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C
Okay,
so
I
posted
the
notes
on
softgov
and
I'll.
Add
I'll.
Add
this.
This
goes
with
the
the
question
I
had
thought
too,
but
this
week
so
many
people
came
talk
to
me,
reach
out
to
me
asking
like
hey
how
how
do
you
guys
have
so
much
engagement
in
tc
like
how?
C
How
do
you
bring
people
together
in
a
community?
How
I
don't
know
what
how
how
did
you
do
this
process?
How
have
you
been
doing,
and
then
I
thought
of
asking
you
guys
like
if,
based
on
the
cultural
practices
we've
been
developing
and
on
your
personal
experiences?
What's
the
best
advice
you
would
give
to
someone
starting
a
decentralized
community.
C
D
I
wasn't
expecting
that
it's
a
really
great
question
and
I
was
thinking
of
answers
because
I
don't
have
one
on
the
ready.
It's
not.
I
honestly
haven't
thought
about
it
before,
but
my
knee-jerk
reaction
is
that
it
would
be
something
similar
to
starting
a
company
or
starting
a
business
or
starting.
You
know
some.
D
You
know
something
an
initiative
with
partners
and
that
you
want
to
do
it
with
the
people
who
have
you
know
who
you
work
well
with
and
who
you
have
a
future
vision,
that's
shared
with,
so
I
think
it
has
a
lot
to
do
with
you
know
who
you
walk
down
the
road
of
life
with
and
then
for
the
accountability
who
watches
the
people
who
are
watching
who
watches
the
watchers.
D
That's
the
second
question
yeah,
you
know
there's
something
interesting
about
when
everything's
visible,
everybody's
watching
you
know
everybody's
watching
the
watchers
and
the
watchers
are
watching
everybody.
So
that's
gonna
be
my
answer
for
that
and
I'll
pass
to
durgadus.
E
Well,
I'm
actively
engaged
in
starting
communities,
two
of
them
in
fact,
right
now.
So
this
is
a
very
relevant
question
to
me.
Our
spiral
dynamics
group
is
considering
sort
of
darifying
and
the
very
first
question
is
what
about
governance.
E
So
here
we
are
all
talking
about
that,
and
this
is
actually
the
this
is
actually
the
group.
I
I
asked
them
to
show
up
in
to
talk
about
that
and
to
learn
about
that
and
to
look
at
what
we're
doing
in
the
gravity
group
and
all
this
kind
of
thing
so
yeah,
it's
a
very
relevant
thing,
but
I'm
a
little
bit
ahead
of
them.
E
As
far
as
you
know,
my
head's
been
in
that
game
for
a
little
bit
a
little
while
so
they're
gonna
try
to
catch
up,
but
I
would
say
my
first
advice
to
the
community
would
be
to
make
sure
you
understand
what
it
is
that
you're,
uniquely
oriented
on,
that
is
to
say
what
is
the
the
through
the
intention
and
every
single
person
in
that
community
should
be
going
hell,
yeah
or
it's.
No.
E
The
second
thing
is
to
make
sure
that
everyone
orients
on
a
common
language,
with
respect
to
how
to
contextualize
everything,
that's
going
on
how
to
sort
of
resolve
misunderstandings
and
create
trust
simultaneously,
and
then
the
third
would
be
to
to
make
sure
you
decide
on
sort
of
platforms
and
are
you
doing
like
a
digital
community?
That's
a
digital
100,
or
are
you
looking
at
kind
of
a
the
traditional,
intentional
community
or
some
kind
of
blend
of
those
two?
E
So
then,
you've
got
like
a
practical
ground
for
what
it
is
that
you're
dealing
with
and
those
three
things
I
think
kind
of
form.
The
foundation
of
that
kind
of
community.
E
I
don't
know
who's
gone
yet
so
can
I
pass
it
to
nate?
Maybe
is
he
talked.
F
I
have
not,
but
I
need
to
be
briefed.
Apologies
for
the
tardiness.
C
Hey
nate,
the
question
is
based
on
the
cultural
practices
we've
been
developing
and
your
personal
experiences.
What's
the
best
advice
you
would
give
to
someone
starting
a
decentralized
community
plus
who
watches
the
watchmen.
G
F
The
first
one
is
a
hell
of
a
loaded
question,
but
it's
one
that
I
am
constantly
seeking.
The
answer
to
a
piece
of
advice
for
a
decentralized
community
is
man,
clear
past
the
participation,
diversity
and
thought
and.
F
Creating
a
a
base
structure
where
you
have
a
set
of
beliefs
or
a
set
of
values
that
you're
all
built
around.
I
think
those
are
the
three
core
things
that
can
set
up
your
constitution.
If
you
will,
and
if
you
can
establish
that,
I
think
you
can
have
a
cohesive
community
that
can
grow
incrementally
over
time.
But
that's
a
very
loaded
question
so.
H
Thank
you,
I
think,
if
I
would
have
to
think
there's
a
bunch
of
things
that
are
making
this
community
or
have
have
made
this
community
become
what
it
is,
but
if
I
had
to
mention
three
of
them,
I
would
say
that
probably
the
amount
of
time
that
the
initial
stewards
not
including
myself,
spent
before
the
official
launch,
was
very
important
because
you
guys
were
building.
H
You
know
the
the
thoughts
and
the
structure
and
the
you
know
and
the
and
the
values
of
the
organization,
the
good
welcome
that
we
give
everyone
and
the
diversity
other
other
dolls,
I
would
say,
90
of
the
people,
is
engineering,
programmers
and
in
this
community
you
find
people
who
never
touch
a
piece
of
code
and
they
are
welcome
and
they
feel
welcome,
and
that's
that's
that's
great
and
and
finally-
and
this
also
has
to
do
with
who
watches
the
watchers
is
transparency
and
feedback.
H
H
Everyone
gets
to
see
contributing,
although
of
course,
there's
differences,
because
there's
people
who's
getting
who's
getting.
You
know,
100
percent
of
impact
towers
and
other
stones,
depending
on
on
how
much
they
are
engaged
on
directly
on.
I
H
The
group
on
the
organization,
but
but
I
think
transparency
is
key,
because
you
know
anyone
can
see
what
the
watchers
are
doing,
just
checking
at
the
impact
hours
and
the
dedication
they're,
putting
and
and
and
that's
that
brings
away
any
any
doubt
that
you
may
have
on.
Why
is
this
guy
leading?
And
why
is
this
one,
this
one
getting
so
many
impact
hours
or
recognition
or
whatever?
So
those
would
be
my
advice
to
spend
as
much
time
as
you
can
just
defining
the
values
and
welcoming
everyone
and
that's
that's
it.
J
Hey
guys,
the
the
first
one
is
a
really
tough
question,
but
I
agree
with
santi
and
many
other
set
and
I'll
try
to
put
it
like.
This
is
mainly
like
a
clear
alignment
between
the
values
and
the
goals
of
the
of
the
organization,
because
when
everyone
is
in
the
same
road,
I
guess
it's
easier
for
everyone
to
feel
good
about
what
they
are
doing
and
not
obligated
or
or
won't
feel
like
a
part.
Everybody
should
feel
like
united
within
the
same
goals,
sharing
the
same
values.
J
G
G
Right
now
I
would
say,
like
reading
the
book
of
governing
the
commons
is
a
really
good
practice,
because
the
eight
principles
and
the
whole
book
itself
make
you
realize
of
the
importance
of
the
things
that
are
hard
to
to
put
in
a
in
an
equation
and
the
importance
of
of
of
the
cultural
build,
and
also,
I
would
say
that
it's
really
important
what
scientist
said
that
is
to
put
value
in
the
organization
before
trying
to
get
profit
from
it.
G
Because-
and
here
I
am
going
to
read
something
that
is
from
the
chapter
we
read
today
in
the
book
that
ostrom
says
simply
following
short-term
profit.
Maximization
in
response
to
the
market
price
for
a
resource
may
use
for
a
resource
may
in
a
cpr
environment,
be
exactly
the
strategy
that
will
destroy
the
cpr,
leaving
eve
everyone
worse
off
so
like
when
you
try
to
follow
short
term
profit
maximization.
That
would
be
the
exact
strategy
to
destroy
your
cpr.
So
you
need
to
look
if
not
just
to
be
short-term
profiting,
but
long-term
strategic.
G
And
on
the
question
on
who
watches
the
watchmen,
I
think
it's
very
related
also
to
ostrom
eighth
principle,
that
is
the
nested
enterprises
and
that
that
is
something
that
we
are
going
to
talk
about
a
little
bit
seth
and
I
in
the
in
the
meeting
that
is
to
use
criterias
that
work
well
between
dows,
so
that
our
inner
criteria
are
synced
with
them.
And
somehow
we
have
like
the
same
language
between
the
nested
enterprise
and
I
will
pass
to.
G
I
Hi
yeah,
this
is
a
huge
question.
I
kind
of
think
about
these
things
a
little
differently
like
I
mean
I,
you
know
ostrom's
great,
I'm
a
big
emma
goldman
fan.
I
like
I
know,
crypto
like
you
know,
started
the
you
know
we
have
dows
and
decentralization.
I
I
think
it's
just
like
this
rock
that
started
rolling
down
a
mountain
right,
but
what
really
threw
the
rock
down
the
mountain
like
we
have
all
of
us
all
over.
You
know
a
a
deeper
purpose
for
like
looking
at
what
we
see
every
day
and
realizing
quite
clearly
that
this
is
this.
Is
this?
Is
this
this
isn't
anything
I
want
to
be
a
part
of
you
know
like
there's
nothing
healthy
about
any
of
this,
so
how?
How
do
we
do
something
different?
I
And
I
think
you
know
that
that
whole
rock
rolling
down
the
mountain
getting
bigger
was
is
just
a
part
of
that
and
if
you
want
you
want
to
be
a
part
of
this,
this
collective.
You
know,
I
think
you
really
have
to
ask
yourself
the
questions.
You
know
you
shouldn't
be
asking
me,
I
mean
you
know,
because
this
is
all
our
own
personal
journey.
You
know
like
I.
I
think
a
lot
of
the
bigger
questions
aren't
isn't
about
finance
or
or
or
any
of
that
like
it's
just
like.
Why
are
you
here?
I
You
know,
I
think,
you're
here,
because
you
want
to
be
here
like
you're.
It's
something
something
called
you
to
be
a
part
of
this,
because
this
is
this
is
a
rock
rolling
down
the
mountain.
You
know
what
I
mean.
I'm
probably
not
saying
this
very
well,
but
I
I
do
like
I
wanna.
I
really
do
love
emma
goldman,
so
some
things
she
has
said
in
the
time
is
the
political
arena
leaves
one
leaves
no
one
an
alternative.
One
must
either
be
a
dunce
or
a
rogue.
I
I
mean
you
don't
get
a
choice
once
you
start
thinking
for
yourself,
there's
nothing
else
you
can
do
you
have
to
do
something
different,
so
I
think
in
a
way
in
a
modern
times.
You
know
this
is
where
we
are
like
we're
utilizing
technology,
because
that's
this
new
age
weapon
right
that
they
would.
I
mean
they
weaponize
it
and
we're
trying
to
do
something
different
with
it.
So
I
think
it's
just
like
a
catalyst
of
societies
and
advancement
of
human
population.
I
To
some
extent
I
mean
that's
getting
pretty
out
there,
but
I
I
don't
really
think
about
it.
Just
as
like
money,
I
I
think
we
collectively
almost
like
we're
getting
back
to
a
tribal
sense
like
we're
finding
each
other
like
taos,
aren't
just
potential
future
societies.
They're
also
like
this
going
back
to
a
tribal
point
and
creating
a
collective
community
of
a
like-minded
people
to
do
something
beneficial,
you
know
and
and
work
with
each
other
and
not
just
take
from
each
other.
I
think
we're
abandoning
like
word
than
not
we're
we're
denying
the
status
quo.
I
I
Oh
yeah,
those
guys
damn
them
well,
I
guess,
like
I
would
just
capitalize
like
we
are
trying
to
build
something.
You
know
you're
trying
to
create
a
community
of
like-minded
people
and
and
as
a
as
an
anarchist,
and
that's
only
because
we
don't
have
any
other
terms.
What
are
we
supposed
to
call
ourselves?
I
really
wish
we
didn't
have
to,
but
we
shouldn't
you
shouldn't
need
one
I
mean
really
like.
I
know
we
need
watchmen.
I
I
know
we
need
people
and
transparency
totally
moving
on,
but
honestly,
if
we
were
doing
this
the
way
we
should
be
doing
it,
we
shouldn't
that
shouldn't
really
be
an
issue,
because
why
would
I
want
to
do
something
against
someone
else?
I
mean,
obviously
it's
not
going
to
work
that
well,
but
that's
kind
of
my
thought
on
it.
It's
your
intention,
okay.
K
B
Thank
you
well
for
the
first
question.
The
first
thing
that
came,
to
my
mind
was
the
humanness
of
the
commons.
I
think
that,
well
I
I
am
not
sure
how
other
dolls
are,
but
what
it
feels
special
from
here
is
that
we
put
our
faces
on
so
in
some
way.
We
are.
B
I
think
that
the
point
of
starting
a
company
is
is
good,
because
a
company
has
some
some
objectives,
some
purpose,
but
it's
also
something
like,
from
my
perspective,
to
find
a
social
group,
it's
more
like.
We
are
here
for
chatting
and
learning
together
and
reading
books
together
and
building
something
that
has
some
meaning,
and
so
it's
it's.
I
think
that
this
is
is
thriving
in
exploiting
the
social,
the
social.
B
You
know
the
the
the
social,
my
english,
I'm
sorry
sometimes
fails
me
whatever
it's
a
very
social
now
in
the
sense
of
the
of
the
humans,
and
then
I
think
that
if
I
had
to
say
just
one
thing
that
that
will
be
the
one
for
the
second
question
who
watches
the
watchmen,
I
didn't
mean
that
they're
watchmen.
I
think
that
we
are,
we
all
are
kind
of
watchmen,
but
in
in
the
confession
on
those,
I
guess
that
you
have
already
been
exploring
that
on
on
softgovan.
B
I
don't
used
to
come
so
much
to
this
call.
So
maybe
it's
something
that
you
have
already
discussed.
What
happens?
Sometimes,
what
I
have
seen
in
dallas
is
that
people
who
misbehave
they
get
ostracized
by
the
community,
and
we
have
seen
that
in
in
the
house
like,
for
example,
in
in
one
hive,
there
was
a
case
in
which
there
was
a
hacker
who
tried
to
steal
from
them.
B
It
was
not
stealing
from
from
the
common
pool,
but
it
was
like.
I
think
that
didn't
like
so
much
that
the
people
the
people
didn't
like
so
much
so
at
the
end,
people,
because
of
the
anonymity
of
everything
there
cannot
be
graduated
sanctions.
B
You
have
to
advertise
that
that
person
is
not
responding.
Well,
I
I
don't
know
how
to
say
that
this
person
is
is
not
trustworthy,
because
it
involves
some
security
issues
and
and
then,
regarding.
B
In
some
way
it
can
be
harmful.
Maybe
I
I
I
I
just
would
like
to
add
that,
even
if
we
think
that
there
are
no
hierarchies
in
the
house,
normally
there
is
people
who
has
more
weight
than
others
in
every
social
group,
and
when
we
we
say
that
we
are,
we
are
an
organisational
organization.
B
B
We
are
missing
the
point
that
actually
the
there
is
a
tyranny
of
structures
of
the
structured
less-ness
in
which,
if
we
don't
have
a
structure-
and
we
don't
give
the
opportunity
to
people
to
become
what
they
would
like
to
be
and
because
of
whatever
it
happens,
the
in
the
community
that
the
structure
is
already
there,
but
nobody
can
and
not
nobody
can
question
it
because
in
theory
there
is
no
no
structure,
because
every
everything
is
horizontal.
B
I
B
L
Tyranny
of
structurelessness
yeah.
Okay,
let
me
see
if
I
can
get
these
okay,
who
watches
the
watchers.
I
can
start
with
that.
First,
I,
like
the
what
transparency
is
doing.
I
really
like
what
the
watchers
are
themselves.
You
know
it's
the
who
watches
the
mirror.
Oh
who's,
looking
at
the
mirror,
you
know
like
it
feels
like
transparency
is
just
trying
to
be
a
mirror,
and
I
I
think
that's
the
best
way
to
go.
L
L
L
Okay,
so
everyone
was
saying
three
things
so
I'll,
try
to
also
say
three
things:
whether
that
was
part
of
the
game
or
not
number
one,
at
least
inspired
by
the
tec.
I
would
say
the
culture
of
gratitude
is
awesome.
I
love
it.
I
think
it's,
I
think
it's
a
huge,
like
probably
the
one
of
the
biggest
things
that's
pushing
us
through
making
a
special.
L
I,
like
I,
like
also
what
tam
said
or
a
couple
people
said,
maybe
about
nested.
I
think
one
set
of
two
about
nested,
like
principle:
eight,
the
nested
systems
having
these
working
groups
and
giving
people
agency
to
lead
a
working
group
and
letting
people
float
between
them
as
needed.
But
having
these
like
this,
like
this
group
of
leaders
within
the
system,
has
has
been
really
powerful
and
you
know
I'm
a
big
fan.
This
isn't.
This
is
part
of
what
I'm
bringing
to
the
tec
or
pushing
for
the
tc's
starting
off
small.
L
You
know
in
a
way
in
la
and
and
enclosed,
and
it's
really
hard
because
there's
this
like
radical
inclusivity,
you
know
wanting
desire
and
I
think
that
there
is
there
you,
you
have
to
make
sure
that
you
are
inclusive
but
maybe
not
radically
inclusive,
and
I
I
say
that
as
a
burner,
someone
who,
like
like
exudes
radical
inclusivity,
what
I
found
is:
that's
actually
not
the
when
you're
actually
going
to
start
the
decentralized
network
in
the
decentralized
economy.
L
It's
important
that
you
start
with
people
who
are
value
aligned
and
to
to
and
to
curate
those
like
that
initial
structure
by
making
sure
that
you've
done
a
good
cultural,
build.
You
have
a
mission
of
vision,
values
and
that
there's
like
maybe
everyone
can
get
in,
but
only
some
people
can
be
whales,
kind
of
a
thing,
because
you
really
got
to
be
careful
with
extractive
characters
that
don't
care
about
your
values
and
mission.
L
It's
a
tough
one,
but
and
that's
why
I
would
want
to
give
it
as
advice
and
I'll
pass
it
to
did.
Septimus
go.
K
No
thank
you
for
me,
yeah.
One
of
the
most
important
things
here
in
dc
was
like,
I
feel,
very
warm
since
the
first
time
I
joined
and
that
wants
to
you
to
keep
being
in
there
and
helping
people
and
also
everything,
even
when
we
do
a
small
task
it
instead,
like
people
is
saying
oh
good,
job
and
stuff
like
that,
and
then
you
have
more
courage
to
take
like
harder
tasks
and
and
that's
awesome,
yeah.
K
I
I
think
those
are
the
the
most
true
things
I
feel
at
the
beginning
and
for
who
watch
the
watches.
I
really
like
also
what
tom
and
grief
say,
especially
like
we
all
are
transparent
in
itself
and
and
yeah.
We
we
are
watching
each
other
and
that's
awesome.
K
I
don't
know
who
didn't
go,
man,
maybe
metaverde.
You
can
go.
A
Hey
so
of
course,
it
occurs
to
me
the
doubt
that
can
be
told
it's
not
the
eternal
dao
right
establishing
parameters,
I
think,
is
really
super
important,
like
griff
brought
up
at
a
meeting
last
week
that
about
like
what
token
engineering
commons
is
about
is
about
it's
not
about
saving
the
world.
It's
about
creating
well-formed
tokens,
well-formed
tools
for
people
to
use
for
engineering
tokens,
whereas
you
know
some
other
dows
might
be
more
focused
on
other
things.
A
Establishing
the
parameters
of
what
you're
doing,
I
think,
is
the
most
important
thing,
and
I
I
have
to
agree
with
curating
your
your
core
starting
group
to
select
against
extractive
tactics-
I
guess
and
as
for
watching
the
watchers
like
we
all
know
where
I
stand
on
accountability,
but
I
think
that
keeping
everything
open
like
we
do
in
in
the
dallas
with
which
I'm
involved,
where
everything
is
open
source
and
everything
is
public
and
anyone
can
drop
in
on
a
meeting,
really
really
helps
out
a
lot.
A
A
E
The
watching
the
watcher
thing
and
the
one
the
reason
why
everyone
can
see
that
I
purchased
durgados.heath
on
my
on
my
ethereum.
While
it
is
you
know,
even
though
I
might
be
a
little
uncomfortable
with
it
at
first,
it's
necessary.
Radical
transparency
is
actually
part
of
yoga
and
it's
also
just
part
of
the
reality
of
the
universe.
We're
all
not
divided,
we're
all,
not
separate
entities,
we're
all,
not
separate
individual
people.
E
I
don't
believe
that
I'm
a
person,
I
don't
believe
that
I'm
just
a
part
of
consciousness
experiencing
itself
subjectively,
so
transparency
is
simply
a
part
of
what's
necessary,
to
align
with
the
greater
reality
and
the
radical
inclusivity
that
I've
mentioned
before
you
have
to
include
the
people,
even
who
would
disrupt
your
things
so
that
you
can
figure
out
how
to
not
allow
them
to
disrupt
your
thing,
and
so
in
many
ways
you
know
we
include
the
the
shadow
elements
in
in
thinking
about
things
in
terms
of
yoga,
so
that
we
can
figure
out
the
the
skills
to
set
up
boundaries
and
create
you
know,
values
that
we
need
for
this
time
in
this
place
and
and
our
evolution.
E
So,
that's
why
I
think
who's
watching
the
watcher,
we're
all
watching
the
watcher
and
all
these
new
systems
of
governance
that
we're
here
creating
are
doing
is
just
aligning
with
the
larger
reality
at
hand.
So
that's
all
I'd
say
about
that.
F
Hey
olivia,
I
was
going
to
ask
if
I
could
ask
a
question
real,
quick.
I
was
going
to
solicit
a
specific
piece
of
advice,
maybe
griff
or
santi.
I
can
comment
on
this.
I
know
santi
talked
about
the
early
work
of
the
early
stewards
and
how
they
shaped
the
the
decentralized
community
at
the
beginning,
but
as
a
decentralized
community
founder
at
what
point?
F
C
I
think
it
it
starts.
It
starts
in
the
open,
as
it
is
transparent,
like
we're,
saying
it's
always
available
for
everyone
to
join,
and
I
think
the
I
would
say
in
my
opinion
that
this
turning
point
is
when
you
don't
have
the
capacity
to
pay
attention
in
everything
anymore
and
then
either
you
want
it
or
not.
You
have
to
let
go
because
there's
no
like
it's
humanly
impossible
to
grab
everything,
and
then
you
have
to
trust
the
process
that
everyone
is
doing
their
thing
with
the
agency
that
everyone
is
building
together.
L
L
If,
if
number
goes,
I
would
say
that
the
the
leadership-
and
hopefully
it's
not
just
one
person,
but
the
leadership
really
needs
to
come
in
when
it
when
it
feels
like
the
number
go
up
influence.
The
short-term
gains
is
one
was,
I
think,
there's
one
or
maybe
centi
was
saying
when
that
starts
becoming
a
thing.
L
I
think
it's
one
yeah,
that's
when
the
cpr
gets
destroyed
right
like
that's
when
it
eats
itself,
so
it's
more
about,
like
hopefully
the
leader,
isn't
there
at
the
beginning,
you
know,
or
like
I
mean
it's
hard,
there's
always
leaders
at
the
beginning,
but
then
at
least
with
the
tec,
I'm
common
stack.
You
know
so,
like
sorry,
tec,
don't
look
at
me.
They're
gonna
have
to
figure
it
out
so
hatch
at
least
there
won't
be
a
one
leader,
there'll,
be
all
these
stewards
or
all
leaders
and
yeah.
L
L
People
are
are
in
there
and
that's
what
matters
to
a
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
the
chatter
and
it's
scary,
and
it
doesn't
you
know
so
for
me,
as
long
as
the
mission
and
vision
and
values
is,
is
really
well
positioned
and
understood,
then
you
don't
need
the
the
leader
guy.
A
What
you
said
about
the
number
go
up:
people,
that's
exactly
what
I
was
thinking
about
with
establishing
parameters
when
you
start
out,
because
the
one
hive
is
supposed
to
be
about
building
community
and
reaching
out
and
helping
people
vote.
But
there's
a
lot
of
like
you
know
when
moon
lambo
people
too,
but
on
the
other
hand,
they're
also
contributing
and
it's
finding
a
way
to
get
everybody
contributing
and
trying
to
kind
of
nudge.
A
C
It
will
always
work
for,
hopefully
cool
wow.
That
was
amazing.
Thanks
for
all
the
inputs,
everyone
thanks.
C
And
by
the
way,
santi
did
tell
me
that
he
would
have
to
run,
because
I
think
there
is
a
lawyer
that
just
came
in
the
picture,
so
he
was
very
excited
about
that
and
he
was
gonna,
give
an
update
on
a
proposal
that
is
coming.
I
don't
know
mateo
if
you
wanna
jump
in
here.
J
Yeah
sure
I
was
talking
to
him
yesterday
and
we
are
planning
on
doing
a
proposal
this
week
for
establishing
and
describing
the
parameters
that
needs
to
be
decided
for
the
sorcerer
to
go
live.
Finally,
so
that
proposal
should
be
happening
sooner
than
later
before
the
next
week,
explaining
every
interaction
that
the
source
credit
will
be
taking.
J
So
in
that
proposal
we
are
trying
to
do
it
as
a
quick
and
clear
summary,
so
everyone
can
understand
it
and-
and
we
make
a
boat
after
that,
so
that
source
create
a
implementation,
can
be
like
a
group
decision,
so
it's
not
imposed.
J
So
that's
it.
I
think
that
for
next
week
we
should
have
like
that's
written
down
really
clearly
and
somewhere.
I'm
not
sure.
Where
should
we
make
a
proposal
about
the
a
voting
for
it,
so
the
source
credit
can
go
live.
Finally,.
D
Okay,
I
saw
the
the
source
cred
just
recently.
Actually
I
guess
I
haven't
been
too
involved
in
it,
and
obviously
I
have
a
lot
of
input
for
github.
Should
I
what's
the
best
way
for
me
to
to
give
you
guys
some
feedback
on
what
would
be
the
most
useful
measurements
for
github
versus
the
way
it's
set
up
now,
maybe
not
it's
optimal.
It's
not
quite
optimal.
J
The
the
way
that
is
set
up
at
the
moment
is
the
default
given
by
them
using
their
template.
So
we
didn't
choose
anything
in
there.
It's
just
let's
just
play
around
and
see
how
it
goes.
But
if
you
understand
how
the
the
values
are
mixed
and
and
considered,
if
you
understand
how
the
alpha
relates
to
the
bet
and
all
of
that
stuff,
you
can
make
your
proposal
in
the
same
link
of
the
instance
and
then
download
it.
I
can
teach
you
how
to
do
that.
J
So,
if
you
have
a
proposal,
you
can
see
how
that
that
data
would
change
related
to
the
current
one,
and
then
you
download
that
file
and
give
it
to
me
and
if,
if
we
choose,
for
example,
to
go
like
that,
I
just
have
to
upgrade
the
instance,
but
later
on,
you
can
dm
me
and
I'll
teach
you
how
to
do
it.
If
you
push
this
one.
C
What
if,
whatever
we
make
a
proposal
in
the
advice
process
session
and
then
and
then
tam
can
add
her
comments
and
everyone
can
add
to
what
you
guys
are
requesting
and
then,
after
that,
we
can
move
to
the
to
the
forum
proposal.
Section.
J
Yeah,
the
idea
is
that
in
the
instance,
it's
not
really
clear
for
anyone
to
understand
how
the
numbers
would
would
would
work.
So
the
idea
of
santiago-
and
I
is
to
make
that
more
readable
and
more
okay.
I
can
have
an
opinion
on
this,
not
just
alphabet
betas
and
numbers
coefficients
and
all
that
mathematical
stuff.
D
So
maybe
I'll
just
take
that
on
I'll
set
the
parameters
that
I
think
make
sense
and
then
send
it
to
you
open
an
issue
for
it
and
share
it
with
you
and
santi
in
there.
Something
like
that
sounds
okay,
too.
J
Yeah,
you
can
start
to
do
it
right
now.
The
idea
is
that
everyone
that
has
a
concern
do
it
before
we
set
up
a
live
instance
for
the
real
one,
yeah.
C
Cool
thanks
mateo
for
the
updates
and
next
I'll
pass
to
jake
for
the
forum
updates.
I
finished
some
proposal.
Template
updates
today
and
jake
worked
a
lot
on
them
too,
and
yeah
I'll
just
pass.
Who
you
take.
I
All
right,
can
you
guys
see
my
screen?
Yeah,
okay,
I
hope
so
all
right.
So
this
is
always
probably
you
know.
The
form
is
going
to
be
a
time,
but
we've
cleaned
up
a
lot
and
I'm
going
to
go
in
here
to
work
in
groups.
So
this
also
falls
in
line
with
transparency.
I
We
need
the
specific
working
group
leads
to
come
in
and
actually
clarify
better
on
what
their
individual
working
groups
are.
So
when
I,
when
I
posted
this,
this
was
to
help
give
new
people
specifically
a
a
much
more
cleaner
understanding
of
what
we're
doing,
just
in
general,
with
the
tech,
and
you
know
that
way.
I
But
a
much
more,
you
know
a
more
clear
understanding
of
what
the
group
is
for
and
what
they
can
do
to
help
more
specifically-
and
I
would
I'd
really
appreciate
that
all
the
working
group
leads
do
this
and
also
we
would
like
to
I'm
gonna
also
set
up
in
here,
a
sub
category
for
feedback
for
people
that
come
in
and
have
something
about
the
working
group,
whether
they
have
questions
or
concerns
or
whatever,
and
then
they
can
go
in
there
to
your
specific
working
group
with
your
subcategory
and
they
can
leave
that
there.
I
So
if
you
have
an
interest
in
the
working
group
and
questions
instead
of
us
filling
this
up,
you
know
everything
will
be
directed
and
then
we
can
have
feedback
and
then
that's
also
something
that
zep
and
ivy
can
draw
from
too
I
mean,
and
then
we
can,
you
know,
keep
us
keep
the
individual
working
groups
on
task
with
the
community.
I
You
know
if
there's
a
specific,
if,
if,
if
someone's
working,
for
instance,
tech
parameters
turn
into
a
thread
of
concerns
about
the
voting
methods
that
we're
doing
with
token
log,
for
instance,
you
know-
and
I'm
not
I'm
not
answering
summer-
it's
becoming
this
or
that
you
know
there's
something
there
for
people
that
actually
can
see
and
can
audit
and
can
get
after
me
about
it.
I
think,
personally,
I
think
that's
a
great
idea.
I
That's
certainly
open
up
to
you
know
a
conversation,
but
I
think
it's
cool
and
then
it
helps
with
the
whole
overall
transparency
of
the
tec.
I
I
don't
really
have
anything
else
right
now.
Olivia
was.
K
C
Great
thanks,
jake
yeah.
Next
in
the
agenda,
we
have
the
mutual
accountability
criteria
so
last
week
I
think
most
of
you
were
here.
We
talked
about
mutual
accountability
methods
and
juan
and
zactimus
decided
to
work
on
what
would
be
a
criteria
that
we
could
have
as
a
base
for
mutual
accountability
practices.
C
G
Hey
and
everyone,
the
idea
that-
and
I
was
talking
about-
is
that
they
are
creating
this
audit
criteria
for
the
working
groups
for
the
transparency
of
the
working
groups
and
that
maybe
it
would
be
also
good
to
have
that
criteria
associated
to
a
bigger
framework
that
can
be
used
also
for
for
down
to
down
relations.
G
So
this
weekend,
I
I
read
this
the
medium
article
conceptual
mothers
for
for
down-to-down
relations,
and
I
find
it
really
interesting
because
it
talks
about
how
like,
if
we
consider
each
dao
as
an
entity.
We
can
also
kind
of
have
like
these
international
relationships
between
between
taos
and
that
can
help
us
to
like
measure
and
understand
the
the
different
relation,
the
different
dials
and
organizations,
and
to
like
have
some
kind
of
correct
criteria
on
the
on
them
to
to
be
able
to
work
together.
G
So
there
are
these
five
like
variables
that
are
transaction
cost,
information,
availability,
sovereignty,
trust
level
and
rigidity
that
we
want
to
dig
deeper
into,
so
that
maybe
this
audit
that
we
are
that
sep
is
planning,
can
have
like
a
take
on
these
five
points
that
can
also
be
expressed
or
to
or
to
help
in
in,
to
communicate.
In
this
framework.
C
K
Were
reading
that
article,
I
also
posted
on
softcup
the
article
that
ruben
shared
on.
I
don't
know
in
what
chat.
Maybe
it
is
chat
which
is
I'm
looking
at
softcup.
K
Like
this,
what
one
was
saying:
a
transaction
caused
info
one
more,
the
info
via
abilities,
sovereignty,
trust
level
and
rigidity,
and
we
were
trying
to
implement
those
on
the
on
the
criteria.
Checklist,
for
example,
the
manifesto
it's
info
availability
roadmap
as
well,
then
contributors
is
trust
level
decision
making
as
sovereignty
impact
our
sisters
level,
and
we
then
find
any
for
rigidity,
and
maybe
we
could
do
our
own
and
another
round.
But
if
someone
has
some
inputs
on
that
that
we
could
add,
that'd
be
interesting.
G
I
I
was
thinking
about
that
and
I
think
that
rigidity
is
good
until
until
certain
point,
because
otherwise,
if
it's
it's
too
rigid,
then
it's
a
little
bit
fragile
and,
as
we
were
talking
like
the
week
before,
that
system
should
be
adaptative.
G
So
I
don't
know
how
long
like
rigidity
is
a
contrary
of
adaptative.
G
I
don't
know
until
that
point,
and
it
would
be
really
good
to
keep
like
studying
from
from
this
criteria
like
how
are
they
measuring
this
because
in
in
in
the
chart
that
showed
they
quantify
from
zero
to
one
on
this
criteria?
G
But
it
would
be
interesting
to
know
how
are
they
quantifying
so
that
we
can
also
have
our
own
like
measurements
in
this
in
this,
in
the
same.
G
And
in
narniasm,
it
says,
ranging
from
adaptative
to
immutable,
refers
to
the
level
of
flexibility
of
a
doubt
to
react
and
adapt
to
the
occurrences
within
the
system
that
might
require
a
change
to
the
system.
Rules
such
as
a
dao
protocol
upgrade
it
reflects
the
level
of
active
democracy
and
represents
the
strength
of
the
feedback
loop
of
how
much
an
individual
agent
can
actually
shape.
The
co
steering
of
the
system
systems
can
exhibit
strong.
Democracies
have
have
a
strong,
a
to
eye
feedback
loop.
G
G
I
am
not
so
good
in
that,
so
I
will
just
like
show
what
it
says
I
I
was
reading.
I
I
don't
like.
L
I
don't
want
to
interrupt.
I
was
just
really
curious.
G
I
will
face
the
the
whole
the
whole
paragraph
in
the
soft
channel.
G
I
think
so.
I
think
sorry
that
we
we
should
be
rigid
for
some
things,
but
also
adaptative,
and
that
should
be
like
our
the
scope
of
our
of
our
organization,
because
we
should
be
adaptative
to
people
trying
to
comment
on
something
and
to
influence
on
the
on
the
collective.
G
But
we
should
also
have
rigid
some
kind
of
core
rules,
as
we
are
working
in
the
code
of
conduct
and
the
params,
and
and
these
like
things,
that
would
be
our
boundaries
of
of
behavior.
So
it
would
be
like
also
adaptative
and
and
rigid.
G
C
K
Yeah,
that's
a
that's
awesome.
I
really
like
the
the
what
juan
said
like
when
we
try
to
make
rigid
things
like
an
uncirculated,
what
we,
what
grief
say
at
the
beginning,
like
the
values
and
that
that
should
be
rigid,
and
I
mean
not
not
not
not
adaptative,
so
I
mean
we
should
be
following
those
values
all
the
time.
Otherwise
we
would
be
doing
another
thing,
but
not
this
yeah
and
then
on
the
other
side
like
the
relation
should
be
more
adaptative
and
I
think
we
are
kind
of
adaptive.
I
really
like
that.
E
I
have
a
question
about
this:
it's
fairly
meaningful
and
what
I've
been
thinking
about
and
wanted
to
ask
in
this
forum-
and
it
seems
related
to
this
so
at
the
point
where
we.
So,
if
we're
talking
about
ostrom
at
the
point
where
the
local
conditions
meet
the
the
need,
for
let's
say
a
regional
sort
of
structural
handoff
right
and
then
at
the
point
where
the
regional
handoff
kind
of
becomes
like
a
national
handoff
into
the
point
where
the
national
handoff
becomes
like
a
world
sort
of
thing.
E
Each
of
those
points
seems
to
be
talked
about
with
respect
to
teleps
anti-fragile.
E
But
when
you
flip
that
around-
and
you
take
a
look
at
people
like
steve
bannon,
who
are
using
anti-fragile
to
see
that,
in
fact,
those
interaction
points-
and
that
could
be
an
interaction
point
from
dow
to
dao
as
well-
that
because
those
things
are
almost
like
a
single
points
of
failure
in
if
you're
looking
at
it
from
a
system,
design
sort
of
standpoint,
they
can
be
targeted
and
disrupted
and
and
interfered
with,
so
that
you
can
effectively
exclude
the
the
feedback
from
the
the
the
local
and
the
regional
and
the
national
into
these
larger
contexts
of
conversation.
E
What
I'm
interested
in
is
what
is
it
that
we,
as
dows
and
inter
dao
organizations,
are
doing
to
ensure
that
those
things
are
not
single
points
of
failure
and
can
be
exploited
in
the
way
that
people
like
bannon
and
tuleb
would,
for
example,
use
them.
But-
and
similarly
I
asked
sean
when
he
was
giving
his
presentation
about
sort
of
bitcoin
and
ethereum.
E
What
is
it
we're
actually
doing
to
prevent
an
open
system
from
becoming
a
very
proprietary
system,
as
happened,
for
example,
with
the
world
wide
web
and
with
the
internet
itself?
When
all
the
lines
were
bought
up
by
huge
multinational
corporations,
so
for
me
the
the
what
I've
noticed
is
that
the
this
kind
of
a
corporatized
orange
mentality,
with
its
extreme
emphasis
on
strategy,
can
use
the
thing
which
is
set
up
to
be
sort
of
anti-fragile
and
flexible.
E
E
And
it
would
be
interesting
to
hear
folks
in
in
this
space
talk
to
a
little
bit
about
what
we're
doing.
To
sort
of
address.
That
fundamental
structural.
E
G
I
think
that
this
is
very
related
to
something
that
I
was
reading,
also
in
the
in
the
last
chapter
of
the
book
club
that
we
are
going
right
now.
That
is,
that
we
use
calculations
based
on
one
variable.
That
is
like
the
economic
variable,
and
we
exploit
too
much
this
calculation
over
one
variable
and
we
should
have
like
more
variables
taken
into
consideration
and.
E
And
if
you
look
at
that
structure,
then
it
would
mean
that
there's
also
eight
different
ways
that
I
can
adapt
to
an
interruption
with
any
given
flow
of
wealth
across
any
one
of
those
eight
things
too.
So
it
would
actually
in
many
ways
create
a
kind
of
redundancy
in
the
system.
If
I'm
thinking
about
things
in
terms
of
a
broader
definition
of
what
it
means
to
be
wealthy
or
grateful
or
interoperable
or
any
number
of
other
things.