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A
A
Cool,
so
oh,
maybe
this
one
yeah.
So
this
is
not
the
right
meeting
and
I
guess
just
for,
like
general
organization
stuff,
I
think
you
got
this.
This
link,
at
least
for
this
notion,
is
in
the
lab's
channel
I'll
post
it
again
too,
but
this
is
kind
of
where
the
work
will
happen
out
of
or
at
least
that's
the
plan,
the
some
of
the
coordination
so
like
I
have
the
the
working
group
for
the
mvp
page
right
here
and
basically
the
the
goal
for
this.
A
A
B
B
A
Engineering
so
yeah,
I
love
that
idea
and
and
yeah
I
mean
in
in
general.
I
think,
like
the
concept
of
an
mvp
can
or
what
we
actually
kind
of
create
or
work
on
in
this
working
group
could
be
a
lot
of
different
things.
This
this
whole,
like
nft
collaboration
with
the
te
academy,
is
just
kind
of
the
first
initiative.
That's
already
excuse
me,
man,
that's
already
kind
of
in
the
works,
so.
A
Yeah
it's
I
hadn't
heard
of
it
either
until
monday
this
week,
but
this
is
the
project
that
angela
has
been
in
touch
with,
and
they,
I
think
part
of
what
we
could
do
in
the
next
few
minutes,
too,
is
just
kind
of
take
a
look
at
this,
but
it's
basically
a
protocol.
That's
using
nfts
to
this
is
this:
is
the
technology,
the
nft
technology?
A
A
Does
it
kind
of
like?
Does
it
make
sense
when
we
s
does
like
this
sentence?
Make
sense
to
you
guys,
I'm
just
kind
of
curious,
because
I
think
I
understand
it
personally,
but
I'm
curious
like
what
it
what
else
or
like
what
other
perspectives.
There
are
how
other
people
might
interpret
like
this.
Getting
value
flowing
from
the
te
services
to
the
knowledge.
A
A
A
Cool
yeah,
I
think
it's
like
really.
I
think
it's
really
an
important
concept
too,
and
almost
one
that
certainly
has
to
happen
or
that
we
yeah
it
essentially
has
to
happen
if
this,
if
this
ecosystem
is
successful,
just
because
of
the
fact
that
it
kind
of
closes
that
value
the
value
loop
that
we
were
talking
about
so
based
on
that,
I
think
it's
a
perfect
place
to
try
and
get
something
minimum
minimum
viably
up
and
running
and
pumping
value.
So
yeah,
let's
see
so
I
guess
I'm
yeah
go.
A
A
So
the
the
way
that
I
understand
this
I
am
protocol
is
that
it
more
lays
down
similar
to
like
breadcrumbs
or
cookies.
I
think
in
web2
it
uses
nfts
to
track
modifications
or
like
adjustments
to
the
content.
So
if
somebody
edits
an
article
or
appends
an
article
or
something,
then
it
becomes
a
new
version
of
the
nft,
but
the
original.
A
I
think,
and
then
basically,
as
this
content
gets
distributed
across
the
network
of
token
engineers,
then
it
leaves
behind
sort
of
breadcrumbs
of
where
it
went
and
what
changed
at
each
instance
and
the
result
is
like
plumbing
it's
sort
of
the
piping
that
you
need
to
yeah.
It's
the
piping
that
you
need
to
have.
If
you
want
to
then
send
value
back
down
the
chain
to
the
all
of
the
contributors
to
that
to
that
piece
of
content,
and
so
did
that
make
sense.
A
And
then
there's
other
interesting
aspects
of
it
that
I
am
not
super
clear
on,
like
this
mkt
token
is
basically
the
universal
or
it's.
It
sounds
like
that's.
That
is
like
the
token
of
that's
used
in
this
in
this
protocol,
but
there
would
obviously
be
another
token
like,
for
example,
the
tec
token
that
would
have
to
interact
with
this
and
so
there's
some
questions.
I
guess
about
like
what
the
I
don't
know
how
that
how
that
works?
A
A
Yeah,
so
that
was
one
of
the
one
of
the
questions
that
I
think
is.
That
is
still
outstanding
for
me.
So
basically,
you
have
the
nfts
lay
down
the
piping
and
then
what
triggers
value
to
flow
through
the
piping.
And
how
does
that
actually
happen
and
where
does
like
the?
Where
is
the
value
coming
from.
A
Another
takeaway
that
I
had
from
the
conversation
is
that
there's
policies
that
are
set
for
each
nft
and
those
policies
are
what
that's
like
the
logic
of
value,
distribution
and
and
then
the
value
would
basically
come
from
some
pool
or
some
reserve
and
which
could
be
like
the
treasury,
for
example
the
treasury
of
this
ecosystem,
and
then
it's
kind
of
continuously
or
yeah.
It's
it's.
You
know
every
second
or
something
piping,
down
piping
value
back
through
these
branches
of
knowledge.
A
A
So
do
you
guys
have
any
thoughts
on
what
would
be
needed
for
the
minimum
viable
infrastructure
in
order
to
like
actually
see
value
start
to
flow?
These
were
just
kind
of
the
thoughts
that
the
a
few
thoughts
that
I
had.
So
obviously
you
need
some
sort
of
income.
You
need
the
value
that
will
eventually
flow,
so
it
could
be
income
from
services
paid.
A
To
a
token
engineer,
you
would
need
a
token
engineers
verifiable
credentials,
so
what
skills
do
they
have
and
then
you
need
the
piping
which
is
kind
of
what
this
nft
project
does
for
us.
So
yeah?
Where
did
that
knowledge
come
from?
Who
are
the
creators
and
then
we
need
some
protocol
or
policies
to
automate
the
distribution
of
this
income?
A
B
A
B
B
A
Yeah-
and
I
I
don't
think,
that's
something
we
will
build,
obviously
like
through
this
project,
but
I
think
it's
something
that
I've
heard
or
read
that
other
communities
are
working
on
like
metagame,
for
example,
I
personally
haven't
spent
a
bunch
of
time
much
time
there,
but
I've
read
a
little
bit
and
I've
heard
that
this
is
a
concept
that
they've
that
they're
using
too.
I
think
zargum
is
also
helping
them
out
with
the
whole
skill
forest
idea,
but
basically
that
that
would
be.
A
I
think,
skill
forest
is
one
of
the
one
of
the
topic
areas
that
we
would
want
to
dive
into
as
this
as
part
of
this
working
group
so
like
in
terms
of
the
work
that
we'll
be
doing
over
the
next
couple
weeks.
I
think
that's
one
for
sure
one
topic
that
is
basically
like
kind
of
researching,
like
r
d
figure
out,
what's
out
there,
what's
what
our
other
community
is
using
or
doing,
and
then
how
might
we
be
able
to
leverage
that
technology
in
the
long
run?
A
And
then
maybe
what's
what
is
available
for
us
to
leverage
in
the
short
run
to
to
make
this
minimum?
As
like
the
minimum
viable
infrastructure,
so
I
would
add
that
as
one
of
the
yeah
subtopics
for
the
working
group,
I
don't
know
if
either
of
you
I'm
personally
pretty
interested
in
this
one
too,
but
if
either
of
you
want
to
take
it
and
dig
in
and
we
can
all
contribute
to.
B
A
Cool
sweet
and
also
on
the
imm,
your
comment
about
just
understanding
this
more.
I
think
that
angela
has
better
answers
to
these
questions
and
we'll
get
to
catch
up
with
her
in
just
a
few
minutes,
so
she
will
also
probably
be
able
to
guide
us
a
lot
better
on
understanding
what
needs
to
be
done
here
on
this
topic,
but
then
yeah,
just
a
another
piece
of
context,
for
that
is.
B
A
A
Cool
yeah,
those
are
awesome
questions,
and
I
think
these
are.
These
are
questions
that
we
should
that
I
think
will
probably
come
up
in
this
next
call,
but
that
we
should
for
sure
bring
up
to
angela
too,
because
I
think
this
is
the
plan.
It's
like
understanding
who
like
who
are
the
stakeholders
that
would
be
using
this
this
infrastructure
and
then
that
would
help
inform
how
it
needs
to
be
built
and
then
yeah
understanding.
The
current
state
of
things
is
also
probably
important.
I,
like
that
point,
cool.
B
A
B
A
Oh
phil,
hey
zeptimus,
is
in
here
too
cool
no
worries
yeah
and
we're
actually
at
the
sort
of
the
stopping
point
for
the
actual
working
group
meeting,
and
now
we
can
all
jump
into
the
brainstorming
sesh
with
angela
and
the
tec
team
or
te
academy
team,
which
is
more
focused
around
this
iamm
topic,
but
to
kind
of
recap
for
phil
and
zeptimus
who
also
just
jumped
in
these
legal
structures
we
didn't
really
get
to
yet.
But
the
skillforce
verifiable
credentials
is
one
topic.
A
We're
gonna
need
to
go
down
the
rabbit
hole
on,
and
then
this
policies
for
mvp
yeah
policies
and
incentive
mechanism
design
is
another
one
we'll
want
to
jump
in
on,
and
this
is
kind
of
happening
naturally.
But
it's
super
important
too,
so
so,
basically
over
the
next
like
week
or
let's,
we
can
coordinate
in
discord
after
later
today
on
like
what
a
good
recurring
working
time
would
be.
But
these
are
the
topics
that
I
think
will
be
most
important
to
dig
in
on.
A
A
Yes,
I
would
agree,
and
so
the
I
think,
the
the
plan
for
these
topics
would
be
to
understand
them.
I
mean
come
at
it
from
like
a
high
level
and
then
whittle
down
to
like,
what's
practical,
what's
the
minimum,
what's
the
minimum
required
infrastructure
that
we
would
need
in
order
to
actually
actually
get
something
off
the
ground
and
have
value
start
flowing.
A
B
A
B
B
B
A
A
Maybe
it's
my
connection.
Can
I
can
you
guys
hear
me
all
right,
yeah,
all
right
cool,
then
yeah,
I
mean
we're
we're
ready
to
jump
in
to
the
iamm
topic,
angela.
We
we
basically
just
spent
the
last
like
20
minutes.
Talking
about
our
you
know
what
an
mvp
means
for
this
ecosystem
project
and
that
we
like
want
to
get
values
flowing
is
basically
the
goal
of
the
mvp
real
values.
A
B
B
B
C
A
A
Yeah,
I
think
so
I
can
start
from
our
side
and
then,
if
you
want
to
add
anything
in
that'll,
be
good
yeah,
cool
yeah.
So
maybe
a
small
small
background
for
myself
too,
and
so
this
project
overall,
is
an
idea
that
went
through
also
went
through
the
ecosystem,
value
flows
course
and
we're
essentially
trying
to
bring
a
services
component
to
the
token
engineering
ecosystem
and
phil
was
on
the
team.
A
Yeah
phil
was
on
the
team
and
there
was
four
others
and
we
basically
use
the
ecosystem.
Value
flows
course
to
map
out
the
stakeholders
in
the
te
space
and
understand,
starting
with,
like
a
you,
know,
a
stock
and
flow
diagram
of
where
the
value
is
kind
of
coming
in
from
client
work
and
where
it
could
go
into
funding
public
goods
and
also
contributing
to
academic
content
and
understanding
sort
of
all
the
mechanisms
or
all
of
the
yeah.
A
A
Because
angela
has
some
really
cool
slides
on
this.
So
maybe
this
would
be
better
for
her.
But
basically
the
knowledge
creators
create
knowledge
and
distribute
that
through
different
channels,
in
the
te
academy,
for
example,
and
ultimately
the
students
or
the
the
practicing
token
engineers
are
the
ones
who
benefit
from
that
knowledge
because
they
actually
are
able
to
practice
token
engineering
and
they
earn
income
by
practicing.
And
so
one
thing
we
want
to
work
on
is
understanding.
A
And
there's
this
really
cool
project
called
iamm
nfts
and
they
are
working
on
on
this
problem,
essentially
and
under
trying
to
understand
how
we
how
we
can
track
the
distribution
of
knowledge
in
the
form
of
digital
content
through
a
network
and
so
using
nfts
to
track
changes
in
content.
So
if
articles
are
updated
or
appended
or
if
videos
are
edited
and
then
understanding
who's,
viewed
those
videos
and
how
they
were
distributed
through
the
network
and
who
benefited
from
the
knowledge
or
who
benefited
with
knowledge
from
consuming
that
content.
A
A
So
so
yeah.
We're
kind
of
doing
a
workshop
today.
To
better
understand
the
stakeholders
in
this,
this
knowledge,
knowledge,
distribution
and
value
flow
system,
and
if
this
is
basically
the
point
where
there's
a
lot
of
overlap
between
the
services
ecosystem
and
the
te
academy
ecosystem,
because
token
engineers
can
be
practicing
or
academics,
but
it's
the
same,
the
same
sort
of
archetype
or
the
same
person
potentially.
C
Yeah
super
great
summary
of
of
what
we
are
aiming
for.
I
here's
a
mirror
boy
and
I
just
want
to
here's
a
summary
of
the
problems
we
we
try
to
solve,
and
it's
mainly
that
we,
this
was
something
we
touched
on
in
our
first
call
talking
about
this,
that
in
that,
since
this
discipline
is
so
young,
there's
still
so
much
to
learn
that
you
can't,
even
if
you
have
attended
a
course
or
if
you
have
a
background
in
engineering
and
then
built
on
it
with
cat
cat,
it's
hard
to
claim.
C
Okay,
I'm
a
complete
token
engineer
today,
right
so
there's
always
so
much
to
learn.
So
we
imagine
and
envision
a
continuous,
let's
say
in
the
in
in
the
in
the
journey
of
a
professional
token
engineer,
there
might
be
a
con
phases
of
learning
and
sharing
learnings
and
learning
together,
collaboration
also
co-research
and
then
applying
it
to
a
particular
pro
project.
C
Then
go
back
to
the
community,
invest
your
time
again
in
further
developing
the
tools
or
also
building
on
what
you've
experienced
in
in
in
a
project
and
enhancing
our
tool
set
and
and
the
templates
the
the
mental
models
we
have
and
work
for
the
common
good
and
then
go
back
to
the
applied
side
and
be
hired
again
as
a
token
engineer.
So
ideally,
this
is
not
like
it
is
today
where
you
have
to
decide
either
you
you
go
to
the
industry
sector
and
do
consult.
C
Rather,
we
want
to
have,
we
don't
want
to
have
this
sharp
split.
We
see
a
typical,
just
logical
journey
of
any
token
engineer,
having
both
right
and
working
on
both
ends
and
being
enabled
to
work
on
both
ends,
and
this,
of
course
depends
on
opportunities
on
openness
between
these
two
spaces
and
also
on
funding
and
remark
on
on
the
mvp.
C
C
C
The
the
investment
is
different
and
it's
also
always
like
as
a
if
you're
doing
such
groundbreaking
work.
It's
not
monetizable
directly,
whereas
if
you
are
on
the
learner
side
and
now,
based
on
on
the
courses
and
based
on
anything
else,
you
have
been
doing
cat
cat.
Well,
projects
are
coming
in
trying
to
hire
token
engines.
C
So
it's
much
easier
to
well
be
a
professional
and
fund
your
work,
and
so
we
want
to
solve
this
via
having
this
that
close
plumbing
right,
where
the,
where
the
the
pillars
of
the
fundaments
and
of
the
education
benefit
from
t
comments.
This
is
just
an
example.
It
can
be
also
other
external
sources
of
funding
where
we
say.
C
Or
right,
the
blue,
arrow
or
the
loop
plumps
are
funding
streams
like
coming
from
outside.
It
can
be
two
commons,
it
can
be
funding
partners
like
projects
like
we
are
at
the
moment,
doing
it
with
balancer
with
ocean
protocol
with
bitcoin,
and
it
can
be
in
the
future,
of
course,
also
with
entities
and
organizations
who
want
to
support
us
in
this
general
mission
of
building
a
discipline
and
also
building
new
web
free
concepts
for
education.
C
We
just
had
a
call
today
and
I
think
all
these
sources
are
relevant
and
then
how
can
we
make
sure
that
really
good
value
flows,
enabling
students
enabling
scholarships
covering
the
mentors
and
also
enabling
time
for
doing
research
for
the
common
good?
For
our
token
engineering
public
facilitators,
I
mean
I,
I've
created
three
cohorts
with
michal
and
chapman
preparing
a
three
weeks
course.
A
Give
you
some
inspiration.
Another
quick
question
about
that
chart.
Could
the
source
of
funding,
in
the
case
of
in
the
case
of
like
the
services
side
of
things,
the
source
of
funding
could
be
a
project
that,
like
a
token
engineering
project,
so
the
source
of
funding
is
kind
of
like
a
blockchain
project
and
then
these
first
seven
students
are
the
team
of
token
engineers
that
worked
on
the
project
and
they
were
all
paid
by
the
project
and
then
their
parts
of
their
income
was
also
redistributed
back
down
through
the
piping.
C
Sure
that
that's
another
option,
so
we
had
this
conversation
on
pay
to
learn
or
dual
education,
so
one
element
would
be
okay.
You
hire
a
junior
token
engineer
to
work
on
your
project,
but
since
this
is
a
junior
person,
you
enable
this
person
to
add
fifty
percent
of
his
or
her
time
dedicate
to
join
te
academy
courses
or
join
lab
sessions
or
join
a
research
group
just
to
have
the
chance
to
grow
in
terms
of
knowledge
and
experience
in
how
to
apply
this.
C
And
of
course,
this
is
one
element
so
funding
the
students
directly
and
similarly
fund
the
te
academy
educational
offerings
in
total-
and
I
think
we
need
both
or
perhaps
we
need
both
pay
to
learn-
is
a
I
say,
double-sided
sword,
because
in
general
I
would
love
to
build
on
intrinsic
motivation
here
as
well.
I
don't
have
at
the
moment
we
are
in
in
the
situation.
I
think
we
don't
have
to
force
anybody
to
learn
token
engineering,
but
yeah.
C
C
B
C
C
In
the
ecosystem
value
flows,
it's
totally
cool.
How
holistically
shatnam
is
approaching
this,
how
to
design
value
flows
and
also
the
responsibility
and
side
effects
of
defining
value
in
a
system,
for
example.
But
then,
of
course,
we
also
have
feedbacks
like
okay.
I
want
to
learn
more
about
simulations
and
where
to
go
to,
and
also
on
not
only
the
software
aspect
of
it,
but
also
the
systems,
thinking
complex
systems,
engineering
aspect
of
it,
this
expertise
in
building
models
and
simulations.
C
C
This
would
be
this
clear
added
value.
There
can
be
additional
working
live
working
sessions
where
just
people
gather
around
a
certain
module
students
and
mentors,
and
this
this
can
be
also
like
the
lab
style
in
the
next
two
weeks.
There's
a
group
working
on
the
the
ecosystem,
value
flows,
more
module.
So
if
you
have
attended
this
online
course
and
you
want
to
just
discuss
and
deepen
your
knowledge
about
this
aspect,
join
this
group
right
and
let's
have
a
call
every
thursday.
C
Something
like
that,
and
all
those
people
would
add
value
to
the
tea
fundamentals
and
we
could
have
by
taking
this
as
the
first
mvp,
we
could
register
the
knowledge
that
is
included
in
such
a
course.
The
facilitation
work
and
mentoring,
students,
contributions
and
results,
and
this
might
be
a
perfect
case
for
a
first
implementation
of
the
mvp
okay.
B
Because
I
participated
also
in
the
ocean
study
group-
and
I
think
it
was
amazing-
all
the
insight
from
this
group
and
generally
to
learn
about
ocean,
because
if
you
start
learning
about
ocean,
it's
like
yeah,
you
need
some
time
to
really
fully
understand
how
ocean
works,
and
it's
amazing
the
moment
you
understood
it,
but
is
there
like
a
kind
of
a
booklet
or
like
an
outcome?
What's
an
outcome
created
of
this
course?
C
So
what
is
the
ideal
transfer
of
community
collaboration
to
the
next
generation
to
all
the
students
that
are
coming
later,
and
this
is
certainly
and
totally
interesting
discussion
in
the
area
because
yeah,
I
think
there
are
so
many
discussions
and
great
results
that
aren't
captured
nowhere
and
that
are
not
accessible.
This
is
certainly
a
big
topic.
B
B
What
do
you
cure
from
this,
or
I
mean
if
you
would
have
like
this
ocean
study,
guide
or
ocean
case
study
and
like
couple
of
questions
in
the
end,
then
you
could
create
a
verified
potential
or
nft
or
whatever
to
a
person
that
he
understood
ocean
to
this
point
of
time
and
the
people
who
created
this
ocean
booklet
could
be
then
rewarded
to
a
certain
extent
or
whatever
for
creating
this
and
issuing
this
credential.
Basically.
C
So
I
I
think
there
are
all
kinds
of
we
can
be
really
creative
on
based
on.
I
guess
your
own
experience
what
was
really
relevant
when
it
comes
to
learning
and
based
on
what
we
see
as
a
need
from
future
students
from
mentors
and
also
from
the
projects
outside
what
they
want
to
see.
If
somebody
says
hey,
I'm
a
trained
token
engineer,
what
what
do
you
want
to
see
and
how
to
verify
skills
forest
right?
This
is
another
aspect
to
it:
to
prove
your
expertise
and
skills.
C
Side
note
here
the
so
what
we
need
to
have
to
make
next
steps
with,
I
am
is
to
have
a
good
understanding
what
we
want
to
build.
This
is
not
necessarily
what
I
am
will
be
able
to
build.
It's
just
most
important
is
to
have
a
good
picture
of
what
we
are
aiming
for,
and
then
next
step
is
to
discuss
this
with.
C
I
am
if
this
is
suitable,
if
it
makes
sense
to
build
this
for
them
and
also
for
us,
so
there
might
be
an
element
where
this
breaks,
where
we
just
don't
see
how
this
is
coming
together
nicely
or
it
might
be,
also
can
be
a
conflict
time
wise
on
their
roadmap
and
what
we
want
to
achieve
by
the
end
of
the
year.
So
I
see
I
am
as
a
great
opportunity.
C
A
Cool
okay,
so
yeah,
then
the
overall
goal
is
to
really
hash
out
what
what
type
of
infrastructure
we
need
that
fits
yeah.
That
fits
our
needs
the
most
and
by
our
needs.
We
really
mean
the
stakeholder
needs
in
the
ecosystem
and
the
stakeholders
that
are
in
the
ecosystem
are
the
four
that
you've
highlighted.
A
This
is
at
least
one
perspective
on
how
to
to
bucket
them.
Obviously,
you
can
cut
archetypes
very
differently
depending
on
what
your
purpose
is,
but
this
is.
This
is
the
cut
that
we
have
and
we
have
students,
mentors,
researchers
and
facilitators,
and
this
is,
I
think,
an
important
note
to
make.
Is
that,
like
these,
four
stakeholders
are
the
key
stakeholders?
In
the
token
engineering
academy,
ecosystem
and
they're,
also
key
stakeholders
in
the
te
services
ecosystem
and
the
fact
that
there's
overlap?
A
B
A
A
A
B
A
It
is
not
working
there,
we
go
yeah,
so
these
are
the
stakeholder
profiles
and
conveniently
three
of
them
are
actually
stakeholders
that
we
had
mapped
out
from
the
ecosystem,
value
flows
course
with
our
team.
So
this
is
a
stakeholder
that
in
our
in
our
breakdown,
we
had
kind
of
called
it
a
floater,
but
it's
very
similar
to
this
research
role
and
we
basically,
we
had
an
interview
with
someone
that
we
felt
fit
this
stakeholder
profile
and
we
asked
them
a
bunch
of
questions,
and
this
is
kind
of
the
outcome.
B
B
A
C
A
No
worries
yeah,
so
this
is
one
of
the
stakeholders
that
we
mapped
as
a
floater,
but
I
think
it's
very
very
much
similar
to
the
researching
role.
This
is
one
of
the
stakeholders
that
we
call
the
practicing
token
engineer,
that's
crypto
native,
and
I
think
this
is
very
similar
to
a
student.
So
it's
essentially
this,
like
you,
know
someone
whose
career
it
is
to
provide
token
engineering
services,
but
they
also
will
want
to
pivot
and
go
back
and
learn
things
and
be
part
of
the
academic
ecosystem.
A
Again
at
some
point,
and
so
we
were
able
to
get
a
bunch
of
post-its
down
there
and
then.
Lastly,
we
were
calling
this
a
guide
in
our
project,
but
I
think
it's
essentially
a
mentor
and
it's
people
who
have
tons
of
information
and
aspire
to
help
tes
find
knowledge
and
the
last
one
was
a
facilitator
which
I'm
not
sure
we
really
had
exactly
or
we
maybe
had
similarities.
But
this
is
basically
one
profile
that
we
could
work
on.
A
Then
the
other
tool
that
we
could
use
is
this
interaction
matrix,
which
is
pretty
cool,
and
basically
you
have
it's
a
matrix
with
the
same
four
stakeholders
on
the
top
and
the
side,
and
the
direction
of
exchange
is
always
from
left
to
top
and
for
if
we
can
zoom
in
and
read
this
enough,
this
box
would
be
for
what
is
exchanged
between
this
stakeholder
and
that
stakeholder
and
this
box
is
for.
Why
so
kind
of?
What's
the
motivation
behind
it?
A
Obviously,
this
the
the
middle
of
this
matrix
would
be
the
stakeholder
to
itself,
so
that
might
not
make
a
sense
make
as
much
sense,
but
I
think,
there's
for
sure
some
really
important
quadrants
of
this
matrix,
like
mentor
to
student
or
researcher,
to
student
student
to
facilitator,
and
so
these
are
kind
of
the
motivations.
This
is
where
we
really
hash
out
what
the
motivations
are
for
the
stakeholders
in
this
ecosystem.
A
And
then
the
idea
would
basically
be
once
you
really
understand
your
stakeholders
and
their
backgrounds
you're
able
to
interpret
what
their
needs
and
offers
are
and
what
their
motivations
are
and
then,
with
all
of
that
stuff,
we
would
be
able
to
have
hopefully
a
really
clear
picture
of
how
the
value
flow
infrastructure
would
need
to
be
set
up,
for
example,
who
who's
expecting
to
get
value
out
of
their
interactions
versus
who's.
Maybe
intrinsically
doing
this
or
yeah
motivations
and
things
like
that.
C
Absolutely
so
I
think
it's
totally
so
no
need
to
rush
right.
This
should
be
just
a
starting
point
and
we
certainly
don't
need
to
have
the
fully
fledged
value
at
the
end
of
the
session.
It's
rather
okay.
We
start
with
a
good
understanding.
It's
also
good
for
the
mvps
to
understand
the
scope
and
then
forget
about
the
entire
scope
and
mvp
and
concentrate
on
okay.
What
are
the
stakeholders?
C
Market,
maybe
better
better
word,
probably
would
be
make
it
accessible
so
like
it's
not
enough
to
certainly
super
important
to
publish
an
article,
but
we
have
loads
of
articles
on
our
website
loads
of
articles
and
reading
lists
how
to
how
to
help
people
stuff
kid
accessible
right.
So
you
could
read
an
article
about
motivations,
but
this
template
actually
helps
a
lot
in
shaping
such
a
workshop,
particularly
if
you
collaborate
online
and
so
on.
So
creating
templates
creating
an
agenda
for
a
course
setting
up
feedback
sessions
setting
up
a
game
sessions.
C
This
would
be
then
facilitation
and
then
the
mentors
on
top
of
that
would
be
probably
in
the
direct
interaction
with
the
students
and
there
there
are,
of
course,
I'd
say:
facilitators
are
rather
building
the
concepts
and
the
structures
for
education
and
the
mentors
in
the
direct
relationship
with
the
students.
Perhaps
this
is
the
difference
between
those
two
yeah
and
and,
of
course,
as
a
mentor
you
and
as
or
as
a
senior
person.
B
C
B
A
More
of
a
facilitator,
if
the
researcher
is
like
really
deep
in
very
academic
research,
like
I
think
zargham
is
so
I
would.
I
would
probably
agree
with
that.
This
was
just
my
interpretation
as
researcher
researcher,
but
yeah
mikhail
was
the
floater
and
then
engineers
or
other
random
people,
but
also
important
to
the
ecosystem.
A
If
you
just
have
some
time,
I
found
it
best
to
do
those
things
in
like
half
hour
45
minute
sessions
like
on
my
own
and
then
maybe
connect
with
one
or
two
people
from
this
call.
That's
also
working
on
the
same
thing
and
then
just
like
bounce
ideas
back
off
each
other
and
adjust
your
post-it
notes
and
stuff
like
that
or
your
stickies.
A
B
B
B
C
I
think
that
at
some
point
this
was
what
phil
was
mentioning
at
some
point.
You
of
course
want
to
have
to
prove
as
a
student
that
you
attended
successfully
in
a
program
or
you
want
to
prove
as
a
co-researcher
that
you-
and
this
is
what
we're
actually
already
doing
with
kickback
nfts,
that
you
have
been
participating
in
a
certain
research
group
and
we
have
even
already
different
levels:
nft
for
pure
participation
or
successful
participation
and
then
for
additionally
for
exceptional
contributions.
C
And
this
adds
to
the
skill,
forest
and
skill
forest
at
the
moment
is
also
looking
into
how
to
make
use
of
nfts
for
skills
in
overall
in
crypto
and
then,
of
course,
in
token
engineering
as
well,
and
it
makes
total
sense
to
have
this
included
in
the
mvp.
And
I
mean
the
most
obvious
thing
is
okay:
what
are
the
criteria
for
proving
that
you
have
successfully
completed
the
t
fundamentals
program?
C
A
B
A
C
Yeah
such
things
tend
to
explode
in
terms
just
that,
and
it's
totally
fine,
let's
be
I'd,
suggest
that
we
are
really
open
and
take
the
full
scope
of
things
we
would
wish
to
have
right.
Let's,
let's
paint
the
picture
of
the
perfect
outcome
and
then
it
next
step
will
be
nay
or
cutting
it
down
to
a
reasonable
mvp.
C
Also
being
aware
of
what
would
what
do
we
actually
want
to
learn
by
having
this
mvp
and
what
how
to
make
it
a
valuable
minimum,
viable
product
and
then
based
on
that,
of
course,
go
extend
and
enhance
functionality
and
features
and
yeah.
I
think
that's
a
matter
of
discussion
always
so
painting
the
picture,
full
scope
and
then
discuss
it
with
the
partner
beat
I
am
or
another
solution.
C
Can
we
have
a
combination
of
different
solutions,
or
is
it
just
overwhelming
in
terms
of
workload
and
management?
This
will
be
the
element
of
iterations
in
defining
the
mvp
okay.
I
can
take
the
final
minutes
to
just
make
you
aware
of.
I
am
so
this
is.
I
am
and
it's
bill
tana
is
the
cto
and
he
was
here
we
go.
He
was
student
at
ecosystem
value
flows
and
they
are
building
a
protocol
for
decentralized
digital
goods.
It
can
be
art,
it
can
be
content
like
books.
C
It
can
be
knowledge,
they
want
to
take
a
different
route
to
compared
to
the
the
typical
mv.
No
sorry
nft
platforms
today
that
are
trying
to
establish
a
platform
for
exchanging
and
tracking
nfts.
They
want
to
put
it
to
the
protocol
level
to
have
the
most
fundamental
layer
of
technology
to
enable
nft
functionalities
and
then
being
more
flexible
on
whatever
to
put
on
top
of
it.
C
C
And,
yes,
we
have
to
find
out,
and
yes,
shepnam
sherman
lisa
are
involved
for
what
they
are
working
on,
sherman
for
her
research,
shaping
them
for
hitchhikers
guide,
lisa
for
her
books
and
publishing
work.
So
they
are
already
relationship
established
and
yeah
the
we
have
to
see
now.
Okay,
how
would
these
value
flows
fit
in
and
feel
free
to
make
yourself
familiar
with
the
concept?
C
A
Yeah,
I
think
the
mirror
the
stakeholders
and
the
interaction
matrix
would
be
really
cool
to
have
people.
Chip
in
on,
I
think,
having
more
perspectives
that
take
fewer
time
is,
is
better
than
having
one
person
who
does
the
whole
thing,
because
it's
very
biased,
then,
and
then,
as
for
the
extra
topics,
besides
the
stakeholders
that
we
wanted
to
dig
into,
I
think
individually.
A
People
should
take
a
look
at
the
ia,
am
tech,
stuff
and
then,
basically
think
of
any
questions
or
concerns
or
issues
that
you
might
see
with
the
tech
or
maybe
it
works
perfectly
for
how
you're
kind
of
envisioning
it
and
then
yeah.
So,
questions
on
the
tech
and
then
skill,
forest
and
verified
credentials
would
be
the
other
topic
that
I
think
yeah
dive
into.
C
C
Now
next
step
is
to
have
the
motivation
metrics
filled
and
to
come
to,
let's
say
a
shared
picture
of
this
is
what
what
a
student
can
provide
and
what
a
student
expects
and
needs,
and
based
on
that,
we
can
work
next
week
on
what
would
that
mean
for
an
mvp
and
then
put
put
up
a
document
that
we
are
able
to
share
and
discuss
with
tanner?
I
think
that
that
would
be
fine
cool.