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B
And
we're
live
okay.
Well,
thank
you.
So
much
for
all
coming
to
the
great
hatch
debate
this.
This
is
the
culmination
of
a
kind
of
a
long
process
that
we've
had
about
democratically
determining
the
parameters.
For
the
token
engineering
commons.
The
token
engineering
commons
is
going
to
be
the
first
economy
that
was
ever
truly
designed
from
the
bottom
up
where
anybody
could
propose
the
actual
design
and
the
community,
because
we
have
the
trusted
seed
and
people
have
earned
impact
hours.
B
We
have
a
set
of
400
people
who
have
earned
reputation
within
our
community
that
can
vote
to
determine
which
parameter
sets
we
actually
use
to
initialize
the
economy.
So
it's
been
a
super
cool
process.
You
can
read
about
all
of
the
different
parameter
sets
here
in
in
in
mitch's,
awesome,
blog
post,
and
we
used
this
dashboard.
I
hope
I'm
sharing
the
right
screen
just
check
yeah.
B
Thank
you
so
we're
using.
We
were
using
this
dashboard
to
actually
configure
it,
and
this
dashboard
is
still
live
at
params
te
commons.hatch,
and
so,
if
you
wanted
just
one
one
thing
there's
static,
I
think
on
your
mic.
I
don't
know
if
other
people
hear
that
or
if
it's
from
the
recording
bot
or
something
oh
yeah.
Unfortunately,
I'm
in
I'm
I'm
under
roof,
and
it's
raining.
B
Okay,
awesome,
good,
old-fashioned,
tin,
yeah,
I
I
just
I
just
came
to
costa
rica
and
so
I'll.
Just
what
I'll
do
is
I'll.
Try
to
speak
really
loudly.
Thank
you
so
much
for
telling
me
ygg
and
maybe
zepp
you
can
turn
down
my
voice
or
something
so
that
I
can
scream
and
it
won't
be
so
bad
all
right.
Thank
you.
My
g,
so
we're
using
we're
using
a
great
product
called
token
log
which
will
which
was
made
by
wesley
and
it's
a
he's
actually
got.
B
Gonna,
do
a
whole
revamp
of
the
system,
so
we'll
be
the
last
ones
to
use
this
version
for
such
an
important
thing,
which
is
super
cool
and
he
retrofitted
it
to
take
two
tokens.
The
the
the
c
stack
token
that
represents
the
c
stack
score
and
the
impact
hour
token
and
the
the
four
proposals
that
made
it
through
are
each
listed
here
and
you
can
kind
of.
B
If
you
go
to
tokenlog.xyz
slash,
all
of
this
which
I
will
put-
which
maybe
I
can
ask
someone
to
put
in
the
parameters
channel,
if
anyone
can
please
put
in
the
parameters
channel-
and
this
is
the
best
place
to
start-
and
you
can
click
each
of
these
links
and
see
a
polished
version-
that's
been
the
original
versions
of
these
had
memes,
and
they
were
very
from
a
personal
point
of
view
of
why
these
should
be
done.
B
These
parameters
should
be
chosen,
but
then
we,
a
team,
went
through
them
and
made
them
less
biased
and
more
more
like
clean
and
standardized
about
what
the
strategy
is
and
why
certain
parameters
were
chosen
and
it
gives
the
outputs
it
says:
hey
we're,
choosing
these
parameters
so
that
we
can
get
these
outputs
and
the
reason
we
want
these
outputs
is
because
this
is
the
strategy
for
the
hatch
and
a
little
background.
B
The
hatch
is
actually
where
we
initialize
the
the
commons
with,
and
we
gather
funds
that
will
that
we
will
use
later
to
initialize
the
bonding
curve
and
conviction
voting,
and
we
create
an
initial
distribution
of
token
holders
that
will
end
up
with
tokens
that
will
be
locked
and
they
they
will
be
the
stewards
of
the
commons,
the
initial
stewards
of
the
commons,
that
it's
their
job
to
actually
make
good
decisions
and
advance
token
engineering
in
a
way
that
other
people
want
to
participate
in
this
economy.
B
So
this
is
this
hatch
in
in
the
dashboard.
We
generally
are
deciding
two
main
things:
the
initial
token
distribution
and
the
governance
for
one
big
decision
which
is
upgrading
to
the
commons.
So
what
are
the
rules
for
this
dow?
The
initial
participants
to
actually
vote
to
take
all
the
money
out
of
their
first
down
and
move
it
into
the
bonding
curve
and
conviction
voting?
How
much
support
is
required
in
these
sorts
of
things
and
in
the
in
the
token
distribution?
B
There's
a
caveat.
That's
I
haven't
seen
done
before,
but
basically
there's
an
aligned
incentive
between
the
people
who
are
putting
money
in
the
more
money
that
the
the
econom
that
the
hatch
raises,
then
the
larger
percentage
of
the
total
supply
that
they
get
and
for
the
people
who
are
have
earned
impact
hours
through
our
praise
system
that
they
get
less
of
the
total
supply.
But
each
impact
hour
is
worth
more
tokens
and
more
and
effectively
more
value.
B
And
if
you
don't
have
a
c-stack
score,
you
really
need
to
go
activate
your
membership
at
the
at
the
membership
membership
member.comstack.foundation.
It's
really
cool
application,
where
you
actually
are
interacting
with
three
blockchains
and
the
swiss
legal
system.
So
it's
it's
a
pretty
it's
a
pretty
cool
thing
to
check
out
and
right
now
we
have
these.
These
are
the
four
proposals
we
have
83,
which
is
in
the
lead,
simple,
total
supply
held
by
builders.
B
We
have
1541
votes
for
number
80
and
we
have
728
votes
for
82
and
390
for
81.,
so
looks
like
there's
two
top
dogs
that
are
battling
for
the
for
the
win,
so
that'll
be
very
interesting
to
see
how
that
goes,
and
with
this
I
think
we
can
go
to
the
meat
of
this
of
this
talk
which
is
really
getting
into
the
getting
into
the
weeds.
What
are
these
proposals
actually
about?
Does
anyone
want
to
volunteer
to
be
the
first
person
to
take?
A
Okay,
awesome:
I
love
this
proposal
because,
like
it,
it's
like
the
minimum
goal
is
like
almost
what
we
already
have
on
the
soft
commits
but
er
and
on
this
at
this
point
it's
not
very
good
either
for
builders
and
because
the
builders
are
only
getting
16
dice
per
hour.
A
For
bakers,
because
they
they're,
like
the
builders,
are
getting
still
almost
30
percent
of
the
of
the
total
supply.
So
it's
very
cool
that
it's
alliance
to
raise
more
money,
so
the
more
money
we
raise
like
it's
going
like
also
impact
hours
and
the
total
health
total
supplies
is
going
down
a
lot
like
a
half.
If,
on
the
max
goal
and
yeah
that
I
really
like
this
about,
and
then
this
also
is
capped
by
the
by
the
cstk
ratio,
because
it's
very
low
4.5,
it's
the
lowest
from
all
of
them
and
yeah.
A
A
A
The
more
more
trusted
base
is
on
the
on
the
beginning,
and
then
you
have
like
a
second
liar.
So
it's
it's.
I
really
think
this
is
very
awesome
and
then,
like
the
hatch
tribute
it's
it's
slow,
I
don't
remember
the
number.
Can
I
see
it
somewhere.
A
Like
you
know,
people
when
it's
joining
like
it's
like
five
percent,
you
know
it's
to
say
like
you,
you
com,
when
you're
going
in
you're
committing,
but
at
the
same
time
it's
not
that
high,
like
you
like.
The
idea
is
like
people
if
they
like.
If
the
people
doesn't
like
the
commons
upgrade
proposal,
they
should
feel
free
to
leave
and
they
shouldn't
get
punished
at
all.
A
And
then
for
for
the
dao
parameters,
I
don't
see
them,
but
I
remember
it's
the
super
requirement.
It's
like
80
percent.
It's
it's
a
bit
high,
but
it's
okay,
because
you
know
like
you,
you
want
the
the
people
who's
voting
and
get
agreed
and
when
we're
operating
to
the
commons,
like
eighty
percent,
seems
f
fine
like
if
you
have
twenty
percent
of
rich
quitters,
would
it
honestly
doesn't
like?
A
Sometimes
people
is
not
voting
and
it's
not
like
they
don't
like
it
they're
just
doing
something
else,
and
then
the
quorum
is
low,
because
if,
like
the
community,
I
see
it
very
aligned
with
the
values,
so
the
quorum
is
low
because.
A
If
we
have
some
technical
issues
that
we
need
to
address,
we
can
just
make
it.
We
can
pass
it
because
you
know,
like
four
percent
is
pretty
low,
okay
and
then
the
last
thing
like
it's
super
cool,
because
we
have
like
this
troll
strategy
on
this
proposal,
like
with
100
dice
per
hour,
you
can
literally
throw
the
the
the
the
comments
upgrade,
but
at
the
same
time
we
are
raising
money
for
for
a
funding
post.
So
that's
awesome.
B
That's
great
well:
does
anyone
want
to
challenge
zaptimus
on
on
this
first
off?
Thank
you
so
much
septimus
for
taking
this
one
on
it
is
the
it's
it
has.
It's
currently
very
undervalued
here
at
390
votes,
so
does
anyone
want
to
if
not
many
people
are
are
talking
about
it?
Then
there
must
be
some
people
who
disagree.
Anyone
have
any
arguments
for
his
optimist.
B
D
I
I
I
really
like
this
one,
it's
very
similar
to
82,
except
what
I
don't
like
about
this
is
the
minimum
raise,
is
too
low
and-
and
I'm
concerned
like,
if
we,
if
we
didn't,
if
we
only
that,
doesn't
give
enough
incentive
for
for
tc
members
or
trusted
seat
members
to
go
out
and
get
that
funding,
because
we're
like
oh
well,
we're
gonna
hatch
one
way
or
the
other.
What
I
mean.
So
that's
that's
kind
of
my
curses.
A
A
Most
of
the
builders
are
also
going
to
be
bakers.
I
feel
like
so
like.
The
idea
is,
you
know
like
if
I
mean,
if
we
have
this
soft
commits,
that's
what
we're
going
to
have
and
then
start
it
and
then
it's
very
aligned
to
incentivize
get
more
funds,
because
if
with
low
funds,
either
like
builders
get
very
low
money
like
16
die
per
hour,
but
also
the
bakers
are
not.
I
mean
they
are
losing
30
of
the
phones
they're
putting
in
by
diluting
with
the
builders
but
yeah.
I
get
your
point.
E
Yeah,
that's
something
I
I
that's
one
thing
I
don't
like
about
this
proposal
as
well
is
like
I
feel
like
it
would
be
nicer
if
the
minimum
goal
it
just
like
was
that
a
little
higher,
because
if
the
400
thousand
at
400
000
raise
it's
like
the
impact
power
rate
is
just
like
too
low.
It's
like
minimum
wage
style
low,
and
I
don't
know
it
just.
I
think
we'll
probably
raise
more
than
that,
but
it's
almost
like.
E
I
just
wish
that
that
didn't
exist
at
all
as
like
an
option
because
it
just
doesn't
feel
rewarding
to
community
members.
And
another
thing
I
don't
like
is:
I
think
I
like
the
idea
of
the
troll
gate
fee
with
this
like
okay,
so
people
can
delay
the
commons
by
putting
in
a
little
bit
of
money,
but
I
just
don't
think
it's
enough.
I
feel
like
it's
like
800
wrap
decks
die,
isn't
enough
to
to
justify
delaying
everything
for
eight
hours.
A
E
A
A
Was
to
make
it
you
know
like
yeah,
it's
a
bit
troll,
but
the
idea
is
like
people,
you
know
if
they're
delaying
it,
we
are
getting
funds,
I
mean
yeah,
it's
a
bit
low,
but
I
mean
otherwise.
I
don't
feel
like
people
would
do
it.
A
E
I
also
now
that
I'm
looking
at
the
down
parameter
settings.
I
also
really
don't
like
the
support
required
being
only
80.
I
feel
like
if
20
of
the
people
don't
like
it.
That's
too
much
like
it's
a
full
fifth,
it's
like
a
whole.
Fifth
of
all.
The
people
are
voting
no
on
a
proposal,
but
it
still
gets
passed.
You
know
it
just
doesn't
seem
enough.
A
B
Yeah
yeah,
so
you
can,
you
can
vote
no,
but
if,
if
there's
a
large
percentage
of
people
that
vote
no,
then
they'll
likely
rage
quit
right
or
there's
a
good
chance.
They'll
rage
quit
so
do
we
do
we
want
to
pass
a
proposal
that
20
of
the
of
the
community,
this
is
of
the
engaged
community?
That's
going
to
vote
would
would
vote
no
against
that's
the
question.
B
No,
so
people
who
don't
vote
aren't
counted
in
the
support
required,
but
they're
people
who
vote
yes
are
counted
for
the
minimum
quorum.
So
if
you
vote
yes,
then
you're
raising
the
quorum
and
you're
also
raising
the
support
required.
But
if
you
vote
no,
then
the
quorum
doesn't
change
and
you're
lowering
the
support.
B
D
B
D
B
D
I
I
was
just
gonna
say
I
know
I
stumbled,
but
I'm
actually
all
in
on
the
eight
meme.
So
you
know
I'd
be
happy
to
talk
about
that
since
I
spent
all
my
votes
on
it.
D
Awesome,
so
I'm
just
like
that
minimum
goal.
We
need
that
much
to
to
to
survive
like
you
know,
and
that
maximum
goal,
I
think,
is
modest,
I
think
the
whole
proposal.
This
is
really
conservative
and
you
know
one
thing
in
all
this.
I
haven't
heard
any
budgets
of
what
different
working
groups
want
to
spend
for
the
next
couple
years
like
if
we
raise
15
million
dollars.
I
don't
even
know
what
we
do
with
it.
D
I'm
sure
we'd
be
fine,
we'd
figure
it
out,
because
that's
what
we
do,
but
you
know
I
think
that,
with
the
lower
max
rays,
you
can
create
that
fomo,
just
like
we
were
talking
about
in
the
last
in
4.5,
except
you
don't
have
the
danger
of
like
a
successful
hatch
that
is
broke.
D
So
that's
like
that's
my
whole,
I'm
just
coming
at
this
from
a
tokenomics
stance,
and
I
think
that
you
know
if
we
don't
raise
it.
Let's
say
that
we
raise
like
five
million
with
a
max
raise
of
15,
that
that
doesn't
look
as
good
as
5
million
with
a
max
raise
of
8..
And
then,
if
we
cap
it
out,
then
the
bonding
curve
is
going
to
go
bananas.
B
D
We
yeah,
we
can,
you
know,
like
the
membership
ratio,
is
eight
x
die
per
s
c,
stk,
so
c
stack.
That's
I
mean
that's
plenty
for
members
to
be
able
to
raise
it's
not
setting
a
super
low
bar
for
new.
B
D
I
think
the
meme
could
be
better,
but
if,
but
but
honestly
the
meme
is,
I
think
the
proposal
is
really
good
and
people
should
get
on
it
because
the
token
tokenomics
and
then
we
can
make
the
meme
great
for
the
world.
You
know
what
I
mean
and
then
they're
gonna
jump
on
it.
So
that's
team
needs.
Some
help.
C
I
know
another
thing
that
I
like
about
this
proposal
is
the
max
contribution
at
a
minimum
csdk,
because
I
think
that
proposal
80
like
gives
too
much
like
56
k.
I
think
it's
too
much
for
one
just
for
one
people
who,
just
like
has
the
minimum
cstk,
and
I
like
that
this
proposal
shows
a
maximum
of
9
000
because,
like
I
think
that,
like
that,
the
people
that
who
I
am
close
that
have
the
minimum
csdk
they
they
wanted
to
put
around
5k.
C
So
maybe
it
can
be
like
it
can
have
a
margin
for
people
who
can
put
a
little
bit
more.
But
it's
not
like
one
person
who
just
joined
can
put
a
lot
of
money
into
the
hatch.
B
Thanks,
okay,
well,
does
then
I'm
starting
the
clock
on
tearing
down
eight
eights
aren't
so
great.
Are
they
who,
who
wants
to?
Who?
Does
anyone
have
any
things
that
they
don't
like
about
this
proposal,
dan.
E
Do
you
know
what
I
really
think?
That's
actually
the
one
thing
I
don't
like
about
this
proposal.
It's
not
that
I
don't
even
like
it.
I
actually
kind
of
like
the
meme,
it's
sort
of
cute
sort
of
funny,
but
it's
a
real
deterrent,
and
I
think
that
the
reason
this
proposal
has
like
not
so
many
votes
is
because
people
are
like
it's
a
proposal
about
memes
and
it
almost
like
blocks
their
ability
to
actually
look
at
the
params
because
they
get
distracted
by
all
the
eights.
E
B
Well
I'll
respond
in
aids
favor,
I
I
I
I
think
the
meme
actually
adds
a
lot
of
value.
You
know,
there's
this
really
good
meme
around
the
like
secret
of
the
universe
for
40
is
42..
The
secret
of
token
engineering
is
eight,
and
this
is
like
you
said
this.
The
parameters
are
really
really
nice
and
there's
this
elegance
of
all
of
all
these
eights.
How
did
that
even
happen?
You
know
and
it
it
and
it
gets
better
like
it's
not
just
like
the
rage.
It's
not
just
the
inputs
that
are
eights
the
rage.
B
Quit
percent
starts
at
64.
and
and
that
maximum
goal
it
goes
to
80..
It
starts
at
40
here
and
ends
at
138.
You
know
like
it,
it's
it's,
so
it's
it's
just
incredible,
and
and
but
there
was
still
some
like
design
put
in
like
the
one
thing.
That's
not
eight
is
vote
duration
right
because
it
it
couldn't
be
a
decimal
and
it's
not
eight.
You
know
it's
like
you
can't
have
eight
days
there.
So
it's
not
like
it
wasn't
thought
through.
D
E
E
D
E
B
So
if
you
love
one
of
these
proposals,
don't
be
afraid
to
join
the
memoir
and
it's
in
the
comments
of
the
github
and
and
if
you
have
any
questions
or
if
there's
something
that
you
don't
like
about
these
proposals,
you
can
always
put
it
in
the
in
straight
into
the
github,
and
people
will
see
it
and
respond
so
the
next,
the
next
one
there's
two
more
proposals,
there's
80
and
which
is
in
sec.
B
E
Awesome.
Okay,
I
really
think
I
love
the
balance
in
83.
I
think
it's
like
at
the
minimum
goal.
You're
raising
or
you
have
27
rap
x,
dive
for
the
impact
hour
rate,
which
is
which
is
like
a
super
nice
modest,
but
like
reasonable
number
for
the
minimum
goal.
I
think
the
minimum
goal
of
800
000
is
also
possible
and
achievable,
and
also
practical.
I
think,
like
the
400
000
ones
are
like
okay.
We
already
have
that
in
soft
commits
and
like.
E
I
think
we
can
really
do
better
yeah,
and
I
also
like
how
the
backers
rage
quit
percentage
even
at
the
minimum
goal,
is
like
higher
than
the
other
ones
as
well.
It's
like
at
the
minimum
goal
is
73,
so
that's
pretty
reasonable.
I
think
that
people
who
enter
should
have
the
ability
to
change
their
mind
and
and
rage
quit
and
like
not
have
a
huge
penalty.
Yeah
like
like
80,
which
is
just
you,
know,
crazy,
yeah
and
yeah,
and
I
think
I
I
kind
of
like
that.
E
E
A
lot,
and
I
feel
like
83,
is
just
like
straightforward
taking
care
of
the
people,
it's
taking
care
of
the
people
who
are
doing
impact
hours
and
it's
taking
care
of
the
people
who
are
putting
in
funds
yeah
and
then,
if
we
go
down
to
the
hatch
parameter
settings
now,
I
feel
like
this.
One
also
has
no
the
sorry,
the
dow
parameter
settings
I
feel
like
this.
One
has
the
tollgate
fee
of
a
thousand
wrapped
x
die
and
the
vote
buffer
or
the
the
vote
buffer
of
four
hours.
E
I
think
that's
a
much
better
troll
gate
rate
than
like
than
the
other
ones.
I
feel
like
this
is
kind
of
reasonable.
Maybe
somebody
would
want
to
put
that
in,
but
it's
like
okay,
they
only
delay
the
comments
for
four
hours
with
a
thousand
repped
x
die,
and
then
that
goes
into
sporting
the
comments
and
then
like.
Similarly,
if
we're
looking
at
the
dow
parameter
settings,
I
really
like
that
the
support
required
is
88.
I
feel
like
it's
nice
like
we
want
to
have
participation
and
we
want
people
to
be
voting.
E
Yes,
like
I
didn't,
like
you
know,
on
the
other
one
I
said
I
don't,
I
didn't
really
like
the
80
support
required.
It
just
feels
like
too
low
to
me.
I
want
to
have
like
more
people
on
the
same
page.
I
feel
like
this
proposal
really
just
balances
like
and
takes
care
of
the
people.
It's
like.
We
want
everybody
to
be
aligned.
We
want
people
to
have
the
option
to
leave
if
they
want
to
leave.
E
We
want
people
to
be
rewarded
for
like
sweat,
labor
and
yeah,
and
it
does
a
really
good
job
with
that
and
then
like.
If
you
go
to
the
the
comparison
it
also
with
like
the
membership
ratio,
the
max
contribution
is
eleven
thousand
two
hundred
and
fifty
wrapped
extra,
which
I
also
think
is
pretty
reasonable,
like
it's
kind
of
modest,
that's
sort
of
a
lot,
but
it's
not
way
too
much
like
proposal.
E
80
is
just
like
way
too
high,
like
56
000
raft
exercise
seems
like
way
too
much
to
be
able
to
commit,
but
like
this
is
also
somewhere
in
between
it's
like
a
nice.
This
is
like
the
goldilocks
proposal.
It's
like
just
right
like
it's,
not
too
hot,
not
too
cold.
I
also
really
really
liked
82
and
I
feel
like
these
two
proposals
are
pretty
comparable
with,
like
the
main
differences
kind
of
being
like
as
far
as
like
the
outfits
going.
E
B
So
then
do
you
does
anyone
want
to
say
why
they
prefer
what
they
don't
like
about?
83.
A
I
really
don't
like
the
csdk
ratio
50.,
I
feel
it's
like
you
know
this,
like
people
are
going
to
put
money
in,
and
then
I
mean
we
don't
know
the
future.
But
imagine
like
in
a
future
where,
like
honestly,
like
people
who's
putting
money
in
like,
are
going
to
have
a
lot
of
funds
and
maybe
like
if
we
have
liquidity
problems
in
the
future.
A
B
I
mean
someone's
got
to
be
voting
for
the
one
that
we
haven't
talked
about
yet
right
I
mean
it's
number
two,
it's
it's
only
90
votes
less.
D
If
no
one's
going
to
say
anything
against
this,
I'm
just
going
to
reiterate
that
I
think
having
a
smaller
max
rate
makes
it
better
like.
If
we
don't
raise
a
ton,
it
doesn't
look
as
bad
if
we
raise
less
than
8
million
compared
to
if
we
raise
less
than
15
million
and
the
bonding
curve.
So
the
more
we
rose
the
less
money
either.
D
B
E
B
E
I
didn't
mention
that,
but
it's
like
such
another,
it's
another
like
addition
to
the
whole
goldilocks
scenario.
It's
just
like
people
feel
good
about
this
proposal,
like
the
numbers
like
they
seem
like
they
take
care
of
people
they're
also
easy
to
understand,
they're
easy
to
communicate,
they're,
not
yeah.
It
doesn't
leave
a
lot
of
confusion.
Yeah.
B
If
they
don't
like
how
things
are
going,
they
might
rage
quit
and
take
funds
out
and
just
to
play
devil's
advocate
that
could
be
challenging
if
a
lot
of
people
rage
quit
because
there's
like
a
polarized
decision
around
the
commons
upgrade
or
some
unpredictable
governance
issue
and
people
don't
feel
comfortable
moving
on,
and
so
they
take
funds
out.
B
That
might
not
look
good
for
us,
and
so
in
some
ways,
having
that
high
hatch
tribute
could
dissuade
people
from
rage
quitting
at
high
amounts.
It's
not
like
that
much
different
than
the
other
ones,
but
at
the
lower
amounts.
It's
it's
much
more.
It's
much
easier
to
exit.
A
But
I
really
like
the
idea
of
having
people.
You
know
letting
people
get
out
when
they
want,
because
otherwise,
if
you
make
to
make
people
to
stay
even
when
they
don't
want
to
stay,
I
think
that
can
do
even
worse
in
the
future.
When
and
also
you
know,
you
try
so
hard
since
you
know
like
giving
people
the
power
to
do
what
they
have
to
do.
It's
also,
you
know
people
have
the
power
it's
like,
like
in
united
states
like
this
red
bottom.
A
No
one
touched
it
right
because
no,
it
doesn't
apply
in
here,
but
the
thing
is
like
you
empower
people,
because
people
then
can
take
decisions
like
they
really.
You
know
you
create
a
system
where
people
got
the
power
and
you
know
they
don't
decide
what
others
think
they
decide
what
they
want.
And
then
you
try
to
align
all
these
people
because
it
feels
better
like
it's
not
just
better.
It's
I
mean
I
hate
my
english,
but.
B
No,
this
is
this
is
exactly
it's
up.
It's
like
the
in
in
80
in
83,
the
individual
can
hold
the
collective
accountable
and
in
the
other
ones
the
collective
has
a
little
bit
more
power
to
hold
the
individual
accountable
like
there.
If
the
individual
disagrees,
they're
less
likely
to
exit,
whereas
the
and
so
the
collective
can
kind
of
the
the
majority
can
kind
of
you
know,
make
decisions,
and
even
if
people
don't
disagree,
it'll
probably
still
happen
where,
whereas
in
83,
it's
much
more
likely
to.
B
If
that
the
collective
needs
to
be
concerned
and
find
a
middle
way
that
minority
opinions
can
be
respected
because
they're
more
likely
to
exit
but
we're
around
time.
So
we
have
one
more
and
it's
number
two
it's
this:
it's
it's
the
one
million
target
goal.
It's
actually
been
number
one
for
probably
more
amount
of
time
during
this
during
this
runoff.
So
it's
it's.
Definitely
a
leader
in
the
pack.
B
Is
anyone
here
in
big
support
of
80
of
proposal
80
and
wants
to
take
it
on?
Otherwise
I
will
cool.
So
I
honestly,
I
love
all
of
these
proposals.
I
don't
think
any
of
them
are
gonna,
be
bad
or
or
damage
our.
Let
me
start
the
timer
or
dam
or
damage
our
rays.
I
really
think
they're
all
acceptable
and-
and
this
one
has
a
very
clear
strategy.
B
I
think
it's
an
important
strategy
to
consider
the
the
the
challenge
all
of
the
proposals
have
about
one
month
of
a
hatch
tribute
of
a
hatch
period.
So
we
it's
30
days
for
some
for
like
one
of
them,
I
think
and
28
for
all
the
others,
and
so
we're
going
to
have
a
long
patch
period
and
the
people
at
the
beginning
that
there's
really
not
a
good
reason
to
put
in
die
at
the
beginning
of
the
hatch
period.
B
So
if
we
have
what
what
this
one,
what
80
really
says
is:
let's
accept
this
as
a
fact
like
people
can
use
their
liquidity
to
go.
You
know,
do
crazy,
defy
stuff
in
crypto
they're
not
going
to
want
to
put
in
the
hatch
early,
so
it
might
be
really
hard
to
achieve
these
milestones
in
the
other
proposals.
But
in
this
proposal
it'll
be
super
easy
because
we
can.
B
The
first
goal
is
only
400k
and
we
can
probably
get
that
early
on.
We
can
probably
get
to
400k
early
on
and
build
off
that
momentum
to
then
reach
our
target
goal
of
1
million.
It's
a
modest
proposal,
saying
hey.
We
just
want
to
raise
a
million
dollars
to
advance
token
engineering.
It's
cool
you
know
like
we
don't
have
we're
not
trying
to
do
pie
in
the
sky
stuff,
we're
gonna
launch
bonding
curve.
Later
it's
great,
you
want
to
be
a
part
of
this
and
and
so
early
on.
B
We
might
be
able
to
hit
these
milestones
and
and
build
off
that
momentum
and
then,
of
course,
near
the
end
when
it's
like,
oh
hey,
the
hatch
ends
in
three
days.
People
are
start
coming
in,
and
so
the
the
max
goal
is
really
high
so
that
we
can
allow
for
that
surge
at
the
and
it's
it
has
to
to.
It
has
some
interesting
decisions
that
people
have
been.
You
know
saying.
Oh,
this
is
too
much
money
to
give
to
give
people
56
000.
B
Well,
this
says
that
hey,
we
trust
the
trusted
seat
that
like,
if
you
make
it
into
the
trusted
seed,
then
you
can
put
50k
in.
We
don't
want
to
change
your
mind.
We
want
to
allow
anyone
to
follow
in
as
hard
as
they
as
hard
as
they
want
without
any
friction,
but
to
mitigate
that
issue.
The
fact
that
the
trusted
the
the
base
of
the
bonding
curve
might
not
be
as
trusted
as
it
would
be
in
the
other
proposals
we
dissuade
with
a
relatively
high
it's
the
second
highest.
Only
behind
eight
hatch
tribute.
B
So
let
me
see
where
is
that
hatch
tribute?
So
the
hatch
tribute
I
believe,
for
this,
one
is
seven
and
it's
not
actually
directly
compared,
but
the
hatch
tribute
for
this
one
is
seven
and
for-
and
you
can
see
it's
about
the
same
size
as
in
these
other
ones
right.
So
this
is
the
biggest
one,
and
this
is
the
second
biggest
one
they're
almost
the
same
size,
so
the
hatch
tribute
is
is
going
to
dissuade
people
like
a
seven
percent.
B
If
you
want
to
rage
quit
later,
you're
gonna
have
to
pay
seven
percent
to
the
dow.
Like
that's,
that's,
that's
a
penalty
and
that's
what
mitigates
the
high
membership
ratio
and
yeah-
and
you
know
the
dow
proposal
at
80
percent-
it's
it's
a!
It
has
a
really
high
quorum.
So
it's
it's
like.
If
there
is
a.
If
there
is
a
lot
of
challenging,
you
know
dissenting
opinions,
then
it
has
to
be.
It
would
have
to
be
pretty
crazy.
B
Like
20
percent
min
quorum
with
10
percent,
there
there'd
be
a
lot
of
there.
Might
there
might
be
a
lot
of
people
that
would
disagree
with
the
vote
and
want
like
some
kind
of
other
thing
to
be
solved,
but
with
a
ten
percent
quorum
you
know
if
they
they
clearly
the
minority
opinion
can't
just
can't
persuade
any
a
lot
of
people
to
come
around
with
them.
B
If
so,
many
people
are
still
voting
this,
so
it's
like
yeah
and
I
think
it's
important
also
to
have
that
high
quorum,
because
we
have
one
big
decision
and
it
needs
to
be
made,
and
with
with
this,
you
know
for
the
technical
things
we
can.
Probably
you
know
if
there's
any
big
issues
we'll
probably
be
able
to
find
the
whales
and
and
pass
boring
proposals
that
people
may
not
vote
for
okay.
So
why
does
anyone
want
to
challenge
me
on
80.
A
Yeah
one
thing:
I
really
don't
like
about
this
proposal
since,
like
the
rules
in
this
community,
like
you
know,
people
are
people
getting
paid
and
some
other
people
are
not
getting
paid.
So
they
are
getting
impact
hours,
but
it
feels
like
it
doesn't
feel
right
to
the
people
who's
putting
money
in
at
the
beginning,
and
I
really
don't
like
it
this
this
approach,
even
even
if
I
yeah
like
we
could
make
it
to
this,
but
I
really
feel
is
not
feeling
rewarded
to
the
people
who's
putting
money
in
because.
B
Yeah,
that's
fair,
so
this
this
is
probably
the
biggest
thing
that
is
the
outlier
for
80
as
well.
Is
this
the
other
outlier,
for
it
is
the
very
high
reward
for
hatchers
sorry
for
people
with
impact
hours,
and
this
is
another
way
to
really
mitigate
that
issue
of
56
000
people
can
put
in
this
much
money
and
it's
it's
to
make
sure
that
the
the
people
who
are
here
are,
you
know,
have
a
lot
of
governance
power
and,
of
course
the
thing
is.
B
You
know
the
the
in
the
impact
hour
rate
starts
out
way
higher
than
everybody's,
but
then
it
they
all
it
all
kind
of
evens
out
it's
always
higher,
but
it's
not
that
much
higher
at
7
mil
than
these
other
ones
and
at
14
mil
it's
it's
almost
the
same
as
83.,
and
it
really
does
a
great
job
at
incentivizing
people
after
to
to
come
in,
like
if
you
see
the
total
supply
that
if
we
only
raise
400k,
then
half
of
the
total
supply
goes
to
the
people
who
put
money
in
and
the
other
half
goes
to
the
people
who
actually
earn
impact
hours,
and
that
seems
like
a
lot
but
well.
B
The
people
who
have
impact
hours
will
probably
be
the
ones
that
are
putting
in
this
money
at
the
beginning.
So
this
will
the
the
goal
is
that
we
we
have
no
problem
hitting
this
main
goal
and
we
try
to
push
for
the
target
goal
early
and
once
once
we
can,
then
then
we
can
really
lean
on
this.
Like
oh
yeah,
the
more
money
we
raise.
You
know
the
more
the
more
percentage
of
the
total
supply
that
goes
to
backers.
B
So
more
than
any
of
these
other
ones,
there
is
like
a
very
strong
incentive
to
put
to
for
people
who
have
put
money
in
to
go,
tell
their
friends
to
put
more
money
in
because
they
benefit
so
much
more
yeah.
So
that's
the
that's.
The
big
win
here
is
that
it
starts.
It
starts
really
really
high
as
for
for
a
percentage
in,
but
then
it
goes,
it
goes
to
pretty
reasonable
numbers.
E
This
is
like
what
I
really
don't
like
about
this
proposal.
It's
like
this
in
combination
with,
like
the
really
high
membership
ratio,
it's
like
so
people
with
only
a
little
bit
of
c
stack,
can
put
in
a
lot
of
money,
therefore,
being
like
not
much
of
a
builder
and
a
lot
of
a
backer
and
then
all
of
their
money
basically
goes
to
the
builders
who
have
more
impact
hours.
So
it's
like
okay,
you're,
encouraging
this
like
yeah.
E
Let's
make
lots
of
money,
bring
the
people
in
and
give
us
the
money
and
like
we're
not
going
to
take
care
of
you
at
all
and
like
so.
It's
like
that
has
like
at
the
beginning,
at
the
minimum
goal,
has
like
yeah,
45,
46
backers,
weight,
rage
quit
at
the
minimum
goal
and
then
like
even
at
the
target
goal,
it's
only
50.
So
if
somebody
puts
in
a
lot
of
money
who
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
c-stack,
then,
and
then
they
it's
like
they
come
into
it.
You
know
bright-eyed
and
bushy-tailed
and
they're
like
yeah.
E
I
kind
of
believe
in
this
and
like
wait.
This
isn't
aligned
with
me
anymore,
and
they
want
to
change
their
mind,
but
they
can't
because
they're
trapped
by
these
people
with
the
impact
hours
it
just
doesn't
feel
like.
It
feels
like
it's
putting
so
much
emphasis
on
raising
money
and
like
the
like
fomo
of
like
yeah,
okay,
like
let's
get
people
in
and
raise
more
money,
and
we
don't
care
where
the
money
comes
from.
E
A
Ahead,
I
was
going
also
to
say
the
same
as
lauren
was
saying
like
even
when
you
raise
a
lot
of
money.
You
know
people
with
very
low
system
score
could
add
a
lot
of
money
and
no,
I
don't.
D
A
A
B
B
And
and
different
things
are
considered,
but
it's
a
it's
it's
it's
a
pretty.
I
it.
I
think
it
would
be,
even
though
everyone
here
doesn't
like
83
there.
There
is
a
good
crew
that
really
do
love
this
love
this
proposal,
and
I
I
they
just
don't
come
to
the
pram
debates
or
something
because
yeah,
I
would
love
to
hear
their
arguments.
Yeah
dan.
D
I
just
wish
lauren
was
as
impassioned
about
all
of
these
all
these
as
she
is
about
81.
B
Yeah
yeah,
okay,
so
we
have
10
minutes
left.
Let's
pass
it
around
final
thoughts
on
the
on
these
parameter.
Sets
like
your
final
argument
on
why
you
really
want
the
this
setup
room
I'll
start
with
you
d
dan
and
then
pass
it
to
someone.
D
Yeah,
I'm
like
a
simple
guy
and
I
think,
bonding
curve
initializing.
The
bonding
curve
is
like
the
most
important
thing
here,
so
I'm
pretty
focused
on
I
like
that.
D
D
C
C
Maybe
making
people
feel
that
that
we
are
wanting
more
numbers
than
value
driven
that
and
that
that's
like
one
of
our
core
principles,
and
I
feel
that
simple,
total
supply
held
by
builders
like
defends
this
a
little
bit
better
and
that's
why
I
like
it
and
also
I
like
it,
simplicity,
so
yeah.
I
am
all
for
simple
total
supply
held
by
builders
and
I
will
pass
to
septimus.
A
Did
all
my
votes
and
I
don't
have
more
votes,
but
I
really
would
vote
more
on
the
total
supply
heavyweight
builders.
After
this
meeting
I
really
yeah.
You
know
it's
like
lauren
was
saying
not
too
hard
not
to
call
like
the
cystic
ratio.
10,
I
mean
yeah.
I
feel
it's
okay,
you
know,
I
mean
at
least
people
is,
you
know
they're
putting
10k
but
yeah,
but
it's
people
who
already
follow
the
process
of
the
trusted
seat,
so
it
feels
okay,
in
my
opinion,
so
yeah
I
mean
yeah.
A
C
I
think
that
the
points
about
keeping
that
and
I
would
have
to
go
back
and
put
it
back
together.
I
haven't
voted
yet
the
points
about
having
too
low
of
a
minimum
goal,
like
kind
of
causing
people
to
be
lackadaisical.
I
think
that's
a
good
point
and
of
course,
I'm
into
impact
hours
getting
paid
more,
but
now
I'm
thinking
about
the
power
of
the
individual
versus
the
power
of
the
collective.
So
I
don't
really
know
where
to
go
with
that.
Do
you
actually
have
to
spend
your
tokens
to
vote?
B
No,
you
you
get
when
you
vote,
so
this
dow
has
one
decision
to
make
and
that's
to
send
money,
send
all
of
the
money
to
the
commons
upgrade,
and
so
you
get
your
tokens
back
there's.
No,
it
doesn't
cost
money
to
vote.
C
Hi,
I
don't
really
feel
like.
I
have
any
strong
opinions
on
any,
yet
I
don't
I'm
just
here
observing,
like
my
role
says,
but
right
now
I
think
I'm
leaning
towards
the
4.5
membership
ratio,
because
I
may
I
mean
I
may
be
wrong
about
this.
I
don't
know
I
I
feel
like
that
membership
ratio
is
a
little
more
like
democratic
and
and
has
less
like
of
a
formal
factor.
C
I
don't
know
if
fomo
is
good
or
bad.
Honestly,
that's
just
my
opinion,
I'll
bounce
it
to
lauren.
I
think
she
hasn't
been
past
the
ball
yet.
E
Thanks
pop
yeah,
I
feel
strongly
that
I
like
83
the
best
I
like
it,
the
best
because
it's
balanced
between
backers
and
builders.
It
seems
to
take
care
of
everybody.
It
has
like
yeah
it.
It
has
nice
numbers,
it's
easy
to
understand
and
yeah.
It's
just
just
a
solid
proposal.
It's
just
the
best
proposal
and-
and
I
yeah
you
know,
I
like
the
lower
membership
ratio
as
well,
but
they're.
All
okay,
in
my
opinion,
like
83,
is
okay,
82's.
Okay,
I
just
don't
really
like
80..
C
Hello
yeah,
I
agree
with
with
a
proposal.
Lady
3
I
like
how
how
clean
it
is,
but
it's
like
82
is
fine.
I
like
the
number
8
a
lot
also,
but
I
don't
know
I
usually
like,
like
together
yeah.
I
don't
know
the
same
reasons
that
lauren
said.
I,
like
those
reasons
I'll
pass
it
back
to
grief.
B
Great
yeah,
I
think
that's
everyone
right.
Thank
you
all
for
coming
to
the
great
hatch
debate
and
exerting
your
political
power.
This
is
what
economic
democracy
looks
like.
I
isn't
it
crazy
that
there's
never
been
a
debate
around
parameters
before
around
or
should
we
have
32
ether
for
you
know
for
like
who
chooses
these
things,
so
it's
a
we're
really
starting
something,
and
I
really
appreciate
all
of
you
guys
being
part
of
it.
So
thank
you
guys
and
I'll
see
you
at
the
next
one.