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A
Are
you
ready,
zep,
nice
all
right,
so
welcome
to
the
token
engineering
commons,
great
hatch,
debate,
we're
going
to
start
with
an
opening
question:
oh
nice,
to
I'll,
be
facilitating,
chewy
will
be
djing.
Zeptimus
can
moderate
for
me
and
we're
going
to
have
a
really
good
time
today,
we're
going
to
start
off
with.
Why
are
we
even
here?
What
is
what
is
so
exciting
about
the
token
engineering
and
I'm
going
to
set
a
timer
30
seconds
for
everyone
to
to
say
their
piece,
and
I
will
start
so.
A
What
excites
me
about
the
token
engineering
commons
is
the
ability
to
actually
validate
designs
for
token
engineering.
All
these
token
engineers
they're
working
in
their
own
little
silos,
and
they
want
to
build
good
products.
They
want
to
build
things
that
people
can
actually
that
will
change
the
world
in
the
way
that
they
want
to
be
changed,
but
they
can't
they
can't
they
don't
have
the
tools
to
validate
their
design,
and
I
also
the
other.
The
other
big
piece
is
I:
these
are
socioeconomic
systems.
A
B
Hey
everyone
yeah.
I
think
my
favorite
thing
about
the
token
engineering
commons
is
like.
Not
only
are
we
like
developing
tools
from
with
like
a
lot
of
like
technological
understanding,
but
it's
like
really
empowering
to
the
people.
C
Hey
everyone
yeah.
I
followed
you
there
lauren.
I
believe
that
the
fight
against
technocracy
is
the
part
that
that
makes
the
pc
the
most
amazing.
Now
that
I
have
known
so
far
because
yeah
it
scares
that
we
want
to
enjoy
and
fight,
can
you
listen
to
it
properly,
yeah,
okay,
yeah,
so
yeah.
The
fight
against
the
people
that
knows
about
the
technology
are
the
ones
that
make
all
the
decisions
and
that,
I
believe,
is
the
most
important
part
for
me.
So
far,.
D
What
excites
me
the
most
about
token
engineering
is
like
it's
a
it's
a
stupid
example,
but
it's
like
a
bunch
of
architects
like
building
a
house
to
get
better
at
architecting,
and
so
I
mean
it's
it's
building
a
micro
economy,
and
it
really
really
really
makes
me
up
like
excited,
because
people
having
total
control
of
what
they
give
value
to
is
just
like
an
intellectual
and
cultural
revolution,
and
I
think
that
it
shouldn't
be
taken
like
lighter
than
that
and
yeah.
It's
easy.
E
Like
token
engineering
is
creating
all
these
tools
and
you
know,
and
it's
open
source.
So
all
these
tools
are
going
to
be
used
by
other
communities
and
everyone-
and
you
know
we're
first
helping
the
token
engineers
so
then
like
it,
can
help
the
world
and
yeah.
It
excites
me
a
lot
and
I'll
pass
it
to
amin.
A
A
But
if
a
meme
comes
back
I'll
I'll,
let
him
give
an
intro,
but
I
really
am
excited
to
just
kind
of
give
an
overview
of
what
is
token
engineering,
because
I
don't
think
a
lot
of
people
really
understand
it's
kind
of
a
it's
kind
of
an
you
know,
a
vague
subject.
I
mean:
does
your
mic
work.
A
No
still
doesn't
work,
okay,
it's
okay!
I
mean,
I
know,
you're
excited
about
token
engineering,
commons
we'll
just
have
to
let
you
keep
trying
the
mic,
though,
and
feel
free
to
interrupt
and
test
by
saying.
Hey.
Can
you
hear
me
you
know
and
we'll
we'll
give
you
the
thumbs
up,
but
token
engineering
is
a
really
it's
a
very
young
field
of
research
that
focuses
on
the
design
side
of
building
token-based
economic
systems.
We
all
know
that
these
token
economies
need
smart
contracts,
but
these
token
economies
they're
going
to
change
the
world.
A
This
is
certain,
but
we
have
a
tendency
to
forget
that
they're
also
public
infrastructure
that
once
launched
it's
hard
to
change
kind
of
like
bridges
and
when
an
engineer
designs,
a
bridge,
they
have
so
many
tools
at
their
disposal
to
validate
their
designs
before
they
even
start
they
don't
test
in
prod
right.
This
is
not
what
you
do
with
public
sure
we
have
seen.
Many
problems
arise
that
could
have
been
prevented
with
just
a
little
bit
of
design
validation.
If
token
engineering
became
more
accessible,
the
designers
of
these
economies
would
want
to
validate
their
design.
A
If,
if
the
communities
actually
demanded
smart
token
economic
validation
that
like
actually
testing
that
the
design
is
going
to
solve
the
problems
that
they
say
it's
supposed
to
solve,
the
community
demanded
it
people
would
do
it
just
like
smart
contracts
and
if,
if
yeah,
I
think
we
have
the
ability
here
in
this
community
to
actually
create
that
awareness
and
build
the
tools
for
making
it
easy.
We
just
need
to
make
this
these
things
easy
to
advance
this
field
together.
A
Right
now,
everyone's
designing
these
systems
in
their
own
little
silos
and
the
token
engineering
commons
community
has
a
chance
using
a
token
economy
to
actually
pull
everyone
out
and
become
a
shelling
point
for
this
community
to
actually
get
all
the
token
engineers
talking
to
each
other
to
bring
this
field
of
study
further
faster
together.
So
and
the
way
we're
doing
this
is
the
other
thing
about
token
engineering
is
it's:
a
social
economies
are
socio-economic
systems.
A
Every
cryptocurrency
is
a
socio-economic,
and
we
forget
that
sometimes,
and
but
at
the
token
engineering
commons,
we
know
this.
This
is
very
important
for
us
and
that's
why
we
try
to
make
sure
that
everyone
has
the
power
to
be
a
token
engineer
in
one
way
or
another,
whether
it's
by
making
sure
that
conflict
can
be
resolved
in
the
community
or
that
you
know,
there's
a
there's,
a
comms
team,
that's
actually
disseminating
information.
These
are
different.
Parts
actually
makes
token
economy
successful.
A
We
always
want
to
focus
on
the
tech
there's
so
much
more
than
that
and
there's
something
special
about
the
way.
The
token
engineering
commons
is
being
created,
it'll
be
the
first
economy
ever
to
be
designed
from
the
bottom
up.
First
thing
that
we
designed
from
the
bottom
up
was
our
mission
vision
value.
Of
course,
we
had
six
to
eight
months
of
like
community
building
exercises
and
really
just
bringing
everyone
together
to
like
really
fill
into.
What
is
the
token
engineering
commons
to
us,
and
then
anyone
could
propose
what
our
mission
vision
and
value
should
be.
A
We
had
an
open
inquiry,
anyone
could
write
it
and
then
we
all
voted
on
which
ones
were
the
best
and
the
top
choice
was
was
was
chosen
and
boom.
Now
we
have
mission
vision,
value,
hey,
gabby,
hey
and
then
now,
once
we
had
actually
what
oh
yeah
I
mean,
we
hear
you
now
too,
once
we
had
the
actual
purpose
of
this
economy
set
now
we
can
actually
design
and
configure
the
dao
from
a
bottom-up
approach.
A
We're
the
token
engineering
commons
is
launching
in
two
parts.
First
is
the
initialization
stage,
which
we
call
the
hatch.
The
hatch
focus
is
the
token
distribution
to
start
like
who
gets
tokens
and
for
what
and
how
does
that
al?
How
does
that
work
and
then
also,
of
course,
the
initial
dow
that
will
be
making
decisions
about
the
upgrade
for
the
second
phase
in
the
second
phase,
we'll
have
a
full-fledged
economy,
it'll
be
likely
a
garden
style.
Thank
you,
gabby,
for
all
your
hard
work
on
on
in
one
hive
with
guardians.
A
It
will
have
conviction
voting,
but
instead
of
dynamic
issuance
that
gardens
normally
has
we're
going
to
use
an
augmented
bonding
curve.
The
augmented
bonding
curve
allows
for
micro
economy
with
with
a
strong
liquidity,
so
that
we
can
have
a
really
stable
system.
A
A
We
will
design
in
the
same
way
that
we
did
the
mission
vision
values
in
the
same
way
that
we're
doing
the
hatch
right
now
from
bottom
up,
where
anyone
can
configure
this
economy
and
they'll
have
the
tools
at
their
disposal
to
do
so
in
an
informed
way,
and
now
we're
in
the
last
stage
of
our
of
our
debate
around
configuring,
the
hatch
and
the
initialization.
A
A
Nice,
nice
yeah
tell
them
when
to
play
play
start,
so
it
all
started
in
the
hatch
parameters.
It
all
started
here
at
this
hatch,
dashboard,
major
praise
to
vitor
lauren,
myself,
fabio
and
marco
and
the
whole
the
whole
team
behind
making
this
dashboard
ygg
sim.
A
It
was
a
lot
of
work,
and
this
is
just
the
first
introductory
dashboard
we're
going
to
make
it
much
cleaner
for
future
comments.
But
here
we
we
designed
the
hatch
which
it
figures
out
the
initial
token
distribution
and
we
design
the
dao,
which
is
like
the
classic
like.
If
you
vote,
you
know
what
does
it
take
for
a
proposal
to
pass?
You
know
how
many
days
is
the
voting
period.
You
know
we.
A
We
did
a
lot
of
things
that,
where
that
are
interesting,
that
are
actually
just
social
parameters
such
because
it's
not
all
just
what
goes
into
smart
contract,
but
also
hey.
What
should
our
target
gold,
what
you
know
as
a
community?
How
much
do
we
want
to
tell
everyone?
This
is
what
we
want
to,
and
also
how?
How
much
did
one
token
be
worth?
Should
one
token
cost
one
dollar,
or
should
it
be
like
a
thousand
dollars
for
a
token,
or
maybe
it
should
be
a
penny?
Maybe
it
should
be
fractions
of
it.
A
These
are
decisions
that
have
to
be
made.
Normally
they
are
made
by
a
small
group
of
people
behind
the
scene
and
the
token
engineering
commons
we're
trying
to
do
it
differently,
we're
doing
participatory
economic,
where,
instead
of
just
a
small
group
of
devs
that
are
very
well
informed
to
make
these
decisions,
those
that
group
of
devs
plus
the
community
can
all
propose
how
they
want
to
make
those
decisions
and
and
actually
design
the
system
themselves.
A
If
they'd
like
and,
of
course,
the
small
group
of
people,
that's
usually
doing
it
behind
the
scenes,
I
hope
they
would
participate
in
that
process
in
an
open
process
that
can
be
validated
by
the
community
and
and
voted
on
and
approved,
and
that's
what
we're
doing
so
from
this
dashboard.
A
It
actually
pushes
out
github
issues
with
the
with
the
outputs
of
the
economy,
how
the
different
scenarios
a
little
simulation
of
what
the
economy
will
look
like
based
on
the
parameters
that
are
chosen
and
the
we
use
token
log
major
praise
to
wesley
for
putting
token
log
together.
We
actually
use
token
log
to
vote
on
those
proposals.
A
Now,
in
the
first
round,
there
were
many
proposals,
something
like
20
or
30
different
proposals
that
were
there
for
the
final
vote.
There
are
about
70
proposals
made,
but
many
of
them
were
just
test
proposals
that
people
made
and
then
they're
like
I
don't
like
anymore,
and
then
they
close
the
issue.
So
in
the
end
there
were
about
20
or
30
proposals
that
were
voted
on,
and
these
were
the
top
four
that
are
in
the
run-up.
A
We
changed
the
names
to
protect
the
innocent
designers,
so
that,
and
also
so
that
the
people
who
actually
submitted
them,
it
doesn't
matter
it
doesn't
matter
anymore.
They
were
all
submitted
by
wonka,
even
though
he
didn't
design
any
of
them,
or
maybe
he
did
who
knows
and
and
and
we
also
kind
of
standardized
how
we
talk
about
each
one
so
that
they
have
a
relatively
even
flow.
A
You
know
we
did
basically
the
voter
pamphlet
thing
when
you,
when
things
are
starting
to
get
political,
when
you
start
having
participatory
economics,
it
almost
starts
feeling
like
voting
in
an
election,
because
that's
what
it
is
in
fact
it's
a
very
important
election.
It's
an
election
that
we've
never
had
in
our
society,
hey.
How
should
we?
How
should
we
live
in
this
economy?
To
what
economy
do
we
want
to
live
in?
This
is
it
is
a
political
discussion,
and
so
we
try
to
follow
the
best
practices
there
and
standardize
standardize
the
system.
A
So
you
can
go
into
token
log
and
the
link
is
in
the
parameters
channel
and
go
into
token
log,
and
you
can
click
each
one
of
these
and
read
about
the
different
proposals
in
this
call.
We're
going
to
have
one
person
from
who
loves
each
proposal
actually
say
actually
promote
their
proposal.
We're
gonna
have
a
debate.
Kind
of
like
a
presidential
debate
where
different
people
will
represent
a
different
proposal
and
say
why
they
love
it
and
how
and
then
we
will
all.
A
I'm
going
to
put
four
minutes
on
the
clock
and
I'm
going
to
septimus
if
you're
ready,
we'll
start
with
you
and
I
can
share
screen
and
hop
around
I'll,
try
to
be
a
good
facilitator
here.
Thank.
E
E
Okay,
I'm
super
excited
about
4.5
because,
like
this
proposal
like
the
strategy
behind
it,
this
has
two
layers.
D
E
Of
modest,
seven
million
so
on
a
crypto
project
is
kind
of
modest
and
it's
actually
like
the
match
goal
is
copied
by
the
by
the
cstk
ratio,
which
is
4.5,
which
is
the
lowest
of
all
the
all
the
proposals
we
have
here
to
vote
and
and
and
yeah,
and
then
the
minimum
goal
it's
400k,
which
is
like
we
have
for
the
the
soft
commits,
but
at
the
sa
it's
it
doesn't
feel
reward
for
for
either
the
bankers
or
either
the
impact
hours,
because
people
is
putting
money
in,
but
they
are
getting
30
percent
diluted
by
the
builders,
but
at
the
same
time
the
bills
are
only
getting
six
sixty
sixty.
E
I
this.
D
E
Of
impact
hours
per
hour,
so
yeah
and
yeah
like
then,
the
the
hatch
minting
rate
it's
pretty
high,
although
you
want
to
see
it
every
token
is
going
to
be
worth
a
1k,
so
yeah
we
make
sure
like
each
token
counts,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
love
for
each
one,
and
it's
also
like
people
can
have
like
this
small
goes
to
have.
You
know
one
token
10.
E
We
we
use
eighty
percent
for
the
super
requirement,
yeah
like
we.
We
want
to
make
sure
like
people
who,
when
we
operate
to
the
commons
like
there
is
a
strong
alignment.
That's
why
an
eighty
percent-
it's
important-
I
mean
it.
Could
I
I
feel
it's
it's
balance
because
it
could
be
higher,
but
then
it
could
have
you
know,
like
people
could
would
be
easier
to
block
somehow,
because
you
know
like
if
20-
but
I
mean
at
this
point-
is
80
percent
of
the
community
has
to
agree.
E
So
I
feel,
like
that's
a
very
strong
number
and
then
at
the
same
time,
because
I
feel
like
the
community
is
very
aligned.
E
The
minimum
quorum
is
very
low,
but
it's
just
because,
like
it's
only
going
to
be
one
decision
on
this
for
the
common
super
rate,
and
if
we
had
some
technical
issues
that
we
might
need
to
pass
yeah,
we
could
do
it
easily
and
then,
which
is
also
super
interesting
about
this
proposal
is
the
the
troll
strategy
which,
with
100
dice,
you
could
literally
throw
the
the
dow
and
delaying
the
the
common
super
8.
But
at
the
same
time,
with
this
money,
you
are
funding
the
the
funding
pool
for
the
common
super
8.
So
it's
awesome.
B
Yeah
yeah
totally
well,
I
mean
so
I
don't
have
any
questions,
but
I
do
have
like
three
things.
I
don't
like
about
this
proposal.
It's
an
okay
proposal,
but
one
thing
I
don't
really
like
is
in
the
support
required,
the
eighty
percent.
B
You
can
pass
a
proposal
with
eighty
percent
and
a
minimum
forum
of
only
four
percent.
It
just
seems
like,
like
you,
don't
need
a
lot
of
people
to
show
up
and
20
of
the
people
who
did
show
up
could
hate
it,
and
it
just
seems
like
it
just
I
just
don't
like
that.
I
feel
like
you
want
to
have
more
people
engaged
like
what
we're
trying
to
do
right
now,
like
with
the
hat
it's
like
to.
Do
that
then
design
the
comments
you
want
to
have
like
the
people
participating
like
actively
participating.
B
So
I
think
we
should
have
it
like
at
least
eight
percent
or
like
more
than
four
percent
showing
up
and
then
I
think
more
people
should
be
voting.
Yes,
the
other
thing
I
don't
like
about
it
wait.
Do
you.
E
I
mean,
like
the
I
agree,
like
a
on
a
normal
economy.
That
would
be
a
problem
but
like
since
it's
only
going
to
be
one
decision
and
we,
like,
I,
I
strongly
feel
like
the
community
is
aligned.
I
don't
feel
like
the
law
forum
would
be
an
issue
also.
E
It
would
be
a
strong
thing
because
we
could
like
if
we
have
some
technical
problems
that
we
might
not
have,
but
just
in
case,
if
we
have
them,
we
could
easily
tag
them
and
you
know
like
it
would
be
more
much
more
efficient
but
yeah
we,
I
agree.
We
we
decreasing
participation
but
at
the
same
time
like
if
people
is
engaged,
they
can
vote.
No.
So
it's
it's
an
efficiency
strategy.
Let's
say.
B
Yeah,
I
just
think,
like
I
mean
it's
like
resilient
against
voter
apathy,
so
it's
like
if
people
like
are
like,
then
okay
cool,
like
you,
can
still
like
pass.
Proposals
like
it
is
efficient
in
that
way,
but
I
just
think
that,
like
because
of
the
amount
of
engagement
that
we
have
from
the
people,
it's
like
people
are
gonna,
be
wanting
to
vote,
and
so,
if
only
four
percent
of
people
show
up
or
like
yeah,
if
only
like,
you
meet
this
only
four
percent,
it's
almost
like
the
people
didn't
know
it's
like.
B
E
B
I
guess
my
next
thing
is
like
the
the
membership
ratio.
I
know
it's
like
the
exciting
part
about
this
proposal.
It's
like
4.5
membership
ratio.
So
basically
I
guess
if
we
go
to
like
the
comparison
thing,
it
shows
like
a
member
who
only
has
a
c
stack
ratio
of
like
1
000
can
put
in.
Where
is
it
5
000
right
x,
die.
That's
like
the
max
contribution,
it
just
seems,
like
I
don't
know
like
we
want
to
raise
some
money
like
we
should
allow
people
to
put
in
a
little
bit
more.
B
A
E
I
think
actually,
like
this
part,
is
like
the
strongest
for
the
strategy,
because
you
you
use
at
that
very
low
amount
of
money,
but
it's
not
like
we
can
buy
on
the
hatch
and
never
again,
we
can
just
buy
again
at
post
cash
right,
and
the
idea
with
this
very
low
is
like
making
the
the
bottom
of
the
of
the
bonding
curve
very
thrust
and
and
create
formal.
Like
people
can
put
money
in
after,
and
you
know,
it
will
be
like
even
cooler,
because
we
have
like
two
layers
of
trust.
A
Great
okay,
sorry
about
that,
my
internet
started
going
bad
a
little
bit,
but
I'm
gonna
actually
present
we're
going
to
move
on
to
the
another
proposal.
One
of
my
favorite
proposals,
which
is
actually
in
third
place-
it's
called
eight
percent-
has
tribute.
Can
you
guys
hear
me?
Okay,
okay,
cool
yeah,.
F
Oh
yeah,
is
it
possible
to
make
a
small
comment
before
yeah?
Do
it
or
it's
too
late?
No,
no.
Do
it
go
for
it
just
yeah,
so
you
just
need
to
wait
eight
hours
before
each
proposal
and-
and
I
think
it's
too
too
short-
I
mean
it
means
that
you
can
make
plenty
of
proposals
and
I
feel,
like
a
user
fatigue,
I
mean,
if
you
make
like
every
day
a
proposal.
F
Then
there
are
people
that
will
feel
a
little
bit
lost,
but
because
they
will
maybe
take
their
computer
or
the
voting
proposals
like
every
four
three
to
four,
maybe
one
week
and.
F
A
That's
so.
A
That's
a
that's
a
really
great
point
about
the
the
this
this
one
thing
about
4.5
is
that
it
has
the
fastest
voting
period
four
days
so
three
days
of
duration
and
one
day
of
rage
quit
time.
So
you
take
people.
It
takes
four
days
to
pass
proposals
and
that's
an
interesting.
That's
definitely
a
differentiator.
A
I
think
all
the
other
one
takes
six
days
to
do
proposals
four
day,
duration,
two
day,
rage
quit
period,
so
but
I
in
the
interest
of
time
and
making
sure
that
we
have
space
for
the
last
two
proposals,
I'll
I'll
jump
into
82.
Eight
percent
hash
tribute
this.
Oh
remember,.
A
A
No
is
it?
Is
it
their
issuance
rate?
No,
no!
It's
not.
What
is
it?
Oh,
the
meme
of
the
doge,
of
course,
and
we
I
cannot
be
blinded
by
what
really
works
for
people
like
it
is
it
we
get.
Sometimes
we
get
egalitarian.
Oh
it's
all
about
how
we
design
the
economy,
yeah.
Okay,
that's
an
important
part
and-
and
eight
really
focuses
on
that.
Honestly,
it
is
a
elegant
proposal.
It's
beautiful!
A
We
have
a
really
nice
minimum
goal
of
the
highest
minimum
goal
to
incentivize
the
the
the
core
people
to
get
out
there
and
go
and
make
sure
we
have
solid
amount
of
money.
We
have
a
a
maximum
goal.
That's
right
in
the
sweet
spot.
A
I'd
say
like
eight
eight
about
nine
million
dollars,
of
course,
eight
million
dollars,
eight
hundred
and
eighty
eight
thousand
and
eight
hundred
and
eighty
eight.
So
these
these
are,
of
course,
for
the
mean
you
know,
but
they're
actually
reasonable
numbers
and
the
builders
supply
has
a
nice
incentive,
the
impact
hour
rate,
it
rewards
the
impact
hours
low,
but
it
doesn't
give
them
too
much
funds
and
look
at
the
backers
rage
quit
64
and
80.
A
That's
just
beautiful
that
just
goes
even
more
with
the
meme.
The
strategy
here
is
really
to
get
the
community
at
the
beginning
to
be
like
really
out
there
and
be
like
oh,
we
have.
A
We
have
to
get
at
least
this
much
funds
you
know
and
be
incentivized
at
the
beginning,
and
then
once
we
hit
that
goal,
then
it
can
there's
a
really
strong
alignment
of
incentives
for
the
people
have
put
in
to
continue
to
tell
their
friends
because
the
more
they
tell
their
friends
the
more
percentage
of
the
supply
that
they'll
get
and
the
higher
their
rates
quit
percentage.
A
A
This
is
eight
percent,
okay,
we're
taking
it
we're
taking
it
to
the
next
level,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
people
who
are
participating
are
value
aligned
that
they're
in
it
for
the
right
reasons
there
we
could
do
that
with
the
membership
ratio,
4.5
membership
ratio,
but
this
this
proposal
does
it
way
more
explicitly.
It
says
if
you're
going
to
put
money
in
this
you're
in
it
for
the
right
reasons.
A
It
really
stacks
up
well
with
the
other
proposals.
If
you
look
at
it
has
a
very
similar,
it
has
a
very
similar
dow
strategy
to
83,
which
is
the
top
proposal.
It's
almost
the
exact
same
dial
strategy
has
a
a
very
it
has
a
really
strong
vote
proposal
buffer
that
with
a
similar
number
to
this,
it's
just
twice
the
price
basically
and
to
83
it
has
a
very
reasonable
membership
ratio.
It's
right
in
the
middle
of
the
lap
of
the
of
the
road,
and
it
it
just
it.
A
It
hits
the
sweet
spot.
It's.
It
is
the
middle
proposal
of
all
the
proposals.
That's
my
time,
but
the
thing
that
no
other
proposal
has
is
a
real
good
meme.
I
mean
think
about
what
we
can
do
with
this.
We
can
say
we
can
say:
hey.
You
know
what
the
secret
to
the
universe
is:
yeah
42..
What's
the
secret
token
engineering
yeah,
you
know
what
eight
eight
okay,
who
wants
to
challenge
me
on
this.
G
Yeah
yeah,
I
see
I
love
how
it's
like
a
tv
show
so
yeah.
I
want
to
tell
you,
I
don't
like
the
number
eight,
because
it's
like
the
infinite
and
I
don't
and
I
had
a
party
in
which
I
I
rode
a
bike,
a
fixed
bike
for,
like
maybe
12
hours,
and
I
was
thinking
that
the
that
the
the
things
the
the
wheels
of
the
bike
were
like
the
infinite.
G
G
Yeah,
I
don't
know,
but
I
like,
for
example,
I
like
how
usually
it's
everything
for
example,
I
like
a
lot
how
grabby
codes
that
it's
usually
everything
very,
very
clean
and
very
I
don't
know
very,
very
clear.
G
A
G
I
have
to
go
I'll
see
you
guys
later.
E
Yeah,
I
really
don't
like,
like
the
high
street,
I
feel
it's
a
bit
high,
like
you
make
people
to
stay
right
like
eight
percent
and
also
like
the
illusion
for
with
the
builders
I
mean
unless
you
reach,
like
the
mass
max
goal,
I
don't
feel
people
it's
strange
quitting
at
all
right
that
I
mean
like
at
the
middle
of
the,
for
example
like
64
like
it's,
I
feel
it's
a
bit
a
lot
and
it
starts
to
get
better,
but
really
at
the
end
right
when.
A
So,
what's
interesting
about
the
rage,
quit
percent
first
off,
it's
a
it's
in
many
ways,
part
of
the
strategy
of
eight
is
to
say,
listen!
You're!
If
you
don't
want,
if
you,
if
you're,
not
in
this,
for
the
right
reasons
right.
So
it's
it's
similar
to
the
membership
ratio,
but
it's
also
just
kind
of
in
the
middle
right.
It
goes
from
64
to
80..
This
one
goes
from
45
to
80
82.,
it's
very
close
to
81..
It's
it's
not
that
far
off
from
83,
which
has
the
lowest
hatched
view.
A
D
Okay,
let's
do
this
so
septi
you,
don't
you
don't
like
some
of
the
stuff
from
number
82
guess
what
there's
a
fix?
Lauren,
you
don't
like
you,
don't
like
the
quorum
to
be
too
low.
Don't
worry,
we
have
a
fix
and
this
fix
is
called
the
million
dollar
target
goal.
D
Why
do
I
think
it's
our
safest
option
so
far?
First
of
all,
we
start
off
by
the
self-commitments.
It's
a
safe
place
to
start,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
don't
want
money.
Actually,
we
want
a
lot
of
money
and
this
is
a
proposal
that
aims
towards
like
getting
the
most
amount
of
money
based
in
our
cultural,
build.
D
We
want
people
to
be
rewarded
and
we
want
backers
also
to
put
in
a
lot
of
money.
So
I
think
this
is
the
proposal
that
gives
them
like
the
the
most
permission.
So
I
think,
there's
like
a
midpoint
in
between
the
money
that
us
builders
want
to
get
and
the
money
that
backers
want
to
put
in
and
what's
what's
the
thing
about
this
with
a
with
a
hatch
tribute
not
as
high
as
eight
but
just
like
perfectly
balanced
in
a
lucky
seven.
D
We
are
able
to
save
like
some
of
some
of
these
funds,
to
what
we
think
is
gonna
be
important
once
the
comments
upgrade
comes.
So
what
what?
D
What
I
don't
like
about
number
83
is
that
it
aims
towards
like
getting
a
lot
of
money,
but
I
think
there
is
like
this
incoherence
with
the
the
dow
parameters
where
we
need,
like
a
lot
of
of
where
we
need
a
lot
of
support
for
for
some
of
the
for
some
of
the
proposals
and
because
of
the
way
we
have
built
this
like
culturally.
I
feel
that
empirically
builders
have
more
experience
getting
getting
closer
to
an
agreement
and
to
pass
proposals.
D
So
actually,
I
feel
that
number
80
reflects
this
in
a
much
better
way.
Why?
Because
we
still
have
a
bunch
of
money,
we
have
the
the
collective
conviction
to
have
a
seven
percent
hatch
tribute,
and
we
also-
and-
and
we
also
like
look
forward
to
to
passing
like
some
to
passing,
like
the
proposals
that
are
gonna-
allow
us
to
start
the
the
commons
upgrade.
D
So
what
I
think
is
that
like,
if,
if
we
want
to
hit
like
all
of
the
spots-
and
we
want
also
like
dial
parameters
that
are
coherent
with
what
we're
planning
on,
I
think
by
far
number
80-
is
our
best
proposal.
D
And
so
I
don't
know
I'll
just
like
we're
like
in
political
campaigns,
we're
almost
done
in
mexico.
So
I'll
just
go
with
that
and
we're
still
in
time
to
make
a
difference.
D
We
aren't
that
far
away,
let's
get
together
and
let's
pass
a
proposal
that
actually
like
makes
sense,
and
it's
coherent
like
all
the
way
through
and
rewards
people
as
it
is,
and
at
the
same
time
gets
us
a
bunch
of
money
and
yeah.
We
get
to
make
a
decision
based
in
our
empirical
process
of
making
them
so
yeah.
I
think
that's
it
for
me,
and
this
is
like
a
perfect
song.
If
someone
wants
to
like
start
start
fighting
over
this.
B
B
Okay,
so
I
mean
just
starting
at
the
top.
I
really
think
that,
okay,
if
you're,
only
raising
the
minimum
goal,
the
backers
rage,
quit
percentage
is
45.
So,
like
the
rage
quit
percentage
is
like.
Okay,
you
want
to
leave.
Then
you
can
take
this
amount,
this
percentage
of
the
funds
you
put
in
okay,
you
can
only
take
it
45,
it's
less
than
half
of
what
you
put
in.
B
So
it's
like
the
the
whole
concept
of
the
proposal,
in
my
opinion,
is
like
trying
to
encourage
a
lot
of
money
trying
to
encourage
everyone
to
put
as
much
money
as
they
can
in,
but
not
necessarily
rewarding
or
taking
care
of
the
people
that
are
starting
to
get
involved
so
like
that
and
like
in
combination
with.
B
D
I
think,
but
there's
a
there,
but
there's
a
collective
conviction
right
like
who
are
the
people
that
are
going
to
be
able
to
throw
in
like
money
here
and
what
is
their
psychological
perspective
like
we
shouldn't
treat
these
people
distrusted
seed
as
if
they
were
in
for
the
gains
like,
I
think
that's
underestimating
them
like.
D
D
I
feel
that
we
can
like
take
a
step
and
take
a
risk
that,
in
the
end,
is
just
gonna
speak
for
itself
about
like
what
we
expect
to
get
from
this,
and
just
like
the
the
faith
the
community
has
in
this.
I
learned
you
had
an
example.
B
Yeah,
I
just
think
that,
like
it's
almost
like
you're
trying
to
trap
people
into
it,
like
I
mean
if
we
go
down
to
the
the
membership
ratio,
the
membership
ratio
for
this
one
is
like
super
high.
You
can
put
in
50
wrapped
excite
per
c
stack,
so
that
means
like
a
person
with
only
one
thousand
ish
c
stack
can
put
in
like
56
000
rap
decks
die,
which
is
really
a
lot
so
like
this
person.
E
Point,
oh
we're
not
going.
I
want
to
add
something
here
and
like
what
I
concerns
me
the
most
about
this.
E
This
proposal
is
not
like,
because
I
I
know
like
the
strategy,
but
might
be
like
having
the
builders
pushing
the
at
least
like
the
the
minimum
goal,
because
since
like
they
are
the
ones
who
are
getting
most
rewarded,
but
at
the
same
time
like
on
tc,
there
are
two
types
of
builders
and
it
seems
like
very
unfair
for
one
of
the
types
of
the
builders,
especially
for
the
ones
who
were
already
being
paid-
and
you
know
like
it's
like,
like
the
the
gap
it's
going
crazy
because,
like
even
if
they
put
all
the
money
they
earn
during
that
time,
the
gap
is
big
and
the
more
money
you
raise.
D
A
D
Like
I
think
that
the
reason
why
the
votes
are
like
I
mean
this
is
a
proposal
in
second
place,
and
I
I
get
a
feel
from
the
community
that
we
do
need
to
like
reward
better
our
builders
and
and
also
like.
I,
I
get
the
concern
about
like
the
the
backers
putting
in
like
so
much
money
and
not
not
getting
like
a
lot
out
of
it.
But
that's
what
the
hatch
tribute
is
for
like.
D
I
think
this
is
like
the
the
like
something
that
balances
both
builders
and
backers,
and
we
focus
on
on
passing
proposals
right
to
achieve
the
commons
upgrade
like,
as
I
think
I
feel
that
there
is
a
better
balance
in
between
builders
and
backers
if
their
common
goal
is
more
like
headed
towards
the
the
commons
upgrade
rather
than
benefiting
ragequit,
and
also
since
we
have
like
a
higher
maximum
goal,
there's
a
way
in
which
like
if,
if
we
reach
a
higher
amount,
there's
a
way
in
which
people
can
ragequit.
D
And
I
mean
it's
it's
not
as
far
as
as
other
proposals
like.
I
feel
that
if
we
raise
enough
money,
there's
a
chance
in
which
we
can
be
like
fairer
to
people
who
want
to
ragequit
and
at
the
same
time
like
we're
not
setting
that
bar
that
high,
because
our
minimum.
A
Goal
is
ourselves
you
like
you
like
80,
we
get
it,
we
get
it
but
we're
out
of
time.
Let's
move.
Let's
move
on
to
the
top
rated
proposal
right
now,
lauren,
I
believe
you're
gonna
show
this
one
83.
B
Hey
okay,
so
this
is
really
what
I
think
is
the
best
proposal.
The
reason
I
like
it.
A
lot
is
because
it's
quite
balanced
in
terms
of
like
taking
care
of
backers
and
taking
care
of
builders.
It's
like
all
of
the
numbers,
whether
you're
at
the
mini
goal
or
the
max
school,
are
working
out
pretty
fine,
and
so,
like
that's
just
a
general
overview,
and
then
also
I
really
like
the
simplicity
of
the
numbers
and
like
how
easy
it
is
to
communicate.
B
So
if
we
kind
of
like
start
at
the
top
with
like
the
minimum
and
maximum
goal,
it's
like
at
the
minimum
goal,
your
backers
rage,
quit
percentage
is
73.
So
even
if
you
only
raise
to
the
minimum,
then
rage
quitting
is
still
like
an
okay
option.
You're
like
okay.
I
get
still
like
most
of
my
money
back.
D
B
Like
just
nice
to
have
like
the
option
that
there's
the
flexibility
that
it's
possible,
you
know,
I
also
think,
like
the
impact
error
rate
at
the
minimum
goal
is
also
like
super
reasonable,
like
it's
27
wrapped
x
die
and
that's
if
we
raise
only
the
minimum
in
comparison
to
other
proposals
like
like,
I
think
81,
which,
like
the
minimum
goal,
only
has
like
16
rap
decks,
die
or
like
it's
like
way
too
low
or
like
at
the
for
proposal,
easy
80,
it's
just
like
really
high.
B
It's
like
the
builders
are
getting
way
too
much
for
like
the
amount
that
is
raised.
So
I
think
that
this
is
like
a
nice,
like
modest,
like
in
the
middle
kind
of
like
okay
rate
and
then
like
as
you
go
up,
it
goes
up
so
the
maximum
goal,
you're
getting
160
ish,
wrapped
ecsta
per
hour,
which
is
really
cool.
B
B
We
were
talking
about
the
troll
gate
fee
before,
like
with
proposal
81,
it's
like
okay,
so
you
know
it's
kind
of
encouraging,
like
the
toll
gate
fee
goes
into
the
commons,
so
it's
like
anyone
can
put
that
money
in
and
if
you
want
to
put
put
a
proposal
in
like
that
money
goes
to
the
comments
and
that's
great,
like
that's
great,
so
it's
like.
Maybe
maybe
people
want
to
put
ads
in
to
delay
the
comments,
but
then
that
money's
still
going
to
the
comments.
So
this
is
like
how
how
they
troll.
B
So
this
one
has
a
really
medium.
Okay,
like
troll
gate
fee.
It's
like
to
delay
the
comments
for
four
hours
you
have
to
put
in
a
thousand
wrapped
ex
die
which
to
me
is
like
it's
not
that
much
time
and
it's
kind
of
a
lot
of
money
delay.
The
comments
for
that
amount
of
time,
so
it's
like
discouraging
to
like
silly
proposals
but
at
the
same
time
it's
not
so
discouraging
that
there's
still
the
opportunity
to
be
like
raising
money
with
the
troll.
I
also
really
like
the
88
support
required.
B
I
feel
like
yeah,
I
feel
like
if
more
than
12
percent
of
the
people
don't
like
a
proposal
it
shouldn't
pass
and
I
think,
like
also
the
eight
percent
minimum
quorum,
is
like
a
really
happy
medium
like
especially
compared
to
like
the
other
proposals
I
don't
like
it.
Lower
10
is
like
kind
of
high.
This
is
like
a
really
happy
medium
balance.
Yeah.
I
also
really
like
about
this
proposal.
The
the
membership
ratio,
it's
again
like
right,
right
kind
of
in
the
middle.
B
It's
like,
I
think,
10.,
it's
10,
wrapped
x,
type
or
c
stack.
So
it's
like
you
can
like
the
kind
of
like
a
low,
a
low
c
stack
person
can
still
put
in
like
11
grand
it's
not
like
a
crazy
amount
where
like
we're
like
our
like
just
anybody
can
put
in
like
tons
of
money
into
the
commons.
But
it's
still
like
you
know.
It's
like
a
really
happy
medium,
like
proposal.
B
80
is
just
like
people
with
low
c
stack
can
be
like
a
huge
backer
and
like,
but
aren't
being
rewarded,
and
this
one
it's
like
taking
into
consideration
like
the
builders
and
the
backers
like
in
in
equal
balance.
Yeah,
so
I
mean
really
what
I
like
about
this
proposal
mostly
and
then
oh
yeah.
I
guess
I'm
always
forgetting
to
mention
like
the
like
the
simplicity
of
the
numbers.
I
don't
even
remember
oh
yeah,
so
the
total
supply
held
by
builders
at
the
minimum
goal
is
25
at
the
target
goal.
B
It's
20
at
the
max
goal.
It's
10!
It's
like
these,
like
nice
round
numbers.
So
then
it's
also
a
proposal.
That's
easy
to
communicate
outwardly!
It's
like
like!
I!
I
don't
really.
I
mean
the
only
thing
I
don't
really
like
about
proposal.
Number
eight
is
like
the
name
and
how
like
the
number,
eight
kind
of
like
gets
modeled
it's
like
a
not
easily
divided
number
people,
don't
just
like
think
of
it
round
so
like
in
this
proposal.
It's
like
you
have
like
nice,
even
number
numbers
for
your
targets.
B
D
Yeah
lauren:
what
are
some
of
your
thoughts
on
the
psychological
perception
of
reaching
a
minimum
goal
that
is
twice
our
self-commitment.
B
I
think
that
I
think
it's
like
not
unreasonable
that
we'll
be
able
to
raise
that
minimum
goal
based
on
our
400
000
soft
commit
right
now,
and
I
don't
know
like
the
psychology
of
like
trying
to
like
pressure
and
use
like,
like
fear,
in
order
to
motivate
people
to
put
money
into
the
comments
like
isn't,
I
don't
know
it
just
doesn't
feel
like
aligned
with
my
values
like.
B
I
want
people
to
join
the
comments
because
they
want
to
and
because
they're
like
hey
look,
we
raised
them
like,
let's
put
more
okay
great,
like
I
want
this
sort
of
like
collective
positivity,
and
I
think
that's
something
I
love
about
the
token
engineering
commons
is
that
we're
all
supporting
each
other.
So
it's
like.
I
don't
know
why
manipulate
people
based
on
like
fear
and
insecurity,
when
you
can
motivate
them
by
taking
care
of
them.
B
I
didn't
understand
the
fear
part.
I
think
it's
like
in
some
of
the
other
proposals.
It's
like.
Oh
it's,
like
I
don't
know.
I
just
I
just
heard
like
people
discussing
why
they
like
it
in
in
terms
of
like,
oh
as
you
like
reach,
you
can.
Oh,
it
was
in
if
somebody
was
describing
proposal
82
and
having
like
an
81
having
like
a
lower
max
goal,
and
it's
like
when
you're
getting
closer
to
it.
B
It's
like
there's,
like
fear
like
people,
want
to
put
more
in
money
and
like
russia
and
russia
and
russia
and
like
rather
than
having
like
a
wider
boundary
where
people
are
like.
Oh,
I
I'm
gonna
do
what
I
want
to
do,
because
it
feels
right
for
me
rather
than
like
I'm
afraid
that
I'm
gonna
get
locked
out
in
like
the
fomo.
You
know.
C
B
B
I
don't
think
it's
heavily
biased
towards
backers
at
all.
I
think,
like
it
has
the
membership
ratio
of
10
right,
so
it's
like,
if
anything
like
80,
is
not
biased
towards
taking
care
of
backers
but
biased
towards
allowing
like
newbie
backward
backers
like
people
who
don't
have
a
lot
of
experience
not
allowed
a
lot
of
c
stack.
They
can
put
in
a
lot
of
funds
in
this
one.
B
It's
like
a
nice
happy
medium
like
the
maximum
that,
like
someone's
super
fresh,
can
put
in
because
we're
dealing
with
the
trusted
seed
here
is
eleven
thousand
rap
decks
die.
So
I
mean
I
just.
I
think
that,
like
in
this
case,
it's
like,
we
have
the
the
right
balance
in
between
like
encouraging
people
to
put
in
money,
but
also
making
sure
that
the
people
are
people
who
are
actively
involved
and
also
that
they
feel
good.
I.
C
D
So
something
that
really
really
makes
me
nervous
is
that
these
backers
don't
have
like
as
much
experience
as
builders
taking
collective
decisions,
and
the
support
that
is
needed
for
for
a
proposal
to
pass
is
way
too
high,
and
if
they
don't
agree,
they
can
rage
quit
like
with
a
like,
with
a
super
low
hatch
tribute,
so
that
that
really
like
worries
me,
like
the
an
experience
of
the
hatch
down
taking
collective
decisions
in
in
just
like,
if
they
don't
agree,
they
can
just
leave
like
as
if
they
didn't
know
what
they
were
getting
into.
D
B
Okay,
well,
I
guess
this
is
like
the
same
like
our
backers
and
our
builders
are
still
going
to
be
similar.
People
like
our
like
the
the
potential
to
be
a
bigger
backer
is
based
on
your
c
stack,
and
so
it's
like,
like
our
backers
and
our
builders
are
like.
Are
it's
it's
the
right
balance?
B
You
know
it's
not
like,
like
small
people
can
put
in
tons
of
money,
it's
like
the
people
who
are
putting
in
more
money
also
have
more
c
stack,
are
also
like
earning
more
impact
hours,
who
are
also
like
more
committed
to
the
token
engineering
commons.
So
I
just
like,
don't
really
worry
so
much
about
the
specific
percentage,
because
I
don't
have
like
just
two
clear
camps
like
in
some
of
the
other
proposals,
where
it's
like
more
divided
here,
it's
like
somewhere
more
in
between,
I
don't
know,
does
that
make
sense.
A
Yeah,
okay,
so
now
I
want
to
do
a
quick
round
and
especially
with
new
people,
to
hear
what
their
least
favorite
proposal
is.
You
don't
have
to
say
what
your
favorite
proposal
just
your
least
favorite
proposal,
I'll
I'll
start
with
merlin
merlin.
What
was
your
least
favorite
proposal
and
then
passages.
F
Really,
I
I'm
not
sure
I'm
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
about
all
what
you
say
because,
oh
all
part
of
you
are
really
interesting.
First,
I
I
didn't
like
the
the
meme
one,
because
even
80,
it's
really
cool
to
to
mean
that,
but
in
fact
it's
also
hard
to
explain.
I
mean
why
this
number-
oh,
we
don't
know-
I
mean
it's
like.
A
C
C
C
A
C
Eight
percent
82
least
favorite
wacky
numbers.
I
don't
like
it
sorry
dude.
C
D
I'll
pass
it
to
manu.
C
A
Wow
this
is
blowing
my
mind.
Do
you
guys
not
see
doge?
Did
you
see
that
did
he
do?
Did
you
miss
that?
Were
you
guys
around
like
okay?
Fine?
Well,
my
least
favorite
is
80..
I
think
it
gives
too
much
impact
our
people,
but
with
that
we're
done.
Thank
you
guys
so
much
and
vote
for
82,
because
it's
the
best
no
just
kidding.