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From YouTube: Economic Development Committee - May 8, 2017
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Economic Development Committee, meeting 21, May 8, 2017
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Let
me
just
tell
the
public
what's
actually
happening
right
now.
The
mayor
has
been
very
helpful
to
allow
us
to
just
to
start
the
meeting
and
to
basically
have
a
quick
recess.
Councillor.
Kelly
is
seven
minutes
away.
He's
a
member
of
the
committee
so
he'll
be
here.
The
mayor
unfortunately
has
a
number
meeting
and
I'm
very
happy.
He
was
able
just
to
step
in
for
a
minute
a
few
minutes,
but
he's
not
able
to
stay
for
the
Whole
meeting.
So
we're
able
to
start
the
meeting
and
recessed
until
10.
Then
we
will
resume
the
meeting.
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B
So
if
you
are
interested
in
terms
of
following
along
you're
able
to
view
the
the
list
of
items
on
the
agenda
there,
and
so
for
those
who
are
following
the
agenda
and
the
debate
of
their
computers
or
tablets
or
smart
phone,
you
could
go
to
WWE,
backslash,
Council,
I,
so
I
hope
that's
pretty
clear
as
well
as
for
those
of
you
who
are
here,
there
is
actually
a
sheet
here
listing
the
speakers.
If
you
wish
to
follow
up,
it's
also
another
sheet
which
is
a
yellow
sheet.
B
That
has
four
members
here
that
we
follow
through
on
this.
This
is
just
a
little
bit
education
for
those
who
are
here
for
the
very
first
time,
and
so
the
Economic
Development
Committee
gratefully
acknowledges
it's
meeting
on
the
traditional
territory
of
the
Mississauga's
of
the
new
credit
first
nation
and
the
who
don't
know
Shawnee
and
the
here
on
one
dot
and
also
home
of
many
diverse
indigenous
people.
So
we
are
meeting
on
the
grounds
here
and
we
acknowledge
this
at
our
meeting
here
at
economic
development.
So
thank
you.
B
I
would
also
like
at
this
time
to
acknowledge.
There
are
number
students
here
in
our
audience,
particularly
the
students
that
are
from
Abigail
College.
The
girls
are
at
the
back.
They
are
here
as
part
of
a
civic
engagement
like
to
have
them
stand,
and
if
you
would
give
them
a
big
round
of
applause,
I'll
be
wonderful,
because.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
These
are
our
future
leaders
and
chins
and
bankers
and
mums
and
dads
and
family
members
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
I
know
they're
no
boys
that
have
real
is
that
correct,
just
girls,
okay,
great
school,
just
girls,
excellent!
All
right!
Thank
you!
So
members
we
are
going
to
proceed
then,
with
the
agenda
and
the
first
Oh
good
morning,
counselor
is
Speaker.
Nancy
atta
welcome!
B
Are
there
any
declaration
of
interest
on
to
the
municipal
conflict
of
interest
Act
looking
around
seeing
none?
Okay,
thank
you,
I'd
like
to
ask
for
a
confirmation
of
the
minutes
of
the
April
7th
meeting
councillor
Kelly.
All
those
in
favor
opposed,
that's
carries!
Thank
you
all
right.
We
have
a
number
of
speakers
and
I'm
sure
we
have
communications
in
report.
What
this
particular
item
here
it's
been
presented.
Is
it
going
to
be
there's
a
speaker
on
this
item?
B
Okay,
so
we'll
just
wait,
maybe
until
the
speaker
can
explain
as
to
what
this
particular
and
there
are
other
communications.
Okay,
members,
you
have
a
number
of
communications
that
are
on
your
desk
regarding
items
on
the
agenda,
all
right.
Moving
right
along
on
the
agenda,
we
have
Edie
21.1,
improving
services
for
youth.
With
experience
in
the
criminal
justice
system,
we
have
a
presentation
by
staff,
plus
we
have
some
speakers
so
I'm
going
to
hold
that
particular
item.
B
8020
1.2,
appointments
of
business
improvement
area
board
of
manage
and
counsel
Grimes
is
moving
that
report.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
that's
carried.
Thank
you.
Edie
21.3,
a
bid
to
designate
Toronto
as
a
United,
Nations,
Educational,
Scientific
and
Cultural
Organization,
otherwise
known
as
UNESCO
as
creative
city
of
media
arts.
That's
the
application.
I
know
that
there
are
our
speakers
on
that
item.
B
So
I'm
going
to
hold
that
Edie
21.4
prospect
for
bidding
on
the
2022
Commonwealth
Games
using
existing
Pan
Am
Games
facilities,
all
right
councillor,
Kelly
is
going
to
hold
and
Kosar
Grimes
has
an
interest,
so
I
will
hold
that
counter.
Kelly
in
your
name
then
understand:
okay,
thank
you
all
right,
Thank
You,
Edie,
21.5,
2017
major
cultural
organizations
allocation.
We
have
some
speakers
on
that
particular
item.
I
will
be
holding
that
then.
Thank
you.
Eighty
twenty
one
point
six
Toronto
economic
bulletin.
B
C
B
So
the
the
items
says
that
City
Council
received
the
report
so
because
we're
at
economic
development,
we
actually
have
to
take
an
action
on
it
and
forward
it
on
to
City
Council.
That's
a
difference.
Okay!
Thank
you.
Okay,
all
those
in
favor,
Dopp
ting.
The
item
opposed.
Thank
you.
Okay,
moving
right
along,
we
are
now
back
to
the
beginning
of
the
agenda.
B
Edie
21.1
I'd
like
to
ask
mr.
Stanley
Irwin,
Stan
Lee,
director
of
Toronto
employment,
social
services,
otherwise
known
as
tests,
as
well
as
the
general
manager,
Pat
Walcott,
to
come
forward,
and
also
mr.
Jabari
Lindsay
manager
at
SD
F
a
so
good
morning.
Everybody
and
your
clock
says
6:40,
but
I,
don't
think
you've
taken
that
much
time
already.
B
I
will
now
just
before
you
speak,
I
want
to
advise
the
public
or
here
to
speak
to
us
here
this
morning,
when
your
name
is
called
and
it's
your
turn
to
speak,
you
may
come
to
the
desk,
come
to
the
podium
there
and
basically
position
yourself
in
front
of
a
microphone
members
of
the
public.
You
have
five
minutes
to
make
your
deputation
and
to
speak.
There
are
no
extensions.
There
are
no
I'm
going
to
speak
on
behalf
of
a
group
of
people,
so
I
need
more
time
in
the
process
of
being
questioned.
B
You
are
by
members
and
non-members
of
the
committee.
You
can
respond
and
provide
additional
information.
And/Or.
You
will
be
able
to
garner
more
time
through
that
process.
I
just
want
you
to
prepare
yourself
so
that
when
you
come
to
the
podium
to
speak,
you
know
that
you
have
five
minutes
you.
We
will
be
cut
off
at
the
5-minute
mark.
Okay,
so
when
everyone
to
govern
themselves
accordingly,
miss
Walcott.
You
have
the
floor.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
being
here
in
your
presentation.
You
may
go
ahead.
Thank
you.
Good.
D
Morning
to
the
chair
and
to
the
committee
members
so
I'm
very
happy
to
present
this
report,
which
is
really
that
intersect
between
the
social
and
labor
market.
What
we're
trying
to
highlight
here
is
that
individuals
with
experience
in
the
criminal
justice
system
face
specific
and
significant
challenges
in
the
labor
market.
A
criminal
record
and
even
in
an
encounter
with
the
criminal
justice
system,
can
make
it
increasingly
difficult
to
secure
employment
in
an
already
tough
labor
market.
In
particular,
youth
are
over-represented
in
the
criminal
justice
system.
D
While
youth
represent
23
percent
of
Ontario's
population,
they
account
for
50
percent
of
all
individuals
charged
with
a
crime
as
Canada's
largest
and
most
diverse
city
is,
we
begin
to
more
deliberately
coordinate
our
services
and
supports
to
address
the
issues
facing
youth
with
experience
with
the
justice
system.
In
particular,
we
wish
to
work
with
people
who
want
to
reenter
the
labor
market,
upgrade
their
skills
or
participate
in
activities
that
will
improve
their
employment
prospects.
D
We
identifying
the
rapport
steps
that
the
city
is
taking
to
address
the
issues
being
faced
by
the
unemployed
and
the
underemployed
residents,
who
have
experience
with
the
criminal
justice
system.
I'm
going
to
pass
the
presentation
over
to
urban
Stanley
a
director
with
TAS
and
to
Barry
Lindsay,
a
manager
with
SD
FA
who
are
going
to
lead
us
through
the
presentation.
I
want
to
very
carefully
point
out
that
this
is
a
joint
effort
between
tests
and
SD
FA
partners
who
continually
work
to
support
Toronto's,
most
vulnerable
youth.
E
So,
as
you
see
here,
the
the
next
slide
walks
you
through
the
whole
presentation.
One
of
the
most
important
boxes
in
pad
has
already
spent
some
time
to
look
illuminating,
that
is,
the
far-left
individuals.
With
experience
in
the
criminal
justice
system,
face
specific
and
significant
challenges
in
the
labor
market.
Over
the
past,
I'd,
say
10
years
working
with
young
people
in
the
city.
E
That
particular
statement
well
understood
by
most
really
is
felt
by
folks
on
the
frontline
or
trying
to
serve
youth,
who
basically
marginalize
themselves
because
they
feel
like
the
barrier
that
they
have
in
terms
of
having
experience
with
the
criminal
justice
system,
is
just
too
great
to
overcome.
So
this
joint
effort
and
this
presentation,
but
also
in
the
work
that
we've
been
doing
for
the
past
few
years,
is
a
way
to
kind
of
speak
towards
each
of
these
youth
face,
but
also
making
sure
their
voices
are
heard
clearly
and
through
the
bureau.
E
The
the
system
here
and
the
berlin
will
speak
more
to
the
legislation
and
the
process
around
criminal
record
checks.
But
the
one
other
pieces
say
is
that,
while
youth
represent
23%
of
the
Ontario's
population,
they
account
for
over
56%
of
individuals
charged
with
a
crime.
So
it
means
that
there's
not
just
issues
within
getting
an
employment
or
getting
our
opportunity
from
pun
within
the
city,
but
also
just
navigating
the
system
of
trying
to
remember
remunerate
themselves.
C
How
did
it
get
to
this
point?
In
2012,
the
federal
government
introduced
a
new
legislation.
The
new
legislation
had
was:
was
world
record
suspensions?
The
record
suspensions
changed.
It
used
to
be
that
before,
when
you
had
an
an
issue
you
were
offer,
you
can
get
it.
You
can
get
a
suspension
after
three
years
now,
with
the
new
legislation,
it
moved
up
to
five
years
for
an
indictable
offense.
It
went
from
five
years
to
10
years
as
well.
The
cost
went
from
$150
to
six
hundred
thirty
one
dollars
putting
six
hundred
twenty
one
dollars
into
perspective.
C
A
single
person
on
social
assistance
receives
approximately
seven
hundred
dollars
a
month.
The
result
of
this
is
that
less
people
have
applied
for
record
suspensions.
It
really
went
down
by
fifty
eight
point,
five
percent
between
2012
and
2016.
The
reason
it's
cost,
as
well
as
the
how
difficult
is
actually
to
receive
a
suspension
in
into
it.
In
2010,
the
Ontario
Health
and
Safety
Act
came
up
with
little
legislation.
Legislation
bill
168.
C
The
impact
of
that
legislation
was
that
it
put
more
burden
on
employers
to
ensure
there
were
no
risks
in
the
workplace
to
resolve
that
risk.
The
employees,
when
two
more
record
checks,
everybody
that
they
have
to
apply
for
sisters,
had
to
go
through
a
criminal
record
check,
whereas
in
fact
the
Ontario
Health
and
Safety
Act,
you
know,
but
that
was
not
the
intent
of
it.
That's
what
employers
believed
they
needed
to
do
and
to
ensure
that
the
people
that
work
for
them
were
ones
that
they
felt
were
safe.
C
While
we
know
that's
not,
while
we
know
as
a
result
of
a
result
of
offence
does
not
mean
you'll
commit
one
in
a
workplace,
this
was
something
that
they
felt
was
necessary
to
do
another.
Another
issue
with
this
is
is
as
a
result
of
dis
legislation.
As
a
result
of
this
criminal
check,
it
allowed
people
who
chose
to
discriminate,
it
gave
them
a
legend,
a
legitimate
reason
that
they
believed
that
they
could
discriminate
against
some
clients.
E
Three
percent
of
the
total
federal
prison
populations,
while
just
representing
two
point.
Nine
means
that
we
have
a
group
of
young
people,
specifically
the
youth
from
African
descendants
who
need
our
support
on
who
are
looking
for
our
support
and
it's
not
just
a
matter
of
having
a
particular
job,
fair
or
an
outreach
counselor.
It's
a
matter
of
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
provide
hope
back
to
those
young
people
tomorrow
and
I'll
speak
more
to
this
particular
job
for
later?
E
But
tomorrow
we
have
one
of
the
largest
open
calls
for
a
Employment
Program,
that's
run
by
Toronto
Community
Housing
and
typically
five
hundred
three
to
five
hundred
young
people
show
up
to
every
one
of
the
open
calls
because
they
feel
like
it's.
The
only
hope
they
have
an
employment
opportunity
moving
forward
and
the
majority
of
those
young
people
are
again
black
young
people
that
we're
trying
to
support.
C
From
an
Ontario
Works
perspective,
we
represent
about
30
percent
of
all
of
the
Ontarians
on
social
assistance,
and
we
have
six
thousand
people
that
have
self-declared
that
they
are
part
of
they've,
been
in
conflict
with
law.
We
know
that
number
is
a
significant
significantly
higher,
but
there's
no
question
that
we
we
don't
ask
that
question.
So
it's
only
people
that
are
so
choose
to
declare
one.
C
We
have
over
six
thousand
the
significant
we'll
see
the
significant
number
you
have
up
there
is
almost
50%
have
been
no
W
for
more
than
three
years
and
I've
declared
that
they
are
unprepared
for
employment.
That
tells
us
that
fifty
percent
are
ready
for
employment
and
that's
the
issue
that
we
have.
People
are
being
held
back
because
of
in
fact,
because
they
have
a
criminal
record.
We
right
now
just
talked
in
generalities
and
we
and
we've
brought
different
points
in
place.
C
I'd
like
to
tell
you
a
story
and
an
additional
surely
really
show
you
how
this
hook
hold
this.
All
this
work
comes
into
play.
It's
a
story
about
a
a
woman
who
was
orphaned
as
an
early
child.
She
was
raised
by
her
aunt
and
went
through
and
kept
her
nose.
Clean,
went
to
school
and
graduated
as
a
personal,
personal,
Service
Worker.
She
was
doing
that
work
for
a
period
of
time
and
then
she
went,
he
went
into
nursing.
C
C
She
served
her
time
and
when
she
was
released
she
went
looking
for
work.
Obviously
she
could
not
interested
feel
that
she
was
in.
She
had
a
very
difficult
time.
She
talks
about
being
refused
opportunities
to
even
work
in
factories
on
retail
work.
The
fact
that
she
had
a
criminal
record.
She
wasn't
even
allowed
to
apply
and
they
went
through
a
line
and
said
anybody
that
had
a
criminal
record
will
now
be
seeking
employment.
She
heard
about
opportunities
working
with
temporary
agencies,
so
she
went
through
that
whole
process.
C
So
that's
when
council
Thompson
called
it
the
dignity
card,
because
it
wouldn't
people
don't
have
to
spend
their
money
inappropriately
these
people
weren't.
These
people
are
taking
advantage
dove.
You
thought
she
came
and
she
applied
for
Oh
W.
She
was
in
social
assistance
and
who
tried
to
get
her
employment
through
various
outreach,
various
places
again,
she
was
not
successful.
She
applied
for
a
job
incentive
program,
that's
a
program
that
we
have
with
the
city
of
Toronto
for
volunteer
work.
She
she
got
into
that
program,
work
in
our
division
and
then
she
found
a
job.
C
She
found
a
job
and
he
would
think
the
story
was
over,
but
you
know
that's
that's
just
the
beginning.
The
story
was
not
over.
I
asked
her
to
come
today
to
speak
here
today,
so
she
could
talk
to
you
about
her
story.
She
refused.
She
refused,
because
her
current
employer
does
not
know
that
she
has
a
criminal
record.
She
refused
because
it's
a
job
that
ends
in
June
and
she'd
be
looking
for
work
and
she
didn't
want
her
name
out
there
as
somebody
that
had
a
criminal
record.
C
So
what
we
have
is
a
city
is
a
situation
where
somebody
was
crit
was
dinner
time.
She
served
her
time
in
jail
as
she
was
out
in
2014
with
the
previous
law.
She'd
be
elavil,
algebra
pardon
in
2019,
now
she's
not
eligible
till
2024.
This
is
what
I'm
talking
about
she's
got.
She
has
to
live
in
the
shadows
with
her
work.
She
has
to
live
in
the
shadows
with
life
until
2024.
This
is
what
today's
about.
C
Well:
okay,
our
current
work.
So
what
are
we
doing
at
the
City
of
Toronto?
There's
a
lot
of
work
being
done
in
that
area,
the
first
one
we
talked
about
simplifying
the
process
to
obtain
record
suspensions.
One
of
the
things
that's
most
important
is
education.
What
we
are
doing
at
tests
is
ensuring
that
our
staff
and
our
clients
understand,
what's
involved
in
the
process
of
getting
a
record,
zip
suspension,
it's
very,
very
difficult,
and
we
often
have
to
do
presentations
to
staff,
and
it
involves
having
to
have
a
lawyer.
C
We
actually
were
doing
some
presentations
last
summer,
where
we're,
in
fact
we
need
a
lawyer.
We
can
get
a
lawyer,
and
so
the
University
of
Toronto
offered
up
their
law
school
offered
up
lawyers
to
come
to
our
offices
to
work
in
our
offices
to
help
support
people
provide
to
get
give
Laurey
to
give
information
to
our
clients
in
conflict
with
law,
we'll
be
taking
them
up
on
that
within
the
report,
it
talks
about
there's
no
monies
right
now.
Students
are
on
Terry
works
to
pay
for
record
suspensions.
C
We
add
tests
have
decided
that
we
will
pay
for
them,
choose
something
called
the
employment
related
employment
related
benefits.
So
with
that,
so
with
that
money,
the
six
hundred
thirty
one
dollars,
we
will
cover
that
cost.
Now
that
benefit
is
the
same
benefit.
We
apply
for
people
that
need
tools
for
work,
people
in
a
uniform
people
that
need
transportation.
It's
probably
the
only
benefit
that
I
can
think
of
where
we're.
Actually,
someone
is
not
getting
anything
we're
actually
taking
something
away
so
that
they
become
more
employable.
It's
that
important.
C
So
we
so
at
the
city
we'll
be
doing
that
to
help
support
people
record
suspensions
number
two
very
inclusive,
hiring
practices
here
at
the
City
of
Toronto.
We
don't
ask
people
about
the
criminal
records
unless
it's
absolutely
in
it,
unless
it's
necessary
for
the
job
you
apply,
for
they
go
through
the
process
and
if,
in
fact,
they're
eligible
for
work
together
to
get
the
work,
if,
in
fact,
it's
through
some
of
the
divisions
like
Children's,
Services
or
long
term
care.
E
So
far
we
framed
the
issue
as
young
people
are
people
who
have
committed
an
offense
and
then
have
had
an
experience
as
a
result
and
a
lot
of
times
the
the
young
person
maybe
were
walking
home
from
school
or
maybe
at
school
and
be
interacting
with
TPS
chronically
services.
So
it's
not
something
to
do
that,
what
they
did,
but
maybe
under
an
investigation
as
such.
E
E
It's
been
multiple
years
now,
working
with
our
networks
of
youth,
employment
agencies
and
the
ye
P
and
nonprofit
organizations
to
explain
to
them
how
to
handle
and
work
with
someone
when
they
say
I
have
a
record
or
I
think
I
might
have
a
record
and
what
the
next
steps
around
that
would
be.
Number
three
is
educating
employers.
E
You
have
to
have
be
on
probation
and
parole
so
that
the
job
fair
is
the
first
of
many
for
the
season.
But
it
gives
you
a
leg
up
to
know
that.
Okay,
this
fair
I'm
competing
against
my
peers
per
se,
but
if
I
decide
to
go
to
one
of
the
multiple
ones,
we
have
I've
kind
of
gotten.
My
feet,
wet
and
I
know
where
to
go
next
to
the
next
part.
E
Number
four
is
collecting
and
analyzing
relevant
data,
so
we
actually
have,
as
urban
spoke
to
before,
self-reported
data,
but
working
with
provincial
ministries
are
working
with
ourselves.
Here
we
need
to
spend
more
time
understanding.
How
great
is
the
issue?
What
types
of
services
do
we
need
to
provide,
and
is
it
a
navigation
piece?
Is
it
an
access
piece
or
as
urban
has
said?
C
Advancing
innovative
services
we
introduce
the
poverty
reduction
strategy
was
passed
through
Council
last
year,
and
one
of
the
things
on
on
the
report
was
us
being
able
to
access.
It
help
support
people
that
are
most
in
need
now.
People
in
conflict
with
the
law
I
like
are
part
of
a
group
of
individuals
that
are
more,
that
becomes
a
larger
percentage
of
our
caseload
next
next
month.
C
One
thing
one
of
the
one
of
the
programs
we
have
introduced
was
an
intensive
case
management
program
dealing
with
people
in
conflict,
the
law
that
will
you'll
hear
shortly
after
us.
It's
about
us
having
the
opportunity
to
work
with
with
seven
we
put
forward
a
present
and
a
program
last
year
for
seven
people
in
conflict
with
the
law
and
seven
that
weren't
in
the
construction
business.
Through
that
whole
process
we
actually
found
out
eleven
were
in
conflict
with
law.
C
This
goes
back
to
people
not
declaring
not
self
declaring,
through
that
truth
at
work,
all
fourteen
graduating
and
ten
of
found
employment.
This
is
part
of
the
work
that
we,
in
fact
we're
trying
to
do,
trying
to
open
up
opportunities
for
people
that
are
in
conflict
with
the
law.
One
of
the
things
that
we
are
also
looking
at
is
the
programs
that
we
have
are
a
GIP
program,
that
is,
our
volunteer
program,
are
investing
in
neighborhoods
program.
C
That's
working
with
our
nonprofit
employers,
we're
looking
to
ensure
that
those
programs
do
not
marginalize
people
because
of
being
in
conflict
with
the
law
as
well.
Our
purchase
of
employment
services
were
ensuring
that
the
programs
that
we
that
we
buy
are
will
be
conducive
to
helping
those
people
income
that
those
people
in
conflict
with
the
law
so.
E
Finally,
the
last
two
and
advancing
innovations
service
delivery
approaches.
About
a
year
ago,
council
Fraga
DAC
has
moved
a
motion
to
accept
our
type
team,
as
we
call
it
Toronto
youth
partnerships
and
Employment
Program.
So
we
had
five
case
managers
who
are
thinking
about
indigenous
young
people,
young
women,
thinking
about
newcomers
and
the
fastest
caseload.
E
So
now
that
young,
that
caseworkers
working
with
thirty
young
people
was
when
we
said
we'd
be
working
specifically
people
with
experience
in
the
criminal
justice
system,
we
referred
we're
getting
referrals
from
all
sources
for
that
particular
client
base,
because
folks
I'm
just
not
sure
what
to
do.
I
spoke
about
youth
works.
The
program
that
does
beautification
across
the
city
for
Toronto
Community
Housing,
the
innovation
in
that
particular
program,
is
their
job
fairs
that
they
do
is
called
an
open
call.
E
So
if
a
young
person
is
not
a
good
fit
or
they
show
up-
and
they
think
one
of
the
quick
stories
as
a
young
person
came
and
said,
I,
don't
think
I
have
a
chance
at
this,
but
I
want
to
just
wanted
to
show
and
see
what
I
could
do
work
with
a
truant
employment,
social
services
staff
and
then
got
a
job
as
a
heavy-duty
cleaner
later
on
in
the
year.
So
there's
opportunities
where,
if
we
just
get
ourselves
in
front
of
young
people,
we
can
kind
of
dispel
those
pieces
and
then
finally,
we
spoke.
E
I
spoke
quickly
about
the
job
fair
in
October
during
work
for
Saddam
in
month
last
year
and
I
met
a
young
man
who
has
a
his
own
business
and
he
wasn't
sure
if
he
had
a
criminal
record
or
not.
So
no
one
had
explained
to
me
just
go
to
the
police
services.
You
could
request
your
own
form.
You
could
have
the
conversation
with
your
own
trusted
people
just
because
you
didn't
record
check
doesn't
mean
it
goes
automatically
to
an
employer
because
he
didn't
understand
that
and
I
say
young
person,
but
I
think
he's
29.
E
We
feel
really
proud
about
the
work
that
we've
been
doing
between
Toronto
employment
and
Social,
Services
and
SDF,
and
a
social
development,
finance
and
administration,
but
we
feel
like
there's
better
people
out
there
that
know
how
to
navigate
the
system
that
we
want
to
work
with
together.
So
the
motion
speaks
to
us
expanding
the
table
to
look
for
innovative
solutions,
data
collection
and
really
just
getting
ourselves
in
front
of
residents.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
You
very
much
for
your
presentation.
Are
there
questions?
If
you
don't
mind,
I'll
just
do
questions
really
quickly
and
then
we'll
go
to
speakers.
The
panel
here
are
there
questions
for
the
panel
okay,
seeing
none
from
members
I
have
a
few.
So
mr.
Stanley,
you
made
the
presentation
with
respect
to
the
young
person
who
has
been
affected
and
so
on.
B
So
the
average
person
listening
to
your
presentation
and
sort
of
listening
to
some
of
the
challenges
that
we're
having
with
crime
and
violence,
etcetera,
Excel
would
say
so
what
I
mean
they
get
themselves
and
problems
and
condition?
Are
you
asking
us
now
to
simply
absolve
them
of
any
responsibility
or
Burton
burden?
That's
not
what
you're
suggesting!
Is
it
absolutely.
C
Absolutely
not
right,
yes,
you
really
is.
When
someone
does
the
crew
does
the
crime
you
do
the
time
and
the
expectation
when
someone
is
on
probation
is
that
they
have
to
keep
you
have
to
keep
themselves
out
of
trouble.
It's
not
the
expectation
that
people
be
victimized
over
this
period
of
time
and
what
has
been
happening
with
with
people
on
probations.
They
have
been
victimized
by
how
people
interpret
the
fact
that
they
have
a
criminal
record
that
doesn't
allow
them
to
get
an
opportunity.
C
What
we
do
know
is
this
that
when
people
lose
hope
or
there's
no
work,
there's
a
big
potentially
recommit,
where
there's
opportunity
and
hope
they
do
not
and
I
think
that's
part
of
the
issue
is
that
is
about
giving
an
option
for
people
not
because
ever
record,
but
because
they
actually
trying
to
better
themselves
right.
Mrs.
D
Just
wanted
to
add
to
that
that
we
do
require
a
process,
that's
remedial
in
nature.
So
if
the
punitive
nature
of
the
incarceration
continues,
then
we
are
cycling
back
and
we'll
end
up
with
recidivism
with
people
going
back
into
areas
and
problems
that
they
were
in
before.
So
we
want
to
help
people
move
forward
with
their
lives.
E
Though,
in
agreement
the
the
final
piece,
though
counselor,
is
that
you
might
have
people
that
are
just
doing
nothing,
so
we've
kind
of
you
may
get
the
presumption
that
they'll
don't
react.
You'll
also
have
people
that
are
being
state
caught
in
a
state
of
almost
paralysis
where
they
don't
believe
that
they
could
do
anything.
So
it's
less
than
doing
something
negative
again,
they're
just
doing
nothing,
so
you
want
them
to
feel
like
they
have
opportunities
to
move
forward
to
as
well
right.
B
So
has
there
been
any
work
done
in
terms
of
looking
at
the
correlation
between
those
who
young
people
who
have
gotten
themselves
in
the
problems
with
the
criminal
justice
system
and
then
who
have
may
have
been
pardoned
prior
to
the
changes
in
2012
and
whether
or
not
they
have
repeated
they've
become
repeat
offenders?
Do
we
know
if
any
work
has
been
done
in
this
area?
The.
B
B
Is
that
what
you're
saying
and
that
ability
to
clear
themselves
of
the
record
prior
to
2012?
There
was
basically
a
fee
that
was
presumably
affordable,
150
or
dollars,
or
what
that
number
was.
That
has
changed
dramatically
as
well
as
a
time
frame
in
terms
of
that
would
allow
them
to
be
able
to
qualify
to
a
pardon,
has
changed
dramatically
as
well.
That
has
now
basically
changed
to
a
record
of
suspension.
Is
that
what
that
is,
and
that
now
creates
a
huge
burden
and
dilemma
for
these
young
people?
B
B
So
we
want
to
lock
them
up,
put
them
away,
bring
them
out
and
then
basically
lock
them
up
in
the
open
right,
because
now
we
have
people
who
can
take
advantage
of
them,
and
so
then
what
should,
or
what
can
a
young
person
do
without
any
help
from
either
the
city
again
province
and
the
Fed
in
terms
of
changing
some
of
the
rules?
What
are
the
possibilities
for
them?
Is
a
young
woman
that
you
spoke
about?
Mr.
Stanley
seems
she
would
be
in
a
complete
limbo.
Would
that
be
the
case
with
no
that's.
C
When
I
sat
down
and
talked
to
her,
she
wasn't
looking,
she
had.
She
was
not
able
to
look
to
the
future.
She
believed
her
future
was
very
bleak
because
she
knew
this
job
was
ending
she
in
June,
and
she
was
back
to
living
in
fear
about
what
was
always
that
for
because
the
only
thing
that
she
saw
was
social
assistance
and
and
what
she
went
through
before
or
trying
to
find
a
job
with
a
criminal
record,
and
that-
and
that
is
something
that
is
that's
quite
devastating-
to
talk
to
a
young
person
with
them.
C
B
C
B
You
want
them
to
just
follow
through
after
you,
okay,
that's
fine,
so
weird
that
okay,
Marisa
I'll,
just
give
me
a
moment.
We
have
two
additional
speakers,
so
we're
then
going
to
ask
mr.
Kofi
Hope
executive
director
for
the
center
for
a
young
black
professional,
and
then
we
also
have
Evan
bonus.
Who
is
the
project
director
Labor
Education
Center,
welcome
to
you
both.
Thank
you
very
much.
So
you'll
have
ten
minutes,
because
each
of
you
will
have
five
minutes.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Please
proceed.
Yes,.
F
So
good
morning
my
name
is
Kofi
hope.
As
mentioned
I'm
the
executive
director
for
the
C
Center
for
young
black
professionals.
My
colleague
is
Evan
bonus.
We
led
the
trades
connect
program
that
was
supported
by
Tess
as
part
of
their
intensive
case
management
pilot
project.
We
had
great
success
with
this
project
for
teen
youth
entered
who
are
Ontario
works
were
out
of
school
out
of
work
identified
as
black
and
18
to
29
years
old.
F
We
had
11
graduates
and
11
of
the
14
were
individuals
with
a
history
of
conflict
in
the
wall
and
with
the
law
and
all
were
at
risk
of
it.
Nine
were
enter
the
building,
trades
and
ten
were
able
to
enter
paid
work.
Unfortunately,
one
member
of
the
program
passed
away
during
its
door.
This
program
took
C's,
person-centered
approach
to
learning
and
provided
social
supports
and
married
this
with
the
existing
building
trades
program
that
lek
had
in
place.
F
I'll
say
that
partnership
was
the
key
factors
to
success
in
this
program
and,
let's
be
honest,
we
have
a
crisis
facing
youth
in
the
city,
particularly
black
youth.
We
know
that
black
youth
have
an
unemployment
rate
of
29
percent,
the
highest
of
any
population
in
the
city,
and
we
spoke
earlier.
It
was
referenced,
the
seventy
five
percent
increase
in
incarceration
for
African
Canadians.
F
What
works
is
not
resume
development
and
government
subsidized
short-term
placements,
but
real
skills
and
real
industry
informed
pathways,
but
it's
hard
to
get
cultural
focus
and
competency
and
all
the
career
pathways
in
one
place,
and
that's
why
partnership
is
so
essential
to
create
the
specific
solutions
we
need
for.
A
very
specific
high
needs
group
of
young
people,
so
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
was
unique
about
C's
approach
to
work
with
youth
in
conflict
with
the
law.
F
The
first
thing
is
cultural
competency,
see
we
bring
the
ability
to
work
with
young
black
men
and
women
who
have
been
in
conflict
with
the
law
through
staff
who've
had
years
of
experience
doing
this
work,
relatable
life
experiences
and
a
deep
theoretical
understanding
of
the
role
identity
plays
in
the
situation
these
youth
face.
The
second
is
a
focus
on
building
long-term
relationships.
Trust
is
such
an
issue
for
these
young
people.
F
Their
life
experiences
with
authority
figures
and
mainstream
systems
mean
Trust
is
hard
to
earn,
but
without
establishing
trust,
these
programs
don't
work
because
to
help
empower
a
young
person,
you
need
to
know
what's
going
on.
For
example,
let's
say
you
can't
travel
to
a
job
placement,
because
the
community
you
have
to
pass
through
has
individuals
that
you
had
conflict
with
in
your
previous
street
engagement
and
you
fear
for
your
safety
or,
let's
say
you're,
dealing
with
trauma
from
your
time
and
incarceration.
F
These
are
the
complexities
faced
by
the
young
men
and
women
who
want
to
change
their
lives,
who
we
serve,
and
these
are
things
that
lead
to
them
being
late
for
work,
not
showing
up
for
training,
struggling
to
complete
tasks
and
the
shame
and
stigma
attached
a
conflict
with
the
law
means
they
rarely
tell
their
employers
or
trainers,
what's
actually
happening,
and
so
people
just
say:
oh,
but
he's
lazy,
they're
not
committed.
He
just
doesn't
want
this.
F
It's
only
through
building
relationships
of
trust
like
we
do
at
sea
that
we
can
find
out
what
are
the
barriers
holding
these
folks
back
and
then
help
them
to
solve
them.
We
do
this
by
starting
every
program
with
a
three-day
retreat
for
all
staff,
including
test
case
workers
that
were
involved
and
participants
there.
We
do
a
lot
of
personal
development
and
storytelling,
so
we
don't
just
assemble
classes.
F
We
create
a
community
and
after
three
days
of
bonding
suddenly
Youth
are
willing
to
come
to
us
on
that
bus,
ride
home
and
begin
telling
us
what's
happening
in
their
lives
things.
Other
programs
may
not
learn
till
month.
Six
we're
able
to
learn
right
at
the
beginning,
where
we
are
able
to
put
together
a
suite
of
supports
for
them.
F
Then,
during
the
program,
during
the
training
and
after
graduation,
the
same
people
they
bonded
with
one
of
who
always
has
a
Masters
of
Social
Work
continue
to
do
ongoing
relationships
with
these
young
men
and
women
connecting
at
every
stage
of
the
process
to
help
them
gain
work
and
keep
it
and
keeping
it
is
the
biggest
barrier
for
young
people.
Who've
had
little
work,
history
and
poor
financial
literacy.
Finally,
what
we
do
is
the
focus
on
identity.
F
Psychologists
have
shown
that
empowerment
is
about
increasing
someone's
locus
of
control,
making
them
feel
that
can
actually
influence
things
in
their
lives.
When
someone
believes
in
themselves,
in
their
future,
they
will
get
up
at
5:00
a.m.
for
training
program.
They
will
step
outside
of
their
comfort
zone
for
an
interview.
They
will
save
money
to
invest
in
education.
Many
of
these
young
people
have
little
hope,
there's
a
future
outside
of
the
street
lifestyle
for
them,
and
their
sense
of
identity
has
been
Dan
and
their
blackness
is
core
to
their
identity.
F
F
They
can
she
achieve
anything
and
unlearn
the
culture
of
the
streets
that
these
individuals
have
embraced
and
we
give
them
a
new
culture
grounded
in
a
strong
sense
of
who
they
are
identity
is
why
we
do
things
like
holding
a
nice
graduation
for
our
program,
because
for
many
of
the
young
people
they
say
it's
the
first
time,
they've
graduated
from
anything.
It's
why
we
spend
300
dollars
and
do
a
professional
photo
shoot
with
all
of
them,
and
people
say
why
would
you
do
that?
B
F
Just
say
in
conclusion:
people
talk
about
social
capital
and
that's
key
to
what
we
do.
This
idea
of
bonding
and
bridging
helping
folks
to
bond
together
with
folks
of
their
own
identity
within
the
black
community,
but
giving
them
the
confidence
and
strength
to
bridge
to
step
out
of
their
community
and
connect
with
those
from
other
places.
How
do
we
do
that?
We
do
that
through
wraparound
supports
through
a
retreat,
one-on-one,
coaching
and
mentorship.
G
Ok
good
morning
my
name
is
Evan
bonus.
I
am
the
project
director
for
the
Labor
Education
Center.
So
my
main
objective
is
to
ensure
that
the
youth
are
prepared
to
enter
the
construction,
trades
and
I
do
that
through
hands-on
projects,
class,
certifications,
centered
around
the
construction
trades,
and
these
are
recognized
by
the
industry
and
are
unionized
partners
and
without
the
proper
accreditations
needed
for
the
trades.
Countless
youth
in
our
communities
and
existing
members
within
the
trades
themselves
are
unable
to
set
foot
on
site
and
that's
really
important.
G
You
know
to
ensure
their
success
and
another
main
objective
mine
is
to
make
the
road
to
construction
trades
more
accessible
and
I.
Do
this
through
the
relationships
I've
built
through
my
18
years
of
experience
with
the
different
trades
and
having
the
youth
the
youth
certified
to
understand
the
hazards
in
the
industry.
It
empowers
them
right.
It
makes
them
make
the
proper
choices
to
say
state,
say
safe,
sorry
and
flourish
in
our
industry,
and
it
also
displays
the
commitment
to
our
partners
by
always
aspiring
to
exceed
the
industry
standard
by
doing
a
tailored
type
of
approach.
G
Looking
at
the
needs
of
the
industry
and
matching
it
up
with
our
participants
and
currently
because
of
many
of
the
projects,
including
the
Eglinton
crosstown,
there
is
a
shortage
of
work
in
the
trades
and
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
people
in
the
community
who
we
can
reach
out
to
and
the
trades
and
there
have
never
been
a
better
time
to
reach
out
to
the
community
to
help
build
these
cities
and
to
solidify
the
dream
of
prosperity
with
their
communities,
industry
and
our
union
partners.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
B
H
Having
my
company
I
hire
a
lot
of
youths,
especially
from
from
Scarborough
Center,
the
latest
one
of
my
best
staff
comes
from
council,
a
gram
serious
at
that
time
she
was
a
single
mother
and
she
was
unemployed.
She
was
17
her
criminal
records
like
this
dislike.
She
did
what
was
the
easiest
way
to
get
quick
cash
and
so
hard
drugs.
She
has
a
record.
We
all
have
a
way
up.
We
all
were
young
and
stupid
at
some
point.
You
know
people
people
a
youth,
especially
with
a
criminal
record,
depending
on
the
record.
H
It
should
be
giving
a
second
chance.
Counselor
a
Kelly,
a
Kelly
Ryan
for
think
was
the
mayor
of
Scarborough
one
time
and
eating
when
the
Constitution's
eventually
gave
you
a
second
chance,
and
you
want
what
for
tea,
you
know
yeah,
it
happens.
There's
a
decay,
counselor
Holland
run
against
agent
heaps.
She
lost
the
first
time
since
this
is
four
years
later.
H
H
No,
that's
not
fair
answer.
Graham
says
what
she's
one
of
my
best
staff.
She
takes
great
rec
here
for
her
daughter,
she's
changed.
We
all
make
mistakes.
You
know
a
especially
black
youth,
which
is
a
lot
in
my
company.
Take
a
discriminate
just
because
they're
passing
by
or
if
you
live
in
Jane
and
Finch.
You
know
that
the
past
is
the
past.
H
If
you
serve
time
in
jail,
you
put
you
pay
for
your
crime,
you
should
you
should
move
on
that
presentations
and
the
previous
person
and
think
us
a
woman,
the
day's
presentation
that
the
life
sentence.
You
know
I
am
no
different
thing.
If
I
didn't
have
the
record,
I
didn't
do
I
didn't
commit
murder
or
something
just
I
have
a
mouth.
When
I
went
when
I
was
young
13
like
a
teenager
and
I
spoke
and
given
that
did
it
because
I
didn't
like
authority
back,
then
you
know
you
guys
could
get
say.
H
Sarah
example,
ten
years
ago,
I
used
to
work
for
a
member
of
parliament
in
a
Canadian
Parliament,
a
key
in
the
Sun
in
the
summer,
hired
youth,
youth
and
specifically
people
with
not
the
best
track
record
to
lead
an
example.
You
know
you
people,
you
people
can
do
it
like
cancer
Thompson.
We
have
there's
great
using
skin,
inscriber
I,
think
they're
they're
the
best
using
in
the
whole
entire
city,
I'm
biased,
because
I
live
in
Scarborough.
You
know
what
yeah
you
should
give
them
a
chance.
A
you
know.
That's
all.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
I
Take
notice
that
the
crown
is
the
surety
for
mr.
Derrick
Moran,
the
person
I
have
my
mum,
just
I'm
Derrick,
my
mom
calling
me
Derrick
I
just
want
to
thank
you
actually
I
want
to.
Thank
you
actually
for
what
you
said
at
the
beginning.
For
referring
to
the
public
here
is
the
most
important
people
are
in
the
room.
I
just
want
to
share
something.
I
Absolutely
right
when
you
say
govern
ourselves
accordingly,
as
Ontario
is
a
common
law
jurisdiction
where
the
rules
of
equity
apply
also
so
in
this
report
it
mentions
these
include
the
Toronto
police's
transformational
task
force
report
action
plan,
the
way
forward,
which
highlights
the
need
for
additional
strategies
to
address
police
distrust
among
youth
and
especially
black
youth.
Well,
I'm
telling
you
I
got
the
best
idea
on
what
to
do
about
addressing
police
distrust
among
youth
and
especially
black
youth.
I
I
I
So
it's
blurry
there,
but
there's
in
that
picture.
There's
Staff,
Sergeant,
Greg
watts
and
the
white
sleeve,
there's
Frank
in
superintendent,
Frank,
Bergen
and
behind
him
would
be
chair.
Andy
Pringle,
the
question
I
had
paraphrasing
for
the
officer
was
Scott.
Duncan
says
the
crown
is
the
surety
for
the
person
we
all
have.
Is
that
true
now
it
took
a
while
to
get
there,
but
eventually
the
police
officer
who
answered
my
question
answer
was:
if
you're
talking
about
the
person
who's
charged
and
keep
in
mind
charge
is
an
accounting
term.
I
Then
the
answer
is
yes
and
I.
Don't
know
if
anyone
registers
with
anyone,
but
that
is
the
finest
form
of
open
and
honest
and
accountable
and
transparent
government-
probably
ever
be
I'll
just
switch
back
over
here.
So
I
would
suggest
that
in
the
future
that
the
youth,
because
part
of
the
transformational
task
force
is
getting
out
there
and
community
engagement
like
don't
be
afraid
to
talk
to
the
police,
so
every
youth,
black
youth,
no
matter
what
color
you
are
go.
I
I
18
times
in
this
report,
one
of
your
successors,
councillor
Thompson
at
the
Toronto
Police
Services
Board,
a
while
back
ken
Jeffers,
was
enlightened
enough,
while
speaking
to
someone
with
his
five
minutes,
I
forget
exactly
what
the
context
wasn't
what
you
came
up,
but
he
brought
up
the
conspiracy
or
conspiratorial
nature
of
the
criminal
justice
system.
That's
discussed
by
some
people
out
there
section
one
of
the
Criminal
Code
says
this
Act
may
be
cited
as
a
criminal
code
in
the
dictionary
of
Canadian
law.
The
first
definition
given
for
the
word
act
is
a
statute.
I
Now
here's
the
problem
with
the
Criminal
Code.
Some
of
these
cure
youths
running
too
no
one
realizes
and
it
can
be
figured
out
by
following,
along
with
the
Supreme
Court
of
Canada
case
Trotwood
Ag
vs.
cervical
wire
and
nail
1979
Canadian
maritime
law
means
the
law
that
was
administered
by
the
Exchequer
Court
of
Canada
on
its
Admiralty
side
by
virtue
of
the
Admiralty
act
or
any
other
statute.
I
This
definition
of
Canadian
maritime
law
and
section
2
refers
to
the
law
that
was
administered
by
the
Exchequer
court
by
virtue
of
the
Admiralty
act
or
any
other
statute.
The
reference
to
the
Admiralty
Act
is
undoubtedly
to
the
Act
of
1934,
but
the
Admiralty
act
of
1891,
although
it
was
repealed,
may
certainly
be
considered
as
any
other
statute.
Remember,
Criminal
Code
is
an
act
and
act
as
a
statute.
Any
other
statute.
Maritime
law
refer,
is
the
jurisdiction.
I
That
applies
when
one
is
on
the
water,
but
here
in
reality,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
Ontario
is
a
common
law
jurisdiction
where
the
rules
of
equity
apply.
Also,
we
are
on
dry
land.
There
is
no
water,
so
does
everyone
see
the
problem
now
with
acts
and
statutes
and
in
this
case
the
Criminal
Code?
You
know
these
kids,
at
least
the
ones
who
didn't
do
anything
wrong.
I
You
know
actually
harm
someone
create
an
injured
party,
the
doctrine
of
corpus
delicti,
nothing
more
than
what
famed
animal
rights
activists
in
internet,
Juris,
Scott,
Duncan
or
first,
who
has
boat
law
being
improperly
applied
against
him?
It's
the
wrong
jurisdiction,
that's
being
improperly
applied
against
a
lot
of
these
kids.
Thank.
B
J
J
Think
what
this
says
is
if
you're
going
to
look
at
a
person
for
a
job
and
your
company,
large
or
small,
look
at
the
skills
that
they
bring
and
not
at
a
record
that
would
appear
to
have
no
bearing
whatsoever
or
minimal
bearing
on
their
performance
as
an
employee.
The
second
point
I'd
like
to
make
is
that
it's
going
to
be
really
critical
to
create
improved
services
in
this
area,
because
not
only
our
jobs,
changing
new
jobs
being
created,
but
many
of
the
new
jobs
that
are
being
created
are
very
sophisticated
jobs.
J
That
and
I
will
illustrate.
For
example,
I
went
to
a
opening
of
a
Lexus
dealership
and
I
was
talking
with
the
manager
of
the
the
parts
and
repair
section,
and
he
said
you
know
30
or
40
years
ago,
engines
were
looked
at
and
engines
were
mechanical
in
their
operation
and
the
the
relationship
between
parts
was
pretty
basic.
J
So
it's
just
going
to
get
harder
and
harder
to
place
to
improve
skills
of
people
who
are
basically
unskilled
or
under
skilled
in
the
future,
and
given
that
that
challenge
I
think
there
that
this,
these
sorts
of
improvements
have
to
be
have
to
be
supported
and
enlarged,
because
this
is
a
this
is
a
critical
social
issue
in
the
City
of
Toronto
and
that
we've
got
to
bring
everything
that
we
can
to
bear
to
meet
that
challenge.
Thank
You
mr.
chinnough.
B
You
were
much
council
Kelly.
Are
there
any
further
speakers?
Okay,
so
I'm
going
to
speak
on
the
item.
I
have
a
motion
and
motion
is
on
the
screen
that
City
Council
record
requests
a
premier,
Ontario
Minister
of
Children
and
Youth
Services,
a
Minister
of
Community
Safety
and
Correctional
Services
to
review
their
current
reintegration
and
discharge
program
for
youth
aged
between
16
to
29
to
ensure
it
better
prepares
them
for
re-entry
into
the
community.
B
Such
review
would
apply
to
those
who
are
released
directly
from
a
provincial
Correctional,
Facility
or
those
who
are
released
from
court
after
serving
time
in
the
provincial
facility.
Let
me
first
of
all
congratulate
the
staff
on
an
excellent
report.
It's
very
detailed
and
focus.
Let
me
also
as
councillor
Kelly
has
highlighted
the
fact
that
it
appears
that
information
is
coming
forward.
That's
very
helpful
to
us.
B
There
are
a
lot
of
young
people
out
there
who
are
suffering
and
are
impacted
by
decisions
that
are
made
because
they're,
young
and
so
I
don't
think
that
we
need
to
kind
of
castigate
and
penalize
them
for
the
entirety
of
their
lives,
because,
as
we're
hearing,
it's
becoming
really
problematic
and
difficult
for
them
to
advance
themselves,
because
many
would
like
to
because
they
have
made
a
mistake
and
find
ways
to
help
them
along
I.
Think
it's
important
that
mr.
B
Stanley
spoke
about
that
young
woman
who
had
the
issue
with
respect
to
with
with
the
criminal
justice
system
and
what
she
went
through
and
she's,
trying
to
better
herself
and
found
herself
being
sort
of
pulled
back
into
that
quagmire
and
she's
being
suffocated
by
our
own
rules,
and
so
that
the
the
thing
that
we
have
to
ask
ourselves.
If
young
people
make
a
mistake,
are
they
given
another
opportunity
to
be
able
to
help
themselves?
And
if
not,
then
we
should
just
basically
lock
them
up
forever.
B
I'm,
not
advocating
that,
of
course,
because
that's
really
silly
and
stupid.
To
be
quite
frank
with
you.
What
we
are
saying
is
that
we
need
to
give
them
an
opportunity
to
be
able
to
extricate
themselves
from
the
challenges
and
the
fact
that
they've
served
their
time
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
But
we
have
now
made
it
more
difficult
because
we've
had
a
lot
of
issues
around
crime
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
so
we've
actually
sort
of
Cominco
all
of
this
together.
B
In
order,
then,
to
try
to
appease
and
to
make
people
feel
safer
based
on
legislation
so
on
I,
don't
necessarily
think
that
it
does
make
them
feel
safer,
but
maybe
there's
a
appearance
of
it,
but
what
it
actually
does.
It
has
a
far-reaching
implication
in
effect
and
those
who
are
affected
by
it.
Think
about
it.
B
If
you
put
your
own
self
in
that
particular
situation,
having
committed
a
crime
and
you're
young-
and
you
feel
ok
great
I've
done
my
time
and
want
to
be
able
to
advance
myself
and
you
find
that
you
can't
because
of
the
rules
and
regulations
and
then
others
use
the
rules
in
their
favor
to
either
pay
you
less
because
they
can
and
so
on
support.
So
you
demoralize,
you
amputate
the
spirit
of
these
young
people.
B
The
more
did
we
amputate
the
spirit
of
our
young
people,
the
more
they
become
involved
in
criminal
activities
and
engaging
the
actives
that
we
don't
want
that
to
be
involved
with
and
so
on,
and
particularly
for
young
black
youth
from
the
city
they're
already
under
they
are
behind
the
8-ball,
as
it's
been
stated
because
of
the
diversity
of
their
skin.
Colour
and
I'll
say
this
because
it
happens
all
right,
there's
no
denying
it.
You
can
deny
it
all
you
want,
but
the
truth
of
the
matter
is
the
reality.
B
Is
you
have
to
be
in
the
skin
that
they're
actually
in,
in
order
to
feel
the
impact
of
what's
actually
being
done
to
them?
As
our
society
is?
We
are
a
decent
society,
we're
a
civil
society
and
I
think
we
want
to
remind
people
of
some
of
the
decisions,
some
of
the
impact
of
those
decisions
on
the
very
people
that
we
are
trying
to
help
we've
heard
about
the
number
of
the
over-representation
of
blacks
in
the
penal
system.
Why
is
that?
B
We
have
to
ask
ourselves-
and
we
hear
about
young
people
who
want
to
get
ahead
and
having
committed
some
offense
and
they
can't,
because
the
rules
now
are
now
so
stacked
against
them.
So
if
we're
basically
suggesting
that
they're
destined
to
a
life
of
subsistence
in
our
decent
society,
I
think
that
we
need
to
really
revisit
this
situation
so
in
the
penal
system
that
I'm
quite
familiar
with
is
because
I've
been
to
the
jails
to
talk
to
young
people,
talk
to
prisoners
who
are
going
to
be
coming
out.
There
are
no
training.
B
There
are
nothing
that
they
can
do
to
help
themselves
on
re-entry
into
civil
society.
When
they
come
back,
they
are
basically
left
to
fend
for
themselves.
There's
nothing!
That's
happening
for
them.
Now.
I've
spoken
the
Ministry
I've
spoken.
The
minister's
is
talking
to
folks
about
that.
I
think
we
need
to
take
a
look
at
that,
because
what
will
actually
eventually
happen
they
will
reoffending
continue
to
refund.
We
continue
to
spend
a
lot
of
money
to
keep
these
people
housed
in
jails
and
the
penal
system.
B
It
costs
us
more
to
actually
keep
them
there
than
it
actually
does
to
actually
train
them
for
a
job,
an
opportunity
we're
hearing
that
there
are
skills,
jobs
that
are
available
that
are
needed
off
young
people,
young,
talented
people,
and
we
need
to
kind
of
revisit
how
we
see
this,
we're
not
suggesting
for
one
minute
that
I'm
supporting
young
people
committing
crime,
creating
you
know,
conditions
in
our
society.
That
is
inappropriate.
B
What
we
are
saying
is
that
once
they
have
done
that,
we
want
to
find
a
way
to
help
them
in
advance
himself
and
try
to
make
sure
more
people
and
young
people
stay
away
from
crime
and
are
actually
involving
good
things,
but
we
have
to
create
the
opportunities.
So
that's
my
emotions.
Okay,
all
right,
seeing
no
further
speakers,
so
we're
actually
going
to
vote
on
the
motion.
First,
okay,
so
on
the
motion,
all
those
in
favor
pose
that
scared
item
as
amended
all
those
in
favor
opposed.
That's
carrot!
E
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
K
G
L
J
L
J
B
J
K
L
L
L
B
Thank
you
all
right
to
speak
on
the
item.
Ok,
I'm,
going
to
just
suggest
on
the
recommendation.
It
says
a
process
and
timeline
basically
that
it's
asking
for
a
report
to
report
back
to
Council,
but
really
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
have
this
report
come
back
to
economic
development
and
then
we'll
go
off
the
council.
So
if
we
can
ask
staff
to
make
that
change
in
the
recommendation
so
to
report
back
to
EDC,
Economic
Development
Committee,
and
then
we
could
move
this
along
and
all
those
in
favor
with
the
amendment.
B
B
Edie
21.3
bid
to
designate
Toronto
as
a
UNESCO,
creative
City
of
media
arts,
and
we
have
professor
Paolo
Granada
Granada
University
of
Toronto
professor
welcome.
Thank
you.
You've
been
watching
the
proceedings
so
far
and
thank
you
very
much
for
your
involvement
in
this
particular
process.
You
have
five
minutes,
sir.
Thank
you.
M
City
councilors
members
of
the
executive
committee,
members
of
the
public.
We
appreciate
this
opportunity
to
come
and
speak
this
morning
so
currently,
I
have
the
privilege
to
be
a
visiting
professor
at
the
University
of
Toronto
I
teach
at
the
University
of
Bologna
Bologna
is
not
only
home
of
the
oldest
university
in
the
Western
world
Bologna
since
2006
is
also
a
UNESCO
creative
city
for
a
music
I
was
a
champion
and
a
strong
supporter
of
that
designation.
M
At
the
time
I
used
to
chair
an
International
University
Jazz
Festival,
presented
by
the
University
of
Bologna
I
myself
experienced
how
meaningful
was,
and
actually
is,
that
designation,
not
only
in
the
field
of
music
but
also
for
the
overall
cultural
and
creative
industries
in
terms
of
identity,
networking
and
sustainability.
I
came
to
Toronto.
Indeed,
I
was
attracted
to
Toronto
because
of
its
diverse
cultural
climate
and
because
of
its
unique
intellectual
heritage
in
the
field
of
median
Communication,
Arts
and
Technology,
as
well
as
urban
sustainable
development.
M
Some
brilliant
intellectuals,
such
as
Harold
eNOS,
Marshall,
McLuhan,
Glenn,
Gould,
Jane
Jacobs,
in
fact,
from
Toronto,
took
the
world
by
storm.
These
cultural
pioneers
came
to
be
known
as
the
Toronto
School
of
Communication,
sharing
the
belief
in
technology
as
the
fundamental
process
that
structures
minds
and
societies
and
leads
the
development
of
any
artistic
and
cultural
expression.
M
M
In
2003,
the
City
Council
adopted
a
ten
year
action
plan
to
guide
the
city's
cultural
development,
in
the
belief
that
culture
and
creativity
are
essential
to
Toronto's
economic
future
and,
more
recently,
under
the
leadership
of
councillor
Thompson,
a
new
plan
for
Toronto
was
released,
conceiving
creativity
as
a
strategic
factor
for
urban
sustainable
development.
Well,
now
is
the
time
now
is
the
time
to
make
an
ambitious,
brave
and
compelling
effort
for
Toronto's
cultural
Renaissance.
M
It's
time
for
Toronto
to
take
its
place
among
the
greatest
and
leading
creative
cities
of
the
world.
Also,
if
designated
Toronto
will
be
the
largest
creative
city
of
the
network
of
North
America,
so
I'm,
here
speaking,
even
on
behalf
of
the
University
of
Toronto,
which
is
working
for
that
designation,
particularly
to
ensure
an
active
participation
of
all
relevant
stakeholders
in
the
field,
as
well
as
to
gather
the
necessary
information
on
the
cultural
assets,
experiences
and
expertise
or
the
city.
M
The
University
of
Toronto
is
proudly
committed
to
fully
integrate
culture
and
creativity
into
its
local
and
global
development
strategies
and
plans.
The
University
of
Toronto
and
its
vibrant
community
is
committed
to
act
as
the
University
for
Toronto
conceiving
the
UNESCO
designation
as
a
chance
to
establish
a
permanent
focus
on
the
creative
city
and
building
a
long-term
vision
and
sustainable
initiative.
Were
research,
education
and
public
engagement
play
a
fundamental
role
to
make
Toronto
Anke
better
place
to
live,
to,
learn
to
work
and
creatively
drive
to
make
a
blue.
Yes,.
B
M
B
B
L
B
We
have
been
working
in
all
of
the
areas
that's
been
identified
here
in
the
report,
talked
about
music
media
arts
and
so
on
as
part
of
our
focusing
on
film,
television
and
music
and
so
on.
This
would
actually
be
a
real
asset
benefits
to
the
city.
To
have
this
designation
very
much
so
it'll
be
part
of
a
marketing
branding.
That
would
help
us
to
really
position
ourselves
and
the
professor
is
indicated
globally
correct
right
and
do
you
have
any
concerns
with
respect
to
moving
forward
with
this
particular
item?
No,
okay,
fantastic!
Thank
you
all
right.
B
Members.
I
would
simply
thank
the
professor
for
your
service
and
your
energy
and
passion
for
Toronto.
We
like
it
when
people
come
to
the
city
and
recognize
the
things
that
we
all
recognize
and
in
fact
things
that
some
of
us
take
for
granted.
The
professor.
If
I
had
the
ability
to
give
you
the
keys
to
the
city,
I
would
be
bestowing
it
on
you
because
you've
done
us
a
great
service
and
your
passion
and
energy
is
says,
is,
is
contagious
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
others
are
aware
of
it.
So
we
do.
B
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
bringing
this
particular
matter
to
our
attention.
We
also,
of
course,
thank
the
University
of
Toronto
for
first
of
all,
having
you
and
secondly,
for
agreeing
to
work
with
us,
because
they're
a
great
institution
that
has
done
great
work
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
We
continue
to
work
with
UFT,
and
so
thank
you
very
much,
professor.
So
members,
we
have
the
item
here,
there's
a
recommendation.
We
are
going
to.
Basically
all
those
in
favor
of
the
item
opposed
that
it's
carried.
Thank
you.
B
So
we
will
be
moving
right
along
all
right.
So
members
we
are
now
moving
to
so
item
number
five
Edie,
21.5,
2017,
major
cultural
organization
allocation
I
have
a
brine
Hendrix.
Who
is
the
first
speaker
mr.
Hendrix,
is
that
mr.
Angier?
Okay,
all
right?
Thank
you.
Mr.
Hendrix,
you
have
five
minutes,
sir,
and
you
may
start
as
soon
as
you
all
start
you're
Thomas
soon
as
you
sit.
Thank
you
very
much,
sir.
Please
begin
hi.
N
There,
my
name
is
Brynn
Hendricks.
Thank
you
for
your
time
in
front
of
you,
you
should
have
a
coil
bound
binder
that
has
approximately
nine
thousand
signatures
requesting
that
the
police
be
permitted
within
the
parade
and
I
know
that
there's
been
some
some
media
today
discussing
the
fact
that
the
police
are
not
banned
and
that
they
are
welcome,
just
not
in
uniform
I.
N
So
you
have
9,000
signatures
there
and
I've
also
provided
a
copy
of
the
cap
report,
which
is
the
Community
Action
panel
report.
That
is
a
report
that
was
designed
by
through
thousands
of
consultations
when
this
issue
came
up.
Similar
issue
came
up
years
earlier,
with
regards
to
quiet
and
in
in
that
report
there
is
a
dispute
resolution
process
that
is
designed
specifically
to
help
address
matters
like
this,
so
that
they
don't
become
so
so
contentious
in
the
way
that
and
divisive
in
the
way
that
the
this
we've
seen
this
happen.
N
I
have
a
nice
little
speech
here
that
I
spent
about
two
weeks
working
on
to
make
sure
that
every
word
in
here
was
was
what
I
felt
and
what
I
thought
would
get
me
in
the
least
amount
of
trouble
from
people.
That
I
was
pretty
sure
we're
going
to
to
analyze
everything
that
I'm
saying
but
I'm
not
going
to
use
that
right.
Now,
it's
on
the
USB
and
I'm
happy
to
share
a
copy
of
it
with
anybody
else
who
wants
it,
but
I'm
going
to
speak
a
little
bit
more
I.
N
Last
night
Olivia,
who
is
then
the
executive
director
for
Pride
Toronto,
issued
a
statement
and
it
was
posted
about
bringing
people
together
and
the
us-versus-them
mentality
and
and
while
I
wholeheartedly
agree
with
with
what
she's
saying
that
we
need
to
avoid
that.
I.
Don't
believe
that
the
the
approach
has
been
taken
has
done
anything
to
to
to
prevent
that
in
with
her
acknowledgments.
She
and
and
pride
have
not
been
part
of
the
conversation
that
has
been
going
on.
N
There's
been
thousands
and
thousands
of
comments
on
this
issue,
which
pride
is
not
responded
to
any
of
them,
and
nine
thousand
signatures
is
nothing
to
scoff
at
so
I
know
full
well
counsel
that
you're
going
to
approve
the
the
funding
today.
I
know
how
this
works,
but
I'm
going
to
suggest.
Instead
that
there
be
a
motion
by
the
time
we
get
to
the
24th,
when
this
actually
gets
voted
on
by
all
of
Council,
that,
instead
of
defunding
I,
don't
think
we
should
be
defunding
pride
anymore,
I
initially
was
going
to
suggest
that
we
should.
N
We
should
not
be
defunding
pride.
We
have
to
think
longer
term.
We
had
to
think
longer
term
when
we
created
the
cap
report
back
when
we
had
the
quiet
issue.
But
what
I
do
feel
is
that
on
one
hand
say
that
we
do
not
want
police
marching
in
uniform,
celebrating
the
oppression
that
they
have
overcome
within
their
own
occupation,
but
that
we
then
are
okay
with
having
the
police
provide
security
on
at
that
same
time.
N
That's
that's
hypocritical
and
it's
not
acceptable
and
I
think
that
we
know
that
I
think
that
our
hearts
and
minds
guide
us
to
reject
exclusion
and
I.
Think
it's
not
just
mine,
I
think
yours
does
too
and
I
think
you
know
and
feel
that,
and
so
it
is
important
to
to
recognize
that
the
the
Toronto
Police
Association
has
made
this
request
of
counsel
for
a
reason
and
that
please
deserve
to
be
respected,
and
this
is
not
about
this-
the
the
argument
that,
while
the
uniform
is
not
necessary
and
that
the
weapons
are
not
necessary.
N
This
is
part
it
is
part
of
their
identity
in
and
the
pride
and
the
work
and
the
effort
that
have
went
into
this
relationship
with
with
this
with
the
police
has
been
extensive.
So
I
would
urge
Council
to
consider
a
motion
that
asks
for
pride
to
pay
for
the
policing
which
is
but
the
million
dollars
I
would
encourage
council
to
continue
with
the
240
thousand
dollar
grant,
but
I
would
encourage
council
to
ensure
that
pride
pays
for
the
police
if,
if
that's,
if,
if
they
require
that
security
than
they
ought
to
pay
for
it.
B
N
I'm
not
affiliated
with
anybody
I
can
have
my
I
worked
extensively
in
the
gay
and
lesbian
community
ace
be
on
the
board
for
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
for
Toronto
PFLAG
I
was
the
creator
of
founder
of
liberal
pride.
The
National
LGBTQ
liberal
organization,
I
was
worked
for
a
Gallic
Canada
Human
Rights
trust,
which
was
the
equal
marriage
organization
and
the
the
the
national
advocacy
organization
and
I
also
worked
for
Bill
Graham
later
the
opposition
on
Parliament
Hill
I
worked
for
a
couple.
N
G
N
J
G
N
B
O
K
N
K
N
So
I
don't
have
a
comment.
They
took
my
extra
copy,
but
it
is
towards
the
end
and
it's
it's
it's
there's
a
whole.
So
part
of
the
process
is
that
they
actually
bring
in
dispute
resolution
officers
and
that
they're
supposed
but
pride
voted
to
supersede
that
they
in
at
the
AGM.
That
was
really
hijacked.
In
my
view,
they
voted
to
supersede
the
dispute
resolution
process
and
just
completely
ignore
it
entirely.
So.
N
K
N
N
N
In
the
exec
yeah
in
the
executive
summary,
and
then
there
is
oh
here
we
go
even
under
the
so
you'll
see
it's
referred
to
throughout
so
let's
say,
for
example,
page
130.
First
to
the
DRP
of
the
dispute
resolution
process,
136
yep,
it
refers
to
the
dispute
resolution
process.
There
there's
it
they
can
find
the
entire
DRP
section.
N
The
process
so
essentially
what
it
comes
down
to
is
that
when
there
are
issues
witness
a
matter
such
as
that,
a
current
pride
within
30
days,
it
is
expected
that
somebody
file
a
complaint
which
there
was
there
was
one
filed,
a
very
in-depth
one,
which
has
been
also
ignored,
but
the
when
that
is
filed.
Then
it
is
up
to
pride
to
bring
together
a
dispute,
a
number
of
dispute
resolution
officers
that
then
follow
a
set
of
a
crate
in
how
to
address
both
sides
of
the
issue
in
in
January
when
they
had
the
AGM.
N
They
voted
to
completely
sidestep.
All
of
that
so
that
they
didn't
bring
in
any
dispute
resolution
officers
and
when
I
met
with
Olivia
to
discuss
this.
She
wasn't
yet
familiar
in
her
new
role.
In
fairness,
she
only
started
in
February.
She
wasn't
yet
familiar
with
the
DRP,
but
subsequently
there
has
been
no
effort
to
to
even
to
acknowledge
it
to
bring
it
into
to
utilize
it
and
we're
here
today.
Now
with
this
very
divisive
issue
that
could
have
been
it
could
have
been
brought
and
should
have
been
brought
forward
through
the
dispute
resolution
officers.
Great.
N
Across
the
board,
so
we
is
posted
through
change.org
change.org
allows
for
people
to
to
anybody
who
feels
that
way
to
join
that,
but
that
movement
based
on
Torontonian
yeah,
if
you
go
to,
if
you
look
at
the
the
predominant
number
of
signatures,
are
from
Toronto.
So
you
can
see
by
the
postal
codes
and
in
the
city.
The
vast
majority
is
were
from
trauma,
but
there
are
people
from
all
around
the
world
actually
and
I
think
we
counted
like
like
37
or
38
different
countries,
but
the
vast
majority
of
them
are
from
Toronto.
Thank.
B
You
thank
you
very
much
counsel
Kelly
mr.
Hendricks
I
wonder
if
he
just
helped
me
and
I
guess
also
help
the
clerk
just
to
understand
the
signatures
that
you
put
here
and
put
forward
or
the
actually
names
because
they're
not
but
it's
online
signature
yeah,
so
I
put
a
link
there
as
well,
so
you
can
see
how
people
don't
know
yeah
and-
and
so
this
at
this
time,
is
it
being
presented
at
some
point
to
council
resists
to
your
organization.
It's.
N
Been
presented
both
to
we've
already
sent
a
copy
of
it
to
Pride,
so
that
was
presented
to
the
executive
as
it
was
written.
But
it
was
also
sent
out
by
a
message
to
the
people
who
participate
like
in
that
that
they
would.
They
were
aware
that
be
coming
to
Council
and
it's
also
been
presented
to
the
province.
All.
B
N
B
B
N
B
B
Thank
you
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
all
right,
just
a
question
of
staff.
Just
this
off
to
me
the
presence
of
staff.
Many
members
there
are
eight,
oh,
no,
no
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we
can
see
them,
so
questions
of
staff
will
come
later
once
everyone's
finished.
That's
I
just
want
to
remind
you.
Okay,
all
right,
so
we
are
hearing
the
other
deputies.
Yes,
we
are
so
I
have
the
next
speaker.
I
have
is
Robert
McGuire
mr.
McGuire
Robert
McGuire.
B
A
B
N
G
G
G
But
there
is
no,
there
is
no
history.
Are
you
them
x.x
ministry
yeah
if
you're
ex-military
I'm
very
proud
of
you
already
I'm
sorry
I
grew
up
in
a
bit
of
a
rough
state.
I've
experienced
homelessness,
I've
known
what
it's
like
to
have
absolutely
nothing
yeah,
so
yeah
I'm,
definitely
most
grateful
justjust
for
life.
We've
only
just
met
but
I
think
you're.
The
sort
of
person
that
would
listen
to
me
and
we'd
have
a
discussion
rather
than
our
yeah.
You
could
hang
out
with
Matt's
going.
G
G
O
M
O
F
F
G
G
B
O
You
for
giving
me
this
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
all.
It's
much
appreciated,
I
think.
Firstly,
I
would
say
this
and
it's
the
most
important
part
of
why
Pride
Toronto
is
here.
We
are
the
biggest
festival
in
this
country.
We
bring
in
the
brig
the
biggest
dollar
amount
into
this
city.
Our
audiences
are
the
biggest
of
any
festival
that
you
run
in
this
city.
O
We
are
a
queer
movement.
That
means
our
priority
are
the
lgbtq+
community,
and
in
that
we
think
it's
important
to
listen
to
what
every
aspect
of
our
community
has
to
say
in
this
instance
last
year
an
aspect
of
our
community
had
something
to
say
about
a
parade
that
they
design
and
that
they
run
about
how
that
parade
is
designed,
planned,
developed
and
delivered,
and
we
absolutely
had
an
obligation
to
listen
to
those
concerns
and
be
seen
to
be
actively
addressing
them
that
matters
to
us
as
a
movement.
O
Secondly,
when
it
comes
to
police
participation,
I've
said
it
before
and
I'll
say
it
again.
The
most
positive
aspect
of
what
has
happened
through
this
dialogue
is
the
relationship
between
Pride
Toronto
and
the
Toronto
Police
Service.
Together,
we
have
decided
that,
in
fact,
it
is
important
to
listen
to
these
views.
Together,
we
have
decided
that
these
views
are
not
often
heard,
and
together
we
have
decided
that
we
are
going
to
spend
time
over
the
next
12
months,
figuring
out.
O
What
that
participation
looks
like
Brin
helpfully
mentioned
the
DRP
process
and
the
here's
the
thing
about
the
DRP
process.
The
DRP
process
is
meant
to
mediate.
Conflict
and
Pride.
Toronto
does
not
see
this
as
a
conflict.
We
don't
see
communities
who
tell
us
that
their
relationship
with
an
organization
that
we
have
a
relationship
with
needs
to
be
looked
at.
That's
exactly
what
we
did.
We
don't
think
it's
a
conflict.
O
We
think
it's
a
conversation
and
so
there's
no
need
to
bring
any
outside
mediator
into
a
conversation
where
everybody
around
the
table
agrees
that
something
needs
to
happen,
but
what
I
can
say
well,
what
I
feel
is
that
talking
about
either
defunding
pride
as
an
organization
or,
if
not
defunding
pride
fiddling
about,
if
you
will
with
our
finances,
because
we
have
chosen
to
have
this
conversation.
We
also
feel
is
unjust
and
not
fair.
O
So
we
say
this
to
you
as
the
biggest
festival
in
the
city
that
is
certainly
or
the
priority
of
this
committee,
as
is
the
priority
of
Pride
Toronto,
is
to
make
it
as
successful
as
possible.
Prior
Anto
through
its
community,
has
done
that
and
we
don't
think
in
fact
that
it
is
necessary
to
be
punished
because
of
it.
We
we
think
Pride
Toronto
should
be
celebrated
for
the
position
we're
in
now,
because
we
don't
see
it
as
a
negative
position.
O
We
see
us
as
a
group
of
people
who
are
willing
to
listen
and
who
are
willing
to
make
sure
that
everybody
is
heard.
Another
thing
about
the
DRP
process
is
the
police
at
some
point,
chose
to
pull
out
so
I
have
made
it
clear
through
a
statement
and
through
an
open
letter
that,
in
fact
the
police
have
never
been
banned
from
our
parade.
They
are
not
banned
from
our
parade.
Now.
O
What
we
ask
is
that
the
police
do
not
represent
themselves
or
individual
LGBTQ
police
officers
not
represent
themselves
in
the
light
of
their
uniform,
their
weaponry
or
police
vehicles.
That
is
not
banning
that
is
us
as
an
organization
responding
to
our
constituents
and
suggesting
to
them
that
we
respect
what
they
think
and
feel.
We
will
spend
time
thinking
about
what
that
looks
like,
and
we
will
come
to
them
with
an
answer
that
works
for
everybody,
which
is
exactly
what
we're
trying
to
do.
B
G
O
G
O
Not
a
request
of
the
police
service,
we
have
legitimately
filed
a
permit
to
put
on
an
event
and
that
legitimate
filing
requires
the
law
to
be
there
legally.
So
in
that
sense,
they
will
be
legally
carrying
out
their
duties,
protecting
the
citizens
of
the
city
as
the
Toronto
Police
Service.
That
is
not
up
for
negotiation.
O
G
O
O
P
You
very
much
and
thank
you
Olivia
for
your
deputation
I,
just
want
to
ask
you
to
clarify
prior
on
toast
position
on
police
participation,
which
is
sort
of
dominating
today's
discussion.
When
did
Pride
Toronto
conclude
that
the
police
should
march
but
outside
of
uniform
and
not
carrying
guns
or
in
vehicles
armored
vehicles,
this.
O
Actually
isn't
new,
we
have
said
it
four
times
before
now.
We've
always
said
now,
of
course,
the
way
in
which
our
public
town
halls
and
our
AGMs
have
been
translated
have
not
been
through
Pride
Toronto
they've
been
that
narrative
has
developed
outside
of
us
as
an
organization,
but
we
have
never
said
that
the
police
are
banned
from
our
parade.
We
don't
believe
either
at
any
of
our
town
halls
or
even
with
all
due
respect.
Our
AGM
did,
we
say
the
police
and
individual
LGBTQ
police
officers
are
banned
from
the
parade.
O
O
Actually
was
before
I
started
and
then
soon
after
I
started.
Actually
so
when
the
police
withdrew
from
the
parade
I
believe
we
put
out
a
statement
then
which,
from
my
from
my
recollection,
was
February
the
10th
actually
there's
a
Facebook
there's
a
clear
Facebook
statement
that
says
the
police
are
not
banned
from
our
parade
and
then
every
interview,
I've
done
since
has
been
some
version
of
the
police,
are
not
banned
from
our
parade
understanding
that
it
wasn't
clearly
clear
enough.
We
put
out
a
not
only
a
letter
but
a
statement
clarifying
that
further.
Why.
P
Do
you
think
so
much
is
lost
in
translation
between
your
four
public
position,
around
police
participation
and
clarifying
that
and
what
is
actually
report
in
the
media
and
how
it's
actually
carried
out
in
the
public
dialogue
through
social
media?
Why
is
so
much
loss
in
translation?
As
you
see,
it,
I
think.
O
A
lot
a
lot
is
lost
in
translation
here
for
several
reasons.
One
I
think
there
is
not
enough
understanding
about
the
whole,
particularly
lgbtq+
community
and
their
historic
relationship
with
police
services
and
so
I
think
if
you
are
an
outsider,
you
might
be
looking
at
that
conversation
and
wondering
how
it
became
the
way
it
did
wondering,
perhaps
why
it
seems
so
polarized,
that's
because
the
history
is
decades
long
and
so
I
think
that
that's
important.
O
Secondly,
I
think
it's
important
that,
as
the
City
of
Toronto
itself
has
begun
to
look
at
more
deeply
this
issue
of
how
black
communities
experience
life
in
Toronto
and
particularly
how
queer
communities
of
color
experience
life
in
Toronto
is
perhaps
not
an
often
had
conversation,
and
so
it
feels
newer
from
the
outside
perspective,
but
actually
inside
our
organization
and
inside
the
movement
as
a
whole.
There
is
a
clear
and
strong
tradition
of
working
with
communities
who
feel
themselves
marginalized
by
systems
or
by
processes
and
trying
to
overcome
those
marginalization
with.
O
Of
it
goes
to
the
parade
all
of
it
is
about
putting
on
about
the
weekend
festivities
from
the
22nd
to
the
25th,
our
our
our
signature
festivities
and
the
parade
is,
in
a
large
part,
supported
by
the
City
of
Toronto,
and
it's
in-kind
support
through
the
variety
of
logistical
plans
and
other
supporting
that
we
get
from
you.
If.
P
P
O
Would
happen
is
we
would
get
our
communities
together
again?
We
would
explain
to
them
that
the
context
of
our
in
the
context
of
our
organization,
there
are
significant
issues
around
funding.
We
will
always
make
sure
a
festival
is
put
on,
but
we
would
do
so
within
the
confines
of
whatever
financial
environment
that
we
find
ourselves
in,
but
we
will
always
put
on
a
festival.
Thank.
B
K
You,
mr.
chairman,
good
to
see
you
going
a
couple
weeks
ago
at
the
beginning
of
your
deputation
said:
LGBT
user
is
the
focus,
and
what
do
we
say
to
the
LBG
community
which,
in
the
police
force
now
that
has
made
great
strides
where
we're
seeing
letters
from
you
know,
officer
now
and
senior
command
positions?
What
are
we
saying
to
them?
K
O
What
we
are
also
saying
to
them,
though,
is
that
as
a
service
between
the
Toronto
Police,
Service
and
Pride
Toronto,
we
have
chosen
to
take
a
step
back
to
better
understand
exactly
what
some
of
the
feedback
was
that
we
received
from
pride
from
our
prior
Anto
community
members.
We
are
going
to
work
together
to
try
to
figure
a
way
through
this
as
organizations,
but
that
does
not
preclude
individuals
from
marching
in
our
parade,
and
we
want
to
make
that
clear.
O
We
are
about
lgbtq+
individuals
and
celebrating
that
within
all
of
our
communities,
as
it
comes
to
the
representation
of
services
and
organizations.
Yes,
these
are
complicated
conversations,
but
they
are
ones.
The
pride
Toronto
is
utterly
willing
and
able
to
have
what
we
are
asking.
Those
officers
is
to
give
us
time,
given
that
we
have
not
had
this
conversation
before
to
figure
out
what
we
need
to
do
so
that
everybody
can
come
back
to
the
table.
Feeling
appropriately
heard
and
feeling
that
they've
been
a
part
of
the
process
of
this
festival
was.
J
O
Know
what
I
would
describe
the
3dep
utans
are
three
people
who
have
a
view
different
from
my
own
who've
had
life
experiences
different
from
my
own,
but
I
would
also
describe
pride
Toronto
as
an
organization
that
makes
room
for
absolutely
all
of
us,
as
Brinn
himself
mentioned,
I
have
spoken
to
him.
I
have
met
with
him.
O
B
B
G
O
G
B
O
Board
members
are
elected
from
our
membership;
they
tend
to
make
up
a
range
of
the
professions
that
one
would
need
on
a
corporate
board.
So
we
have
everybody
from
students
to
you
know:
tax
accountants
to
lawyers,
you
name
it.
We
run
subcommittees.
Those
subcommittees
generally
tend
to
deal
with
a
range
of
issues
that
come
up
so,
for
the
most
part,
I
would
say
our
board
are,
as
you
saw
from
the
AGM.
O
They
are
elected
in
a
kind
of
blind
election
process.
They
are,
there
dead,
tends
to
be
anywhere
from
I,
think
promotes
either
eight
to
ten
or
eight
to
twelve
and
for
them
and
we
meet
monthly
or
they
meet
monthly
and
for
the
most
part,
our
board
are
full
of
a
range
of
passioned,
supportive,
long-standing
members
of
the
pride
community,
who
feel
very
strongly
as
strongly
as
everybody
else
does
about
these
issues
and.
B
O
What
tends
to
happen
is
we
have
an
open
registration
for
our
parade
and
for
our
street
fair
people
will
register
online.
We
will
have
a
look
at
that
list
and
when
Bryn
was
referring
to
the
DRP
process,
if
there
are
any
organizations
or
issues
that
come
up
as
a
result
of
that
process
like
choir,
it
will
go
to
a
DRP
process
and
an
independent
panel
will
judge
their
inclusion
or
exclusion.
So.
B
B
O
B
On
the
one
hand,
you're
being
asked
to
ban
one
group
and
the
other
hand,
there's
a
supposition
that
you're
banning
another
group
but
I'm
hearing
that
you
don't
have
the
right
to
ban
that
group
or
part
of
what
I'm
hearing
here
today
is
that
if
you
banned
that
group,
we
want
to
penalize
you
by
retracting
your
funding.
Well,.
O
B
B
So,
as
I've
heard
from
many
in
the
community,
there
are
people
who
are
angry
that
you
bend
the
police
you're,
reiterating
the
fact
that
the
police
have
not
been
bad,
but
it
the
way
it
came
out
some
time
ago.
Prior
to
your
assuming
the
position,
it
was
suggested,
or
at
least
it
was
commuted
in
a
way
that
suggested
there
was
a
ban
and
you're
now
clarifying
that
by
both
your
statement
and
your
media
release.
B
Yes,
all
right
so
going
forward
as
part
of
the
discussion
and
dialogue
that
has
to
take
place
with
the
police
you're
saying
that
there
have
been
issues
with
the
police
historically
with
the
community.
Those
issues
have
not
been
fully
resolved.
There's
an
opportunity,
as
move
in
terms
of
moving
forward,
to
have
dialogues
to
hopefully
resolve
those
particular
issues.
B
Is
that
correct,
that's,
correct
and
and
those
issues
being
going
through
a
process
in
terms
of
resolving
you
as
I,
think
you
pointed
out,
you
may
or
may
not
actually
have
the
police
in
uniform,
but
that's
a
decision
that
the
board
will
make
at
the
appropriate
time
in
conversation
and
consultation
with
the
parties
being
the
police
service
and
I
gather.
Whoever
else
is
involved
is
that
correct?
That's.
B
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
answers.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay
members.
We
have
two
additional
speakers
who
have
added
their
names
to
the
lists
and
I'm
going
to
call
them
forward.
David
Morris,
David
Morris.
Mr.
Morrison.
Thank
you.
You
come
forward.
Please.
You
have
five
minutes
to
speak.
Sir
I'll
start
your
telling
when
you've
said
great,
okay,
ready,
yep.
A
Sir
hi
there
so
my
name
is
David
Morris
I
am
the
chair
of
the
board
of
management
of
the
519
I'm
joined
today
by
members
of
the
staff,
including
several
senior
managers
from
the
organization.
For
those
who
aren't
aware,
the
519
is
a
City
of
Toronto
Agency
and
a
direct
service
agency
to
the
community.
A
We
have
thousands
of
clients
and
we
continue
to
hear
from
them
about
their
experiences
of
marginalization,
their
their
feelings
of
isolation
and
being
separated
from
the
community,
and
so
we
believe
that
this
is
a
conversation,
that's
important
and
can
needs
to
continue
to
move
forward.
I
think
that
the
519,
also
as
an
organization,
has
taken
a
strong
position
that
we
need
to
move
beyond
a
dialogue
of
who's
in
and
who's
out
of,
the
parade
and
more
to
a
long-term
resolution
between
racialized
communities
and
an
institution
which
has
a
history
of
discrimination.
A
I
hope
it's
not
lost
on
this
committee.
The
irony
of
the
presentation
that
happened
previously
in
the
agenda
around
youth
justice
and
the
barriers
that
especially
black
youth,
face
in
trying
to
access
employment
after
they
leave
the
justice
system.
There
are
systemic
issues
here
at
play
and
we
want
to
continue
to
advance
those
conversations
and,
as
you've
heard
from
Pride,
Toronto
they've
also
made
it
quite
clear
in
their
presentation
that
they're.
A
In
that
conversation,
we
as
the
519
also
are
a
part
of
that
conversation
and
wanting
to
work
with
communities
and
the
police
service
to
move
to
a
long-term
resolution.
So
with
that
I'm
just
going
to
wrap
up
very
quickly
and
say
that
as
an
organization,
we
want
to
continue
to
call
on
council
to
continue
to
support
the
process
of
all
through
full
funding.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
B
A
Think
that
Pride
Toronto
is
having
thorough
conversations
with
the
community
and
that
these
decisions
are
not
being
made
in
isolation
and
I
think
that
the
broader
community
is
performing
part
of
this
discussion
and
we,
as
the
519,
wants
to
continue
to
play
a
part
in
that
conversation
as
well.
But
again,
this
is
beyond
the
issue
of
parades.
This
is
about
systemic
racism
within
our
community
and
within
our
city,
and
we
want
to
continue
to
advocate
and
push
for
that
conversation.
Thank.
B
H
H
Don't
I
haven't
issued,
there
was
a
lot
of
talk
at
the
police
or
been
like
only
Olivia
said
personally
I,
don't
think
I
mean
to
say
she
should
get
the
funding
when
you
invest.
If
you
gave
me
a
dollar
and
I
give
you
a
hundred
dollars
back,
I've
been
participating
in
the
IMP
right
ront
of
for
the
past
11
years
or
so
as
an
individual.
H
The
festivities
should
should
get
the
funding.
If
you
invest
a
dollar
and
you
get
50
cents
back,
that's
but
a
bad
funding.
If
you,
if
you
give
Pride
Toronto
a
dollar
and
they
give
you
a
thousand
dollars
back,
that's
a
great
great
great
investment.
If
the.
If
the
events
don't
happen
when
you're
all
finished,
/
parading
after
the
parade
on
the
Saturday
ego
or
silent
and
go
to
the
local
restaurants
participate
in
different
events
on
Church
Street
there's,
nobody
has
a
has
been
banned.
It
needs
to
be
more
discussion.
H
All
the
groups
get
into
Olivia
spoke.
Most
of
us
is
gonna,
say
soon.
There
should
be
more
just
more
discussions.
All
council
grants
and
the
rest
of
you
should
come
again,
but
I
think
it's
wrong
by
the
idea
that
councillor
Campbell
said
to
remove
the
funding
is
a
great
investment.
This
is
no
no
different
than
TIF
or
any
other
of
parades.
H
You
bring
job
simply
brings
money
to
the
local
businesses
and
pride
pride
month
of
a
couple
of
years
ago
that
brought
a
lot
of
money,
a
lot
of
visitors
that
spent
their
money
in
Toronto
for
local
small
businesses
in
the
area,
the
city
tour.
She
should
do
it
the
same
thing
as
the
many
members
of
the
lgbtq+,
an
earring
letter,
I'm
missing
that
are
afraid
of
the
police
and
the
guns.
I,
don't
like
I,
don't
like
weapons
myself.
I
came
from
a
third
world
country
with
issues
of
the
police.
You
know
just
like
saying.
H
B
L
B
K
B
B
So
when
you
look
at
this
issue,
you're
suggesting
at
this
point
that
there
are
no
elements
that
would
be
deemed
or
presumed
to
be
discriminatory
in
any
actions,
that's
being
taken
by
said
organization
and-
and
it
has
been
stated
by
the
organization
that
they're
not
banning
any
group
from
participation.
There.
O
B
L
B
Okay,
that
you
can
be
Terry,
you
can't
determine
now.
Can
you
help
us
to
understand
the
values
and
benefits
associated
with
and
I'll?
Just
ask
the
questions
with
respect
to
all
of
the
groups
that
are
here
listed
I,
there's
an
assumption
that
there's
an
economic
benefits
associated
with
the
city
and
that's
part
of
the
contribution,
that's
correct
right,
and
so
in
the
case
of
Pride
Toronto.
L
B
And-
and
you
would
agree
with
me-
that
a
independent
board
of
any
of
these
organizations
and
are
listed
here
on
your
lists-
will
make
decisions
for
those
organizations
correct
and
decisions
are
made
by
those
organizations
if
you
found
or
deem
them
to
be
contrary
of
any
city
policy,
you
would
do
what
based
on
an
action.
Would
you
simply
remove
funding
because
they've
asked
our
funding,
or
would
you
have
dialogue
and
discussion
to
get
clarification
on
the
issue
that
you
may
be
concerned
with
or
your
stuff?
We.
L
B
B
Were
any
that
we're
offside
you
would
not
be
recommending?
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct,
you're,
recommending
I,
believe
I
think
it's
13-mile
on
my
count,
one
two
of
ten
groups
that
are
here
for
funding.
That's
correct
right
and
you
again
restate
the
fact
that
there
is
nothing
that
you
understand
that
would
disqualify
any
of
the
group
that's
listed
on
this
list.
That's
correct,
correct!
Okay!
Thank
you
all
right
to
speak
to
speak
councillor
Kelly!
It's
the
first
person
I
have
on
my
list.
Thank.
J
J
J
Olivia
has
asked
for
time,
she's
brand-new
to
the
job
and
I'm
certainly
willing
to
give
her
the
time
needed
to
listen
to
the
participants
to
this
issue.
Now
it's
always
easier
to
negotiate
your
way
to
a
consensus
if
the
players
are
clustered
a
left
and
right
close
to
the
center.
But
if
you
have
players
that
are
to
the
extreme
on
the
spectrum,
where
positions
tend
to
be
more
rigidly
held,
then
oh,
it's
a
real
test
of
Lee
and
I.
K
You
mr.
chairman,
I
first
want
to
say
I
think
there's
one
of
the
premier
festivals.
We
have
in
the
City
of
Toronto
it's
a
great
event
and
I
hardly
support
it
and
councillor
Kelly
said
the
people
of
Toronto
look
forward
to
this
pray,
but
just
not
the
people
of
Toronto
the
opportunity
to
travel
the
Florida
summer
met
a
couple
general
that
came
to
Toronto
first
because
were
the
first
place
to
come
here
and
get
married,
so
we
are
world
leaders
not
so
the
world
looks
forward
to
this.
K
There's
pray
people
come
from
all
over
the
world
with
that
I'm
kind
of
surprises.
With
reading
through
the
report
that
this
does
comply
with
the
the
grants
policy,
I
didn't
think
it
would,
but
it
does.
But
you
know,
reading
on
this
executive
summary
from
the
the
tune
advisory
panel,
there's
a
perfect
storm
back
in
29
and
2010
with
the
clearances,
Israel
apartheid.
K
So
I
think
this
is
kind
of
another
one
of
those
and
I
don't
think
it's
over
yet
I
think
it's
gonna,
be
more
of
I'm,
worried
about
sponsorship
being
pulled
for
this
festival,
but
I
did
get
a
chance
to
sit
down
with
Olivia
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
in
a
private
meeting
with
her,
and
they
are,
they
are
new.
They
got
the
work
cut
out
for
them.
K
They
don't
have
a
big
staff
behind
them
to
figure
this
out,
but
I
know
they
are
talking
with
chief
Saunders
and
they
are
trying
to
work
things
out
so
I.
Don't
think
this
is
the
end.
We're
gonna
hear
of
it.
I
think
this
will
probably
be
debated,
largely
a
council
but
I
wish
them
luck
in
the
negotiations.
Hopefully,
a
good
resolution
come
to
this
and
basura
before
the
parade
gets
here
this
summer.
Thank
You
counsel.
G
I'll
be
brief
in
my
remarks
and
I'll
be
supporting
the
recommendations
and
I'm
I
have
to
say
I'm,
encouraged
by
the
new
leadership
comments
today
that
they're
in
discussions
active
discussions
in
a
dialogue
with
all
the
parties
to
try
to
come
to
some
kind
of
resolution,
and
so
you
know,
I've
read
the
report
and
and
I
believe
the
staff
when
they
say
that
these
things
are
in
compliance.
So
so
that's
it
and
I'm
sure
we'll
have
a
fulsome
discussion
at
Council
later
this
month
around
this
issue
as
well.
So
we'll
look
forward
to
that
debate.
G
B
You
very
much
councillor
I'm,
going
to
move
the
recommendations
that
are
in
the
report
all
right.
First
of
all
want
to
thank
all
of
the
presenters
who
have
come
to
speak
today.
You
know
the
the
really
cool
thing
about
our
city
and
the
people
in
this
city.
Is
that
no
matter
how
difficult
a
situation
or
a
matter
is,
we
actually
can
bring
cooler
heads
to
prevail
and,
while
I
understand
that,
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
and
and
for
those
who
are
doing
the
work
I
wish.
B
You
really
well
in
this
I
want
to
thank
particularly
the
executive
director
for
Pride
Toronto
I've
had
as
well
private
meetings
with
her
and
I
think
that
her
passion
and
energy
that
she
brings
to
this
organization
will
help
the
organization
I've
had
in
the
past
meetings
with
other
members
of
the
organisation
and
so
on,
but
I
detect
a
different
sense
of
not
only
ability
but
also
passion
for
the
new
executive
director.
Clearly
we
have
some
of
the
finest
men
and
women
who
are
in
policing
in
the
world
in
this
city.
B
There's
no
doubt
about
that,
but
we
also
know
we
have
challenged
with
the
Toronto
Police
and
men
and
women
in
that
organization.
I
can't
put
the
point
of
finger
at
which
one
specifically,
but
we
hear
from
groups
whether
or
not
it's
a
racialized
group
or
the
groups
involved
in
Pride
and
others
who
come
forward.
Clearly,
we
want
to
find
a
solution.
B
B
Obviously
it's
it's
it's
it's
historical
in
nature
and
it
has
been
ongoing
for
some
time
and
there's
effort,
I
think
from
all
sides
to
try
to
bring
a
resolution
and
resolve
I'm,
not
supportive
of
any
measures
that
will
penal
an
organization
that
is
not
breaking
any
city
rules,
and
so
we've
heard
from
the
staff
that
there
are
no
rules
that
being
broken,
I'm
quite
familiar
with
governance
and
corporate
governance,
and
so
on
and
board
of
directors
and
so
on.
The
boards
can
make
decisions
on
behalf
of
their
membership,
their
organization
and
so
on.
B
If
those
are
discriminatory
in
nature
or
in
in
in
in
how
we
measure
this,
we
obviously
have
an
obligation
as
a
city,
to
respond
we've
heard
from
the
general
manager
of
economic
development
that
none
of
this
occurs
in
this
process.
Oftentimes
we
hear
what
we
want
to
hear
and
what
we
hear
is
then
discussed
and
reviewed
and
talked
about
and
something
that
changes
from
what
we've
actually
heard.
I
had
not
heard
that
the
police
were
banned
from
the
parade.
I
had
heard
that
police
personnel
were
not
invited
to
participate
in
their
uniforms.
B
That's
what
their
communication
has
stated
in
so
on,
and
so
there's
work
to
be
done
and
I
have
no
doubt
there'll
be
more
discussion
and
dialogue
at
Council
and
submissions
and
so
on,
but
I
think
the
public
should
understand
what
we've
heard
today
from
the
executive
director
is.
That's
the
person
I'm
gonna.
Take
my
cue
from
that.
There
is
not
a
ban
on
Toronto
police
participating
in
the
Pride
Festival
activities
that
will
take
place
pride.
B
The
festival
itself
is
world.
We're
down
pretty
well
everywhere.
I
go
I,
hear
from
people
about
the
fact
that
they've
either
come
to
Toronto
I've
heard
about
pride
and
how
wonderful
this
particular
festival
is
whether
or
not
you're
part
of
the
community
or
the
broader
community.
The
fact
of
the
matter
is
we
celebrate
pride.
We
appreciate
pride,
we
love
pride
in
city.
It
has
great
benefits
to
her
city,
economic,
otherwise,
and
social
as
well
as
for
those
young
people
who
find
themselves
in
challenges
in
terms
of
try
to
identifying
their
sexuality
and
so
on.
B
Prod
is
that
ability
that
opens
their
eyes
and
open
sort
of
the
perspective
and
just
being
who
they
want
and
choose
to
be
without
any
sort
of
form
of
either
retribution
or
anything
else
from
our
city.
That's
something
that
we
ought
to
recognize
and
that's
something
we
ought
to
celebrate.
So
adults
are
having
some
dispute
or
discussion
about
how
they
go
forward.
Let's
take
the
adult
sit
down
and
dialogue.
I
think
that
we
ought
to
proceed
with
respect
to
the
funding
for
Pride
I
think
we
are
not
get
into
a
great
debate.
B
Allow
the
group
to
go,
discuss
and
come
back
to
us.
They've
told
us
they're
gonna!
Do
that!
Please
give
them
that
opportunity
cap!
Sorry,
you
were
out
of
the
room
when
we
started
I
will
actually,
if
members
will
allow
just
deviate
and
go
back
just
give
you
the
opportunity
to
speak
on
this
particular
issue.
Okay,
yes,.
P
Thank
you
very
much
councillor
Thompson
I
do
appreciate
it.
This
particular
matter
before
us
is
obviously
one
that
is
of
great
importance.
I,
think
that
all
the
deputies
should
be
applauded
for
taking
the
time
to
join
us
today.
There
is
clearly
a
wide
range
of
opinions
in
the
community,
and
this
is
a
community
that
I
know
to
be
a
hyper
diverse.
It's
a
community
that
is
is
one
that
is
steeped
in
the
discussions
around
intersectionality.
There
is
no
one
monolithic
position
within
the
LGBTQ
queue
as
a
community-
that's
just
not
before
us
today.
P
It
is
simply
a
community
that
has
a
wide
range
of
constituents,
and
that
means
that
it
takes
time
for
the
community
to
sort
through
the
dialogue.
It
means
that
when
friction
does
occur,
we
have
to
sit
down
and
have
those
those
conversations
and
I
think
that
the
other
thing
that
I
want
to
point
out
is
that
pride
Toronto
is
a
sexual
liberation
movement.
It
is
political.
It
is
one
that
has
individuals
who
have
different
lived
experiences
than
myself
as
an
able-bodied
sis
woman.
P
It
would
be
a
horrible,
it
would
be
horrible,
I
think
if
the
City
of
Toronto
is
even
or
if
anybody
on
City
Council
was
to
even
table
a
motion
to
defund
Pride
I
think
it
actually
sends
the
wrong
message
for
a
city
that
is
growing
it
as
at
the
pace
that
it
is.
It's
also
going
to
send
the
wrong
message
for
us
as
a
city
that
is,
that
is
embracing
of
cultural
funding
and,
as
Toronto
has
been
the
leader
across
Canada
around
these
issues
around
the
sexual
liberation
movement.
P
It
just
does
not
bode
well
for
a
community
when
we
are
being
told
by
those
who
perhaps
never
even
marched
in
the
Pride
Parade,
that
the
funding
should
be
taken
away
and
I
think
it's
absolutely
critical
for
us
to
recognize
that
there
perhaps
may
be
an
anime.
A
merger
of
forces
that
are
now
before
us
that
it's
just
too
convenient
for
us
escape
wrote
Pride
Toronto.
This
is
a
hard
job
that
they
have.
P
They
are
being
asked
to
be
all
things
to
all
people,
and
they
are
trying
desperately
to
make
sure
that
the
door
is
open.
I
have
had
personal
conversations
now
with
the
police
chief
I've
had
personal
conversations
with
Pride
Toronto
I've
received
correspondence
from
the
widest
range
of
individuals,
and
there
is
a
very
broad
range
of
opinions
out
there.
The
one
thing
I
do
know
is
that
it
has
to
cook.
P
P
I
may
not
even
agree
with
with
the
message
in
the
demands
of
the
day,
but
what
I
know
that
is,
it
is
my
job
as
a
member
of
the
community
is
to
make
sure
that
everyone
has
an
opportunity
to
be
heard,
and
that
means
absolutely
everybody,
especially
those
in
the
community
who
are
also
seen
as
voiceless,
especially
those
in
the
community,
are
oftentimes
already
marginalized.
That
includes
that
includes
sex
workers.
That
includes
our
transgendered
folks,
that
includes
people
who
are
indigenous
people
who
are
living
in
Toronto
without
status.
P
That
includes
black
people
and
people
of
color.
They
experience
they
experience
the
world
in
different
ways
that
I
cannot
imagine.
I
cannot
tell
them
what
is
right
or
wrong.
I
just
have
the
opportunity
to
listen
and
that's
what
pride
does
pride
actually
allows
us
all
to
come
together
to
have
that
discussion.
It
doesn't
mean
that
there
is
one
position
as
right
or
one
positions,
that's
wrong.
It
just
means
that
the
hard
work
that
Olivia
and
her
team
are
doing
is
is
to
be
applauded.
It
means
their.