yeah that uh I would say, like pretty much. Everything is pretty much ready for the uh for the first part of it. um I was like a little bit against like the dyk format, but I don't know if this uh like it just like felt right for for for some of these.

D

uh uh uh What what's what's your idea of of this, like do you think, like my concern, was uh to be like presenting more like reassuring information instead of like uh I, I just find the dyk format like a little bit uh like out there, but maybe it's just me. Maybe it's a language barrier. um uh Does everyone here think uh that it it works for both duration, delegated boring voting period.

C

I don't think for all them, like maybe it's a wording thing, but sometimes it seems like a bit of a stretch to add the do. You know.

D

C

I don't have any like specific opinion on it. No.

D

So maybe we could like get rid of that intro and just go straight to tec. Holders are allowed to vote on a proposal only within the set vote uh duration and get rid of this also. I guess.

C

D

C

More room for hashtags.

A

Great point: hashtag all over the place.

D

Okay, so uh so, as I said like I don't, I don't want to take like a lot of time of this meeting. So I wanted to try this out. uh Maybe for next week we can review part two which we still had some doubts about, uh but I think we're good to go for part one and also katie. This might be very useful uh for uh for the blog post.

D

uh However, we're uh uh let me look for just like a more efficient way because, as I said like we're, adding supporting graphics for each of these uh tweets so that people can go like go to the uh like to the media section on twitter and just like go straight to uh the graphics, with the explanation, but I'll I'll try to find a way in which, like it's just better organized and makes more sense in the in the blog post, so yeah thanks thanks. Everyone also for I.

C

Have all your help? I have one comment: chewie um just going by um some stuff. That griff was saying. Is that griff? You really wanted to? Let people know about like the token freeze and token thaw, um because that's something really important. They're gonna have to understand about the the dynamics of coming from the hatch, and so I'm wondering if that should come out before some of these other ones.

D

Okay, yeah: that's a that's a great point because.

C

Like we griff's big thing is that he wanted to get that that uh piece out first, so people were playing with and understanding that their tokens are going to be vested, so it would probably be more worthwhile to have that sooner in the month, rather than later,.

A

I yeah I mean that was especially true during the hatch. I was really trying to get it out during the hatch that concept, um because it's like important for them to know that they're not gonna, get liquid tokens for a while and they're putting money in right, but they also get to choose the price.

A

But um I don't I if I I wouldn't say to totally restructure everything I mean if it's easy, then sure, but if you're like still had some questions there and you just want to push forward, I'm not so worried about it. Right now,.

D

A

Guess it's actually.

D

Like I mean it doesn't strictly fall under uh augmented, bonding category right like it could no.

A

It's its own category.

D

Okay, so maybe we could go with uh dow voting first and then for the second day we can go with uh token free spoken talk.

D

A

Sure I'll make sure.

D

A

Are you doing all of these tweets in one day.

D

No, no, it's uh it's! It's like one parameter per day, like uh here's, the first one for september uh first and then this is like uh the second day was suggested for uh minimum quorum, but this is what we're gonna change like we're, gonna delay minimum quorum for a day and started with token freeze and token talk like what happens to your your tech tokens.

A

Cool that's cool. This is super. This is amazing who helped work on all on this. This is lauren.

D

Mitch and ivy were heroes with uh reviewing this. So a big phrase.

D

F

D

I guess uh I guess that's it uh for me and I'll pass it. Oh marco is here now, so maybe you can work it out, but uh yeah thanks.

A

Thank you, everybody and also sorry for breaking up on you guys, but vitor did you have any agenda topics for this call.

I

uh No yeah, I'm not sure if you were here yet that I was saying that, uh like we'll have the no. I was just like following up like the the next days of the dev team, like we're. uh We're gonna have other like day long hack session tomorrow, my house, so we'll do the conviction, voting and yeah. You can expect nice things at the end of the day tomorrow or like thursday because of different time zones, but yeah.

I

That's it so, probably like by the end of tomorrow, we'll have like a the first version of uh like often the directable convection volume section.

I

So we can add this to user testing as well, but knowing that there are a few things that need to be like that will still be improved by the different ending then yeah after that, like we can probably show this in the community call like for next uh thursday, and then we can focus on the abc for like big for next week and then the end we'll do the other. uh Like the other week.

I

We'll have the kind of like issue creation and, like that's dashboard uh sets page and then after that we can have like one or two weeks to like pass through everything again and get sure that everything is is awesome and that's it. I don't have many things to show off. I actually don't have anything specific to show off today, but tomorrow or thursday I'll have to that's. It.

A

Okay, cool, okay, cool and there's nothing that you need from anybody specifically while we're here that you want to discuss.

I

No, I think now I think it's good. I think the designs you didn't think like everything is set up. I think uh after we have it uh the convection volume up like I would need a lot of like user feedback and testing etc, but like for now, I think it's good to go.

A

Cool well then yeah, I guess uh we'll see we'll see if it's good to go marco. You want to show us that.

B

Yeah sure uh well, first, here I'm sharing the bonding curve uh screen where we added a couple of modifications uh and just before before we dive into the example that mitch uh did down below I'm going to share that as well just to clarify mitch, when I was adding these uh like green and red uh like hover states, um I just quickly pasted them. It was.

B

uh You know, during the call that I had with griff, and it was just like a first iteration and it wasn't meant to be the like the real thing uh that reflects the like when you hover over it. It also shows a table row and stuff like that, so just wanted to clarify that, uh and and and thanks a lot for actually doing that revision so down below here mitch, actually did that. So here we got like when user hovers over either a row or one uh one area uh on the chart.

B

It shows like either green if if it was a bi uh or red, if it was a cell, so in this case uh we could also, as umich pointed out, we could probably have like two sections here also highlighted at the same time, and if.

C

B

C

The prototype it all works.

B

C

Yeah, if you just run it from the top one there so abc4.

B

I

B

Is you see the yeah, but.

B

Okay, I need to get here first, I'm not sure how I'm gonna get here, but let's see.

C

If you just highlight it, usually it it'll run the prototype from the frame you selected.

B

I did, um let's see: okay.

C

Everything's yeah everything's, so the problem with the hover that I was gonna comment right away is because you can have two interactions in the same space on the curve. Hovering might not work intuitively.

C

You would have to actually like you can't just hover over a space of the curve, because you could have multiple transactions in that same space.

A

You would have to you could have pop-ups.

C

Yeah, because you can see, for example, like between the second and the third step, if you click on the rows in the table,.

C

And then the third one actually takes up the same space.

C

You know so, if you hovered over that space there, you would have actually two transactions that are taking place at different times.

B

Yeah, I got it well what we could do like. We could add these like on click here and show more information. What happens on each of these.

C

Well right now, all you have to do is hover. If you have yeah.

B

Right now, yeah you added this. uh Initially we had this one where you click on it and there should be like x, icon to close it, but now you can hover it. So basically what but I could also hover over like this area. It will turn- I guess, green as well like this.

B

So if I hover over this area it will it will then, but.

C

Like, for example, marco, if you hovered over the right portion of the green there in between that one, that technically that same space, there has two different things happening. There's a buy part of a big buy, and there's also part of that that third step, that the cell is happening in the same space so which one shows up. You know.

B

uh Yeah this one is not correct here. uh Well, I guess both do. We show both.

C

Like what's the intent.

B

Because uh but yeah we can't yeah yeah yeah. I know what you mean.

C

C

I don't know if anyone else has any ideas or if this makes sense or.

A

I mean all I can say is I love the integral like projection there. This is really nice. I just love that there's something that always bugs me is that it says zero on some of these on the x-axis uh in the corner. This really gets me because I should say like 400, others there's another zero. uh If you go back a couple steps, oh and one of the old frames, yeah yeah.

C

A

Let's do that zero that should be like 400k or something yeah.

D

A

And then I wonder if we should show that other part of the curve or not- maybe not it's nice- to have it broken, but maybe have like a maybe have a little space there. So it's not right on the x-axis, so you have the dotted line uh still like it's a like everything else, but as far as like yeah I mean I, I the way that the the flow is right now that mitch made it is, is the right flow?

A

How you deal with the hovers and stuff I I'm open to having both show up or having um yeah.

C

But if there's.

A

Like if you have three steps.

C

You know like if you had to buy a sell, a buy in a cell. You know, then you could have. You know up to three or four in the same space and then which tooltip shows up. You know.

A

I mean, maybe maybe we force people to have to like click through it. You know, have multiple ways of either selecting the row or there being a very obvious arrow. That shows the steps or maybe a walking path right, yeah.

C

A

Step two: three: there yeah there.

C

A

Some sort of one something to make sure that they know their hopping steps.

C

I think just a way making it obvious that they need to click on the rose.

C

That's the the main thing I find it's not obvious that you need to click on them.

B

Well, the well initially you you, like you shouldn't be able to click on them. It's an interaction we added later on.

C

Yeah, just because, like you can hover on them, but like it wouldn't save state. When you hover.

B

Yeah, and also uh well, if you, if you hover over an area above or click on a buy or sell like initially it was, it was like that, like when you click on one of these. It will highlight the row. It wasn't intended to to click on a row that does something but just highlights the areas right.

D

A

B

A

The problem is, the dot is not the role the dot is the line. The the row is the line between two dots. The dot is just the dot is actually two of the rows.

C

Yeah, so the actual step is the space in between the dots.

B

A

Because the the the transaction takes you from one dot to the next, so you're talking about a transaction where there's a first price and a second price and then yeah from that second price. You have the next transaction and so that that bot is the first transaction and is the first price of a transaction and the last price of a transaction. So it's like.

B

Mounting a mount out, I got it yeah and then later on, uh meet you out of this interaction where you click on a row, uh and it does something I would still focus on actual clicking on something on the chart here on.

C

Those, if you can.

B

Highlighting the row.

C

Yeah, if you could think of a smarter way like I couldn't figure it out in the prototype, because as soon as you hover away from the row, it would reset to the to the old frame. So, if there's a way that they could hover. Oh.

B

Yeah yeah over.

C

A row don't worry.

B

No, no yeah, so that's the limitation of figma. We could probably spend um more time on that to kind of recreate those interactions in in in figma, uh but we're probably going to end up with a bunch of screens duplicated just to illustrate it. It's going to be super complex and then, if we want to change something just a little bit, it's then all over again changing on all the screens. Now imagine for just to want that interaction. We're probably going to have you know double these amount of screens.

B

I can look into it. I can maybe spend a little bit more time to kind of have this hover effect here, uh but it's kind of going to be hard, hard, hard-coded kind of way. You know um and yeah, but I'll see what I can do here. It's just.

F

A little bit tricky.

B

A

Just to clarify.

B

Yeah just to clarify so so in the intention of the prototype is to really uh best possible like how this is going to be working, but we also are telling users who are testing this, that you know this is a static uh design and it does not like 100 work. It doesn't work like you know, coded version so like they should expect those things, um but not everything is actually working. um So yeah like we can't really um have this like one one on as as a as a live website.

B

C

Yeah I just the main thing just to say is that having a hover state on the graph itself won't work, because we can have multiple steps happening in the same part,.

B

Yeah and how? How can we have like this uh here, why? Why isn't this bi over here this uh cell over here.

A

Because it's because the cell.

B

Brings it down.

A

The chart yeah.

B

A

Chart is the price right and the price is up so number go up uh on the y-axis, but when you sell numbers go down on the y-axis, so, like you end up moving back down the line yeah, so you have this overlap.

C

Because when people sell the the reserve, balance goes down, but so does the price. So it's actually moving backwards along the curve that we've defined.

A

I don't think anyone's going to sell tec tokens ever but in case we might. We want to visualize it just for fun.

J

Anyone else yeah.

B

J

I wonder if you could, um instead of that hover effect, underneath the line you could just change the color of the section of the line so for the section with the both binds I'll just have two lines on top of each other in different colors and at the same time, every time someone hovers over that part of the graph.

J

It highlights the part of the table as well and both are interactable if that makes sense so where there's buy and sell the the line between the two dots will just there's going to be two lines: um red and green. And then, if someone clicks on that, it um number two and three lights up and then you can make number two and three light up by hovering over that line or that area of the graph. But you could also just click on the table and it um makes the lines show between the two dots there.

B

You mean, like.

J

The actual the neon yellow line, that's going to be replaced by like color by the red and green, so.

B

Like what do we have here? Something which you did something over here with the greenish thing here.

J

Yeah yeah, so when that's when that's hovered over step, one is also highlighted and both are both can be interacted with. If that makes sense, so you'll just have two two lines.

C

Yeah I had another idea where we just had the just like you're saying nick, but then having like the green line over top and then a red line underneath. But it's still uh like what, if they overlap, and how do we accurately show the actual distance that it's moving on the curve.

J

Well, I don't mean like next to each other like what's on the screen. Right now I mean like the the red would be underneath the green and then.

A

J

Have um it can be like arrow? There can be arrows to show like direction, maybe as well.

C

Yeah yeah I had there was some stuff like that, and then pedro had some concerns. If that was technically possible with like the the packages that they were trying to work with.

A

um Yeah yeah, that's the blocker is the is the libraries that we're using don't necessarily allow us just put lines anywhere on the graph, it's much easier to fill a space under the graph. Just with the front end code, yeah.

C

But one thing that made me think of while you were talking about that there was marco, had something there with vertical uh sorry, horizontal lines that would actually like cut them up so, like maybe you had any steps that were overlapping like showed up horizontally underneath or over top.

B

C

Yeah like that or something if there's a step, that's taking up the same space.

B

Yeah, I'm not sure about it, yet just need to think about it.

J

B

Confuse people.

J

When it's time for coding and have the other line invisible, except for when you hover over steps with the overlap.

H

What about a brown like you know like it's green, but then, when it goes back, it's brown would that be too bad.

B

Yeah I mean for buy it's green for sale, it's red and then there's no any other color. I guess.

H

B

At least it's like.

H

Going back, if you put green into red, the color should be something like brown.

C

C

Yeah, um but the problem is that we shouldn't have them overlapping, like they should be clearly distinguishable right so and especially like for hovering. If we want to get the tooltips like, we can't be showing to, we shouldn't be showing two at once right, because then it'll just like get overwhelming.

H

C

um I I I'm sold on my thing of having, like the rose being interactable and like yeah,.

B

So yeah yeah! So if, if the rose uh okay rose, we needed a table, we need to show that in the table rows uh roads do not maybe specifically need to be interactable in that way, but we could maybe have a selector well actually yeah they could, they could be, they could be applicable.

A

I I I like the rose clickable, but I also agree with marco that it's nice to have some people clicking on the chart. I mean what, if we just had every time there was a step. There was a big one, a big two, a big three, a big four big five and they can just click in that just pops up over it and that also acts as a way to select the rows. So.

C

Have something seven way to select the steps having numbers corresponding to the step like kind of hover over where they are in the curve.

A

Yeah or even not even over the curve, just for every step, you know it's like, maybe it's in between, maybe it's on the chart below the below the line, or maybe it's in between the chart and the graphs. But it's like very big one. Two three four.

F

Five, you could have maybe.

A

Step five, maybe step four takes you away over here, but step five takes you way over here. You know, but it's still in a chronological yeah you.

C

Could have the same thing they're talking about like you could have like the the numbers go over over top if they're, by and below, if they're sell, and they would be like roughly in the middle of where the transaction takes place, and you just click on the number, and it shows the.

A

I I think, I think, showing people the chronological step, the steps like. Oh first, this happens. Second, that happened. Third, that happened. I mean you could bring them back. I don't know it could happen. It seems like the numbers will just conflict with each other, though you know.

B

A

A

I you know, I feel like just letting people walk through the steps.

A

And then we can get the pop-up still because I really think that box. That shows people price in price out, and that is like really important.

C

All right looks like marco's doing some wizardry.

B

C

See where you're going, I think it's a good idea.

B

Yeah we could have something like this.

C

And then they could like use their arrow keys or click on it whatever, and it would just take them through yeah.

A

They just see: okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay and then they experience the bonding curve.

C

Assuming yeah yeah, so they have a max of six and then only three would show up and as they add more, it would have to add more numbers to a max bow.

C

A

Is that what we have for the adding steps? So there's a max of six.

C

So there's three from the market scenario and then they can add a maximum of three more cool, perfect.

B

Yeah, it's something maybe like this.

C

Yeah, I get it. That's cool.

B

um Yeah one two three and then maybe there will be something like four here uh and also uh we need to yeah. They can add three more like an example here, so basically they can add three more steps and as soon as they add the step, we should have space.

I

B

That so we can then five.

A

And so, when you design four and five, it's going to start on the left of the red box there, because that's where they're at is that let that third dot on the line, and so then you know the buy, might be completely internal to this red bar, for instance,.

B

Yeah, these steps does not do not have to be like. uh You know, positioned below each of these areas. Yeah.

A

B

You could just be.

A

B

Yeah uh they could just be steps.

A

uh I just I just remember when you're, when you're drawing it like, you know it might be good to show the them that, like it actually doesn't, have to go past the by it can even go within this red line for the next dot you know and and that will also be a good explainer to the devs for like how to design this. That's like there's a there's, a red one, that's completely within a green one, which is and then there's a green one completely within a red box. You know.

B

All right, oops yeah- maybe we can do something like this.

B

um Oh my god, what's.

G

Happening: okay,.

A

Is there any other um aspects of the design that we might want to cover.

C

I noticed marco added in the functionality on the prototype for the conviction, growth, and I think we talked about it on sunday. It looks pretty good.

C

I don't know, apart from that, I think it's looking all right.

A

Oh yeah that looks great.

B

Yeah and then the table will be here and this shouldn't be fixed because this one's quite tall or high.

A

Do you want to show off? Do you want to show off conviction, voting really quick? We have several.

B

Yeah hold on a second uh conviction voting, so uh the conviction growth this one. I made sure you think of this one or yeah this one.

C

Yeah, I think I might have shut it off on sunday, but if you want to go ahead.

B

uh Did we already review this or.

A

Well, I don't think nick or suga or tonga or.

F

A

D

B

A

D

B

All right, so this is me, is there a prototype hold on a second requesting funds? Oh there.

F

B

Cool uh so yeah. Basically what can we click on here? Oh, we can click on uh minimum conviction yeah, but this one is missing. The this one is missing. Oh it's not it's here, cool conviction, growth. So basically you can uh preview this uh chart here. You can, uh you have a slider uh and then you can adjust it so, instead of like having two uh charts here, um we kind of put it in a model uh and then like on this one.

B

You can adjust the time frame for this chart here uh and below below. We have the standard table that we show on all no other modules, but let me check one more thing here. I think this one is missing.

B

From this page here.

B

B

Here there you go.

A

Yeah, I'm excited to see how this works on the on the actual app, because it'll be cool to see like changing this graph. Changing these variables and seeing this graph change it'll be really interesting to see how much it changes.

C

And griff you threw in a new table there with like the different scenarios. Does that need to be fine-tuned or how much thought did you go into it?.

A

I think I put some thought into it. Let me see um because you.

C

Just pasted it and you're like it should be like this, and then I just kind of just went okay.

A

Crystal mount mountain coloring.

C

Yeah and then should that last change, depending on the time frame like this one I want to use for that exact chart. I want to use for when people are submitting github issues.

A

Yeah, I think it yeah. I think it should change based off of the time frame, so tokens need to pass in one week instead of two weeks when seven days is selected, but two weeks is going to be the standard for the github issue template, I think so. I think it's a good standard.

C

Okay, so I guess we need to tell the developers that.

B

A

B

A

That scenario, one should be 100k for a mountain common pool.

C

Okay, well, just uh if you want to leave some comments grip, I can.

A

Yeah, I can leave a comment.

A

It would definitely be good to get user feedback on if this, if this um table makes much sense because it might, it might be a little dense.

A

C

Michael I'm cringing at that highlight it hi.

C

Is that norwegian.

B

No yeah that doesn't matter, I will know what it is.

C

Sorry, it's cool.

B

Try typing creation.

C

B

Should I type in in creation here yeah.

C

It's cool. I got. Google translate.

C

Oh no look at that just trolling.

B

All right, so I need to add just these notes.

I

B

And then- and then this is over here.

A

Okay, well, I you know there's only five minutes left. I want to give a spank for everyone to just give closing thoughts on the design overview. um I I thought it looked really nice. I really hope that I can find time to make some comments in this conviction. Voting uh stuff, maybe in some of the soft gov and comms, calls today I'll be able to kind of hack in it, uh and but it looks really good like I.

A

I can't I guess it's basically done and all we need now is that last, even the last summary page is done right. Is there.

B

Yeah yeah it's here.

A

Yeah so, like all the pieces, are there it's just about commenting and tweaking right, so yeah, that's.

B

A

Cool we showed the.

B

Autographs here once again, you can submit your proposal. Prior to that you can also do the advanced settings. We kind of give you a warning, like you know, you're going to be doing some changes, but you should do them only if you absolutely know what you're doing so. Please don't, if you don't know, and then you know summary here with just basic inputs, you can without any graphs anything visually represented, just the numbers.

B

You want to double check, one more time. You give your submission a title. uh You know describe your strategy, you can submit.

F

B

Photo so yeah, that's basically everything here, except making changes to the bonding curve, and I think that's it. Yeah yeah.

A

It looks beautiful I'll pass it to nick for final thoughts.

A

Sorry, nick put you on the spot.

J

Yeah, it looks cool. It was cool to see also how marco works just like seeing how other designers work in general um I'll have to like look at every single screen. I guess in detail to give actual any like valuable feedback other than what I've already said. Sorry.

B

Thanks a lot for the.

A

B

And suggestions.

A

Yeah I'll pass it to bradley and bradley feel free to pass it on.

K

All right, um I'm mostly here for context, uh looks really cool um marco. I love your uh warning. Icon, never seen that exactly, but it's awesome and I'll pass it to chewie.

D

It's bradley um my connection got pretty bad like halfway through the call, so I I I miss some of this stuff but yeah. It's just an incredible amount of work and uh just the attention that that goes into detail really really shows off. So uh congratulations, marco and and to the whole team. It's yeah! It's it's! A beautiful work, uh I'll pass it to septic.

H

Thanks stewie yeah. I think that the designs are like super cool. I I'm bad giving feedback on the designs, because I'm very bad. You know, like I watched the kid on the school, all one caller you know, but I feel like as an user. uh When you see it, it's it's good and I what I really like about this, like the I I it's a feeling, but I feel like uh with all these forum posts and and dashboard.

H

I feel it's going to be very easy to learn the process and propose and yeah another goal, uh but I feel you guys are doing it so yeah, congratulations and I'll pass it to lauren.

E

Yeah, I think it's looking really good. I think it's super exciting that we're getting really close to being done with all of this and yeah just looking forward to the next couple of weeks of like incorporating the rest of the feedback, um I'll pass it to katie.

F

Thanks yeah: well I echo what everybody's saying it's: uh it's amazing, it's! Oh, it's very impressive and I wanna I'm gonna, give it a go play around with it and get some feedback going. So thanks a lot for all your hard work. uh Where am I going with this back to griff.

A

Yeah, oh chewie, so he's gone mitch. Did you have anything yeah? No I've talked enough during this call, so I'll give it back to you griff perfect. Well, thank you, guys great call uh and really fun again, favorite call of the week. This is the best uh so and we'll see you guys, there's soft, gov and comms coming up so see you guys there.