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City Council, meeting 32, October 4, 2017 - Part 1 of 3 - Morning Session
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A
A
B
B
So
Rob
staff
have
given
me
a
great
set
of
notes
and
they
actually
review
a
ton
of
accomplishments
and
and
I'm
gonna,
be
frank.
I
actually
take
those
accomplishments
for
granted.
I
actually
know
that
in
five
years
of
service
to
the
city
of
Toronto
and
your
many
years
earlier
of
service
to
other
less
worthy
municipalities,
you
you
have
accomplished
in
this
amount
and
you've
given
you've,
given
excellent
excellent
advice
and
and
implemented
policies
at
the
direction
of
Council
I'm,
actually
gonna,
take
it
for
granted.
You've
accomplished
enormous
amount.
B
You
know,
oh
no
again,
I
am
because,
because
I
want
to
set
the
bar
lower
that
you
have
performed
absolutely
magnificently.
This
is
not
always
an
easy
place
to
to
work.
You've
brought
incredible
intelligence
to
to
our
world
policy
insight,
diligence
capacity
to
answer
questions
and
you've
done
it
in
a
way
that
has
been
incredibly
incredibly
graceful
and
one
of
the
things
that
that
we
recognize
all
of
us
in
this
chamber
is
that
we
make
difficult
decisions.
B
We
deal
with
difficult
issues,
we
deal
with
challenging
situations,
and
sometimes
those
challenging
situations
are
challenging
to
us
as
a
group
and
sometimes
they're,
challenging
to
us
individually
and
Rob
I've.
Seen
you
and
I
know
from
experience
that
you
have
dealt
with
all
of
those
with
an
incredible
easy
grace
with
a
sense
of
humor.
B
So
what
we
have
is
is
a
long
and
deep
and
fundamental
list
of
accomplishments,
but
those
are
rooted
in
your
core
values
who
you
are
as
a
person,
your
love
of
your
family
and,
and
we
know
that
you're
not
retiring
to
run
away
from
us.
You
know
that
we
are.
You
are
retiring
to
be
with
your
family,
that
that
intelligence,
in
that
capacity
and
and
frankly,
that
way
of
doing
business.
That
has
just
been
phenomenal.
We're
gonna
recognize
in
that
chamber,
but
but
let
me
let
me
emphasize
just
how
much
I
will
miss
you.
C
Well,
madam
Speaker
I
am
still
overcome
by
the
eye
watching
that
hug.
It's
always
nice
to
see
that,
because
you
know
that
says
it
should
be
between
people
who
are
colleagues
whether
it
be
colleagues
between
and
among
the
elected
representatives
and
public
servants
or
two
of
our
most
senior
public
servants,
but
I'm
still
overcome,
because
that
pales
in
comparison
to
the
gesture
of
affection,
seen
yesterday
between
councilor
perks
and
mr.
Rossini,
but
I
think
it
may
be
that
counts.
Their
perks
was
over
cows.
C
Their
perks
may
have
been
overcome
by
the
fact
that
and
I
was
about
to
say
for
events
that
have
been
held
to
commemorate
mr.
Racine,
his
retirement.
He
actually
corrected
me
before
the
meeting
started
this
morning
to
say
it's
the
seventh
and
this
is
kind
of
I
guess
what
I
would
call
the
holy
week
of
City
Hall
retirements,
I've,
never
I've
been
here
three
years,
I've
never
seen
a
retirement
where
there
were
seven
events
held.
It's
like
the
guy.
That
sort
of
invites
you
to
come
to
his
own
surprise
party.
C
He
says
it's
a
surprise,
but
I
really
hope
you'll
come,
but
I
really
want
to
just
echo
what
what
the
city
manager
said
you
know,
I
have
had
the
opportunity
to
work
alongside
chief
financial
officers
in
big
organizations
and
I
think
you
all
know
that,
along
with
other
senior
executives,
they're
an
absolutely
indispensable
part,
you
have
to
keep
track,
especially
in
the
business
we're
in
where
we're
dealing
with
the
public
funds.
You
have
to
keep
track
of
it.
You
have
to
keep
close
track
of
it,
there's
a
level
of
accountability
quite
properly.
C
This
is
even
higher
here
than
it
is
elsewhere,
and
so
you
know-
and
that
starts
and
stops
with
the
chief
financial
officer,
the
person
and,
of
course,
Rob
had
responsibilities
that
went
beyond
that,
but
I
think
in
the
end
those
responsibilities
were
the
most
important
of
many
that
he
had
and
I
would
just
say
to
echo
what
Peter
said.
Yes,
he
was
competent.
C
He
was
dedicated,
he
was
straightforward,
he
was
professional,
but
he
was
also
easy
to
work
with
pleasant
to
work
with
I
I
sort
of
that
there
was
an
element
that
I
will
be
honest
with
you
I
at
first,
when
I
had
the
kind
of
don't
worry,
be
happy'
answers
that
came
back
sometimes
or
in
the
case
of
councilor
perks.
Don't
worry
as
much
if
you
have
to
be
unhappy,
so
I
think
that
was
kind
of
the
answer,
but
I
I
was
I
was
taken
aback,
but
then
I
realized.
C
That
was
just
you
know,
sort
of
Rob's
nature
and
that
that
that
was
his
nature
to
be
pleasant
and
not
to
get
flustered
by
what
goes
on
around
here,
but
that
that
was
on
top
of
an
incredibly
competent,
dedicated
professional,
diligent
way
in
which
he
did
his
job.
And
so
I
just
want
to
say
on
behalf
I'm
sure,
and
others
may
may
say
a
word
on
their
own
behalf.
But
on
behalf
of
the
City
Council
and
the
people
of
the
City
of
Toronto
and
all
of
the
other
members
of
the
public
service.
C
We
give
these
things
and
it's
it's
all
we
we
can
give
but
I
think
I,
hope
you
understand.
These
kinds
of
things
are
very
meaningful
and
I
hope
you'll
find
a
place
to
put
this
so
that
your
own
family
will,
you
know,
be
aware,
as
I'm
sure
they
were
the
other
night
of
the
high
esteem
in
which
you
are
held
by
us
and
the
fact
we'll
miss
you
and
the
enormous
gratitude
we
have
for
your
contribution
over
these
these
years
and
that
you'll
come
back
and
visit.
Often.
D
So,
after
actually
seven
events
I'm
all
speech,
though
I
really
have
okay,
they
keep
this
short,
but
I
do
want
to
tell
a
little
star.
So
it
was
it.
Yesterday,
the
day
before
I
go
to
Roxanne,
my
wife
went
out
seven
years
we
dated
and
married
31
years,
so
we
were
together
38
years,
so
I
go
to
Roxanne
I
say
so.
Are
you
gonna
come
to
Council
and
she's
humming
and
hawing?
Oh.
D
D
Then
we
have
the
mayor
who's
here
for
three
times
right,
so
you
know
who
really
loves
you
right,
so
so
all
I
have
to
say.
Mr.
arias,
we
got
a
stop
people
gonna
start
to
talking.
This
is
how
rumors
are
started
anyway.
I
do
I
have
no
filter.
Sometimes
you
guys
have
experienced
it
only
when
answering
budget
questions,
so
I
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
in
my
life,
I've
been
blessed
with
great
opportunities,
great
jobs,
but
most
of
all
great
family.
D
My
parents
came
here
in
the
50s
with
not
much
not
knowing
the
language
and
raised
myself
and
my
two
sisters
and
raised
us
the
right
way,
and
because
of
that,
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
I'm
here
and
so
I
want
to
thank
my
family
I
want
to.
Thank,
though
you
guys
actually
I
think
it
was
about
almost
five
years,
because.
F
D
Think
it
went
to
council
sometime
in
around
October
or
November,
where
this
council
appointed
me
as
the
deputy
city
manager,
chief
financial
officer
and
I,
have
to
thank
immense
thanks
to
Joe
Penna
Chetty
for
recruiting
me
here
and
bringing
here
and
and
recommending
myself
to
you
and
also
cam
weld
in
the
previous
CFO,
because
I
remember
having
a
dinner
March
of
2012
and
it
goes
Rob.
You
know,
I'm
retiring
except
cam
and
I
go
way
back
and
he
goes
have
you
ever
thought
about
coming
to
the
City
of
Toronto.
D
My
first
reaction
was
like:
are
you
nuts?
My
wife
would
kill
me
so
that
night
after
dinner,
with
cam
I
go
back
home.
I
talked
to
my
wife
see
this
is
that
this
is
hilarious,
Roxanne,
you're,
gonna
love,
this
cam
says,
would
I
be
interested
in
coming
to
the
City
of
Toronto
and
I
said,
and
she
goes
what.
D
Him
I
said:
are
you
crazy
and
she
goes
well?
Why
not
and
I
thought?
Oh,
my
god
and
then
that's
when
this
whole
kind
of
process
started
so
I
want
to
thank
Council
I
want
to
thank
councillor
Ainsley
councillor
holiday
senior,
who
was
on
my
hiring
committee
of
the
third
interview
and
councillor
Dell,
grant
another
funny
story,
because
I
do
have
to
set
the
record
straight:
councilor,
Aames
Lee,
said
910
years,
but
no
because
I
distinctly
remember
councillor
Del
Grande,
asking
me
this
isn't
an
interview
because
councillor
don't
cry
hi,
I
love!
D
You
I
really
do
because,
because
you
gotta
be
crazy,
you
wanted
to
come
here
to
this
crazy
place
for
nine
or
10
years.
Why
are
you
being
so
crazy
to
come
here
for
nine
or
ten
years,
so
I
looked
at
him
in
mind,
the
way
that
I
do
and
I
said,
counselor,
if
you
think
I'm
coming
here
for
nine
or
ten
years,
you're
crazy,
I
told
him
five
for
the
record.
So
I
want
to
thank.
Thank
all
the
past
chairs
of
government
management
committee.
D
Councillor
Ainsley
councillor
Kelly
councillor
shiner
had
a
little
stint
while
I
was
here
and
then
back
to
councillor
Ainsley.
Thank
you
for
all
the
support
not
just
for
myself,
but
for
our
team
in
cluster
C
and
supporting
of
the
initiatives
that
we
bring
forward.
I
want
to
thank
the
two
Budget
cheeps
that
I've
worked
with
councillor
DiGiorgio
and
councillor
Crawford.
You
guys
were
great,
very
accommodating
and
letting
people
into
the
house
and
yes,
you
could
have
fun
and
be
nice
even
during
budget
debates.
So
thank
you
very
much.
D
You
guys
are
truly
gentlemen
and
of
course,
I
want
to
thank
the
mayor,
and
you
know,
without
our
colleagues
here,
the
deputy
city
managers
and
Peter
and
Joe
P
before
that.
You
know
with
all
the
support
that
everybody's
giving,
but
really
nothing
can
happen
with
without
the
fine
men
and
women.
Thirty,
two
thousand
strong
of
the
Toronto
Public
Service
count.
All
the
agencies
I
think
we're
up
fifty
fifty
two
thousand
FTEs,
but
particularly
my
team.
Without
you
guys
in
cluster,
see
you
know,
I
keep
telling
I
just
be
telling
bad
jokes.
There.
D
I
really
wouldn't
get
much
done
so
I
want
to
thank
all
the
division.
Heads
in
cluster
C
I
want
particularly
particularly
thank
Teresa,
Alex
and
Tiffany
in
my
office,
for
all
the
support
they
organized.
My
life
make
sure
I'm
not
too
late
at
meetings.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
and
god
bless
everybody.
A
Members
of
council,
we
will
not
review
and
confirm
the
order
paper.
There
are
32
items
left
on
the
agenda
and
9
member
motions.
City
Council
has
decided
to
consider
the
following
items
as
our
first
and
second
items
of
business
today,
licensing
and
standards
item
21.1
on
tow
truck
industry
review
and
recommendations
and
executive
committee
item
27
31
on
further
direction
to
the
city
manager
on
the
study
of
the
commuter
parking
crisis
in
Toronto
and
I've
also
reviewed
a
number
of
urchins
to
be
added
to
the
agenda.
A
H
A
J
K
A
F
A
J
I
hope
you
will
indulge
me
with
this.
We
are
holding
Toronto
Fire
Services
operation
recruit
class
2017,
that's
CCD,
twenty
two
point:
twelve
for
two
o'clock
and
I
am
holding
that
was
made
time
specific
I'm
prepared
to
release
that,
but
I
need
to
replace
that
with
Edie
23.7
as
councillor
Thompson
has
asked
that
we
deal
with
that
on
an
urgent
basis.
Today,.
P
A
A
J
I
would
ask
Council
and
I
know
councillor
Freddy
darkus
has
put
that
item
at
two,
but
I
would
ask
that,
with
indulging
of
counsel,
that
that
two
o'clock
item
which
we
took
into
account
for
that
would
be
replaced
with
Edie
23.7,
okay,
I'm,
putting
it
in
for
two
o'clock
time
you,
okay
on
favor.
Thank
you
thank
you
feel
free
to
use.
It
should.
C
Yes,
madam
Speaker,
with
the
briefest
of
comment
I'd
like
to
release
te
26-point
on
page
six,
te
26.67
and
te
26
point
six.
Eight.
The
comment
is
only
to
say
that
I'm
going
to
be
taking
up
with
the
people
I
meet
with
that
the
road
closure
Coordination
Committee,
this
extension
of
these
permits,
because
I
think
we
can't
get
into
the
habit
of
having
them
extended
long.
But
in
the
case
of
these
two,
which
are
seeking
extensions,
quite
lengthy,
they
don't
close
a
lane
of
traffic.
They
narrowed
the
lanes
and
so
I
think
we
can.
A
A
A
J
You,
madam
Speaker,
good
morning,
everybody
on
page
5,
NY.
Twenty
four
point:
four
two
I
have
a
motion.
The
City
Council
deny
the
request
for
the
to
permit
the
removal
of
one
private
tree.
This
is
to
support
the
staff
recommendation
and
the
local
councillors
asked
me
to
do
a
recorded
vote
on
this
one.
Please.
R
H
H
H
Very
much
madam
Speaker,
on
page
7
mm
32.2,
to
request
for
a
report
on
the
hours
of
operation
and
maintenance
of
privately
owned
public
spaces.
I've
had
a
chance
to
speak
to
our
acting
chief
planner
as
well
as
councilor,
mallow,
councilor,
Grimes
and
councilor
DT.
No
we're
all
good
ready
to
release
that.
J
M
N
N
A
E
J
A
A
A
A
F
But
I
noticed
that
the
recommendation
changed
between
your
report
and
the
committee
in
coming
to
Council
and
I
wondered
if
you
could
just
provide
comment
or
some
explanation
on
the
policy
rationale
to
what
you
had
mentioned
in
your
report
and
any
thoughts
on
where
the
committee
has
changed.
That
or
any
rationale
why
the
committee
has
changed
that.
K
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
initially
we
felt
that
that
initial
five
kilometers
may
be
reasonably
reflected
in
the
revised
rate
that
we
proposed.
That
was
also
when
we're
considering
a
range
of
rates
for
the
accident
tow
proper
during
committee.
We
heard
deputations
and
I
think
some
very
fair
comment
about
them:
the
industry
having
to
absorb
that
five
kilometer,
that
it
ought
to
start
once,
if
only
in
the
cases
where
they
are
towing
not
to
a
CRC
but
outside
of
the
city.
E
K
Continues
through
you,
madam
speaker,
so
at
committee,
it
was
in
recognition
of
the
deputations
asserting
that,
where
the
the
regulated
rate
for
the
City
of
Toronto
they're,
taking
it
beyond
the
boundaries
that
really
that
kilometers
rate
ought
to
start
at
the
boundary
of
the
city
that
five
kilometers
with
somewhat
arbitrary.
Oh.
F
O
You
mam
speaker,
yes,
I
do
and
miss
cook
and
during
their
deputations
the
committee
there
were
a
number
of
submissions
and
from
the
industry,
as
well
as
from
the
public,
in
terms
of
with
some
additional
recommendations
we're
in
the
wisdom
of
the
committee.
Those
will
refer
to
you
for
you
to
review
and
to
report
to
City
Council
with
the
supplementary
report,
if
needed.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
going
through,
and
so
we
have
set
of
recommendations
within
the
supplementary.
That
is
an
add-on
to
the
original
recommendations
and
do
you
to
elaborate
on
that.
K
So
through
you,
madam
speaker,
we
were
asked
to
go
back
and
review
the
various
rates
that
we
had
put
forward,
including
the
amount
of
the
recovery
rate,
considering
any
waiting
time
that
may
occur
prior
to
a
tow-truck
entering
the
CRC,
as
well
as
a
number
of
other
items.
We
did
report
back
on
our
findings
through
the
supplementary
we're,
including
on
the
private
property
toes
as
well.
K
So
the
supplementary
report
does
provide
a
couple
of
additional
recommendations
or
amendments
dealing
with
a
dealing
with
the
rate
on
private
property
to
ensure
that
it
aligns
with
the
Toronto
Police
Service
contracted
toe
rates,
which
are
subject
to
a
competitive
process
and
felt
that
that
was
a
a
good
standard
to
adhere
to
we've.
Also
added
some
clarifying
language
around
the
insurance
provisions
in
the
bylaw
just
to
ensure
that
they
allow,
with
the
provincial,
the
provincial
statute,
the
other
items
around
recovery
rate.
K
O
O
Yesterday
we
had
a
lengthy
discussion
with
your
staff
and
with
other
interested
members
of
council,
including
the
mayor's
office,
to
bring
some
different
language
today
to
the
whole
thing,
and
so
would
you
be
kind
to
speak
on
the
on
those
change
to
that
recommendation
and
how
simple
that's
going
to
be?
Certainly.
K
So
currently,
art
and
historically
our
tow
truck
by
law,
has
not
prescribed
a
minimum
weight
for
the
tow
truck
vehicle
itself.
We
did
hear
through
the
the
consultations
concerns
raised
by
the
Toronto
Police
Service
to
you
know,
the
tow
trucks
need
to
be
appropriately
sized
for
the
type
of
vehicle
it's
towing
and
the
service
is
providing.
K
So
that
does
vary
our
initial
report,
aligned
with
the
Toronto
Police
Service
contract
and
their
requirement
for
minimum
TRO
truck
vehicle
weights,
as
well
as
those
weights
that
are
reflected
in
other
municipalities,
though
we
have
some
unique
situations
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
notably
private
parking
toes
out
of
underground
garages.
Where
that
you
know
the
input
we
received
and
additionally
through
the
letters
from
the
industry
that
came
to
council,
that
that
may
preclude
a
certain
segment
of
the
tow
truck
industry
from
providing
those
services.
K
So
we're
recommending
that
we
amend
that
recommendation
simply
to
state
instead
of
imposing
a
minimum
vehicle
weight
for
the
tow
truck
itself,
that
we
have
an
amendment
that
requires
that
the
tow
truck
be
the
appropriately
sized
tow
truck
for
the
type
of
vehicle
that
it
is
towing.
In
the
circumstance,
so
we
feel
that
that
will
accomplish
the
goal.
Instead
of
imposing
a
minimum
weight
requirement
on
the
tow
truck
itself
and.
O
That
would
reflect
the
the
discussion
that
took
place
at
the
provincial
level
as
well.
They
told
the
tow
truck
industry
review
where
they
didn't
touch
that
aspect
in
terms
of
weight
and
I'm,
referring
to
the
250
taught
trucks,
the
smaller
ones.
That
will
allow
accessibility
to
places
that
are
very
congested
like
underground
garages,
automation
or
places
like
with
substandard
language,
for
example,
that
so
that
will
clarify
that
aspect.
So.
K
O
My
last
question:
in
terms
of
them
the
second
recommendation
that
was
talked
about
yesterday
and
it
has
to
do
with
the
harmonization
of
rates
between
accident,
highway
tolls
and
travel
tones
as
well.
You
are
recommending
$250
and
that's
the
main
recommendation
we've
seen
within
the
report,
but
for
you
to
look
into
it
once
again
to
consult
with
the
industry
and
come
back
in
years
time
with
after
we
do
some
shaking,
perhaps
so
with
other
jurisdictions.
So.
K
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
certainly
the
issue
of
the
regulated
toll
rate
in
the
event
of
accident,
tows
and
private
property.
Tows
has
been
one
of
the
bigger
issues
for
the
tow
truck
industry.
The
last
time
the
City
Council
amended.
Those
rates
was
in
2006,
so
we
undertook
a
significant
amount
of
consultation
and
naturally,
we
heard
from
participants
in
the
industry
who
would
like
a
higher
rate.
K
In
that
range,
we
landed
on
proposing
a
$250
for
accident
toe
rate
harmonizing
what
we
currently
have
between
a
city
street
and
a
highway
to
one
rate,
because
it's
the
same
risk
for
the
industry.
We
applied
inflationary,
increased
plus
to
arrive
at
the
250.
It
is
certainly
something
I
think
that's
worthy
of
ongoing
dialogue
with
the
industry
as
we
continue
to
be
involved
in
the
regulating
of
this
particular
rate.
T
You,
madam
chair,
through
you
to
staff
good
morning
a
very
quick
question:
I've
been
getting
some
concerns
from
the
toy
industry
that,
with
some
changes
that
we're
making
tow
vehicles
I
mean
the
tow
truck
operators
will
not
be
able
to
go
underneath
in
buildings
like
apartments
and
low
rises
for
them
to
be
able
to
give
a
boost
to
to
to
to
toll
cars.
You
know
one
of
operations
was
telling
me
that
if
something
were
to
happen
at
City,
Hall
we'll
have
to
push
the
car
and
then
we'll
have
to
be
winched
up.
K
So
through
you,
madam
Speaker
councillor,
Kerry
Janice,
we
did
just
actually
discuss
that
issue.
It
was
raised
by
the
industry
and
I
believe
there
may
be
some
amendment
coming
in
respect
to
that
recommendation.
So
we
will
not
be.
We
will
not
be
suggesting
a
minimum
gross
vehicle
weight
for
the
tow
truck
itself,
but
rather
requirement
that
the
truck
used
is
appropriately
sized
for
the
work
that
it's
doing
and
that
should
alleviate
the
issue
of
the
smaller
trucks
to
deal
with
our
dense
urban
environment.
So.
T
Are
we
going
to
have
let's
say
a
certain
amount
of
the
smaller
trucks
to
be
able
to
get
underneath
or
we're
gonna
designate
areas
where
a
smaller
truck
operators
can
and
work
out
like
downtown
mind
you
there's
no
more
downtown
if
everybody
has
high-rises
now,
are
we
gonna
be
taking
that
into
account
like
that?
There's
gonna
be
a
number
that
we're
going
to
work
in
with
the
industry.
Stakeholders
meetings
like
I
mean
I'm
sure
that
you've
talked
to
them.
Can
you
elaborate
a
little
bit
on
that?
Please.
K
So
through
you,
madam
Speaker,
we
certainly
are
not
going
to
be
getting
into
the
business
of
regulating
the
wire
to
what
trucks
go,
where
the
amendment
that
we're
making
is
simply
that
the
the
tow
truck
that's
being
used
needs
to
be
appropriately
sized
for
the
work
that
it
is
doing
mostly
focused
on.
We
don't
want
a
very
undersized
tow
truck
pulling
a
vehicle
that's
far
beyond
its
maximum
weight
capacity.
That's
really
the
intent
there.
T
K
T
K
Sir,
you,
madam
Speaker,
certainly
when
we
did
make
the
initial
recommendation
to
impose
a
minimum
vehicle
weight
on
the
tow
truck
vehicle
itself.
It
was
to
address
those
safety
concerns
that
may
arise
and
have
arisen
where
a
tow
truck
that's
too
small
for
the
vehicle.
It's
towing
can
cause
a
safety
issue,
so
the
amendment
that
I
think
we're
seeking
is
going
to
address
that
to
ensure
that
the
vehicle
the
tow
truck
vehicle
used
is
appropriately
sized
for
the
work
that
it's
doing
and
we
feel
confident
that
that
will
address
those
safety
concerns.
Thank
you.
I
Just
a
quick
question
with
respect
to
to
consumer
protections,
I
note
that
that
in
the
report,
and
certainly
in
your
presentation
committee,
the
our
what
what
what
role
we're
taking
in
consumer
protection
has
really
only
to
do
with
with
things
associated
with
the
fees.
Its
are.
We
in
the
regulatory
regime
not
allowed
to
to
have
other
consumer
protections.
K
So
your
madam
Speaker,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Counselor
Carol
I
know
that
the
conversation
typically
seems
to
revolve
around
the
rates,
but
that's
actually
a
smaller
component
of
the
entire
regulatory
regime.
We
have
a
number
of
the
recommendations
you
have
in
front
of.
You
are
exactly
for
those
things.
We've
aligned
some
of
our
recommendations
with
the
amendments
that
the
province
is
made
to
the
Consumer
Protection
Act,
and
the
repairs
and
lien
storage
act
as
well.
K
One
notable
change
that
we're
adding
into
our
bylaw
reflects
that
consumer
protection
issue
is
the
consent
to
tow
that
a
written
authorization
for
towing
must
be
obtained
from
the
consumer
or
the
customer,
and
the
tow
truck
operator
must
provide
it.
So
there
are
actually
a
number
of
consumer
protection
items
that
we
are
embedding
so.
I
Is
there
an
appeal
mechanism
and
I'm
not
talking
about
all
tow
truck
drivers?
I'm
gonna
make
that
very
clear
I'm
not
talking
about
all,
but
in
those
situations
where
it's
really
not
until
the
whole
thing
was
is
over
that
you
begin
to
realize.
I
ended
up
not
at
the
center.
My
insurance
company
recommended
I
took
the
tow
truck
drivers
word
for
it,
and
now
I
have
a
strong
suspicion
that
the
garage
I
ended
up
at
in
the
tow
truck
driver
or
in
fact,
in
some
sort
of
collusion
and
I.
I
K
Three,
madam
Speaker,
certainly
councillor
Carol.
It
would
depend
on
the
circumstances.
We
do
have
a
number
of
provisions
in
our
bylaw
that
do
give
us
enforcement
powers
around
the
consent
to
tow,
which
we
are
embedding,
as
well
as
as
their
mechanism.
So,
depending
on
the
situation,
what
happens?
It
may
be
municipally
enforceable
by
us.
If
it's
an
issue
of
fraud,
then
that
would
be
a
recommendation
to
the
Toronto
Police
Service.
K
If
a
member
through
you,
madam
Speaker,
for
a
member
of
the
public,
has
an
issue
with
a
tow-truck
operation,
we
we
are
one
of
those
lines
of
defense
with
the
regulations
to
the
extent
that
we
are
involved
in
regulating
those
the
provisions
that
we
have
to
enforce.
If
there's
activity,
that
is
what
is
tipping
into
potentially
criminal
conduct,
then
the
Toronto
Police
Service
would
do
that.
I
can
share
that
the
province
did
undertake
a
large
anti-fraud
Task
Force
initiative,
and
out
of
that
came
many
of
these
amendments
to
consumer
protection
legislation
as
well.
I
And
in
your
in
your
work
in
preparing
this,
the
this
update
to
our
role
in
the
regulatory
framework
in
preparing
this
update,
did
you
have
a
chance?
You
had
a
chance
to
scan
so
that
we
know
that
that
is
not
the
norm.
That
is
a
that
is
an
occasional
but
not
the
norm
in
terms
of
services
going
on
in
the
city
now,.
I
I'm
wondering
if,
in
scanning
the
industry
to
develop
to
develop
the
updated
framework
here
with
respect
to
fees
and
tightening
up
on
some
of
the
rules,
was
there
any
sort
of
investigation
to
to
ensure
that
by
and
large
what
we
are
regulating
a
are
really
by
and
large
good
practices
and
we're
just
updating
them
here?
Was
there
any
look
to
make
sure
that
that
we
don't
have
a
rampant
problem
of
tow
truck
garage
collusion
and
and
and
vaguely
vaguely
criminal
activity?
It's
not
the
norm.
Great.
K
So
through
you,
madam
Speaker,
yes,
we
we
do
do
a
jurisdictional
scan.
All
the
municipalities
around
us
about
14
municipalities
and
around
the
gchat
around
Toronto
do
licence
we've
looked
at
what
they
do.
I
would
I
would
say
that,
with
these
amendments,
we're
actually
going
to
be
the
leader
as
far
as
the
consumer
protection
provisions
within
our
meanness
by
law,
as
we've
taken
direct
approach
that
we
are
embedding
the
consumer
protection
related
changes
as
we
can.
That
was
similarly
to
what
was
done.
Provincially.
We
do
look
at
the
our
enforcement
history.
K
One
of
our
biggest
enforcement
challenges
is
overcharging
or
sorry.
Enforcement
complaints
is
overcharging,
but
we
did
do
quite
extensive
consultation
and
I.
Think
we've
got
a
nice
balance
of
recommendations
here
to
shore
up
some
consumer
protection
opportunities.
At
the
same
time,
being
fair
to
the
the
towtruck
industry
itself.
Excellent.
C
N
K
You,
madam
Speaker,
absolutely
sir.
We
did
given
the
direction
from
from
committee
and
I
believe
that
was
yours.
Specifically,
we
did
recognize
it's
a
challenge
and
how
to
quantify
what
the
amount,
how
you
would
calculate
that
amount
on
the
road.
If
you
do
it
by
time,
if
you
do
it
by
type
of
equipment,
a
lot
of
thought
went
into
it
in
the
in
the
first
instance.
So
we
landed
at
the
hundred
dollars
is
generally
around
where
other
municipalities
are
I.
K
Think
that's
something
that,
as
we
continue
forward
with
the
industry,
that
we
continue
to
monitor
and
determine
if
there
are
additional
provisions
or
considerations
that
need
to
be
put
in
place.
But
it's
a
very
difficult
piece
of
the
work
to
to
hive
off
and
create
a
calculation
for
it
that
consumers
would
understand.
So
we
did
look
at
it,
but
we're
not
recommending
a
change
at
this
point
at.
S
Thank
you
speaker
through
you
to
the
miss
cook
effectively
and
underscoring
what
you're
proposing,
because
it's
as
I
understand
it.
I've
not
had
a
lot
of
experience
with
the
tow
truck
industry,
which
is
great
I'm,
happy
about
that
catch
with
ESS.
There's
a
there's
a
distance
issue
now.
So,
if
you
go
far
distance
you're
paying
a
distance
charges
that
what
we
see
currently
and
are
you
now
moving
to
change
that
you
having
a
flat
fee?
S
K
Through
you,
madam
Speaker
Thank
You
councillor
Thompson,
it
gives
me
the
chance
to
clarify
the
rate
that
we
are
regulating
is
only
rates
related
to
accident,
tows
and
private
property.
If
your
battery
dies
your
car
breaks
down
other
than
an
accident,
that
is
not
a
regulated
rate
by
the
city,
that
is
an
industry
rate,
so
the
rates
we
have
here
currently
and
for
the
last
number
of
years
at
least
11
years,
the
tow
truck
industry
has
had
a
$166
and
$188
accident
tow
rate
for
City
Road
Highway.
K
What
we're
proposing
is
250,
irrespective
of
which
type
of
roadway
they're
on
then,
if
and
that's
to
cover
from
the
accident
scene,
to
the
collision,
Reporting
Center
in
those
instances
where
the
collision
reporting
center
is
not
closed
or
the
police
investigate
on
scene
and
the
vehicle
needs
to
be
taken
beyond
or
would
like
to
be
taken
beyond
the
city
boundary.
It's
the
250
and
then
plus
that
kilometer.
K
A
K
So,
just
for
clarity,
so
the
two
rates
we
regulate
private
property
and
accident
tow
the
most
applicable
to
your
question-
is
the
accident
tow.
It's
$250
to
the
CRC
flat
rate,
not
dissimilar
to
what
we've
been
charging
as
different
flat
rates
for
the
last
number
of
years,
or
allowed
them
to
charge
for
the
last
number
of
years.
K
There
is,
in
addition,
a
per
kilometer
rate
should
the
tow
truck
operator
be
directed
outside
of
the
City
of
Toronto
and
we're
proposing
that
at
three
dollars
and
25
cents
per
kilometre
starts
at
the
boundary
until
the
customers
final
destination.
So
those
are
the
only
rates
that
we're
regulating
a
regular
breakdown
of
a
vehicle
is
not
a
regulated
rate
by
the
city.
So
can.
S
I
just
ask
you
maybe
to
expand-
and
you
said
I
think
your
words
were.
Should
the
tow
truck
operator
be
directed,
so
there
is
a
direction
I
presume
that
would
come
from,
but
customer.
But
what
happens
in
this
particular
case
where
a
tow
truck
operator
or
not
it's
been
told
to
me
I
not
had
the
experience
says
well,
you
know
I
think
the
best
place
to
take
your
car
to
a
place,
which
is
quite
some
distance,
and
maybe
it's
a
little
bit
out
of
the
city.
How
is
that
then
treated
I
mean?
S
K
You,
madam
Speaker,
that
was
at
the
crux
of
some
of
the
Consumer
Protection
Act
changes
that
the
province
made
and
that
we
have
mirrored
in
our
bylaw
to
ensure
that
there
is
a
written
authorization
from
the
owner
of
the
vehicle
to
with
the
tow
truck
operator
that
the
vehicle
is
to
be
taken
to
the
destination
of
the
customer's.
Choosing
is
also
a
requirement
if
the
tow
truck
operator
has
an
a
relationship
with
a
garage
or
whatnot
that
must
be
disclosed.
All.
S
K
A
O
Thank
you,
ma'am
SP
came
and
I
would
like
to
move.
First
name
stops.
Recommendations
on
the
main
report
also
I'd
like
to
move
the
additional
recommendations
and
data
before
us.
Nora
taught
us
LS
21.1
a
as
well
as
I
would
like
to
move
is
two
recommendations
and
the
first
one
they're
okay
they're
on
screen.
The
first
one
is
that
to
delete
a
recommendation.
O
Madam
chair
members,
council,
first
and
foremost,
I,
want
to
thank
city
staff
for
the
missing
word
that
they
had
done
on
this
survive
and
for
their
well
thought-out
recommendations
that
you
have
put
together.
Also
I
want
to
thank
members
of
the
committee
for
asking
tough
questions
for
coming
up
with
meaningful
recommendations,
as
well
as
I
want
to
take
the
industry
for
their
input.
I
think
that
moving
forward
and
we
have
a
good
framework
in
terms
of
serving
the
not
only
the
industry
but
the
public.
O
We
do
have
a
lengthy
debate
of
the
licensing
standards
committee
and
in
there
were
a
number
of
recommendations
and
submissions.
Another
point
in
the
wisdom
of
the
committee.
It
was
decided
that
that
city
staff
should
look
at
those
recommendations,
should
look
at
those
submissions
and
report
back
to
City
Council
directly.
If
there
is
made
on
those
recommendations
which
they
did
and
that's
the
recommendations
that
we
have
supplementary
so
is
to
avoid
a
lengthy
debate
today
on
this
subject.
O
There
was
a
lot
of
work
yesterday
and
including
this
morning
with
interested
members
of
council
with
city
staff,
including
the
mayor's
office,
to
try
to
put
a
package
together.
That's
going
to
serve
the
industry
in
terms
of
financial
viability,
moving
forward,
as
well
as
to
the
public
in
terms
of
consumer
protection.
O
Don't
start
a
keep
the
key
factors
in
terms
of
creating
a
fair
balance
all
throughout
so
the
recommendations
that
are
putting
forward
point
within
the
framework
of
those
of
what's
been
done,
not
only
within
the
committee
within
city
staff,
but
building
up
on
what
the
province
in
the
review
that
tracking
industry,
they
decided
that
the
minimum
truck
weight
should
be
shouldn't,
be
more
than
six
thousand
pounds,
and
that's
where
this
model
traction
I
understand.
There
are
about
250
trucks
out
in
the
road,
and
that
was
one
of
the
key
objections
from
the
industry
is
either.
O
If
the
new
regulations
are
going
to
implement
it
most
of
them,
they
are
going
to
be
put
on
tenth
Street.
They
are
going
to
be
unemployed,
they
are
going
to
lose
those
250
trucks
and
that's
totally.
It
was,
in
my
opinion,
totally
wrong.
So
we
have
to
take
a
second
look
at
it
and
to
see
what
needs
to
be
done
so,
especially
when
we
have
congested
spaces
like
language.
O
We
have
apartment
buildings
in
the
downtown
in
all
over
the
city
when
we
need
these
small
trucks
and
I
feel
the
pressure
recommendation
that
I'm
putting
forward
deals
with
that,
because
that
gives
back
the
power
back
to
the
industry.
They
know
better
than
anyone
else.
What
tools
are
they
need
to
be
functional
in
the
world?
So
that's
the
first
recommendation.
O
T
T
Want
to
thank
the
staff
for
the
report,
and
certainly
I,
was
very
pleased
to
hear
today
that
there
will
be
an
opportunity
for
the
smaller
trucks
to
be
able
to
work
underground
in
apartment
buildings.
And
for
that
I
will
be
supporting
recommendations
and
looking
forward
to
to
see
how
the
work
and
how
will
process
forward.
We
can
I
take
30
seconds
to
just
introduce
my
kids.
A
T
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker
I'd
like
to
welcome
saint
sylvester
school
under
the
leadership
of
principal
roy
fernandez.
That's
done
a
a
couple
of
stints
in
that
school.
I
want
to
thank
the
teacher
bob
stoner
and
brian
Mellie,
and
also
we
have
a
parent
with
them.
Mariah
Mundi
akka,
and
what
they're
doing
is
a
very
interesting
program
which
is
called
beyond
the
classroom,
is
their
second
year
that
they're
doing
it
and
they're
going
to
Queens,
Park
and
they're
coming
down
here
to
see
how
government
operates
so
st.
A
J
A
A
G
A
G
Okay,
when,
when
commuter
parking
and
our
transit
system,
I
don't
know
who
would
this
go
to
the
city
manager's
fine,
when,
when
we
put
in
commuter
parking
two
generations
ago
in
the
inner
suburbs
I,
would
it
be
safe
to
say
that
this
was
because
of
geographical
distance
accommodating
seniors
and
the
disabled
young
families,
the
ability
to
drop
your
kids
off
at
school,
your
spouse
at
work
and
then
park
and
then
take
the
subway
at
downtown?
Would
those
be
some
of
the
core
reasons
for
having
commuter
parking,
I
believe.
L
G
The
number
of
seniors
has
gone
up,
the
number
of
disabled
have
gone
up,
the
number
of
young
families
have
gone
up.
Geographical
distances
between
home
and
subway
stations
are
basically
the
same.
This
is
all
remain
static
or
more
acute.
Yet
what
would
be
the
logic
and
removing
commuter
parking
lot
if
this?
If
the
original
rationale
for
having
them
exist
or
a
more
acute.
L
G
Many
many
of
the
suburbs
are
built
on
a
grid
pattern.
I
bring
Bathurst
Manor
to
your
attention,
where
the
walk
to
even
even
a
bus,
stop
maybe
15
20
minutes
and
then
maybe
another
10
minutes
or
to
wait
for
a
bus
and
then
now
more
than
a
generation
ago,
parents
are
taking
their
kids
to
school.
Do
you
think
it's
it's
realistic
that
someone
would
would
have
to
walk
15
20
minutes
to
a
bus,
stop
wait,
10
minutes
for
a
bus,
take
a
bus
to
the
local
public
school
and
then
somehow
get
to
the
subway
station.
L
Through
the
speaker
are
one
of
our
key
goals
right
now,
and
this
is
reflected
in
the
growth
plan
as
well
as
in
city
official
plan
policies,
is
to
increase
development
related
to
transit,
around
transit
stations,
to
make
things
more
accessible,
transit,
more
accessible
for
more
people.
Certainly,
there
are
some
challenges
in
terms
of
the
development
pattern
in
some
of
the
outer
outer
parts
of
the
city,
but
again
through
changes
to
TTC
service
as
well.
We
are
working
on
ways
to
improve
access
for
people
and
in
all
of
the
stations.
L
Through
the
speaker,
I
think
it
is,
it
is
you
you
are
probably
right
and
that
in
stating
that
that
conditions
are
different
in
the
outer
parts
of
the
city
as
compared
to
the
the
downtown
core.
That's
why
part
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
in
through
the
growth
plan
and
the
official
plan
is
to
to
start
to
transform
the
development
that
we
see
around
the
existing
and
indeed
the
new
transit
lines
that
were
building
so.
G
L
G
Many
of
argue
today
or
as
this
debate
intensifies,
that
the
decisions
been
made
it
was
made
in
2009.
Let's
stick
with
the
decision.
There's
no
point
in
revisit
last
question
now,
based
based
on
the
logic
of
a
decision
made
back
in
the
60s
and
70s.
Can
we
does
it
make
sense
to
not
not
revisit
a
decision
now,
because
the
decision
was
made
in
2009,
but
in
2009
it
was
okay
to
revisit
a
decision
made
in
the
70s.
L
Through
the
speaker,
the
decision
made
in
2009
as
I
understand
it
connected
to
the
decision
about
the
extension
of
the
subway
and
was
also
based
on
the
desire
to
change
the
nature
of
development
around
the
subway
system.
As
we
are
investing
in
our
system,
we're
trying
to
change
how
development
happens
around
and
have
a
much
different
pattern
of
development
that
supports
rapid
transit
in
in
the
area.
R
That
work
is
already
underway
correct
and
when
does
that
work
due
to
be
completed
before
the
end
of
the
year
before
the
end
of
the
year,
so
I'm
not
sure
who
this
question
would
go
to.
Maybe
the
city
manager,
I
suppose
if
we
directed
that
a
consultation
take
place
on
this
station
with
a
rather,
we
would
have
to
organize
it.
Then
we'd
have
to
have
a
report
come
back
to
committee.
When
do
you
think
that
report
could
get
back
to
a
committee?
I
assume.
B
R
R
Does
so
here
we
are
I'm
forgetting
the
date
today.
It's
October
4th
a
couple
months
from
now
is
October
November
December
4th
how
many
days
of
construction
wouldn't
be
left.
How
many
days
of
closure
would
be
left
by
the
time
we
got
the
advice
on
the
consultation,
a
matter
of
weeks,
a
matter
of
weeks.
Thank
you
very
much.
N
Yes,
I
am
Madame's
speaker,
Deputy
Speaker
in
in
a
topical
lakeshore.
The
Kipling
subway
station
is
the
end
of
the
line
and
for
many
many
years
commuters
from
the
last
Mississauga
Brampton
Vaughan,
they
were
coming
into
tobu
Co
parking,
their
cars
and
getting
on
the
subway.
Now
we
continue
to
sell
all
these
assets
and
I'm
told
that
there's
a
plan
but
I
don't
see
the
plank.
L
N
R
R
I
I
Absolute
DG
annum,
I'm
gonna
caution,
I'm,
not
gonna,
rule
I'm,
gonna
caution,
you
when
you
say
what
do
we
do
you're
referring
to?
How
do
people
get
to
a
commuter
parking?
That
is
not
in
fact
slated
for
closure.
If
you
could
confine
your
remarks
to
what
would
people
do
in
the
area
of
the
parking
lot?
That
is
in
fact
slated
for
closure.
We
will
stay
in
order.
I
F
You,
madam
Deputy
Speaker
I,
very
clearly
see
the
words
other
points
of
entry
in
recommendation
number
one
and,
in
my
conversation
with
councillor
Pasternak
back
in
July,
that
was
added
to
very
specifically
encompass
all
subway
stations
on
the
line
and
the
commonality
of
parking
issues
that
would
include,
for
instance,
the
Kipling
or
the
Islington
subway
station
in
the
West
End.
So
I
I
am
of
the
firm
belief
that
this
report
speaks
to
greater
issues
than
simply
just
Wilson
and
I
do
believe
that
the
councillors
questions
are.
I
N
My
question,
then,
is
going
to
be
if
Wilson
is
to
be
closed
or
any
other
commuter
parking
lot
is
to
be
closed.
Is
there
a
plan
to
accommodate
the
people
that
are
accessing
public
transit
by
way
of
their
vehicle?
Is
there
a
plan
other
than
to
say
we're
working
on
other
transit
options
within
the
region,
because
I'll
be
dead
when
those
are
when
those
are
done?
So,
what's
the
plan.
P
But
we're
talking
about
Wilson
stations,
specifically
the
plan
law,
was
and
still
is,
the
additional
parking
that
was
provided
as
part
of
the
line,
one
subway
extension
up
into
Vaughan.
When
is
that
gonna
happen?
So
as
of
December
17th,
when
that
extension
opens
and
the
parking
lots
open
that
additional
parking
capacity
will
be
made
of
a
and
is.
P
P
N
P
N
And
that
strategy,
why
is
that
strategy
now
utilized
in
tobu
golf?
Why
are
we
just
closing
down?
Why
are
we
just
know?
It's
a
good
strategy,
so
I,
don't
know
why
we're
not
doing
that.
Why
we're
just
closing
them
down
in
other
parts
of
the
city
where
the
line
ends,
if
you're,
if
you're
able
to
justify
it
that
way,
what's
the
justification
on
the
other
side
of
the
city
for
closing
them
without
any
future,
subway.
N
N
M
Speaker
I'd,
like
some
some
clarification
about
the
topic
that
we're
just
because
you've
defined
it,
as
only
concerning
the
Wilson.
The
permanent
closure
of
the
Wilson
commuter
parking
lot,
but
the
title
of
e^x
27.3.
One
is
further
direction
to
the
city
manager
on
the
study
of
commuter
parking
crisis
in
Toronto,
which
which
would
lead
me
to
believe
that
it.
I
I,
thank
you
for
raising
this
point
of
order
because
well
I
did
caution.
Councillor
D
Chan.
Oh,
he
continued
to
go
beyond
in
any
case
since
that
time.
I.
Thank
you
for
raising
this
because
the
clerk
has
shared
with
me.
The
original
motion
and
the
follow-on
of
this
item.
I
hadn't
gone
back
that
far
in
my
review
of
the
agenda.
So
I
will
allow
a
little
bit
of
talking
about
the
and
other
points,
but
but
I
will
remind
you
that
it
is
in
fact
Wednesday
I'm.
M
That's
fine!
Thank
you,
okay,
so
let
me
let
me
ask
actually
I'll
ask
the
the
first
question
is
in
regard
to
the
Wilson
station,
so
I'll
stay
on
topic
for
a
moment,
and
so
it
says
in
the
in
the
in
the
summary
that
it's
the
permanent
closure
of
this
of
the
station
so
that
there
all
of
the
parking
at
the
Wilson
station,
I
gather,
is
gone
and
they're
looking
to
absorb
the
overflow
at
Yorkdale.
Is
that
correct.
P
M
M
So
so
bill
Toronto
was
given
no
direction
when
selling
the
property
to
preserve
Camilla,
as
we
sometimes
do
with
you
know,
rental
housing.
Well,
they
didn't
they
didn't
care
about
commuter
parking.
Okay.
How
many
do
we?
Could
you
tell
this
mister
board?
Where
could
you
tell
this
council
how
many
commuter
spots
have
been
lost
in
the
last
three
or
four
years
or
where
they've
been
lost
because
I
know
they've
been
lost
at
Islington
and
now
at
Wilson.
M
F
I'm
going
to
jump
in
if
I
could
madam
Speaker,
but
it's
the
one
thing
that's
been
missing
in
this
debate-
is
the
discussion
about
our
official
plan.
Our
official
plan
sets
out
policies
that
dictate
the
way
that
we
developed
the
city
and
included
in
that
is
the
questions
of
mobility
and
the
objects
of
increasing
mobility
for
wide
variety
people.
It
doesn't
specifically
zero
in
on
commuter
versus
commuter
parking,
lessen,
get
that
granular,
but
I.
Don't
think
it's
any
secret
to
this
council
that
we're
encouraging
the
redevelopment
of
the
city
we're
encouraging
redevelopment
around
subway
stations.
F
We
are
increasing
our
efforts
to
increase
the
transit
modal
split
and
have
more
people
using
transit,
more
people
able
to
access
the
network
that
we're
building.
And
yes,
that
probably
means
the
shift
of
commuter
parking
goes
from
some
of
the
city,
lots
to
lots
like
the
ones
that
we
see
up
in
the
407
transit
station
along
the
young
Spadina
subway
extension.
So
I.
When
you
look
at
the
official
plan
at
the
guiding
document,
all
the
public
works,
the
TTC
transportation
planning
all
have
to
abide
by
those
documents
and
that's
giving
you
some
job
direction.
So.
M
M
F
Madam
Speaker
we're
making
extraordinary
efforts
with
Metrolinx
to
provide
mobility
across
the
line,
we're
we're
looking
at
commuter
parking
options
and
transit
options
like
the
vive
system
in
New
York
Region
to
load
into
our
system.
We're
looking
at
a
variety
of
things
in
conducted
with
Metro
links
to
increase
the
mobility
and
increase
transit
usage.
We're
not
looking
to
provide
and
solve
problems
of
commuter
parking
per
se
as
the
principal
object,
with
some
balance
between
all
the
things
that
we're
doing
including
intensification
and
including
the
work
that
we
do
with
Metro
links.
All.
T
You
Madame
speaker
through
you
to
staff,
really
appreciate
you
being
here
this
morning
and
giving
us
an
insight
on
how
this
your-your-your
methodology
is
working.
I
was
wondering
if
you
can
please
elaborate
how
you
came
about
the
closing
of
these
subway
stations
or
you
recommending
the
closing
of
the
of
the
parking
lots
of
the
subway
stations.
Did
you
do
a
count
of
the
cars
that
you
can't
do
that
you
can't
consulting
the
community
around
the
areas.
P
T
T
L
Through
the
speaker,
we
look
at
a
number
of
things
that
that
determine
ridership
on
transit
lines,
and
what
we
find
is
that
the
key
driver
for
transit
ridership
is
about
strong
connections
to
bus
routes
and
other
transit
services,
as
well
as
people
walking
in.
There
is
some
some
portion
of
ridership
that
comes
from
people
in
commuter
parking
lots.
But
that's
a
small
portion
of
the
overall
ridership
and
we're
trying
to
drive
more
people
to
take
transit
would.
L
T
L
Speaker,
part
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
to
change
the
the
way
in
which
development
happens
and
the
pattern
of
development
around
our
new
transit
investments.
Yes,
there
are
some
parts
of
Scarborough
and
other
and
other
parts
of
the
city.
Where,
because
of
the
nature
of
the
development,
you
may
have
longer
paths.
I
can't
comment
on
a
theme.
T
I
T
L
The
speaker,
if
you're
asking
me
about
my
preferences,
I
bike
or
take
transit
to
work,
if
you're
asking
me
about
what
people
will
do
and
how
we
get
more
people
on
transit,
my
response
will
be
the
same
that
we
are
trying
to
encourage
more
people
to
get
there
by
walking,
cycling
and
other
means
of
transit,
because
that's
what
really
starts
to
drive
transit
and
that
development
around
changing
the
nature
of
development
around
the
stations
is
such
an
important.
You.
T
The
speaker
to
staff,
so
what
you're
telling
me
is
that
I
should
encourage
my
family,
my
daughters,
to
get
on
a
bike
at
10
o'clock
at
night
or
walk
to
the
bus
station,
which
is
two
kilometres
away
in
the
snow,
brought
you
through
the
snow
or
for
that
matter
of
fact,
these
kids
that
are
up
here
visiting
like
for
my
school
you'd,
want
me
to
encourage
them
to
walk
two
kilometres
to
bus.
Stop.
F
L
Through
the
speaker,
you,
we
need
to
look
at
this
in
terms
of
what
is
happening
around
those
or
on
those
former
parking
lots.
Where
we're
talking
about
some
major
developments
that
will
increase
transit,
ridership,
it
may
displace
or
change
the
patterns
of
some
individuals,
but
overall
that
development
around
those
stations
along
the
tys
se
should
increase
transit,
ridership
right.
F
L
F
Back
back
to
the
other
question,
if
we
could
replace
a
parking
lot
within
a
development
and
increase
the
density
around
the
station,
which
I
think
is
what
the
official
crime
talks
about,
does
that
parking
lot
increase
or
decrease
the
transit
ridership?
And
if
you
have
a
thousand
spaces
and
it's
filled,
that's
a
thousand
transit
riders
that
may
otherwise
take
transit.
Would
that
be
correct?.
L
Through
the
speaker,
that
sort
of
joint
development
is
something
that
we
would
be
be
quite
open
to
in
the
context
of
the
work,
we're
doing
on
smart
track
and
and
other
major
transit
projects.
I'm
not
able
to
comment
on
what
build
has
included
in
their
deals.
I
think
the
deputy
city
manager
wants
to
add
if.
F
I
could
I
want
to
go
back
to
the
work,
that's
we're
doing
with
metro
links
and
what
the
adjacent
municipalities,
to
the
extent
that
Peale
and
York
develop
a
more
robust
and
accessible
transit
system
like
vivo
or
Brampton's
or
Mississauga
transit,
and
as
they
can
intercept
commuter
parking
commuter
trips
and
have
them
dropped
off
in
there
onto
their
transit
system
to
load
onto
our
system.
That,
and
in
conjunction
with
go
with
the
recent
announcement
or
coming
announcement
on
fare
reductions
or
Co
fare,
we
are
successful.
F
What
it
does
is
it
takes
those
trips
that
are
coming
into
the
city,
picks
them
off
our
streets
and
gifts,
a
lot
of
our
transit
earlier,
and
that's
really
what
the
pattern
of
development
is
shifted.
So
the
computer
parking
lots
are
now
moving
to
the
periphery,
but
we're
mostly
interested
in
seeing
the
success
of
Viva
and
zum
and
Mississauga
transit
to
intercept
those
people
closer
to
home.
Understood
are
those
are
those
enhancements
here
today
or
are
we
still
waiting
for
those
and
are
some
of
them
somewhat?
F
L
So
through
through
the
speaker
counselor,
we
are
working
on
the
motion
that
you
passed
or
had
passed
in
2016
with
regard
to
commuter
parking
linked
to
the
Eglinton
West
LRT
station
and
looking
at
opportunities
in
conjunction
with
that
project,
with
City
of
Mississauga
and
the
airport.
In
terms
of
other
things
that
peel
I
can't
answer
here
right
now
about
other
things
that
peel
or
York
are
doing
and
how
they're
dealing
with
with
parking
along
their
their.
B
A
E
E
E
How
many,
with
the
new
stations
opening
in
a
matter
of
months
now
weeks,
almost
how
many
spots
will
be
added
at
the
highway
407
station,
where
many
of
these
commuters
are
coming
from
almost
600,
so
600
there,
how
about
Pioneer
Village
station
right
at
the
north
end
of
York
University
close
to
1900?
Okay,
so
it
almost
I'll
call
that
2,000
Finch
west
and
right
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
how
many
spots
are
being
added
365
and
the
Vaughan
metropolitan
center?
Where
again,
maybe
these
commuters
are
coming
from
at
least
500.
E
Though
so,
a
thousand
at
Yorkdale,
almost
2000
at
steals,
600
at
407,
almost
400,
Finch
and
500.
At
the
end
of
the
line,
we
are
adding
more
parking
to
around
subway
stations,
probably
than
we
ever
have
in
history,
and
probably
ever
will
again,
but
we
are
adding
thousands
and
thousands
of
spots
4,500.
Professor
Burnside
just
told
me
right.
G
N
E
Set
on
a
separate
note,
my
count
is
that
roughly
over
this
term
of
council,
the
TTC
has
or
will
have
ordered
about
800
new
buses.
Is
that
about
accurate?
Yes,
do
we
have?
Is
it
as
our
hope
that,
with
those
800
buses
we're
putting
on
the
street
on
top
of
our
existing
fleet
of
thousands
of
buses,
that
people
would
maybe
off,
plus
a
service
we've
added
that
people
would
opt
to
take
transit
to
get
to
a
subway
station?
E
P
Would
be
our
hope,
along
with
the
general
strategy,
to
improve
integration
in
and
around
subway
stations
with
pick-up
and
drop-off
points,
integration
with
bike
share
and
cycle
cycle
parking
that
we
are
working
closely
with
the
city
to
ensure
that
we
have
that
integration
across
the
city,
as
well
as
the
collaboration
that
we
do
with
metro
links
with
regards
to
how
our
service
and
the
surrounding
mr.
Petty's
services
integrate.
So.
E
This,
the
the
decision
of
closest
law,
happened
to
terms
of
council
ago
we're
in
the
process
of
adding
4,500
new
spots
to
the
area.
We've
added
service
and
buses
that
are
connecting
to
all
these
transit
stations,
including
Wilson.
Is
that
correct
right?
One
other
question
on?
Oh,
maybe
the
city
manager
would
have
to
answer
this.
E
We
have
a
new
real
estate
board
or
entity,
that's
being
put
in
place,
there's
a
question
of
whose
responsibility
this
is
I
and
whether
the
TTC
has
forget
about
whether
to
have
the
money
or
could
find
a
land
to
build
any
parking
capacity.
But
it
is
even
under
our
jurisdiction
with
the
new
entity
in
place
to
to
embark
on
projects
like
that.
I
believe.
E
You,
madam
Speaker,
so
this
item
was
considering
an
executive
committee
along
with
number
11,
which
was
the
Toronto
Spadina
as
parking
options
and
in
the
attachment
that
comes
with
it
and
follow
up
on
what
councillor
Cole
was
saying.
You
can
see
all
the
new
parking
at
the
North
End,
where
the
subway
line
was
extended,
so
it's
almost
like
it
was
decided.
We're
gonna,
put
in
another
4,500
spots
and
close
the
Lots
further
down
and
follow
the
direction
that
council
gave
to
maximize
the
value
of
that
property.
Correct.
R
E
That
also
doesn't
include,
as
councillor
Cole
said,
all
the
number
of
new
buses
that
are
gonna
be
traveling
along
that
and
a
brand
new
subway
system
correct
and
the
other
thing
that
I
wanted
asked
when
it
comes
to
public
transit.
Often
I
hear
so
demographic
speaking
as
the
population
ages
and
that
all-important
group
of
18
to
24
year
olds,
I,
don't
often
see
them
saying
you
know:
I
want
to
drive
to
the
subway
station
they're
asking
about
public
transit
or
there's
a
whole
raft
of
reasons.
J
You,
madam
speaker,
that's
correct.
We've
seen
a
trend
not
just
in
Toronto
but
North
America
wide
of
sixteen
to
forty
four
year-olds.
Actually
getting
their
drivers
license
either
delaying
it
or
not
getting
them
at
all,
and
in
fact,
just
as
recently
as
well
in
2014,
is
the
last
number
that
I
could
find.
Only
twenty
four
and
a
half
percent
of
sixteen
year
olds
had
a
license,
which
is
a
steep
decline
from
from
years
previous,
so
that
trend
is
certainly
changing
and.
J
E
J
S
You
I
actually
was
here
when
we
transferred
the
stations
to
Bill
Toronto,
to
ask
for
them
to
look
at
the
development
possibilities
at
all
of
them
and
I
know.
Councillor
Holland
will
recognize
that
Victoria
Park
station
was
one
of
those
that
we
were
dealing
with,
but
one
of
the
redevelopment
objectives
was
to
replace
the
parking
if
it
was
possible
in
the
redevelopment
I
think
I
heard
you
say
previously,
you
are
still
doing
that
is
that
part
of
and
I
don't
know
whether
it's
to
the
city
manager.
It's
the
build
Toronto
question
I.
Think.
F
S
P
S
S
J
S
Q
Q
J
J
I
would
have
to
confirm
that
deputy
mayor
minute-long,
so
there
there
was
a
study
done
by
Queens
University.
That
shows
that
the
number
of
in
the
number
of
families
that
are
getting
cars
is
actually
increasing.
The
number
of
families
that
are
getting
two
cars
is
increasing
and
that
trend
is
going
to
continue.
So
the
proposition
that
less
people
are
driving
is
actually.
J
Through
you,
madam
Speaker
I'm,
not
familiar
with
that
study,
the
studies
that
I've
seen
in
some
of
the
national
journals
and
more
recently
in
the
paper
here,
although
I
can't
put
my
finger
on
it
at
this
moment,
have
indicated
that
the
number
of
teens
and
people
in
the
16
to
44
year
old
demographic
are
prolonging
the
time
by
which
they
get
their
drivers
licenses
and
I.
Think
there
there
is
a
pretty
good
research
related
to
that,
not
just
in
Toronto
but
I.
Didn't
I
didn't
mention
16.
Q
J
Cars
through
you
I
would
have
to
do
more
research
on
that
to
be
able
to
answer
that
question
fully.
What
I
know
and
we'll
talk
about
it
in
the
upcoming
discussion
on
free
floating
car
share
is
that
there
are.
There
are
certainly
people
who
are
choosing
to
defer
the
purchase
of
a
second
car
or
not
get
a
car
at
all
because
of
the
options
related
to
two
car
sure.
So.
J
J
I
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker,
so
I
want
to
go
back
to
to
what
we're
talking
about
pedestrian
safety
earlier,
there's
a
school
of
thought
and
I.
Wonder
if
you
could
confirm
this
for
me:
I've
read
about
it,
but
admittedly,
in
American
journals,
there's
a
school
of
thought
that
increased
pedestrian
animation,
the
more
pedestrians
you
can
put
on
the
street,
the
greater
the
likelihood
of
reducing
crime.
In
fact,
is
that
a
truth
we
can.
We
can
see
developing
over
time
in
urban
centers
in
Canada.
Certainly.
L
I
If
I
have,
rather
than
rather
than
take
a
bus
or
subway
or
an
LRT,
if
I
have
a
whole
bunch
of
17
year-olds
leaving
Fairview
Mall
when
shift
is
over
at
9:30
at
night,
if,
if
30
of
them
are
leaving
and
29
have
car
rides,
their
parents
come
and
get
them
and
drive
them
home.
The
one
key
to
walks
home
is
less
safe
than
if
all
30
of
them
were
walking
home
through
the.
I
Yes,
so
so
when,
when
these
and
you're
too
young
to
remember
and
I'm
almost
too
young
to
remember
when
we
first
began
to
extend
subway
stations
when
we
were
extending
out
lines,
1
and
line
2
and
and
and
developing
their
Shepard
line,
I
dare
say
the
commuter
parking
lots
as
I
recall,
they
were
meant
not
for
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
They
were
meant
for
the
commuters
coming
from
from
the
excerpts.
Is
that
is
that
not
the
case?
I
Then
what
so
I'm
wondering
my
last
question
then,
is
I'm
wondering
if
in
2009,
the
decision
around
Wilson
might
be
similar
to
similar
to
what's
happened
around
the
gun
mill
subway
station-
it's
not
a
TTC
lot.
It
is
an
array.
It
wasn't
arranged
between
Cadillac,
Fairview
and
TTC
that
there
is
a
lot
that
shoppers
can
use,
but
also
commuters
can
use.
But
when
it
was
first
struck
there
was
just
the
TTC
and
the
Sheppard
subway.
There
are
now
seven
YRT
routes
coming
directly
to
that
subway
station
and
so
without
much
human
cry.
A
I
Thank
you.
So
without
without
a
human
cried,
the
president's
follows
YRT
bus
furs,
that's
York,
Regional
Transit.
Coming
to
the
station
Cadillac
Fairview
said
you
don't
need
all
these
commuters
coming
here,
taking
up
my
shopping
spots
and
they
now
charge
for
the
spaces
a
pretty
hefty
fee
to
to
discourage
the
commuters
from
loading
up
the
parking
lot
as
a
private
sector
entity.
They
wouldn't
have
had
to
justify
the
demand
on
the
parking
lot.
Would
is
the
TTC
required
to
do
a
study
and
justify
we
think
we
can
live
without
this
lot?
I
P
I
So
the
decision
to
to
then
incent
people
to
please
stop
filling
up
the
slot.
Please
use
transit
to
get
to
higher
orders
of
transit
similar
to
the
private
sector.
They
could
simply
say
the
options
are
here
now
for
the
surrounding
neighborhood
to
have
a
better
quality
of
life.
We'd.
Rather,
you
didn't
drive
your
cars
into
the
neighborhood.
Now,
please
use
transit
to
get
to
higher
order
transit.
The
only
issue,
then
is,
is
the
transit
available,
and
in
my
local
case
the
answer
is
yes
is
the
case
at
Wilson.
G
G
So
I
would
simply
say
that
if
we
had
established
a
commuter
parking
network
across
the
city
and
now
a
lot
is
focused
on
Wilson
station,
but
really
it's
a
pretty
wide
problem
to
accommodate
young
families
that
live
far
from
from
a
bus
stop
or
from
from
transit
to
accommodate
seniors
who
have
mobility
issues
the
disabled
to
accommodate
geographical
distances
that
are
more
acute
and
the
inner
suburbs.
Those
those
matters
have
intensified
over
the
years
and
not
been
reduced.
We
have
more
seniors.
We
have
more
disabled,
the
geographical
distances
have
primarily
made
the
same.
G
Those
those
grid
patterns
of
various
suburbs
have
not
changed.
The
buses
are
not
going
down
to
front
doors
of
houses
in
those
various
neighborhoods
and
yet
well.
It
was
okay
in
2009
to
take
a
sober.
Second
look
at
our
commuter
parking
strategy,
even
though
conditions
had
not
changed
for
some
reason,
some
are
arguing
saying.
Well,
we
shouldn't
take
another
look
at
it
now,
because
the
decisions
already
made
well,
the
art
same
argument
could
have
been
used
in
2009.
G
It's
important
to
realize
that
before
us
as
a
strategy
to
close
hundreds
of
parking
spots
along
Wilson,
Avenue
and
Sheppard,
and
go
on
the
misguided
that
people
are
gonna
drive
up
to
the
new
parking
spots
at
highway,
407
steals
and
Finch
West
station.
So
it's
a
it's.
Basically
a
parking
parking
space,
shell
game
where
they're
saying
sure
these
these
spots
are
closing,
but
these
spots
are
all
opening.
Now
what
right-minded
commuter
would
ever
drive
up
to
407
from
Wilson
Avenue
or
from
Sheppard
to
park
their
car
just
to
take
the
subway
back
down?
G
At
the
same
time,
I
should
point
out
that
the
new
transit
hub
that
downs
new
Park
station,
which
includes
a
brand
new
subway
station
and
a
new,
go
station
as
let
me
just
get
to
add
up
the
numbers
here.
This
important
transit
hub
will
have
zero
parking
spots
available
to
the
to
the
public.
Remember,
that's
a
new
go
station
and
a
new
subway
station.
G
It
is
important
to
realize
that
this
decision
needs
a
major
revisit
that
the
inner
suburbs
rely
on
the
day-to-day
pattern
of
driving
their
kids
to
school,
dropping
a
spouse
off
to
work
and
leaving
a
car
at
the
station.
These
are
our
most
loyal
customers.
They
don't
want
to
take.
They
love
their
car,
they
drive
their
car,
but
they
don't
want
to
take
their
car.
G
Downtown
I
received
more
and
more
emails
and
postings
on
social
media
that
people
who
are
once
parking
at
Wilson
station
are
being
shut
out,
not
getting
the
spots
and
they're
driving
downtown
now,
and
this
is
exactly
what
we
don't
want,
so
you
could
have
a
situation
in
which
the
thousands
of
spots
that
are
being
lost.
Those
people
will
start
driving
downtown
congesting.
Our
downtown
streets
or
downtown
core-
that
is
exactly
what
we
don't
want.
G
G
They
may
drop
a
spouse
off
at
work,
they
may
do
some
shopping
and
then
they
leave
the
car
at
the
community
parking
lot
that
that
car
is
there
when
they
arrive
back
in
the
dark
late
at
night
in
the
snow,
so
they
can
get
home
easily,
not
waiting,
15,
20
minutes
for
a
bus
from
the
station
and
then
doing
another
15
minute,
20
minute
walk
from
the
bus,
stop
that
they
depart
from
or
embark
from
to
their
home.
This
is
grossly
unfair.
G
This
is
a
misguided,
City
policy,
and
all
we
are
saying
here
is
to
take
a
sober,
second
look
and
to
take
a
pause.
I
remember
during
Corps
service
review.
Many
in
this
chamber.
Many
who
were
fighting
against
communal
parking
lot
said
once
you
Celica
city
asset.
It
is
gone.
It
has
gone
forever,
you
have
lost
it
if
you
can't
get
it
back,
and
these
are
city
assets.
This
is
added
revenue
for
our
transit
for
our
Transit
Commission,
vital
revenue.
They
continually
say
how
cash
starve
they
are.
G
This
is
an
important
convenience
for
our
inner,
suburban
residents.
It
is
respectful
of
the
disabled,
who
still
continue
to
drive
and
seniors
who
have
serious
mobility
issues
and
I
was
at
the
carp
flag
racing
a
week
ago.
The
city
is
is
facing
an
age
quake
and
to
take
away
commuter
parking.
Lots
is
really
an
insult
to
our
aging
population,
so
we
need
to
reassess
this
whole
venture
and
unfortunately,
the
discussion
was
based.
Thank.
M
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker,
given
that
to
councillor
Pasternak
in
his
six
minutes,
encapsulated
almost
everything,
I
have
to
say:
I,
just
I'll
just
move
my
motion,
which,
which
speaks
to
the
potential
loss
of
these
commuter
Lots
and
gives
direction
to
build
or
any
subsequent
real
estate
entity
of
the
City
of
Toronto
to
include,
in
the
terms
of
sale
of
that
property,
a
requirement
that
parking
commuter
parking
spaces
be
preserved
with
any
new
development.
So
much
as
we
do
with
a
rental
replacement
when
apartments
are
demolished,
we
require
that
they
be
replaced.
M
M
In
the
lakeshore,
and
so
if
we
want
ridership
on
the
TTC
and
we
want
to
get
people
out
of
cars,
we've
got
to
make
it
easy
for
them
to
get
out
of
cars,
and
what
we
seem
to
do
is
make
it
as
difficult
as
possible
for
them
to
make
that
choice.
So
I
think
council
made
a
big
mistake.
A
long
time
ago,
we've
lure
losing
a
lot
of
spaces
at
the
Islington
subway.
We've
lost
them
in
other
parts
of
the
city,
councillor
past
and
excited
some
examples
of
what
we're
expecting
of
commuters.
M
Now,
not
everybody
is
within
walking
distance
of
a
subway
councillor
holiday
uses,
commuter
parking,
I
use
commuter
parking
at
the
Islington
Station,
sometimes
on
the
weekend.
There's
lots
of
people.
We
can't
just
think
about
Toronto
and
residents
of
Toronto
who
can
walk
to
a
subway
or
who
have
a
short
walk
to
a
bus
and
a
short
bus
ride
to
a
subway.
The
TTC
ridership
is
made
up
of
all
kinds
of
people
from
all
walks
of
life,
and
they
don't
all
have
the
same
options
of
getting
downtown.
M
I
R
So
I
moving
on
to
a
more
serious
question
we
heard
in
the
discussion
of
the
one
subway
station.
We
were
originally
talking
about
Wilson
that
in
fact,
we've
done
research
that
shows
that
70%
of
the
parking
that's
there
are
from
people
further
out
and
we're
moving
the
parking
further
out
to
match
that
shortening
people's
car
trips
and
getting
better
land
use
around
the
station
to
reflect
the
needs
of
the
community
that
actually
lives
there.
R
Here's
my
question:
here's
my
question:
would
you
consider
amending
your
motion
so
that
it
goes
together
with
the
referral
to
build
Toronto
to
allow
for
circumstances
where
we're
moving
the
parking
to
better
match
the
demand,
rather
than
freezing
the
parking
at
the
current
location
and
forcing
people
to
drive
longer
distances?
Would
you
just
talk?
Would
you
just
bundle
it
in
with
counselor
pastor,
max
motion,
I'm.
M
Not
I'm
not
frankly
sure
how
I
would
do
that,
because
what
I'm,
what
I'm,
referring
to
are
instances
where
we
have
where
we
have
had
land
and
we
have
sold
land
in
and
around
subway
stations
and
commuter
Lots
have
been
lost.
I'm,
not
sure
how
many
circumstances
of
that
remain
at
the
city.
But
this
would
this
would
essentially
say
to
them
that
if
you've
got
a
hundred
spots,
don't
just
sell
it
to
Tridel
and
let
them
put
in
you
know
condominium
partner,
I,
appreciate.
R
That
you
can't
predict
what
would
happen
in
every
circumstance
and
that's
why
I
would
encourage
you
and
it.
You
said
you
were
not
sure
how
to
do
it.
I
could
come
help.
You
find
the
words,
but
essentially
attach
your
idea
that,
on
a
net
basis
on
a
line,
we
don't
lose
parking
rather
than
freezing
them
in
locations
that
may
not
be
appropriate.
Even
today,
let
alone
ten
years
from
now.
Well,.
M
R
M
Q
M
A
Q
A
Q
Q
Q
M
They
let
the
land
the
land,
but
no
no,
the
land
could
be.
The
intent
is
that
the
land
could
be
developed
but
we're,
and
if
the
land
is
developed
there
would
be
it
could
be
mixed-use
residential
what-have-you,
but
they
would
have
to
preserve
an
equivalent
number
of
commuter
parking
space
and
I'm.
Asking
that
in
that,
so.
Q
M
G
M
Q
Q
Q
Q
A
M
T
T
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
Through
to
my
colleague
again,
would
you
consider
asking
staff
to
to
come
back
with
a
policy
that
just
doesn't
look
at
what
is
happening
today,
but
in
the
future,
like
any
smart
tracked,
slash
Metrolinx
that
we
might
want
to
build
I
mean
in
my
area,
there's
a
Metrolinx
that
is
coming
up
and
it
has
absolutely
no
parking.
Would
you
consider
allowing
this
I.
M
M
I
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker,
because
it
is
clarification,
I'm,
trying
to
understand
the
terms
here
to
see
if
this
does
in
fact
go
as
far
as
counsel
shiners
concerns
reflect
include,
turns
your
crank
live
an
equivalent
number
of
repurposed
commuter
lot
spaces
be
replaced.
What
are
repurposed
commuter
lot
spaces
reap.
M
I
M
I
M
Okay,
the
inference
you're
right-
it's
not
specific,
but
the
inference
is
that
commuter
parking
is
generally
TTC
parking
or
green
pea
parking.
Although
it's
just
it's
not
specific
to
that.
If
the
intent
is
not
that
it
is
private
parts
absorb
it
and
private
party
I
mean
the
intent
you're
quite
correct.
Councillor,
Carol
I
do
was
not
specific
on
the
type
of
commuter
parking,
but
commuter
parking
is
generally
affordable,
parking,
affordable
parking.
I
M
I
mean
I
take
again
I
take
issue
with
with
the
numbers
and
the
calculation,
but
the
intent
the
intent
is.
That
is
that
is
that
we're
where
we
are
at
a
potential
loss
of
commuter
parking?
We
still
have
to
encourage
people
to
use
the
TTC
and
one
of
the
best
ways
of
encouraging
people
to
use
the
TTC's
is
to
get
out
of
their
cars
by
getting
to
these
Lots.
So.
I
That
I,
don't
know
who's
study,
says
it's
the
best
way.
But
my
last
question
is
this:
the
$50,000
per
spot?
You
know
that's
real
life
real
time.
Today's
cost
of
building
an
underground
parking
spot,
it's
not
taken
from
thin
air.
It
is
the
calculation
the
planning
staff
use
to
calculate
what
they
are
in.
K
A
M
M
S
S
A
A
S
F
M
F
Is
it
the
intent
of
your
motion,
perhaps
in
looking
at
the
big
balance
scale
of
public
assets
that,
in
this
case,
something
was
sold
and
the
taxpayers
of
Toronto
lost
a
30
million
dollar
axe
asset?
It
was
evaporated
into
the
ether,
because
we
know
it's
worth:
30
million
dollars.
So
by
replacing
that
asset
through
the
development
of
these
sites,
we
in
fact
keep
the
balance
in
balance
that
the
taxpayers
aren't
actually
giving
something
up
a
valuable
public
asset,
which
is
a
parking
lot
worth
X
number
of
dollars
that
that
that
balance
scale
stays
in
balance.
M
F
I
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
don't
have
a
motion
to
move.
I
I
will
be
voting
against
councilor
Campbell's
motion
that
won't
come
as
a
surprise.
I
was
very
concerned
about
the
item
to
begin
with,
but
I'm
I'm
very
happy
with
the
amendments
that
that
we
are
in
fact
letting
the
real
estate
agency
that
we
set
up
actually
do
their
job
and
and
that
we're
going
to
actually
make
them
a
part
of
this
equation.
So
I'm
grateful
for
that
and
we'll
support,
counselor
pastor
next
motion.
I
Madam
Speaker
I
have
been
supremely
bummed
since
returning
from
the
Asia
trade
mission
I
I
spent
today
after
the
delegation
had
finished
trade
work,
visiting
transit
stations
that
mr.
Byford
had
recommended
that
I
visit
a
suburban
one
was
called
Tama
Plaza.
The
big
rail
station
has
some
commuter
rail
and
some
some
local
subway
huge
number
of
buses
coming
in
and
out
to
connect
to
that,
and
they
have
realized
the
value
of
the
lane
and
that
that
a
transit
station
brings
to
a
piece
of
land
just
beautifully.
I
That's
the
first
plank
of
fare
integration,
there's
fair
integration
and
in
Tokyo,
so
what
happens
is
commuters,
get
to
the
end
of
their
first
leg
and
because
they
were
allowed
to
realize
and
maximize
the
value
of
the
land
around
that
suburban
station.
They
get
off
lots
of
pick
up
retail,
it's
kind
of
retail.
That
is,
you,
know,
lifestyle,
stuff,
quick,
groceries,
quick,
this
quick
that
my
cleaner,
my
dentist,
etc.
Then
there's
a
daycare
center,
then
there's
a
seniors
drop-off
where
you
can
drop
off
the
the
senior
member
of
your
family
that
needs
care.
I
There's
all
the
things
for
your
life
that
you're
allowed
to
get
out
of
the
commuter
rail
and
do,
and
then
you
go
back
down
into
the
terminal
and
you
connect
to
the
bus.
You
connect
to
the
to
the
lower
orders
of
rail.
You
connect
to
the
other
modes
to
go
the
rest
of
your
journey
and
then
at
the
end
of
that
journey.
Of
course,
as
we
know,
is
the
last
mile
or
the
last
kilometer,
whatever
unit
of
measure.
I
I
We
are
making
great
headway,
I,
don't
know
about
you,
but
they
were
very
busy
in
my
ward,
this
summer,
making
accessible
curse
for
that
last
mile
of
a
transit
lifestyle
and
whether
we
want
to
wrap
our
heads
around
it
in
2009
for
2017,
or
you
can't
wrap
your
head
around
it
until
2027.
The
reality
is,
if
we're
gonna
be
that
municipality
of
six
million
eight
million
by
2030,
yes,.
O
I
Talking
now
in
talking
about
Wilson
station
about
Midtown,
not
the
suburbs,
it
will
be
Midtown
by
then
and
up
where
the
line
ends
in
Vaughan.
That
will
be
the
suburbs.
So
can
we
capture
as
much
value
in
Wilson
halfway
along
the
line
as
possible?
Can
we
maximize
the
value
at
the
end
of
the
line
in
Vaughan?
That
is
the
goal
of
our
official
plan
bonds
official
plan,
then
the
provinces
official
plan,
and
it's
on
that
basis
that
they're
giving
us
the
money
to
develop
the
transit
we
so
badly
need.
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
Thank.
A
E
Placed
that
City
Council
for
the
item
to
the
Toronto
Realty
Agency
for
consideration.
The
reason
I
do,
that
is
I,
think
pretty
clear.
That
is
the
body
that
will
be
dealing
with
issues
like
this.
The
whole
reason
I
think
most
people
in
this
room,
certainly
those
on
Executive
Committee,
who
voted
to
advance
this
entity.
It's
for
these
exact
reasons.
How
do
we
better
coordinate
real
estate
decisions
that
impact
multiple
agencies,
multiple
departments,
let's
bring
it
to
one
place,
one
decision-making
table
and
we
will
make
the
best
decision
on
how
to
best
utilize.
E
These
assets,
I
can
feel
for
councilor
Pasternak
and
his
local
setting
where,
despite
a
decision
being
made
years
before
he
was
even
elected,
the
eventual
closure
had
a
significant
negative
impact.
I
think
the
reality
is,
is
that
and
I
know
people
will
say
well,
it's
different
in
the
suburbs.
I
represent
a
suburban
community
with
three
subway
stations
in
it
we
want
people
to
access
transit
by
transit,
that
that
is
the
only
answer.
E
That's
going
to
make
this
city
function,
and
so
it's
the
reason
why
we
collectively
have
this
council
last
three
years
have
spent
billions
and
billions
on
TTC
capital
projects.
What
does
that
mean?
In
a
large
part,
that
means
more
buses
and
the
operating
subsidy
we
get
from
the
city,
largely
means
extending
service
hours
and
the
service
range.
E
The
more
buses
can
take
people
from
their
neighborhoods
to
subway
stations,
and
so
that's
been
a
clear
decision
and
trend
of
this
council
decision
after
decision
after
decision
year
after
year,
we've
all
collectively
made
those
decisions
and
I
think
those
are
good
ones
for
the
betterment
of
the
city.
For
some
of
those
people
who
have
been
using
the
Wilson
lot,
we
know
many
of
them
do
come
from
the
north
vaughn
and
beyond.
Well,
in,
in
that
case,
we're
adding
4,500
spots
to
help
them
out.
E
So
maybe
now
they
get
on
at
York
University
at
407,
or
at
Pioneer
Village
and
they're
on
a
new
brand-new
subway,
where
they
can
get
a
seat,
certainly
right
at
the
top
of
the
line
there
and
ride
comfortably
down
into
the
city,
and
so
for
that
reason,
I
move
that
referral
motion
for
your
consideration.
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
Thank.
J
T
T
You,
madam
Speaker,
through
you
to
my
colleague
that
only
defers
the
decision
to
them.
However,
it
doesn't
give
them
guidelines
as
to
what
they
should
be
considering.
Should
we
not
consider
what
we
have
now
what
we
might
have
in
the
future,
for
example,
in
my
part
of
the
world,
there's
a
an
LRT
station
at
go
station
that
is
planned
on
Finch,
originally
see
the
plans
with
a
with
parking
lot
and
now
I
see
plants
without
parking
lot,
I
mean
just
referring.
E
T
I
mean
deferring
this.
This
will
not
give
the
community
in
my
area
where
the
ghost
station,
the
smart
track
that
the
mayor
is
proposing
or
pudding,
does
not
give
them.
Instructions
to
consolidate
constituents
does
not
give
them
does
not
get
me
involved
so,
like
I
mean
deferring,
it
is
one
thing
but
deferring
it
somewhere
else.
It's
also
slow
death,
no.
E
No
I
think
you're
you're
you're
quite
incorrect
there.
What
the
mandate
of
that
agency
that
you
support
it
being
implemented
to
says
is
that
they
do
have
to
do
the
consultation
with
communities
when
their
impacts,
whether
it
be
on
parking
lot
or
development
of
a
site
that
you
have
a
community
center.
That's
exactly
part
of
what,
though,
the
role
of
that
agency
is.
Would.
E
A
K
A
T
T
Speaker
I
would
not
support
the
deferral
for
the
simple
reason
that
I,
don't
think
is
at
this
moment
appropriate
as
we've
got
something
which
is
on
the
table,
deferring
it
referring
it.
It
would
only
be
a
slow
death
not
only
that,
but
it's
certainly
not
looking
at
these
matter,
which,
right
now
that
we
need
to
make
a
decision
in
the
affected
community.
Okay,.
R
Speaker
that
would
be
like
one
of
the
dumbest
things
we
ever
did.
If
we
do
that
and
I'll
tell
you
why
it
would
be
one
of
the
dumbest
things
we
ever
did
if
we
did
that,
because
just
simply
transferring
these
lands
to
the
Realty
entity
or
bill
Tron
or
wherever
it
is,
you
know
these
parking
lots,
get
mothballed
basically
get
chain-linked
for
years
and
years
and
years
until
they
figure
out
what
they
couldn't
do
with
them.
R
R
Q
I
think
they
referral
is
probably
the
appropriate
move
in
him
appreciated
on
behalf
of
councillor
Cole
I
know
that
councillor
Cole
as
chair
the
TTC
myself
that
bill
Toronto
and
others
are
trying
to
even
work
now
more
comprehensively
together
to
settle
things,
and
my
colleagues
on
bill
know
that
as
well,
because
we're
looking
that
way,
the
Toronto
Realty
Agency
is
one
that's
supposed
to
be
empowered
to
look
at
all
of
our
properties
and
I
think
it's
appropriate
to
send
it
over
there.
I
say
that
begin,
not
knowing
who's
gonna
be
on
the
board.
Q
Knowing
I
won't
be
chair
of
the
board,
because
a
councillor
won't
be
chair
than
a
Realty
company.
So
it's
not
like
I'm
trying
to
take
authority
over
anything
in
any
way,
but
because
that's
the
vision
that
we
had
at
Council
I
also
think
it's
right,
which,
for
the
questions,
take
a
look
at
a
strategy
to
have
some
parking
along
commuter
lines
and
areas
in
the
our
subway
lines
in
areas
out
of
the
court,
because
I
know
in
the
community
that
I
represent.
Q
Most
of
my
residents
are
too
far
to
walk
to
a
subway
station,
even
though
we
have
it
on
Sheppard.
They
can't
make
it
there,
so
they
also
want
these
lots
where
the
little
lots
or
Big
Lots,
but
I
know
that
the
recommendations
that
are
here
by
my
colleague
who
I
I
like
very
much
and
I
know,
is
very
thoughtful.
Councillor.
Campbell
are
completely
misplaced.
Q
G
Us
thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
I
urge
you
to
defeat.
Referral
built
into
my
motion
is
actually
a
referral
to
both
the
TTC
and
the
chief
corporate
officer
in
transition
leave
for
the
citywide
real
estate
program.
This
at
least
gives
them
directionally.
This
gives
them
direction,
as
well
as
councillor
Campbell's
motion
to
send
it
carte
blanche
over
to
the
new
real
estate
entity
means
that
we
have
given
them
no
no
direction
on
the
thoughts
of
Council.
It
is
our
role
here
to
provide
policy
to
provide
direction.
To
provide
leadership.
A
Q
Madam
Speaker
I
had
held
an
item
on
page
six
CC
32.5
89
to
101
Roehampton
Avenue,
and
my
colleague,
who
represents
the
area,
was
fine
with
me.
Releasing
my
hold
and
he's
going
to
put
a
hold
on
it
and
I
think
deal
with
it
shortly
after
lunch,
anyways
so
I'd
like
to
release
it
and
I
believe
town,
sir
Matt
Lowe
would
like
to
hold
it.
H
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
speaker.
On
page
5
te
26.1
125,
Ontario
Street
and
280
King
Street
East
zoning
amendment
application
of
final
report.
I
do
have
a
motion.
That's
been
prepared
by
a
planning
staff.
If
the
clerk's
can
put
that
on
the
screen,
we're
ready
to
release
it
and
have
it
adopted
and
then
I
have
another
one
after
this
Madam's
here.