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City Council, meeting 38, March 27, 2018 - Part 3 of 3
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Okay, members of council call this meeting to order.

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We will now, we will now do quick releases.

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Councillor carol, madam speaker, I cannot recall the page, but the motion.

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That I held regarding house, I'm sure someone who has an interest in it will.

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Shout it out, but the motion. Yes, yes, I have been gently pressured to release mm.

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38.7, which is helping seniors parents and people with disabilities access city.

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Services, amendment to council constituent I'm happy to transfer the.

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Whole to councillor robinson now she will be gently pressured.

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Councillor christie. Thank you speaker on page six item cc.

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38.82 54 to 260 or nope. Sorry, that's the wrong one page. Six item cc 38 point.

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12400 front street request for directions. The staff report has now been.

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Distributed and I'm happy to release it. Okay, this is on page six cc. 38 12400.

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Front street counts to cressy is releasing on favor kari, and I have a.

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Second, on page 5, on page 5, item te, thirty point: five: zero kang street.

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Outdoor cafes and public installations, there's a technical amendment from legal.

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Inserting their delegated authority and I'm happy with that technical amendment.

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To move it and release it, okay, this is.

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On page five t 3050 king street transit, transit pilot, okay,.

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Okay, so I'll continue to hold it and I'd ask for that to be advanced circulated.

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As I understand counselor hall that I would like to see, it even counts. It.

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Perks, thank you speaker on the top of page six cc 38, I'm sorry. I.

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Didn't hear you count the perks on the top of page six cc 38.4 the annual.

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Report of the office of the lobbyist register for the year 2017. Yes,.

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On page six cc, 38.4 counselor, rep perks is releasing recorded vote.

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Celtic roots, oh please, cancer, wong-tam, counselor, pasternak,.

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And counts mcmahon when you're seated.

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The item is adopted unanimously, 35 in favor counter fraga dacus. Yes, madam.

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Speaker on page 7 mm 38.5, 7th annual children's community triathlon, I've had.

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My questions answered from staff, I'm prepared to release it and have a.

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Recorded vote page 7 mm 38.5 counts to forget bacchus.

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Is releasing a recorded vote.

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Cows are fletcher kelso fillion, please.

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Kelsey prusa couser digiorgio counter mcmahon, counselor perks, counselor davis,.

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Councillor davis, your vote, please.

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The item is adopted, the vote is 30721.

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Counselor troi see thank you, madam speaker. I have two releases. First, one.

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Item cc, 38.8 directions: report 2254, 266, king street, it's in the supplementary.

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Okay, hold on hold on counselor troi c: do you have a moat up.

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Java yeah it's up on the screen. It's on the screen. Oh okay,.

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I'm page six cc 38.8 it's on the screen, I'm favor. So I know I want to move the.

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Supplementary staff report regarding the designated heritage properties yeah. It's.

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A confidential it's on this screen on favor carried item as amended on favor.

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Carried lease mm38, why we hate re1? What page? There is no page.

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I'm page list today it seems oh, the ones that managing utility work in downtown.

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Neighborhoods, yes, okay as it is, as it better clarifies the policy which was.

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Not included, which was not intended to cause overnight noise in our downtown.

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Neighborhoods so you're releasing I'm releasing on favor carried recorded vote.

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Casterman epic counselor chris auntie, please counter peru to please.

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Counselor mount lowen, counselor davis, please.

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Can secure gianna's.

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Counter mount low your vote, please thank you.

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Motion carries the vote is 38 to 1.

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Deputy mayor minam wong, thank you, madam chair.

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Mm 38.2 the toronto change in friendship city's motion. I have an amendment that I.

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Think people are okay with I'm sure I can hear you 38.2 the chair, recomment.

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Supports it ii or supports it on what I'm sorry on what page? There's? No it's a.

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Members motion mm: oh mm, 38.2; okay, yes, there's a an amendment. That's on the.

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Screen, okay, all it does is say, look at all the cities in the region before we.

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Decide which agreements we enter into that's all set up set up prior eyes.

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Which cities we want to have relationships? Okay, on the on the.

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Amendment on favor carried item who'll ask for a recorded vote. Oh recorded vote.

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On the amendment.

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Concerts accounts or wong-tam.

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That's a croissant. I please celts, approves to your vote. Please thank you.

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The amendment carries the vote is 36 to 3 item as amended on favor carried.

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Deputy mayor and men want you still, you have another one sure.

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Let's try members motion. Thirty eight point: one seven request for a report on.

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The strategy to repurpose city computers and it equipment.

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I actually thought there had been a other report written about this to the.

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Extent that this is not that we can't give away computers it's because it's.

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Not the computers in the issue. If the licenses there should have cost money to.

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Run the computers but council irma havoc, wants to see a report and if the staff.

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Council, deputy city manager live ii would love to write one as as he spoke.

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About earlier on in this council meeting, so are you releasing it? Okay, on page.

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Nine mm38 point 17 on favor, I'm favor carried.

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Now, sir davis, now sir davis, yes, oh, I.

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Want the fees waived, I'd like to introduce a motion, I don't have it. I.

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Think it's there. No, we don't have it yet: counselor davis, okay, counselor fletcher.

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What here's, what he missed there pardon me a name and yes, I'm sorry. I was just.

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Gonna move a motion for the scarborough waterfront trail speaker to waive the.

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Fees for that trail, but instead I will go to toronto and east. Your township.

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Fletcher, yes, what I do missus, I'm just coming to that sorry! It's this trail its.

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Scarborough, no, it's page, nine! It's thirty! Thirty point: seven, four: five, four.

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Commissioner street, oh thank you. I was on the wrong color.

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My apologies speaker: I'm now settled down ready to work page five attorneys.

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To our community council te 30.7 five, four five commissioners street city.

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Initiating zoning bylaw, the staff have a couple of amendments, and with that I am.

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Moving that okay, the amendments are on the screen on favor carry item as.

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Amended on favor carried, but I'm waiting for 13 and 19 for the confidential to.

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Get circulation, that's it you're waiting for the report. I'm waiting for the.

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Confidential motions to be circulated and the reports for that. Okay, we're just.

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Copying it. Thank you all right, councilor grimes. I thought he was here a.

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Minute ago I was gonna, have him release.

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This no okay so count counselor grimes. You two motions: members motions that you.

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Introduced mm 38:32, 2183, lakeshore and then mm38 3374 royal york road. Would you.

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Like to move so 32 is counter d chiana's. Yes,.

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Apparently, I'm gonna hold it down. Okay, I won't do any more okay, counselor dt.

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No mm 3832 your motion for lakeshore. Would you like to release it? Yes, I'd.

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Like to vote on it, please, okay, it was just circulated. I'm favored carry.

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Counselor grimes mm38 3374 roy york, where did it go.

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Okay, if you don't want to release that counselor grimes, I'm just trying to move.

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The agenda along yes, I could move that, madam speaker, I'm favor carry okay.

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Okay, did we want to go to this back to the speakers? On the other item.

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She's she's, not at her desk councillor.

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Fletcher councillor fletcher. No, I.

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Let's go back to the other item: councillor holiday, you're, up to speak.

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Thank you, madam speaker, to refresh members memories. We were.

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Talking about the townhouse and low-rise multi-unit housing- and I I wanted to.

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Rise in support of the committee's recommendation, and I want to explain my.

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Rationale, I hope that it will inspire members of council members, one of the.

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Things that's important about this document is that it is council policy.

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And I think we should be very comfortable about putting our names behind that, and the vote on these two sentences is very symbolic. If anything, I.

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Want to look at the first sentence that has been added in councillor shiners.

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Motion and was originally part of the report that was removed by the committee.

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And it reads in totality as such, it is important to ensure that new.

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Developments will enhance and fit within the local area, context, comma and then.

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The the part in question was, while balancing the need to accommodate.

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Housing in the growing city- I don't know about you, but I've been through enough.

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Developments to be very, very clear about what the public's expectation is of me.

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And that is to look at the interests of the neighbourhood around it and the way.

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That I read that sentence is is bouncing the local needs so that the local needs.

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For traffic systems that work against growing, the city may be balancing the.

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Local need for not over stressing the sewer shed with a new development.

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Against the need to grow, so what I'm saying is, I think it is very important.

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About how you vote on this particular sentence in the eyes of your community.

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About who it is that you're, serving as it goes through the council process, I.

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Also want to look at the second sentence. It talks about, in some cases, not all.

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Guidelines can be met in full. However, a development may be acceptable when it.

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Respects the official plan- I'm not really sure. I understand why we would.

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Want to add that we just went through an exercise of creating a number of.

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Guidelines, I know in my mind the expectation at the at the outset of this.

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Process is for any development to meet all of the.

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Guidelines not some, I don't know why we would say at the start of the process.

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That you know here's the set of guidelines, but just kidding just come.

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Back and meet some of them, my expectation is quite clear and I'd like.

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To be on record with, that is that, when things are created and people bring.

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Applications to us they are looking at the guidelines in totality and they're.

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Looking to meet all of them, so in summary, just to reiterate it may.

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Not be part of the official plan, but it is councils policy and it is councils.

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Document, it's not the staffs document, it's not the industry's document. It is.

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The document of this council and I think we should be very, very firm and clear.

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With what we believe on this, and I think that the vote on these two sentences are.

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Very important and very defining about how we approach development in our.

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Communities, thank you.

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Do counter holiday councillor matt lowe hi. Madam speaker, I have a motion an.

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Amendment that city council requests the chief planner, an executive director or.

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City planning to report to the planning and growth management committee in the.

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Second quarter of 2018 on, in some cases, exempting low-rise apartment buildings.

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From parking requirements and other potential incentives to promote purpose.

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Boat, rentals in neighborhoods designated areas serving with I support the.

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Committee's recommendations, I'm also mindful, though, that, and this is aside.

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From town houses, but when there are low-rise the sort of multiplex low-rise.

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Buildings built, it is often far more feasible and realistic for developers to.

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Build condos, they often feel like it's. A better bet and parking is often a great.

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Impediment in a financial impediment to be able to build purpose-built rental in.

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These low-rise buildings- I have a concern, I must say about even pursuing.

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This objective, which is- and this is one of those kind of rare moments where I'm.

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Asking a report not to lead to the destination but to actually gain.

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Information is my concern. I would never want a scenario where, let's say, there's.

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A purpose-built rental belt with no parking provisions and then people start.

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Parking in the neighborhood and then there's a competition for already a.

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Dearth of permanent parking spots on a street adjacent to the building, but I.

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Want to explore whether or not in some cases where that isn't a concern, whether.

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Excluding the the the need for them to include parking where there is, let's say.

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A direct access to transit, where there there wouldn't be a real need for that.

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Kind of parking to allow for that to be a tool in our toolbox to incent more.

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Purpose-Built rental in the neighborhoods throughout our city, I.

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Would add that there might be other ideas? I spoke.

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With planning staff- maybe we should look at dc's, maybe we should look at other.

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Ways to incent more purpose-built rental. What we do know for sure- and I said this.

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Yesterday on another item with regard to rental housing, we are at within the last.

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15 16 years we are at a we're at a boiling point when it comes to.

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Affordability in our city for renters over the past 15 16 years, we have seen.

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Now a all-time vacancy rate low and an all-time high over the past 15 16 years.

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When it comes to the the price of renting, this city is unaffordable. For so.

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Many people, so I want to look at how do we? How do we better incent developers to.

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Build more purposeful rental to expand the the capacity that we have. The.

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Availability of units throughout our city, so I hope that that you support.

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This amendment, and again I'm really- I genuinely am not trying to lead this one.

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Way or another, because I don't really know what the best advice will be. But I.

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Think it's worth exploring and I hope that you support the report request.

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Thank you that counts counts to fraga takest. You have a question on councillor, matt lowe's motion. I do I do if I go on the screen. I just have a question about.

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What about his intention here intention councillor matt lowe! So if, if I read.

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Yours correctly, so do you think that the reason that we're not having too many.

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People build purpose-built. Rentals is because of the parking requirements and.

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You're trying your motion is trying to fix that. What I understand from some.

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People in the development industry is that it can cost several thousands of.

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Dollars sometimes twenty thirty thousand dollars or more to build a parking spot.

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And sometimes it is absolutely necessary that we say you know what you've got to.

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Provide parking, that's the way it's going to be, but there may be cases and.

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That's why I deliberately said in some cases where the context would fit where.

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We could waive that to better incent them to invest in purposeful.

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I don't know if that's the answer and I've heard from staff that there may be.

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Some other ideas that they've got that could be more, maybe even better or maybe.

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Coincide with this idea is to financially incent purposeful, rentals, so.

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What I'm asking for simply is: could staff come back and look at that idea.

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Look at some other ideas come back to us and say here's the toolbox that we could.

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Consider and then we can either accept them or not okay, so this is really just.

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A report request 100%, okay, yeah count, 30 chano.

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Clarification of the motion yeah. No, I think I'm okay with this now I love I'll.

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Support motion. Thank you thanks. Okay, um are there any further speakers on this.

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No okay, I'm mara torre. I thought you wanted to.

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Speak, oh you don't! Okay, all right! So we have.

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The motions then look at motion number one by counter shiner.

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A recorded vote.

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Counselor prude, so please counselor davis,.

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How's her fletcher when you're seated, please.

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The amendment carries, the vote is 25 to 14 chintu by councillor perks,.

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Years yeah, do we want a recorded vote.

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Councillor thompson please councillor prusa, howser, fletcher and counselor may.

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Have achlys the amendment carries? The vote is 23 to 16 motion three by.

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Councillor matt low the recorded vote.

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Councillor wong town, councillor, prusa, bouncer, croissant e and calcium, a havoc.

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Please pastor chris auntie, please.

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Caocao croissant, may we have your vote please. The amendment carries. The vote is.

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Thirty: three to six okay item, as amended on favor accorded fall; no there's no.

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Item as amended, all right so would have at depth.

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Deputy merriman and wonk the confidential report ready for thirty.

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Eight point three: five: it hasn't been circulated yet. Okay, thank.

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You, okay counter digiorgio! Well, your item be quick census, but since has been.

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Here for two years: okay, we're at we're on page three ey 23.

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Sorry I have one motion that is okay hold on hold on where I need white.

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Lotion hold on ey twenty three: seventy three evite 25 40 and then we're on page.

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5, which is ey 28.3 right genie with all three items at the same time, right and.

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My motion is to defer that item for an additional month, I'm holding a community.

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Meeting and you'll see that there I have a motion without notice that I need to.

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Be approved so that I can go and hold my community meeting and make sure.

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Everybody understands what's been going on now, I'm talking about the community.

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And you're welcome to attend by the way. I look so let me address this councillor.

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Digiorgio, you are deferring these three items. That's right, all three of them.

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That's right: well, I cannot. I cannot make a motion to.

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Approve because my community will approve will be my community will.

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Probably be appealing to the ontario municipal board, okay, I can't approve.

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Because the people in my community that are going to be appealing are outside the country right now. Well, no, the only people that have a right to appeal are.

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The people that make deputation to community councils- you might know that.

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If you have not made reputations are made written submissions, you don't have.

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An opportunity to appeal that's one of the reasons why we got into this mess in.

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The first place, my motion is very simple apart. I asked.

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That a motion, a motion without notice, be introduced and I still have not seen.

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That being introduced or circulated, okay count I countered to giorgio you you.

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Want to defer item ey 28 point, madam speaker: I'm asking you to change the.

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Order. Okay, but please let me finish if we move your motion to defer, were you.

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On page three ey 23, 73 and ey 25.40 removed that from the agenda receive it.

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No because there's inaccuracies in the report, if I receive it, it means now.

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You're not willing to receive those two, I know absolutely not.

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I'm deferring it so that I can make motions to those effects when I come back next month, but you're only deferring ey 28.3 deferring all three.

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Because there are inaccuracies in the reports that I've requested, but that's.

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Not what your motion says, I'm deferring so that I can make a motion to address.

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The inaccuracies- you know what, madam speaker, why don't we.

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Stand this down until I speak to legal, I thought we had arranged that my motion.

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Was in order through the legal department- and so was my deferral.

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Motions wow: okay, that's not the case! Then I will go into. I will ask for on a.

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Special privilege stand in a down speaker, standing it down.

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Okay, okay, okay, this is you know, counselor digiorgio. It's amazing how you.

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Confuse us, so it's my understanding that you have emotion that you want to.

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Introduce that you haven't introduced yet so, let's introduce them of stuff.

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Since newer case stop yelling, okay, here's your motion that you want to.

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Introduce that's introduced lever. She has to clear it: okay, yeah, okay, counselor.

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Digiorgio you want to introduce this motion, so, let's introduce it will.

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Circulate the motion- and they will deal with your motions, okay, is- is that okay.

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Yes, all right on favor carried okay well,.

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Hold everything down until that motion is circulated. Okay, counselor, fillion.

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Counsel, fillion page 3p, 25.1 parks, an environment treat protection through the.

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Committee of adjustment, are you willing to deal with that one now? Just yet, I.

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Have to do something else. First. Well, we'll add the item. Now I have a.

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Motion, I have to give the staff sorry it's a different motion that I gave than.

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What I gave them so now, sir fletcher page five.

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T30 point 13 462, we are an avenue. It's been circulated. I'd moved both of those.

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Number 7 and number 13 speaker, okay, so councillor fletcher, is releasing.

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T 30.7 and t 30 point 13 will vote on it separately on 30.7 recorded vote. No, we.

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Didn't we know 13 and 19? I'm sorry, I'm sorry, paula, jeez, 13 and 19. So on thirty.

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Thirteen recorded vote yes on the amendment recorded vote.

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Councillor perks, please counselor prude.

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So how's erma havoc and cows are fillion. Please cancer, davison councillor matt.

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The amendment carries unanimously 40 in favor item as amended on favor.

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Carried on t, 30 point 19 alterations to a heritage property. It's.

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The amendment is on the screen on favor carried item as amended on favor carrie.

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Okay. Our next item is t 30 point 50 king street transit pilots. So who held that.

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Item down, I know, counts to crest. He wanted a release and somebody else held.

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It who held it counter christie, yet no. I did advance circulation councillor.

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Holiday is satisfied, he had a question. It was a technical amendment from legal.

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And I'm happy to move the technical amendment and release it. Thank you. Yes,.

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If we have questions, you have questions okay, councillor, robinson questions, so my.

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I see that councillor krusty's, circulated or pre circulated a.

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Recommendation to be deleted and then instead adopt adopting a couple of new.

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Three new recommendations: what are the implications of this? Well, I want to.

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Yeah put your time on holt. Thank you. The staff ready to answer the question. Okay,.

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Now so could you repeat the question we're just getting settled: okay, yeah.

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Happily, counselor krusty is pre circulated to council a number of.

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Recommendations, I'd say the three of them and so he's recommended deleting a.

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Recommendation three and then inserting three new ones. Can you explain to me the.

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Implications of these modifications, of course, counselor through the speaker.

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These are technical amendments that legal has advisor required to ensure.

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That the record be the necessary delegated authority is in place for the.

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Approval that the community council had given for this motion. Okay, and how does.

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This help this do we've heard a lot from the businesses on king street. How does that? How does this help them to speaker? The businesses asked for an opportunity.

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To engage with the pilot through the use of curbside cafes, as well as public.

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Installations and and this report as well as this motion provides us with the.

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Opportunity to ensure that those cafes can be in place. Thirteen businesses have.

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Expressed interest in those cafes and so we're responding to the requests of.

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Those businesses can you describe the physical layout well, how this would.

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Actually appear or be animated on on king street, when it's actually.

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Implemented through the speaker, fiona chapman will be able to respond more.

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Fully to this, but there are a number of different cafes or public installations.

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Some of which would be cafes for the purpose of business use, others would be.

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Public installations for the use by anyone and count and fiona can respond.

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Further, I'm I apologize that through you, madam chair. I wonder if I'm sorry, I.

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Apologize through you, madam chair, I wonder if the question could be repeated.

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Yeah, I'm just saying I just want to get an understanding of the physical layout.

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Of in the end, if this is implemented fully, what that, what it would be look.

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Like how it would be animated, okay, we have 19.

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Cases and there will be a variety of installations, so we have 13 of the.

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Restaurants, which will be have expressed an interest in putting in outdoor cafes.

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We also have two businesses which have decided that they'd like to put in just.

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Public space installations and maintain them themselves. On top of that, we then.

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Have the winners of the public contest called? Everyone is king, and that will be.

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A variety of public pop-up installations, so we have to destination parklets.

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And then a variety of either art installations, murals seating areas that.

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Will be rolled out over the coming months, so our goal in total is to have.

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That section of king street, particularly in these 19 spaces, be quite vibrant and.

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Be a destination for people to to look to in the city, and so the configuration.

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Of this would be what I'm asking really for placement well through you, madam.

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Chair, we do actually we're working right now with the varying projects to.

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Determine exactly where everything will go, and so some of the spaces are quite.

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Long and will be divided up into a mixture of public spaces and then the.

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Private uses for the cafes, they will not extend past the curb lane and.

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Specifically for the outdoor cafes, they will have much the same guidance as we.

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Had brought forward when we were considering the outdoor cafe reports so.

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No, they won't extend past the curb lane. That's right, they're contained within.

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The curb lane that's correct, but my understanding is when you're loading streetcars that takes up a bit of space. So how do you facilitate that? Well, the.

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Loading of streetcars is all done through the actual ttc stops. So these.

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Are the existing public spaces that are currently defined by planters? Okay, thank.

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You very much that's helpful. Thank you. It's already defined yeah, so there any.

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Further questions, councillor robertson: did you want to.

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Speak on it, no okay! So we have the amendment here by councillor cressy. It.

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Is everyone, okay, with the amendment? Okay, all in favor of the amendment on favor.

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Gary item as amended on favor carrie.

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Councillor til the end. You have your motion yet for that tree.

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Tree protection seen it back to sign wow, we might have to just defer it. Okay do.

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We have the in camera the item, yet no, okay, okay, it's okay, count, count page, six.

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Counselor grimes: are you ready for cc 38:11 mimico, just judson secondary plan.

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Come I'm not I'm waiting for report we're working on a settlement here now.

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And it's going right to the wire. So no I'm not.

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Okay, I'm just trying to get some of the items dealt with because we're going in.

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Camera deputy deputy mayor minimum, did you have yeah 30? I just have one.

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Question on 38.9: it's okay, but we're not there yet: okay, okay, all right mm 38.7.

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Councillor robinson yeah: um what is that item sorry? Did that say. Oh enough said.

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Now I have, I don't, have questions on it, but I'd like to speak on it. Okay, so.

J

Start with men and wong, you have questions. Okay, go ahead! Yes, so this is.

H

This item increasing the constituency, services and office budget over there so.

M

The the office budget was not adjusted given that amendment at budget committee.

H

Awesome, so what so? What you're saying is they? This was attempted at budget.

H

Committee, it was moved at budget committee and it failed at budget.

H

Committee, sorry to be clear through the speaker at budget committee, this motion.

M

Was moved which removed the ability for councilors to have the constituency.

M

Office paid for out of the general budget for private space yeah. That was.

M

Confirmed by counsel yes, so this motion here is to reinstate the ability for.

M

Councilors to pay for a constituency office on private space through the.

M

General budget- I see we just put this in the last.

H

Budget cycle- yes, that's correct! Last month, so you're putting it back in for.

A

What we could go so we reopen this at 2 o'clock and so.

H

And, what's the what's the cost associated with this, the there's no.

M

Budget impact for 2018 as a result of reinstating this 419, yes 419, there will.

M

Be a budget impact. Yes, what was the projected budget impact in.

H

8 so for for 2017, the actuals were in the.

M

Range of a hundred and sixty thousand dollars related to the leases on private.

M

Office space, okay, so so essentially we said no to this before they're. Try.

H

Councilor pasternak is trying it again. The motion reinstates the policy that.

M

Allows that cost to be covered by the general budget. Thank you. Okay, counselor.

A

Counselor davis questions I just wondered this would be considered in the.

E

2019 budget process is that the intent- I guess you don't know the intent. So if.

M

This, if this were to be reinstated, it would be included as a as a pressure in.

M

The 2019 budget, so one of those long lists of not funded in the budget well.

M

It was funded in the budget for 2018, I'm talking about 2019. We have not prepared.

M

The 2019 budget yet so I can't really speak to that. Okay, it's really a.

E

Question of finance- I guess counselor kimball. Well, I I need some clarity.

N

Because I recall a year ago, during the budget debate, that we had a balanced.

N

Budget and then councilor palacio put in some street sweepers and we had a.

N

Scramble to balance the budget, so my question: is we balanced the budget for.

N

2019, this is like putting the street sweepers back, so I don't know who's here.

N

If there's anybody gonna answer this, maybe mr. st. a man can it we're talking.

N

About the 2019 budget, that's what this is about.

N

2019, yes and know through the chairs as well. Sorry, this is about 2018. This is.

O

2018 the 2018 budget is funded. This would not be in the preliminary budget.

O

For 19, which is not before you and will not.

O

Be before you as a counsel, however, if this is reinstated, I would expect that.

O

Leases may well be signed before the budget is passed. Sorry, so we passed a.

N

Budget for 2018 a couple months ago, this this is for 2018. This is a this is a.

N

Cost implication for 2018. No, it is not because those these leases were already.

O

Signed no, no, no and well-funded in the 2018 budget, so the existing leases.

N

Expire at the end of this year, so this is 2000 and oh, that's right. Okay, so the.

N

2019 all right, okay, but with this with this moment the motion. So what is the.

N

Effect of this motion, the motion, if it's passed may well allow leases to be.

O

Signed which will be part of the 2019 budget, 2019 budget, aha, okay, so so the.

N

The leases are in place now till the end of the year. Yes, I recall that the leases.

N

Are in place to the end of the year to the end of the term, because we couldn't.

N

Get out of them the effect of this if this is overturned, then in the next.

N

Budget cycle, we would then, when, when would the decision be taken as to.

N

Whether or not 2019 leases could be could be entered into if there's no.

N

Budget line item for it, if this policy were to pass, my expectation is, after the.

O

Election leases would be signed, except that there's no budget provision for it.

O

It will be part of the 2019 budget and we will be in the same position we're in.

O

We were in in the 2018 budget. That sounds like a comment from a counselor.

N

That, probably as an outside office, that's all my questions. Counselor may.

A

Havoc right, yes, thank you. So if I understand this right, then we're good.

G

Till the end of people who do have outside community offices are good till.

G

The end of 2018, but there will be a level of uncertainty. Gentlemen, gentlemen,.

G

David david there'll be a level of uncertainty for new counselors at the.

G

Beginning of the term, because they won't know whether they can or should be able.

G

To have a community office, so if this policy is reinstated, it will close sorry.

M

To be clear, the leases are until the end of the term, so that is until november.

M

30Th of this year, if this policy is reinstated, then we would be willing to.

M

Sign new leases based on the policy, and it would be a budget pressure for 2019.

G

And if, if the, if this doesn't go forward, then counselors, who get elected and who.

G

Want to enter into leases will have to do it and they won't know whether it.

G

Comes under their office budget or whether the general counsel budget, this.

M

Policy specifically directs that that is an eligible cost to be covered by the.

M

General budget, it would be up to council to ensure that there's enough money in.

M

The general budget to cover policy decisions like this one and they said.

G

Not the case that the councilors, who, if you mapped out the counselors that have.

G

Community offices, it would be fair to say that virtually all of them, their.

G

Constituency office is far from one of the civic center's. Would that be fair to.

G

Say I'm sorry counselor. I don't have a map in front of me right now.

M

Dude, do you have an impression or the policy states that any counselors that.

M

Have a civic center in their ward should locate their constituency office in that.

M

Civic center is there any counselor that has an office in the civic center also.

G

Having a community office, no, I don't believe so.

M

Okay, thank you. Okay, before we continue looks like we have a lot of questioners.

A

Now counts there um perks. Thank you speaker, I'd like to move that.

D

We extend the meeting to complete our business. Deceive me record it well, we.

A

Have to go in-camera and really it there's only two or three.

A

Items left qasr may have accounts are fillion, please cal charcoal.

E

Cows are wong-tam celtic rhymes, please, cows are shiner councillor mcmahon.

F

The motion to extend the mean to complete.

F

The agenda carries, the vote, is 31 to 7 counts their burnside. Thank you. 3 to.

P

Staff, what's the monthly budget per councillor for office space through the.

M

Speaker of the maximum allowable rent is just under $20,000 for the year for a.

M

Space in a private building so about 1650 right, your math may be better than.

M

Mine, okay, thank you yep uh one last question. So, if you have 47 councilors.

P

And I understand that the ones who have city hall and whatnot in their wards.

P

Aren't wouldn't be eligible, so I guess that's four or five. What would the.

P

Total budget, what would the total cost of the city be if every other councillor.

P

Were to rent an office at the 20,000 at the 840,000, forty to eight hundred and.

P

Forty thousand eight hundred and forty thousand thank you councillor shan thank.

Q

You, madam speaker, so just my question is around. I know there's some conversations.

Q

Around what would happen in between november and february or march, during.

Q

The budget time what happened in 2016 when this was allowed to happen in 2017.

Q

Came about and the budget did not get approved till february or march.

M

So this is a policy that allows certain expenses to be charged to the general.

M

Budget there is an allocation in the general budget to cover such expenses.

M

But since it's a policy, that's adopted by council, we would act on the policy.

M

And we would allow councilors who met the criteria to sign leases in this.

M

Space, so if this this directive, basically it was not a budget.

Q

Implication in terms of dollars, it was a directive for to consider for 2019.

Q

Wasn't in the in the document when we looked at the budget, what would have.

Q

Happened so if, if this this, this came about because there was a segment there.

Q

Was a phrase in the budget that was directing for next year to consider not.

Q

Having countless projects office in the private space, it was in the budget. There.

O

Was an operating budget briefing note if it showed that this would have a 2019.

O

Impact so there was no 2018 impact to this budget, but because of the way.

O

Leases are signed, it would have an impact next year. Next to thank you.

A

Thank you, counselor pasternak. Thank you. I'm mc speaker through you to staff.

F

Counselors, who have their offices at civic, centers or other city-owned.

F

Property is that do they get that space for free.

M

For civic center space, there is a chargeback for rents. In addition to.

M

The standard allotments, so each councillor is allotted one office in.

M

City hall, for example, so any space over that usual allotment there is a charge.

M

Associated with out it's an interdepartmental charge from facilities.

F

Right so so this argument that if we go into civic centers or other city owned.

F

Or agency owned buildings will be a freebie. That's just not that's just not.

F

True, there's an interdepartmental transfer and councilors will be.

F

Accountable for that expense, so there is a charge definitely, but the costs.

M

Associated with it is significantly less, then then, the rents that we can get in.

M

Privately owned space know now. I know, as chair of community development of.

F

Recreation there's an enormous premium on recreational space offices for for.

F

City staff and and program directors and so forth, as well as a premium in our.

F

Libraries and other agency owned buildings have staff done a opportunity.

F

Lost cost on on displacing important programming and staff from those spaces.

F

As councillors reposition from private space into our community assets,.

M

I'm not aware of any such analysis. There aren't currently any councilors renting.

M

Space in those types of centers there's one counselor that has an office space.

M

In a toronto parking authority building, but other than that, it is in these civic.

M

Center's, specifically no yeah, I've seen gord perks his office on cowen is that.

F

Right queen and cowen in a library has anyone spoken to the various divisions.

F

On what space they're prepared to give up of what programming they're prepared.

F

To counsel so that counselors can move from their private space into civic.

F

Space, I'm not aware of any of those conversations having been had now. We.

F

Find counselor services out of a out of a reserve or there's. We have a reserve.

F

In counselor services, counselors are assigned $32,000 a year and then of.

F

Course almost everybody comes under budget, so that goes back and why don't.

A

We just talk about what's before us here, we're not here to talk about our budgets.

A

We're here to talk about the constituency office, we're gonna, be here.

A

All night, if you could go, madam speaker, I was prepared to have this as a quick.

F

Release wow: yes, how could police we're not gonna be.

A

Going through the budget, I had no desire for a debate on this. Madam speaker,.

F

People want to close these offices for some reason and it won't save any money.

F

Are there any real savings? Here I mean we have a reserve fund. We we give every.

F

Every councilors, okay, okay, let's, let's move on, let's move on okay, we we have to.

A

Go in-camera yet members counselor care gianna's. Madam speaker, I only have one.

N

Question of staff: what is the cost? What is.

G

What is the actual cost for outside constant? Okay? Please go now mr. burnside.

A

Please please: what is the actual cost that the city clerk's office right now.

L

Pays for those offices in 2017, the offices in privately-owned space was one.

M

Hundred fifty nine thousand dollars so we're only talking to one hundred and.

G

Fifty nine thousand dollars wow. Thank you! Pardon okay, good counselor,.

A

Digiorgio that that could be a playground. Oh thank you manners feet.

K

Girl two very quick questions. Now she did george'll two quick questions.

K

Well, I'm one of the counselors that does have a constituency office and I am not.

K

Near a civic center, although I am near the york civic center, but it's occupied.

K

By the courts and there's no space there whatsoever to accommodate a constituency.

K

Office and so I have a constituency office in an entire industrial area,.

K

Across the street, from washington across history from the ingram transfer,.

K

Students we know where your constituency office is, but we know my point is my.

K

Point is, I don't know, is that one a visit according to the new policy? Will I.

K

Be charged the incremental cost of now having a constituency office in an.

K

Industrial area versus having a constituency office in some public.

K

Building, whether it and it's not available in my area, so if this policy.

M

Change to remove this as an eligible expense under the general account if.

M

That stays as was adopted at the budget councilors, can continue to lease space.

M

In a privately owned building, but it would have to be paid out of their office budget right, but in the alternative, in the alternative. Following.

K

Up on councilor pasternak's, if I have let's say a city-owned.

K

Building that offers services can I- and it's close by, can I elect.

K

To displace one of the services being provided, so I can relocate my.

K

Constituency office in that building pick up the courts. He needs any.

M

Negotiation about the use of city space is done in consultation with facilities.

M

So that would have to be a conversation. Why should be speaking to facilities? It.

M

Would be done through the clerk's office? We work with the operation for the next.

K

Term of call, I should be starting my conversation with facilities now with a.

K

View to displacing somebody out of the public building is that correct, so at.

M

The end of every term, if we would oh, I know, you're, not the enemy chris, I'm just.

K

Trying to put make a point- that's all you're, all enemies. Here, okay, you know.

A

What I think that I apologize okay, I think this is going a little too in.

A

Different directions, so I'm just gonna hold this item down. No, because we're.

A

We're being really silly now we're being very silly and so counselor deputy mayor.

A

Men and wonk: yes, you love emotion, yeah, I'd like to go into camera to deal with.

H

Mm 38.3 5, that is appointment of chief building official and executive director.

H

Toronto buildings was held by council shining and I'm going into camera.

H

Because of personal matters pertaining to the appointment of a chief building.

H

Official, an executive director, okay on favor, a way to the council chambers, gets.

A

Vacated did john. Are we in public, okay members.

A

This meeting is now resumed city council's completed its closed session.

A

Consideration of item mm thirty-eight point 35 on the appointment of the chief.

A

Building official, no major, no motions were made during closed session. We have.

A

Not proceeded to the public debate on this item councilor audio mary- is it.

O

Appropriate for me at this time to move the motion yeah all right, I'd like to.

O

Move the motion and confirm what the motion that you would like move move.

O

Move, yes, the staff recommendation. Thank you mendacious. On favor recorded.

G

The item is adopted, the vote is thirty.

F

Four to one.

A

So what do you ask that you want to reopen it motion to reopen.

A

Anybody, um okay, counselor, do bear makers moving to reopen on favor carrie, okay,.

A

Let's, let's vote again.

H

After holland, please counselor mount low, counselor davis, counselor thompson.

E

That's army havoc. Please.

F

The item is adopted unanimously, 35 in favor.

A

The list on the screen, callister shiner.

A

You have a question: yes, okay,.

A

Hold on counselor flexor as a point of pride, I have a point of privilege and.

E

The speaker suggested that we were in camera and I should be off my phone and.

E

I we had a little exchange because we were actually in public at that time. So.

E

I apologize, you said you were making a joke and I accept it as a joke. Speaker.

A

Counselor shiner quite sure, thank you, counselor shiner. I know I'd like staffs.

L

Attention so I can ask the question: okay, can we have staffs attention kelsey.

A

Burnside as cal so charming, it's okay, dear okay, counselor shiner, you have the.

A

Floor so to you, but you'll, end up with the staff what's in front of us is a.

L

Request to reopen the item on the budgets: if we reopen it and approved it.

L

It means that counselors next term could rent an office as of january prior to.

L

The budget approval and that would come out of the general budget is that correct. It would be as of the start of the term, which is december 1st, but yes,.

M

That's correct sorry december 1st and if council made a.

L

Decision not to fund them later on. Would that cause us a problem out of the.

L

General budget, so it would cause a bit of a problem in that most leases have a.

M

Three-Month period where you have to give notice in order to get out of the.

M

Lease so, depending on the different lease agreements with those different.

M

Properties, some of them may be harder to get out of than others. So let me go the.

L

Reverse now, if we don't reopen it now and during the debate, the budget.

L

Consideration council decides to permit it from the council general budget and a.

L

Member of council has signed a lease, then they won't have to pay for it from.

L

Their office budget, it will come from the general budget. Is that correct? So at.

M

The beginning of the term, we would approach all the members of council to see if they wanted to secure a constituency office and in a public.

M

Space and if this policy, if we weren't allowed to take that from the general.

M

Budget they would have to agree to pay for it from the office budget and then.

M

If council reinstated the ability to pay for it from the general budget, then we.

M

Could move that cost back to the general budget? So then, if we want the next.

L

Council to make the decision as to whether next term offices can be rented.

L

Out of the general budget, we should stay with what we have and let the new.

L

Council make the decisions which it can do when it deals with the budget, whether.

L

They wanted out of the constituency budget or the general budget. So if the.

M

Budget, if the budget stands as it was adopted last month, and these expenses.

M

Are no longer allowed under the general budget, we would have to move any.

M

Counselors, who are reelected out of their constituency offices in private.

M

Space, if they cannot afford to pay for it out of their office budget and then.

M

If council wanted to reinstate that as an eligible expense under the general.

M

Expense budget, then we'd have to find them space and renegotiate leases and.

M

All of the associated costs of finding them and setting up a new constituency.

L

Office or if I had that space, could I not ask my landlord for an extension of.

L

My lease until council makes the decision and see if I could negotiate.

L

That, because I'm already there would that not be an option that I could.

L

Consider, yes, that would be an option to explore right. So if the landlord was so.

L

Willing to allow me to stay until council determined, and I could make that.

L

Determination at that time, whether I had sufficient room in my own.

L

Budget or I didn't if I couldn't get it from the councilors budget, but I.

L

Wouldn't necessarily be evicted, I would have that choice brain if the landlord.

M

Was amenable to that agreement? Yes, thank you.

R

Councillor robinson, thank you, madam speaker,.

J

To staff pre and automation, where were offices of councilors housed, pre.

J

M

I don't have that information with me. Sorry, so I guess you.

J

I'll ask it: were they were they positioned in the in the civic, center's.

J

The former six cities I'm seeing from a former mayor. Yes, that was the case. Yes,.

M

We're just not sure about how much extra space there was allocated. Okay, so it's.

J

My understanding that pre amalgamation counselors offices were in the civic.

J

Center's currently so we just just weeks ago, we voted to not support this going.

J

Forward is that correct that is correct during the budget, this was removed as an.

M

Eligible expense from the general expense budget, so that was just.

J

Literally weeks ago, this council, this body buff that were in this, we're all.

J

Together in this room, this body determined that that was going to be the way forward. We weren't going to support this expense correct that was last month.

J

Last month, thank you. Our councillors allowed to be in.

J

Commercial locations, like you know, would you see counselors offices with winners.

J

And shoppers drug mart- and I mean with that, would that be it with is or is.

J

There a case of that, where you're seeing a councilors name being promoted with.

J

Big box and other retail outlets there's no situation like that currently and.

M

There's nothing. The policy doesn't really speak to that.

M

Particular situation, the commercial locations in strip malls, so can you can.

J

I'm aware of a counselor who's in the strip, mall and name is on led sign with.

J

Winners and shoppers drug mart is that permitted. It's a big box, retail, a major.

J

Arterial roads there's no prohibition of spaces of those kinds, there's no.

J

Prohibitions, meaning you you're able to get that type of exposure as a city.

J

Councilor in those major strip malls and retail outlets, that's correct.

J

How does that impact? I guess you're, not an you're, not you don't represent election staff, but I just wonder about incumbents and their ability to your our.

J

Ability as a council to level the playing field when we get to election time with that type of exposure being permitted by city council and the civil.

J

Service, so the constituency offices can't be used for any elections purposes.

M

But there is no removing of signage in constituency offices during an election.

M

Period so the signage has to be removed during the election period. No sorry, the.

M

Signage is not removed during an election period on constituency offices.

J

It's not removed no, and so it remains throughout the election period.

J

Led-Backlit signs with councillors names on that that's air through the whole.

J

Election period, any of the signage on a constituency office remains, as is until.

M

The end of the term of office of that okay, I think we're going a little beyond.

A

You know I'm done. Thank you. Yeah okay counts to robinson, not you you're up to.

A

Speak you held it. I think I've covered it off with my questions just weeks ago.

J

This body decided that we weren't going to approve this expense for a whole.

J

Series of reasons I I have concerns with you know.

J

Especially in an election year, we should be looking at ways of leveling the.

J

Playing field and making sure that incumbents, as well as potential party.

A

Cal security and a stop interrupting sorry.

J

Thank you speaker, so I think we should always be looking at as a council in.

J

Being responsible ways of leveling the playing field and what I just heard from.

J

Staff was not in any way shape or form leveling the playing field, and we have.

J

To make sure that all candidates have a chance and what mike my concerns are and.

J

During the election period, these signs remain a major arterial, roads, backlit.

J

With major retail outlets so very well profiled also, I just think it's not.

J

Something that we should be supporting there. We have amazing civic center's.

J

Across our city, where people can do it's one-stop shopping, they can come and meet.

J

Their counselor and also meet with city staff on various issues or obtain.

J

Various permits etc. So I think that's why we have civic center's. I think.

J

That's a great function for the civic center's and I fully support councillors.

J

Who use that as their space to meet with constituents? I have to say also the way.

J

This was framed up and I don't have it right in front of me right now, but the.

J

This is the title of this, is, I think, very misleading, and it's disrespectful.

J

To councillors, who don't have spaces like that, where you, what was the title.

J

There it is helping seniors parents and people with disabilities of access city.

J

Services, I don't think that's truly reflective of this issue. That's we're.

J

Debating right now, so I think that's misleading, unfair and disrespectful to.

J

City councillors, who all work very hard, potentially out of city hall, where they.

J

Meet and greet their their their residents. Thank you.

A

Coughs or shan, thank you, madam speaker. As you know, there is only there are only.

Q

A few counselors proportionately that have this my my ward, some residents of.

Q

My ward will have to take a bus for 40 minutes to get to scarborough civic.

Q

Center and some folks may not realize how far there is on a bus ride that is.

Q

After you get on the bus, but how long do you wait for the bus and you know how.

Q

Since being established an office in malvern, which, in fact, rental wise.

Q

Compared to many other areas is much cheaper and and instead of taking up a.

Q

Space in a central scarborough, this is actually more affordable, real estate in.

Q

Some ways, but more residents have been able to come in walk into the office to.

Q

Get support every day. There is, you know dozens of people coming in to find.

Q

Support and so on, I think we have to find ways. Every counselor does not have.

Q

The equal type of access to different things and we are not created equally.

Q

Because each area has different levels of resources, different rental agreements.

Q

Different forms of real estate and so on, so we cannot compare all all of us.

Q

Together in the same set of rules and in fact many counselors, it may be better to.

Q

Be in civic center than being in as if I was a scarborough center counselor or if.

Q

It was a counselor close to one of those things I would prefer to be in scarborough center, not in mal work like the way it is so it is. It is very.

Q

Important to keep equity into this conversation not to be thinking around.

Q

Every counselor should have the same thing. Some of our counselors here have.

Q

Different sizes office, some of them, have more access to their constituents being.

Q

Able to come here directly because the subway accessibility is there. You know.

Q

You can get you can get from kipling to here faster from kipling station. Then.

Q

For somebody from my word to get to scarborough civic center, that's the.

Q

That's the reality, so it's important to keep equity in mind. It is something that.

Q

That we should consider, we have had it before it, it is actually a form of.

Q

Engaging our community- and I hope counselors- would take that into.

Q

Consideration, I don't think all 44 or 47 counselors are going to ask for it.

Q

Because they're not going to be in the same need, as some of us are in with.

Q

Respect to access, transit and other options for our residents, so I would.

Q

Urge councilors to support this in the context of the money.

Q

Spend this is a small amount of money, relatively speaking, to engage our.

Q

Community be able to be accessible for the community to be able to serve our.

Q

Communities better- and I hope this will be considered favorably. Thank you. Okay,.

A

Let's try to move this along councillor burnside. Thank you, madam.

P

Speaker, I have a motion. I don't support this all. I can't do think about it. What.

P

Do you want me to do all my time, please so that can I speak okay. Thank you, madam.

P

Speaker, I don't support the office budget for any office budget for a.

P

Couple reasons: one: we've heard that it's difficult to access our counselor, but.

P

Whatever happened to the council are going to the going of constituent. I.

P

Thought we're public servants, so this idea that everyone should come to us. I.

P

Find that foreign- but maybe that's just me anyway. I've also heard that oh, it's a hundred and seventy thousand dollars.

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Yeah no big deal in the big picture. Well, of course, it's not a big deal at when.

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You're talked to, if you want to compare it to twelve billion dollars, but go to.

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Any one of your constituents and tell them eight: it's only a hundred and.

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Seventy thousand dollars, it's nothing, see what they say to you, but you know I.

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Think the my biggest concern is that we come around a budget time and not all.

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Councilors, I know someone that such as councillor perks wants to raise taxes.

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And, and and and pay for for whatever programs he feels are necessary, but.

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There are a lot of us in here who vote for a tax increase at or near inflation.

P

Who asked every department to find efficiencies? Sorry, did you want to speak.

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Counselor. Okay, then maybe don't please thank you.

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We ask we ask okay, I don't know what's going on here.

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Today but people you know, members accounts are getting really. You know.

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Like I don't know, I mean you're acting like children. Now we keep interrupting.

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We're laughing we're talking on our phones, I don't know what we're doing.

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Okay, so thank you so my point is we asked we asked our staff to find.

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Efficiencies to come in two years ago, with less that, I think a 2.6 percent cut.

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This year, zero percent, but somehow we feel that doesn't apply to us even if.

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You want to say a hundred, and seventy thousand dollars is symbolic. So much of.

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Leadership is symbolic and we need to set an example. I thought we did a month.

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Ago, but somehow we've had some sort of epiphany. In any event, my my motion is.

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Really saying: okay, I have a feeling, I'm gonna loop, we're gonna lose that vote.

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But let's cap it at $15,000 and bring it down from 20 at least that's showing a.

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Little bit of leadership, at least it's setting some sort of an example. If you.

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Want to go over 15,000 use your own office budget and I'm encouraging people.

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To vote for that, okay, can we put the motion on the screen? Please count to 30.

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Honest three minutes just a question: can we have the motion back up again? Please.

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15 yeah was up at the beginning, you are you, talkin, be capped with 15,000 per.

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Office or in total for office sorry, so you would be amenable a year to word.

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Says capped at 15,000 per office per year.

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You are a 100 percent, you would be okay if I were to make that that amendment.

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Yes, please yeah. Okay, now some havoc question to councillor.

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Burnside, do you think it is a fair to cap it at $15,000 when the cost for an.

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Office in rexdale- maybe maybe alka, maybe half of that in a midtown area or an.

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Area close to a subway line, so then maybe rap. Well, I don't know, I guess the.

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Question is really what you're saying is so maybe in rexdale it should only be.

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Ten thousand, you should be 20 if you want to do that. Motion, I'm happy with.

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That okay come on councillor perutz.

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Just clarification, oh yeah, of course, so so I know you've done the math on.

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This right, how many people are out there, renting offices that exceed the $15,000.

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And what would the overall savings be because I'm assuming you're thinking.

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It's a savings right. Well, that's not actually it's when I did speak and I try.

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To be brief, I actually said this is more about being symbolic, so, whether it's I.

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Think the average is about 18,000 and we're just looking at averages here. But.

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For me- and I was actually the whole speech is kind of about- you know what we.

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Asked staff to do 0% minus 2%, 2.6 percent, so this is really about saying.

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Hey we're willing to tighten our belts a little bit. That's all so so what you're.

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Suggesting here is if the average is 18,000 and we're spending a hundred and.

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Sixty so that that assumes that there are seven offices out there that are.

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Exceeding to 15,000, so if you shade, the 3073 is 21, so you're actually saving.

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Your perceived savings would be $21,000 more or less right. That's what your.

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Motion would do well, okay, so eighteen thousand and I said--and we it's.

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Actually, nine on it's nine, its nine office is not seven. So if you want to, if.

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We want to play the math, I'm happy to do that, and so now I'm be $27,000 yeah. So.

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27,000 those you also understand not all the counselors, for example, spend.

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Their office budget spend a thirty thousand in their office budget right.

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You understand that that, even if you played that game from the general budget.

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You could still get to a situation where you save zero. Just means that people.

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Will have to spend two or three thousand dollars more out of their own office.

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Budgets, which, which would get returned to the general city coffers at the end.

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Of the day, so so, even though you played that little game, you understand that you.

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Might not save a nickel right technically well, if that's the case, then.

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I would expect you to support it if you have no worries. Okay, thank you.

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Thank you, councillor, pasternak, okay, calcio pasternak. Please, we want to.

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Go home tonight. Thank you, madam speaker. I'd like to call the question questions.

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Bank called recorded vote.

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Cows from a havoc, please counselor, cole,.

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Please counselor davis, counselor, perutz, uh ezra fletcher, please counselor wang.

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Tim counselor perutz a please.

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We're we're voting to call the question.

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The motion to end debate does not carry. The vote is 25 to 13. That required.

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Two-Thirds majority has not been accomplished, come on. Tell us your holiday come on. Oh wow,.

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Nobody wants to go home, counselor care gianna's. Madam chair, let's try again, I.

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Want to call the question he's count: security, honest is calling.

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The question we can't call it twice: councillor davis, what ok, ok, then.

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Counsellor carried you up. Ok, you know, like I, don't know what we're doing here.

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Councillor carroty honest for those of us that have offices, remotely offices.

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Where our constituents come and they cannot come to town centres, I ask of you.

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To respect our constituents and let us work with them simple, as that I would.

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Urge you to vote to support councillor burnside motion, it's a fair one and if.

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We have to dip in our budgets fine, but for our constituents, the ones that we.

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Look after, like you do, and as far as led lights is concerned, whether you like it.

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Or not this year, they're going to be up. Thank you manager, councillor digiorgio,.

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Don't forget we're voting on your motion. Madam speaker, I can support. You know.

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What I'm gonna give a seminar, and I hope some of you come I'll- give a two to.

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Three day seminar and then maybe you can, you can then have a different outlook on.

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Life, but that being said, I I'm gonna support councillor burnside's motion.

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Councillor burnside, I think your motion is fair. I think there are ways of those.

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Of us that have a constituency office to italy incur slut and slightly over that.

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Like having a community office somewhere in the in a public, I think it's fair, so.

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I'll support you count, sir holiday.

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Quickly, yeah, I thank you for allowing me to tear into this a little bit. I want to.

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Remind everybody, I think the budget committee did the right thing. They took away this this silly budget look come to my office, you can see it's well fitted.

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With all the equipment, all the things that I need, my expenses for 2016 were.

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Four hundred and thirty three dollars to run my my office, I don't understand why.

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Anyone else can't run even the rent for a constituency office and still run a.

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Place- and you know what I I would also remind people that not only is it happy.

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Ones so I don't none of these rules that were put in place with a budget.

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Prohibits any counselors from renting an office under their office budget. It.

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Doesn't prevent any couple of counselors from working together to get two offices.

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Close together, even if it's in the north end of the city to make it work, I don't.

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Understand why people can't just work within their budgets? It's very clearly.

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Demonstrated it can be done if anyone wants some guidance on how to do that.

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Come see me callister thompson. Thank you very much.

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Speaker speaker, I rise to speak to this item. Having had the opportunity a number.

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Of years ago and speaker mic, it says 120 there on the tongue. I don't think I've.

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Been up for minute, 20, okay, I just want to be able to see the one I can see.

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Around me, so I've had the pleasure speaker of having had a constituency.

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Office and in a good week I would have maybe two people show up and in fact we.

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Had a situation where a man had threatened my staff member and she was.

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Afraid we were spending about fifteen thousand dollars a year for that.

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Particular office, what I learned after we closed the office is that I was.

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Actually much more effective by responding to my constituents either.

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Meeting in that, their homes, their place of business I'd meet sometimes at the.

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Macgregor library I mean at the at the scarborough civic center when people.

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Want to come there or varying other places, because generally the problems.

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That people bring to my attention, isn't about coming to an office to speak. To me.

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But actually to be at a specific area where the problem actually is. I've been.

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Doing this now for about probably the last 12 years and I've not had a problem.

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I've not had anybody from my ward actually have to come downtown to meet.

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Me about any particular matter. I have had a couple of constituents. Who've said.

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I'm gonna be downtown with my wife, fine and I'm going for lunch. We want to come.

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To your office, because we're downtown those are the only reasons why speaker.

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It actually can take someone from victoria park and eglinton, which is part.

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Of my ward to get to the civic center more than 40 minutes, so that is an issue.

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But I have not seen the rationale or reasons why I need a constituency office.

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To serve my constituents, I can very well serve them much better actually than.

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Sitting in a specific place where they come and see me.

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There are many offices in our community that offers community service.

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Enhancement, whether or not the agincourt commute the hub or what have you, they.

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Provide that type of service where people go and sit in generally people.

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Come to see me for 10 50 minutes, maybe half an hour an hour at.

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The most and so on, we have the ability we have facility. I've also met both the.

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Mcgregor library and the library at parkway mall in other areas in my ward.

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No one comes to see me that often at the civic center, very rarely do people come.

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I go to see them and I think that's much more effective and it doesn't cost me.

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$15,000 because it really wasn't an effective use, it was great for promoting.

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My name when I have the office and I get that, but that wasn't what we were trying.

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To do, I actually agree with this particular policy by not having to spend.

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This additional funds on offices. Madam speaker, I think that we should leave it.

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The way it is okay, counter aaja meri you speaker I'll, try to be brief, too. I will.

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Not be taking up councillor holidays invitation to go to him for guidance. I.

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Will not be taking up counselor to giorgos invitation to have a two or.

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Three day, seminar, I am talking out of the experience that I've had in.

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Representing my community for three decades, and that is that the seniors.

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Especially the seniors take advantage of the local constituency office because.

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The because the mps have one because the mpp is have one are we second-class.

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Representatives of our community- this is an issue fundamentally of of equity in.

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Outreach, I don't understand why a cap has to be had on the actual amount spent.

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Per year, because in my area perhaps I can find an office for under 15,000 in.

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Some of the other ward's, especially downtown- I don't see how they can so. I.

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Will not be supporting councilor burnside's motion. For that reason I just.

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Don't think it's equitable, I remember when we first got elected here. We came.

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In here- and it was councillor tom ja, quebec, who moved the motion for us.

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$75,000 budget for each counselor and I think we were fifty-four counselors at.

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The time and it seemed like that was an appropriate amount to pay for all of the.

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Fifty-Six, okay, no 75 was seventy-five seventy-five thousand, so I think that it.

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And, and at that time you paid for all your office, equipment and phones coming.

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Out of that one budget now- and this was a result of councillor- lindsay luby's.

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Motion that we have a central pool where we draw from and those who need those.

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Who need it take advantage of it and those who don't don't? I do it, because I.

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Encourage constituents to come how many times have they come? They come every.

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Week for documents that they don't know how to read and we translate for them.

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For the water rebate program for the tax forget forgiveness program, they're.

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Coming in and out in and out in and out, I wish we had an elevator, because some.

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Of them have trouble negotiating those few stairs, but but speaker I think it's.

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Really really important for those of us who have been serving community and who.

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Don't want to do without it as councillor thompson spoke, he has the.

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Perfect right not to shut his door, that's fine! I want to keep mine open and.

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There is not enough money now in the budget for people who want to have.

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Active communities and activate their communities youths have to spend money.

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To activate attendants group, you have to have literature out there. It depends on.

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What kind of counselor you want to be if you want to be a counselor where you lay.

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Back and have people come to you, that's one thing: if you want to get out there.

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And activate your community. That's quite another thing. Thank you! Counselor fruit.

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Speaker, I'm going to try to be as brief as I can as well.

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I recall one night I was I was sitting in the legislature and it was. It was.

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Late and I remember meandering over to bob nixon who was at the time the leader.

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Of the of the liberal party and bob nixon had been in the legislature back.

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Then, oh, I would say some pretty near thirty years and and I remember sitting.

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Next to him and we're having a little chitchat, and he explained why it was in.

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The legislature people had actually had desks, the desks actually opened and you.

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Could have stationery in your desk and there wasn't it and there was an inkwell.

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On the desk and bob explained that in the old days they would sit there, they.

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Would receive letters from people and they would sit in hand, write letters in.

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Response to their constituents, they didn't have the supports that one would.

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Have today or that they would have to take, why do I make that point and people.

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Here are saying it's late at night anthony, I was waiting for somebody.

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I was railing waiting for burnsy there to ask me the question why anthony are.

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You making are you making that point? I'm making that point, because, as councillor.

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Thompson just illustrated times change. We don't longer get handwritten letters.

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Not very many of them and we certainly don't get letters written to us on a.

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Typewriter that you would sit there on a typewriter and punch a response letter.

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Back we get emails, you get twitter, you get this, you get that you get the other.

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And we all represent different communities. Our communities are.

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Different, they are, and each and every one of us organize and represent our.

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Constituencies very differently now, if I wanted to represent my neighborhood like.

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Councillor thompson: I resisted a constituency office for the longest time.

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Because I felt for the longest time that we could do our work simply out of city.

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Hall and in organizing people and in promoting issues in the area and we.

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Discovered that that wasn't the case, I you know in my neighborhood jane finch.

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People see us as a sort of a first-date towards seeking help or support, and I.

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Discovered since opening that constituency office that in fact, lots.

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And lots of people- actually I sort of come through the the office to do that.

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Now, if you decide that we can no longer have that service for people, I will like.

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Everyone else simply close the constituency office. All I'm asking you.

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Is to be able to do my job the way I I see my work, but that's actually not what.

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We're talking about here tonight, nobody's talking nobody's actually.

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Saying you can't or can't have a constituency office really the issue at.

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Hand is: how do you pay for it if you have an office outside of public.

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Space, that's the question. That's before us! It's! If you're in a civic centre, you.

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Can continue to have a constituency if you go to, I don't know, I think the way.

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The motions work, if you go to a community center or some other place, you.

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Can still do that now, councillor burnside's motion says you can actually.

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Even do that outside of that setting, but putting a cap on the amount of money.

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That you can actually pay for rent and basically trying to claw it back on.

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Average some $3,000- and I suspect so so my counsellor next to me, who has a.

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Constituency office in industrial area is probably saying my rent is in fifteen.

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Thousand so I'm up here it is oh, so I'm, okay with it.

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But but really you're gonna be showing other than these. Some.

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Well, you know they discovered. I had a few things to say right. It's sort of.

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Educational, isn't it peuta caswell right? No, none, educational, not therapeutic! Well,.

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Let me conclude, then, by by saying this, and hopefully it'll be somewhat.

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Educational and somewhat therapeutic thanks, I believe you can do all of this.

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Stuff and I've actually save a nickel at the end of the day. Speaker, sorry, that.

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You think that you should let well enough alone, and just let us continue to.

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Do our work? Thank you, so very much boy that was one that was one of the.

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Shortest speeches I ever heard callister campbell, you know you know.

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Madam speaker, after over three years in this place, it never ceases to amaze me.

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How some counselors can speak when nobody's paying attention? They just go on and on understand now you know this.

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Was a interesting counselor, roger maris, according to the fact that she's been.

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Doing this for 30 years, you know these. These offices are really no more. You.

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Know, let's call with their their vehicles their there their opportunities.

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For self promotion, you put your sign up, it's a it's an outpost in their.

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Community, all of the civic center's are close by and yes, if my constituents.

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Would have to go 40 minutes on a bus if they want to do it. Fine, but more often.

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Than not I'll go to their house, I go to their house to look at their ditches. I.

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Go for the commissioner of oaths. I go to look at the fence exceptions. I go visit.

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Them, I don't know, what's keeping anybody else from doing the same, and when we.

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Have an office in a civic center: it's the city paying the city, so there is no.

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Cost to spike by the attempts of some people to try to think that there is a.

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Cost this city pays the city, it's a little ledger move and there's no.

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Opportunity cost of having those offices, so you know the budget committee, the.

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Budget committee made a decision. City council upheld the decision. We.

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Should stick to the decision? It's a hundred and sixty thousand dollars and.

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160 thousand dollars is not nothing, I wouldn't mind taking five or ten.

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Thousand of that and giving us actually a food budget watching tomorrow, but.

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That's another: it's a topic for another day. Next counsel will do that. Okay, we have.

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One motion recorded vote, caliper would say you had your five.

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Minutes you had your five minutes: okay, on favor.

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Cows are fletcher, please.

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Cows are haulin, please councillor mcmahon, please count. Sir davis john.

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Councillor campbell.

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The amendment does not carry the vote is 13 to 24. Okay, on the item recorded vote.

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Count superx, please counselor davis,.

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Counselor layton.

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The item carries the vote is 22 to 15. Shame, shame! Shame, okay, counsel, fillion.

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Council fillion: are you ready with your motion, I'm cal civilian on? Yes, the parks.

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Motion I'm just looking for okay, calstrs, chen calstrs shen. Madam.

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Speaker, I wasn't sure if you said shame after the last ward, if you did that's.

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Fairly offensive for the people who were in favor of that, and I would like you to.

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Withdraw there, I think by the speaker, the speaker, all right, okay, I know there.

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Were other members that did israel? Okay, thank you.

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I will retract it stints on this counselor holiday. You have question okay,.

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But, first of all, let's find out what counts affiliates moving. I just want to.

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Apparently, the motions that I plan to move we're out of orders, so I just want.

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To release it to the committee chair, councillor mcmahon, so you're you're.

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Moving at the parks and environment pe 25.1 to cal, so mcmahon, okay, the item.

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Okay, counselor holiday has a question, though, to stuff I do. Thank you, madam.

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Speaker part, the original: can you confirm to.

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Three to stop: can you confirm that the original recommendation of the report.

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Was that it be received by the committee? Is that correct.

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Through you, madam speaker, that's correct, okay, but so the parks environment.

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Committee added a whole bunch of prevent, potentially they added a bunch of work.

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For you, I just wanted to know and understand number four.

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Talks about applicants for a committee of adjustment need to submit colored.

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Photos he has a right footprint tree details, including the diameter at.

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Breast height tree species and then information about all trees located on.

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Site and within six meters as part of the application, can you tell me in your.

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Experience is your average citizen able to go and figure out tree species and.

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Run around taking measurements and how will they take measurements of trees.

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Within six meters of the site, if it involves going on a private property, the.

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Neighbor's property, so through you, madam speaker, might get assistance from city.

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Planning on this, however, in order to submit those documents, they're done.

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Through a dry write through an architect who would then receive an arborist.

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Report that would be part of that those drugs do do ever. Does every application.

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Have an arborist report: if there aren't any trees impacted through you, madam.

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Speaker, no, it may not be required. In that case, there would be a declaration signed and forward it off to forestry, well, which.

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What's your interpretation, though, of number four, because this reads to me.

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That, if I wanted to go to committee of adjustment, I'd have to do an awful lot.

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Of work with respect to the trees on my property and the trees that are on my.

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Neighbor's properties, because they're within six meters I mean that's a fair.

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Distance through you, madam chair, yes, this recommendation number four would.

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Add extra requirements in terms of a complete application that would come in.

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Through toronto building the customer service office before such an.

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Application even reaches the c of a. Are you? Okay? If I guess that the tree.

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Species, like I mean I'm, not an arborist. I don't particularly want to hire one if.

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I am getting some kind of small committee of adjustment at one end of my.

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Property about something else, I'm just worried about the practicality of number.

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Four and what staffs view is on this, because this wasn't your recommendation.

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This was submitted by the committee so, through you meant a speaker, the tree.

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Species is not necessarily that important at that stage, the location of.

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The tree is what's required, are you concerned at all that it says tree.

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Species like I I mean I tend to agree with you. I mean this is a lot of.

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Information, I'm not sure how important its biggest.

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Pinus or whatever you know, is on my lot or grievously ffice I mean I don't know.

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How to come up with the names it doesn't that require me hiring an arborist to.

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Fulfill the requirement of this motion, notwithstanding your advice, that it may.

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Not be totally necessary so through you, madam speaker,.

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It's the only way to specifically say it so that the intent is covered. I don't.

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Think it's going to hold up or impact the submission of the drawings and who's.

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Going to review the committee of adjustment applications that have all.

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This information on it for completeness and accuracy, even if there isn't any.

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Trees impacted so through again through you, madam speaker. The process is that.

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Urban forestry does inspect all of those sites, so this is giving the committee of.

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Adjustments additional tools when they make the decisions on whether or not a.

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Tree or a species might be in fact, so if I don't have any trees on my property.

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But my neighbors may be due within six meters of my property line and I have.

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Some small committee of adjustment, urban forestry, still reviews that application.

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Yes, we will review three week a rule review every application. It's the type.

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Of comments we make, we may say, there's no there's no concerns or we may ask for.

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Some condition specific conditions or we may reject you- know just try to fit in.

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One more question here: I just understood that this also talks about giving an.

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Information sheet to other city staff who may be visiting a site and I'm going.

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To assume that involves building officials, mls officials- is there some.

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Protocol right now in place with respect to reporting incidents regarding trees.

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Or matters of concern that one city staff person may have found on the site.

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That they're visiting and what is the utility of an information sheet, would.

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That be helpful. Does that then put an onus on the department to go and start.

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Reporting issues or we can scripting others to become the tree police really.

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Is what I'm asking so three of them out of speaker? I think this just outlines.

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The process that's currently in place right now.

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Transportation is very good when their inspectors go out and they're. Looking.

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For a curb cut and it's impacting a tree, they will notify forestry planning does.

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The same so I think this is just outlining the guidelines so that the the.

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Dots are connected. Okay, nothing gets missed. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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Councillor fletcher, I just wanted to ask the chief planner, that was miami, and I.

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Know it's late, but when I was at committee I got the distinct impression.

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That at the committee of adjustment or any zoning that the committee of.

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Adjustment of the local appeal board or the omb has a final decision about any.

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Tree on the property that the city at some point loses its ability to say no, I.

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Just wish to have that clarified by planning so through the chair. Ultimately,.

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The committee of adjustment is, or in in the case the community of adjustment or.

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In the case of an appeal, the the tea lab is going to make the final decision on.

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The four tests for tests of the planning act and the tree is part of that mix.

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Whether or not the trees saving the tree or properly mitigating the impact on the.

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Tree will be part of the consideration of whether or not that application meets.

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The four tests so any as a planning issue as a planning issue when we're.

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Dealing with a zoning matter- and we heard there are trees on site that need.

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To be removed, there are essentially no permissions that are required to remove.

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Them because that really isn't within the jurisdiction, it's the own beast.

E

Jurisdiction at the end of the day, if through the chair, if the, if the tree is.

C

Impact is relevant to that proposal. Yes, that's that's correct. Let's say there's.

E

Eight trees that the developer says they wish to take down.

E

In order to build what they wish to build related to those variances, yes,.

C

Pardon me it's very hard for me to hear you even on your microphone mr. lyne.

E

Turn sorry, yes related if they are related to those.

C

Variances that are part of the proposal. Yes, then, that jurisdiction remains so.

E

That community, council or council has no authority over those trees in those.

C

Scenarios that's correct once they're part of a development.

E

Application that's being heard by another jurisdiction, yes, and I would.

C

Just ask our friends in urban forestry to supplement because they still will.

C

Though certainly write a report, so even if we had a report and say don't do it.

E

The committee of adjustment or the omb could say: do it I'm actually asking you.

E

As the chief- yes, sir, yes, that's correct, and if it's a city tree that's on that.

E

Same application, let's say they wish to injure a city tree to build what they're.

E

Building is there any jurisdiction? The city has over that or does the omb or the committee of adjustment have that.

E

Jurisdiction, if, through the chair, if it's a city tree the city, has a.

C

Jurisdiction over that tree and say no, you cannot do that in your application.

C

That's correct, so that's fine. I wanted to be very, very clear on those things.

E

From a planning standpoint, thank you. Thank you count. So scheiner go first to.

L

Mr. lind turn am I correct in that we're adding to the responsibilities of an.

L

Applicant with an application in front of the committee of adjustment.

C

I would through the chair. Yes, we we are insofar as they may ultimately have to.

C

Engage in arborist in order to deal with these issues. So by asking for this.

C

Information in interrupts for, for example, we're bringing that we're asking.

C

The applicant to do that sooner earlier in the process, but they'll have to do.

L

This properly and to go within six meters of their of their own property.

L

Most likely have to engage in our worst, an arborist surveyor. They may already.

C

Have this information or on arborist or an ana surveyor? Well, they already need a.

C

Survey but the survey may or may not include this information, so they'd be.

C

Likely advised to consult an arborist. Yes, do you have any concerns with it.

C

Well, I mean the the the staff in the staff report did not did not recommend.

C

This, I think urban forestry can certainly comment on the additional.

C

Responsibility we'll bring from a from an applicant point of view. I hear.

C

Concerns about length of time, for example, that that people are confronted.

C

With when applying for the committee of adjustment, depending on the panel.

C

They're seeing and you have to weigh that you have to weigh that against the.

C

Important public policy concerns of conserving the and preserving the urban.

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Forest, so these are, these are issues they go to wait. These are substantial.

C

Issues: it's not a total view at any concern with it.

L

Pardon me I just wanted to know if you've any concern within that I know I.

L

Understand the policy, another it'll be another issue to manage. So a question of.

C

My friends in the flora city of adjustment, mr. doyle,.

L

Now we were asking to complicate the process of committee of adjustment.

L

Application where you could be going down two or three homes, because six meters could have you on two neighboring properties. This wasn't your.

L

Recommendation wasn't through three, madam speaker: it was not our.

S

Recommendation so then, let me ask you the next question: do you believe the.

L

Recommendations will be very helpful. Somewhat helpful are not helpful in.

L

Saving trees, so through you, madam speaker,.

S

I can't answer the question because I'm not sure it hasn't been done. I don't.

S

Think it's gonna be that onerous, but it will add more work to the applicant in.

S

The fact that it might identify trees and and another line on the property.

S

That is the as of right may, provide them with more tools to make a better.

S

Educated decisions is there another way to go about this? Sorry, madam speaker,.

S

Since 2015, we put together a working group with city, legal planning and.

S

That's developed a great process in place right now. That's working very well.

S

That allows us to sort of connect the dots and I think the process hasn't.

S

Enough time to be realized to see the success of it, so if this was deferred.

L

For further consideration, awhile, you wouldn't be objecting to that. I'm trying.

L

To understand this, so three men are speaker. I think that'd be fine, but the.

S

Right now I don't, I don't see this as being that onerous. It may be read the.

S

Recommendation could be as simple as trying it as a pilot, so my next question.

L

Is I've got a property? I want to bring an application. It's got a bunch of trees.

L

On it, the new process makes me hire an arborist and the surveyor that I might.

L

Not be I look at the trees, I just chop them down. Would it not be a little.

L

Cheaper in some instances to see if I get caught and fine to just remove them.

L

Before I make my application, so I have nothing to report.

S

So through venice speaker, I would suggest that being the process, but at.

S

The same time, urban forestry does inspect 99 percent of these applicants.

S

These that come through the city of committee of adjustments, they're sent to.

S

Us in advance we'll go out and inspect we'll identify if the parries I'm going.

L

To chop them, they'll know, or I make an application right. We have the tools in.

S

In front of us to know whether or not the tree was there, we're not going to.

L

Cost me if you find that I chopped down a couple of trees, anything less than.

L

This reporting through you, madam speaker, it depends on the size of the trees.

S

Location of the trees, I mean we have some incidents out there that we're.

S

Looking at prosecution in in thousands and also there's fees and fines that are.

S

You know: okay, thank you. Councillor, davis,.

E

I'm wondering about I've had a couple of situations like this, where a public tree in the right-of-way obstructed the proposed.

E

Development that was approved by c of a and a building permit was issued.

E

So can a public tree block the building, permit that's been issued by another arm.

E

Of the city, so through you, madam speaker, the city, urban forestry can deny a.

S

Permit to remove a city tree, even though building or city to the c of.

S

A process issued a permit, so sometimes the right-of-way goes halfway up.

E

Someone's front yard, at least in our section of town and a tree in that.

E

Section of the front yard can be projected and block them proceeding to.

E

Use the building permit, that's been issued. So through you, madam speaker, it.

S

Doesn't stop the building permit? It stops the distracting important in a.

S

Driveway or something that would remove the trees, so they could still go forward.

S

And build, but they can't complete the project if the tree is in the way. This.

S

Is why the more information is probably better in order for everybody to make.

S

The decision- maybe councillor shiner, heard that.

E

Finally- and I asked this once before, are we keeping a record of all of the trees.

E

That are being removed as a result of the development process. Are we keeping a.

E

Database, we have, we have goals, to increase the tree canopy and increase.

E

The tree canopy, are we keeping records of the tree, canopy, that's being removed.

E

Due to the development process, so through you, madam speaker,.

S

We do have that information and we can extract it from tms, colonel maintenance.

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Management system, so we do have the information are we are, we are we doing.

E

That, as I asked that a year ago, and I was reassured that we were going to.

E

Start looking at the loss of the canopy through development, so through you, madam.

S

Speaker, we've been asked to report out to community council with respect to.

S

Some of those statistics and we're working on pulling that information.

S

Together, okay, thank you counts. There robinson thank you, madam speaker. In.

J

December of 2015, I moved a number of motions on looking at ways to implement.

J

Or better implement and integrate tree protection into development review and.

J

Building permit review applications. How does that play off that? That kind of.

J

That was step one is this enhance what we did back then and and again the seal.

J

Way, I always feel it's at the end of the process. The tree, the talk about trees is.

J

Always at the end of the process, like the ceo, a panel will say, and if this.

J

Should go to urban forestry, so I've talked to some of your colleagues and.

J

Staff over the years, particularly arthur beauregard, who's, now retired,.

J

Unfortunately, but I've talked to them about the fact that you're kind of at.

J

The tail end of the process and how has that all been addressed? You know given.

J

Those motions that I moved in 2015 and and then these additional motions before.

J

Us they're you, madam chair, the process has been enhanced or improved.

N

For instance, at this time we actually circulate all c of a applications to.

N

Urban forestry well in advance of it ever even getting to a hearing, so that.

N

The members can make an informed decision on the question you raise, so I.

N

Don't think it would be accurate to say that decisions about the trees happen.

N

Based on last-minute information, though, it may appear, the decisions being made.

N

At the last minute, so I guess maybe I wasn't crystal clear what I find and.

J

Again, you're you're saying it's been improved, so I'm very happy to hear that.

J

But what I, what I hear at the coa and under airlie there, but is that that the.

J

Panel's panelists will say we're going to approve this, but we subject to urban.

J

Forestry input, and so what I'm saying that really feels to me like it's, the.

J

Tail end of the process, and so when we're looking at circular driveways.

J

Concrete being put down and taking out tree roots, I feel like these a lot of.

J

These trees don't even have a chance of survival because of real issues related.

J

Hard infrastructure related to the development through you, madam chair, when.

N

The c of a makes a decision and it relates to street trees. It's usually.

N

Unconditional, that's conditional approval based on what urban forestry.

N

Has provided the sea obey so that's already captured in the comments that.

N

Come from urban forestry through to the cfa, it's absolutely clear, and it was.

N

Acknowledged earlier by the chief by the acting chief planner and by urban.

N

Forestry, that that is one input into the decision-making process that the c of a.

N

Panel members go through they, they have to make a decision based on meeting the.

N

Four tests, and at times they do choose through their approval, to not save a.

N

Tree it does happen, so is there some thought been given to moving the.

J

Driveway meter this way or that way who in the process, looks at that in order to.

J

Try to save a tree by just modifying a design marginally or some cases substantially through you, madam chair, in fact that.

N

Very scenario happens quite a bit when we get a new when we get a application.

N

At the c of a, we actually also circulate it to the community planning side of.

N

City planning they coordinate, review and comments, even though some departments.

N

Report directly, one of the very common pieces of planning that they involve.

N

Themselves, in is in fact, triaging and improving the site plan conditions.

N

Before it even gets to the c of a so often community plantings reports to the.

N

C of a have addressed that issue and the applicant has actually made plans like.

N

Shifting the driveway or entrance to the house or garage over and that's why, when.

N

It reaches the c of a though the panel members can make an easier decision.

J

Great well, I'm very pleased to hear that. Thank you.

A

Thank you councillor to bear maker. Thank you three, madam chair. I think to our.

H

Forestry staff to our chief forester, the recommendations, there's eight.

H

Recommendations before us, it appears to me, and would you agree that most of the.

H

Recommendations are very there's a low bar like, for example, recommendation one.

H

Is is asking to make sure that the local appeal body is provided with the most.

H

Up-To-Date council policies: do you think it's a good idea that the panel knows.

H

What the city's policies are through you, madam speaker,.

S

I do so that that's really does it. It's not a big concern of yours. In fact, it's.

H

A good thing through again through you, madam speaker, this is something that.

S

We're already is already on our agenda to help connect some connect, a few dots.

S

And educate the panel members great if I go all the way down, because most of them.

H

Are just I'll call minor in nature. Number eight at the end says that city.

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Council direct, the city of toronto's treason and ravine protection permits.

H

Website to be updated, be updated to include.

H

Information relating to tree replacement, etc, etc. So you're, fine with that.

H

Recommendation you think that your website should be updated through you.

S

Madam chair, yes, and does it need to be updated or is already updated again.

S

Through you, madam speaker, we are constantly updating it so again,.

S

This is just outlining some stuff that we should be doing that we are doing so.

H

Through you, madam speakers, so of these eight recommendations, number four seems.

H

To be what the recommendation that maybe has some people have concerns, but is it.

H

I think I heard you say earlier that if we ask applicants, for example, to provide.

H

A photograph of their committee of adjustment application to build their.

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Million-Dollar home or sever a lot, whatever they're going to be doing that.

H

That that the information in number four would allow the panel members to make.

H

Better educated decisions, three matters figure, that's absolutely correct and I.

H

Think you did, I hear you correctly, you said and you you do not believe it as owners for somebody like me to take my cell phone and take a picture of my site.

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And submit it with my my diagram, my application, three figure. That's.

S

Correct and again the city c of a panel will send that off the committee of.

S

Justice will send that off the urban forestry and will verify that information. Okay, great, thank you, council, mcmahon to speak.

A

Oh okay, thank you very much. I didn't really think this would be a big to-do.

B

But we, it was a very robust conversation at committee, which you know everyone had.

B

The right to come to our friendly green committee and we had, as I said, a big.

B

Debate discussion over this and where we were and as I think many of you are.

B

Concerned that oftentimes information coming to committee of adjustment or.

B

Coming to our staff is not fully representative of what is actually going.

B

On in the field, so we get submissions without pictures and drawings, whatever.

B

Without trees there and we find out, there are trees there, and then we have. I.

B

Just had an incident in my ward, where the tree was to be protected. It had.

B

Somewhat of a tree protection zone for part of the time, and now the trees just.

B

Come down in the neighborhood because it was damaged so badly during the build.

B

Committee of justin, so staffs working super hard to tighten that up and to.

B

Protect our trees better as best they can, because it's a little bit out of.

B

Their control with relying on builders and homeowners, to be honest and and.

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Steadfast and protecting the trees, so we just work with staff and council do set.

B

By my vice-chair who's- not here today, unfortunately, but we worked with staff.

B

To tighten this up a little a little more so we can protect our tree canopy.

B

And preserve it as part of our transform teok climate action change plan, and so I.

B

Will help you stick with the recommendations from committee? That's.

B

Why you have a committee and you have a chair all right? Thank you in advance.

A

Thank you, councillor, deber maker taron I'll, be following the the chair.

H

With the green dress, to provoke to protecting more green space in our city.

H

Madam chair, as I think, most people who hurt our staff speak, there are a set of.

H

Eight recommendations here I I sense that nobody has any issue with pretty.

H

Much any of them number four is the one application that seems to be of concern.

H

To people the number eight for example, says that the website should be updated.

H

To include information relating to tree replacement, you think that would go.

H

Without saying, but that was put in the recommendations to make sure people have.

H

Information same as making sure that panel members are informed of the most.

H

Up-To-Date city council policies number four, as our chief forrester said, to us.

H

Allows the panel members to make better educated decisions doesn't stop myself.

H

From going in and saying, I want to remove some trees from my property because I'm going to tear down my house and build my million-dollar mansion or.

H

My dream home all it says, is that when you put in an application, you've got to.

H

Take your cell phone you've got to take a picture of your site so that the.

H

Members of the committee of adjustment, who are saying thumbs up or a thumbs.

H

Down to your application actually know what your site looks like and I think.

H

This set of recommendations came out of concerns that many of us across the city.

H

Have had that sometimes committee of adjustment decisions are made and they.

H

Don't actually know what the trees look like or what the site looks like, because.

H

They're, looking at a black and white print out, sometimes of an architect's.

H

Drawing and just has a little round daughter circle on it, so these are very.

H

Straightforward and madam chair, I, like the chair of the parks and environment.

H

Committee would encourage everyone to adopt all eight recommendations and to.

H

Do like our chief forester said to make sure that the people we appoint to make.

H

Decisions are make better educated decisions on a recommendation that is.

H

Not onerous on any landowner. Thank you. Thank you.

A

Counts their lane. Yes, thank you, madam speaker, I'd like to call the question.

A

Thank you. The questions been called.

A

A

Trying to spare you.

E

Councillor jamari counselor, prusa, councillor davis, please.

E

That's our fillion, please. Thank you. The motion to and debate carries the.

F

Vote is thirty to five. Okay on the item on favorite counselor.

A

Holiday I on a porta mortar mana speaker if I may request that a the vote be.

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Recorded and be, I would definitely like to vote on item four separately. Okay,.

G

That's very important. Yes, okay, so you want to vote on party. That's fine! That's.

A

Fine, so we'll vote on part four. First.

A

Separately, celtic hereplease council fruits of.

E

Councillor wang chan, thank you, master del sur, council, early and council parade.

E

To please how's our coal, please part: four of the item carries the vote.

F

Is 24 to 11? Okay, on on the balance of the item on favor.

A

G

Kennedy mcmahon, counselor, wong-tam, counselor davis, please counselor.

E

Carmichael grubb &, counselor davis, please, the balance of the item carries the vote.

F

Is thirty two to three on page six cc.

A

38:11 counter shiner, you just like to move the report. Is it 11 or 12 that I'm.

L

Moving, oh wasn't on a page, I will move the report. The confidential report for.

A

Mimico judson, can I ask one quick question to stuff simply: are these your.

L

Recommendations in here, because these are in a colleague's board.

L

Are these your recommend, a staff recommendations which I'm moving? Yes,.

L

Thank you, I'm moving the report. Okay and my motion, you have an amendment correct.

A

Yeah, just a sec counter, shiner, there's an amendment where's the addition when.

L

The local councillor asked me to also move something nope, so I'm moving he's.

A

Taking carriage of the engine? Okay? Yes, all of that, I'm there it is a.

L

Stuck to the paper yes, and I'm also moving the other confidential 130, okay,.

A

We have a quote: we have a question by councillor, perks to stuff counterparts.

D

So I just in terms of the motion, you're moving the question you ask the city.

D

Solicitor was, did she support the big document which which she said yes to, but.

D

I just wanted to make sure that what the secondly, the motion you're moving.

D

Actually changes what the city solicitor put in front of us and substitutes in.

D

Something slightly different yeah. I understand that bret to increase.

L

The value by moving the second part, I'm I'm not asking value, not value, I'm.

D

Asking does your motion change the recommendations that the city solicitor.

D

Said she supported? Yes, thank you, but I believe she said no and someone else.

D

Your question: if that's when answering it, but it is my.

L

Understanding that she was supportive of the amendment as well. Okay, do we want a.

A

Recorded vote, my staff did helped draft the amendment councillor grimes. I still.

G

Have a question with this: for the sisters: you do you report and support the amendment. No, no! That's what you ask so, let's find out that they support it.

E

Yes, we're recommending it okay. Thank you. Okay, on the item recorded vote on the.

A

Amendment recorded vote.

E

Celso digiorgio, please counselor mcmahon after robinson, please kelter davis,.

F

The amendment carries the vote is thirty four to one thank you item as amended on favor care recorded.

A

As amended cancer kelly, please.

E

Councillor davis: the item is amended.

F

Carries unanimously 35 in favor on page 7 mm 38.9, council.

A

Wonk tam, you held the item down miss ma'am speaker. Thank you very much. Yes,.

M

Yes, madam speaker, I actually don't have any questions, because this my motion, but.

M

I did want to alert members of council that there is a recirculated advanced.

B

Motion that's been placed before you. It's been on your desk for several hours.

J

If there are no questions, I think we can probably just move it and adopt it. Yeah.

A

There is a revised that we received. Are there any questions? This is on members.

A

Motion 38.9, which is the bike theft near toronto parks yeah. We are, we anticipate.

B

A report coming back to parks, forestry and environment committee on june, the.

J

8Th and and staff that provides some assistance in drafting the the new set.

J

Of recommendations, okay, so on the item huh on the item.

A

Carried okay, aye. Next next item is a page 8mm 3814.

A

Paper shredding at environment days, deputy mayor minnewanka, elde, the item.

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Down do we have questions? Okay count will ask a concert campbell.

N

You know the staff is so, does the city have the facilities to shred documents.

N

For environment days, mobile shredded mope mobile shredding vehicles through.

C

You may know speaker, no, that's always a contracted service, so so the city would.

N

Have to contract out that, in order for that to be available on environment days,.

N

If you amount of speaker the way it works right now is individual counselors.

C

Who want that service at their environment? They get a three quotes and.

C

They'll actually contract directly with somebody to come in and bring that service to them and who pays for that. It comes over to the individual counselors.

C

Budgets? Okay, so that's their business! Okay! Thank you. Okay,.

A

Counts there hold on hold on look at all the names I have up here now. Okay,.

A

Councillor robinson to staff- I'm just wondering if so currently the way it.

J

Works at environment days, if a counselor wants to have a shredding, have shredding.

J

Equipment at their environment day, they fund it themselves out of their office.

J

Budget is that correct, that's correct, so this I think this request is to do it in.

J

A in a broader way so that it would be an rfp through the city, procurement.

J

System is that the request? That's my understanding. We do one procurement that.

C

Would you know, identify a preferred vendor a price and then any councillor.

C

Wishing to use that service would be able to use that service through the.

C

Procurement process, but it would still be at the cost of the councillor, so is.

J

There a chance in your expert with your expertise in your. In your estimation,.

J

That it might be more costly not to do it in that manner.

J

If you procured it not in that three uniting speaker, yes, we've received this.

C

Feedback before we actually went out and got quotes for multiple sources, and they.

C

Actually came in more expensive than what the individual councilors were able.

C

To get the exact same service from the same vendor, for why would that be? That's.

J

A philosophical question: so you what you're saying you've already.

J

Done some research and some legwork on this and your discovery was that it.

J

Would actually be more costly than it would be for the then the system, that's.

J

Currently in place and that's individual counselors, just securing through your.

J

Ministry, that's what we found a couple years ago. I have no problem trying it.

C

Again to see if we can get better pricing. Okay, thank you.

A

Councillor holliday, so why don't we have the shredding service part of the suite.

I

Of offerings on environment day already, is there a? Is there a booze.

I

Part of me, while I rephrase that is there any environmental benefit to this.

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Service, I threw you through you, madam speaker, you know making sure the paper.

C

Stays out of the garbage is always an environmental benefit. The actual confidential shredding is more of a personal preference of some people who.

C

Attend environment days to actually being able to see confidential personal.

C

Information being shredded in front of them, assuming most people understand.

I

That you put paper in the recycling bin what it would it be fair to characterize.

I

That the environmental benefit is marginal, although I would concede that.

I

There is some personal security value to this through you, madam speaker, I think.

C

That's a fair characterization, any idea what it costs for a truck to come. I.

C

Gained through you, madam speaker, we don't actually deal directly with the pricing, but when we went out it's anywhere from $400 to up to $1500 per.

C

Event: okay and maybe this this question is for the.

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The clerk's, if this report were to come back through committee, would that be a.

I

Vector or a way to have somehow have a central budget pay for this service.

I

Could a councilor amend that could accounts or create this as a city.

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Service through that pathway, because, right now that the service is something.

I

That a councilor goes out and procures, they could get computer repair cert.

I

Whatever it is, they put an environmental day, you know it's up to our discretion.

I

But through the report processes is, it is there a way that it becomes normalized as a city service. That's an example why members motion.

G

Should go through committee? I don't know who? Did you ask a question.

A

First, I have speak register. I don't really.

F

Understand the question- maybe maybe, madam speaker, if I can take.

C

That one on their behalf, regardless of what happens, it'll, ultimately have to go.

C

Forward through budget committee and approval as part of the solid waste for a budget, because it's not in there today, okay, so at the very least, we can at.

I

Least assure for the short time being that, regardless of what you report on.

I

The merits of essentially procuring this this this service, it would, at least in.

I

The short term continue to must do through the counselor's office budget.

I

Not through solid waste, not through the rate, supported solid waste, as you, madam.

C

Speaker absolutely thank you.

A

Councillor burnside, thank you through you to staff.

P

We would prefer to say that things that are that are traditionally bought.

P

Brought to environment day like paint, electronics and batteries or things.

P

We're trying to keep out of the regular garbage three amount of speakers. Yes,.

P

And would be fair to say that people there's an incentive currently if we.

P

Don't have an environment day, people would have to go to a depot like bermondsey to dispose of those safely. Yes, and if they don't they're gonna put.

P

That into garbage, and that's why we have the environment days. We do have other.

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Avenues: environment days as one opportunity to get rid of those materials. Okay, but one of the concerns is that they'll just put it in the.

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Garbage correct absolutely: yes, okay! So confidential! You mentioned something.

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About keeping paper out of the garbage stream confidential documents, if people.

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Aren't going to are so concerned that they're confidential that they're gonna.

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Shred them, what's the chance, do you think they'd actually put them in the garbage high if it's not safe, to put it in your.

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Get let me rephrase that, if it's not safe to put confidential documents in.

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Your recycling bin would you think it's any safer to put it in your garbage.

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I threw you, madam speaker, I'd, be speculating, but when you put something.

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In your recycling bin, it goes and gets sorted by other people, whereas if you.

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Put something in your garbage: it goes to landfill, okay, so there's there's the.

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Slight chance is this more so would you say this is also, though, about providing.

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A service to people through you, madam speaker, this is not a service that we.

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Provide is a solid waste division. This is the individual councilors trying to.

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Provide a service that their customers and their constituents of asked for okay,.

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Thanks thanks: okay, are we done? Okay, um it's some 10 o'clock, okay, count who held.

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This item down, okay, so counts terma havoc. I yes very.

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Briefly, I think what councillor do so is trying to do is basically get a reduced.

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Price still at our office expense if the reduced price doesn't come through.

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Through a centralized rfp process, I'm sure staff will tell us in which.

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Case, we'll all were all on our own. If, however, he does get a reduced price, then.

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We're basically to the to the plus, I think, that's the basic system staff is.

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Nodding, I hope you can support this report request. Thank you you, oh oh. I.

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Thought somebody else was there: no okay, okay on the item on favor.

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Recorded vote: this is a report request. The paper shredding.

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Maher tori, please counts, approved to please.

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Councillor mcmahon, counselor, digiorgio.

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The item is adopted, the vote is twenty six to eight okay, counselor digiorgio.

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You have the floor. What did she say now should digiorgio.

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Yes, yeah! Well, madam speaker, I I'm asking that council approve this motion and.

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Essentially, it is a direction that counsel advised the applicant that there.

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Is a committee of adjustment application that is required to to approve an.

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Increase in the commercial ad grade, over and above what the omb approved in 2015.

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In other words, the omb presumably approved the final zoning bylaw and then.

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When the applicant went to get a building permit, he sold more commercial.

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At grade than what the owned be approved- and I'm saying you know what you require.

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A variance and therefore you should go to committee of adjustment, I'm basically.

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Advising the applicant that he should file a committee of adjustment.

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Application he doesn't have to, but I want to put him on notice that he should.

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Apply to the committee of adjustment for a variance now, if that doesn't happen,.

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And then I'm saying you know what before the next council meeting, I would like to.

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See a an application submitted to the committee of adjustment if it doesn't.

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Happen, I will then proceed accordingly in the meantime, because I want to give.

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The applicant an opportunity to do things in accordance with due process.

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I want to defer all the additional items related to the draft plan. Approval of.

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Condominium because, in my view, the approval for the draft plan condominium.

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Is a right, the story? It's it's a privilege, it's not a right and I'm not.

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Willing to say you have the right to condominium.

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Registration now that you've got all the approvals, because, in my view, you don't.

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Have all the approvals, so I'm you saying as a madam speaker, the council just.

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Agreed to advise the applicant that he requires a committee of adjustment.

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Application and then we'll go from there. Okay hold on hold on who's banging on.

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The desk geez, okay! So what do we? So? What do we.

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Have before us just notified them then amended to notified on the I on the item.

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Gary sorry, could you turn counter to giorgos michael look iii? My michael.

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Words no hold on. Oh, please, why is everyone yelling? There are questions.

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Counts to fraga darkus. Yes, I have a question. Okay on the deferral, I don't.

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Understand the notice of motion that he brought forward and now he's asking for.

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A deferral! Why did he counselor to georgia? Why would you bring the notice.

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Of motion to this counsel, and that asked us to defer all these items.

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Okay, calcify go darkus, were you here earlier when he.

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Said that he wanted to first three of them and bring point a members motion.

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Were you here earlier when he well, I heard about the deferral and I was.

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Wondering why the notice of motion that he brought forward and then now he's.

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Asking for a deferral, so why did he bring the notice of motion here if he.

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Was going to defer everything because the noticeable? But it's just the other.

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Two items that are anyway like it's, the other two items that are being deferred.

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No, no there's three items being. I know: counselor digiorgio.

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Counted to georgia, what I was saying earlier, counselor fraga darkest was that.

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I wanted to give the opportunity to the applicant #name? committee of adjustment, I'm not saying.

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He has to I want to notify him that I believe so, but you're asking now that.

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That item being deferred, so how are you gonna? How is that my notice of motion.

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Gonna take a fact which this one, if yeah it's approved, I can the go. The applicant.

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Will be notified, you've actually moved a deferral. This is not a deferral district.

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There's your motion on the deferral is about three items, you know, but this is a.

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Separate item. Oh you have a fourth item. Oh sorry, I apologize. I stand my.

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Questions down, thank you for clarifying, so I think, okay, okay, okay for vote for.

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Faux-Tina, please one at a time. Please.

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On we're voting on the members motion, first, we'll put it on the screen. Okay,.

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Cap counselor matt low-cal council want am pleased for trying to vote.

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Well, we're voting now so there's the motion on favor carried.

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Councillor mcmahon counts or leave these.

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Cows are ainsley, please caster my havoc when you're seated.

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The item is adopted, the vote is 29 to 4. Okay, what's the next one.

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On the deferral on favor carry is that it? No no, I know.

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But on this item I don't want to see this item again. Okay, yeah, okay, now hold.

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On we have this motion domi a counselor counselor fillion. Would you like to move.

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Mm thirty, eight thirty, four, fifty eight hundred young street. It's and there's a.

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Confidential item attached to it, it's a staff report. I move the staff.

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Recommendations: okay, all favor, carrie; okay, we have one more members motion.

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That this one, this one was from the last meeting and the staff report, the report.

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The hydro, oh, but that was the one I think we'll bring it forward at the next.

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Count to me because I don't think that's a time or urgent. No, it's not. You know.

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Son, has it been added.

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Has it been added.

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It's not controversial, they put it up, put it up, put it on the screen and we'll.

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See if the counselors want to we'll want to deal with it put it on put it on the.

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Screen asks, I don't think, that's an urgent. If I might, we have seven.

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Vacancies of senior staff- okay- this is just tad camembert's. It.

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Okay, okay, I'm favor carried okay. Well circulate it, it doesn't need to be.

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Circulated it's so short, yeah, okay, mara, tori, I'd like to seek the concurrence of.

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Colleagues to introduce a motion without notice, that's an urgent matter and I.

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Don't know what I'm supposed to explain why now, but there it is it's about an.

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Appointment to throb police services board: it's okay! I think you, many people.

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Have been consulted on all in favor of speaker, can you make sure everybody's.

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Happy then, I can speak to it. Okay, this is just introducing it. Yes, that's all.

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Okay, just introducing our favor kari, okay meritor each want to speak up. Oh.

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Madam speaker and then hopefully be a comment or two made about this as just.

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Before we adjourn this evening, but on occasion occasioned by her, her candidacy.

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For a provincial office, councillor carol quite considerately.

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And I'll explain why it's considered resigned, I think, has resigned from the.

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Police services board, as one of the council representatives there and I.

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Think, as members know, the police services board meets throughout the year and throughout the election period and as you would also know, there are quite a.

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Few issues there right now as we speak, that our sensitive issues that I think.

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Certainly merit full representation from the city, and indeed just even the matter.

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Of making sure we have a good, solid roster of people there over all means.

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That having a vacancy at this point in time is not is not desirable, and so we.

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Had some conversation of this and again councillor carroll wisely.

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Drew to my attention the fact that the board does meet even during the election.

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Period when some of us may be more preoccupied than others.

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And so that, plus a consideration of people who would be good candidates to.

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The board led us leads me to move a seconded by councillor carol and I think.

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A number of you've been consulted on this that we would appoint a counselor.

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Hart to fill the vacancy through the end of the term and he's in a better.

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Position because he he just as much as he wanted to be here for future debates.

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On tree pictures and shredding had committed himself had committed himself.

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Not to run for office and therefore, will not be preoccupied with campaigns in the.

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Fall when others might be, and I think actually no kidding it will be an.

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Important time for the police services board, there will be issues that are ongoing there and so we're putting his name forward, and I apologize for the.

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Fact it was no notice, but I think it's councillor carroll realizing very.

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Considerately as I said that, if we waited until the next meeting, then we.

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You know we wouldn't be able to have the appointment in place to carry on with this work, since she has submitted her resignation. So that's really all I would.

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Have to say other than that, of course I would have complete confidence, as I'm sure we all would that counts there. Hart would do an excellent job and will do an.

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Excellent job at a sensitive time- and I think a number of you can consult it in.

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That regard, thank you. Okay, uh on the on the item on.

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Favor carried yeah, I just one sec. We just have one more motion, so councillor.

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Davis's motion we're just gonna, display it okay, so we don't have to circulate it.

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Okay on the item on favor: it's a report.

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Request carried okay councillor perks. Thank you speaker on a point of.

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Privilege, as as many of you know, some of the members of this council are running.

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For provincial office, most of them will be back for the next meeting, but.

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Councillor carroll will not. This is her last meeting as a member of toronto city.

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Council- and I asked the speaker at the beginning of the meeting- if I could just.

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Say a couple words shelley, my beloved sister, like all of us here, I found my.

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First, couple years of office just absolutely overwhelming, and I was lucky.

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To have you and and kyle there to mentor me and teach me, you know all the.

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Important things about being a city councillor like the the value of.

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Interpretive dance and setting budgets, and so many other things, but I just.

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Wanted to say that if I've, if I do well here, it's because of the lessons you've.

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Taught me a second thing. I just wanted to say that first term I was on the.

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Budget committee with shelley and joe and maria paul kyle, that was the during.

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That term was the global financial crisis and we had the 2008 and 2009.

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Budgets, where, day by day, we were seeing the estimates on things like the cost of.

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Social assistance jumping by thousands of people- and we had no clarity of what.

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Our revenues would be, it was the most frightening thing I've ever had to do as.

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A the official was to serve on that budget committee at that time. As a result, four of us.

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Joe shelly kyle and I all wound up in hospital that year it was unbelievably.

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Stressful, I found myself in the hospital after having two very painful surgeries.

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On the good stuff, those medications you can only get prescribed after painful.

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Surgeries shelly shelly thought she would come to the hospital to try to.

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Help me out a bit, so she brought a dvd of the man who fell to earth.

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Now, for any of you who have ever seen the man who fell to earth, the idea of.

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Watching that, with a lot of morphine and percocet and other things like that in.

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Your body, you will know that is a life altering experience. Shelly has forever.

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Undermined my faith in reality and my ability to cope with it, so thank you for.

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That and the final thing I wanted to say whenever shelly and I have been.

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Discussing some really difficult issue about city building, shelly always talks.

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About how it will affect her three grandchildren and shelly, I just wanted.

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To say that you know having served with you for nearly 12 years now, I'm.

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Confident in saying that the city that eva and tristan and tyson will grow up.

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In will be all the better for the years that you gave as a member of this.

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Council, thank you for all you've done. Oh just a sec marik tory speaker. I feel.

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I should- and I want to as the mayor just really add, to the comments quite.

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Properly made by councillor perks a couple of things I learned in the last.

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Five minutes one. I now know how constant perks got off the rail so quickly.

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Earlier on in his career, and secondly, I think now that I've never seen seeing.

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Shelly carol's signature before she's second to that motion for jim hart's.

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Apartment, you ought to check out that signature gets deeply troubling, but.

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Having said that, I said shelley is this your signature and she said yes, it is.

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Anyway, never mind: can I just say that you know they've been lots of occasions.

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And that's the nature of this place where I've disagreed with shelley or she.

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With me, and it does really matter- we've had differing points of view on issues.

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But I've seen at free ice ed this the other day to her when we were meeting.

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Privately, we had a chance to say a few words to her because we knew she like.

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They wouldn't be back to the police services board and I, of course it was on.

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My recommendation to you that she was put over there as an appointee and I'm.

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Very glad that she was because she she spoke about issues from a perspective.

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That was very useful at a very sensitive time in policing issues and in the.

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Maintenance and restoration of police, community trust and a whole host of.

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Other things, and did it in a way that I think was very important for the city of.

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Toronto and for its elected representatives on the board- and I.

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Thanked her for that- and I thank her publicly for that as well. The second.

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Thing both of the police board and here at city council and, of course, I've only.

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Been here this last three years, but she has stepped up in both cases to take on.

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What, I think is one of the most difficult tasks, along with a number of.

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Others here, which is to work on the budget and she brings her own experience.

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To bear on that, but has worked terribly hard at that and does come here, as was.

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Said the other day at the police services board at that board, I can assure you she's, always read all of the material and while it can become.

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I will admit occasionally frustrating, but she said I just have one more question and you're debating taking your tie at that juncture and doing something.

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With it but but you know, she's read the stuff and she's asking the questions.

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That need to be asked. The final thing I wanted to say just two rows out of a.

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Little story- and it's not quite as interesting as councilor perk story, but.

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It's one that speaks in the same vein. That's a shelley carroll of the that.

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I've come to know really just in the last year. I knew her for many years, but.

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The laws- and that is, we went to the opening of a swimming pool. That was.

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Attached to or to the community center up, but his partner's park is a parkway.

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For us that was called and the love that shelley carroll had in her eyes and in.

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Her very being for the people who were there, who were her people, as I think she.

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Would call them was so evident, it's not the first time. I've seen it, but that day.

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I just remember, and these people were so happy I mean it just shows you again.

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About the role of government and the things we can do that are good. These people were so happy to have this swimming pool and the community center, but that day it was about the pool and her love for people, but also their love.

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For her was quite evident- and you know that's what does come for many years of.

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Services that you get to know the people and they get to know you, I'm just.

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Learning that, but I just want to say shelley, that I wish you well on this.

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Adventure I having been both places and I'm one of the few people here who has. I.

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Think it's still time to change your mind. I think you'd, like it better here.

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Than you well, there you're not going to be big on party discipline. I assure you.

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But having said all that, you know, I hope that you find what you're going to be.

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Doing going forward very fulfilling- and I thank you for your public service here- councillor thompson before you, okay,.

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Thank you very much speaker just briefly, I'm losing an amazing neighbor. I've been.

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Here as long as shelly's been here, we both started. At the same time, I can tell.

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You that, as it's been stated, shelley is tenacious. She is, as the mayor's pointed.

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Out a very studious, very focused person, we've had lots of really good chatter.

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And bantering beside each other and shelley is always putting everything.

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From her desk on my desk, she folds her feet over into my space and I've become.

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Accustomed to that I've become, quite frankly, very fond of her. I think that.

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When I hear her talk about her family and her grandkids and having known her.

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Before they were born and being able to to see them blossom in, in certainly her.

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Eyes and the way she's worked with them and her kids are of mixed race, and we.

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Have been able to both of us as a black torontonian and so on being able to talk.

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About our vision and our views in terms of how we want the city to develop, to.

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Ensure that all of our kids could be accepted and be treated fairly, and so on.

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That's driven us and I know that's driven shelley. I've been able to sort of.

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See that firsthand and the other pretty cool thing is that shelley spends a lot.

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Of time in my ward, she gets a lot of her. Groceries goes to the restaurants, and so.

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On and he comes with her grandkids to play basketball, but seeing her in the.

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Community she is very infectious and the things that I think that I'll remember.

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Most about shelley is just the commitment to public service that you.

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Brought to the table, I know that that will you you know that will basically.

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Stay with you and that will keep you in good stead as you move, move forward and.

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I wish you all the luck in the world I wish sandy was here, though, to to hear.

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This, I hope that you play the tape because of that relationship. I've spent.

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A lot of time with you guys and sandy has always been a strong partner, and I.

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Simply want to say, I'm gonna miss you, my neighbor and I love you so much jelly.

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Carol, thank you so much. Okay, counselor carol. Yes, it's late, it's late! So I don't.

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Want to keep people too long, except to say thank you. I only had one term where.

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I wasn't on the budget there's only one mayor that didn't want me on the budget.

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Committee but the reason I got on the budget committee the first year, the the.

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The very night that I was elected, my mpp in our area at the time david kaplan.

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Said come on come on outside I gotta have a cigarette come with me and and.

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Took me outside of the hubbub of the victory party and said so, what are you.

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Gonna, do you got to tell them what you want to do, and I said I you know I.

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Really didn't think I could pull this off, so I I was afraid to think about it.

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And he said well, then, then, take it easy, we'll talk tomorrow and before we could.

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Talk tomorrow, mayor miller called me and said: okay, I'm.

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Putting it together on the budget committee, I'm sure a woman, I'm short a.

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Person from north york and somebody told me you used to be in banking, and so I.

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Said yeah, I hurried a balance sheet, but can I think about it and I I phoned my.

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Mpp back and said want me to be on the budget committee and as a banker I was.

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Hoping to avoid it at first and he said: do it.

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David kaplan said to me: if you start with budget, you will get to know.

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Everyone, everyone in the public service and through answering their their.

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Questions and needs, you will know all of your councilors faster than some of your.

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Colleagues, 14 new counselors that term and he said you'll, get to know them all.

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More quickly and more richly do it, and- and so I did- I jumped in head first and.

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And despite having been in banking and taken the fundamentals of accounting, jozy still had to walk me through so much of it. But.

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It really is true, and I don't regret any of that extra work, merit or ii, because.

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That that is exactly what happened, and so I made friends in the public service.

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Throughout this council of every political stripe and we've all disagreed.

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On so many things- and we say so- I say about the party government- I may be.

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Going to- and I say about it here, you know if I belong to a party if I belong.

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To this body, I'm not going to abandon it. If I disagree with it, I'm gonna tell it.

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That I disagree with it and I'm gonna try and make it better and- and so that's.

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What I've done in this council chamber? That's what I will do where I'm going. If.

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I'm honored enough to to end up going there and I hope that that people will.

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Remember that you will always have disagreements here and go ahead and say.

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Them, but remember that that you really are you really are each other's.

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Colleagues, never forget that you are each other's colleagues and as much as.

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You might want to kill each other from time to time. It is true. You end up.

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Sitting beside someone for 15 years that sometimes you disagree with and.

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Sometimes you agree with at the end of the day they are lifelong friends, and I.

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Can't thank you all enough. I really can't, because I do leave here.

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Knowing that we will fight and tear our hair out, but I really think that my.

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Grandchildren are in good hands as long as they live in the city of toronto. It.

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Is still the best city in canada? Thank you so much for the experience.

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Thank you members before I ask for.

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Motion to enact the general bills, may I have a motion regarding the.

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Consideration of submissions on zoning bylaw, an official plan amendments.

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Councillor ainsley, you have a motion, I do. Madam speaker, the committee and.

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Council considered submissions and making a decision on zoning bylaws and.

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The official plan amendments favor carrie did we want to invite oh you're.

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Going to okay counselor carol, you have a motion to introduce certain bills. For my.

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Might I do that leave be granted to introduce bills, to 64, to 82, to 84 to.

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95 to 97 to 337 and 339 to 330 341 shall lead biggering the end.

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Kalli be granted to introduce these bills recorded vote.

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Count separate to please motions introduced at general mills, kerosene.

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Alice lee 33 in favor shall these bills be passed and declared as a bylaw.

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Recorded vote cancer council approves a please motion to enact the general bills.

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Carries unanimously 33 in favor count, sir carmichael grub. You have a motion.

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Regarding absentees, yes, that city council excuse the absence of councillor.

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Gary crawford and councillor sarah doucet from the march 26 and 27 2018.

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City council meeting- he was here all those in favor recorded vote was he here.

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I didn't know it was, I really don't remember.

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Come to crew to account, sir george, you councillor mcmahon councillor, want an.

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Counter perks, the motion to excuse.

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Absentee carries unanimously 33 in favor councillor thompson. You have a motion to.

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Introduce the confirming bill, I do speaker that leigh be granted to.

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Introduce a bill to conform to the point of the introduction of this motion. The.

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Sorry, let me do that again, speaker, I'm not sure. What's going on that, lead be granted to introduce a bill to confirm to the point of the.

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Introduction of this motion, the proceedings of city council's meeting 38.

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On march 26, 28 2018 shall we be granted to introduce this bill recorded vote.

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That's right day counts accrue to please councillor. Digiorgio, miss frances, not.

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Sir robinson, please, council, mcmahon councillor pasternak, please, council care.

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Gianna's after she went.

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The motion did rest', the confirming bill carries 33 to zero unanimously yep. We.

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Have one more vote, what's one more vote, shall this bill be passed and declare it.

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As a bylaw recorded, vote counts, accrued zone.

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Counselor pert, so thank you.

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The motion to enact the confirming bylaw carries 32 to 1. Thank you.

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A meeting is adjourned. Thank you to members of council. Thank you to staff.

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Happy sure to everyone.