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City Council, meeting 36, February 1, 2018 - Part 1 of 3 - Morning Session
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0:11:47 - Meeting resume
C
Well,
thank
you.
Councillor
Thompson
and
I'm
I'm,
just
really
here
before
Michael
actually
enumerates
those
who
have
been
kind
enough
to
be
with
us
today
and
I'm
sure,
if
you
who
can't
be
to
say
thank
you
to
them
for
a
job
well
done
in
helping
us
to
do
to
do
the
Canada
150
in
the
city
of
Toronto,
in
a
way
that
I
think
would
be
consistent
with
how
we
want
to
do
it
and
to
be
done
in
a
way
that
I
think
involved.
C
An
awful
lot
of
people
at
the
grassroots
I
particularly
want
to
acknowledge
the
presence
of
chief
low
forum
who
I'm
delighted
to
see
here
with
us
today.
Any
time
I'm
delighted
to
see
him
and
I
want
to
just
say
that
I
think
there
was
some
I
remember
when
the
budget
was
set.
Aside
was
probably
a
year
and
a
half
before
before
the
actual
year
of
2017.
C
150
gave
us
an
opportunity
with
the
participation
of
the
other
governments,
but
also
with
our
own
leadership
and
our
own
resources,
and
the
help
of
some
of
our
own
Torontonians
to
you
know,
celebrate
a
great
country
with
a
great
history
and
a
great
city
with
a
great
history,
and
so
I
wanted
to
say.
Thank
you
for
your
help
and
making
that
happen
in
a
way
that
I
think
people
of
you
went
out
and
asked
them
today.
Were
they
happy
with
what
we
did
I
think
they
would
say?
Yes,
they
were
and
I
think
that's.
C
What
in
the
end
is
the
is
the
real
test.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
as
well,
to
councillor
Thompson
and
to
our
city
staff
from
economic
development,
all
the
people
who,
as
usual,
did
all
the
work
at
the
city
level
to
make
sure
these
things
actually
happened,
consistent
with
the
advice
given
by
our
advisory
committee.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
Thank
you
very
much
mayor
Tory,
Speaker
and
members
of
committee
I'm
very
proud
to
have
the
opportunity
to
recognize
on
this
floor
of
Council,
some
very
remarkable
volunteers
who
in
fact
have
contributed
significantly
to
the
success
of
our
city's
amazing
Canada
150
celebration.
A
Canada
150
external
advisory
committee,
was
formed
in
late
summer
of
2016
by
this
body
of
council.
B
Its
task
was,
in
fact,
quite
simple:
provide
feedback
and
advice
to
city
staff
with
respect
to
Canada
150
initiatives
engaged
with
businesses
and
business
associations,
community
organizations,
not-for-profits
individuals
and
public
to
promote
and
support
Canada
150
initiatives
provide
support
in
securing
funding
sponsorship,
volunteer
resources,
in-kind
contributions
and
other
resources.
Over
the
past
year
and
a
half
eighteen,
exceptional
individuals,
leaders
in
their
sectors
and
communities
volunteer
their
time
to
join
the
Canada
150
external
advisory
committee.
B
I
had
the
pleasure
of
co-chairing
this
committee
with
two
additional
members
who
were
my
co-chairs,
Ritu,
Gupta
and
I
believe
she's
here.
Would
you
please
stand
Ritu
and
be
acknowledged
free
to
good
and
also
Chris
cameras.
Chris,
unfortunately,
is
not
here
with
us
today,
he's
actually
in
Florida,
so
he's
having
some
sunshine.
In
fact,
members
of
council,
the
committee
met
a
total
of
nine
times
and,
of
course,
in
between
meeting
we
had
subcommittee
met
to
provide
particular
advice
on
the
branding
of
Toronto's
Canada
150
programs,
and
also
on
the
possible
Canada
150
Legacy
Project.
B
Beyond
the
work
of
the
external
advisory
committee
meetings,
members
also
participated
in
a
number
of
city,
planned
events
from
the
commemoration
of
the
100
anniversary
of
the
Battle
of
Vimy
Ridge
to
Canada
Day
celebration
to
canoeing.
Events
on
the
Rouge.
The
Humber
River
I
want
to
recognize
the
members
of
the
external
Advisory
Committee,
who
are
here
with
us
today
and
to
ask
them
to
stand
when
their
names
are
read:
Ricci
Gupta,
we've
already
called
retube.
B
B
The
voice
and
the
conscious
of
the
committee
Danny
Asaf
from
Tories
law,
firm,
Danny,
Randy,
Vander,
Stern
of
open
access,
limited
Randy.
Thank
you,
Nicole
Anderson
business
for
arts
and
I
sure
if
she's
here,
Judy
Gladstone
from
Park
people,
also
Judy
Mathis,
who
you
know
her
from
the
bentway
contribution
that
her
family
is
made
to
the
city
with
big
round
of
applause,
Renee
vu
Francophonie
on
FEPs
renee.
Thank
you.
B
Donald
cranston
community
heritage
advocate
Donald
Thank
You
Donald
Ainsley
University
of
Toronto
than
Donald
saw
here.
He
was
here
for
breakfast
this
morning,
a
Velma
Morgan
from
the
TDSB
film
I.
Thank
you,
Merv
Armenta,
the
Royal
conservative,
Conservatory
of
Music
round
of
applause,
anyways
and
also
Beth
Hanna
on
the
Ontario
Heritage
Trust.
B
B
The
advice
of
these
individuals,
combined
with
the
hard
work
and
dedication
of
the
city
staff
led
by
larious
Dolan,
has
been
amazing.
Larry,
as
you
know,
is
the
director
of
Museum
and
heritage
services.
Larry
will
be
leaving
us
in
in
a
few
months
and
I
wanted
just
a
simply
say
Larry
in
this
public
forum,
you
have
been
transformative
in
helping
the
heritage
and
museum
in
changing
it
in
ways
that
we
had
only
hoped
in
dream.
You
have
been
able
to
accomplish
so
much
in
four
years.
B
B
So
it's
it's
important
to
recognize
that
the
Canada
150
celebration
touched
all
wards
across
this
city.
It's
created
opportunities
for
Torontonians
to
celebrate
their
country
and
to
mark
the
anniversary,
which
is
the
150th
anniversary
of
birthday.
For
this
great
nation.
It
was
a
great
opportunity
for
many
of
us
and
now
I'd
like
speaker
to
give
you
and
the
other
members
of
council
know
those
who
are
watching
an
opportunity
to
see
what
we
were
able
to
accomplish
together.
I
like
to
show
you
a
summary
video
of
our
Canada
150
shoot
a
video.
Please.
A
So,
members
of
council,
we
will
now
review
and
confirm
the
order
paper.
There
are
35
items
left
on
the
agenda
plus
27
member
motions,
City
Council
will
consider
member
motions
at
2
p.m.
City
Council
has
decided
to
consider
the
following
items.
After
members
motion,
CC,
36,
12,
Ombudsman
Toronto
report,
an
investigation
into
Toronto,
Community,
Housing,
Corporation,
medical
and
safety
at
risk.
Priority
transfer
process
for
tenants,
CC,
36:13
office
of
the
integrity.
A
E
C
Madam
Speaker,
it's
not
per
se
a
quick
release
but
I
think
it'll
have
the
same.
Effective
members
are
agreeable
and
it's
item:
IX
30.6,
the
I'mot
review
and
we've
spoken
to
a
number
of
different
members
of
council
and
in
in
order
to
have
this
happen
in
a
manner
that
is
sort
of
sensible
and
consistent
with
other
reports
coming
forward.
C
It
I
think
people
are
agreeable
that
it
would
be
best
to
defer
the
consideration
of
this
item
until
the
City
Council
considers
the
proposed
financing
and
funding
of
smart
track,
because
the
two
are
wouldn't
be
dealt
with
together,
and
so,
if
people
are
agreeable,
I
would
put
a
motion
which
is
on
the
screen
that
we
would
defer
consideration
of
this
item,
which
would
have
the
effect
of
I
guess
in
effect
releasing
and
I.
Think
councillor
perks
is
agreeable
to
this
he's
the
one
that's
holding
it.
C
E
I
A
I
E
I
I
I
J
E
B
A
K
L
M
Thank
You,
speaker
I,
wonder
if
somebody
could
comment
on
the
process
to
date
on
all
of
the
steps
that
the
city
has
taken
to
think
about
different
uses
of
the
space,
including
institutional
uses,
universities
conference
center,
because
I
know,
we've
talked
about
the
need
for
hotels
and
meeting
spaces.
How
did
we
get
to
the
point
that
we've
we've
now
sort
of
prescribed,
far
more
detailed
uses
of
this
building,
and
how
did
we
rule
out
the
viability
of
those
other
uses.
F
So,
madam
Speaker,
we
were
directed
by
counsel
in
November
of
2015
to
follow
very
specific
direction
to
undertake
a
feasibility
studies
for
specific
uses,
which
included
many
of
the
uses
that
you
mentioned.
So
that
would
include
a
Museum
of
Toronto,
Public,
Library
and
ancillary
uses,
including
commercial
did.
M
F
M
F
M
I'm
going
to
switch
channels
a
little
bit
and
focus
a
little
bit
on
the
museum.
Can
someone
talk
to
me
about
what
the
vision
for
the
museum
program
is?
Do
we
have
any
sense
of
governance?
How
will
staff
that
what
we'll
put
into
the
museum?
How
do
we
arrive
at
the
square
footage
figure
that
was
required,
or
was
it
more
of
we
have
this
space?
This
is
what
we
can
put
into
it.
I'm.
O
O
The
same
thing
applies,
there
haven't
been
specific
discussions
related
to
how
an
eventual
museum
would
be
run
and
in
terms
of
the
space
that
was
identified
within
the
footprint
of
Old
City
Hall
for
the
purposes
of
a
museum
Lord
Lord
consulting
was
hired
to
do
an
assessment
of
museums
of
the
same
type
in
various
locations
and
looked
at
the
functions
that
the
museum
would
actually
perform
and
the
types
of
support
spaces
that
would
be
required
and
that's
how
the
figure
of
square
footage
for
the
museum
was
arrived
at.
We.
O
There
there
are
a
couple
of
threw
your
chair
a
couple
of
points
to
make
with
respect
to
to
that
question.
The
city
has
an
extensive
collection
of
historic
objects,
archaeological
specimens
and
movable
fine
art.
My
assumption
is
that
many
of
those
items
would
find
their
home
in
a
museum
in
Toronto
at
the
recent
executive
committee
meeting.
The
question
was
also
asked
and
there's
also
the
possibility
that
residents
of
Toronto
or
others
may
have
items
that
they
may
in
fact
wish
to
donate
to
a
museum.
If
Toronto,
when
one
is
created,
we.
N
So
we've
looked
at
that
and
our
experience
in
opening
a
lot
of
our
operations,
all
museums
on
a
net
operating
basis
are
a
loss
almost
anywhere
in
the
world.
Even
the
private
museums
in
Toronto
run
on
the
basis
of
lenthrop
II,
like
the
textile
Museum
in
the
Shoe
Museum.
We
expect
to
have
some
offset
through
a
small
retail
store
and
through
admission
fees
and
special
events
at
the
museum
itself,
but
by
and
large
the
museum
will
be
run
right-.
Last.
M
O
Yeah
through
your
chair,
if
memory
serves
me
correctly,
we
were
estimating
a
ticket
price
for
an
adult
of
16
dollars.
If
you
look
for
comparable
rates
in
terms
of
other
museums,
other
attractions
in
Toronto,
it
compares
quite
favorably.
For
example,
the
admission
presently
two
for
York
National
Historic
Site
is
14
dollars,
which
is
a
little
below,
but
places
like
Casa
Loma
and
the
Royal
Ontario
Museum
are
$30
and
$20
respectively.
For
adult
admission.
P
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker
I'm,
putting
staff
on
the
spot,
because
the
the
focus
of
the
report
is
more
on
Old,
City,
Hall
itself
and
and
future
uses,
but
I'm
wondering
if
you
can
unpack
for
us
a
little,
because
this
question
keeps
coming
up.
Where
would
the
stuff
come
from
and
I
think
it's
because
councillors
are
largely
familiar
with
the
Toronto,
the
the
facility
known
as
the
Toronto
archives,
which
looks
like
a
big
paper
storage
because
its
archives
of
city
business?
But
there
is
an
archive
of
physical
goods
that
that
that
is
quite
extensive.
O
Through
you
chair,
yes,
thank
you
for
through
you
chair.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
question.
So
the
city
has
two
primary
storage
facilities
for
the
objects
that
I
referenced
earlier
historic
objects,
archaeological
specimens
and
movable
fine
art.
We
estimate
that
we
have
about
150,000
historic
objects
that
relate
to
different
parts
of
Toronto's
history.
So,
as
I
mentioned,
our
working
assumption
is
that
some
of
those
items
will
of
course
find
their
home
in
the
Museum
of
Toronto.
There
may
be
others
out
there.
In
fact,
it's
almost
certain.
P
A
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
and
it's
a
decade
since
I,
went
to
see
them,
but
does
it's
it's
still
extensive
and
and
they're
in
such
good
condition
that
we
could
still
use
there's
an
extensive
collection
of
a
male
and
female
catalog
outfit
from
every
year
from
the
Eaton's
catalogue,
everything
right
down
to
Toronto
made
tea
cups
and
a
box
of
baseball
Little
League
programs
from
East
York.
Is
it
all
still
sitting
there.
O
Through
your
chair,
so
elements
of
the
collection
are
used
on
an
ongoing
basis
for
exhibits
in
various
places,
such
as
the
market
Gallery.
For
example,
we
had
to
Canada
150
exhibits,
which
use
materials
from
from
our
storage
facilities,
they're
also
used
at
our
historical
museums
and
they're,
also
loaned
on
occasion
to
other
institutions
that
have
an
interest
in
them.
They
are
accessions.
We
know
where
they
are.
We
know
what
condition
they're
in
and
we
have
trained
conservators
who
are
responsible
for
the
maintenance
and
the
care
of
those
objects
and
they're
stored
according
to
proper
conditions.
O
P
So
there's
a
well
we're
focused,
mostly
in
this
report
on
old
City
Hall.
If
we
were
to
to
as
it
asks
us
to
direct
you
to
do,
executive
committee
is
asking
us
to
direct
you
to
continue
to
work
on
this
project
heading
in
this
direction
of
a
museum
use.
What
will
follow
would
be
I
would
I
would
I
would
think
would
be
a
certain
amount
of
consolidation.
P
What
happens
to
all
those
places
we're
now
using
to
store
these
things
what's
happening
now,
because
we
have
in
various
different
places
and
things
aren't
in
the
ideal
climate
control
and
so
someone's
job
is
to
make
sure
things
aren't
disintegrating.
There's
a
there's,
a
certain
amount
of
opportunity
there
in
terms
of
consolidating
all
of
that,
and
perhaps
even
some
real
estate
potential
once
we
have
done,
am
I
am
I
right
through.
O
You
chair,
I,
believe,
there's
always
an
opportunity
to
consolidate
our
holdings
in
terms
of
the
accession
agai
tamar
found
to
be
completely
deteriorated
or
no
longer
of
any
use.
But
with
respect
to
the
larger
question
we
have
reached
out
to
organizations
like
the
toronto
fire
service
and
others
who
have
collections
to
see
how
we
might
consolidate
those
in
some
fashion.
But
there
are
no
current
plans
for
facility
consolidation,
so.
P
P
P
O
P
I
P
N
Serious
one
was
looking
at
the
silos
of
the
foot
of
Bathurst
Street
and
there
was
a
very
formal
feasibility
study
that
resulted
in
saying
no
to
that.
Then
we
looked
at
a
building
inside
old
City
Hall
in
the
courtyard
of
because
of
display
purpose
display
challenges
within
in
Old
City
Hall,
and
a
very
large
footprint
for
this
museum
that
didn't
go
anywhere
and
so
now
that
the
end
of
the
current
lease
is
coming
in
the
reachable
future.
N
We
need
to
make
a
resolution
and
the
difference
between
this
proposal
and
earlier
proposals
is
that
a
museum
has
been
more
appropriately
sized
in
comparison
to
equivalent
facilities
in
other
cities
and
in
Canada.
So
we
believe,
as
Larry
has
already
indicated,
that
through
the
research
we
have
a
good
size.
It
takes
up
an
appropriate
amount
of
space
of
the
kind
of
space
that
works
for
a
museum
in
Old
City
Hall,
without
having
to
build
a
new
structure
inside
a
complete
new
structure
inside
the
courtyard
and.
I
So
if
we
were
to
work
backwards
from
that
critical
juncture,
we
actually
don't
have
a
lot
of
time
to
come
up
with
a
strategy
on
how
to
make
use
of
this
building,
with
a
full
repurposing
plus
a
plan
to
restore
and,
of
course,
to
do
that,
the
transactional
pieces
around
securing
differ
Tenace.
Can
we
generally
do
that
in
about
three
years?
Oh,
we
got
to
get
going
now.
We.
F
I
Even
if
we
start
today,
knowing
that
the
work
is
this
conversation
around
getting
ready
for
the
lease
expiration
of
the
of
the
provincial
courthouse
that
began
in
2050
2015
correct
that
the
current
conversation
that
we're
having
today
the
the
newest
phase
of
exploring
the
city
of
Toronto's,
the
City
of
Toronto
Museum
that
began
in
2015.
That
is.
F
I
It's
already
taken
us
three
years,
almost
three
years
to
get
to
this
particular
point
and
then,
with
the
next
three
years,
we've
got
to
be
able
to
come
up
with
a
strategy
with
a
business
plan
with
the
the
construction
drawings
tendering
it
all
out,
going
through
the
head,
Heritage
Preservation
Board,
to
get
the
approvals
securing
the
right
tenants
and
the
covenants
we've
got
basically
three
years
to
get
all
that
lined
up
when
we
are
handed
back.
The
keys.
F
F
I
I
With
respect
to
the
the
the
the
the
physical
space
itself,
this
particular
building
oath
City
Hall
has
faced
potential,
has
faced
the
wrecking
ball
in
the
past
when
at
some
point
in
time,
I
think
the
City
of
Toronto
was
contemplating
whether
or
not
they
should
just
demolish
this
old
building.
Is
that
correct.
B
I
F
Q
You
so
your
report
recommends
having
a
head
lessee,
structure
and
model,
and
I
know
there
we've
looked
at
various
models.
Apparently.
Is
there
some
analysis
that
shows
me
why
you've
chose
that
option?
It
just
says
that
the
analysis
demonstrated
that
this
was
the
best
option.
Could
you
provide
us
the
analysis
so.
F
Since
directed
by
council
in
november
2015,
we've
been
working
with
consultants
in
terms
of
what
the
best
model
is
for
old
city
hall
moving
forward.
We
also
have
experience
with
a
headless
sea
arrangement
at
Union
Station,
and
it
was
the
advice
we
received
and
our
recommendation
is
that
we
partner
with
a
head
lessee,
who
is
better
able
to
manage
the
complexities
associated
with
commercial
arrangements
as
part
of
the
new
model.
Q
F
Q
Okay-
and
that
is
before
you
enter
into
any
agreements.
This
is
a
more
detailed
workup
of
the
arrangements,
because
I
know
at
the
beginning,
we
had
this
discussion
about
Union
Station
going
way
back
and
we
changed
our
direction
on
Union
Station,
actually,
but
anyway,
all
right,
so
the
business
case
will
come
back
and
in
that
we
will
see
all
of
the
costing
of
the
capital
investment
all
of
the
revenues
projections
for
this
model.
F
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
yes,
that
is
correct,
so
what
we
provide
it
in
terms
of
the
recommended
option
in
the
report.
These
are
high
level
and
our
best
estimates
at
this
time,
but
we
would
have
to
undertake
obviously
undertake
very
detailed
studies
and
work
before
we
bring
back
the
report.
Q2
of
2019
and.
Q
K
K
You
know
whenever
I
Drive,
by
or
walk
by,
I
I
look
at
at
Old,
City
Hall
and
a
library
in
there
from
the
perspective
of
potential
users.
Is
there
the
expectation
that
the
people
that
work
in
the
various
buildings
around
here
would
use
that,
and
if
so,
why
would
they
I
don't
know?
Is
this?
Does
it
seem
more
central
to
a
more
central
location
for
the
business
community
than
the
library
here
at
City,
Hall.
F
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
yes,
we're
actually
looking
at
expanding
on
the
existing
5,000
square
feet.
The
existing
branch
that
is
here
at
City
Hall
is
significantly
under
sized
and
isn't
really
able
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
current
community,
and
that
includes
the
business
community,
local
residents
and
families.
And,
as
we
understand
this,
the
big
door
is
actually
the
second
highest
density
of
families
and
that's
also
one
of
the
communities
that
we're
trying
to
serve
right.
F
F
The
circulation
3,
madam
Speaker,
it's
300,000,
it
is
actually
one
of
our
highest
circulating
neighborhood
branches.
It
is
in
the
top
quartile
of
neighborhood
branches,
both
in
terms
of
circulation
and
and
and
within
the
40-hour
branches
which
this
is
one
of
it
is
at
the
absolute
highest.
The
other
branches
that
are
currently
beating
it
within
the
neighbourhood
branch
are
operating
at
62
and
by.
F
F
F
K
F
K
R
You
very
much
I
just
want
to
have
some
questions
around
the
headless
sea
and
that
that
strategy
there.
This
is
a
little
bit
different
than
Union
Station
in
the
Union.
Station
is
a
heritage
building,
but
it
has
a
key
transportation
function.
So
you
know
different
sets
of
partnerships.
It
seems
to
me
are
appropriate
there
I'm
just
wondering
well,
first,
how
many
square
feet
are
we
talking
about
with
the
Old
City
Hall,
so.
B
R
F
D
F
R
F
R
All
go
for
this
site,
so
you
know
the
museum
at
the
end
of
the
day
is
going
to
be.
It
sounds
like
a
money.
Loser
is
the
idea,
then,
that
the
money
to
pay
for
that
would
come
that
you're.
Looking
at
a
package
that
would
be
self
sufficient.
Is
that
the
overall
goal
not
that
it
has
to
be
but
I'm
just
wondering
what
your
goals
are?
That
would
be
a
goal:
okay.
Okay.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,.
A
You
when
I
was
on
the
government
management
committee.
This
item
was
on
the
agenda
and
at
that
time
I
had
asked
questions
so
some
of
the
former
municipalities
they
have
their
museums
like
York,
had
a
York,
Museum
I,
don't
know,
but
the
other
municipalities
so
and
they
don't
have
a
location
and
they're
kind
of
like
rotating
from
location
to
location.
A
O
O
A
S
A
No,
so
I
think
that's
good,
so
if
we
can
get
the
for
every
because
there's
a
lot
out
there
that
former
municipalities
have
you
know
the
New
York
question
starts
aside.
They've
got
all
this
and
they
have
no
space,
so
it
would
be
good
if
we
displayed
it
down
here
so,
okay,
so
thank
you.
That
was
my
only
question.
Okay,.
P
A
S
All
right,
thank
you.
Madam
Speaker
I
see
this
as
an
opportunity
for
us
to
leave
a
really
special
legacy
and
a
gift
to
the
citizens
of
Toronto.
To
all
those.
Many
people
who
visit
our
city
every
year
old
city
hall
itself
is
not
only
a
National
Historic
Site.
It
is
our
former
seat
of
government.
It
has
features,
as
many
of
us
know,
who
who
know
it.
Well,
where
I
don't
know.
If
you
ever
noticed
the
gargoyles
at
the
front,
are
there
actually
as
each
a
Lennox's.
S
P
P
S
Appreciate
that
madam
Speaker,
each
Atlantic's,
the
architect
of
Old
City
Hall,
left,
left
a
little
message
to
the
council
at
the
time
that
caused
problems
for
him
by
SATA,
satirizing
them
with
gargoyles
at
the
front
of
the
building.
They
also
didn't
want
him
to
put
his
name
up
on
the
building,
but
he
found
a
way
to
put
not
only
his
name
but
his
face
on
it.
This
is
part
of
his
legacy
to
to
our
city.
Also
he
was
a
constituent
of
mine
or
not
mine,
but
certainly
of
our
community.
S
Many
many
a
moon
ago,
Old
City
Hall,
is
really
one
of
our
great
buildings,
our
iconic
historic
landmarks,
a
City,
Museum,
I,
remember,
visiting
Chicago
of
years
back
and
visiting
the
city
museum
there
and
I
would
I
would
describe
my
visit
there
as
the
difference
between
a
date
and
and
falling
in
love.
When
you
visit
a
city-
and
you
just
are
tourists
for
a
few
days,
it's
like
a
date,
you
get
to
know
it
a
little
bit.
S
S
I
got
to
learn
about
how
they
reverse
the
flow
of
in
a
river
and
horrible
tribulations
such
as
the
great
fire
there,
and
so
many
stories
that
in
their
architecture,
I
learned
about
who
Chicago
wasn't
is
and
I
began
to
love
that
city
I
want
Toronto
to
have
the
same
type
of
facility.
I
want
my
daughter
and
all
of
our
kids
to
be
able
to
learn
about
our
city
in
a
way
that
we
learned
about
our
indigenous
peoples
who
lived
on
these
lands
and
continue
to
do
so.
S
That's
not
right!
We
have
an
opportunity
to
share
this
with
the
public,
so
I
encourage
us
all
to
move
forward
with
this
opportunity.
I
want
to
also
give
a
lot
of
credit
and
a
lot
of
acknowledgement
to
former
mayor
David
crombie.
You
know
back
in
1970.
This
is
not
a
new
discussion
back
in
1970
David
crombie
really
led
the
charge
to
create
a
Museum
of
Toronto.
The
silos
didn't
work
out.
S
There
were
efforts
by
councillor
Carroll
and
many
others
to
do
this
at
Old
City
Hall,
but
there
were
challenges
with
respect
to
where
the
prisoners
would
walk
in
the
the
existing
court
facilities.
Now
we
have
an
opportunity
with
the
courts,
leaving
council
irma
havoc
and
I
work
together
on
the
idea
of
possibly
placing
the
museum
at
Casa
Loma,
but
there
was
there
was
a
preferable
opportunity
there.
So
now
we
have
our
moment.
We
have
our
moment
to
finally
create
this
Museum
of
Toronto.
S
We
finally
have
an
opportunity
to
return
old,
City
Hall
to
the
people,
rather
than
seeing
it
become
a
boutique
shopping
mall
or
something
like
that.
We
can
create
a
space
with
complimentary
retail.
Yes,
a
gift
shop,
perhaps
a
cafe,
but
a
library,
the
wedding
chapel
and
a
Museum
of
Toronto.
What
an
appropriate
use
of
this
historic
building
so
I'd
like
to
conclude
by
also
acknowledging
merit,
Orion,
Larry,
Estella
and
Mike
Williams
and
councillor
Thompson,
and
and
really
so
many
of
us
and
help
amongst
him.
S
So
many
of
us
who've
been
working
towards
this
suit,
along
with
cows
from
advic.
The
list
is
long.
My
point
is:
is
that
we
think
of
the
things
that
divide
us
in
this
council
far
too
often,
but
when
you
ask
the
average
Torontonian
about
our
story,
their
response
will
be
passionate
and
with
love
and
I
know
that
we
all
feel
that
way.
S
When
we
think
about
our
city
and
it's
stories
and
its
people,
we
speak
about
it
with
passion
with
love
when
I
speak
to
Torontonians
about
the
idea
of
a
museum
of
Toronto,
the
immediate
responses,
enthusiasm
excitement,
passion
because
they
love
this
city
and
I
know
that
each
of
you
feel
the
very
same
way
in
your
own
way.
I
also
see
a
relationship
by
the
way,
with
the
many
smaller
museums
we
have
in
Toronto
that
we
can
pull
together
and
have
a
showcase
in
the
midst
anyway.
S
R
Thank
you
very
much.
I
do
have
a
small
motion
and
I'll
just
to
speak
to
that.
First,
before
expanding
and
complementing
what
councillor
Matt
Lowe
has
just
said,
there
is
an
initiative
at
the
TTC
to
look
at
a
possible
TTC
museum.
Many
of
the
big
cities
in
the
world
do
have
public
transit
museums,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
there's
enough
opportunity
at
Hillcrest
a
yard,
but
this
has
to
be
I.
R
Think
that
thought
through
as
part
of
the
mix
it's
unique
in
as
much
as
the
TTC
has
these
heritage
vehicles
that
need
to
be
accommodated
and
may
or
may
not
work.
I,
don't
know,
I
know
the
TTC
staff
when
seeing
this
said
this
might
work.
So,
let's,
let's
give
it,
let's
make
sure
that
they're
part
of
the
conversation.
So
that's
what
that
motion
tries
to
do
and.
A
R
Mesmerized
by
this
video-
well,
let
me
just
say:
first
I'm
looking
back
like
if
you,
if
you
had
to
say
what
an
obnoxious
use
for
the
old
City
Hall
would
be
I
think
the
current
use
is
probably
the
most
obnoxious
use
that
you
could
have
there
to
have
it
as
a
court
place
in
a
place
for
the
entering
and
exiting
of
people.
We
hold
incarcerated,
I,
can't
think
of
a
worse
use.
You
know
we
do
actually
have
museums
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
We
have
ten
of
them.
R
We
have
a
decentralized
model
of
museums
to
tell
our
Toronto
story
that
decentralized
malla
are
all
the
different
places
that
we
have
Casa,
Loma,
being
one
of
them,
Spadina,
house
and
and
and
so
on,
and
the
thing
that
has
eluded
us
is
to
have
not
several
museums
but
a
place
that
really
is
kind
of
the
core
and
central
place
and
I
think
this
really
offers
an
opportunity
for
us
to
do
that.
I
know
in
in
my
days
here
at
City
Hall
there
been
so
many
groups
that
have
come
earth.
R
Knick
communities
have
come
and
said
you
know.
Where
do
we
as
as
the
Portuguese
community
or
the
Hispanic
community,
or
the
Slovenian
community?
Where
do
we
tell
our
story
and
they
have
boxes
and
boxes
of
stuff
and
and
are
looking
for
places
to
tell
their
story?
There
are
the
faith,
communities
I
know
the
faith,
communities
have
boxes
and
archives
of
they're
all
not
that
they
would.
R
We
would
take
them
all
on,
but
that
where
they
would
like
to
be
able
to
participate
in
the
telling
of
the
Toronto
story,
institutions
of
course,
hospitals,
key
businesses,
fire
police,
TTC,
Public,
Health,
former
cities
like
the
of
York
and
the
townships
town
of
Weston,
the
town
of
Islington
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
All
those
places
there
are
archives.
We
need
to
tell
those
those
amazing
stories
and
of
course
there
are
key
institutions,
social
service,
social
justice
unions
that
are
also
looking
for
places
to
tell
stories.
Madam
Speaker.
R
For
me,
the
issue
is
in
you
know:
I
recognize
that
we
can't
just
can't
just
lose
money
on
it.
I
don't
know
where
the
number
65,000
square
feet
came
from
I'm
sure
it's
a
studied.
Number
I
do
think
that
our
philanthropic
community
would
come
to
the
support
here
and
if
we
need
bigger,
like
my
Mikey
is,
is
Mikey
or
but
the
thing
that
I'm
going
to
be
very
watchful
for
is
what
are
the
uses
that
will
complement
these
uses
here?
R
If
it
can't
all
be
a
museum,
and
it
is
a
very
big
place
that
I
understand
why
at
least
at
the
get-go,
you
wouldn't
want
the
whole
place
to
be
to
be
a
museum,
but
I
think
that's
the
win
for
Toronto,
and
that
has
to
be
the
centerpiece
of
for
it.
So
this
is
great
initiative.
Hats
off
to
all
those
that
have
worked
on
it.
R
I
do
remember,
working
with
councilor
Matt
low,
when
Casa
Loma
wasn't
playing
what
we
were
going
to
do
with
that
place,
and
we
were
both
of
us
were
fighting
hard
to
make
Casa
Loma
the
Toronto
Museum,
and
you
know
what
it
didn't
go
in
that
direction
and
that's
fine,
because
I
think
frankly,
this
is
an
even
better
location.
So
this
is
a
great
great
development
for
us
to
a
big
city.
A
global
city
that
can't
tell
its
story
is
not
a
global
city,
and
this
is
our
opportunity
to
put
ourselves
on
the
map.
Thank
you.
R
A
I
I
To
be
quite
honest,
which
is
the
Eaton
Centre,
which
is,
interestingly
enough.
So
we're
positioned
to
to
take
a
step
forward
that
will
actually
get
us
to
an
outcome.
That
I
believe
will
help
us
realize
a
long
time
aspiration.
And,
of
course,
it's
not
just
an
aspiration
of
those
of
us
who
are
in
council,
but
it's
the
aspiration
of
previous
governments
and
and
other
citizens
who
have
dared
to
dream
about
what
it
would
look
like
to
put
together
and
weave
the
story
of
Toronto
and
the
story
of
Toronto.
I
Madam
Speaker
is
actually
very
important
because
I
believe
that
we
have
a
unique
history
in
this
city
that
is
unparalleled
anywhere
in
the
world.
Our
story
is
around
diversity
and
about
multiculturalism,
a
story
of
migration
around
industry,
a
story
around
indigenous
history
that
is
so
rich
and
oftentimes
forgotten
and
actively
tried
to
be
erased
to
the
point
of
almost
cultural
genocide.
I
We
have
a
responsibility
not
to
preserve
these
stories,
but
actually
to
tell
them
in
contemporary
and
relevant
ways,
and
it's
in
it's
through
hard
work
and
toil
that
this
will
be
done,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
in
a
power
of
a
moment
where
we
get
to
be
brave
and
courageous
and
saying
we
will
actually
complete
the
dream
and
help
realize
what
other
people
have
said
to
us
is
important
to
them.
And
of
course,
these
are
not
just.
I
You
know
important
people
that
we
will
all
be
able
to
recognize
and
names
that
are
household
in
recognition,
but
also
the
stories
of
average
Torontonians
and
people
who
chose
to
make
Toronto
of
their
home
I
am
very
interested
in
telling
their
story,
their
story
of
social
struggle,
their
story
around
the
pursuit
of
equity,
their
story
about
human
rights
and
how
that
was
won
in
this
city.
And
how
do
we
document
that
for
future
generations
so
that
they
don't
think
that
perhaps
LGBT
community
always
had
the
right
that
we
actually
had
to
fight?
I
And
through
these
chambers,
and
through
these
halls
of
government
it
was
one?
And
so
this
is
actually
just
an
incredible
opportunity
that
I
hope
that
we
can
all
vote
on
in
and
with
an
unanimous
fashion,
because
this
is
about
making
sure
that
our
stories
are
told
and
this
story.
The
story
of
this
city
is,
is
very
important.
And
if
we
don't
tell
this
story,
then
no
one
is
going
to
tell
it.
And
if
those
who
try
to
tell
us,
certainly,
we
won't
be
able
to
get
it
right.
Not
if
we're
not
involved.
I
They
did
it
better
than
we
did.
We
will
be
able
to
stand
very
proudly
on
the
steps
of
this
new
building
this
new
city
of
Toronto
Museum,
as
they
look
at
how
we
did
it
and
how
we
did
it
in
the
urban
context,
mixing
the
new
and
the
old
and
then
actually
giving
it
a
new
purpose
in
life,
and
this,
madam
Speaker,
is
actually
a
very,
very
exciting
initiative
and
certainly
a
project
whose
time
has
come.
Thank
you
very
much.
P
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
I
have
a
quick
slide.
I
want
to
show
folks
on
the
overhead.
I
hope
people
can
make
that
out,
that
giant,
sweeping
building
that
that
is
the
the
Shanghai
City
Museum,
it's
a
masterwork
of
Perkins,
and
will
architects
they've
gone
on
there
doing
museums
all
over
the
world
this
one?
This
one
has
just
been
completed
and
I
show
it
not
because
I
think
that
you
should
knock
down
old
city
hall
and
and
put
a
piece
of
architecture
like
that
in
its
place.
P
I
show
it
because
the
Shanghai
City
Museum
began
an
Art
Deco
building,
not
unlike
in
square
footage
or-or-or
era,
albeit
the
the
old
city
hall
of
Toronto,
and
putting
that
museum
in
a
place
not
just
for
tourists
but
for
Torontonians
built
and
built
and
built
to
the
point
where
it
was
necessary
to
build
the
Perkins
and
will
masterwork
and
have
a
larger
museum,
because
once
you
start
that
becomes
in
the
hearts
and
minds
of
residents
their
right
to
have
this
place.
That
does,
as
others
have
said,
tell
their
stories.
I
mean
no
disrespect.
P
P
What's
the
admission
of
this
place
or
to
ask
very
very
specific
questions
about
what
will
be
in
it
to
do
with,
with,
with
all
due
respect,
man
and
speaker
us,
where
it
will
the
chains
of
office
go
in
there?
What
will
it
tell
about
us
us
city
councillors?
That's
not
the
point
of
a
City
Museum.
The
point
of
a
city
museum
is
to
as
a
city
modernizes
tell
us
where
we
came
from.
What
do
we
enjoy
now
and
why?
What
is
it
we
enjoyed
in
the
30s,
the
the
20s,
the
turn-of-the-century?
P
P
If
ever
there
was
a
city
who
needed
that
it's
this
20
year
old
city,
20
years
on
we're
still
whinging
and
whining
about
the
fact
that
we
exist
it's
time
to
have
a
museum
that
shows
where
we
came
from,
puts
a
line
under
that
these
are
all
the
cities
we
came
from
and
the
people
that
lived
in
them
what
they
wore,
what
they
did,
what
they
loved,
what
they,
what
they
had
to
live
through
and
and
how
they
got
here
and
what
we
are
now
that's.
What
a
museum
is
for
now.
P
The
project
thus
far
has
employed
the
best
in
the
world
that
our
staff
put
together
their
crack
team
and
then
added
to
it
'lord
cultural
resources
who,
who
have
have
been
at
the
helm
of
cultural
strategies
and
museum
studies
all
over
the
world
and
know
the
modern,
interactive
nature
of
museums
means
this
is
destined
for
success.
But
you
don't
need
to
be
asking
at
this
early
juncture,
who's
in
charge
of
it.
How
much
will
it
cost
to
get
in
the
door
and
what
exact
pieces
will
be
in
it
because
they
have
a
team
assembled
here?
P
M
Thank
You
Speaker
I
have
four
motions
to
place.
I'll
read
them
out
here
that
the
that
council
requests
the
city
clerk
to
report
on
the
whereabouts
of
artifacts
of
municipal
historical
significance,
including
the
chains
of
office
that
you,
if
I,
could
just
share
ability
to
speak
instead
of
being
barked
out.
Okay,.
M
The
chains
of
office
from
the
morning
former
municipalities,
the
original
Toronto
flag,
some
of
our
corporate
seals
and
documents
and
the
suitability
of
those
for
a
museum.
The
next
motion
is
that
City
Council
requests
the
DCM
to
consult
with
the
chief
librarian
on
opportunities
to
implement
museum
displays
inside
our
local
library
branches
and
to
think
about
during
a
reconfiguration,
to
think
about
how
we
can
have
a
collection,
a
rotation
scheme
and
maybe
even
a
loan
program
for
accredited
educators
and
I
noticed
that
it's
showing
something
different.
M
If
you
don't
mind,
city
council
requests
a
city
manager
to
consult
with
Toronto's
colleges
and
universities
and
to
determine
the
interest
in
their
development
of
old
City
Hall
for
educational
purposes,
before
commencing
with
recommendation
number
two
and
if
I
could
have
the
last
one
I'm
going
to
speak
to
this
one
that
we
delete
the
word
Museum
of
Toronto
from
the
program
and
that
we
add
conference
and
meeting
space
to
the
program
that
we're
looking
at
so
you
know,
councillor
Cairo
talked
about
the
Shanghai
Museum
and
I'm
really
jealous
of
it.
I'm.
M
Actually,
really
jealous
that
Shanghai
had
so
much
money
that
they
could
build
that
so
much
extra
money,
but
I
I,
think
councils
job
is
to
reality
detest
things
and
I
want
you
to
ask
yourself.
You
know
we
heard
people
were
enthusiastic
about
it,
going
to
museum.
Ask
yourself
how
many
people
would
pay
$16
to
go
in
and
look
at
the
artifacts
that
we've
got
and
if
the
answer's?
No,
then
you
know
what
the
museum
is
going
to
be.
M
M
It
is
a
very
significant
undertaking
to
make
a
museum
that
will
attract
people
and
there
are
a
few
of
them
in
the
city
and
they
do
it
well,
I'm,
not
sure
that
I
really
want
to
get
into
the
business
of
looking
after
an
institution
that
does
that
I
think
about
this
is
Union
Station
north.
There
is
an
example
of
another
facility
that
essentially
is
surplus
to
us.
There
are
space
in
there
that
we're
looking
for
an
answer:
how
to
try
to
fill
it
up.
M
So
we've
come
up
with
a
collection
of
things
that
we
can
put
in
there,
and
you
know
let's
just
keep
the
space
and
fill
it
up
with
whatever
we
can
think
of.
I,
don't
know,
I
think,
there's
a
better
way
to
use
this
I
wonder
if
there's
a
way
to
integrate
this
with
other
city
building
objectives.
We
talked
about
attracting
major
corporations
into
the
city.
Why
not
look
at
having
that
as
an
educational
institution?
Can
we
partner
with
a
university
and
do
what
we
do
great,
which
is
produce
great
students?
M
We
talked
about
hotel
and
motel
industry,
and
you
know
the
importance
of
conferences
in
the
city.
Could
that
make
a
great
conference
facility
that
unites
with
some
of
our
objectives?
I,
don't
know
because
I'm
not
convinced
that
we've
gone
out
there
and
tested
that
entire
idea.
Look.
Anyone
that's
been
into
my
office
knows
that
I'm,
a
guy
that
likes
history
and
I
like
artifacts
I've,
got
tons
of
really
neat
things
from
Etobicoke
old
days
that
I
very
proudly
display
in
my
office
and
I.
M
Think
that
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
are
in
our
city,
archives
that
are
worth
being
out
there
to
have
people
look
at
and
it
occurred
to
me
as
we
change
change
the
physical
configuration
and
use
of
our
libraries.
Why
can't?
We
include
physical
objects
in
their
collections?
Why
can't
we
get
a
few
display
cases
out
at
our
individual
library
branches
and
bring
some
artifacts
in
there?
M
You
know
we'll
have
these
libraries
with
spaces
as
the
physical
collection
of
books
decreases?
Well,
why
can't
we
put
something
else?
That's
interesting
in
there
I,
don't
know.
I
hope,
you'll
think
about
this
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
museums
in
the
City
of
Toronto
I'm,
not
convinced
it's
at
the
at
the
top
of
Bay
Street
I
think
we
have
to
put
our
business
minds
on
this
and
think
it
through
and
think
about
how
much
is
going
to
cost.
S
That
this
has
been
nearly
40
years
in
the
making
and
that
you
believe
that
we
should
be
responsible
and
think
it
through
and
given
that
staff
have
been
doing
all
this
work,
to
develop
recommendations
for
us
to
simply
support
them.
Moving
forward
with
the
thoughtful
planning
designed
to
then
come
back
to
us
with
the
specifics
that
you're
requesting
have
you
or
have
you
not
spoken
with
staff,
to
check
in
on
what
or
what
hasn't
been
done
before
coming
up
with
these
ideas
and
throwing
them
on
motions
today.
Well,.
M
I
read
the
report:
counselor
Matt,
Lowe
and
I
asked
the
questions
on
the
floor
of
the
general
manager
about
what
the
admission
price
could
be
and
I.
Think
if
you
do
the
mental
exercise
think
about
realistically
how
many
people
will
pay
$16
to
come
into
the
museum?
If
the
answer
is
not
many,
then
we're
destined
for
trouble.
That's
the
amount
of
information
that
I
need
to
know
that
we
need
to
change
direction
here.
So.
S
Madam
madam
Speaker,
if
I,
if
I
made
what
I'm
trying
to
I'm
trying
to
understand
the
merit
of
these
motions
so
so
to
design
when
you
put
together
these
motions,
the
ones
that
we're
considering
now
have
you
done
until
the
last
few
minutes,
any
consideration
or
research
into
whether
or
not
even
some
of
this
work
is
already
under
progress
and
would
be
part
of
a
forthcoming
report.
Once
the
staff
follow
through
with
what
I
hope
we
recommend
today,
which
is
to
plan
and
design
well,.
M
The
purpose
of
these
motions
are
to
put
the
weight
of
counsel
behind
them
to
reinforce
any
work
that
may
be
going
on
and
if
we
think
they're
good
ideas
that
will
accelerate
staff
to
work
on
them.
Even
harder.
I
think
there
are
some
good
ideas
in
here,
for
instance,
having
artifacts
out
in
the
the
library
branches
what
a
great
use
for
the
space
that
isn't
otherwise
being
used
right
now.
S
You
may
believe,
that's
a
new
idea,
I,
don't
know
it
may
already
be
happening,
I
don't
know,
but
but
but
ultimately,
I'll
give
you
an
example.
The
motion
that
you
moved
with
regard
to
the
chains
of
office
right.
Do
you
believe
that,
should
we
be
curating,
this
museum
today
on
the
floor
of
council,
or
should
we
be
allowing
a
staff
to
come
back
to
us
with
recommendations
along
with
working
with
you
know,
museums
and
others
to
come
up
with
those
specific
recommendations?
Well,
given.
M
The
opportunity
that
the
museum
is
before
council-
this
is
a
great
chance
to
ask
the
clerk's
office
to
engage
on
a
subtask
I'm,
not
saying
that
the
museum
is
going
to
be
filled
with
chains
of
offices,
but
I'll
tell
you.
Those
might
be
a
very,
very
attractive
piece
that
we
could
add
in
there
and
here's
an
opportunity
to
launch
them.
Rather
than
do
it
through
a
members
motion
at
random
to
launch
them
into
a
bit
of
a
subtask
to
go
figure
out
where
those
things
are
I've
heard.
E
E
E
E
You
aware
that
the
branches
do
already
do
some
displays.
Reutlitz
explain,
particularly
at
the
reference
library.
They
actually
have
a
whole
gallery
for
these
kind
of
displays,
great,
let's
expand
them,
I'm,
not
sure.
If
its
clarification,
you
were
making
a
comment
about
the
branches,
a
library
branches
being
empty
and
not
having
a
lot
of
space.
M
M
Answer
I'd
like
to
give
is
that
I
still
think
that
there's
opportunity
for
change
an
opportunity
to
change
programs,
and
everybody
knows
that
the
library
isn't
constantly
a
state
of
flux
and
that
the
libraries
that
we
have
today
are
not
going
to
be
the
libraries
of
10
years
from
now
and
if
we've
got
the
space
and
we're
doing
renovations.
There
are
opportunities
to
enhance
okay.
E
P
Yes,
man
speak
vacation
of
the
motion
I'm
having
trouble
hearing
myself.
Think
though,
but
I
do
want
clarification.
The
motion,
I,
hope
you'll,
be
able
to
hear
my
question
I'm,
having
trouble
understanding
the
reason,
you're
directing
conversations
in
these
various
directions,
given
that
they
really
are
seemed
to
me
in
conflict
of
option
three.
The
report
is
asking
us
to
adopt
continue
on
the
study
based
on
option
three,
which
means
we've
decided
that
we
do
want
a
museum
in
the
museum
district
on
Bay
Street,
and
we
want
it
to
include
a
library.
P
P
M
M
Of
the
option,
three
no
I
don't
agree
with
that.
I.
Don't
know
why
we
couldn't
ask
the
clerk's
today,
tomorrow,
any
other
day
to
go
and
figure
out
where
these
certain
artifacts
are.
If
you
don't
care
about
the
artifacts
and
don't
support
the
motion,
I'm.
Okay,
with
that
I,
don't
have
a
problem.
I,
don't
see
why
the
conversation
with
the
librarian
about
opportunities
to
have
a
physical
object.
P
I
would
like
why
the
comment
and
I
think
I
almost
have
that
clarification.
What
I
want
I
want
some
clarification
on
the
comment:
you're
not
convinced
this
should
be
on
Bay
Street
I'm
wondering
if
you're
aware
of
the
comments
from
Lord
cultural
resources,
world
leader
in
such
matters,
that
the
reason
we
shouldn't
be
on
the
silos
on
the
harbor
front.
P
A
D
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
want
to
start
by
thanking
all
the
staff
that
are
involved
in
this
in
the
last
term.
When
I
was
the
chair
of
the
government
management
committee,
this
concept
of
doing
something
in
Old,
City
Hall,
was
before
a
government
management.
The
speaker
none
zyada,
mentioned
it.
Facility
staff
came
back
with
a
proposal
to
turn
the
entire
building
into
some
type
of
retail
space,
which
they
were
mandated
to
go
out
and
look
for
something,
and
that
was
their
third
top
option.
D
We
heard
loud
and
clear
from
everybody
far
and
wide
across
Toronto,
former
David
mayor
cromby
stood
out.
We
heard
from
the
downtown
community.
They
did
not
want
more
retail
space
in
Old,
City,
Hall
and
I
agree
with
that,
and
we
sent
it
back,
which
is
why
it's
here
before
us
today
and
one
of
the
things
that
always
stands
out
about
me
for
Old
City
Hall
when
I
come
and
go
across
Nathan
Phillips
Square
to
get
into
this
building.
D
You
can
see
tour
groups
there
from
all
over
the
world
they're
taking
pictures
of
Old
City
Hall
through
the
arches
on
the
pond
at
the
wading
pool
waiting
area.
That's
out
in
front
of
of
this
building,
one
of
the
things
that
you
know
they
right.
They
understand
the
significance
of
it.
They
see
the
beauty
of
the
outside
of
that
building.
One
of
the
things
that
they
can't
do
is
get
into
that
building
for
us
to
even
get
into
that
building.
It's
mainly
used
as
courthouses.
D
We
have
to
go
through
metal
detectors
to
get
into
one
of
the
most
iconic
buildings
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
so
I'm
very
happy
to
support
the
recommendations
before
us.
First
and
foremost,
when
you
talk
about
a
museum
one
of
the
things
that
I
mentioned
an
executive
committee,
the
historian
in
me
that's
seen
firsthand
and
I.
Invite
many
of
you
to
go
and
see
is
the
archives
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
D
You
can
look
through
a
glass
window
and
see
a
five
story:
storage
area
from
floor
to
ceiling
full
of
thousands
of
cardboard
boxes
which
hold
our
history,
the
other
warehouse.
So
we
don't
have
any
X
access
to
its
publicly
closed.
It
has
so
many
important
artifacts
within
the
City
of
Toronto
that
have
a
great
value
to
our
history,
our
archival
staff
heritage
staff.
Don't
even
want
to
tell
you
where
that
warehouse
is
I'm,
sure
everybody
here
seen
Raiders
of
the
Lost
Ark.
D
You
see
that
the
last
episode
where
the
wooden
crate
with
the
Ark
goes
off
into
the
nether
lands
of
a
huge
warehouse
full
of
crates
and
vision.
Another
warehouse
in
the
City
of
Toronto
that
we
can't
see
that's
full
of
them.
That
looks
just
like
that,
but
with
no
crates,
because
we
have
so
many
artifacts
and
pieces
of
our
history
as
valuable
to
our
heritage.
They're,
not
in
crates
they're,
not
in
boxes,
but
they
need
to
be
seen.
There's
been
comments
about.
You
know
we
probably
can't
afford
the
$16.
D
D
The
branch
that's
downstairs
now
I
mean
even
you
might
not
know
when
this
building
open
that
branch
was
20,000
square
feet.
Currently
it's
been
whittled
down
to
5,000
square
feet.
The
branch
downstairs
we
have
a
hundred
branches
in
the
city
of
Toronto.
The
branch
downstairs
I,
think
staff
might
have
mentioned
it.
It's
a
13th,
busiest
branch
in
the
city
of
Toronto
and
our
downtown
colleagues
will
tell
you-
and
we
all
know,
as
the
population
increases
here-
public
trauma,
Public,
Library
branches-
don't
just
aren't
about
taking
out
books.
D
D
That'll
be
incorporated,
I'm
sure
within
that
branch
it'll
be
continued
to
be
done
within
our
branches
in
the
last
component
of
of
Old
City
Hall
being
turned
into
a
wedding,
chapel
I'm
sure
we
all
know,
we've
all
seen
instances
of
wedding
parties
wandering
around
the
Rotunda
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
get
to
the
third
floor
of
this
building,
so
they
can
get
married
having
it
in
a
building.
Old
City
Hall
having
in
a
building
like
that,
the
wedding
chapel
there
I
think
is
a
much
more
conducive
space.
I
think
this
is
a
wonderful
project.
D
J
Count,
sir
viola.
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker
I'm,
a
true
believer
that
for
one
to
know
where
we're
going,
where
we're
heading
and
to
succeed
at
it,
it
is
really
important
to
know
where
we're
coming
from
and
for
me
that's
what
this
space
is
all
about.
It's
to
know
where
we're
coming
from
to
where
we're
going.
J
It's
not
about
art
crafts,
it's
actually
about
learning
about
the
history,
the
struggles,
the
successes
of
our
city,
to
challenge
some
of
that
to
have
the
conversations
about
some
of
these
things
to
create
a
space
where
we
can
deal
with
our
past
to
better
plan
our
future,
and
that
is
why
I'm
excited
about
this
in
in
in
a
city
that
is,
tourism
is
flourishing,
we're
having
sky
numbers,
we
can
tell
the
world
what
we're
all
about.
What
we've
succeeded
in
here
in
a
city
that
50%
of
our
population
is
born
outside
the
country.
J
I
think
it's
extremely
important
to
bring
people
together.
So
this
is
a
space
about
inclusiveness
as
well
and
for
us
to
plan
our
future.
The
partnerships
that
this
this
report
talks
about
with
the
library
with
the
universities
that's
to
plan
where
we're
going.
Let's
talk
about
the
urban
challenges
that
is
facing
our
city,
taking
always
in
consideration
where
the
city's
coming
from
learning
from
what
was
done
in
the
past,
understanding
how
it
influences
decisions
that
that
we
have
to
make
in
the
future.
That's
what
this
space
is
all
about.
I
K
E
A
A
T
N
T
T
N
Would
be
all
stakeholders
all
residents?
All
individuals
of
Internet
have
an
interest
in
it.
We
would
request
the
federal
government
to
do
a
thaw.
Consultation
with
with
all
of
those
groups-
and,
obviously
you
know
Pearson-
is
in
the
middle
of
a
number
of
municipalities,
so
we'd
assume
that
they
would
likewise,
because
the
FCM
has
made
the
same,
we're
doing
the
same
thing
as
the
FCM
as
we
has
recommended
right.
T
N
Were
those
regulation
that
Canada,
for
instance,
would
exist,
there's
there's
no
this
some
countries
have
even
sold
their
navigation
systems,
but
I,
don't
think
the
federal
government
is
looking
at
that
option.
I'd,
so
operations
would
sorry
regulatory
approvals
and
controls
of
airspace
etc
would
remain
in
public
hands.
As
my
understanding
I
do
not
know
what
their
plans
are.
With
respect
to
ownership
of
the
land
saw
my
airports
around
the
world.
The
land
itself
is
also
being
sold.
Ok,.
M
Holiday
questions,
yes,
thank
you
speaker
through
to
the
GM
Pearson
Airport
is
adjacent
to
Ward
3
and
in
fact
it
spans
almost
two
watersheds,
the
typical
Creek
and
the
mythical
Creek,
it's
so
large,
and
it
shouldn't
be
any
surprise
that
the
concerns
around
the
airport
and
its
operations
have
quite
a
breadth
in
my
community.
The
report
speaks
a
lot
to
the
economic
concerns
of
the
airport
in
the
municipality,
but
I
wonder
general
manager.
N
Totally
with
you
counselor
when
they
changed
some
of
the
flight
patterns
a
couple
of
years
ago
right,
we
had
lots
of
complaints
from
lease
side,
for
instance,
South
Etobicoke
other
places
the
quite
a
ways
away
from
this,
but
in
the
airport
that
hadn't
been
used
to
having
jets
fly
over
them.
So
well
aware
that
the
airport
has
impacts
residents
all
across
the
region
and.
M
If
it
moves
to
something
like
a
private
entity
that
may
change
the
relationship
and
maybe
it's
exemptions
from
certain
laws,
so
what
I'm
getting
at
do?
We
have
sort
of
dialogue,
concerns
with
respect
to
noise
and
pollution
that
might
have
a
different
relationship
with
a
private
owner
and
are
we
going
to
include
those
kinds
of
concerns?
In
our
conversation,
we.
N
Would
include
those
kinds
of
concerns
they
can
go
both
ways
counselor,
yes,
because
private
private
organizations
have
sometimes
more
constraints
that
the
right,
the
city
can
put
it's
hard
for
us
to
put
constraints
on
a
federal
government
exactly
there's
all,
but
by
the
same
token
they
may
have
other
freedom.
We
don't
know
what
would
be
involved
in
the
negotiations
between
any
investor
group
and
the
airport.
So
that's
why
we
think
a
huge
amount
of
consultation
is
needed
before
any
decisions
are
made
and.
M
M
From-
and
that
makes
you
at
going
concern
of
the
city
and
subject
to
our
bylaws
and
noise,
bylaws
and
and
all
of
those
things
that
relate
to
industrial
operations
and,
in
addition
is,
there
is
a
contemplation
to
bring
toronto
water
in
on
the
conversation,
because
I
know
that
they
have
a
phenomenal
stormwater
management
facility
that
empties
into
the
creek
system
that
goes
into
this
city,
and
you
know
it's.
It's
quite
amazing
to
see
it.
But
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
management
of
storm
water
continues
really
well
I.
N
M
N
R
N
N
A
You
so
before
we
continue
I
just
want
to
so
we
can
get
rid
of
page
three
on
page
three,
the
top
of
page
three,
which
is
a
couple
deferred
items
that
were
held
down
by
councillor
Robinson
and
I've,
been
told
that
she
is
not
going
to
be
in
she's
sick,
so
she
won't
be
in
for
the
remaining
of
the
council
meeting.
So
I
would
like
to
deal
with
these
two
items.
Now.
A
I
Yes,
madam
Speaker
happy
to
do
so.
This
is
a
matter.
That's
now
been
deferred,
at
least
once,
and
we
have
been
working
really
hard
with
parks,
forestry,
recreation,
as
well
as
a
City
of
Toronto
staff
from
water
to
try
to
do
the
very
best
we
can
to
coordinate
the
ongoing
work
in
the
Vale
of
the
volca
and
to
self
and
to
and
to
make
sure
that
we
we
take
a
look
at
it
from
a
very
comprehensive
model
of
inventory,
making
sure
that
any
type
of
existing
infrastructure
that
may
be
in
those
in
those
lands.
I
We
are
going
to
document
very
carefully.
This
is
all
part
of
a
much
larger
geomorphic
systems,
master
plan,
environmental
master
plan
and
I
can
tell
you
that
Cal
sarmat,
Lo
and
I
have
had
numerous
conversations
both
with
the
community
and
with
city
staff
and
I.
Think
we've
actually
come
to
a
very
good
resolution.
I
What
we'd
like
to
do
is
be
able
to
enhance
the
the
ravine
restoration
and
much
of
the
the
challenges
that
we
are
experiencing
within
the
ravines,
with
the
uncontrolled
water
run
offs
with
respect
to
a
failing
water
infrastructure.
What
we
want
to
do
is
do
the
very
best
that
we
can
to
make
sure
that
the
natural
environment
is
properly
maintained,
but
at
the
same
time
making
sure
that,
where
we
have
opportunities
to
enhance
the
Opera,
the
interaction
with
with
human
behaviors
that
is,
can
be
properly
programmed
moving
forward.
I
A
M
I
No,
of
course,
and
I'm
grateful
for
the
question.
I,
don't
believe
some
of
these.
These
are
clearly
within
the
boundaries
of
the
City
of
Toronto.
We
have
been
working,
and
it's
very
technical
to
be
quite
honest,
but
this
is
why
we've
had
such
lengthy
conversations
that
even
leading
up
to
this
to
make
sure
that
we
get
a
right
oftentimes.
There
is
a
overlap
with
respect,
respect
to
how
the
ravine
system
has
been
layered
with
infrastructure.
But
in
this
case
it
is
not
TRC
a
lens.
M
So
the
the
latter
part
of
the
motion
is
as
quick
as
I
could
read
as
it
went
up
on,
the
screen
does
speak
to
identifying
infrastructure
gaps.
Do
we
have
any
sense
on
if
there
were
gaps
found
how
we
would
pay
for
that,
and
that's
the
the
genesis
of
my
TRC
8
questions.
Generally
speaking,
the
TRC
a
is
a
partner
in
making
repairs
and
fixes
two
Greek
valleys
ya.
I
I
Confirm
that
yes,
so
we've
had
very
deep,
very
thorough
conversations
with
with
City
Park
staff
and
also
the
fact
that
this
is
not
necessarily
advancing
us
to
a
place
where
we
need
to
do
everything
at
once.
Ravine
systems
are
very
complicated.
What
we
do
know
is
that
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
start
at
a
particular
point
and
to
scope
the
work,
so
we
can
get
to
the
outcome
that
we're
looking
for
and
we've
actually
negotiated
and
and
work
really
hard.
So
we
don't.
I
We
don't
we're
not
completely
without
direction,
and
so
that's
why
the
the
recommendations
are
coming
forward
in
the
way
that
they
are,
as
we
want
to
be
able
to
land
at
an
outcome
and
then
determine
what
needs
to
be
done.
Prioritize
the
list
of
assets
and
and
tackle
them
one
at
a
time
it
will
not
be
a
crew
that
goes
in
and
restores
the
veil
of
volca
or
yellow
Creek.
This
is
way
too
big,
and
it
probably
won't
be
done
during
my
time
and
council
or
even
yours
counselor.
To
be
quite
honest,.
M
I
That
was
your
last
question.
Counselor
you'll
probably
recognize
that
we've
had
most
recently
adopted
the
ravine
strategy,
and
that
was
obviously
a
body
of
work
that
identified
a
particular
sites
that
that
needed.
Some
additional
attention
we
just
happen
to
have
a
very
we
were
under
underway
was
a
very
robust
discussion
that
began
literally
years
ago.
The
the
the
exploration
of
doing
this
work
actually
began
even
before
my
time,
I
believe.
So.
This
is
an
ongoing
conversation
in
the
community,
but
we
needed
to
start
somewhere,
and
this
is
actually
a
very
exciting
start.
I
A
You
that
I'm,
counselor
Holliday
being
before
we
continue,
accounted
for
it
being
that
show
we
kind
of
skip
to
that
item
because
counsel
we
were
holding
it
down
for
councillor
Robinson
and
then
went
directly
to
count
to
a
long
time.
I
didn't
get
the
opportunity
to
ask
members
if
they
wanted
questions
to
staff.
So
if
we
have
any
questions
to
staff,
I
will
open
that
up.
You
can
put
your
name
on
your
request
to
question
staff,
because
we
didn't
do
that.
Okay,
so
counselor
for
question
to
the
to
counsel,
Wong
town
right.
T
Now,
thank
you,
madam
Speaker
I.
Don't
know
if
I
benefit
more
questions
to
staff
and
I'll
I'll
ask
the
member.
So
if,
if
the
members
motion
could
be
put
up
on
the
screen,
I
was
trying
to
read
as
quick
as
I
can,
but
one
part
did
catch.
My
eye
about
I
believe
advancing
the
work
on
yellow
Creek
is
that
correct,
counselor.
I
Well,
yes,
counselor!
That
is
a
correct.
The
the
staff
are
prepared
to
to
do
this
work
they're
already
in
the
the
Yellow
Creek
the
Vale
Avoca
area.
They
do
recognize
that
there
are
significant
challenges,
especially
with
a
soil
erosion
collapsing,
a
water
infrastructure.
This
is
an
area
of
the
city
that
used
to
in
some
ways
be
a
landfill.
There
were
train
stations
that
sort
of
rumbled
through
there
was
there,
was
a
creeks
embedded
with
creeks
and
a
lot
of
of
what
we
now
know
has
been
left
dormant.
I
T
And
I
understand:
I've
been
north,
the
12
code.
We
actually
have
you
tober
Creek
and
the
Humber
River
in
the
same
situation,
and
so
I've
had
many
of
site
visits
on
the
creek
with
residents
and
what
I've
been
told
from
staff
is
that
these
are
prioritized
in
the
motion
you
are
advancing.
This
have
have
staff
shared
that
concern
only
why
wouldn't
that
be
yeah.
A
M
Thank
You
speaker,
and
hopefully
this
will
be
quickest
if
I
can
just
ask
Park
staff
to
comment
on
its
the
necessity
of
the
councillors,
motions
and
and
why
they
are
different
than
that
of
the
committee
and
what
the
impact
is
I.
Take
it
that
well.
The
report
says
that
you've
got
a
plan
for
all
of
the
ravines,
and
is
this
somehow
throttling
things
ahead
and
is
that
equitable
for
all
the
other
ravine
needs
in
the
city?
So.
H
Three,
madam
Speaker,
as
councils
aware,
we
have
not
yet
reported
back
on
the
implementation
strategy
and
the
prioritization
framework
for
the
ravine.
The
work
in
this
motion
and
councillor
is
correct.
We
have
worked
with
her
extensively
on
the
wording
of
it
and
you'll
note
that
item
three
in
the
motion
does
speak
to
the
ravine
strategy
and
reporting
back
as
part
of
that
I
can
confirm.
We
don't
have
a
capital
budget
allocated
towards
this
project.
H
Yet
the
work
that
is
described
in
the
motion
is
work
that
will
be
undertaken
at
some
point
in
time,
regardless
of
where
it's
prioritized
in
the
ravine
strategy.
Because
of
the
importance
of
the
work
and
as
the
councillor
has
noted,
it's
not
imminent.
It
is
work
that
will
take
place
over
time,
as
the
studies
indicate
the
priority
of
that
work
and.
T
About
return,
and
just
along
the
exact
same
line
of
questioning
to
my
colleague,
you
know
in
Ward
2
we
have
the
Etobicoke
Creek.
We
have
the
Humber
River,
with
massive
issues
have
been
up
to
many
of
residents.
Homes
which
are
on
the
water,
with
the
TRC.
A
and
I
have
been
told
time
and
time
again
that
there
is
there's
a
priority
list.
Senate
and
and
I
see
that
we
are
advancing
work
on
another
part
of
the
ravine.
Watershed
in
the
City
of
Toronto
and
I
want
to
understand
why,
in
fact,
staff
endorsed
so.
H
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
the
geomorphic
study,
that's
indicated
in
this
motion
is
work
that
has
already
planned
through
the
leadership
of
Toronto
water,
the
rest
of
the
work
that
would
evolve
as
a
result
of
the
geomorphic
study
once
those
results
are
in,
would
then
become
part
of
the
ravine
strategy
implementation.
So
we're
not
looking
at
prioritizing
this
above
and
beyond
any
other
projects.
Some
of
the
work
identified
in
the
scope
is
already
within
Toronto
waters,
work
plan,
and
that
will
help
us
in
actually
prioritizing
it
as
part
of
the
larger
strategy
and.
T
H
The
through
three,
madam
Speaker,
we
are
reporting
back
on
the
implementation
strategy
of
the
ravine
strategy
and,
as
you've
noted,
there
will
be
a
prioritization
framework
with
the
the
the
costs
associated
with
that
implement.
Tation
I
couldn't
give
you
a
scope
right
now,
but
I
can
say
that
through
my
examination,
just
a
veil
of
Avoca
and
yellow
creeks
and
some
of
the
other
ravine
systems.
There
is
a
lot
of
work
that
we
need
to
do
moving
forward
in
the
next
10
or
20
years.
Absolutely.
S
They
showed
us
directly
where
they
had
safety
concerns
erosion
concerns
maintenance
concerns
in
the
availab
Avoca
along
the
Yellow
Creek,
and
then
it
was
really
up
to
us,
as
their
representatives
with
Kessler
wants
him
in
the
lead
to
engage
city
staff
as
their
liaisons,
and
their
advocates
to
then
ensure
that
the
work
that
should
be
done
is
done.
What
was
very
clear
to
us
was
that
staffs
responsibility
is
to
be
equitable
across
the
city.
S
I
believe
that
any
attention
that
we
receive
to
the
veil
of
Avoca
should
also
be
given
to
challenges
in
war
to
and
and
elsewhere.
The
reason
that
this
is
a
standalone
item
is
because
of
the
community
engagement
that
we
responded
to.
It
doesn't
mean,
though,
that
this
isn't
part
of
a
ravine
strategy
to
address
Toronto's
ravines,
no
matter
where
Toronto's
ravines
are.
If
there
is
a
safety
concern,
it
must
be
addressed
immediately.
If
there's
an
erosion
concern,
it
must
be
dealt
with
before
as
Council
wrong.
S
Tam
said,
we
see
Holmes
fall
into
the
into
the
pits
where
there
is
maintenance
and
aesthetic
improvements.
That
should
be
done.
We
need
to
work
on
that
together,
but
that's
what
this
is
all
about,
and
I
just
want
to
commend
staff
for
the
work
they're
doing
both
on
the
yellow
Creek,
but
also
on
a
ravine
strategy.
S
Personally,
as
an
avid
user
of
their
beans
as
a
Walker
myself,
I
really
am
passionate
about
where
we're
going
with
this
and
I
really
respect
and
appreciate
the
work
that
they've
done
and
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
councilor
long
Tam,
who
has
skillfully
navigated
these
waters,
to
ensure
that
the
voices
of
our
collective
community
in
Midtown
Toronto
have
been
heard
and
the
specific
issues
were
addressed.
But
again,
I
just
want
to
reassure
my
colleagues
that
this
is
about
addressing
those
concerns.
It's
not
about.
P
Any
fears
councillor
Robinson
had
held
this
item.
She
wanted
to
do
some
discussions
with
alleged
Ronnie
mo
Chou,
NEWater,
King
and
all
is
good.
All
is
good
with
Park
staff,
always
good
with
China
water.
All
is
good
with
the
chair
parks,
environment.
We
are
good,
so
this
is
a
thumbs
up
positive
vote.
Thank.
E
E
Councillor
mallow
have
worked
very
hard
with
the
ratepayers
in
the
area
who
also
reached
out
to
me
and
offered
to
show
me
the
various
problems
in
the
ravine
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
find
ways
to
develop
innovative
solutions
to
our
problems
and
I.
You
know
I
think
it's
we
needed
to
find
a
way
to
incubate
new
ideas
that
will
help
the
ravines
across.
E
Q
Just
wanted
to
say
that
we
all
know
that
there
is
erosion
across
all
of
our
watersheds
and
that
Toronto
water
is
looking
at
geomorphic
studies
for
all
of
the
watersheds
and
that
we
must,
along
with
dealing
with
the
geomorphic
studies
and
the
challenges
of
erosion,
but
we
also
have
to
look
at
these
ravines
and
repairing
these
ravines,
as
if,
as
the
ravine
strategy
sets
out
to
look
at
all
aspects
of
the
health
of
these
important
green,
this
incredibly
important
green
infrastructure.
The
thing
that
is
going
to
be
the
challenge,
of
course,
is
going
to
be.
Q
How
are
we
going
to
pay
for
it
and
I
think
that's
the
bigger
question
that
we
have
to
tackle
a
budget
time
and
unfortunately
we
don't
have
money
in
the
10
year,
capital
plan
for
a
whole
lot
of
this
water
infrastructure
work
and
we
don't
have
money
in
the
capital
plan
for
our
wet
weather
flow
strategy.
So
I
hope
that
next
time
around
and
I
know
councillor
Burnside
is
concerned
about
the
health
of
our
waterways.
Q
We
have
very
polluted
creeks
right
across
this
city
as
a
result
of
combined
sewer
overflows,
but
we
have
not
yet
recognized
and
put
into
our
budgets
the
cost
of
those,
so
I'm
hopeful
that
next
time
there
is
a
discussion
about
it,
we
can
actually
be
realistic
about
building
a
budget
that
accommodates
all
of
the
investment
that
we
need,
including
our
ravines
geomorphic
infrastructure.
Thank.
L
A
L
A
All
right,
so
our
next
item
is
on
page
three
e
x.
Twenty
point:
three,
three
costs
the
preventing
information
be
released
at
Toronto,
Hydro
counts,
two
perks
held
the
item
down.
Do
we
have
questions
to
stuff,
councilor
Hollett?
Okay,
just
a
sec
counts.
There,
counselor
holiday,
counselor,
perks,
first,
counselor,
perks,.
L
Thank
you
to
the
city
solicitor
in
this.
In
the
response
to
my
inquiry,
Toronto
Hydro
indicated
that
there
they
were
somehow
constrained
by
the
process
through
the
Freedom
of
Information
Officer
at
the
province
that
prevented
them
from
being
able
to
share
the
information,
as
were
the
sole
one
hundred
percent
shareholder
are.
Does
that
constraint
mean
they
can't
share
that
information
with
us.
H
L
L
H
H
L
Under
our
administrative
inquiry
process,
Toronto
Hydro
is
not
covered
and
they
you
know,
gave
us
what
little
they
did
give
us
on
a
voluntary
basis.
But
if
counsel
asks
directly
that's
a
different
process
and
they
there's
nothing
like
the
administrative
inquiry
where
they're
not
found,
they
are
bound
if
counsel
asks
zactly,
correct
or
the
city
solicitor
eye
whomever.
H
A
M
You,
speaker
and
I
just
wanted
to
just
further
a
bit
more
with
Council
percs
was
asking
about
specifically
with
the
solicitor
solicitor
I
wonder
if
you
could
just
confirm
the
shareholder
direction
is
the
main
interface
between
counsel
and
this
corporate
entity,
and
it
provides
a
lot
of
information
about
how
we
interact
with
that
entity.
Am
I
correct.
M
M
Layman's
terms,
that's
what
it
is.
So
what
the
shoulder
direction
you
alluded
to
does
make
provisions
on
a
process
to
access
information
which
is
different
from
the
administrative
inquiry.
I
wonder
if
you
could
elaborate
on
what
the
shareholder
direction
tells
us
as
counsel
that
we
have
to
do
when
we'd
like
to
have
information
there.
H
Is
a
section
in
the
shareholder
direction
that,
and
it's
really
two-pronged
it-
it
contemplates
a
direct
request
from
Council
to
the
board.
Okay,
failing
which
council
can
request
one
of
its
authorized
representatives,
and
in
this
case
it
would
probably
be
the
CFO,
given
the
nature
of
the
information
to
obtain
the
information
directly.
M
M
We
haven't
taken
the
step,
but
but
the
shareholder
direction.
The
document
does
lay
out
the
process
for
that
and
if
I've
got
it
correct,
City
Council
would
make
a
request
of
the
board
to,
as
our
connection
point
to
the
corporation,
a
direction
a
request
of
the
board
to
give
us
the
information.
Yes,.
Q
M
K
H
K
H
K
L
You
very
much
speaker
and
thanks
to
the
legal
team
I
know
that
they've
done
a
lot
of
work
to
make
sure
that
they've
dotted
their
I's
and
cross
their
keys
on
this
one.
This
is
a
very
simply
a
matter
of
public
confidence
in
government
and
public
trust.
I
am
I've
been
surprised
at
the
number
of
people
who
have
got
in
touch
with
me
since
I
filed
this
and
a
previous
administrative
inquiry
who
are
just
flat,
shocked.
Sorry.
L
Just
surprised
utterly
surprised
that
an
agency
that
we
own
100%
of
isn't
giving
us
this
information
and-
and
you
know,
we've
done
our
due
diligence
as
a
council
and
I.
Thank
the
other
members
for
the
questions
that
they
were
asking
of
staff
as
well.
We
have
the
right
to
this
information
and
we
as
the
stewards
of
that
organization,
which,
of
course
is
holds
public
money,
have
the
right
and
the
responsibility
to
know
how
that
public
money
is
being
used.
L
L
The
process
denied
the
process
when
we
file
an
administrative
inquiry,
and
one
of
our
agencies
is
named
is
the
inquiry
goes
to
the
city
manager
and
the
city
manager
then
asks
the
responsible
party
at
the
agency.
That's
what
happened
in
this
instance.
The
city
manager
asked
for
the
information
from
this,
the
CEO
of
Toronto,
Hydro
and
Toronto
Hydro.
You
know,
as
you
can
see
in
the
response,
didn't
feel
that
they
had
to
share
it
with
us.
So.
E
L
L
L
E
B
A
L
A
L
Only
thing
I'm
asking
for
in
this
motion
is
for
Toronto
Hydro
to
tell
us
how
much
money
they
have
spent
on
legal
fees,
fighting
a
freedom
of
information
requiring
a
Freedom
of
Information
requests
from
a
Toronto
media
asking
some
questions:
I,
don't
I'm!
Not
in
this
motion
asking
for
the
substance
of
the
original
Freedom
of
Information
request.
I
am
just
asking:
how
much
do
you
spend
on
legal
fees
fighting
that
freedom
of
information?
What.
L
B
B
On
it
so
help
me
with
my
memory.
Yes,
Toronto
Hydro
was
looking
at
privatization
if
they
were
well,
there
have
been
reports
in
the
press
if
they
limit.
Let
me
finish:
if
they
were,
do
you
recall
them
ever
requesting
of
Toronto
City
Council
for
the
as
the
shareholder
to
even
go
down
that
road
to
look
at
privatizing
any
of
it.
L
I,
don't
believe
there
was
ever
a
direction.
I
do
believe,
though
there
have
been
not
recently,
but
in
in
the
last
term
of
council.
I
do
believe
the
there
was
discussion
of
perhaps
monetizing
assets,
the
remainder
of
our
stake
in
N
wave
and
Toronto
Hydro,
but
that
was
six
or
seven
years
ago.
So
I
don't
believe,
there's
ever
than
in
a
direction
since
then,
I'm.
L
And
and
if
the,
if
the
response
from
council
you're
quite
right,
if
the
response
from
chiron
hydro
is
we've
done
all
of
this
using
inside
counsel
and
that's
just
the
cost
of
doing
business,
then
I
will
be
satisfied.
That
without
explanation,
but
I
have
I
am
of
the
opinion
that
outside
counsel
has
been
retained
and
that
considerable
public
money
has
been
spent.
I
want
to
know
if
that's
correct
a
case
and
I
want.
If
it
is
the
case,
I
want
to
know
how
much
money.
L
T
M
Thank
You
speaker
I,
have
a
motion
that
I
wish
to
have
placed
that
City
Council
referred
the
IDA
to
the
Toronto
Hydro
Board
of
Directors
for
further
consideration
in
accordance
with
the
established
shareholder
direction,
and
if
I
can
elaborate
a
little
bit
about
that,
I've
got
the
shareholder
direction
in
front
of
me.
It's
section
9.3
for
those
that
care
to
look
it
up
and
specifically
section
C.
M
The
shareholder
direction
is
our
interface
with
the
Toronto
Hydro
corporation
and
in
there
there
are
mechanisms
that
allow
counsel
to
access
information
in
the
way
that
we've
been
talking
about
today,
very
specifically,
section
C
talks
about
City
Council
assigning
a
representative,
but
City
Council
takes
that
step.
Only
after
making
a
request
by
City
Council
to
the
chair
of
the
corporation
I.
Don't
think
we've
done
that.
So
far,
there's
been
an
administrative
inquiry
of
these
being
some
back
and
forth.
M
That's
gone
on,
so
my
motion
is
simply
following
the
prescribed
directions
that
are
in
the
shareholder
direction.
You
know
we
have
processes
built
up
I,
don't
know
why
we
would
want
to
deviate
from
them.
This
I
believe
is
in
accordance
with
exactly
what
the
shareholder
direction
is.
I,
don't
think
anyone
has
gone
over
to
the
board
and
asked
them
to
provide
the
information,
and
that's
what
my
motion
right
there
is,
is
to
go
and
ask
the
board
to
provide
the
information.
M
If
counsel
is
not
satisfied
with
the
answer,
then
it
has
mechanisms
right
here
in
the
shareholder
direction.
The
solicitor
commented
on
that
when
I
asked
the
question
she
said
there
are
mechanisms
in
there.
Very
specifically,
if
you
want
to
look
up
the
shareholder
direction,
it
talks
about
appointing
a
representative
that
can
go
and
inspect
the
documents.
I
believe
that
this
is
the
the
correct
motion
to
be
placed.
A
L
A
point
of
order,
Speaker
I
I'm,
going
to
need
you
to
rule
for
me
on
whether
councillor
holidays
motion
is
redundant
in
his
remarks,
he
stated
that
the
the
effect
of
his
motion
would
be
counsel
asking
for
the
information.
The
motion
that
I
moved
is
counsel
asking
for
the
information.
So
if
what
counselor
holla,
if
the
way
counselor
Holliday
described
as
motion,
is
accurate,
it's
exactly
the
same
motion
in
effect
as
mine.
L
R
H
Motion
that
was
placed
by
councilor
holiday
is
a
referral
motion.
It
is
not
the
same
as
the
motion
that
councillor
perks
placed,
which
is
simply
a
direction
to
counter
Anto
hydro
board,
to
provide
information.
So
one
is
a
referral
and
the
referral
motion
would
be
placed
first
depending
on
the
outcome
of
that
vote.
L
M
I
didn't
you've
just
spoken
incorrectly
councillor
perks
with
the
greatest
respect
you
mentioned,
that
that
is
a
request
of
the
board.
The
clerk
just
said.
That
is
a
direction
of
the
board,
which
are
two
entirely
different
things,
and
if
I
can
ask
for
quiet
in
the
room,
I
will
read
the
final
sentence
or
through
a
request
from
City
Council
to
the
chair
of
the
corporation.
That's
what
the
shareholder
Direction
says.
Councillor
purchases
motion
says
direct.
That
is
an
entirely
different
thing
than
in
a
request.
M
L
M
P
P
P
A
P
There
comes
one
that
is
exactly
clarification
of
their
motion,
given
that
our
agent
Peter
Wallace
has
already
asked
Toronto
Hydro
to
provide
this
information
on
November
28th.
Why
are
we
referring
this
to
them?
They
already
have
the
request.
So
if
you
could
clarify
what
more
do
you
expect
to
happen
as
a
result
of
referring
something
from
Council?
What.
M
M
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
M
A
B
Councillor
Holliday,
so
your
perspective
is
that
the
shareholder
xyn
doesn't
should
be
followed
in
getting
this
information
from
the
board.
Yes,
so
if
I
move
a
motion
instead
to
amend
the
shareholder
action,
which
we
can
do
to
require
the
board
to
give
us
this
information,
it
was
satisfy
everything
you
want,
if
council
so
votes
to,
do
that
I.
Do
it
be
a
shareholder
direction
to
provide
the
information
so.
M
B
Process,
not
one
where
the
shareholder
provides
direction
to
the
corporation
and
the
shareholder
is
permitted
at
any
time
to
change
that
direction,
so
to
satisfy
the
little
difference
that
you
have
in
the
motions.
Then,
if
this
council
wishes
simply
change
the
shareholder
direction,
which
is
our
prerogative,
so
we
can
ask
this
information
as
a
directive
I
am
and
then
you
wouldn't
have
to
worry
about.
That's.