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City Council, meeting 44, July 24, 2018 - Part 1 of 2
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A
B
Yes,
madam
Speaker,
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
provide
the
council
with
a
brief
update
on
some
of
the
activities
that
had
taken
place
over
the
last
24
hours,
since
we
were
here
yesterday
morning
in
the
aftermath
of
the
tragic
shooting
on
the
Danforth.
The
city
is
still
clearly
reeling
from
this
and
is
still
in
mourning
over
the
lives.
The
two
innocent
lives
lost
in
this
terrible
act
and
as
well
the
the
traumatic
impact
that
that's
had
on
on
people
and
on
businesses
and
neighborhoods.
B
We
are
particularly
saddened,
of
course,
to
know
that
Rhys
Fallon
18
years
old
and
as
one
of
those
very
engaged
young
people,
it's
obvious
from
reading
about
her
and
hearing
about
her
and
also
a
ten
year
old
girl
were
taken
from
their
families,
and
this
is
something
that
has
been
just
from
being
as
we're.
Counselors,
Fraga,
Dacus
and
and
Fletcher
on.
The
Danforth
last
night
is
very,
is
obviously
deeply
disturbing
to
to
those
to
the
whole
community.
Even
people.
B
Of
course
we
didn't
know
them
will
be
conveying
our
condolences
to
their
families
and
friends,
and
you
know
making
it
clear
that
we,
as
a
council
and
of
the
city
it
together
with
the
other
governments,
are
going
to
do
whatever
we
can
to
to
try
and
address
some
of
the
things
that
led
to
that
that
to
their
loss.
Our
thoughts,
of
course,
also
continue
to
be
with
those
recovering
from
injuries
suffered
from
the
attack
and
with
all
the
first
responders
and
bystanders
who
responded
so
quickly
to
help
their
fellow
citizens,
together
with
the
councillors.
B
If,
like
Fraga,
Dacus
and
Fletcher
I
attended
a
vigil.
Last
night,
there
was
a
full
full
house
at
the
Calvary
Church
and
spent
time
walking
the
street
to
speaking
to
residents
and
one
of
the
things
members
of
council
who
weren't
able
to
be
there,
because
I
apologize
for
the
fact
I
wasn't
able
to
be
here,
but
I
thought
it
was
important.
B
That
I
should
be
there
and
you'll
be
very
gratified
to
know
I'm,
not
exaggerating,
I,
don't
think
when
I
say
there
were
thousands
of
people
on
the
Danforth
last
night
and
that
some
of
the
merchants
and
restaurants
and
others
reopened,
others
did
not,
but
that
there
were
people
there
and
I
think
they
were
there
to
sort
of
say
that
they
were
gonna.
You
know
take
back
the
street
from
the
night
before
and
I
think
it
was
very
important
that
they
should
be
in.
B
It
just
shows
what
a
resilient
strong
city
this
is,
but
also
what
a
resilient
strong
community
that
is,
and
there's
now
as
you'd
expect
some
places
where
people
are
able
to
to
indicate
their
feelings
about
what
happened.
The
police,
of
course,
continue
to
investigate
this
tragedy
and
and
they're
determined
to
provide
answers
as
quickly
as
they
can.
Some
information
was
able
to
be
released
yesterday.
It
is
it's
made
a
slight
bit
more
complicated
by
the
fact
the
siu
is
involved
in
terms
of
who
communicates
that
information.
B
I
would
tell
members
and
I
know,
will
likely
be
sitting,
but
that
there
is
a
vigil
that
has
planned
a
more
public
vigil
for
Wednesday
evening
on
the
Danforth
I
think
it's
planned
for
seven
o'clock,
so
we
will
still
be
here
and
we
can
see
what
we
might
want
to
do
about
that
and
the
BIA
s,
which
we
also
met
with
last
night
councillors,
Fletcher
Frank,
Arrakis
and
myself-
are
planning
some
other
public
activities
for
the
weekend.
I
want
to
thank
the
two
councillors.
B
They
have
been
very
active
with
the
V
IAS
and
with
other
community
leaders
and
doing
you
know
what.
Of
course,
they
would
do
as
the
representatives
to
have
the
healing
process
be
under
way
to
provide
whatever
practical
assistance.
All
community
leaders,
all
neighborhood
groups
and
the
BIA
is
need
in
order
to
try
to
heal
and
to
to
pull
pull
together,
and
there
is,
on
the
one
hand,
a
deep
sense
of
sadness
there,
but
there's
also
a
tremendous
resiliency
in
that
community
as
all
and
people.
B
You
know
quite
sort
of
aggressively
pushing
back
in
terms
of
saying
that
we're
going
to
I
think
the
thing
last
night
was
called
Danforth
strong
that
was
put
up
in
front
of
the
one
of
the
scenes
of
the
tragedy.
Finally,
she
just
report
that
I
spoke
with
the
Prime
Minister
Trudeau
yesterday,
who
indicated
that
his
government
and
he
himself
would
do
whatever
he
could
to
be
helpful
and
then,
subsequent
to
that,
we
had
a
meeting
which
I
think
he
helped
to
make
happen
by
having
Minister
Blair
come
from
Montreal
to
Toronto.
B
For
that
meeting
and
Premier
Ford
was
here
as
well
as
well
as
chief
Saunders
and
I
can
only
say
that
we
talked
about
all
the
different
action
we
can
take.
We
talked
about
police
resources
and
and
helping
with
a
number
of
different
things,
the
chief
outlined
to
to
us
that
he
required,
some
of
which
are
addressed
in
in
discussions
we're
going
to
have.
B
These
are
matters
that
we'll
be
discussing
this
morning
and
I
can
only
say
that
I
think
the
best
thing
coming
out
of
the
meeting
is
that
we're
absolutely
a
hundred
percent
United
in
our
resolve
to
taking
action
in
response
to
a
number
of
things
we've
seen
over
the
last
number
of
months
up
to
and
including
the
terrible
events
of
of
Sunday
night?
Finally,
there
we're
investigating
now
on
your
behalf
whether
or
not
we
can
find
a
way
to
consolidate
some
of
the
funding
very
generous
funding
initiatives
that
are
being
undertaken
by
citizens
out
there.
B
Think
from
the
standpoint
of
both
accountability
and
simplicity
and
and
being
able
to
maximize
the
benefits
it
might
help
if
we
did
something
again
through
the
established
mechanism
of
the
Toronto
foundation,
but
we're
not
trying
to
force
that
on
anybody,
we're
just
trying
to
suggest
it
worked
fairly
well
in
the
first
instance,
and
that
we
might
look
at
that
model
again,
so
that
I'll
have
further
updates
on
that
as
we
make
more
progress.
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
A
Okay,
members
of
council,
we
will
now
review
and
confirm
the
order
paper.
There
are
93
items
left
on
the
agenda
plus
60
member
motions.
Our
first
item
of
business
today
is
the
mayor's
second
key
matter:
item
CC,
44,
point
14
on
immediate
steps
to
address
gun
violence,
and
that
item
will
be
considered
with
item
HL
28.6
on
proposed,
proposed
research
approach
on
exposure
to
community
violence.
Council
will
consider
members
motions
at
2:00
p.m.
if
the
mayor's
keep
matter
is
completed.
A
A
E
F
G
Yes,
speaker
good
morning
on
page
three
I
have
two
items.
The
first
is
e^x
thirty,
six
point:
three:
eight
potential
rooming
house,
property
acquisition
and
modernization
in
Ward,
fourteen
okay
and
the
second
is
IX.
Thirty,
six
point:
five:
zero.
Next
steps
to
acquire
surplus,
alpha,
CBO
site,
eleven
Brock
for
affordable
rental,
housing,
okay,.
A
A
A
A
Next
one
is
mine
as
well.
This
is
for
Hydra
one,
the
corridor
where
there's
a
transformer
being
built
Hydra
one
has
agreed
to
do
all
the
local
improvements
in
the
area,
and
this
is
the
agreement
with
Hydra
one
and
the
city
on
favor
carried
and
the
the
next
one.
This
is
the
first
time
I've
had
any
the
next
one.
A
D
J
I
L
F
A
F
F
M
E
I
A
A
Okay,
well
now
go
to
the
mayor's
key
item,
which
is
CC
44
14,
as
well
with
the
Board
of
Health
item
28.6
we're
dealing
with
both
items
at
the
same
time,
alright
questions
to
staff.
Now
we
do
have
the
chief
as
well
in
the
council
chambers,
okay,
if
I
can
have
members
of
council
to
please
take
their
seats.
Councillor
Fletcher
we're
we're
in
the
middle
of
asking
questions:
okay,
councillor
Chrissy
I,.
D
Thank
You
speaker
I'll,
have
three
sets
of
questions
and
I'll
begin
with
the
first
set
directed
toward
Social,
Development
and
Finance
administration
to
mr.
Brill
injure
in
the
report.
Mr.
Brill
injure
on
the
immediate
steps
to
address
gun
violence.
It
outlines
some
preventative
programs
to
be
rolled
out
over
the
course
of
five
years.
Could
you
just
summarize
so
I'm
not
understanding
in
2018
how
much
money
will
that
cost
in
2019
and
then
in
the
2020
to
24
each
year?
How
much
it
will
cost
the
new
investments
will
cost
through.
K
The
speaker
on
the
intervention
and
prevention
side
of
things,
the
2020
18
cost-
would
be
1
million
and
$50,000
in
2019.
The
total
investment
would
be
twelve
million,
six
hundred
and
fifty
five
thousand,
the
majority
of
which
would
be
requested
from
the
federal
government
and
then
for
the
remaining
four
year
period.
Sixteen
million
so
roughly
four
million
a
year.
So.
D
And
and
the
programs
articulated
I
won't
go
into
the
details
of
them,
but
this
is
expanding.
Pre-Charge
diversion
the
community
crisis
response
team,
the
Youth,
Employment
Program
type
tcht
youth-
for
these
are
the
programs
we
are
looking.
These
aren't
new
programs.
Rather,
we
are
looking
to
invest
in
existing
programs
and
to
scale
up.
Is
that
correct?
That's.
K
Correct
through
the
speaker,
there
have
been
many
pilot
projects
over
the
last
decade.
What
there
hasn't
been
is
ongoing
investment
in
the
kind
of
community
capacity
building
to
prevent
violence,
the
kind
of
intervention
and
exit
support
for
youth
who
find
themselves
engaged
in
gang-related
activity
and
supports
to
communities
who
experience
violence
so.
D
D
K
D
D
C
D
If
the
city
were
so,
we
would
have
to
request
the
provincial
government
to
ban
the
sale
of
ammunition.
Is
that
correct,
okay
and
to
ban
the
sale
of
guns?
We
would
have
to
ask
the
federal
government
all
right.
The
limited
measures
that
we
have
available
to
us
is
it
related
to
zoning,
such
as
using
city
land
for
gun
ranges,
and
that
sort
of
thing
is
that
the
limited
power
we
have
at
this
point?
Yes,.
N
O
D
O
First
and
foremost,
with
the
infancy
of
this
neighborhood
resource
officer
program
and
in
it
it
requires
a
lot
of
measurement
to
make
sure
we
have
it
right.
So
we
can
have
a
better
opportunity
to
articulate
to
the
community
into
the
constituents
exactly
what
the
value
is,
because
that
has
been
a
concern
in
the
past.
With
this
new
model.
O
What
we've
done
is
we've
worked
collectively
with
the
community
to
define
exactly
what
our
role
some
responsibilities
are,
so
we
can
maximize
on
that,
as
well
as
how
we
partner
with
other
agencies
right
across
and
within
each
community.
So
it's
not
a
one-size-fits-all
we're
aligned
with
this
and
starting
in
October.
We
will
have
the
full
plan
in
execution
under
this
new
model
and
that's
why
we're
starting
small
and
having
the
ability
to
build
out
so
that
we
get
it
right.
Thank.
J
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
Speaker
I
guess
I'd
like
to
start
off
my
questions,
probably
most
appropriately
to
the
city
manager,
but
there
have
been
a
number
of
people
working
on
this
file.
I
know,
but
back
in
you
know.
Last
month,
in
the
June
session
of
council,
we
made
a
number
of
requests
to
the
other
levels
of
government
around
amending
summon
the
provincial
and
federal
laws
and
I'm
just
referencing
the
immediate
steps
to
address
gun
violence.
Have
we
heard
back
on
any
of
these
requests,
or
has
there
been
any
conversations.
J
You
so
my
next
question
would
be
directed
to
chief
Saunders
and
Toronto
Police
any
in
one
of
the
reports
in
the
trampling
services,
Bourne
enforcement
investments
to
combat
gun
violence,
I
notice
that
we
are
looking
to
invest
in
the
CCTV
cameras,
as
well
as
the
use
of
shocked,
spawner
totaling,
four
million.
Is
that
just?
Is
there
a
specific
number
going
towards
both
of
these.
P
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
for
the
CCTV
we're
looking
at
a
cost
of
1.3
million
dollars
in
total.
That's
a
one-time
cost
of
about
900
million
nine
hundred
thousand
plus
four
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
on
an
ongoing
basis
to
replace
and
actually
make
sure
that
these
we
can
deploy
them
were
required
on
a
more
mobile
basis
and.
O
Through
you
again,
madam
Speaker,
when
we
talk
about
the
modernization
plan
and
figuring
how
we
can
properly
leverage
technology
to
assist
in
keeping
community
safe,
there
are
opportunities
that
through
learn
processes
in
other
urban
cities
and
I
want
to
be
very
clear.
This
is
an
urban
city.
There
are
different
pressures
that
are
dia
that
we
deal
with.
O
It
provides
two
things
number
one
quicker
response
by
the
frontline
officers,
which
I
think
that
technology,
in
conjunction
with
the
frontline
officers,
we
have
a
better
opportunity
of
getting
to
that
location
and
maybe
identifying
who
the
suspects
are
that
are
involved
in
that
situation,
but
to
understand
shot
spotters
to
the
best
and
most
shortest
line
and
explanation.
It
is
microphone
that
has
the
ability
of
truncating
blasts.
O
So
it's
not
about
having
conversations
or
picking
up
conversations
it
activates
when
there
is
a
blast
that
it
determines,
is
a
cut
from
a
firearm
and
then
what
it
does.
Is
it
truncates
that
for
2
3
seconds
it
triangulates
that
to
geographically
locate
where
that
shot,
exactly
occurred,
giving
frontline
officers
an
opportunity
to
move
to
that
location,
and
so
that
will
assist
us
in
specific
neighborhoods
and
we
can
look
at
that
from
an
intelligence
led
perspective.
O
J
I
think
another
follow-up
question
to
the
chief,
not
specifically
on
shot
spotter,
but
we
aren't
the
only
city
in
the
world
who
faces
gun
crime
and
serious
acts
of
violence.
What
what
works?
What
have
you
seen
through
your
profession?
Chief,
not
other
cities,
have
used.
Other
police
forces
have
used
and
if
there
was
a
request
that
is
or
is
not
in
the
documents
before
us,
an
investment
city
council
can
make
what
what
do
you
think
the
most
effective
investment
would
be.
Thank.
O
You
and
again
through
you,
madam
Speaker,
if
we're
gonna,
get
this
right
this
time,
it's
not
a
matter
to
saying:
there's
crime
police
go
in
and
solve
it.
There
has
to
be
a
collective
approach.
When
we
wrote
this
modernization
plan,
B
wrote
it
with
the
city.
We
wrote
it
with
the
community
and
we're
very
clear
that,
in
order
for
this
to
be
successful,
we
all
have
to
be
collaborative
with
this.
There
is
not
a
one-size-fits-all
I
can
tell.
O
So
looking
at
the
issues
concerning
mental
health,
people
living
with
mental
health
issues,
what
resources
more
programs
in
place
for
that
diversion
programs,
what
are
the
issues
and
concerns
for
that
and
then
at
the
back
end
when
it
comes
to
those
that
have
hit
a
different
stratosphere
within
the
criminal
element,
those
people
that
are
going
to
shoot
other
people.
There
should
be
a
higher
deterrent
factor
for
that,
but
then,
once
they
incarcerated,
we
know
that
90%
of
all
people
incarcerated
at
some
point
in
time
are
going
to
be
released.
O
So
what
happens
then,
when
a
person's
in
jail
for
five
years,
having
three
meals
a
day
and
a
place
to
sleep,
and
then
you
turn
that
person
out
the
door?
What
do
they
do
for
breakfast
the
next
day?
What
are
the
resources
to
train,
get
people
reintegrated
back
into
the
communities?
We
play
the
enforcement
piece
in
this
whole
explanation.
When
it
comes
to
gun
reduction,
violence,
our
role
is
the
enforcement
piece.
Once
people
have
crossed
that
threshold,
we
will
look
for
locate
and
apprehend
and
bring
them
before
through
judicial
system.
O
So
my
short
answer
is:
it
has
to
be
collective.
If
we're
going
to
get
it
right
this
time
and
on
the
other
aspect,
we
have
to
consider
what
we
have
to
be,
what
resources
are
necessary
and
not
just
officers
driving
around
in
circles.
It
has
to
be
intelligence-led
it's
not
about
saturating
communities.
O
A
Q
Den
door
was
open
free
for
all
everybody
who
was
walking
in
they
were
all
sleeping
on
our
mattresses
in
a
one-bedroom,
the
place
was
a
disaster.
It
was
destroyed
and
TCC
can't
fix
it
because
you
can't
evict
the
tenant,
that's
inviting
the
gangbangers
and
inviting
the
people
with
the
guns
into
those
units.
What
restrictions
are
you
having
right
now
to
evict
that
type
of
tenant.
N
Q
N
N
Are
correct
what
we
refer
to
that,
as
is
a
unit
takeover,
and
one
of
the
things
that
have
been
reported
for
approval
today
is
additional
funding
for
Community
Safety
Unit.
One
of
the
issues
that
we
have
is
that
at
any
given
point
in
time
we
only
have
between
9
and
13
special
constables
in
the
road
for
2100
buildings
and
in
104
communities.
N
N
Q
N
Question
through
you,
madam
chair
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
number
is.
But
what
I
can
say
is
that
we
house
four
percent
of
the
operation
and
we
have
a
very
high
percentage
of
vulnerable
tenants,
whether
that's
mental
health
issues
or
drug
addiction,
type
issues.
And
that's.
Why
we're
very
much
looking
forward
to
working
with
the
city
with
respect
to
the
integrated
service
model
for
our
portfolio,
to
make
sure
that
when
our
tenants
need
those
supports,
those
supports
are
actually.
H
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker,
through
you
to
staff
on
our
number
four
first
on
the
recommendations,
it
talks
about
fifteen
million
dollars
to
support
enforcement
initiative,
including
enhanced
surveillance
activities,
and
enhance
community
security
in
local
communities,
most
impacted
by
gun
violence.
This
means
some
concern
around
increased
surveillance,
adding
to
the
profiling
that
happens
in
various
neighborhoods,
particularly
communities
of
color
and
racialized
communities.
Is
the
anti
black
racism
initiative
involved
in
this
process
to
make
sure
that
that
doesn't
happen
through.
K
This
speaker,
a
number
of
key
leaders
in
the
African
Canadian
community,
actually
met
this
past
Saturday.
These
were
business
community
organizations,
public
administration,
artists,
academics,
a
broad
cross-section
of
the
African
Canadian
community.
In
Toronto.
They
asked
for
support
from
the
confronting
anti
black
racism
unit,
which
was
provided.
K
H
A
H
A
K
The
speaker,
there
are
no
confirmed
dollars
referenced
in
this
report.
The
29
million
application
is
due
at
the
end
of
this
month
for
a
five-year
funding
program
that
begins
on
April
1st
2019.
The
report
is
also
seeking
authority
to
request
a
million
dollars
immediately
for
activity
to
begin
in
August
of
2018.
The
15
million
in
recommendation
for
is
also
a
request.
It
is
not
confirmed
there
would
be
pending
council
approval
of
this
staff
would
discuss
with
the
province
whether
or
not
that
funding
can
be
secured.
So.
H
K
Are
in
that
recommendation,
3
refers
to
a
specific
funding
program
for
which
we
have
the
application
and
we
are
completing
it
and
will
submit
it.
Recommendation
4
we
haven't
identified,
identified
a
provincial
funding
stream,
that's
a
conversation
that
would
need
to
happen
with
the
provincial
government,
so.
H
K
N
You,
madam
Speaker,
thank
you
for
that
question.
The
Dan
Harrison
community
pilot
is
one
that
we're
starting
because
it's
a
community
that
has
experienced
high
crime
and
the
idea
there
is
to
do
more
community
policing,
not
inconsistent
with
what
the
police
chief
is
doing
with
respect
to
Toronto
Police
we're
providing
24/7
coverage
in
that
community
and
the
request
that
we
have
for
the
additional
funding
is
to
expand
that
pilot
to
ten
other
communities
that
are
seen
as
high-risk
within
our
portfolio
and
provide
sufficient
coverage
so
that
the
special
constables
are
out
there.
N
H
You,
my
last
question,
might
be
back
to
SDF
a.
There
was
a
report
that
Kmart
a
week
ago
with
talking
to
ten
young
people
who
have
had
repeated
offense
of
firearm,
related
charges
and
and
the
learnings
from
that
is
that
being
incorporated
in
here
and
the
last
question
I
have
after
that
is,
is
for
2018
in
the
appendix
B
we
see
eight
million
dollars
and
seven
million,
almost
7
million
of
that
is,
is
going
into
enforcement.
Only
1
million
going
into.
K
The
speaker
yes,
we're
aware
of
that
report
and
very
much
incorporating
the
learnings
from
that
and
other
community
conversations
and
work
with
ex-offenders
or
youth
who
have
been
through
the
system
and
with
respect
to
the
relative
amounts.
The
enforcement
money
in
2018
has
a
lot
of
capital
investments
that
are
one-time.
That's
why
that
number
is
significantly
higher
than
the
prevention
intervention.
R
O
Well,
access
to
firearms
got
a
stripped
down
and
figure
out
exactly
what
we're
looking
for
I'm
interested
in
people
that
are
motivated
to
purchase
a
firearm
and
use
them
for
criminal
activity,
and
when
we
look
at
that,
when
we
look
at
our
research,
it's
clear
to
us
that
50
percent
of
the
firearms
that
are
used
for
crimes
are
domestic,
usually
straw,
purchasing,
so
lawful
owners
who
purchase
large
amounts
of
firearms
and
then
distribute
them
to
the
criminal
entities
that
are
out
there.
When
it
comes
to
the
distribution
piece.
O
When
we
look
at
borders,
there
are
many
opportunities
in
which
firearms
can
be
transported
across
the
border
to
here
we
have
partnerships
with
those
agencies
and
we
also
have
a
multi
layer
approach
with
our
provincial
counterparts
as
well
as
our
federal
counterparts.
But
the
specific
question
of
my
concern
is
whoever
has
a
gun
in
their
hands
illegally,
using
it
illegally
in
the
city
of
Toronto?
Is
my
bigger
concern
and
I
can
tell
you
it's
about
50
percent
domestic,
so.
R
O
Again,
as
I
stated,
the
purchases
are
lawful.
So
to
say
that
would
be
a
speculation.
Don't
have
the
exact
numbers
on
that,
because,
if
I'm
saying
that
they
can
lawfully
purchase
how
they
purchase
is
a
question
whether
the
purchases
are
here,
whether
the
purchases
of
south-of-the-border,
then
that's
what
you'd
have
to
look
at
so
stripping
it
down
again.
It
still
hits
the
crime
and
the
unlawful
purchasing
fifty
percent.
So.
R
Obviously,
when
there's
an
arrest,
I
guess,
guns
or
guns
are
seized,
they're
held
as
evidence
trial
takes
place
once
the
trial
takes
place
and
a
jury
or
a
judge
has
made
its
decision
and
that
evidence
is
no
longer
required.
What
happens
to
those
guns
once
the
criminal
justice
system
has
taken
its
course?
Thank.
O
R
N
With
respect
to
our
community
safety
unit,
which
is
what
I'm
assuming
you're
asking
about,
we
staff
in
accordance
with
when
we
see
the
prevalence
of
incidents,
so
we
tend
to
put
more
stuff
on
times
where
we
see
most
of
the
incidents
and
to
also
consider
where
those
incidents
happen
across
the
city.
The
challenge
that
we
had
as
I
said
is
that
at
any
given
point
in
time
with
the
current
staffing
levels,
we
only
have
between
9
and
13
special
constables
on
the
road
for
our
entire
portfolio,
about.
R
N
We
do
have
is
that
we
staff
our
client
care
center,
which
is
the
service
center.
Basically
we're
tenants
called
after
hours
and
on
weekends
and
that's
staff
24/7.
When
we
do
have
incidents
or
we
have
need
in
building,
then
we
either
dispatch
one
of
our
own
staff
or
we
have
vendors
on
contract
who
can
attend
to
After
Hours
emergencies,
I.
R
Guess
in
perusing
the
the
number
of
recommendations
here
on
the
yellow
pages-
I-
maybe
I,
missed
it,
but
I
don't
see
any
reference
to
our
local
school
boards.
Maybe
this
is
for
mr.
brill
enger'
is
dropout
rates
school
systems
giving
up
on
kids
that
doesn't
seem
to
be
addressed
here
in
any
way,
and
maybe
the
school
boards
out
of
our
jurisdiction
and
we're
not
engaged
I,
don't
see
a
reference
here
through.
K
R
Very
quickly,
with
very
little
time
left,
mental
health
is
a
key
piece
here
in
many
of
our
diverse
communities,
mental
health
interventions
are
a
taboo.
How
do
you
rise
above
that?
How
do
you
get
around
that
that
pushback
on
mental
health
may
be
our
chief
medical
officer
can
handle
that
because
I
know
there's
enormous
resistance
and
stigma
around
that
instrument.
M
Quickly
through
the
speaker,
you're
quite
correct,
there
is
indeed
stigma
associated
with
mental
health
challenges,
and
it
is
one
of
the
major
factors
that
we,
as
a
system
need
to
address,
and
I
would
suggest
that
that
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
this
collaborative
intervention
that's
being
put
forward
in
front
of
Council.
For
its
consideration
today
addresses
it's
not
a
single
solution.
It
cannot
be
simply
managed
by
health
care.
It
cannot
be
simply
managed
by
any
one
community
agency,
nor
is
it
singularly
under
the
purview
of
public
health.
L
O
But
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
look
at
what
is
a
resource
that
is
necessary
for
today's
pressures
when
it
comes
to
law
enforcement
when
it
comes
to
community
safety
and
when
we
extrapolate
and
look
at
what
our
officers
are
doing
right
now
and
most
of
our
calls
are
non-emergency
calls
and
those
numbers
are
going
up.
I
have
to
ask
the
community
and
I
have
to
ask
you:
should
law
enforcement
be
taking
these
calls?
Are
there
other
agencies
that
can
take
those
calls?
O
Those
numbers
are
going
up
and
when
we
make
those
apprehensions,
I
have
two
officers
that
will
be
sitting
in
a
hospital
for
multiple
hours.
Utilizing
special
constables
for
those
types
of
things
instead
of
highly
trained
police
officers,
allows
more
freedom
and
flexibility
for
my
highly
trained
officers
to
be
doing
what
they're
doing,
as
well
as
crime-scene
protection
having
two
officers
or
four
officers
guarding
a
house
for
a
crime
scene
that
sometimes
can
take
days.
There's
taxing
laborious
and
I.
Don't
think
it
is
the
efficient
way
of
doing
business.
O
L
O
Three
you,
madam
Speaker,
the
moratorium
is
over,
has
been
over
for
quite
some
time.
This
is
about
continuing
hire.
It's
about
strategic
hiring,
it's
going
to
be
ongoing.
It
does
not
stop.
When
we
made
our
pitched
with
the
modernization
report
in
designing
the
model,
it
was
important
to
shrink
so
that
we
could
figure
out
how
to
build
out
properly
with
the
right
resources,
sworn
and
civilian
right
now
in
this
world,
with
a
digital
footprint
and
a
magnitude
of
what's
going
on
from
that
perspective
and
the
new
victims
we're
getting
volume
ously.
O
When
we
look
at
our
aging
demographics,
65
and
older,
the
fastest
growing
demographic
in
Canada,
a
thousand
people
a
day
are
turning
65
I
have
new
pressure
points.
I
have
new
situations
that
I
have
to
do
to
properly
define
Community
Safety,
so
the
strategic
hiring
is
what's
important.
It
is
ongoing,
we'll
continue
to
hire.
We
have
not
stopped
since
we
lifted
that
moratorium
quite
some
time
ago.
So.
L
O
You,
madam
Speaker,
again
as
we
talk
about
modernization,
it's
really
important
again.
I
want
to
talk
about.
I
do
want
to
hire
more
officers,
I
need
more
officers.
We
are
in
a
stage
right
now.
When
we
were
going
through
a
hiring
drive
in
the
80s,
we
were
hiring
in
volumes.
We
were
hiring
in
hundreds
at
a
time
now
these
folks
are
retiring,
and
so,
as
they
retire,
I
need
the
opportunity
to
keep
the
lanes
open
to
hire
law
enforcement
officers.
O
The
numbers
I
would
like
to
have
control
off
because
when
I
define
value
when
it
comes
to
Community
Safety
again,
it
is
what
is
that
resource?
That's
important.
So
when
we
talk
about
having
the
opportunity
of
scrutinizing
technology,
which
now
is
plays
a
much
more
critical
role
when
you
look
at
the
technology,
for
example,
for
the
CCTV
cameras
10
years
ago,
night
imagery
was
horrific.
O
Now
you
can
see
the
high
intense
quality
of
those
types
of
things
week,
capture
that,
but
do
I
want
police
officers
creating
that
stream
of
video
taking
hours
and
hours
and
hours.
The
answer
to
that
is
no
I
need
specialized
people
specialized
roles
in
order
to
enhance
the
capacity
of
what
law
enforcement
can
do
in
today's
environment.
So,
yes,
I
need
more
resources.
A
P
A
E
O
Through
your
man
and
speaker
this
this
is
this,
is
we
have
to
be
careful
when
we
talk
about
the
plan,
the
plan
has
32
recommendations
and
there
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
pointing
towards
one
of
the
32,
which
is
disingenuous.
When
we
talk
about
the
direction
we
need
to
go
when
we
talk
about
numbers,
the
most
important
aspect
is
the
deployment.
How
many
people
in
uniform,
highly
trained
in
cars
are
out
there
on
the
road
and
I
can
tell
you.
O
If
we
look
at
the
past
eight
nine
years,
it
is
being
approximately
at
peak
times,
busine
7:00
p.m.
and
3:00
a.m.
it
has
been
approximately
245
people
I
have
asked
from
day
one.
What
I
need
is
an
opportunity
to
have
the
right
deployment
at
the
right
time,
because
that's
part
of
the
plan
I
don't
have
control
of
the
shift
schedule.
I
do
under
exigent
circumstance,
which
is
why
I've
deployed
this
gun
reduction
plan,
but
I
can
only
do
it
for
a
period
of
time.
The
deployment
piece
is
important.
O
Given
time
when
you
do
the
math,
that's
not
overly
complicated
I
can
do
it
with
my
4,800
right
now,
but
it
is
a
matter
of
looking
at
that
shift
schedule.
It's
a
matter
of
enhancing
my
specialized
constables
as
well
and
layering
that,
on
top
of
it's
a
matter
of
looking
at
the
cause,
we
don't
need
to
do
anymore
or
changing
our
delivery
model
with
those
calls
that
we
have
and
when
we
factor
all
of
those
things,
it'll
provide
an
opportunity
to
have
that
effective
and
efficient
policing
and
also
keeping
a
community
safe.
O
L
O
Deployment
issue
is
my
biggest
concern
and
I
have
no
no
stake
at
making
those
decisions,
that
is
between
my
board
and
the
Association
I
can't
partake
in
that
collective
agreement.
Piece
I
can't
take
part
in
that
shift,
scheduling
piece
I
can
tell
you.
The
Association
is
working
with
us
now
and
and
moving
that
there
is
a
particular
district
right
now
that
we
have
been
able
to
put
a
new
shift
schedule
in
we're.
Looking
at
that,
we
have
to
do
the
research
on
that,
and
then
we
have
to
cascade
that
out
throughout
the
city.
O
So
far,
the
numbers
look
very,
very
good
and
we're
also
looking
at
as
we
have
the
implementation
stage.
When
we
talk
about
how
we
can
plug
in
special
constables.
On
top
of
that,
how
we
can
apply
the
connected
officer
on
top
of
that
using
technology
to
assist
us
in
getting
to
where
we
need
to
get
to
in
the
most
efficient
way.
But
it
is
in
progress
right
now,
I'm
happy
with.
What's
going
on
and
I
think
that
that's
going
to
provide
future
opportunities
in
the
not-too-distant
future,.
L
Okay
and
in
terms
of
some
questions
that
councilor
Sal
spoke
to
non
policing
issues
like
noise
complaints,
parking
issues,
what
is
what
have
you
been
doing
to
try
and
get
highly-trained
uniformed
officers
away
from
that
or
are
you
have
you
been
restricted
from
being
able
to
allow
police
officers
to
deal
with
the
most
important
issues?
What
are
we
doing
to
reduce
the
reliance
on
officers
for
these
non
core
policing
problems
that
we
receive
on
a
daily
basis
and.
O
Through
you
again,
madam
Speaker,
the
reason
we
started
this
modernization
plan.
The
very
first
question
was
that
was
asked
to
me
was:
why
is
this
gonna
work
versus
all
other
reports
and
I
said
because
there's
an
appetite
for
it.
I
said
because
we
have
partners
that
want
to
work
with
us.
We
cannot
do
this
alone
and
one
of
the
biggest
stakeholders,
one
of
the
biggest
partners,
is
City
Hall.
O
So
when
we
talk
about
looking
at
issues
of
3
1
1
versus
9,
1
1,
we
have
a
way
to
go,
but
we
have
moved
towards
that
right
now
and
that
is
looking
successful
and
we're
looking
at
expanding
on
that.
When
we
talk
about
looking
at
the
school
crossing
guards
which
took
thousands
and
thousands
of
hours
of
my
officers,
doing
that,
albeit
incredibly
important,
because
I
have
kids
that
live
in
a
city
as
well
and
I,
know
the
importance
of
them,
but
it
should
not
have
been
in
Toronto
Police
Service
time
after
time.
O
We
put
our
hand
up
for
too
many
things
too
many
times
now
is
to
take
a
serious
look
at
what
needs
to
be
done
from
that
particular
piece.
So
the
level
of
cooperation
has
been
good.
We
it
took
a
while
to
get
going.
There
are
a
lot
of
narratives
we're
trying
to
take
us
away
from
the
target.
I
want
to
reaffirm
that
I'm
committed
to
make
this
work
and
I'm
also
want
to
reaffirm
that
the
city
is
working
with
us.
O
S
You
so
much
speaker,
I
just
wanted
to
bring
to
the
attention
and
the
attention
of
the
chamber
that
we
have
a
class
from
Seneca
York
visiting
us
today
and
assisting
in
this
conversation.
They
are
a
government
really
they
are
studying.
Government
relations
at
Seneca
York
under
the
leadership
of
their
professor
and
group,
ask
they've
come
to
visit
us
here
today.
I
would
like
to
ask
them
to
stand
and
be
acknowledged
for
assisting
us.
In
this
conversation,
please.
P
Okay,
thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
Good
morning,
I'm
gonna
start
with
mr.
Bollinger,
so
the
staff
report
appendix
B
mr.
Latura,
the
section
on
the
prevention
and
intervention
investments.
There's
a
couple
of
questions
on
on
two
of
these
items.
So
item
number
two
that
speaks
to
community
city,
police
and
gang
violence,
interact
intervention
interruption.
P
K
Through
the
speaker,
the
focus
of
this
initiative
is
on
providing
intervention
looking
at
what's
referred
to
as
interrupters
so
developing
programming.
For
those
youth
who
are
gang
involved,
we
need
to
improve
our
ability
to
support
those
youth
when
they
actually
make
a
decision
to
get
out
that
we
provide
an
appropriate
wraparound,
secure
exit
from
activity
and.
K
K
P
K
K
I
would
highlight
that
one,
because
the
design
of
the
focus
program
and
it's
been
evaluated
and
tested
and
proven
effective,
is
to
take
those
youth
who
are
engaged
with
Toronto
Police
Service
and
move
them
to
a
more
appropriate
service
provider
to
make
sure
they
don't
need
to
be
in
contact
with
Toronto
police.
Sir.
P
Alright,
thank
you
I'm
running
out
of
time
very
quickly
and
are
there
going
to
be
supports
for
existing
programs
that
we
know
are
good
programs
today,
like
Albion
neighborhood
service
programs
that
are
currently
operating
and
Mercia
Brown's.
Ladies
on
the
rise
and
then
of
distinction
type
programs,
will
there
be
opportunities
for.
A
P
O
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
that's
that's
correct,
counselor.
It
is
a
starting
point
and
just
to
be
very
clear,
it's
not
that
this
ends
after
eight
weeks.
This
will
be
continuous.
This
will
be
ongoing.
We've
got
a
strategic
measures
with
what
we
have
to
do.
There'll
be
continuous
measurements
to
see
whether
or
not
we
are
in
the
right
place
at
the
right
time.
P
O
Well,
I
can
right
now
from
an
enforcement
piece.
We
have
we
started
this
in
June
of
this
year.
We
have
seized
over
80
guns
a
year
to
date,
there's
still
a
lot
more
to
go.
I
don't
want
to
define
success
on
commodity
base,
because
that
could
be
an
error.
If
we
keep
focused
on
that,
but
I
can
tell
you.
The
neighborhood
officer
program
is
expanding.
We're
learning
we're
growing,
looking
at
the
partnerships
that
we
have
with
focus
and
a
whole
host
of
other
things.
O
You
again,
madam
Speaker.
It
is
right
across
the
entire
city
at
this
point
in
time
and
when
I
made
the
declaration
of
what
we're
going
to
do.
It's
very
fair
when
I
said
that
what
we
will
do
is
we'll
start
out
right
across
the
city,
however,
having
the
ability
of
allocating
resources
where
they're
needed
is
going
to
be
the
key
to
our
success.
O
A
T
O
Through
you,
madam
Speaker
and
I
hope
we're
going
to
get
into
the
solutions.
Let's
be
very
clear,
there
are
firearm
issues
that
are
going
out
throughout
the
city.
There
always
has
been
it's
an
urban
city
of
2.8
million.
If
we
compare
our
stats
to
other
urban
cities
and
I'm
very
cautious
when
I
say
urban
cities,
if
we're
going
to
do
apples
to
apples,
then
we
can
have
a
healthy
discussion.
O
When
we
talk
open
city,
when
we
look
at
our
numbers,
sir,
our
numbers
are
good
right
now
the
public
doesn't
want
to
hear
that
right
now,
but
the
public
is
concerned
with
it
is
my
daughter,
okay
to
get
on
a
subway
and
go
to
work
so
safely,
and
so
what
we
have
to
do
right
now,
which
is
why
I've
put
those
reinforcements
in
through
City
helping
us
out
with
a
funding
piece.
We
have
to
calm
things
down.
T
O
Madam
Speaker,
yes
and
my
narrative
has
always
been
the
same
Street
gangster
culture
plays
a
different
element
when
it
comes
to
crime
and
disorder,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
are
necessary
in
order
to
properly
defeat
that
I
don't
want
to
oversimplify
it
by
saying
enforcement
as
a
key.
It
is
one
element
of
a
whole
host
of
other
things.
If
we're
going
to
get
this
right
before.
T
O
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
when
we
place
in
today's
environment,
it's
not
what
we
do,
it's
how
we
do.
What
we
do
is
the
measurement
of
success.
We
understand
and
we
identify
that
with
every
decision
that
we
make.
We
have
to
measure
social
cost
with
everything
that
we
do.
There
was
a
concern,
which
is
why
we
are
here
today.
I
can
tell
you
that
we
have
resources,
sort
of
specialize
with
street
gangs,
subculture
and
I
can
tell
you
from
a
uniform
component.
We
have
that
and
from
a
specialized
component.
O
We
have
that,
but
to
look
at
this
problem
and
if
we're
going
to
get
it
right
again
and
and
and
I
want
to
be
very
clear
on
this.
If
everybody
keeps
pointing
to
one
entity
to
say
solve
this
problem,
we
are
gonna
fail,
which
is
why,
when
I
put
this
out
and
when
I
spoke
about
this
months
ago,
I
said
it
has
to
be
collective.
What
we're
going
to
be
successful,
so
I'm,
hoping
that
the
scope
that
we're
gonna
discuss,
talks
about
the
bandwidth
and
a
proper
bandwidth
if
we're
gonna,
be
getting
it
right.
T
The
police
community
partnerships
played
a
key
role
so
within
that
preamble,
when
you
were
the
superintendent
of
xx
vision,
how
do
you
think
that
working
with
the
grassroots
of
the
communities
in
partnership
with
the
police,
where
you
have
the
eyes
and
the
ears
of
our
local
communities,
playing
a
key
role?
How
do
you
think
that
concept
could
play
across
the
city
and
perhaps
in
terms
of
implementing
what
we
have
thank.
O
You
again
to
you
manage
speaker,
it's
important,
which
is
why
I've
executed
the
modernization
plan.
If
you
read
the
plan
to
its
fullest,
it
is
community.
Centric
I
say
that
within
the
first
couple
of
pages.
That's
why
we
worked
with
the
community.
That's
why
we
went
right
across
the
city,
north,
south,
east
and
west
had
those
consultations
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
it
right.
If
we
don't
plug
in
the
community,
we
are
not
going
to
be
successful.
N
To
the
extent
that
we
can
we've
been
implementing
measures
to
deter
crime,
we
have
a
number
of
initiatives
underway,
so
each
of
our
buildings
does
have
security
provisions
and
access
control.
We've
been
adding
over
4,000
CCTV
cameras
and
we're
also
adding
additional
external
lighting
to
all
our
buildings.
M
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
know
policing
is
an
element
to
some
of
the
solutions,
but
I
want
to
talk
more
about
the
preventative
measures
that
need
to
be
in
place
in
terms,
and
most
of
this
will
be
to
you,
Chris
in
terms
of
the
crisis
response
team.
Can
you
tell
me
how
long
this
team
works
with
communities
after
an
incident.
K
Through
the
speaker,
yes,
enhancement
of
those
kinds
of
supports
that
are
typically
provided
in
coordination
with
public
health
and
Victim
Services,
we
would
hope
to
expand
those
kinds
of
supports.
The
issue
for
the
crisis
response
program
is
the
number
of
incidents.
We
simply
don't
have
the
resources
to
respond
to
the
volume
I've.
M
Been
attending
a
lot
of
youth
meetings
and
what
we're
really
good
at
is
providing
youth
programming
for
those
youth
who
want
to
be
engaged.
Is
there
a
concentrated
effort
to
reach
the
hard-to-reach
youth,
and,
if
so,
is
there
any
immediate
initiatives
that
could
be
addressed
regarding
high-risk
youth
through.
K
The
speaker,
that's
really
initiative
to
in
Appendix
B
and
again
that
population
I
was
speaking
to
who
are
the
most
complex
to
serve
those
who
may
in
fact
be
gang
involved,
the
kinds
of
skills
and
knowledge
required
to
effectively
support
that
group
are
significant.
We
need
to
create
that
kind
of
programming.
Okay,.
M
Great,
thank
you,
and
just
as
a
child,
I
grew
up
in
poverty
and
I
know.
There's
many
stresses
of
poverty,
so
the
preventive
measures
that
I'd
like
to
advocate
for
I
know.
We
talked
a
lot
about
mental
health,
especially
with
adults
and
some
vulnerable
populations,
but
in
terms
of
children
you
know.
Are
we
seeking
more
funding
for
mental
health
supports
for
children
and
youth,
in
particular,
for
those
living
in
poverty?
So.
C
M
Can
speak
to
that
through
the
speaker?
We
are
indeed
working
with
healthcare
partners
and
other
community
partners
to
ensure
that
those
resources
are
available
and
as
far
as
public
health
is
concerned,
one
of
our
major
areas
of
focus
is
on
actually
creating
optimal
childhood
experiences,
and
you
know
optimizing
early
childhood
development.
This
is
work
that
we
undertake
with
partners,
including
our
partners
in
Children's
Services,
in
order
to
try
to
prevent
these
incidents
and
the
circumstances
that
lead
to
them
in
the
first
place
and
in
terms
of
counseling
for
people
who
are
victim
of
gun
violence.
K
M
Then
just
a
final
comment
for
you:
Chris,
a
natural
partner
would
be
Toronto
housing
in
a
lot
of
these
initiatives.
Would
you
agree
that
a
natural
partner
will
continue
as
Toronto
housing
has
in
initiatives
like
coda,
which
provides
supports
to
people
living
with
mental
health,
continued
to
be
supported
through.
K
M
O
Through
you,
madam
Speaker
you've
raised
some
very
good
points:
understanding
when
the
police
have
to
be
in
an
environment
for
a
long
period
of
time.
That
is
a
clear
sign
that
there
are
many
other
entities,
many
other
agencies
that
have
failed,
that
community,
so
I
don't
mind
where
we
need
to
be.
But
I
do
want
to
understand
that
narrative
that
it
is
collective.
If
we're
going
to
get
this
right
and
right
now,
a
lot
of
agencies
are
a
lot
of
communities
that
are
in
need
need
a
lot
of
other
resources
before
the
police.
F
You
very
much
mem
speaker
and
through
you
too,
to
the
Chief
of
Police
in
2012,
the
Harper
government
dismantled
the
long
gun
registry
and
destroy
intentionally
destroyed
its
data
and
since
then,
I
think,
we've
seen
in
in
an
influx
of
a
number
of
handguns
and
salt
rifles,
as
well
as
as
well
as
a
semi
automatics.
Is
this
correct
I.
O
Am
I
have
through
you,
madam
Speaker
I'm,
very
cautious
when
I
want
to
start
to
criticize
government
and
law
I
have
to
stay
nonpartisan,
whatever
the
law
is,
is
what
I
will
respect
and
I
will
deal
with?
I
can
tell
you.
There
are
a
whole
host
of
reasons
that
are
the
causes
as
to
why
firearms
are
being
here.
O
F
Appreciate
that
very
carefully
worded
answer,
if
I
may
I'm,
just
gonna
ask
a
little
bit
since
since
we're
talking
about
guns
and
I,
think
you
can't
talk
about
guns
and
gun
violence
I
prefer
not
to
use
the
word
gunplay,
but
we
can't
talk
about
that
right
now.
Without
talking
about
gun
control
and
in
Canada
the
gun
control
laws
have
been
dramatically
eroded.
Since
2012,
the
new
Liberal
government
has
put
forth
a
bill
called
bill,
c71,
which
specifically
tries
to
tighten
and
re,
strengthen
the
gun,
control
laws
that
have
been
eroded.
Are
you
aware
of
that.
O
When
we
talk
about
gun
control,
we're
talking
about
law-abiding
citizens
that
have
respect
for
the
law
and
utilizing
firearms
in
accordance
with
law,
that's
not
my
issue.
My
issue
are
those
members
of
the
community
that
use
guns
for
a
business
process
that
are
willing
to
shoot
other
people
with
no
regard
for
a
community,
no
regard
for
environment
no
regard
for
anything,
but
that
situation
at
hand.
F
You
very
much
chief,
that's
a
so
so
we'll
stricter
gun
control
in
Canada
help
us
eliminate
the
number
of
guns
on
the
streets.
If
we
had
stronger
background
checks,
making
sure
that
people
with
a
history
of
perhaps
violence
and
mental
health
and
domestic
violence
are
do
not
obtain
long
guns,
assault
rifles,
semi-automatic
and
handguns.
Do
you
think
that
will
eliminate
some
of
the
gun?
Violence
that
we're
seeing
again.
O
F
Thank
you
very
much
for
those
interesting
answers
with
respect
to
shock
spotter.
Do
you
have
any
concerns
that
were?
Do
you
share
the
concerns
that
were
raised
by
the
Canadian
civil
liberties
Association?
That
incident
specifically
that
certain
communities
will
become
over
police
over
surveillance
and
that
perhaps
there
could
be
some
constitutional
infringement
there.
O
When
we
use
the
technology
I'm
concerned
not
about
the
tool,
but
how
the
tool
is
used
and
I
want
to
be
very
careful
and
I
want
the
public
to
know
that
this
is
not
about
surveying
community.
That
was
not
the
intention,
nor
will
we
be
doing
it
for
that,
whether
we
like
it
or
not,
there
is
gunplay
in
the
city
and
we
can
through
intelligence-led
components
we
can
identify
the
areas
of
the
city
that
have
high
rate
of
gunplay
or
gunfire.
This
instrument
is
used
to
measure
the
bang.
The
blast
thank.
F
You
very
much
if
I,
if
I,
can
just
redirect
that
same
question
to
the
team
on
my
right-hand
side.
Do
you
share
any
of
the
concerns
of
the
Canadian
Civil
Liberties
Association
about
this
particular
technology
spot
shooter
and
that
perhaps
it
may
they
that
it
could
be
viewed
as
over
policing,
certain
communities
and
perhaps
in
pin
and
pending
on
constitutional
rights?
Last
question.
K
Q
Q
Is
it
fair
to
say
that
the
tools
that
some
urban
cities
have
relative
to
us,
the
City
of
Toronto,
are
somewhat
different
by
that
I
mean
they
may
very
well
have
a
package
of
prevention
programs
like
ours
as
effective
as
ours,
but
on
the
enforcement
end
as
deterrence,
because
I
always
have
to
look
at
what
existing
deterrence
are
are
of
assistance
to
us
in
enforcing
or
at
least
and
in
making
our
prevention
programs
even
more
effective.
So
what
are
the
deterrence?
Q
O
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
the
the
deterrent
factor
is
there,
but
I
think
we
need
to
be
better
aligned
and
so
what
mechanisms
we
can
put
in
place
to
to
have
and
encourage
that
alignment
is
going
to
be
necessary.
There
are
some
noticeable
gaps
right
now
and
I
think
that
strategically.
If
we
have
the
opportunity
of
being
in
the
right
room
with
the
right
entities,
we
can
collectively
have
the
right
decisions.
I
agree
with
you
in
the
sense
that
you
know
crime
is
not
necessarily
crime
certain
crimes.
O
There
are
deterrent
factors
that
we
can
do
from
a
diversion
piece
and
help
improve
on
decision
making
processes.
But,
as
I've
stated
before,
it's
a
different
stratosphere
when
a
shoots,
B
and
I
do
think
that
there
needs
to
be
a
different
level.
There
needs
to
be
a
deterrent
factor,
but
that
deterrent
factor
also
has
to
come
in
a
company
with
what
can
we
do
from
that
rehabilitation
piece?
Because
if
we
don't
look
at
everything
with
equal
ownership,
we're
not
gonna
succeed.
Q
Agreed,
but
in
the
context
of
rehabilitating
someone,
a
huge
factor
in
that
process
is
the
mindset
that
someone
comes
out
of
or
when
they
are
being
rehabilitated,
let's
suppose
the
guys
incarcerated
for
five
years
as
opposed
to
ten
years.
My
issue
is,
in
my
own
experience
that
if
somebody
after
10
years,
they
come
up
with
a
different
mindset,
perhaps,
and
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
dry
that
in
terms
of
how.
Q
Well,
I'm
trying
to
ask
a
question
in
the
proper
context,
so
that's
basically
the
way
I'm
looking
at
deterrence,
because
so
would
you
agree
with
me
that
we
have
to
look
at
because
we're
dealing
with
something
that
doesn't
seem
to
go
away?
I
mean
I
had
a
shooting
yesterday
afternoon
in
my
area
they
don't
go
away
and
I
deal
with
a
lot
of
them.
So
I
know
in
my
own
background,
and
it
doesn't
matter
how
much
you
try
and
motivate
people
doesn't
matter
how
you
have
prevention
programs.
Q
O
And
through
you,
madam
Speaker
I
do
not
disagree.
There's
a
there
is
an
entity,
albeit
very
small,
that
are
violent
to
the
point
where
that
the
term
piece
just
might
not
be
there,
and
so
the
safety
mechanism
is
making
sure
that
they
are
not
putting
other
people
in
harm's
way.
It
is
a
small
entity.
I
do
agree
with
you.
Having
worked
homicide
I've
met
some
of
those
individuals
that
have
killed
multiple
people
and
I'm,
not
sure
putting
that
person
back
in
the
community.
Again
we're
going
to
be
able
to
have
the
proper
tools
for
that.
O
Q
Last
question
I
have
of
you:
is
this
a
lot
of
times
I'm
told
by
police
officers
or
people
that
I
deal
with
that
they
are
aware
of
who's
causing
the
problem,
but
for
whatever
reason,
they're
not
able
to
deal
with
them
or
put
them
away
or
does
that
come
from?
Is
that
part
of
the
judicial
sort
of
constraints
that
are
in
place?
Three.
O
Madam
Speaker,
that
is
the
law.
I,
can
tell
you
with
almost
all
of
the
shootings
across
the
city.
The
police
service
knows
who
shot,
who
but
meeting
the
threshold
to
bring
down
before
a
judicial
system.
There
is
not
enough
evidence
having
information
having
intelligence
versus
facts
and
evidence
is
what
delineates,
whether
or
not
incarceration
or
bringing
some
before
the
courts
is
going
to
happen
or
not,
and
a
lot
of
the
times
we
know
who.
But
we
don't
have
the
threshold
to
bring
in
before
court.
No.
P
P
Do
you
feel,
do
you
feel
that
your
officers
are
adequately
equipped
to
do
the
on
the
street
investigations?
I
mean
I
recognize
that
there
that
this
is
that
there's
more
than
one
solution
to
the
problem.
It's
a
complex
problem
with
many
facets
required
to
address,
but
do
you
feel
that
gang
members
are
more
brazen,
since,
since
council
and
since
the
province
sort
of
handicapped
you,
by
by
making
restrictions
on
on
on
the
street
checks.
O
Three
you,
madam
Speaker.
There
are
a
whole
host
of
reasons
councilor
that
has
caused
this.
That
may
or
may
not
be
a
factor,
but
I
can
tell
you
that,
in
order
to
be
specific,
if
we're
looking
at
how
we
can
reduce
the
gun
violence,
it
is
a
combination
of
not
just
uniformed
presence,
but
also
having
officers
and
entities
that
are
specialized
in
understanding
gang
subculture
and
then
creating
what
plans
are
necessary
to
put
in
place
to
be
surgically
able
to
remove
them
from
the
community.
O
If
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
regulated
interaction,
I
do
appreciate,
where
you're,
coming
from
understanding
that
the
product
of
the
day
and
when
you
look
at
what
the
concern
was
equate
it
to
herring
that
a
herring
that
does
its
job
and
it
does
it
very
effectively
catches
hundreds
of
thousands
of
herrings,
but
it
also
catches
the
sea
turtles.
It
also
catches
the
Dolphins.
Those
were
the
beacon
points
that
caused
the
social
cost.
Those
are
the
points
that
resonated.
O
P
Me,
let
me
ask
the
question,
because
I,
the
the
chief
of
the
appeal
region,
police
force,
Jennifer
Evans,
says
I,
believe
there
are
more
people
carrying
knives
and
guns
than
ever
before.
Do
you
feel
that
gang
members
and
and
people
that
engage
in
gun,
violence
or
more
brazen
than
they
have
ever
been
in
three.
O
Madam
Speaker,
the
street
gang
subculture,
is
a
very
brazen
culture.
You
read
the
headlines
and
you
see
what's
going
on.
That
is
why
we
have
this
gun
reduction
strategy,
specifically
because
we
know
that
most
of
the
gun,
gun
situations
have
occurring
in
a
city.
I
can
only
say
two
percent
of
the
gun.
Situations
that
were
shot
so
fired.
I
can
only
say
two
percent
do
not
relate
to
street
gang
activity.
What.
P
P
O
P
I
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
Speaker,
for
for
the
opportunity
and
thank
you
to
the
police
chief
for
being
here
today.
My
questions
mostly
are
around
this
ShotSpotter
technology,
because
it's
there's
very
little
information
in
the
report
itself
and
it
seems
to
have
just
been
walked
on
as
an
item
at
the
Police
Services
Board,
and
that
that
concerns
me
a
little
bit,
but
there's
there's
very
little
on
it
in
in
the
report.
So
how
does
it
work?
You
could
explain
it
to
me
and
in
under
a
minute,
because
I'll
only
have
five
questions
that
way.
I
O
You
and
III
agree
with
you
and,
and
there
is
a
concern
because
of
the
accidents
manner
in
which
it's
made
itself
here.
One
of
the
things
that
I'll
definitely
do
is
make
sure
that
there
is
more
awareness
to
the
public,
so
they
can
be
familiar
with
the
technology.
It's
technology
that
understands
blast
and
delineate
whether
the
blast
is
a
firearm
or
not.
Has
a
high
percentage
of
identifying
firearm
situations
when
a
gun
is
shot.
It
triangulates
and
locates
that
the
spot
within
a
couple
of
feet
as
to
where
that
shot
was
fired.
O
So
now
we're
not
dependent
on
whether
or
not
people
are
going
to
make
the
phone
call
and
really,
by
the
time
that
phone
call
makes
it
to
the
front
line.
People
in
today's
environment,
you're
looking
at
about
a
minute
and
a
half,
so
the
difference
between
getting
that
information,
a
min
and
a
half
versus
a
few
seconds
provides
an
opportunity
for
us
to
be
in
that
location,
to
see
exactly
who
is
in
that
area
and
make
determinations
based
on
probable
cause
on
what
our
actions
are
going
to
be.
O
I
O
O
I
I'm
having
trouble
finding
that
on
their
website
about
how
this
exactly
works,
how
they
don't
collect
other
information,
I'm,
also
I'm,
also
finding
it
difficult
about
who
owns
the
data
at
the
end
of
the
day.
Do
you
know
if
it's
a
City
of
Toronto
or
or
ShotSpotter
that
actually
owns
that
the
data
that
we
produce
and.
O
Get
through
your
madam
Speaker,
we
are
responsible
accountable
for
it,
so
I'm
going
to
suggest
that
it
is
going
to
be
it's
around
a
police
service,
understanding
and
recognizing
empathy
and
fit,
and
all
those
other
legal
aspects
of
information
when
it
comes
to
public
domain.
And
so
as
we
move
forward
that
messaging
piece
and
that
familiarity
and
understanding
is
obviously
necessary
for
us
to
get
that
message
across
to
help
eliminate
any
issues
of
concerns
that
the
community
may
have
so.
I
In
this
Forbes
magazine
article
that
councillor
may
have
exceeded
I
draw
every
look.
I
think
everyone
should
really
take
a
read
of
this
I
think
it
is
important
that
we
at
least
understand
where
some
questions
are
being
asked.
They
look
at
these
there
there's
a
high
rate
of
false
calls
or
false
indications.
I,
don't
know
what
to
call
it,
but
there
seems
to
be
a
high
rate
of
false
identification
of
gunshots.
I
To
you
is
there
data
to
suggest?
Is
it
like
it
outlines
30
to
70
percent
I
can
imagine,
that's
gonna
make
your
officers
pretty
difficult
if
it's
up
towards
the
70%,
but
if
it's
down
towards
30
might
be
a
bit
more
efficient
to
have
you
been
given
any
indication
about
from
ShotSpotter
about
how
how
accurate
it
is.
O
And
through
you,
madam
Speaker
again,
it's
it's
not
a
one-size-fits-all
understanding.
What
the
environment
is,
where
it's
located
there
going
to
be
things
that
are
going
to
give
false
negatives
and
that's
going
to
be
based
on
location
and
all
a
host
of
other
factors
which
we
have
to
look
into
when
we
make
the
determination
what's
most
important
is
how
my
officers
respond,
how
they
behave
and
making
sure
that
they
are
in
accordance
with
law,
on
the
decisions
that
they
make
in
at
any
given
moment
and.
I
I,
don't
doubt
that
if
it
was
a
hundred
percent
right,
then
that
would
be
a
really
efficient
use
of
your
officers
time.
The
question
that
this
article
raised
is
how
often
it
is
right
could
I
ask
the
city
manager
one
question
about
procurement,
this
technology,
this
would
be
a
sole
source.
How
long
does
it
take
to
procure
a
sole
source
technology
like
this?
How
what
was
the
time
lag
be
in
us
if
we
approved
it
today
and
us
actually
having
an
agreement
signed
with
this
company.
C
So
through
the
speaker,
I
would
a
sole
sourcing
that
generally
goes
much
quicker,
quicker
than
a
regular
competitive
bid
process.
However,
we
would
have
to
negotiate
the
terms
of
the
operating
agreements,
because
there
are
costs
not
only
with
the
price
of
buying
the
technology,
but
how
we
maintain
and
operate
it
in
the
future.
I
would
think
that
normally
those
types
of
agreements
would
take
a
few
weeks
to
negotiate,
but
we
would
move.
We
understand
the
importance
of
this
and
we
would
move
as
quickly
as
possible.
Thank.
E
J
Thank
you,
I'm,
going
to
focus
on
the
funding,
understanding
that
the
funding
tells
you
how
you're
going
more
than
the
words
that
precede
it
so
first
to
s,
DFA
as
I
understand
it
there's
a
30
million
dollars
that
is
big
ear
marked
over
the
next
six
years.
How
much
of
that
is?
This
is
for
yours.
This
is
for
your
side
of
the
equation.
Is
that
fair,
mr.
Burlington,
brilliant
chair,
the.
K
J
K
J
Thank
you
very
much
on
the
policing
side
or
the
enforcement
side
of
things
I'm.
Looking
at
these
sheets
here,
mr.
police,
chief
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
I,
because
there
seems
to
be
different
than
numbers
here
so
ShotSpotter
weird
title
seems
like
at
one
point.
It
says
the
capital
investment
for
five
square
kilometers
is
six
hundred
sixty
thousand
dollars
and
then
in
another
section
it
says
690
k
per
square
mile
per
year
and
at
a
and
only
a
ten
thousand
dollar
US
per
square
one-time
service
initiation
fee.
J
So
can
I
ask
this
what
what
and
then
the
operating
costs
one
place.
It
says
ten
thousand
no
place.
It
says
six
hundred
thousand
dollars.
So
what
is
the
capital
cost
you're
looking
at
five
square
square
miles
that
that's
your
first
just
so
to
be
clear
on
that
five
square
mile
and
sorry
and
what's
the
capital
cost
so.
P
Square
miles
and
then
that
then
there's
an
annual
operating
cost
of
six
hundred
thousand
dollars.
So
in
year
one
we
added
that
operating
cost
to
the
capital
cost
so
for
a
total
cost
of
1.2
and
then
from
ongoing.
You
would
have
to
pay
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
maintain
that
that
product
for
those
five
square
miles,
I.
J
P
J
P
My
understanding
is
that
we've
identified
an
additional
cost
that
we're
going
to
require
to
run
this
program
during
the
summer.
For
eight
weeks
we
will
attempt,
as
best
we
can,
to
accommodate
that
within
our
current
approved
budget.
We
did
not
budget
for
this
amount
and
then
we'll
have
discussions
with
city
finance.
At
your
end,
if
additional
monies
are
required
to
actually
help
fund,
it
I
see.
J
O
Three
mr.
speaker,
I
have
spoken
with
other
chiefs
and
and
addressed
some
of
the
issues
and
concerns,
one
of
them
being
the
privacy
issue,
with
respect
to
what's
going
to
be
happening
in
Toronto
working
with
the
board
and
ensuring
that
we
meet
all
of
the
requirements
that
satisfies
that
board
and
I
know
that
they'll
be
looking
at
that
oversight
piece
very
aggressively
so
that
we
get
it
right.
So.
J
O
J
E
L
Thank
you
through
you
did
the
the
Chief
of
Police
in
terms
of
Technology
I'm.
Not
we
are
going
to
that
sort.
I'll
call
that
I'll
call
it
photo
radar,
that's
one
aspect
of
in
four
of
traffic
enforcement,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
other
aspects,
we're
also
we're
looking
at
increasing.
You
know.
One
of
the
concerns
here
is
that
we
need
more
police
on
the
street
fighting
gun
crime
or
otherwise
is
there
wood
technology
on
the
traffic
end
of
things
free
up
off
more
officers?
O
Three-Year
mr.
speaker,
thank
you
very
much
Council
for
asking
that
question
and
the
direct
answer
is
yes,
we
have
done
extensive
research
over
the
years
on
technology
when
it
comes
to
traffic
enforcement,
and
we
know
that
there
is
a
tremendous
success
rate
with
technology.
If
there
is
a
law
or
a
sign
that
tells
you
you
cannot
do
by
law
and
if
there's
enforcement
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week,
365
days
a
year,
we
know
that
the
research
shows
people
behave
better
on
the
road.
O
We
know
that
it
increases
traffic
flow
and,
more
importantly,
we
know
that
there's
a
reduction
of
loss
of
life
and
so
adding
all
those
factors
freeing
up
my
officers
to
be
dealing
with
the
other
pressures
when
it
comes
to
traffic
enforcement.
Distraction
driving
being
one
of
them
I
think
that
that
would
be
a
fantastic
road
to
move
towards.
So.
L
It's
safe
to
say
that
we
could
actually
save
lives
from
a
traffic
perspective,
free
up
resources
and
also
free
up
resources
to
address
some
of
the
gun
violence
in
our
city,
and
that
we
really
need
the
province
to
to
give
us
that
those
permissions
to
move
forward
with
that
a
lot
more
quickly
than
they
have.
Is
that
correct
three.
L
Thank
you
in
terms
of
sputter
and
have
you
heard
of
a
superintendent
Eddie
Johnson
at
the
Chicago
Police
Department?
Yes,
I
have
I
have
a
quote
here.
He
says
the
one
technology
that
has
made
the
most
difference
in
Chicago's
reduction
in
gun.
Violence
in
the
last
12
months
is
being
shot
spotter.
It's
a
game-changer.
O
3A
Mr
Speaker
in
March
of
this
year,
I
was
in
Chicago
I
had
the
opportunity
specifically
to
look
at
what
their
gun
violence
reduction
plan
was,
and
he
personally
took
me
through
the
system
and
some
of
the
mechanisms
that
were
put
in
place
to
assist
in
the
reduction.
He
has
shown
me
how
it
works.
He
showed
me
its
effectiveness
and
I'm
satisfied
using
this
equipment
will
assist
us
in
keeping
our
communities
even
safer.
Okay,
thank
you
and.
L
My
sense
and
it's
really
kind
of
a
yes
or
no,
hopefully
a
yes
or
no
answer.
You
can
answer
as
you
please.
Of
course.
My
sense
is
that
when
there's
an
issue,
whether
it's
mental
mental,
mental
health
issues
or
not
necessarily
direct
police
issues,
but
when
government
doesn't
know
what
to
do,
we
just
sort
of
leave
it
up
to
the
police
to
handle
it
and
that
there's
sort
of
a
piling
on
and
greater
responsibility
for
things
that
you
may
not
even
be
equipped
to
handle
the
degree.
O
3Ms,
just
mr.
speaker
absolutely
case
in
point,
when
we
talk
about
the
calls
that
we
have
when
dealing
with
people
that
live
with
mental
health
issues,
that
number
has
increased
every
single
year,
I've,
never
seen
it
gone
down
we're
at
over
27,000
last
year,
and
that
is
going
to
continue
to
grow.
And
if
you
think
that
law
enforcement
is
the
first
solution
for
people
that
live
with
men.
Excuse.
L
L
E
O
L
O
L
O
Through
you,
mr.
speaker,
that
it's
I
can
tell
you,
the
number
of
shootings
is
a
lot
more
subjective
than
a
number
of
people
that
have
been
shot
case
in
point
this
year.
In
mid-june,
when
the
numbers
were
a
total
people,
a
total
victim
shot
was
six
hundred
example
is
if
a
person
walks
into
a
room-
and
there
are
a
hundred
people-
one
person
gets
shot,
the
total
victim
shot
would
have
been
100.
The
reality
is
the
actual
victim
that
was
shot
would
be
one
so
understanding.
O
The
statistics
are
important,
I've
put
the
information
out
in
raw
data,
and
that
has
its
complications.
Although
we're
trying
to
be
more
transparent
with
the
information
that
we
give
out,
because
it's
an
opportunity
have
conversations
without
us
scoping
that
information,
but
there
is
a
downside
to
it,
and
that
downside
is
that.
Sometimes,
if
you
don't
understand
what
the
data
is
actually
saying,
it
can
create
some
complex
issues
and
concerns.
Okay,.
L
Thanks,
but
would
you
do
you
feel
we've
had
obviously
numerous
debates
at
Council?
Certain
newspapers
have
really
been
quite
critical
of
the
police
budget,
citing
the
decrease
in
crime
and
now,
of
course,
we're
all
very
concerned
about
the
gun.
Violence.
Would
you
do
you
feel
that
maybe
we've
sort
of
missed
what's
going
on
since
the
year
of
the
gun,
I
believe
there
were
about
half
the
number
of
shootings
that
there
are
now
and
that
number
it's
just
2005
15
years
ago,
and
that
number
has
been
steadily
increasing?
E
G
Chief
and
I
apologize
if
these
questions
have
been
asked
previously
and
you've
answered
them
as
well,
but
I
haven't
always
been
in
the
room
for
the
last,
a
little
while
I've
been
receiving
visitors
to
City
Hall
chief
I've
heard
that
Chicago
has
the
tightest
gun
laws
in
the
States,
and
yet
it
has
the
highest
murder
rate.
So
how
do
you
address
these
two
ends
of
the
spectrum.
O
Through
you,
mr.
speaker,
I'm,
not
sure
whether
or
not
that
is
in
fact
correct.
Speaking
and
listening
on
the
platform
of
the
major
city
chiefs,
Association,
the
largest
police
agencies
for
urban
policing
in
North
America.
One
of
the
concerns
that
was
raised
that
I'm
aware
of
is
the
fact
that
people
in
possession
of
firearms
do
not
receive
strict
deterrence
measures
when
it
comes
to
the
end
process.
O
G
O
Through
you,
mr.
speaker,
there
had
been
added
pressures
in
recent
past
which
talks
about
the
importance
respect
of
privacy.
I
can
tell
you.
The
information
that
was
shared
in
the
past
is
not
shared
as
much
understanding
that
the
registry
piece
is
a
federal
entity.
We
are
municipal,
and
so
we
don't
capture
that
information
at
the
same
time.
But
having
said
that
registry
issue,
you
is
aligned
with
lawful
gun
owners.
O
G
O
Three,
mr.
speaker
again,
when
we
talk
about
crime
guns,
the
numbers
are
50%
are
domestically
put
in
the
market
origin
where
they
were
made
manufactured.
It
is
safe
to
say
that
over
300
million
firearms
are
in
the
United
States
right
now,
where
the
northern
border.
It
would
be
safe
to
say
that
the
origin
would
most
likely
be
from
our
counterparts
south
of
us.
So.
G
O
Through
You
mr.
speaker,
it
is
far
too
complex
that
I
think
simplified.
That
way,
but
I
think
we're
on
the
same
page
when
we
say
right
now,
there
is
an
issue
with
access
to
firearms
within
the
criminal
subculture
and,
more
importantly,
firearms
are
being
used
on
quite
a
high
frequency
within
the
City
of
Toronto
Speaker.
G
E
K
K
A
You
Toronto
housing.
Can
you
tell
me
in
some
of
the
buildings
and
you
and
you
know
who
they
are,
which
buildings
there
are
where
we
have
a
lot
of
guns
and
violence
and
and
a
lot
of
the
criminals
are
living
in
Toronto
housing?
What
sort
of
security
are
you
increasing
security
in
these
particular
buildings,
because
we
are
aware
where
they
are
through.
N
You
mr.
speakers,
I,
have
mentioned
previously.
One
of
our
challenges
is
the
number
of
staff
that
we
have
on
the
road
at
any
given
point
in
time
through
our
special
constables.
What
we
have
done
is
internally.
We
have
found
operational
efficiencies
that
we
have
redirected
to
frontline
services,
so
just
over
the
course
of
the
air
we've
added
18,
additional
special
constables
and
the
requests
that
you
have
before
you
today
is
to
allow
us
to
expand
the
pilots
that
we
have
started
in
two
communities
to
ten
additional
communities.
N
So
we
can
have
greater
presence,
and
those
communities
are
the
two
that
we
currently
have.
Pilots
in
are
the
broader
Dan
Harrison
community
and
the
Strathmore
area,
and
the
other
10
that
we're
looking
to
expand
to
are
the
ones
that
we've
identified
as
our
top
priority
areas
based
on
incidents.
I.
Don't
have
the
list
item
from
name
right
now:
okay,.
A
So
I
did
a
ride-along
Saturday
night
with
the
police
and
we
went
to
one
of
our
on
of
housing
buildings.
It
was
around
2:00
in
the
morning
and
the
front
door
was
wide
open
and
people
walking
in
and
out
they
were.
They
were
sleeping
in
the
lobby.
You
know-
and
just
it
was
a
free-for-all
so
in
some
of
these
buildings,
I
think
that
we
should.
We
need
to
focus
on
these
buildings
where
we
know
in
fact
there's
a
lot
of
criminal
activities
and
a
lot
of
guns.
A
O
Through
You
mr.
speaker,
it's
all
hands
on
deck,
so
we're
willing
to
listen
to
anyone
that
has
information
for
us.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
we
have
to
be
strategic,
it
has
to
be
intelligence-led
if
you
can
add
to
the
picture,
to
enhance
that
template
we
would
certainly
listen,
would
certainly
work
with
you
to
figure
out
what
the
constituents
are
asking
for
and
why
they
need
it,
and
if
it
aligns
with
what
we're
looking
for
we'd
be
more
than
willing
to
to
help
in
that.
In
that
regard,
and.
O
Three
again,
mr.
speaker,
absolutely
when
we
talk
about
the
importance
of
partnerships
to
enhance
Community
Safety.
This
too
is
another
opportunity
for
us
to
continue
that
conversation
and
if
other
entities,
public
and
private
sector
have
opportunities
to
help
keep
community
safe
than
I
would
strongly
encourage
it
and
we'd
be
willing
to
work
with
those
entities
that
want
to
help
keep
their
areas
safer.
Okay,.
A
And
chief,
you
will
remember
this
was
when
you
were
deputy
there.
There
was
a
report
that
came
to
the
police
services
board
at
the
time
on
certain
Toronto
housing
buildings,
and
there
was
a
report
that
actually
was
approved
by
the
board
by
TCH,
seen
as
well
as
the
city
on
the
number
of
criminal
activities
in
and
around
Toronto
housing.
I,
don't
know
what
happened
to
that
report,
but
do
we
have?
Is
there
a
any
way
that
we
can
get
a
list
of
all
the
guns
that
have
been
seized
in
Toronto
housing
buildings?
O
You,
mr.
speaker,
I-I-I.
I
can
say
that
it
would
be
a
very
daunting
task
for
us
to
start
doing
that
and
start
to
geographically
an
address
place
weapons
and
to
create
a
package.
I
I
can
tell
you,
though,
I've
got
a
strong,
healthy
working
relationship
with
CC
HC
we've
been
working
in
partnership
to
figure
out
how
we
can
utilize
our
resources
to
have
maximum
results.
I'm
looking
forward
to
further
opportunities
for
further
discussions
to
enhance
even
more
as
we
go
through
the
next
eight
weeks
and
see
how
we
can
build
from
there.
Okay,.
A
O
Through
you,
mr.
speaker,
and
thank
you
for
asking
that
question
counselor
right
from
the
start
never
said
it
was
going
to
be
a
straight
line,
and
that
too
is
happening
right
now.
I
can
tell
you
I
like
the
way
in
which
it's
going,
which
is
why
I've
invested
in
it
I
think
people
are
starting
to
understand
the
process
a
little
bit
better,
once
people
get
off
the
numbers
game
and
look
at
what
we're
trying
to
do
understand
that
is
community-centric
led
the
cornerstone
of
this
whole
process
was
police
and
community.
O
J
The
famous
business
guru,
professor
Peter
Drucker,
talks
about
the
issue
around
culture,
eating
strategy
and
such
my
question
then
to
you,
chief,
is
given
that
concept
and
I
think
it
should
be
a
true
concept.
How
are
you
finding
and
I
know
what
you've
just
said
to
us
about
modernization?
How
are
you
finding
the
acceptance
of
this
strategy
of
yours
and
I?
J
Ask
you
this
question,
because
I'm
told
by
some
in
your
service
that
when
push
comes
to
shove
and
people
are
told
to
do
things
they're
either
going
on
sick
leave,
some
are
actually
leaving
and
are
unwilling
to
actually
cooperate
and
work
with
you.
So
can
you
perhaps
help
us
to
understand
how
does
what
what
strategy
are
you
putting
in
place
to
affect
the
change
in
the
actual
culture
to
accept
modernization.
O
Do
you,
mr.
speaker,
when
we
talk
about
culture
accounts
with
all
due
respect?
If
we're
gonna
get
it
right?
Culture
takes
time.
There
is
no
magic
pill
that
you're
gonna
take
and
say:
voila
all
is
better
when
we
talk
about
policing
culture
in
particular,
when
we
look
at
some
of
the
issues
and
concerns
that
were
a
turning
point
in
what
we
do,
for
example,
cameras
in
the
booking
halls
cameras
in
the
vehicles,
the
vehement
pushback,
the
vehement
conversations
like
vehement
concerns,
but
now
it
is
cultural.
O
Now
people
understand
that
this
is
moving
in
the
right
direction,
because
it's
the
right
thing
there
is
yet
I'm.
Yet
to
find
anybody
that
can
tell
me
that
we
are
doing
more
things
that
we
should
not
be
doing
so
right
from
the
start.
What's
in
it
for
me
when
they
understand
the
full
plan,
they
get
it
and
they're
willing
to
work
with
me.
I
do
have
some
that
don't
and
I
can
appreciate
that,
but
I
can
tell
you,
sir,
it
is
turning.
It
is
going
to
take
time
the
cultures
defined
when
behavior
becomes
instinctive.
J
You
answered
this
question
a
little
bit
earlier
about
ship
scheduling
and
so
on:
two
men,
cars
and
so
on.
Having
been
around
for
a
bit,
it
seems
to
me,
if
we're
always
talking
about
or
putting
together
a
committee
to
address
it.
Where
are
we,
as
you
pointed
out,
that
the
Association
is
actually
working
with
you
now
and
the
question
is:
will
out
how
will
that
actually
help
you
in
terms
of
your
deployment,
if
you're
able
to
change
this
ship
scheduling
issue
through.
O
You,
mr.
speaker,
with
that,
with
the
shift
schedule,
as
I
stated
earlier,
when
we
have
approximately
245
people
working
within
serious
times
when
the
violent
crimes
are
being
committed,
I
know
that
I
need
more
resources.
There
now
said
that,
from
the
start,
the
deployment
piece
is
what's
necessary.
The
association's
started
to
work
with
us
right
now
we
have
a
model
out
in
the
East
End
of
the
city,
where
we've
added
another
shift
on
top.
We
don't
have
enough
time
right
now
to
present
to
you
what
the
difference
was
then
versus
what
it
is
now.
O
J
J
It
seems
to
me
one
of
the
things
that
we're
actually
failing
to
address
as
part
of
this
whole
issue,
whether
or
not
it's
the
addressing
in
the
guns,
whether
or
not
it's
dressing
the
issue
of
people
coming
out
of
the
system
coming
back
into
our
community,
it's
actually
fast
tracking
and
accelerating
the
process
when
your
officers
charge
people
with
respect
to
the
judicial
system.
What
is
the
role
of
the
judicial
system
in
assisting
you
and
your
officers
and
assisting
our
community
in
terms
of
fast
tracking
and
dealing
with
some
of
the
offenders?
O
O
O
J
How
do
we
sort
of
you
know
extrapolate
and
try
to
have
a
sense
of
balance,
because
you
need
the
community
to
cooperate
and
if
they
don't
feel
that
they
can
cooperate
because
they
feel
oppressed
by
policing
and
at
the
same
time,
they
feel
inadequate
because
of
the
number
of
people,
for
example,
of
color
or
being
shot
and
so
on,
and
don't
feel
that
the
solve
rate
is
high
and
they're
not
being
helped?
How
do
you
address
that?
It's
part
of
a
strategy,
Thank
You
speaker.
O
Through
you,
madam
Speaker
I
want
to
be
very
clear.
Sir.
The
community
is
helping,
the
vast
majority
of
people
are
helping
and
that's
the
reason
why
I
can
tell
you
that
we
have
an
understanding
of
what's
going
on
across
the
city.
We
know
names,
we
know
people
when
it
comes
to
who
is
shooting
who
and
why
they're
doing
it.
O
For
example,
if
someone
is
using
firearms
in
a
community
and
they're
apprehended
on
a
Monday
and
by
Wednesday
they're,
seeing
them
again,
the
community
loses
legitimacy
with
the
process,
and
so
that
becomes
complex,
we're
working
on
it
collectively
to
make
sure
we
have
the
right
solutions
on
go
ahead.
Sir.
J
O
F
A
J
O
Three,
madam
Speaker,
there
is
a
disciplinary
process.
There
is
an
internal
external
process
when
it
comes
to
conduct
if
the
men
and
women
anytime
there
is
a
conduct
issue,
that's
raised.
It
is
fully
investigated
either
by
my
men
and
women,
from
professional
standards
or
by
the
external
arm's
length.
Entities
that
exist
in
today's
environment
in
Ontario
is
that
our
collective.
O
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
a
little
bit
oversimplified
I'm
sure
there
opportunities
I
will
take
any
resources
you're
going
to
give
me
an
N.
Some
and
I
will
work
with
those
resources
that
you
give
me
and
then
some
but
I
would
hope.
As
chief
through
my
expertise
when
it
comes
to
law
enforcement,
I'm,
given
the
opportunity
to
make
those
decisions
and
what
resources
need
to
put
where
and
why
and
we
can
work
collectively
to
enhance
community
safety.
So.
J
O
O
J
O
3E
madam
Speaker
work
with
us,
and
we
can
have
a
collective
voice
on
a
provincial
and
on
a
national
platform
and
I
think
that
there
are
some
laws
that
could
be
changed.
I
think
that
there
are
resource
opportunities
right
now.
All
levels
of
government
are
willing
to
help
I.
This
is
an
opportunity,
sir.
For
that
conversation
to
happen
to
happen
and
I
think
collectively
we
can
make
the
right
pitches
to
get
the
proper
for
most
of
these
handguns.
O
J
O
And
through
you,
madam
Speaker,
as
I
stated
before
counselor,
my
bigger
issue
is
a
person
that
is
motivated
to
purchase
a
firearm
and
use
it
for
criminal
purposes,
no
matter
what
system
we
have
that
exists
right
now,
those
motivated
people
will
have
access
to
firearms
through
one
means
in
another,
and
that's
my
pin
pointed
in
my
specific
laser
focus
right
now,
because
I
think
that
will
get
the
maximum
results
when
it
comes
to
enhancing
community
safety.
Would
you
agree
with.
O
Through
you
again,
madam
Speaker,
anyone
that
follows
the
laws
and
regulations
and
processes
of
obtaining
firearms
as
long
as
they're
in
compliance
and
they're
lawful
I
do
not
want
to
deny
them
that
opportunity,
but
my
issue
again
is
whether
or
not
those
entities
are
using
it
for
monetary
gain
by
selling
to
the
criminal
element
and
those
that
are
using
the
firearms
are
my
key
issue,
sir.
Thank.
F
F
F
N
N
F
N
F
F
O
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
we
have
regular
meetings
with
regards
to
crime
management,
team
meetings
there,
intelligence-led
and
within
that
entity
we
do
have
other
entities
and
the
CCAC
has
attended
them
for
the
most
part
on
a
regular
basis.
Every
division
has
different
approaches
and
how
it's
looked
after,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
the
relationship
of
when
it
comes
to
the
level
of
communication
is
stronger
and
we're
looking
on
opportunities
on
how
to
improve
on
that
from
an
intelligence
clad
perspective.
So.
O
F
F
N
N
F
J
F
J
A
F
J
F
A
T
A
G
Speaker
I
want
to
introduce
Cathy
Lynde,
a
prominent
member
of
the
Chinese
media.
She
would
wave
and
her
son
char
s'en
and
his
father-in-law
who's
visiting
us
from
China
and
the
father-in-law
is
dr.
Lujan
you
he
has
held
the
following
offices:
the
mayor
of
Shenzhen
vice
governor
of
Hunan
Province,
the
governor
of
Shaanxi
province
and
party
secretary
of
the
Ministry
of
Culture,
welcome,
sir,
to
Canada's,
most
prominent
city
and
the
fourth
largest
city
in
North.
America.
We're
all
delighted
to
have
you
with
us.
C
O
Three,
madam
Speaker,
and
thank
you
for
asking
that
question.
It's
very
complex
but
very
important,
and
it's
necessary
if
we're
gonna
get
this
right.
If
we're
saying
that
our
relationship
needs
to
be
community
centric
at
its
grassroots,
so
what's
happened
is
working
with
Humber
College
three-year
research
that
gave
us
some
key
identification
identifies
on
what
success
looks
like
how
we
can
build
upon
that
that
helped
us
create
the
template
for
what
the
new
neighborhood
officer
program
is
going
to
look
like.
O
O
While
we
still
have
neighbourhood
officers
in
play,
we're
starting
with
a
control
sample
in
October
that
control
sample
is
going
to
create
the
proper
management
tools
to
see
that
we've
got
it
right,
make
the
necessary
tweaks
that
are
going
to
be
necessary
so
that,
as
we
go
forward
and
as
we
expand,
we
can
build
upon
those
tweak
things
that
we
have
looked
at
the
vision
and
the
mission
is
to
expand
the
neighborhood
officer
program.
We've
got
143
neighborhoods
I
want
to
prioritize
on
what
neighborhoods
need
them
the
most.
O
If
we're
gonna
get
this
right,
so
it
will
be
a
build
out
eventually,
as
we
move
forward,
identifying
its
importance
from
a
community
centric
perspective,
but
first
and
foremost,
I
want
to
ensure
that
deed,
immediate
issue.
The
urgent
issues
of
front-line
responders
is
satisfied
before
the
massive
build
out
from
that
entity.
Chief.
O
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
the
new
neighborhood
officer
program
will
be
a
four
year
commitment,
and
that
was
because
we
did
multitudes
of
surveys,
town
halls
when
we're
doing
the
report
and
deputy
Yuen
has
done
more
to
further
align.
What
is
necessary
and
a
community
said
they
want
four
years.
So
when
we
put
our
officers
in,
they
will
be
in
for
four
years.
The
three
year
piece
was
extensive
research
that
was
done
with
Humber
College.
That
brought
us
to
where
we
are
now.
O
O
No,
we
do
not
have
a
line
item
because
we're
piloting
right
now,
I'm
gonna
start
the
pilot
yeah
we're
going
to
start
that
pilot
in
October
we're
making
a
presentation
to
the
board
in
September
to
give
them
an
idea.
If
what
we're
looking
at
so
the
enhancement
pieces
are
going
to
be
there.
The
existing
96
officers
that
we
have
right
now
are
going
to
be
utilized
with
us
with
the
gun
reduction
plan
that
we
have
and
the
full
rollout
and
implementation
piece
is
going
to
exist
in
the
early
fall
is.
C
You
thank
you.
That's
fine,
too.
Mr.
brill
injure
you
and
I
have
worked
for
decades
on
this
issue
and
every
few
years
it
explodes,
and
then
it
seems
to
recede
I
need
some
guidance
from
you
Chris.
What
have
we
done
wrong?
What
haven't
we
done
enough
of
what
haven't
we
put
into
place
all
the
times
that
we
have
actually
tried
to
combat
this
problem
through.
K
C
K
C
K
A
A
A
M
O
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
it's
too
early
to
determine,
but
this
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
really
do
a
comprehensive
research
on
what
the
district
models
are
going
to
look
like
to
fix.
Whatever
nuances
need
to
be
fixed.
I
can
tell
you
having
the
over
layer
of
having
an
additional
shift,
while
working
with
these
associations
to
create
that
I'm
hearing
some
positive
feedback
and
adult
at
this
particular
point
in
time.
I
certainly
hope.
I
have
the
opportunity
to
later
on
come
back
and
have
more
tangibles
on
that.
M
O
You,
madam
Speaker,
yes,
yes,
we
are
and
thank
you
to
the
city
for
your
work
in
working
with
us
to
pick
a
spot,
not
because
it's
a
spot
but
being
surgical
and
specific,
allowing
public,
better
opportunities
to
get
to
that
location
if
needed,
making
it
central
to
a
deployment
of
the
district.
All
of
the
right
parts
were
put
together
to
formulate
that
last
piece,
which
is
the
location
and.
O
You,
madam
Speaker,
yes,
it
was,
and-
and-
and
you
know
not-
everybody
was
happy.
I've
been
very,
very
clear:
it's
not
the
building
of
the
buildings,
it
is
the
delivery
model.
It
is
the
deployment
that
determines
whether
or
not
communities
are
going
to
be
safe
and
so
working
with
the
community
and
having
those
town
halls
has
given
us
an
opportunity
to
understand
the
emotion
behind
it
and
what
we
can
do
to
help
curb
that.
So
my
messaging
piece
is
going
to
be
necessary
on
to
go
forward
and
I.
Look
forward
to
successes
down
the
line.
O
P
M
M
J
Of
my
questions
will
be
directed
to
Toronto
Police.
A
question
was
raised
to
our
city
manager
earlier
about
sourcing,
and
the
answer
was
that
it
could
be
turned
around
in
about
three
weeks
to
the
CEO
of
Toronto
police.
Can
you
tell
me
the
steps
that
would
have
to
be
put
in
place
for
shot
stopper
before
it
was
implemented?.
P
First
thing
we
would
do
is
basically
define
our
requirements
in
terms
of
so
we've,
given
an
estimates
around
five
square
miles.
We
would
we
define
that
a
lot
more
clear
in
terms
of
what
would
go
into
the
document.
We
would
then
work
with
the
company
to
basically
get
some
quotations
based
on
those
requirements,
but
before
we
even
get
to
that
point
and
I
think
it
was
alluded
to
before
we
do
have
to
do
our
due
diligence,
just
in
making
sure
that
you
know
we
speak
with
the
privacy.
P
Commissioner,
we
do
a
privacy
impact
assessment
if
it's
required.
Those
are
all
steps
that
we
would
have
to
take
in
terms
of
the
timelines
once
that's
in
place.
We
certainly
want
to
have
a
contract
that
certainly
protects
the
the
services
best
interests,
both
in
the
short
and
and
the
longer
term,
including
exit
clauses.
If
we
decided
that
we
didn't
want
that
product
anymore
and
would
all
of
that
be
reported
to
the
board
before
implementation?
Yes,
that
that
could
be
part
of
the
September
report
and
in
terms.
J
J
To
the
chief,
just
a
quick
question
on
the
technology:
I've
done
a
bit
of
research
and
I
think
you've
already
answered
this
question.
The
technology
grabs
about
six
seconds
worth
of
information.
You
have
any
concerns
that
that
six
seconds
worth
of
information
will
contain
a
lot
of
privacy,
information.
O
Through
you,
madam
Speaker
I,
don't
think
it
will
grab
a
lot
of
information
but
I.
Think
the
bigger
question
from
a
public
perspective
or
perception
is
its
grabbing.
It
has
the
opportunity
to
grab
and
I
think
that's
the
bigger
concern
when
we
talk
about
the
gunplay
in
the
City
of
Toronto
in
Toronto
centric
experience.
Most
of
those
issues
are
occurring
late
at
night
when
we
talk
about
what
is
going
on,
and
so
there
are
living
the
people
that
are
out.
But
having
said
that,
the
objective
of
the
shot
spotter
is
not
to
capture
conversations.
O
We
are
not
interested
in
that.
It
is
to
capture
what
it
is
designed
to
do,
and
that
is
when
people
are
shooting
firearms
in
the
city,
and
so
it's
loud
and
clear
that
the
has
to
be
a
stronger
communication
piece
from
our
organization
to
the
public.
So
the
people
can
understand
it
a
little
better
and
we
can
collectively
understand
that
there's
a
level
of
comfort
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
and
spoken
about
just.
A
A
A
A
C
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity,
I'd
like
to
introduce
to
you
the
children
from
the
Calico
childcare
center.
There
they
are
the
Saints
of
Downs
yo
calico
Saints.
They
are
part
of
a
child
care
program
that
I
started
when
I
was
a
trustee.
So
many
of
our
schools
and
downs
you
have
have
child
care
programs
because
of
that
era,
so
many
years
ago
welcome.
C
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
the
Constitution
divides
legislative
power
into
two
categories.
One
federal
one,
provincial
municipal
powers,
are
all
delegated.
Through
the
provincial
side,
the
Supreme
Court
of
Canada
has
determined
that
gun
control
and
the
Firearms
Act,
which
is
a
very
comprehensive
legislative
scheme,
around
manufacture,
sale,
possession
licensing
importing
of
guns,
is
proper
exercise
of
the
criminal
law
power
under
the
federal
side.
G
G
You
my
next
question,
is
to
the
mayor.
Mr.
mayor
yesterday,
you
met
with
the
premier
I've
seen
news
reports
that
the
premier
is
talking
about
diverting
some
of
the
funding
that
he
had
promised
for
mental
health
supports
to
other
purposes.
Would
you
be
prepared
if
there
were
a
motion
that
this
council
encourage
him
to
continue?
All
of
that
proposed
funding
for
mental
health
supports?
Would
you
be
supportive
of
that
I.
B
Believe
that
the
comments
he
took
were
taken
out
of
context,
my
discussions
with
him
yesterday
in
the
presence
of
the
minister
Blair
and
the
Chief
of
Police,
were
in
no
way
directed
in
that
area
and
I
also
understand
from
having
made
inquires
this
morning.
That
wasn't
what
he
meant,
but
so
I
would
be.
B
B
Okay,
well
fair
enough
if
they
contact
members
of
my
staff,
I'm
unaware
of
it
until
this
minute,
I
would
only
say
to
you
that,
first
of
all,
the
police
board
itself
has
asked
for
a
presentation
on
this
technology
at
its
next
public
meeting,
at
which
time
there'll
be
time
for
public
input
and
consultation.
And
furthermore,
the
Police
Board
has
asked
for
a
report
on
oversight
presently
conducted
with
respect
to
CCTV
cameras
and
extended
to
propose
ShotSpotter
technology
as
well
and
I
think
that
place
and
that
particular
opportunity
at
the
next
meeting.
G
I,
thank
you
for
that.
We
are
being
asked
to
allocate
some
of
our
money,
though
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
search
your
records
over
lunch
and
see
if
there's
anything
the
firm
provided
to
you
in
the
two
times
they
were
listed
as
contacting
you
directly
and
the
two
other
times
they
were
listed
is
contacting.
B
Well,
I
want
to
be
clear
on
the
record
right
now:
I'll
go
and
check
the
records.
Nobody
has
contacted
me
directly.
I've,
never
spoken
to
my
life
for
it.
Letters,
emails,
correspondence,
telegrams
smoke,
signals
from
anybody
at
that
company.
So
when
you
get
up
in
your
place
and
say
that
I'll
go
and
check
the
records,
I
doubt
very
much.
It
records
any
direct
contact
with
me
because
there
wasn't
it.
My.
G
Q
T
I
D
I
I
C
D
D
C
C
C
It
doesn't
coordinate,
or
particularly
include
the
middle
childhood
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
think
that
that
would
be
a
valuable
thing
that
we
should
do
look
at
those
years
and
make
sure
that
we're
looking
to
reach
children
earlier
and
coordinate
these
efforts
between
the
youth
strategy
and
the
middle
childhood
strategy.
Yes,.
A
C
And
I
wanted
to
ask
the
city
clerk
I
recall
being
here
when
we
adopted
the
video
surveillance
policy.
It's
a
very
comprehensive
policy
which
regulates
sets
out
a
set
of
criteria
for
when
video
surveillance
is
acceptable
and
it
sets
out
as
well
a
number
of
conditions
around
the
use
of
the
data
and
so
on.
Does
our
video
surveillance
policy
at
this
current
in
its
current
form?
C
Madam
speaker,
no,
the
current
surveillance
policy
that
the
City
House
does
not
cover
strictly
audio
recordings.
It
covers
video
recordings.
It's
under
review
as
I
understand
it,
however,
but
the
protection
of
privacy
that
is
afforded
and
choir
to
be
followed
by
the
city
that
does
apply
via
and
fitme
of
course,
so
we'd
be
required
to
apply
that
legislation
to
audio
recordings.
In
any
event,
no.
E
You,
madam
Speaker,
my
questions
are
going
to
be
for
chief
Saunders
through
you
see
if
I
know,
you've
had
a
lot
of
questions
today
and
I
just
really
want
to
try
to
get
a
summary
of
your
answers.
What
is
it
that
you
need
from
City
Council
to
deal
with
gun
violence
in
this
city?
Just
in
a
simple
bullet
point,
is
it
there
recommendations
before
us?
Is
it?
Is
it
nothing
just
stick
with
the
plan?
What
do
you
need
from
us
today.
O
That's
a
question
that
I
could
spend
quite
a
bit
of
time
on
if
I
can
shortcut
it.
My
priority
right
now
is
to
reduce
the
pressures
from
a
front
line.
We're
doing
numerous
calls
that
we
should
not
be
doing.
There
are
opportunities
for
a
city
to
be
involved
in
that
number.
Two
we're
working
with
the
city
on
other
aspects
of
reducing
those
calls
for
service.
So
when
we
look
at
the
school
crossing
guards
which
starting
September
we
will
no
longer
inherit
is
a
good
step.
O
When
we
look
at
the
three
one
one
issue
and
a
transfer,
some
calls
that's
another
good
step.
So,
looking
at
what
other
alignment
City
Hall
might
have
to
offer
will
be
critical
number
three.
When
we
look
at
next
year,
it's
an
investment
year.
There
are
a
lot
of
things
that
we're
looking
at
to
expand
on
the
existing
model
so
that
it
can
deal
with
the
precious
today's
environment.
O
E
O
E
And
and
I
guess,
I
also
heard
I
think
you
want
us
to
shore
up
I
reserved
our
resources
at
the
city
to
take
the
burden
off
you
for
non-emergency
calls.
Would
that
be
right?
So
that's
you
know.
Dealing
with
3-1-1
Center
dealing
with
the
noise
by
law
calls
dealing
with
all
the
other
nuisance
things
that
your
officers
have
to
put
their
attention
to
when
they
could
be
out
dealing
with
gun
violence.
O
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
that
is
the
concept
that
we
are
looking
at.
It's
not
just
City
Hall.
There
are
other
agencies
and
other
opportunities.
Our
delivery
model
has
to
change
as
well.
So
having
honest
understanding
of
that,
and
what
that
will
look
like
would
give
us
an
opportunity
for
having
further
fulsome
discussions
and
how
we
can
enhance
our
existing
resources
and
how
we
can
work
on
expansion
pieces,
but
we're
needed
chief.
E
Saunders
one
of
the
questions
that
came
from
councillor
Thompson
a
bit
earlier
was
this
discussion
about
the
judicial
process,
and
you
said
something
interesting
that
there
was
a
concern
that
when
somebody
was
charged
with
the
crime
and
then
they
were
back
in
the
community
the
next
day
that
people
felt
there
was
there
was
not
legitimacy
in
the
process.
I
wondered
if
you
could
elaborate
a
bit
on
that.
Can
you
tell
me,
in
your
estimation
your
experience,
what
what
could
be
improved
in
the
process,
and
can
we
help
you
with
that?
As
a
council.
O
Well,
right
now
we're
working
with
Ministry
of
attorney
general's
office.
Right
now,
it
looks
like
there
have
focused
on
this
issue,
so
I
want
to
give
them
time
to
work
with
us
to
figure
out
how
we
can
work
in
a
line
together,
but
working
with
the
city.
There
are
opportunities
where
we
can
give
a
better
conversation,
and
we
can
have
a
better
conversation
so
that
you
can
understand
what
our
present
issues
are.
O
E
O
S
Prevention,
my
questions
are
for
the
chief,
so
the
thing
that
I
hear
often,
for
example,
is
people
will
will
hear
a
gunshot.
They
won't
call
you
or
they
won't
call
the
police.
They
won't
report
it,
they
hide
from
it.
They
see
a
drug
deal
in
the
stairwell,
they
know.
What's
going
on,
they'll
stay
in
their
apartment,
they
won't
call
you
they
won't
get
involved.
They
will
see
an
incident
they
they.
Basically
you
know,
leave
won't
call
you
won't
come
forward,
won't
engage
with
you
on
what
they
saw
and
what
they
in
what
they
heard.
O
Sue
you,
madam
Speaker,
thank
you
for
asking
that
question.
It
is
a
multi-layered
answer
and
I
could
go
on
for
a
great
period
of
time.
With
that,
first
and
foremost,
the
vast
majority
of
public
are
cooperating
with
us
and
I
say
that,
with
all
due
respect,
it
is
whether
or
not
that
is
information,
intelligence
or
evidence,
because
they
each
play
a
different
role.
O
When
we
get
the
information
when
we
get
the
evidence,
it
gives
us
an
account
as
to
what
is
happening
so
the
the
Toronto
Police
Service
is
well
plugged
in
with
who
is
doing
what
but
bringing
it
before
the
judicial
system.
That's
where
the
cliff
point
is
people
have
to
make
that
ethical
decision
on
whether
or
not
they
want
to
compromise
their
safety
when
it
deals
with
street
gang
subculture
violence,
because
if
one
person
shoots
another
person,
there
are
eight
members
on
that
other
team.
O
What
about
those
other
eight
members
that
are
still
going
to
be
within
the
community,
because
one
of
the
complications
are
with
street
gangs,
it
is
geographical.
They
live
within
that
neighborhood,
once
disclosure
occurs
and
defense
has
an
idea
of
who
said
what
what
protections
are
offered
to
the
community.
So
that's
one
of
the
gaps,
but
we
are
getting
the
phone
calls
just
from
an
intelligence
and
Evan
earth
information
perspective.
O
So
having
a
look
at
what
the
laws
are
right
now
do
they
conform
with
today's
environment
when
it
deals
with
street
gang
subculture,
I
would
say
that
there
is
a
gap
there
and
I
think
that
that's
something
that
needs
to
be
remedied
because
most
people
invest
in
where
they
live.
They
want
to
be
safe,
but
if
they're
genuinely
scared
because
of
the
existing
template
that
exists,
then
let's
have
an
open,
honest
discussion
about
that
and
figure
out
what
the
right
solution
is,
what
the
right.
O
S
For
example,
we
had
an
incident
in
my
in
my
my
ward,
where
someone
came
over
a
fence
and
there
were
a
bunch
of
kids
playing
and
and
over
the
over,
the
the
backyard
fence
shoots
into
the
into
the
backyard
with
with
the
with
the
kids
playing
there
and
takes
off
this
family
and
and
those
folks
now
don't
feel
safe.
Because
that's
as
you
say,
there
are
some
other
people
left
behind
that
that
could
take
issue.
S
We
have
nothing
in
place.
A
local
police
officer
basically
paid
out
of
their
pocket
to
put
that
family.
Put
those
kids
up
in
a
hotel
for
a
couple
of
days
take
the
mother.
They
take
them
out
of
the
unit.
Why
is
it
that
we
have
nothing
in
place
that
can
deal
with
those
issues
when
those
instances
incidences
occur
and
we
can
make
people
feel
safe?
Okay,.
O
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
you
are
correct,
which
is
why,
when
I
spoke
over
the
past
recent
weeks
on
what
this
issue
is,
if
we
are
going
to
get
it
right,
it
is
the
ability
of
understanding
the
complete
bandwidth
and
equal
resourcing
from
all
aspects.
Everybody
has
to
take
ownership.
Everybody
has
to
be
a
willing
participant
in
solving
the
problem.
So
to
answer
your
question,
there
are
gaps
within
the
bandwidth.
What
do
we
do
to
identify
what
those
gaps
are
and
what
are
we
going
to
do
to
fix
those
gaps?
O
Historically,
it's
been
it's
a
police
issue
fix
it,
but
I
know
that
through
conversations
I've
had
with
counselors
and
with
all
levels
of
government,
there's
a
different
approach
that
is
taking
place
right
now.
I'm
excited
at
those
opportunities,
I
think
we're
moving
in
the
right
direction.
With
the
funding
and
with
this
thought
process
from
a
collective
perspective,
I
think
our
outcomes
are
going
to
be
more
successful
than
they
were
in
the
past.
Thank.
B
Madam
Speaker
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
the
record
at
something
he's,
not
always
right,
but
in
this
occasion
he
was
that
I'm
referring
to
councilor
perks
through
you,
madam
Speaker,
that
it
wasn't
smoke
signal
or
a
semaphore,
but
there
was
in
early
2015.
Some
meeting
and
I
was
quite
emphatic
in
my
response,
because
I
thought
he
meant
recently
and
I've
met.
Nobody
from
this
County
with
somebody
was
in
to
see
me
in
early
2015
I
wanted
to
clarify
that
that
had
in
fact
happened.
B
The
registry
is
not
wrong
and
in
this
case
you're
not
and
I
will
search
the
records.
I
suspect
there's
nothing
from
back
from
back
then
once
a
year.
Yes,
that's
right.
Even
a
broken
clock
is
Right
twice
a
day,
but
I
will
I
will
he
was
the
one
that
said
once
a
year
a
counselor
care
Jenna,
so
I
will
search
the
records
to
see
if
there's
anything
and
bring
that
back
after
lunch.
Thank
you
thank.