►
Description
The Softgov Working Group researches and applies best practices for governance, social collaboration and contribution rewards while implementing Ostrom’s 8 principles for governing the commons in its foundation.
We gather every Tuesday at 7pm CET.
Steward: Liviade
🙏 Thank you for watching! Hit 👍 and subscribe 🚩 to support this work
🌱Join the Community🌱
on Discord https://discord.gg/uM4ZWDjNfK
or say hello on Telegram https://t.me/tecommons
Join the conversation https://forum.tecommons.org/
Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/tecmns
Learn more http://tecommons.org/
C
D
Thanks
so
intentions,
I
guess
just
keep
discussing
on
on
pretty
much
what
we
have
been
talking
about
in
this
about.
You
know
finance
of
like
revenue
for
for
the
tc.
I'm
also
not
sure
what
happened
with
the
water
boat
I'll,
give
it
a
check
now,
maybe
there's
time.
I
would
probably
want
to
talk
about
the
async
communication
thing
abroad,
and
that's
that
I
guess
I'm
feeling
great
today
honestly
and
I
don't
have
any
distractions,
I
will
pass
it
on
to
bianca.
A
A
E
E
I
think
it's
super
interesting
and
it's
something
that
we
are
also
trying
to
somehow
tackle
in
gravity
and
always
my
intention
is
to
see
how
can
we
connect
our
efforts
in
gravity
with
the
efforts
that
are
similar
in
other
working
groups?
And
I
don't
know
I
love
this
cod
of
softcup
and
participating
in
it,
and
my
distraction
is
that
I
think
I
am
still
not
used
to
work
in
the
afternoon.
B
Thanks
welcome.
My
intentions
are
really
just
learning
more
about
soft
gov
and
I
see
a
lot
of
connections
with
communitas,
and
so
I
hope
to
help
bridge
those
distractions
would
be.
I
just
haven't
been
getting
a
lot
of
sleep
over
the
last
couple
nights,
so
my
brain
is
a
little
bit
fried.
F
Well,
yeah,
I
have
actually
the
same
intention
than
most
of
you.
Guys
is
just
to
learn
more
about
governance,
and
my
distraction
for
school
would
be
that
I
have
to
pick
up
my
girl
from
school
in
a
little
bit,
but
I'll
be
listening
and
I'll
pass
it
to.
I
don't
know
if
kryptos
suck
winter
already.
G
Yeah
sure
so
my
intentions
are
to
learn
more
about
how
soft
governance
fits
into
the
overall
tech
and
engineering
commons,
as
well
as
share
any
thoughts
or
insights
that
I
have
on
the
topics
that
you
bring
up.
I
see
that
you're
kind
of
focused
on
psychology,
religion,
personal
development,
which
is
all
stuff
that
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
researching
so
I'd
love
to
just
share
anything.
I
can
with
you
guys.
H
Yeah,
so
my
intention
is
to
talk
a
bit
more
about
the
religion
and
spirituality
side
of
it
and
to
start
my
lobbying
effort
to
get
softcuff
to
be
called
decision
making
instead
of
governance.
H
C
My
intentions
are
to
look
at
the
forum
post
on
the
tc
ecosystem
health
that
I
posted
and
just
see
if
there's
any
feedback,
thoughts,
immediate
thoughts
on
it
any
questions
and
also
to
go
over
the
document
that
antique
prepared
and-
and
I
was
curious
about.
What
do
you
mean,
triggered
us
all
stocked
up
this
people
making
instead
of
governance?
But
we
can.
We
can
touch
on
that
later.
C
Cool
so
yeah-
and
I
hear
folks,
are
mentioning
wanting
to
understand
more
about
what
is
soft,
so
I'll
make
sure
to
touch
on
that,
especially
when
we
get
to
look
at
the
at
the
the
tc
ecosystem,
health
post,
I'm
so
sorry
for
being
messy
with
the
agenda
today.
It
was
a
back-to-back
call
when
I
should
have
prepared
this
before
so
auntie.
Would
you
like
to
start
presenting
your
the
document
you
were
working
on
so
in
in
last
call.
C
Last
week
we
were
talking
about
voter
apathy
plus
high
quorum
and
what
would
be
some
ways
to
to
touch
on
that?
How
can
we
have
more
engaged
voter
engagement
and
what
are
some
ideas?
Then?
A
lot
of
a
lot
of
calls
ideas
started
to
pop
up
like
oh,
let's
make
a
call
to
show
all
the
proposals
or
let's
make
a
party
to
debate
the
proposals
that
are
up
and
then
auntie
shared
how
he
felt
we
have
too
many
calls
and
how
there
could
be
other
ways
for
engagement.
C
So
he
prepared
a
document
for
us
to
take
a
look
today,
I'll
post
here
in
the
agenda,
and
you
can
go
ahead
and
present
it
into.
D
D
The
issue
per
se
is
that,
first
of
all,
I
counted
roughly
13
calls
17
sinks,
that's
without
community
calls
and
other
activities
like
the
security
research,
and
so
what
I'm
kind
of
having
an
issue
with
it's
the
dependency
on
on
these
meetings
like
they
aren't
bad,
but
they
are
the
the
all
for
a
lot
of
working
groups.
They
are
the
only
way
to
get
some
work
done
or
sort
of
to
get
engaged
in
the
working
group,
and
that's
probably
something
that
we
would
want
to
change
for
various
reasons.
D
First
of
all,
I
guess
for
human
centric
reasons
that
I
think
it's
what
we
have
been
working
towards.
I
think
this.
This
system,
based
on
meetings,
makes
everyone
like
we
all
have
to
arrange
our
lags
based
on
the
tc
instead
of
the
tc
sort
of
getting
adapted
to
everyone
else.
D
If
that
makes
sense,
but
also
you
cannot
do
everything
in
one
hour
in
pretty
much
every
meeting
I
have
been
in
the
in
the
last
weeks,
there
are
way
more
topics
that
we
can
cover
in
one
hour
and
then
and
then,
as
we
are
not
used
to
talk
as
incredibly,
it's
really
hard
to
continue
on
stuff.
If
it's
not
on
on
a
meeting,
there
are
a
few
other
other
things
that
I
think
could
be
like.
D
Maybe
in
maybe
issues
but
I'll
go
through
through
some
points
through
some
benefits
from
working,
I
think
asynchronously,
first
of
all,
or
we
can
make
more
in
this
time,
we
don't
have
to
wait
a
whole
week.
We
don't
have
to
I've
heard
a
couple
of
times
when
something
gets
were
up.
We
go
like
okay,
let's
include
that
for
the
agenda
and
like
why
we,
we
could
be
working
on
that
right
now
today.
In
the
moment,
you
just
have
to
chat
about
that.
D
We
can
also
have
better
feedback,
because
there
has
been
times
when,
especially
when
there's
a
lot
of
people
on
a
meeting
where
we
have
to
put
a
timer
for
everyone
to
think
and
comment
on
on
someone's
ideas
or
something-
and
I
think
one
benefit
of
doing
it
as
increasingly
is
that
everyone
can
take
their
time
and
think
and
think
deeply
about
the
issue
and
then
post
whatever
they
think
whatever
they
they
whatever
thing
that
they
want,
then
about
contributors.
D
So
I
think
I
think
many
of
us
many
of
us
have
the
benefit
to
probably
have
ways
to
make
a
living
that
doesn't
necessarily
depend
on
on
on
the
tc.
I
guess,
because
my
understanding
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
attend
a
lot
of
these
meetings
that
do
it
more
for
the
passion
or
for
the
activities,
not
necessarily
because
there's
a
precise
contribution
with
a
reward
or
whatever,
but
we
are
effectively
exploiting
people.
D
That
may
may
also
have
something
important
to
say,
but
may
not
have
the
time
to
attend
a
specific
meeting
in
a
specific
hour
on
the
week.
That's
that's
it,
and
also
I
was
thinking
about
the
reward
system.
D
D
The
forum
is
just
getting
posts
from
mostly
from
working
group
coordination
leads
or
stewards,
because
it's
it.
The
forum
is
pretty
formal
right
now
and
it's
hard
for
me
to
just
post
whatever
and
get
any
kind
of
engagement
there,
and
so
I
think
well
at
least
on
the
on
the
current
on
the
current
on
this
current
dynamic.
D
We
use,
that's,
probably
not
going
to
be
fair
and
so
moving
also
to
asynchronous
communication
or
mana
or
management
can
allow
everyone
looking
like
can
give
everyone
the
same
opportunity
to
to
sort
of
get
rewarded
for
the
contributions
and
get
more
exposure
and
whatnot.
I'm
almost
finishing.
D
My
solution
is
to
try
and
get
a
small
pilot
with
two
working
groups
that
switch
to
to
work
in
primarily
a
sink,
and
so
they
can
either
ditch
their
meetings,
not
having
any
more
meetings
or
they
can
maybe
change
it.
Change
them
a
little
bit
like
probably
having
less
meetings
like
two
per
month,
instead
of
one
every
week,
or
they
can
do
it
shorter
or
have
another
dynamics
within
them,
and
what
I
think
it's
interesting
is
that
if
the
pilot
goes
well,
we
we
can
have
we.
D
We
not
only
have
more
engagement
on
on
the
forum
or
discord
or
whatever
we
use,
but
also
we
may
see
people
from
each
working
group
sort
of
cross-collaborating.
D
We
may
end
up
with
access
to
more
and
better
information,
as
it
is
stamped
in
into
our
our
discussion
platforms,
and
that
was
pretty
much
it.
I
shared
the
document
with
gideon
with
libby
edu
and
some
others.
They
gave
me
great
feedback.
D
D
This
could
be
a
perfect
timing
because,
as
he's
in
parental
leave,
he
would
probably
benefit
from
from
working
asynchronously,
and
so
I
deemed
him
to
ask
like
what
does
he
think
could
be,
could
help
him
sort
of
stay
in
the
loop
of
the
tc
and
contribute
because
he
I've
seen
him
in
a
couple
of
calls,
he's
still
interested
in
trying
his
best
to
to
provide
more
value
and
and
yeah.
I
think
that's
that's
it
for
now.
I
don't
know
what
else
to
say
and
if
anyone
has
any
comments.
H
I
will
say
that
I
heard
a
similar
thing
in
the
gravity
group
just
about
an
hour
ago,
and
there
was
a
separate
proposal
for
that
and
I'll
continue
sort
of
bringing
up
that
we
yeah
the
async
management
is
a
different
thing
for
sure.
I
will
say
that
in
the
past
the
we
really
valued
a
collaboration
like
the
yes
and
sort
of
thing
you.
D
H
And
I
don't
know
where
else
we
can
do
that,
then
on
calls
you
know,
so
I
had
created
a
document
about
that.
That
kind
of
talked
about
how
we
I'd
observed
that
people
would
generally
operate.
You
know,
so
there
was
a
moderator,
who's
kind
of
holding
a
space,
and
there
was
what
we'd
already
done,
and
then
this
kind
of
generative
sets
of
discussions.
It
seems
like
what
you're
trying
to
do
is
say
there
might
be
a
way
to
do
all
of
this
without
having
to
be
in
meetings.
Is
that
right.
D
Yeah,
I
think,
like
millions
are
cool
and
we
should
definitely
keep
them,
but
I
think
like
I
think
I
should
be
able
to
contribute
meaningfully
to
the
tc
without
necessarily
ever
attending
a
meeting,
and
I
don't
think
that's
possible
right
now
or
probably
not
not
ever
attending
a
meeting.
But
I
shouldn't
have
to
to
come
to
a
meeting
like
every
single
week
to
be
able
to
engage
with
others
and
to
continue
my
work
or
whatever,
because
it's
it's
currently
really
hard
to
to
get
anything.
D
B
B
Actually
one
one
thought
is
in
my
last
job,
I
would
kind
of
like
have
meetings
like
you
know
that
were
kind
of
you
know
we
would
come
up
with
the
agenda,
maybe
a
couple
days
before
and
pull
stuff
together,
but
it
was
a
lot
of
like
getting
people
to
respond
on
the
spot
in
the
call
and
then
one
day
one
of
the
people
who
I
really
value
in
the
organization
pulled
me
aside
and
said
you
know
it
would
be
great
if
you
could
send
something
out
in
advance
or
that
we
have
something
I
could
work
on,
because
I'm
an
introvert-
and
you
know
introverts,
don't
like
to
be
surprised
with
things
like
this.
B
It's
very
it's
harder
for
me
to
actually
respond
on
the
spot.
I
like
to
have
some
time
to
be
able
to
think
about
it.
So
I
think
that
this
is
also
kind
of
there's
like
a
personality
thing.
That
is
it's
important
for
us.
If
we
really
want
to
like
be
able
to
tap
people,
that's
I
think,
that's
one
other
aspect
and
then
the
other.
B
Yeah,
so
I
think
that's
one
thing.
The
second
thing
is
that
I
think
you
know
I
just
feel
so
sorry,
sometimes
for
the
stewards
in
the
tc,
because
I
just
feel
like
the
stewards
are
just
like
being
pulled
from
one
meeting
to
the
next
and
everybody's
so
busy,
and
because
we
have
this
culture,
where
you
know
these,
these
meetings
are
so
important
to
getting
stuff
done.
B
I
I
just
feel
like
it
puts
a
lot
of
pressure
on
on
certain
people
who
are
like
really
key
to
like
work
getting
done
in
this
organization,
and
maybe
this
path
will
help
relieve
some
of
that
and
then
the
last
thing,
I'll
just
add,
is
that
we're
actually
kind
of
doing
a
version
of
this
right
now
in
the
writer's
guild
we
meet
every
other
week
and
we
try
to
do
these
kind
of
like
punctuated
almost
like
sprints,
we're
still
figuring
out,
because
we're
figuring
it
out
because
we're
pretty
new,
but
we
are
using
clarity
and
as
a
way
to
kind
of
manage
our
asynchronous
collaborations.
B
It's
pretty
young
effort
still,
but
I'm
actually
pretty
hopeful
that
there's
something
there's
something
here
and
I
guess
I
agree
that
there's
like
some
kind
of
like
maybe
working
group
level
types
of
things
that
might
be
better
for
clarity,
but
that
there's
like
community-wide
stuff
that
I
I
would
love
to
get
the
forum
more
active
for
those
kinds
of
like
broad
conversations
like
for
broadening
conversations.
So
sorry.
B
Yeah,
sorry
yeah,
it's
it's
a
relatively
new
software.
It
kind
of
looks
it's
like
a
mix
if
you
were
to
mix
zen
hub
with,
like
a
knowledge
graph
like
a
knowledge
management
tool
that
allows
you
to
do
wikis
and
things
like
that
and
then
also
d-work,
because
it
allows
you
to
do
bounties
and
like
do
token-based
rewards
and
things
like
that,
it's
a
very
cool
system,
very
cool
system.
This
is.
B
And
those
who
are
interested
in
learning
more
about
this,
I'm
actually
they
they
reached
out
because
they
found
out
that
they
learned
that
we're
using
it
for
the
writers
field,
and
so
I'm
actually
in
a
group.
That's,
I
think,
starting
next
week,
where
we're
gonna
get
like
an
hour
and
a
half
of
training
with
a
group
of
peers
and
just
kind
of
learn
from
from
each
other
on
how
they're
using
it.
So
if
people
have
questions
about
it
or
whatever
I'm
happy
to
answer
those
properly.
D
C
K
C
Okay,
yeah,
I
I
agree
with
gideon.
I
think
this
is.
This
is
really
great
to
have
something
on
that.
It's
a
it's
a
hard
culture
to
shift,
but
I
think,
as
we
start
doing
more
on
trying
more,
I
like
your
suggestion
that
a
few
working
groups
could
start
with
that
and
we
can
see
how
he
goes
in
the
beginning.
We
had
we
had
just
one
meeting.
That
was
the
community
call
and
the
idea
was
that
that
call
was
not
for
doing
work
or
for
discussing
so
much.
C
It
was
more
for
like
presenting
work
and
having
any
types
of
questions
or
suggestions
for
other
things
that
could
be
worked
on,
and
I
think
this
is
a
good
practice
we
could
embrace
again
to
like
where-
and
it
goes
with
what
you're
talking
about
gideon
that
we
come
to
the
call
already,
with
an
understanding
of
what's
going
to
be
presented,
the
material
is
available
in
advance,
and
then
people
can
look
at
it
and
and
come
with
questions
or
suggestions
for
how
to
how
to
change
that
for
divergences
or
things
that
need
to
be
debated.
C
Yeah
something
on
that
point
is,
I
agree
with
you
that
sometimes
I
mean
I
agree
that
the
time
management
could
be
way
better,
but
I
think
it's
very
important
to
have
introductions
and
to
give
space
for
everyone
to
talk
in
a
meeting
and
and
to
have
some
type
of
like.
Sometimes
it's
even
a
silly
question,
but
it
creates
a
warmth
that
I
think
it
reflects
in
the
community
in
a
way
that
it's
hard
to
understand
at
first,
even
in
the
community
college,
it's
been
like
20
minutes,
sometimes
30
minutes
on
praise.
C
D
Less
comment
on
the
topic.
What
I
was
really
envisioning
when
I
wrote
the
the
piece
well
was
I
took
the
like.
I
took
the
last
soft
call
as
an
inspiration,
so
we
talked
about.
We
were
supposed
to
talk
about
like
the
proposals
we
had
like
the
five
proposals.
D
Also
gideon
commented
on
his
chat
with
mz
and
all
of
that,
and
so,
for
example,
I
think
gideon's
chat
with
mc
would
have
been
perfect
for
a
forum
post
to
receive
more
facebook
for
more
feedback
and
to
have
all
the
information
sort
of
stamped
in
the
forum.
So
everyone
could
see
that
and
then
about
the
five
proposals
were
what
I
would
think
would
be
like
a
nice
format
for
self
got,
for
example,
would
be
like
we
work
on
them,
asynchronously,
using
clarity
or
whatever
we
feel
more
comfortable
with.
D
I
have
strategy
right
now,
open
and
so
like
when,
when
you
go
to
like
the
five
proposal,
streams
should
be
able
to
work
without
necessarily
entering
a
call
and
then,
if,
if
you,
if
you
enter
the
call,
the
call
is
more
like
helping
you
solve
any
blocker
or
providing
like
very
specific
feedback.
But
but
it's
not
like
the
the
the
work
revolves
around
talking
in
in
you
know
in
in
the
meeting.
So
like
that's
something,
I
think
that's
cool
from
from
clarity.
D
So,
like
you
can
have
the
meeting
you
can
convert
any
any
point
in
the
meeting
to
like
a
task
immediately
and
sort
of,
I
guess
sort
of
take
some
examples
from
from
a
management
and
put
that
into
software
or
something
like
that
and
that
leave
the
leave
the
work
for
each
one
agency
to
work
on.
However,
they
want
working
and
whichever
way,
without
necessarily
having
to
step
into
here-
and
so
I
think
that
goes
that
fits
well
with
what
bear
was
saying.
So
you
can
have
more
time.
D
You
can
have
things
prepared
in
advance
because
you
sort
of
expect
blokers
and
probably
you
have
like
a
list
of
blockers
that
that
you
may
want
to
solve.
You
come
to
the
code,
you
introduce
yourself
into
yourself
instructions,
you
explain
your
work,
your
blocker,
everyone
comments
in
the
blogger
gives
feedback
and
it
uses
some
sort
of
an
action
plan
to
solve
it
or
whatever.
D
I
think
that
would
be
probably
ideal,
and
then
things
like,
like
the
water
proposal
and
gideon's
chat
with
mc
and
whatever
should
be
better
off
on
asynchronously,
because
I
don't
think
they
are
like.
D
K
I
actually
agree
with
a
lot
that
has
been
said
and
another
thing
like
you
know
like
this
goalscore
culture
and,
first
of
all,
like
the
you
know,
when
I
first
came
to
the
dc
like
this
course
culture
was.
K
So
if
you
try
to
join
them,
all
it's
like
you
either
have
to.
You
know,
choose
so
yeah.
I
think,
like
I
wait.
You
know,
like
I
think,
like
goals
can
be
nice
to,
I
don't
know,
get
work
done
and
sing
with
the
team,
but
then
I
also
have
like
something
like
you
know
like
okay,
what?
If
I
don't
wanna
you
know,
engage
with
softball,
but
I
wanna
know
what
the
soccer
group
is
doing,
the
whole
time
so
yeah.
K
E
E
A
big
amount
of
of
people
in
the
same
call,
and
how
can
we
make
it
so
that
everyone
feels
hurt
and
something
that
we
don't
do
is
like
making
groups
for
these
check-ins
and
and
that
that
can
be
like
the
one-two
for
all
and
and
that
way
we
can
spend
less
time
making
it
that
everyone
can
still
hurt
and
participate
so
yeah.
E
I
think
that
not
everything
should
be
like
building
new
things
or
tools,
and
we
also
can
like
best
make
a
better
use
of
the
tool
of
some
tools
that
we
already
have
explored
yeah.
I
just
com,
liberating
structures
just
comes
into
my
mind
to
tackle
that
thing
of
of
how
to
make
everyone
feel
heard
and
participate.
You
know
when
there's
there's
a
big
group
of
people
and
like
this,
the
proposal
that
they
make
is
making
smaller
groups
but
yeah.
E
I
too
agree
that
asynchronous
work
is
something
that
would
benefit
a
lot
our
work,
because
sometimes
at
least,
I
feel
that
I
wait
a
week
to
meet
again
with
the
with
the
coordination
group
of
gravity
to
take
some
decisions,
and
it
would
be
better
to
move
without
that
timing.
Constraint.
C
So
it
sounds
like
we
have
two
options
of
tools
I
feel
like.
This
is
a
a
win
proposal
right.
Everybody
agrees
that
this
would
be
amazing
to
try
out
and
it
sounds
like
we
have
two
tools
or
practices
that
we
could
use,
either
liberating
structures
or
the
clarity
tool.
So
how?
How
can
we
move
forward
from
this?
Could
we
I
don't
have
much
awareness
into
any
of
them.
C
E
Yeah
for
sure
I
think,
durgadas
and
and
jeremy
are
really
well
well
informed
in
each
of
the
tools,
and
it
would
be
just
to
choose
like
two
or
three
that
that
are
made
exactly
for
the
for
the
needs
that
we
are
finding
in
the
tc
and
trying
to
reproduce
them
in
some
calls.
E
Also
having
this
kind
of
a
structure
of
that
auntie
was
mentioning,
I
think
it
would
be
just
to
have
a
call
with
durgadez
and
jeremy
and
trying
to
find
what
would
be
the
best,
liberating
structures
to
put
into
practice
for
our
needs.
H
H
But
then
you
know,
if
you
have
to
if
the
work
that
you're
doing
is
about
sorting
challenges,
then
then
there's
one
called
the
agreement
and
certainty
matrix
that
actually
sorts
things
into
simple,
complicated,
complex
and
chaotic
domains,
which
is
the
connection
stuff
that
I'm
talking
about
and
there's
like
30
of
these.
So
we
did.
I
just
feel,
like
you
know,
continuing
to
include
them
and
using
the
different
structures
across
different
domains.
You
know
would
be
good,
so
you
know
I
mean
it's
just
like
we're
often
talking
about.
H
How
is
it
that
we
measure
things?
This
is
a
thing
called
simple,
ethnography,
observe
and
record
actual
behaviors
of
users
in
the
field.
So
you
know
there's
just
what
are
we
doing
you
know.
Are
we
prototyping?
Well
guess
what
I've
got?
Improv
prototyping,
you
know
so
it
just
you
know
if
you're
trying
to
make
a
request,
there's
you
know
what
I
need
for
you
so
from
from
you,
so
there's
just
you
know
I
feel
like
just
having
some
either.
C
Yeah,
I
don't
know
why
I
feel
a
little
resistant
with
having
to
be
trained
on
something
to
to
use
it
like.
I
feel
like
that.
That
creates
another
demand
instead
of
a
solution
for
a
demand.
That
is
maybe
it's
something
that
could
be
integrated
slowly
long
term,
and
then
we
could
start
using
something
like.
H
That's
exactly
what
I'm
suggesting
that
we
just
slowly
over
time.
You
know
adopt
a
few
and
then
we
say:
okay!
Well,
are
there
others?
That's
why
I
got
these
cards
just
so
that
I
could
look
through
things
and
make
proposals
about
them
on
the
fly.
You
know
in
meetings
to
say
you
know
what
there's
a
liberating
structure
that
covers
this
nicely
and
you
know
there's
a
kind
of
service
reminders
for
me.
So.
D
I'm
not
really
familiar
with
liberty,
liberating
structures,
but
I
think
like
we
can
use
both
clarity
and
liberty
structures.
Clarity
is
like
a
piece
of
software
in
library
structures.
It's
like
more
like
cultural
against
or
something
like
that.
So
like
we
could.
We
could
try
to
come
up
with
just
one
proposal
that
gets
the
best
of
both
or
something.
H
Yeah,
maybe
within
clarity
we
could
say
there
are
different.
You
know
modes
that
we
could
use
to
you
know
and
then
just
write
down
what
the
liberating
structures
are,
so
that
when
we
go
to
have
something,
then
there
would
be
available
to
us
that
have
it
be
a
way
to
educate
ourselves
about
that
as
we
as
we
did.
The
work.
B
For
those
who
are
interested,
I
set
up
a
kind
of
an
exploration
space
in
clarity
and
right
now,
it's
just
empty
and
me,
but
I
can
send
an
invite
for
anybody
who's.
You
know
what
I'll
just
paste
it
in
the
soft
gov
channel
and
that
way.
If
anybody
wants
to
just
kind
of
explore
it
explore
the
tool
you
can,
you
can
do
that
and
like
around.
C
Yeah
nice,
thank
you
yeah,
let's
so
moving
forward,
let's
see
how
we
can
continue
to
integrate
both
those
suggestions,
liberating
structures
and
in
clarity.
C
And
we
can
hopefully
work
on
that
async.
We
can
discuss
along
the
week
how
to
use
that,
and
just
before
we
finish
this
call,
I
just
wanted
to
share
a
little
bit
more
on.
C
So
just
there's
an
explanation
of
how
we
would
like
to
build
a
metric
system
for
understanding
the
tc's
ecosystem,
health
based
on
astrum's
eight
principles,
and
then
there
is
a
list
of
like
what
are
some
examples
of
each
one
of
the
principles,
and
I
wrote
here
that
graduated
sanctions
need
a
little
bit
more
work
because
it
still
feels
somehow
unclear.
C
E
Yeah,
I
also
loved
the
the
thread
and-
and
I
also
think
that,
instead
of
overlapping,
we
should
try
to
integrate
and
coordinate
to
to
benefit
from
one
side
to
another.
What
we're
trying
to
do
with
with
gravity
and
the
psychology
research
is
to
have
a
survey
to
to
measure.
How
is
the
the
the
psychology
of
the
organization
and
take
decisions
based
on
that
and
also
repeat
the
tooling,
so
that
we
can
have
like
a
baseline
or
a
comparison
line
for
between
a
period
of
time?
E
And
I
think
that
the
one
that
anti-sent
in
the
chat?
It
was
amazing
that
I
I
looked
at
that
tool
and
I
think
we
can
sort
of
iterate
with
that
to
start
with
with
zero
and
yeah.
I
think
I
think
it's
it's
super
important
to
not
overlap
and
to
not
like
spend
resources,
do
on
the
same
thing,
but
like
be
able
to
coordinate
between
the
multiple
working
groups
that,
on
the
on
the
measuring
ta
ecosystem
health.
E
That
gravity
is
trying
to
to
measure
and
to
help
measuring
the
the
psychology
of
the
organization,
the
psychological
state
of
the
organization
and,
on
the
other
side,
about
liberating
structures.
E
I
felt
that
we
did
these
practice
groups
and
that
they
were
super
interesting,
but
I
felt
that
maybe
the
impact
on
the
organization
wasn't
so
big,
but
I
feel
that
right
now
that
we
had
a
group
that
was
like
more
trained
in
the
tools
that
were
the
the
the
people
that
participated
in
the
graviton
trainings,
they
can
be
multipliers
of
the
toolings
and
like
this
was
also
something
that
we
spoke,
that
deliberating
structures.
E
Practice
groups
would
have
been
really
super
useful
for
the
stewards,
but
there
were
few
steroids
that
were
participating
in
those
halls.
So,
right
now
that
we
saw
that
these
two
links
were
really
cool.
Now
we
have
to
like
care
more
for
the
for
the
for
the
implementation
and
for
the
social
appropriation
of
the
toolings.
C
Yeah
I
wanted
to
share
the.
I
don't
know
if
you
saw
the
questions
that
the
talent
dow
team
developed,
so
here
are
some
of
them
that
I
think
we
could
use
this
feels
like
a
lot
of
what
would
be
maybe
the
survey
you're
talking
about
and
the
psychology
access.
C
D
H
Yeah,
I
sure,
would
have
liked
to
see
more
stewards
in
the
liberating
structures
group.
I
think
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
in
terms
of
efforts
across
the
organization
and
that
changes
that
people
want
if
they
go
on
for
too
long.
We
end
up
with
a
lot
of
sort
of
novel
solutions,
but
those
things
could
often
be
you
know
fixed
by
implementing
and
competency
dealing
with
the
liberating
structures.
It's
extremely
beautiful
to
me.
So
thanks.