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A
Hey
so
mer,
do
you
want
to
go
first.
A
The
the
question,
the
we're
just
doing
a
quick
check-in,
which
is
when
was
the
first
time
like,
probably
when
you
were
a
kid
or
teenager,
that
you
earned
money.
What
was
that.
A
So
annika
you're,
can
you
can
you
yeah
go
ahead.
B
Oh
I'm
a
bit
lost,
I
just
okay,
I'm
a
bit
lost
because
I
just
pop
out
and
call
from
you
know.
I
just
love
join
this
tec
just
like
five
minutes
ago,
and
then
this
is
going
on.
So
I
just
hop
in
to
see
what's
going
on
and
I'm
trying
to
figure
it
out
in
general,
like
how
is
this
you
know
related
to
wg,
but
I
see
in
the
title,
so
I
think
it's
probably
like
meeting
related
to
like
ethics,
stuff
related
to
the
engineering
yeah.
A
How
about
after
this
call,
you
and
I
can
follow
up
and
yeah.
B
Yeah
so
go
ahead
with
everyone
else.
I'm
trying
to
be
upset.
A
Yeah
no
problem,
I
mean
you're
completely
welcome
we'd
love
to
have
you
stay,
so
this
is
a
a
focus
group
that
is
focused
on
kind
of
our
like
our
economic
model,
our
financial
system,
sustainability,
and
how
we
earn
money
so
well.
B
A
Go
up
in
the
go
up,
you'll,
see
under
working
group
text,
you'll
see
sampo
and
it's
there.
Okay,
so
do
you
want
to
just
share
quickly
like
how
you
made
money
the
first
time
in
your
life,
or
you
can
also
feel
free
to
pass
to
somebody
else.
B
First
time
in
my
life,
I'm
doing
like
right
now,
I'm
doing
phd
so
the
first
first
time
make
money.
Is
research,
research
assistance?
So
that's.
What's
like
the
first
time
we
make
money
and
that's
pretty
much
it,
and
you
know
I
just
go
with
the
education
group.
You
know
just
keep
climbing
the
the
ladders,
so
I
haven't
like
no
little
experience
about
it.
B
The
real
world
quote
unquote
of
how
people
are
actually
growing
money,
but
right
now,
for
example,
I'm
trying
to
approach
it
more
systematically,
so
I'm
reading
through,
like
portfolio
investments,
type
of
management
like
how
do
you
do
it
systematically
so
yeah?
That's
how
it'll
be
that's
the
way
I
will
be
approaching
this
in
the
future,
which
is
you
know
through,
like
data
analytics
point
of
view
and
then
yeah
yeah,
because
that's
my
background,
so
I
mean
I'm
trying
to
do
something.
That's
close
to
my
expertise.
B
Let's
pass
it
to
there's
our
name
here:
crypto
is
zach,
hey
take
it
over.
D
Yeah,
hey
everyone.
I've
actually
got
a
pretty
interesting
one,
so
I
was
in
first
grade
on
the
school
bus
I
played
in
pokemon
cards
and
I
that's
one
of
my
friends
in
the
school
bus
really
liked
this
one
common
card
and
it
looked
like
a
yak
and
he
said
he
loved
it
so
much
that
he
would
pay
me
a
dollar
for
each
card
that
he
found.
B
E
Thanks
first
time
I
made
money.
I
think
it
was
like
in
theater,
like
selling
tickets,
for
my
play
or
getting
some
type
of
acting
gig
when
I
was
like
from,
I
don't
know:
11
12
13,
something
like
that
and
I'll
pass
to
tonga.
B
Thank
you.
I
yeah.
I
was
lucky
also
to
make
money.
I
don't
know
if
you
like
it,
but
to
make
money
from
12
to
15
playing
chess.
I
had
a
a
few
tournaments
that
I
did
really
well,
so
I
made
some
money
and
then
everyone
from
jess
was
turning
to
play
poker.
It
was
illegal
for
me,
but
I
had
a
few
fake
accounts,
her
friends
that
were
that
were
all
there
and
yeah,
and
that
was
I
will
pass
it
to
andy.
F
Thanks
manga,
so
I'm
pretty
sure
the
first
time
I
earned
money
was
at
my
father's
restaurant.
When
I
was
like
13
years
old
or
something
and
I
sort
of
held
a
waitress
there,
yeah,
that's
pretty
much
it.
What
about
you
again.
G
Thank
you
yeah,
so
my
dad
was
a
computer
engineer
in
the
80s
late,
70s
and
80s,
so
we
had
a
bunch
of
computers
around
my
house
when
I
was
a
kid.
So
when
I
was
like
five
or
six,
maybe
I
made
a
deal
with
my
dad
to
format.
Floppy
disks
five
and
a
quarter
inch
and
three
point:
five
inch
floppy
disks
for
a
nice
piece
and
yeah.
I
would
go
around
and
start
one
and
then
go
to
the
second
starting
next
one
we
had
about
10
or
15
machines.
G
H
D
E
A
Mics
we'll
come
back
to
you
in
a
sec:
okay,
rex
irina,
where
the
the
the
prompt
for
the
opening
today
is.
When
was
the
first
time
in
your
life.
When
you
made
money.
A
And
do
you
want
to
go
well?
Rex
is
fixing
things.
G
Yes,
I
I
I
was
kind
of
my
my
brother-in-law
had
this
factory
of
swimming
suits
and
my
father
wouldn't
let
me
work,
it
was
like
it.
It
was
really
oppressive
for
women
in
my
upbringing,
so
I
wasn't
allowed
to
work
and
I
did
it
in
hiding.
So
it
was
like
a
kind
of
a
secretary
for
this
factory
of
him,
but
it
was
weird
but
then
yeah.
G
That
was,
I
don't
remember
if
that
was
the
first
time
or
when
in
the
80s
there
was
this
stock
market
crash
big
crash.
I
I
put
my
money
on
the
stock
market.
I
was
like,
I
don't
know
17
or
something,
and
I
my
my
father
used
to
give
me
allowance
a
big
allowance.
G
So
I
I
don't
complain
about
his
rules,
so
I
put
that
money
and
for
that
time
I
had
like
a
million
pesos
in
mexican
pesos
and
it
was
huge,
but
I
lost
it
all
in
the
market
and
when
it
crashed.
But
I
don't
remember
one
of
those
was
the
first
time
I
made
money.
H
Sure,
yes,
so
I
think
I
I
fixed
my
mic,
so
I
was
saying
some
of
the
omega
people
might
hate
me
for
this,
but
when
I
was
11
I
did
payday
loans
kind
of
for
other
students,
so
I
I
would
forgo
having
lunch
myself
and
pay
for
other
people's
lunch
in
exchange
that
they
paid
me
like
double,
or
something
like
that.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Okay,
we're
gonna,
have
a
special
assignment
for
you
in
this
working
group,
tbd,
so
I'll
I'll
come
back
to
mine
later.
If
we
have
time
in
the
end,
but
I
promise
you
it's
very
entertaining
okay.
So
what
we're
going
to
do
now
is
we're
going
to
go.
A
I'll
say
it
when
I
was
a
little
kid,
I
was
probably
like
six
or
something
like
that
and
it.
It
was
mother's
day
here
in
the
u.s
and
a
friend,
and
I
were
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
could
make
money
to
buy
presents
for
our
moms.
A
And
so
I
figured
out
that
if
we
went
and
got
rocks
and
we
took
some
hammers
and
smashed
it
up
into
rock
powder
and
put
it
into
these
little
paper
cups,
then
we
could
go
door
door
and
sell
that
rock
powder
for
a
lot
of
money
and
the
sweet
thing
is
that
all
our
neighbors
bought
it
because
we
told
them
the
story.
So
that
was
the
first
time.
A
I
made
money,
not
a
lot,
but
we
made
some
okay,
so
probably
good
that
you
didn't
wait
a
long
time
to
hear
that
story
and
have
it
build
up
as
something
really
special.
A
Okay,
so
let's
dive
into
the
agenda
for
today,
what
I
wanted
to
do
is
just
a
quick
check
in
on
this
on
clarity.
This
is
a
new
tool
and
we're
there
there's
this
group
and
I
think
soft
gov
may
be
experimenting
with
it
and
then
the
writer's
guild
is
using
it
too.
So
we're
all
still
kind
of
trying
to
figure
this
out.
There's
a
few
rough
edges,
there's
probably
going
to
be
a
few
rough
edges.
A
A
So
what
I
would
ask
you
to
do
is
when
you,
when
you're
working
on
somebody
else's
document,
just
add
comments
on
it
and
then
we'll
just
we'll
come
up
with
a
process
for
then
embedding
you
know
we'll
we'll
work
together
to
like
take
those
comments
and
then
actually
embed
them
in
the
owner
of
the
document.
Whoever
that
is,
can
then
integrate
it.
A
Does
that
make
sense
we'll
work
through
this
over
time,
but
there
are
so
many
other
benefits
to
this
tool
that
I
think
it's
worth
kind
of
dealing
with
some
of
the
some
of
these
issues
and
enti,
and
I
are
doing
some
work
with
the
folks
at
clarity-
we're
getting
trained
starting
in
two
weeks,
so
we're
going
to
get
a
lot
of
like
in-depth
knowledge
on
how
to
use
this
tool
and
and
nt.
A
Of
course,
and
then
the
other
thing
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
is,
if
you
go
into,
if
you're
in
the
the
sampo,
what's
called
a
base
right
in
clarity,
they
call
it
a
base,
which
is
what
we've
set
up
for
this
working
group,
you'll
see
on
the
on
the
left
hand
side
here,
there
are
some
documents
that
I'm
already
I've
already
started
up,
and
I
just
want
to
point
to
this
first
one
here,
which
is,
I
mean,
not
the
first
in
the
list,
but
this
is
the
first
one
I
did,
which
is
the
results
of
last
week's
session.
A
So
what
I'm
hoping
to
do
is
get
into
a
way
of
taking
input
from
people
as
as
we're
having
these.
These
calls,
but
also
other
types
of
things
and
then
develop
like
a
a
deliberate
curation
process.
And
what
do
I
mean
by
deliberate?
I
mean
that
at
any
time
anybody
can
go
back
and
look
at
the
raw
materials
like
the
stuff
that
you
put
into
it
so
like
last
week.
A
We
did
that
fig
jam
exercise,
that's
still
there.
I
did
my
best
to
distill
that
down,
and
so
then
I
I
broke
that
out
in
that
fig
jam
document
into
like
a
separate
section,
kept
the
original
results
there
and
so
there's
like
a
an
audit
trail,
and
then
I
brought
all
of
that
into
this
document
here,
and
so
you
can
see
at
each
step
of
the
way
whether
or
not
your
ideas
were
actually
embedded
and
how
they
were
embedded
in.
Okay.
A
The
benefit
of
clarity
is
that
when
you
bring
things
in,
it's
very
easy
to
turn
them
into
tasks.
So
I'm
not
going
to
turn
this
into
a
task
right
now,
but
well,
actually
we
could
so
the
working
group
manifesto
you
just
go
like
this
and
turn
it
into
a
task,
and
now
it's
a
task
and
we
could
assign
it.
You
know
I
can
assign
it
to
myself.
A
We
could
put
you
know
to
do
someday
whatever
you
can
do
due
dates
we'll
get
into
this
more
later,
but
one
of
the
nice
things
about
that
is
you
can
assign
tasks.
You
can
manage
tasks,
you
can
even
do
rewards
bounties
and
things
like
that
in
clarity.
That
are
token
based.
Bounties,
so
we'll
just
leave
that
there
for
right
now-
and
let
me
just
ask
if
there
are
any
questions
or
comments
at
this
point
about
about
all
that.
Yeah.
D
A
Yeah,
that's
probably
because
you
probably
just
accepted
it.
So
let
me
just
do
a
quick.
F
You
go
to
the
to
the
wiki
section,
all
those
pages
that
you're
going
to
show
in
our
are
actually
in
the
wiki.
A
Okay,
so
what
I'll
do
is
we're
just
gonna
go
ahead.
I'm
gonna
we'll
talk
about
this
next
week,
rather
than
me
spending
a
bunch
of
time
right
now
doing
this
for
everybody
we
will.
But
this
way
everybody
should
be
able
to
see
everything
at
this
point.
If
you
just
refresh,
you
should
be
able
to
see
everything.
A
Too
stuck
on
this,
but
once
you
hit
refresh
or
leave
this
base
and
come
back,
there
will
be
stuff
that
will
start
to
show
up
over
in
favorites.
There
is
some
a
little
funky
thing
that's
going
on.
I
think
some
people
are
having
some
issues
with
that.
B
So
he's
a
use
of
clarity
is
like
a
like
finalize
already
like
you're,
going
to
use
this
as
like
the
main
tools
for
share
knowledge.
A
It's
kind
of
like
a
notion
meets
wiki
meets
d-work,
which
is
like
a
way
of
doing
token-based
bounties
and
things
like
that.
B
A
I
am
not
so
I'd
be
happy
to,
but
what
we
can
do
is
what
how
are
you,
spelling
that.
A
How
about
this,
rather
than
take
up
a
bunch
of
time
you
just
follow
up
with
me
after
the
call
and
we'll
we'll
we'll
look
at
that.
That
makes
sense.
A
Okay,
okay,
so
the
first
thing
that
I
thought
would
be
just
good
to
look
at
is:
can
people
see
if
you
can,
if
you're
not
in
the
document
and
you
just
wanna,
you
don't
wanna
mess
with
that?
Just
look
at
the
stream
that
I'm
sharing
on
discord
you'll
be
able
to
see
it.
Okay
so-
and
you
want
me
to
I-
can
expand
this.
I
can
make
this
larger.
That's
helpful.
Can
you
can
you
does
everybody?
Can
everybody
read
this
okay.
A
Okay,
so
this
is
more
just
a
placeholder,
but
olivia
was
helping
me
to
set
up
well,
actually
not
helping
me.
A
She
did
set
up
the
channels
in
discord
and
there's
like
a
place
where
you
describe
what
the
working
group's
purpose
is,
what
it
is,
and
so
this
is
like
a
placeholder
for
right
now,
but
I
just
wanted
to
share
it
with
you
all
and
you
know
maybe
just
look
at
it
and
if
you
have
thoughts,
then
in
the
in
the
channel
after
this
call
in
the
text
channel,
maybe
you
can
just
put
your
thoughts
in
there,
but
I'll
just
read
it
out
loud
for
now.
A
A
So
again,
this
is
a
placeholder
for
right
now
be
great
to
get
people's
thoughts
in
the
text
channel
afterwards,
because
what
I'd
like
to
dive
into
is
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
last
week,
kind
of
like
in
administrative
in
administrative
mode
and
there's
some
there's
some
urgency
to
kind
of
getting
us
moving
forward.
A
Okay,
so.
A
This
truly
is
a
document
that
is
in
progress
for
sure
I
wanted
to
kind
of
jump
forward
and
get
something
down
as
more
a
stimulus
for
some
conversation,
that's
what
I'm
hoping
for
most
of
today.
So
let
me
just
give
kind
of
a
high
level
high
level
overview
of
some
initial
thoughts
on
this.
A
It's
a
very
complex
problem.
Actually,
there
are
so
many
moving
parts
that
relate
to
fundraising
like
financial
management.
You
know
accounting
all
of
those
kinds
of
things,
and
it
would
be
very
easy,
I
think,
for
us
as
a
group
to
get
lost
without
some
type
of
kind
of,
like
meta
frame,
to
help
us
organize
our
work.
So
one
thing
that
I'm
proposing
is
that
we
actually
think
of
this
like
an
economic
development
process
and
I'm
a
big
fan
of
maslow's
hierarchy
of
needs.
A
It's
so
in
this
case,
if
you
think
about
it,
like
there's
kind
of
a
first
phase
of
any
economy,
is
where
it's
like
just
getting
up
and
running
and
there's
no
guarantee
that
that
economy
will
actually
survive
right.
So
that
is
really
about,
like
kind
of
the
base
level
of
maslow's
hierarchy,
which
is
really
about
security
and
survival,
and
so
there's
this
kind
of
base
level
here,
which
is
economic
security.
How
do
we
make
sure
that
this
organization,
the
tc,
continues
to
operate?
A
You
know
in
a
healthy
way,
doesn't
run
out
of
money.
You
know
and
sets
itself
up
for
future
success.
The
second
tier
here
is
in
like
mazel's
hierarchy.
It
would
be
like
connections
with
others
and
then
esteem,
but
here
it's
really
it's
like.
How
do
you
start
to
build
some
momentum?
You
know
how
do
you,
how
do
you
get
this
economy
going
so
that
it
kind
of
like
sustains
itself
almost
like
a
flywheel?
A
You
know
like
if
you're
a
potter
on
a
potter's
wheel
and
there's
like
a
flywheel
and
you
kind
of
like
have
to
like
keep
pushing
pushing
pushing,
but
at
a
certain
point
it.
G
B
A
Okay,
so
this
next
stage
is
really
like:
how
do
we
get
the
economy
spinning
up
so
that
it's
like
it's
got
its
own
momentum
right?
You
see
that
in
companies
like
once,
companies
get
get
going
they're
like
kind
of
hard
to
stop
at
a
certain
point,
and
then
the
last
stage
here
is
like,
where
we're
generating
so
much
wealth
that
we
can
actually
start
spinning
it
out
much
more
freely
by
investing
in
all
kinds
of
mission
related
things,
and
this
isn't
to
say
that
we
don't
focus
this.
G
G
I
took
a
peek
at
the
document
that
was
listing
kind
of
conceptual
mechanisms
for
deriving
some
revenue
streams
and
it's
giant.
There
are
so
many
plausible
methodologies
here
that
we
can
explore,
but
I
guess
it
would.
G
A
That's
actually
a
great
point,
like
figuring
out
how?
How
do
we
evaluate
these
things,
and
that's
what
I'm
suggesting
in
this
with
this
model?
Is
that
actually
we're
that
those
criteria
may
shift
over
time?
A
Initially,
it
may
be
about
like
how
do
we
stabilize
and
make
sure
that
our
outflows
aren't
like
greatly
exceeding
our
inflows,
but
then
over
you
know,
then
the
next
phase
might
be
more
about
capacity
right
so
like
how
do
we
make
sure
that
we're
building
the
systems
and
the
services
things
like
that
that
attract
users
that
can
then
you
know
like
make
sure
that
we
get
flow
of
income
and
like
a
demand
for
the
and
then
after
that,
then
the
the
criteria
be
comes
from
the
mission.
A
G
I
I
have
a
question.
I
read
that
considering
for
the
income,
mostly
fundraising,
but
are
other
ideas
about
how
to
have
a
revenue
other
than
fundraising.
A
Yeah
we'll
get
to
that
in
one
second,
but
yes
for
sure,
and
this
is
something
that
I'll
just
answer
it
very
briefly,
I
what
I
would
say
is
well
actually
can
I
just
come
back
to
that
in
a
little
bit
when
we
get
to
the
next
section,
because
I.
A
So
this
is
just
kind
of
like
a
explanation
of
of
what
these
different
phases
might
be:
economic
security,
economic
momentum,
economic
mission.
If
somebody
can
come
up
with
a
better
way
of
describing
this,
it
would
be
great
it's
kind
of
like
you
know,
once
you
have
abundance,
you
know
you
start
to
like
you
share
it
very
freely.
A
So
what
this
is
talking
about
is
kind
of
like
breaking
our
work
into
different
phases,
and
so
I
haven't
even
looked
at
like
what
phase
two
would
be
like,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
focus
on
phase
one,
and
I
think
that
there
are
lots
of
different
ways
of
looking
at
this.
So
this
really
is,
you
know
like
I'm,
I'm.
This
is
a
stake
in
the
ground.
A
This
is
just
like
a
first
cut
at
the
to
get
all
of
your
thoughts
on
this,
but
I'll
explain
just
briefly
what
what
the
the
frame
is
that
I'm
using
here.
So
the
first
is
that
if
you
look
at
our
our
spending
right
now
as
a
as
a
commons
as
an
organization,
it's
you
know
it.
A
It
was
going
very
quickly
in
the
first
few
months,
it's
slowing
down
a
little
bit,
but
we're
just
not
getting
any
income,
and
so
in
this
period,
where
we're
not
getting
any
income
at
all,
really,
how
do
we
slow
down
the
spending
until
we
can
start
to
spin
up
some
income,
and
so
that's
the
first
question:
that's
in
this
kind
of
purple
bar
here.
A
The
next
is:
how
do
we
raise
new
funds
so
to
answer
why
this
is
the
second
step-
and
I
mean
this
kind
of
gets
to
your
question-
why?
Why
aren't
we
trying
to
develop
revenues
or
income
streams?
A
First
and
my
assumption-
and
this
this
should
be
tested-
is
that
it's
going
to
take
us
a
little
while
to
actually
build
the
services
where,
where
we
could
actually
generate
some
income,
that
is
large
enough
to
be
able
to
to
really
help
us
right
and
so,
in
the
short
term,
we're
probably
better
off
going
out
and
figuring
out
what
the
next
round
of
fundraising
would
actually
look
like
you
know,
is
it
are
we
trying
to
go
get
grants?
A
Are
we
trying
to
attract
investors?
What
does
that
look
like
this?
Is
this
doesn't
specify
any
of
that
right
now,
like
that's,
that's
a
question,
that's
to
be
to
be
answered,
but
what
it's
saying
is:
that's
probably
a
faster
path
to
making
sure
that
we're
stable
than
actually
building
the
revenues
and
building
building
services
that
then
generate
revenues
even.
A
Those,
but
if
you
look
at
some
of
the
working
groups
that
are
like
furthest
down
the
line,
their
potential
to
earn
big
dog
big
money
is
still
very
unproven
and
probably
a
ways
off.
So
I'll.
Stop
there
for
a
moment
and
just
get
people's
takes
on
this
basic
assumption.
Before
going
into
the
question
of
how
we
would
slow
the
spending.
G
Yeah,
if
we
don't
focus
on
installing
spending,
initially,
it's
not
really
going
to
matter
how
much
more
revenue
we
can
derive
it's
going
to
be
burned
as
fast
as
we
as
we
can
make
it
likely,
and
it's
not
it's
probably
being
used
for
very
necessary
things
at
the
moment,
but
just
going
to
the
painful
process
of
identifying
what
might
be
duplicitous
would
probably
be
very
worthwhile.
E
Thanks
yeah,
I
think
just
the
differentiation
between
revenue
streams
as
services
and
just
things
we
could
create
for
income
is
slightly
different
than
tc
utility
token,
and
I
feel
like
with
the
utility
token
there
could
be
initiatives
that
are
more
assured
short-term
impact.
D
Yeah,
I
agree
that
the
token
can
be
used
to
incentivize
behavior
in
the
short
or
immediate
term
and
incentivize
people
to
be
productive
and
contribute
to
the
the
commons
or
contribute
to
working
groups,
but
it
people
also.
People
here
also
need
to
pay
their
bills
and
the
money
needs
to
come
from
somewhere
and
we
can't
just
keep
on
withdrawing
from
the
liquidity
pool
by
by
selling
to
it,
like.
D
I
think
that,
probably
one
of
the
first
steps
that
we
should
or
the
first
decisions
that
we
should
we
should
make,
is
whether
we're
going
to
actually
raise
funding
from
some
external
party,
which,
which
is
not
a
bad
thing.
It's
how
the
traditional
world
has
has
done
it
like
for
so
long.
It
is
you
get
money
from
investors
to
build
a
product
to
eventually
make
revenue
and,
and
it
so
there's
many
different
parts
of
this.
D
There's
the
revenue
model
that
that
we
can
design
and
work
towards
achieving
and
then
there's
the
fundraise
aspect
to
to
provide
us
with
the
funding
to
build
that
revenue
model.
And
then
we
can
use
economics
to
incentivize
productivity
and
participation
from
all
the
members
of
the
commons.
F
Before
saying
that,
we
are
going
to
cut
expenses
or
look
for
revenue
streams
we
should,
in
my
opinion,
the
conversation
should
be
about
making
two
basic
two
visitations
of
analysis.
I
guess
one
for
spending
and
then
40
proposals
and,
depending
on
the
outcome,
it
may
be
worthwhile
working
first
on
the
on
the
revenue
streams
over
curing
expenses,
because
I
guess.
F
I
don't
know
I'm
thinking
about
a
lot
of
other
things.
It's
also.
I
don't
think
these.
The
current
expenses
would
be
a
lot
of
work
because
we
can
sort
of
delegate
that
to
each
working
group
after
an
initial
analysis,
but
that's
kind
of
also
my
same
as
the
same
assumption
with
the
rim
of
the
streams
we
could
definitely.
After
a
first
analysis,
we
could
delegate
some
of
the
so
the
results
of
the
analysis
to
each
working
group
to
sort
of
iterate
over
over
that.
F
So
I
guess
just
just
that.
I
would
like
to
see
the
conversation
going
on
analyzing.
How
can
we
cut
expenses
and
then
what
which
is
the
probably
the
the
best
way
to
to
kick
start
early
stream
before
getting
to
priorities.
C
H
I
think
that
there
needs
to
be
some
consideration
as
to
like
how
desperate
are
we
like
I'm
very
new
to
this.
I
don't
know
if
it's
like
is
our.
Is
our
current
inflow
outflow
gonna
last
for
a
year?
Is
it
gonna
last
for
six
months
or
like
what
it'd
be
good
to
get
some
numbers
as
to
the
like,
the
extent
to
which,
like
you'd,
either
need
to
read
whether
you
need
to
reduce
spending
by
like
10
or
15
percent
or
50.
H
it?
I
I
put
some
more
concrete.
It
gives
you
more
concrete
facts
upon
which
you
can
like
decide
whether
right
do
we
need
to
raise
funds
straight
away,
or
can
we
put
it
off
and
have
a
more
kind
of
sustainable
spending
model
before
we
do
that.
C
I
want
to
say
something
actually,
so
I
am
about
raising
funding.
I'm
very
my
thoughts
are
really
in
line
with
libya's
thought
that
I
think
we
should
consider
the
token
utility
and
the
service
providing
hand-in-hand,
because
since
this
is
a
bonding
curve
economy
and
we
will
have
cell
pressure
after
the
token
freeze
is
open,
I
think
creating
intrinsic
value
through
the
services
will
be
will
be,
create
an
incentive
to
not
sell
the
tc
tokens
and
create
a
buying
pressure.
C
You
know,
so
I
think
it's
important
to
bring
these
into
conversation,
but
other
than
that.
I
think
this
structure
looks
very
like
aligned.
What
I
thought
like
that's,
that's
like:
let's
make
some
austerity
within
tc,
so
that
we
can
create
a
structure
that
will
lift
this
austerity
with
more
financial
health.
So
I
think
that's
very
good,
so
that's
my
contribution
actually
might
love.
Sorry.
F
A
quick
note
on
what
rex
said:
I
left
a
comment
anyways,
but
so,
based
on
the
update,
we
spent
about
200
to
284k
this
trimester
and
we
have
about
734k
on
the
in
the
common
pool,
and
I
guess,
based
on
his
question,
about
how
desperate
we
are,
which
I
think
it's
a
really
valid
and
good
question.
F
I
guess
we
could
assume
that
we
are
quite
desperate,
because
that's
if
we
continue
to
spend
that
a
month,
that's
probably
two
or
three
trimesters
more
and
given
that
a
lot
of
those
funds
haven't
left
the
multi-sigs
of
our
working
groups.
Yes,
yet
we
could.
We
should,
in
my
opinion,
start
the
the
start,
cutting
expenses
as
soon
as
possible
to
avoid
burning
more
cash.
F
E
And
also
maybe
this
is
a
clarifying
point
for
everyone,
but
with
conviction
voting
we
can't
go
to
zero.
So
what
happens
is
that
it's
just
gonna
get
harder
and
harder
to
pass
proposals,
and
we
also
have
an
abstain
feature
that
you
can
vote.
You
can
put
your
conviction
on
abstain,
which
creates
a
higher
conviction
needed
for
other
proposals
to
pass
and
slows
everything
down
so
right
now
we
have
three
proposals
on
gardens
and
they're.
All
kind
of
they've
been
there
for
a
while.
E
E
E
With
a
sense
of
urgency,
I
would
say,
but
that
has
been
taken
care
of.
H
H
There's
around
a
year,
I
want
to
say
in
france-
and
you
have,
we
haven't
considered
the
effect
that
all
of
these
working
groups
is
going
to
have
to
that
so
yeah.
I
think
the
propos
the
with
this
information,
the
proposal
to
kind
of
cut
some
funds
and
look
at
other
revenue
streams
and
just
make
a
lot
of
sense.
B
A
So
I
think
we've
got
there's
some
consensus,
that's
forming
here,
I
I
would
say
so.
Let
me
just
go
back
to
that
document.
A
I
think
one
of
the
wild
cards
in
this
is
that,
starting
in
july
the
tc
token
is
going
to
start
to
unfreeze,
which
means
that,
starting
in
july
of
this
year
and
then
by
the
end
of
july
of
next
year,
all
of
the
tdc
token
holders
who
bought
at
the
the
hatch
which
is
like
when
we
started,
will
be
able
to
sell
their
tokens,
and
so
that
is
kind
of
an
unknown
factor.
A
We
don't
know
what
percentage
of
people
are
going
to
hold
on
to
it
and
what
peop,
what
percentage
are
going
to
sell?
So
there's
some
uncertainty
in
this
too,
but
I
think
one
of
the
things
that's
coming
out
of
this
is
hey.
First,
let's
get
a
handle
on
exactly
what
the
situation
is
right
like.
How
serious
is
this
and
that's
just
gonna,
take
some
a
little
bit
of
analysis.
A
What
would
be
great
is
if
any
of
you
are
particularly
interested
in
doing
that
analysis
like
looking
at
the
numbers,
if
you
can
just
volunteer
in
the
text
channel.
Just
like
put
a
little
note
that
says,
like
hey,
I'd,
be
interested
in
trying
to
tackle
this
analysis
problem
and.
A
Then
I
think
the
other
thing
that
I'm
hearing
is
that
yeah
it
may
take
a
while
to
generate
some
revenues
using
like
the
working
groups
and
things
like
that.
A
But
what
I
heard
pretty
clearly
from
livia
and
from
mert-
and
I
think
I
kind
of
heard
this
echoed
in
others-
is
that
utility,
like
thinking
of
utility
and
like
raising
demand
for
the
token
may
not
take
that
long
like
there
may
be
some
options
on
that
front,
so
that
might
be
kind
of
like
a
good
starting
area
on
the
revenue
and
then
the
last
is
that
yes,
there's
an
opportunity
to
raise
funds,
but
you
know
mean
we
haven't
really
talked
that
much
about
this,
and
I
guess
what
I
would
hope
is
maybe
next
week
turn
to
that
question,
which
will
be
good
because
we'll
have
griff
here
in
the
next
call-
and
I
think
he's
got
some
thoughts
on
that
on
fundraising
too.
A
Our
options
with
trying
to
slow
down
spending
and
kind
of
even
just
framing
the
way
we
analyze
it.
You
know
our
options
are
like
right
now,
we're
not
doing
anything,
and
it
is
kind
of
naturally
slowing
down.
Spending
is
naturally
slowing
down
so
and
the
uncertainty
here
is
like
I
said
we
don't
know
about
what
happens
when
people
start
selling
the
tec
tokens,
but
that
will
that
won't
happen
dramatically.
That's
not
going
to
happen
all
of
a
sudden
we're
going
to
have
a
little
bit
of
time
to
adjust
there.
A
The
other
is
this
question
of
abstain.
That
is
one
option.
People
can
put
their
their
voting
tokens
their
conviction,
voting
tokens
into
abstain,
which
essentially
takes
it
away
from
the
ability
to
actually
fund
proposals,
and
it
just
slows
down
the
overall
process
by
making
it
harder
to
get
projects.
A
Was
somebody
trying
to
talk?
No,
no
one
thing
that
I,
I
guess
I'm
gonna
suggest
here
is
that
there's
kind
of
like
another
path
here,
which
is
like
a
capacity
building
strategy
which,
as
we're
thinking
about
our
expenses,
maybe
breaking
them
up
into
three
buckets.
The
first
is
just
like
our
operating
expenses.
What
do
we
need
to
like
keep
these
working
groups
going
and
how
might
we
trim
some
of
those
expenses?
What
would
that
look
like
you
know
it's
working
with
the
working
groups
to
actually
help
on
that
front
end.
A
That's
kind
of,
I
think,
that's
part
of
what
you
were
saying
and
then
two
is
what
we
might
consider
capacity
building
investment.
So
these
are.
A
These
are
investments
that
we
deliberately
carve
out
to
that
are
going
to
help
us
to
actually
either
do
fundraising
or
to
build
utility
for
the
utility
token
or
actually
start
generating
revenue.
So
it's
like
we
can.
We
can
proactively
steer
our
spending
a
little
bit
better
and
then
three
is:
how
much
do
we
reserve
for
external
projects?
A
That
might
send
a
negative.
I
mean
one
that
impacts
our
our
mission
and
two.
It
might
send
kind
of
a
negative
message
out
into
the
world
like
what
are
those
guys
doing
anyway
not
seem
to
be
funding
anything
other
than
themselves,
so
I'll
just
stop.
We've
got
about
eight
more
minutes,
so
let
me
just
stop
right
there
and
just
throw
that
out
that
this
this
idea
of,
like
as
we
analyze
our
spending
and
think
about
budgeting,
does
this
kind
of
three
do
these
three
buckets
make
sense
to
people.
A
A
A
work
in
progress
so
feel
free
to
make
comments
here
on
this
and
we'll
then
incorporate
them
so
that.
G
G
So
that
that
third
bucket,
the
external
projects,
is
that,
with
an
expectation
of
a
return
or
is
that
more
of
a
friendly
investments
for
mission
aligned,
people.
A
That
is
a
very
big
question.
I
I
don't
have
I
seriously
don't
have
an
answer
for
that.
Like
you
know,
when
we
have
invested
in,
say
the
token
engineering
academy,
I
think
that
the
assumption
is
that
that's
really
just
that's
a
grant
and
that
there's
no
there's
not
really
strings
attached
to
that,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
we
have
a
hundred
percent
clarity
on
that
as
a
community.
I
don't
know
olivia.
Do
you
have
a
perspective
on
that.
G
I
was
just
wondering
if,
in
that
third
bucket,
whether
that
the
investments
in
external
projects
were
being
framed
as
something
that
we
would
expect
a
return
on
or
whether
that's
like
giving
us
as
more
of
a
potential
grant
where
we
would
be.
You
know,
kind
of,
like
a
micro
commons,
almost
or
funding
another
crew.
G
Way
that
it
would
be
an
indirect
investment,
if
say,
for
example,
the
te
academy
is
growing
token
engineers
who
want
to
then
build
token
projects
that
will
benefit
or
utilize
the
tc's
other.
You
know
revenue
bearing
services.
Well,
you
can
kind
of
generate
people
who
generate
efforts
who
then
utilize
our
services
for
those
efforts,
I
can
see
where
there's
an
indirect
route
to
a
return,
even
if
it's
not
explicit.
E
Yeah
one
of
the
points
of
the
for
submitting
a
proposal
is
how
will
this
benefit
the
token
engineering
commons
and
for
the
tea
field.
E
So
I
think
it's
more
on
the
side
of
a
grant
that
has
an
implicit
impact.
That
is
a
token
engineering
public
good
and
then,
if
people
were
voting
for
it
and
they
are
alive,
the
voters
are
aligned
with
the
mission
of
the
tc
that
we
know
that
that
is
creating
some
type
of
positive
impact.
But
there
was
actually
a
case
with
the
num
focus
proposal
that
there
was
this
request
if
they
wanted
to
mint
tc
tokens
and-
and
they
didn't
want
to
so
that
was
kind
of
controversial
inside
but
like
for
everyone
like.
E
A
Okay,
thank.
A
A
Naturally,
what
does
this
working
group
need
in
terms
of
skills
like
what
are
we
missing
right
now
so
clearly,
there's
some
need
for
analysis,
financial
analysis
and
accounting
analysis,
and
maybe
we've
got
those
skills
in-house
here,
but
if
not,
then
maybe
we
need
to
go,
find
him
right
within
the
community
or
maybe
even
outside
the
community.
That's
that's
one
thing.
A
What
I'd
like
you
all
to
be
thinking
about,
and
then
the
other
is
kind
of
to
get
to
that
point-
is
mapping
the
skills
and
interests
of
people
here
right
now
who
are
who
are
already
involved
in
the
working
group.
Let's
create
a
map
of
what
you
naturally
are
interested
in
in
diving
into
and
what
you
have
some
experience
on.
A
So
you
know,
bear
100!
I
remember
you
talking
about
something
kind
of
related
to
this
and
let's
not
dive
into
it
right
now,
but
this
is
kind
of
like
the
people
aspect
of
this
working
group
like
how
what
who's
here,
what
skills
do
we
have
and
then
what
do
we
need
to
grow
in
order
to
be
able
to
do
our
work
so
with
that
we
have
one
minute.
So,
let's
just
wrap
this
up,
gracefully
just
nice
say
goodbye
and
thank
you
all
for
coming.