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A
B
B
A
Thank
you
man,
so
a
quick
reminder
that
there
is
this
text
channel
for
our
for
our
call,
so
you
can
turn
that
on
I've
been
really
digging
this.
It's
like
a
super
way,
a
super
nice
way
of
being
able
to
ask
questions
and,
like
still
be
able
to
keep
the
flow
going
of
the
conversation.
A
C
Wow,
that's
a
good
question.
I
think
it's
going
to
take
some
time
like
I.
I
can
easily
see
the
tc
bringing
in
revenue,
probably
in
just
a
few
months.
I
don't
know
if
three
six,
something
like
that,
but
economically
self-sustainable-
I
don't
know,
probably
more
in
the
year
year
and
a
half
or
even
two.
I
think
we
we
should
realistically
expect
some
ups
and
downs
before
reaching
that
point
and
I'll
pass
it
over
to
rex.
D
B
I
think
we
will
see
that
at
least
year
two
years,
and
I
think
it
will
depend
mostly
in
in
the
speed
in
which
we
do
our
different
initiatives,
I'm
probably
in
the
amount
of
people
involved
with.
D
B
So
I
guess
that
will
that
will
affect,
but
yeah
I'll
pass
it
to
gene
thanks,
mr
bearing
yeah,
I'm
gonna,
be
I
don't
want
to
say
pessimistic,
but
I
think
a
little
bit
more.
I
project
a
little
bit
more
outward
that
it's,
maybe
even
maybe
a
lot
of
a
three
to
five
year
time,
scale
that,
as
we
gain
more
ability
to
develop
some
revenue,
that
our
scope
will
inevitably
grow
as
well,
that
the
number
of
people
involved
will
grow
as
well.
B
Such
that
we'll
we'll
feel
a
little
bit
more
freedom
and
liberty
and
funding
new
working
groups
and
sustaining
more
members,
but
that
that
will
inevitably
push
out
the
the
time
scale
for
complete
sustainability,
so
yeah.
I
think
it
would
be
ideal
to
take
a
longer
longer,
medium
to
longer
term
ratio
than
demanding
sustainability.
B
Sure
I
have
no
idea
because,
like
there
is
not
no
one,
I
really
thought
when
we
were
deploying
this
like
the
abc
was
going
to
be
so
sustainable
and
I
mean
I
would
I
would
not.
We
cannot
say
it's
not
because
we
then,
until
the
end,
like
it's
still
like
live
project,
like
intention
is
like
at
some
point.
There
would
be
a
surreal
amount
in
the
you
know
if
everyone
starts
to
sell
because
okay,
this
is
failing.
B
This
is
failing
everyone's
selling
and
then
the
bonding
course
was
supposed
to
all
these
challenges
is
generating
ex
attributes
and
then,
when
you
have
like
a
little
amount
of
token
holders,
those
token
holders
are
holding
the
common
pool,
which
is
higher
than
the
value
of
their
tokens,
and
it
creates
buy
pressure.
B
So
people
need
incentivized
to
white
easy
but
of
course
like
so
far
like
this
is
like
like
before
dying,
I
guess
but
yeah
I
don't
understand
so
much,
but
without
what
I
want
to
say
like
we
don't
have
another
idea
like
like
we
say
we're
working
on
stuff,
but
I
you
know
like
in
order
to
say,
okay,
this
is
going
to
take
this
amount
of
time.
I
first
should
know
what
what
we
will
try,
what
what
we're
building
to
make
that
possible.
So
yeah
back
to
your
video.
A
A
That
last
note,
hey
cryptoz,
welcome,
while
you're
loading
up
here
I'll
answer
it,
and
then
you
can
just
think
for
a
sec.
The
question
is:
what's
your
best
guess,
on
how
long
before
the
tec
becomes
economically
self-sustainable,
so
I'll
go
first
yeah.
A
I
think
it's
going
to
be
probably
like
a
a
year
and
a
half
and
that's
based
on
the
assumption
that
we
get
a
handle
on
our
costs
that
we
bring
our
costs
way
down
from
where
they
are
today,
and
so
I
think,
actually,
we
may
be
heading
into
kind
of
a
a
period
where
the
tec
kind
of
has
to
contract
a
fair
amount
and
really
just
focus
on
like
what
the
core
services
like
what
the
core
value
is
that
we're
contributing
to
the
commons
to
the
mission
of
the
tdc
and
then
and
then
by
focusing
on
that
set
of
services
and
that
set
of
value.
A
We
will
slowly
start
to
grow
back
up,
and
I
think
that
that'll
be
like
a
year
and
a
half
and
we
won't
be
completely
self-sustainable.
But
what
does
that
really
mean?
I
mean,
I
think
I
don't
think
that
we'll
be
break
even
in
terms
of
just
like
revenues
or
even
just
token
utility.
My
guess
is
that
we
will
still
be
relying
on
funders
to
help
basically
pay
for
the
vision
that
we
have
cryptozak.
How
about
you.
A
So
the
question
is:
what's
your
best
guess
on
how
long
before
the
tec
becomes
economically
self-sustainable.
C
B
A
Okay,
cool.
Thank
you!
Okay,
I'll
I'll!
Try
to
capture
my
notes
later,
so
some
some
quick
updates.
The
first
is
that
our
message
to
token
holders
is
now
up
on
the
forum
and
yeah
feel
free
to
to
check
it
out.
If
you,
if
you
haven't
read
that
note,
I
dr
I
wrote
it
but
then
got
a
bunch
of
feedback
from
a
handful.
A
And
then
also
got
some
help
from
jason
from
the
writer's
guild
and
also
taxil
who's.
Our
editor
in
the
writer's
guild
basic
plan
is
that
it's
going
up
in
the
forum
and
then
it's
now
probably
tomorrow,
eduardo
is
going
to
be
hey.
Griff
welcome
gm.
A
So
just
doing
some
updates
and
actually
before
I
finish
that
up,
do
you
want
to
answer
our
check-in
question,
which
is
what's
your
best
guess
on
how
long
before
the
tec
becomes
economically
self-sustainable.
F
I
would
argue
that
we
already
are
because
if
people
sell
the
token,
then
twelve
percent
of
the
sales
will
go
to
us
right
now,
it's
ten
percent
or
once
we
execute
the
vote.
I
don't
know
if
that
vote's
been
executed
or
not,
it
will
be.
Ten
percent
of
the
sales
go
to
us,
so
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
money
sitting
there
as
income,
and
we
have
a
token
that
we
hold
a
bunch
of
and
we
have
assets
and
I
feel
like
we
are
sustainable.
F
We
raised
all
of
this
money
so
we're
in
the
black
already
and
it's
kind
of
like
we're,
choosing
where
to
put
the
bar
right,
we're
choosing
where
to
put
the
line
and
we're
putting
the
line
at
what
we
had
at
launch
or
where
we
had
when
sample
started.
You
know-
and
we
would
say:
oh
we're
in
the
red
now,
but
ics
is
already
sustainable,
with
lots
of
token
methodologies
to
token
economic
systems
to
keep
us
sustainable.
F
Now,
when
do
we
start
like
really
kicking
in
revenue
and
and
bringing
in
products
and
those
sorts
of
things
that
kind
of
question
yeah?
I
like
that.
I,
like
the
one-year
mark,
I
bet
we'll,
have
more
revenue
than
like
new
revenue
coming
in
as
we
have
going
out
and
we'll
be
accumulating
money
in
our
treasuries
within
a
year.
I
would
I
would
like
I.
I
would
imagine.
A
Okay,
cool,
thank
you.
So
I
just
given
an
update
on
kind
of
what's
been
happening.
Token
holder
message
went
out
on
the
forum
and
eduardo
is
going
to
be
doing
he's
going
to
be
himself,
but
then
also
handing
it
off
to
a
few
stewards.
Doing
outreach,
basically
direct
messages
on
discord
and
telegram
to
just
yeah,
basically
do
outreach
to
hatchers
there's
this
question:
that's
come
up
about
like
how
do
we
over
time
expand
it
from
just
the
list
of
hatchers?
A
We
have
to
include
all
token
holders,
and
so
that's
gonna,
that's
gonna,
be
a
project
in
and
of
itself
thinking
about
how
we
actually
motivate
token
holders
to
actually
self-identify,
hey
mitch,
welcome
and
yeah.
So
how?
How
do
we
do
that?
How
do
we
basically
get
people
to
actually
self-identify,
and
you
know
like
there
may
be
like
ideas
about
like
on
the
convert
page
having
some
pathway
there
for
people
to
actually
self-identify
either
discord
handles
or
emails
or
whatever?
A
But
basically,
I
think
this
comes
down
to
making
it
attractive,
making
it
so
that
the
token
utility
that
there's
that
there's
some
utility
there
then
can
be
tied
to
not
just
a
wallet,
but
maybe
a
discord
handler.
A
Other
updates
bear
and
nt,
and
I
have
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
on
clarity
and
just
like
basically
helping
us
to
get
our
ourselves
organized.
There's
going
to
be
a
lot.
I
mean
there
already
is
a
lot
of
activity,
that's
flowing
through
sampo,
and
so
in
a
minute,
I'm
just
going
to
do
a
quick
walkthrough
of
some
of
the
new
features
on
clarity,
so
that
we
all
have
a
understanding
of
how
we're
organizing
ourselves
and
then
we're.
A
Meeting
tomorrow,
the
first
meeting
of
the
sample
fund
manager,
so
this
is
basically
digging
into
the
treasury
question.
We've
got
probably,
I
think,
six
seven
people
who
are
interested
in
this,
which
is
great
and
so
we're
going
to
be
basically
tackling
a
few.
A
few
challenges
right
up
front.
One
of
the
biggest
is
going
to
be
like
basically
coming
up
with
a
policy
for
how
we
want
to
handle
treasury
and
do
that
in
a
safe
way
that
doesn't
put
our
hard-earned
funds
at
risk,
but
that
still
generates
some
yield.
A
So
let
me
do
this
now,
I'm
going
to
switch
over
and
we're
going
to
do
a
little
bit
of
a
demo
on
clarity
and
like
how
so
clarity,
basically
just
shipped
a
major
new
release
last
week
and
the
richie
vanilla
who's,
the
head
of
clarity
was
nice
enough
on
friday
to
kind
of
walk
me
through
how
to
set
this
up
in
a
way
that
will
help
us
a
lot
better
at
tracking
our
project.
So
I'm
going
to
show
you
kind
of
how
we
do
that.
A
F
A
Like
every
working
group
has
their
google
doc
page
where
the
agendas
are
that's,
this
is
where
ours
is
the
just
going
to
the
top
here,
really
quickly,
I'm
going
to
come
back
to
the
roadmap
in
a
minute.
This
is
just
all
of
that,
so
it's
also
a
wiki
and
a
project
management
solution.
So
this
is
where
all
of
our
documents
are.
A
These
are
the
various
groups
we
have
in
sample.
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
a
lot
of
detail
on
this
part
today,
because
we'll
we'll
talk
about
this
in
in
like
a
week
or
so,
but
basically
these
are
the
the
primary
workflows
and
kind
of
activity
streams
that
we've
got
going
on
in
sampo.
A
They
have
the
analysts,
it's
the
work
that
rex
and
attic
have
been
doing
and
along
with
zeptimus
and
so
you'll
see
in
a
sec,
some
of
that
I'll
use
that
as
a
sample
we'll
go
into
the
roles.
This
is
the
main
thing,
the
roadmap,
so
basically,
what
you
can
do
is
you
can
have
milestones
so
here
you
see.
This
is
all
the
stuff
that
we're
doing
in
june.
This
is
all
the
stuff
we're
doing
in
july,
all
the
stuff
in
august.
A
So
our
basically
our
proposal
that
we
put
up
to
the
community
and
the
community
agreed
to
fund
is
now
in
here.
So
you
can
see
here
this
one's
pretty
much
done
at
this
point.
This
is
work
with
the
transparency
to
build
a
real-time
snapshot
of
the
treasure
of
the
tc
treasuries.
A
Rex
did
that
and
it
looks
super
cool.
I
think
we've
shown
that
in
previous
meetings
and
zeptum
has
just
agreed
he's
going
to
integrate
that
into
the
dashboard.
So
you
know
we'll
I
mean
I
think
we
can
pretty
much
count
that
as
as
done
so
rex,
when
you
get
a
chance.
Just
let
you
do
the
honors
of
coming
in
here
and
you
just
do
the
done.
Click
done,
let's
take
another
example
of
something
that's
like
midway
through,
so
you
can
see
here
that
this
is
like
this
is
a
goal
communicate.
A
This
is
one
of
the
goals
that
we
pledged.
We
would
do
in
the
funding
plan.
Communicate
high
level
plans
token
holders,
and
then
you
can
see
here
that
this
is
like
a
project
write
the
messages
open
holders
you
can
see,
you
got
feedback
from
stewards
got
the
writer's
guild
to
review,
did
have
tax,
will
do
it
and
pass
and
then
drafted
the
dm
summary
for
discord
telegram.
Those
are
all
done.
A
This
whole
thing's
done,
and
so
now
you
can
see
anybody
who
wants
to
like
come
in
and
see
what's
happening
with
the
sample
proposal,
we're
really
trying
to
maintain
transparency
and
all
the
stuff
we're
doing
so
you
anybody
can
come
in
and
take
a
look
at
all
the
major
projects
and
goals
that
we
agree
right
here
on
this
board
here
and
so
then
you
can
see
that
each
one
of
these
things
will
set
up
a
sample
work
structure,
we're
in
the
middle
of
that
this
is
the
treasury
policy
and
strategy
to
begin
earning
yield
et
cetera.
A
So
you
get
the
you
get.
The
basic
idea.
Last
thing
I
wanted
to
show
is
that
each
one
of
these
groups
has
its
own
little
page
here
so
like.
If
you.
F
A
Let's
do
fund
managers,
so
here
you
can
see
these
are
the
various
projects
for
the
treasury
management
stuff
and
it's
all
organized
by
the
team
same
with
notes,
and
then
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
this
today.
But
do
you
actually
have
the
ability
to
pay
outs
through
to
clarity
as
well?
A
So
that's
probably
enough
of
the
show
and
tell,
but
let
me
just
take
a
break
here
for
a
second
see
if
anybody
has
any
questions
or
comments
or
things.
A
Nope,
okay,
okay,
so
we're
going
to
be
setting
this
up
over
the
next
couple
weeks
to
get
all
of
the
permissions
right
and
stuff
like
that,
so
people
can
be
able
to
come
in
and
just
start
contributing
on
project
like
in
a
permissionless
way.
So
that's!
That's!
That's
one
of
our
main
goals.
A
Let's
talk
about
token
utility,
so
this
is
one
of
the
objectives
that
we
have
for
as
part
of
the
sample
funding
plan,
and
the
idea
is
basically
how
do
we
generate
utility
and
demand
c
token,
and
so
this
came
up
in
the
stewart's
call
today,
and
it's
something
that
eduardo
and
I
have
been
working
on
is
basically
coming
up
with
a
tighter
definition
of
what
it
means
to
be
a
member
of
the
tec,
and
so
what
we've
been
proposing-
and
this
will
go
this
will
be.
A
You
know
this
will
be
a
formal
proposal,
kind
of
a
cultural
proposal
that
will
go
to
the
tc.
But
what
we're?
What
we're
proposing
is
that
there's
like
a
little
checklist
that
would
include
orientation
so
you've
been
through
orientation.
A
You've
had
praise
activated,
you've
signed
a
community
covenant
on
gardens
and
you've
done
this
idea
of
initial
community
offering
so
the
initial
community
offering
is
just
this
starts
off
very
simple.
The
idea
is
that,
from
the
community
perspective,
this
is
kind
of
like
a
gift
economy.
So
the
idea
is
like
when
you
come
in,
you
don't
start
off
by
receiving
you
start
off
by
giving
and-
and
in
this
case
it's
just
like
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself-
we
might
have
some
prompts
that
are
like.
Oh
hey.
A
So
so
yeah,
just
some
simple-
I'm
not
gonna
go
into
details
on
this,
because
this
is
less
a
sample
thing.
That's
more
of
a
that's
more
of
something
that
communities
the
question
that
comes
up,
though,
that
we've
been
wrestling
with,
and
we
we
put
to
the
stewards
today
is:
are
we
looking
at
option
a
or
auction
b,
so
option
a
is
basically
to
be
a
member?
You
have
to
be
a
tec
token
holder
and
option
b
is
like
these
are
different
things
right.
A
You
can,
you
can
be
a
tec
member
and
you
can
be
a
tc
token
holder
and
there's
some
people
who
are
both,
and
so
what
I
personally
am
advocating,
I'm
recommending
is
a
because
I
think
it
can
simplify
things
a
lot.
It
also
encourages
people
to
own
the
token
and
that's
good,
because
it
means
that
we'll
have
more
people
who
are
eligible
to
be
to
do.
A
You
know
to
vote
right
on
on
the
on
our
conviction
voting,
but
it's
also
like,
I
think,
more
of
a
philosophical
thing
of
like
really
encouraging,
even
if
it's
just
a
minimal
amount
of
holding
the
token
that
people
will
have
like
at
least
a
psychological
stake.
Economic
stake
in
the
future
of
this
organization.
A
So
I'm
gonna
are
some
reasons
why
this
this
matters
that
comes
down
to
this
question
of
token
gates,
but
I'm
going
to
pause
for
a
second
here
just
to
make
some
space
in
case.
There's
questions
or
comments
about
this
about
this.
D
F
A
I
think
it
actually
be
pretty
straightforward.
It's
like
in
order
to
so
one
way
that
we're
looking
at
handling
this
question
of
membership
is
actually
issuing
an
nft
like
we
don't
know
how
how
how
how
freaked
out
free
completely.
We
would
update
these.
But
it's
like
an
nft
that
marks
that
you
are
a
member
of
the
tc.
You've
actually
met
these
criteria.
A
Now
this
would
be.
This
would
really
just
be
more
like
an
nft,
just
a
simple
nft
like
if
you
meet
these
criteria.
We
issue
you,
you
know
we'll
have
your
wallet,
and
so
we
can.
We
can
issue
an
nft.
It
could
be
a
poep
too,
like
their
details,
of
how
we
would
do
this
not
yet
determined.
This
is
more
conceptual
at
this
point,
but
actually,
probably
not
that
hard
to
do,
even
if
it's
manual
to
begin
with,
and
so.
B
D
C
I
have
more
like
a
question,
but
it's
more
like
on
the
definition
of
member
per
se,
because
I
can
see
benefits
for
both
the
option
a
and
b,
but
I'm
not
really
like.
C
I
go
back
down
to
what
does
being
a
member
of
the
tc
means
and
I
think
that's
important
the
distinction
to
make
like
I
don't
know,
but
would
you
like
I'm
what
I'm
thinking
is?
Would
you
require
an
experienced
talking
engineer
to
help
to
hold
tokens
to
be
a
member
of
the
commons?
That's
kind
of
my
question
so
like
I
can
see
how?
Maybe
you
have
two
tires
of
membership?
C
Where
I
don't
know,
maybe
contributors
go
for
the
option
a
and
then
you
have
option
b
for
another
set
of
the
community,
but
that's
kind
of
the
issue
I'm
having.
C
Would
you
like
does
holding
tc,
make
you
more
or
less
a
part
of
supposed
token
during
commons.
A
Yeah,
so
you
know
we
could
set
that
threshold
to
be
0.5,
tec
or
0.1.
I
mean
the
it.
I
don't
think
it's
actually
or
won
you
know,
even
if
it
was
just
one
tdc
right
like
I
think
it's
not
so
much
an
economic
hardship
issue
right.
There
may
be
some
logistical
issues
to
like
getting
people
through
the
tec
convert
and
to
actually
buying
the
token.
A
But
I
don't
think
that
this
is.
This
doesn't
have
to
be
an
economic
issue
like
a
accessibility
issue.
I
guess
the
other
thing
I'll
just
mention
about
like
what
happens
is
question
about
like
what
happens
if
somebody
has
nft,
but
then
they
sell
their
tec
right.
So
I
think
that,
as
we're
looking
at
token
gating
for
say,
discord-
and
we
haven't
even
talked
about
why
we
would
do
that.
But
let's
just
hold
off
on
that.
For
one
thing
we
could
probably
what
is
it
erc
1155?
A
You
can
do
token
gating
that
way.
So
in
this
case,
what
we
could
do,
maybe
is
basically
say,
like
you,
have
to
have
the
the
tec
nft
and
then
you
have
to
be
also
holding
some
tc
token,
and
then
you
get
access
to
this.
This
chat.
A
A
Does
that
you
know
what
what
happens
if
we
were
to
require
token
holding
to
be
that
you
know
to
be
one,
be
a
member.
That's
really,
I
think
the
first
question.
B
For
me,
I
think
maybe
would
be
like
a
combination
of
the
two
options
I
think
for
option
a.
I
would
agree
that
to
be
a
member,
you
need
to
meet
the
criteria
and
also
hold
tc,
but
then
you
could
also
be
talking
holder
only
right
like
like
I
would.
I
would
keep
the
option
b,
but
then
on
the
green
circle.
You
could
add
the
purple
circle
around
it
kind
of
combine
the
two
things.
So
then
you
could
be
like
a
tech
member.
B
A
I
think
so
well,
I
think
that
that
is
a
because
in
a
you
can
be
just
you
can
just
speculate
right
like
you
can
be
in
the
purple.
I
don't
think
we
ever
want
to
be
in
a
situation
where
we
prevent
people
from
just
holding
the
token
and
and
and
and
wanting
to
speculate
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
good
bet
longer
term
so,
but
without
having
to
do
any
of
the
kind
of
like
become
a
member.
A
B
A
D
D
Like
contributor
member,
or
is
the
definition
broader
like
say
for
me,
which
I
joined
like
two
months
ago
before
contributing,
should
I
have
brought
in
tc
tokens,
I
think
where
you
want
to
like
for
option
a
it's
very
critical
to
kind
of
think
about
where
this
gate
is
going
to
be,
because
what
you
don't
want
to
do
is
to
disincentivize
participation.
C
I'm
not
sure,
but
I'm
I'm
thinking
like
how
could
this
be
like
a
like
a
live
thing
so
that
it's
always
it's
always
evolving,
say
you
start
with
the
option
b,
but
then
we
kind
of
like
we
respect
members
as
in
the
option
b,
but
the
goal
is
always
to
end
up
in
option
b
in
option
a.
C
I
don't
know
if
that
even
makes
sense,
but
I'm
really
concerned,
I
think,
of
what
rex
is
saying,
is
totally
valid
and
I'm
also
really
concerned
about,
like
what
does
membership
does
even
mean
like
coming
back
again,
I'm
sure
I
don't,
let's
say
michael
sargon,
I'm
sure
he
holds
some
tec,
but
even
if
he
didn't
wouldn't
he
be
considered
like
a
proper
member
of
the
talking
engineering
community,
which
is
supposedly
the
the
people
we
try
to
represent
and
work
for
and
so
like
is
he
like?
C
Does
he
must
hold
tc
to
be
able
to
consider
himself
a
part
of
the
token
engineering
community.
A
Yeah,
I
there's
actually
two
related
questions
there,
like
one
is
with
michael's
argument.
I
love
it.
It's
like
there's
a
zargham
test
like
on
a
lot
of
these
things.
It's
fairly
interesting
is
like
you
know,
would
we
require
him
to
kind
of
go
back
and
like
do
orientation
and
do
an
initial
community
offering?
No,
I
don't
think
so
busy
you
know
like
there
are
a
bunch
of
people
who
are
busy
and
have
obviously
contributed
so
we'll
need
some
kind
of
like
process
for
dealing
with
people.
Who've
already
been
through
this
right.
A
We
can't
be
like
sticklers
and
say
like
oh,
you
need.
You
know
like
that.
That's
counterproductive
and
then
there's
this
other
question
that
in
some
ways
is
even
harder,
which
is
like.
Would
we
dissuade
a
token
engineer
from
participating
in
the
tc
by
requiring
token
holding?
But
I
I
just
feel
like
the
answer
is:
is
yes
we
would?
A
I
mean
if
we,
if
we're
serious,
about
driving
the
utility
of
this
token
up,
then
at
some
point
we
have
to
take
a
stand
and
say:
there's
a
difference
between
holding
this
token
and
not
holding
that's
my
personal
view,
but
you
know,
and
I
don't
think
it
has
to
be.
You
know
thousands
of
it
could
be
a
small
amount.
A
Let's
talk
for
a
minute
about
what
how
we
might
even
use
this
one
of
the
ideas
that's
floating
around
right
now
is
the
idea
that
we
might
have
to
start
even
just
in
discord
some
channels
that
had
like
some
extra
things
going
on
special
conversations
and
and
things
that
you
know
we'd
have
everything
that
we
have
today,
but
that
we
might
have
like
some
special,
maybe
interviews,
you
know
griff,
it
might
be
like
you
interviewing.
You
know
some
of
the
like
people
who
got
the
tc
started
might
be
some.
A
You
know
ygg.
It
might
be
like
some
like
insights
on
modeling.
I
don't
know
yet
what
it
would
be,
but
the
idea
would
be
having
some
sort
of
token
gate
to
to
getting
access
to
these
kind
of
premium
channels.
D
D
Like
those
say
for
for
all
of
those
people
which
are
kind
of
maybe
getting
salaries
or
getting
bounties
from
anything,
to
that
extent,
you
need
to
have
tokens
and
you
need.
You
need
to
be
a
part
of
the
ecosystem
and
actually
kind
of
I
don't
know,
invest
some
money.
I
just
I
don't
know.
D
Yeah,
maybe
not
that,
but
but
having
a
steak
anyway
beyond
extracting
die
from
the
common
pools.
A
Yeah,
I
mean
the
other
way
of
looking
this
looking
at
this
and
mitch
actually
be
interesting
to
hear
your
take
on
this
is
that
you
know
maybe,
as
part
of
the
onboarding
process,
when
people
get
oriented,
you
know
they're
praised
and
so
they're
automatically
they
automatically
get
on
tec
once
they've,
you
know
that
just
they're
participating
in
the
praise
process.
D
A
Yeah,
I
think
that
it
wouldn't
be
automatically
it
would
be
like
if
you
meet
these
criteria
of
the
having
been
onboarded.
You've
signed
a
covenant.
You
know
you
get
a
minimal
amount.
You
wouldn't
get
like
hundreds
of
tdc.
You
get
like
one
tec,
like
the
the
minimal
amount
that
we
would
require
to
be
a
member.
F
C
C
C
We
can
replicate
something
like
that
where
you
get
like
the
most
basic
membership
and
access
to,
like,
I
don't
know,
a
general
or
interruptory
member
chat,
but
then,
if
you
want
to
go
deeper,
you
have
to
buy
a
few
a
few
more
that's
one
thing
and
the
other
thing
I
think
it's
actually
pretty
smart,
like
thinking
about
grounding
membership
with
praise,
because
you
also
have
a
buffer
of.
I
think
it's
two
weeks
before
you
actually
receive
the
tc
token
in
which,
like
in
that
time,
that
could
be
used
to
to
further.
C
I
don't
know
in
the
design
of
the
process
of
boarding,
that's
time
that
could
be
used
to
prepare
the
people
before
they
actually
get.
The
token.
A
Okay,
this
is
all
this
is
really
good.
Thank
you.
I,
I
think
what
we're
gonna
do
is
eduardo
and
libya
are
going
to
be
talking
about
this
soft
gov
and
I'll
be
joining
them
too,
and
we'll
we'll
put
together
some
proposal
here.
I'm
sure
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
I
guarantee,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
make
progress
on
this,
because
if
we
really
want
to
do
any
kind
of
token
gating
we're
I
mean
yeah,
we
got
it.
A
We've
got
to
figure
out
what
it
means
you
know
do
we
do
we
just
do
that
with
the
tc
token,
or
do
we
layer
in
some
other
kind
of
like
cultural
mechanisms
that
which
is
kind
of
what
we're,
using
with
the
nft
for
proxy
for,
like
the
cultural
entry
into.
F
And
I
just
want
to
correct
something
I
said:
rex
is
actually
absolutely
right
about
poeps
being
nfts
and
transferable.
I
was
totally
wrong
there.
D
One
more
thing
I
would
say
on
this
is
that
whatever
we
do
decide
to
do,
oh
this,
I'm
like
a
newbie,
so
I
shouldn't
be
like
the
one
pointing
this
out.
We
shouldn't
stray
away
from
the
vision
of
like
being
a
like
a
non-hierarchical
community
like
we're
trying
to
be
a
commons,
not
some
and
from
my
understanding,
like
the
the
objective,
has
always
been
to
kind
of
have
a
pretty
flat
structure.
D
So
token
gating,
we
are
creating
it,
some
sort
of
pyramid.
So
whatever
we
do,
I
don't
think
that,
like
I
think
it
should
be
the
extremely
easy
or
that
whatever
we're
token
gating
isn't
crucial
to
like
active
participation,
isn't
a
barrier,
and
it
doesn't
give
you
like
massive
stress.
Special
privileges,
either
like
services
is,
is
a
great
idea.
It's
like
the
ones
you're
talking
about,
but
nothing
that
kind
of
gives
you
status
above
others
in
in,
like
holding
massive
amounts.
A
Yeah
so
there's
a
great
article
that
michael
zargham
and
kelsey
nabin
wrote
a
few
months
ago
or
actually
last
year
about
permissionless
doubts
and
I
did
a
riff
on
it
about
membership
and
basically
I
I
think
that
this
comes
down
to
the
question
of
as
long
as
the
protocols
are
clear
and
they're
open
and
anybody
can
access
them,
then
I
think
that
we're
good
the
minute.
We
start
like
only
allowing
certain
people
to
access
these
things
and
not
others,
or
we
hide
these
things.
A
F
A
If
we
make
these
protocols
open
just
like
any
protocols
on
the
blockchain,
if
it's
it's
accessible
to
everybody,
I
think
that
that's
fair
as
long
as
you
know
like
it's,
I
don't
think
this
is
about.
A
I
think
it's
fair
to
ask
people
to
do
some
work
in
order
to
get
into
something.
That's
like
the
nature
of
the
blockchain
proof
of
work
right
and
but
I
think,
if
we
start
like
being
secretive
about
it
or
we're
not
like
really
transparent,
then
we
start
running
into
problems.
A
A
At
this
point
to
talk
about
a
couple
weeks
ago,
we
were
exploring
this
idea
of
like
are
there
some
things
that
we
might
be
able
to
do
with
modeling
answer
some
of
the
questions
that
we
have
here
in
sampo,
and
so
I
he
and
I
were
going
back
and
forth
on
this
and
we
thought
well,
maybe
we'll
just
open
up
to
the
ygg.
Can
I
just
turn
it
over
to
you
for
this
part.
E
Yeah
thanks
gideon.
I
really
wanted
to
give
a
demo
of
a
few
modeling
examples
that
I
think
are
very
relatable.
I've
been
struggling
to
get
my
python
environment
set
up.
You
know
every
once
in
a
while
bleeding
edge
software
there's
a
new
release
and
things
just
don't
work.
So
a
lot
of
this
modeling
I
have
is
just
it's:
it's
not
rendering
I
use
a
cool
library
called.
I
use
a
stack
of
libraries
in
python
where
you
can
render
models
in
in
jupiter
and
just
nothing's
rendering
right
now.
E
So
I
think
I'll
skip
the
demo
for
today
and
just
like
gideon
said
we
can
have
an
open
discussion
about
how
we
might
want
to
apply
modeling
to
the
general
concepts
around
the
sampo
working
group.
So
for
any
of
you
that
have
participated
in
the
labs,
I
really
enjoy
sort
of
leading
an
interactive
development
environment.
E
One
of
the
demos
I
was
going
to
give
today
is
I've
been
doing
this
cash
discounted
cash
flow
modeling.
So
you
can
just
modulate
sort
of
the
interest
rate
and
things
like
annuities,
so
we
could
model.
Let's
say
we
have.
Let's
say
every
steward
is
paid
500
dollars
per
month
or
wrapped
x
die.
We
can
plot
out.
You
know
how
long
does
that
give
us
given
the
current
treasury?
E
Just
these
kinds
of
we
can
start
to
ask
questions
and
visualize
what
different
scenarios
might
look
like,
and
the
key
to
this
is
usually
isolating
the
parameters.
So
everyone
knows
the
famous
param
parties
that
led
us
to
where
we're
at
today.
So
we
want
to
get
to
a
point
where
we
understand
the
knobs
and
dials
and
switches
and
buttons
that
we
have
access
to.
What
are
all
the
decisions
we
can
make
and
what
kind
of
insights
can
we
get
on
the
implications
of
those
decisions?
E
So
if
we
change
the
structure
of
how
stewards
are
compensated,
if
we
change
the
structure
of
onboarding
stewards
to
the
community,
you
know
anything
you
can
quantify
and
get
a
numerical
handle
on.
We
can
begin
to
model
that
and
begin
to
expose
the
parameters
and
modeling
doesn't
give
all
the
answers.
But
it's
it's
a
very
powerful
thinking
tool
to
to
sit
down
with
sort
of
a
blank
canvas
and
say
what
do
we
want
to
look
at
in
the
system?
What
what?
What
can
we
numerically
identify?
E
E
But
there's
you
know
a
lot
of
people,
don't
use
python
and
just
do
this
in
excel
spreadsheets
or
google
sheets,
and
I
have
a
lot
of
respect
for
that.
I
think
that's
really
cool.
There
are
some
advanced
tools
that
we
can
use
like
cad
cad,
so
cad
cad
is
advanced,
but
it's
kind
of
simple.
At
the
same
time,
its
purpose
is
to
almost
like
bring
simplicity
into
complexity,
so
it
gives
you
a
standard
framework
where
you
basically
identify
all
the
metrics
of
your
system.
Whatever
you
can
measure
over
time,
it
might
be.
E
The
amount
of
wrapped
x
die
in
our
treasury,
for
example,
and
then
you
just
have
to
define
programmatically
the
how
things
change
so
they
might
say:
okay,
well,
our
treasury
changes
when
we
give
give
out
proposals
or
when
we
pay,
you
know,
stewards
so
cad
cad.
E
Is
that
kind
of
framework
where
you
just
identify
the
numerics
and
then
you
identify
the
relationships
of
change
and
then
you
kind
of
hit
run
and
it
and
it
runs
the
simulation
and
you
can
see
how
things
change
over
time
so
yeah
and
at
that
that's
sort
of
an
introduction.
I
did
have
a
demo
I
was
hoping
to
give,
but
the
new
releases
of
these
libraries
things
aren't
just
rendering
right
now
and
with
that
I
think
I'd
like
to
open
it
up
to
a
general
discussion.
F
I
I
definitely
have
something
to
model,
and
but
it's
going
to
be
a
little
harder
than
than
like
that,
but
basically
the
trade
volume
for
optimal
attributes
amounts.
This
has
been
requested
since
before
we
even
launched,
and
it
would
be
really
valuable
to
figure
out
some,
you
know
optimal
tribute
setting
strategies.
E
Awesome
yeah.
I
like
that
griff
that
that
makes
so
yeah.
I
don't
know
exactly
off
the
bat
I
mean
first,
we
just
first
would
we
would
model
the
mechanism
itself.
So
we
have
a
bonding
curve
mechanism
model
which
we
could
grab
and
then
we
could.
F
Yeah
I
mean
if
I,
if
I
had
to
start
the,
if
I
had
to
start
the
model,
I'd
start
with
what
has
happened
and
like,
even
though
you
know,
obviously,
by
changing
the
tribute
you
would
change
what
would
happen
well,
let's
just
say
that
every
mint,
every
burn
and
every
buy
on
honey
swap
happened
was
guaranteed
to
happen,
no
matter
what
the
tributes
were,
what
would
have
been?
F
What
would
have
been
the
optimal
tribute
you
know,
setting.
F
And
now
I
think
you
know
well
I
mean
that
won't
really
perfectly
work
because
it'd
be
like
oh
100,
both
sides,
I
mean
if
there
could
be
some
kind
of
way
to
meter
that
or
maybe
it's
like
you
know,
the
tribute
exit
attribute
plus
entry
tribute
has
to
equal.
Whatever
the
setting
was
for
that
period
you
know
or
has
to
equal
12
or
14
percent.
E
Yeah,
this
is
a
great
case
because
we
have
real
data.
We
have
all
the
real
tributes,
all
the
trades
that
have
happened.
We
can
get
that
data
and
then
we
can
answer
those
questions.
What
would
it
have
looked
like
if
we
applied
this
tribute
rate
and
then
also
algorithmically?
So
we
could
say
what
happened
if,
during
these
periods,
where
the
volume
was
extremely
high,
we
had
raised
the
tribute
amount
and
we
could
even
come
up
with
some
relationships
like
as
you
increase
the
tribute
amount.
A
Hey
guys,
I'm
going
to
jump
in
and
just
suggest
that
we
so
that
one
that
one
sounds
really
interesting
and
there's
a
lot
of
let's.
Let's
take
let's
table
that
one
and
then
maybe
do
the
details
on
it.
I
have
one
other
one,
but
I
think
it's
it's
it's
a
lot
fuzzier
than
that
one,
so
that
one
seems
like
probably
a
more
likely
short
term
thing.
The
one
that
I
can't
just
let
go
of
for
some
reason
is
like
I
keep
coming
back
to
startups.
A
We
talked
about
this
a
couple
weeks
ago,
but
like
like
startups
the
way
that
they
deal
with
this
question
of
constrained
budgets
for
cash
is
by
offering
equity
and
our
token
is
not
the
same
as
equity.
A
But
I'm
wondering
you
know
if
there's
some
way
that
we
could
you
know
conserve
our
our
ex
die
by
you
know
offering
some
type
of
incentives
for
people
to
to
hold
tec
as
payment
and
what
that
modeling.
E
I
like
this
one,
like
you,
said
it's
fuzzy,
but
fuzzy
can
actually
be
a
good
thing,
because
this
this
could
be
a
case
for
modeling,
where
we
don't
even
need
to
start
with
the
code.
We
don't
need
a
python
environment.
We
you
can
model
with
words.
You
know
you
can
write
out
scenarios
and
it's
almost
like
a
philosophical
approach.
E
You
know
who,
just
because
we
can
do
a
lot
in
a
in
a
hackmd
file
or
even
a
google
doc,
and
sometimes
when
you
do
a
lot
of
work
in
that
in
sort
of
the
pros
and
the
narrative
construction,
then
you
can
get
the
quantified
aspect
of
the
system
down
to
being
very
precise
and
very
simple.
And
then,
if
you
want
to
go
into
the
coding
environment,
it's
like
a
few
lines
of
code
and
you
can
check
out
this
one
little
piece
that
you've
identified
so
yeah.
D
A
Let
me
because
we
have
one
minute
left.
Let
me
do
this.
Let's
just
ask
who,
if
there
are
people
who
are
interested
in
this,
can
you
just
I'm
going
to
take
some
notes
here
who
who's
interested
in
following
up
with
ygg
on
this
very
interested.
A
Okay,
so
anybody
else
before
we
before
we
wrap
up
and
feel
free,
I
mean
did
somebody
just
say
something.
A
Awesome
bye,
gigi.
Thank
you
thanks.
So
much
for
for
leaving
that
and
so
next
week,
there'll
probably
be
some
other
things,
but
one
thing
for
sure
is
I
I
and
probably
tam
will
give
an
update
on
what's
happening
with
the
consulting
intake
process,
so
we
had
a
good.
We
had
a
really
good
session
with
jeff
emmett
day
before
yesterday
or
yesterday
I
don't
remember
and
making
some
progress,
we're
trying
to
move
really
quickly
on
this
one
to
get
this
so
we'll
have
an
update
on
that.
A
We'll
have
met
with
the
treasury
crew
tomorrow
and
so
we'll
have
some
update
on
what's
happening
there
and
then,
as
always,
if
you
want
something
to
be
added
next
week,
just
feel
free
to
come
in
this
agenda
and
add
it
okay,
that's
it
everybody!
Thank
you.