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A
I
received
a
lot
of
feedback
that
it's
been
been
in
in
the
process
of
integrating,
and
I
wanted
to
share
with
everyone
and
have
more
of
a
collaborative
call.
So
first
does
anybody
has
a
question
that
you
would
like
to
start?
It's
a
nice
breaker
or
anything.
You
want
to
know
from
everybody.
A
Okay,
so
we
can
ask
just
start
just
with
yeah.
How
are
you
feeling
today
and
if
you
have
any
intentions
for
this
call.
D
Oh
intentions,
no,
I
just
I'm
just
feeling
sunny
and
happy
to
be
here
with
you
guys,
basically
just
sharing
and
catching
up,
seeing
how
how
I
can
help
in
any
way
and
distractions
yeah
and
doing
some
give
it
stuff
I'll
pass
it
to
nate.
B
Yeah,
I'm
feeling
good,
I'm
glad,
I'm
back
in
the
states.
Yeah.
It's
been
been
a
ride
this
past
week.
So
I'm
excited
about
it,
though,
and
my
intentions
are
just
to
see
what
the
plans
are
for
post
hatch,
soft
go
so
pass,
it
is
empty.
E
F
So
it's
I
feel
like
it's
been
so
long
since
I've
been
on
one
of
these
calls,
I
mean
it's
like
the
8th
cc
week
and
and
like
taking
three
days
off
is
like
crazy,
so
yeah,
I
just
want
to
say
hi
to
everyone
and
see
what's
going
on
and
get
back
into
rhythm,
a
little
bit
with
our
calls
so
I'll
pass
it
back
to
olivia
because
I'm
not
sure
who's
next.
G
Thanks
levi
yeah,
I
want
to
see
what
everyone's
at
I'm
with
nate
regarding,
want
to
see
what
plans
are
for
self-called,
post
hatch,
if
you
guys
are
working
any
proposals.
I
know
two
is
I'm
curious
too,
and
just
want
to
see
if
I
can
help
with
any
of
the
tasks
that
arise,
distractions
and
the
distractions
and
I'll
pass
it
to?
H
Yeah,
I'm
just
curious
to
with,
I
think
this
happens
with
all
the
working
groups,
I'm
just
curious
to
know
where
we
stand
at,
and
I
would
like
to
just
understand
a
little
bit
of
what
are
the
other
steps
just
to
offer,
help
and
understand
in
which
state
we
are
with
other
working
groups.
This
is
like,
I
think,
that's
reached
kind
of
thing
for
me,
so
that's
the
reason
why
I'm
also
in
this
call
so
actually.
C
A
Cool
thanks
everybody
so
yeah
today,
I
wanted
to
share
a
little
bit.
What's
been
what
I've
been
reflecting
on
lately
and
something
I
started
to
think
in
in
paris,
but
then
anna
marie
gave
a
really
good
feedback
of
how
the
stewards
became
somehow,
like
the
bottleneck
for
things
to
be
done
and
and
how
a
lot
of
the
things
were
like.
A
Maybe
how
there
was
a
difficult
process
to
give
ownership
of
things
and
how
to
like,
promote
this
agency,
a
little
bit
more
more
than
we've
been
doing,
and
how
to
create
that
without,
like
us
needing
to
have
a
supervision
or
the
steward
needing
to
be
like
responsible
for
everything
on
the
working
group,
and
we
had
a
really
good,
a
really
great
conversation
today
about
like
how
to
do
that
and
some
she
offered
some
really
nice
images
about
leadership,
and
I
think,
like
all
of
us
that
are
in
this
call
today,
we've
been
like
taking
a
lot
of
these
roles,
so
it's
great
to
have
some
reflections
on
that
and
how
we
can
integrate
more
contributors
and
people
that
are
joining
and
how
to
give
them
issues.
A
So
I
thought
it
would
be
great
to
create
a
lot
of
issues
on
zenhub
that
reflect
the
work
that
needs
to
be
done
in
softcup
and
and
to
really
give
that
ownership,
and
I
apologize
for.
I
think
there
was
many
things
that
I
was
always
putting
myself
like
present
in
the
process
like.
Oh,
we
need
to
do
this,
who
wants
to
collaborate
with
me,
and
I
think
I
could
have
done
different
in
a
way
that,
like
oh,
we
have
this
issue
who
wants
to
take
leadership
of
this.
A
A
I
didn't
finish
doing
this
yet
because
I
started
today
but
yeah,
so
I
filtered
softgov
and
then
there
are
some
new
issues
and
some
of
the
ones
that
were
here
that
I
changed
a
little
bit,
but
basically
like
seeing
everything
that
needs
to
be
done
in
softcup
and
that
other
people
can
take
ownership
of
it.
So
this
is
just
one
example,
like
softgov
working
group
working
group
funding
proposal.
A
What
should
softgov
request
funding
for
once
the
commons
is
live?
What
are
the
small
projects
that
can
be
developed
and
by
small
projects
we'll
start
seeing
like
if
we
organize
them
in
issues?
Those
are
small
projects
in
itself,
and
maybe
we
can
even
request
funding
for
each
one
of
them
who
will
be
working
and
what?
What
is
the
fair
funding?
What
will
the
funds
be
meant?
How
will
the
funds
be
managed?
A
A
So
we
understand
that
we
are
moving
with
praise
and
source
cred,
but
then
how
much
should
be
destined
to
our
reward
systems?
Post
hatch
so
consider
will
have
proposals
being
submitted
to
fund
projects.
How
much
of
the
work
done
should
be
rewarded
by
praise
and
source
cred.
So
one
idea
I
have
is
that
the
commons
can't
reward
directly
in
tec
tokens,
so
this
could
be
a
way
that
we
put
the
tc
tokens
in
movement
by.
A
We
could
reward
prison
source
cred
only
with
tc
tokens,
and
then
proposals
are
rewarded
with
x
die
and
there
could
be
a
movement
there.
So
that's
one
interesting
point
to
go
about,
and
probably
this
would
become
a
proposal
and
people
would
vote
on
it.
So
we
would.
We
would
use
this
template
and
start
the
the
dow
already
having
like
this
figure
it
out
quick
pause
here.
Does
anybody
has
questions,
thoughts
or
anything?
You
want
to
share.
B
B
I
guess
I
guess,
like
transitioning
from
like
pre-hatched
working
groups
to
post-hatch
working
groups
where
we're
saying
okay,
we
want
to
have
everything.
That's
you
know
in
proposal
format.
Basically,
if
you're
doing
something
and
you're
gonna
get
paid
for
it
like
do
it
in
proposal
format,
so
things
like
deploying
the
snapshot
which
I
think
just
happened,
which
is
great,
I
think
the
tools
that
we
we
build
are
really
important
and
it
should
probably
go
through
a
proposal
system,
but
I
mean
I
guess
it.
Would
it
classify
as
that?
A
A
That
snapshot
was
something
we
wanted
to
have,
and
that
is
like
a
tool
that
many
other
projects
are
using
and
it's
a
direction
we
can
evolve
for
like
softcup
decision
making.
So
so
I
deployed
the
snapshot
for
things
like
that.
I
don't
know
there
was
a
cost
of
maybe
like
forty
dollars
or
some
fruity
diet,
or
something
that
that
could
be
submitted
to
the
dao
like
if
there
are
other
similar
things
that
are
happening
in
this
direction,
and
then
people
could
request
something
like
that.
A
Maybe
you
would
be
like
deploying
that
instance
and
like
creating
some
type
of
process
around
it,
or
I
know
it
could
be
a
small
proposal
or
it
could
be
inside
of
like
other
clusters
of
softgov
that
are
working
on
similar
things.
And
then
this
is
just
one
task
of
a
bigger
proposal
and
then
there
could
be
like
different
contributors
and
then
the
contributor
who
worked
on
that
task
is
rewarded,
for
that.
Does
that
make
sense.
A
Yeah
it
could,
it
could
be
both
like
it
can
be
something.
For
example,
there
is
another
issue
here
for
like.
B
I
don't
think
they're
going
to
be
a
lot
of
decisions
like
that
that
are
going
to
fall
under.
Like
I
don't
know
what
lens
I
should.
You
know
view
this
as
like.
Should
I
just
go
ahead
and
do
it
or
should
I
go
ahead
and
ask
the
community
via
official
proposal,
I
think
a
lot
of
like
decisions
will
fall
under
that
category
of
kind
of,
like
I
don't
know
where
it
fits,
but
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
to
your
attention.
A
Yeah,
I
think-
and
this
is
something
I
was
chatting
with-
zappa
moves
through
earlier.
I
think
it
falls
under
this
like
very
the
space
that
is
not
so
well
defined,
yet
of
like
how
to
make
decisions,
how
to
approach
certain
things
and-
and
we
work
today
on
developing
advice
process
a
little
bit
better
and
then
seeing
how
a
lot
of
the
material
that
was
out
there
was
super
outdated
and
then
no
wonder
people
get
confused
about
it.
So.
A
I
think
having
constant
communication,
so
we
could
continue
using
this
like
soft
gob
syncs,
for,
like
oh,
let's,
say
a
lot
of
people
jump
into
issues
that
they
wanna
they
wanna
work
on.
A
So
I
think
it's
like
kind
of
navigating
the
just
a
sense
of
I
don't
know.
I
feel
like
it's
kind
of
emerging
from
the
culture
like
the
ways
that
we've
been
interacting
with
each
other
there's
also
like
there's
some
things
that
we
know
we
can
go
forward
and
some
things
we
feel
like
we
need
more
opinions
on.
B
Yeah
definitely-
and
I
completely
agree
with
you
with
the
whole
stewards
issue
in
terms
of
like
kind
of
being
a
bottleneck
for
individual
agency
so
and
like
a
big
part
of
that,
I
think
is-
is
having
the
right
tools
and
I
think
snapshot
is
a
big
step
forward
and
providing
tools
for
other
for
people
to
participate
independently,
and
I
was
curious
because,
like
one
of
the
issues
that
I
would
like
to
create
is
to
create
a
boardroom,
have
you
messed
around
with
boardroom
at
all?
B
I
A
Nice
everybody
recovering
slowly
yeah.
Does
anyone
has
more
comments
before
I
move
forward
to
some
of
the
other
issues?
I
identify.
A
Okay,
so
another
one
is
free
system
development,
that's
a
big
one
right,
because
we
we
gathered
all
these
insights
from
the
impact,
our
intervention
process
and
then
and
then,
what
like?
How
do
we
incorporate
all
of
them
and
I've
been
chatting
with
octopus.
He
will
be
free
to
work
on
this
on
the
5th
from
the
15th
on,
but
also,
I
think,
it's
worth
opening
it,
because
what,
if
there's
other
like
data
science,
people
that
would
be
interested
about
this
and
want
to
jump
in
and
and
even
just
like,
we
can
have
more
brainstorming
around
it.
A
There
are
some
guide,
some
solutions
that
started
to
come
up
and
they
seem
interesting,
but
I
think
always
when
we
open
for
the
collective
intelligence,
more
things
can
pop
up.
So
a
few
of
them
is
like
improving
the
quantification
process.
So
what
can
be
automated?
What
should
be
automated?
How
to
automate
it
phrase?
Guidelines
for
producing
clean
data
sets,
so
we
are
very
free
now
in
the
way
we
dish
praise,
but
that
was
very
difficult
to
clean
the
data,
like
that's
what
took
the
most
the
longest
in
the
in
the
analysis
process.
A
So
should
we
have
some
guidelines
and
have
an
onboarding
for
everyone
that
is
going
to
start
phrasing
and
just
a
couple
of
rules.
It
could
be
really
simple,
but
it
could
be
like
a
certain
language
that
we
use
and
then
from
that
we
also
thought
like.
Oh
what,
if,
in
those
guidelines,
there
are
some
categories,
so
the
bot
could
like
automatically
put
certain
words
in
certain
buckets
that
would
be
much
better
than
the
ones
we
did
like
during
the
analysis
that
weren't
so
accurate
so
like
that
was
the
first
look
at
it.
A
How
could
we
continue
improving
that
that
line
if
we
want
or
how
is
the
phrase
going
to
be
distributed,
so
we
have
the
source
cred?
Now
we
could
use
that
for
distribution.
A
This
is
one
issue
that
I
feel
very
like
strong
about,
so
I
would
like
to
collaborate
with
it,
but
then,
if
there
are
other
people
that
also
feel
about
it,
like
also
jump
in
please-
and
there
are
some
that
I
didn't
put
oops-
that
I
didn't
put
myself
into
it
so
feel
free
to
just
go
there
and
put
yourself
as
the
lead.
A
If
you
want
to
take
that
on
and
then
there
are
a
few
others
that
I
didn't
get
to
put
in
here,
yet
so
yeah
just
opening
again,
if
you
have
any
thoughts
or
if
there's
anything
that
so
far
you're
like
oh,
I
would
love
to
like
own
that
or
something
else
that
you
would
like
to
propose,
like
nate.
Just
did
also
feel
free
to
add
to
the
board.
E
I
I
think
one
issue
for
the
anyone
who
would
like
to
take
it
like
we
were
talking
today
on
the
decision
making
and
just
make
a
maybe
an
issue
too
much,
but
you
know
like
create
a
space
to
people
to
can
think
about
the
decisions
we
were
taking,
how
they
apply.
They
are
not
applying
it
right
now,
like
just
yeah.
E
I
I
don't
know
how
to
do
it,
but
it
would
be
nice
like
to
have
the
space
to
people
like,
for
example,
we
want
to
engage
in
the
in
the
reward
system,
but
if
you're
doing
it
that
that
doesn't
mean
I
cannot
do
it
and
we
can
do,
and
you
know
like
split
it
work
and
then,
when
both
words
are
done
like
it's,
it's
good
to
do
make
sense
you
know
and
that,
with
all
the
decisions
we
were
taking
before,
I
think
yeah.
A
Yeah
absolutely
like
multiple
people
can
be
working
on
on
the
same
thing
at
the
same
time,
and
that
was
another
issue
that
I
is
on
my
list
to
put
here,
but
I
didn't
yet
that
is
the
the
decision
tracking.
So
I
think
it
was
kind
of
abstract
when
I
mentioned
it
last
time,
but
then
today's
optimism
and
I
were
chatting
and-
and
there
are
multiple
ways
to
look
at
this-
so
these
are
a
list
of
some
of
the
decisions
we
took.
A
There
could
be
even
one
issue
for
each
approach
if
people
feel
like
doing
that,
it
could
be
one
for
like
research
from
a
research
perspective
of
like
oh,
what
are
all
the
decisions
that
we
took.
How
did
they
evolve?
Is
there
any
patterns
around
them
like?
What
does
this
say
about
our
community?
A
Something
like
that
and
then
something
else
that
is
looking
into
each
one
of
those
proposals
and
seeing
how
the
decision
space
changed?
I
think
this
is
really
interesting.
Actually,
like.
Oh,
are
there
some
decisions
that
were
decided
through
voting
that
maybe
that
wasn't
the
best
way
of
deciding
should
they
become
like
an
advice,
an
open
advice
process
that
is
always
being
revisited
or
they
were
decided
through
this
type
of
voting.
But
then
now
we
have
a
better
tool
to
have
a
better
signal
should
they
change
to
that
like.
A
A
They
don't
make
any
more
sense,
or
there
are
things
that
we
could
still
use,
but
they
just
need
to
be
like
refreshed,
like
those
communication
guidelines
that
in
august
28
like
basically
a
year
ago,
they
for
sure
need
to
be
revisited
and
there's
even
a
note
here,
proofed
with
the
intention
of
being
revised
and
improved.
Was
this
ever
revised
and
improved?
I
don't
think
so.
So
how
like?
A
Share
anything
if
you
guys
feel
like
and
and
then
another
thing
is,
zaptimus
took
ownership
of
the
advice
process,
so
that
was
really
great
and
we
had
a
sink
today
and-
and
I
think,
a
lot
of
the
perspectives
he
had
were
so
refreshing
about
like
oh,
how
do
we
move
for?
How
do
we
make
this
more
clear
because
it
wasn't
clear
to
me
and
that
sometimes
is
the
best
way
to
pick
something
up?
It's
like.
Oh.
A
E
Yeah
we
were
having
a
discussion
on
this
topic
also
on
transparency,
and
we
had
like
many
good
ideas.
E
For
instance,
dan
was
suggesting
to
have
a
best
practices
when
a
document
with
best
practices
and
with
libby
we're
thinking
like
we
could
combine
it
with
the
advice
process
and
yeah,
make
it
more
clear
and
another
great
idea
that
fun
had
it's
make
a
slide
and
slide
and
announce
it
on
the
community.
Call.
E
For
example,
when
we
have
like
we're
feeling
some
lack
of
engagement
on
the
on
the
advice
process,
and
maybe
some
yeah
just
like
communicate
it
more,
and
the
idea
was
to
make
a
forum
post
with
all
the
advice
process
and
there's
already
an
issue
on
transparency
and
fun
to
sign
and
yeah.
Maybe
we
should.
E
I
would,
I
think
we
put
it
on
community
and
transparency,
but
I
I
yeah
on
the
label.
It's
it's
it's
target
for
juan
and
yeah.
The
idea
is
like
on
the
we
have
this
forum
post
with
all
the
the
advice
process
that
never
happened
on
the
tc,
but
also
the
idea
is
like
the
ones
who
are
already
open
and
keep
them
in
the
yeah.
Announce
them
every
week
on
the
on
the
community
call
so
there's
more
engagement.
E
No,
it's
an
open
issue
yeah
this
one
topics
that
one
one
topics
that
need
advice,
process
and
yeah
make
slide
in
the
community
and
and
then
one
other
thing
we
were
also
chatting
with
levy
like
there
are
some
topics
on
advice
process
that
you
know
like
they
are
not
close
like,
for
instance,
the
one
I
was
talking
for
the
manage
managing
credentials
and
how
who
should
or
acting
in
the
name
of
the
dao
or
all
of
that
like
it's,
it's
not
something,
that's
close
and
is
it's
floating
never
going
to
be
close
like
people
could
out,
I
always
keep
doing
giving
advice
and
the
idea
is
also
like
when
people
is
giving
advice
integrated
but
yeah.
E
I
The
idea
that
we
were
talking
about
is
that
in
the
community
call,
we
have
a
slide
that
talks
about
the
importance
of
having
advice
process,
but
it
would
be
good
to
have
like
a
list
of
the
topics
that
are
requiring
an
advice
process
so
that
anyone
in
the
in
the
in
the
community
call
can
know
like
what
are
the
topics
that
are
wanted
to
for
feedback
and
jump
on
them.
F
Hey
I'll
jump
into
yeah,
I
really
like
the
idea
of
revisiting
some
of
these
previous
agreements
or
some
of
these
previous
results
from
advice
process,
and
you
know
it's
like
water
in
a
river
it
keeps
flowing,
and
the
community
now
is
still
a
community
right
like
water
is
still
water,
but
it's
completely
different
from
six
months
ago
or
nine
months
ago.
So
it's
very
interesting
to
to
constantly
be
checking
that
the
decisions
are
still
relevant
to
our
community,
because
the
community
is
very
dynamic
and
changes
a
lot.
F
I
think
what
zeptum
has
said
about
advice
process
is
important
too.
It's
it's
to
initiate
a
decision
right,
so
it's
like
before
a
decision
is
made.
We
can
use
advice
process
to
make
that
decision,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
that
decision
is
then
poured
in
concrete
and
unchangeable
and
unmoldable.
F
We
can
continue
to
evolve
past
that
initial
decision,
but
I
think
it's
probably
important
for
us
to
also
say
that
the
advice
process
does
have
an
end,
and
the
end
is
when
the
person
responsible
has
accumulated
all
the
different
points
of
view
and
then
makes
a
decision
to
move
forward
on,
and
then
it
can
be
improved
later
because
there's
new
tools,
boardroom,
like
nate,
suggested
I
haven't-
looked
at
it
yet,
but
it
sounds
like
a
very
interesting
new
way
for
us
to
help
surface
a
lot
of
these
proposals
and
advice
process
that
we
are
using
now
yeah,
that's
kind
of
it.
F
I
also
want
to
say,
at
least
for
me,
and
probably
most
people,
if
not
everyone
in
this
room,
a
lot
of
the
the
advice
process
on
the
list
precedes
all
of
us.
F
I
think
it's
maybe
just
you
livia,
who
who
who
started
from
the
very
beginning.
It
was
involved
in
a
lot
of
the
earlier
ones.
So
it'd
be
interesting
for
us
to
take
a
look
and
revisit.
A
Yeah
for
sure
that
is
interesting
and
those
up
the
sheet
they're
not
advised
process,
but
they
were
like
actually
voted
voted
on.
A
A
A
That
was
part
of
arguments
right
of
like
oh,
but
we
had
a
decision
and
then
some
people
questioned
the
legitimacy
of
that
decision.
So
wanting
to
question
that
legitimacy,
because
just
few
people
voted
on
it
or
because
the
proposal
was
wasn't
structured
in
a
very
clear
way.
A
All
of
these
things
so
wanting
to
prevent
that
from
happening,
because
maybe
there
are
some
things
that
maybe
were
voted
on
and
that
we
are
still
relying
on
as
a
decision
and
that
it
could
be
revisited
before
we
move
into
like
the
upgrade,
and
then
things
get
a
little
more
fuzzy.
So
what
are
the
things
that
we
need
to
look
at
from
our
cultural
decisions?
That
might
not
be
so
accurate
anymore.
So
that's
also
part
of
this.
A
So
that
was
mostly
what
I
wanted
to
share
in
this
call:
a
change
of
direction
to
be
more
action,
oriented
and
and
to
rely
a
little
bit
more
on
the
zenhub
board
and
to
and
to
have
this
agency
more
and
more
in
mind
like
how
people
can
take
ownership
of
issues.
And
what
is
the
help
needed
and
how
can
this
cause
become
more
of
a
sinking
point
between
people
that
are
working
on
multiple
issues
and
come
together,
and
we
can
like
answer.
Questions
have
debates
and
have
a
more
collected,
collectively,
driven
call.
F
Yeah,
I'm
going
to
jump
in
first,
I'm
I'm
just
reading
anne-marie's
forum
post
about
smaller
groups
and
stewards
is
sort
of
blockers
to
getting
work
done,
and
I
think
it's.
I
think
she
brings
some
really
valid
points
and
it
would
be
a
terrible
shame
if
that's
the
case
and
if
that
is
what
it
feels
like
to
new
members
in
the
community.
F
So
I
think
using
zenhub
board
is
something
that
is
going
to
greatly
facilitate
right,
like
the
the
more
that
the
stewards
can
put
and
not
just
the
stores,
the
more
that
the
stewards
and
any
community
member
can
feel
the
agency
to
open
an
issue
start
working
on
an
issue
assign
it
to
the
right
working
group
or
or
not,
assign
it
to
a
working
group
and
the
more
we
model
that
the
better
it
is,
I
think
for
new
community
members
to
feel
like
they
have
the
agency
to
be
like.
F
Oh,
this
is
something
I
want
to
work
on
and
I
want
to
work
on
it
with
these
three
people
and
the
process
isn't:
there's
no
blocker,
there's
no
barrier,
it's
just
logging
into
zenhub
and
opening
an
issue
and
doing
it,
and
I
think
that
it
actually
can
and
should
be
that
easy
and
that
you
know
from
the
perspective
of
our
culture
that
we
should
really
strive
to
making
it
to
having
no
barrier
to
people
working
on
anything
that
they
are
interested
in
in
contributing
in
the
space.
F
So
I
think
probably
the
best
way
to
do.
That
is
to
say.
Are
you
interested
in
working
on
something
put
it
on
zenhub
and
just
work
on
it
like
that?
There's
no
there's!
No
approval!
There's
no!
There's
not
there's
no
form
for
to
fill
out,
there's
nothing
necessary
other
than
to
just
start
doing
it.
F
So
yeah
I'll
reply
to
ann
marie
and
have
a
chat
with
her
too,
since
I've
been
and
disposed
for
a
little
bit,
but
I
I
think
I
think
I
think
it's
really
important
that
that
perception
is
and
not
even
that
perception
that
if
there's
people
who
feel
like
they
can't
make
inroads
in
the
tec,
because
they
don't
know
how
to
work
on
something
or
what
they
can
work
on
and
what
the
approval
process
would
be.
F
I
think
it's
really
important
for
us
to
culturally
continue
to
sort
of
like
beat
the
point
of
like
just
just:
do
it
just
open
an
issue
and
get
started
and
loop
other
people
in
I
like
the
idea
of
small
working
groups.
I
know
we
don't
have
a
formal
structure
for
that,
like
a
subgroup
and
we're
doing
subgroups
like
te
services
incubated
under
labs
and
orientation,
incubated
it
under
soft
gov.
So
there's
these
sort
of
like
forms
that
aren't
formal,
but
I
think
we
can
continue
to
do
more.
Of
that
too.
F
I'd
also
be
interested
in
sort
of
this,
is
I
don't
know
if
anyone's
had
a
chance
to
read
that
post
yet,
but
it's
sort
of
part
and
parcel.
I
think,
with
this
conversation,
I'd
also
love
to
hear
from
everyone
else
in
in
this
call,
if
they
feel
like
there's
blockages
to
being
able
to
participate
and
how
we
can
help
make
that
easier,
using
zen
hub
and
other
ways
that
we
can
maybe
facilitate
that
as
well
I'll
pass
it
to
eduardo.
F
There's
a
post
by
anne
marie
and
I
think
she
feels
like
there's
some.
She
made
some
really
good
suggestions,
but
also
that
she's
feeling
that
it's
difficult
to
know
how
and
when
to
participate
in
the
tec
and
with
there's
an
approval
process.
And
if
somebody
who
wants
to
contribute
needs
a
steward
to
approve
it
or
can
just
get
started.
And
I
think
it's
probably
a
pretty
fair
criticism
that
there
is
some.
F
You
know
somebody
might
be
worried
that
they
need
an
official
way
to
start
doing
something,
and
I
think
that
that's
probably
quite
a
normal
feeling
and
that
how
we
can
help
advocate
for
just
doing
something
that
interests
you.
H
Yeah,
I
think
this
is
a
shared
feeling
with
everyone
who
started
as
a
collaborator
in
the
in
the
tdc.
This,
like
gray
area
of
I
don't
know
how
to
I
don't
know
where-
or
I
don't
know
with
whom
I
should
start
talking
to
do
this
thing-
that
I
saw
in
a
call
that
I
catch
my
attention,
but
I
don't
know
how
to
get
around
it.
So
I
think
the
the
easiest
way
that
I
would
suggest.
H
Maybe
I'm
already
suggested
on
the
blog
post,
but
it's
basically
to
have
it-
have
a
basic
set
of
actions
or
tasks
that
can
be
be
on
the
list
and
when
suga,
for
example,
does
the
welcome
onboarding
to
people
just
having
this
kind
of
it's
more
a
small
guidance
and
small
like
five
minutes
dedicated
to
to
tell
people
like
hey,
it's,
okay,
you
can
contribute.
H
There
is
a
set
of
lists
that
are
for
everyone
to
to
take
them
if
needed,
and
so
people
can
feel
like,
and
we
we
can
also
filter
this
this
task,
so
they
are
not
so
complex,
but
they
are
doable
and
they
are
needed.
Maybe
so
we
maybe
can
have
a
kind
of
a
set
of
of
yeah
of
tasks
that
can
be
accomplished
and
can
be
opened
for
everyone
to
do
so,
and
I
will
pass
it
on
to
nate.
B
Agree
with
everything
both
of
you
just
said,
anne
marie's
post
was
really
good
and
I
had
a
chance
to
talk
to
her
about
it
during
one
of
the
topics
during
the
unconference
which
was
really
centered
around
this
idea
of
newcomers
and
not
having
kind
of
a
a
comfortable
way
to
participate
in
terms
of
just
being
intimidated
by
the
space
if
you're
new
things
of
that
nature,
and
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
issues
surrounding
that
I
do
believe
is-
is
a
big
problem
of
having
a
commons
like
a
communication
space
for
different
different
points
during
the
decision
making
process.
B
You
know
if
I'm
just
thinking
out
loud.
If
I
want
to
do
something
with
you
know,
tom's
group
or
transparency
group.
I
might
have
an
idea,
but
I
may
not
know
exactly
where
to
you
know,
bounce
that
idea
off
of,
and
I
can
go
to
the
working
group
call
and
do
so,
but
it
would
take
a
lot
for
me
if
I
were
new,
especially
if
I
didn't
know
anybody
it'd
be
very
difficult
environment
for
me
to
present
that
type
of
idea.
B
And
then
you
know,
there's
some
things
like
my
boardroom
idea
that
I
want
to
see
happen
within
working
groups
in
the
tec,
like
it's
a
little
bit
more
defined.
I
understand
you
and
I
would
like
to
have
a
space
for
that
is
this
working
group
called
probably
the
only
appropriate
what
place
to
do
so
yeah
and
so
just
making
sure
that
every
part
of
the
decision
making
process,
there's
kind
of
like
a
communication
space
for
these
things
to
be
talked
about,
I
think,
would
help
a
lot.
B
B
If
I
want
to
ask
for
advice,
sometimes
you
know
there's
not
a
lot
of
commitment
on
me,
except
for
me
saying
I
want
advice
and
really,
I
should
have
you
know
an
idea
of
what
questions
that
need
to
be
asked
and
what
questions
need
to
be
answered,
and
so
where
that
at
and
that
is
hard
and
then
finding
the
right
people
and
making
sure
that
you
get
those
questions
answered
before
you
make.
A
decision
needs
to
be
clarified
to
all
the
stewards
and
we
need
to
just
have
generally
more
education
around
this
area.
B
I
Thanks
nate
yeah,
I
was
also
thinking
that
it
would
be
good
to
invite
contributors
to
the
stewards
calls
because,
maybe
in
the
in
those
calls
in
the
review
and
the
sprint
planning,
are
the
ones
that
we
like
organize
our
issues
and
like
if
any
contributor
joins
one
of
those
calls,
they
can
just
create
an
issue
and
not
like
only
the
steroids,
creating
the
issue
of
the
working
group.
I
So
I
think
that
that
we
we
could
like
take
away
that
imaginary
barrier,
that
the
steroid
score
are
only
for
the
steroids
and
maybe
may
make
them
like
steroid
ship
calls
like
you,
don't
have
to
be
a
steward
to
be
on
the
call,
but
it's
a
call
where,
like
all
of
the
work
gets
organized.
So
if
you
want
to
like
propose
some
work,
you
can
join
into
these
calls
so
that
yeah
you.
I
You
know
how
how
everyone's
work
is
organized
and
also
you
can
like
make
and
the
issue
about
the
work
you
would
like
to
contribute.
So
I
think
that
that
that
would
be
good
like
opening
the
steward
scores,
the
sprint
planning
and
the
and
the
retrospective,
because
yeah
we
we.
I
I
I
also
think
that,
when
the
steroids
are
the
only
ones
that
make
their
the
retrospective,
maybe
we
can
be
like
yeah
a
little
bit
biased
towards
the
steroids,
and
it
would
be
good
if
we
can
like
add
feedback
from
other
contributors
into
into
the
retrospective,
so
that
we
can
see
those
other
points
of
view
and
also
the
same
in
the
sprint
planning
like
if
only
the
steroids
are
in
the
spleen
print
planning.
I
We
are
the
only
ones
that
like
saying,
what's
going
to
be
happening
in
the
in
the
group
for
the
next
two
weeks,
but
if
we
open
that
they
are
open,
but
we
have
to
like
tell
that
narrative
that
they
are
that
everyone
can
join
yeah.
Maybe
contributors
can
can
make
their
own
issues
during
during
that
call
and
add
them
into
the
sprint,
without
like
being
in
by
the
umbrella
of
one
or
other
working
group.
F
Yeah,
can
I
can
I
just
respond
to
that
sorry
before
you
pass
it
on
so
every
thursday
on
our
community
sink.
I
say
that
all
these
calls
are
open
and
people
are
invited
to
see
how
the
sausage
is
made
in
the
sprint
planning
and
come
and
participate,
and
we've
had
contributors
participate
in
our
retro
and
our
sprint
planning.
So
I
don't
think
it's
a
matter
of
it
being
closed,
because
it's
definitely
not-
and
I
don't
think
it's
perceived
that
way,
but
I
think
people
might
feel
like.
F
Oh,
it's
the
sprint
planning,
and
you
know
why
would
I
participate
in
that?
I
I
love
what
you're
you're
going
somewhere
you're
going
somewhere
with
this
one,
carlos
and
I
and
I
feel
like
it's
something
close,
but
maybe
it's
something
more
like
having
dedicated
sessions
that
are
open
to
the
community.
It's
like
community,
sprint,
planning
or
community
zen.
You
know
sprint
board
planning
or
something
like
that.
F
The
one
of
the
things
that
I've
seen
and
as
a
sort
of
a
caution
that
I
have
for
us
right
now
is
that
in
our
planning
sessions
we
have
a
number
of
working
groups
and
a
lot
of
stewards,
and
we
do
need
to
be
focused
on
making
sure
those
working
groups
get
through
their
sprint
planning.
So
I
wouldn't
want
to,
and
have
it
end
up
being.
I
Yeah,
like
we
always
say
like
we
promote
duocracy
so
like
yeah.
If
you
want
to
do
something
just
know
that
the
tools
are
there
and
and
that
you
can
participate
and
create
any
issue,
and
also
maybe
for
people
who
is
new
and
and
don't
know
that
much
the
process
just
by
looking.
What
we
do
in
one
or
two
calls
would
be
very
good
for
them
to
know
how.
How
can
they
fit
in
and
contribute
so
really.
A
Now
yeah,
I
had
a
reflection
about
this
and
my
call
with
ann
marie
today
about
how,
in
line
with
this,
that
you
both
are
saying
that
when
we
have
these
print
plannings,
I
think
there
was
a
practice
that
somehow
started
to
be
that
we
all
took
on
as
if
the
stewards
had
to
lead
most
of
the
issues
of
the
working
group.
A
And
I
think
that's
where
we
could
find
a
balance
that
if
we
start
promoting
in
the
in
the
working
group,
calls
that
people
have
their
own
issues
and
that
this
call
is
a
place
for
like
work.
Sync,
and
that
things
are
happening.
Async
and
the
working
group
call
is
a
is
a
place
where
people
get
together
and
then
the
stewards
call
is
a
place
for
like.
I
Yeah,
I
think
that
would
be
good
and
also
maybe
like
old
contributors.
They
are
already
familiarized
with
the
same
hub
and
they
already
know
how
how
it
works.
But
maybe
we
can
tell
suga
to
do
like
a
small
session
with
new
contributors
on
how
does
the
send
world
work
so
and
if
anyone
needs
to
be
included.
A
D
To
dan
who's
that
guy
anyway
yeah
I'm
thinking,
I'm
thinking
a
lot
about
different
kinds
of
things.
I
mean
basically
thinking
about
entry
points
which
are
the
entry
points
where
these
people
come
to.
I
mean,
like
you,
had
things
to
do
you
had
things
to
know
to
do
those
things
I
mean
like
kind
of
like
a
basis
layer
and
some
specifics
on
the
tasks
etc,
and
you
had
like
a
point
of
contact.
So
who
is
that
point
of
contact?
But
I
don't
think
one
of
the
best
entry
points.
D
The
spring
planning
might
not
be
the
best
entry
point.
You
know
like
yeah
having
a
contributor
come
and
stanley
yeah,
you're
gonna,
be
here
two
hours
and
maybe
you'll
get
something
to
do,
might
not
be
the
best
idea,
but
kind
of
like
a
that
bulletin
board
approach:
a
bullying
these
issues
like
hey,
it's
two
words:
what
are
the
things
that
you
need
help
with
this
week?
So
you
know
having
those
those
as
let's
say,
like
resources
for
these
specific
entry
points,
which
are
the
entry
points.
D
D
You
know
I
don't
know,
but
that
that
will
be
my
day
to
kind
of
like
approach
this
without
creating
extra
overhead,
not
only
for
you
guys,
but
thinking
about
contributors
coming
and
being
like,
okay,
yeah,
I'm
gonna
spend
one
hour
and
a
half,
and
I
probably,
by
the
end,
maybe
I'll
figure
something
to
do.
That
might
not
be
the
best
approach
you
know
like
respecting
somebody's
time,
etc,
etc,
that
that's
my
two
cents.
Basically,
I
don't
know
who
hasn't
gone
so
I'll
pass
it
back
to
you
baby.
A
C
Yep,
I
don't
have
much
to
add,
but
I
agree
with
what
dan
is
saying,
and
that
also
goes
a
little
bit.
But
what
with?
What
nate
was
mentioning
about?
Maybe
making
an
alienation
between
the
communication
and
the
decision
making,
because
in
the
end
everybody
every
newcomer
has
their
own
way
to
to
grow
in
the
community.
Some
some
people
know
exactly
what
to
do
by
the
second
week.
C
Some
people
takes
a
little
more
time
so
that
that's
like
a
process
that
usually
happens
very
naturally,
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
like
you
have
to
come
every
meeting
you.
You
have
to
be
asking
everyone
that
that's
a
very
personal
process
and
I
believe
that
the
real
leadership
of
the
stewards
is
to
keep
that
alignment
alive
and
that
keeps
the
the
real
objective
of
our
goals
like
occurring
so
yeah.
C
I
think
that
the
main
issue
is
just
to
keep
the
communication
really
open
and
let
everybody
knows
what
what's
going
on
and
how
they
can
help,
because
everybody
will
have
their
own
process
to
to
know
eventually
what
what's
their
purpose
in
here,
I'll
pass
it
to
septi
or
manu.
I'm
not
sure.
E
Thank
you,
yeah.
Thank
you,
mateo
yeah,
I
for
me
personally.
I
also
when
I
first
engaged
with
the
community
one
of
the
things
that
helped
me.
A
lot
was
actually
what
juan
was
saying
like
when
we
were
doing
the
spring
plannings,
and
especially
at
the
beginning.
E
When
we
don't
have
that
money,
I
don't
know,
but
we
did
it
differently
like
we
had
all
the
issues
all
the
time,
and
I
remember,
for
example,
oh
this
issue,
no
one
doing
it
and
I
feel
I
could
do
it
I'll
pick
it
and
then
the
people
in
the
in
the
spring
planning
just
assigned
you
and
yeah.
I
really
like
home
yeah.
I
think
this
is
a
very
in
waiting
game,
a
good
way
to
engage,
but
it's
very
time
consuming.
E
I
think
nate
was
saying,
and
I
think
like
we
were
doing
things
good
and
I
also
think
like
the
store
should
not
take
all
the
issues,
and
I
and
another
thing
like
I
feel
like
there
are
some
some
issues
that
it
also
would
be
fine
like
if
two
people
differently
do
them
and
you
know
to
have
better
overview
like
especially
when
those
issues
are
more
like
philosophic,
like
the
reward
system,
for
example
like
it's
better
like
if
we
have
many
pieces
and
then
we
just
get
what's
the
best
I
have
like
we
take.
E
G
J
Yeah,
just
I
wanted
to
quickly
go
through
over
this
anne-marie's
post
is
something
that
I'm
catching
up
with,
but
I
I
just
look
for
it
in
the
forum,
so
I
can,
I
probably
can
have
like
more
prepared
opinion
for
tomorrow's
stewards
call.
However,
I
was
just
in
the
comms
call
and
we
were
just
throwing
some
ideas
about
how
the
comms
dow
could
work.
So
this
definitely
like
all
of
you
guys,
simple
tastes.
J
It
helped
me
a
lot
to
have
something
more
prepared
for
tomorrow,
and-
and
yes
I
I
I
hope-
you
you
like
this
idea
and
I
can
integrate
anne
marie's
ideas
into
it.
Yeah
I'll
pass
it
back
to
you.
Ladies.