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Board of Health, meeting 11, November 12, 2019
Agenda and background materials:
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Meeting Navigation:
0:15:01 - Call to order
Agenda Items:
0:20:54 - HL11.1 - Community Violence in Toronto - A Public Health Approach (Ward All)
3:30:05 - HL11.2 - The Power of Investing in the Early Years (Ward All)
0:17:52 - HL11.3 - Toronto Public Health Capital Budget Variance for the Nine Months Ended September 30, 2019 (Ward All)
0:18:26 - HL11.4 - Toronto Public Health Operating Budget Variance for the Nine Months Ended September 30, 2019 (Ward All)
C
Good
morning,
if
I
can
please
bring
the
meeting
to
order,
we
need
to
begin
immediately
because
we're
now
15
minutes
behind
welcome
everyone
to
meeting
number
11
of
the
Board
of
Health.
We
want
to
welcome
all
the
members
of
the
Board
of
Health,
all
the
members
from
City
Council
who
may
be
visiting
and,
of
course,
a
big
welcome
to
the
members
of
the
public.
For
those
who
are
following
the
agenda,
you
can
do
so
on
your
computer
tablet
or
smartphone
at
triple
W
Toronto,
dot,
C,
a
backslash
city
council.
C
The
Board
of
Health
acknowledges
that
we
are
meeting
on
the
traditional
territories
of
many
nations,
including
the
Mississauga's
of
the
credit,
the
Anishinaabe,
the
Chippewa,
the
holy
Shawnee,
and
that
when
that
people
Toronto
is
now
home
to
many
diverse
First,
Nations
Inuit
native
peoples.
We
also
acknowledge
that
Toronto
is
covered
by
treaty
13,
with
Mississauga's
of
the
credit
I
recognize
that
we
have
a
fairly
small
agenda
with
only
four
items
on
there,
but
we
do
have
a
number
of
deputies
who
are
going
to
be
joining
us.
C
D
I
could
count,
of
course,
yeah
absolutely
chair.
Cressy
just
sent
me
a
text
to
make
sure
I
send
his
regrets
to
the
committee
for
not
bringing
the
baby
in
and
showing
the
baby
off.
That
is
given
that
it's
just
under
a
week
old,
I'm
sure
all
the
doctors
in
the
room
would
agree.
That's
probably
not
it's
the
best
approach
as.
C
Long
as
he
promises
the
thing
Juden
very
soon,
so
yes,
thank
you
very
much
councillor
Leighton
and
there
is
just
a
low
informal
thing:
there's
there's
a
card
floating
around.
If
you
see
it,
please
sign
it.
Anybody
who
is
a
member
of
the
Board
of
Health,
so
I'm
gonna
go
through
the
order
paper.
We
will
hold
the
first
item:
HL
11.1
community
violence
in
Toronto,
a
public
health
approach.
We
will
hold
that
for
speakers.
Then
we
have
the
second
item,
which
is
HL
11
point
^
investing
in
early
years.
I
understand
that
Kate,
you
are.
C
You
have
a
motion,
but
I
also
see
Sue's
hand
going
up
or
you
like
to
hold
that.
Okay,
so
we'll
stand
that
down
and
our
our
third
item
is
HL
11
point
312,
public
health,
capital,
variance
budget
variance
for
the
nine
months
ending
September,
30th
2019.
The
recommendation
from
the
medical
officer
of
Health
is
to
receive
the
this
report
for
information.
You've
all
had
a
chance
to
review
it.
Are
there
any
members
who
are
interested
in
holding
item
on
down
for
questions
or
debate,
seeing
none
if
I
can
get
a
member
to
move
that?
C
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
dr.
Wong,
all
those
in
favor
any
opposed
that
is
received.
Thank
you.
Hl
11.4,
Toronto,
Public,
Health
operating
budget
variance
for
the
first
for
the
nine
months
ended
September,
30th
2019
again.
The
report
is
before
you.
Anyone
interested
in
holding
this
item,
seeing
none
recommendation
is
to
receive
move
by
councillor
Layton,
all
those
in
favor
any
opposed
that
carries.
Thank
you
very
much.
So
just
moving
to
the
top
of
the
agenda
again.
C
We
have
lots
of
speakers
and
and
I
want
to
just
note
that
we
may
be
the
Board
of
Health,
maybe
losing
quorum
at
about
12:30,
and
we
know
that
it's
very
important
for
us
to
deal
adequately
with
the
first
item.
What
I
am
going
to
propose
to
the
members
of
the
Board
of
Health
is
that
we
actually
limit
the
speaking
time,
not
just
ours
but
also
the
deputy
ins,
so
we
all
have
only
four
minutes.
Normally,
what
happens
is
that
they
limit
it
from
five
minutes
to
three
minutes.
C
I
think
that
we
could
try
to
sneak
in
a
full
four
minutes
and
and
still
be
able
to
complete
the
agenda
items
that
are
before
us
without
losing
quorum.
If
we
lose
quorum,
we
obviously
won't
be
able
to
finish
the
meeting.
It's
not
it's,
not
something
that
we
prefer,
but
we're
doing
everything
we
can
to
not
go
down
to
three
minutes.
Are
there
any
questions
about
that?
C
Otherwise,
I
would
just
simply
move
that
as
a
procedural
matter,
if
I
can
put
that
put
that
on
the
screen,
so
that
the
speakers
who
have
not
pre
registered
be
allowed
to
register
speak
until
11:00
until
10:00
a.m.
on
November,
the
12th
after
which
no
further
registrations
are
allowed,
and
the
speakers
list
be
closed.
The
length
of
presentations
from
the
public
be
limited
to
four
minutes.
The
questions
two
speakers
from
the
Board
of
Health
also
be
limited
to
four
minutes,
so
we're
all
going
to
cap
a
little
bit
of
our
speaking
time.
C
C
Okay
can
I,
please
have
declarations
of
interest
under
the
municipal
conflict
of
interest.
Act.
Are
there
any
members
seeing
none
can
I?
Please
have
someone
move
the
confirmation
in
the
minutes
from
October
28th.
Thank
you
very
much,
dr.
Wong,
all
those
in
favor
any
opposed
carried
okay.
So
we're
just
heading
back
into
the
list
of
speakers
please.
So
if
I
can
just
remind
members
of
the
public,
if
you
are
here
to
speak
to
item
number
one,
please
let
us
know
if
you've
not
already
registered,
we
want
to
get
you
on
the
list.
Before
10:00
a.m.
C
okay
and
our
first
speaker,
I'd
like
to
call
up
dr.
Annette
Bailey
from
the
Daphne
Cockrell
School
of
Nursing
Ryerson
University
welcome,
yes,
very
nice
to
see
you
any
one
of
those
three
microphones.
There
is
a
little
button
right
in
front
of
you.
If
you
want
to
press
that
the
red
light
will
go
on
means,
your
microphone
is
on,
and
hot
and
I
will
start
your
clock.
You
can
see
it
on
your
left
hand,
side.
Okay,
thank
you.
I
want.
E
To
thank
you
very
much
for
the
invitation
to
speak
today
and
I'll.
Try
to
keep
it
at
four
minutes
as
I
prepared
for
for
this
talk
today,
I
thought
about
a
young
man
who
was
16
years
old
when
I
interviewed
him
for
a
recent
study
that
I
did
on
youth
trauma
and
gun
violence.
This
young
man
spoke
about
the
loss
of
his
older
brother
and
six
of
his
friends
to
gun
violence
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
He
described
how
these
losses
altered
his
mind
and
put
him
on
a
path
of
vengeance.
E
He
spoke
solemnly
and
decisively
about
the
need
to
exercise
what
he
called
alternate
justice
on
the
person's
responsible
for
the
death
of
his
brother.
He
ended
his
conversation
with
me
by
saying
I'm
living
on
borrowed
times
and
six
months
later,
he
was
shot
to
death.
This
young
man's
story
is
not
very
different
from
the
many
other
youth
that
I
interviewed,
who
had
lost
friends
and
family
members
to
gun
violence.
What
was
critical
in
all
of
their
story
is
trauma.
E
We
know
that
a
number
of
adversities
and
stressful
events
can
accumulate
into
trauma
impact
and
have
devastating
social
consequences.
My
research
showed
that,
as
these
youth
lose
more
and
more
friends
and
family
members
to
gun
violence,
the
mids
of
dealing
with
social
disparities
in
prioritized
neighborhoods
in
Toronto.
There
trauma
grows
exponentially
as
they
grapple
with
trauma
from
day
to
day
it
changes
who
they
are.
It
alters
their
minds,
their
view
of
themself
and
their
view
of
the
world.
It
modifies
your
perspectives
and
their
behaviors
and
it
just
shifted
them
considerably.
E
It
is
at
the
root
of
several
retaliatory
attacks,
gun
attacks
in
Toronto
and
that
it
is
destroying
many
Toronto
families
and
I
know
this,
because
over
10
years,
I
have
done.
Research
on
gun,
violence,
prevention
and
survivorship
in
Toronto.
I
have
interviewed
several
grieving
mothers
about
the
murder
of
their
children
and
I
came
to
understand
that
gun.
Violence
is
about
broken
hopes
and
dreams,
deliberating
debilitating
grief
and
trauma
and
the
daily
struggle
to
remain
resilience
in
the
face
of
trauma.
E
E
Currently
we
see
that
gun
violence
be
is
being
addressed
primarily
by
the
police
and
what
I'm
proposing
today
is
that
we
we
look
at
this
as
bringing
the
mandate
of
law
enforcement
in
a
complementary
partnership
with
public
health
communities
and
other
stakeholders,
and
within
this
partnership
we
can
work
to
inform
violence
prevention
efforts,
motivate
policy
changes
and
focus
on
important
areas
such
as
youth
and
Family
Development,
community
services
and
program
development.
Thank
you
very.
C
C
F
So
I
think
my
mic
is
on
okay.
So,
given
your
comments
to
us
in
your
data
about
the
effects
of
trauma,
how
can
we
strengthen
the
report
by
the
medical
office
of
Health
today
that
you've
probably
seen
the
nine
recommendations?
How
can
we
strengthen
those
recommendations
to
address
your
issues
about
trauma,
I
think.
E
It
comes
from
a
system
of
poverty
and
trauma,
and
we
see
in
Toronto
that
a
youth
are
particularly
affected,
and
so
there
has
to
be
a
focus
on
youth
development,
family
development
and
family
resilience,
so
I
believe
public
health
within
its
role
to
empower
communities
and
to
work
together
to
bring
families
together,
has
a
significant
role
to
play
in
addressing
early
childhood
development
issues,
youth
development
issues
and
family
development.
Thank.
C
G
G
So,
thank
you
so
much
for
the
opportunity,
councillor
long-term
and
the
Board
of
Health.
My
name
is
Wesley
Crusher
I'm,
a
member
of
the
partnership
and
accountability
circle
which
advises
the
city
of
Toronto's
anti
racism,
black
unit,
so
I'm
here
speaking
today
in
the
capacity
of
the
partnership,
accountability
circle
and
not
as
a
professor
I
do
it
represent
my
University
today
for
the
record.
G
I
want
to
speak
to
the
complexity
of
issues
which
I
think
we
have
seen
in
the
criminal
justice
system
is
a
cooperative
salt
on
black
guilt
and
the
corporate
assault
on
black
youth
innocence.
By
extension,
this
means
that
black
youth
a
denied
any
forms
of
humanity
which
reflects
an
afterlife
of
slavery.
There
are
continual
situates
black
people
as
objects
of
fetish
and
force
according
to
Hartman
and
others.
It
perpetuates
a
denial
of
black
humanity.
G
What
Orlando
Patterson
identifies
a
social
debt
or
enslaved
people's
in
which
plays
a
foundation
anyakara
neglected
role
in
the
consumer,
conservation
conceptions
of
boundaries
to
put
humanity
and
political
order.
I
believe
that,
as
we
engage
in
the
discussion
here
today,
around
gun
violence,
I'd
like
to
focus
primarily
on
the
Glitter
decision
and
the
Epley
decision
to
make
an
argument
for
similar
forms
of
reforms
within
the
context
of
the
black
community.
G
The
glare
do
and
appellate
decisions
along
with
subsequent
decisions,
extends
the
relevance
of
contextual
inquiry
by
making
court
responsible
for
taking
judicial
notice
on
how
an
accused
behavior
is
situated
within
histories
of
racial,
colonial
and
systemic
discrimination.
To
address
the
problem,
I
argue
that
we
must
form
freed
prea.
This
is
how
you
have
the
do.
Court
I
would
like
to
argue.
G
We
should
have
pre-incarceration
courts
for
black
young
men,
in
particular,
impacted
by
the
criminal
justice
system
within
the
community
and
outside
of
the
criminal
justice
system,
with
community
elders
and
experts
who
can
intervene
and
give
expert
testimony
witnesses
about
the
conditions
of
black
people's
lives
as
mitigating
factors,
for
why
these
issues
are
occurring.
Violence
is
also
state
sanction
and
therefore,
violence
is
not
subjected.
Yes
for
an
individual,
we
also
have
to
see
the
status
as
no
responsibility
for
producing
violence
in
black
people's
lives.
G
The
adductors
against
violence
that
and
other
medical
groups
who
who
see
black
men
on
the
operating
table
can
also
be
act
used
as
experts
in
these
courts
to
talk
about
the
impact
that
this
have
on
not
just
only
the
individuals
but
also
themselves,
as
doctors,
in
fact,
in
terms
of
they
are
impacted
by
these
well
documented
examples
of
police
violence
that
comes
before
them.
We
have
to
develop
a
new
lexicon,
a
conceptual
vocabulary
and
community
praxis
for
understanding
the
violence
of
hyper
masculinity
of
disenfranchised
young
black
men
living
in
Toronto,
Community
Housing.
G
These
young
men's
lives
are
defined
by
the
struggles
to
adapt,
cope
and
resist
normalized,
Street,
State
structure,
violence,
equality,
culture
and
conditions
of
social
death.
These
conditions
can
be
eliminated
if
we
try
to
humanize
the
way
we
interact
with
them.
Hence,
traumas
are
caused
not
only
by
structure
disinvestment,
but
also
by
an
amplification,
as
in
feedback
loop.
G
When
some
individuals
react
to
the
structure,
violence,
including
gang
and
interpersonal
violence,
so
failure
to
offer
meaningful
responses
to
repair
state
and
socially
societally
induce
traumas,
if,
indeed,
the
state
does
not
consider
as
functional
the
crisis
conditions
it
has
created.
This
leaves
many
young
black
men
to
carve
out
a
worthwhile
existence
in
which
that
makes
sense
to
them.
Even
true,
though,
surrounding
structures
suppresses
adaptive
responses
well,.
C
G
G
Many
young
men
in
the
criminal
justice
system
are
victims
of
violence
and
will
not
come
out
and
talk
about
what
the
experiences
have
been
and
these
homes
up
in
violence
can
be
ex
well.
It
could
be
sort
of
taken
on
in
different
forms
of
trauma,
addictions,
mental
health
and
not
be
attended
to.
How
can
black
people
resist
post-incarceration
syndrome
be
a
mitigating
factor
for
consideration
in
the
kind
of
cases
that
they
offer
your
friend
so
similar
to
the
gala?
G
Do
decision
I
am
asking
that
we
improve
our
understanding
of
that
situation
and
that
we
ask
medical
officers
and
every
level
of
government
to
work
with
us
to
begin
to
form
community
clinics
within
the
various
communities
impacted
by
these
forms
of
violence
as
mitigating
clinics
for
before
many
of
these
youth
go
before
the
criminal
justice
system,
so
we
can
address
their
needs
and
not
simply
throw
them
into
incarceration
when
one
is
incarcerated.
There's
social
inclusion
into
life
is
excluded.
H
And
so
I'm,
Ayesha
and
I
have
an
organization
called
project
restore
Phoebe.
We
work
with
families
that
are
impacted
by
incarceration
just
a
couple
of
things
that
I'll
highlight
giving
the
time
constraint.
Now,
in
the
look
of
my
there
was
a
report
that
came
out.
Look
at
my
life.
The
key
finding
was
that
the
state
of
the
family
was
an
important
factor.
Contributing
to
the
decision.
H
One
of
the
other
things
that
we've
noted
is
that
families
need
to
be
equipped
in
order
to
deal
with
and
support,
individuals
that
are
aren't
or
are
on
either
side
of
this
issue.
Restoring
the
stability
of
a
family
is
important
and
fundamental
to
the
to
address
community
violence.
There
is
nothing
individual
about
this
issue.
Therefore,
services
and
support
must
adequately
and
appropriately
reflect
a
more
holistic,
family-centered
approach
towards
prevention
and
intervention.
H
C
Thank
you
very
much.
I
just
want
to
don't
go
away.
There
may
be
questions
from
you
from
the
directors
today.
Any
questions
from
the
speaker,
I,
actually
I,
have
a
question.
I
want
to
clarify
clearly
what
I'm,
drawing
from
you
so
I'm,
just
gonna
start
my
time,
my
own
time,
clearly
from
what
I'm
hearing
from
you
is
that
the
report
is
a
is
a
decent
foundation.
C
That's
been
laid,
but
you
feel
like
we
need
to
dive
a
little
bit
deeper,
to
have
an
intimate
conversation
with
the
in
particular
I'm,
going
to
say
the
black
community
and
the
medical
officer,
based
on
the
recommendations
to
understand
why
the
recommendations
are
coming
out.
The
way
they
and-
and
in
particular
you
want
to
be
able
to
provide-
or
some
provide
her
with
some
feedback-
is
that
yes,.
G
G
G
The
significant
front
in
anti
black
racism
unit
here
can
also
work
with
the
medical
officer
around
a
number
of
recommendations.
One
two,
one,
three
one,
four
one:
five,
four
one,
four,
two:
five
one:
six,
three:
twelve
one:
thirteen
16
17
and
18.
These
are
all
recommendations
in
it
that,
in
the
action
plan
that
I
think
we
can
work
with
medical
officers
on
the
questions
of
black
trauma-informed
courts
and
black
drawing
from
community
clinics.
G
Something
has
to
be
done
around
these
issues
and
mentioned
in
the
community
and
not
just
simply
talk
about
trauma
in
a
in
an
abstract
sense,
but
we
need
to
get
specific
to
trauma
that
impact
black
communities,
and
we
cannot
continue
to
have
these
reports
talk
about
violence
in
the
generic
way.
We
have
to
disaggregate
the
data
and
the
impacts
of
the
debt
disaggregated
that
and
its
impacts
on
black
communities,
so
I
think
I.
G
Would
like
to
also
recommend
that
somehow
the
medical
officer
call
a
meeting
with
the
black
community
and
these
various
agencies
to
do
that
and
to
consider
how
we
can
move
forward
with
this
in
terms
of
working
with
not
just
the
city,
but
also
all
levels
of
government
and
politicians
involved.
Okay,.
C
J
Terror
westerns
remake
of
Leonard
Cohen's
Hallelujah
quote
you
thought
it'd
be
much
better
back
home.
Did
you
quote
Leonard
Cohen
and
every
breath
we
drew
was
hallelujah
seems
we
have
quite
a
racket
going
on
in
Toronto
and
the
rest
of
Canada
perpetuating
mental
and
physical
violence,
quote
from
the
Board
of
Health
recommendation
number
two
to
inform
the
community
safety
and
well-being
planned
by
praying
public
health
perspective
and
identifying
other
relevant
issues,
number
three
board
to
health,
Reference,
engaging
children
and
youth
in
the
development
process.
J
J
Coroner's
inquest,
Brad,
Chapman
leaned
to
Villa
under
questioning
I
am
NOT
a
resuscitation
expert:
ask
the
nurses,
they
know
what
to
do
and
premiu
Doug
Ford's
policy
is
costing
people
their
lives
myself
under
questioning
trespass
charges
at
City,
Hall
Crown
attorney
mr.
Thompson.
Why
do
you
keep
going
back
to
Toronto
Public
Health
because
they
teach
a
life-threatening
first-aid
treatment?
J
Your
Honor,
we're
dropping
all
charges
you're
free
to
go
mr.
Thompson
I'm
sitting
on
the
stand,
you're
free
to
go
mr.
Thompson,
you
gave
me
paperwork
that
brought
me
here.
I
want
paperwork
that
says:
I
can
go
mr.
Thompson.
There
is
no
paperwork,
just
go
kangaroo
court
and
a
mad
tea-party
right
in
front
of
me.
May
I
suggest
you
stop.
J
C
C
H
Good
morning,
everyone
good
morning
so
I
don't
have
a
professional
presentation,
I'm,
just
speaking
as
a
mother
who
lost
a
child,
so
I'm,
the
chair
of
a
group
called
you
move,
United
mothers
opposing
violence
everywhere,
and
it
comprises
of
a
number
of
mothers
who
of
each
lost
a
child
to
acts
of
violence.
So
my
only
child,
he
was
19
years
old.
He
was
murdered
in
the
City
of
Toronto
and
you
can
I
cannot
explain
the
pain
of
loss
that
still
carries
me
through
day.
H
Three,
just
thinking
of
talking
here
just
created,
so
many
painful
emotions
that
I
want
you
to
bear
with
me,
and
you
see
your
face,
just
just
enjoy
it
so
there's
so
many
mothers
like
myself,
who
have
lost
a
child
or
children
to
acts
of
violence
and
you
never
get
over
people
tend
to
think
that,
as
time
goes
by
time
is
the
greatest
healer.
But
that's
not
true,
because
grief
is
not
an
event.
H
Grief
goes
on
with
you
for
the
rest,
their
life,
so
many
mothers,
the
blood
of
their
children,
just
crying
out
from
the
ground
crying
out
for
justice,
justice
that
never
comes
because
justice
delayed
is
justice
denied.
They
say
that
justice
is
like
a
soothing
balm
that
heals
the
wounds
that
we
suffer
or
when
justice
is
not
served.
These
wounds
leave
gaping
holes
and
you
day
by
day,
you're
living,
but
you
never
life
and
when
you
think
of
I
think
dealing
with
this,
we
all
need
to
come
together
with
cords
and
mutuality.
H
We
are
all
branches
on
a
tree
called
humanity,
and
we
need
to
be
our
brothers
keepers.
Our
village
is
broken.
It
takes
a
village
to
raise
a
child,
it
takes
a
village
to
make
people
feel
whole
and
when
the
village
is
broken,
our
lives
are
broken.
So
it's
important
that
we
we
take
care.
The
health
of
our
individuals
is
part
of
that
broken
village
I've
spoken
with
many
mothers
who
have
who
cannot
get
over
this
trauma.
H
One
mother
in
particular,
who
son
was,
was
just
a
good
boy
just
doing
whatever
he
can
to
make
a
life,
and
his
brother
ended
up
being
shot
now.
He
interned
because
his
trauma
was
never
dealt
with.
He
in
turn
decided
to
take
up
a
gun
and
cause
the
same
gun
violence.
So
it's
important
that
we
deal
with
people
through
the
trauma.
H
My
own
son's
dad
people
were
all
concerned
about
me:
I,
never
even
paid
attention
to
him
and
two
years
after
my
son
died,
he
said
to
me:
nobody
ever
asked
me
how
I'm
feeling
you
know
his
brother.
Don't
know
if
you
guys
know
Jamaal
Magloire
as
big
as
manly
as
Jamal
thinks
he
is.
He
was
bawling
like
a
baby
and
you
never.
Unless
you
have
the
financial
ability
or
you
have
a
workplace
that
takes
care
of
your
help
to
go
through
these
traumas.
H
People
are
just
left
just
trying
to
deal
with
it
on
their
own
and
that's
not
right.
We
need
to
do
better
than
this.
I
can
even
think
for
my
own
self
people,
because
my
son's
murder
was
pretty
high-profile
and
I'm
in
the
community
trying
to
make
a
difference,
so
some
of
them
others
doesn't
have
to
go
through
this.
It
continues
and
it
puts
me
back
every
time
some
child
gets
murdered.
It
puts
me
back
to
a
place
where
I
don't
want
to
be.
H
Parents
always
seem
to
find
me
find
me
to
ask
about
copying
about
funeral
arrangements
about
things
like
that,
and
even
for
me,
there's
something
called
compassion
fatigue,
because
I
feel
like
I
need
to
be
able
to
help
these
people.
I
need
to
be
able
to
find
a
solution.
I
need
to
be
able
to
be
that
fixer.
H
So
you
end
up
showing
up
for
people,
but
then
nobody
shows
up
for
you
and
I'm
not
saying
that
I
need
any
sort
of
health
or
trauma
help
I'm
trying
day
by
day,
to
do
the
best
I
can
to
live
the
life,
the
best
life
that
I
can.
But
there
are
many
people
out
there.
They're
lost
I,
know
of
one
particular
mother.
She
was
just
so
broken.
She
ended
up
getting
breast
cancer
as
a
result
of
the
stress
and
the
trauma
and
the
pain
that
she
endures
through
this
situation.
H
So
unless
you've
been
there
like,
you
know
we
try
to
do
whatever
we
can.
We've
already
been
through
our
situation
and
we're
trying
to
do
what
we
can
so
that
each
one
of
you,
you
don't
have
to
go
through
that
situation,
but
it's
important
that
you
pay
attention
and
it's
important
that
you
try
to
put
in
place
the
necessary
help
and
I'm
when
I
say
help.
H
I,
don't
mean
these
therapists
that
go
through
a
textbook
and
think
that
you're,
okay,
real
trauma-informed
help
that
is
not
expensive,
but
people
don't
have
to
sell
their
house
to
pay
for
this
is
what
I
want
to
talk
about
today,
but
it's
very
important
that
we
take
accountability
for
our
brothers
and
our
sisters.
I.
C
Don't
know
ank
you
very
much
you're
almost
two
minutes
over,
but
oh
sorry,
no,
it's
okay!
Oh
thank
I
didn't
want
to
cut
you
off
because
I
know
how
I
first
of
all.
Thank
you
very
much
for
appearing
before
the
board
before
you
go
I
just
should
I
should
open
up
and
ask
the
board
members
if
they
have
any
questions
of
your
deputation,
okay,
seeing
none!
Thank
you
very
much
once
again
for
coming
up
so
I
think
many
of
you
will
recognize.
C
I
have
not
been
a
very
good
chair
with
the
clock
and
timer
I
I
also
move
the
motion
limiting
the
speaking
time
to
four
minutes.
I'm
gonna
do
the
very
best
I
can
to
adhere
to
that
I
know.
It's
also
extremely
difficult
just
because
of
the
subject
matter
that
we're
coming
to
speak
about
today.
So
I'm
gonna
ask
our
speakers
to
also
maybe
do
a
little
bit
of
self
monitoring.
C
The
clock
is
on
your
left
because
it's
very
difficult
for
me
to
cut
you
off
when
what
you're
saying
is
so
important,
okay,
so
and
but
if
I
have
to
I
will
slap
the
grapple
down.
Our
next
speaker
is
Alison
de
Groot,
Canadian
sporting
arms
and
ammunition
Association
Alison.
Are
you
here
great?
Thank
you
very
much.
C
I
Chair
and
members
of
the
Board
of
Health,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
today.
My
name
is
Alison
de
Groot
I
am
the
managing
director
of
the
Canadian
sporting
arms
and
ammunition,
Association
or
CS
triple-a
for
short,
to
provide
some
context
for
my
remarks
today.
I
want
to
clarify
that
the
CS
triple-a
represents
licensed
business
owners
in
the
sporting
arms
industry
in
Canada,
including
Canadian
manufacturers,
distributors,
wholesalers,
retailers
and
gunsmiths.
We
do
not,
while
we
support,
licensed
firearms
owners
as
they
are
customers,
we
do
not
speak
for
them.
I
We
are
only
speaking
on
behalf
of
our
business
members.
The
CS
triple-a
is
a
nonpartisan
industry,
led
organization
governed
by
a
volunteer
board
of
directors
elected
from
and
by
our
business
members.
We
do
not
accept
any
government
funding,
nor
do
we
provide
any
political
endorsements
or
funding.
We
offer
our
industry's
technical
expertise,
knowledge
of
the
legal
firearms
marketplace
as
well
as
feedback
on
the
efficacy
and
economic
impact
of
firearms
policy
as
a
resource
to
all
levels
of
government.
On
behalf
of
our
small
business
owners.
I
For
your
perspective,
there
are
4,500
licensed
firearms
and
ammunition
businesses
in
Canada.
The
vast
majority
of
these
businesses
are
small,
privately
owned
family
operated.
These
businesses
collectively
employ
some
48,000
Canadians
according
to
The
Conference
Board
of
Canada's.
Most
recent
report
on
the
economic
footprint
of
angling
hunting,
trapping
and
sports
shooting
released
in
July
of
this
year.
Four
hundred
and
twenty
six
thousand
Ontario
residents
participate
in
hunting.
Three
hundred
and
sixty
nine
thousand
Ontario
residents
participate
in
sports,
shooting
Ontario
consumers
spent
2.7
billion
dollars
on
hunting
and
sport,
shooting
hunting
and
sport.
I
North
Silva
is
Canada's
largest
sporting
and
law
enforcement,
firearms
and
ammunition,
importer
and
distributor
north
silva
has
been
owned
and
operated
by
generations
of
the
Savarino
family
for
more
than
50
years.
In
addition
to
supplying
sporting
arms
retailers
across
the
country,
north
silva
also
supplies
the
RCMP,
the
Ontario
Provincial
Police,
the
Toronto
Police
Service
and
numerous
other
municipal
police
services.
Noor
Silva
employs
50
full-time
staff
here
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
and
with
me
today
is
Dickson
Lee
of
north
silva.
Also,
with
me
today
is
brian
carew
Sokka
from
al
Flaherty's
outdoor
store.
I
Al
clarity's
is
the
only
independent
sporting
arms
retailer
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
There
is
only
one
now:
Flaherty's
has
been
family
owned
and
operated
for
more
than
seventy
years.
We
are
here
today
because
the
decisions
you
make
and
the
recommendations
you
make
directly
affect
these
business
owners
and
their
employees,
and
also
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you
are
making
fully
informed
decisions.
First,
we
would
like
to
commend
the
Board
of
Health
for
recognizing
that
the
City
of
Toronto
has
a
serious
problem
with
criminal
gun
violence.
I
We
applaud
the
board
for
its
recommendations
to
better
identify,
collect
and
review
data
on
community
violence.
Can
I
get
your
final
thoughts?
Please
I'm,
sorry!
Yes,
our
business
owners
are
not
mental
health
experts.
Nor
are
we
experts
on
criminal
gang
activities.
We
are,
however,
working
with
you.
I'll
just
go
on
to
our
main
points.
On
item
number:
five,
the
Board
of
Health
urged
the
provincial
government
to
ban
the
sale
of
handgun
ammunition
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
I
C
I
I
I
It
is
a
minimal
problem.
It
is
very
hard
for
retailers
to
identify
very
often
gangs
will
target
new
Canadians
pay
for
them
to
get
their
PL,
which
costs
over
$500
and
then
send
them
into
the
store.
Our
retailers
work
daily
with
law
enforcement
officials
in
their
community,
as
well
as
the
CFO
offices
to
self-identify.
I
We
are
actually,
as
I
mentioned,
working
with
the
RCMP
n
West
division
to
develop
retailer
training,
but
straw
purchasing
is
very
difficult
for
the
retailer
to
identify,
because
very
often
a
single
individual
will
go
into
a
store
purchase.
A
single
firearm
go
into
a
different
store.
However,
the
chief
firearms
office
sees
all
transfer
requests
for
restricted
firearms,
which
includes
handguns
and
should
be
able
to
correlate
those
so.
D
I
I
D
I
D
I
I
C
C
L
Thank
you
very
much
good
morning.
It
is
a
privilege
and
an
honor
to
be
here
to
add
voice
to
more
significant
voices,
as
we
heard
earlier
on
from
people
who
are
directly
impacted
and
also
some
elders
in
our
community.
Like
my
brother,
Louise
March,
who
is
sitting
at
the
back
in
general,
what
I
would
like
to
kind
of
present
and
I
have
forwarded
some
documentation,
for
you
is
number
one.
We
know
the
problem.
The
problem
has
existed
for
a
very
long
time.
L
It's
sad
that
almost
a
generation
is
being
wiped
out
and
it's
disproportionately
impacting
the
black
community.
It's
not
slowing
down
and
solutions
are
focused
on
the
wrong
end
of
the
spectrum.
There
is
an
image
on
the
presentation:
I
provided
where
you're
seeing
a
lot
of
people
falling
off
a
cliff.
This
is
an
image
that
is
provided
by
a
person
in
the
United
States
called
dr.
Cameron,
Jones
who's
really
working
on
issues
around
social
determinants
of
health.
L
There
are
already
several
studies
that
have
been
conducted
example,
the
roots
of
violence.
We
know
the
root
causes
of
this
problem.
We
do
not
need
another
study.
I
think
the
City
of
Toronto
has
shown
leadership
in
not
conducting
studies
after
studies,
but
has
taken
recommendation
from
existing
studies
and
developed
the
first
anti
black
racism
action
plan
in
North,
America
and
I.
L
Think,
while
commending
the
Board
of
Health
to
acknowledge
and
move
towards
addressing
the
issue
of
violence
in
the
city
as
a
public
health
issue
and
problem,
I
think
it's
time
for
us
to
move
into
action.
Some
of
the
things
that
have
been
already
mentioned.
The
issue
of
violence
is
based
on
social
determinants
of
health.
We
know
poverty
is
a
very
underlying
factor
for
some
of
the
challenges
that
we
see
education
and
challenges
in
the
education
system,
whether
it's
school
dropout
rates,
expulsion
and
suspension
rate
and
access
to
post-secondary
education
are
significant.
L
Social
determinants
of
health
unemployment.
Right
now,
with
youth
unemployment
in
the
black
community
is
the
highest
even
higher
than
the
traditional
indigenous
unemployment
rate
for
young
people,
health
disparities
and
particularly
mental
health.
That
is
not
diagnosed.
That
is
leading
to
a
lot
of
challenges
in
schools
or
in
the
community.
We
have
heard
about
the
incarceration
rate.
So
when
we
are
thinking
about
the
public
health
approach,
we
would
like
to
focus
or
recommend
that
the
Board
of
Health
and
the
Medical
Officer
looks
at
it
from
a
system
thinking
perspective.
L
In
fact,
when
we
are
just
focusing
on
community
safety
from
a
policy
perspective,
it
has
produced
a
negative
outcomes
so
in
terms
of
system
thinking,
I'm
thinking,
I'm,
proposing
that
we
look
at
different
conditions
for
system
change,
whether
it's
policies,
practices
or
whether
it
is
relationship
in
communities
or
even
mental
health,
mental
models
and
assumptions
that
exist
that
is
based
on
anti-black
racism.
Your.
L
So
finally,
I
would
say,
while
we
recommend,
while
we're
supporting
all
the
recommendations
that
are
provided,
we
would
like
to
add
that
community
agencies
and
other
volunteer
organization
be
considered
to
be
part
of
the
work
in
to
inform
the
community
safety
and
well-being
from
my
in
for
mental
health
services
are
required,
but
they
need
to
be
based
in
local
community
settings,
devoid
of
stigma
and
accessible
accessible
and
then
also
in
addition
to
the
plan.
I
think
this,
the
Board
of
Health
and
the
city
should
invest
and/or
earmark
financial
and
human
resources
to
start
doing
action.
L
F
L
Don't
have
a
figure
in
mind,
but
for
me
and
from
the
organization
I
came
from
it's
not
so
much
the
amount
of
money
that
is
being
earmark
or
invested.
It's
so
much
about
the
the
commitment
to
the
cause.
There
are
already
existing
services
that
volunteer
organization
with
no
funding
are
implementing
it's
looking
at
those,
and
you
know
scaling
them
up
so
that
they
have
a
broader
impact,
more
opportunity
for
smaller
organization.
So
we
don't
need
to
reinvent
the
wheel.
L
C
N
L
What
we're
doing
work
in
the
community
we're
not
just
looking
at
violence
as
I
said
we're
looking
at
the
system,
so
is
it
the
parents?
How
are
they
supported?
What
do
they
need
in
terms
of
equipping
them
so
that
they
are
better
available
and
doing
what
they
need
to
do
in
a
stronger
way?
So,
for
example,
I'll
give
you.
We
have
an
after-school
program
that
deals
with
expulsion
and
suspension
rate
that
is
focused
on
the
black
students
when
we're
delivering
this
program
in
schools.
L
We're
not
just
working
with
the
black
students
who
are
being
impacted
by
school
disciplinary
measures,
but
we're
also
supporting
their
parents,
we're
working
with
teachers
and
administrators,
we're
also
providing
them
access
to
legal
aid
and
service
and
information.
So
when,
when
we're
providing
that
we're
trying
to
all
not
just
support
the
students
who
are
going
through
this
difficult
challenging
situation,
but
we're
also
talking
to
the
school
and
see
if
they
can
change
some
of
the
practices
that
they
have
in
a
lot
of
cases,
it
is
based
on
anti
black
racism
and
bias
and
Prejudice.
L
Whether
it's
how
kids
are
you
know,
youth
are
working
working
in
the
school
or
how
they
are
dressed
or
how
they're
responding
in
a
certain
way.
So
there
are
programs
like
that.
We
have
several
after-school
programs
in
the
city
that
are
run
by
different
community
centers,
how
about
investing
in
those
so
that
we
bring
in
this
system
thinking
and
making
it
more
impactful,
as
it
relates
to
engaging
with
with
the
education
with
the
employment
and
and
criminal
justice
system
and.
N
L
In
you
know,
in
in
previous
funding
arrangements,
usually
around
health
and
mental
health,
a
lot
of
money
goes
into
services
that
are
not
accessible
by
party
black
communities.
It's
either
in
hospital
settings
or
large,
mainstream
mental
health
institutions
and
number
one
when
we
do
refer
young
people
or
other
people
to
access
those
services
because
of
where
they're
located
or
because
they
are
stigmatizing
being
in
in
a
very
institutional
environment.
People
cannot
access
them
if
them,
even
though
they
are
available.
I
think
we
need
to
move
from
moving
those
services
if
they
exist.
L
I
think
there
is
a
lack
of
services,
and
you
probably
agree
with
me
in
Scarborough.
There
is
a
very
very
lack
of
services
around
mental
health
services,
but
everywhere
in
the
city,
and
it's
locating
those
places
where
traditionally,
young
people
and
and
families
are
already
accessing
services
so
that
it's
less
stigmatizing
when
they
come
there.
L
N
A
You
mentioned
the
city's
anti
black
racism
action
plan
and
when
I'm,
looking
through
the
recommendations
here,
while
it's
mentioned
in
the
report,
I,
don't
see
in
the
recommendations
any
mention
of
anti
black
racism
or
disaggregated
and
race-based
data.
Do
you
have
a
recommendation
on
how
we
might
strengthen
these
in
order
to
make
a
better
connection
to
that
work
of
anti
black
racism?
Definitely.
L
And
I
think
if
that
language,
if
the
language
is
not
there,
that
means
nobody
is
going
to
pay
attention
to
that.
So
I
think
we
have
to
maybe
follow
from
the
city's
anti
black
racism
action
plan
and
incorporate
some
of
those
recommendations,
but
I
think
if
we're
going
to
be
dealing
with
violence,
particularly
that
is
impacting
disproportionately
black
communities,
I
think
the
the
principle
and
the
lens
of
anti
black
racism
should
be
part
of
that
implementation
and
recommendation.
Thank
you.
C
C
O
You
for
having
me
I'm
an
emergency
physician
that
works
in
London
Ontario
at
the
Children's
Hospital
of
Western
Ontario
I'm,
also
an
associate
professor
at
Western
University
I'm.
Also
a
member
of
a
founding
member
of
a
group
that
we
started
this
year,
called
the
doctors
for
firearms
safety
and
responsibility.
Just
a
little
bit
about
my
background.
I
was
present
personally
at
the
Montreal
Polytechnic
shooting
in
1989
were
14.
Women
lost
their
lives,
it
affects
me
still.
I
had
a
2
year
old
daughter
and
a
7
month
old
son.
O
At
the
time,
I
slept
on
the
floor
for
six
months
as
a
result
of
having
been
on
scene,
pronouncing
the
victims
dead
and
taking
care
of
some
of
the
injured
afterwards,
I'm
also
a
pistol
shooter,
a
competitive
pistol,
shooter
and
rifle
and
shotgun
shooter
I'm.
A
range
officer
in
three
different
firearms
disciplines,
so
I
have
a
unique
perspective
to
speak
on
your
point.
Number
six,
which
is
the
banning
of
firearms
I'd
like
to
just
clarify
that
the
assault
weapons
portion
of
it
is,
is,
in
my
opinion,
redundant
assault.
O
Weapons
are
weapons
that
fire
in
a
fully
automatic
mode
with
high-capacity
magazines.
Those
are
illegal
and
unobtainable
by
Canadians,
legally
they're
issued
to
police
and
military.
Only
the
the
issue
of
handguns
and
semiotic
automatic
rifles
I
think
everyone
probably
knows
some
of
the
regulations
involved
in
that
taking
courses
taking
months
to
obtain
your
license.
Having
24
hour
background
checks
every
single
day
by
the
RCMP,
knowing
that
licensed
firearms
owners
are
actually
the
safer
in
terms
of
violent
crime
statistics
than
the
general
public
and,
in
fact
safer
than
off-duty
police
officers.
O
So
what
at
the
point
I'd
like
to
make
with
this,
is
that
a
gun
ban
actually
affects
licensed
gun
owners.
It
affects
millions
literally
as
2.2
million
licensed
owners
in
Canada,
there's
many
more
probably
twice
that
number
that
go
out
with
licensed
firearms
owners
to
be
supervised
at
ranges.
There
are
ranges
that
take
public
shooting
times
when
people
can
go
and
shoot.
Many
many
people
go
to
the
States
to
shoot
in
places
without
firearms
licenses
as
a
hobby
or
for
entertainment.
O
O
Blue-Collar
workers
they're
ordinary
citizens,
who
have
a
passion
for
shooting
such
as
I,
do
my
my
wife
and
two
of
my
children
are
also
competitive.
Shooters
and
I
have
two
kids
in
the
military,
so
I
make
a
very
big
distinction
between
the
illegal
use
of
firearms
and
the
legal
use
of
firearms
and
the
peaceful
use
of
firearms
which
I
advocate
for,
in
which
my
organization
advocates
for
I,
think
the
illegal
use
of
firearms
and
the
tragedies
that
we
see
here.
That
I've
also
witnessed
this
mother
who
has
lost
a
child.
O
These
are
the
issues
we
need
to
address,
not
the
issues
that
would
unfairly
target
millions
of
law-abiding
citizens
in
this
country.
The
issues
that
have
been
spoken
about
here
with
regard
to
social
programs,
youth
programs
and
enforcement
programs,
especially
the
very
important
point
that
mr.
Layton
brought
up
about
straw
purchases,
are
the
issues
that
we
should
be
spending
money
on
the
other
issue.
O
We
should
be
spending
money
on
his
mental
health
I
work
in
an
emergency
department
where
were
you
to
routinely
have
twenty
to
thirty
psychiatric
patients
boarded
in
hallways
that
look
like
a
1950's
dorm
head
to
foot?
Stretchers
with
security
guards
on
either
end
for
days
on
end
with
very
little
health
care,
and
these
are
people
that
have
shown
up
in
our
emergency
department
with
suicidal
ideation
and
intent.
They
don't
receive
the
care
they
need.
There's
this
huge
shortfall
in
funding
and
services
for
these
folks
who
are
victims
or
potentials
victims
of
suicide
by
various
methods.
O
P
You
very
much
for
for
coming
today
and
I
appreciate
your
telling
us
your
story.
My
my
memory
of
the
data
is
that
the
presence
of
a
firearm
in
a
home
when
tuples
the
likelihood
of
a
accidental
death
of
a
child
I
dramatically
increases
the
rate
of
suicide
of
suicide
in
a
household
and
also
increases
the
likelihood
of
domestic
murder
in
a
household
am
I,
correct.
O
P
O
P
O
Overall
data,
unfortunately
you're
smart,
and
this
is
what
we
have
to
be
very
careful
with
this
year,
parsing
that
date
is
parsed
or
a
very
small
data
set.
In
other
words,
if
you
have
you
know
five
people
committing
suicide
and
for
them
or
by
handgun,
in
a
situation
where
you
have
you
know
millions
of
people,
then
yes,
you
can
show
that
there's
a
quintuplet
of
race.
O
So
if
your
rates
quintuple
and
you
go
from-
let's
say
as
an
example,
one
in
a
hundred
thousand
and
that
quintuple
is
to
four
in
a
hundred
thousand,
it's
still
four
out
of
a
hundred
thousand
other
words,
it's
an
extremely
low
number.
These
are
extremely
rare
events
that
you're
talking
about.
So
if
you
decide
to
parse
that
by
saying
your
your
risk,
quintuple
is
if
your
risk
starts
out
and
an
extremely
low
rate,
that
quintuplet
of
risk
remains
at
an
extremely
low
rate
of
events.
Thank.
P
D
O
Very
loose:
it's
basically,
we
got
together.
I
wrote
a
an
op-ed
for
the
National
Post
outlining
some
of
the
points
that
I've
just
presented
here
after
another
group
in
here
in
Toronto,
called
for
a
gun
ban,
and
so
we
wanted
to
and
instantly
there
was
a
number
of
people
who
got
together
through
Facebook
and
other
connections
who
wanted
to
speak
up
against
gun
bans
that
were
motivated.
We
felt
by
a
very
local
situation
that
wouldn't
be
helped
by
gun
bans,
so.
O
O
Is
no
leadership
we
just
keep
in
touch
and
we
share
information.
I
nin
dividuals
use
me
can
I
answer
the
question
I'm
we
have.
We
have
individuals
who
various
strengths,
what
a
couple
of
the
individuals
have
presented
in
Senate
committees
and
are
aware
of
the
literature
and
our
gathering
literature
and
share
that
literature
with
us
so
that
we
can
be
science
and
evidence
based
so.
D
O
O
The
pishon
petition
received
no
signatures
in
our
department,
the
emergency
tomorrow,
mesentery
and
in
fact,
I
was
approached
by
many
of
my
colleagues
in
the
hospital
at
the
time
thanking
us
for
coming
out
and
outlining
what
the
regulations
are
for
firearms
ownership,
what
the
issues
are
for
legal
firearms,
ownership
versus
illegal
firearms
ownership
and,
in
fact,
many
many
health
care
workers
that
I
work
with
are
legal,
firearms
owners
and
shooters,
and
none
of
us
are
picking
up
a
gun
to
kill
anyone.
We're.
D
C
C
O
Have
no
affiliations
we're
literally
a
loose
group
of
physicians.
Let
me
put
into
perspective
as
health
care
workers.
If
we
speak
up
in
support
of
firearms
in
the
peaceful
use
of
firearms,
the
sporting
use
of
firearms,
then,
in
fact
we
are
vilified.
One
of
the
members
that
mr.
Layton
has
referred
to
was
actually
threatened
with
with
job
action,
because
she
simply
spoke
up
in
support
of
her
her
sport,
which
is.
C
Question
I
just
want
to
know
what
was
your
relationship
because
a
relationship
between
your
organization,
the
doctors
for
firearms
safety
and
responsibility
and
the
Canadian
sporting
arms
and
ammunition
Association?
What's
the
relationship
between
these
two
organizations
and
they
organize
that
your
organization
and
the
gun
lobby
in
general,
we.
O
P
Good
morning,
members
of
the
Toronto
Board
of
Health
and
members
of
the
audience,
my
name
is
Charles
H
and
I
am
the
executive
director
of
Canada's
national
firearms.
Association
NFA
is
Canada's
longest
standing
and
most
effective
gun
rights,
advocacy
organization.
We
represent
the
interests
of
law-abiding
Canadian
firearms
owners
and
users.
The
NFA
is
also
the
longest
gun
rights
organization,
fighting
for
the
rights
of
Canadians,
both
domestically
and
internationally
I'm.
P
Urban
criminal
crime
touches
on
issues
central
to
Canadian
life,
as
more
residents
are
killed
or
injured
in
wanton
criminal
gunplay
community
leaders
are
under
the
gun
to
find
effective
solutions
for
the
record.
Law-Abiding
canadian
firearms
owners
who
live
in
these
communities
share
the
same
goals.
P
Toronto
City
Council
has
already
waded
into
this
ongoing
problem
by
requesting
that
the
federal
government
ban
legal,
handguns
and
lawful
purchases
of
ammunition
in
Toronto
as
a
deterrence
to
ongoing
criminal
violence,
the
Toronto
medical
office
asserted
that
medical
officer
of
Health
has
echoed
the
city's
sentiment
by
also
calling
for
a
gun
and
ammunition
ban.
It
is
cited
as
recommendation
five
and
six.
As
you
know,
in
her
supporting
report
title
community
violence
in
Toronto,
she
cites,
given
the
evidence
related
to
access
to
guns.
P
This
report
recommends
that
the
Board
of
Health
urged
the
federal
government
to
place
limits
on
the
supply
and
access
to
firearms.
Although,
unlike
many
parts
of
her
report,
this
particular
statement
has
no
citation
to
a
source
of
substantiation
in
the
references
of
the
report.
I
have
combed
through
all
the
presented
attachments
and
cannot
find
any
reference
to
empirical
study.
That
concludes
that
banning
legal
firearms
and
ammunition
sales
will
deter
outlaws
from
acquiring
illegal,
handguns
and
ammunition
from
the
black
market.
P
This
hypothesis
of
banning
legal
firearms
and
guns
as
a
panacea
for
criminal
gun
violence
is
not
new.
It
has
been
tried
in
many
urban
centers
and
countries
around
the
world.
Most
notable
of
these
is
Australia
New,
York,
California
and
Canada.
Yes,
Canada
in
1990s
Canada
enacted
the
Firearms
Act,
which
is
now
the
centerpiece
of
our
current
gun
control
regime.
A
large
number
of
previously
legal
firearms
have
already
been
restricted
and
banned.
P
P
There
has
also
been
some
concern
that
an
increase
in
the
illegitimate
ownership
of
restricted
firearms,
in
particular
handguns,
has
increased
availability
to
criminal
elements
and,
consequently,
an
increase
in
homicide.
However,
regression
analysis
of
the
numbers
registered,
restricted
firearms
demonstrates
no
association
between
an
increase
in
ownership
or
homicide.
Our
recommendation.
P
The
evidence
clearly
suggests
that
gun
bans
result
in
no
public
safety
benefit
and
should
be
discontinued
as
a
public
safety
policy.
The
NFA
calls
in
a
Toronto
Board
of
Health
to
reject
a
medical
office
of
Health's
recommendation
to
ban
legal
firearms
and
emissions
ammunition
sales.
On
this
basis,
we
are
not
the
problem.
Gun
control
is
not
crime.
Control
refocus
your
crime-fighting
measures
on
criminals,
not
the
law-abiding.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration
and
the
opportunity
to
speak
before
this
esteemed
board.
Thank.
D
That
statement
you're
against
all
gun
bans.
Yes,
like
assault
rifle
you
you,
you
think
we
should
walk.
That
back.
Is
that
something
is
that
a
statement
you're
making
or
what
is
an
assault
assault
rifle
I
like
a
a
weapon,
an
automatic
weapon,
they're
already
banned,
but
but
you're
saying
that
that
bans
aren't
effective.
So
do
you
think
we
should
walk
that
back?
We.
D
C
M
Good
morning
and
thank
you,
honourable
members
of
the
Board
of
Health
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
today
about
violence
and
violence,
intervention
and
if
I
may
also
say
thank
you
to
the
previous
speakers
today
for
sharing
their
pain
and
their
passion
about
the
subject
as
well
as
the
ones
that
will
follow.
My
name
is
Brandi
Tannenbaum
and
I'm.
M
A
program
coordinator
at
the
Center
for
injury
prevention
in
the
Tauri
trauma
program
at
Sunnybrook,
Health,
Sciences
Center,
the
Center
for
injury
prevention
has
a
tradition
of
collaboration
with
agencies
that
support
shared
safety
objectives
within
the
City
of
Toronto.
We've
worked
extensively
with
public
health,
fire,
police
and
paramedics
services
on
initiatives
such
as
the
Toronto
Area
safety
coalition.
Our
longest-standing
collaborative
program
is
the
prevent
alcohol
and
risk
related
trauma
in
youth
or
party
program.
M
We've
been
proudly
delivering
this
injury
prevention
program
to
Toronto
and
gta
high
school
students
since
1986
our
work
is
driven
by
statistics
and
with
the
prevalence
of
violence,
traumatic
injuries.
We
strive
to
effect
change
within
this
cohort
at
Sunnybrook,
we've
seen
a
rise
in
gun
and
stabbing
injuries.
M
Simply
we
do
not
want
to
see
these
young
people
come
back
with
new
injuries,
and
I
must
emphasize
that
our
trauma
team
at
Sunnybrook,
where
we
see
numerous
cases
each
year
as
sorry
I,
must
emphasize
the
concerns
of
our
trauma
team
at
Sunnybrook,
where
we
see
numerous
cases
each
year
of
patients
who
come
back
to
us
with
new
violent
injuries.
More
than
this,
we
want
to
see
these
patients
thrive
with
the
support
they
need
to
live
long
and
healthy
lives.
M
To
that
end,
we
have
developed
a
new
hospital
based
violence,
intervention
program
or
H
VIP
to
promote
positive
alternatives
to
violence
in
order
to
reduce
retaliation,
criminal
involvement
and
re
injury
among
youth
injured
by
violence.
Our
program
is
called
brave,
which
stands
for
breaking
the
cycle
of
violence.
With
empathy,
H
VIPs
were
first
established
in
the
1990s
and
have
proven
effective
in
reducing
violent
injury
reoccurrence
as
well
as
saving
the
shared
cost
associated
with
the
care
of
these
patients,
and
this
is
evident
in
attachment
six
of
today's
agenda.
M
A
unique
feature
of
these
programs
is
the
public
health
lens
through
which
they
operate.
Like
other
public
health
issues,
violent
injury
has
identifiable
factors
or
the
social
determinants
of
that
put
people
at
risk
or
offer
protection.
We've
done
extensive
research
on
successful
program
models
from
our
counterparts
in
the
United
States,
and
we've
also
connected
with
our
trauma.
Colleagues
at
st.
Michael's,
Hospital
and
sick
kids.
M
We've
learned
about
the
tremendous
community
agency
resources
developed
right
here
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
and
we
believe
these
existing
programs
can
be
leveraged
and
built
upon
to
better
support
patients,
while
in
hospital
specifically,
we
have
connected
with
focus
and
the
youth
development
unit
we're
grateful.
These
resources
are
in
place
and
connecting
with
them
has
been
incredibly
positive.
The
hallmark
feature
of
our
brave
program,
like
other
hv
IPS,
is
the
culturally
competent
case
manager
that
is
able
to
reach
the
patient
in
a
critical
time,
often
referred
to
as
the
teachable
moment.
M
It's
in
this
moment
that
a
patient
can
reflect
on
the
factors
that
led
to
their
health
crisis.
It's
also
in
this
moment
that
an
alternative
pathway
can
be
offered
that
includes
connection
to
community
services
and
support
to
address
the
underlying
conditions
that
perpetuate
violence.
The
goal
of
brave
is
to
build
a
bridge
for
our
patients,
through
a
culturally
competent
case
manager
from
our
hospital
bed
to
focus
the
youth
development
unit
and
other
community
resources,
so
that
together
we
can
enable
the
possibility
of
hope
for
a
healthy
future.
M
Sunnybrook
is
poised
to
begin
delivering
this
important
program
immediately
upon
securing
the
necessary
resources
to
support
the
case
managers.
We
know
this
program
cannot
work
without
a
strong
collaborative
effort
and
Public
Health
approach,
and
we
look
forward
to
the
opportunity
to
engage
further
with
Toronto
Public
Health
and
the
City
of
Toronto,
as
we
operationalize
brave
I.
Think.
Thank
you
for
your
time
this
morning.
Thank.
C
B
Thanks
very
much
it's
honored
to
be
here
and
I
appreciate
you
giving
us
the
time
to
speak.
I
want
to
underscore
a
couple
of
things.
First
of
all,
I'm
the
president
of
the
Coalition
for
gun
control,
I'm,
also,
professor
at
Ryerson
University,
and
my
book.
The
global
gun
epidemic
was
written
with
Vic's
Adele,
who
is
the
past
president
of
the
American
Public
Health
Association.
So
for
the
past
30
years,
I've
been
working
on
this
issue.
B
The
public
health
perspective
has
been
very
important
and
it
goes
without
saying
that
I
would
echo
many
of
the
comments
made
by
previous
speakers
about
the
importance
of
investing
in
primary
prevention,
about
the
importance
of
recognizing
the
costs
of
gun,
injury
and
death,
extending
far
beyond
the
statistics
that
we
often
see
to
the
trauma
experienced
by
families
and
in
fact,
communities
and
the
importance
of
addressing
those
issues.
But
today
I
won't
really
wanted
to
focus
on
on
just
a
couple
of
things.
B
One
of
them
which
has
been
referenced
previously,
is
that
within
the
public
health
model,
there
is
recognition
that,
in
spite
of
the
focus
that
is
required
on
primary
prevention,
in
spite
of
the
focus
that
is
required
on
treatment
on
the
justice
system,
we
also
have
to
look
at
the
instruments
of
violence.
The
availability
of
firearms
is
shown
through
multiple
studies
over
the
last
four
decades
to
be
associated
with
increases
in
lethality
rates.
B
The
availability
of
firearms
does
not
cause
violence,
but
it
results
in
violence
having
much
more
dire
consequences,
more
people
being
injured,
more
people
dying
and
it
Arthur
Kellerman's
study
about
the
impact
of
a
gun
in
the
home
was
earlier
reference.
We
also
have
data
on
an
international
basis,
as
well
as
a
national
basis
that
reinforces
this
so,
for
example,
consider
the
case
of
Australia,
the
United
Kingdom,
the
United,
States
and
Canada.
B
When
you
take
guns
out
of
the
equation,
the
rates
of
homicide
without
firearms,
the
rates
per
hundred
thousand,
roughly
the
same,
you
put
guns
into
the
equation
and
the
rate
of
homicides
with
guns
in
the
United
States
is
five
times
greater
than
it
is
in
Canada
and
about
five
times
greater
in
Canada
than
it
is
in
the
UK.
The
UK,
with
sixty
million
people
had
about
30
gun
murders.
Last
year,
the
entire
country
had
fewer
gun
murders
than
the
City
of
Toronto,
so
the
accessibility
thesis
really
underscores
I.
B
The
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
emphasize
is
in
spite
of
the
good
intentions
that
perhaps
underpin
the
notion
of
trying
to
encourage
cities
to
acquire
the
power
to
prohibit
the
sale
of
handguns
and
the
availability
of
handguns,
there's
very
little
evidence
that
those
sorts
of
local
measures
will
have
the
impact
that
is
required
because
guns
flow
across
open
borders
and
because
of
the
structure
of
power.
So
we
would
really
encourage
Toronto
to
join
the
other
municipalities
across
the
country
that
have
called
for
strong
federal
legislation.
B
B
Ted
Miller
published
an
article
in
the
Canadian
Medical
Association
Journal
a
number
of
years
ago
that
suggested
that
the
costs
of
gun
violence-
and
this
was
just
looking
at
pure
health
economic
costs,
six
point:
six
billion
dollars
per
year
and
I
would
argue
the
costs
go
far
beyond
that,
and
the
Department
of
Public
Health
could
actually
help
us
do
a
better
job
of
documenting
and
measuring
those
costs.
Thank.
C
P
You
the
point
you
make
on
local
bands
I
just
want
to
interrogate
that
a
bit
I
appreciate
your
point.
That
guns
flow
yeah
I.
Take
that,
however,
I
wonder
if
you've
thought
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
other
interventions
boards
of
health
have
made
and
how
that
changes
policy.
So,
for
example,
this
Board
of
Health,
together
with
a
couple
of
others,
recommended
a
pesticide
ban.
It
became
a
local
thing
and
then
it
became
a
province-wide
thing
to
ban
cosmetic
pesticides.
P
Similarly,
restaurant
smoking
and
workplace
smoking
City
of
Toronto
took
some
initial
steps
and
then
other
municipalities
followed
and
then
it
became
the
norm
and
higher
orders
of
government
took
it
on.
Do
you
think,
there's
a
value
in
planting
our
flag
and
saying
we
want
other
governments
to
follow.
No.
B
C
You
very
much
anyone
else
too,
for
questions
actually
I
have
a
question
with
respect
to
just
following
up
that
line
of
thinking
the
during
the
federal
election,
there
was
a
there
announcement
from
the
Prime
Minister
that
he
was
wanting
to
give
municipalities
the
right
to
ban
handguns
and
and
I
think
what
and
and
maybe
that's
seen
as
one
form
of
downloading
a
responsibility
to
the
city
who
would
enforce
a
municipal
handgun
ban.
As
you
see
it,
people
who
enforce.
B
C
With
respect
to
the
the
claims
from
some
of
the
previous
speakers
that
that
there
are
law
buying,
handgun
owners
owning
any
anything
from
semi-automatic
rifles,
the
shooting
rifles
right
down
to
handguns
and
that
a
national
ban
and
stricter
gun
control
would
actually
punish
those
legal
owners.
Do
you
believe
that
is
the
case?
I
think.
B
B
What
has
to
be
really
emphasized
is
the
story
about
law-abiding
gun
owners
applies
often
until
someone
pulls
the
trigger
most
of
the
shooters
in
in
mass
killings
in
this
country
and
elsewhere,
I
got
to
say
we're
law-abiding
gun
owners
until
they
pulled
the
trigger,
and
that's
true
at
the
Moss
shooting,
that's
true
at
the
Dawson
College
shooting
that's
true
at
the
Polytechnic
shooting,
and
it's
certainly
true
in
many
instances
of
domestic
violence,
so
those
boundaries
between
the
law-abiding,
folk
and
and
the
others
I
really
put
all
Canadians
at
risk.
Okay,.
A
B
Sorry,
counselor,
perks,
Ward,
but
you
would
know,
even
in
my
neighborhood,
the
the
experience
of
my
daughter,
who's
very
privileged
and
the
experience
of
the
kid
across
the
street
are
dramatically
different
in
terms
of
their
opportunities,
but
also
their
experience
of
violence
and
the
threats
that
they
have
had
to
them.
Personally.
B
Q
Thank
you
very
much.
My
name
is
Nash
Mohammed
and
I'm
a
trauma
surgeon
at
st.
Michael's
Hospital,
and
thank
you
for
the
privilege
of
the
floor
this
morning,
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
Canadian
doctors
for
protection
from
guns.
We
are
a
gratz
grassroots
advocacy
organization.
Cdp
G
is
a
national
organization
comprised
of
primary
care.
Physicians,
trauma,
surgeons,
emergency
doctors,
rehab
specialists,
to
name
only
some
of
the
medical
professionals
that
we
represent.
We
are
also
public
health
professionals,
nurses,
paramedics,
psychologists
from
all
over
the
country,
from
large
urban
centers
and
from
small
rural
communities.
Q
We
have
organized
because
we
are
alarmed
by
the
escalating
pace
of
gun,
violence,
preventable
gun
violence
that
we
are
all
witnessing.
We
are
witness
to
the
tragic
deaths
and
long-term,
downstream
effects
that
these
preventable
injuries
caused
to
families
and
communities.
I
would
like
to
make
the
point
that
these
bullets,
the
trauma,
does
not
stop
when
the
bullet
stopped
flying
the
trauma
reverberates
for
generations,
decades
and
generations.
Through
these
families
and
these
communities.
Q
We
see
DPG
our
plea
to
support,
please
to
support
the
resolutions
brought
forward
by
the
medical
officer
of
health
today
to
take
a
public
health
approach
to
community
gun
violence
because,
indeed,
gun
violence
is
a
public
health
issue.
We
urge
the
Board
of
Health
to
take
a
harms
reduction
approach
as
decayed
by
sound
public
health
principles.
We
urge
solutions
that
minimize
exposure
to
the
injurious
vector
in
this
case
in
the
case
of
gun
violence,
the
vector
of
the
disease,
is
the
bullet.
It
is
the
gun.
Q
We
recognize
that
this
motion
relates
largely
to
urban
and
community
violence
in
Toronto.
However,
we
would
like
to
bring
to
the
attention
of
this
committee
that
women,
and
especially
young
Indigenous
women,
are
of
greater
risk
from
femicide
from
gun
than
any
other
group
of
women
in
this
country,
and
that
is
because
of
the
proliferation
of
guns
in
those
communities.
We
would
also
like
to
highlight
the
tragic
issue
of
suicide
by
gun.
Q
These
are
preventable
deaths
about
75%
of
gun
deaths
in
Canada
are
suicide,
and
suicide
by
guns
are
particularly
lethal,
resulting
in
death
about
90%
of
cases,
I
think
a
previous
physician
said
he
had
never
seen
a
case
of
gun
death
by
suicide.
That
is
because
the
majority
of
these
people
end
up
in
the
coroner's
office.
Q
We
know
that
means
restriction,
matters
and
suicide,
and
we
know
that
getting
guns
out
of
homes
and
communities
will
prevent
deaths,
suicide,
homicide
and
femicide.
The
world
literature
is
very,
very
clear
that
countries
with
stronger
gun
legislation
has
stronger
gun
deaths
and
if
that
was
not
the
case
and
the
US
would
have
the
lowest
rates
of
gun
death
in
the
world,
that
is
not
the
case.
We
are
therefore
pleased
to
see
an
emphasis
on
decreasing
access
to,
and
proliferation
of
guns.
Q
In
this
resolution,
let
me
close
by
sharing
a
story
with
you
about
a
patient
who
is
a
person
after
all
and
important
to
consider
all
these
proposals
and
these
discussion,
the
person
at
the
end
of
it
I've
changed
some
of
the
details
to
protect
anonymity.
This
is
a
true
story
of
a
young
17
year
old
girl
was
shot
in
the
abdomen
last
winter
by
single
bullets.
She
was
transported
to
our
hospital
where
I
work
within
the
first
hours
of
her
arrival,
she
had
been
transfused
her
whole
blood
volumes.
Many
many
times
over.
Q
She
underwent
four
operations,
the
first
three
day,
the
first
three
days
to
stop
bleeding
and
control
and
sew
holes,
so
bullet
holes
in
her
GI
tract
to
prevent
contamination.
She
spent
about
two
and
a
half
months
in
the
ICU
attached
to
life
sports
attached
to
life,
support
her
family
and
her
bedside,
and
each
day
they
would
search
my
face
for
answers
that
I
could
not
provide.
After
about
six
months.
She
left
hospital
and
I
still
see
her
in
my
practice.
She
will
require
several
more
operations
for
reconstruction
of
her
GI
tract
and
her
abdominal
wall.
Q
C
C
P
Thank
you
good
morning,
Council.
My
name
is
dr.
Kevin,
Cheng
and
I
said
I'm
a
pediatric
emergency
doctor
at
SickKids
I'm,
also
part
of
the
Canadian
doctors
for
protection
from
guns,
my
story,
and
why
interested
started
14
years
ago,
when
I
was
walking
through
an
emergency
department
at
Humber.
River
finish
at
the
time
when
I
saw
a
four
year
old
little
boy
on
a
stretcher
with
a
doctor
and
number
of
nurses,
he
looked
pale.
As
a
ghost,
so
I
asked
what
happened.
They
said
he
had
been
shot
and
being
a
peds,
emerg
doc.
P
I
worked
quickly
and
within
about
a
span
of
50
minutes.
We
stopped
the
bleeding
intubated
him
game
and
blood
in
30
minutes.
We
had
him
on
ambulance
to
sick
kids
where
he
survived.
He
was
a
bystander
there
with
his
family
and
friends,
and
someone
decided
to
shoot
indiscriminately
into
a
crowd.
He
was
like
a
lucky
boy
because
he
strived
I
was
traumatized
then
to
realize
that
a
four
year
old
boy
could
be
shot
and
swore
that
I
never
wanted
to
see
another
child
in
my
emergency
department
today.
P
Yet
this
summer,
time
and
time
again,
we
have
seen
kids
come
through
our
emergency
department
shock,
and
it's
because
of
that
failure
that
I'm
here
to
plead
to
you
today
to
help
make
it
better
in
2005
when
that
four-year-old
boy
was
shot,
there
were
two
hundred
two
shootings
278
victims
this
year
and
we're
not
done
yet.
There
are
427
shootings
in
640
victims,
we're
on
pace
for
two
and
a
half
full
increase
from
2005,
and
we
owe
it
to
our
children
to
get
this
right.
P
The
public
shootings
are
only
a
tip
of
the
iceberg,
as
you've
heard
today.
Over
75%
of
deaths
occur
by
suicide,
and
if
this
committee
is
really
committed
to
public
health,
if
this
was
an
infectious
disease,
this
would
be
deemed
a
public
health
crisis.
We
need
to
stop
the
handguns
now
we
need
to
stop
the
ammunition
or
our
children.
We
need
to
get
this
right.
I
agree
with
what
has
previously
been
said.
P
We
need
better
public
health
report
and
we
need
more
details
that
the
data
is
not
disaggregated
enough
to
know
really
what
what
the
crisis
essentially
is.
We
need
to
cost
it.
We
need
to
show
that
there
is
a
public
health
implement
that
outweighs
the
the
value
for
for
businesses
in
our
country.
We
need
to
also
build
much
better
trauma-informed
support
systems
when
they
occur,
because
I've
worked
in
communities
like
Jane
and
Finch,
where
these
events
occur
and
it's
a
community
that's
traumatized
and
traumatized
again.
I
see
it
in
my
home
area
in
Scarborough.
P
B
F
P
Do
have
support
systems
and
structures
in
place
to
allow
that
to
occur,
but
I
think
it
goes
broader
than
and
then
that
it
really
goes
back.
So
we
can
do
the
individual
and
the
family
structure,
but
when
it
comes
to
actually
supporting
the
community
and
that
side
of
things,
I
think
that's
a
real
missing
piece
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
P
C
D
D
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
the
Board
of
Public,
Health
and
council
on
time
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
today.
My
name
is
Colin
su
Chi
Lam
I'm,
a
general
surgery,
resident
training
here
at
the
University
of
Toronto
I'm,
also,
a
graduate
student
researcher
and
a
citizen
of
Toronto
who's
lived
here.
All
my
life
and
I
want
to
share
my
experience
with
community
violence
from
all
of
those
perspectives.
D
You
know
we're
taught
to
do
a
lot
and
oftentimes.
We
can
do
a
lot
of
good,
but
in
another
sense
it's
heartbreaking,
no
matter
the
outcome,
because
when
these
victims
of
community
violence
arrive
from
the
trauma
Bay,
it's
already
too
late.
The
arrival
in
the
trauma
Bay
represents
to
me
a
failure
of
our
system
to
provide
with
to
provide
them
with
the
social
and
economic
opportunities
that
they
deserve
as
a
resident
of
one
of
the
richest
countries
in
the
world.
D
The
city
must
meaningfully
engage
as
it
plans
to
with
communities
giving
them
the
resources
they
need
to
make
themselves
whole
again
and
provide
all
of
the
residents
with
access
to
a
decent
life.
The
city
must
also
be
supported
by
strong
federal
legislation
that
reduces
access
to
firearms.
As
others
have
mentioned.
It
is
an
important
determinant
of
of
violence.
We
know
that
firearms
are
more
lethal
than
other
types
of
weapons
and
that's
a
fact.
These
bands
will
also
reduce
harm
from
accidental
injury,
domestic
violence
and
suicide,
as
others
have
mentioned.
D
As
a
physician,
a
researcher
and
as
a
citizen
I
think
these
are
important
steps
in
implementing
a
public
health
approach
to
community
violence.
With
other.
With
this
approach,
we
can
work
to
eliminate
the
upstream
causes
of
violence
before
they
result
in
a
visit
to
the
Toronto
Bay,
as
so
I'm
happy
to
present
my
stronger
support
for
the
Toronto
Board
of
Health
to
adopt
the
recommendations
of
the
medical
officer.
Thank.
P
D
You
make
a
very
good
point:
that's
you
know,
seeing
this
kind
of
violence
over
and
over
again
is
not
easy
and
I
think
that
there
is
an
increasing
recognition
in
medical
education
that
there
need
to
be
better
supports
for
people
to
manage
not
just
trauma
from
experiencing.
You
know
the
trauma
Bay,
but
there
are
lots
of
ways
that
medical
trainees,
you
know
suffer
from.
You
know
moral
crises
and
and
faced
a
lot
of
hardship
in
their
job,
so
I
think
that
there
are
resources
available
absolutely
at
the
University.
D
C
N
I,
don't
want
to
go
near
a
hospital,
it
gives
me
severe
anxiety
and
even
I
can't
even
drive
past
Saint
Mike's
hospital
without
having
a
panic
attack.
So
the
last
place
a
survivor
or
even
a
victim
who
has
spent
a
of
time
in
the
hospital
the
last
place.
They
wanted
me
to
get
services
in
a
hospital,
so
what
I
would
suggest
is
community
hubs
throughout
the
city
that
have
wraparound
programs
that
have
community
healing
within
that
community.
N
That
is
led
by
the
community
culturally
specific
for
that
community,
because
every
one
of
our
communities
across
the
city
has
a
different
makeup.
I
also
have
had
a
really
difficult
time.
Finding
support
for
myself
and
my
family
I
have
gone
through
three
different
psychiatrists
at
Centenary
Hospital.
They
are
very
impersonal
and
gave
me
incorrect
referrals
to
grief
groups
that
had
nothing
to
do
with
homicide
or
even
child
loss.
N
For
that
matter,
put
me
into
mindful
meditation
when
I
told
them
that
I
was
having
chronic
flashbacks
of
my
son's
death
and
which
gave
me
a
severe
panic
attack
and
I
couldn't
even
return
back
to
the
hospital.
So
when
we
think
about
how
we
deal
with
survivors,
it's
extremely
important
to
get
other
survivors
then
put
on
what
they
feel
is
right
for
them.
Majority
of
the
survivors
that
I've
spoken
with
don't
want
to
be
anywhere
close
to
a
hospital.
I
also
wanted
to
touch
on.
N
He
went
from
being
almost
a
straight-a
student
involved
in
soccer
basketball
and
volleyball
in
school
through
his
entire
education
up
to
grade
eight.
After
this
he
doesn't
mentor.
The
younger
kids
anymore,
he's
barely
passing
in
school,
he's
been
to
four
different
high
schools,
because
none
of
the
high
schools
have
support
available
to
him.
There's
no
child
and
youth
workers
available
in
the
schools.
N
He
doesn't
have
any
male
mentors
that
can
connect
with
him
to
deter
him
from
repeating
the
cycles.
He
has
thoughts
of
suicide.
He
has
thoughts
of
homicide
and
he
doesn't
care
about
anything.
He
smokes
weed
from
morning
tonight
to
try
and
suppress
the
thoughts
of
retaliation
that
he
thinks
about
every
day,
all
day
long.
So.
N
He's
just
one
person
he's
had
three
other
friends
killed
since
my
son's
homicide.
This
is
one
child
that
is
struggling
with
the
trauma
of
a
deceased
family,
member
and
Friends
that
doesn't
even
equate
to
the
countless
numbers
of
people
throughout
our
communities
that
are
struggling
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
With
the
with.
With
this
experience
and
with
what
dr.
chan
said,
we
need
to
do
this
right.
We
need
to
do
this
right
by
our
children
and
our
community
members,
because
it's
their
lives
that
are
at
risk.
Thank
you
very.
R
D
R
So
I'm
the
speaker
but
I'm,
representing
a
group
of
people
and
partly
represented
here,
Claire
Smith
and
Tilly
gray,
who
are
also
part
of
the
group,
but
I
will
be
the
one.
That's
speaking
and
I've
cued
up
30
seconds,
so
I
better
get
moving,
so
I'm,
Carrie,
Gauss
and
I
represent
a
group
that
was
affected
by
the
Danforth
shooting,
which
happened
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
and
we're
here
to
reinforce
some
of
the
things
that
have
been
said,
but
make
some
additional
points.
I.
R
First
of
all
want
to
thank
the
Board
of
Health
for
bringing
a
public
health
lens
to
this
because,
as
was
stated,
harm
reduction
really
is
the
goal
and
the
outcome
that
we're
looking
for
as
well
as
an
outcome
of
what
we
experienced.
You
know
when
violence
is
visited
on
a
neighborhood
in
a
mass
shooting
or
when
a
single
person's
life
is
unable
to
taken.
It
inflicts
a
multiplier
of
harm,
and
this
has
been
articulated
of
a
couple
of
times
and
you've
heard
studies.
We
could
add.
R
There
was
a
2012
study
by
the
Justice
Department
that
also
attempted
to
monitor
or
articulate
in
monetary
terms.
What
the
what
that
is,
because
there
will
be
a
competition
for
resources,
that's
what
it's
going
to
come
down
to
as
part
of
the
discussion.
This
order
of
magnitude
is
three
billion
dollars
a
year.
You
heard
other
figures
as
well
in.
In
our
terms,
that
means
there's
adequate
financial
argument
to
be
made
to
to
deal
with
this,
but
it's
also
about
the
pain
and
suffering
you
heard.
There's
a
multiplier
of
harm,
that's
even
greater
in
human
terms.
R
The
effects
are
well
articulated
by
some
of
the
groups
you've
heard
from.
In
our
case,
you
know
six
minutes
by
a
shooter
injured,
thirteen
people,
my
daughter
amongst
them.
There
were
two
young
women
who
were
killed.
It
was
a
community
that
was
turned
on
its
head
and
for
those
that
witnessed
and
are
still
dealing
with
this
and
I
think.
The
discussion
around
trauma,
which
is
part
of
the
recommendation,
is
an
important
one.
R
I
can
say
that
in
our
experience
it
was
difficult
even
acting
as
a
group,
to
try
to
find
the
right
kinds
of
resources,
affordable
resources,
the
right
making
the
right
connection
and
that's
an
area
that
we
would
like
to
see
addressed
in
terms
of
some
of
the
recommendations
here.
I
also
want
to
say
that
we
do
stand
with
the
other
groups
that
are
going
to
talk
about
root
causes
of
violence.
Absolutely
we
believe
that
that
was
part
of
the
issue
that
we
faced.
R
In
fact,
we
had
a
person
who
fell
on
the
margins
of
society,
I'm,
certainly
not
going
to
apologize
for
this
person,
but
through
the
Toronto
Police
report,
it's
very
clear
that
this
person
was
shunted
from
agency
to
agency
with
really
no
intervention
at
the
right
time.
He
filled
his
heart
full
of
hate.
He
got
a
hold
of
a
gun,
he
never
should
have
been
able
to
get
a
hold
of,
and
he
acted
six
minutes
and
then
ended
his
own
life,
which
is
also
a
tragedy.
R
So,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
these
things
need
to
be
addressed
in
a
holistic
manner
and
I.
Think
that
was
a
useful
part
of
our
story.
Another
part
of
our
story
is
the
fact
that
this
is
a
national
story,
because
the
gun
started
in
Saskatchewan.
It
started
by
a
retailer
who
imported
the
gun
perfectly
legally.
The
fact
that
the
gun
was
here
at
all
that
kind,
that
format
of
gun
and
I
think
that's
what
the
is
lost
in
this
is
leets
is
not
really.
R
There's
no
group,
that's
saying
that
no
guns
should
be
allowed
in
Canada.
That's
not
really
what
we're
saying
what
we're
saying
is
that
handguns,
which
are
easily
concealed,
such
as
in
our
case,
because
this
person
could
move
from
one
part
of
the
city
to
the
other
undetected
by
his
family
or
anyone
else
until
he
acted
it's
because
of
the
format
of
the
weapon
that
he
chose.
R
It
was
also
a
format
that
he
was
able
to
buy
accessories
for,
for
some
reason
on
a
credit
card
that
was
also
unchecked,
and
so
that
meant
the
capacity
for
the
amount
that
he
was
able
to
shoot
was
increased
as
a
result
of
that.
So
there
are
holes
in
the
gun
legislation.
We
believe
that
that
format
of
gun
handguns
the
format
of
guns
that
allow
for
rapid
fire,
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
a
site
of
salt
rifle.
These
really
have
no
place
in
the
world
of
sports
shooting
or
hunting.
R
When
we
engage
with
other
groups
which
I've
talked
to,
they
don't
see
any
place
in
that
and
then
can
be
eliminated.
We
can
completely
support
that,
and
we
also
would
say
that
while
we
would
commend
Toronto
putting
a
flag
in
the
middle
of
its
City
and
saying
yes,
this
is
something
that
should
happen
in
the
city
that
our
story
alone
should
tell
you
that
a
municipal
ban
would
not
have
prevented
an
illegal
gun
from
falling
into
the
hands
of
this
particular
individual.
R
We
know
the
news
item
for
in
Kitchener
in
November
the
4th,
where
a
person
has
been
arrested
because
they
had
250
guns
and
200
thousand
rounds
of
ammunition
in
their
home
and
what
possible
explanation
could
there
be
from
that?
And
this
is
a
licensed
gun
order.
So,
in
short,
we
encourage
and
thank
the
Board
of
Health
for
taking
a
broad
perspective
on
this.
We
encourage
that
legislation
around
handgun
and
assault
rifle
ownership
means
to
be
part
of
that.
R
We
encourage
and
support
that
a
broader
health
perspective
and
root
causes
need
to
be
dealt
with,
and
if
there's
one
thing
that
we
could
make
as
a
very
concrete
recommendation,
940
2,000,
restricted
pals
in
this
country
does
not
feel
very
restrictive
to
us.
Why
is
there
another
one
to
be
issued?
The
one
thing
that
we
could
continually
recommend
is
that,
right
now
that
we
just
stopped
issuing
restricted
pals
that
we
just
say:
that's
it
until
we
sort
this
out.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
D
R
Kristen's
back
okay.
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
the
board
this
morning.
Let's
see
I
actually
got
involved
in
this
issue
in
2010,
when
I
was
elected
as
a
school
board
trustee
and
started
getting
invited
to
funerals
of
young
men
who
had
been
killed
in
gun
violence
and
at
the
time
I
had
no
understanding
of
why
this
was
happening,
and
so
I
started
organizing
meetings.
R
Those
meetings
have
been
going
on
for
nine
years
now
and
the
involved
members
of
mothers
of
victims,
so
mothers
who've
lost
their
children
to
gun
violence.
They've
all
former
gang
members
who
are
now
trying
to
prevent
other
people
from
following
in
their
footsteps,
devolve,
researchers
and
academics
and
and
just
concerned
community
members,
and
the
thing
that
we
we've
learned
and
is
that
we
need
to
listen
to
communities.
R
We
need
to
listen
to
the
communities
that
are
most
affected
because
their
voices
are
so
so
rarely
heard,
and
the
what
I've
learned
from
them
is
that
they
they
want
to
address
the
root
causes
and
I'm
thankful
to
the
city
and
to
the
Board
of
Health.
For
actually
taking
this
approach
when
I,
actually,
when
I
was
on
the
school
board,
I
asked
to
sit
on
this
committee
because
I
wanted
to
bring
forward
a
public
health
approach
to
gun
violence
and
I.
R
So
you
know
I
think
the
city's
taking
the
right
steps,
the
poverty
reduction
strategy,
the
affordable
housing
strategy,
the
way
you're
handling
the
opioid
epidemic
and
I
also
want
to
thank
you
for
the
towards
peace,
where
you're
actually
going
to
be
hiring
people
from
low-income
communities,
with
the
lived
experience
to
go
and
to
try
to
broker
peace
deals
in
those
communities
to
find
non-violent
solutions
to
the
to
the
conflict.
I
have.
R
For
the
last
year,
I've
been
a
member
of
apartment
and
I've
got
to
say
that
I'm
absolutely
appalled
with
the
direction
that
the
current
government
is
taking.
It's
actually
feeding
the
root
causes
of
gun
violence
and
starting
with
poverty
and
and
the
growing
gap
between
rich
and
poor.
They
cancel
the
basic
minimum
income
pilot.
They
cut
funding
for
victim
imports
in
in
victim
support
services,
they've
cut
25
million
dollars
from
youth
programs,
including
focus
on
youth
and
other
programs
that
provide
after-school
programming
in
low-income
communities.
R
They've
cut
30%
or
133
million
dollars
out
of
the
legal
aid
budget,
they've
made
OSAP
cuts,
which
means
that
college
and
university
is
less
affordable
for
many
students
from
low-income
communities,
and
it
particularly
hits
them
so
I
would
I
would
like
to
thank
the
board
for
what
they're
doing
and
urge
the
province
to
reverse
some
of
these
decisions
and
I
know.
This
is
in
recommendation
number
four.
C
S
Thank
you
for
having
me
so
my
name
is
Jasmine
Ramsey,
Rose,
ie
and
I
am
the
manager
of
advocacy
Owyhee.
We
see
Toronto,
which
is
one
of
the
city's
oldest
and
largest
multi
service
women's
organizations.
Why
do
we
see
Toronto
offers
permanent
housing,
shelters,
employment
programs,
new
comer
supports
and
programs
for
girls
and
teen
mothers?
We
operate
in
11
locations
across
the
city,
including
in
Scarborough
and
Rexdale,
as
an
organization
committed
to
serving
and
empowering
women
and
as
an
organization
committed
to
social
and
racial
justice.
S
We
feel
it
as
important
to
speak
here
today
in
support
of
the
medical
officer
of
Health's
recommendations
for
two
main
reasons.
The
first
reason
is
that
we
have
actually
been
an
active
member
of
Canada's
gun
control
movement
for
the
past
thirty
years.
As
part
of
the
coalition
for
gun
control.
We
have
made
the
connection
between
gender-based
violence
and
guns.
Guns
figure
prominently.
An
intimate
partner,
violence
and
guns
are
often
implicated
in
femicide
and
in
misogynist
killing.
Sprees
such
as
the
one
on
December
6,
1989,
Edeka
Polytechnic
in
Montreal.
S
The
presence
of
a
firearm
in
a
home
also
increases
the
likelihood
of
a
woman
being
killed
if
there
is
abuse
by
500%.
The
second
and
more
pressing
reason
we're
here
today
is
that
as
a
Toronto
based
organization,
we
are
also
very
concerned
about
rising
gun
violence
in
our
city.
The
communities
we
work
with
have
been
directly
impacted
by
gun
violence.
Our
staff
members
have
been
directly
impacted
by
gun
violence,
and
when
we
look
at
who
is
disproportionately
impacted,
it
is
important
to
highlight
both
the
racial
and
gender
dimensions
of
the
social
problem.
S
So
we
recently
applied
a
gender
equity
lens
to
conduct
research
into
the
impacts
of
gun
violence
in
the
communities
we
serve,
the
findings
of
which
are
captured
in
our
report.
The
Forgotten
victims
of
gun
violence.
You
can
find
it
online
and
what
we
found
is
that
grief
and
healing
journeys
for
black
women
and
girls
are
complicated
due
to
the
intersections
of
racism,
sexism
and
socio-economic
inequities,
as
if
the
tragic
loss
of
a
son,
a
brother,
a
cousin,
a
father,
a
friend,
isn't
devastating
enough.
S
Women
are
forced
to
mourn,
while
also
fighting
for
positive
legacies
and
counteracting
racial
stigmas
associated
with
gun
violence,
they're
expected
to
heal
from
tragedy
and
deal
with
trauma,
while
caring
for
their
families,
while
remaining
pillars
of
their
communities
and
while
navigating
layers
of
systemic
racism
and
oppression
with
very
few
government
supports.
What
we
also
found
is
that
the
needs
of
racialized
girls
and
young
women
have
been
overlooked
in
discussions
of
gun
violence
and
community
solutions
to
violence.
Why
did
we
say?
S
It
requires
the
media
to
critically
examine
the
root
causes
of
violence.
It
requires
our
society
to
sensibly
balance
freedoms,
risk
with
responsibilities.
The
freedom
to
own
a
weapon
should
never
trump
the
safety
of
black
and
racialized
communities
in
our
city.
In
short,
we
strongly
support
the
proposed
recommendations
and
any
amendments
you
put
forward
to
strengthen
these
recommendations.
S
C
Q
Q
We
will
start
by
supporting
the
recommendations
in
any
amendments
to
those
I
am
the
executive
director
for
Caribbean
African
Canadian
social
services,
known
as
CAF?
Can
we
are
located
in
Toronto
North,
which
is
in
the
gene
Finch
area?
We
are
black
LED
black,
informed
and
black
mandated
agency.
That
is
acutely
aware
of
the
public
health
concern
that
stems
from
increasing
violence
and
a
spread
in
the
GTA,
because
we
live
in
every
day.
Q
We
are
here
deputing
in
collaboration
with
the
black
health
alliance
and
the
black
action
defense
committee,
so
that
would
be
valuing
the
Valerie
Steele
who
follows
addressing
community
violence
as
a
public
health
concern.
We
all
know
is
urgent.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
in
2005
the
black
Health
Alliance
tried
to
engage
others
in
doing
some
research
on
what
makes
prevalence
a
public
health
concern,
and
here
we
are
14
years
later,
still
trying
to
find
solutions
to
that.
We
understand
that
the
significant
investments
have
to
be
made
in
terms
of
addressing
this
issue
of
community
violence.
Q
This
type
of
trauma
is
shown
to
have
ever
lasting
psychological
impact
extending
to
adulthood
without
the
proper
intervention
and
therefore
the
going
concern
requires
our
urgent
attention
and
must
be
prioritized
and
intentionally
treated
as
a
public
health
issue
issue.
So
you
can
get
the
attention
required
by
municipal
and
other
governments
having
reviewed
the
report
of
the
Board
of
Health
regarding
the
public
health
impact
of
violence
on
the
City
of
Toronto,
we
are
pleased
that
these
recommendations
signal
a
significant
change
in
linking
violence
to
public
health,
while
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
Q
For
example,
the
study
conducted
by
this
Toronto
Public
Health
identify
two
recent
studies
that
examined
Toronto
homicide
rates
and,
despite
this
evidence,
the
report
from
the
medical
officer
of
Health
does
not
contain
any
specific
actions
to
address
the
disproportionate
burden
of
incidences
on
black
populations,
specifically
young
black
males.
According
to
the
April
2019
report,
promoting
health
and
well-being
through
social
inclusion
in
Toronto,
we
understand
that
social
inclusion
has
emerged
as
a
critical
issue
in
mental
health
and
social
policy
work
nationally
and
internationally.
Q
We
want,
therefore,
to
apply
and
recommend
some
of
the
following,
because
we
understand
that
the
basis
of
why
we're
here
today
is
also
founded
and
what
we
already
know
to
exist
in
the
roots
of
a
youth.
Violence
report
that
anti-black
racism
and
the
impact
of
the
health
and
well-being
of
black
Canadians
is
at
the
root
and
in
the
few
seconds
I
have
left.
Q
The
federal
government
has
committed
25
million
dollars
in
budget
to
on
to
honor
this
decade,
and
we
would
recommend
that
the
city
comes
that
the
Board
of
L
consider
looking
at
interventions
that
are
sustainable
that
are
culturally
safe
and
grounded
in
healing
principles
that
are
relevant
to
people
of
African
descent
and
blacks
in
this
country
as
a
way
to
mitigate
this
challenge.
That
has
brought
us
here
today
in
terms
of
addressing
community
violence.
Thank
you
and.
C
N
You
for
coming
in
story,
I
didn't
catch
your
recommendation.
Could
you
just
repeat
that
or
got
a
recommendation
to
identify
kolaks
sorry,
you
had
said
at
the
end
that
you
had
a
recommendation
to
identify,
collect
and
something.
Could
you
just
repeat
your
recommendation:
I
didn't
yeah
the
very
first?
Yes,
oh
boy
or.
C
N
N
As
a
follow-up,
because
because
they
were
good
but
I
didn't
get
it
all
down,
my
second
question
is
in
your
remarks.
You
mentioned
specifically
black
males
and
programs
for
black
males.
Could
you
kind
of
just
reiterate
that
point
again
like
what
do
you
think
we
need
to
do
or
are
we
not
doing
enough
or
where
we
fail?
You
I
think.
Q
We
need
to
understand
that
the
root
cause
of
this
the
violence
is
a
symptom
people,
hurting
people
will
hurt
people
including
themselves,
and
so
black
men,
historically
as
a
result
of
slavery
and
all
slavery,
and
all
of
those
traumatic
experiences
have
never
really
had
the
opportunity
to
the
attention
paid
to
their
needs
in
a
way.
Their
manhood
in
a
whole
set
and
a
general
sense
has
been
taken
away.
Q
And
if
we
do
not
start
to
really
be
intentional
about
engaging
black
communities
and
particularly
black
men
in
the
dialogue,
we
will
continue
to
see
what
we
see,
because
when
people
communities
and
initiatives
do
not
take
into
consideration
the
people
who
are
most
affected
by
that
to
help
them
build
their
capacity,
they
are
deemed
as
a
failure.
And
that's
what
we're
seeing
now.
So
I
am
saying
that.
There's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
in
terms
of
meeting
with
men
and
creating
healing
spaces
for
men
in
a
particular
way
that
makes
sense
for
them.
Q
C
T
My
name
is
Louie
March
I'm,
the
founder
of
the
zero
gun,
violence
movement.
It's
a
collaboration
of
over
40
different
organizations,
agencies
and
programs
across
the
city
of
Toronto
that
work
towards
this
very
bold
and
ambitious
objective
of
zero
gun
violence.
Most
of
you
in
the
room
think
I'm
crazy
because
they
don't
think
it's
possible.
T
But
my
response
to
you
to
my
wife,
my
mother,
my
friends,
is
that
we
already
have
zero
gun
violence
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
but
it
only
exists
in
certain
communities
for
certain
people,
so
if
they
can
have
zero
gun,
violence
and
Rosedale,
why
can't
we
have
it
in
Rex
Dale?
What's
going
on
in
Rosedale?
T
That
is
not
going
on
in
Rexdale
and
what's
going
on
in
Rexdale,
that
is
not
going
on
in
Rosedale
I'm,
not
a
rocket
scientist
I'm,
not
a
brain
surgeon,
but
if
the
City
of
Toronto,
as
resourceful
as
we
are,
cannot
figure
this
out,
we've
done
a
problem.
Zero
gun,
violence,
movement
works
across
the
city.
Everybody
works
with
us
are
volunteers.
T
Everybody
that
works
with
us
have
a
full-time
job,
doing
something
else,
but
they
decide
that
they
want
to
work
with
us
towards
the
first
slide.
I'm
gonna
present
to
you,
there's
not
too
scary
to
scare.
You
is
to
show
you
some
numbers.
Over
the
last
five
years
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
we've
had
2119
shootings
victims,
people
being
shot
3096,
that's
data
from
2014
up
to
2019
November,
the
9th
homicides
220
people
have
been
buried
due
to
gun
violence.
T
We've
got
a
problem
because
those
numbers
just
are
the
tip
of
the
iceberg.
When
we
talk
about
trauma
for
every
one
of
those
shootings
pay
for
one
of
those
victims
for
every
one
of
those
homicides,
you
multiply
it
by
10
and
you'll
get
the
real
information.
What's
going
on
zero
gun
violence
movement
works
with
mothers
who
have
lost
children
to
gun
violence,
but
we
also
work
with
people
that
have
been
responsive
for
it,
people
that
have
done
the
crime
done.
The
time
I
want
to
make
a
difference.
T
Our
perspective
on
the
gun,
violence
problem
is
gonna,
be
different
from
somebody
working
in
an
office
9:00
to
5:00
on
a
daily
basis.
We
will
see
the
good,
the
bad
and
the
ugly
in
the
City
of
Toronto
for
us.
Visiting
three
different
communities
in
one
day
is
not
unusual.
It's
normal.
We
go
into
communities
and
we
work
with
the
people
as
needed
next
one.
Please.
T
When
you
throw
a
rock
into
a
pond,
you
get
a
big
splash
and
the
ripples
come
out,
but
over
a
period
of
time
it
subsides
and
the
pond
comes
back
to
normal
when
you're
talking
about
gun,
violence
and
trauma.
When
you
throw
that
rock
into
the
pond,
the
ripples
come
out
and
they
continue
and
it
will
never
come
back
to
normal
and
that's
trauma
affecting
everybody,
whether
you
like
it
or
not.
T
Years
later,
different
part
of
the
city
learn
sites,
another
picture
of
playground.
No
children
communities
are
traumatized,
children
are
traumatized
and
you
will
never
see
them
out
having
fun
being
children
if
we
do
not
deal
with
this,
so
I
give
credit
to
the
Toronto
Board
of
Health
for
looking
at
as
a
public
health
issue,
I'm
hoping
that
you
can
bring
your
resources
and
means
to
the
table.
This
is
Toronto,
it
has
become
a
city
of
cities
and,
depending
on
what
city
you
live,
will
dictate
your
health
and
well-being.
That's
the
reality.
T
When
a
15
year
old
says
he
he
fears
living
more
than
he
fears
dying.
How
did
that
happen?
That's
trauma.
It
needs
to
be
dealt
with.
You
guys
have
opened
the
door.
We
will
work
with
you
to
make
sure
that
we
do
the
right
thing,
because
the
lot
of
work
is
being
done
with
no
results.
Please
make
sure
that
the
word
that
you
do
is
informed
by
correct
data,
because
there's
a
lot
of
data
out
there
that
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
us.
Please,
please,
please,
invest
in
it
incorrect
use
of
the
data.
T
C
C
C
J
The
one-by-one
movement
Inc
is
a
think
tank
and
a
speaker's
bureau
we're
a
group
comprised
of
former
gang
leaders,
former
extremists
and
organized
crime
figures.
Our
services
is
to
develop
and
implement
community-based
programming
designed
around
specific
community
needs.
We
are
currently
working
in
the
Rexdale
area
as
part
of
a
pilot
program.
We
have
launched
called
the
community
collaboration
tables.
This
program
is
rooted
in
organizing
residents
of
neighborhood
improvement
areas
to
help
collect
data
than
strategize
and
implement
programming
and
services
to
detour
people
or
help
people
exit
negative
lifestyle
trajectories
such
as
gangs.
J
We
are
frontline
boots-on-the-ground
organization
that
acts
as
a
megaphone
for
communities
that
feel
they
are
not
being
heard
by
those
who
can
help
influence
change.
We
approach
this
issue
of
combatting
citywide
violence
from
a
lived
experience
lens.
Our
client
base
consists
of
youth
parents
elders
from
diverse
backgrounds
and
living
these
communities
I'm
here
today
to
address
a
piece
that
does
not
seem
to
be
clearly
outlined
in
the
proposal.
This
is
the
interrupter
style
approach
or
what
the
city
is
calling
the
towards
peace
initiative.
J
You
utilizing
people
have
lived
experience
to
help
detour
people
from
negative
lifestyle
choices
and
developing
realistic
exit
strategies
for
active
or
organized
crime.
Members
from
my
understanding,
the
proposal
for
the
specific
sections
for
this
section
was
for
the
city
to
loosen
its
mandates
around
hiring
individuals
with
criminal
records.
J
To
accomplish
this
task
I'm
here,
to
testify
that
we
at
one
by
one,
have
such
a
model
that
has
had
success
with
our
growing
roster
of
formers
I
propose,
rather
than
using
a
model
that
has
already
failed
here
in
Toronto
example,
the
interrupters
from
Chicago
we
enter,
we
implement
our
our
existing
one
by
one
intervention
model,
though
it's
fair
to
say
that
us,
the
u.s.
influences
are
prevalent
when
it
comes
to
gang
activity
in
this
country.
This
is
a
homegrown
problem
that
needs
homegrown
solutions.
J
First,
why
not
contract
out
to
existing
organizations
who
have
already
been
putting
in
the
time
and
the
work
combating
these
exact
issues
and
have
an
intimate
understanding
of
the
variables
that
make
the
school
such
a
challenging
one
from
research
we've
collected,
we
have
concluded
that
by
implementing
the
one
by
one
intervention
model
I
mean
it
will
be
much
more
cost
effective
to
the
taxpayer
than
what
we're
seeing
now.
A
2015
Public,
Safety
Canada
report,
cost
of
crime
and
criminal
justice
responses.
States
and
I
quote.
J
Homicides
on
average
were
estimated
to
cost
between
four
point,
eight
and
five
point:
five:
nine
million
Canadian
dollars.
This
is
per
incident,
robberies
ranged
between
twenty-eight
thousand
and
ninety
two
thousand
secure
custody
for
adults
or
were
where
the
intimate
the
inmate
population
was
unspecified
averaged
at
eighty
one
thousand,
eight
hundred
and
twenty
per
prisoner
annually.
J
If
we
invested
even
half
of
what
these
combined
numbers
total
into
intervention
and
preventative
programs
like
ours,
not
only
will
we
see
a
decline
in
violent
crime,
but
you
would
see
a
huge
impact
on
the
total
economic
costs,
such
as
loss
tax
income,
both
victim
and
offender,
real
estate
value
where
violent
crimes
happen.
Frequently,
medical
costs,
lack
of
business
investments
in
areas
considered
to
be
gang
impacted
social
program
is
the
only
thing
that
can
offset
community
violence.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
N
J
N
J
C
T
I'm
from
organization
called
Operation,
prefrontal
cortex
I
myself
am
a
survivor
of
gun
violence,
a
lucky
one
bullet
in
my
back
that
travelled
through
two
people
and
was
able
to
walk
away
from
it
that
same
night,
as
we
heard
from
the
doctor,
shared
not
everyone's.
So
lucky
I
want
to
remind
everybody.
T
If
about
the
science
that
is
affecting
our
entire
planet
right
now
we
have
climate
change
happening
that
could
have
been
avoided
if
fossil
fuel
executives
had
listened
to
the
science,
we
have
people
dying
of
lung
cancer
that
could
have
been
avoided
if
Executive
listen
to
the
science.
Well,
there's
a
science
to
violence
and
aggressive
behavior
that
has
not
been
addressed,
and
if
we
address
it,
we
can
actually
make
significant
change.
So
violent
and
aggressive
behavior
can
be
tracked
in
the
brain.
T
The
prefrontal
cortex
for
decision-making
happens
where
social
interaction
happens,
violent
and
aggressive
people,
their
prefrontal
cortex,
lacks
volume
lacks
gray
matter.
The
amygdala
of
violent
and
aggressive
people
also
is
too
large
and
overactive.
We
have
now
understanding
of
where
this
comes
from
childhood
abuse
and
neglect
affects
how
the
brain
develops.
Children
who
are
abused
and
neglected.
We
have
found
that
their
prefrontal
cortex
lacks
volume
lacks
gray
matter.
We
have
found
that
their
amygdala
is
too
large
and
overactive.
T
Another
factor
that
affects
the
brain
in
this
way
is
chronic
stress,
stress,
shrinks
the
prefrontal
cortex
and
enlarges
the
amygdala,
so
we
have
children
and
adults.
It's
growing
up
in
violent
neighborhoods
that
affect
how
the
brain
develops
and
then
living
in
that
neighborhood.
That
puts
stress
on
it
and
our
organization
is
about
reducing
violence.
T
We
got
going
on
that
and
that,
along
with
that,
you
have
connections
between
your
prefrontal
cortex
and
your
amygdala
that
if
you
get
too
stressed
out,
shut
down
both
sections
of
the
brain,
the
blackout
that
you've
heard
of
that's
what
it
is.
This
is
happening
in
the
brain,
but
there
is
a
solution
and
the
science
again
backs
this
up.
Meditation
adds
volume
to
the
prefrontal
cortex
in
gray
matter,
adds
volume
to
the
hippocampus
and
gray
matter
and
shrinks
the
amygdala.
The
exact
reversal
of
what
we
got
going
on
operation.
T
T
This
is
the
science
and
again
like
I
was
saying:
our
planet
is
affected
by
executives
that
ignored
the
science.
Our
health
is
affected
by
executives
that
ignored
the
science.
Our
world
can
be
changed.
If
we
address
the
science
part,
one
of
our
program
is
to
bring
mindfulness
into
our
schools
at
all
levels.
There
have
been
many
many
studies
of
what
mindfulness
does
for
students
beyond
what
it
does
for
safety.
You
have
children
that
are.
T
Easy
to
care
that's
easy
to
carry
out
improve
a
mental
emotional,
social,
physical
well-being
of
young
people,
development
of
cognitive
and
performative
skills.
Even
better.
Look
at
this
greater
popularity
having
more
friends,
less
negative
emotion,
anxiety
before
we
even
get
into
reversing
the
effects
and
damage
of
what's
going
on.
We
were
talking
about
having
happier
healthier
better
students
by
bringing
this
into
our
schools.
We
get
to
everybody.
T
I
know
we're
talking
about
gun
violence,
but
again,
I
spared
the
south
to
all
violence
that
young
man
who
took
the
van
down
young
and
Finch
didn't
have
a
gun.
He
killed
ten
people
and
unlike
street
violence,
where
we
can
have
mentors,
go
out
and
find
the
kids
that
are
in
the
streets
when
that
boys
out
of
school
he's
gone
he's
in
the
wind,
we
have
no
way
to
find
them.
This
is
much
larger
than
just
gun
violence.
We
have
to
address
it
all
Julianne.
D
T
Working
to
bring
a
pilot
program
into
the
schools,
so
our
partner
is
an
organization
called
mindfulness
every
day
find
their
slide
mindfulness
every
day
they
have
been
working
in
this
space
for
over
a
decade,
so
we're
working
on
bringing
a
mindfulness
program
through
them
as
our
pilot
program
but
as
well.
I
am
also
I'm,
also
known
as
Director
X,
as
it
says
there.
I
directed
hotline,
bling',
I'm
well
known
in
the
community,
so
my
social
media
feed
I,
put
up
my
I
had
a
did.
T
A
TEDx
called
message
to
the
man
who
shot
me
where
I
go
into
all
this
we've
reached,
30,000
views,
I
have
just
in
the
social
media
plates
platform
and
all
my
speaking
engagements
I'm
also
spreading
this
message.
So
I
can't
I
can't
speak
exactly
to
how
many
people
were
reaching,
but
we
are
going
into
it.
I
do
want
to
jump
into
one
thing
that
goes
to
one-to-one.
If
you
can
see
pain,
kids,
not
to
kill
on
CNN
there's
a
program
that
and
I
highlighted
their
results,
Richmond
California
47
homicides
in
2007.
T
They
implemented
a
program
much
like
one-to-ones,
which
is
a
mentorship
program
with
a
twist.
They
did
a
fellowship
program
and
if
the
kids
matched
that
did
did
the
required
work,
they
got
a
thousand
dollars
a
month.
They
paid
them
right
and
within
that
program
they
went
from
47
killings
to
27.
That's
a
40%
drop
right.
So
as
our
program
we
want
to
be
in
the
schools
we
want
to
be
in
our
community
groups.
T
We
want
to
be
in
our
correctional
system,
our
police
departments
and
in
the
streets
there's
a
conversation
we
had
with
the
guys
at
one-to-one
and
looking
into
the
program,
which
is
now
called
advanced
piece
and
pulling
together
a
program
that
these
guys
are
doing,
because
that
gets
real
results
at
the
end
of
the
day.
I
don't
know
if
we
all
know
this,
but
we
know
this.
If
you're
not
in
the
streets,
there's
nothing
you're,
saying
to
these
kids
period,
end
of
story,
there's
no
words,
there's
nothing.
T
You
have
to
say
to
them
that
they
will
listen
to
I
want
I
want.
We
are
looking
to
bring
a
program
like
this
through
the
people
that
are
already
in
the
in
the
community
and
add
mindfulness
to
it
ultimately
giving
them
the
tools
they
need
to
move
through
life,
but
also
reversing
the
damage
of
the
life
they've
been
living
in
the
world.
They
were
just
born
into
in
many
cases,.
D
C
Any
other
questions
actually
have
a
question
for
you
with
respect
to
director
Laden
question
around
how
large
is
the
program
and
you
have
a
pilot
project-
that's
going
to
be
developed.
Is
this
formally
with
the
trial
district
school
board,
or
is
it
with
the
Catholic
school
board,
or
is
it
just
a
one-off
Innes
in
a
school
or
two?
We.
T
We
have
a
lot
of
people
that
when
they
hear
about
the
program
runner
help
so
we've
been
I've
sent
down
with
Michael
Lavin
I
believe
the
last
name
about
bringing
it
in
there.
Kurt
and
Singh
has
been
talking
about
introducing
us
to
people
so
folks
in
the
Catholic
school
board
in
Toronto
school
board,
again
mindfulness
every
day
has
been
working
in
this
space
for
10
years,
so
they've
been
in
the
Toronto
School
Board
for
a
very
long
time,
so
I
mean
people
hear
it
and
they
see
they
see
that
it
makes
sense.
T
So
there's
a
lot
of
people
in
help
and
one
last
thing
as
far
as
information
I'm
sorry,
our
website,
op
PFC
comm,
has
in
the
program
section.
If
you
go
to
the
program
section,
we've
written
two
documents,
one
for
schools
and
one
for
the
police
that
you
can
download
and
read
our
school
mindfulness
program
and
our
mindful
police
program.
That
has
not
only
this
information
that
I'm
giving
you
here
much
more
and
as
well
links
to
all
the
science.
If
you
have
any
questions,
if
you
want
to
check
out
the
studies
yourself,
it's
all
there.
T
C
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
I
was
very
helpful.
Okay.
Our
next
speaker
is
patience
of
Baru
nice
to
see
you
patience
and
actually
before
you
speak,
I
think
I'm
gonna
just
take
the
opportunity
to
move
emotion.
If
you
just
give
me
a
minute
or
a
few
seconds
and
members
of
the
of
the
board
I
recognize
that
we
we
have
a
generous
member
who
is
extended.
Who's
agreed
to
stay
a
little
bit
later
to
help
us
finish.
The
items
on
the
agenda,
so
I'm
gonna
take
advantage
of
that
generosity.
C
I'd
like
to
table
motion
now
that
the
Board
of
Health
extended
its
meeting
past
12:30
p.m.
lunch
recess
to
allow
the
board
to
complete
its
agenda,
and
we
will
strive
to
finish
as
soon
as
possible.
Okay,
any
pose
that
carries.
Thank
you.
Alright,
patience
when
you're
ready,
you've
got
four
minutes.
Alright,.
F
Good
afternoon,
everyone,
you
know
I'm
gonna,
start
off
by
this.
I've
never
done
this
before.
This
is
interesting.
I'm
gonna
start
off
by
quoting
an
artist
in
Toronto,
Drake,
specifically
I,
don't
know
if
I
can
just
I,
don't
know
if
I
should
I,
don't
I
don't
even
want
to
rap,
but
you
know
I'm
just
gonna,
it
sounds
better
okay,
he
said
kids,
kids
will
lose
their
lives,
got
me
scared
of
losing
mine
and,
if
I
hold
my
tongue
about
it,
I
get
crucified.
F
I,
don't
know
about
everyone
else
in
this
room
when
I,
listen
to
that
specific
lyric,
I
find
it
so
relatable
I
mean
and
I'll
leave
it
to
you
guys
to
answer
in
your
hearts
how
relatable
it
is
for
you
right
and
if
it's
not
it
says
a
lot
right.
I'm
gonna
amplify
a
lot
of
what
director
X
said
and
also
what
mr.
Lewis
said
because
I
felt
like
they
were
touching
on
topics.
F
They
were
touching
on
the
point,
rather
that
if
we
really
want
to
find
solutions,
you
know
we
we
have
to
really
be
involved.
We
need
to
really
enter
I'm
little
even
gonna
leave
what
I
wrote
down.
We
literally
need
to
enter
these
at-risk
communities
and
speak
to
the
people
who
are
not
just
one
affected,
but
the
people
who
are
committing
the
crime.
Why
is
it
that
we
are
so
afraid
to
tap
into
that
deep
core
to
tap
into
that?
F
To
that
place
that
hurts
the
more
the
most
and
speaks
the
people
who
are,
you
know,
speak
to
people
who
commit
these
crimes.
You
know
people
say
that
gun
violence
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
it's
beyond
us
I,
don't
think
so.
I
used
to
argue
before
saying
yeah
you're
right.
It
is
beyond
us,
but
we
still
can
do
something
we
can
influence
the
next
generation
of
youth
who
are
watching
their
brothers
and
sisters
live
a
certain
lifestyle,
but
then
I
I
stopped
to
think
and
I
won't
lie
to
you.
F
It
was
just
during
this
meeting
that
I
corrected
myself
and
I
said
you
know
what
patience
you've
been
wrong
for
a
very
long
time.
You
can
still
do
something
and
not
just
influence
the
new
generation
of
people
who
are
growing
and
observing
these
things
right,
but
the
people
who
are
currently
the
youth
who
are
committing
these
crimes.
When
you
look
at
the
people
who
are
committing
these
crimes,
they
are
young,
most
of
them
less
than
25
years
of
age.
You
know
Boston.
When
you
look
at
a
city
like
Boston
I
know
they
had
a
program.
F
The
mayor
and
I,
guess
a
puppet,
the
public
schools
they
partnered
up
and
they
created
these
programs.
I,
don't
know
if
I
wrote
it
down
here,
somewhere,
I
think
it's
it's
called
BAM,
yeah,
family
or
so
I'll.
Leave
it
to
you
guys
to
maybe
do
research
about
that.
But
what
it
does
is
that
it
trains,
young
men
from
at-risk
communities
to
be
able
to
live,
live
a
life
and
teach
them
to
be
more
manly,
excluding
violence.
F
You
know
a
lot
of
people
who
commit
these
crimes
apart
from
the
gang
violence
and
all
that
type,
even
including
inclusive,
so
being
inclusive
of
a
gun.
Gang
violence-
that's
happening
at
the
very
moment.
Like
one
thing,
if
you
really
want
to
notice
and
take
a
deep
look
at
to
what's
really
happening,
you
notice
that
many
of
them
who
are
committing
these
crimes-
it's
because
they're
angry
one
they
want
to
show
they
want
to
prove
something
to
the
public
to
their
to
their.
You
know,
fellow
members,
to
their
friends.
F
They
want
to
let
you
know
that
you
cannot
cross
them,
it's
proving
a
point.
So
why
can't
we
influence
them?
What's
stopping
us
if
you
take
a
bunch
of
teenage
boys
from
the
safest
suburb
in
North
America
and
you
place
them
down
where
their
friends
are
murdered
every
day
and
constantly
attacked
and
threatened?
You
signal
that
no
one
cares
by
obviously
leaving
room
for
silence,
not
saying
anything.
You
and
you
fail
to
solve
these
murders.
F
You
limit
their
options
of
escape
and
just
see
what
happens,
they
quickly
fall
in
line
with
exactly
what
has
happened
what's
happening.
You
know,
let's
talk
about
solutions,
there's
like
I
said:
there's
a
generation,
that's
growing
and
watching
the
news
and
they're
observing
our
reaction
to
what
is
going
on.
It
would
be
a
shame
to
indirectly
support
what
is
going
on
by
staying
silent
right.
We
need
to
actually
go
into
the
communities
and
I'm
telling
you
right
now.
F
F
F
We
can
actually
work
to
creating
solutions
by
actually
being
involved
with
the
community
and
and
talking
to
the
people
who
are
affected,
and
the
people
who
are
you
know
creating
these
crimes,
aren't
innocent
in
in
a
certain
environment
and
change
the
dynamics
of
Toronto
in
relation
to
the
city
of
Toronto's
gun
violence,
problem
that
we're
facing
today.
But
it
is
the
youth
and
you
cannot
go
forward
without
acknowledging
the
youth
in
our
risk
communities.
I
can
guarantee
you
that
put
all
the
guns
out
of
the
streets.
It
will
not
do
anything.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
K
My
name
is
Eddie
Martinez,
I'm,
coordinator
of
a
program
called
hope
and
young
Street
mission
hope
is
an
acronym
for
helping
offenders
on
probation,
Excel,
so
I
deal
with
the
so
called
street
guys
I
did
with
those
that
are
convicted,
those
that
are
on
parole
or
probation
or
any
smaller
calm
conflict
with
the
law
situation.
So
I'm
in
here.
In
all
what
everybody
said,
I'm
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here
to
express
my
perspective.
I
do
want
to
talk
about
that.
There
is
a
need
to
focus
on
victims
and
the
perpetrators.
K
The
victims
of
gun,
violence.
Of
course,
there's
a
lot
of
traumatic.
You
know
stress,
that's
that's
associated
with
it
and
then
you
got
the
armed
perpetrators,
the
ones
that
are
doing
the
violence.
We
have
to
focus
on
them.
We
have
to
bring
them
in
the
conversation.
There's
a
lot
about
banning
guns
or
don't
banning
guns
guns,
don't
kill
people.
We
all
know
that
famous
statement,
people
kill
people,
so
we
talking
about
guns
or
banning
guns
up
or
not
banning
guns,
that's
a
part
of
a
solution,
but
it's
not
the
primary
solution.
K
In
my
perspective,
right
is
the
people
that's
killing
somebody
right,
so
we
even
get
rid
of
the
guns,
a
person
that
want
to
get
rid
of
somebody
or
kill
somebody
or
hurt
somebody
he's
gonna
find
something
else
to
do
it
right.
So
we
should
focus
on
the
people,
and
most
people
that
are
affected
are
the
victims,
their
families,
of
course,
and
the
perpetrators.
What
we
don't
we
fail
to
really
acknowledge
in
a
high
degree,
is
that
people
that
armed
get
arrested
for
these
charges
will
come
back
to
society.
K
So
when
we
talk
about
community
health,
we
got
to
include
them
in
the
community
right.
We
got
to
include
the
jails,
that's
a
part
of
the
community,
unfortunately,
but
it
is
right.
So
we
got
to
talk
about
the
South
detention,
East
detention
and
all
these
places
where
these
perpetrators
are
housed
right,
they
will
come
back
into
society.
What
are
we
going
to
do
so?
Then?
We
have
to
now
say:
okay,
although
they're
there,
they
did
some
some
vicious
or
violent
acts
of
crimes.
K
In
addition,
I
want
to
say
that
we
want
to
arm
call
for
a
higher
dialogue
between
high-risk
communities
and
police
police
now
have
to
be
because
a
lot
of
money
goes
to
police
already.
So
then
we
we
want
to
make
good
use
of
that
money.
We
want
to
focus
not
because
police's
are
reactive,
not
proactive
police
respond
to
crimes,
they
don't
prevent,
so
them
responding
to
a
gunshot
is
not
going
to
do
anything.
K
They
just
going
to
get
evidence
and
have
videos
and
all
these
things,
but
so
so
what
I'm
saying
is
now
community
policing
is
probably
the
best
part
of
policing.
We
should
focus
on.
You
know
I'm
originally
from
the
US
and
I
watched
this
model
in
North
Carolina
and
also
in
New
York
City,
where
they
they
now
they
put
police,
couldn't
police
a
neighborhood
unless
they
was
from
that
neighborhood,
which
makes
a
big
difference
between
policing,
because
they're
invested
in
the
community.
K
They
understand
the
dynamics,
the
demographics,
they
understand
the
culture
most
relevantly
they're
connected
right,
I
used
to
be
officer
as
well.
I
didn't
mention
that
in
the
North
Carolina
state
of
North
Carolina
and
in
my
patrol
training
I
seen
my
sergeant
was
going
through
his
neighborhood,
not
his
neighborhood,
but
a
neighborhood.
Well,
his
neighborhood
is
from
there
and
he
was
patrolling
he's
seen
a
young
boy.
He
said,
Michael
Michael
came
to
the
car.
K
He
said
how
you
doing
and
tell
your
mother
here
in
church
on
Sunday
and
I,
just
and
I,
because
but
prior
to
being
involved
in
law
enforcement.
I
have
no
clue
of
how
police
work
out.
You
know
what
their
encounter
so
saying
is:
I
marvelled,
because
I
realized
that,
oh,
my
goodness,
because
he's
connected
with
that
young
man,
it
makes
a
difference
him
patrolling
that
neighborhood
is
a
better
respect
and
there's
so
much
invested,
meaning
relationship
building
right
that
is
already
established.
So
there's
more
trust.
How
does
that
relate
to
violence
and
I'm?
K
A
wrap
up
right
now,
gun
violence?
Now
people
on
the
streets
there's
a
code
that
says
no
snitching
right,
so
it
depends,
regardless
of
their
arm.
They
know.
What's
going
on
they're,
not
gonna,
say
nothing
because
there's
no
trust
between
them
and
the
law
enforcement
agencies.
But
if
we
redesign
community
policing,
we
could
regain
the
trust
and
a
lot
of
these
people
that
are
on
the
streets
are
guilty
of
crimes
that
are
not
convicted
or
didn't
hit.
The
jails.
People
would
now
speak
up.
C
F
This
can
only
be
accomplished
through
a
complex
examination
of
the
state
of
the
current
social
structure
and
I
really
need
to
underscore
that
the
failure
to
do
so
is
equally
as
violent.
I
cannot
express
the
enough
the
importance
for
the
government
to
become
intentional
about
addressing
racial
stratification
that
characterizes
predominantly
African
Canadian
communities
and
seriously
examine
the
effects
of
anti-black
racism
in
health
care,
education
and
the
judicial
system.
F
We
can
no
longer
accept
social
issues
such
as
high
unemployment
rates,
precarious
housing,
precarious
housing
situations,
social
exclusion
and
educational
policies,
inadequate
access
to
health
care
resources
and
disproportionate
representation
of
racialized
groups
in
the
penal
system.
As
normalcy,
it
is
necessary
for
the
government
to
apply
a
concerted
effort
to
work
with
communities
most
impacted,
to
create
and
implement
a
plan
that
will
counteract
the
system.
Systemic
challenges
that
my
community
faces.
F
C
C
F
F
Youth
violence
has
a
devastating
impact
on
our
community
and
loss
of
a
young
child
grandchild
or
sibling
or
a
friend
leaves
a
hole
in
a
soul
of
all
people
touched
by
the
death,
in
particular.
A
deep
sense
of
guilty
is
carried
by
the
mother
or
a
perceived
to
abra,
primarily
responsible
for
raising
a
child.
F
F
F
Amy
is
that
death
is
the
last
resort
before
a
child
is
killed.
There
is
so
many
stages
before
that
and
I
know
City
of
Toronto.
They
have
programs
zero
to
six,
so
I'm
asking
those
program
to
be
strength
that
every
child
goes
through
as
a
research
shows
that
a
child's
behavior
is
determinate
from
zero
to
six
or
to
seven.
So
why
don't
work
with
a
kids
when
they
are
young?
F
My
other
recommendation
is
that
the
version
program
that
the
police
had
when
a
child
15:16
steals
or
takes
a
chocolate
from
a
dollar
store
and
the
owner
Court.
Then
they
have
to
be,
and
they
are
a
program
that
instead
of
being
charged
a
program
that
give
counseling
and
and
talk
to
the
child
and
the
family,
that
program
has
to
be
culturally
appropriate
ones
and
has
to
be
strong
in
Etobicoke.
We
have
only
one
and
hardly
the
people,
they
don't
know,
and
they
don't
use
it.
F
C
You
have
habiba.
Are
there
any
questions
for
the
speaker,
seeing
none?
We
thank
you
for
coming
out
today.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
That
brings
us
to
the
end
of
the
public
deputations.
We
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
some
questions
of
staff
to
clarify
their
report,
to
seek
some
more
information.
Any
members
to
to
ask
questions.
I'm,
starting
with
director
McKelvey
then
followed
by
director,
Wang
Thank.
N
You
Madame
vice
chair.
My
question
is
about
the
recommendation
for
for
Phil
1:29
and
specifically
several
of
the
debutantes
spoke
to
the
location
of
services
and
that
they
not
be
necessarily
in
a
hospital
of
the
more
accessible.
What
is
the
status
of
this
bill?
Do
we
need
to
make
that
recommendation
here?
How
far
down
that
road
are
they
going
into
defining?
What
any
of
these
programs
could
look
like
so.
I
Through
the
chair
you
know,
with
respect
to
the
hospital
based
interventions
that
have
been
referred
to,
I
would
suggest
that
at
this
point,
the
way
the
literature
and
the
research
on
this
issue
talks
of
this,
and
there
is
good
literature
and
research
in
support
of
this.
It's
a
starting
point
at
the
hospital.
It
need
not
be
the
finishing
point
so
I
think
there's
an
opportunity
to
engage
when
people
are
in
the
hospital
related
to
firearm
injuries
or
events.
I
Many
of
them
do
end
up
crossing
the
path
of
healthcare
there's
an
opportunity
to
engage,
but
that
is
not
by
any
stretch
of
the
imagination,
the
endpoint.
It
is,
however,
an
opportunity
to
start
with
respect
to
the
bill.
My
understanding
is
that
it
is
before
the
provincial
legislature,
I'll
have
to
refer
to
my
staff
with
respect
to
how
you
know
how
far
along
in
the
process
it
is.
There.
N
And
then
my
second
question
is:
how
is
this
interfacing
with
and
you
list
all
the
places
that
you're
forwarding
this
report?
But
how
is
this
interfacing
with
other
City
of
Toronto
departments?
I
know
you
listed
the
Toronto
Police
Services
and
that
this
be
sent
there,
but,
for
example,
SDF
a
and
next
year
they're
undertaking
a
review
of
the
neighborhood
improvement
programs
and
the
methodology
that's
being
used
to
select
those.
So
how
is
this
being
passed
on
to
that
process,
and
does
it
have
an
opportunity
to
inform
that
so.
I
Thank
you
for
the
question
through
the
chair
or
our
colleagues,
many
of
our
colleagues
throughout
the
city,
we're
actually
engaged
in
the
preparation
of
this
report
and
we'll
be
engaged
in
respect
of
the
work
as
we
move
forward,
whether
we're
talking
about
the
community
safety
and
well-being
plan.
We've
got
representatives
here
from
from
SDF
na.
That
is
something
that
the
city
is
undertaking
and
just
a
reminder,
as
articulated
in
the
report.
You
know
community
violence
and
you've
heard
by
the
many
speakers
here,
multifaceted
issue.
I
When
it
comes
to
city
response,
our
colleagues
at
social
development,
finance
and
administration
are
the
city
lead.
We
do
absolutely
partner
with
them
on
many
many
fronts,
and
this
is
just
one
of
them.
There
is
a
comprehensive
strategy
that
is
underway
with
respect
to
the
development
of
the
community
safety
and
well-being
report.
We
are
actively
working
with
other
partners
across
the
city
and
I
can
virtually
list
every
division
for
you
of
the
city,
but
on
social
determinants
of
health.
It
is
yes,
so
suffice
it
to
say.
Yes
is
the
shoe
and
my.
N
Last
question
is
about-
and
this
may
be
more
for
a
CFA
and
I'm
happy
to
raise
this
with
them
as
well
outside
this
forum,
but
we
tend
to
respond
to
events
and
a
good
example
of
this
is
in
my
community
in
2012
in
Danzig
there
was
the
shooting.
There
was
a
14
and
a
23
year
old
that
died
on
a
very
tragic.
They
opened
a
community
hub.
It
was
an
end
unit
for
a
TC
Hz,
townhouse
complex.
N
I
Through
the
chair
very
briefly,
this
is
the
whole
purpose
of
public
health
right
our
whole
purpose.
Our
whole
reason
for
being
is
to
improve
health
status
or
to
reduce
disparities,
and
to
do
so
at
a
population
level
through
a
prevention
angle,
I
couldn't
agree
with
you
more.
We
must
bring
things
upstream
and
without
trying
to
you
know,
take
the
wind
out
of
the
sails
on
the
next
report.
You'll
see
that
we
actually
have
a
report
on
on
the
early
years
and
the
impact
of
investing
there
I
do
think
that
prevention
is
fundamentally.
I
We
do
need
a
reality,
things
that,
when
events
happen,
an
appropriate
response
is
required
absolutely,
but
the
fundamental
the
real
solution,
the
longer-term
or
sustainable
solution
rests
as
I
think
you're,
implying
in
your
comments
in
prevention
that
focuses
on
social
determinants
of
health
and
you've
heard
many
of
the
speakers
that
have
come
forward
today.
Speaking
exactly
to
that.
F
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair,
so
through
you
to
the
medical
officer
of
Health
ever
question
with
regard
to
the
recommendations,
there's
no
references
to
the
recommendation
to
the
board
that
this
will
become
an
annual
reporting
to
the
board,
because
we
cannot
have
a
report.
This
significantly
affected
every
ward
in
this
city
that
that
this
is
not
the
one
time
reporting
to
the
board.
I
F
F
Not
been
heard
or
not
being
supported,
one
of
them
I'm
very
distressed
to
hear
both
the
mothers
these
victims
and
doctor
generally
from
houses
for
Sick
Children
talked
about
the
fact
that
we're
not
having
enough
resources.
So
through
you,
madam
chair,
how
do
we
address
this
strengthen
that
recommendation
deal
with
the
issue
of
trauma
but,
more
importantly,
the
children,
the
witnesses,
because
right
now
we're
hearing
that
we
need
more
community-based
hubs?
How
do
we
ensure
the
2020
budget
through
this
board
and
City
Council,
because
not
just
this
item
here?
F
I
So
through
the
chair,
you
will
hear
first
of
all,
thank
you
for
the
question
you
will
hear
coming
up
in
the
next
report
on
that
which
we're
doing
in
respect
of
the
early
years
and
also
the
necessary
research
that
has
yet
to
take
place.
There
are
still
we
understand
much
about
adverse
childhood
experiences.
Our
colleagues
at
public
health,
Ontario
you'll,
hear
this
in
the
next
report
are
actually
undertaking
research
on
what
are
effective
public
health
interventions
within
the
public
health
mandate.
I
Population
level
that
can
actually
be
effective,
I
do
think
on
a
go-forward
basis,
and
perhaps
I
can
refer
to
my
colleagues
at
SDA
as
the
city
lead
for
community
violence
and
the
kinds
of
work
that
we're
doing.
That's
not
to
say
that
public
health
isn't
engaged.
They
are
the
lead.
However,
I
do
see
that
there
is
a
great
opportunity
in
respect
of
the
community
safety
and
well-being
plan,
because
those
aren't
specifically
they're,
not
just
reactive
pieces.
I
In
fact,
a
fundamental
component
of
that
which
underpins
community
safety
and
well-being
has
to
do
with
this
broader
social
determinants
of
health.
Yes,
it
involves
services
for
those
who
have
been
both
directly
and
indirectly
exposed
to
community
violence,
but
it
has
to
be
much
broader
than
that.
It
has
to
be
fundamentally
about
the
social
determinants
of
health,
the
conditions
within
which
people
in
our
city
and
in
the
many
cities
that
we
heard
our
deputies
refer
to
live
in
on
a
day
to
day
basis.
Thank.
A
I'm
and
through
you,
madam
chair
I'm,
you
know,
we've
heard
we
heard
a
number
of
examples
of
social
programs,
health
programs
and
other
risk
action-oriented
responses
to
gun
violence
in
this
city,
and
we
also
heard
that
SD
FA
is
the
lead
on
many
of
those.
Could
you
clarify
what
are
some
actions
that
are
within
the
direct
power
of
Toronto
Public
Health
in
in
taking
action
on
this.
I
Absolutely
thank
you
for
the
question
so
through
you,
madam
chair,
certainly
having
access
like
collecting,
reviewing
analyzing
health
status
data
related
data
to
violence,
working
with
police
partners
to
ensure
that
we
have
is
complete
a
picture.
Police
partners
would
only
be
one
set
of
partners.
There
would
be
a
broad
range
of
City
and
community
partners
that
would
need
to
be
engaged.
I
We
certainly
can
work
with
other
broader
public
Health,
Partners
Public
Health
Ontario,
in
particular,
in
respect
of
research,
to
understand
what
we
might
do
as
a
public
health
sector
and
in
particular
what
we
might
do
within
the
Toronto
Public
Health
context
to
advance
Public
Health
objectives,
improve
health
status,
reduce
disparities,
but
I
would
speak
writ
large.
Everything
that
we
do
that
has
to
do
with
social
determinants
of
health.
I
Absolutely
plays
a
role
into
this,
as
I
mentioned
a
couple
of
times
now
we
have
a
report
that
we're
about
to
hear
about
in
respect
of
the
early
years
and
understanding
and
interrupting
adverse
childhood
experiences
of
preventing
childhood
adverse
childhood
experiences,
where
we
can
so
I
think
we
have
a
number
of
programs
across
the
board,
many
of
which
fundamentally
have
to
get
at
those
social
determinants
of
health.
Some
of
them
we
do
directly.
Some
of
them
are
the
kinds
of
actions
that
we
engage
in
with
other
partners
and
we
influence
their
actions.
A
A
I
I
will
leave
it
to
the
board
to
make
determinations
around
which
recommendations
you
would
like
to
make,
but
certainly,
as
we
take
this
broader
lens,
a
social
determinants
of
health
lends
community
violence
would
have
to
be
part
and
parcel
of
that,
and
that
should
be,
and
it
is
and
will
be
part
of
our
actions
on
a
go-forward
basis.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
C
A
All
right,
I
have
a
number
of
motions,
mostly
influenced
by
what
we've
heard
today,
to
help
strengthen
the
the
recommendations
that
we
were
given
earlier
with
respect
to
this
report
under
number
one
I've,
just
added
disaggregated,
socio-demographic
and
race-based
data,
so
that
we're
very
clear
that
the
data
we're
talking
about
that
needs
to
be
identified,
collected
and
reviewed
should
be
the
kind
of
data.
That's
reflected
in
this
report.
The
kind
of
data
that
let
us
know
that
young
men
of
Somali
descent,
for
example,
are
more
influenced,
are
more
affected
by
the
health
impacts
of
gun.
C
A
Just
that
seemed
to
be-
and
this
is
one
that
I
would
love
to
have
some
conversation
about
it.
Would
it
seemed
to
me
that
that
is
a
fairly
open
and
broad
term
and
that
the
the
kinds
of
perspective
that
were
that
we're
thinking
about
adding
are
this
health
equity
approach.
It
should
say
health
promotion
with
singular
anti-racism
being
informed
by
trauma
being
informed
by
adverse
childhood
experiences
and
so
on,
which
isn't
necessarily
implicit
in
the
term
public
health
perspective.
From
my
view,
accessible
community
settings
is
again
in
number.
Four
refer
wording.
A
It's
emerging
as
a
really
important
determinant
of
Health
social
connectedness,
social
inclusion,
the
right
to
belong,
and
so
there
was
a
report
April
of
this
year
by
Toronto
Public
Health
on
social
inclusion
and
conducted
it
connectedness
and
as
a
determinants
of
health
and
I,
don't
believe
it
has
come
to
this
board.
I
may
I
may
be
wrong
about
that,
but
I
think
it
was
disseminated
outside
of
this
board.
I
would
like
to
see
it
come
to
this
board.
I
would
like
to
see
an
explicit.
A
C
D
Speak
just
just
very
quickly.
First
I
wanted
to
thank
MPP
Glover,
who
was
here
because
I
believe
it
was
Chris
that
put
four
first
put
forward.
The
motion
to
have
public
health
look
into
the
social
determinants
of
health
as
as
as
a
frame
to
look
at
violence
in
our
and
in
our
communities
and-
and
it's
really
actually
I
have
found.
D
This
whole
examination
quote
very
enlightening
in
my
own
sort
of
exploration
of
what
are
the
policy
tools
and
mechanisms
that
we
have
because
I
think
for
many
people,
I
think
many
people
were
were
like
me
originally,
and
the
knee-jerk
reaction
is
in
a
response
to
the
violet
to
violence
is
Right
a
bigger
check
for
cops.
That's
that's
what
people
want
to
say.
That's
what
politicians
kind
of
say
we
ought
to
do
something
got
to
do
it
right
away,
not
enforcement,
and
it's
looking
at
the
very
very
end
like
it's.
D
So
it's
so
short-sighted
to
put
your
focus
on
there,
because
there's
so
much
more
that
we
can
do
upstream,
that
is
a
is,
is
cost-effective,
will
get
results
and,
in
general,
all
of
those
things
contribute
just
society
being
safer.
Not
only
for
the
victims
of
violence,
but
for
everyone,
and
it
gives
everyone
that
everyone
is
better
off
if
we
start
solving
them
further
further
up
that
chain
and
two
things
that
that
came
out
very
strongly
today.
Here
is
one:
how
do
we
address
the
root
causes
of
violence
and
I?
D
D
I
just
think
we
need
to
get
it
into
policymakers,
heads
that
for
every
dollar
we
spend
on
an
enforcement,
a
$2
$3
$100
investment
in
in
preventative
and
policy,
written
in
poverty
reduction
and
in
addressing
the
root
causes
of
violence.
Is
is
money
well
spent
and
and
really
isn't
that
the
duty
of
Public
Health
we
talk?
We
talk
about
it
on
so
many
ways
in
public
health,
about
how
an
ounce
of
prevention
is
worth.
What's
the
a
pound
of
cure.
D
Thank
you
very
much,
and
so
I
think
that
it's
it's
critical
that
we
that
we
drill
this
into
the
heads
of
policymakers,
that
this
is
the
direction
to
go
so
when,
when
a
crisis
hits
not
we're,
not
leaning
on
this
old,
a
notion
that
the
money
is
best
spent
on
police
rather
on
on
prevention.
The
second
one
is:
how
do
we
take
away
the
tools
of
this
destruction
and
I
think
that
it
got
lost
in
part
of
the
debate
not
to
got
lost
and
there's
a
lot
in
this
report?
D
So
it's
it's
difficult
for
us
to
focus
on
on
all
the
issues
in
an
appropriate
amount
of
time,
but
I
think
it's
when
you
look
at
jurisdictions
that
have
gone
the
way
of
stronger
bans
on
weapons
on
guns,
they've
seen
results,
Australia,
Germany,
the
UK
and
elsewhere.
They
they
have
seen
results
that
our
own
Chief
of
Police
says
50
percent
of
guns
used
in
crime
have
alleged.
Thank
you.
D
It's
it's
it's
it's
my
turn
to
talk,
though,
thank
you
that
50
percent
of
were
legally
obtained
or
and
we're
either
stolen
or
got
into
the
hands
of
of
individuals
to
commit
these
crimes
that
the
BC
government
has
identified,
that
legally
and
domestics
or
domestically
sourced
weapons
are
a
serious
and
growing
concern
and
in
the
fact
that
two
individuals
went
out
and
bought
70
handguns
in
the
course
of
a
couple
of
months,
bought
them
legally
and
sold
them
on
the
black
market.
Those
are
serious
concerns
I'm
going
to
wrap
up
now,
but
we
can't.
D
C
Thank
you
very
much.
We've
got
four
minutes
to
finish
this
item
and
move
on
to
the
next
I'm.
Just
gonna.
Do
this
very
quickly
I'd
like
to
table
a
motion,
and
this
is
drawing
a
lot
on
what
was
said
by
the
deputies
and
and
and
almost
being
crowd-sourced
I'd,
say
I
think
it
complements
a
lot
to
the
emotions
that
were
just
moved
by
a
by
Kate
director,
Mulligan
I'm,
not
going
to
read
it
necessarily.
Oh
just
beyond
the
screen.
C
I
want
to
thank
the
deputies
for
coming
out
to
sharing
your
your
your
particular
point
of
view.
I
think
it
was
extremely
rich
in
terms
of
information,
but
also
the
fact
that
you
lived
this
experience
day
in
and
day
out
in
your
communities.
There
should
be
knows
necessarily
surprises
to
the
recommendations
that
are
coming
out.
C
I
think
that
what
we
need
to
do
is
have
an
annual
discussion
right
here
at
the
Board
of
Health
and
to
make
sure
that
the
social
determinants
of
health
are
necessarily
placed
over
the
the
the
the
subject
matter
in
this
case,
which
is
around
community
violence,
including
that
of
gun
violence
and
to
me
I
thought.
This
is
an
extremely
refreshing
conversation
based
on
the
the
juxtaposition
of
how
we
would
have
normally
had
this
conversation
on
the
floor
of
council,
which
would
have
been
all
about
policing
all
very
much
a
reactionary.
C
What
type
of
new
technology
can
we
deploy
and
and
having
no
conversation
very
little
to
none
with
the
communities
that
are
most
directly
impacted.
So
I
hope
that
we
are
able
to
adopt
these
recommendations
by
way
of
a
package
and
and
I
would
just
simply
say
that
unless
we
deal
with
the
issues
at
the
core
there,
it's
going
to
be
very
expensive
for
us
in
the
long
run,
and
we're
never
really
going
to
get
to
to
any
productive
outcome.
But
I
also
agree
with
Kelsey
Layton.
C
Having
a
stronger
gun
control
across
the
the
country
has
got
to
be
part
of
the
solution,
so
therefore
giving
people
opportunities
to
be
healthy,
more
housing,
less
poverty,
way
more
opportunities,
addressing
systemic
and
individual
racism
and
anti
black
racism,
and
then
making
sure
we
actually
don't
have
those
harmful
tools
in
the
hands
of
people
who
are
marginalized
and
at
risk
is,
is
has
to
work
in
tandem.
There
is
no
other
way
to
do
it,
and,
and
municipal
handgun
ban
is
not
going
to
get
us
into
any
productive
and
healthy
and
safe
community
space.
C
It's
gotta
be
national.
This
is
getting
to
the
vote
time.
Anyone
else
to
speak
word
yes
and
I
need
to
introduce
the
second
motion,
which
is
not
amending
any
of
the
recommendations
from
the
staff
I
believe
it's
already
on
the
screen
and
just
we're
going
to
have
to
get
to
a
quick
vote,
all
those
in
favor
any
opposed.
C
Actually,
sorry
I
should
probably
take
it
as
a
package,
so
that
for
director
Mike
Mulligan's
motion
my
motion
voting
on
this
as
a
package,
all
those
in
favor
any
opposed
that
carries
and
unless
adopt
this
report
is
amended.
All
those
in
favor
any
opposed
that
carries.
Thank
you
very
much.
We
need
to
move
to
item
number
two.
We
don't
have
a
heck
of
a
lot
of
time.
Let's
do
this.
We
can
do
this.
The
power
of
investing
in
early
years,
I
know,
what's
it
what's
that
we
just
lost
quorum.
C
A
C
Those
any
questions
of
the
mover,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
any
posts
that
carries
item
as
amended
all
those
in
favor
any
that
carries.
Thank
you.
We
dealt
with
that
item
in
in
30
seconds
very
impressive.
This
brings
us
to
the
end
of
our.
This
brings
us
definitely
to
the
end
of
our
motion,
our
meeting.
Thank
you
very
much
to
all
the
directors
who
stayed
behind
and
to
the
city
clerks.
Thank
you.