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From YouTube: Budget Committee - November 25, 2019
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Budget Committee, meeting 11, November 25, 2019
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Meeting Navigation:
0:09:43 - Call to order
Agenda Items:
0:12:07 - BU11.1 - 2020 Rate Supported Budgets - 2020 Water and Wastewater Consumption Rates and Service Fees (Ward All)
1:02:38 - BU11.2 - 2020 Rate Supported Budgets - Solid Waste Management Services and Recommended 2020 Solid Waste Rates and Fees (Ward All)
1:39:15 - BU11.3 - 2020 Rate Supported Budgets - Toronto Parking Authority (Ward All)
A
Welcome
I'd
like
to
call
the
meeting
to
order.
We
do
have
quorum.
I
think
we
have
all
of
the
members
of
the
committee
here
I'd
like
to
call
the
11th
meeting
of
the
Budget
Committee
to
order.
I
would
like
to
welcome
all
members
of
the
committee
and,
of
course,
members
of
council
and
any
members
of
the
public
in
media
who
will
be
either
listening
or
attending.
A
We
acknowledge
the
land
we
are
meeting
on
is
the
traditional
territory
of
many
nations,
including
the
Mississauga's
of
the
credit,
vienna
schwabe,
the
Chippewa,
the
Hood
nashoni
and
the
one
dead
people's
and
is
now
home
to
many
diverse
First,
Nations,
Inuit
and
maytee
people.
We
also
acknowledge
that
Toronto
was
covered
by
treaty
13
with
the
Mississauga's
of
the
crash.
A
You
can
award
course
watch
us
on
YouTube
at
Toronto,
City,
Council,
I,
actually,
I
want
to
thank
council
Bradford
for
filling
in
for
me
last
week
and
I
was
watching
on
YouTube
for
the
first
time
a
Budget
Committee
meeting
last
week,
so
it
was.
It
was
quite
quite
fascinating
on
youtube.
So,
if
anybody's
on
YouTube
good
for
you,
are
there
any
declarations
of
interest
under
the
municipal
conflict
of
interest
Act,
seeing
none?
Oh.
A
Excellent
can
I
have
a
motion
to
confirm
the
minutes
of
the
budget
committees,
meetings
on
October,
8
2019
and
November
15
2019
council,
Bradford
it'll
move
that
all
in
favor
opposed
that's
carried.
This
is
a
regular
meeting
of
the
Budget
Committee,
but
our
three
items
pertaining
to
the
review
of
the
2020
rate
supported
budgets
for
Toronto
water,
solid
waste
management
services
in
Toronto
parking
authority,
I'm
gonna
be
holding
those
three
items
we
do
have
some
deputations
just
want
to
remind
everybody.
A
The
launch
of
the
2020
rate
supported
budget
was
held
on
November
15th
executive
committee
will
be
considering
this
item
on
December
11th
next
week
or
a
couple
weeks
from
now
and
City
Council
will
consider
them
at
its
meeting
on
December,
17th
and
18th.
So,
let's
proceed
to
our
first
item.
We
have
again
the
three
items
11.1,
which
is
the
rate
supportive
budget,
water
and
waste
water
consumption,
11
point
which
is
solid
waste
and
11.3
of
the
toronto
parking
authority.
A
So
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
go
through
the
first
one
will
do,
will
do
the
deputations
there'll,
be
questions
of
staff
and
then
we'll
go
on
to
any
motions
and
whatever
and
make
decisions
as
we
normally
do
so
11.1
we
have
speakers.
We
have
five
speakers
who
have
registered
I'll
begin
with
the
first
Heather
Marshall
from
the
Toronto
environmental
alliance,
as
Heather
here.
B
You
good
morning,
everyone
it's
great
to
be
here,
I'm
here
today
representing
the
Toronto
environmental
liance,
a
nonprofit
organization
with
over
30
years
of
experience
in
urban
environmental
policy
and
tens
of
thousands
of
supporters
across
Toronto
we're
committed
to
building
a
greener
City
for
all,
and
we
hope
you
are
too.
In
early
October
city
council
unanimously
declared
a
climate
emergency
and
committed
to
applying
a
climate
lens
to
all
decision-making,
including
budgets,
to
explore
dedicated
financing
mechanisms
to
pay
for
climate
solutions
and
find
ways
to
accelerate
the
work,
that's
needed
to
reduce
emissions
and
increase
resiliency.
B
Given
the
major
floods
our
city
has
experienced
in
recent
years
in
the
extreme
weather
in
our
forecast,
our
city
has
a
big
job
ahead
to
climate
proof,
all
of
our
existing
infrastructure-
and
we
know
Toronto
water-
plays
a
significant
role
in
this
year's
budget.
You
will
have
multiple
opportunities
in
front
of
you
to
accelerate
climate
action.
Toronto
waters
proposal
to
consult
with
key
stakeholders
on
stormwater
pricing
is
worth
your
attention
and
your
support.
B
Here's
five
reasons
why
and
bear
with
me
some
of
it's
a
bit
technical,
the
costs
for
flood
protection
and
prevention,
as
well
as
stormwater
management
generally
are
rising.
We
see
that
in
your
budget,
but
individual
consumption
of
water
is
declining
thanks
to
water
efficiency.
Relying
on
continued
water
rate
increases
to
pay
for
stormwater
costs
is
no
longer
viable,
nor
is
it
a
transparent
financing
mechanism.
B
Second
reason
is
that
the
way
stormwater
management
is
currently
paid
for
is
unfair.
Some
large
stormwater
contributors,
such
as
parking
lots,
but
not
limited
to
them,
are
paying
nothing
at
all.
Well,
some
large
water
users
with
very
small
footprints,
such
as
a
beverage
manufacturer
or
a
high-rise
building,
are
actually
paying
far
more
than
their
fair
share.
A
stormwater
charge
would
be
based
on
the
size
of
the
property
and
how
much
hard
surface
area
they
have.
That
makes
a
lot
more
sense.
B
To
me,
properties
are
also
not
aware
of
their
contribution
to
stormwater
and
the
potential
flooding
impacts.
According
to
an
earlier
Toronto
Water
study.
These
large
properties
represent
only
1%
of
all
the
properties
in
our
city,
yet
they
represent
over
40%
of
the
hard
surface
area.
Assessing
and
charging
properties
based
on
how
much
stormwater
is
generated
on
their
property
will
create
an
accountability
mechanism
that
can
lead
to
transformative
change.
The
fourth
reason
is
that
larger
properties,
with
a
lot
of
hard
surface
area,
currently
have
no
real
incentives
to
adopt
solutions.
B
Stormwater
pricing
can
create
financial
incentives
to
manage
storm
rainwater
on-site
by
offering
financial
credits
on
their
storm
water
bill.
If
substantial
reductions
are
achieved,
that
savings
on
the
property
will
also
translate
to
savings
for
us
in
our
ATO
water
bills
and
the
infrastructure
that
needs
to
be
invested
in
and
lastly,
stormwater
pricing
can
motivate
properties
sustainably,
manage
rainwater
on
site
through
various
green
technologies
and
natural
infrastructure
solutions,
and
these
offer
multiple
benefits.
B
Green
technologies,
like
permeable,
paving,
can
reduce
runoff,
while
rainwater
collection
systems
can
actually
reduce
the
amount
of
water
they
may
need
to
purchase
from
the
city
if
they
can
reuse
it.
A
community
hub
in
Bathurst
fynch
that
we
work
with
uses
rain,
they
collect
from
their
roof
to
water,
their
community
garden
they're,
a
relatively
newer
building.
They
were
built
with
a
green
design,
but
some
of
our
existing
properties
and
buildings
really
need
to
be
retrofitted
to
adapt
to
climate
change,
building
natural
or
green
infrastructure
such
as
a
green
roof
urban
forests
bioswales.
B
They
can
produce
additional
benefits
like
energy
savings,
for
the
building
building
pollinator
habitat,
which
we
know
we
need
to
do
preventing
pollution,
because
the
water
that
ends
up
in
our
stormwater
ends
up
in
our
lakes,
rivers,
streams
and
it's
significantly
more
polluted
than
the
rain
that
falls
on
the
ground,
and
it
can
also
create
recreational
spaces
and
beautiful
spaces.
People
want
to
spend
time
in
to
ensure
that
the
cost
is
not
an
immediate
barrier
for
adopting
green
infrastructure.
We
really
encourage
that
financial
programs
are
explored
that
include
grants
or
loans
that
could
be
considered.
B
T
strongly
supports
Toronto
waters
proposal
to
consult
on
the
introduction
of
stormwater
pricing.
We
clearly
believe
that
the
scope
of
this
consultation
should
be
extended
to
all
industrial
commercial
stakeholders
and
include
various
financing
programs
that
will
incentivize
the
uptake
of
climate
friendly
solutions
like
green
infrastructure
by
completing
the
consultation
in
time
for
the
2021
budget.
We
hope
that
Toronto
City
Council
can
stick
to
their
commitment
and
pursue
dedicated
financial
tools
for
climate
action
next
year.
Thanks
very
much
thank.
C
B
To
me,
it
doesn't
make
a
lot
of
sense.
I
mean,
as
I
mentioned.
A
high-rise
building
is
a
good
example
where
you
know
there
could
be
a
commercial
building
downtown
office
building.
They
may
use
quite
a
bit
of
water
during
the
day,
but
they
have
such
a
small
footprint.
They're,
barely
contributing
any
stormwater
this.
This
kind
of
stormwater
pricing
would
actually
make
it
a
lot
more
fair.
They
would
actually
see
a
significant
reduction
and
how
much
they
pay
a.
C
Large,
a
large
apartment
building,
for
instance,
surrounded
by
a
park
and
that
that's
like
the
building
topology
and
a
lot
of
suburban
parts
of
Toronto
yeah
we're
right
now
they
may
put
their
stormwater
right
into
the
storm
drain
kind
of
give
them
an
incentive
and
would
reduce
their
cost.
Wouldn't
it
yeah.
B
I
could
definitely
reduce
their
costs
and
I
mean
we've
seen
examples
already
where,
because
stormwater
pricings
been
introduced
in
other
jurisdictions,
we
see
some
voluntary
uptake.
You
know
of
some
industries
and
commercial
properties
already
in
Toronto,
so
we
know
that
it
works
to
save
the
money
and
that
you
know
it
helps
with
their
public
image
to
be
doing
these
kinds
of
great
solutions.
But
without
some
sort
pricing
mechanism,
we're
only
gonna,
see
a
couple
properties
doing
it,
not
all
of
them
and.
C
B
We
know
that
Mississauga
has
passed,
one
I,
think
Kitchener,
Waterloo
and
I
believe
even
a
few
other
GTHA
municipalities
have
adopted
them,
and
then
we've
also
heard
from
from
groups
that
Windsor's
looking
at
doing
it
Hamilton's
looking
at
doing
it
Ottawa's
looking
at
doing
it
so
the
writing's
on
the
wall.
It's.
E
I
was
just
gonna
ask
cuz,
because
we
we
all
know
about
Mississauga
I'm
wondering
if
T
is
tracking
how
that
plays
out
in
Mississauga.
Have
you
been
monitoring
their
like
when
they,
when
they
come
to
look
at
the
annual
meeting?
Is
there
a
lineup
of
businesses
saying
this
is
terrible?
Please
take
this
away
or
people
just
moved
on
right.
B
It's
a
good
question:
tea
focuses
so
much
on
Toronto
that
we
haven't
been
able
to
monitor
as
much
what's
happening
in
Mississauga,
but
the
green
infrastructure
Ontario
coalition,
which
represents
a
lot
of
different
members.
They
probably
have
a
better
idea
and
and
I
know
they're
seeking
after
me,
so
my
field
ask
so.
E
B
I
think
we
definitely
can
you
know
these
are
the
inspiring
types
of
stories
where
we
can
show.
What's
already,
you
know
very
viable,
and
we
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
job
opportunities
that
can
come
from.
You
know
D,
paving
some
of
these
spaces
using
different
kinds
of
technologies
and
installing
something
else
there.
So
there's
a
lot
of
other
benefits
we
can
have
for
our
local
economy
too,
or.
E
A
F
Okay,
I'm
here
today,
on
behalf
of
the
green
infrastructure,
Ontario
coalition,
to
speak
in
support
of
Toronto
waters,
proposal
to
consult
with
industrial
and
commercial
stakeholders
on
the
introduction
of
stormwater
pricing.
So
green
infrastructure,
Ontario
coalition
or
geo,
which
I'm
going
to
say
4/4
time,
is
an
alliance
of
organizations
that
share
a
common
vision
for
a
healthy,
green
Ontario,
where
the
economic,
social,
environmental
and
health
benefits
of
green
infrastructure
are
fully
realized.
F
Before
speaking
about
the
benefits
of
this
type
of
stormwater
charge
and
of
green
infrastructure
for
stormwater
management,
I
think
it's
important
that
we
all
have
a
common
understanding
of
what
green
infrastructure
is.
So
green
infrastructure
is
defined
as
the
natural
vegetative
systems
and
technologies
that
collectively
provide
society
with
a
multitude
of
economic,
social,
environmental
and
health
benefits.
But
essentially
what
that
means
is
living
green
infrastructure
solution.
So
things
like
urban
forests,
green
roofs
and
walls,
parks
and
open
spaces.
F
These
solutions
are
important
because
roughly
70%
of
developed
land
in
the
GTA
has
no
stormwater
management
in
place
at
all,
meaning
that
storm
water
along
with
pollutants
go
straight
into
the
sewer
system.
As
significant
rain
events
increase
due
to
climate
change
and
as
the
city
grows,
there
will
be
increasingly
more
demand
on
the
current
system.
Green
infrastructure
solutions
are
a
good
complement
to
traditional
infrastructure,
decreasing
the
burdens
on
the
system,
as
well
as
providing
additional
benefits,
including
improved
air
quality
benefits
to
ecosystem
health,
aesthetic
value
and
the
creation
of
green
jobs.
F
We
support
the
proposal
by
Toronto
water
to
explore
a
stormwater
charge
for
commercial
and
retail
parking
lots,
as
these
properties
are
currently
getting
their
stormwater
managed
for
free
under
the
existing
system,
in
which
stormwater
services
are
funded
through
the
water
aid
and
therefore
have
no
incentive
to
reduce
their
storm
water
footprint
through
green
infrastructure
solutions.
Due
to
the
nature
of
these
properties,
there
are
also
potentially
large
sources
of
pollutants
from
salt
use
in
the
winter
to
oil
leaks
and
wear
and
tear
from
parked
vehicles.
F
For
example,
we
would
like
to
encourage
toronto
water
to
go
further
in
their
consultation
by
investigating
a
stormwater
charge
for
all
large
industrial
and
commercial
properties,
not
just
parking
lots
and
investigating
both
robust
financial
credit
programs
that
provide
sufficient
education
and
support
to
part
in
potential
participants
to
encourage
meaningful
uptake,
as
well
as
additional
green
infrastructure
funding
options.
We
also
encourage
toronto
water
to
convene
an
industry
advisory
committee
of
experts
to
support
their
consultation
by
decoupling
stormwater
management
from
fees
based
on
water
consumption.
F
The
City
of
Toronto
can
ensure
that
all
users
of
the
system
are
paying
their
fair
share
and
that
there's
a
secure
and
adequate
source
of
funding
to
create
and
maintain
a
robust,
enhance
stormwater
system
for
the
city.
Stormwater
user
fees
are
a
proven
financial
financial
solution
that
have
been
implemented
in
a
variety
of
municipalities,
including
Mississauga,
Kitchener,
Waterloo,
Ottawa
and
Markham
with
great
success.
The
proposed
stormwater
fee
and
incentive
program
will
encourage
more
adoption
of
green
infrastructure,
ultimately
building
resilience
and
creating
a
healthier,
more
vibrant
city.
Thank
you.
C
F
Is
actually
in
the
midst
of
doing
an
economic
impact
assessment
of
the
green
infrastructure
sector
in
Ontario
right
now,
which
will
be
released
in
the
new
year?
So
unfortunately,
I
can't
give
you
those
numbers
today,
but
we're
very
excited
to
have
a
look
at
both
the
current
landscape,
as
well
as
future
projections
under
a
sort
of
business-as-usual
scenario,
as
well
as
a
scenario
in
which
we
do
see
increased
green
infrastructure
adoption.
So
that
report
will
be
available
in
February.
Okay,.
F
A
G
Combined
and
thank
you
very
much
good
morning,
counselors
I'm,
Paul,
Scrivener
I'm,
director
of
external
relations
for
10
and
the
Fatima
is
heads
of
environmental
management
at
Atlantic.
Packaging
Atlantic
packaging
is
a
major
user
of
water
and
makes
a
box
board
from
recycled
material
only
so
it
uses
the
urban
force
to
do
this.
G
G
As
was
referred
to
earlier,
the
cost
of
stormwater
management
is
embedded
in
the
water
bill
and
for
a
company
that
is
using,
say
paying
a
million
dollars
a
year
for
water.
That's
about
18%
of
the
cost
ever
taken,
it's
not
insignificant
and
we
would
look
forward
to
participating
in
the
consultation
that
would
involve
the
icy
eye
sector.
G
It's
it
would
be
a
bit
of
an
adventure,
we
don't
know
exactly
where
it'll
all
end
up,
but
it's
something
that
has
to
happen
and
we
can
put
it
off.
We
can
delay,
and
but
this
is
that
I
say
is
an
urgent
urgent
thing
and
it
affects
everybody
and
so
I
hope
this
committee
would
put
forward
that
amendment.
Thank
you
very
much
happy
to
answer
questions.
C
G
C
G
Well,
many
of
them
are
large
water
users,
first
of
all,
and
so
it
doesn't
matter
about
this
footprint
of
the
of
their
facility,
whether
it's
a
big
one
or
a
small
one,
or
whether
they
have
a
lot
of
impervious
surface.
They
pay
for
that,
based
on
the
amount
of
water
they
use,
and
so
that
is
that's
unfair
and
the
city
has
recognized
that
for
many
years
and
there
is
no
incentive
to
do
anything
about
storm
water
management
and
I
should
say
one
of
the
important
things
in
my
understanding
of
stormwater
management.
G
C
C
H
I'd
like
to
step
in
for
a
minute,
a
lot
of
developments
now
have
to
have
stormwater
management
plans
as
part
of
their
development
and
I.
Think
that
that
is
new,
but
a
lot
of
the
older
facilities
don't
have
that
for
for
Atlantic,
for
example,
we
have
to
oil
grid
separators
on
our
facility.
We
also
have
a
bios
well
on
our
facility,
we're
also
looking
at
improving
upon
that
BIOS
will
so
we
are
doing
stuff,
even
though
we
are
not
currently
incentive
to
do,
but
I
think
it
would
really
encourage
those
medium
sized
companies
to
take.
H
Take
steps
right
now,
they're,
not
really
there
on
the
fence
and
and
we
want
them
to
participate
if
we're
going
to
get
a
hold
of
the
the
crisis
that
we
are
potentially
going
to
be
facing
because
of
storm
water,
we
need
everybody
participating.
I.
Think
a
one
fact
that
wasn't
presented
by
any
of
the
speakers
today
yet
is
the
level
of
the
grooc
of
the
water
table
in
certain
areas
of
Toronto.
H
So
a
little
water
table
in
certain
areas
or
Toronto
is
very
shallow,
which
means
we've
got
a
very
little
limited
depth
for
which
we
can
absorb
some
of
that
storm
water.
So
immediately
it's
going
to
start
to
runoff
in
those
areas
and
Cod
flow
caused
flooding
issues,
so
that
has
taken
to
consider
it
be
taken
into
consideration
for
properties
in
those
zones
to
try
to
do
a
little
bit
more
with
technology.
With
you
know,
with
new
paving
tech
techniques
like
the
the
permeable
paving
technologies
that
are
out
there,
that
can
help
that
issue
I
just.
G
C
E
G
What
I
see
here
is
that-
and
we
agree
with
this-
that
D
recommendation
D
talks
about
looking
at
implementing
a
stormwater
charge,
what
it
would
take
for
parking
lots
that
have
no
water
account,
and
we
want
to
broaden
that
out.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
I
CI
sectors
included
at
least
the
industrial
commercial
side
of
it.
When.
E
G
E
A
I
I'm
here
today
to
voice
my
support
for
the
proposed
stakeholder
consultation
and
to
recommend
that
one,
the
scope
of
work
be
expanded
to
include
the
investigation
of
stormwater
charges
for
all
types
of
impervious
surfaces
and
types
of
properties
to
commit
to
exploring
both
financial
or
to
exploring
financial
credit
programs
to
incentivize
low-impact
development
technologies
and
2/3
commit
to
completing
the
consultation
and
possible
rate
changes
in
time
for
the
2021
budget.
Urban
growth
and
the
associated
development
of
impervious
source
source
surfaces
fundamentally
alters
the
water
cycle
and
paths
of
water
within
our
urban
environment.
I
The
increase
in
runoff
generated
by
hardscapes
increases
the
frequency
and
severity
of
flooding,
increases
erosion
and
decreases
water
quality.
These
effects
are
hazardous
to
both
life
and
property
and
our
aquatic
ecosystems.
The
root
cause
of
these
environmental
impacts
are
the
volume
and
flow
rate
of
storm
water
that
runs
off
our
roads,
parking
lots
walkways
and
rooftops
in
established
and
odd
cities
like
ours.
We
do
not
have
the
luxury
of
building
in
fields
with
blank
slates,
with
all
of
our
modern
knowledge
and
understanding
of
flood
processes.
I
Consequently,
over
40,000
people
live
and
over
38,000
people
work
in
flood
vulnerable
areas
throughout
the
TRCA
watersheds
to
keep
our
infrastructure
in
a
state
of
good
repair
to
invest
in
the
needed.
Much-Needed
mega
projects
like
the
Coxwell
bypass
and
to
repair
damage
from
regular
and
repeated
flooding
requires
billions
of
dollars
as
a
society
we
chronically
undervalue
our
water.
The
structure
and
layout
of
our
city
creates
stormwater,
which
we
as
a
city
must
manage.
There
is
a
cost
to
this
service
and
we
must
find
equable
ways
of
financing
both
our
current
and
future
stormwater
management
needs.
I
Forward-Thinking.
Public
policy
has
a
great
capacity
to
create
new
economies
and
drive
innovations
throughout
industry
Toronto's
green
roof.
Bylaw
is
a
superb
example
of
the
positive
impact
strong
public
policy
can
have
on
both
of
the
Toronto
economy
and
environment.
As
a
direct
result
of
this
bylaw
Toronto
has
the
third
largest
green
roof
market
in
North
America,
with
over
300,000
square
feet
of
green
constructed
in
the
metropolitan
area.
I
In
2018,
aerial
images
of
Toronto's,
downtown
and
high
growth
area
show
a
mosaic
of
green
roofs
throughout
the
court,
each
contributing
positive
benefits
through
stormwater
management,
urban
heat
island
mitigation
and
urban
habitat
creation.
In
addition
to
these
environmental
outcomes,
the
bylaw
sustains
Ontario
based
jobs
in
green
roof,
design,
construction,
sales
manufacturing
and
supply
change.
A
well-designed
stormwater
charge
and
credit
program
has
the
potential
to
have
similar
effects
to
other
stormwater
sectors,
including
bio
retention
systems,
permeable
pavements,
infiltration
chambers
and
rainwater
harvesting
in
the
u.s..
I
The
federal
Clean
Water
Act
policy
and
policies
tied
to
maximum
daily
total
daily
pollutant
loading
to
surface
water
resources,
sustains
and
drives
a
green
economy
centered
around
stormwater
management
and
mitigation.
That
is
unmatched
in
Canada.
In
Maryland,
for
example,
you
can
find
entire
greenfield
subdivisions
with
fire
attentions
located
between
each
house.
I
The
per
meal
sales
of
permeable
pavements,
far
exceed
Canada
at
a
per
capita
level,
and
sediment
and
erosion
control
practices
used
during
construction
are
much
more
sophisticated
than
the
poorly
installed
silt
fences
and
torn
filter
fabric
catch
basin
covers
that
you
typically
see
at
GTA
construction
sites.
Moreover,
in
the
USA
there
are
over
1600
stormwater
utility
program
and,
to
my
knowledge,
there
are
only
21
in
Canada.
So
in
summary,
I'd
like
to
repeat
my
report
for
the
proposed
consultations,
it
is
a
first
step
to
the
creation
of
a
stormwater
charge
and
well
overdue.
Thank
you.
J
You,
professor
Drake,
and
also
I,
just
wanted
to
start
by
congratulating
you
for
winning
the
young
engineers
medal,
which
I
heard
that
you
won.
So
congratulations
on
that.
What
do
you
think
are
our
barriers
to
adoption
in
in
Toronto
to
permeable
pavements
like
what
are
the
misconceptions
that
people
might
have
that
may
keep
them
from
adopting
that
I
mean
you
gave
several
us
examples,
for
example.
So
do
you
think
that
part
of
our
problem
is
people
not
seeing
that
they
work
in
our
weather?
For
example?
J
I
So
I
mean
one
of
the
the
underlying
barriers
that
there's
a
lack
of
motivation
to
invest
in
some
of
these
technologies
like
a
perennial
pavement,
because
you
can
produce
stormwater
free
of
charge,
I
mean
you're,
not
responsible
for
covering
those
expenses,
and
then
there
there
is
a
lot
of
thought
that
this
this
technology
doesn't
work
or
that
somehow
it's
new
when,
in
fact
all
of
these
LEDs
or
this
green
infrastructure
has
been
around
since
the
80s.
So
they
function
very
well
in
cold
climates.
I
J
I
Don't
think
we
should
ever
be
implementing
a
single
technology.
I
think
that's
where
a
lot
of
our
issues
come
from
is
that
we
expect
to
see
a
one
size
fit
all,
but
what
we
should
be
doing
as
a
city
is
committing
to
managing
our
stormwater
on
our
own
properties.
Instead
of
piping,
it
off-site
whether
that
be
with
perennial
pavements
or
green
roofs
or
infiltration
chambers
or
rainwater
harvesting,
as
the
like
local
conditions,
soil
types
and
property
design
permit.
So.
I
That
the
incentives
really
should
be
linked
with
function
and
performance
such
as
peak
flow
matching,
sustaining
the
water
balance.
So
you
know
implementing
practices
that
are
going
to
allow
you
to
have
infiltration
of
Apple
transpiration
and
the
flexibility.
Because
that's
what
drives
innovation
right,
then
let
people
solve
the
problems
and.
J
Then
last
question
on
on
linking
to
that
and
people
solving
problems.
I
think
that
you
know
how
do
you
see
and
I
know
you
want
to
go
straight
to
residential,
but
do
you
see
any
merit
in
working
through
industrial
first
through
the
city
working
through
their
properties
first,
so
that
we
can
demonstrate
to
homeowners
come
because
I
feel
like
homeowners
right
now,
they're
really
struggling
even
on
you
know,
mitigations
for
energy
reduction,
for
example.
J
I
I
think
looking
at
the
City
of
Mississauga
is
a
very
an
excellent
example
in
terms
of
how
they
ultimately
implemented
their
stormwater
charge,
because,
even
though
there
is
a
charge
for
the
residential
that
the
people
that
have
to
pay
the
big
dollars
are
the
big
producers,
which
is
the
industrial
and
commercial
properties.
The
impact
of
the
homeowners
was
on
purposely
kept
quite
minimal,
because
a
small
individual
house
is
not
the
root
source
problem.
It's
these
very
large
roofs
and
parking
infrastructure
that
we
have.
You
know
in
the
industrial
and
commercial
areas
of
our
so.
J
A
C
K
Through
mr.
chair
that
came
into
effect
actually
at
amalgamation
when,
when
the
city
malaga
mated
it
put
together,
essentially
eight
different
operations
and
and
put
a
fee
structure
together,
put
forward
a
harmonized
rate.
We
then
reviewed
it
after
amalgamation
and
did
a
major
restructuring
of
the
water
rate
in
2007.
So
the
the
existing
two
block
structure
that
yet
that
we
have
in
place
for
water
rates
was
was
approved
by
council
in
2007.
K
K
That's
correct:
that's
an
indicative
of
a
couple
things.
One
was
the
infrastructure
that
you
had
in
this
in
the
city.
You
had
toilets
that,
were
you
know,
13
20
litres,
you
had
cooling
towers
that
were
flow
through,
so
we
were
using
a
lot
of
water
based
on
the
fact
of
how
the
city
developed
as
well.
C
K
What
I'd
characterized
water
consumption,
as
is
prior
to
saying,
2005?
What
you
saw
was
water
used,
was
very
close
closely
tied
to
economic
performance
and
that's
in
general.
So
when
we
were
booming,
we
would
see
revenues
rise.
When
there
was
a
recession,
we
would
see
water
revenues
drop
at
the
time
of
around
2005
when
we
were
pushing
very
aggressively
our
water
conservation
measures
and
people
were
starting
to
change
out
their
existing
infrastructure.
You
started
to
see
a
delinking
of
that
as
well
as
our
economy
started
to
change.
We
have
different
types
of
users
now.
K
The
studies
I
seen
on
costing
modeling
there
are
a
number
of
factors
that
affect
consumption.
Price
of
water
is
definitely
one
of
them.
Having
good
metering
programs
in
place
is
another
one.
Just
making
sure
you
have
full
metering
across
the
city
can
drive
20%
reduction
if
for
some
cities,
so
there
are
a
number
of
different
factors
that
drive
consumption,
but
rates
would
be
one
of
them.
K
Don't
know
the
specifics
that
was
quoted,
but
it
is
safe
to
say
that
there
are
a
smaller
number
of
accounts
that
do
contribute
a
lot
of
stormwater
runoff.
We
documented
all
that
in
our
report
in
2017
that
we
brought
forward
to
to
council
when
we
proposed
the
stormwater
charge
and
that's
why,
at
that
time
we
were
proposing
only
to
start
with
some
of
the
largest
properties
and
work
with
them
is.
C
K
K
Through
your
mister
sure,
yes,
the
United
States
is
very
different
and
throughout
each
municipality,
some
of
them
have
sewage
districts,
and
so
they
have
to
charge
just
separately
for
storm,
and
water
is
a
different
utility,
so
they're,
not
a
one
water
utility,
though
there
is
now
an
emerging
trend
in
the
u.s.
to
start
amalgamating
and
merging
towards
one
water.
The
way
we
have
Toronto
water
set
up
as
well.
C
A
K
To
you,
mr.
chair
the,
in
fact,
there
is
no
program
Council
and
approved
us
looking
at
working
with
Toronto
Hydro
to
do
cogeneration,
Jen,
yeah
and
and
hydro
Toronto
Hydro
was
the
one
the
lead
proponent
of
that
they
had
several
stops
and
starts
on
implementing
that
a
lot
of
the
reasons
were
tied
to
the
changing
nature
of
the
what
were
called
the
fit
contracts,
the
contracts
that
the
province
were
issuing
and
every
time
they
would
change.
That
would
change
the
economics
whether
the
proceed
or
not.
K
At
this
point
in
time
now
there
just
is
no
need
for
us
to
give
that
methane
to
anybody
else,
because
Toronto
water
has
plans
to
fully
utilize
the
methane
in
its
production
and
and
heating
systems
we're
looking
at
building
our
own
because
we
do
use
it
now
for
boilers,
but
we're
looking
at
making
full
use
of
that
over
the
next
year.
So
we
will
have
no
spare
gas
to
give
away
to
anybody
else
and
therefore
we
are
not
proceeding
with
them
anymore.
C
My
second
motion
is
a
standalone
motion
that
says
the
City
Council
request:
the
general
manager
of
Toronto
water,
in
consultation
with
relevant
city
divisions,
to
report
to
the
Budget
Committee
in
2020,
through
Kappa,
through
capital
variance
reports
on
the
potential
to
assist
with
funding
the
ravine
strategy
implementation
through
in
your
adjustments
to
the
Toronto
water
capital
budget.
I'm
gonna
speak
to
motion
B
first,
because
it's
it's
quite
quick.
C
C
Stormwater
infrastructure
I'm
gonna
make
the
exact
same
motion
with
respect
to
the
tax
supported
budget
with
respect
to
the
parks
and
parks,
forestry
and
rec
capital
budget,
because
if
that
ravine
strategy
comes
mid-year,
I
don't
want
us
to
miss
an
opportunity
to
start
implementation
by
waiting
for
the
budget
to
get
implemented.
Finally,
in
2021,
I'm,
pretty
sure
someone,
someone
last
budget
debate,
told
me
it
was
for
sure
gonna
be
in
this
budget
and
I'm
gonna
go
look
at
tape,
but
it's
not
and
it's
not
because
the
reports
not
ready,
yet
the
recommendations
are
ready.
C
Yet
I
want
to
make
sure
we
act
on
them
as
quickly
as
possible,
but
it's
not
only
a
Toronto
water
problem.
It's
also
a
parks,
forestry
and
Rec
problem,
and
it
feeds
into
my
second
set
of
comments
on
it's
a
climate
change
problem,
because
ravines
are
not
only
part
of
the
solution
to
managing
our
stormwater
but
they're,
also
part
of
the
solution
to
reducing
our
greenhouse
gas,
reducing
our
climate
emissions
by
being
strong
pieces
of
green
infrastructure
with
respect
to
our
treat
you're
achieving
our
tree.
C
Canopy
goals
are,
generally
speaking,
keeping
are
keeping
our
heat
lower
by
counteracting
the
heat
island
effect
our
city
is
experiencing
or,
as
part
is,
is
experienced.
Its
share
of
this
global
climate
emergency
that
we're
on
that
that's
going
on
and
you
don't
have
to
you-
don't
have
to
think
very
far
back
to
start
seeing
what
those
implications
are.
Every
year
you
over
a
year
we're
having
more
severe
storm
water
events
and
our
infrastructure
as
as
hard
as
Lu
works.
Just
isn't.
C
Keeping
up
there's
only
so
much
we're
gonna
be
able
to
deal
with
end
of
pipe
we've
heard
from
deput
intz.
We
need
to
do
something
to
put
an
incentive
to
property
owners
to
start
dealing
dealing
with
their
storm
water.
On-Site.
A
stormwater
management
fee
is
a
proven
tool
to
do
just
that.
There
are
other
jurisdictions
within
the
GTA.
Even
that
are
pursuing
this
as
a
tool.
Now
the
recommendation
that's
come
from.
Staff
is
to
start
looking
at
parking
lots
who
pay
nothing.
C
They
pay
nothing
for
stormwater
they're,
getting
a
service
from
the
city
because
we
manage
it,
we're
letting
them
put
it
into
the
sewers
but
they're
paying
nothing
for
us
to
treat
it
and
move
it
around,
and
it's
contributing
these.
These
impermeable
surfaces
are
contributing
to
these
major
flooding
events
that
are
flooding
our
expressways
flooding
our
transit
system
and
flooding
elevators
in
the
basement
of
condominiums.
We
need
to
do
something
about
it.
This
is,
this
is
I,
believe
the
first
step
and
part
of
that
solution.
C
A
E
I'm
not
gonna,
be
moving
any
motions.
Councillor
Layton
has
certainly
covered
it
for
us.
I
just
wanted
to
I
just
wanted
to
to
give
my
strong
support,
particularly
to
the
ravine
strategy,
piece,
we've
deferred
and
deferred
and
deferred,
and
we've
got
to
the
point
now
in
in
some
suburban
locations
where
TRC
a
property
leads
to
one
of
our
own
ravines
and
they're,
actually
doing
the
work,
erosion,
work
and
Andry
naturalisation
work,
then
you
reach
a
ravine,
run
by
parks
and
there's
an
old
expression.
E
Before
we
had
those
types
of
guidelines
that
you
couldn't,
do
that
and
then
simply
throw
a
bunch
of
seeds
into
the
ravine,
like
Johnny
Appleseed,
whether
they
were
were
compatible
with
indigenous
species
or
indigenous
species
at
all
and
just
choke.
The
river
I
was
able,
under
our
old
planning
regime,
to
negotiate
that
a
developer
who
was
ordered
upon
taking
over
property
to
move
his
buildings
back.
He
lost.
E
But
in
the
meantime
doing
what
we
can,
with
the
stakeholders
and
and
through
through
water
rates
partnering
and
to
keep
us
on
schedule
and
the
tax
supported
budget
is
really
really
crucial
at
that
point,
because
if
you
don't
I
can
tell
you
what
happens
in
that
ravine
that
was
choked
with
non-indigenous
species.
The
culvert
simply
blew
out
the
water
backed
up
because
it
hit
the
401
wall
and
had
nowhere
to
go,
and
it
wasn't
a
matter
of
the
water,
rising
basements
flooding
for
20
minutes
and
going
back
down.
E
J
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
I
I
will
be
supporting
the
the
motion
on
the
ravine
strategy,
but
I
am
very
leery
that
this
is
the
way
that
we
should
go
in
in
funding
and
supporting
the
ravine
strategy,
because
the
whole
intention
is
that
the
ravine
strategy
is
supposed
to
be
holistic
and
starting
to
break
down
silos
between
departments
and
recognize
the
roles
or
ravines
for
erosion
protection
that
there
are
invasive
species
in
there
that
we
need
to
there's
a
trail
and
recreational
component
in
it
and
recognizing
the
important
role
of
those
ravines
and
carbon
sequestration.
J
So
I
think
we
need
to
get
away
from
from
this
thought
of
looking
at
ravines,
with
grey
as
great
and
with
the
great
infrastructure
that's
in
there
and
those
upgrades
that
are
in
there.
So
I
agree.
This
could
be
one
one
way
to
fund
it,
but
I
don't
want
us
to
fall
into
that
old
way
of
thinking
about
our
ravines
and
the
whole
intention
is
to
be
more
holistic
and
so
I'd.
Much
rather
see
it
supported
in
the
end
as
the
ravine
strategy.
J
But
that
said,
I
recognize
this
is
a
report
back,
but
I
think
we
need
to
also
be
working
very
hard
to
advocate
to
the
provincial
and
federal
governments
about
funding
of
this
important
project
and
these
linkages,
and
so
I,
don't
want
us
to
to
falsely
show
that
this
mechanism
alone
can
fund
that
entire
project,
because
it
can't
and
so
I
just
want
us
to
be
clear
that
this
is
just
you
know,
one
small.
We
can
probably
get
one
small
component
of
the
total
funding
needed
for
this
and
not
box
ourselves
around
that.
So
thank
you.
J
A
You
any
of
the
speakers:
okay,
seeing
none
councillor,
none,
okay,
so
there
we
go.
Let's
we'll
go
to
the
voting,
then,
if
I
could
have
the
emotions
up,
please
first
one
is
emotion:
a
from
councillor,
Layton
I,
won't
read
it
all
its
before
you
all
in
favor
opposed
that's
carried
next
one
with
regard
to
the
ravine
strategy
and
report
back
all
in
favor
opposed
that's
carried
on
the
item
as
amended
all
in
favor
opposed.
That's
carried
great
first
item
done.
A
Next
will
go
on
to
be
you
11
point
to
the
2020
rates,
supported
budget,
solid
waste
management
services
and
recommended
2020,
solid
waste
rates
and
fees.
We
do
have
two
speakers,
I
ask
Rob
dyes,
wits
and
I'm,
hoping
I'm
pronouncing
that
correctly
and
Emily
Alfred
to
come
up
after
that
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we,
with
our
key
accounts,
is
that
we
do
have
quorum
in
the
room
to
make
sure
I
know
one
or
two
had
to
leave
for
some
meetings,
but
we
do
need
to
keep
quorum.
L
In
specific
to
City
of
Toronto,
you
may
you
may
recall
that
in
last
couple
of
years
we
were
in
front
of
you
talking
about
compressed
natural
gas
vehicles
and
how
compressed
natural
oils
were
going
to
have
an
impact
on
your
climate
targets.
Specifically,
this
particular
project
with
three
installations
and
150
trucks
enabled
the
city
to
reduce
GHG
emissions
by
as
much
as
20%
from
those
vehicles.
L
But,
more
importantly,
it
really
put
you
in
a
position
to
prepare
for
the
bigger
vision
by
the
solid
waste
management
services
group,
which
is
essentially
to
produce
a
working
model
of
a
circular
economy.
And,
what's
in
front
of
you
here,
is
the
first
project
of
its
kind
for
Toronto.
But
I
would
suggest
for
probably
most
of
the
North
American
municipalities,
where
at
this
particular
facility,
which
is
the
Dufferin
station,
you'll,
be
in
a
position
to
take
that
biogas.
L
This
is
why
this
story
is
so
exciting
and
why
it's
been
so
well
received
by
both
media
and
the
regulator's.
Toronto
has
the
potential
to
produce
a
significant
amount
of
renewable
natural
gas.
Sixty
three
point:
eight
million
cubic
meters,
in
fact,
and
as
it
was
included
in
the
submission
in
the
budget,
submission
that
represents
I,
don't
want
to
get
this
number
wrong.
Ninety
five
thousand
tons
of
co2
averted
per
year
or
roughly
equivalent
to
nineteen
thousand
vehicles.
L
What
you
see
here
is
just
a
brief
graphic
representation
of
how
the
utility
are
resilient.
Underground
distribution
system
can
move
that
gas
either
to
your
buildings,
to
your
vehicles
or
anywhere
else
within
North
America
opening
a
door
for
the
city
to
also
find
a
way
to
monetize
this
molecule.
Should
you
choose
to.
L
C
Thank
you
very
much.
This
is
possibly
one
of
the
most
exciting,
exciting
things
that
Chiron
is
doing
in
its
its
fight
against
climate
change
and
I
wanted
to
I
wanted
to
know,
and
if
you
had
a
position
on
how
we
could
accelerate
the
the
RNG
advancement
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
it
does
it.
It
has
been
a
slow,
a
slow
go
and
is
there
any
way
of
us
moving
faster
on
this
file
and
if
so,
what
direction
could
we
give
to
that
end?
You.
L
L
So
when
you
talk
about
accelerating
this
there's,
nothing
left
that's
required
for
us
to
do
except
move
forward
with
the
projects
presented
by
the
solid
waste
management
team
and
what
I
mean
by
that
we're
currently
completing
construction
at
the
first
facility,
the
Dufferin
facility,
the
team,
the
technology,
the
designs
are
all
ready
to
translate
to
disco
the
next
facility.
We
can
move
forward
with
that
as
early
as
twenty
twenty
twenty
next
next
next
year
and
the
same
technology
and
strategies
in
capturing
on
biogas
can
be
applied
to
your
landfills
or
the
potential
third
ad.
L
M
Okay,
good
morning,
counselors
and
staff,
my
name
is
Emily
Alfred
and
I'm
the
waste
campaigner
at
the
Toronto
environmental
alliance
or
team.
He
has
60,000
supporters
across
Toronto
who
want
to
build
a
greener
city
for
all
T,
closely
monitors
environmental
decision-making
at
City
Hall,
and
we
participate
in
the
budget
process
every
year.
Solid
waste
is
an
important
environmental
service
at
the
city,
achieving
our
waste
reduction
targets
and
creating
a
circular
economy
in
Toronto
that
sees
resources,
conserved
and
cycled
into
new
materials
will
not
only
cut
costs
but
achieve
important
community
goals.
M
Most
importantly,
managing
resources
and
waste
wisely
is
essential
to
addressing
the
climate
crisis.
We
need
to
be
a
resilient
city
with
sustainable
and
wise
use
of
resources.
T
supports
the
waste
rate
increases
and
the
tax
based
rebate
phase
it,
because
we
know
that
solid
wastes
need
this
funding
in
order
to
maintain
comprehensive
waste
programs
and
achieve
its
long-term
waste
strategy.
The
city's
waste
fees
based
on
bin
size
are
a
best
practice
that
have
proven
effective
in
reducing
waste.
This
is
especially
evident
in
multi
residential
buildings
that
make
up
almost
half
of
Toronto
households.
M
The
phase-out
of
this
rebate
is
important.
Currently,
property
tax
dollars
are
subsidizing.
Waste
rates.
Eliminating
this
subsidy
will
show
the
true
cost
of
waste
management
and
will
also
free
up
property
taxes
for
other
crucial
city
services.
We
support
increases
to
reflect
the
true
cost
of
waste
collection.
However,
we
also
recognize
the
importance
of
incentives
and
rates
that
nudge
people
towards
environmental
behavior.
We
support
the
continued
difference
in
costs
for
lower
bins
and
any
efforts
to
keep
this
cost
low,
especially
for
low-income
households.
M
This
includes
investing
resources
in
the
current
consultation
and
planning
on
how
best
to
prevent
and
reduce
the
amount
of
single-use
and
take
away
items
distributed
in
our
city.
These
products
are
often
unrecyclable.
They
cause
contamination
in
the
blue
bin
and
they've
to
frequently
end
up
as
litter.
We
urge
the
city
to
move
quickly
and
ensure
that
there
are
sufficient
resources
to
carry
out
a
comprehensive
strategy
that
includes
by
laws
to
restrict
single-use
plastics
by
laws
to
require
reusable
dishes
for
eating
in
programs
to
support
small
businesses.
M
Waste
fees
in
the
city
budget
should
also
be
used
to
invest
in
important
infrastructure.
For
example,
organics
processing
for
a
number
of
years
Tonto
has
been
collecting
more
organic
wastes
than
it
can
handle
in
its
own
processors.
As
a
result,
the
city
has
been
sending
organics
to
a
handful
of
sleeeeep
private
processors
that
cost
more
pretend
than
the
city
managing
it
here.
We
support
the
acceleration
of
building
a
third
facility
for
digesting
organics.
M
This
is
a
key
capital
project
that
will
meet
Sano's
long-term
waste
strategy
targets,
but
also
work
towards
transform
teo
targets,
as
it
will
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions
from
landfill
and
create
renewable
fuels.
A
third
organics
processing
facility
is
desperately
needed
and
long
overdue.
We
urge
you
to
look
at
any
further
acceleration
of
the
timeline
at
this
stage.
In
summary,
we
support
the
elimination
of
waste.
V
subsidies
and
funding
should
not
be
spent
on
developing
new
landfills,
but
on
programs
to
build
a
circular
economy
and
infrastructure
to
divert
waste.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
Thank
you
very
much,
I,
just
Emily
part
of
your
presentation
around
the
need
to
continue
to
encourage
diversion.
Do
you
know
of
any
work
that
all
the
waste
management
or
anyone
else
has
done
to
try
to
determine
what
type
of
incentive
people
need
to
finally
start
going
through
their
their
bin
to
get
to
increase
their
diversion
of
the
source?
I
know.
M
The
cost
indicator
is
one
of
the
best
ways
to
like
nudge
people
towards
different
behavior,
I,
believe
inspections
of
recycling
bins
and
garbage
bins.
So
you
know
checking
bins
to
make
sure
that
the
wrong
thing
isn't
there
is
a
really
important
part
of
education.
So
we
need
to
make
sure
that
increases
to
waste
fees
are
also
coupled
with
efforts
to
educate
the
public,
ensure
that
people
are
getting
feedback
about
what
they're
putting
in
the
bin.
M
We've
been
doing
a
waste
project
right
now
with
high-rise
buildings
and
we've
seen
in
audits
repeatedly
that
at
least
seventy
to
eighty
percent
of
what
in
the
garbage
bin
actually
could
have
been
recycled.
So
there's
a
lot
of
room
for
improvement
and
we
just
need
to
understand
more
supports
I.
Think.
There's
a
lot
of
possibilities:
the
city
could
look
into
I.
Don't
have
all
the
answers
myself,
though.
Okay.
N
Very
much
for
deputation
Emily.
A
few
months
ago,
myself
and
councillor
Robinson
brought
a
motion
to
council
asking
staff
to
look
at
ways
to
advance
and
encourage
people
to
take
reusable
takeout
containers.
I
was
wondering,
if
you
have
any
advice
on
thoughts
that
we
should
be
considering
through
that
process
in
review.
Mm-Hmm.
M
Yeah
that
that
motion
about
reusable
food,
we're
in
restaurants,
for
people
who
are
dining
in
and
any
support
to
eliminate
disposables,
is
I.
Think
a
really
important
part
of
this
strategy
as
well,
because
those
unrecyclable
containers
and
unrecyclable
waste
is
really
what
adds
to
the
amount
of
garbage
that
people
are
having
to
put
out
every
day
and
that
adds
to
our
lease
fees.
So
I
think
whatever
the
city
can
do
to
accelerate.
M
That
I
think
looking
at
reusable
dishware
for
restaurants
and
reusable
dishes
in
all
city
facilities
and
city
purchasing
is
something
that
can
be
moved
on
quite
quickly,
and
it
should
be
part
of
any
efforts
to
pass
bylaws
to
eliminate
single-use
plastics,
yeah.
I.
Think
all
that's
really
important
work
and
I
think
when,
when
the
public
sees
those
important
strategies
making
a
real
difference,
they
can
support
increases
in
fees
a
lot
easier
thanks.
N
A
Much
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
for
deputation,
okay,
seeing
no
other
interpretations
will
now
go
to
questions
of
staff
and
I
just
want
to
reiterate,
as
I
think
I
do
every
year,
it's
a
bit
of
a
challenge
when
we're
dealing
with
the
rate
based
special,
solid
waste
with
rebates,
which
rebates
are
actually
part
of
the
operating
budget.
We
have
this
challenge
every
year
and
how
do
we
I
mean
at
the
end
of
the
day,
they're
all
combined,
but
at
this
point
in
the
process,
we
really
can't
entertain
questions
on
the
rebates.
C
On
a
point
of
order,
can
the
clerk's,
explain
or
legal
explain
why
we
cannot
talk
about
the
the
rebate
at
this
meeting
I'm?
Actually,
fundamentally,
it
impacts
this
budget.
Unless
we,
unless
we
defer
this
budget
for
consideration
of
the
of
the
tax
supported
budget,
we
should
be
able
to
request
information
about
the
rebates,
the
effectiveness
of
the
rebates.
Could
anyone
explain
to
me
from
from
legal
or
from
from
clerk's
why
it's
not
on.
D
C
How
much
of
so
okay
so
then
have
a
capital
budget
in
front
of
us
as
well
that
talks
about
the
tax
supported
budget
that
talks
about
development
charges
off
in
the
future
that
talks
about
a
lot
of
revenues
that
aren't
in
front
of
us
at
the
moment
that
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
talk
about
so
well.
Why
is
it
in
front
of
us
like
it's
part
of
it's
in
front
of
us,
but
what
we
can't
really
talk
about
it
it
doesn't.
C
D
The
the
notice
requirements
haven't
been
met
for
the
property
tax
budget.
The
agenda
hasn't
been
posted,
hasn't
been
reviewed,
they're
dealt
with
separately,
Crysta
three
different
items.
There's
a
process
I
can
clerks,
can
speak
to
it
as
well.
I
think,
there's
a
process
for
items
to
be
put
on
agendas
for
the
public
to
see
to
review
and
anticipation
of
meetings.
The
only
thing
that's
been
put
on
the
agenda
for
today,
I
believe
is
the
r8
budgets
then,
which
the
property
rebate
is.
O
C
With
the
policy
to
phase
out
in
2019
was
determined
at
that
point,
or
was
that
phase-out
covered
covered
28
multiple
years,
it
was
for
the
multiple
years
counselor,
okay,
I
still
I'm,
still
not
understanding
exactly
why
it.
It
can't
be
raised
in
particular,
if
we
can't
ask
questions
about
or
request
information
about
what
other
incentives
could
be
could
be
applied.
But
thank.
A
C
C
We
use
bin
size
and
the
cost
of
bins
to
help
incentivize
diversion
correct
correct.
Have
we
ever
studied
whether
or
not
that's
worked,
and
what
what
rate
we
need
to
have
with
the
difference
in
the
rates
in
order
to
get
to
deeper
diversion?
What's
it
going
to
take
what
cost
implications
need
to
be
a
play
if
we're
gonna
get
someone
to
sort
their
dirty
clean
acts
out
of
the
bin
in
their
washroom
and
put
it
in
they're
in
their
green
bed?
O
Through
you,
mr.
chair
to
the
counselor,
we
do
waste
audits
throughout
the
city
to
to
see
the
the
impact
on
the
amount
of
diversion
that
we
were,
that
we
see
based
on
our
bin
sizes,
for
our
garbage
I,
don't
believe,
we've
done
a
comprehensive.
What
cost
would
it
take
to
incentivize
diversion
to
a
point
where,
like,
as
you
say,
people
will
take
certain
items
out
and
move
it
over
to
different
bins?
It's
definitely
something
that
we
could
look
at
in
the
future.
C
O
C
The
cost
of
actually
collecting
the
bin
is
close,
maybe
a
little
bit
more
for
larger
ones,
but
not
much.
It's
the
disposal
where
the
real
different,
lock
and
difference
lies
right
generally,
that's
correct
if
we
were
to
does
our
user
fee
policy,
allow
us
to
charge
more
for
extra
large
bins
and
less
for
small
bins,
even
if
the
cost,
if
that
means
changes
to
the
way
that
we
calculate
it
through.
O
C
O
C
O
Through
you,
mr.
chair
counselor,
we
would
we
would
leave
education
information
behind
whenever
there
was
an
instance
where
they
exceeded
the
thresholds
of
approximately
25%
contamination
and
I
can
give
you
the
the
map
and
a
breakdown
of
where
those
areas
have
been
and
and
where
we
see
the
the
highest
level
of
contamination
in
our
in
our
bins.
We
have
that
information
and
we
also
have
the
number
of
repeat
offenders.
So
when
we
go
back
generally,
the
vast
majority
of
residents
do
the
right
thing
about
our
next
inspection.
C
C
C
We
have
a
great
success
for
story
with
renewable
natural
gas
at
that
solid
waste.
I
think
that
we
had
every
at
every
occasion
should
try
to
highlight
that
I'm,
not
only
because
it
makes
us
look.
Look
good,
but
also
that
it'll
current
encourage
other
jurisdictions
to
take
similar
action.
The
fact
that
we're
powering
or
will
be
powering
some-some
waste
collection
vehicles
with
enter
with
the
energy
collected
from
the
decomposition
of
of
organic
material
is
just
it's.
C
That's
been
clear
with
my
voting
record
that
that
wasn't
shared
by
everyone
on
council
in
the
last
term
of
council
when
a
motion
was
brought
forward
to
say,
freeze
the
rates
I
said
no
continue
down
this
path,
as
did
the,
but
all
the
budget
committee
members
at
the
time
and
but
not
the
majority
of
councillors.
I
will
add.
C
However,
I
think
there
is
merit
in
us
asking
the
question:
what's
it
gonna
take
to
get
people
to
pull
the
snotty
tissue
out
of
the
receptacle
in
their
bathroom
and
put
it
in
their
green
bin,
because
when
I
did
my
own
way
started
at
home,
that
that
is
what
and
almost
that
alone
is
what
was
pushing
the
boundary
from
a
small,
been
to
a
medium
bid.
I'm
astonished
that
some
of
my
neighbors
that
have
less
people
in
their
household
have
large
beds.
Absolutely
astonished.
C
C
We
need
to
figure
out
what
that
incentive
looks
like
we
get.
We
also
like.
We
can't
stop
our
push
to
the
province
to
get
extended
producer
responsibility.
That
goes
without
saying,
but
we
need
to
figure
out
how
atlas
how
we
can
get
greater
source
separation
and
I
believe
that
there's
something
to
do
with
an
incentive
whether
or
not
it's
linked
to
attack,
supported,
subsidy
or
not
I.
C
Think
it's
there's
merit
in
at
least
asking
if
we've
done
this
work
and
maybe
directing
staff
to
as
part
of
this
coming
year,
do
some
analysis
on
what
a
rate
structure
would
be
that
maximizes
diversion
not
just
focus,
focuses
narrowly
on
the
the
pure
cost
of
collection.
But
what
gets
us
to
diversion?
Because
I
don't
believe,
we've
done
that
work
before
stop
for
implementing
a
policy
direction.
It's
it's
not
their
fault.
C
It's
also
it
it's
not
as
as
simple
as
the
cost
per
litre
and
I
had
to
do
like
I've,
never
done
a
long
threat
on
Twitter
before
to
try
to
get
a
policy
point
clear,
I
had
to
on
Friday,
because
there's
a
lot
of
misconceptions
with
how
this
small
base
the
small
fee
is
moving
in
this
in
this
budget.
So
it's
important
for
us
to
paper
over
this
this
decision
and
make
sure
that
we've
considered
it
from
various
angles.
C
So
on
one
whether
the
current
rebate
has
worked,
I
think
we
we
should
try
to
figure
out.
If
it's
been
a
good
incentive
to
divert
waste
I
think
it
will
find
that
it
has
so,
let's
figure
out
a
way
to
make
a
cost
of
factor
2
what
other
options
exist,
for
incentives
to
increase
diversion
I.
Think
that's
a
pretty
easy
ask:
is
there
another
way,
rather
than
the
subsidy
for
us
to
do
to
do
an
incentive
and
three
the
feasibility
of
maintaining
the
rebate
for
small
bins
by
offsetting
costs
from
other
fees?
I?
C
Actually,
don't
believe
that
we
can
do
that
based
on
a
user
fee,
but
I
want
staff
to
write
that
out.
I
can't
I
can't
get
it
just
from
an
answer,
because
I
need
to
be
able
to
point
to
it
when
people
say
why
didn't
you
just
increase
the
cards
at
the
cost
of
large
bins,
because
we
couldn't
I
thought
that
is
simply
what
I'm
asking
here:
there's
nothing
nefarious
about
this:
to
try
to
open
up
the
back
door
to
continue
this
subsidy.
C
A
You
councillor
Leighton
I
will
just
speak
quickly.
Councillor
Bradford
I,
just
I
will
speak.
Just
I
will
be
ruling
two
parts
of
councillor
Layton's
motion
out
of
order,
which
is
number
one
and
number
two,
because
they
do
talk
about
the
rebates
and
and
I
will
do
want
it
number
two
I,
just
reworded
it
to
take
out
the
word
other.
So
it
would
say
what
options
exist
for
incentives
to
increase
diversion,
because,
again
again,
as
legal
had
said,
degree
bates
is
not
before
us.
We
have
not
given
proper
public
notice
on
that.
A
So
to
have
that
conversation
or
unfortunately,
have
any
information
on
that
subject
come
before
us
is
out
of
order
not
and
it'll
be
entertained
as
part
of
the
operating
budget
I'm
not
suggesting
it
won't
be.
But
it's
just
part
of
this
budget.
Unfortunately
I'm
constrained
to
have
to
rule
those
two
out
of
order,
but
I
do
want
to
have
the
number
two
so
I
just
wanted
it.
That's
if
you
let
go.
Go
to
council
Bradford
after
that
to
speak,
but
that's
that's
it.
That
is
my
ruling
and.
C
A
So
I
don't
know
procedurally
I
think
I
need
to
deal
with
the
what
is
out
of
order,
because
if
it's
out
of
order,
you
can't
ask
questions
on
that.
So
let
me,
which
is
number
one
in
number
three
you'd,
be
a
last
questions
on
number
number:
two
again
I'm
just
charged
it's
sort
of
technical.
So,
let's
deal
with
the
challenge
to
the
chair.
First
on
my
ruling
of
number
one
in
three
of
his
motion,
so.
A
M
A
N
I'll
Tula
Bradford
sure,
thanks
through
the
chair,
I'll,
just
kind
of
speak
briefly.
I
like
and
appreciate
the
conversation
and
some
of
the
questions
that
councillor
Layton
is
bringing
forward
here.
I
guess:
when
these
questions
come,
then
we
don't
have
a
chance
to
ask
staff
I
would
have
asked
you
and,
and
it
sort
of
sounded
like
legal
was
suggesting
and
solid
waste
at
the
rate
is
bait.
It's
a
rate
based
cost
recovery,
sort
of
arrangement
that
we
have
for
this.
N
So
it's
interesting
to
think
about
trying
to
incentivize
small
bins
by
increasing
rates
on
larger
bins
to
act
as
a
subsidy
for
that
I.
Don't
know
legally
how
that
works
in
the
cost
recovery
world.
From
the
city's
perspective,
I
will
say
that
and
I've
been
clear
on
this
I
don't
agree
with
subsidizing.
N
N
N
I
am
also
unclear
on
how
we
can
add
incentives
from
a
financial
perspective
to
make
larger
bins
more
expensive
to
again
cover
the
cost
for
smaller
bins
but
I.
You
know
just
fundamentally
kind
of
opposed
to
that
so
interesting
discussion
here.
We
will
continue
through
the
budget
process
and
thanks
to
the
staff
for
all
their
work
on
this.
A
A
Sometimes
these
budgets
seem
to
be
pushed
through
fairly
quickly,
but
understanding
there's
an
incredible
amount
of
work
that
happens
prior
to
coming
to
us
and
as
we
go
through
the
process,
these
are
huge
budgets,
an
impact
I
think
every
Torontonian
and
just
want
to
thank
them
for
the
work
that
they've
been
doing,
because
it's
incredibly
important
with
regard
to
the
overall
budget
when
you're
looking
at
the
context
of
the
size
of
it.
So
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
doing
all
that
work.
A
So
we
have
counselor
we'll
begin
with
councillor
Layton's
in
motion
number.
Whatever
number
it
is,
which
is
to
add
the
word
produce
all
in
favor
opposed
that's
carried,
and
then
this
is
my
motion
that
has
changed:
counselor,
Layton's,
initial
emotion
and
just
a
made
it
just
the
wording
thing
to
what
options
exist,
for
incentives
to
increase
diversion
and
that'll
be
coming
I
believe
through
I,
think
through
executive
or
potentially
full
council.
A
A
It's
pretty
much
I
think
what
my
motion
was:
what?
Okay?
Oh,
yes,
okay,
sorry,
but
that
we
got
a
vote
for
that.
All
in
favor
opposed
that's
carried
item
as
amended
all
in
favor
opposed.
That's
carried!
Okay!
Next
we're
going
to
be
you
11.3,
the
2020
rate
supported
budget
for
toronto.
Parking
authority
we
do
have
one
speaker
is
Kevin.
Currie
is
Kevin
here.
A
P
Budget
regarding
specifically
the
bike
share
portion,
it's
important
too,
that
this
committee
address
this
year's
current
projected
2019
bike
share
deficit
of
2.5
million
potential
plus
dollars
against
the
deficit
of
what
was
budgeted
of
twenty
five
thousand
dollars,
there's
no
longer
appropriate
for
the
TPA
to
present
a
budget
and
then
claim
losses
at
the
end
of
the
year.
Historically,
the
TPA
has
not
been
accountable
for
these
losses.
Funds
have
been
transferred
from
valuable
city
reserves.
P
P
Also,
as
part
of
the
2020
budget
bike
share,
shows
a
balanced
budget
but
to
a
balanced
budget.
Although
there's
a
two
point,
six
million
dollar
increase
over
the
actual
2019.
Historically,
the
TPA
has
never
been
accountable
for
the
pur
budgeting
process
and
have
always
recorded
losses.
2017
was
2.8
million
2018
2.6
million
2019
2.5
million.
How
that's
do
they
come
to
a
balanced
budget
for
this
year?
P
P
Just
to
comment
on
some
of
the
information,
it's
kind
of
like
trying
to
chase
a
snake
in
the
grass
all
the
different
styles
and
reports
that
seem
to
be
coming
to
council
much
of
the
information
graphs
and
such
sensationalized,
the
number
of
trips,
and
yet
they
have
no
recognition
as
far
as
direct
revenue
sources,
membership
seems
to
have
this
dis
astragal.
You
know
this
this
astronomical
line
that
keeps
going
up
and
up
and
up
we're
in
reality.
P
From
what
I
understand,
eighty
percent
of
the
trips
are
attributed
to
annual
members,
and
the
last
number
I
could
track
was
about
thirteen
thousand
annual
members.
The
city
recently
has
invested
over
the
last
two
years.
Approximately
twelve
million
dollars
in
expanding
the
network
bike
share
is
continually
represented
that
they
needed
to
expand
to
be
successful.
Just
where
are
the
annual
memberships
now
have
you
actually
achieves
those
goals?
What
is
the
benchmark?
P
P
P
In
short,
it
has
had
an
effect
on
my
business
I
reflect
on
councillor
Layton's
comments
during
the
2019
budget,
where
seemed
to
indicate
that
it
was
perfectly
fine
for
a
multi-million
dollar
investment
from
the
city
that
could
potentially
harm
or
damage
or
potentially
put
me
out
of
business.
This
is
serious.
This
is
a
very
expensive
project
that
has
had
very
little
scrutinize
ation
from
the
city
itself.
Thank
you.
Thank.
N
A
N
Are
just
so
much
fun
thanks
very
much
through
the
chair,
so
I'm
not
going
to
go
down
the
bike
share
questions
cuz
I've
had
an
opportunity
to
ask
a
lot
of
those
already,
but
I
did
want
to
pick
up
on
sub-item
a
in
the
report.
I'm
interested
in
the
market
analysis
that
shows
that
demand
is
relatively
inelastic.
N
The
price
changes
in
our
Lots
in
our
parking
lots,
so
we're
talking
about
parking
pricing
and
I
just
wanted
to
know
a
little
bit
more
about
how
you
tested
there
was
those
lots
and
and
understanding
the
four
scenarios,
but
really
were
these
temporary
tests
were
their
longer-term
priced
price
changes.
How
do
we?
How
do
we
land
on
those
numbers?
Oh
the.
Q
The
actual
analysis-
that's
in
the
report,
was
based
on
a
year-over-year
analysis,
but
on
an
annual
basis
we
do
to
a
comprehensive
rate
review
of
all
of
our
facilities
track
usage.
So
pricing
is
only
one
of
the
factors
that
affects
parking
demand,
it's
very
localized
and
a
lot
of
cases.
There
really
aren't
other
competitive
options
and
one
other
thing
that
drives
our
parking
demand
is
because
we
have
a.
N
Q
Q
N
Q
N
Which
is
great,
but
we're
also
seeing
here
that
perhaps
pricing
is
not
the
most
important
factor
like
we
can
support
businesses
by
having
a
location
adjacent
to
based
businesses
and
in
areas
where
there's
high
demand
and
need
for
parking,
but
whether
that
price
is
above,
or
rather
at
market
rates
or
below
market
rates.
We
can
still
support
businesses
by
actually
providing
parking
options.
Yes,.
Q
N
C
C
Is
a
split
so
those
the
the
seller,
the
air,
a
sale
of
air
rights,
that's
listed
in
the
capital
budget?
Isn't
the
total
number?
It's
simply
the
contribution,
simply
the
contribution.
That's
going
to
the
TPA
cuz
I
didn't
see.
A
second
number
all
I
saw
was
I'm.
Gonna
have
trouble
finding
it.
I
can
continue
the
conversation
at
at
counsel,
but
there
there
is
money
coming
to
the
city
from
the
sale
of
those
80.
It's
85%
no
character.
The
number
was
a
little
low
in
some
of
them.
D
On
the
on
the
arrangement
in
the
development,
for
example,
838
Broadview
we've
brought
a
report
to
our
bringing
a
report
to
the
board
the
afternoon.
The
proceeds
will
be
directed
to
the
city
to
help
fund,
affordable
housing.
To
the
extent
that
TPA
requires
reinvestment
funds
in
the
new
first
level
of
garage
operations,
we
will
be.
We
only
retain
to
that
extent.
A
In
going
on
seeing
none,
we
have
a
little
I,
do
have
a
technical
amendment
that
I
have
to
move.
It's
at
the
council
direct
Chiefs
financial
officer
and
treasurer
in
consultation
with
the
president
of
the
parking
authority
to
report
the
budget
committee
on
an
updated
income
sharing
renewal
agreement
no
later
than
December
31st
2020,
and
that
then
I'll
just
see
you
can
just
read
it
there
again,
it's
a
technical
amendment
from
staff
and
you
keep
confidential
in
its
entirety
as
it
pertains
to
the
personal
matters
about
identical
individuals,
including
municipal
or
local
board
employees.
A
So
all
in
favor
the
amendment
opposed
that's
carried
item
as
amended
I
guess
all
in
favor
opposed
that's
carried,
and
that
is
our
agenda.
We
have
completed
the
grade
based
budgets,
as
I
said:
they'll
be
going
off
to
executive,
I
believe
on
December
11th
and
in
full
council
a
couple
days
or
week
after
that.
Thank
you.
Ron.