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A
There
was
there's
something
that
she
kept
mentioning
in
the
in
the
book.
That
is
the
fear
that
people
have
of
being
a
sucker
like
of
of
being
like.
Oh
every
everyone
disobeyed
the
rules,
but
you
you
follow
the
rules,
you're
a
sucker,
so
I
wanted
to
ask
something
around
these
lines,
but
I
don't
know
how
to
structure
the
question
of
like.
Is
there
any
situation
that
you
were
the
sucker,
that
everybody
was
disobeying
the
rules
and
you're
like
they're,
strong
in
your
belief.
B
B
C
Hello
thanks
wow
no
rules
for
me
are
like
it.
They
might
must
be
followed,
but
I
don't
think
I
it
puts
me
so
angry
when
somebody
is
not
following
the
rules
and
it
affects
others
but
yeah.
I
don't
know
like
it
mostly
happens
on
video
games.
So
it's
like
not
real
data,
but
I
don't
know.
I
just
feel
that
when
somebody
is
not
following
the
rules,
it
points
me
inside
because
it's
it
is
affecting
others,
and
I
don't
know
yeah,
that's
what
I
can
say
and
I'll.
D
I
think
that
I
I
have
I
do
but
like
sometimes
I
just
I
feel
like
some
rules
are
so
nonsensical,
like
they
they're
just
rules
to
be
rules
and,
of
course,
like
I've
lived
for
12
years
in
france,
so
it
is
a
country
that's
designed,
like
has
rules
designed
for
everything,
and
it's
some
of
them
are
so
ridiculous
that
if
you
follow
them,
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
actually
live
your
life.
D
So
I
would
say
I
try
to
use
my
own
intuition
and
common
sense
and
decide
what
rules
I
will
follow
and
what
rules?
I
don't
and
I
would
say,
like
a
strong
moral
compass,
to
avoid
what
zeptimus
is
saying
like
hurting
other
people,
but
I
would
say
I
if
I
think
a
rule
makes
sense.
I
will
you
know,
adhere
to
that
rule,
but
if
I
think
it
is
arbitrary
or
it's
it's
not,
you
know
it's
not
logical.
D
E
Well,
I
think
I
I
would
place
myself
between
mateo
and
tamara
because,
as
mateo
said
here
in
colombia,
like
rules
only
apply
to
certain
people
and
there
is
or
other
people
that
can
like
pass
through
rules
and
there's
al
also.
A
common
saying
here
that
that
is
like
rules
are
meant
to
be
broken,
so
yeah,
it's
like
in.
In
that
sense,
I
am
not
really
like
happy
about
some
rules
and
some
social
agreements.
E
We
historically
have
made
us
as
humans
as
a
as
a
humanity,
but
also
I
would
place
within
the
side
of
tamara
that
I
have
like
a
moral
compass.
That
is
my
my
inner
conviction.
That
is
what
tells
me
what
is
really
right
and
what
is
wrong
so
maybe
like,
if
there's
a
guard
in
in
the
door
of
a
building
and
he's
just
telling
me
you
are
not
going
to
pass,
and
there
is
something
that
caused
me
to
go
into
that
building.
I
would
do
like.
E
I
would
try
to
to
pass
over
that
guard
because
that's
why
my
moral
conviction
is
telling
me,
and
but
also
when
there
are
things
that
I
agree,
that
those
are
like
really
solid
boundaries
for
for
me
and
my
behavior,
and
I
will
pass
the
question
to
santi.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
gone.
F
G
Otherwise,
I
can
take
it.
One
of
the
challenges
I
have
in
my
life
is
irreverence.
It's
like
a
a
constant
battle
for
me,
and
so
I
have
to
when
there's
a
rule.
My
instinct
is
to
break
it,
doesn't
matter
the
origin
of
the
rule.
Unfortunately,
that's
why
it's
a
challenge
that
I
have
to
have
awareness
in
my
life
with,
but
I
really
believe
that
most
rules
should
be
made
very
by
people
who
can
change
them
right,
like
sorry,
but
the
people.
G
G
H
I
don't
know
man,
it's
a
tricky
question
for
me.
Yeah,
I
don't
know.
I
had
a
difficulties
with
this
relationship
through
my
life
with
rules
I
was
born
in
venezuela.
H
My
family
are,
I
mean
three
generations
back.
We
are
all
political
exiles
and
there's
been
a
struggle
through
through
my
family's
history
in
many
ways
and
as
I
grew
up,
I
I
grew
up
in
europe
a
little
bit
and
it
was
kind
of
violent
anarchist
to
a
degree.
I
remember
like
yeah.
I
remember
in
barcelona
learning
at
I
don't
know,
13
years
old,
how
to
make
bombs
and
poison
and
whatnot
and
coming
back
to
venezuela
goings
against
the
government.
H
You
know
in
europe
we
used
to
have
these
parties
like
they
were
breakout
parties
like
you
know.
We
just
found
a
building
that
was
going
to
be
demolished
and-
and
you
just
give
people
like
big
hammers
and
you
bend
your
anger
on
the
walls
and
whatnot
that
are
marked,
because
you
know
you
cannot
just
throw
everything
away
with.
I
grew
up
very,
very
violent
at
some
point
and
I
had
to
go
through
a
lot
of
processes
to
take
that
anger
away
from
me,
and
that
was
difficult.
H
It's
been
fun,
it
was.
It
had
some
very,
very
dramatic
moments
that
I
know
going
into,
but
otherwise
like
right
now
I,
like
the
fun
part
I
still
like
I,
you
know
what
is
justice.
That
is
a
good
question
because
down
here
in
venezuela,
you
really
don't
have
like
rules
rules.
You
don't
have
a
government
that
you
can
follow
like
leaders
that
you
respect
so
just
at
least
having
the
the
compass
of
you
know.
H
This
is
for
this
is
this
is
for
all
of
us
like,
like
taking
actions
that
take
us
towards
a
triumph
for
all
of
mankind.
They,
the
history
of
humanity,
forward,
that's
something
that
drives
me
and
this
whole
idea
of
the
noble
sale
leash.
You
know,
nobility
of
lies,
and
those
kinds
of
things
like
in
all
regards
every
action
must
be
like
finding
those
degrees
yeah.
I
guess
like.
H
I
Yeah
so,
and
then
thanks
for
sharing
so
then
okay
then
go
back.
Also
I
come
from
or
I
was
born
in
turkey
and
I
went
came
to
germany
at
the
age
of
10.,
and
you
know
turkey
is
more
like
you
know,
rules
whose
rules,
and
mostly
you
adhere
to
the
rules
of
your
family,
anything
that
goes
beyond
outside
your
building
outside
your
city,
the
less
binding.
It
is
right
so,
and
these
are
really
world
views.
Anyways
don't
go
in
there,
but
in
germany
it's
the
exact
opposite,
like
you
start
from.
I
First
the
streets
need
to
be
cleaned
up,
and
then
you
go
back
and
clean
at
your
home
and
it's
the
exact
opposite,
but
these
are
so
clear
rules
in
germany
that
it
was
perfect
for
me
growing
up
and
I
actually
met
a
friend
at
the
university
from
turkey.
We
were
in
the
elementary
school
together
and
she
listened
to
me
and
she's
like
after
half
a
day
we
spent
two
years
like
you
know
what
it's
good,
that
you're
not
in
turkey,
they
would
eat
you
alive.
I
So,
in
a
sense,
I
think
it's
super
important
to
have
clear
rules.
I
Things
also
become
transactional
if
they're
just
rules
and
you
just
adhere
to
them
and
then
you
know
there
needs
to
be
a
balance,
and
I
think
we're
at
the
stage
where
we
know
the
complexity
of
the
systems
we
are
entangled
in
are
not
that
we
could
come
up
with
the
perfect
rule,
sets
be
it
10
or
2,
or
be
the
nobel
prize
winning
one
and
really
need
a
method
with
which
every
one
of
us
can
check.
I
Is
this
consistent
to
my
values-
and
this
is
still
consistent
to
this
group's
values,
and
if
I
see
inconsistency,
how
can
I
speak
about
this
without
having
you
know
having
something
that
I
put
myself
out
there
or
did
I,
you
know
brought
this
harmony
to
this,
so
I
think
we
coming
up
with
such
a
method.
That
would
be
simple
and
you
know
easy
to
get
into.
I
I
I
don't
think
so
so
yeah,
but
exactly
so
it's
it's
super
cool
to
be
in
this
group,
together
with
so
many
different
experiences
and
still
having
met
each
other.
Now
means
like
we
are
seeing
direction
right
could
would
be
cool
to
come
up
with
a
simple,
clear,
purposeful
rule.
J
So
I
usually
follow
the
rules.
I
I
don't.
I
don't
like
travel,
I
am
very
quiet,
so,
yes,
I've
done
a
few
things
that
break
the
rules.
For
example,
I
had
a
fake
id
when
I
was
16,
but
for
going
to
discuss
and
also
I
brought
weed
from
canada
to
the
us,
but
because
I
didn't
know
I
had
it
in
my
bag,
so
I
didn't
realize,
but
other
than
that
I
I
am
very
quiet
and
I
I
follow
the
rules.
I
don't
make
big
trouble.
A
Left,
I
think
I'm
the
only
one
left.
Does
anybody
else
didn't
go
jess?
Are
you
are
you?
Can
you
speak
no.
K
Yeah,
I
it's
a
really
interesting
question
because
and
it's
interesting
to
hear
anybody's
feet
everybody's
feedback
because
they
kind
of
touched
on
a
lot
of
different
points.
I
guess
I've
always
had
a
kind
of
anti-authoritarian
thing,
as
I
think
a
lot
of
us
have
in
this
space
and
like
hanging
out
with
anarchists
and
but
I
think,
what
anarchy
or
like
there's
so
many
angles
to
it.
So
I
think
part
of
it
is
really
it
comes
down
to
responsibility
and
I
had
a
certain
view.
My
whole
life
and
feeling
like
oh.
D
K
Up
in
the
states,
I
felt
like
very
much
in
a
police
state
and
had
this
like
whole
thing
against
certain
rules,
and
I
went
through
this
program
with
sad
guru
actually
called
inter
engineering
and
there's
a
whole
thing
all
about
this,
and
you
you
go
through
this
process
of
saying,
like
these
rules,
are
my
rules
like
whatever
space
you're
in
it's?
It's
about
like
responsibility,
is
a
factor
locality
as
kind
of
santi
said.
K
You
know
the
more
local
that
the
rules
are
the
more
likely
you
are
to
say
yes
and
follow
them,
because
it's
impacting
your
community
and
they're
there
for
a
reason
and
also
choice.
I
would
say
the
third
thing
is
like
choice:
do
I
have
a
choice?
Can
I
like
griff
was
saying:
can
I
change
the
rules
because
it's
very
hard
like
when
somebody
imposes
their
rules
on
you
and
you
had
no
say
versus
you
did
have
a
say
and
you
chose
whether
or
not
to
participate.
K
So
I
think
if
you're
gonna
break
it
down,
I
would
put
it
like
that
and
yeah.
I
think
also
there's
like
a
resistance
factor
like
from
a
spiritual
side
of
like
when
you
are
resisting
reality
as
it
is
it
like,
creates
a
suffering
like
you're
in
a
specific
space
or
you
you
have
opted
in
I
fly
like
I
go
and
fly
on
a
plane.
I
have
to
wear
a
mask.
K
K
I'm
doing
this
to
protect
others,
even
if
I
don't
agree
or
whatever
I'm
not
saying
I
don't
agree,
but
just
as
an
example
and
currently
with
like
a
lot
of
this
crazy
code,
stuff
people
not
wanting
to
wear
mask
it's
like,
but
yeah,
so
those
I
would
say,
responsibility,
choice,
locality
and
then
the
rules
being
imposed
like
internal
versus
external
and
then
like
the
factor
of
resistance.
A
I
think
for
me,
it's
interesting
to
hear
the
the
latin
american
crew
speaking,
because
I
think
it
does
influence
a
lot
on
on
this
perspective.
For
for
rules
in
brazil,
we
have
a
saying
that
is
the
the
brazilian.
It's
like
this
little
sneaky
way
that
you
act
that
only
brazilians
know
how
to
act,
and
I
feel
like
this
was
so
embedded
in
the
culture
that
only
recently
like
very
recently.
This
started
to
be
a
conversation
that
people
were
like.
Oh,
maybe
it's
not
cool
to
have
the
jt
brazilian
you
know
like.
A
Maybe
this
is
contributing
to
the
macro
culture
of
corruption,
and
it's
like
in
each
one
of
us
to
take
this
responsibility
and
see
what
are
the
corruptive
acts
we've
been
taking
like
in
every
little
situation,
because
we
were
because
that
seemed
cool,
because
that
was
like
a
rebellious
way
of
being
that
everyone
took
like
a
national
pride
on
almost
and
yeah.
I
agree
with
a
lot
that
has
been
said
and
I
think
for
me.
A
So
I
think
I've
been
looking
a
lot
into
that
lately
as
well,
and
I
think
those
were
really
good
points
that
you
that
you
brought
jess
of
this
like
all
of
these
different
instances
and
what
santi
said
as
well
of
like
local
versus
like
either.
If
you
have
a
choice
around
that
rule
or
not
so,
hopefully,
we
are
building
this
culture
that
we
do
have
a
choice
around
the
rules
that
we're
making
thanks
everyone
for
this
very
insightful
and
vulnerable
answers.
A
A
I
think
we're
in
this
moment
that
it's
really
important
to
look
more
into
this
relationship
and
in
the
token
engineering
community
and
their
needs
as
well
as
because
we,
we
grew
kind
of
a
an
extension
of
the
token
engineering
community.
With
the
token
engineering
commons
and
and
now
it's
good
to
look
into
this
relationship
and
into
the
token
engineering
community
and
see
how
we
can
support
each
other
and
eventually
become
one.
I
So
I
think,
ever
since
the
beginning,
everyone
is
like
how
many
token
engineers
are
out
there
or
who
are
token
engineers
and
every
time
we
try
to
define
it.
We
like
say:
okay,
this
is
transdisciplinary.
People
come
with
different
backgrounds
and
we
flip
this
cryptoeconomics
flower
out
there.
It
basically
captures
every
academic,
but
we're
not
even
just
academics
right.
I
That's
one
big
interesting
question
that
we
had
ever
since
the
beginning
right
who
are
these
people
and
are
we
a
community
or
what
is?
How
are
we
going
to
come
together?
We
had
this
token
engineering,
global
gathering,
etc.
So
there
is
a
community
for
sure
and
it
likes
to
exchange
with
each
other,
but
only
at
certain
events.
I
Let's
put
it
like
that
right
and
I
believe
we
are
now
the
place
really
where
there
is
interesting
exchanges
coming
out
and
people
are.
You
know
hanging
out
to
talk
about
their
token
engineering
problems,
which
is
something
that
you
know
signals
community
right
of
token
engineers
like
asking
for
really
help
with
their
implementations
and
not
just
technical
help
and
basically
the
whole
working
group,
zero
started
in
the
very
beginning,
saying:
okay,
these
are
the
things
we
know
they
aren't
hundred
percent
like
the
tools
we
have,
how
we
build
community.
I
It's
a
big
question:
it's
a
big,
really
big
question:
how
to
be
community
first
in
your
token
network,
and
that
of
course
also
applies
to
us.
It's
now.
I
don't
know
three
months
right
and
it's
still
working
progress.
It's
like
some
subject
matter.
Experts
are
identified
some
areas,
but
through
zargam
we
met
kelsey,
very
briefly,
who
is
an
ethnographer
or
she
says
of
herself
as
an
ethnographer
and
decentralized
digital
infrastructure.
I
So
her
background
is
political,
social
sciences
and
she
patiently
works
with
computer
engineers,
translator
writer
and
she
currently
makes
her
phd
or
masters
in
this
topic
or
in
this
area,
and
that's
where
the
basically
the
the
idea
came.
So
this
is
the
most
important
to
all
of
us.
I
guess
to
really
have
a
sound
community
of
token
engineers
who,
when
they
have
you,
know
all
the
access
to
all
financial
or
r
d
resources
they
would
ever
wish
for.
How
do
they
come
together
and
build
something
great,
and
what
will
that
be?
I
How
will
they
interact
with
each
other?
What
are
they
needs?
What
do
they
care
about
that?
We
have
this
type
of
survey,
maybe
and
yeah,
and
I
guess
that
would
be
something
interesting
for
soft
golf.
You
know
how
to
actually
that
the
proposals
and
the
token
engineers
and
the
funders
of
those
come
together
for
the
onboarding,
potentially
right
and
also
for
anything
that
we
are
actually
planning
or
offering
with
respect
to
education
and
so
on,
to
actually
figure
out.
I
What
are
the
needs
of
this
fresh
young
community
that
is
coming
together,
then
that.
I
I
I
It's
an
amazing
r
d
opportunity
to
find
a
method
that
works
for
such
a
diverse
group
actually
come
up
with
their
sets
of
answers
and
then
those
answers
in
check
for
themselves,
but
also
for
the
community
and
that's
basically
what
fabian
brought
in
and
also
recently
dug
us
regis.
I
don't
know
if
you
some
of
you
met
them.
I
guess
and
also
regis
comes
with
a
framework
model
that
actually
has
the
same
roots
as
fabian's
framework.
So
that's
why
I
think
it's
a
pattern
that
we
can
make
use
of.
I
So
that
would
be
something
where
I
said
you
know
we
can
do
this
as
an
as
a
parallel
project
or
kick
started
or
exchange
with
the
projects
that
are
apparently
heavily
thinking
of
community
building.
I
A
Yeah,
I
think
it
would
be
really
cool
to
do
this
research,
perhaps
starting
with
a
survey
like
you
suggested.
Do
you
think
this
is
a
good
first
step.
A
I
So
I
like
that,
and
basically
that
would
just
mean
we
ask
kelsey,
what's
what
she
thinks
about
it
and
whether
she
can
come
up
with
questions
and
basically
pass
those
questions
around.
That
would
be
it
and
and
then
try
and
reach
every
potential
token
engineer.
We
came
across
to
actually
do
this
survey.
That
would
be
it.
A
Yay
amazing
that
sounds
exciting.
Does
anybody
has
any
comments
around
this
questions
or.
I
Sorry,
one
question:
how
much
of
the
soft
carve
goes
to
onboarding
or
what
is
the
current
connection
there?
Just
for
me
as
a
foothold.
A
So
softgov
is
mostly
implementing
ostrom's
eight
principles
and
they
are
a
bit
broad
in
other
topics.
So,
for
example,
gravity
came
out
from
this
working
group
and
then
the
onboarding
working
group
started
with
this
conversation
with
angela
in
the
soft
gov,
but
then
eventually
became
its
own
group,
because
it
has
a
very.
A
Thank
you,
yeah,
thanks
for
coming
and
for
sharing
more
of
of
what
you've
been
thinking
around
that,
I
think
it's
gonna
be
really
cool
to
see
the
progress
there,
and
so
today
we're
talking
about
mutual
accountability
and
before
we
go
there.
I
just
want
to
see
if
matteo
has
any
updates
from
source
cred
and
if
there's
something
you
need
our
help
on.
B
Yeah
precisely
last
night,
I
updated
the
the
instance
with
the
aliases
of
every
identity
of
us
merging
to
one,
because
there
was
a
mess
that
every
id,
let's
say
this
course
discord
and
github
were
showing
up.
So
it
was
cooler
if
we
had
only
one
as
an
alias.
B
So
in
talks
with
santi,
we
decided
that
we
would
remove
this
score
for
now
and
just
focus
on
this
course
on
and
git
and
github.
So
we
can
make
it
more
easy
to
to
analyze
and
make
a
better
destination
on
the
source
grid.
So
that
is
it
and
we
removed
this
cord,
and
I
made
the
aliases
for
everyone
that
I
kind
of
knew
that
they
ids
were
kind
of
the
same
between
the
platforms
and
the
ones
that
filled
up
the
the
excel
formulary,
the
I'm
not
sure
what
is
it
but
yeah.
B
In
that
instance,
let's
say
grief
had
different
versions
of
of
its
name,
but
mostly
in
every
where
his
grief.
So
it's
really.
It
was
really
easy
to
to
like
index
them
into
one.
But
maybe
I
don't
know
someone
has
different
names
between
the
platforms.
B
So
we
have
to
make
sure
that
that
that
excel
is
completely
filled
with
everyone
that
is
active
right
now,
so
I
can
check
one
by
one
that
is
merging
to
one
alias,
I
think
that's
the
trouble
so
far,
but
and
yeah
maybe
check
on
the
weights
and
that
discussion.
I
know
that
santi
is
discussing
that
and
and
thinking
about
that
more
thoroughly.
F
Well,
well,
just
basically
from
the
experience
we've
had
through
one
hive
and
other
communities
we
see
discord
is
is
very
risky.
There's
easily
anyone
can
join.
There's
a
lot
of
parameters,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
you
can
tweak
and,
from
the
same
the
same
token,
most
of
us
are
going
to
be
already
are
joining
the
forum,
and
the
forum
has
several
things.
First,
it's
the
interaction
is
quite
more
measurable.
It's
it's
it's
it's
not
so
bright,
so
so
big.
F
Also
during
the
first
15
days,
you
are
not
your.
Your
contributions
are
measured,
but
you
don't
get
credit.
You
have
to
raise
one
level
and
that
takes
place
15
days
after
you
join
if
you've
been
active,
so
there's
it's
easier
to
to
control
and
we
think
that
using
those
that
input
as
testing
as
an
initial
test,
it's
much
much
better
after
after
we
see
how
you
know
the
figures
are
evolving.
F
We
can
little
by
little
think
if
we
want
to
add
something
from
this
course,
just
one
specific
channel
or
one
specific
type
of
actions
or
and
and
see
the
outcome,
but
but
I'm
a
little,
not
concerned,
but
I
I
want
to
really
go
step
little
by
little,
because
it's
a
source
quest
is
is,
is
wonderful,
but
it's
the
best
and
you
gotta,
you
gotta,
be
careful
with
it,
because
things
can
really
get
mobile
if
you
are
not
really
taking
close
attention
into
it.
So
that's
that's
the
initial
idea.
G
A
Yeah
awesome
work.
I
agree
that
the
the
contributions
in
this
course
and
github
are
so
much
more
like
you
can
hold
it,
and
it
must
be
easier
to
measure
for
sure.
A
A
A
C
G
A
A
So
if
we
have
clear
agreements,
they
also
serve
somehow
as
the
boundaries
end
as
a
premise
for
the
graduated
sanctions
like
a
place
of
like
hey,
we
we
have
disagreements,
it's
it's
a
softer
way
to
talk
about
rules,
but
it's
a
start
to
shape
the
rules
in
this
process
for
revisiting
them.
G
Nice
yeah,
I
was
working
with
juan
a
little
bit
on
the
gravity
road
map,
because
one's
gonna
like
hack,
really
hard
for
the
next
month
on
a
few
things,
and
we
talked
a
lot
about
these
agreements
or
where
there
are
places
that
specific
agreements
will
need
to
be
in
place
or-
and
even
I
I
suggested,
having
like
a
brainstorm
session
around
where
what
where
graduated
sanctions
might
need
to
be
applied.
G
E
Yes,
absolutely
count
on
me
in
this
discussion
and
I
think
it's
it's
really
important
to
to
yeah
update
some
of
all
documents
that
are
really
good,
but
can
be
updated
like
the
code
of
conduct,
eventually
that
that
could
end
up
when
we
like
have
our
principles.
We
can
like
update
with
that
information.
A
Yeah
for
sure
the
kind
of
conduct
is
an
agreement
document
itself,
so
cool
I'll,
add
you
and
zap
to
the.
G
G
If
because
there,
the
other
agreements,
are
you
know
when
you
create
a
proposal?
What
are
the
rules
of
this
proposal?
Being
you
know
like
clearly,
we
cannot
be
fire
bombing
houses
right.
The
conviction
voting
should
not.
You
know
that
that
should
be
against
some
rules.
G
G
A
Nice,
that's
really
cool,
and
I
guess
we
can
talk
more
about
this
in
the
book
club
that
it's
a
very
exciting
session
today,
because
it's
the
chapter
that
talks
about
all
the
agreements-
and
I
mean
about
all
the
the
principles
and
the
one
that
talks
about
legal.
A
I
thought
it
was
interesting
that
mentions
mostly
how
how
to
ensure
that
the
rules
adopted
by
this
group
are
not
going
to
be
defeated
by
external
authorities
so
having
some
type
of
protection
of
our
internal
agreements.
So
there
is
no
room
for
like
a
malicious
actor
to.
A
I
That's
a
super
important
point
and
goes
towards
legitimacy
and
that
consistency
that
I
mentioned
right,
so
you
can
put
up
a
disclaimer
saying,
hey
you
agreed
to
this
and
then,
when
you
join,
you
agree
to
this,
but
literally
you
can't
find
a
lawyer
anywhere
to
actually
take
that
to
to
the
court,
except
if
this
agreement
is
really
consistent
in
itself,
that
it
would
really
uphold
in
any
logical
jurisdiction
right
so,
and
I
think
yeah,
it's
a
it's
a
great
question.
I
If
and
if
you
can
somehow
share
the
results,
I
don't
know
how
we
can
help
support,
but
that's
definitely
a
connection
where
I
see
that
more
or
less
cutting-edge
research
could
be
actually
super
helpful
for
all
of
us
involved.
I
Do
you
want
to
join
us
in
the
session
I
would
love
to,
but
I
cannot
so,
but
if
you
share
any
any
insights
or
any
recording
I'll
make
sure
that,
for
example,
fabian
also
gets
it
and
so
about
this
question
right
legitimacy.
And
how
do
we
get
what
we
agree
upon?
Also
not
be
attackable
by
some.
You
know
jurisdictions,
laws
and
lawyers
and
lawsuits.
G
A
Okay,
great
I'll
I'll,
keep
you
updated,
then,
and-
and
we
were
going
to
start
talking
about
mutual
accountability-
that
I
think
it
has
a
lot
to
do
with
this
conversation,
so
mutual
accountability,
in
the
sense
that,
having
someone
external
to
what
we're
doing
to
enforce
the
agreements
that
we
are
creating,
it's
it's
a
really
bad
idea.
So
how
can
we
promote
the
self-enforcement
and
and
the
monitoring
of
those
rules
by
by
us
by
the
people
that
are
that
are
using
the
system?
A
If,
if
I
have
a
very
relation,
a
very
bad
relationship
with
rules,
it's
probably
going
to
be
hard
for
me
to
ensure
that
someone
else
is
also
like
applying
to
the
rules.
But
then,
if
we
create
them
in
a
way
that
it's
very
inclusive
and
if
we
have
a
very
clear
system
for
how
to
change
them,
that
it's
what
you
mentioned
shabnen
in
the
beginning
in
your
check-in.
I
think
this
would
be
great
and
that's
probably
what
we
need
to
develop.
A
A
simple
method,
a
method
to
check
if
the
rules
are
consistent
to
the
values,
I
thought
that
was
really
insightful
and
something
that
would
probably
help
and
mutual
accountability,
and
when
we
started
to
talk
about
accountability
in
the
mural
board.
Back
in
like
many
sessions
ago.
E
Well,
there
are
actually
two
topics
I
would
like
to
to
refer
in
this
intervention
and
the
the
first
one
would
be
the
gravity
and
then
the
monitoring
proposal,
because
in
the
monitoring
proposals,
blog
post
in
the
forum.
Basically,
it
was
an
an
open
discussion
on
the
possibility
to
retire
proposals
from
the
conviction,
voting
app
and
like
who
can
be
in
charge
of
that
responsibility.
E
But
that
question
then
leads
to
the
gravity
forum
post,
that
the
gravity
group
would
be
the
the
one
that
would
be
accountable
and
responsible
of
taking
that
decisions.
E
So
I
think
this
is
a
really
key
point
for
the
gravity
proposal
and
for
our
conflict
resolution
and
looking
for
legitimacy,
because
what
I
am
initially
proposing-
and
I
would
really
like
to
receive
feedback-
is
to
have
like
an
eight
session
training
of
of
of
conflict
resolution
about
alternative
dispute
mechanisms
about
with
two
like
really
practical
sessions
like,
so
that
we
can
ensure
that
after
the
eight
sessions,
we
have
at
least
a
minimum
like
formation
in
these
topics,
so
that
we
can
have
like
a
group
that
is
legitimate
and,
and
is
the
one
that
would
be
able
to
address
certain
conflicts
in
the
in
the
organization
and
also
to
take
the
the
responsibility
of
the
graduate
sanctions
so
yeah.
E
I
would
really
love
like
the
feedback
on
on
both
documents.
The
gravity
forum
post
still
is
like
being
written.
I
I
want
to
have
like
advisory
before
putting
it
in
the
in
the
forum.
E
But
yeah
the
idea
is
to
start
from
the
11th
january
of
the
next
year
to
the
4th
february
of
the
next
year,
and
we
will
have
like
a
postulation
process
that
will
be
open
from
the
16th
december.
That
is
this
thursday
to
the
6th
of
january,
so
that
this
is
a
very
inclusive
process.
Where,
if
anyone
wants
to
be
a
part
of
the
gravity
group,
they
can
just
put
their
name
in
a
spreadsheet
that
I
have
to
make.
E
Then
I
have
like
study
topics
and
I
would
really
love
also
if
you
can
suggest
or
change
one
of
these
topics
or
if
you
think
that
there's
something
missing,
because
the
idea
is
that
this
course
is
very
transdisciplinary
is
very
inclusive
that
we
don't
only
use
one
theory,
but
that
we
can
contrast
different
theories
and
that
we
can
also
like
help
to
build
our
own
common
language.
A
Thanks
juan
does
anybody
has
ideas
of
what
would
be
an
interesting
system
of
mutual
accountability
or
any
questions
around
this
topic?.
C
I
think
we
could
discuss
what
would
be
the
bad
habits
people
in
the
community
could
have,
and
when
we
know
what
are
the
bad
habits,
we
start
to
build
the
system.
There
is
you
probably
all
read
the
book?
No,
but
the
system
of
like
you
go
to
the.
I
don't
know
how
to
explain
it,
but
when
you
go
to
take
the
water
on
the
book
says,
for
example,
when
I
finish
then,
for
example,
libby
goes
and
live
is
taking
care.
C
I
finish
when
my
time
finished,
because
she
is
interested,
I
finish
fast
because
it's
his
turn
and
that
system
and
if
we
put
all
the
all
the
bad
habits
we
could
have
in
there
and
then
build
a
system
around
that.
I
think
that
would
be
a
great
idea.
B
And
I
also
believe
that,
following
what
we
do
with
in
in
giving,
for
example,
with
brief
as
a
peer
feedback
evaluation
system
would
be
really
cool
for
a
small
interactions
of
what
do
you
think
about
your
partner
or
the
one
that
is
working
besides
you
not
always
you're
working
alone,
but
every
time
you
can
make
feedback
for
yourself
feedback
for
your
pa
for
your
partner
or
the
next
one
and
feedback
for
someone.
You
don't
even
know
just
fight
perception,
so
we
can
make
a
system
of
evaluation
and
feedback
that
can
grow
with
time.
B
But
I
think
accountability
is
not
reliable
on
the
power
that
someone
is
imposing
on
you.
But
how
do
you
feel
about
the
work
that
you
are
doing
and
how
people
see
the
work
that
you
are
doing
is
making
value
or
not,
so
your
level
of
being
held
accountable
is
related
to
yeah.
The
perception
of
the
value
that
you
make
and
evaluation
and
feedback
is
the
best
measure
for
that.
That's
that's
my
input.
E
I
think
that
also
like
the
idea
of
the
type
form
that
gravity
provides
is
to
give
a
safe
space
to
everyone
in
the
community
to
address
some
unwanted
behavior.
They
see-
and
I
think
that's
like
also
a
way
of
mutual
accountability,
that
anyone
can
like
write
privately
any
suggestion
to
the
group
of
experts
that
then
will
try
to
strategically
propose
a
way
to
to
deal
with
the
issue.
So
that's
like
very
connected.
A
Yeah,
I
really
like
the
what
you
said
mateo
to
have
like
a
culture,
because
that
adds
ritual
too,
and
it
also
connects
people
somehow,
if
there
is
this
like
constant
culture
of
feedback,
I
didn't
know
that
happened
on
give
it.
Maybe
you
guys
can
like
facilitate
a
process,
sometimes.
B
G
Yeah,
it's
just
and
we
I
do
it
in
the
common
stack
too
olivia
you
just
not,
but
we
we're
supposed
to
do
a
round
at
the
end
of
december,
but
it's
basically
just
having
an
agreement
like
something
on
a
google
doc
that
you
go
through
and
check
all
the
agreements
that
you
made
a
month
ago
see
how
you're
doing
and
then
ask
the
peers
that
are
working
with
them.
If
they
have
any.
You
know,
feedback,
ideally
constructive,
but
everyone's
always
too
nice.
G
If
it
says
anything
interesting,
but
you
know
that's,
okay
and
then
you
know
one
person
takes
that
feedback
and
give
us
cases
and
says,
tries
to
deliver
it
in
a
nice
way.
It's
a
person,
so
they
can
feel
that
they're
back
in
mind
and
I
feel
like
that's
the
the
value
of
graduated
sanctions.
It's
not
even
like
to
get
bad
at
someone.
It's
just
like
oh
you're,
going
over
here.
Let's
nudge
you
back
over
there,
you
know,
and
it
should
usually
it
only
takes
a
nudge.
A
Cool
does
anybody
else
has
something
more
to
end.
E
I
wanted
to
say
one
thing,
and
that
is
also
like
something
that
we're
going
to
discuss
in
gravity,
but
that
is
very
good
to
be
discussed
here,
because
the
these
are
very
broader
groups
and
it's
about
a
protocol
for
calls,
because
I've
noticed
that
in
most
calls
the
the
facilitator
or
the
leader
is
at
the
same
time,
like
the
moderator
of
the
call.
If
anything
happens,
so
it
would
be
good
to
have
like
a
moderator
for
for
calls
that
are
like
bigger
than
10
people.
E
That
is
different
from
the
fro
from
the
facilitator
of
the
call
in
order
to
ease
like
the
the
the
good
flow
of
the
call,
and
even
if
the
facilitator
is
like
extending
or
overpassing
time
in
in
their
interventions,
that
the
moderator
can
be
respected
and
make
respect
the
agenda.
E
A
I
think
yeah.
I
think
this
is
a
a
good
topic
and
it
fits
mostly
on
the
community
stewards
working
group,
because
now
we're
gonna
give
it
a
structure
to
the
community
stewards
to
discuss
all
of
these
things
that
we
haven't
been
discussing,
and
that
are
important,
so
we're
gonna
talk
about
this
tomorrow
in
the
in
the
community
steward
call
so
I'll
give
you
the
agenda.
If
you
want
to
add
that.