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The Sampo working group develops and grows the value of the economic layer of the Token Engineering Commons. It aligns this micro-economy with the TEC mission and the collective success and individual benefit of its token holders.
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B
Cool
thanks,
I
guess
one
great
checking
question
would
be.
How
is
everyone
feeling
with
the
with
how
how
empty
the
space
and
of
the
tc
is
feeling
now
you
know
with
everyone
in
vacations,
and
we
were
just
talking
about
that
before
we
want
to
enter.
A
To
say
on
it,
because
I
my
main
participation.
C
B
That's
cool,
I
guess
or
more
like
in
the
whole
crypto
space,
because
I
know
that's
sort
of
the
the
you
know.
The
general
sentiment.
B
Well,
it
may
be,
I
I
have
felt
that
at
least
in
the
projects-
I
usually
I
I
sort
of
look
after
but
well
that's
cool.
Do
you
want
to
pass
it
to
someone
yeah
sure
I
pass
it
to
iron.
A
Yeah,
I
think,
because
I
joined
mid
july
2.
I
don't.
I
didn't
really
see
dc
in
its
most
active
form
and
time,
but
I'm
super
excited
for
that
time
to
come.
Actually
so
yeah
looking
forward
to
that
and
I'll
pass
it
to.
E
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
have
seen
the
tec
be
extremely
busy
where
there's
no
way
you
can
keep
up
with.
What's
going
on
so
right
now
it
feels
extremely
dead,
and
that
goes
for
all
the
other
projects
as
well.
Even
when
it
comes
to
gnosis
or
common
style
like
it's
just
it's,
it's
really
kind
of
a
slow
index
co-op.
It's
really
slow
too.
There's
a
lot,
a
lot
of
small
people
taking
vacations
and
relaxing,
and
so
that's
fine,
we'll
see
how
it
comes
back.
D
Thanks
nate,
it's
it's
interesting
upon
re-reading
the
mission,
the
part
that
says
that
it
aligns
the
micro
economy
with
the
tc
mission
and
the
collective
success
and
individual
benefit
of
token
holders,
but
particularly
the
atlas
part,
the
collective
success
and
individual
benefit
of
token
holders.
D
It
seems
to
me
that
there's
a
tension
between
the
collective,
like
the
the
common
benefit
and
the
individual
like
income
of
people,
so
I
I
think
we
haven't
found
the
right
way
to
reconcile
the
tension
between
the
two,
because
we
are
either
advancing
token
engineering
through
the
funding
of
projects
or
we
are
providing
secure
employment
for
the
contributors.
So
that
is
something
that
is
on
everyone's
minds
and
I
am
channeling
or
embodying
my
inner
mitch,
because
I
think
we
need
to
be
more
critical
about
this
process.
D
F
Thank
you,
man,
yeah,
it's
been
it's
been,
it's
been
really
quiet.
I've
noticed
you
know,
like
calls
not
really
happening,
and
some
of
the
calls
that
are
happening
just
like
few
people
attend
to
to
what
it
used
to
be
like
like
some
months
ago.
So
that's
that's
interesting.
I
wouldn't
say
it's
good
or
bad.
It's
just!
F
You
know
the
situation
that
we
have
right
now,
but
at
the
same
time,
for
me
it's
like
super,
exciting
and
motivating,
for
example,
coming
here
to
the
to
the
sample
call,
even
though
gideon
wasn't
able
to
to
join,
though
we
were
still
able
to
to
make
it
happen,
you
know
and
to
keep
moving
forward
with
the
with
the
sample
initiatives.
F
I
think
that
I
think
that
should
be
kind
of
like
the
path
towards
the
tc
should
be
moving
right,
like
not
really,
depending
on
on
individuals
on
individual,
like
people
or
names,
but
just
like
in
this
collective
effort
that
everyone
is
pushing
forward
and
it
doesn't
matter
if
some
people
are
on
vacation,
but
you
know,
there's
always
people
willing
to
to
keep
working
and
and
keep
contributing
so
so
yeah.
That's
that's
something
nice
for
me.
Rex
welcome!
F
G
G
G
G
B
I
think
I'm
the
one
left
the
only
one
left.
Well,
I
I
like
the
adverse
point
and
or
like
how
bear
was
optimistic
about
about
the
situation.
I've
been
thinking
that
well,
the
these
inactivity
is
due
to
main
reasons.
You
know.
First
of
all
is
summer
time
and
a
lot
of
people
is
on
vacation,
but
also
we've
had
for
obvious
reasons
of
financial
stress
and
whatnot.
We
have
made
a
lot
of
changes
in
other
working
groups.
B
We
have
reduced
the
overall
spending
of
the
tc,
and
that
means
that
that
there's
also
people
that
were
contributing
back
then
that's
probably
not
contributing
anymore,
but
I'm
happy,
and
I'm
also
optimistic
on.
You
know
on
how
these
means
and
opportunity
and
how
there's
like
we
were
talking.
I
remember
and
I
we
were
talking
about
edu
and
how
he
got
a
job
and
probably
his
experience
here
in
the
tc
made
a
difference,
and
I
don't
know
if
looking
at
that.
B
That
way,
I
feel
sort
of
lucky
that
you
know
that
that
I'm
here
and
I
have
the
opportunity
to
make
an
impact
and
to
learn
a
lot
because
I've
I
entered
the
tc
february
match,
and
I
have
learned
an
incredible
amount
of
stuff
here
and
I
look
forward
to
keep
learning
and
just
keep
advancing
in.
You
know
just
doing
what
we
do.
E
And
so
I
just
you
know
I
want
to
make
sure
we
keep
a
positive
attitude
when
it
comes
to
going
through
these
transitions
and
organizational
changes.
So
I
just
want
to
throw
that
out
there
as
well,
so
go
ahead.
B
Okay,
yeah,
so
there's
not
too
much.
We.
We
really
didn't
prepare
an
agenda
for
this,
but
I've
been
wanting
to
talk
about
the
talking
gate
for
some
time
now.
B
So
for
those
who
may
not
know
we,
we
already
have
the
talking
giddy
channel
in
place
that
there's
a
section
called
tec
token
holders
with
a
channel
that
has
a
message
to
join
the
channel,
that
that's
going
to
verify
that
you
have
at
least
one
tc
and
then
one
channel
where
richa
has
been
posting
regular
updates
and
information
that
that
we
consider
is
useful
or
interesting
to
talking
folders.
B
You
know
really
like
we
haven't
made
any
any
efforts
on
just
promoting
the
token
gated
channel
and
getting
people
outside
sample
or
the
core
consumers
here
at
the
tc
join
it,
and
I
was
wondering
if
anyone
had
any
ideas
or
how
or
like.
I
think
it's
about
time
that
we
open
it
up
for
various
reasons.
B
One
thinks
the
perfect
time
to
get
more
feedback
and
get
more
people
involved,
and
especially
now
with
people
being
away,
and
we
are,
we
are
not
having
as
much
influx
on
people
of
people
on
the
community,
so
it
may
be
a
great
time
to
just
promote
it.
I
don't
know
if
in
the
orientation
call
or
you
know
having-
I
don't
know
how
guides
work.
I
don't
know
if
they
have
like.
B
I
don't
know
like
I
don't
know
if
they
have
like
a
certain
document
or
guidelines
that
they
follow
when
they
approach
people
but
just
trying
to
get
more
people
in
the
in
the
door
of
the
token
gated
channel,
maybe
grade,
and
here
I
guess
I
will
open
the
floor
to
any
ideas
or
comments
about
that.
B
Yeah,
I
think
it's
great,
that
we
have
manu
and
rm
here
that
they
work
with
communities
in
the
comms
group.
So
I
guess
any
opinions
in
that
or
like
what
do
you
think
may
be
the
best
way
to
to
you
know
to
go
for
it
and
promote
the
channel.
F
I
have
I
have
some
concern
in
this
regard
that
I've
been
wanting
to
share
on
that.
I'm
not
I'm
not
sure.
What's
like
the
best
way
or
what
you
guys
think
yeah,
I
I
think
like
manual
and
iran,
and
probably
costa
too,
would
have
like
an
opinion
about
this.
F
Personally,
I
feel
I
find
a
little
confusing
that
we
kind
of
have
like
different
places
that
are
like
similar
in
terms
of
their
purpose,
with
what
I
mean
is
like,
for
example,
we
have
like
the
the
weekly
updates
on
on
the
forum,
and
then
we
also
have
like
the
newsletter,
and
now
we
have
like
this
token
gated
channel,
but
we
also
have
like
the
announcements
channel
in
the
community
and
we
also
have
like
the
general
channel
in
the
community,
and
I
think
it
was
from
the
general
chat
or
in
the
announcement
chat.
F
I
can't
remember,
but
like
a
couple
of
days,
I
I
just
saw
like
a
message
from
someone
that
oh
here
I
just
found
it
from
guild.
Royale
he's
saying
like
I
am
sorry,
but
do
you
guys
even
realize
how
broad
the
pink
is
when
using
like
at
everyone?
I
wish
there
was
like
app
enthusiasts.
You
know,
like
kind
of
like
making
this
this
point
of,
how
do
we
use
like
tags
for
people
and
and
yeah?
I
kind
of
felt
the
same.
You
know
like
sometimes
like
the
app
everyone
it
feels
like.
F
It
feels
like
it's
really
broad
for
everyone
and
you
might
not
be
really
interested
in
what's
happening
there,
so
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
that
maybe
we
could
find
some
type
of
a
strategy
to
focus
more
like
this
effort
and-
and
I
guess,
like
the
the
the
token
gated
channel-
could
help
on
this
in
a
way
and
kind
of
like
unify
efforts
and
and
yeah.
You
know
like
fix
the
fix,
the
roles
and
that
kind
of
stuff
I
don't
know,
what
do
you
guys
think.
B
A
Orientation
we'll
fix
that
with
I
do
actually
next
week
we'll
work
on
the
tax
situations
and
we'll
do
something
about
the
newcomer.
I
didn't
realize
that
actually,
so
many
people
are
still
under
the
attack,
so,
for
example,
I
tagged
newcomer
today,
but
I
do
just
let
me
know
of
that
so
we'll
work
on
that
next
week,
but
yeah
bear.
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
the
things
you
said
and
especially
with
token
gated
channel
in
terms
of
promoting
it.
A
I
think
that's
such
a
good
point
auntie,
but
what
was
I
thinking
also
like.
Do
we
need
to
maybe
specify
and
kind
of
be
a
little
bit
more
have
a
little
bit
more
consensus
on
the
use
case.
A
We
really
want
to
get
out
of
the
token
gator
channel
first
before
really
going
on
a
twitter
or
our
different
community
channels
and
really
promoting
this,
because
I
know
it
like
with
the
content,
curation
service
and
still
it's
being
worked
on
its
first
iteration
with
dao
stack
and
tangible
ai,
so
there's
already
a
team
going
on
in
there
and
we're
thinking,
maybe
integrating
content
the
token
gated
channel
into
that
content,
curation
service
and
actually
like
putting
the
curated
content
in
the
token
gated
channel
so
having
one
of
the
use
cases
of
token
gated
channel
being
the
the
gardens
or
the
the
curated
platform
for
the
service
itself,
so
yeah
I'm.
A
I
feel
also
a
little
bit
confused
thinking.
You
know:
do
we
start
promoting
this?
Are
we
do?
We
have
a
really
consensus
and
a
plan
of
where
we
want
this
to
go?
Should
we
wait
a
little
bit
and
see
how
the
content
curation
service
is
moving
and
whether
they're
gonna
move
together,
or
do
we
look
at
them
as
two
separate
initiatives
right
now?
But
I
think
this
is
a
good
topic
to
discuss
again,
maybe
next
week,
when
gideon
is
here
too
yeah.
I
think
these
are
all
I
wanted
to
say.
G
I
I
I
have
a
further
question,
but
I
guess
this
is
going
to
come
smaller
to
us
and
it's
kind
of
feeling
of
what
you
said.
Is
there
a
content
management
of
a
whole?
Some
content,
like
holistic
content,
manages
content
management
strategy
already
in
the
tc,
or
is
this
an
opportunity
for
us
to
take
a
look
at
that
and
streamline
our
processes
both
for
this,
both
for
the
this
new
token
gated
channel
and
our
existing
channels.
A
I
mean,
I
definitely
think
so.
Maybe
manu
and
nt
can
speak
further
on
this,
as
especially
now
different
communication
working
groups
are
unifying
kind
of,
and
you
know
we
definitely
talked
about
this.
I
think
this
content
creation
service
and
also
the
token
gated
channel
they
will
push
us
to
get
better
with
community
engagement,
both
on
twitter
and
really
create
coming
up
with
more
streamlined
content
management
strategies
on
twitter
and
other
accounts
really
to
organize
around
these
two
initiatives
I
think,
is
such
a
great
opportunity
in
terms
of
content
management
strategy.
B
Before
you
go
manu
just
oh
one,
quick
interruption,
I
wonder
if
there's
anything
else
that
we
want
to
talk
about
just
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we
we
manage
the
time
I
don't
know.
Nade
is
like,
if
there's
any
update
on
the
treasury
or
anything
else
that
we
can
add.
B
E
We
can
yeah,
I
mean
treasury
is
still
in
the
works
with
talking
with
gnosis
and
seeing
what
we
can
do
about
that
57
000
tec,
I'm.
If
they
can't
give
me
any
type
of
solid
response
in
the
next
few
days,
then
I'm
going
to
head
you're
going
to
go
ahead
and
post
the
first
investment
strategy
on
the
forum
for
advice
process
and
we'll
just
keep
moving
forward
for
the
changes.
So
that's
the
only
idea
that
I
have
okay
outside
of
that.
E
B
Thanks
go
ahead,
money.
D
Yeah
as
far
as
content
management
system,
I'm
actually
working
on
something
I've
been
trying
to
get
at
it
for
a
while,
but
the
person
the
developer,
I
was
working
with
had
a
family
emergency
and
like
left
the
project,
this
disappeared,
but
I've
found
another
one
can
help
me
so
as
far
as
content
management
system.
D
The
idea
that
I
have
is
creating
a
tweeter
scraping
bot
for
those
of
you
that
don't
know
nate
is
aware
of
this.
He
wanted
to
do.
I
mean
I've
been
again
trying
to
do
this
for
a
while
now,
but
the
idea
is
doing
mining
tweets
from
influential
people
within
the
token
hearing
community.
D
There
can
be
several
flavors
to
it.
It
can
be
web3,
it
can
be.
There
can
be
a
subset
of
that.
That's
pretty
specific!
That's
token
engineering
I
mean
think
michael
sargon,
kelsey
navin.
You
know
griff
as
well.
As
you
know
the
organizations
too
so
doing
mining
of
all
the
tweets
that
they
release
how
popular
they
are.
Of
course,
we'll
have
some.
D
There
will
be
ways
to
try
to
prevent
that
we
get
information
from
bots
or
that
we
get.
You
know
inflated
statistics
from
people
who
buy
likes
or
buy
followers
etc,
but
the
idea
is
putting
your
finger
on
the
poles
or
the
side,
guys
of
token
engineering
and
based
on
what
they
are
talking
about.
The
topics
that
are
talking
about
the
topics
that
get
the
most
traction
the
most
engaged
on
twitter,
crafting
content
based
on
that.
D
So
medium
articles,
tweets
agenda,
points,
issues
on
github
things
like
that,
so
that
we
can
understand
what
is
being
talked
about
holistically.
What's.
D
G
But
that's
the
that's
the
token
curate
the
content
curation
system,
oh
by
the
way
I've
used
the
twitter
api
before
so.
I
know
this
is
quite
quite
simple,
actually
like
most
of
the
work
you're
going
to
have
is
actually
just
on
building
out
the
databases
but
actually
connecting
to
the
twitter
api
is
like
it's
really
easy.
It's
it's
very!
It's
a
very
nice
api.
G
But
what
I
found
when
I
joined
is
that
the
path
like
I
I
found
it
very
exciting,
but
I
found
the
like
the
kind
of
the
the
pathway
to
joining
and
learning
more
about.
The
tcc
was
like
an
information
overload
and
like
there
isn't
and
kind
of
that
follows
like
throughout,
like
the
whole
of
the
tc
experience,
and
I
I've
I've
seen
messages
to
to
that
that
talk
about
the
same
thing
in
like
orientation.
E
Communities
has
worked
on
and
kind
of
it's
a
very
complex
problem,
because
a
lot
of
people
come
to
tec
at
different
levels
and
their
interests,
different
levels
of
their
education
and
knowledge
of
token
engineering,
and
most
of
them
aren't
really
sure
if
they
want
to
contribute
or,
if
they're,
just
kind
of
dipping
their
toes
in
to
see
if
they
can
find
any
resources
that
will
help
them
further,
their
crypto
knowledge,
and
so
you
know
having
having
a
kind
of
a
welcoming
system
that
says,
here's
a
a
compact
piece
of
you
know,
aggregated
pieces
of
information
that
are
right,
for
you
is
very,
very
difficult
to
create,
and
so
I
think
the
you
know
the
onboarding
process.
E
Wasn't
it's.
Like
kind
of
you
know
it's
still
in
its
infant
state.
We
just
have
that
power
point.
That's
explained
to
the
history
of
tdc,
how
we
go
through
that
process
and
I
think
the
community
talks
working
group
is
going
to
have
a
lot
of
you
know
a
challenge
ahead
of
them
in
terms
of
trying
to
get
this
even
more
comprehensive.
But
I
do
think
it
can
be
done.
I
just
think
it's.
G
What
I
mean,
though,
is
that
onboarding
isn't
limited
to
when
someone
joins.
The
discord
like
the
whole
idea,
but
at
least
to
me
behind
having
like
social
media
presence,
is
for
onboarding
right.
It
is
to
both
to
let
people
not
only
let
people
know
what
we're
doing
but
like
entice
them
into
into
joining
the
joining
the
community.
G
G
Yeah
yeah,
exactly
like,
like
bitcoin.
G
I
I've
been
followed.
I've
been
more
recently
kind
of
following
what
git
coins
tries
to
do
right
and
they
have
specific
people
that
just
ship
post
in
order
to
try
and
get
people
to
join,
get
current
right
and
they
end
up.
They
ended
up
doing.
I
believe
they
were
the
ones
to
create
the
slogan
region,
not
dejan,
so
that
sort
of
edge
I
haven't
seen
the
tc
have
yet
maybe
it's
too
soon,
but
and
git
has
more
money,
but.
E
Yeah
yeah:
I
think
that
that
has
a
lot
to
do
with
it.
You
know
we.
We
have
a
different
pace
right
now
in
a
lot
of
ways,
and
so
working
on
that
is
going
to
be
really
difficult.
We
have
to
find
our
own
little
niche.
I
think
we
could
do
that,
especially
with
the
te
academy
starting
to
boil
up
like
support
a
lot
of
eyeballs.
E
I
think
we
can
really
kind
of
hitch
onto
that
and
see
if
we
can
get
interest
into
people
who
are
wanting
to
develop
commons,
so
maybe
that
could
be
part
of
the
narrative
but
yeah.
I
agree
with
you.
B
Yeah
there's
also
gideon,
has
said
once
or
twice
that
one
of
the
potential
use
cases
of
the
content
creation
service
would
be
like
like
a
public
relations
or
or
I
don't
know,
he
explains
it
as
an
interest
group
that
works
on
sort
of
defining,
talking,
engineering
better
and
just
like
making
a
better.
Like
you
know,
explaining
talking
engineering
is
not
only
it's
not
only
a
complex
field,
but
explaining
the
explain.
Talking
itself
is
hard
like
what
is
it
and
what's
the
purpose?
B
And
so
that's
probably
one
thing:
that's
going
to
come
more
down
the
road,
as
well
as
some
things
that
I'm
guessing
communications
and
communities
are
going
to
be
heavily
working
on,
but.
G
A
G
G
The
only
thing
I
thought
about
is
I'm
doing
some
campaign
calling
coin
coins
you
know
like
that
would
cause
a
fair
bit
of
stir,
but
I
I
haven't
given
it
too
much
thought
myself,
I'm
not
a
constant.
G
Yeah
like
whether
like
it
doesn't
need
to
be
directly
from
the
from
the
t,
comments
twitter
account,
but
like
doing
a
campaign
calling
coins
what
they
like,
calling
his
famous
bait
right,
calling
a
calling
out
coins
for
being
coins
and
like
doing
threads
doing
like
twitter
threads.
On
like
saying
this.
This
coin
is
terrible
because
xyz.
D
G
That
that's
that's
a
fair
point,
but
I'd
say
that
the
like
it's
it's
more
of
a
like
in
mechanism
design.
Our
our
token
is
fairly
well
thought
out
right.
So.
G
And
the
whole
point
of
the
tc
is
to
to
to
to
to
kind
of
bring
bring
token
engineering
to
the
masses
right.
So
there's
no
reason
why
we
shouldn't
be
able
to
do
both,
try
and
find
more
bring
more
utility
to
the
token
and
also
have
a
constant
strategy
that
calls
everyone
out.
If
you
want,
we
can
also
call
ourselves
out
because.
B
Yeah,
that's
that's
something
that
I
think
the
configuration
service
is
going
to
help
as
well
like
the
first
group.
Gideon's
been
thinking
about
is
sort
of
t
security
and
we
chatted
about
how,
for
example,
if
these
were
to
happen
in
the
time
where,
just
before
the
ust
collapse,
we
would
probably
have
a
lot
of
content
curated
about
like
before
the
ust
collapse.
B
There's
there
was
a
lot
of
people
on
twitter
and
other
places,
sort
of
calling
it
out
and
we
would
have
been.
If
we
had
the
content
creation
service
up
by
then
we
would
have
been
able
to
sort
of
get
a
lot
of
get
a
lot
of
information
about
that
and
come
to
conclusion
and
even
potentially
report
on
why
usd
is
going
to
collapse
and
you
know
yeah.
I
think
we
that's
an
interesting
discussion,
but
I
don't
I'm
not
entirely
sure
if
that's
in
the
direct
scope
of
sample
right
now.
B
Okay,
so
I
feel
because
I
feel
like
very
content.
Yeah
no
and
I
would
probably
yeah
go
ahead.
Nate
sorry.
E
I
do
want
to
say
that
there's
things
we
can
do
adjacent
to
that
with
our
token
curated,
our
token
getted
section
and
like
there
are
people
like.
Has
anybody
followed,
zack
xbt
on
twitter?
He
does
a
really
good
job
of
analyzing
kind
of
basically
crap
coins
or
scams
and
he's
become
very
well
known
for
it
and
having
these
kind
of
reviews
of
like
fraudulent
projects
in
the
space
and
holding
holding
a
space
for
people
to
talk
about
it
or
analyze.
E
It,
I
think,
would
be
a
very
interesting
concept
to
bring
people
in
to
say:
hey
we're
going
to
review
this
project
and
talk
about
whether
this
is
a
good
token
design,
a
poor,
token
design.
E
You
know
these
smart
contracts
aren't
audited
because
I
do
think
there
is
a
narrative
there
where
token
engineering
there's
an
ethics
associated
with
protecting
people
in
the
space
that
just
we
don't
have,
and
so
there
are
a
lot
of
people
who
were
talking
about
it,
but
we
haven't
really
done
anything
about
it
and
I
think
it
would
be
a
really
interesting
perspective
to
provide
for
for
the
public.
B
Yeah,
can
you
post
the
link
of
the
that
guy
somewhere
yeah.
B
B
Well,
I
don't
probably
react.
I
don't
know
whatever
you
know
about
the
onboarding
journey
and
confusions
and
stuff,
I
think
that's
a
fair
point
and
we,
we
probably
shouldn't
promote
the
token
gate
to
to
newcomers.
B
But
what
I'm
wondering
like
what
I
like,
I
agree,
there's
a
lot
of
channels
and
initiatives
that
may
overlap
in
a
lot
of
stuff,
and
I
guess
the
talking
gated
channel
is
more
like
a
test
now
and
we
just
figuring
out
and
just
try.
B
We
we
just
launched
it
because
we
had
to
launch
it,
you
know
and
we
we
just
want
to
move
things
forward
and
most
likely
we're
going
to
iterate
over
the
strategy
of
the
talking
gated
channel
itself,
but
I'm
really
interested
in
getting
people
in
there,
particularly
because
these
are
things
that
we
are
going
to
encounter
and
the
only
way
that
we
are
going
to
improve
the
service
is
by
getting
people
there.
B
So
maybe
not
newcomers,
but
just
trying
to
get
the
the
regulars
on
the
tc
on
the
channel
and
and
find
any
potential
issues.
When
joining
that
we
can
fix
and
also
just
refining
the
overall
strategy.
B
Because
right
now,
I'm
not
sure
how
many
people
have
the
the
role.
But
it's
not
that
that
many.
F
I
think
I
think
it's
really
important
yeah.
I
I
don't
know
who
said
that
I
think
I
ran
to
really
find
the
purpose
right
of
the
token
gated
channel
like
is
it
gonna,
be
about
giving
weekly
updates
about
treasuries
of
the
working
groups,
or
could
it
be
more
about
like
sharing
knowledge
or
like
these?
I
think
this
idea
that
nate
had
pro
reviews.
I
think
that
would
be
great,
but
it
will
be
probably
related
with
a
content
curation
service
as
well,
so
just
like
kind
of
like
trying
to
get
into
an
agreement
about.
F
What's
going
to
be
the
purpose
and
what's
going
to
be
like
the
the
the
added
value
that
people
will
find
there
and
that
won't
be
able
to
find
in
these
other
places
right
like
the
newsletter
like
the
weekly
updates,
you
know,
I
think
it
should
be.
It
should
be
kind
of
like
unique,
and
maybe
that
is
just
like
the
content
curation
service
right.
Maybe
that
will
be
the
big
thing
that
we'll
have
there.
So
maybe
it's
just
like
a
question
about.
Are
we
gonna
have
anything
else?
Maybe
in
the
meantime?
F
Well,
we,
while
we
get
up
and
running
that
that
continuation
service
or
or
maybe
not,
I
don't
know
like
in
my
opinion,
I
think
we
should
right.
I
agree
with
andy
that
we
should
start
like
trying
trying
on
stuff
like
trying
to
get
people
involved
in
there,
but
I
am
not
quite
sure
like
how
to
be
honest,
so
yeah
just
just
pointing
that
out
about
about
the
purpose.
I
think
that's
that's
an
important
question
that
could
make
us
easier
to
then
come
up
with
a
lot
of
ideas
like
more
more
straight
and
clear
ideas.
A
I
agree
bear,
and
maybe
perhaps
richard
can
actually
fill
us
in
on
that,
because
I'm
also
not
sure
I
mean
to
me.
It
seems
like
it's
actually,
the
basically
the
infrastructure
we
want
to
have
and
once
we
have
the
services
and
the
value
being
created
through
different
initiatives.
This
token
gated
channel
is
just
going
to
be
one
of
the
channels
that
we
actually
distribute
that
value
to
people
who
already
have
the
token,
so
they
get
the
utility
of
the
services
and
other
initiatives
we
have
through
like
owning
that
token
right.
A
So
we
connect
the
token
to
the
services
and
we
create
the
token
utility
and
without
those
services
and
values,
yeah
it's
a
question
of
purpose
but
yeah
again,
I
think
gideon
and
vicha.
Perhaps
in
the
next
meeting
I
I
don't
know
it
should
be
on
sample
to
the
the
working
document
on
the
token
gated
channel,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
they
were
thinking
of
other
use
cases
and
other
ways
of
using
it
before
the
content
curation
service.
Maybe
it's
right
now.
A
I
think
there's
a
focus
on
that
more
just
because
it's
a
more
extensive
project
and
there's.
Actually,
I
think
it's
one
of
the
really
first,
not
the
first
I
mean
there's
so
many
great
initiatives
going
on.
I
think
right
now
and
sample
and
so
exciting,
but
something
that
can
actually
bring
some
value
and
service
right.
A
Something
tc
is
actually
doing,
and
maybe
that
is
also
at
the
core
of
our
issues
with
social
media
and
twitter
and
engagement
like
we
don't
really
have
a
service
and
we
don't
really
have
a
tool
that
we
can
showcase
and
we
that
we
can
promote
around
that.
We
want
people
to
engage
with.
A
I
mean
yes,
our
communities
are
in
in
a
way
our
service,
because
we
wanted
to
be
the
shelling
when
we
want
people
to
come
and
exchange
ideas,
but
once
we
have
things
that
are
more
tangible
and
people
can
come
in
and
experiment
with
and
try
out.
I
think
we're
gonna
have
also
organically
a
better
chance
to
create
content,
that's
going
to
pull
people,
and
so
that
also
ties
back
to
a
lot
of
things.
Rex
and
nate
has
been
talking
about.
So
I
think
right
now
to
me
like
in
my
head.
A
It
really
makes
sense
to
maybe
focus
on
this
content,
curation
service
and
tied
to
token
gated
channel
in
that
way
and
see
how
they
tie
together,
but
also
if
a
group
is
working
on
other
ways
to
add
value
to
the
token
gated
channel
independent
of
the
curation
service
yeah.
That
would
also
be
great.
E
I
also
think
that's
a
really
important
thing
that
you
said
it
was
that
we
should
we
should
be
experimenting.
You
know,
I,
I
think
that
you
know
with
the
token
curated
channel
if
we
have
a
voice
channel
as
well.
Like
you
know,
we
we
could
be
doing
interviews
token
engineers
in
the
space,
even
people
within
our
own
discord,
endow
and
start
promoting,
just
attending
conversations
and
using
that
as
a
method
for
getting
people
to
purchase
the
token
get
involved.
E
Listen
to
the
really
good
conversations
that
we're
having
around
the
space
around
commons
development
around
token
engineering
developments.
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
people
we
can
interview
and
talk
to,
and
these
interviews
can
be
just
kind
of
casual.
You
know
they
don't
have
to
be
these
formal
podcast
style
interviews
is
just
kind
of
hey.
Let's
go,
let's
talk
about
the
subject,
you
know
one-on-one
one-on-two
and
trying
to
try
to
create
a
conversation
space
for
people
to
start
talking
about,
but
but
the
the
core
point
is
that
we
we
should
be.
E
We
shouldn't
be
afraid
to
experiment,
and
I
think
that
if
we
can
experiment
with
a
couple
of
ideas,
let's
see
test
it
out
and
see
how
it
works,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
point
of
the
creating
utility
is
to
drive
economic
activity
through
through
our
bonding
curve
and
through
our
just
our
economy.
And
so
we
want
to
get
people
to
participate
any
way
they
can.
And
so
I
think,
just
let's
experiment,
let's
test
out,
let's
iterate
and
keep
moving
forward
with
it.
D
I
think
I
think
we
everyone
here
is
operating
under
the
assumption
that
the
token
gated
channel
will
be
enough
or
would
be
sort
of
like
the
panacea
for
our
income
generation
woes
I'd,
be
I
mean,
that's
fine
if
we
have
that
as
a
hypothesis
that
it's
going
to
be
a
significant
improvement
in
terms
of
the
utility
for
the
coin
and
and
drive
demand
for
tc,
but
are
there
any
cases
that
we
can
point
out?
I
think
friends
would
benefit.
Benefits.
D
Has
a
similar
token
gated,
like
a
content
thing
going
on,
like
I'd,
just
be
curious
to
see,
if
there's
any
data,
to
support
the
implicit
assumption
that
this
is
going
to
be
something
that
will
be.
D
You
know
that
will
drive
in
contamination
or
are
there
other
things?
Are
there
other
initiatives
that
samples
working
on
that
will
imperil
drive
income
generation?
Because
I
mean
maybe
we
can
put
it
to
a
boat
like
who
in
here
thinks
that
by
opening
token
data
channel,
then
enough
people
will
buy
the
tc
for
it
to
cause
significant
impact
on
the
price
and
thus
allow
us
more
funding
for
projects.
E
I
I
don't
think
I
don't
think
it
will,
but
I
do
think
like
creating
as
much
utility
in
aggregate
so
like
we
have
a
token
gated
community
and
we
add
a
different
utility
function
for
something
else.
A
different
utility
function
for
something
else.
These
things
combined
could
could
contribute
to
significant
changes
in
the
amount
of
util
velocity
in
the
economic
system,
but
you're
right.
I
don't
think
this
alone
is
going
to
do
it,
but
I
do
think
if
this
works
and
we
have
other
aspects
of
utility
functions,
that's
what
we're
going
for.
B
B
You
know
that's
for
one
and
then
I
think
the
talking
gated
channel
may
not
drive
utility
on
its
own,
at
least
not
in
a
substantial
amount,
but
I
think
we
are
going
to
learn
a
lot
about
access
management
and
other
stuff
that
I
believe
it's
going
to
be
more
important
down
the
road
by
implementing
these
kinds
of
solutions
and
well
the
other
question
that
was
about
what's
sample
working
on
there's
a
few
things
on
the
pipeline.
B
You
know
so
there's
the
talking
daily
channel,
but
there's
also
a
creation
curation
service
that
we
are
planning
to
use
on
sort
of
interest
groups
so
like
similar
to
omega,
for
example,
where
they
they
more
than
a
working
group,
is
more
like
an
interest
group
where
they
meet
and
they
discuss
and
they
build
they
build
knowledge
and
so
forth.
B
And
so,
for
instance,
the
creative
service
can
be
a
great
tool
for
them
to
just
be
able
to
curate
information
in
knowledge,
and
with
that
we
can
spun
up
a
lot
of
other
interest
groups
like
security,
like
public
relations,
relations
for
token
unity,
etc,
etc.
B
There
was
also
a
request
board
for
projects
looking
for
token
engineers
that
in
which
they
would
have
to
stake
some
tc
and
get
a
data.
So
you
know,
there's
there's
a
few
things
going
on,
and
but
what
I
like
about.
The
the
talking
gated
channel
is
precisely
that
we,
we
are
now
learning
how
to
how
to
drive
access
management,
and
it
is
also
challenging
our
like.
B
We
don't
seem
to
be
that
open
to
getting
stuff,
and
this
is
challenging
how
we,
how
we
think
about
that,
because,
like
one
of
the
first
use
cases
for
the
talking
gate
was
education
and
the
first
thing
we
thought
is
what
was
like:
okay,
but
the
academy
is
doing
a
lot
of
effort
on
keeping
education
open.
How
so
how?
B
How
else
are
we
going
to
use
the
talking
gate
and
we
are
continuously
running
into
that
wall,
where
we
have
a
lot
of
competing
ideas
like
what
everyone
said
on
when
we
have
on
the
tc
having
a
lot
of
stuff?
That's
similar,
it's.
I
think
it's
also
a
symptom
of
the
same
thing
like
we
have
announcements
in
the
newsletter
and
like
we,
we
like
to
share
things
on
the
open,
and
now
we
are
just
trying
to
find
out
things
that
we
can,
that
are
valuable
enough
to
keep
in
secret.
D
Personally,
I
think,
spending
time
to
train
someone
to
become
at
least
quasi
token
engineer.
D
You
know
going
through
the
beginner,
the
intermediate
and
the
advanced
category
courses
and
consulting
with
long
tail
financial
in
terms
of
how
they
like
everything,
that
it
takes
for
them
to
to
provide
the
token
hearing,
service
and
emulating
that,
and
you
know,
requesting
asking
for
people.
I
mean
a
lot
of
the
people.
Perhaps
maybe
half
of
the
people
that
I've
onboarded
they
were
looking
to
consult
with
us
for
tokyo
for
their
project.
D
And
I
was
ashamed
to
say
we
didn't
have
the
talent,
because
the
demand
fired,
pay
the
supply
and
because
we
were
sort
of
like
early
in
terms
of
like
the
t,
fundamentals
course
wasn't
ready.
Yet
so
there
aren't
enough
billionaires
out
there.
So
personally,
I
think
if
we
spend
time
sort
of
like
sponsoring
someone
or
training
someone
to
become
a
token
engineer
and
associating
with
partnering
with
long-term
financial
to
mentor
that
person
and
then
offering
that
person
with
the
disclaimer
that
it's
not
the
full
token
hearing
service.
D
But
it's
a
beginning,
and
it
is
a
much
cheaper
one
than
the
alternative
of
actually
asking
a
token
here,
which
is
like
a
data
scientist
in
terms
of
the
cost.
I
think
if
we
went
that
route,
it
would
be
much
more.
D
Much
more
valuable
in
terms
of
income
generation
than
a
token
gated
channel,
because
there's
I'm
not
saying
it's
not
going
to
be
valuable.
I'm
just
saying:
there's
so
much
information
out
there
and
we're
going
to
be
competing
with
like
influencers
that
offer
that
service
for
free,
because
they
find
ways
to
monetize
it
on
the
back
end.
D
B
B
If
I
make
quick
interrupter
so
there's
a
few
things
happening
there
again,
the
token
gate
was
just
easy
to
get
done,
but
there's
like
that's
a
more
complex
project,
just
like
you
pointed
out,
and
for
instance,
the
academy
is
doing
similar
things.
Now
we
run
into
the
issue
of
our
relationship
with
the
other
parties
on
the
on
the
tea
ecosystem
and
how
we
deal
with.
That
is
something
that
we
that
won't
be
figured
out.
B
You
know
in
a
day
and
that's
actually
something
we
are
sort
of
working
on
and
but
also
you
know
in
the
case
of
the
academy,
they
are
fully
down
to
working
with
the
fundamental
scores,
so
that's
sort
of
in
the
icebox
right
now
so
yeah
like.
B
I
fully
agree
with
you,
but
there
are
some
projects
that,
like
a
lot
of
us
agree,
can
drive
major
value
but
aren't
just
easy
or
feasible
right
now,
but
we
are
we're
doing
our
best
to
work
towards
them
and
last
thing
before
we
continue.
We
are
almost
at
the
top
of
the
hour
and
I
I
want
just
to
to
make
sure
what
like.
B
What's
the
conclusion
on
opening
the
talking
gate
channel
right
now,
should
we
wait
for
the
next
week
and
see
what
reach
and
they
don't
have
to
say
about
the
the
scope
of
the
content
and
like,
what's
the
what's
the
value
that
it's
going
to
bring
before
we
open
it
up,
or
should
we
start
right
away
and
try
to,
I
don't
know,
promote
it
to
other
people
leading
calls
and
trying
to
try
them
to
get
people
into
the
the
tokengate
channel?
You
know
just
going
after
more
regular
contributors.
D
Yeah,
if
you
let
me
just
just
answer
to
that,
I
don't
think
would
be
it's
a
blue
ocean
market
that
we're
operating
in,
I
don't
think,
would
be
cannibalizing
or
taking
away
from
what
the
academy
is
doing.
If
we
offer
some
sort
of
services
that
overlap
with
what
they're
doing,
I
don't
think
would
be
like,
I
don't
think
we
need
to
tiptoe
around
like.
Oh,
we
cannot
offer
this
service
because
the
t
academy
is
offering
it.
D
I
mean
we're
on
a
we're
like
objectively
on
a
crisis
here,
and
we
funded
the
t
academy
like
we're,
on
the
same,
like
we're
playing
on
the
same
team
like
we're
on
the
same
ecosystem.
So
I
I
think,
there's
enough
space
for
two
whales
on
the
blue
ocean
market
that
we're
creating
that.
That's
that's
what
I
wanted.
G
Oh,
my
god,
I
think,
because
there
was
there
was
talk
on
this
around
a
month
ago
of
trying
to
create
a
version.
One
of
of
specific,
specifically
what
you
talk
about,
which
I
agree
is
that
it
won't
make
the
most
sense
with
the
without
vision,
but
I
believe
it
was
the
the
tea
academy.
F
Yeah,
I
I
think
this
conversation,
it's
super
important
as
well,
and
I
think
we
should
keep
keep
having
it
probably
during
the
next
call
and
yeah
just
like
kent
said
I
think,
we're
at
the
top
of
the
hour.
I
just
wanted
to
say
real
quick
that
I
think
something
I
think
before
promoting
the
the
token
gated
channel.
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
to
get
to
an
agreement
about
the
purpose
of
it
and
and
something
that
I
got
from
manu,
that
I
think
it
would
be
like
a
super.
F
Really
good
idea
is
to
maybe
as
a
suggestion.
In
the
meantime,
we
could
look
for
examples
of
other
communities
or
of
other
taos
or
projects
having
a
token
gated
channel
and
see
what
they're
doing
with
that,
and
maybe
we
can
get
some
ideas,
some
ideas
from
there
that
we
can
discuss
next
week.
So
that's
just
like
my
my
closing
comment.
C
Yeah,
I'm
just
going
to
say
you
know
token.
Gating
is
just
a
it's
just
a
like
a
paywall
right
for
so
all
you're.
Doing
really
is
artificially
restricting
you
know
certain
things,
but
the
question
is:
is
what
does
the
market
actually
want
from
us
right?
What
is
what
can
we
provide
that,
for
example,
the
t
academy
hasn't
already
you
know
it?
C
You
know
I
came
in
here
with
an
idea
about
something
for
sampo,
but
I
guess
it's
not
on
the
table
for
now,
but
maybe
I
guess
I'm
just
token
gating
by
itself
is
just
a
you
know:
it's
just
a
kind
of
a
paywall
situation,
so
I
don't
fully
understand
I
mean
I
can
see
why
people
would
be
resistant
to
the
paywall
idea,
but
what
precisely
are
we
going
to
provide
like
so
like
the
very
first
thing
I
do
when
I'm
working
with
marketing
communications
people
is,
who
is
it
you
want
to
talk
to
so?
C
Are
there
sub
sections
of
token
engineers
we
want
to
get
to
are
what
about
the
five
or
the
eight
different
kinds
of
dows
that
exist?
Are
we
targeting
any
one
of
those
right?
So
these
are
all
questions
that
I
would
have
to
ask
just
token.
Gating
by
itself
is
not
particularly
meaningful,
but
but
what
is
it
specifically
that
we
have
to
add
value?
And
I
just
you
know
wonder
what
hide
behind
this
paywall
this
can
be
so
valuable
and
to
who
you
know
so.
I'd
basically
want
to.
C
B
Yeah
one
of
the
really
like
one
of
the
conclusions
we
made
when
launching
the
talking
kitty
channel
was
that
at
least
like
we,
we
aren't
sure
of
what
do
we
want
to
get
or
if
there's
anything
we
actually
want
to
get
because
we,
like,
I
said
we
like
to
share
things
in
the
open.
But
the
thing
with
this
version,
0.1
of
the
token
channel.
B
Let's
call
it
away
is
that
we
just
we
are
just
opening
a
more
direct
conversation
channel
for
with
talking
holders,
so
the
the
only
the
only
requirement
to
join
the
channel
is
having
one
tc
that
you
can
easily
get
with
praise.
So
it's
at
this
point
it's
more
about
a
more
direct
funnel
of
communication
than
actually
getting
things,
and
that's
probably
how
it's
going
to
operate
for
some
for
a
decent
amount
of
time
until
we,
you
know
actually
figure
out.
What
is
that
we
want
to
make
with
it
right.
C
B
Before
before
you
entered
bear
said
that
gideon
made
a
comment
on
our
use
of
roles,
and
I
guess
this
is
a
great
example,
because
now
we
have
a
dedicated
role
for
people
that
we
know
that
have
our
token
and
we
can
direct
information
to
them
easily
and
and
that's
how
I'm
I'm
saying
it
like
we,
we
fair
like
I.
I
think
we
need
better,
better
role,
management
in
general
and
the
talking
gate
is
a
great
direction
to
to
do
that.
I
guess
I.
G
Think,
that's,
I
don't
know
if
I
agree
with
you
on
that.
I
think
that
it's
it's
a
good
like
it
has
raised
the
issues
that
we
have
with
raw
management,
but
I
don't
think
it's
a
catch-all
because
it's
one
additional
role
right.
If
you
actually
wanted
to
role-manage,
then
that's
a
separate
discussion
on
both
the
structure
of
the
disc
or
the
channels
trying
to
kind
of
condense,
condensed
channels
into
one
rearrange:
rearrange
them,
so
some
of
them
are
more
accessible
than
others,
and
then
you
can
consider.
G
I
the
only
thing
I
can
think
of
that
might
be
useful.
More
to
token
holders
is
to
bring
in
like,
but
this
isn't
con.
This
isn't
content
curation.
This
is
simply
like,
essentially
building
out
like
a
simple
bot
that,
just
on
on
in
the
event
that
a
boat
is
required
in
the
in
the
gardens
that
token
holders
are
basically
at
it
and
they're.
Like
hey.
You
check
out
this
proposal.
B
Yeah,
that's
that's
one
thing
I
proposed,
but
I
don't
I
don't
know
I
don't
really
feel
comfortable
like
assuming
what
is
it
going
for,
especially
because
gideon
and
richa
who
are
sort
of
in
charge
of
the
project
aren't
here
so
like
I'm
trying
to
come
up
with
something,
but
you
know
it's
not
like.
B
I
know
what
do
they
have
in
their
minds,
but
I'm
getting
the
impression
that
we
probably
should
wait
before
making
any
effort
to
open
it
up
more
and
just
just
get
a
more
direct
information
from
them
on
what
are
they
thinking
about?
It.
G
Yeah,
I
think
that
we
can
certainly
add
value,
but
it
does
make
sense
to
like
it
to
me.
It
raises
questions
on
the
rest
of
the
content,
because
we
also
don't
want
to
because
yeah
there's
like
in
order
to
token
gate.
You
also
need
to
know
like
what
doesn't
go
in
right.
So
if
another
group
has
something
that
would
be
good
to
to
tokengate
and
they
posted
outside
of
that,
then
you
know
the
value
of
our
token.
Gate
also
reduces
closing.
D
I
think
I
think
it
was
interesting
that
you
assumed
that
the
twitter
scraping
that
the
output
from
the
twitter
scraping
bought
was
linked
somehow,
with
the
token
gated.
It's
not
like,
like
there's
overlap,
and
I
I
gladly.
G
No,
what
I
mean
what
I
mean
by
that
is
sorry.
What
I
mean
by
that
is
the
first
post
of
the
tokengate
channel
is
something
that
is
so
I
I
would
agree
that
in
this
scenario,
it's
transparency,
that's
in
the
wrong
right,
but
it's
like
very
similar
to
what
transparency
does
in
their
other
rook
in
their
audit
report.
G
No
obviously,
which
I
added
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
meat
to
to
the
to
the
to
the
visualization,
but
that's
kind
of
this,
the
same
thing
we've
been
doing
in
the
in
the
audit
reports.
So
it's
I
don't.
F
G
B
Yeah
like
well,
I
don't,
I
don't
think
it
is
necessarily
competing
with,
in
this
case
transparency,
just
as
you
said,
because
even
you
know,
you're
right
just
the
transparency
report
needs
to
improve,
but
overall
the
message
on
the
talking,
gated
channel
is
way
more
digestible
and
more
way,
more
quick,
and
I
myself
would
probably
appreciate
it
more
than
going
through
the
audi
report
because
there's
a
lot
of
things.
B
I
don't
particularly
care
about-
I
guess,
but
also
I
don't
know,
levy,
also
posted
the
poll
on
the
stakeholder
signal
and
there's
way
less
noise
on
this
channel
than
on
the
other
channel.
She
posted
that.
I
think
it
was
the
general
or
something
like
that,
and
so
again
there's
clear
room
for
improvement,
but
I
can
see
for
the
price
that
the
the
project
like
for
like
for
the
cost
of
the
project,
I
can
see
how
it
can
add
value.
Some.
B
Okay
well
yeah,
and
then
I
can
go
on
talking
about
guild,
but
then
guild
is
an
awesome
tool
not
only
for
talking
getting
but
for
role.
Access
in
general
and,
like
the
talking
gate,
has
a
few
just
a
few
weeks
and
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of.
We
can
learn
from
it
and
we
can
use
it
and
look
like
we
can
combine,
like
other
set
like
the
creation
service
with
the
token
gate.
But
those
are
things
that
we're
going
to
figure
out.
B
You
know
with
time,
but
we
made
the
what's
more
important.
It's
just
you
know
the
first
step
that
was
just
launching
the
talking
gta
channel.
Now
now
we
are
in
the
path
to
figuring
out.
What's
what's
it
that
we're
going
to
use
it?
For
I
was
enough,
you
know
these
are
all
very
legit
concerns.
I
would.
B
I
was
probably
coming
to
the
conversation
with
a
more
technical
approach
about
solving
issues
with
the
talking
getty
channel,
because
that's
what
I
worked
on
in
the
project
like
I
I
I
tested
the
tools
etc,
and
I
was
just
looking
to
solve
any
of
the
potential
issues
and
that's
why
I
wanted
to
promote
it.
But
I
think
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
that
probably
not
to
bring
us
as
much
people
to
a
place
that
we
aren't
really
sure.
Yet
that's
like
how
it's
going
to
use
it
for.
G
B
That's
a
long
block,
that's
most
most
likely
because
the
token
it's
not
a
standard
erc20,
but
the
guild
team
is
supposedly
working
on
it.
I
hope
that
you
know
they
can
solve
it
soon.
G
C
I
think
it's
important
to
just
recognize
how
how
backwards
this
is
from
the
way
that
this
entire
community
was
set
up
from
the
beginning
right.
So
so
all
the
stuff.
We
didn't
think
about
we're
all
going
to
be
funding
things
and
giving
money
to
people
instead
of
you
know
getting
them
to
then
reverse
the
whole
thing,
and
suddenly
we've
got
we're
providing
services
and
asking
for
money
from
people
right
or
or
qualifying
them
in
that
way.
C
So
it's
an
interesting
problem
and
it
seems
to
me
that
we
should
probably
you
know,
revisit
our
you
know,
vision,
mission,
values
and
other
stuff
to
I
mean
frankly,
we're
in
the
middle
of
doing
gravity's
whole
thing
and
and
we're
setting
ourselves
up
to
do
both
sides
of
the
picture
where
we
actually
have
clients
and
we
will
be
funding
things
and
having
clients
at
the
same
time,
and
so
fundamentally,
if
we
had
thought
of
this
right
sort
of
from
the
beginning
that
we
hey,
you
know
what
what
happens.
C
If
there's
a
bear
market,
you
know,
maybe
we
could
have
avoided
some
of
this.
So,
from
my
perspective,
I
feel
like
we
need
to
kind
of
stop
for
a
second,
instead
of
just
being
like
okay,
we
got
this
one
working
group
working
on
this.
I
think
we
need
to
revisit
what
the
whole
value
proposition
is
of
the
token
engineering,
commons
and
yeah.
Okay,
it
can
be
a
showing
point,
but
also
we
we
provide
services
and
we
do
other
things.
So
I
think
it's
maybe
a
deeper
thing
than
just
hey.
C
F
Yeah,
I
agree
on
that
too,
and
I
think
this
is
something
that
has
been
talked.
I've
heard
nate
and
levy
talk
about
this
like
revisiting
the
the
mission
vision
values.
I
think
that
that's
kind
of
a
priority-
and
this
is
something
that
it's
kind
of
like
coming
up
regularly
like
through
different
working
groups
and
through
different
projects,
is
like
you
know,
kind
of
like
trying
to
remind
us
that
you,
you
guys,
should
go
back
and
should
start
again
and
should
revisit
what
you're
doing
and,
like
that
fundamentally
part
of
of
what
the
tc
is
right.
F
F
That,
but
at
the
same
time,
I
think
that
we
should
still
keep
moving
right
like,
for
example,
what
we
were
saying
before
that
during
this
time.
That
is
summer
time
and
people
are
not
as
active
or
at
least
not
like
the
contributors
that
used
to
be
as
active
because
they're
on
vacation
or
whatever,
like.
What
does
that
mean
for
the
tc?
E
F
E
I
just
want,
I
just
want
to
say
something
real,
quick,
because
I
do
think
that
we,
you
know
we
have
this
kind
of
economic
tunnel
vision
in
a
lot
of
ways
where
we
look
at
our
economy
and
we
say:
oh,
why
isn't
it
working?
Why
isn't
it
doing
this?
And
you
know
we?
E
We
don't
really
see
the
the
impact
that
we
we've
had
so
far
and
and
we
when
it
comes
to
the
being
the
shelling
point,
we've
done
a
really
really
really
good
job
in
terms
of
facilitating
the
tec
te
academy,
the
getting
token
engineers
aggregated
into
a
single
place,
we've
had
help
conversations.
We've
done
a
lot
of
really
good
things
in
terms
of
becoming
a
shelling
point.
I
do
think
this
is
kind
of
the
first
phase
of
it
as
we
start
to
focus
on
the
economic
aspect
of
it.
E
I
don't
want
to
take
our
eyes
off
of
what
we've
the
foundations
that
we've
set
up
for
the
token
engineering
field
in
general
and
and
we're
going
to
have.
You
know
this
kind
of
evolution
that
is
unknown
and
uncertain,
but
I
think
that
we,
we
do
have
a
good
foundation
here
and
I
don't
want
people
to
be
kind
of
solely
focused
on
this
economic
issue
at
present,
and
you
know
yeah.
C
So
what
you're
talking
about
really
brings
me
back
to
saying
this
is
the
value
that
we
have
right.
We
have.
The
value
is
our
culture.
We
have
a
value
that
is
our
so
now
that
we've
got
this
value
and
that
we
are
the
default
by
default
right,
which
is
what
the
shelling
point
is.
You
know
the
place
where
people
turn
in
the
absence
of
any
other
alternative.
C
That's
itself
a
value
right,
so
you
know
so
so
we
should,
you
know,
revisit
our
our
entire
way.
We
sort
of
market
ourselves,
and
it's
it's
it's
funny
to
me,
actually
that
we
have
an
entire
comms
group.
You
know
within
this
community.
C
G
Work
on
revisiting
this
vision,
I
mean
we,
we
will
need
everybody
to
agree
to
it.
However,
oftentimes
going
in
raw
wastes
a
lot
of
time
right
like
because
there's
there's
a
lot
more
back
and
forth.
However,
if
we
revisit
it
and
we
give
some
options
they're,
all
it's,
it's
a
it's
an
easier
process
for
everybody
and
ends
up
bringing
the
best.
B
I
actually
disagree
like
I
agree
with
the
general
sentiment
and
statement,
especially
of
durgadas,
but
I
don't.
I
don't
really
follow
or
I
don't
really
think
that's
the
best
way
to
go
about
it.
I
think
in
this
at
this
point
we
are
doing
the
best
way
possible,
we're
doing
the
best
thing
possible,
which
is
just
sort
of
naturally
evolving,
like
from
a
lot
of
the
projects
samples
working
on.
B
I'm
I'm,
of
course
talking
about
sample
because
that's
where
I'm
actually
more
involved,
but
also
communications
is,
you
know,
undergoing
major
changes
and
and
also
the
stewards.
So
we
are
naturally
evolving
and
right
now,
like
revisiting
the
mission
vision
values.
B
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
that
productive,
because
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
not
even
in
practice,
we
know.
What
are
we
going
to
do
is
sit
down
and
talk
about
them
in
theory
and
that
and
then
just
try
to
chase
after
that
theory,
when
in
like
in
practice,
we
haven't
been
able
to
figure
it
out.
Yet
I
think
what's
going
that,
like,
I
think
the
probably
the
smartest
way
to
go
about.
B
It
is
just
freaking
things
out
and
then
revisiting
the
mission,
vision
of
values
to
sort
of
accommodate
what
we
are
working
towards.
B
Yeah
right
that
seems
upside
down
to
me
and
we
in
at
least
for
the
most
part.
I
don't
think
we
haven't
really
made
anything
contrary
to
the
exhibition.
G
General
say
I
was
taking
a
look
at
the
kde
project,
which
is
a
well
desktop
environment.
Basically
one
of
the
two
biggest
desktop
environments
in
in
linux.
G
They
have
a
vote
between
developers
in
which
any
developer
can
kind
of
bring
about
the
core
values
and
the
developers
essentially
select.
G
These
are
the
these
are
the
ones
that
we
should
focus
on
and
the
top
three
ones
are
selected
are
championed
over
the
following
two
years
and
then
that
process
is
repeated
over
and
over
and
over
right.
So
every
two
years
they
select
right.
Now
we
want
to
increase
accessibility
in
the
steps,
so
now
we
want
to
make
make
it
look,
modern,
etc,
etc.
So
it's
it's
not
uncommon,
and
I
I
I
disagree
with
the
idea
that
going
in
blind
is
going
to
be
more
productive
than.
B
A
E
E
E
And-
and
I
will
say,
the
mvv
is
not,
you
know
the
it's
not
so
much
the
goals
of
the
organization
itself,
but
more
more,
giving
giving
the
current
participants
ownership
over
that.
You
know
we're
going
to
have
a
revolving
door
of
participants
and
contributors
and
people
that
are
going
to
come
in
and
go
away
and
each
time
that
happens.
We
need
to
have
a
periodic
review
of
the
mvp,
not
not
for
the
sake
of
changing
anything.
E
You
know
it
could
it
could
end
up
being
the
same
thing,
but
we
have
to
have
this
kind
of
a
sense
of
ownership
by
the
the
new
contributors
that
come
in
that
they
had
to
say
that
they
had
an
input
that
they
have
some
sense
of
ownership
of
what?
Where
we're
heading-
and
I
think
that's
the
the
hugest
value
that
it
provides.
A
A
I
mean
nate
and
auntie
and
bear
like
joining
soft
golf
calls
and
really
doing
the
squat
analysis
and
thinking
about
a
lot
of
the
mvp
processes
and
later
on,
coming
to
sampo
and
like
thinking
of
how
are
we
going
to
experiment,
for
example,
even
with
the
token
gated
channel?
Yes,
we,
it
would
be.
I
mean
it's
the
ideal
scenario
that
we
have
it
like.
We
have
to
tell
a
story
while
marketing
this
service
right,
we
have
to
have
a
valid.
A
How
are
we
going
to
promote
this,
but
at
the
same
time,
we
I
I
remember
one
of
the
initial
goals
of
creating
it
in
the
first
place,
was
just
to
just
get
moving
with
like
experimenting
and
seeing
okay.
What
if
we
have
this
channel
and
we
actually
promote
it
to
talk
token
holders
and
they
come
into
the
channel
and
they
want
to
see
and
get
a
sense
of
okay?
A
Do
they
start
engaging
in
it
today
like
what
are
the
things
that
they
bring
also
and
like
how
they
respond
to
the
content
we
put
in
there?
So
I
think
it's
not
like
one
way
or
the
other,
but
I
have
a
feel
that
we've
already
been
doing.
We've
already
been
working
both
ways
this
past
month.
I
think
really
visioning
this
our
valleys
and
mission,
at
least
like
in
my
experience
with
the
software
of
poles,
but
maybe
maybe
it
hasn't
been
like
translated
into
the
whole
community,
or
maybe
I
don't
know.
A
What
do
you
guys
think
like
it's
is?
Is
the
general
community
aware
of
the
workshops
we've
been
doing
there
and
the
discussions
we've
been
having
around
sofco?
Maybe
it
hasn't
really
went
that
abroad.
I
don't
know
what
do
you
guys
think.
C
Well,
no,
I
I
haven't
heard
anything
out
of
the
soft
calls
I
sort
of
stopped
going,
because
I
heard
that
there
was,
I
heard,
a
lot
of
resistance
to
change
and
evolution
and
everything
in
there,
so
I
kind
of
stopped
attending.
So
that
was
my
feeling
about
it.
I
just
think
we
need
to
recognize
that.
The
reason
why
the
sampo
group
exists
is
because
we
were
short-sighted
when
we
started
this
project
and
we
didn't
think
we
thought
only
in
terms
of
you
know
the
the
bull
market
that
was
going
on.
C
You
know
at
the
time
and
all
the
enthusiasm
that
everyone
had
about.
You
know
getting
it
done
and
all
that
stuff.
So
so
now
we
need
to
do
more
than
just
the
sampo
group.
We
need
to,
you
know,
revise
the
whole.
You
know
way.
We
we
go
about
doing
things
to
create
a
bit
more
of
a
a
bit
more
of
a
resilient.
You
know
population
and
and
set
of
systems,
especially
on
the
economic
side,
so
you
can
benefit
from
both
sides
of
this
picture.
So.
F
Towards
to
what
you're,
seeing
aram
yeah
to
be
honest,
yeah,
I
I
think
that's
also
part
one
of
the
things
right
that
sometimes
conversations
that
happen
within
the
working
groups.
They
just
stay
there
and
they
don't
really
like.
F
We
don't
really
have
like
concrete
actions
after
in
order
to
make
it
like
more
public
and
more
visible
but
like
in
terms
of
the
let's
say
like
the
mvv
and
restructuring
the
tc
and
all
of
this
one
of
the
other
places
that
I've
also
heard
this
conversation.
A
lot
is
it's
been
with,
with
with
the
stewards
like
during
the
retrospective
and
during
the
during
the
sprint
planning
I
feel
like
hannah
can
can
confirm
this.
This
is
something
that
has
been
coming
up.
F
Sometimes
that
bit
has
been
discussed
with
with
huanka
and
with
with
levy
with
edu
a
couple
of
times.
So
so
I
mean
it's
there,
but
maybe
it's
just
not
enough,
and-
and
I
think
we
we
still
need
to
kind
of
like
make
more
of
a
plan
and
take
more
concrete
actions
to
to
make
this
more
into
a
into
an
actual
change
right
and
not
just
leave
it
in.
In
a
conversation.
E
Yeah
with
that
being
said,
I
wanted
to
encourage
all
of
you
to
to
come
tomorrow
morning
to
the
sprint
planning,
because
I
am
proposing
a
completely
different
way
of
doing
sprint
planning
than
we
have
before
that
kind
of
allows
us
to
kind
of
all
aggregate
on
single
issues
and
and
try
to
get
things
done,
be
becoming
more
productive
and
coalition
building
amongst
the
working
groups.
So
it's
not
just
individual
efforts
that
have
very
little
transparency
and
very
little
follow
through.
E
I
think
you
know
getting
us
all
on
the
same
page
and
making
sure
we
have
a
sprint
planning
process
that
reflects
our
organization
and
we
we
have
set
priority
setting
within
each
sprint
planning,
and
so,
if
you
guys
can
make
it
tomorrow
morning,
I'd
be
really
grateful
to
have
you
because
we're
gonna
walk
through
this
new
new
set
up
a
new
process
so
yeah.
B
I'm
about
to
drop
off
the
call
got
some
some
other
stuff
to
do,
but
I
really
look
forward
to
continuing
this
conversation
next
week.
Thanks
everyone.
E
C
E
The
the
whole
purpose
of
this
kind
of
split,
printing,
split
printing
plot
process
that
we've
had
in
the
past
has
been,
in
my
opinion,
really
really
ineffective,
and
so
what
what
I'd
like
to
see
is
to
have
with
it
with
the
new
proposed
setup
for
the
stewards
working
group
or
we
have
a
couple
of
common
stewards,
we'll
have
the
individual
working
group
stewards
is
that
the
working
groups
will
be
dedicated
to
running
their
own
internal.
E
You
know
sprint
planning
processes
what
they
prioritize,
but
but
on
the
commons
level,
we're
going
to
have
a
certain
you
know
two
or
three
big
epics
each
sprint.
You
know
and
we'll
pick
one
of
them
so
we'll
prioritize
one
of
those
epics
each
sprint
and
we're
going
to
try
to
facilitate
each
working
group
to
see
how
the
working
groups
can
actually
contribute
to
executing
on
that
that
particular,
you
know
issue
within
that
epic,
and
so
at
the
end
of
each
sprint
retrospective.
E
We
should
have
at
least
one
epic
achieved,
and
so
we
start
chipping
away
at
the
things
that
the
the
foundational
priorities
that
we
need
to
accomplish
instead
of
having
you
know,
managing
every
working
group
and
every
individual
contribution
to
every
working
group,
and
so
I
would
like
to
see
a
swarm
as
as
working
groups
towards
collective
goals,
rather
than
kind
of
having
these
disparate
initiatives
where
we're
trying
to
keep
up
with
what
everybody
else
is
doing.
It's
like
hey,
let's.
This
is
one
priority.
This
is
this
is
a
priority.
E
We
have
the
sprint
and,
let's
all
swarm
to
it,
let's
make
sure
we
get
it
done
and
then
move
on
to
the
next
one,
and
so
that's
that's
kind
of
the
format.
I'd
like
to
see
occur.
Doing
this,
we
haven't
had
this
done
in
practice
yet,
and
so
I
would
like
to
see
start
to
build
the
foundations
for
that
and
try
to
get
it
executed.
But
did
you
have
any
like
ideas
or
concerns
that
you
are
regarding
that
process?.
C
Well,
it
was
for
me
I
just
keep
wanting
to
see
a
more
precise
iteration
of
things,
liberating
structures
right.
So,
like
the
what
so,
what
now?
What
kind
of
thing
where.
E
C
Like
documented,
what
did
we
do?
You
know
what
do
we
think
about
it,
and
then
you
know
what
are
we
doing
about
it
kind
of
thing
you
know
so.
Okay
and
that's.
C
C
Would
then
do
kind
of
a
liberating
structures?
Kind
of
thing
too
right
in
the
sense
that
it's
to
be
going
to
be
a
bit
more
focused
on
trying
to
I've
just
burned
the
crap
out
of
my
my
lunch
here,
so
I'm
walking
around
trying
to
get
things
to
work
again.
So
sorry,
no.
E
C
That's
funny
yeah,
so
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
that
that,
but
perhaps
you
know
just
getting
some
training
for
the
stewards,
if
you
know
what
I'm
saying
not
just
anybody
who
shows
up,
but
if
you
want
to
be
a
steward,
then
you
need
to
maybe
go
through
and
like
have
trained
somewhat
in
these
liberating
structures
so
that
you
know
what
thing
is
appropriate
for
a
given
moment
right,
because
if
your
job
then
is
to
turn
to
the
community,
the
primary
skill
you
need
is
that
of
facilitation
right
or
maybe
we
can
just
have
you
know,
jeremy
come
and
say:
hey,
let's,
you
know,
maybe
lead
us
through
different
kinds
of
things,
so
we
can
watch
and
observe
his
amazing
skill
about
that.
C
You
know
what
I'm
saying
all
I'm
I'm
just
my
whole
thing
is:
is
that
if
you
put
competence
down
inside
of
the
people
right
so
like,
for
example,
if
you
take
a
look
at
the
the
way
we're
doing
our
gravity
website
right,
we
can
have
a
website
up
in
a
day,
but
I'm
not
doing
that.
I'm
forcing
people
inside
of
the
gravity
go
go
through
a
process
whereby
they
learn
how
we
would
construct
the
website
and
for
what
you
know.
C
So
they
actually
have
to
go
through
this
educational
process
in
order
to
get
the
thing
that
they
want,
which
is
the
website
right.
So
you
don't
just
say
like
we're,
trying
to
do
these
external
things.
We're
trying
to
do
these
external
things,
plus
we're
trying
to
use
the
pretext
of
those
external
things
to
better
develop
all
of
the
individuals
who
are
participating
inside
of
that
system,
so
that
we
would
then
culturally
just
all
agree
that
it
was
important
to
do
this
two-part
process
right.
Not
that
you
just
learn
things
randomly.
E
E
C
E
Rather
like
guiding
them
towards
it
and
making
like
having
education
built
within
it
is
the
hard
part
yeah.
I
think,
but
I
do
I
do
think
separating
it
is
really
important,
because
without
that
separation,
you
know
everybody
has
their
own
version
of
where
we're
heading.
And
if
you
were
to
ask
each
individual
in
the
tec
right
now
what
we
should
be
doing
in
sample
working
group
or
what
we
should
be
doing
in
communications
you're,
going
to
get
an
answer
from
everybody,
a
different.
E
And
that
doesn't
help
anybody,
especially
when
we're
working
independently
of
each
other,
and
so
what
I
would
really
like
to
see
is
like
having
this
high
level
articulation
of
the
direction
we're
heading
for
culture,
where
we're
heading
for
economics,
we're
heading
for
you
know,
ecosystem
for
token
engineering
and
and
having
those
visions
set
out
detailed
articulated
and
then
going.
How
do
we
execute
on
this
yeah
well
see.
C
E
E
C
Think
that
I
think
that
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
is
that
what
we're
doing
is
we
are
oversimplifying
coming
in
and
saying
you
know,
I
mean
it's
nice
as
people
to
go
around
and
say
well,
okay.
So
what
are
your
intentions
and
distractions
well?
Is
that
the
best
way
to
run
a
meeting?
Is
that
what
we
need
right
now
for
this
meeting?
C
E
C
C
E
Part
of
that,
I
think,
is
we
we,
we
got
kind
of
lazy
in
that
terms
because,
like
I,
you
know
at
the
beginning,
when
we
first
started
this,
I
thought
it
was
very
interesting
that
that
concept,
where
each
of
the
working
groups
would
have
their
own
style
of
opening
question.
You
know
com
said
like
pop
culture
and
yeah
media
and
then
yeah
had
like
kind
of
more
deep
aspects
of
it
gravity
compliment,
and
then
it
became
a
little
static.
But,
like
I
I
I
don't
know
how
to
encourage.
E
C
C
Competence
of
people
to
make
you
know
adjustments
in
what
they
do
and
then
they'll
be
like.
Oh
okay,
so
now
I'm
better
at
this,
and
then
everyone
who
works
with
them
underneath
will
be
better
at
that
right.
We've
got
a
super
genius.
We
should
be
paying
that
super
genius
to
help
us
reform
our
methodology.
C
C
You
know
so
that's
the
reason
why
I
wanted
them
here.
This
was
the
reason
why
I
started
talking
about
liberating
structures
in
the
hope
that
we
would
attract
somebody
like
that
and
now
they're
here.
But
what
are
we
doing
with
them?
Yeah
we
aren't
really
we're
still
asking
about
intentions
and
distractions,
and
so
right
so
yeah
you
know.
C
Are
we
really
evolving?
You
know,
so
you
know
that's
what
I'm
saying
is
if
you
actually
put
a
thing
in
place
where
you're
like
I
want
us
as
a
community
and
us
as
stewards
to
be
better
right
and
you
just
keep
showing
up
in
meetings
asking
that
to
to
be
better
right
and
then
you
know
so,
like
I
said
I
I
showed
up
at
soft
gov
for
a
while
and
and
then
I
felt
like
I
was
contributing,
and
then
you
know,
but
then
it
was
like.
C
Well,
I
don't
know
if
things
are
that
bad
I
mean
you
know
like
I'm,
not
asking
I'm
not
saying
it's
bad,
I'm
not
making
a
value
judgment,
I'm
simply
saying
here's
where
we
are:
here's
how
we
can
improve
and
then
keeping
a
relentless
focus
on
that.
Instead
of
people
would
continuously
during
the
times
that
I
was
talking,
they
would
say
well,
we
have
to
realize
you
know,
we've
done
just
groundbreaking
things
and
it's
not
like
you
know
so,
like
we
just
get
all
these
people
apologizing
and
I'm
like.
C
I
have
a
relentless
focus
on
improvement
continuously.
That's
all
I'm
talking
about
it's
not
like
I'm
denigrating.
What
we've
already
done.
What
I'm
saying!
Okay
from
here,
you
know,
I
mean
this.
Is
you
have
to
take
a
coaching?
You
know
attitude
toward
things
right.
It's.
This
is
a
big
group
of
people.
It
takes
a
long
time
to
move
them.
If
you're
not
continuously
coaching
them,
you
know,
then
they
don't
go
anywhere.
You
know
I.
E
And
I
I
can
I
do
that
a
lot
actually
you
know,
but
but
the
thing
is,
is
that
it's
not
so
much
like
defensive,
but
it's
like
I.
C
C
E
So
to
any
like
kind
of
negative
mindsets
in
terms
of
not
not
so
much
criticizing
but,
like
you
know,
saying
it's,
you
know
doomsday
for
everything
like
there's
nothing
to
panic
about
and.
E
No,
no!
No!
No,
I'm
just
saying
that
you
know
my
my
comments
on
things
regarding
that
are
always
to
counter
that
notion.
C
E
See
I
I
welcome
all
criticisms
and
negative
negative
viewpoints,
but
to
a
degree
you
know,
I
do
think
that
we
should
focus
on
the
the
good
things
that
we've
done
as
well.
I
I
just
don't
think
we
share
that
enough
as
well.
So.
E
Awesome
but
yeah,
I
you
know,
and
I
would
love
to
have
that
type
of
feedback
as
well.
When
it
comes
to
the
sprint
planning
process
so
yeah
I
I
will
try
to
articulate
that
as
best
I
can
and
try
to
put
it
in
the
forum
and.
C
Continuous
improvement
is
a
is
a
well-known
sprint.
You
know
as
a
well-known
I.t
thing,
where
you're
just
continuously
in
a
loop
of
continuous
improvement
right,
that's
you
know
you're,
just
iterating
and
making
things
better,
and
it's
just
everyone
accepts
that.
You
know
that
that
thing
is
and
if
you,
if
you
end
up
with
this
mentality,
where
everyone's
sitting
there
thinking
oh
geez,
you
know
you
know
we
really
we
really
screwed
up
like
I'm
not
over
here.
You
know
too
much
going
hey.
I
told
you
so
about
all
this.
You
know
what
about
the
bear
market.
C
You
know,
how
does
it
work
in
that
situation?
Everyone
was
so
idealistic
at
the
beginning
of
that.
So
how
do
we
handle
that
part
of
it?
You
know
what
happens
when
things
are
better?
Oh,
you
know,
that's
just
thinking
negatively
see,
and
so
then,
I'm
like
all
right.
So,
okay,
so
now
later
on,
you
know
I'm
just
be
like
hey,
you
know,
taking
a
wide
viewpoint
on
things,
isn't
automatically
negative
right.
Yeah.
E
I
I'm
particularly
sensitive
at
this
point
in
time,
because
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
changes
and
I
don't
think
we've
been
handling
that
change
very
well
yeah
and
so
trying
to
try
to
make
sure
that
everybody
understands
that
this
is
a
normal
process
and
not
something.
That's
like
totally.
C
And,
and
what
I'm
saying
is
that
that
things
like
putting
liberating
structures
into
our
daily
stuff,
making
stewards
have
competence
in
them?
Would
normalize
would
ritualize
the
kind
of
low-level
conflict
that
you're
talking
about?
That's
actually
what
jeremy
said
has
stuck
with
me.
He
said
and
that's
the
thing
about
liberating
structures.
Is
they
ritualize
conflict.
E
That's
something
that
I
wish
we
had
beautiful
a
space
for,
and
we
we
really
don't
like
I,
I
would
love
to
have
a
dedicated
space,
for
you
know,
criticisms.
You
know,
improvements,
things
of
that
nature,
where
we
don't,
we
don't
naturally
just
automatically
try
to
condemn
it
or
or
stop
it
from
happening
right.
E
You
know,
because,
because
we
we
expect
this,
you
know
we
have
it
merged
in
some
working
group
calls
and
it
comes
out
and
people
don't
know
how
to
handle
it
myself
included
because
I'm
like
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
the
spaceport,
because
we're
trying
to
work
on
these
x
y
and
z.
But
if
we
had
a
dedicated
space
for
that
type
of
of
dialogue,.
C
A
lot
easier,
there's
a
dedicated
space
about
learning,
to
be
competent
in
that,
and
then
therefore,
then
it
would
push
it
out
to
everyone
else
in
the
community
and
when
I
see
a
thing
where
we
have
so
much
change,
one
of
the
best
ways
to
do
that
is
to
ritualize
those
changes
to
to
create
some
kind
of
learn,
something
where
you're
like
now.
I
have
to
adhere
to
a
thing,
and
it's
like
okay.
Well,
that
creates
all
kinds
of
now.
I
can
take
the
thing
that
seemed
like
a
conflict.
A
E
And
that
might
be
an
interesting
use
case
for
the
token
gated
channels
to
be
honest
right,
just
having
a
having
a
place
where
token
holders
can
come
and
say,
hey
we're
going
to
talk
about
this
today
and
all
all
your
thoughts
and
criticisms
and
and
yeah
just
perspectives
that
you
want
to
get
out
on
the
table.
Everything
that's
been,
bothering
you
throw
it
out,
you
know
and
we'll
talk
about
it.
C
Well,
you
remember
when
we
all
had
a
book
club
about
about
most
trump's
principles.
The
reason
why
we
did
that
was
because
we
wanted
to
make
sure
everyone
was
on
the
same
page
in
terms
of
where
we
were
orienting
ourselves
on
a
commons,
I'm
just
suggesting
that
we
use
a
different
tool
set
and
a
different
book
club
and
a
different
thing
and
have
a
different
requirement
for
people
who
are
going
to
be
stewards
to
have
a
minimum
level
of.
C
Experience,
right
and
and
and
liberating
structure
is
just
one
of
those.
You
know
potential
things,
it's
very
deep,
there's
an
awful
lot
to
it
and
it
does
everything
we
want
it
to
do
each
one
of
them
right.
It
makes
it
more
egalitarian
and
everything.
So
I
guess
I
just
kind
of
keep
asking
for
that.
You
know.
C
And
if
we're
spinning
off
like
we
are
to
our
own
dow
right,
can
there
be
some
kind
of
like
tithing
situation
from
us
to
you
guys,
that's
another.
So
if
we're
spinning
off
groups,
you
know
to
do
different
things,
you
know:
does
the
te
academy
bring
money
back
into
the
token
engineering
commons
yep
it
does
so?
Well,
maybe
you
know
that's
the
thing
that
you
know
we
need
to
do
with
gravity
too
right
I
mean.
E
No,
it
doesn't
currently
right
now,
they're
just
facilitating
the
first
fundamentals
course
and
then
then
moving
on
from
there,
but
they
will
have
token
utility
through
their
nft
and
certification
stuff,
and
I
think,
later
on,
they
might
have
some
special
like
more
niche
field
courses
where
people
actually
pay
in
tvc
tokens
right.
C
E
Right
so,
okay
yeah,
so
that
I
think
that
this
is
all
really
good
for
conversations,
and
I
would
like
to
see
that
too.
So
maybe
we
could
start
like
a
stewards
program
for
educating
like
a
requirement
to
become
a
steward.
C
Well-
and
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
that
if,
if
we're
going
to
move
the
emphasis
of
a
steward
from
them
being
good
at
whatever
it,
is
that
they're
good
at
right
and
getting
done
to
facilitating
between
large
numbers
of
people
asking
them
how
to
get
something
done,
then
it
is.
We
can't
just
assume
that
that's
a
transferable
skill
right
that
that,
because
a
person
is
automatically
good
at
one,
you
know
doing,
one
thing
doesn't
make
them
able
to
facilitate
it
right,
yeah.
So.
E
E
C
Exactly
and
jeremy's
very
rarely
the
the
expert
in
anything
you
know
in
any
group
that
he's
in,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
he's
amazing
at
drawing
people
out
who
are
right
so,
and
I
think
just
it
goes
a
long
way
to
to
say.
If
we're
going
to
be
stewards,
how
can
we
be
better
stewards
right?
Better
stewarding
could
be
our
the
name
of
our
you
know,
kind
of
thing.
You
know
that
could
actually
be
a
product
that
we
produce
for
other
doubts.
That
say
how
does
one
actually
become
better
at
this?
C
What
are
the
key
components
of
becoming
better
stewards
right,
so
we
could
just
turn
that
right
around
and
say
you
know,
you
know
how
to
be
a
better
steward
for
things
and
so
anyway,
so
that
that's
also
a
sampo
thing,
because
then
that
would
bring
money
in
right.
People
would
go.
We'd
go
in
and
charge
people
to
teach
them
how
to
do
that
right,
identify
people
who
are
already
pretty
good
at
it
and
make
them
better
so
anyway.
These
are
all
just
things
that
I
kind
of
showed
up
today
to
talk
a
little
bit
about.
E
G
D
I
don't
think
it's
necessarily
a
faustian
bargain
if
we,
if
we,
if
we
you
know,
try
to
lean
on
to
that,
I
think
it's
in
terms
of
survival,
or
at
least
in
terms
of
like
providing
just
increasing
the
talent.
Like
I
mean
it's
like
we're,
amputating
our
foot
and
calling
ourselves
more
nimble
and
expecting
it
to
grow
back
right,
and
it's
like
we're
we're
literally
like
it's
yeah
we're
decreasing
the
pace
like
I
understand,
but
I
think
like
what
we're
doing
it.
D
It's
not
enough
or
if
it's
enough,
I
just
would
like
to
see
data
on
historic.
You
know
result
from
projects
that
we're
emulating.
Why
don't
we
just
copy
from
projects
that
that
have
you
know
amazing
utility
in
the
amount
that
we
can
in
the
amount
that
it
aligns
with
our
mission
and
vision.
So.
E
The
problem
is,
I
don't
think
we,
there
are
many
projects
that
we
can
emulate.
I
don't
think
people
have
solved
the
utility
issue
outside
of
network
tokens.
You
know
the
the
dows
that
I've
seen
have
very
little
utility
for
their
token,
most
of
it's
based
off
of
speculation,
and
so
when
it
comes
to
generating
you
know
like
having
a
metric
for
success.
I
I
look
at
the
te
academy.
E
I
mean
they
have
around
a
little
bit
over
2
000
people
who
are
about
to
take
this
te
fundamentals
course
that
is
2
000
token
engineers
being
trained
into
the
space,
and-
and
you
know
we
were
a
part
of
that-
and
I
think
that
that
is
a
huge
accomplishment
that
we
can
lean
into
yeah
and
have
a
lot
of
human
capital
to
to
drive
a
lot
of
the
initiatives
that
we
want
to
see.
And
so
I
I
think
it
takes
time.
Honestly.
D
C
You
can
think
that
that
gravity
is
a
cultural
outgrowth
of
that
too
right,
because,
but
I
I'm
just
suggesting
that
we
actually
pay
a
little
more
attention
to
the
gravity
side
of
the
picture.
It's
a
conflict.
If
we
forgot
that
you
know,
maybe
there
could
be
a
bear
market
and
people
would
evacuate
our
our
group.
Do
you
know
what
I'm
saying
or
they
would
they
would
overly
switch
from
being
concerned
with
the
culture
to
suddenly
being
concerned
with
you
know,
having
a
job
in
token
engineering,
specifically
right.
C
So
sorry,
I
I
think
I
interrupted
finally.
D
That,
if
there's
such
thing
as
a
golden
bullet,
they
think
think
in
terms
of
double
seven
golden
gone
right.
If
there's
a
golden
bullet
to
like
assassinate
financial
scarcity,
I
think
it
would
be
a
grant
from
the
ethereum
foundation,
like
I
just
saw.
I
just
saw
a
clip
from
vitalik
saying
that
he's
gonna
donate
the
proceeding
from
his
next
book,
which
compiles
a
lot
of
articles
regarding
he's
gonna
donate
them
to
bitcoin,
as
if
gitco
needed
more
money.
You
know
why
don't
he
donate
it
to
us.
I
mean
honestly.
C
D
Regret
not
just
like
trying
to
being
in
front
of
vitalik
in
east
mexico,
and
just
you
know
persuading
him
or
there's
coming
up
with
a
performance.
Some
type
of
you
know
spoken
word
poem
or
some
sort
of
like
some
sort
of
cry
for
battling
him
attentive
to
our
needs,
because
we
are
certainly
paving
the
road
for
a
lot
of
protocols
to
come,
and
I
think.
G
Good
because
shouldn't
we,
like
it,
delays
the
inevitable
right
to
get
a
brand
from
the
ethereum
foundation,
like
a
massive
grant
to
basically
leech
off
of.
If
the
underlying
system
that
we
have
built
is
a
it's
a
strainer
right.
D
Or
you
could
give
it
more
time
to
address
the
problem.
I
I
certainly
I
agree
with
your
ex
and
with
google
in
that
the
problem
is
structural,
but
as
we're
solving
the
problem.
At
the
same
time
like
we
are
preventing
ourselves
from
having
the
talent
or
the
capabilities
to
better
address
the
problem.
So
it's
like
vicious
cycle
in
a
way
like
it's.
It's
it's
intricate.
In
that
sense,.
E
Yeah,
so
so
I
want
to.
I
want
to
challenge
that
notion,
just
because
the
fact
that
you
know
I
I
this
is
where
I
you
know
we
fail
to
think
as
a
commons
we
think
of
ourselves
as
an
organization
and
not
as
a
commons.
I
think
this
is
the
biggest
kind
of
divergent
mindset
that
we've
had
so
far,
like
te
academy
may
be
getting
an
ethereum
foundation
grant
very
soon,
and
I
think
that
would
be
huge
now,
if
you
know,
if
they
do.
E
That's,
that's
wonderful
and
that's
that's
part
of
part
of
the
bigger
picture
of
like
what
our
mission
is,
is
to
advance
token
engineering
and
having
these
vehicles
that
we've
already
created
are
setting
a
good
infrastructure,
but
thinking
of
ourselves
as
like
this
token
economy,
you
know
we
have
to
have
it.
You
know
this
kind
of
rush.
This
demand
for
tec
tokens
immediately
as
as
being
like
the
priority
or
like
the
goal
of
everything.
What
we're
doing,
I
think
is,
is
a
very
false
thing.
E
You
know
I,
I
don't
think
we
need
the
the
tec
token
right
now
immediately
and
I,
but
but
I
do
think
that
the
economic
model
it
works.
I
I
I
I
it's
been
shown
to
work.
We
have
to
create
utility
and
aggregate
though,
and
that's
that's
a
longer
time
time
horizon.
D
Let's
follow
that
logic
and
and
think
like
a
comment,
I
would
like
to
to
see
what
ostrom,
what
what
else
trump
found
out
when
she
went
to
communities
and
when
these
communities
found
out
that
the
the
the
resource
that
they
were
commenting
around
was
becoming
depleted.
What
did
they
do
in
terms
of
what
that
implied
to
the
people
who
were
benefiting
from
that
resource,
maybe
selling
a
product
or
a
service
by
using
that
resource?
What
did
they
do
to
allay
the
the
the
decrease
in
income
from
from
the
people
from
those
people?
D
E
Think
there's
the
big
difference
between
ostrom's
cpr
settings
like
the
common
pool
resources
that
she
studied
and
the
ones
that
we,
the
one
that
we
have
created
here
in
the
token
engineering
commons,
is
the
fact
that
the
provision
of
of
goods
that
were
made
from
those
commons
set
settings
or
environments
were
private
goods,
things
that
could
be
sold
to
the
public
for
money,
and
I
think
that
that
is
a
huge
difference
to
where
we're
creating
a
public
good
where
it
is,
is
commonly
owned
by
everyone,
and
so
there's
not
a
lot
of
return
on
that
public
good
and
that
should
be
expected
in
the
short
term
and-
and
I
I
don't
think
that's
that's
kind
of
you
know-
I
don't
think
that's
antithetical
to
what
what
oshrum
had
observed
and
realized
like
you
know
they
had
fisheries,
they
had
water.
E
These
are
things
that
were
provided,
but
they
were
paid
for
by
the
public.
Now
we
don't
have
that
that
interface,
where
the
public
is
paying
for
token
engineering
services,
because
we're
offering
it
as
an
open
source
public
good
and
that
there's
a
huge
difference
between
those
two
and
so
the
economy
that
works
around.
That
is
going
to
work
a
lot
differently
than
the
ones
that
she
observed,
and
so
that
would
be
my
only
comment
on
that.
Yeah.
G
C
F
Related
to
that,
I
also
wanna
wanted
to
ask
like
to
to
add
to
what
saying,
like.
I
have
this
question
of
what
would
prevent
the
token
engineering
academy
to
create
their
own
token
at
some
point,
if
they
decided
to
and
and
use
that
instead
of
the
tc
token,
is
there
like
a
a
reason
that
just
like
they
can't
deal.
E
With
those
or
something
we
want
to
encourage
them
to
incorporate
the
tec
token,
that
would
be
ideal,
but
as
part
of
like
ocean's
principles,
for
example,
we
do
not
restrict
anybody's
right
to
organize,
and
so,
if
gravity
wants
to
start
their
own
token,
they
can
start
their
own
token
and
that's
fine,
and
maybe
we
can
find
utility
within
those
organizations,
maybe
as
a
governance
token
for
these
organizations
later
on,
but
if
they,
if
they
want
to
use
their
own
token,
they
can.
I
think
it's
really
harsh,
like
it's
not
great
for
the
tec
utility.
E
If
they
do,
I
think
it
would
be
best
if
you
know,
gravity
and
tec
incorporate
rt
academy
incorporated
the
tec
token
in
some
way,
but
it
that
does
doesn't
mean
they
have
to.
I
think
we
have
to
respect
the
rights
of
of
each
of
these
groups
to
to
run
how
they
wish
to
run
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
here
to
cultivate
these
types
of
groups
to
become
successful.
E
E
F
F
We
should
also,
I
guess,
think
about
that
scenario
too.
Right
like
be
prepared
for
the
tc,
how
it's
going
to
look
like
if,
if
these
products
decide
to
go
in
their
own
in
their
own
way,
right
like
what's
going
to
happen
with
the
tc,
so
just
like
what
we
were
discussing
before
about
maybe
like
in
the
past,
should
have
been
thought
about.
How
are
we
going
to
get
ready
for
a
bear
market?
Maybe
it's
kind
of
like
the
same
thing
right?
What
are
we?
C
E
We
want
to
be
able
to
be
able
to
fund
these
these
projects
that
become
these
mega
things
and
become
the
shelling
point
and
create
these
foundations
for
these
projects,
and
if
we
can
do
that,
that's
that's,
then
we
succeeded
and
and
but
I
think,
that's
contrary
to
what
people
have
imagined
when
they
say:
okay,
I'm
working
for
this,
the
token
engineering,
commons
and
our
goal
is
to
make
money
and
that
that
is
not
the
case
here.
You
know
we
want.
E
G
The
problem
I'm
seeing
the
biggest
problem
I'm
seeing,
is
that
essentially
at
least
to
me-
and
maybe
it's
oversimplifying,
but
any
the
only
real
idea
for
revenue
generation
that
we
have.
G
We've
essentially
decided
to
pause
that
and
just
be
completely
behessed
to
whatever
the
ta
wants
to
do
with
their
revenue
generation
mechanism
and
trying
to
just
wait
on
them
with
it,
with
a
with
no
with
no
date
in
sight.
In
order
to
then
begin
to
create
a
mechanism
by
which
we
can
bring
token
engineers
and
the
demand
of
player
token
engineers
together,
and
it
feels
to
me
like
that's,
completely
counterproductive
and
that
we
that
we
do
need
to
respect
the
ta.
G
E
No,
no,
no
yeah!
I
like
I
get
what
you're
saying,
but
this
is
this
comes
back
to
this
concept
of
like
we're
thinking
of
ourselves
as
as
an
organization
when
we
should
be
thinking
of
ourselves
as
a
commons
and-
and
while
I
agree
with
you
that
I
I
would
like
to
see
reciprocation
from
these
organizations-
and
I
do
believe
we
will.
I
just
think
it's
going
to
take
time
because
they
need
to
become
self-sustainable
and
then
we're
going
to
have
to
be
back
in
the
long
term.
G
I
I
I
I
I
commend
you
for
not
for
your
nobility,
but
I
don't
think
we're
being
reciprocated
in
the
same
way
and
we're,
rather
than
being
a
level
commons
we're
becoming
subject
to
a
different
organization.
G
Course,
but
now
we're
waiting
on
them
to
build
a
a
system
to
bring
token
engineers
together,
because
because
they
wanna
they
want
to
implement
that
as
a
result
of
their
course
right
rather
than
us,
leveraging
that
and
we
are
strangling
ourselves
into
the
in
the
hopes
that
if
we
wait
for
them,
then
the
result
for
us
will
be
just
as
positive
in
in
future
when
when,
in
fact,
we
shouldn't
be
doing
that
at
all
yeah.
G
We
should
try
and
begin
to
build
out
the
basics
with
their
help
and
with
their
contribution
wherever
they,
where,
wherever
they
are
able
to.
E
And
and
you're
not
alone
in
thinking
this,
and
so
I
don't
want
you
to
feel
like
you
are
because
this
has
been
the
consensus
for
a
while
or
like
at
least
for
a
month
now,
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
tension
and
between
the
between
the
tea
academy
and
the
tec
at
the
moment.
But
I
don't
think
it's
it's
something
that's
you
know
is
going
to
prevent
us
from
moving
forward.
F
To
to
add
on
to
this,
like,
I
would
throw
like
another
question
in
terms
of
this
relationship
with
with
the
academy
and
in
regards
with
a
token
engineering
request
board
that
that
has
been
put
like
on
hold
like
for,
for,
because
of
this,
like
the
question
would
be
like
what
would
what
would
we?
What
would
prevent,
also
like
for
the
academy
to
after
they
launched
their
their
course?
What
would
they
prevent
for
them
to
launch
their?
The
token
engineering
request
board
themselves
right
without
the
help
of
the
tc.
F
I
guess
that
I
again,
I
I
totally
get
unite
like
it
wouldn't
be
ideal,
and
I
don't
think
that
would
happen
right,
but
at
the
same
time
there
are
no
guarantees
right
like
if
they
are
like
their
own
organization,
for
what
it
sounds.
They
are
thinking
on
their
own
for
their
own,
like
benefit
on
what
is
work
actually
working
for
them
like?
How
do
we
know
what
would
be
the
value
that
the
tc
could
provide
to
them?
Let's
say
for
this
specific
project
that
they
could
not
just
like
achieve
by
themselves.
F
A
Question
that
was
just
the
question
I
wanted
to
bring
up.
I
think
this.
This
brings
up
a
great
question
for
us
that
what
is
the
incentive
and
the
valley
again,
we
provide
to
the
ecosystem
that
what
what's
the?
What's,
the
reason
that
dao's
relates
to
one
another
right?
There
should
be
a
reason
why
they
want
to
relate
why
they
want
to
build
partnerships.
There's
incentives
on
both
sides,
and
this
could
this
doesn't
have
to
be
an
external
doubt.
A
It
can
be
something
an
initiative
that
initially
started
within
tc
and
then
became
independent,
but
I
think
the
like
incentive
and
the
value
both
ways
should
always
be
there,
because
otherwise
we
don't
have
any
kind
of
you
know
any
kind
of
agreement
mechanisms
that
saying
that
okay,
you
started
within
our
organization
and
then
you
have
to
stick
with
us
or,
like
kind
of
like
you
know,
give
back
this
and
that
it's
really
it's
not
in
our
value
system
at
all.
A
But
since
it's
not
in
our
value
system
again,
I
think
it's
yeah
it
again.
I
think,
pushes
ours
to
think
further
and
think
in
the
future
and
really
realize.
Okay.
Now
we
want
to
be
the
shelling
point
and
we
want
to
provide
a
lot
of
this
supports
and
new
emerging
dowels
and
other
projects,
and
how
do
we
make
sure
that
our
tc
as
a
partner
to
them
will
always
be
valuable
like?
How
do
we
make
sure
that
they
don't
just
leave
us
and
go
away
and
again,
like
I
don't.
A
I
don't
say
this
in
the
way
that
okay,
we
don't
want
them
to
go
away.
We
don't
want
them
to
become
independent.
No,
this
is
that's
not
what
I
mean,
but
it
just
again
brings
another
another,
deeper
question
of
utility
and
value
and
like
our
own
presence
and
identity
in
the
ecosystem.
A
That
will
want
other
dows
to
relate
to
us.
That
makes
sense
so
yeah
definitely.
E
So
I
have
to
get
off,
but
I
just
wanted
to
add
and
thank
you
for
that
comment.
If
you
guys
want
to
keep
talking
about
this,
please
do
I
would
love
to
keep
this
conversation.
Maybe
we
make
this
part
of
the
stewards
council
and
possibly
get
some
people
from
the
t
academy
in
here,
and
so
what
what
I
just
want
to
add
at
the
end
of
this
is
that
you
know
we're
a
non-profit
we're
the
equivalent
to
a
non-profit
organization,
and
the
way
we
succeed
and
economically
is
is
the
give
back
aspect
of
it.
E
E
We
will
see
that
return,
you
know,
but
if
it
does
take
a
long
time
it
is
it's
based
off
of
the
impact
that
we
have
the
organizations
that
we
fund
and
help
facilitate
in
the
space,
and
I
think,
having
that
type
of
mindset
is
really
important,
because
I
don't
think,
there's
another
organization
that
that
is
like
us.
E
I
think
we,
we
are
one
of
a
kind
in
in
that
realm,
and
so
I
just
think
it
takes
a
different
attitude
towards
the
typical
web
3
dow
organization
that
we
typically
see
who
are
you
know,
largely
sustained
off
of
speculation
and
then,
to
be
honest
with
you,
those
models
will
not
last,
and
so
I
I
just
want
to
add
that
point,
but
I
would
love
for
you
guys
to
keep
the
conversation
going,
and
maybe
we
can
we'll
definitely
make
this
part
of
the
stewards
council
meeting
and
I'll
I'll
get
angela
and
some
of
the
tea
folks
in
here,
and
we
can
have
a
conversation
about
it,
because
I
do
think
it's
really
really
important.
E
So
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
guys
and
I
have
to
get
into
another
meeting
that
I'm
late
for,
but
I
appreciate
everybody.
Thank
you.
Nate.