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City Council, meeting 41, May 23, 2018 - Part 2 of 3
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A
Okay,
just
one
sec
members
accounts.
If
you
can,
please
take
your
C's
before
we
consider
the
run
through
a
members
motion
that
would
take
the
release
a
member
holds
and
then
I
also
have
a
number
of
motions
to
be
added,
so
counselor
counselor
well
hold
on
before
we
start
counselor
care
Janice.
You
had
an
announcement
to
me.
Thank.
C
E
D
D
C
G
H
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
We
need
I'm
moving
this
motion
because
of
a
construction
site
over
the
Avenue
Road
for
a
one
bridge
which
was
done
without
it's
an
MTO
project.
It's
done
without
proper
construction
notice.
We
need
to
urgently
get
a
construction
notice,
proper
signage,
to
alert
the
community
about
the
construction
and
community
consultation,
to
discuss
that
we
need
the
help
of
our
senior
team
here
to
work
with
MTO
on.
C
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker
I'm,
asking
the
indulgence
of
City
Council
to
allow
me
to
introduce
motion,
as
you
know
that
on
June,
the
15,
the
World
Cup,
the
World
Cup
starts
and
we
had
a
base.
The
first
game
is
between
Portugal
in
Spain
and
center
is
part
of
the
capital
of
soccer.
Literally
speaking,
so
that's.
E
A
C
A
A
Mm
41.2
notice
if
this
motion
has
been
given
this
motion
is
subject
to
refer
to
the
executive
committee.
A
2/3
vote
is
required
to
waive
referral
on
favor
of
waiving
referral
carried
on
the
item
on
favor
carried
and
then
41.3
notice
that
this
motion
has
been
given.
This
motion
is
subject
to
referral
to
the
committee
development
of
Recreation
Committee.
A
2/3
vote
is
required
to
waive
referral
on
favor
of
waiving
referral
carried
on
the
item
on
recorded
vote.
A
E
D
C
Counselor
fruits,
please
counselor
DiGiorgio
counselor
McMahon,
please.
A
A
D
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
C
I
A
A
Mm40
1.18
notice
that
this
motion
has
been
given
this
motion
subject
to
reopening
of
item
ey
28.3,
a
two-thirds
vote
is
required
to
reopen
that
item.
If
we
open
the
previous
council
decision
remains
in
force
and
less
council
decides
otherwise.
Okay,
a
recorded
vote
to
reopen
recorded
vote
to
reopen.
C
A
Notice,
if
this
motion
has
not
been
given
a
2/3
vote,
is
required
to
waive
notice.
This
motion
is
subject
to
refer
to
the
executive
committee.
A
2/3
vote
is
required
to
waive
referral.
This
motion
has
been
deemed
urgent
by
the
chair
on
favor
of
wavy
notice.
Carry
on
favorite.
Waiving
referral
carried
on
the
item
on
favor
carry.
A
And
then
4121
notice,
if
this
motion
has
not
been
given,
that
two-thirds
vote
is
required
to
waive
notice.
This
motion
is
subject
to
refer
to
the
executive
committee.
A
2/3
vote
is
required
to
waive
referral.
This
motion
has
been
deemed
urgent
by
the
chair
on
favor
of
waving
notice,
carried
on
favor
of
waiving
referral
carried
on
the
item
on
favor
carry.
A
And
mam
40
1.22
notice
if
this
motion
has
not
been
given
the
2/3
vote,
is
required
to
waive
notice.
This
motion
is
subject
to
referral
to
the
executive
committee.
A
2/3
vote
is
required
to
waive
referral.
This
motion
has
been
deemed
urgent
by
the
chair
on
favor
of
a
bee
notice,
carried
on
favorite
way.
Being
referral
carried
on
the
item
on
favor
carried
I
I.
A
Yeah,
please,
if
I
can
ask
counselor
McMahon,
please
forty
1.23
notice,
if
this
motion
has
not
been
given
a
2/3
vote,
is
required
to
waive
notice
this
motion
subject
to
referral
to
the
executive
committee.
A
two-thirds
vote
is
required
to
waive
referral.
This
motion
has
been
deemed
urgent
by
the
chair
on
favor
of
wavy
notice,
carried
on
favor
of
waiving
referral
carried
on
the
item
on
favor
carry.
A
A
Mm40
1.25
notice
that
this
motion
has
not
been
given
a
2/3
vote
is
required
to
waive
notice.
This
motion
is
subject
to
referral
to
the
executive
committee.
A
2/3
vote
is
required
to
waive
referral.
This
motion
has
been
deemed
urgent
by
the
chair
on
favor
of
wavy
notice,
carried
on
favor
of
waiving
referral
carried
on
the
item
on
favor
carry.
A
Mm
40
1.26
notice
that
this
motion
has
not
been
given
a
2/3
vote
is
required
to
wave
notice.
This
motion
is
subject
to
refer
to
the
north.
Your
kami
counselor
two-thirds
vote
is
required
to
wave
referral.
This
motion
has
been
deemed
urgent
by
the
chair
on
favor
of
waving
notice
carried
on
favor
of
waving.
Referral
carried
counts
to
shiner,
to
hold
okay.
A
A
A
A
C
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
I
A
A
K
F
K
K
This
tree,
we're
talking
about
on
coal
gable
Drive,
is
in
the
as
of
right
of
the
property
there.
Now
who
you,
madam
Speaker,
that's
correct.
Okay,
back
in
2015,
one
of
the
motions
put
forward
by
the
local
councillor
was
for
us
to
set
up
an
account
through
Toronto
parts
and
trees
foundation.
Where
residents
could
donate
money.
Could
you
explain
how
that
account
was
going
to
work?
And
why,
at
this
point
we
don't
have
that
account
set
up
so.
F
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
that
work
was
actually
being
undertaken
by
the
Toronto
office
of
partnerships.
But
my
understanding
is
that
we
have
not
yet
to
receive
confirmation
from
the
owner
of
the
house
that
the
house
is
actually
for
sale
and
that
work
is
being
undertaken
by
the
Toronto
office
of
partnerships
to
confirm.
K
They
give
us
an
estimate
on
the
value
we
could
open
up
an
account
through
200
parts
of
trees,
where
residents
who
donate
would
get
a
tax
receipt,
but
my
understanding
is
that
we
can't
open
an
account
until
we
have
some
estimate
on
how
much
we
are
looking
to
our
goal.
What
we're
looking
to
raise
is
that
correct,
yeah,
3.
F
K
You
also
just
touch
on
this
came
back
in
the
media,
so
this
house,
as
you
know,
has
been
for
sale
what
four
or
five
times
in
the
last
number
of
years
could
you
touch
on
where
we
actually
stand
through
our
private
tree
by
law
through
the
fact
this
is
a
heritage
tree?
What
protection
does
this
tree
have
right
now,
so
three.
F
Madam
Speaker,
the
tree
is
currently
protected
under
the
private
tree.
Bylaw
for
the
tree
to
for
any
injury
or
destruction
of
the
tree
would
require
the
approval
of
City
Council,
so
the
owner
would
have
to
put
in
an
application
to
either
injure
or
remove
the
tree.
Then
staff
would
assess
that
application
and
make
a
recommendation
back
through
community
council
and
then
directly
to
Council,
if
need
be
so.
K
F
Correct
so
in
the
case
of
this
particular
tree,
because
it's
a
heritage
tree,
it
would
not
receive
staff
approval
to
be
removed
or
injured
in
any
way
that
was
hazardous,
hazardous
to
the
longevity
of
the
tree,
at
which
point
community
council.
If,
if,
if
they
disagreed
with
the
staff
recommendation,
we
then
come
to
to
council
for
discussion.
So.
K
Right
now,
I
just
want
a
double
double
check,
because
the
media
has
been
saying
that
the
house
is
for
sale.
The
owners
cutting
it
down
I
just
want
to
double
check,
so
everyone
around
this
chamber
understands
the
right
now,
because
it's
a
heritage
tree
permission
would
have
to
come
from
this
actual
chamber
through
you,
madam
Speaker,
that's
correct.
Thank
you
very
much.
J
F
J
F
J
J
F
J
F
J
J
Really
is
about
history,
and
is
there
a
difference
between
bringing
out
the
history
of
the
tree
and
the
community
and
if
there
and
what's
the
difference
between
that
and
if
the
house
was
250
years
old
and
we
want
to
buy
the
house
for
for
city
for
City,
obviously
for
the
city
to
bring
out
the
history
of
the
particulars
it?
Wouldn't
it
be
kind
of
categorized
in
the
same
way
or
no
there's
a
tree
matter.
Madam.
F
J
F
J
You
do
if
you
represented
award
and
in
that
ward
it
was
fairly
quiet
until
other
counselors
came
in
and
said.
We
need
to
acquire
this
piece
of
property
and
take
over
into
and
save
this
tree,
because
it's
so
old
and
then
the
same
counselors
who
come
into
someone's
your
ward.
If
you
were
a
counselor
and
and
did
all
of
this
and
then
you've
got,
then
you
decide
you
want
to
keep
it
and
that
same
councillor
decides
not
not
to
support
it
because
of
an
excuse
that
there's
22
other
trees
in
the
area.
L
L
L
F
L
Large
trees,
big
trees,
old
trees,
like
this
I
mean
they
fall,
the
windstorm
takes
them
out,
they
fail
I
know
in
Millwood
Park
in
Etobicoke.
A
massive
tree
took
out
a
ball
diamond
just
just
like
that,
but
it's
safe
to
say
something
of
this
large
with
extra
limbs.
This
large
that
come
off
from
time
to
time
is
pretty
significant
and
they
overhang
the
adjacent
properties.
I
mean.
B
L
Thank
you
I'd
like
to
ask
the
solicitor
a
couple
of
questions
3des,
madam
Speaker,
to
the
solicitor
just
in
terms
of
liability.
This
tree
is
much
larger
than
the
property
that
it
sits
on
that.
That's
the
subject
of
this
report.
What
do
we
know
about
how
the
city
insures
itself?
If
there
is
a
tree,
limb
that
comes
off
or
the
tree
actually
comes
over
and
crushes
a
house
crushes
property
adjacent
to
it?
How
does
the
insurance
work
on
that?
The.
L
From
your
experience
in
terms
of
claims
in
the
city,
is
it
fair
to
say
that
the
city
gets
all
kinds
of
claims
for
damages,
whether
or
not
that
they
would
be
successful
in
court?
There
is
a
process
around
that,
and
you
know
with
any
property
such
as
a
very
large
tree
that
is
bigger
than
the
property
that
sits
on
there's,
always
those
potentials
that
come
along
with
this
there.
E
L
L
F
I,
sorry
through
you,
madam
Speaker,
just
to
add
to
the
city
solicitor,
the
tree
is
currently
on
private
property
and
the
liability
is
currently
with
the
homeowner
up
with
tree,
it's
solely
on
private
property.
At
this
point,
the
liability
issues
would
only
come
into
play
if
the
city
was
to
acquire
the
property
and
the
tree
that
was
on
it
correct.
L
H
H
H
H
F
H
F
H
F
N
J
J
I'm
requesting
that
we
buy
the
the
the
property
and
turn
it
into
a
park
at
with
fifty
percent
coming
out
of
the
parks
fund
and
there's
the
account
number
and
then
the
other
fifty
percent
to
be
raised
through
through
fundraising.
It's
my
understanding
that
a
few
people
have
reached
out
to
councilor
dim
bear
maker
and
has
suggested
a
few
donations,
so
we
believe
the
50
other
fifty
percent
can
be
achieved
through
donations
and
we're
asking
you
to
take
fifty
fifty
percent
from
the
park
acquisitions
fund
in
Etobicoke.
J
Counselor,
just
set
came
in
a
number
of
years
ago,
spoke
to
a
lady
one
of
the
neighbors
in
the
area
that
has
been
passionate
about
the
tree
and
so
much
so
it
created
headlines
and
and
me
as
the
local
councillor
needed
to
deal
with
it,
and
so
I
came
to
you
and
I
asked
you
to
support
a
fundraising
drive
to
buy
the
site,
because
I
didn't
believe
that
taxpayers
should
pay
for
the
site.
You
said
yes
and
staff
took
this
direction
and,
quite
frankly,
it
was
a
standstill.
J
Nothing
happened
and
two
and
a
half
year
ago
years
go
by
and
we're
wondering
what
might
be
going
on
with
that
council
directive
to
raise
money
to
buy
the
site
so
that
we
could
shape.
We
could
actually
save
this
gorgeous
and
it
really
is
a
beautiful
oak
tree
and
for
those
of
you
that
just
want
to
picture
this
for
a
second,
if
you've
been
to
Stanley
Park
at
all
in
Vancouver,
and
you
see
those
magnificent
trees
and
the
width
of
those
trees.
J
This
is
the
type
of
oak
tree
that
we're
talking
about,
and
it's
taken
over
the
house
to
the
point
where
you
can't
even
get
outside
the
backyard
and
and
the
homeowner
is-
is
saying:
I
can't
get
out
of
my
house
safely,
I'd
like
to
sell
the
property
to
the
city.
If
they
want
it,
because
everybody
is
coming
to
their
door.
J
You
need
to
take
a
look
at
this
because
it's
taking
over
the
house-
and
so
we
have
to
make
a
decision
either
you're
a
tree
hugger
on
Council
or
you're.
Not
do
you
want
to
buy
this
and
turn
it
into
a
park
at
and
save
this
beautiful
tree
or
are
you
gonna
find
some
stupid
excuse
that
there's
22
trees
in
the
area-
and
you
can't
support
this
because
we
got
to
do
the
same
thing
with
the
other
properties?
That's
exactly
what
counselor
just
sets
doing
right
now.
J
Finding
an
excuse
to
say
no
to
this:
no
she's,
not
no
she's,
not
she's.
On
my
side,
that
happened
within
the
last
five
minutes:
okay,
because
last
time
I
talked
to
her.
She
can't
support
this
now,
because
it's
a
precedent,
precedent
setting
precedent,
setting
22
trees.
Where
do
they
come
from
right?
Let's
confuse
the
hell
out
of
this
whole
thing,.
J
A
A
K
Madam
Speaker,
when
I
asked
the
counselor
what
he'd
be
doing
today,
I
was
informed.
There
would
be
a
motion
coming
forward.
I
have
not
seen
the
motion
until
now,
so
how
can
I
tell
the
counselor
whether
I'm
gonna
support
it
or
not,
support
it?
I
would
ask
that
he
refrains
of
saying
what
I
am
going
to
be
doing
and
what
I'm
not
gonna
be
doing,
because
I
actually
don't
know
what
I'm
gonna
be
doing
at
this
point
in
time.
So
how
does
he
know
what
I'm
doing?
Does
that
make
sense
you
thank
you.
J
Based
my
comments
on
the
conversation
I've
had
with
her
last
last
council
meeting
and
this
meeting,
and
so,
let's,
let's,
let's
I,
hope
she's
changed
her
tune
and
she
supports
it
at
the
end
of
the
day.
This
comes
from
a
guy
that
doesn't
necessarily
agree
with
our
policy
that
we
should
be
telling
people
what
to
do
on
their
own
properties.
I
still
maintain
that,
but
in
this
particular
case
they
want
to
sell
it.
We
want
to
buy
it.
We
want
to
turn
it
into
a
park
at.
J
We
want
to
save
that
oak
tree
and
we
want
to
bring
out
the
history
in
the
community
while
we're
doing
it,
and
it's
not
my
objective
to
tear
down
that
house.
It's
my
objective
to
use
the
house
as
a
forum
to
learn
the
history
in
our
particular
community
and
Parks
and
Rec
can
be
doing
that.
We've
got
a
huge
Aboriginal
history
in
that
community
that
we
know
about.
We've
got
history
that
we
want
to
talk
about
and
that
house
can
be
used
for
it.
We.
H
J
H
A
H
H
J
So
what
would
the
the
the
50%
is
an
existing
account
which
has
the
money
in
it?
We
could
use
that
in
the
Etobicoke
district
and
ward
7
by
the
way,
he's
never
asked
for
any
of
that
money
in
the
past
and
we're
currently
asking
for
that
to
acquire
this
site,
and
then
the
other
50%
would
be
raised
through
channels
like
I,
think
counsel.
Do
bear
maker
will
speak
to
who's
reached
out
to
him
and
wanting
to
give
money
to
this,
so
I
think
we
can
achieve
both
if
we,
if
we
agree
to
this
motion
right.
H
K
K
So
you
can
see
this
small
bungalow
surrounded
by
the
most
stunning
magnificent
oak
tree.
You
have
probably
ever
seen
in
your
lives.
Yes,
it's
from
250
to
350
years
old.
We
don't
know,
but
by
golly.
If
history
could
talk,
it
would
give
you
history.
It
will
tell
you
about
its
sister
tree
just
down
the
street,
which
actually
had
to
be
removed
last
year
due
to
it
being
of
ill
health.
This
is
a
stunning
tree
which
should
be
protected.
K
The
previous
owner
had
a
hole
in
the
driveway
where
she
would
actually
put
a
hose
and
water
this
tree
since
she
sold
the
property
several
years
ago.
That
has
not
been
happening.
Yes,
I
visited
this
tree,
who
wouldn't
drivet
visit
a
tree
like
this
throughout
the
season
it
changes
color.
It
is
magnificent,
it
survived
the
ice
storm
in
2013.
It
survived
the
ice
storm
the
other
weekend.
So,
yes,
we
should
be
protecting.
This
tree
agree
with
a
local
counselor,
a
thousand
percent.
K
That
is
why,
when
several
years
ago,
I
was
informed
that
this
property
was
for
sale.
The
first
thing
I
actually
did
as
I
went
to
forestry
and
I
said:
how
can
we
protect
this
heritage?
Tree
I
was
informed
as
we've
heard
today,
and
those
were
my
questions.
How
is
this
tree
protected
by
the
city
under
the
private
tree
by
law,
and
we
heard,
but
it
is
protected,
because
if
anyone
wanted
to
take
anything
down,
it
has
to
come
here
before
into
this
chamber.
K
K
The
answer
was
at
this
point,
without
doing
a
complete
absolute
study,
because
we
haven't
requested
that
about
11
of
them.
I
think
chamber.
Councilors
need
to
have
all
this
information
before
we
make
a
decision.
I
am
NOT,
saying
don't
get
involved
with
this
tree.
I
also
asked
the
question:
why
but
2015
motion
to
open
a
parks
and
trees,
Foundation
account
did
not
happen.
I
think
that's
a
very
important
question.
There's
a
GoFundMe
account
which
has
raised
about
$2,000
there's
a
brilliant
little
six-year-old
kid
who's
raised
nearly
a
thousand
dollars.
People
are
interested
in
this
tree.
K
We
need
to
get
the
owner
talking
to
the
city.
My
understanding
is,
the
city
is
asking
the
owner
for
a
price.
The
owner
is
waiting
for
the
city
to
give
a
price,
so
we
don't
even
know
really
what
this
house
is
going
to
be
valued
at
that's
an
important
point.
So,
yes,
councillor
Maliki,
has
put
a
motion
forward,
saying
we
put
city
funds
for
50%
and
we're
asking
residents
to
cepes
the
other
50%.
K
We
have
a
resident
mark,
Carlin
who's
offered,
$100,000
matching
funds.
If
a
city
will
put
this
money
in,
we
do
have
interests
in
the
community,
but
we
need
to
open
that
parks
and
trees.
Foundation
account
for
residents
as
I
say
again
to
be
able
to
get
a
tax
receipt
for
their
bet
for
their
money.
That
is
where
I
am
coming
from.
I
want
the
local
councillor
to
understand.
That
is
where
I
am
coming
from.
K
We
need
to
do
our
due
diligence,
because
if
we
do
go
forward
and
purchase
this
tree,
are
we
going
to
have
to
be
responsible
for
purchasing
another
11
properties,
and
are
we
going
to
be
setting
up
a
policy
saying
that
the
residents
in
the
local
community
after
therefore
raise
50%?
Before
we
will
look
at
this?
We
need
a
policy
in
place.
We
need
a
procedure
in
place.
We
need
to
let
the
residents
in
the
community
across
the
city
know
how
they
can
donate
if
they
would
like
to,
that
is
all
I'm
asking
and
I.
K
Don't
do
not
believe
I
came
in
and
did
any
motions
on
mystery.
I
took
information
which
I
received,
went
to
forestry
and
said
help
us
protect
this
tree.
That
is
where
I
am
coming
from.
I
did
not
suggest
purchasing
this
in
the
beginning,
because
I
didn't
even
know
the
city
would
even
think
about
it.
So
I'm
asking
all
counselors
to
look
at
this
very
carefully.
It
is
a
beautiful
stunning
tree.
K
G
G
So
I'm
just
moving
the
motion
that
we
received
the
confidential
attachment
and
we
authorized
the
release
of
the
attachment
following
the
closing
of
any
related
transaction.
This
the
second
thing
I'm
going
to
ask
the
clerk
to
do
if
they
could
put
up
councillor
mammal
Edie's
motion
on
the
on
the
screen.
I
would
ask
my
I
am
asking
my
colleagues
to
support
counts
from
Amelie
DS
motion.
G
I
was
actually
going
to
move
a
motion
to
acquire
the
site
subject
to
the
NGO
sector
and
the
private
sector,
agreeing
to
pay
50
percent
of
the
purchase
price,
but
councillor
Malini's
motion
is
actually
I'll
call
it
softer
than
mine
councillor.
Family
DS
motion
is
asking
for
a
staff
report
to
go
to
the
government
Management
Committee
on
the
feasibility
of
acquiring
it
and
protecting
this
site
and
on
a
report
asking
us
to
have
to
report
back
on
private
sector
and
NGOs
donors
raising
the
50%
of
the
estimated
property
value
for
this
250
year
old
tree.
G
Madam
Speaker,
we
did
as
a
council,
recommend
to
our
staff
to
investigate
and
to
attempt
to
protect
this
site
and
secure
the
site.
This
is
a
cultural
heritage
site.
This
is
the
Mona
Lisa
of
trees.
If
you've
ever
seen
the
Mona,
Lisa
and
thought
it
was
beautiful,
I'd
recommend
you
go
out
to
this
site.
Have
a
look
get
this
tree
and
you'll
say
yeah.
This
is
the
Mona
Lisa
of
trees
and
sitting
here
south
is
steals
Avenue
from
the
Foresters
that
I've
talked
to.
They
believe
this
is
certainly
in
their
opinion.
G
G
I
believe
what
happened
was
that
there
was
I,
don't
want
to
call
it
a
standoff.
There
was
this
chicken-and-egg
where
our
staff
said.
Well,
we
don't
have
an
exact
price
and
the
owner
said
you
haven't
made
me
an
offer,
so
we
sat
beside
each
other.
The
foundation
didn't
actually
know
how
much
money
they
were
supposed
to
raise
because
we,
the
city,
didn't
tell
them,
because
we,
the
city,
didn't,
have
a
purchase
of
agreement
and
sale,
but
we
have
a
confidential
report
today.
If
you
look
at
that
confidential
report,
you
know
exactly
to
the
penny.
G
G
Councillor
nunzio's
asked
me
to
mention,
because
in
her
award
she's
aware
of
the
the
young
young
Sophia
who's
six
years
old
has
raised
nine
hundred
and
twenty
five
dollars
through
her
own
efforts
to
help
save
the
tree,
I
mean
so
when
you
have
six
year
olds,
raising
money
to
help
the
City
of
Toronto
protect
things
we
should
certainly
should
listen
to
that.
We
should
say
you
know
what
it's
not
every
day
that
six-year-old
kids
put
out.
Lemonade
stands
and
have
bake
sales
and
ask
their
their
friends
and
family
to
make
contributions
to
that
significant
amount.
G
My
guess
is,
as
a
six-year-old
and
I
congratulate
Sophia
in
her
family.
This
is
probably
the
most
money
she's
ever
raised
for
any
cause
and
it's
a
very
good
cause
and
we
should
be
supportive
of
it.
There's
a
GoFundMe
campaign
that
just
started
on
its
own.
It's
at
it's
at
four
thousand
dollars,
I
understand
from
one
of
the
staff
at
the
of
the
living
City
Foundation.
They
started
up
a
fund
and
they're
at
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
now,
and
they
haven't
even
started
to
advertise
it.
G
L
L
It's
currently
in
private
hands,
I
hope
it
stays
that
way,
and
the
liability
of
that
tree
stays
with
that
owner.
I
have
no
interest
in
bringing
it
over
here.
I
hope
we'll
think
about
this
dimension
of
this
commit
more
commitment
that
we
might
be
able
to
make
in
the
future,
and
you
know
the
last
thing
I'll
add
is
you
know
it's
going
to
cost
a
lot
of
money
to
look
after
it.
It
cost
money
to
maintain
the
tree,
it
would
cost
money
to
acquire
the
property
and
the
ongoing
care
of
that.
L
C
Councillor
DT:
no,
please.
A
E
A
I
I
I
O
I
But
the
real
thing
is
that
this
is
where
people
require
or
need
for
their
loved
ones,
to
live
out
the
rest
of
their
days,
and
it
shows
that
out
of
the
seventy
four
that
aren't
city-owned
forty-three
well
over
half
need
to
be
redeveloped,
and
is
this
because
of
the
standards
that
were
set
by
the
Ontario
government.
That.
I
O
The
Ministry
of
Health
and
long-term
care
errs
structural
classification
system
has
four
categories:
ABCD.
They
also
have
what's
called
a
new-build
category
d
homes
were
redeveloped,
late,
1990s
and
early
2000s,
and
then
in
1998
they
designated
the
B
and
C
homes
that
have
that
structural
classification
for
mandatory
redevelopment.
I
I
O
A
L
I
thank
speaker
3
to
the
executive
director
I'm,
just
trying
to
make
some
sense
of
the
recommendations
that
came
out
of
the
CDR
committee
versus
what
was
provided
in
the
report
and
the
committee
added
a
number
of
additional
recommendations
and
I'm
hoping
to
get
some
understanding
of
them.
One
of
them
was
that
the
city
be
looked
to
be
designated
as
the
service
manager
and
I
wondered
in
your
opinion,
Speaker.
O
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
that
was
not
a
recommendation
of
staff.
What
is
included
in
the
staff
report
is
a
recommendation
that
the
city
pursue
discussions
with
the
ministry
with
the
local
health
integration
networks
in
order
to
explore
a
strengthening
of
the
partnership,
because
the
issue
that
the
city
is
facing
is
the
potential
loss
of
long-term
care
rooms
and
services
to
its
seniors.
L
Is
this
kind
of
like
daycare,
where
we're
a
service
manager
where
there
is
flow-through
of
money,
but
the
city
bears
a
bit
of
a
responsibility
for
organizing
and
arranging
for
the
provision
of
these
services?
In
your
estimation,
is
that
what
that
particular
recommendation
is
aiming
towards
that
we
we
take
a
little
bit
of
a
different
role,
maybe
a
less
passive
role
with
respect
to
long
term
care
and
a
more
active
one
is
that
is
that
what
that
that
recommendation
is
saying
yeah.
L
E
L
M
L
Got
it
I
got
it
because
the
lens
are
all
over
the
city?
Okay,
so
there
was
another
number
in
the
report.
Sorry,
in
the
recommendations
of
the
committee
was
again
to
adopt
the
long-term
goal
of
2018
beds.
They
see
that
I
see
that
came
from
table
number
two,
but
the
table
number
two
just
basically
talks
about
the
capacity
of
various
locations.
So
is
there
a
difference
between
an
at
the
the
goal
of
2018
beds
versus
the
capacity
is?
O
Through
you,
madam
Speaker,
there
there
is
a
difference.
It
was
indicating
what
is
possible
as
far
as
a
city
is
concerned,
when
staff
had
presented
the
capital
renewal
plan
back
in
2015
to
Council,
we
were
dealing
with
the
existing
number
of
long-term
care
beds
and
a
plan
how
to
move
forward
which
included
a
sequencing
of
the
redevelopment
projects,
because
one
of
the
problems
that
operators
face
within
the
city
of
Toronto
is
the
availability
of
land.
L
Okay
and
I
guess
I'll
getting
one
last
question
here.
The
recommendation
number
four
from
the
committee
asks
for
akin
to
the
city
to
undertake
a
capacity
assessment
for
long-term
care
services
for
the
City
of
Toronto
and
report
to
the
back
to
the
committee
and
what
is
the
difference
between
this
report
and
a
capacity
assessment
for
long-term
care
services?
What
is
the
committee
that
going
to
get
what
it
compared
to
what
it
doesn't
already
have
to
date
with
the
various
reports
that.
O
Thank
you
speak
through
you,
madam
Speaker.
What
information
we
don't
have
available,
although
the
the
map
that
was
provided
in
the
supplemental
report
has
a
little
bit
of
demographic
information
around
the
age
of
population
which
is
not
in
of
itself
a
true
indication
of
need
for
long-term
care,
of
course,
but
what
we
don't
know
is
how
great
a
need
there
is.
So
we
have
some
antidotal
type
information.
We
have
our
waiting
lists.
O
H
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
Through
your
staff,
the
province
is
aging
with
confidence.
Ontario's
action
plan
for
seniors
is
to
create
5,000
new,
long-term
care
beds
by
2022
and
30,000
over
the
next
decade.
What
are
what
are
those
impacts
for
Toronto
they're
declaring
these
these
this
goal,
but
are
they
providing
the
capital
and
operating
dollars
to
go
with
them
and
how
many
of
those
beds
would
go
into
Toronto.
O
Through
the
speaker,
currently,
we
don't
know
what
the
plan
is
as
far
as
allocation
of
beds
across
the
province,
I
will
say
that
the
30,000
number
of
beds
within
the
Ontario
government's
action
plan
has
been
supported
by
each
of
the
three
major
parties.
Each
of
the
parties
are
committing
to
a
minimum
of
30
thousand
beds
across
all
of
Ontario,
but
again
because
we
don't
have
the
information
that
was
the
source
of
this
planning
by
the
province.
We
don't
know
what
their
intention
is
as
far
as
the
allocation
of
beds
isn't.
O
O
H
L
O
H
O
H
How
how
closely
does
this
overlay
are
our
highest
concentration
of
seniors
population?
In
other
words,
how
close
are
these
locations?
Do
you?
Do
you
see
a
disconnect
with
the
locations
of
these
facilities
and
where
the
greatest
pockets
of
seniors
live,
or
do
you
see
a
pretty
close
overlay
of
the
two
pieces
of
data.
O
It's
it's
a
challenging
question
because
we
don't
have
again
full
information.
I
would
say
too
that
sometimes,
when
a
person
has
reached
the
point
that
they
need
long-term
care,
that
it
is
the
family's
choice
to
bring
their
mother
father
aunt
or
uncle
closer
to
where
they
live,
just
so
they're
in
greater
proximity
for
visitation
purposes.
So
it's
not
necessarily
a
guarantee
where
you
see
the
darker
green
and
see
the
the
older
seniors
that
make
up
those
communities
that
that's
necessarily
where
they'd
want
to
go.
Although
there
is
some
correlation,
of
course,
I
just.
O
Well,
once
you've
entered
a
long-term
care
home
in
many
cases,
that
would
be
your
destination
unless
that
wasn't
your
your
first
choice
of
home.
So
we
have
continuity
of
care
right
through
until
the
point
in
time
where
someone
is
palliative,
or
there
are
occasions
where
an
individual
has
had
their
health
restored
sufficiently,
that
they
can
go
back
to
their
own
home
Thank.
G
Before
we
go
to
our
next
questioner,
which
is
counselor,
Davis
staff
have
just
reported
that
they
found
an
earring
behind
the
council
here,
I
if
it's
not
counselor
Grimes's,
if
somebody's
lost
an
earring
in
the
back
close
to
the
elevator.
It's
up
here
at
the
speaker's
table,
it's
gold
and
it's
round,
and
it
does
look
like
it
could
be
councilor
Grimes's,
but
I'll
just
leave
it
here
for
people
to
check
as
they
come
in
and
out.
N
I
just
saw
your
name
up
there
for
the
first
time,
I
did
want
to
ask
about
the
municipal
benchmarking,
Network
Canada
performance
measurement
report,
which
is
identified
or
summarized
briefly
in
this
report.
Could
you
just
quickly
tell
us
what
the
conclusions
were
about
the
city's
level
of
meeting
community
need
compared
to
other
municipalities.
O
Through
the
Deputy
Speaker,
currently,
the
city
of
Toronto,
in
comparison
to
the
other
municipalities
that
we
have
benchmarked
against,
is
below
average
we're
currently
8
out
of
the
11
municipalities,
based
on
the
indicators
that
were
selected.
So
that
would
be
the
number
of
long-term
care
beds
when
compared
to
the
number
of
individuals
who
are
75
years
and
over.
But
as
I
indicated,
that
age
is
not
just
an
indicator
of
need
for.
O
N
O
It
is
concerning,
and
it's
concerning
from
two
vantage
points-
one
as
I
indicated
is
the
potential
of
those
who
do
have
a
long-term
care
home
in
Toronto
because
of
the
cost
of
land
wanting
to
relocate
outside
of
the
city.
So
that
exacerbates
the
issue
of
the
growing
need
and,
depending
on
what
statistics
you
look
at
the
rate
of
growth
of
seniors
in
the
city,
is
you
know
10
times
11
times
higher
than
the
number
of
beds
that
we
have
right
now
and
that's
just
the
growth
projection
right.
O
Through
the
Deputy
Speaker,
the
province
has
done
a
capacity
assessment.
My
understanding
is,
they
have
done
it
and,
based
on
that
information,
they
came
out
with
their
action
plan.
We
just
don't
have
the
information
that
was
part
of
that
study.
In
addition
to
that,
I
do
know
that
each
of
the
lenss
have
been
doing
their
own
planning
Toronto
central
then,
which
is
the
only
Lind
that
is
geographically
located.
O
O
N
I
mean
it
is
astounding
to
me
that
we
are
predicting
this
massive
lack
of
service
and
there
is
no
coordinated
planning
whatsoever.
So
the
recommendations
that
have
come
from
committee
is
that
we
should
look
at
creating
some
kind
of
a
service
system
explore
the
creation
of
a
service
service
system
management
role.
N
I
know
that
that
is
a
role
we
currently
have
for
childcare.
Is
that
something
that's
been
discussed
at
all
that
there
would
be
some
kind
of
City
of
Toronto
structure.
For
instance,
like
we
did
with
the
local
immigration
Partnership
table.
At
least
we
had
a
table
that
we
help
to
steer
some
of
the
the
planning.
O
Through
the
speaker,
we
do
have
a
City
of
Toronto
and
5.then
table
where
we
discuss
various
issues
as
far
as
the
service
manager
role.
It
is
currently
legislated
to
the
Linz
to
do
that.
City,
Toronto,
City
Council,
has,
in
the
past
made
recommendations
to
the
provincial
government
to
establish
one
line'
to
work
with
City
of
Toronto
for
planning
purposes,
and
certainly
I
would
suggest
that
that
would
be
a
great
starting
point
to
to
share
information
and
work
with
one
men
rather
than
with
the
violence.
M
O
E
It
over
to
legal,
the
city
could
certainly
sit
down
with
the
the
five
lens
and
talk
about
how
we
can
better
coordinate
service
system
planning
in
the
city,
and
we
do
have
a
table
with
the
lens
that
meets
fairly
well
a
few
times
a
year.
But
that
would
certainly
be
an
entry
point
that
we
could
use,
and
that
group
is.
M
Meeting
in
June-
oh
good,
so
there
are
people
out
there
with
provincial
licences
and
hands
hundreds
of
licenses
to
build
nursing
home
beds.
I
understand
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
that,
since
they
are
generated
by
the
province
that
some
or
most
of
the
operating
dollars
that
would
go
to
these
homes,
these
beds
and
the
capital
dollars
to
build
them
are.
There
are
pledged.
O
A
E
O
Through
you,
madam
speaker,
we
don't
necessarily
need
a
separate
classification
when
the
system
came
together.
Several
years
ago
there
were
municipal
homes
for
the
aged.
There
were
charitable
homes
for
the
aged
and
there
was
nursing
homes.
They
came
from
two
different
systems,
some
were
under
Ministry
of
Health
and
the
day
some
wonder,
Ministry
of
Community
and
Social
Services.
They
were
brought
together
and
a
new
licensing
system
was
introduced.
The
issue
for
municipalities
were
because
they
municipalities
are
the
only
operators
that
are
legislated
to
be
in
the
business
of
long
term
care.
O
O
O
M
O
O
O
Well,
what
the
ministry
requires
is
to
go
through
an
RFP
process,
so,
if
so
directed,
we
would
make
application.
The
next
time
beds
are
made
available
to
apply
for
those
beds,
and
you
know,
based
on
what
criteria
is
being
used
to
establish
the
locations
etc.
Then
we
would
either
be
a
successful
proponent
or
not
Thank.
I
They
have
a
motion,
their
speaker,
thank
you,
and
it
is
to
report
out
to
city,
are
a
list
of
the
current
B
facilities
in
the
city,
their
phase-out
dates
and
the
number
of
beds
in
each
of
them
and
again
the
list
of
current
C
facilities,
including
their
phase-out
dates
in
the
number
of
beds
for
each
facility
and
I'm.
Very
glad
that
this
this
report
came
to
CDR
and
I'm,
going
to
be
supporting
all
of
it
when
we
all
of
the
writing
is
very
interesting,
but
this
and
I'm
going
to
put
it
up
here.
I
I'm,
just
gonna
hope
that
there
we
go,
there
is
the
chart
that
was
provided
now,
as
mr.
Paul
said,
2015,
so
there's
been
some
changes.
If,
for
the
good,
we
have
redeveloped
one
of
our
long-term
care
homes,
but
there's
probably
also
been
changes
for
the
worse,
and
that
means
that
some
of
them
have
had
to
face
out.
Why
I've
asked
for
this
report.
As
you
can
see,
there
are
long
term
care
homes
all
over
our
city
and
there's
a
great
number
of
them
in
the
core
to
redevelop.
I
There
is
very
little
land
available
for
any
redevelopment
of
long
term
care
homes,
and
many
of
the
private
owners
and
private
operators
are
sitting
on
a
goldmine.
They
have
a
lot
of
money.
People
are
trying
to
buy
their
locations
and
they're
looking
to
put
their
licenses
somewhere
else
up
in
the
905
or
even
into
the
705,
because
that
is
what
they're
being
offered
through
the
Ministry
of
Health
and
long-term
care.
I
I
I'm
just
saying
this
is
a
tsunami
of
problems
coming
your
way
if
you
have
an
elderly,
parent
and
you're
planning
for
them
to
be
in
long-term
care,
and
you
know
that
every
time
someone
goes
into
care,
including
in
the
hospital
they
rely
on
you
bringing
food
on
you
visiting
on
you
picking
up
on
you
doing,
many
of
those
things
that
one
would
had
expected
in
the
past
would
have
been
done
by
staff.
There's
simply
not
enough
staff,
and
these
folks
are
often
in
a
very
compromised
situation.
We
do
have
a
crisis
here.
I
There
have
been
for
for
long-term
care
facilities,
just
in
Toronto
Danforth.
Two
of
them
have
already
relocated.
One
of
them
has
closed
the
others
relocated.
The
other
two
are
on
the
redevelopment
list
because
they
are
seized
and
seized
have
to
space
out
by
a
certain
time,
even
for
a
small
transgression
of
a
hallway.
That's
one
foot
too
small.
That
facility
is
deemed
no
longer
available
for
long-term
care.
This
is
a
crisis
in
policy
from
the
Ontario
government.
I
It's
a
crisis
in
practical
living
because
of
the
fact
there's
five
lens
looking
after
the
elderly
and
those
who
need
this
type
of
long-term
care,
and
you
can
see
it's
a
crisis
when
we
look
across
our
city
and
we
see
the
concentration
of
these
of
these
facilities.
If
you
look
at
Scarborough,
there
are
so
many
of
them,
and
there
are
so
many
of
them
that
need
to
be
redeveloped
I'm.
Looking
at
the
map
and
seeing
the
little
round
dots,
so
I
think
that
we
need
to
do
more
work
on
this.
I
C
M
Speaker,
I,
don't
know
how
things
got
this
bad.
There
has
been
virtually
no
planning
for
seniors,
even
though
we
are
an
aging
population.
The
hospitals
that
I
visited
lately
have
seniors
in
the
corridors
seniors
on
entire
floors
and
sometimes
an
entire
wings
waiting
for
long-term
beds.
They
have
no
place
to
go.
There
aren't
long-term
beds
available
since
September
because
of
a
personal
family
situation.
I've
been
touring.
These
places
and
I
wouldn't
put
a
relative
in
a
C
designated
place.
M
Sporadically
we
have
had,
in
the
past
some
little
announcement
from
the
feds
or
provincial
governments
that
have
said
we'll,
give
you
this
much
for
this
limited
extent.
So
we
have
many
programs
here
and
there
and
we
have
gap
financing.
We
don't
have
a
long-term,
purposeful
way
of
funding
budgets
for
this
type
of
care.
It
takes
millions
and
millions
and
millions
of
dollars
a
year
in
order
to
take
care
of
our
seniors.
Yes,
you
can
shrug
and
say
bye-bye
provincial
legislation.
M
They're
doing
neither
can
I
remind
you
that
a
short
while
ago,
some
of
the
hospitals
in
our
area
were
closed
in
the
northern
part
of
the
city
through
the
amalgamation
of
the
Humber
Hospital
sites.
They
had
to
quickly
reopen
one
that
doesn't
have
proper
venting
and
air
conditioning
procedures
and
all
of
that
and
elect
and
electrical
they
had
to
open
one
to
warehouse.
M
Warehouse
I
tell
you
hundreds
of
our
seniors
in
a
stopgap
measure
because,
again
they're
living
in
hospital
corridors.
We
can't
allow
this
in
good
conscience
to
go
through.
As
we
have
been
for
the
last
few
years.
We
have
to
take
steps
to
show
the
province.
It's
very
limited,
focus
on
what
should
be
our
greatest
focus,
our
seniors.
M
M
I'm
so
sad
about
this
situation,
I'm
sad
to
see
it
firsthand
as
I
visit
these
these
institutions,
one
by
one.
This
map
should
have
a
lot
more
dots.
This
map
is
woefully
lacking
in
its
care
and
it's
reflective
of
the
society
that
has
created
this
map
at
all
levels
of
government.
Thank
you,
Thank
You,.
H
H
As
a
baby,
baby
boom
generation
reached
this
age
bracket,
causing
an
increase
by
twenty
seven
point,
four
percent
from
2011
to
2016,
and
you
know
you,
don't
you
don't
know,
what's
going
to
come
forward
as
far
as
the
next
government
is
concerned,
and
the
aging
with
confidence,
blueprint
and
task
force,
that's
coming
forward,
we
don't
know
the
goal
to
create
5,000
new
long-term
beds
by
2022
and
30,000
over
the
next
decade.
I
mean
that's.
H
That's
merely
band-aid
solutions,
that's
merely
catching
up
to
a
crisis
that
is
already
within
us
and
and
it's
important
to
remember
that
a
bed
a
bed
is
not
enough.
I
mean
if
you've
been
to
many
of
these
long-term
care
homes.
You
have
have
proper
patient
care.
You
have
to
have
a
physical
site
that
is
safe.
You
have
to
have
all-night
monitoring.
You
have
to
make
sure
that
the
duty
of
care
and
the
level
of
care
is,
is
respectable.
H
It's
safe
and,
of
course,
it's
dignified
I
am
a
little
concerned
about
some
of
the
ongoing
discussions
with
our
Lin's
I
can
tell
you
our
experience
with
the
central
line'
regarding
the
branson
urgent
care
center,
which
not
only
had
an
urgent
care
center,
but
85,000
outpatients.
Many
of
them
seniors
day
gave
the
green
light
to
North
York
General
Hospital
to
shut
that
down,
which
has
caused
enormous
problems
and
anxiety
in
our
area.
H
This
is
an
excellent,
an
excellent
discussion,
paper
and
I
think
we
have
to
show
our
leadership
and
make
sure
that
when
we
take
on
the
expansion
of
maybe
our
envelope
of
long-term
care
beds
that
the
province
is
there
to
help
fund
it
not
only
the
capital
to
build,
but
also
the
operating
as
we
go
and
operating
that's
sufficient
to
make
sure
the
level
of
care
is
there
as
well
so
I.
Thank
you
a
madam
Speaker
I.
Thank
you
once
again,
city
staff
and
members
of
my
committee
for
their
attention
to
this
file.
Thank.
E
N
Thank
You
speaker,
I,
have
two
motions:
one
of
them
is
where's.
The
microphone
here
it
is.
One
of
them
is
to
request
our
deputy
city
manager
to
pull
together
the
Ministry
of
Health
and
the
five
Lin's
to
establish
a
new
coordinating
and
planning
table
to
actually
create
a
service
plan
and
a
redevelopment
and
growth
strategy
for
long-term
care
for
Toronto.
The
second
is
to
ask
for
the
province
of
Ontario
to
release
their
recently
completed
capacity
assessment
for
long-term
care
in
Ontario.
E
N
So
one
of
the
important
things
we
have
to
reiterate-
and
we
have
asked-
and
this
report
suggested
as
well-
that
we
call
on
the
provincial
government
to
create
a
Toronto
Lin
and
if
we
are
not
successful
with
that,
we
should
at
least
bring
together
the
central
line',
who
is
doing
most
of
the
work
with
the
others
and
the
Ministry
of
Health.
To
say
we
need
a
plan
for
Toronto
and
we
need
for
the
City
of
Toronto
a
better
understanding
of
how
many
what
the
demand
is
going
to
be
for
the
future.
N
So
we
are
facing
a
crisis.
It
is
a
crisis
and
if
you
have
been
in
a
long-term
care
home
recently,
you
will
see
that
most
of
the
people
who
are
in
long-term
care
now
are
extremely
elderly,
extremely
complex
and
frail
seniors.
And
if
we
don't
begin
to
plan,
we
will
find
ourselves
with
thousands
of
Torontonians
who
are
not
getting
the
kind
of
care
they
need,
so
I
hope,
you'll
support.
My
emotions
and
I
do
hope.
N
A
D
A
A
L
C
C
C
A
E
N
F
You,
madam
Speaker,
as
as
you
know,
we
have
been
in
negotiations
with
the
TDSB
for
many
years,
since
these
agreements
expired,
the
agreements
have
been
in
over
hold.
We
have
made
many
proposals
at
the
table,
there's
been
many
transitions
of
new
staff
and
the
TDSB
and
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
none
of
our
proposals
have
been
acceptable
and
we
continue
to
be
at
a
stalemate
in
the
agreement.
N
H
F
Madam
Speaker,
there
are
a
number
of
outstanding
issues
most
significantly.
The
TDSB
continues
to
experience
growth
in
the
need
for
some
of
the
spaces
that
we
currently
use
in
many
of
these
schools
as
a
result
of
the
extension
of
full-day
kindergarten
and
childcare
spaces
within
the
school.
So
we
continue
to
struggle
both
over
committed
space
in
these
schools,
as
well
as
the
cost
for
the
city
to
access
this
space
on
an
ongoing
basis.
Okay,.
N
F
You,
madam
Speaker,
this
isn't
currently
specific
examples
of
it,
but
they
are
examples
of
the
kind
of
dialogues
that
we
have
with
the
school
board
around
how
we
want
to
maintain
the
existing
spaces
that
we
have.
So
as
an
example,
some
of
the
spaces
have
changed
as
the
needs
of
the
school
has
changed.
We
may
have
negotiated
one
room
in
exchange
for
another
and
a
variety
of
different
things,
but
the
use
of
space
continues
to
be
one
of
the
I
know.
N
F
Three,
madam
Speaker,
we
continue
to
negotiate
with
the
TDSB.
As
you
know,
we
don't
own
these
schools
they're,
not
fully
ours,
to
make
decisions
on
how
they're
used
or
the
types
of
agreements
they
have
kept
the
agreements
and
over
hold.
At
this
point,
so
you
know
we
continue
on
the
terms
of
the
previous
agreement
until
a
new
one
has
been
developed
and
we
continue
to
you
know
in
the
way
that
we
have
over
the
last
several
years.
F
N
The
TDSB
would
be
shocked
if
we
decided
not
to
give
them
five
million
for
our
pools
and
another
five
million.
Is
it
for
recreation
space,
so
ten
million
dollars
we
give
them
I
think
they'd
be
shocked.
If
we
told
them,
we
would
not
pay
them
until
these
agreements
are
signed.
I
know
that's
a
rhetorical
question.
Wouldn't
you
agree
three.
F
P
N
F
E
H
E
H
H
You
Thank
You
mr.
speaker,
Thank
You,
counselor
Davis,
for
your
robust
questioning
when,
when
agreements
expire
and
not
renewed
or
updated
and
I'm,
not
a
lawyer,
isn't
normal
contract
law
that
the
existing
agreement
sort
of
stays
in
place
until
a
new
agreement
is
negotiated?
Are
we
barred
from
any
of
our
access
to
school
sites
based
on
the
programming
that
we
run
there
through.
F
H
It
would
be
like
a
collective
collective
bargaining
unit
working
without
a
contract.
They
they
sort
of
we're
kind
of
muddling
along
without
firm
documentation
in
place
without
a
new
contract,
but
we
still
have
access
to
space.
We
still
have
access
to
so
decrypt
yeah.
Now
we
are
many
occasions
here:
allocate
funds
to
school
boards
through
section
37
agreements
through
cost-shared
agreements.
Normally
an
addendum
to
those
agreements
is
shared
use.
Are
we
not
executing
those
agreements
before
we
release
the
funds
so.
F
Three
litem
speaker
there.
These
are
different
types
of
agreements,
so
the
agreement
before
you
is
is,
is
very
specific
to
27
specific
schools
and
specific
space
in
those
schools
that
the
city
has
either
used
over
time
or
actually
contributed
capital
into
those
schools.
Some
time
ago,
the
section
37
agreements
that
you're
speaking
of
where
the
city
might
contribute
to
a
playground
redevelopment.
Those
are
different
types
of
agreements
and
certainly
the
TDSB
has
not
been
withholding
access
to
those
types
of
agreement,
especially
in
their
in
their
public
playground,
spaces
I.
Don't.
F
H
Want
to
minimize
it,
but
it
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
any
need
to
panic.
From
from
what
I've
seen
here,
we
still
have
full
access
to
the
various
City
assets
that
are
funded
or
operating
there.
No
one
is
known
as
Bardis.
It
represents
a
very
small
percentage
of
school
school
sites,
but
I
guess
the
negotiation
is
very
important
to
keep
going
yeah.
F
E
N
Again,
okay
I
was
going
to
move
the
motion
and
I'll
take
it
to
committee,
but
that
we
provide
that
we
ask
the
general
manager
to
report
to
see
DRC
with
a
list
of
schools
where
the
TDSB
has
indicated
their
interest
in
recovering
space
or
have
actually
occupied
or
recovered
space
now
councillor
Pasternak
is
trying
to
suggest
that
somehow
this
is
not
a
big
issue.
It
is,
and
in
the
old
city
of
Toronto
and
East
York,
our
community
centers
are
in
schools.
N
They
are
joint
use
facilities
that
were
built
with
money
from
the
city
or
from
other
levels
of
government,
and
it
was
intended
to
be
able
to
use
what
little
public
space
we
have
to
build
in
an
efficient
way
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
range
of
services
available
in
school
community
center
hubs.
That
was
the
thinking
in
the
80s.
That
was
the
thinking
in
the
90s.
N
However,
at
the
turn
of
the
century,
in
2000
between
2000
and
2002,
these
agreements,
most
of
them
were
20-year
agreement
expired
and
we
have
not
been
able
to
renegotiate
these
agreements.
So
have
there
been
an
impacts?
Yes,
Brown
school
and
I
wish
councilor
Matt
Louis.
Here
the
school
board
recovered
our
community
space
at
Brown
school.
N
They
gave
notice
to
recover
space
in
a
school
in
my
ward,
our
community
center,
which
we
built
and
paid
for
they
wanted
to
recover,
and
instead
of
doing
it
formally
because
these
agreements
were
have
now
been
extended
and
this
one
was
extended
for
one
year
one
year
they
have
occupied
the
office,
the
kitchen
and
the
program
space,
because
the
school
just
kind
of
moved
in
and
there
are
other
places,
it
was
a
school
in
the
beach
as
well.
That
was
given
notice
in
which
that
community
center,
in
which
that
community
center
lost
a
room.
N
N
L
N
I'm
going
to
move
again
to
have
a
report
back
I
want
to
understand
what
are
the
outstanding
issues.
The
trustees
need
to
understand
what
they
are,
because
they
are
doing
nothing
to
try
and
resolve
this,
nothing
and
frankly,
I'm
fed
up
of
having
the.
If
this
will
now
be
the
fourth
meeting
in
a
local
school
community
center
to
try
and
negotiate
getting
back
the
kitchen,
the
program
room
and
the
gym.
N
So
you
know
I
think
it's
time
we
got
this
settled
and
it's
it's
just
inexcusable.
It's
now
been
shunted
off
to
not
the
school
board.
It's
been
shunted
off
to
the
now
they're,
trying
to
Lance
corporation
for
them
to
try
and
resolve
it
so
give
them
I
willing
to
give
them.
You
know
another
month,
although
I
understand
they've
got
a
new
template.
They
want
to
work
from
now
and
they're,
starting
from
scratch.
H
N
H
And
and
and
you're
right,
this
city
I
would
agree
with
councilor
Davis.
The
city
has
been
most
most
generous
with
our
school
board,
our
pool
services
agreement,
our
shared
use
agreements.
We
give
them
somewhere
in
the
vicinity
of
thirteen
million
dollars
to
deliver
student
nutrition
programs.
I
can't
even
add
up
some
of
the
section
37
monies
that
we've
done
in
their
playgrounds
and
their
other
facilities,
the
the
daycare
as
well.
We
have
made
our
public
school
system
healthier
and
stronger,
and
the
and
the
parents
that
take
their
kids
there
are
benefiting
from
it.
H
I
think
the
problems
that
we're
facing
with
the
school
board
are
systemic
to
the
school
board
itself.
I
was
walking
by
one
of
the
schools
that
have
one
of
our
funded
pools
in
it.
There
was
a
big
banner
outside
talking
about
the
pool
and
how
how
great
it
is
and
mentioning
the
province
is
the
source
of
funding
and
no
mention
of
the
City
of
Toronto
as
a
major
source
of
funding
for
that
pool,
and
when
we
were
building
the
new
playground
sets
city
funded
through
section
37
in
Ward
10.
H
There
was
a
big
banner
outside
from
the
province
of
Ontario,
building,
building
Ontario
or
whatever,
no
recognition.
What's
ever
that
the
City
of
Toronto
had
had
in
fact
funded
the
new
accessible
playground.
So
our
problems
are
problems
with
the
school
board.
Go
well
beyond
this.
This
access
agreement
I'm
not
trying
to
minimize
the
challenge
in
these
negotiations,
but
I'm
not
going
to
get
all
wobbly
that
the
world's
gonna
fall
apart.
H
At
the
same
time,
my
credits
staff
I
thank
staff
for
their
ongoing
diligence
on
this
file.
Naturally,
the
City
of
Toronto
feels
more
comfortable
when
we
have
locked
in
agreements
and
we
can
secure
and
protect
the
space
that
we
cherish
and
the
programming
that
goes
on
it,
because
we
know
that
a
healthier
City
is
usually
the
result
of
a
good
partnership
between
the
City
of
Toronto
and
its
local
school
board.
Thank
you.
E
B
Just
a
couple
of
quick
words:
you
know
you
know
the
reality
is
on
the
school
board.
When
I,
when
I
became
a
trustee
in
2003,
the
school
board
had
had
had
something
like
80
schools
that
were
on
average
40%
empty
by
the
time
I
finished
in
2010.
That
number
had
gone
from
60
or
70
to
over
115
schools
there
on
average
half
empty.
So
the
only
part
of
the
reason
that
we
have
space
in
those
schools
is
because
of
the
TDSB.
Did
the
TDS
beast
declining
enrollment?
B
So
what's
happened
since
then,
since
since
then
we
have
had
all-day
kindergarten
put
in
so
all-day
kindergarten
has
gone
into
the
the
middle
schools
or
the
junior
middle
school.
It
has
so
councillor,
Davis,
I'm,
sorry,
I,
don't
know
what
planet
you're,
but
all
day
care
all
day
all
day.
Kindergarten
is
right
across
the
province
and
that
has
put
a
huge
burden
on
the
TDs
B's
facilities.
So
if
they
need,
if
the
school
board
needs
a
a
room,
a
kitchen
to
teach
kids
how
to
cook,
that's
a
good
thing.
B
B
But
the
reality
of
the
situation
is
school.
Boards
have
to
consolidate
to
be
efficient
when
they
consolidate
it's
not
only
about
being
efficient.
It's
about
proper
programming
in
the
schools.
Small
schools
do
not
have
proper
programming
for
children.
Larger
schools
with
more
populous
student
population
have
better
programming.
A
A
D
A
D
Q
Yes,
we
do.
Thank
you
in
May
of
sorry.
Last
last
year
we
talked
about
doing
an
education
campaign
about
this
time
and
about
in
the
month
of
September
to
notify
the
broad
public,
and
hopefully
it
would
reach
the
years
of
the
land
of
landlords
that
around
frankly
air-conditioning
for
the
summer
and
then
heating
for
the
winter,
given
that
with
global
climate
change,
that
our
dates
are
somewhat
not
working
as
well
as
they
have
in
the
past.
R
Through
the
speaker
to
councillor
mackovic,
we
sent
out
a
letter
last
week
to
all
building
owners
advising
them
of
the
flexibility
in
the
interpretation
of
our
heating
bylaw
and
how
they
can
use
their
discretion
to
turn
off
the
heat.
If
the
interior
temperatures
of
the
buildings
are
over
our
21
degrees
or
higher.
So
we've
we've
started
that
education
campaign
making
them
aware
of
that,
as
well
as
we're
proposing
some
amendments
to
the
bylaw
to
make
it
clearer
about
that
requirement.
Great.
Q
Many
a
landlord
used
to
if
I'm,
not
mistaken,
contract
with
us,
with
a
furnace
air-conditioning
person
or
company
to
basically
come
in
a
day
or
two
beforehand
and
turn
on
the
air
conditioner,
and
that
was
it
and
now
I
think
we're
saying
as
a
city
that
that
system,
if
you're
doing
that
system
as
a
landlord,
is
not
really
appropriate
because
there
may
be
higher
temperatures
starting
earlier
in
May.
And
so
a
landlord
should
be
prepared
to
adhere
to
the
maximum
heat
in
at
an
earlier
period
of
time.
Through.
R
To
the
speaker
to
accounts
from
a
havoc,
we
do
not
have
a
maximum
heat
by
law.
We
have
a
requirement
in
our
by
law
that
if
there
is
air
conditioning
provided
in
the
building,
if
the
temperature
exceeds
26
degrees
Celsius,
then
the
air
conditioning
system
shall
be
operational,
but
otherwise
we
do
not
have
any
other
maximum
heat
required.
Q
The
and
and
the
converse
is
present
in
September
around
heat,
that's
correct
and
the
education
campaign
that
you're
saying
you've
upped
your
your
area,
you
you've
upped.
Your
work
in
this
area
is
just
to
notify
landlords
of
that
of
the
way
we
are
both
situated
in
terms
of
the
bylaw,
but
also
in
terms
of
enforcing
the
bylaw
we've.
R
Made
them
aware
of
the
how
we
interpret
and
apply
the
bylaw
will
be
doing
further
work
with
them
once
the
proposed
bylaw
amendments
that
are
in
front
of
Council
are
approved
because
that
changes
the
fine
structure
we're
proposing.
So
we've
not
done
anything
in
regards
to
that
at
this
moment
in
time,
pending
council's
decision
on
the
proposed
bylaw,
okay.
Q
So
I
have
a
minute
left,
so
anyone
who's
experiencing.
Let's
say
we
have
a
heat
wave
in
the
next
few
days.
They
they
should
be
calling
our
public
health
or
3-1-1
frankly,
and
they
will
be
directed
to
an
enforcer
to
someone
who
will
inspect.
We
will
send
out
that
inspector
and
the
public
need
are
especially
our
tenants
need
to
be
a
way
aware
that
that
service
is
available
to
them.
If.
R
L
You
speaker
through
you
to
staff
I
just
wondered
if
I
could
help
understand.
If
you
could
help
me
understand
how
the
financial
works
so
in
the
report
in
the
recommendations,
staff
have
recommended
that
I
follow
up
report
come
back
that
talks
about
requiring
that
all
existing
apartment
buildings
provide
air-conditioning
units
or
an
air-conditioned
cool
room
in
the
building.
If
its
units,
how
does
those?
How
do
those
costs
get
dealt
with?
How
do
they
get
passed
on
to
the
tenant?
Does
the
landlord
absorb
them?
How
does
this
work.
R
Through
the
speaker
to
councillor
Holliday,
with
respect
to
costing
and
passing
on
costs
to
tenants
for
improvements
to
the
buildings,
that's
governed
by
the
resident
residential
tenancy
act,
so
I
can't
speak
definitively
to
that
question.
But
we
do
know
that
certain
costs
can
in
fact
be
passed
on
to
the
tenants
through
a
rent
increase.
L
What
are
other
jurisdictions
doing
about
this
matter
like
do
you
have
this?
Do
you
are
you
aware,
if
there's
the
same
type
of
complaints
and
concerns,
you
know
York
Region
places
further
north
I
mean
there's
apartment
buildings
all
over
the
province?
Is
this
a
Toronto
specific
issue,
or
is
this
more
widespread
I
can't.
L
Time
is
really
limited:
I
don't
I'm
not
really
concerned
with
southern
US,
because
their
climate
is
way
different
than
ours.
I'm
really
interested
very
respectfully
I'm
interested
in
jurisdictions
around
the
GTA
and
the
province.
Other
communities
as
this
is
this
prevalent
in
Barry,
perhaps
I
think.
R
This
is
part
of
the
larger
piece
of
work
we
have
to
do
which
is
looking
at.
We
know,
there's
an
issue
here
in
the
city
we're
hearing
about
this
issue.
I
imagine
buildings
of
similar
vintage
in
other
parts
of
the
province
would
be
having
similar
challenges,
especially
around
the
GTA,
where
we're
all
experiencing
the
same
temperatures
at
the
same
time,
but
we
will
be
doing
more
extensive
work
on
looking
at
what
are
the
solutions
going
forward
and
we'll
be
able
to
answer
that
question
and
more
definitive?
Do.
L
R
There
is
no
requirement
in
the
Ontario
Building
Code
that
requires
that
apartment
buildings
be
air-conditioned.
We
are
not
proposing
that
buildings
be
air-conditioned.
We're
proposing
as
part
of
the
work
going
forward
that
we
look
at
is
as
a
possible
solution
and
what
are
the
ramifications
of
such
a
solution
being
implemented.
But
today
we
are
not.
We
are
not
recommending
that
today,
okay,.
L
So
your
report
back
would
be
fairly
comprehensive,
then
about
other
jurisdictions
about
codes
standards
costs
you
know.
Is
there
hydro
capacity
to
do
all
of
this
kind
of
stuff?
You
know
giving
us
a
complete
sense
of.
You
know
that
this
it's
it's
an
age-old
question,
I
guess.
If
we've
had
apartment
buildings
for
a
hundred
years,
people
have
been
asking.
You
know:
why
aren't
the
air
conditioned
you'll
have
a
very
comprehensive
answer
for
us
in
the
report
back
that
you're
proposing
that's.
R
L
A
C
C
R
We
don't
believe
so
I
think
part
of
the
confusion.
Right
now
is
the
way
the
bylaw
is
worded.
Is
we
know
that
a
law
of
line
Lords
believe
that
the
way
the
bylaws
worded
means
they
must
keep
their
heat
system
on?
Even
if
the
temperature
was
outside
28
degrees
for
the
next
several
days,
they
believe
they
must
keep
their
eating
system
on.
R
That's,
not
what
the
bylaw
is
meant
to
be
so
we're
proposing
clarity
to
that
and,
of
course,
we've
already
communicated
to
them,
but
that
is
not
how
the
bylaw
is
meant
to
be
interpreted
or
applied,
that
they
can
in
fact
turn
off
their
heating
systems.
As
long
as
that,
minimum
temperature
inside
the
dwelling
unit
is
being
maintained.
So.
C
R
So
right
now
counselor,
we
don't
have
a
requirement
that
we
have
the
minimum
temperature
they
must
maintain.
We
have
no
requirements
about
maximum
temperatures
if
a
building
does
not
have
air
conditioning-
and
we
are
not
addressing
that
issue
at
this
moment
in
time-
that
was
work
that
we're
going
to
do
in
the
future
and
come
back
and
report
on
a
later
date
in
2019
I.
C
R
C
My
understanding
was
along
those
lines
that
it
will
not
be
recommended
this
time
due
to
technical
and
financial
barriers,
as
previously
reported
by
the
Toronto
Public
Health
I'm.
Just
referring
to
my
notes
during
the
committee
meeting
is
that
is
that
the
case?
That
is
the
case.
Yes
great.
Thank
you.
A
A
C
A
L
You
speaker
I,
had
to
the
first
is
in
the
report.
The
MLS
staff
have
recommended
a
couple
of
pieces
of
information
in
recommendation
number,
one
that
they
collect
from
fraternity
and
sorority
houses
and
I
was
just
wondering.
I
was
surprised
that
there's
no
request
for
information
on
proof
of
insurance
is
that
anything
that's
a
merit
to
collect,
because
it
occurs
to
me
that
from
a
fire
safety
perspective
and
mostly
other
perspectives
that
are
brought
up
if
the
residences
are
properly
insured,
that
those
type
of
matters
are
dealt
with
through
that
process.
R
L
C
Now
there
was
no
relationship
with
them.
What
we
had
put
in
our
original
staff
report
was
a
for
them
to
validate
that
they
are
that
they
meet
the
exemption
and
that
they
are
a
bonafide,
fraternity
or
sorority,
which
is
what
the
exemption
says.
So
what
we
were
trying
to
do
was
an
administrative
change
to
paper
it
so
that
we
knew
that
they
were
in
good
standing
with
their
international
or
national
fraternity,
and
then
we'd
have
contact
numbers
for
locally
and
contact
numbers
nationally.
So.
L
L
C
Defer
to
fire
on
that
counselor
through
the
speaker,
Toronto
Fire,
does
not
maintain
a
file
on
these
19
buildings.
Specifically,
we
treat
these
buildings
as
we
would
any
other
building
under
the
regulations
under
which
we
operate.
So
if
we
have
attended,
we
would
certainly
have
files
on
them,
but,
as
a
matter
of
course,
we
do
not
keep
a
specific.
C
C
C
The
chair
again,
it
depends
counselor
on
the
nature
of
the
call.
So,
for
example,
if
it
will,
it
was
if
it's
been
one
of
the
18
medical
calls
that
we've
attended
over
the
last
number
of
years.
That
may
or
may
not
trigger
an
inspection
based
on
the
observations
of
the
firefighters
at
the
time.
So
as
a
matter
of
practice.
No,
but
certainly
each
case
is
looked
on
on
its
specific.
L
R
D
C
D
Q
D
C
C
D
Is
not,
is
it
required
to
have
an
annual
license?
No,
it
is
not
to
fire.
Is
a
rooming
house
required
to
have
an
annual
inspection
as
part
of
getting
there
by
your
staff
as
part
of
getting
their
license
renewed
through
the
chair?
Yes,
it
is
counselor
is
a
fraternity
required
to
have
an
annual
fire
inspection
as
part
of
being
able
to
stay
open
through
the
chair,
no
they're,
not
counselor.
Thank
you.
C
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
apologize
that
some
of
my
questions
are
repetitive.
I
was
in
the
counsel
of
the
members
lounge
dealing
with
a
few
issues
with
respect
to
this
item.
Maybe
it's
to
planning
the
comment
was
made
that
rooming
houses
aren't
allowed
everywhere.
Just
in
certain
areas
does
the
classification
change
to
a
rooming
house
would
that
affect
any
existing
fraternities
to
have
to
vacate
their
premises
if
we
zone
them
rooming.
H
C
That
they're,
currently
located
zone
for
rooming
houses,
I
believe
so
I
believe
generally.
Yes,
it
is
okay
and
then
one
more
question,
I'm,
not
sure
if
it's
quick
question
I'm,
not
sure
if
the
answer
is
quick,
essentially
just
a
quick
overview
and
I
understand
a
little
bit
afire,
but
there's
obviously
a
structure
to
our
bylaws
when
we
when
we
dedicate
something
to
be
a
rooming
house.
What
are
those
elements
that
now
change
so
there's
an
annual
fire
inspection?
That's
required.
C
C
Don't
believe
it
there'd
be
further
restrictions
other
than
the
requirement
to
have
a
license
and
then
to
the
annual
inspection.
So
the
license
is:
can
you
just
elaborate
on
the
license
if
a
home
is
determined
to
be
a
rooming
house,
that's
required
to
be
licensed
that
pays
an
annual
fee
and
adds
an
annual
inspection
so
that
annual
inspection
will
make
sure
that
there's
proper
exits
all
that
proper
lighting,
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
R
Through
the
speaker
that
councillor
D
Channel
there's
annual
inspections
by
both
misspell
licensing
and
standards
and
trial
fire,
as
well
as
if
it's
licensed,
and
if
there
are
issues
raised
with
the
manner
in
which
the
rooming
house
is
operated,
there
can
be
a
hearing
by
a
rooming
house,
commissioner,
and
they
have
the
right
to
impose
conditions
on
the
rooming
house
operator
or
in
fact
they
could
have.
The
rooming
house
license
revoked
okay.
So.
C
R
C
C
C
You
speaking
to
302
emailer
staff.
This
item
has
been
before
City
Council
back
to
I.
Believe
that
2011
is
that
correct.
That
is
correct.
There
was
a
report
to
committee
in
June
of
2011
and
then
on
to
Council,
and
then
there
was
another
report
before
the
Executive
Committee
last
year.
Correct
the
one
an
Executive
Committee
was
the
motion
that
put
this
work
into
play.
Yeah
and
those
are
the
recommendations
that
I
put
forward
asking
city
staff
to
bring
a
report
forward
and
that's
what's
before
us
as
directed
from
the
executive
committee
last
year.
C
Yes,
thank
you
so
in
terms
of
public
consultation,
because
that's
the
key
and
there
was
a
working
group
that
was
formed
within
the
recommendations.
Was
there
any
public
meeting
conducted
as
a
follow-up
to
that
directive
from
the
executive?
Yes,
we
hosted
three
meetings,
one
with
residential
groups
rate
payer
groups,
one
with
the
fraternities
and
sororities,
and
we
held
a
public
meeting
all
in
November
of
2017.
C
C
Now
would
be
preferred
to
say
that
those
concerns
under
the
appropriate
standards
or
the
existing
bylaws
that
we
had
that
can
be
enforced
under
the
existing
regulations
that
we
have
that's
correct.
Now,
one
of
the
recommendations,
the
key
recommendation
actually
was
deleted.
Recommendation
number
one
and
naturally
just
for
clarification
purposes.
I
was
not
on
the
chair
at
the
moment,
and
that
happened
and.
C
But
that
recommendation
call
forum,
wonderful,
second,
that
City
Council
amend,
chapter
285
and
we're
returning
since
all
rights
we'll
have
to
submit
an
application
and
with
certification
about
and
so
on,
so
they
have
a
B
and
C
those
three
aspects
and
and
then
that
was
replaced
with
a
new
recommendation
and
that
for
them
to
be
licensed
instead,
what's
what's
your
take
on
that?
Oh
my
take
on
it
would
be.
C
So
these
recommendations
actually
is
paving
the
way
to
the
way
excited
by
the
committee
embrace
is
by
changing
the
pressure
augmentation,
but
it's
just
a
bit
more
premature.
Would
that
be
fair
to
say,
I
think
what
committee
elected
to
do
was
to
remove
the
exemption
and
that
staff
would
have
to
go
out
and
determine
if
they
are
in
fact,
the
rooming
house
item
three
would
then
actually
be
redundant
recommendation
three
would
be
redundant.
D
C
B
I
understand
there
were
something
like
40
complaints
of
noise
in
five
years:
wood
wood,
making
these
four
fraternity
houses
into
a
rooming
house.
Would
that
eliminate
the
partying
the
partying
stopped,
you
know
maybe
some
late
night
drinking.
Would
that
probably
stop
if
they're
rooming
houses,
not
necessarily
no?
Why
did
staff
not
recommend
removing
the
exemption.
C
B
A
B
The
name
mailing
address,
email,
address,
etc
of
the
continent
and
the
in
contact
person.
So
in
the
staff
report,
I
can
read
the
staffs
own
own
words.
Staff
in
the
course
of
consultations,
staff
discovered
that
the
issues
of
noise,
garbage
and
other
nuisances
are
not
exclusively
attributed
to
the
residents
of
fraternity
and
sorority
houses,
but
also
to
other
student
residents
in
the
area,
as
well
as
visitors
to
the
local
nightclubs.
B
B
Sorry
further
municipal
license
against
standards
will
undertake
a
consultation
with
representatives
of
fraternities
and
sororities
in
the
area.
A
proactive
outreach
education
sessions
will
be
coordinated,
with
other
divisions
that
trust
such
as
Toronto
Fire
Services
on
issues
of
Health
and
Safety
noise,
property
maintenance.
This
is
staffs
plan
going
forward.
Staff
did
not
find
that
it
was
necessary
to
turn
these
these
organizations
these
homes
for
students
into
into
rooming
houses
right
now,
I
find
that
this
is
in
my
particular.
In
my
view,
this
is
a
solution
and
regulation
in
search
of
a
problem.
B
The
problem
is
is
has
been
has
been
outlined
and
I
think
has
been
overstated
by
some
local
residents
who
live
in
the
annex
and
who
happened
to
not
be
very
pleased
with
the
occasional
nighttime
party
that
goes
on
and
and
if
these
are
to
be
listed
as
as
a
as
a
rooming
house
under
regulations
and
licensing
the
issues
with
respect
to
garbage
and
litter
they're
not
going
to
go
away,
there
may
be
garbage,
there
may
be
litter.
We
have
existing
bylaws
in
place.
B
Staff
has
no
interest
in
going
in
and
regulating
these
as
rooming
houses
and,
in
fact,
says
during
the
review
staff
did
not
find
signal.
A
significant
number
of
complaints
against
cooperative
student
housing
and
no
issues
of
this
type
of
housing
were
raised
during
public
consultations.
The
issue
identified
by
staff
during
the
review
is
the
definition
of
cooperative
student
housing
in
Chapter
285.
The
current
definition
is
too
broad
and
can
capture
types
of
housing
arrangements
other
than
what
is
intended
as
such
staff
recommended
updating
the
definition,
but
not
removing
the
exemption.
B
Further
staff
regulate
the
city,
regulates
property
maintenance
issues
through
a
series
of
bylaws,
including
property
standards,
residential
waste,
Glatt
grass
and
weeds
fences
and
noise.
These
bylaws
are
applied
to
fraternity
and
sorority
houses
in
the
same
way,
they
are
to
all
other
residential
and
commercial
properties.
So,
to
me
this
is
this:
is
it's
unnecessary?
It's
picking
on
a
number
of
student
residences.
Yes,
students
are
our
lower-income,
as
as
councilor
perks
pointed
out
these
students,
these
students
pay
a
fee
to
a
note
to
an
international
or
national
organization
and
I.
B
B
Right
well,
thank
you,
speaker
and
listen.
I
would
just
begin
by
saying
what
it
what
are
we
dealing
with,
and
what
are
we
not
dealing
with
just
want
to
dispel
some
of
the
myths
as
this
gets
discussed,
so
what
it
is
and
what
it
is
not
what
this
is
not
is
about
shutting
down
fraternities
and
sororities.
It's
not
what
this
is.
What
it
is
is
fixing
a
regulatory
void,
because
there
is
a
regulatory
void.
B
Currently
fraternities
and
sororities
have
an
exemption,
an
exemption
dating
back
decades
that
nobody
at
city
staff
has
been
able
to
tell
me
where
the
exemption
came
from
or
why
it's
in
place
and
it's
an
exemption.
That
means
that
fraternities
and
sororities
do
not
have
to
follow
the
same
rules
as
it
relates
to
inspections
related
to
property
standards
and
fire
and
building
codes
as
every
other
multi-tenant
house.
So
this
is
simply
about
ensuring
that
we
have
a
level
playing
field
and
we
fix
a
regulatory
void.
That's
all
this
is
it's
not
a
debate
about
student
housing?
B
It's
not
a
debate
about
anything
else.
It's
about
a
regulatory
void,
ensuring
greater
safety
safety
for
residents
of
fraternities
visitors
to
fraternities
and
residents
around
fraternities.
Now
to
put
this
in
context,
so
people
are
aware
there
are
19
certified,
sororities
and
fraternities
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
They
are
all
located
in
Ward.
B
21A
them
is
in
my
ward
and
as
the
staff
report
is
it
articulated
in
the
last
four
years
there
have
166
complaints
consistently
every
year
as
well
as
79
specific
police
incidents
does
fixing
a
regulatory
void
mean
we
address
all
of
that,
of
course
it
doesn't,
but
the
exemption
which
state
facts
decades
means
that
fraternities
and
sororities
are
not
one
licensed
by
the
city,
nor
are
they
recognized
or
accountable
to
the
University,
so
they
exist
in
a
gray
area.
That's
all
this
is
the
committee.
B
The
licensing
and
Standards
Committee
decided
to
remove
the
exemption
staff
had
proposed
a
two-step
process
to
do
that
through
the
rooming
house
review.
The
rooming
house
review,
which
was
intended
to
being
completed
in
2017,
is
now
not
coming
back
to
us
until
the
next
term
of
council.
So
the
committee,
in
its
wisdom,
decided
to
expedite
that
second
step.
What
it
means
is
that
a
fraternity
will
have
to
one
register
and
provide
an
emergency
contact
and
to
ensure
that
there's
an
annual
inspection
for
fire
and
property
standards,
as
well
as
a
fire
safety
plan.
B
That's
all
this
is
right.
Every
other
multi-tenant
housing
facility
has
to
meet
those.
Why
shouldn't
these
they
should,
and
so
as
I
look
at
this
I
just
would
say
in
closing.
I
don't
need
more
time
than
this.
This
proposal
is
supported
by
the
University
of
Toronto.
This
proposal
is
supported
by
Toronto
Fire.
It
is
supported
by
the
graduate
and
undergraduate
student
associations,
it's
supported
by
local
residents,
it's
supported
by
me
as
the
local
councillor
for
every
one
of
these
facilities
and
we're
simply
trying
to
improve
a
situation.
B
What
this
is
not
is
about
shutting
these
debt.
What
it
is
is
about
ensuring
that
we
fix
a
regulatory
void
and
have
a
level
playing
field.
That's
all
it
is
I
can't
for
the
life
of
me
understand
why
we
wouldn't
have
the
same
rules
for
a
multi-tenant
house
that
services
people
who
are
members
of
a
fraternity
or
sorority
and
have
different
rules
for
them,
and
everybody
else.
That's
all
this
is
and
I
would
ask
you
to
support
it
and
not
support
councillor
Campbell's
deletion
of
the
committee
recommendations.
Thank
you
very
much.
P
P
The
historically
there's
always
been
enough
tension
between
gown
and
town
generally,
the
gown
trying
to
protect
its
independence
and
assert
its
its
freedom
from
the
impositions
of
the
town.
And
what
we
have
here
is
the
town
seeing
a
void.
Imagine
a
void
that
stopped
being
a
part
of
our
lifestyle
in
the
city.
That's
not
being
regulated
that
from
from
my
perspective
speaker,
it's
not
a
an
argument
that
should
induce
us
to
support
the
recommendations
of
the
the
committee
fraternities
and
sororities.
P
I
think
councillor
Don
Campbell
brought
that
out
in
his
questions
of
staff,
so
Speaker
I,
I
read
very
carefully
the
the
emails
that
were
sent
to
me
from
the
various
fraternities
I
think
that
their
arguments
he's
their
basic
arguments
are
sound
and
supportable
and
I
I,
don't
know
I,
just
I
I,
just
can't
I,
don't
feel
comfortable
with
sensing
a
void,
something
that's
not
regulated
and
rushing
in
to
fill.
You
know
to
fill
that
void
to
regulate
the
behavior
of
those
people
who,
we
think
are
basically
unregulated.
Well,
you
know
they're,
not
they
have
to.
P
They
have
so
many
anyone
that
lives
in
a
city
today
has
so
many
regulations
that
they
have
to
live
by
its
it.
It's
it's
crazy.
I
often
say
to
the
newest
immigrants,
who
insist
they're
coming
to
a
free
society
that
in
fact,
they're
they've
come
to
a
highly
regulated
society
and
they're.
It
appeared
to
be
no
end
to
the
regulations
that
we
can
create
and
situations
in
which
we
can
impose
them.
So
speaker,
maybe
from
a
historical
perspective
of
a
philosophical
one
or
an
ideological
one.
D
You
very
much
speaker
I'm,
first,
going
to
address
the
remarks
councillor
Kelley
made
and
then
I
want
to
answer.
Perhaps
a
question
that
councillor
Campbell
didn't
feel
like
I've
got
a
good
enough
answer
to
from
staff.
Let's
first
address
the
assertion
that
this
is
somehow
about.
Some
of
us
want
to
regulate
everybody
and
that's
the
wrong
way
to
proceed.
D
It
is
in
fact
illegal
to
have
this
kind
of
dwelling,
the
same
kind
of
dwelling
we're
talking
about
here
in
about
two-thirds
of
the
city
and
yet
somehow
the
proposal
that
we
treat
frats
and
rooming
houses.
The
same
way
represents
regulatory
overreach.
The
regulatory
overreach
is
people
like
councilor
Kelly,
saying
no.
D
No,
you
can
have
that
kind
of
dwelling
in
a
completely
unregulated
environment,
no
license
required
no
annual
inspection
required
as
long
as
you're
posh
as
long
as
you're
belong
to
a
frat
or
a
sorority,
but
if
you're
not
posh,
if
you're
poor,
you
have
to
have
a
license
and
you
can't
go
in
Scarborough,
you
can't
go
in
most
of
North
York.
You
can't
go
in
most
of
Etobicoke,
so
this
is
not
about
regulatory
overreach
or
us
trying
to
regulate
everybody.
D
It's
the
fact
that
we
regulate
the
posh
and
the
poor
differently
right
now
we
restrict
the
poor
right
out
of
the
neighborhood
and
if
we
allow
them
in
certain
parts
of
the
city,
we
require
a
whole
lot
of
regulatory
oversight
on
them,
and
that
brings
me
to
the
issues
that
councillor
Campbell
raised.
What
do
you
get
by
doing
this?
Well,
because
I
have
80
licensed
rooming
houses.
I
spent
an
awful
lot
of
time
working
to
try
to
solve
some
of
the
problems
which
are
almost
identical
to
the
ones
and
frats.
D
By
the
way
you
get
noise,
you
get
garbage,
you
get,
the
neighbors
aren't
happy.
So,
yes,
you
get
the
annual
inspection
with
multiple
municipal
licensing
and
standards
and
fire
and
there's
a
process
where,
if
there
are
complaints
either
from
tenants,
the
neighbors
or
the
local
councillor,
you
go
to
a
hearing
and
at
the
hearing
you
can
get
a
condition
put
on
that
license.
D
So,
for
example,
if
the
problem
has
been
that
your
rowdy
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
police
activity,
one
of
the
conditions
we
typically
put
on
a
rooming
house
license
where
there
are
real
behavioral
problems
is
that
they
must
have
a
notice
of
trespass
on
the
front
door
and
give
the
local
police
department
a
key.
That's
when
it
gets
really
out
of
hand.
D
So,
yes,
councillor
Campbell
having
a
rooming
house
license
process
can
allow
you
to
get
to
conditions
that
solve
the
problems
which
we
are
unable
to
solve
in
terms
of
behavior
at
frats
and
sororities.
If
we
put
them
into
the
licensing
system,
it
also
means
that
if
a
licensing
inspection
staff
are
in
there
and
they
notice
a
public
health
problem
bedbugs
something
like
that,
they
can
culture
on
a
public
health
in
to
work
with
the
operator
to
try
to
get
a
resolution
of
that
problem.
D
So
it's
about
having
that
incremental
discipline
available
to
you
now
most
of
the
80
rooming
houses
that
I
I
have,
in
my
ward,
have
never
had
a
year
and
they're
good
neighbors
everybody's
happy.
There
are
no
problems.
The
tenants
are
the
safe
environment.
The
fire
inspection
takes
place,
the
licensing
and
standard.
This
inspection
place
takes
place,
but
once
in
a
while
somebody
gets
out
of
hand
and
because
we
have
a
licensing
process,
we
have
a
way
of
dealing
with
it
and
I.
D
A
R
P
You
I
would
move
the
recommendations
and
I
held
it
only
to
give
me
the
opportunity
publicly
to
thank
staff
and
members
of
the
committee
for
making
that
recommendation.
Street
artists
have
been
frustrated
over
the
past
few
years
because
they
haven't
had
the
ability
to
freely
engage
with
with
the
people
of
Toronto
and
the
many
visitors.
The
tourists
that
come
here
each
summer,
but
now
they
will
have
that
opportunity
and
that
missing
part
of
fun
in
the
summer
in
the
city
has
been,
has
been
put
back
in
place
and
hopefully
it'll
be
enjoyed
by
everyone.
A
Do
we
have
30
members,
we
can
introduce
okay,
we
have
some
motions
we
want
to
introduce,
so
they're
big
could
be
copied
over
the
dinner
break
and
some
of
them
met
some
of
the
members
motions
that
we
passed
earlier.
If
the
members
want
to
move
it
at
this
time
before
we
break
for
dinner,
could
I
have
the
names.
I
R
B
F
B
E
B
A
That
hasn't
been
ok,
so
yeah
we'll
do
that
minute.
So
the
members
motion
that
we
that
we
voted
on
previously
they
were
circulated
to
your
desk.
So
members
that
move
these
motions
if
they
want
to
just
move
them
and
the
first
one
is
mm
41:38
councillor
deber
maker
you've
moved
for
seminal
fight,
progress.
G
A
H
They
have
it,
I'd,
be
prepared
to
move
it
now.
E
A
A
I
A
D
You
speaker,
the
first
one
I
have
counselor
Matt
Lowe
had
asked
me
to
look
after
on
page
8,
CC
41.8,
he's
happy
with
it.
I
understand
that
the
chair
of
the
TDSB
has
written
letter
that
was
circulated
to
all
of
us
and
asked
for
a
small
amendment.
I
checked
with
councilor
Matt
low
staff.
He's
fine
with
that
and
I
believe
councillor
Robinson
wants
to
move
it
hey.
A
E
Councillor
Robinson
Thank
You,
councillor
perks
and
madam
Speaker,
if
the
clerk's
department
could
put
it
on
the
screen.
This
is
board
forward
from
the
chair
of
the
TDSB
Robin
Pelkey.
The
correspondence
was
circulated
to
City
Council
around
3:45
p.m.
today,
and
it
talks
about
that
in
the
event
of
local
Appeal
Tribunal,
allowing
the
appeal
in
whole
or
in
part,
direct.
The
city
solicitor,
to
request
the
TL
Pat
to
withhold
the
issuance
of
any
orders
on
the
zoning
bylaw.
A
A
D
Yes,
speaker
on
page
six
item,
PW
twenty
nine
point
one:
this
is
the
Metro
links
projects.
It's
the
temporary
delegation
for
long
term,
road
closures.
If
you
recall
there
was
some
difficulty,
oh
I'll
continue
to
hold
it.
I
thought:
I'd
worked
it
out
with
everyone,
but
I'll
come
talk
to
you
yeah.
Sorry.
Now.
G
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
can
release
on
page
seven
of
the
blue
sheets
under
Scarborough
Community
Council,
SC,
30.4,
1250,
Markham,
Road,
zoning
amendment
and
site
plan
applications
request
for
direction
report
I'm,
just
removing
the
report
with
an
amendment.
Well
amendments
plural,
that
staff
asked
me
to
make
which
are
technical
amendments
to
make
sure
that
the
section
37
money
goes
for
capital
upgrades
I
just
made
the
assumption.
They
were
all
capital
upgrades,
but
the
staff
asked
me
to
clarify
and
put
those
added
words
in
the
motion.
Okay,.
A
E
Robinson,
thank
you.
Madam
Speaker
I
was
going
to
try
to
release
PW
29.3,
improving
accountability
and
utility
cut
process.
I
didn't
know
if
anybody
had
any
issue
with
that,
but
I
would
release
that
at
this
time.
Oh
there's
a
motion.
Okay,
if
it's
related
to
cabinet
size,
we
don't
have
any
authority
over
a
cabinet
size.
Okay,.
A
A
E
Mm
41:36
keeping
Toronto's
transit
and
Toronto's
hands
I
have
to
say
that
I'm
not
very
happy
since
holding
this
I've
been
accosted
in
the
hallway,
as
well
as
a
number
of
calls
into
my
office
and
I.
Don't
think
that's
how
we
conduct
ourselves
at
City
Hall,
so
I
am
releasing
it.
But
it's
I
do
question:
who
is
in
charge
now
Stu.