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A
Challenges
and
pleasures
of
being
in
a
self-managing
organization,
so
maybe
one
for
each
or
like
the
top
ones.
In
your
mind,
and-
and
you
can
start
by
saying,
like
how
many
dows
or
like
flat
organizations
you're
a
part
of
or
if
you're
new
to
this
and
then
what
has
been.
Your
experience,
like
from
the
one
we've
been
having
and
I'll
pass
to
manu
to.
B
B
C
D
Every
certain
amount
of
time
is
quite
useful
for
aesthetic
progress
and
clarity
and
transparency
for
the
organization
itself,
and
I
think
that
probably
the
challenge
was
that
that
review,
at
least
for
me,
came
almost
a
year
after
I
started,
so
it
will
be
interesting
to
have
that
that
and-
and
I
think
also
the
other
challenge
could
be
the
uncertainty
on
the
economic
aspect
from
the
house
in
general.
It's
not
about
tc
is
in
general.
D
I
think
those
are
so
sometimes
enthusiastic
and
they
have
amazing
work,
but
the
the
economic
side
of
it
is
not
necessarily
contribution
retribution
part
of
it
is
not
clear
because
we
are
still
in
the
process
of
experimenting.
So
I
think
that
that's
a
challenge
for
every
doll
and
then
on
the
pleasure
side.
D
I
think
that
the
fact
that
you're
working
organization
that
feels
horizontal
and
then
it
feels
empathic
and
it
feels
like
it's
a
community
rather
than
a
work,
is
one
of
the
biggest
pleasure
I
have
ever
had
with
a
with
an
organization
like
this
and
also
the
capacity
to
meet
people
on
the
same
one-on-one
level
like
I
rarely
meet
people
from
from
an
ego
perspective
like
I
don't.
I
haven't
had
any
session
with
someone
who
I
felt
was
like.
D
Oh
I'm
like
this
and
you
you
don't
know
me,
but
you
should
know
me
kind
of
attitude
that
you
have
in
the
real
world
and
I
feel
that
it's
so
valuable
to
build
up
upon
these
relationships
and
upon
these
organizations,
and
I
feel
that
maybe
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
people
are
introverts
helps
this.
So
I
think
the
this
is
for
me
one
of
the
biggest
pleasure
to
know
people
in
a
very
horizontal
space
and
a
one-on-one
capacity.
E
Thank
you
really
interesting
to
hear
all
this
so
I'd
say
I'm
now
sort
of
deep
within
three
communities
and
spiral,
and
then
the
two
downs
at
cptc
and
cs
and
now
dork
and
and
so
what
I've
noticed
about
challenges
is
actually
really
interesting,
because
I
see
slightly
the
opposite
of
eduardo
is
one
of
those.
I
think
it's
quite
challenging
to
find
real
intimacy
in
adele.
E
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
mixture
of
the
anonymity
and
kind
of
having
like
usernames
and
people,
don't
always
have
their
videos
on,
and
it
might
be
kind
of
not
being
deep
in
a
team.
But
I
find
that
really
getting
to
know.
People
is
quite
tough,
and
I
also
think
that
taking
real
ownership
of
things
can
be
quite
tough
in
this
space.
E
It's
hard
to
kind
of
get
grip
on
things
in
some
ways,
and
I
think
really
I
I
haven't
come
across
something
that's
truly
decentralized
in
how
I
picture
decentralization
in
my
head,
but
the
great
things
so
many
the
immense
diversity.
I've
never
worked
with
such
a
like
a
group
of
people,
it's
constantly
from
like
round
the
globe,
and
it's
so
helpful
to
have
that.
The
level
of
creativity
and
innovation
in
these
spaces
are
incredible.
E
F
Thank
you,
emery
yeah,
so
I've
participated
in
several
flight
organizations,
including
a
real
life
co-op,
which
is
a
whole
another
animal.
But
you
know
the
the
great
thing
about
flat
organizations.
Is
that
or
dials
in
particular.
I
guess
is
that
the
diversity
and
thought
in
my
opinion,
like
you
know,
I
I
always
come
to
to
engage
my
work
with
my
mindset
and
I
think
in
this
one
certain
way,
and
I
have
this
tendency
to
think
in
that
way
and
then
meeting
all
of
you.
F
G
Thanks
nate
yeah
for
me,
like
the
the
best
part,
is
like
when
you're
working
and,
for
example,
when
you're
in
a
normal
company
like
you're
working
and
you
feel
you're
making
rich
some
and
presario
in
english.
I
don't
know
like
you're,
making
great
someone
else
or
some
company
or
whatever,
and
when
you
are
working
here,
you're
advancing
in
this
case,
like
the
token
engineering
field
and
open
source
that
is
helping
the
world
so
and
you're.
G
It's
not
like
you're
working
for
someone
else
like
you're
working
to
make
the
world
better
and
it
feels
yeah.
It
feels
good,
and
I
also
agree
with
what
manu
was
saying
like,
especially
on
dallas:
you
get
to
choose
which
tasks
do
you
want
to
do
and
you
have
more
freedom
in
in
that
aspect
like
yeah,
you
have
to
choose
like
your
schedules,
your
stuff,
like
yeah,
everything
and
and
the
the
hardest
part
probably
is
like
yeah.
G
A
A
That
is
a
meeting
point
and
that,
because
it's
so
new
people
had
different
backgrounds
to
start
with,
like
nobody
in
our
generation
was
born,
a
crypto
native,
so
everyone
comes
with
like
comes
from
somewhere
else,
so
that's
really
exciting
and
the
challenges
yeah
definitely
reconditioning
the
mind
for
understanding
like
proactivity
and
yeah,
this
build-up
of
of
agency
and
self-sovereignty
and
how
I
don't
think
freedom
exists
by
like
one
person
can
be
free
by
themselves.
I
think
it
has.
A
Everyone
has
to
have
a
certain
level
of
freedom
for
one
to
experience
freedom.
So
it's
also
like
somehow
like
yeah,
it's
interesting,
how
it
evolves
in
this
process.
It's
kind
of
slow,
the
change
of
environmentality,
but
also
so
much
is
happening
in
the
space.
So
there
is
this
clash
in
behavior,
but
that
it
makes
us
evolve
faster.
I
think
and
I'll
pass
to
temp.
H
So
there's
some
construction,
which
you'll
probably
hear,
and
I
apologize
for
that
in
advance,
but
so
I
think
that
I
think
the
original
question
was
experience
in
self-managing
organizations
and
I'd
say
yes,
and
no,
if
we're
talking
about
dao,
specifically
like
decentralized
self-managing
organizations
or
autonomous
organizations,
not
really
you
know,
this
was
really
my
first
experience.
So
I
think
I'm.
H
I
think,
I'm
very
fortunate
to
have
found
this
particular
group
actually
well
for
a
lot
of
reasons
where
I'll
start
talking
about
the
pleasures
of
working
with
a
self-managing
organization,
but-
and
my
previous
experience
has
always
been
mostly
traditional,
traditionally
hierarchical
right,
so
corporations
and
you
know,
sony
music.
There
was
very
much
a
hierarchy,
but
then
I
went
to
google
and
there
was
like
they're
they're.
They
consider
themselves
a
very
flat
organization
and
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
self-initiative
there.
Actually
you
could
do
whatever
you
wanted.
H
As
long
as
you
decided.
What
it
is
you
wanted
to
do,
wrote
out
a
little.
You
know
a
plan
for
it
and
then
just
got
started
on
it,
and
then
I
came
to
france
and
was
working
with
a
management
consulting
company.
So
it's
back
to
this
very
hierarchical
structure,
and
I
took
a
few
years
off
and
worked
for
myself,
which
is
you
know.
H
I'm
going
to
start
talking
and
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
pleasures
too.
So
you
know
this
is
a
huge
cool
experiment
in
culture.
You
know
not
just
in
technology
so
being
able
to
participate
in
this
experiment
and
knowing
that
with
each
iteration,
we're
getting
closer
to
something
that
will
be
more
resilient
and
more
sustainable.
H
H
H
One
of
the
challenges
like
one
of
the
pleasures
is
there's
low
barriers
and
it's
really
initiative
and
intrinsic
motivation,
and
if
you
want
to
do
something,
you
can
just
grab
two
people
and
do
it
with
them,
and
it's,
I
think,
requires
summary
training,
because
it
maybe
is
not
intuitive
immediately
that
that
that's
the
case,
because
it's
quite
unlike
a
lot
of
other
environments,
we
we
might
have
participated
in
in
the
past
and
the
people.
You
know
when
you're,
at
least
this
experience
with
this
style
and
other
dow's
two.
H
You
know
one
hive
or
or
medic
cartel,
like
people
are
there,
because
they
really
want
to
be
there.
It's
really
different
than
traditional
organizations
where
you
have
to
be
there
because
you're,
a
part
of
this
organization
for
a
cultural
reason
or
you
want
me
to
be
there
to
get
paid
everyone
here
is
because
they
really
want
to
be
here
and
they
they
really
want
to
work
on
this
with
this
group
of
people.
H
H
We
that's
that's
something
I
think
that
there's
you
know
more
work
to
figure
out
how
to
do
that.
Well,
I
think
what
we're
using
with
advice
process
is
really
a
huge
step
forward,
because
you
want
everyone
to
have
an
opinion,
but
making
sure
we,
everyone
has
an
opinion,
and
consensus
is
also
prohibitively
time
consuming
in
many
cases
or
unnecessary,
wasteful
time,
wasteful
in
other
cases,
so
trying
to
fight
the
right
balance
between
having
voices
heard,
but
also
being
able
to
execute
things
within
reasonable
time.
H
Frames
is
sort
of
that
that
challenge
and
then
other
challenges.
You
know
I
actually
really
love
that
we
are
that
we
are
remote,
but
I
would
say
maybe
having
more
physical
contact
with
more
people,
I
would
say
is,
is
a
challenge.
I
think
I
would
like
personally
to
see
a
lot
of
you
more
often,
and
I
thought
the
time
that
we
had
with
some
of
us
in
paris
was
quite
nice
to
physically,
be
in
the
same
space
and
and
have
very
like
long
walks
in
the
street
together
and
walk
and
talk.
I
Those
those
are
the
challenges
that
I've
been
focused
on.
You
know
the
positive
part
of
that
is
that
the
fact
that
we're
experimenting
and
creating
all
this
stuff
just
puts
us
in
if
we're
talking
about
the
connection
framework
here
the
complex
side
of
that
picture,
right
away
and
so
yeah,
so
there's
going
to
be
almost
an
inherent
bias
toward
that.
Just
because
we're
all
trying
to
do
the
best,
and
I
think,
a
lot
of
the
things
that
people
talked
about
today.
I
I
literally
never
know
the
what
the
entire
elephant
looks
like,
and
so
I
have
to
be.
You
know
happy
with
like
petting
its
head
or
something.
So
that's.
That's
all
fine
and
I've
learned
a
lot
from
that
process
and
yeah.
It's
a
better
pleasure
for
me,
because
I
still
don't
really
know
all
that
much
about
anything
about
token
engineering
and
yet
somehow
I
I've
found
a
place
among
all
of
you.
I
So
that
is
the
probably
the
single
biggest
pleasure
for
me
in
terms
of
and
and
has
a
huge
impact
on,
the
the
structure
is
just
how
incredibly
inclusive
it
is
and
how
accepting
it
is
and
how
kind
everyone
is
in
terms
of
allowing
people
like
me
to
participate
and
contribute
significantly.
So
thank
you.
J
That's
really
important
to
me
and
I
like
working
with
people
who
feel
that
ownership.
You
know
that
they
don't
have
to
get
yeah.
So
I
really
like
that.
Challenges,
of
course,
are
coordination
and
communication.
It's
just
so
much
work
to
get
everyone
on
the
same
page,
moving
in
the
same
direction
when
you
don't
have
this
clear,
hierarchical
structure,
so
yeah
I'll
keep
it
short
and
I'll
pass
it
to
nate.
K
K
I
think
this
is
coming
up
a
lot
in
in
the
dial
that
we're
currently
building
is
like
an
office
might
be
a
good
idea
sometimes,
but
I
also
don't
know
if
it
is
a
good
idea,
because
I
do
like
going
around
so
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
contradicting
point
but
yeah
I
I
really
enjoy
it.
Otherwise
I
wouldn't
be
in
it,
and
I
think
you
know
I
think,
like
in
history.
Everybody's
always
just
wanted
to
do
exactly
what
we're
doing,
and
finally
we
get
to
do
it.
So
that's
awesome,
so
yeah.
L
Okay,
I
think
that
the
pleasures
are
to
be
able
to
work
from
different
parts
of
the
world
and
also
to
meet
people
from
different
parts
of
the
world,
and
also
a
big
pleasure
is
to
escape
economic
traps
that
are
leveraged
on
historical
inequalities,
like
yeah
being
paid
less
just
because
you
were
born
in
a
certain
part
of
the
world.
I
think
we
escape
that
and
like
we
are.
L
That
is
very
important
work,
but
it's
just
repeating
tasks,
but
I
think
that
here
we
we
have
new
challenges
every
day
and
I
think
and-
and
I
think
that
connects
to
the
challenges
because,
as
as
we
have
as
we
are
innovating,
there
is
so
much
things
to
do
and
so
much
rabbit
holes.
That
is
difficult
to
keep
up
with
everything
and
as
we
are
building
new
things-
and
we
are
also
an
adventuring
in
the
unknown
so
every
time
that
we
do
something
we
are.
L
We
are
also
struggling
with
our
uncertainty
but
yeah.
I
think
that's
a
challenge,
but
that
also
connects
to
to
a
pleasure
that
I
feel
that
we
are
not
just
staying
in
that
in
our
comfort
zone,
but
rather
that
we
are
escaping
our
comfort
zone
to
find
new
zones
that
that
can
be
better
for
ours
for
ourselves
and
others.
A
Awesome,
thank
you.
You
said
you
wrote
it
so
I
didn't
take
notes.
Can
you
post
the
your
birthday
cool
thanks
everybody?
So
then
the
first
point
of
the
agenda
I
wanted
to
address
is
from
another
call
that
this
points
were
raised
by
my
manu
of
what
do
we
do
about
proposal
lobbying?
So
how
would
this
become
a
problem?
What
how
do
we
address
it
is.
Is
that
something
we
should
address
and
and
what
is
that?
Even
so,
do
you
want
to
expand
a
little
bit
on
that
for,
like
a
minute
mana.
B
B
B
Conflict
of
interest,
of
course,
is
closing
if
you're
a
border
and
also
a
perspective
prospective
grantee
and
perhaps
also
like
you
cannot
attempt
to
persuade
or
inform
us
after
a
certain
time,
for
example,
just
something
like
they
do
with
voting
like
after,
like
12
hours
before
the
vote
happens,
there's
no
more.
You
know
trying
to
talk
to
people
and
inform
them
about
what
your
proposal
is
about,
etc,
and
on
decision
making
just
having
a
explicit
list
of
cognitive,
biases
and
trying
to
figure
out
if
we're
falling
on
them.
B
As
as,
as
we
vote
on
the
process
and
on
consultation,
you
know
empirical
evidence
versus
opinion
like
filling
something
that
yeah
just
showing
something
more
scientific
in
terms
of
just
your
opinion
of
how
you're
going
to
do
this
and
then
oversight.
That's
for
transparency
to
deal
with
and
sanctions,
of
course,
having
graduated
negative
incentives.
If
people
do
not
comply
to
these
rules-
and
really
I
don't
want
this
to
be
restrictive
at
all-
it
might
seem
restricted
at
first.
B
A
I
I
was
just
gonna
say
that
I
also,
I
don't
also
don't
think
we
do
a
good
enough
job
of
trying
to
figure
out
in
which
of
the
these
connection
places
that
the
decision
space
is
in.
So
are
we
dealing
with
something?
That's
clear:
are
we
dealing
with
something
that's
complicated,
the
ie?
We
should
get
an
expert
in
to
deal
with
it,
so
the
advice
process
is
then
relevant
in
that
situation.
I
It
would
just
be
good,
I
think,
to
to
be
able
to
have
a
look
at
this
and
when
we're
initially
collaborating
to
figure
out
where
that
decision
space
is
or
what
components
of
it
might
be
in
what
decision
spaces
and
then
it
might
then
help
us
to
figure
out
which
people
are
relevantly.
You
know,
can
contribute
to
the
solution
of
that
problem.
F
Yeah,
I
was
going
to
say
with
the
in
terms
of
lobbying
like
it's:
it's
not
something
that
you
can
prevent
and
so
from
a
public
policy
perspective
like
the
way
they
develop
public
policy.
If
you
can't
stop
something,
then
you
you
make
sure
it's
you
know
it's
a
you
allow
it
completely,
but
within
your
own
structure,
and
so
if
we
do
have
a
system
of
lobbying
that's
going
to
occur,
then
we
need
to
have
a
process
that
is
associated
with
it.
Which
means
you
know,
maybe
you
can
only
use
your
own
personal
social
media.
F
You
can't
use
the
tec
commons,
media
channels,
you
can't
do
certain
aspects
and
so
setting
rules
around
like
the
actual
dao
platforms
and
limiting
the
lobbying
from
happening
on
those
platforms
is
a
really
good
start
but
yeah.
I
just
I
don't
think
it's
something
that
you
will
ever
be
able
to
stop,
especially
within
a
decentralized
context,
but
I
do
think
that
it's
really
important
to
say:
hey.
Not
only
is
it
is
it
allowable,
but
you
can
participate
in
this
way
and
encourage
it
and
that
type
of
participation.
H
Can
I
just
yeah
this
is
one
step
up.
Actually
sorry,
maybe
it's
maybe
just
to
set
my
own
framework
when
we're.
Maybe
we
could
even
describe
the
proposals
we're
talking
about.
Are
we
talking
about
proposals
like
lobbying,
for
proposals
to
upgrade
to
the
commons
upgrade
or
a
proposal
for
funding?
For
a
you,
know,
research
or
proposals
for
funding
for
dao
operations,
or
all
of
you
know
all
of
these
proposals.
B
B
Is
more
for
for
the
the
ones
that
give
grants?
I
think
those
are
the
ones
that
present
the
more
obvious
conflict
of
interest
for
the
ones
within
governance
we
should.
We
ought
to
also
have
a
process
that
needs
to
be
more
refined,
maybe
but
definitely
not
as
restricted
as
the
other
one.
So
I
was
thinking
more
towards
the
grants
and
to
to
go
on
with
nate
said.
Definitely
I
it
was
never
my
intention.
I
do
not
want
to
prevent
lobbying.
I
think
it's
a
basic
part
of
human
nature.
B
A
I
think
this
is
part
of
this
rebel
nature-
of
wanting
to
break
the
rules
with
something
that
you
already
know.
It's
not
incentivized
in
a
in
an
environment.
So
I,
in
my
opinion,
the
best
way
to
deal
with
this
is
what
we've
been
doing
like
all,
along
just
that,
having
a
culture
of
transparency
and
of
like
inclusivity
and
that
debates
are
like
highly
promoted
and
that
people
have
space
to
talk
about
things
in
a
way
that
they
don't
have
to
go
on
the
side
and
and
talk
to
someone.
A
F
Yeah,
I
would
only
I
would
say
that
the
only
thing
that
I
would
really
consider
as
a
rule
would
be
that
any
type
of
collective
voice,
like
any
platform
that
has
a
kind
of
a
collective
tec
voice,
whether
it
be
our
forum
or
medium
or
twitter,
or
whatever
that
they
that
they
stay
neutral
completely.
All
the
time
like
that
should
be
a
standard
approach.
A
A
Yeah
yeah.
I
agree
that
that
twitter
maybe
medium
only
if
it's
like
a
guest,
a
guest
post
that
is
posted
by
the
person
it
can
have
like
opinionated
stance
and
and
that
if
people
want
to
like
share
openly
their
opinions,
they
can
go
to
the
forum.
But
then
definitely
twitter
needs
to
be
like
a
neutral
voice,
because
it's
the
organization
and.
H
I
I
What
manu
told
me
was
that
he
basically
said
that
he
was
sad
that
that
decision
making
was
broken
to
the
extent
that
we
ended
up
losing
a
very
valuable
person,
and
we
didn't
want
to
repeat
that
in
the
future
and-
and
so
so
I
think
it's
an
important
context
to
just
talk
about.
I
also
find
that
we
tend
to
be
a
little
bit
less
focused
on
educating
people
as
our
base
assumption
and
rather
informing
people
as
our
base
assumption.
I
B
Yeah
I
I
want
to
say
that
the
reason
why
I
brought
this
is
it's
it's
based
on
personal
experience
like
I'll,
give
you
an
example.
I
I
use
myself
as
an
example.
Okay,
I
came
in,
I
did
work,
I
did
some
work
and
then
we
got
to
a
point
where
I
saw
that
the
other
company
I
worked
for
workahol
could
provide
some
services
for
the
tc
and
I
put
on
a
trace
for
it.
B
There
was
a
conflict
of
interest
where
I
could
have
overcharged
the
tc,
because
I
got
a
commission
from
the
client
that
I
closed
from
workahold
and
I
could
have
overcharged
tc
and
double
dipped
in
terms
of
okay.
I
could
have
gotten
you
know,
commission
from
there
and
then
also
tokens
from
the
tc.
So
really
what
I
did
was.
I
got
no
commission
from
them
and
I
picked
you
know
a
median
price
for
for
the
for
the
making
of
the
video
and
that's
the
way
internally.
B
I
resolved
it,
but
really
my
conscience
was
the
only
thing
stopping
me
from
gaining
the
current
structure
that
we
have
so
what's
what's
from
stopping
other
people
from
coming
in
and
providing
services
and
even
like,
maybe
you
could
have
gotten
someone
else
to
do
a
better
video
than
the
one
I
provided
I
mean.
That's,
that's
that's
fair,
so
I
don't
think
that's
something
that
ought
to
be
addressed.
Sooner
or
later
I
mean
right
now:
it's
fine
we're
we're
frosted
seed.
We
trust
one
another
we're
transparent
but
later
on
like
is
it
gonna
scale?
B
I
I
I
do
agree
with
levy
that
I
do
not
like
these
rules
and
the
fact
that
we
have
rules.
There's
gonna
be
going
around
them
and
there's
a
rebel
culture.
So
I
think
we
we,
if
we
don't,
create
some
sort
of
culture
around
it.
I
don't
even
need
it.
It
doesn't
even
need
to
be
rules
but
don't
feel
like
implied
considerations
around
it.
Like
some
of
the
ones
nate
mentioned,
then
we
allow
things
to
operate
outside
of
the
realm
of
what
we
might
consider
ethical.
A
A
We
have
to
be
very
careful
about
what
are
the
the
guidelines
or
the
practices.
I
think
it's
better
to
have
like
a
live
practices
of
transparency
and
open,
sharing
and
inclusivity
that
are
like
somehow
our
roles
like
our
standards
that
we
operate
from,
but
that
are
not
like
directly
restrictive
or
but
then
to
the
example
that
you
you
bring.
So
one
thing
to
just
clarify
that
the
the
proposal
you
were
submitting
was
to
the
common
stack
that
is
supporting
the
development
of
the
tec.
A
Now,
so
it
wasn't
a
proposal
to
the
tc,
and
when
proposals
are
coming
to
the
tec,
they
will
have
a
different
visibility,
and-
and
this
is
a
really
good
point,
actually
that
we
should
include
in
the
proposal
template
and
it
connects
to
the
next
topic
that
we're
going
to
talk
about.
In
my
opinion,
we
shouldn't
allowed
third
parties
to
be
involved
in
proposals
without
them
addressing
themselves
or
being
connected
to
the
dao.
A
Somehow,
because
I
think
this
is
or
at
least
that's
what
I've
seen-
that
a
lot
of
lack
of
accountability
happens
when
this
happens,
so
it's
like
a
middleman
in
between
a
service
and
a
pro
and
a
financial
provider,
and
and
then
this
person
just
drops
because
they
don't
have
nothing
to
lose
in
this
or
they
don't
have
skin
in
the
game
in
this
organization.
So
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
point
of
limitation
that
we
could
have
in
proposal
making.
F
A
Yeah,
like
let's
say
you
like,
you
want
to
develop
something
for
the
tc,
but
you
are
hiring
a
developer
that
nobody
knows
or
like
you're
or
like
manu's
example,
that
he
was
hiring
content
production
that
no
one
here
has
contact
with
them.
So
he
he
becomes
this
like
middle
man
between
a
transaction
that
it's
not
him.
B
No,
I
agree
just
to
clarify
I
I
worked.
I
work
at
that
company,
so
I
do
have
skiing
in
the
game
on
both
sides,
but
if
I
hadn't
then
that
company
would
definitely
be
yeah
they
they
wouldn't
have
a
stake
on
it,
so
they
could
have
done
a
a
poor
job
at
it.
Then
I
mean
they
already
received
the
money
so
so
yeah.
I.
D
D
We
should
have
just
created
enough
kind
of
boundaries
to
understand
how
we
are
going
to
receive
these
people
in
case
they
are
needed
or
services
in
case
they
are
needed,
but
just
allowing
people
that
are
part
of
this,
of
the
ecosystem
of
half
in
the
game.
It's
a
little
bit,
I
think
it's
contrary
intuitive
for
the
nature
of
the
of
the
program.
A
But
julia
got
involved
with
us
right
like
she
was
talking
to
everybody
she
was
present.
I
feel
like
people
that
we
don't
have
the
contact
to.
You
know
what
I
mean
like.
Oh
for
me
to
talk
to
somebody.
I
need
to
talk
to
somebody
else.
First,
that's
what
I
mean
like
having
a
middle
person.
That
is
the
point
of
contact
kind
of
thing.
H
H
F
F
A
Yeah,
I
think
yeah
and
escrow-
it's
really
really
important.
I
think
I
don't
think
there
is
any
easy
solution
in
the
dow
space
yet
because
this
is
like
a
common
problem.
I
think
there
are
some
maybe
like
the
milestone
kind
of
solves
that
like
asking
for
less
funds
and
then
people
being
really
involved
and
then
and
the
give
yeah
griff
you're
gonna
explain
that
better.
J
Yeah
well,
the
problem
with
giveth
is
that
it's
only
on
main
net,
so
it
wouldn't
work
for
us,
but
yeah.
It's
a
that's
what
it
honestly
that's
how
it
was
first
designed
was
exactly
to
address
this
problem.
Then
we
went
more
into
charity
instead.
So
I
I
don't
think
it
solves
the
problem
for
us,
because
it's
only
on
mainland
right
now,
I
think
the
easiest
default
is
and
it
can
be
imposed
culturally,
is
just
to
have
a
multi-sig
with
the
money
goes
to
this
multi-sig
and
it
has
these
people
as
signers.
J
You
know
as
livia
and
and
juan
carlos
and
septimus
as
as
signers
with
me
with
me
and
my
partner,
and
it
has
to
be.
You
know
three
of
three
of
five
signatures
for
the
money
to
be
released,
but
that's
what
receives
the
payment
out
of
conviction,
voting
and
that's
not
hard.
A
gnosis
safe
works
on
next
day
and
then
all
three
of
you
guys
would
be
reviewers
effectively.
A
J
I
think
it's
useful
in
those
cases
where
an
outside
group
comes
in
requesting
funds
that
has
no
credibility,
and
then
they
can
gain
their
credibility
through
that
escrow.
But
I
do
think
in
most
cases
a
lot
of
the
funds
will
just
like.
If
you
look
at
one
hive
and
who
receives
funds,
it's
people
who
are
active
in
the
community
that
have
trust
in
the
community
and
when
you
come
from
outside
the
community
and
you
request
funds,
you
can
even
look
at
get
coin.
When
you
come
from
outside
the
community
and
request
funds
it
just
fails.
J
There
was
a
really
cool
project
that
was
trying
to
do.
They
wanted
to
do
get
gtc
one
and
it'd
be
like
a
stable
coin,
backed
by
git
coin,
and
it
was
just
like
a
lot
of
comments
were
just
like
yeah.
But
who
are
you?
We
don't
know
you
you
know,
and
then
you
look
at
the
next
proposal
and
it's
yaler
simona
pop
and
these
other
people
who
are
delegates
in
the
space,
give
them
45
000
gtc
and
who
knows
what
they'll
do
with
it,
but
they'll
help,
and
then
they
just
get
the
money.
H
A
C
A
Cool
thanks
for
sharing
well
time,
management
in
this
call
was
really
bad.
I'm
sorry,
we
did
have
three
other
topics
that
are
not
like
that.
We
won't
have
time
to
talk
about
them.
I
just
want
to
mention
so
so
we
have
it
for
for
next
time
and
we
can
also
like
engage
in
in
other
ways
but
so
guidelines
for
proposal
making.
I
think
we
started
to
touch
on
this
by
this
conversation
that
came
from
proposal
lobbying
into
what
should
be
allowed
in
proposal
making.
A
H
A
Not
a
good
idea,
it's
good
to
have
like
a
cultural
yeah,
just
a
cultural
interaction
until
trust
is
built
and-
and
then
last
thing
I
wanted
to-
and
something
else
that
I
think
needs
to
be
added.
There
is
like
suggest,
small
milestones
and
explain
more
how
conviction
voting
works
and
then
the
other
topic
I
wanted
to
touch
on
is
this
decision
tracking.
So
I
was
going
one
by
one
of
these
proposal,
links
and
reading
all
of
them
and
making
notes
here
of
what
is
still
relevant.
A
What
is
not
relevant
anymore,
so
if
anyone
also
wants
to
do
that,
you're
invited
now,
there's
just
half
I'll,
probably
finish
this
today,
but
it's
also
good
to
have
other
looks,
and
maybe
next
call
we
can
talk
about
some
of
those
insights
from
from
our
past
proposals,
and
I
think
there
are
very
interesting
ones
and
then
last
thing
was
advice
process
that
zaptimizes
working
on.
So
I
wanted
to
give
him
space
to
show
off
his
work
and
share
a
bit
of
what
we've
been
collaborating
there.
A
F
I
was
going
to
mention
if
anybody
is
interested
in
a
hackathon
matteo
and
I
are
going
to
be
participating
in
the
boardroom
hackathon
starting
on
august
17th,
so
if
anybody's
interested
we're
going
to
work
on
multi-sig
and
treasury
stuff,
so
if
you're
interested
just
hit
me
up
and
we'll
get
you
on
boarded
so
yeah.
Thank
you.