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B
Laura
shin,
the
podcast
of
untrained,
she
wrote
a
book
talking
about
the
dow
and
they
exposed
the
hacker.
B
Somebody
that
was
heavily
involved,
wow
kind
of
almost
close
to
griff.
I
guess.
B
B
B
No,
no!
It's
just
a
it's
a
it's
a
good
article
on
in
forbes,
but
looking
looking
interested
to
read
the
book
too,
so
we'll
see.
F
The
question
for
today
I
I
had
this
conversation
in
the
past
week
and
I
think
it's
relevant
for
the
pamphlets
and
all
this
stuff,
which
is
about
governance,
how
you
bring
awareness
and
engage
about
governance
like
it's.
Everyone
who
participates
in
a
dao
meant
to
participate
in
governance,
or
that's
something
that
should
be
optional
like.
How
will
you
bring
awareness
about
governance?
F
On
my
case
I
will
start-
and
I
at
the
beginning,
when
this
question
was
thought,
I'd
initially
believe
that
not
everyone
should
participate
in
governance,
but
at
the
same
time
everyone
should
be
aware
that
it
exists
the
governance,
a
government
system
or
governance
model
or
the
governance
participation
scheme,
and
the
awareness
should
be
brought
out
from
the
very
moment.
Someone
enters
the
space
and
facilitated
the
tools
to
know
that
they
exist.
So
that
was
my
answer
to
to
that
question.
F
When
I
wrote
it
up
how
about
unite,
how
you,
what
do
you
think
about
governance
awareness,
and
do
you
think
everyone
should
be
involved
or
not.
B
Yeah,
it's
a
it's
a
really
great
question.
I
think
governance
is
one
of
those
broad
terms.
That
means
a
lot
of
different
things
to
a
lot
of
different
people,
and
so
I
think
we
have
to
be
very
particular
about
like
how
we
define
governance
and
part
of
it
you've
addressed,
which
is
education,
understanding
the
tools
that
we
have
the
responsibility
and
obligations.
We
have
as
token
holders
to
manage
this,
this
organization
and
the
resources
that
we
have
and
then
you
know,
I
think,
a
lot
of
I.
B
I
always
go
back
and
forth
on
that.
I
do
with
the
the
idea
that
not
everybody
should
be
participating
in
governments,
but
I
I
I
want
people
to
participate
in
governance
all
the
time,
and
one
of
the
big
things
that
we
have
to
take
into
consideration
is
that
participation
in
governance
and
in
terms
of
like
making
decisions
and
actively
voting
on
proposals
and
things
of
that
nature
is
creating
traditions.
You
know
creating
these
voting
rhythms.
You
know
we.
B
We
all
have
our
typical
voting
rhythms
that
we
have
within
our
municipal
governments,
or
you
know,
every
two
to
four
years.
We
go
to
the
voting
booth,
we
vote
and
we
all
do
it
at
the
same
time,
and
so,
like
those
voting.
Rhythms,
have
encouraged
us
to
follow
this
type
of
pattern
and
participation,
and
so
I
think
that
creating
good
rhythms
and
good
traditions
around
voting
is
very
vital
to
good
governance
practices
and
having
a
high
voter
turnout.
B
And
so
those
are.
The
things
that
I
would
like
us
to
see
us
focus
on
is
creating
these
traditions
and
rhythms
within
voting
so
that
we
can
have
higher
turnouts
and
more
engagement
within
the
community
but
yeah.
So
it's
one
of
those
things
and
in
terms
of
governance,
as
like
decision
making
on
a
local
level
like
I
I
I
don't
think
all
things
need
to
be
voted
on.
I
really
don't.
G
Hey
guys,
yeah,
I
basically
agree
with
everything
that
was
said.
I
think
the
kind
of
most
important
aspect
is
definitely
just
education,
providing
people
with
the
information
that
they
need
in
order
to
make
informed
decisions
and
to
vote
in
a
way
that
is
effective
and
efficient,
and
then
whether
or
not
they
want
to.
I,
I
don't
know
that
I
mean,
I
think
that
we
want
them
to.
G
You
know
want
to
do
it,
but
I
don't
know
that
forcing
people
that
otherwise
wouldn't
be
comfortable
or
well
suited
for
governance
is
kind
of
the
move,
but
I'm
all
on
all
fronts
like
absolutely
pro
education.
For
that
I
also
definitely
agree
with
the
the
fact
that,
like
not,
everything
needs
to
be
voted
on.
G
I
think
like
if
there's
an
unresolvable
disagreeance
that,
for
whatever
reason,
just
can't
be,
you
know
figured
out
with
like
perhaps
a
mediator,
or
just
you
know,
bargaining
or
whatever,
then
it
perhaps
it
needs
to
be
escalated
to
a
vote
system,
but
otherwise,
I
think
you
know
voting
should
be
saved
for
like
larger,
more
structural
changes,
as
opposed
to
just
like
what
things
that
can
basically
be
handled
individually.
G
H
Hey
guys,
so
I'm
just
reading
you
the
question:
how
you
bring
awareness,
encourage
by
governance
right.
H
Okay,
well,
based
on
my
experience,
I
think,
has
to
be
to
what
has
to
be
has
to
do
with
how
hard
it
is
to
understand
how
things
work
when
you're
new,
at
least
for
me,
that's
that
like
it
up
until
now,
it's
it's
for
me.
It's
not
still
clear
enough.
H
What
is
like,
like
the
process,
where
does
it
starts
where
the
proposals
get
created
by
who
do
you
bounce
off
any
thoughts
with
like
before
any
proposal
gets
created
in
that,
and
I
think
that
is
part
of
of
of
the
difficulty
of
being
like
just
being
aware
of
that
that
is
going
on.
You
know
I
I
I
still
until
now
being
like
two
months,
just
looking
around
and
hearing
everything
to
me,
it's
still
not
perfectly
clear
how
the
process
is
and
yeah.
H
I
definitely
think
that
that,
for
example,
in
terms
of
boating,
it
seems
to
me
that
it's
easier
to
vote
on
like
general,
more
like
strategic
things
and
then
more
like
the
tactic
or
the
day-to-day
basis
things
I.
I
don't
think
those
should
be
voted
because
if
you
already
agreed
on
like
the
strategy,
if
whatever
you're
doing,
is
aligned
with
that,
I
don't
think
there's
a
need
to
just
slow
it
down
through
a
process
of
voting.
H
And
yeah,
I
don't
know
who
has
not
participated
yet
yeah,
maybe
you
can
pass
it
on
to
the
next
person.
Thank
you.
I
I
And
especially,
if
we're
saying
that,
like
we
don't
want
everything
to
be
a
vote,
I
think
we
can
get
by
and
it's
it's
much
more
efficient
if
we're
kind
of
utilizing
these
non-um
non-vote
processes,
like
that,
you
know
the
the
advice
process
and
things
like
that,
but
I
think
really
the
key
to
making
that
work
is
making
sure
that
members
are
engaged
and
educated
and
engaged,
because
I
think.
I
When
they're
not-
and
we
don't
have
that
engagement
and
we
are
kind
of
away
from
voting
in
our
processes,
that
opens
things
up
to
kind
of
just
centralization
to
a
couple
people's
opinions.
But
it's
really
just
like
based
on
default,
because
people
aren't
engaged,
I
kind
of
have
a
pretty
u.s
centric
view
of
government.
But
I
kind
of
see
that,
as
like
one
of
the
problems
here
is
that
we
have
become
disengaged
in
our
own
governance
and
we've
kind
of
like
dealt
just
kind
of
delegated
that
to
someone
else.
And
that's
not.
I
You
know
something
that,
aside
from
voting
in
big
elections,
a
lot
of
people
have
time
to
engage
with.
So
I
will
pass
to.
J
Weird
things:
well,
I
think
I
don't
know
it's
like.
I
think
it's
a
bit
tricky,
because
we
also
have
to
have
in
mind
that
tc
is
probably
like.
I
guess
it's
meant
to
be
complex
and
probably
not
for
everybody,
or
at
least
not
for
for
people.
That's
that's
sort
of
starting
off,
but
that
being
said,
each
community
has
sort
of
its
passes
for
boarding.
Some
communities
are
like
you
go
like
some
communities
doesn't
have
like
a
rigid
process
for
for
any
kind
of
governance.
J
You
just
post
the
the
proposal
and
it
either
passes
or
not,
and
what
I
feel
like
it's
the
tc
is
trying
to
push
for
the
advice
process
that,
as
far
as
I
know,
is
kind
of
the
way
we
want
to
people
to
to
reach
consensus
on
ideas,
reversal,
etc,
and
I
think
that's
what
what
probably
should
be
the
is.
J
I
don't
know
to
which
to
what
extent
is
against
the
work
of
tc
to
educate
up
from
the
most
basic
principles
of
governance,
but
if
the
tc
wants
governance
done
a
certain
way,
you
know
you
need
to
have
you
need
to.
Let
know
all
the
people
involved.
What
is
the
way
that
we
want
to
to
have
that
process
and
also,
I
think
governance
is
going
to
also
sort
of
mature
or
change
as
time
goes
because
pretty
much
everyone
who's
here.
J
I
think
it's
kind
of
working
for
the
tc
in
one
way
or
another
or
contributing
or
whatever,
but
as
the
dtc
grows,
the
community
will
change,
which
will
also
change
like
right
now
pretty
much.
Everyone
knows
how
to
how
to
work
on
tec,
because
we
are
already
contributing.
We
are
on
the
loop.
J
We
know
what's
happening
and
what's
not,
but
what's
going
to
happen
when
we
reach
the
level
where
we
have
less
consistent
contributors,
for
example,
that
may
not
be
up
to
date
on
everything
and
yeah,
pretty
much
pretty
much
that
I
think
I'll
pass
it
on
to.
J
K
Thank
you,
auntie
yeah,
I
don't
know,
maybe
maybe
my
view
will
be
a
little
bit
different.
I
think
if,
as
far
as
the
community
definitely
needs
to
be
informed,
if
people
feel
like
the
community
is
not
informed
that
maybe
certain
things
should
be
written
in
a
way
or
a
manner
that
is
not
saying
elementary
level,
but
a
level
that
everybody
can
understand.
I
know
it's
kind
of
difficult
to
gauge.
F
K
Okay,
like
I
said
I,
I've
got
a
lot
to
talk
about
on
governance
and
my
personal
views
on
it,
because
I
see
there's
a
lot
there.
There
are
a
lot
of
communities
that
discount
the
members
of
their
communities
because
there
are
particular
working
groups
or
people
who
are
in
power
or
in
a
leadership
position
or
in
an
influential
position
and
community
members
are
discounted.
K
I'm
not
saying
it's
this
community,
I'm
just
saying
in
general,
so
anyway
I'll
leave
that
up
to
the
soft
gov
group
I
mean
I
just
popped
in
to
see
what
was
happening
today,
so
I
will
pass
it
to.
L
No
thank
you,
radio
edu.
Can
you
show
me
the
two
questions
again,
please?
Okay,
the
first
one,
I
believe
the
allegation
that
everyone
is
talking
about
is
the
solution
and
the
other
one.
Well,
I
don't
know
too
much
about
governance.
L
I'm
kind
of
new
in
this
environment
probably
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
that
not
everyone
have
to
has
a
vote
because
well,
there
is
some
interest
on
the
community
and
maybe
if
some
persons
are
not
involved
with
the
community
and
vote,
I
can
disturb
all
the
intention
of
the
all
of
the
decisions
we
we
made
in
the
past
and
that's
it
I'll
pass
it
to
wanka.
A
Thanks,
mario
yeah,
I
think
this
question
is
very
interesting.
I
think
like
we
should
to
talk
about
more,
even
more
about
governance.
We
should
be
open
to
talk
about
constraints,
conflicts
and
mistakes.
A
I
feel
like
mistakes
are
really
great
learning
opportunities,
and
one
thing
that
I
feel
about
governance
is
that,
even
though
that
we
are
talking
about
the
relevance
of
of
the
human
aspects
of
governance
in
these
technological
systems,
there's
still
a
strong
technical
deviation
towards
programming
and
towards
undervaluing
social
sciences.
A
So
I
think
it's
really
important
to
to
allow
new
voices
and
new
fields
to
to
a
new
areas
of
knowledge
to
be
impactful
in
in
in
in
our
system
of
ideas,
because
that's
the
only
way
that
we
can
understand
and
recognize
our
own
biases.
A
I
think
and
related
to
the
to
the
news
of
the
dao.
I
think
that
we
should
be
prepared
for
these
black
swan
events,
where
the
thing
that
we
didn't
expect
to
happen
happened,
and
we
should
try
our
that
our
systems
are
capable
of
integrating
that
black
swan
event
and
turning
it
into
a
positive
situation.
A
Like
still
continuing
to
talk
about
that
say
same
example,
I
think
like
if
the
tao
wouldn't
have
been
hacked
and
if
it
would
have
worked
fine,
maybe
today
the
technical
deviation
will
be
even
bigger,
so
those
mistakes
are
are
things
that
we
can
learn
and
from
which
we
can
be
strong
stronger,
like.
I
also
think,
like
that
hack
now
led
to
more
security
procedures
led
to
to
actually
talking
formally
about
token
engineering,
so
so
yeah.
A
I
think
that
we
we
should
take
and
talk
more
about
the
complexity
of
these
systems
and
not
only
about
the
the
the
the
design
that
can
be
done
on
paper,
because
sometimes
what
the
paper
can
sustain
everything
and
even
simulations,
so
so
we
we
should
embrace
more
the
complexity
and
talk
more
about
about
about
it.
Yeah.
I
think
I
think
it's.
It's
really
important
to
continue
talking
about
governance
and
I'll
pass
to
durgadez.
E
Yeah,
so
I
think,
from
my
perspective,
I've
I've
kind
of
evolved.
My
idea
about
the
gravity
group.
It
seems
to
me
that
things
like
the
gravity
group,
that's
great
and
those
terms
principles
are
great.
I
love
love
the
fact
that
that's
true,
although
I
will
say,
there's
entirely
too
much
politeness
here
as
I've
kind
of
under
started
to
understand
by
participating
some
other
groups.
Folks,
like
tyson
young
kapoor,
for
example,
you
know
when
he
talks
about
bringing
you.
E
Wisdom
into
these
other
areas
and
his
book
science
talk,
you
know
it's
it's
one
of
the
the
scariest
things
for
natives
to
participate
in
is
groups
colonized
groups,
because
it's
just
all
entirely
too
polite,
we're
all
entirely
too
polite.
There's
just
not
nearly
enough
conflict
to
be
healthy.
E
You
know,
so
that's
what
their
perspective
is
and-
and
I
feel
like
the
the
uniformity
of
our
in
our
politeness-
is
in
in
many
ways
a
way
that
the
thing
that
prevents
us
from
actively
and
constructively
and
flexibly
participating
in
conflict
that
would
then
produce
a
system
that
is
more
resilient
and
more
flexible
and
more,
and
then
it
would
be
less
of
governance,
as
it
would
be
of
a
kind
of
homeostasis
that
we
arrive
at
through
this
kind
of
creative
disagreement.
E
You
know
so
yeah,
so
I've
just
you
know.
I
think
I've
come
out
the
other
other
side
of
of
my
recent
conflicts,
realizing
that
I
think
some
of
this
you
know
comes
about
as
a
result
of
that,
and
I've
been
looking
at
different
ways
in
which
this
can
happen.
E
You
know
this
stuff
can
happen,
and
I
I
just
think
that
you
know
that's
also
a
way
to
get
rid
of
some
of
the
bystander
effects
that
I
went
through
and
experienced,
and
I
think
other
people
are
experiencing
too
so
yeah
there's
a
kind
of
a
suppression
by
default
that
we
don't
even
recognize
within
ourselves
that
we
need
to
maybe
think
about
so
yeah.
E
F
Something
can
I
do.
Can
I
ask
you
to
do
that
as
an
example,
that
will
you
exemplify
with
because
there's
a
folks
here
that
maybe
are
new
to
this.
F
Exemplify
a
little
bit,
about
example,
of
politeness
of
unnecessary
politeness
that
we
could
filter
out
from
our
processes.
I
E
Recent
conflict,
where
certain
people
knew
about
what
was
going
on
with
me
and
and
and
they
just
chose
not
to
say
anything
because
either
they
thought
that
it
was.
You
know
you
know
just
being
handled
somewhere
else
or
there
was
just
this
kind
of
you
know
what
I've
noticed
is
if
you
read
books
about
like
why
it's
so
difficult
to
talk
to
white
people
about
race
or
things
like
this.
E
The
overriding
thing
is:
there's
a
kind
of
suffocating
politeness
which
exists
in
this
situation
and
and
I'm
just
suggesting
that
that
is
kind
of
the
the
social
vernacular
of
colonized
systems,
and
I'm
suggesting
that
you
know,
perhaps,
if
we're
going
to
decolonize
ourselves,
what
we
need
is
a
little
bit
more
generative
conflict
and
does
that
help.
E
Well,
if
you're
not
saying
something,
because
you
you
feel
somehow
that
there
is
a
social,
what
do
you
want
to
say,
sort
of
barrier
or
problem?
You
know
with
that?
You
know
autistic
people
call
it
masking.
E
You
know
it's
just
another
another
term
for
kind
of
suppressing
your
authentic
self,
because
you
know
the
the
every
dow
that
I
go
into
has
a
different
kind
of
social
vernacular
and,
and
what
I'm
suggesting
is,
is
that
what
vernacular
are
we
enforcing
in
our
dao
and
I'm
hoping
that
people
will
perhaps
join
other
dows
and
see
that
that
vernacular
actually
shifts
you
know
across
things?
E
So
if
you
join
40
acres
now,
for
example,
there's
a
very
diverse,
basically
it's
there
for
black
people
right
and
so
the
idea
there
is
that
you,
but
the
moment
that
I
show
up
in
any
of
those
spaces
they
code
switch
and
change.
To
me,
do
you
know
what
I
mean
and
it's
like
that's
the
thing
I
don't
want
them
to
have
to
do,
but
yet
they
do
that
reflexively
because
that's
being
enforced
upon
them
by
their
life
experience
and
what
I'm
suggesting
is
that
all
spaces
have
a
kind
of
enforced
for
social.
E
You
know
a
code
that
you
have
to
switch
into
and
it
would
be
nice
if
that
code
was
less
rigid
and
and
so
on.
So
I
hope
that,
as
an
example
might
help
to
clarify
some
of
what
I'm
talking
about.
E
So
I'm
I'm
basically
suggesting
that
we,
because
even
the
word
like
governance
right,
we're
talking
about
government
governance,
governance,
everyone
who
hears
that
here's
a
top-down
externally
mandated
you
know,
extrinsic
reward
thing
right.
The
word
governance
means
that,
because
we
all
come
from
these
centralized
systems,
so
even
evolving
the
term
governance
to
use
something
else,
that's
more
flexible,
more
decentralized
and
less
fraught
with
a
a
built-in
linguistic
bias.
You
know
could
help
to
perhaps
make
us
more
into
this
flexible
system
that
I'm
thinking
of.
F
I
really
like
the
concept
of
rather
than
having
governance
decision
making.
I
I
for
me
that
was
kind
of
a
nice
replacement
for
government.
F
And
thinking
on
decision
making,
as
a
replacement
for
that
now,
I
will
pass
it
on
to
section.
J
Before
you
for
that,
I'd
like
to
add
something
I'd
like
to
go
back
to
mario's
comment,
I
kind
of
stay
up
like
like.
I
was
thinking
about
it.
He
says
he's
probably
wrong
about
what
he
said,
but
I
think
he's
he's
got
a
really
good
point.
I
don't
think
well,
I
think
everyone
should
have
a
bullet,
but
I
don't
think
everyone
should
be
involved
in
everything.
J
I
think
we
are
really
used
to
how
we
you
should
like
we
got
used
to
how
struck
like
conventional
structures
work
where
they
are
vertical
and
you
have
people
on
top
and
people
on
top,
and
I
think
when
we
are
trying
to
be
on
top
of
each
proposal,
you
are
trying
to
reproduce
that
that
that
structure
for
your
own,
because
then
you're
like
on
the
top
of
this
community,
overseeing
everything
that
happens
when
actually
the
goal,
for
example,
for
platforms
like
guardians
and
I
think
the
the
some
of
the
goals
of
conviction
voting
itself.
J
You
distribute
a
community
in
a
way
where
one
extreme
doesn't
have
don't
have
to
know
what
the
other
thing
things,
and
so
maybe
it's
not
as
important.
Now,
because
we
are
small,
we
don't
have
get.
I
think,
like
a
super
wide
community
over
the
internet,
but
I
think
it's
also
important
that
we
have
that
in
mind.
When
making
any
decision,
you
have
to
have
the
boat,
but
you
should
feel
free
and
and
not
necessarily
encouraged
to
vote
on.
C
Yeah
actually,
like
my
thoughts,
are
kinda
like
with
ratios
and
for
me,
like
you
know,
advice
process
is
great,
but
you
know
like
sometimes
like
you
know,
making
a
post
in
the
forum
boss
and
saying
his
advice
process
doesn't
have
to
be
like.
I
don't
think
it
was
sent.
He
was
saying,
like
people
need
to
be
educated
on
the
topic,
it's
important,
but
also
people.
You
know
people
need
to
like.
Sometimes
people
is
just
not
checking
the
forums,
so
that
means
they.
C
They
are
not
aware,
so
they
are
not
giving
their
input
even
if
they
are
affected
in
that
decision,
so
yeah
sometimes
like
they
still
need
you
know.
Sometimes
it
feels
like
the
vote,
give
more
legitimacy
to
the
decision,
especially
like
if
it's
affecting
other
people
and
then
but
then
you
know,
and
then,
if
you
have
a
success
advice
process
with
the
people
who's
affected,
like
they
engage
the
scenario
I
see
like
for
ending
up
in
a
boat.
It's
like
you
know
like.
C
I
have
an
idea
and
I
want
to
propose
something
and
then
someone
who's
affected
like
he
thinks
differently
and
he
would
not
like
it
to
happen
and
then
you
still
want
it
to
happen.
So
you
make
a
vote
and
then
it's
up
to
the
community
regarding
our
governance
parameters
to
decide
like
either.
If
we
push
it
or
not,
yeah
those
are
my
shots.
I
don't
know
how
to
pass
it.
Probably
I
was
the
last
one
I
have
activated.
H
Oh
sorry,
sorry,
I
just
wanted
to
add
something.
I
said:
okay,.
F
H
Okay,
cool
thanks
like,
for
example,
I
just
have
this
like
like
thought
like,
and
it
it's
related
with
what
everyone
has
said
also,
but
this
is
just
like
a
a
thought
just
to
think
about.
You
know
it's
it's
just
like
a
mental
exercise
like
if
I,
if
I
decided
to
go
to
the
forum
and
read
the
posts
and
just
just
go
around
and
question
why
everything
is
being
done.
H
H
I
B
Advice
process
is
designed,
for
you
know
if
you're
going
through
the
advice
process
and
you
post
on
the
forum,
anybody
who
engages
in
that
the
the
the
intent
behind
that
forum
post
originally
is
to
get
information.
It's
it's
for
signaling
purposes.
So
if
you
question
it,
if
you
have
questions,
if
you
want
to
critique
it,
so
all
those
pieces
of
information
that
you're
giving
out
are
going
to
be
taken
into
consideration
by
the
person
who
posted
that
forum
post
and
who
is
going
through
the
intent
of
the
advice
process
and,
and
so
like.
B
Please
like.
If
please
engage
that's
the
key
is
we're
just
trying
to
get
information
from
the
community
and,
if
anything,
obvious
or
something
that
you
missed
or
something
that
you
glanced
over
or
looked
over,
could
be
found
out
and
we
we
avoid
a
potential
risk
by
just
communicating,
and
so
I
think
those
activities
are
really
important.
But
I
wanted
to
add
one
more
thing
to
this.
B
In
that
you
know,
full
participation
doesn't
necessarily
guarantee
optimal
outcomes
for
decisions
that
we
have
and
we
need
to
keep
that
in
into
consideration,
because
what
I
would
like
to
see
is
that
you
know
things
like
source
credit
are
kind
of
the
you
know
a
potential
solution
for
this
problem,
but,
like
experts,
you
know
we
want
to.
B
We
want
to
have
the
people
who
are
in
the
know,
who
understand
the
problem
that
you're
trying
to
solve,
having
more
weight
and
and
and
value
associated
with
that
particular
decision,
and
so
what
we,
the
advice
process,
does
this
off
chain.
But
we
would
like
to
try
to
do
that
on
chain
and
so,
like
it'd,
be
really
neat
to
see
something
like
source
cred,
be
like
hey.
B
You
know:
dergados
you're
wonka,
you
guys
are
experts
in
conflict
resolution
and,
if
I'm,
if
I'm
doing
something
that
is,
involves
some
type
of
conflict,
I
want
to
hear
your
voices.
I
think
your
voices
should
have
more
weight
than
some.
B
You
know
you
know
person
who
just
bought
tokens
the
other
day
and
we
don't
have
a
way
to
actually
do
that
yet,
and
so,
just
just
by
participating
doesn't
guarantee
optimal
outcomes
and
that's
what
I
want
to
stress
here
and
that
we
we
have
to
really
find
the
people
who
are
experts
in
these
certain
particular
fields
that
are
associated
with
the
problem
that
you're
trying
to
solve
and
and
get
their
input
as
as
quickly
as
possible.
B
C
C
I
don't
know
in
spain
because
blah
blah
blah
no
like,
but
then
I
I
really
think,
like
you
know
the
skin
in
the
game's
matter,
and
you
know
the
like,
even
if
someone
is
an
expert
and
and
knows
more
than
you
like
it's
your
decision
like
you
know,
like
probably
there's
a
million
people
that
know
how
to
manage
money
more
than
myself,
but
you
know
my
own
money.
I
just
want
to
manage
it
myself,
because
it's
mine
right
and
then.
B
I
I
don't
disagree
with
you.
I
think
you're
right.
I
think
that
you
know
this
is,
but
this
is
why
we
need
to
educate
better
on
the
advice
process
and
the
roles
that
we
have,
because
the
rules
that
we
have
are
the
the
stewards,
the
subject
matter,
experts
and
contributors,
the
the
stewards
at
the
end
of
the
day,
see
the
see
a
bigger
picture
because
we're
involved
in
a
lot
more.
We
understand
a
lot
more
something
that
subject
matter.
B
Instructure
is
designed
to
solve,
but
if
we
don't
don't
apply
it
the
correct
way-
and
we
don't
have
a
good
understanding
and
educate
new
members
on
this
process
and
these
roles,
then
then
it's
completely
broken
process.
So
I
just
I
just
want
to
say
that
you
know
education
like
most
everybody
has
talked
about
so
far,
is
very,
very
vital.
F
Oh,
thank
you
nate,
just
briefly
before
the
community.
Regarding
what
gustavo
answered
I
think
mentioned.
I
think
this
is
a
very
good
example
of
the
excessive
qualifiedness
that
regardless
mentioned,
and
I
I
will
put
on
the
screen
something
that
happened
today.
It's
of
course,
if
you
go
to
the
softgov
working
group
forum
post,
for
example,
you
will
see
that
the
this
post
on
the
forum
hasn't
been
updated
since,
like
probably
two
years
ago,
and
it
doesn't
have
the
link
to
the
agenda.
F
So
I
was
basically
looking
for
the
agenda
and
well
it
is
here,
but
it's
it's
austral
principles.
I
mean
it's
agenda,
so
if
you
were
not
excessively
polite,
as
maybe
durga's
input
mentioned,
you
will
have
provided
this
feedback.
You
know-
or
I
would
myself
write
this
figure,
but
I
myself
skipped
that
and
decided
to
just
agenda
on
the
calendar.
So
it's
this
kind
of
things
that
I
think
part
of
our
cultural
layer
could
be
improved.
So
people
don't
feel
this
is
a
kind
of
a
wall
that
stop
them
from
doing
something.
E
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
say
that
the
politeness
thing
kind
of
leads
to
people
giving
away
their
autonomy
and
their
agency,
and
I'm
just
trying
to
remind
everybody
on
this,
call
that
that
power.
When
we
talk
about
power
dynamics
and
the
fact
that
I
brought
up,
you
know
certain
conflicts
and
I'm
publicly
airing
those
and
all
the
people
who
are
involved.
The
reason
why
I'm
doing
that
is
because
somebody
said
to
me
that
I
was
speaking
truth
to
power
and
I
was
like
well.
E
It
was
under
the
impression
that
there
was
nobody
that
was
more
powerful
than
another
person
in
a
decentralized
autonomous
organization
right.
So
the
whole
point
is
to
actually
reclaim
our
agency
on
autonomy
and
and.
I
E
F
Centi
and
then
you
pass
it
on
to
a
stream
nerd
who
will
be
next
after
you
go.
J
Okay
sure
I
just
wanted
to
comment
on
what
nathan
said
timo
said.
I
think
both
I
think,
like
the
phrasing
on
the
education
around
what
we
put
out
to
the
to
the
communities
is
very
important
as
well
like
it's
called.
I
mean
in
I'm
just
guessing
right
now,
but
it's
advice
process.
J
It
doesn't
mean
you
have
to
take
what
they
said
for
for
granted,
for
example,
and
so
maybe
you
see
the
the
the
advice
process
image
and
it
looks
like
a
really
rigid
way
to
operate
inside
the
community,
and
perhaps
it
could
be
shown
in
a
way
that
reflects
that.
It's
not
it's
not
as
rigid,
because
I
think
we
re
when,
when
things
are,
when
things
like
that,
when
decision
making
procedures
become
rigid,
we
risk
ending
up
asap
technocracy.
I
think
and
and
appreciate
experts
on
on
every
matter.
J
But
you
know
communities,
don't
don't
always
make
sense
and
that's
how
we
have
discovered
a
lot
of
things
across
time.
E
E
Yeah-
and
that's
also,
you
know-
to
incorporate
things
like
liberating
structures,
not
just
to
go
around
being
a
jerk
to
people
but
having
liberating
structures,
and
you
know
that
kind
of
I'm,
I'm
all
the
time
asked
this
about
spiritual
principles.
Right
you
talk
to
somebody
about
patanjali's,
you
know
yoga
sutras
or
whatever
and
they'll
be
like.
Well,
that's
a
commandment!
You
know!
Well,
it's
not
a
commandment,
it's
just
the
observation
of
of
the
natural
unfolding
of
a
person
in
their
spiritual
growth.
F
F
If
you
are
there
a
streamer,
a
streamer,
I
cannot
hear
you.
You
are
muted.
M
Go
oh
just
listening.
It's
great
and
inspired
me
so
far
was
creating
some
form,
if
not
like
a
survey,
and
the
first
page
express
yourself
from
charles
wright
with
like
a
type
form
with
the
video.
Also
in
the
first
page,
wouldn't
be
better
yeah.
Glad
learning
a
lot
with
you
have
a
nice
days
and
now
it's
there
y'all.
F
Thank
you
so
much
pass
it
on
to
gaian.
D
Hey
thanks.
I
do
some
really
interesting
discussions
here.
Appreciating
everyone's
perspective,
I
think
my
I
think
I
agree
with
what
everyone
says.
Even
the
apparently
divergent
perspectives
not
to
sound
overly
polite
durgados
when
I
say
that
but
yeah
I
see
that
I
should
see
the
truth
and
what
everyone's
saying
and
I
see
there's
a
lot
of
really
common
threads.
D
I
think,
from
my
background,
studying
sociocracy
and
seeing
the
value
of
that
in
organizations.
I
don't
know
if
for
people
who
aren't
familiar
with
that,
definitely
recommend
checking
it
out,
there's
a
great
website,
I'll
post
sociocracy
for
all
in
the
links.
D
It's
got
some
really
good
resources
and
it's
on
governance
like
pre-blockchain,
you
know
how
to
make
a
flat
organization
so
to
speak,
how
to
lateralize
power.
That
sort
of
thing,
and
one
of
the
big
things
from
that
that
I
think
is
applicable
here-
is
this
idea
that
the
people
who
are
really
going
to
be
affected
by
the
decision
are
the
ones
who
should
be
making
it
and
the
people
that
are
most
involved.
D
You
know
hands-on
and
doing
it
are
yeah
the
primary
decision
makers,
because
that's
you
know
that's
where
the
intelligence
is,
and
so
then
it
takes
the
discernment
to
know
okay.
Well,
you
know
who
is
this
going
to
affect?
Who
do
we
need
to
consult
around
this
decision?
D
Because
if
it
doesn't
affect
you,
it
can
feel
like
a
burden
to
be
asked
to
decide.
But
if
it
does
affect
you,
then
it
can
feel
like
a
insult
or
like
an
inconsideration
to
not
be
consulted,
and
so
I
think
it's
having
the
wisdom
and
discernment
to
know
that
and
recognize
it
and
be
able
to
get
these
questions
out
to
the
right
people
and
of
course,
as
people
have
stated,
also
the
education.
D
That's
involved
with
that
so
yeah,
that's
my
two
cents
to
add
to
all
the
great
wisdom
I
hear
flowing
around
thanks,
everyone.
F
N
Well,
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
word.
Actually,
a
lot
of
have
been
said
so
for
sure
education
is
important.
I
will
I
like
the
contribution
of
ducadas,
saying
speaking
about
politeness
and
to
be
unpolite
and
for
sure
it
is.
It
is
a
point
I
think
people
to
be
unpolite
have
to
be
to
to
feel
self-confident.
N
Also,
and
that's
not
always
the
case,
so
maybe
reinforce
going
to
reinforce
people
and
create
a
security,
let's
say
context
where
people
can
be
unpolite
and
that
is
fine
without
being
how
to
say
rude
in
a
way.
So
so
yeah,
that's
that's
my
contribution,
I
would
say
I
will
add
some
working
on
the
context
to
feel
so.
People
can
feel
free
to
be
unpolite.
I
Yeah,
I
think
what
acid
kelvin
was
saying
fits
in
leads
in
nicely.
I
I
just
had
something
to
add
to
the
impolite
thing
it's
also.
I
think
there
may
be
an
element
of
like
self-doubt
too,
like
just
like,
where
something
is
or
just
like.
Raising
that
question
like,
for
example,
where
does
does
everyone
on
this
call?
Have
access
to
this,
this
soft
gov
weekly
agenda
and
like,
if
you
wanted
it
like?
Why
didn't
you
like
ask
and
part
of
that,
may
be
like?
I
Well,
you
know
it
might
be
somewhere
that
I
just
haven't,
found
it
and
I'm
like
I'm
missing
it.
I
feel
like
this
is
something
I
do
sometimes,
so
I'm
just
like
putting
that
out
there
that
if
you
do
have
those
questions
just
go
ahead
and
ask
because
it
highlights
something
or
could
possibly
highlight
something
like.
I
Oh
we're,
not
we're
not
putting
this
somewhere
where
it's
widely
accessible
to
everyone.
You
know,
so
that's
just
something
I
wanted
to
add.
F
Thank
you
bench
does
everyone?
Does
anyone
wants
to
comment
something
else
based
on
what
was
spoken,
I
will
come
down
to
zero.
A
Yes,
yeah,
I
want
to
say
two
things.
The
first
one
is
that,
after
this
call,
we
will
be
having
a
practice
group
on
liberating
structures
with
lena
and
jeremy,
so
it
it's
it's
very
connected
to
what
we
have
been
talking
about
about,
having
structures
that
can
sustain
agency
and
facilitating
communication.
So
yeah
everyone
invited,
and
the
other
that
I
wanted
to
say,
is
that
yeah.
A
I
agree
that
sometimes
we
think
that
all
conflict
is
negative
and
that
all
conflict,
and-
and
we
tend
to
to
suppress
conflict
like
but
but
there's
al
also
generative
and
creative
conflict,
and
also
that
the
energy
and
the
signal
that
is
behind
each
of
our
interpretations
should
is
something
that
that
can
be
added
and
something
that
can
be
very
nurturing
to
the
system,
so
so
yeah.
A
I
agree
with
with
losing
our
fear,
maybe
to
to
voice
our
our
thinkings
and
yeah
to
to
to
really
act
with
the
wordings
that
that
we
say
like
if
we
are
saying
that
we
don't
want
hierarchical
systems
and
that
we
we
promote
that
everyone
is
equal.
We
we
also
you
know
in
our
behavior,
should
should
shouldn't
feel
that
we
need
the
support
or
the
or
or
the
acceptance
from
other
to
do
what
we
think
it's.
A
It's
also
to
have
some
kind
of
of
of
to
be
a
little
bit
rebel,
and
this
is
a
very
rebel
space.
So
so
it's
like
being
rebel
in
a
rebel
space.
B
And
while
we're
on
the
subject,
I
just
want
to
say
I
posted
tec
source
in
the
stewards
channel.
This
is
for
all
documents,
including
all
agenda
documents
and
if
you're
in
a
working
group
and
you're
working
on
a
document
and
it's
not
on
the
tec
source
page,
please
make
a
pull
request
and
I
will
merge
it
immediately.
F
All
right,
the
other
thing
I
wanna,
I
wanna
ask
openly
who
here
you
can
just
unmute
yourself
as
a
showing
off.
You
are
one
of
these
persons
who
here
doesn't
know
about
the
tec
governance
process
or
the
tec
advice
process.
Just
me
yourself,
and
I
will
count
you
in
as
someone
who
doesn't
know
about
it.
F
F
Here
is
a
graphic
that
explains
a
little
bit
of
the
of
the
actual
governance
process
that
we
have
at
the
moment
regard
regarding
advice
process,
what
it
works
for,
what
other
governance
systems
do
we
have
implemented
and
these
different
spaces
that
this
governance
are
used
for.
F
We
have
snapshot,
we
have
token
log,
we
have
the
gardens
and
then
this
this
could
be
maybe
too
complex,
so
it
needs
to
be
explained
throughly,
but
in
general
terms
we
have
divided
the
process
that
everything
in
here
in
the
ec
starts
with
advice
process
and
from
that
point
on,
based
on
the
advice
and
the
on
the
consensus,
then
we
translate
that
into
a
conviction,
voting
or
a
trial
voting,
and
then
we
decide
which
platform
fits
that
vote,
and
each
of
them
are
specific
for
something.
For
example,
conviction
voting
are
for
funding.
F
Tau
voting
is
for
the
changing
of
the
parameters
of
of
the
commons
and
so
on.
So
the
idea
is
that
we
can
all
understand
this,
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
lines
of
everyone's
feedback
is
education
aspect
and
thinking
that
we
are
about
10
to
12
people
here
and
five
or
six
of
us
doesn't
know
about
this
process,
and
it
speaks
about
something
that
needs
to
be
changed
within
the
same
working
group.
F
So
if
you
all
agree
and
look
forward
for
next
tuesday,
we
will
probably
have
a
call
explaining
this
process
truly,
so
you
can
ask
questions
about
it
and
have
an
understanding
fully
of
how
the
tec
governance
works.
Does
anyone
have
something
else?
You
would
like
to
comment
on
five?
Yes,.
E
I
just
want.
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
we
also
need
to
just
be
careful
in
the
way
that
we're
doing
our
voting,
that
we
try
not
to
omnibus
things
where
possible.
So
that's
just
my
other
caution.
So,
in
addition
to
all
these
other
things,
if
we're
going
to
spread
this
out
and
let
more
people
get
access
and
not
be
polite,
you
know
yeah
just
making
sure
we
don't.
We
don't
lump
too
many
disparate
things
together
when
we're
voting.
So
thank
you.
F
Thank
you,
dude
does
someone
else
have
something
else.
You
would
like
to
comment
on
or
something
you
would
like
to
know
about.
I
will
come
down
to
zero
five.
Four,
three,
two
one
all
right!
Thank
you,
everyone
for
joining
here
today.
It
was
quite
a
very
interesting
conversation.
The
follow
up
of
this
conversation
will
be
a
next
session
next
tuesday
about
the
governance
model,
the
tvc,
probably
the
third,
the
first
30
minutes
of
the
call
and
then
levy
will
take
on
the
rest
of
the
30
minutes.
F
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
contributions.
The
working
groups.
Agendas
are
on
top
of
the
of
every
working
group
text
channel
in
case
you
want
to
look
for
them.
They
are
in
the
description
of
the
working
group
in
every
text
channel.
So,
looking
forward
to
see
you
all,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
collaboration
and
your
words
have
a
lovely
tuesday.