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From YouTube: W2 Parameters WG: Dandelion parameters
Description
Timecodes:
00:00 - Intentions and distractions
04:00 - Griff names the parameters
05:52 - Dandelion instances
07:16 - Griff gives background of the dandelion voting
10:10 - Permissions
11:00 - How many parameters do we want?
14:19 - Support required
19:00 - Min Quorum
27:13 - Vote duration
36:37 - Vote proposal buffer
43:26 - Vote execution delay
47:55 - Tollgate Fee
53:40 - Closing
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C
Good
morning
afternoon
and
evening,
yeah
intentions
hammer
this
out
best.
We
can
hopefully
get
a
lot
of
worthwhile
discussion
and
move
forward
because
I'd
really
like
to
see
us
get
down
to
actual
conviction
voting
the
other
parameters
for
that.
So
we
can
get
forward
posts
and
move
right
along
distractions.
C
E
G
G
E
A
E
E
A
Yeah
yeah,
let
me
let
me
give
some
background
so
dandelion
voting
is
an
application
in
our
doubt.
So
our
dow
is
a
bunch
of
token
holders
right
humans,
humans
make
up
a
doubt,
isn't
that
crazy
humans
make
up
a
doubt,
and
these
humans
hold
tokens,
and
these
tokens
give
them
authority
in
the
interactions
of
the
shared
resources
that
the
dow
holds.
A
Now
those
shared
resources
are
generally
in
a
vault
somewhere
and
there's
a
lot
of
different
permissions
that
get
to
and
roles
that
get
to
change
things
right,
for
instance,
the
parameter
for
let's
say
the
exit
tribute.
You
know
how
high
should
the
exit
tribute
be?
Maybe
we
set
it
at
five
percent
and
then
we
want
to
say
actually
we
need
it
to
be
20
right.
A
There
will
be
a
role
that
says
this
role
can
change
that
parameter
and
that
role
will
be
controlled
by
a
dandelion
voting
instance,
and
so
this
dandelion
voting
instance
will
have
its
own
support
required.
They'll
have
its
own
quorum
and
it'll
have
its
own
vote.
Duration
they'll
have
its
own
every
every
like
this
is
the
voting
requirements
really
a
dandelion
voting
app.
You
could
say
is
like
this
is
the
requirements
of
of
consensus
that
are
required
for
a
yes
vote
to
be
valid
right
and,
and
so
we
can
have
multiple
requirements
for
different
parameters.
A
The
one
that
sem
is
talking
about.
That's
that's,
probably
really
crazy
is
like
hey,
let's
upgrade
from,
let's
upgrade
the
conviction,
voting
app.
Let's
totally
change
the
smart
contracts
that
are
governing
how
we
spend
funds,
that's
important
or
or
yeah
migrate,
upgrade
this
app.
Those
are
pretty
critical
things
and
that
shouldn't
that
should
have
probably
a
high
support
required
and
maybe
a
high
quorum,
whereas
maybe
changing
the
exit
tribute.
A
You
know,
that's
not
as
wild
you
know.
Maybe
it
can
have
a
lower
point,
and
maybe
it
has
a
higher
support
card.
Who
knows,
I
don't
know
like?
Maybe
it
has
a
higher
vote,
duration
or
a
lower
vote
duration,
and
the
real
question
is
and
and
the
question
that
we're
posing
here
is
how
many
different
options
do
we
want.
You
know
like
you
have
to
worry
about
like
we.
A
E
I'm
I'm
not
sure,
but
the
permissions
are
not
all
changing
things
there
are
permissions
in
order
to,
for
example,
buy
on
that
on
the
bonding
course,
which
will
be
available
for
anyone
can
buy
in
the
in
the
money
course.
So
it's
it's
not
that
much
I
mean
at
the
end.
The
change
permissions
is,
is
the
thing
that
we
should
be
able
to
go
and,
as
I
was
saying
it,
it
was.
It
is
like
permissions
and
sensing
or
migrating
the
data.
C
Well,
anyway,
so
I'm
going
to
jump
in
here,
but
you
got
about
five
minutes
already
over
on
that,
but
you
know
just
the
prioritizing.
What
do
we
want
out
of
this?
You
know
how
many
parameters
and
what
not
going
forward
I
mean
how
complicated
do
we
want
to
make
this
concentrating
perhaps
on
just
a
couple
of
the
steps
as
of
right
now
to
really
get
something
hammered
out,
so
we
have
something
to
further
dive
into.
C
Just
with
that
I
mean
we
don't
want
to
turn
the
forum
into
like
20
different,
deep
dives,
just
on
support
required
and
minimal
porn,
because
we
could
you
know
we
don't
want
to
do
that,
but
I
do
want
to
encourage
people
to
like
focus
on
these
few
things.
We've
brought
up
and
then
concentrate
on
that
in
the
form.
So
we
have
some
discussion
moving
ahead
to
better
set
parameters.
Moving
forward,
then,
with
that,
let's,
because
these
things
tie
in
together,
we
could
get
right
into
voting
duration
again
because
of
the
necessity.
J
C
C
C
I
Also,
to
pay
really
a
lot
of
attention
to
how
we
how
each
instance
is
going
to
be
used,
because
it
shouldn't
be
allowed
to
to
pick
up
the
time
of
the
of
the
vote
which
we
are
going
to
use.
It
is
what
you
were
talking
grief.
I
think
that
to
say
which
permissions
each
instance
yes
gets,
because
choosing
at
the
time
of
making
the
vote
is,
can
be
very
convenient
for
for
the
one
who
makes
the
vote.
A
So
it's
going
to
be
wild,
but
yeah
like
like
jake,
said
we
got
to
move
on
sam.
Do
you
want
to
pick
the
next
one?
No,
okay,
let's
just
go
from
the
top,
then
support
required
can
probably
be
pretty
fast.
Does
anyone
want
to
present?
Oh,
I
guess
I
did
the
blog
post,
so
support
required
super
quick.
It's
super
easy.
How
many
people
that
vote
need
to
vote?
Yes
for
something
to
pass.
A
So
what's
interesting
here
is,
you
know,
usually
people
just
think
oh
50
success
rate,
but
honestly,
do
we
really
want
half
the
people
disagreeing
with
some
of
the
you
know
our
decisions,
that's
a
little
while
and
what
I've
seen
from
a
lot
of
dow
votes.
Is
that
a
lot
of
times
it's
like
99,
everyone
just
agrees.
Some
of
them
are
just
like.
We
need
to
do
it.
So
the
the
real
question
is
you
know
what
do
we?
A
What
are
contentious
issues
that
you
know
we
can
have
differences
within
our
community
and
agree
to
go
forward
with
a
difference
of
opinion.
Even
if
you
know
a
certain
percentage
of
people
say
this
is
a
bad
idea
or
it
shouldn't
happen
and
then,
which
ones
do
we
want
to
have
like
really
high
barriers
where
the
people
of
the
people
who
vote
like
over
80
percent
need
to
say
yes,
and
I
think
we
should
be
open
to
some
of
these
high
things.
Does
anyone
have
any
thoughts
on
support
required.
C
C
Of
that
will
just
kind
of
play
itself
out,
as
it
comes
up,
we're
gonna
know
looking
at
proposals,
especially
as
we
get
into
this.
We
can
actually
then
start
having
kind
of
an
average
parameters.
We'll
understand
what
does
this
big
one,
and
what
does
this
little
one?
You
know
kind
of
work
from
there.
G
Yeah,
no
I'd
be
super
interested
actually
to
so
to
understand
this
from,
like
an
academic
point
of
view,
honestly,
because
what
you're
saying
is
true,
you
know
if
it's
at
50,
then
you
know
it's
really
tight.
I
guess
you
know
50
of
the
community
disagrees,
but
also,
if
it's
too
high,
you
know
and
60
of
the
community
feels
like
they
didn't.
I
don't
know,
there's
some
balance
there
actually
to
strike.
If,
if
the
majority
you
know
being
more
than
50
percent
want
something
and
they
don't
get
it
there's
actually
some
disadvantages
there
as
well.
C
Actually,
in
the
post
for
support
required
in
a
reply,
griff
got
a
great
response
from
oh
sorry
hold
on
a
second
phil
phil
h.
I
don't
know
you
know,
but
he
brought
up
a
great
point
about
you
know
if
you
have
a
higher
support
required
and
then
the
trading
off
the
majority
of
ordinary
decisions.
If
you
can
go
to
that
post
and
look
at
his
response,
it's
fantastic
and
then
the
approach
to
a
super
majority
is
to
do
smaller
stakeholder
groups
and
then
let
them
hash
that
out.
C
It's
actually
a
really
great
response
to
what
potentially
could
you
know
work
really
well,
given
the
fact
of
what
it's
like,
having
a
60
to
an
80
turnout,
you
know
versus,
like
griff
said,
with
the
51
and
49,
which
is
just
you
know,
a
rule
of
majority
and
then
everybody
half
the
groups
out.
You
know.
So,
if
you
have
it
broke
down
into
smaller
groups
that
make
up
a
larger
group,
more
people
are
represented,
and
then
you
would
have
a
longer
duration,
perhaps
and
they'll
actually
see
how
it
works
out.
A
My
two
cents
yeah
really
really
interesting,
post,
oh
phil's,
a
great
guy.
We
should
give
him.
We
should
give
him
praise
for
that.
Well,
let's
move
on
to
quorum
because
I
feel
like
quorum
is
actually
more
important
than
support
required,
like
support
required
just
says
of
the
people
who
voted.
How
many
voted
yes
and
that's
how
many
need
to
be
voting
yes
to
actually
pass
something,
but
quorum
says
how
many
people
should
vote
and
in
in
daos.
A
Voter
apathy
is
a
real
thing
like
hardcore,
so
quorum's
like
a
really
interesting
discussion,
because
at
some
point
we
do
want
things
to
pass
and
I
think
quorum
is
you
know
there?
There
are
some
things
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
change,
and
you
know-
and
if
we
have
too
high
our
core,
then
we
end
up
with
a
lot
of
people
with
a
lot
of
tokens
that
don't
vote
then
we'll
have
a
problem.
A
We
won't
be
able
to
change
anything,
but
if
we
have
too
low
of
a
quorum
then
we
have
people
who,
like,
maybe
just
a
small
group
of
people,
could
pass
a
proposal
relatively
that
under
the
under
the
guise
where
no
one's
paying
attention.
So
it's
quite
the
balance.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
about
what
form
means?
Maybe
it's
not
fully
defined
or
or
any
thoughts
about
form.
F
I
think
we
definitely
have
to
have
more
than
one
forum
for
different
things.
I
don't
know
if
two
or
three,
but
one
just
one
instance
of
quorum,
doesn't
I
don't
think
it's
it's
correct.
There's
decisions
that
can
be
moved
forward
with
the
low
column,
but
there's
others
that
are
going
to
need
a
bigger
amount
of
chord.
A
J
A
J
A
C
J
A
No,
this
is
actually
conviction.
Voting
has
its
own
very
unique
thing.
This
is
the
dandelion
voting,
so
this
is
voting
for
changing
parameters
like
oh.
We
want
to
change
the
exit
tribute
to
be
10
20
or
we
want
to
upgrade
our
smart
contract
or,
oh,
my
god.
This
person
lost
their
keys
and
their
valuable
member.
We
want
to
mint
them
new
tokens
and
burn
their
old
tokens
at
a
new
address
right.
The
dow
could
actually
do
that.
So
we
have
to
really
consider
a
lot
of
random
possibilities
that
are
not
funding
related.
I
Yeah,
I
will
be
interested
at
some
point
to
know
how
is
the
process,
if
that
happens,
how
the
dao
that's
that.
But
this
is
not
for
this
stock,
I
guess
and
if
I
would
say
a
random
record
number,
I
would
say
25
25
yeah
for
most
decisions,
not,
I
think,
as
something
said.
Maybe
it's
better
to
have
two,
at
least
but
for
most
decisions.
Yeah
24.
E
I
haven't
seen
there
is
an
important
thing
that
I
have
been
reviewing
in
the
in
the
contract
of
dandelion
boating
and
quorum
is
only
yes
about
over
the
total
supply.
So
if
you
vote
no
that
doesn't
count
into
the
quorum.
The
the
forum
is
the
yes
vote
for
dandelion
buddy
yeah.
I
I
don't
know
who
I
want.
That's
a
nice
upgrade.
A
C
A
Yeah
vote
duration.
I
mean
these
are
the
main
three
right:
how
much
how
many
yes,
votes
are
required,
how
many
people
are
required
to
vote
and
well
like
what
percentage
of
totals
the
token
we
keep
saying
people,
but
we
got
to
remember
this.
Is
hypocrisy
for
the
wing?
Okay,
we're
we're
all
on
we're
all
in
in
like
it
is
what
it
is.
It's
and
it's
not
quite
is
plutocracy,
but
at
the
same
time
we're
stacking
the
deck
with
altruistic
people
up
front.
So
the
next
one
is
vote.
A
People
who
want
to
have
an
opinion
and
express
their
opinion
become
quiet,
and
it's
not
preferable.
It's
much
better
to
have
it.
The
way
that
sam
just
mentioned,
where
no
votes
are
don't
count
in
any
positive
direction
for
the
proposal.
If
you
vote,
you
don't
want
to
vote
no
and
have
that
help
the
proposal
that
shouldn't
be
a
situation.
J
A
Yes,
exactly,
which
is
great
nice
upgrade
I'll,
probably
give
it
the
give
it
to
luke
on
that.
One
luke
is
really
good
at
this
stuff,
but
vote
duration,
so
vote
duration.
How
much
time
are
votes
open,
so
vote
duration
is
an
interesting
one,
because
the
vote
duration
is
always
the
maximum
amount
of
time
people
have
to
vote.
A
E
E
A
E
A
Is
that
generally
with
dandelion
voting,
everyone
is
highly
incentivized
to
vote
at
the
last,
because
when
you
vote
yes,
your
tokens
are
locked,
which
means
you
cannot
exchange
them
in
the
bonding
curve.
So
when
you
vote
yes
and
daniel,
I
am
voting
for
anything
you're
stuck.
You
can.
Can
you
vote
yes
on
other
danny
votes?
Yes,.
E
E
F
A
C
A
F
F
Going
to
be
between
three
three
days
and
one
week,
because
someone
may
be
engaged
in
some
tasks
in
real
life
and
he
may
be
engaged
for
for
a
couple
three
days
four
days.
So
if
we
get
one
weekend,
he
might
be
able
to.
You
know,
take
the
time
to
go
over
whatever
is
being
decided,
read
about
it
and
and
finally
both,
but
that
that
should
be
the
top.
From
my
personal
opinion,
more
than
seven
days
is
already
too
much.
C
J
Yeah
consistency
sounds
good
to
me
and
three
days
to
one
week
also
sounds
great.
It
covers
the
weekend,
so
someone
puts
something
on
friday,
it's
still
available
on
monday
and
the
week.
I
think,
that's
completely
fair.
If
someone
can't
make
it
to
a
vote
over
the
course
of
a
whole
week.
Well,
that's
fine.
They
missed
that
vote,
there's
the
whole
rest
of
the
community.
So
I
think
that's
sounds
good
to
me.
J
C
E
Okay,
it's
also
a
double.
It
can
also
be
a
problem
because
if
you
have
a
book,
for
example,
in
the
smart
contract-
and
you
want
to
change
that-
it
also
takes
one
week
or
or
two
or
whatever-
and
I
think
that
there
is
no
way
to
fix
that.
I
mean
we.
We
still
need
long
times
in
order
to
change
big
things
like
smart
contracts,
but
for
the
people.
Who
knows
that
there
is
that
this
book
having
to
wait
one
month
in
order
to
upgrade
the
small
contract.
It's
like
a
lot.
E
For
example,
we
have
something
like
this
in
in
one
hive
and
the
combination
boating
was
frozen
because
there
was
a
misconfiguration
during
one
week
and
a
half
or
something
like
that.
Maybe
I
don't
know
how
much
it
was,
but
it
was
like
a
lot
a
lot
of
time,
and
this
is
because
of
the
competition.
The
dandelion
voting
was
configured
with
long
like
one
week
or
so.
E
It
takes
time,
the
time,
duration,
the
duration
of
the
vote
and
also
the
execution
delay.
It
adds
up
and
it's
time
that
the
attacker
has
to
to
see.
If
it
can,
we
hopefully
will
have
a
switch,
a
kill,
switch
in
order
to
stop
anything.
But
it's.
If
imagine
that
that
there
is
a
book
in
the
lao
and
we
kind
of
froze
it
out
during
the
a
certain
amount
of
time
before
the
the
people
decides
to
upgrade
it
or
fix
the
book.
But
that
time
is
time
that
the
dow
is
closer.
A
Yeah,
no
that's
a
very
valid
point
and
that-
and
it
also
touched
on
something-
that's
enough
like
a
dandelion
dow
will
need
to
choose
a
dow
or
some
multi-sig
that
will
probably
have
power
to
stop
the
bonding
curve
for
those
kinds
of
situations
and
that's
another
decision
that
should
have
its
own
support
required,
its
own
quorum
required
and
its
own
vote
duration.
You
know,
and
so
many
decisions
have
to
be
decided
by
this
dandelion
now
that
are
really
complex
and-
and
you
don't
have
to
it's
really
like
insurance
stuff
right,
foundational
level
stuff.
A
A
No
no
you're
right.
I
found
that
in
the
code
the
other
day,
because
tamra
wrote
this
one
and
it
was,
I
wasn't
sure
which
what
it
was
but
yeah
it's.
So
you
can
only
do
one
vote
at
a
time
and
tamara
wrote
a
really
good
forum
post
actually
about
this
of
like
okay.
So
what
does
this
mean?
You
know
if
you
can
only
if
vote
proposal
buffer
is
one
week.
That
means
we
can
only
do
50
votes
a
year
right
or
52.
A
I
E
Because
it
resembles
moloch
and
in
molog
it
is
just
one
boat
and
it
has
to
because
people
can
exit
at
any
moment.
So
you
want
to
vote
one
thing
after
the
the
other
and
in
case
that
people
decides
to
go
one
path,
and
you
don't
want
to
go
that
path.
You
can
exit
the
down
and
I
don't
know.
I
think
that,
having
some
hours
there,
it's
it's
okay.
E
F
Only
when
there
is
two
decisions,
that's
gonna
be
make
that's
the
only
moment.
I
see
there
might
be
a
critical
parameter
if
we
need
to
do
one
thing
after
or
you
know
decide
about
something
right
after
the
decision
of
the
first
one
is
taken
and
we
gotta
do
it
fast
that
parameter,
maybe
maybe
an
issue.
B
E
E
A
I
E
It's
open
for
everyone,
but
there
is
an
interface
and
anyone
can
create
a
I
mean.
Probably
the
the
complex
votes
can
only
be
done
using
the
command
line,
but
because,
usually
when
you
want
to
create
a
boat,
you
want
to
do
many
things
just
in
once
like
do
that
and
that
and
that,
and
that
and
you
go
yes
or
no,
because
you
have
just
one
week
in
order
to
well.
You
have
just
one
one
thing:
if
you
want
to
do
many
things
in
in
all
at
once,
you
can
write
everything
that
you
want.
A
A
Okay,
I
want
to
keep
us
moving,
though,
because
we
have
a
couple
talk
about
still
vote
execution
delay,
so
this
is
just
after
a
vote
passes
in
in
a
dandelion
down
time
to
give
for
people
to
sell.
If
they're,
like
best
thing
happens,
I
want
out-
and
this
is
really
valuable
for
us
curve
as
well,
because
if
a
vote
that
everyone
thinks
is
going
to
fail
at
the
last
minute
passes,
you
know
it's
like
whoa.
A
E
You
have
to
have
to
have
to
yeah,
but
you
can
create
the
vote.
You
can,
you
can
buy
the
tokens,
create
the
vote
at
the
last
moment.
Vote
and
the
book
passes,
but
your
your
tokens
are
locked
and
you
have
that
execution
delay.
That
is
the
parameter
that
we
are
talking
right
now
in
which
people
before
the
vote
is
executed
and
use
the
bombing
curve
or
redemptions
in
order
to
exit
the
doubt
like
selling
the
tokens-
and
I.
A
Think
this
is
one
of
the
surprise.
Coolest
features
in
our
in
dandelion
voting,
because
this
holds
the
governance
accountable
to
the
market.
So
if,
if
we
now,
we
get
to
actually
the
people
who
vote
yes,
if
you
disagree,
you
can
when,
when
the
vote
turns
yes,
you
can
sell
your
tokens
and
they
lose
money.
A
That's
really
cool,
just
imagine
if
you're
and
you
could
make
them
lose
money.
How
cool
would
that
be?
You
know
this
is
the
this
is
actually
the
politics
that
common
stack
is
trying
to
create,
we'll
see
if
it's
like
you
know,
dystopian
future,
but
it
it.
It
also
has
potential
to
keep
people
accountable
for
for
their
decisions
and
less
corruptable
so
because
they
are
accountable
to
you
know
it's
it's
harder
to
bribe
someone
if
they
lose
money
if
they
make
a
bad
decision.
E
E
A
A
A
It's
a
real
thing
dude
this
will
be.
This
will
be
in
the
this
will
be
in
the
books.
I
promise
okay,
it's
a
real
thing.
I
have
it.
I
have
a
real
bad
okay,
we
gotta
keep
going,
though.
Let's
move
to
toll
gate
fee
toll
gate
fee
is
really
interesting
too,
because
this
is
in
in
dandelion
dow.
The
way
that
we
allow
permissionlessness
and
avoid
spamming
is
by
making
there
be
a
fee
that
you
have
to
pay
to
actually
propose
a
vote,
and
I
think
sean
you.
You
wrote
this
right.
J
And
for
me
I
really
like
this
idea
of
sort
of
it's
like
a
resistance
parameter
on
outside
influence
like
so,
we
can
have
vote
votes
that
are
open
to
the
public,
but
if
the
those
people
for
who,
whoever
is
not
sort
of
part
of
the
hatch,
they
have
to
pay
that
fee
so
or
it
could
be
applied
to
everyone
but
yeah.
So
it's
like
a
spam
resistance.
I
think
it's
a
really
cool
parameter.
It
adds
some
like
fault
tolerance,
but
it's
also.
J
E
A
E
A
E
By
the
way
it's
the
it
has
to
be
a
high,
we
can
have
different
things
if
we
go
with
the
target,
it's
something
that
it
can
be
stipulated
in
the
internal
token
and
the
the
in
tc
if
we
want,
but
the
problem
is
that
with
tc,
if,
if
we
go
with
pc,
the
people
at
the
beginning
will
have
a
lot
of
pc
that
cannot
go
to
the
funding
pool.
So
it's
it's,
we
can
use
tc
or
we
can
use
dye,
and
we
use
that.
E
A
Don't
see,
I
don't
know
I
I
I
disagree
with
that.
I
think
it
is
fair
to
have
if
you
die
and
if
people,
because
people
can
get
die.
If,
if
someone
has
a
really
good
vote
like
they
can
go
talk
to
people
who
have
money,
the
voting
tokens
are
money,
but
there
is
funds
here
and
if
someone
has
a
good
vote
like
if
it's
twenty
thousand
dollars,
that's
a.
A
C
J
More
thing
I'm
gonna
try
to
be
putting
together
the
seminar
we're
talking
about
this
and
we're
gonna
be
doing
the
modeling
in
the
friday
lab
sessions.
So
it's
going
to
be
kind
of
an
introductory
to
modeling
the
hatch
this
friday
and
then
we're
going
to
go
deeper,
the
the
following
week
and
we're
going
to
try
to
incorporate
the
impact
hours
in
the
following
weeks.
So
that'll
be
a
good
space.
We
can
get
our
jupiter
notebooks
open
and
start
modeling
some
of
this
stuff,
and
so
the
state
that
I'm
in
now
is
me
personally.