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From YouTube: W14 Transparency WG: Digital security documentation, audit, BOT updates, YouTube description

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00:00 - Intentions and distractions
2:36 - Call recorders
3:35 - Digital security documentation
5:54 - Audit
19:28 - BOT updates
24:46 - YouTube description

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A

If someone has some, I will share my screen first and if someone have some items for the agenda, please share wait. I need to.

A

Wait for some reason I cannot share my browser.

A

Now: okay, my intention for the call: let's go through the agenda. I just added some topics there I wanted to discuss and yeah. I don't have any distraction and the items I had to add. I actually add them there so I'll pass it to ivy.

B

Thanks, zab um yeah, so my intentions are to sync with you, since we don't, we didn't meet last week and I also wanted to talk. I added the youtube description in our agenda, so we can finalize it. So those are my intentions and I don't have any distractions. So I'm passing it to three.

C

Thank you, avi um uh intentions for today, uh just think in in general, with you guys, also um I'd like to uh follow up on the bot, because uh uh I can't really ask how how uh everything is and and- and I feel that I know like some people that could uh contribute to this so uh yeah and distractions- not really distractions, but I I just woke up like on carlos too, so I I might be a little drowsy but yeah I'm here I'll, pass it to juan.

D

Thanks chewie, yes, my intention as well is to start this week with transparency and like um sync, with with you guys on on all the tasks that are for this week and also to um post my name in the call recorder agenda for some calls and yeah. I don't have any distractions.

A

Yeah, thank you guys for being so early and I'd be so late yeah. I appreciate so much uh okay that jumps to the agenda. Okay, like the first topic, is uh add our names in here. Oh.

E

A

Have it open, uh yeah, okay, so ivy is doing transparency and legal and you one are doing soft and gravity. I guess right. Yes,.

A

Okay, cool: did you have the chance to record like the last community called fun, even if, at the end, I don't you know like, I don't need it, but.

D

A

A backup, if something happens, that'd be great. Okay, I could do it. I could do it. Okay, awesome! It's! I think it's like the most important call, since there is the price there, so we don't miss it like. If something happens to my record like if we have someone like backing it up, I think that'd be super cool.

A

Okay, awesome, okay, next topic,.

A

Okay, yeah uh for the digital security documentation. uh I we already have uh a key base where we have like all the information there, but it's not really transparent like if some new contributors wants to join the community- and I don't know- let's say they want to contribute on the medium or whatever like they.

A

Don't they don't know who to ask permissions or yeah how to manage the the the credentials for the just for adding uh stuff and with nate he had the amazing idea of making it available for everyone on the on the get book like not the credentials, but the points of content and the and the steps to follow just to to get to get to get in and yeah. I just wanted to share with you guys and if someone wants to contribute, we might.

A

I have a call with nate today uh before common swarm, but it's still not fixed so yeah because yeah, we normally do that time, but he still has to confirm and yeah just wanted to say that if someone has something to say regarding that, please.

F

A

And if not, we jump into the next one.

B

uh Do you need any? um How can we uh assist you in that I mean? Is there any action that you need from us or help? How can we help you with that.

A

I guess I I think you guys should should join the keyways, uh because that's where we share the credentials, um but regarding the preparing documentation, we are going to do a hacksas and we are just you know like pasting. The information there if someone's joined, feel free to walk to join and yeah. If not, we are just going to do it. It's not a hard task to be.

A

Honest okay, the the next point is the the audit and in this bullet we have like two two points to no. I don't know the english word, but to point at two points to address right and one being the the this spring. We commit to do the comms uh audit and since two is here, do you want to give us some updates and how is it going and if you need some help from us.

C

um Like to be to to be uh very honest with you, something was like. I didn't really have the time during the weekend uh to go through it. um I was mainly uh uh taking care of us some other stuff, but um let me uh have something ready for you uh today and uh so so far, I'm I'm good, uh but uh I'll yeah I'll I'll I'll give something to you uh uh today, so so that I can. I can check mainly if I'm in in the right track.

A

Cool yeah, I mean the thing is like the it's actually like. The community is monitoring it. It doesn't have to be me or ivy, or even transparency, but but yeah. If you just need some help, we we're here to help uh the idea is you know like I, I we really did a small session and yeah like the steps, is fill up this excel and then just post it on the on the forum on the session of the outage so yeah, then the community can.

B

E

B

Wanted to add something about the audit. Maybe we can um promote more the use of advice process when we uh audit the working groups, because I think it's a very important process that we often um uh take for granted. Like um you know, there are many uh new things going on, and sometimes we forget to that, it's a community.

B

uh You know we should be like, um should we the community should be participating in. You know in everything that we do when there is a decision that has to be made that will affect the majority. I think we should uh like um yeah, promote more days of advice, process.

A

Personally, I feel when they are posting on the forum.

A

Like we were discussing, some calls before like either was saying like the advice process is mostly for the proposals, and since we have like now our forum section uh yeah, I think when they post in the forum a community can engage and- and they can also ask for help in there, but yeah. I'm totally open to hear more finished.

B

uh Yeah, I think advice presents really mainly for proposals but, for example, when there will be changes in the community or yeah, for example the uh I feel like, um for example, when we decide, especially in the medium um the tale of two mediums.

B

I don't know if it should go through that vice press, I mean, because we have an seo issue there right now and um if we decide that um one should be taken down or not, I think it should go through the advice process and uh it's just my personal feeling or opinion that um yeah that uh we cannot just.

B

uh This is just in just one case, but it can also happen in the future, in other cases that, if there's a decision that has to be made- and uh I think it's good to have the feedback from the community first before we do something like that or it's just one example.

A

From that part, but I don't know you know like.

B

A

The other process.

B

Oh, no, no, not the order itself, but what I mean is when we audit or when we have conversations with the working groups about the audit like uh what we want to do is like uh give them recommendations on how to be more, um how to be more transparent, and I think, using the advice process is one way to be more transparent in the community, so yeah, just like a little uh nudge to or like a little reminder to everyone to use the advice process when there are major decisions that have to be made.

B

A

Yeah yeah, I think yeah yeah one more thing regarding, like the the thing you were talking before, I saw on telegram. I guess I saw it uh like.

A

uh I think, like nate was asking for deleted dc commons medium thing, but then craig, who is in charge of the medium post was not happy because if he he don't, he doesn't want to make this post on their entertaining so yeah. There was a little conflict there and yeah. I think that's why we before we taking things on. We should, uh you know, discuss it as a community and yeah, but yeah. I don't think that's a transparency thing. uh That's more like a a process to follow.

A

D

Oh sorry, go ahead. I think I agree with uh ivy with uh that. Maybe we can promote more that people like check the results of the audits.

D

um I don't know um how has been the interaction um with with in the forum with the with the audits um but um yeah. We can for sure tell people to interact more with them and at the they also. I also think that maybe, as this is the first audit, um it doesn't have like that much participation, but I think that um we are going to have like this is like our baseline, and the good thing about the audits is that they are going to be periodic periodical.

D

So, if the so like when right now, when things are like good it, it may be like a little bit passed over or but when um a specific issue arises, um this this is going to be um super important um to to to identify keys of improving. So so yes, I think that um the audits are going to prove their importance in in some time, but um we can also foster people to interact more with the results of the of what we have now.

A

Yeah, I I agree like we should promote it more, but at the same time, this we're having some some interaction, especially like, for example, on the hatches already uh audi. Let me see where is it? Is it gone? Oh, no, yeah, sorry we're here.

A

There was some discussion in here because uh we were hatches of rich was uh adding some stuff like boss. Hats and lady was thinking that maybe that working group is not going to do something about postcards and, and then it was some discussion in here that I think is super interesting like and it would be nice. Like hearing other points of view, uh we already have ivy tom and edward me talking in here, but yeah keep giving away our opinions and yeah I mean there is still not consensus.

A

What's the the next steps for that, but the thing is like the community is getting engaged and and yeah.

A

The idea is like this things are going to be topped, so I'm super happy like it have some engage and what I think the thing is like I like you were saying before when I think the others doesn't have much engage just because, for example, when you do the gravity audit, like people agree with what you're saying so, there's nothing much to say like, for example, I agree with what you're saying so I I have nothing to say I'm just happy with that and for me that's been transparent, but but yeah I mean me personally, I'm checking all the audits and if I see something I I think it would change I would.

A

I would just give my feedback.

D

No, I I think it's awesome, then I I didn't see that interaction, so I'm going to check on it, and I think it's awesome that people is engaging with this and yeah. um I think that maybe, um um as things are going smooth right now, like um yeah there's not so maybe there would be like a lot of engagement in a specific issue, maybe also a lot of things about post hatch. So, yes, I think we are like testing our our methods and and then we are going to like keep pushing them forward.

A

Awesome I want to give some time to change if you want to introduce yourself. This is the transparency call and right now we were discussing about the addicts.

G

Yeah, sorry, don't want to interrupt your flow just wanted to jump in. I saw it happening and curious to learn.

G

Awesome happy to have you here. Man.

A

Okay, oh sorry, I opened premiere accidentally, uh okay, the the next.

D

I think we cannot hear you.

D

D

D

Step, we can see your video, but we cannot hear you.

D

C

Now I can hear him and I don't think he can hear us either.

G

A

Hello, do you hear me now guys? Oh man wow? What just happened where they left out. Did you hear something about the road?

A

Nothing wow? Okay, uh yeah. I started again, I I was talking with grief and there are some blocks on the board because, like uh yeah, we cannot make it like with video, because some permissions on the on the discord that doesn't allow us and another thing- is like it's pretty expensive to save the data on the cloud so like for for now before the hatch. What we are going to do is uh use the pot only with audio, and then we create some templates or something for the um yeah just to upload it to youtube.

A

But yeah like we're discussing that with grief and people mostly are using the like the videos just to listen them. They are not, you know, watching them uh and then the video that would be recorded. It's like the the community call because I just made that video, so we can just record this one and yeah. The idea for the vote is to the yeah.

A

There are two boards available with audio already that already deployed, and we just only had to add them to the tc discord and yeah I'll I'll. Do some more research on those two. But most probably we will go with one that is open source like the other. One is not open source, so it's always better to go with open source, but we'll have to test it out like if it's it works good and without problems and yeah I'll just try to and if it works, then I'll implement it.

A

On that easy and and yeah bye, bye b is going to support, if perhaps needed so yeah. That's the.

F

A

So that's super cool.

B

uh I have a question, though, about this bot, even if it's just audio.

F

B

Can you hear me, can you hear me yes, okay, okay, so um yeah. My quest, my question is um even if it's just audio.

F

Super weird something's happening with this, but we still don't hear you I I can't hear you. I can't hear ivy yeah.

B

Is that, can you hear me hear us.

C

Yeah, I think seth has some eyeball issues.

B

D

Try to uh go jump into the call again to login again. Do.

A

You want to keep trying ivy or should we move on? Maybe someone else wants to give some updates, but yeah.

D

um Can you hear us.

D

I think that the bots are awesome and if they only record audio, it works great because.

A

D

A

uh I'll just disconnect.

H

B

My question, though, is um if even if it's just audio, will there be like a notification like saying this recording thing like what we put in our video, so people will know that it's getting recorded.

B

Will the bot have that all that function too?.

A

Not really, but I mean people will see like.

B

A

You know when you activate the vote, I mean it's going to be in the chat, but if people just look a bit, they will see like it's being recorded.

A

I think we should update our terms and service for the for this and we could yeah we just. We could update it, so it doesn't interfere with the yeah just having legal.

A

Issues, welcome mate tv, uh we're doing transparency call. Do you want to introduce yourself.

E

Hi there uh I'm mihai nice to meet you and um I'm part of project arc and my sort of um I'm in charge of what's what's happening in terms of uh of the project.

E

What we're trying to do is bring our funding into the conservation space through the use of nfts and other tools in the space and what I hope to do is learn as much as I can from you guys help build the first, uh the first successful, hatching and then uh sort of duplicate the effort into into building the one for project arc as well and participate in future efforts together.

E

Awesome super cool to have you here.

A

Okay, we we're going through. Let me share the screen again.

A

Yeah, that's our agenda for today and right now we are going to discuss about the youtube descriptions and since you made this point ivy do you want to start the discussion here.

B

Yeah I just uh last week we talked about that that we would sync on this and uh give a little description for each uh work for our working group in the youtube channel. So I just copied this from the one that we made for the uh discord transparency channel.

B

So if you're, okay with this, this isn't a very general one or if you want to keep it shorter.

B

Just let me know this. What I uh you know what I interrupted, but if you want to change it just feel free to edit it or do you want to keep it shorter.

B

A

That don't know if it's me, but you were breaking up. I couldn't understand the last part, but I understood like the first part. I also did some uh yeah mitch created the document uh when all the working groups were having the the tagline for the videos, and I also write it some there so yeah. Let me search for it and I'll share.

A

A

Where is that document uh it's on the well, I can't just share it with you. I found it on the store's channel, but I can just copy to you. I can just.

E

D

A

So anyone can have it just give me one. Second, okay,.

D

And sep, I don't know if you heard, but I think that recording the audio is awesome because um yeah, I think that people mostly listen and all of them are available.

D

So maybe it can just have like a slide um or or some small, like information on the on the audio um when we upload when we upload the content.

A

D

A

Thank you uh I'll start the document on the on the transparency and yeah. uh Maybe we can hack a bit on here, or maybe I just read since it's like super short, we're working to help to promote openness and transparency as a high level ideal that we are moving towards at tc.

A

The way that we get there is by empowering people to share this experience with the audits and making calls available to everyone, and then I added this but yeah, I'm not sure, like our next goal, is to explore the options to monitor the trusted seat. If you have any idea on how to do it, please join us and yeah. I I'm very vlogging this because uh yeah the first time I hear about it, it was on the true blocks uh project, but it's actually not deployed.

A

So it's like very early stage, so I feel like it's something that would be super cool that that we could do but but yeah uh I don't. I we don't have the tools- or at least I don't know how to find them. If someone have uh yeah something to add here,.

D

I I don't understand.

A

uh You mean, like the the monitoring on the okay, like the idea is to like. Basically, the idea is to monitor the trusted seats, see if someone is pumping and dumping the coin on. If someone is doing uh something bad and the idea, like I mean you, we can't stop them for keeping doing it on the tc, but at least the idea is like to remove the sdk token, so the people cannot do it on other commons, so yeah at least.

A

If we can uh check the individuals, um I mean normally like the people who's interested. It is trusted people, but you never know, so it's good to keep a track.

D

And do you have like an idea or like a first of idea at first glance or on? How can you do that.

A

I mean in the worst scenario uh you know like when I mean, since we are going to be on xdi, we are going to see like all the transactions with the tc tokens on on on honeysuckle, but they're going to be all the transactions.

A

So it's you know like it's not ideally like how you want to work, because it would be like super time consuming and yeah, like the the most cautious thing would be like if true blocks, like the presentation we had on the dc community call, I believe it was two weeks ago or one I don't know like not the this part, like the other one or like the next one. I I can't remember but yeah yeah. This was the project that that was talking about it and the idea with that project is you.

A

If I didn't understood wrong, you had the.

E

Addresses there and then.

A

It monitored for you, like the transactions being made by the artists you put in there, so you, like the ideas, put all the trusted seat addresses in there, but the thing is like this thing is not deployed, so uh I mean it's not going to be done anytime soon, but that's why I asking like, should we add this on the description on our youtube, video or that would be not necessary, and I would like to hear your opinion on this description. Maybe we can combine it with what ivy drafted. I don't.

B

Know think uh for me it would leave that out. I mean the next goal because um it can change. You know, I think it's better if we leave something like more general that we don't have to update this description uh very often since we'll be using it for the next uh next um yeah in the next recordings too,.

B

I mean just uh maybe it's for me. I would love to have just like uh what we're currently doing.

B

Did you hear me.

A

You were breaking up a bit, but I could hear.

B

I think it's just the same meaning it's the same meaning. I would just add here me to monitoring.

B

Yeah, do you still want to keep the goals here.

A

B

And then, let's ask um others what they think if we should uh put the goals here or just leave it out.

D

I think that, maybe that that goal would be better shared like in in in a manifest or in a in a next road map, but in the youtube description it can be like a little bit um like um confusing so yeah. I think that what you said sep it's amazing, uh but maybe for the youtube. It's it's better to leave it more general.

A

Cool yeah, okay,.

A

So yeah, uh I think that's all right. Let me check the agenda and.

A

Yeah, there's no more topics, so we can finish a bit earlier and yeah. If someone has something to say say now or we can just close.

D

Iv, um I I haven't been able to update the gravity description in the calendar, so um I will write in dm to you so that you can help me. Please.

B

Just send it to me um one last example: I think we can also add, in the youtube description the link to our agenda, just like a promotion that uh that so people know when the meetings happen. So they can also join us in the future. Calls.

A

Yeah, I think that's a good idea. Yeah.

H

So we have like this little description.

A

I don't know yeah how.

B

About the ghouls, do we keep them or do we remove them? This five bullets.

A

I don't know where you are in.

B

A

B

Yeah our goals are to ensure that the tec information is dishonest.

F

I think we can delete that. Okay.

F

A

And then we have like a little a cute description here with the links and we can also delete that thing.

A

A

A

I'm reading it I'm running.

A

Yeah, I I think it looks cute, and then I mean under that we have the time codes and then, like the general thing about like the thing that just drafted uh like.

B

um Here, it's a template that uh just created for all our videos.

B

Yeah I mean I said um uh this uh three items that jess added, I think it's part of the template, so it will go to all our videos in.

B

A

I don't know if that's it's me or ivy, can someone confirm if it's me or ivy who's having bad connection.

E

No, I think, you're good.

A

A

Okay, well, my idea was to add sorry, let me go yeah.

E

On this tab, like.

A

The little description on top of the time code, then we have the time codes and I think that that thing is still like. We can still use it because it's cute and and it's.

A

E

A

Yeah, thank you guys. I think that's all. uh Unless.

D

Someone has something else to add. um I I just remembered- and um I want to say this- um that yeah.

D

If we're going to use a slides for this uh thursday call, then uh it would be better also to re to remember the stewards to do it um so that this community call we can have like um you using the slides.

A

Yeah that'd be super cool.

B

Yeah I'll send a reminder again, and I think um time will also bring it up during the stewards call.

F

Is that fantastic? Yes,.

B

And I think we can, even once we have this audio recording, we can just have this um uh template the slide for each working group that marco created. If we will just be uploading the audio and youtube, we can just have the specific slide. There's a culvert where the other recordings.

A

Yeah, I think that's a super cool idea.

F

A

Okay, guys thank you for joining the.

A

Yeah I keep working on these.

H

Things and like.

E

A

Bullets to accomplish for, like close ranges.

F

Like the documentation.

A

And the descriptions and what yeah just to wrap up a bit, what we discuss it and yeah, I think we are on a good track. Thank you guys.

H

Thank you. Thank you thanks. Everyone. Thank you very.

H