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From YouTube: Parks and Environment Committee - February 23, 2018
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Parks and Environment Committee, meeting 25, February 23, 2018
Agenda and background materials:
http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/decisionBodyProfile.do?function=doPrepare&meetingId=13034
Meeting Navigation:
0:07:17- Call to order
2:14:18 - Meeting resume
Agenda Items:
0:16:14 - PE25.1 - Tree Protection through the Committee of Adjustment Process (Ward All)
1:18:14 - PE25.2 - Criteria for Fuel and Biodiesel for the City of Toronto (Ward All)
2:25:45 - PE25.3 - Osler Playground Capital Improvements (Ward 19)
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Welcome
to
the
friendliest
coziest
smartest
happiest
committee
in
this
building,
so
we
are
starting,
it's
actually.
The
25th
meeting
of
parks
and
Environment
Committee
today
was
so
welcome
to
our
members
of
committee,
and
actually
we
don't
have
any
councilors
visiting
today,
but
welcome
to
staff
as
well
hard-working
staff
for
those
in
the
room
with
us.
The
screen
at
the
back,
if
you're
familiar,
provides
real-time
updates
concerning
where
we
are
at
in
the
agenda
and
what's
coming
next
and
you
can
follow
the
agenda
and
debate
on
your
computer
tablet
or
smartphone
the
agenda.
A
So
we
are
now
going
through
the
agenda.
Excuse
me,
as
I
said,
it's
a
packed
agenda,
its
quality
over
quantity,
PE,
25.1
tree
protection
through
the
community
of
adjustment
process,
and
we
are
holding
that
purpose.
Tation.
Oh
sorry,
before
we
do
that
I'm
doing
the
declaration.
I'm
Johnny
had
declaration
of
interest
under
the
Mizpah
code
and
seeing
none
confirmation
of
minutes
from
our
last
committee
meeting
in
January
council,
eight
council
mellow
all
in
favor
opposed
that
carries
and
while
we
just
continue
with
the
agenda
and
then
we'll
go
back
to
our
presentations.
A
So
we
were
holding
PE
25.1
for
presentation,
P,
twenty
five
point:
two
criteria
for
fuel
and
biodiesel
for
the
city
of
Channel
has
some
deputations
and
we
have
a
third
item
feel
free
to
bring
any
other
items.
You
want
our
next
agenda,
but
councillor
Layton.
Has
the
third
item
so
can
I
have
some
move
to
add
that
to
the
agenda
count
so
Layton's
gonna
do
that
all
in
favor
pose
that
carries
and
we
have
some
excitement.
We
have
a
couple
presentations.
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A
He's
worked
for
the
City
of
Toronto,
with
urban
forestry
for
under
18
years
whoa,
he
must've
started
when
he
was
10
and
he's
moved
progressively
through
different
responsible
positions
from
supporting
the
Asian
longhorn
beetle
eradication
program
to
the
latest
assignment
as
manager
tree
protection
and
plan
review.
During
his
time,
he's
been
a
key
contributor
at
many
high-level
projects,
helping
to
advance
the
city's
urban
forestry
management
program.
A
His
knowledge
and
experience
working
with
the
policy
and
regulatory
framework
that
guides
urban
forestry
activities
and
his
strong
super-strong
communication
and
customer
service
skills
are
among
his
best
features,
and
he
has
oh
yes,
so
he's
leaving
us
today
is
his
last
day
and
he's
going
to
greener
pastures
in
st.
John's
Newfoundland.
D
F
Good
morning,
madam
chair
members
of
councilor
are
members
of
committee,
so,
as
for
the
record
I'm
Jason
tilde
director
from
forestry
beside
me,
as
as
we
just
send
off
the
Bryan
Mercer
manager,
tree
protection
plan,
review,
he's
actually
gonna
take
in
the
job
to
city
forester
in
st.
john's
nucleons,
taking
a
big
role
and
we've
got
Daniel
boven
he's
the
manager
of
policy
and
planning
daniel
will
walk
us
through
the
presentation
and
we'll
be
here
for
questions.
G
City
council
quested,
the
general
manager
parks,
forestry
and
recreation
in
consultation
with
the
city
solicitor,
the
chief
building
official
and
the
city
planner
to
undertake
a
review
of
the
committee
of
adjustment
consent
and
minor
variance
review
process
as
it
relates
to
tree
protection.
The
following
presentation
will
provide
a
walkthrough
of
the
decision-making
process
and
some
examples
of
how
this
process
is
applied.
G
The
City
of
Toronto
act
grants
authority
to
enact
by
laws
prohibiting
or
regulating
the
destruction
or
injury
of
trees.
Policy
with
respect
to
the
regulation,
preservation
and
enhancement
of
the
urban
forests
also
exists
within
the
city's
Official
Plan,
which
envisions
a
balance
between
economic,
social
and
environmental
factors.
G
G
Building
permit
applicants
are
directed
to
a
preliminary
project
review
which
identifies
whether
the
development
proposal
is
compliant
with
local
zoning.
If
the
applicant
zoning
is
compliant,
Toronto,
buildings
will
also
require
further
documentation
related
to
the
proposal.
This
includes
a
tree
declaration
form.
The
tree.
Declarations
purpose
is
to
draw
attention
to
the
provisions
of
the
tree
bylaws,
including
general
information
and
related
tree
permitting
information
tree
bylaws
are
not
listed
as
applicable
law
under
the
Ontario
Building
Code.
G
G
The
review
and
response
is
specific
to
the
site
and
objections
and
conditions
apply
only
to
proposed
variances
or
the
consent
that
will
impact
trees
protected
under
the
tree.
Bylaws
urban
forestry
staff
either
object
to
the
application
request.
Deferral
confirmed
that
it
has
no
objections
or
that
it
has
no
objections,
subject
to
certain
conditions
when
open
forestry
objects
to
a
minor
variance
or
consent
application.
A
standalone
memo
is
submitted
to
the
committee
of
adjustment,
which
provides
details
about
the
impacts
to
existing
trees
and
sites,
the
relevant
Official
Plan
policies
supporting
tree
preservation
and
growth.
G
The
scenario
shown
here
outlines
a
typical
proposal
for
construction
of
a
new
single-family
dwelling.
The
existing
dwelling
is
shown
in
yellow
hatching
and
the
as
of
right.
Joning
is
shown
in
red
with
the
actual
proposal
being
shown
in
black.
The
tree
is
that
green
outline
there
just
south
of
the
building.
G
Urban
forestry
does
not
request
a
specific
condition
be
imposed
on
a
committee
of
adjustment
applications
such
as
this.
If
the
variances
are
granted,
urban
forestry
would
authorize
removal
of
the
tree
of
the
tree
by
a
permit
under
the
private
tree
bylaw
with
applicable
replanting
conditions,
as
is
consistent
with
the
Official
Plan.
G
In
this
second
example,
the
tree
in
this
example
that
the
portion
of
the
building
that
requires
the
variances
will
in
fact
impact
the
tree.
In
this
case
urban
forest.
She
would
object
to
the
committee
of
adjustment
and
request
denial
of
the
application
if
these
variances
are
granted.
Despite
urban
forestry
objections,
urban
forestry
would
authorize
removal
of
the
tree
by
permit.
G
G
A
D
We
still
have
when
someone
comes
in
with
an
application.
The
current
practice
does
require
them
to
to
present
there's
a
tree
on
this
lot.
It
shows
up
in
your
drawing
and
they
present
their
their
tree
protection
plan,
but
we
still
have
the
problem
they
may
present
and
they
may
even
say,
and
we're
going
to
apply
for
a
tree
removal.
It's
not
clear
to
us
what
gets
said
that
the
table
their
precedent
would
tell
you
that
we
are,
as
a
council,
rarely
approving
the
removal
of
a
tree
now
and
yet
at
the
counter
it
doesn't.
D
It
doesn't
seem
as
though
they're
getting
the
immediate
comment.
Are
you
sure
you
want
to
apply
with
this?
Drawing?
Are
you
sure
you
don't
want
to
go
home
and
make
some
stylistic
changes
to
your
driveway,
because
this
council
rarely
approves
the
removal
of
a
tree?
And
so
they
sort
of
say
thanks
for
the
advice,
I'm
gonna
roll,
the
dice?
It
doesn't
feel
as
if
they're
being
encouraged,
to
really
take
a
good
look
at
their
playing,
because
they're
gonna
have
a
hard
time
removing
a
tree.
And
what,
if
you
want
to
talk
to
that?
Who.
F
You
met
him
chair
to
the
councilor
Habs.
We
go
to
this
slide.
That
shows
the
process
flow.
It
might
help
us
understand
how
it
works
when
somebody
says
I
want
to
build
something
they
go
through
to
check
see
if
it's,
it
goes
through
a
project
alignment
with
zoning
so
that
they
start
off
with
building.
If
the,
if
the
project,
let's
assume,
is
in
the
as
of
right
building,
will
give
them
a
permit
and
they
will
give
them
a
tree
decoration
which
requires
them
to
come
to
our
counter.
F
At
that
point,
our
staff
are
suggesting
you
need
an
arborist
report.
You
need
this.
You
need
that
making
footprint
changes
we
unless
the
tree
is
in
D.
As
of
right,
we
have
no
authority
to
to
die
the
permit,
so
we
issue
the
permit
we'll
try
and
negotiate
some
type
of
redirect,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
they're
not
obligated
to
do
so
if
building
finds
out
that
it's
outside
of
that
as
of
right
there's
a
minor
variance.
It
goes
to
this
committee
of
adjustments.
F
A
committee
of
adjustment
sends
us
the
application
we
go
out
and
look
at
the
site.
We
make
comments
and
at
that
point
we
make
clear
specific
comments.
That
say
we
agree
or
disagree.
Let's
assume
we
disagree.
We
make
that
comment
known
to
the
CFA.
So
again,
all
the
way
through
the
process,
the
applicant
is
informed
that
healthy
trees
will
be
denied
and
through
the
processes
through
process
flow.
So
to
answer
your
question,
they
are
given
that
opportunity
and
certainly
our
staff
do
identify
that
they're.
F
D
So
follow
up
through
you,
madam
chair,
there's
what
you
have
to
say
what
you
have
to
approve.
Maybe
it's
a
matter
of
training
more
than
than
actually
own
out
changing
the
policy
or
even
asking
for
a
change
the
Building
Code.
Are
we
allowed
to
train
that
that
to
be
proactive
and
preventative,
even
if
they
apply
saying
as
of
right,
I'm,
making
this
committee
of
adjustment
change
application
I'm,
making
this
change
to
my
property
and
I'll
protect
this
tree?
D
D
We
avoid
the
scenario
of
staff
having
to
go
through
a
tree
or
tree
removal
application
churning
its
way
all
the
way
through
council,
because
someone
thought
I'm,
just
gonna
roll
the
dice.
Can
we
go
beyond
the
places
where
we
have
to
tell
them
things
to
preventatively,
say
I
see
a
tree
here
just
in
case
you
were
thinking
of
later
on
asking
for
its
removal
can't.
Can
we
can
we
go
that
far
in
training.
F
Sure
you,
madam
chair,
absolutely
I,
think
part
of
our
ongoing
dialogue
is
consistent
with
ongoing
training.
So
certainly,
what
we'll
try
and
do
is
draft
something.
That's
a
little
bit
more
articulate
that
the
committee
of
adjustments
and
forestry
staff
are
all
saying
the
same
thing
to
the
applicant
and
certainly
I,
know
there's
ongoing
direction
for
us
to
continue
on
with
some
training
and
some
dialogue,
so
certainly
we'll
keep
that
into
our
process.
Thought.
D
Spoiled
four
joints
on
page
nine,
the
issue
of
whether
or
not
we
can
ever
take
the
city
of
Toronto
tree
protection
bylaws
and
attach
them
to
the
Building
Code
I'm
sort
of
unclear
about
the
comments
here.
The
city
can
make
a
request
I'm
unclear.
If,
however,
it
is
unclear
whether
the
ministry
will
agree
or
whether
this
change
would
result
in
improved
tree
protection
for
trees,
I
wonder
if
you
want
to
go
a
little
further
with
that.
D
E
To
the
acting
chief
building
inspector
who's
also,
here
I
believe.
The
comment
is
that
it's
not
clear
whether
or
not
the
ministry
would
actually
approve
adding
the
City
of
Toronto
poppy
tree
bylaw
as
applicable
law,
and
they
comment
with
respect
to
whether
or
not
it
would
make
that
much
of
a
difference
is
regardless
of
whether
or
not
the
tree
by
law
is
applicable
law.
If,
even
if
a
building
permit
is
issued,
the
applicant
still
has
to
comply
with
the
tree
bylaw.
D
So
they're
there
there
are
some
some
there's
some
technical
lack
of
clarity,
but
you
would
submit
I
think
that
that
if
we
were
to
be
able
to
attach
it
there,
there
are
lots
of
municipalities
in
Ontario
that
are
envious
of
our
tree
bylaws.
But
they
don't
want
to
take
the
political
risk.
If,
if
we
were
to
advocate
that
this
really
ought
to
be
attached
to
the
building
code
in
Ontario,
we
would
be
helping
those
cities
that
wish
they
had
this
in
place
and
doesn't,
when
you
elevate
it
to
the
point
of
Building
Code.
D
H
A
myriad
there's,
a
whole
list
of
them
private
tree
bylaws
and
city
tree
bylaws
are
not
listed
under
the
building
code
as
applicable
law
mmm-hmm.
The
city
has
asked
the
Ministry
of
Housing
and
municipal
affairs
in
the
past
to
consider
inclusion
of
city
tree
bylaws
as
potential
applicable
laws
as
part
of
the
regulations
in
the
Ontario
Building
Code.
However,
the
ministry
has
not
agreed
with
our
request
in
that
regard
and
has
decided
not
to
add
those
those
particular
bylaws
but
private
and
public
tree
bylaws
to
the
list
of
applicable
laws.
H
It
often
making
changes
to
the
building
code
such
as
this.
There
is
a
considerable
consultative
process
that
occurs.
I
know
that
has
occurred
and
know,
there's
been
discussions
on
this
and
at
this
point
in
time
the
province
is
not
interested
in
making
those
changes
that
doesn't
preclude
us
from
asking
again,
but
we
may
not
get
any
better
results
than
we
currently
have
in
the
past
last
committee
and
discussed
this.
The
issuance
of
a
building
permit
is
a
specific
approval
and
right
to
allow
construction
to
proceed.
H
Having
said
that,
there
are
a
myriad
of
other
bylaws
that
are
listed
that
are
applicable
that
aren't
related
to
the
building
permits,
so
just
because
someone
receives
a
building
permit
that
doesn't
allow
them
to
violate
other
by
laws
and
regulations
that
may
be
in
place
either
provincial
or
municipal
so,
and
that's
made
very
clear
through
the
process
to
our
clients.
Okay,.
I
Are
you
not
more
familiar
with
this
plan,
which
doesn't
show
a
single
tree
on
the
property
and
then
when
either
your
star,
for
my
staff,
looks
on
Google
Street
wow,
there's
an
enormous
tree
in
the
back
garden?
Are
you
coming
across
that
and
how
do
you
when
you
get
this,
or
do
you
get
this?
How
do
you
find
out
that
actually
is
a
big,
beautiful
tree
there?
What
steps
do
you
have
to
take
right
now.
J
Through
your
manager,
we
followed
the
same
process
that
councillor
dissent
is
outlined
initially,
where
we'll
look
online
and
we'll
see
what
we
can
find
that
we
have
some
mapping
tools
that
we
can
use
to
see
if
there
are
trees
and
the
property
or
other
issues
we'd
be
concerned
about,
we
also
have
each
of
these
applications
inspected.
So
if
we're
not
sure
or
there
appears
there
may
be
a
tree,
then
we
send
an
inspector
to
the
site
to
confirm
that,
so
we
can
provide
an
informed
opinion
there.
You.
I
F
May
can
I
just
add,
madam
chair.
That's
a
recent
process
change,
so
council
may
be
used
to
a
process
that
we
have
followed
two
years
ago
where
we
did
not
have
the
staff
through
the
wisdom
of
council.
You
helped
us
redirect
staff
realign
resources,
we've
applied
more
resources.
We
worked
with
the
committee
of
adjustments
and
legal
and
building
to
a
draft
of
sort
of
a
team.
So
now
today
we
hit
99%
of
those
applications
in
the
past.
F
I
You,
you
touched
on
it
a
little
bit.
Any
presentation
I
understand
that
recently,
for
the
first
time,
possibly
ever,
you
have
actually
gone
and
talked
to
the
members
of
committee
of
adjustment
and
given
them
some
workshop,
I
wouldn't
say,
educate
necessary,
but
give
them
an
a
workshop
on
the
private
tree.
Pile.
Is
that
correct
three.
J
Madam
chair,
that
is
correct.
In
2017,
I
went
and
met
with
members
of
the
committee
of
adjustment
panel
and
educated
them
on
the
city's
tree
bylaws
and
how
they
apply
to
the
decisions
that
they
make
and
just
to
make
them
aware
of
the
impact
of
their
decisions
on
trees
and
we're
hoping
that
that's
something
that
can
continue
in
future
and.
I
J
I
F
K
You,
madam
chair
I,
just
want
to
add
that
at
the
committee
of
adjustment,
one
of
the
priorities
of
the
last
year
so
and
certainly
going
into
2018,
is
the
ramping
up
of
training
for
the
panel
members.
In
fact,
as
what
was
referred
to
by
the
urban
forestry
staff,
we
held
an
all-day
workshop
last
year
and
and
one
of
the
items
was
urban
forestry.
K
Also
one
of
the
items
was
teal
at
when
we
had
Lord
the
chair
there
and
this
year
we're
trying
to
build
on
that
and
I
met
yesterday
with
all
TRCA
planning
staff
up
in
Bonn
at
their
at
their
head
office,
about
inviting
them
to
interface
with
all
the
see
of
a
panel
members,
so
that
we
can
get
better
decisions.
If
that's
the
right
word
out
of
the
cut
of
the
panel's,
more
informed
decisions
on
these
types
of
sensitivities.
K
I
I
L
K
I,
if
I
understand
the
question,
various
zone
categories
are
gonna,
have
different
regulations
that
apply
to
them
different
lot.
Coverage
limits,
different
setback
requirements
and
someone
can
come
in
today
and
it
happens
all
the
time
proposing,
in
this
case,
a
house
that
meets
all
the
zoning
requirements.
It's
within
the
limits
of
the
setback
right
below
the
lot
coverage
limit,
and
they
can
go
straight
for
building
permits.
L
So
if,
if
the
law
coverage
under
the
zoning
and
everything
is
0.6
and
the
current
house
is
0.4,
they
can
come
in,
have
it
at
point,
six
meet
the
height
requirement
have
to
go
through,
but
if
they
want
to
double
their
Lots
up,
what
they're,
building
on
the
law
to
two
times
or
whatever?
Now
they
have
to
go
to
the
committee
of
through.
L
H
It's
from
from
a
building
permit
perspective
right
in
terms
of
an
applicant
makes
an
application.
If
their
proposal
complies
with
the
zoning
bylaw
as
drafted
and
approved
by
council,
then
the
chief
and
building
official
is
obligated
to
use
a
building
permit
for
that
development
that
is
often
called
and
as
of
right
development.
If
the
proposal
requires
minor
variances
ie
in
some
regard
or
some
shape
but
doesn't
comply
with
the
zoning
bylaw,
then
approval
is
needed
by
the
committee
of
adjustment
in
in
that
process.
L
Not
going
to
figure
out
for
zoning
that
how
many
times
does
somebody
come
in
to
the
committee
of
adjustment
that
is
coming
up
only
to
their
legal
requirement
that
they
have
to
build
on
their
loss
in
a
residential
setting?
I
would
think
it
would
be
very
rare,
they're,
usually
increasing
its
significance.
L
There's
no
no
requirement
on
the
building
he's
showing
off
page
eight
there's
the
little
part.
That's
read
that
that
anyone
could
build
on
that.
That's
assuming
that
the
place
they
have
is
smaller
than
that.
So
I
would
say
how
many
people
actually
I,
guess
I'll
ask
urban
forestry.
This
would
not
be
very
common.
This
does
not
happen
very
often
you
don't
get
a
lot
of
people
coming
in
that
are
building
moving
up
to
an
as
of
right
building
through.
F
H
No,
no
with
respect
to
that,
we
get
no
numerous
applications
for
either
new
single-family
dwellings,
additions
and
renovations
to
properties
that
are
in
full
compliance
with
the
zoning
bylaws
that
are
issued
as
the
term
as
of
right
without
requiring
minor
variance
applications.
We
issue
approximately
you
know:
thirty
thousand
building
permit
applications
for
renovations,
in
addition,
and
only
a
small
fraction
of
those
go
to
go
to
community
of
adjustment.
Yes,.
K
Sir,
you,
madam
chair
to
add
to
that
last
year
we
received
4600
applications
of
the
committee
of
adjustment,
but
about
500
of
those
400
of
those
would
have
been
consent.
So
we're
talking
in
the
range
of
thirty-five
thirty-six
hundred
thirty-eight
hundred
applications
required
minor
variances.
As
Mario's
mentioned,
we
literally
get
tens
of
thousands
of
our
actual
applications
for
constructing
new
development.
L
G
L
You
could
let
us
know-
or
this
isn't
going
anywhere
I'd-
be
very
interested
to
know
that
number
and
how
many?
How
many
applications
are
there?
I
guess
you're
saying
that
in
different
community
council
areas,
there's
just
different
things
that
happen.
So
if
you're
gonna
build
something
in
a
dense
area
of
the
city,
you
might
run
into
a
tree
if
you're
going
to
build
something
up
in
a
less
dense
area,
and
you
have
a
large
lot,
you
probably
aren't
going
to
run
into
a
tree,
so
the
4,600
applications
do
we
have
any
idea
that
yeah
well?
K
K
You,
madam
chair,
we
do
have
a
rough
idea.
I
would
say
it's
rough,
but
about
one-third
or
less
of
applications
involve
some
form
of
review
that
relates
to
trees.
The
vast
majority
of
the
committee
of
adjustment
applications
do
not
involve
tree
issues.
As
mentioned
by
urban
designs
by
urban
forestry
staff.
They
may
do
810
letters
or
pieces
of
correspondence
to
the
committee
per
hearing.
Our
average
number
of
items
on
a
hearing
is
about
forty
forty-one,
so
it
gives
you
a
sense
of
how
many
or
what
representation
the
tree
issues
are.
Thank.
L
You
kind
of
interested
by
last
question
immunity,
council
area
and
if
I
could
get
that
information
that
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
to
understand
where
the
majority
of
notices
are
about
trees,
it's
in
the
city
based
on
the
number
of
applications
to
the
committee
of
adjustment.
So
how
could
I
get
that
on
through.
K
Your
madam
chair,
I,
could
probably
give
you
a
rough
idea
right
now
that
the
tree
issue
is
roughly
proportional
in
all
four
districts
in
terms
of
what
we
see
at
the
CMA
and
in
the
four
districts.
Our
breakdown
volume
is
roughly
around
35%
for
Toronto
nice,
jerk
district
30
to
33
percent
for
North
York
about
25%
of
all
our
applications
are
a
tobiko
york
and
about
12%
are
in
scarborough
and
roughly
for
each
of
those
districts.
We
see
proportionally
the
same
issues,
it's
just
relative
to
the
number
of
applications.
Thank
you
thank.
I
My
one
quick
question:
we
haven't
as
everybody,
we
have
an
election
coming
up
in
October
after
that
election,
City
Council
and
our
service
appointment
committee
for
not
correct,
will
be
looking
at
the
the
members
of
the
committee
of
adjustment.
Is
that
correct?
So
in
2019
we're
going
to
be
looking
at?
Who
will
be
our
new
members
on
committee
of
adjustment
through.
K
K
Haven't
been
myself
involved
in
the
process
in
the
past,
but
I
am
this
time
talking
to
the
CMO
and
the
public
appointments
office,
because
we
have
issues
with
in
terms
of
the
number
of
members
and
the
workload,
but
that's
a
review
that
that
the
CMO
primarily
leads
and
eventually
all
appointments
come
through
to
committee
and
council
and
certainly
with
the
C
of
a
they're
appointed
by
bylaw.
Eventually
so.
I
I
guess
what
I'm
wanting
to
do
is
I'm
wanting
to
add
to
the
committee
of
adjustment
and
hopefully
also
T,
lab,
that
one
of
the
criteria
is
to
get
on
the
panel.
Someone
has
to
have
experience
in
urban
forestry
environmental
planning
right
now.
There's
no
experience
of
that
type
required
to
sit
on
either
these
bill
either
these
panels,
because
we're
just
looking
at
built
form
so
I'm
gonna
be
putting
a
motion
forward
to
do
this.
You
don't
think
I
have
a
problem
asking
for
this
to
be
added
to
the
criteria.
K
A
You
very
much
all
right,
so
that's
it
for
questions
of
staff
and
we
have
I
know
counselor.
Just
that
we've
been
working
on
some
motions,
so
I
think
counselor
set.
Would
it's
probably
best
if
she
spoke
first,
she
has
a
bunch
of
motions.
Well,
actually
we
will
have
their
visiting
counselor
speak
first
and
then
bring
it
into
committee.
Thank.
L
You
I
have
just
on
the
ground,
noticed
a
number
of
changes.
If
I've
heard
this
right
today
and
we
do
deal
with
tree
issues
and
we
have
people
who
are
concerned
about
taking
trees
down
and
we
don't
allow
a
lot
of
trees
down
in
the
city.
But
the
one
thing
that
concerns
me
here
is
even
if
urban
forestry
says
that
design
impacts
a
healthy
tree
and
we
would
recommend
against
it.
Apparently
now,
if
that
is
approved,
there
is
an
automatic
tree.
L
Removal
associated
with
that
and
I
remember
Bridgepoint,
where
there
was
a
beautiful
silver
maple
for
the
rezoning
and
they
had
to
rezone
around
it.
To
maintain
that
tree,
we've
had
to
rezone
around
trees
and
Don
Mount,
but
it
doesn't
appear
to
me
that
that's
the
situation
any
longer
that
there
have
been
changes.
What
worries
me
with,
while
I'll
call
situation
number
two
where
I
would
come
in
have
a
drawing
urban
forestry
might
say
you
shouldn't
remove
that
tree
committee
of
adjustment
says
you
can
build
that,
and
that
requires
tree
removal.
L
L
I
can
then
get
an
approval
to
remove
the
tree
through
the
committee
of
adjustment,
even
though
I
couldn't
make
it
through
the
council
process,
which
is
to
apply
to
remove
the
tree
and
then
get
told
you
can't
and
then
appeal
it
to
community
council
and
then
still
get
told
you
can't
so
there's
a
bit
of
a
double
standard
here
around
those
private
trees.
That
I
actually
know
I'm
quite
concerned
about
that
and
I'm
concerned
for
people
that
are
just
following
the
rules
and
councillor
Carroll
said
in
North
York.
L
That
happens
where
people
come
in
with
the
design
not
to
build
something,
but
to
get
rid
of
a
tree.
They've
been
wanting
to
cut
down
or
more
than
one
tree
that
they've
wanted
to
cut
down
we're
showing
single
trees
on
these
designs.
You
could
have
five
trees
there,
but
once
the
committee
of
adjustment
says
you
can
build
that
deck,
you
can
extend
your
home.
That
number
of
feet
in
a
minor
variants.
That
means
you
can
take
those
trees
out.
You
never
have
to
build
something.
L
I
I
do
have
about
the
long
motion
and
before
I
actually
start
with
it.
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
want
to
thank
staff.
I
also
want
to
thank
Aranda,
who
saw
our
under
who's
here.
She's
volunteer
in
my
office,
she's,
studying
urban
planning
and
my
protege
Laura
is
studying
forestry
conservation.
So
I
put
the
two
ladies
onto
this
and
that's
why
we
have
so
many
motions,
I
think
a
fresh
pair
of
eyes
has
opened
our
eyes
to
several
things:
simple
things
we
can
do
so
I'm
going
to
go
through
these
individually.
I
I
also
just
want
to
say
that
at
our
meeting
the
chair
was
at
the
meeting.
Councillor
Glenda
bear
maker
was
at
the
meeting.
I
have
reached
out
to
Janet
from
leaf,
and
we
also
had
a
very
quick
conversation
with
councilor
Fillion
yesterday.
So
it's
been
a
lot
of
different
counselors
and
people
go
into
these
motions.
So,
first
of
all,
it's
a
very
simple
one,
basically
saying
that
we
should
be
providing
both
committee
of
adjustment
and
T
lab
of
the
most
up-to-date
city
policies.
I
I
What
I
was
just
asking
about
the
next
one
is
really
just
asking
that
when
we
are
replacing
our
city
committee
of
adjustment
members
and
our
t
lab
members,
but
someone
there,
one
of
the
criteria
should
be
urban
forestry,
environment
planning.
I'm,
not
saying
everyone
has
to
have
that
experience,
but
right
now
it's
things
like
planner,
something
to
do
with
the
built
form.
We
have
no
one
sitting
on
any
of
these
committees.
Understanding
the
tree
side
of
things.
The
next
one
is,
as
we've
heard,
it's
already
being
done.
I
I
just
wanted
to
put
it
in
a
motion,
so
when
Brian
leaves,
this
doesn't
fall
through
the
cracks
that
we
do
continue.
Educating
the
committee
of
adjustment
and
I'd
like
to
add
the
T
lab,
which
I
understand
we're
actually
already
starting.
So
that's
brilliant
I
do
have
concerns
about
as
of
right,
but
that's
something
I
believe
we
can't
actually
do
so
we're
looking
for
a
complete
application.
As
I
pointed
out.
This
is
an
application
we
see
quite
frequently
in
my
office
where
you
get
the
plan.
I
No
tree
mentioned
nowhere,
and
it's
up
to
my
staff
and
forestry
staff
to
go
on
Google
Street.
Thank
goodness
we
have
Google
Street
or
to
visit
the
site
to
actually
find
there
is
a
tree.
We
then
contact
forestry
and
say
you
know:
do
you
have
an
opinion
about
this?
We
believe
that
for
a
complete
application,
the
owner
should
complete
a
tree
declaration
form
which
says
yes
or
no.
We
have
trees
and
they
should
actually
provide
photographs
because
photographs
speak
a
thousand
words
whether
it's
a
twig
or
whether
it's
a
two,
the
old
oak
tree.
I
I
For
the
tree,
replacement
I
know
that
there
is
a
sort
of
a
two-year
mark
where
we
check
to
see
if
a
tree
is
still
healthy.
We
believe
some
of
the
responsibilities
put
should
be
put
back
actually
on
to
the
owner
and
the
person
who
planted
the
tree
and
therefore
we
should
send
a
photograph
to
forestry
just
showing
the
tree
is
alive
and
healthy
again,
trying
to
mean
that
forestry
doesn't
have
to
go
out
and
inspect
every
single
tree
which
is
being
planted
tree
protection
barrier.
I
We
are
asking
I
know
we're
asking
a
lot
we're
asking
other
city
departments
who
have
to
go
to
the
development
site
to
induce
some
inspection
to
actually
we'll
provide
them
with
a
sheet
explaining
what
a
tree
protection
should
be,
what
damage
to
a
tree
could
look
like
and
we
are
requesting
that
they
within
a
timely
fashion,
contact
3-1-1,
who
will
then
pass
it
to
urban
forestry
if
they
see
an
infraction
happening,
because
again,
forestry
doesn't
have
all
the
staff
to
go
and
check
every
single
development
site.
We
know
we
have
city
people
out
there.
I
Let's
work
together
to
protect
our
trees
very
quickly,
the
last
2-3
1
1.
We
want
them
to
have
the
instruction
the
if
a
resident
reports
that
something
is
happening
right
now
with
the
tree
protection
zone
with
a
backhoe
digging
up
the
tree
roots
is
usually
a
Friday
night,
a
Saturday
or
Sunday
that
the
resident
doesn't
get
the
message.
I
It
will
be
inspected
in
3-4
days
that
they
actually
that
urgent
matter
that
urgent
status
is
reported
to
the
part
of
the
forestry
staff
who
are
on
duty
and
then
finally,
a
very
simple
one,
which,
thanks
again
to
my
wonderful
young,
ladies
who
work
in
the
office,
help
me
in
my
office.
They
went
onto
the
city
website
where
you
can
apply
to
remove
a
tree
or
injure
a
tree
and
nowhere
was
information
about
replacing
trees.
So
it's
this
simple.
I
Let's
put
on
that
section
of
the
website,
so
you
go
in
to
apply
for
a
permit
to
enjoy,
remove
a
tree
and
there's
something
there
telling
you
about
how
you
can
replace
a
tree.
What
types
of
trees
that
is
on
a
different
part
of
a
city
website,
let's
put
them
onto
one,
makes
it
much
easier
and
it
also
shows
people
what
we
want
you
to
replace
the
tree
so
I
know
my
time
is
up.
I
think
I've
covered
every
single
item
off,
but
thank
you
everyone
for
all
your
work
on
this.
A
B
I'm
at
a
disadvantage
of
our
Robert's
Rules
process,
because
I
can't
ask
questions
of
staff
after
the
motion,
even
though
there
are
a
number
of
items
here
that
I
yeah
I
don't
know
enough
about.
Admittedly,
but
so
first
of
all
did
you
know
that?
Did
you
review
all
the
items
that
you're
moving
with
city
staff
and
what
was
what
was
their
take
on
on
each
of
the
items
so.
I
Yes,
we
did
review
all
of
these
with
with
forestry
clerks
help,
us
put
it
into
a
motion
format.
We
have
removed
some,
we
had,
we
had
many
many
more
motions
and
we
have
removed
some
because
it
wasn't
feasible
and
we
were
not
looking
to
open
up
the
private
tree
bylaw.
We
were
just
looking
at
making
protecting
trees
using
all
the
different
methods
we
could
come
up
with,
and
some
simple
things,
as
you
see
like
having
someone
sitting
on
these
appeal
bodies
who
understand
trees
well
on.
B
That
being
said,
though,
practically
the
way
you
wrote
it,
the
city's
City
Council
amending
qualification.
The
committee
of
adjustment
in
Toronto,
local
appeal
body
members
to
include
knowledge
of
and
background
in
and
that
that's
where
I
include
knowledge
of
I
think
is
completely
reasonable
background.
B
In
should
would
that
be
inferred
that
they
have
a
degree
in
or
what
does
that
mean,
because
the
only
the
only
concern
I
have
is
that
we
would,
by
even
with
a
well-meaning
request
or
direction,
we
would
be
restricting
the
the
pool
so
so
tight
unless,
of
course,
all
of
these
environmental
planning
students
are
willing
to
put
up
their
hand
to
be
on
our
committee
of
adjustment,
but
it
just
may
not
be
practical
and
I.
Just
wonder.
I
When
people
apply
for
our
boards
now
we
have
criteria
which
we're
looking
for
yeah.
It
doesn't
mean
that
all
of
them
have
to
have
a
degree.
They
could
just
have
knowledge
of
so
I
wanted
to
put
it
out
there
that,
instead
of
you
having
to
have
be
a
planner
or
transportation
or
those
this
is
an
experience
could
be,
as
you
say,
could
be
knowledge
of
oh
I
guess
we
could
add,
and
all.
B
It's
it.
It
says
basically,
that
that
that
every
one
of
them
must
have
that
background
and
I
just
asked
you
I,
guess
my
question
to
you
is,
and
you
don't
do
it
this
second,
you
can
do
it
will
others
talk.
Maybe
we
could
work
on
wording
that
can
have
it
as
something
that
is
a
priority
to
us,
but
doesn't
restrict
it
to
only
those
who
may
have
a
degree
aka
background
in
you.
I
D
I
D
Did
I
just
want
to
just
to
let
folks
know
the
the
other
wording
that
I
that
I
added
to
councilor
descents
motion
was
in
seven
in
terms
of
because
most
residents,
when
they
see
the
backhoe
destroying
a
tree,
that's
supposed
to
be
being
protected.
They've
owned
three
one,
one
and
so
I've
put
at
the
end
of
the
sentence
with
urgent
status
because
it
kind
of
bumps
up
what
three
one
one
does
three
one
one
saying:
I'm
gonna
notify
forestry
means
I'm
going
to
send
an
email
to
the
right
address.
D
D
D
D
We
were
looking
at
at
really
entirely
losing
our
tree
canopy,
especially
in
the
inner
suburbs,
where
I
represent
in
in
old
North
York.
The
the
policy
at
that
time
was
by
a
subdivision
size,
piece
of
land.
From
from
someone
in
the
Argus
corporation,
most
subdivisions
started
that
way
in
North,
York
clear-cut
it
build
on
it,
then
throw
in
a
bunch
of
trees
after
the
fact.
So
all
the
trees
are
now
the
same
age
there.
D
Their
end
of
life
is
at
the
same
time,
and
the
storm
can
just
decimate
a
whole
street,
and
so
we
have
to.
We
have
to
have
a
different
approach
and
we're
catching
up
to
that
other
major
cities
about
the
same
problems.
Chicago
and
such
I
had
to
worry
about
this,
because
it's
not
a
popular
bylaw
residents
didn't
want
to
pass
the
the
tree
bylaw
and
in
the
in
the
state.
D
In
the
span
of
about
18
months,
we
were,
we
were
asking
people
to
to
give
up
control
of
what
happens
to
trees
in
their
backyards
too
into
the
city
and
allow
us
to
legislate
that
and
within
the
same
18
months,
we
said
we're
also
going
to
start
to
legislate
whether
or
not
you
can
actually
use
insecticides
on
your
line
and
so
that
the
Clarion
cry
it's.
My
property
began.
D
No,
it's
our
environment
and
that's
why
we're
talking
about
this
in
this
committee
and
not
planning
a
growth?
It
is
our
environment.
You
are
part
of
a
society,
and
so
is
your
you're
a
little
patch
of
land,
and
that's
why
we
have
to
in
order
to
protect
that
environment
we
need.
We
need
legislative
control
on
your
little
private
property.
A
resident
said
to
me.
You
can't
tell
me
what
to
do
on
my
property.
What
do
you
know
about
the
environment?
D
What
do
you
know
about
cancer
I've
had
cancer
four
times,
and
that
was
when
I
got
really
brave
about
my
environmental
votes.
Yes,
I
need
to
save
this
man.
Who's
had
cancer
four
times
from
the
fifth
cancer,
no
pesticides
and
we're
saving
your
trees,
because
we
need
some
clean
air
for
you,
buddy
and
and
have
not
looked
back
from
those
votes
and
council
in
that
time
has
become
incredibly
courageous,
whether
you
are
left
or
right
or
purple,
with
very
few
exceptions.
I
could
go
so
far
today,
with
two
exceptions.
D
D
So
we
that's
what
today
is
about.
We
have
to
get
to
the
point
where
the
minute
you
apply,
the
counter
staff
are
reflecting
the
environmental
commitment
and
politics
of
this.
This
legislative
body,
I,
have
some
comfort
from
the
report.
Councillor
do
sets
motion,
gives
me
more
comfort
and
that's
why
I'm
supporting
all
of
the
above
thanks,
madam
Speaker,
thank.
B
Based
on
just
staff
advice
on
just
how
to
how
to
structure
that
in
the
way
that
that
helps
and
and
and
really
personally,
I
I
wish,
I
didn't
have
to
actually
move
that
amendment.
Because
I,
like
the
idea
and
I
also
you
know
I
would
add
I
would
add.
Urban
planning
I
would
add
another
a
number
of
quality
of
qualifications.
To
that
I'm.
Sorry
Shelley
did
you
do.
B
For
example,
when
we
were
elected
by
our
constituents,
we've
become
at
least
pretend
experts
on
many
things
that
we
didn't
know
before.
So
that
being
said,
though,
there's
a
number
of
recommendations
here
that
I
think
are
incredibly
helpful
and
I
want
to
acknowledge.
Councillor
do
set
in
particular
along
with
so
many
counselors,
but
in
particular
every
time.
This
is
for
the
audience's
knowledge
to
every
time
a
matter
of
tree
protection
comes
up
or
there's
a
concern.
That's
a
recommendation
from
a
community
council
about
removing
a
tree.
B
Councillor
just
said
is
the
first
person
to
stand
up
and
move
that
we
protected,
and
you
know
what
I
don't
know
if
you're,
officially
or
unofficially,
but
certainly
our
tree
advocate
in
the
City
of
Toronto
and
I,
want
to
acknowledge
that
that
being
said,
I
really
just
want
to
stop
there
and
just
explain
sir,
the
rationale
for
that
change
over,
although
I
support
the
motion
and
I
want
to.
You
know,
think
counselor
do
said
again
for
her
leadership.
Inc.
A
D
I
think
I
think
the
clerk
is
showing
that
the
Peel
body
panels
III
made
a
slight
change.
The
difficulty
is,
we
were
coming
up
with
wording
while
you
were
talking
about
wording,
but
but
the
the
motion
that
you
just
moved
still
could
be
interpreted
by
clerks
later
on
when
we're
not
in
the
room,
as
you
mean
every
single
member,
what
we
want
to
make
sure
is
that
this
is
contained
in
the
panel
that
I
think
that
was
the
intent
of
your
motion.
That's.
D
D
B
D
D
E
C
Think
we've
kind
of
intentionally
made
this
more
complicated
than
it
is
so
I'm.
Looking
at
the
qualifications
for
the
committee
of
adjustment,
not
Public
Appointments
process
and
the
way
it's
written,
the
only
skill
we
say
each
panel
needs
is
actually
administrative
and
public
speaking
skills
for
the
chair.
So
we
don't.
We
don't
say
specifically,
you
need
to
have
someone
with
planning
or
law
legal
or
government.
Well,
what
the
language
is
on.
The
city's
website
is
under
the
qualifications.
C
C
A
A
The
city
they
know
everything
they
run
it.
We
we
take
credit,
but
they
actually
do
it.
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
this
is.
This
is
long
overdue.
It's
great!
It's
a
very
fulsome
conversation.
We've
had
many
meetings
with
staff
have
been
very
helpful
and
counselor
do
sets
in
turn
in
or
in
Protege,
where
it's
a
great
hands-on,
experiential
learning
for
them.
A
But
some
put
this
in
your
your
portfolio
for
helping
us
out
it's
trees,
nothing
unites
people,
I
think
in
the
world,
except
like
food
and
trees
and
most
people,
and
it's
a
big
concern
for
for
our
city.
We
are
sitting
with
Dontos
the
city
within
the
park
it
is
every
councillor
is
primarily
mostly
worried
about
their
trees
and
the
tree
canopy
as
as
the
staff
as
our
residents.
A
So
we
we
get
frustrated
when
we
do
see
backhoes
parked
in
the
tree
protection
zones
or
known
for
tree
protection
zones
or
debris
from
construction
in
the
tree
protection
zones,
so
we're
thrilled
that
departments
are
working
together
on
that
and
I
would
just
say
one
of
our
motions
that
we
did
have
in
here.
That's
not
in
here
now
and
I
would
just
encourage
counts,
as
maybe
you
do.
A
So
he
was
trying
to
move
for
a
forty
eight
to
one
where
you
show
that's
what
extreme,
although
it's
for
the
trees,
so
just
consider
that
and
that's
up
to
your
discretion.
So
having
said
that,
thank
you
again
to
Kelso
Doucet
for
all
this
and
and
debería
and
the
others
as
well
all
in
favor
of
councillor
to
set
its
motion
opposed
that
carries
and
the
item
as
amended.
One
favor
opposed
that
carries.
Thank
you
so
much.
I
have
number
one
done
item
number
two.
A
A
Alright
and
for
the
students,
so
the
deputies
have
five
minutes
to
speak,
and
then
we
can
ask
them
questions
and
then
we
bring
it
into
committee
and
then
we
that's
the
end
of
their
speaking
time.
So
if
you
want
to
speak
on
this
item,
you
might
be
able
to
afterwards
Erin
Freeman,
all
right
you've
been
here
before
welcome.
M
You
good
morning,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee,
and
thanks
again
for
providing
me
with
the
opportunity
to
address
this
issue.
I'll
focus
my
brief
remarks
on
the
issues
that
have
been
raised
since
your
last
meeting
to
avoid
duplication
and
specifically
with
regard
to
the
the
staff
report
that's
been
tabled
before
you.
We
note
that
the
that,
in
the
report,
there
is
a
commitment
that
staff
will
issue
a
competitive
call
for
the
provision
of
fuel,
including
biodiesel,
with
a
January
1
start.
M
First
and
most
importantly,
the
above
wording
from
the
report
appears
to
be
a
call
for
all
fuel
types,
so
the
language
in
the
report
being
provision
of
fuel,
including
biodiesel.
This
would
presumably
include
providing
regular
diesel.
Such
an
outcome
would,
of
course,
provide
no
environmental
benefit
over
the
existing
contract.
Our
recommendation,
which
I
believe
reflects
the
discussion
in
this
committee,
as
well
as
the
objects
of
transform
tio,
would
be
for
the
RFP
to
set
a
requirement
to
supply
a
minimum
of
b20
biodiesel
as
the
fuel
type
that
the
city
will
use.
M
There
could
be
a
provision
to
allow
for
a
lower
blend,
for
example
b10
for
the
four
coldest
winter
months.
I
would
note,
however,
that
minnesota,
which
has
colder
winter
temperatures
than
toronto,
uses
b
10
year
round
and
we'll
be
moving
to
be
20
this
year.
Many
other
communities
that
we
talked
about
last
time,
York,
Region,
Guelph,
Kingston,
Ottawa
use
a
B,
20
blend
or
in
the
case
of
Ottawa,
are
putting
out
an
RFP
for
a
Butte
20
blend.
M
But
if
you
did
want
to
be
cautious,
that's
certainly
one
option
would
be
to
go
to
the
B
10
for
the
four
cold
winter
months
to
ensure
maximum
value
for
the
city
and
to
address
staff
concerns
about
per
litre
price.
The
contract
could
specify
a
ceiling
price
set
at
the
price
level
in
the
current
fixed
price
contract
for
diesel.
This
would
ensure
that
the
city
would
not
have
to
pay
more
than
they
currently
do
for
fuel.
This
should
fully
address
the
staff
concerns
regarding
the
per
litre.
M
M
This
has
been
easily
solved
by
increasing
the
number
of
filter
changes
at
the
initial
stage
when
existing
vehicles
first
switched
to
biodiesel.
So
you'll
recall
that
the
issue
here
is
that
the
when
you
start
using
biodiesel
and
an
existing
engine,
it
has
it
essentially,
in
effect
cleans
the
engine
components
the
soot
comes
out,
and
more
of
that
is
captured
by
the
by
the
filters.
M
This
does
have
a
modest
effect
on
improving
vehicle
performance,
but
it
does
have
that
impact
where
you
have
to
change
the
filters
a
little
bit
more
often
with
regard
to
infrastructure
and
storage
requirements.
This
is
not
an
issue
that
has
come
up
in
other
jurisdictions
that
use
biodiesel,
as
noted
by
Transport.
Canada,
biodiesel
requires
no
new
infrastructure
investments.
Other
than
either
at
the
fueling
facility
or
in
the
vehicle,
finally,
staff
should
confirm
that
the
competitive
call
will
be
an
RFP
process
to
supply
biodiesel
rather
than
an
RFI,
RFQ,
eoi
or
other
process.
M
That's
only
designed
to
determine
what
the
state
of
the
market
is
so
in
conclusion
to
address
staff
concerns
identified
in
the
report
and
ensure
that
this
that
the
procurement
process
is
fair
and
delivers
value
for
the
city.
We
recommend
that
the
committee
pass
a
motion
that
includes
the
following
provisions.
M
Criteria-
and
this
is
this-
is
in
all
of
this-
is
in
my
written
submission,
so
you'll
you'll
have
this
in
front
of
you.
Criteria
for
a
request
for
proposals
to
deliver
diesel
fuel
for
the
city
of
Toronto's
fleet
shall
specify
that
b20
biodiesel
shall
generally
be
the
fuel
supplied
under
the
contract
with
b10
to
be
supplied
in
the
four
coldest
months
of
the
year.
The
RFP
RFP
shall
further
specify
a
ceiling
price
set
at
the
price
level
in
the
city's
current
fixed
price
contract
for
diesel.
M
I
would
also
note
that
I've
tabled
a
number
of
documents
with
the
committee.
One
of
those
addresses
the
question
that's
been
raised
in
another
submission
about
engines
which
engines
are
covered.
It's
an
OEM
list
of
approved
brands
and
you'll
see.
The
majority
of
the
brands
on
the
market
are
covered
are
warrantied,
it
would
not,
in
other
words,
be
a
b20
would
not
affect
the
warranty
for
those
vehicles
and
you'll
recognize
many
of
the
major
brand
names
on
the
market.
That
list
is
actually
two
years
old.
M
It's
I
can
get
you
an
updated
list
which
would
be
much
larger,
somewhat
larger
and
the
Transport
Canada
study
that
I
mentioned
as
well
as
some
other
data
on
on
biodiesel
is
included
in
the
submission.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
present
before
you
today
and
I
would
welcome
their
questions.
M
N
A
N
Morning,
my
name
is
Don
Monroe
and
I'm,
the
national
manager
of
fuel
quality
and
regulatory
affairs
for
your
Suncor
Energy.
Your
current
fuel
supplier
I,
am
son
Coors
voting
member
on
the
fuel
committee
of
C
GSB.
This
is
a
government-backed
organization
that
had
sets
consensus
standards
and
a
number
of
products,
including
fuels
I'm
here
today
to
provide
you
with
some
additional
information
on
biodiesel
blends.
In
response
to
the
committee's
recent
request.
N
These
are
a
viable
fuel
alternative
for
the
city.
However,
if
not
sourced
handled
carefully,
they
can
be
proved
to
be
costly
and
disruptive
to
your
operations.
It's
imperative
that
you
move
forward
with
exploring
this
fuel
alternative,
you
select
a
supplier
who
will
responsibly
source
blend,
manage
the
product,
so
you
can
maximize
the
benefits,
but
minimize
your
risk.
N
Suncor
started
blending
biodiesel
in
2005
here
in
Toronto
was
not
a
fact.
We
now
blend
over
a
hundred
million
litres
a
year
across
the
country,
including
geographies
as
far
north
as
Fort
McMurray.
We
have
a
thorough
understanding
of
the
properties,
customer
geographical
challenges
and,
most
importantly,
the
mitigation
tactics
required
to
ensure
optimal
operability.
N
Biodiesel
quality
is
dependent
on
feedstock
manufacturing
facilities
and
each
single
batch
producing
biodiesel
from
any
triglyceride
feedstock
which
story
canola
oil
corn
oil
is
a
relatively
simple
process.
The
challenge
lies
in
making
a
biodiesel
that
doesn't
cause
quality
or
operational
issues.
There
is
an
American
standard,
an
ASTM
standard
which
I
consider
the
minimum
specification
that
for
something
you
could
call
biodiesel,
then
there's
a
Canadian
standard
in
the
CGS
B
standard
designed
to
meet
the
Canadian
market
and
then,
above
and
beyond
that
Suncor
has
its
own
standard,
which
is
more
stringent.
N
In
addition,
after
Suncor
Suncor
qualifies
the
supplier,
we
send
our
quality
audit
team
out
to
audit
the
facility,
their
processes
and
their
quality
management
system
to
ensure
we're
satisfied
with
their
commitment
to
providing
a
high
quality
product.
Furthermore,
once
delivery
start,
we
do
random
samples
to
make
sure
they're
meeting
our
qualifications.
N
N
Suncor
has
overseen
the
transition
of
countless
sites
to
biodiesel
blends
and
very
familiar
with
the
steps
should
be
taken
to
optimize
to
minimize
the
operational
difficulties
during
this
transition.
There
are
some
one-time
requirements
that
are
you
or
will
need
to
do,
such
as
tank
inspection,
cleaning
of
required
change
in
filter
on
your
dispensing
equipment.
There
are
also
some
changes
to
equipment
maintenance
schedules
that
need
to
be
incorporated,
including
more
frequent
oil
changes
and
fuel
filter
changes.
One
thing
I
want
to
emphasize
here:
biodiesel
blends
should
never
be
used
in
a
backup
generator.
N
N
So
three
things
to
look
for
when
you're,
when
you're
thinking
about
biodiesel,
these
feedstocks,
canola
and
soil
feedstocks
are
preferred,
even
though
biodiesel
made
from
used
grease
or
animal
renderings
may
be
less
expensive,
but
they
do
tend
to
gel
well
above
zero
Celsius
and
cause
low
temperature
off
of
those
issues.
Injection
blooded
product.
This
ensures
a
homogeneous
product
in
the
distribution
for
biodiesel.
Within
your
truck,
you
don't
end
up
with
pockets
of
the
30
in
the
40
and
B
zero
splash,
blended
product,
that's
where
one
product
is
blended,
is
loaded
on
the
truck.
N
Then
the
next
product
is
loaded
on
the
truck
and
and
jiggle
mixed
as
its
hat
haphazardly.
Driven
do
ever
it's
being
delivered,
although
if
you
don't
fix
the
bottles,
maybe
it'll
mix
more
I,
don't
know
that's
not
a
good
idea
and
does
not
meet
CGS,
be
best
practices,
an
operational
support.
You
need
a
supplier
who
actively
manages
the
product.
Suncor
actively
manages
the
biodiesel
blend
recipe
every
two
weeks
to
ensure
cold-weather
opera
building.
In
summary,
biodiesel
is
not
a
commodity
and
not
all
buys
these
are
blends
are
created
equal.
N
The
various
suppliers
have
vastly
different
risk
tolerances
to
the
potential
operational
issues
to
mitigate
costly
risk
and
optimize.
An
operational
efficiency
make
sure
you
choose
an
experienced
responsible
and
responsive
supplier
on
the
management
of
this
product.
I've
included
some
links
on
the
back
there,
the
CGS
B
standards
for
100%
biodiesel,
blends
of
b12
b5
and
blends
b5
to
be
20
that
are
all
met
with
all
the
biodiesel
producers,
the
fuel
producers,
governments
and
users
all
agreed
on
that
consensus
standard.
Thank
you.
Thank.
H
N
N
Think
you've
got
to
remember.
Biodiesel
is
not
biodiesel
with
five
percent
priorities.
So
when
you
talk
about
how
environmentally
friendly
it
is,
are
we
talking
from
the
lifecycle
analysis
compared
to
yours?
Well,
I'm,
saying
I'm:
it's
you
can
we
can
supply
you
with
five
percent
biodiesel
as
well?
If
that's
what
you're
looking
for
right
now,
we
do
not
meet
the
regulation
in
Ontario
solely
on
the
use
of
biodiesel.
We
use.
N
B
Clay,
thank
you.
You
claimed
earlier
that
we'd
find
that
it
would
become
very
costly
if
counsel
specifically
directed
staff,
that
the
tender
have
a
clear
cap
so
that
we
contain
the
costs
and
frankly,
we
just
don't
buy
anything,
that's
more
costly
than
we
wanted
to
be.
How,
then,
would
it
be
become?
How
would
it
become
more
costly
than
if
we've
already
restricted
what
the
cost
could
be?
I
think.
N
You
misunderstood
my
statement.
I
said
that
they,
if
you
do
not
buy
biodiesel
from
a
supplier
who
is
conscientious,
buying
a
very
good
product
blending
and
properly
and
delivering
it
properly.
Then
you
could
end
up
with
costly
operational
issues.
Okay,
I
didn't
say
it
was
costing
you
anymore.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
N
Regular
regulation
in
Ontario
requires
a
4%
reduction,
a
four
percent
renewable
content,
with
a
70%
reduction
in
C
I
of
that
four
percent.
So
that's
what
we're
we,
the
regulation,
we
need
to
meet
in
Ontario.
There's
a
federal
regulation
as
well
requires
two
percent
renewable
fuel,
but
that
is
less
obviously
than
the
enteric
one.
So
it's
an
Ontario
one
we
meet
and
so.
C
N
On
a
world
wheels
basis
and
assuming
you're
going
to
use
the
Ontario
gh
genius,
which
is
the
method,
it's
a
model
that
tells
you
how
much
of
your
carbon
intensive
action
is
biodiesels
around.
If
you
buy,
if
you
buy
tallow
or
animal
renderings,
you
can
get
as
low
as
four
grams
per
mega
Joule,
but
on
soy
or
canola,
it's
around
between
ten
and
fifteen
mega
joules
grams
per
mega
Joule
and
diesel
fuels
about
87
grams
per
mega
Joule.
So.
N
Can
give
you
two
things?
One,
the
the
life
cycle
analysis
basically
says
when
you
produce
the
fuel,
you
use
this
much
energy
and
then,
when
you
burn
the
fuel
you
give
this
much
co2
off.
It's
the
feedstock.
That
gets
you
the
difference
yeah.
So
the
feedstock
for
the
product
used
in
Toronto
comes
from
North
Dakota.
So
when
you
grow
the
soybeans
in
North
Dakota,
you
absorb
the
co2,
that's
where
the
that's,
where
the
reduction
happened
and
we
bring
it
here,
but
we
tend
to
think
the
co2
really
it's
kind
of
funny.
C
N
Times
as
much
five
times
my
twenty
times
four
times
as
much
and
I
can't
do
that.
Okay
now
one
thing
I
want
to
be
careful.
That
I
didn't
mention
that
the
5%
is
what
we
give
5%
is
what
we
give
across-the-board
and
Winnipeg
in
Edmonton,
and
the
only
place
we
do
it
year
round
is
Vancouver.
So
when
everybody
brings
up
about
Minnesota
and
they're,
doing
which
they're
not
they're
only
doing
10%
and
5%
in
the
winter,
but
nevertheless
it
doesn't
really
make
any
difference.
N
The
point
is:
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
things
they
don't
have
to
do.
The
number
one
diesel
which
is
your
wind,
gives
you
more
use
in
your
winter,
does
not
require
any
bio
in
it.
So
there's
a
whole
section
that
diesel
that
doesn't
need
any
and
then
mines
don't
need
it
and
nuclear's.
Don't
plants,
no
need
it,
and
emergency
equipment
have
that
some
restrict
our
leniency.
A
N
First
of
all,
I
would
say
that's
the
reason
for
CGS
be
the
Canadian
general
standards
boards
we
set
a
Canadian
standard
and
that's
the
level
you
should
meet
to
be
I
would
think
it's,
but
it's
not
in
law.
You
don't
need
to
meet
that
standard,
but
it
is
we're
a
voting
member
and
therefore
we
do
need
it,
but
there's
nothing
says
you
have
to
meet
it,
but
what
I'm
referring?
A
N
My
suggestion
you
can
write
your
RFP
anywhere
you
want,
but
I
would
put
CJ's
V
in
him.
There
is
a
standard.
A
Canadian
standard
for
the
product.
I
would
include
that
in
your
RFP.
The
the
standard
also
goes
on
to
things
like
low-temperature
operability.
So
if
you're
trying
to
blend
the
b10
in
the
middle
of
winter,
if
you're
just
not
going
to
be
able
to
meet
that
C
just
be
standard.
A
N
It's
it's
a
farm
subsidy
there's
a
lot
of
soybeans
growing
in
Minnesota,
and
it's
there
to
provide
the
input
for
the
soybean
industry.
The
soybean
industry
gets
about
63
cents,
a
bushel
more
for
their
for
their
product
there
because
of
the
bio.
These
are
regulation
so
that
that
is
that's
the
driving
factor
before
it.
N
And
if
you
go
on
to
the
website
and
even
under
the
soybean
growers
association,
it
has
a
section
telling
you
how
to
work
with
the
with
the
b5
biodiesel
in
the
middle
of
winter
and
when
you
get
gelling
issues
to
cut
it
with
50%,
kerosene
and
that
will
solve
your
problem
on
Ontario.
We
don't
make
kerosene,
so
you're
not
gonna,
be
able
to
find
that
to
cut
the
product
with
here,
but
that's
their
answer
and
that's
the
people
that
are
benefiting
from
it.
N
I've
included
a
link
in
the
in
my
presentation
as
a
letter
that
was
said
to
the
Minister
are
the
agricultural
report
to
the
legislature,
and
it
talks
about
things
that
the
city
had
to
do
to
try
to
use
the
b5
biodiesel
in
the
winter
and
there's
a
lot
of
recommendations
in
there,
including
putting
desiccant
filters
on
all
of
your
tankage,
and
they
still
had
gelling
issues,
so
they
had
to
blend
it
with
50%
Carroll.
These
things
never
seem
to
get
up
and
people
talking
about
Minnesota
its
Minnesota
can
do
this.
N
Minnesota
can
do
that,
but
the
truth
of
the
matter
is
Minnesota
has
lots
of
problems
matter
of
fact,
and
the
warranties
we
talked
about.
Warranties
mercedes-benz
has
made
an
announcement,
they're
no
longer
gonna
put
diesel
cars
into
Minnesota.
It's
because
they
can't
keep
up
with
the
warranties
okay.
D
Yes,
so
so
we've
had
these
representatives
coming
Nesby
to
us
today,
I'm
wondering
if
you
want
to
go
back
to
the
to
the
first
step
you
didn't.
Our
report
speaks
of
getting
to
be
20,
but
but
getting
there
by
first
receiving
this
study
from
U
of
T,
but
the
first
step
you
didn't
quoted
some
studies.
It
looks
like
there.
There
is
research
already
out
there.
D
So
my
question
is
this:
if
we
wanted
to
move
ahead
now,
if
we
wanted
to
because
it's
because
the
procurement
is
coming,
we
wanted
to
give
you
that
guideline
in
advance
of
the
study.
Could
we
still
get
the
study,
because
it
would
help
us
with
address
some
of
the
issues,
but
could
we
also
include
in
the
RFP
document
that
some
of
the
the
operational
issues
that
that
are,
you
know
freely
disclosed
by
both
representatives?
Could
we
include
in
the
RFP
that
you
have
to
include
your
your
the
ways
you
plan
to
address
those
issues.
O
There
would
be
a
six
million
dollar
cost
to
the
city,
as
touched
on
in
the
first
speakers,
information
that
he
provided,
he
mentioned
under
lessons
learned:
there's
biodiesel
storage
as
a
consideration
above-ground
tanks,
most
of
the
city's
fuel
tanks,
are
above-ground
storage.
So
that's
a
factor,
cleaning,
fuel
storage,
tanks
prior
to
filling
with
biodiesel.
That's
a
factor!
Brampton
Transit
experienced
plugging
and
gelling
of
fuel
filters
in
a
group
like
Toronto
Transit
Commission.
That's
a
significant
factor.
Filter
changes
ensuring
that
we
don't
have
buses
that
aren't
running.
D
Is
it
possible
to
to
signal
for
the
community
that
that
that
b20
is
our
goal,
that
the
the
tender
will
go
out
with
this
study
once
completed,
so
that
so
that
we'll
be
able
to
put
language
in
the
tender
document
that
addresses
the
issues
raised,
but
signal
for
them?
Now
that's
what
they
should
be
working
on
on
on
bidding
on.
Certainly.
O
So
they
last
called
the
current
contract
already
has
provisions
for
biodiesel
from
b12b
100,
so
one
to
a
hundred
percent,
and
so
the
provisions
are
already
there.
As
of
the
city's
green
fleet
plan,
which
is
encompasses
awfully,
we
are
moving
above
the
Ontario
standard
that
was
referenced
to
be
five
by
this
summer.
That's
through
a
lot
of
discussions
with
Toronto
Transit,
Commission
police,
fire
paramedics,
the
city's
fleets
we've
come
to
an
agreement
that,
yes,
we
can
go
to
that
level.
C
Thank
you-
and
this
is
just
to
the
last
sentence
on
page
three-
that
that
dole
issue
will
issue
a
competitive
call
for
the
provisions
of
fuel,
including
biofuel,
with
a
Jan
1
9
2019
start
date.
So
that
is,
is
the
intent
to
go
all
the
maintain
the
existing
b5
as
an
option
in
that
tender,
rather
than
rather
than
ensure
that
we
have
the
higher
quality
or
they,
the
fuel,
with
the
lower
GHG.
O
Three,
madam
chair
incorrect
me.
If
I
misunderstood
your
question,
yes,
so
that
the
new
call
will
include
biofuel
options,
we
may
also
want
to
look
at
ethanol,
for
instance,
which
is
another
biofuel
option.
I
specifically
stated
biodiesel,
because
that
was
the
question
at
committee
today,
so
that
it
was
clear
that
yes,
biodiesel,
but.
C
O
Yes,
there
will
be,
there
will
be
the
regular
fuel
so
unleaded
gasoline
diesel
dyed
diesel,
which
is
for
off-road
equipment
as
well
as
regular
diesel
and
biodiesel
biofuel,
and
from
that
there
are
actually
two
and
I
believe
the
speakers
touched
on
it.
There
are
actually
two
levels
of
biodiesel:
there's
the
regular
biodiesel
and
now
what
is
becoming
more
common,
which
hydrogenation
derived
biodiesel
I'm,
not
aware
of
any
production
within
Canada,
the
physical
properties
of
that
diesel
are
more
akin
to
diesel
fuel
and
that
you
don't
have
the
same.
O
O
C
O
E
The
chair,
just
because
of
the
election
year
yeah,
the
goal
will
be
to
try
to
get
to
the
last
government
management
before
the
break.
However,
if
we
can't
meet
that,
then
the
bid
award
channel
gets
extended
authorities
to
be
able
to
award
a
contract
over
20
million
dollars
so
that
the
timing
is
a
bit
of
a
concern
for
us,
but
we
know
that
we
could
get
a
contract
in
place
for
January
1st,
ok,.
A
A
You're,
okay,
with
that,
where
I
was
just
looking
at,
maybe
we
modify
under
a
b20.
Biodiesel
shall
generally
be
the
fuel
supplied
under
the
contract
with
those
be
tend
to
be
just
supplied
in
the
four
coldest
months
of
the
year.
Maybe
that's
B
five
to
be
ten
I,
don't
know
if
you're
we're
how
you're
comfortable
with
the
motion
you
know,
you'd
have
it
this
morning.
So.
O
Through
you,
madam
chair,
quite
honestly,
to
be
comfortable
with
the
motion,
I
am
referring
to
what
will
be
the
University
of
Toronto
study
and
the
facts
that
that
provides
so
whether
it
is
B
five
of
B
10,
B,
10
and
B
20
I
am
looking
for
the
fact-based
results
on
which
to
make
that
decision,
because
making
a
decision
based
on
what
may
have
worked
elsewhere.
It
could
result
in
operational
issues
b5.
We
are
absolutely
comfortable
with
today.
E
B
Madam
chair
I
think
you
know
what
we're
doing
we're
trying
to
push
you,
perhaps
beyond
your
comfort
level,
to
get
to
the
direction
that
we
believe
is
right.
At
the
same
time
that
we
be
responsible
to
be
obtuse
to
relevant
information
that
you
provided
us
with
respect
to
potential
cost
escalations
cited
by
U
of
T.
B
So
if
the
motion
itself
added
in
the
line
about
yeah
unless
operational
or
additional
cost
constraints,
prohibit
the
use
of
high
renewable
fuels,
does
that
allow
for
at
least
the
sort
of
the
kind
of
an
insurance
policy
there
that
we're
not
asking
you
to
do
something
that
that
will
end
up
being
the
wrong
decision?
But
but
but
does
it
send
you
the
message
clearly
that
we
want
you
to
work
to
arrive
at
the
destination
that
we
that
we
believe
we
need
to
achieve?
B
O
Madam
chair
yeah
I
completely
understand
where
you're
going
and
you've
touched
on
the
comfort
zone
you're
exactly
right,
I
b5.
There
is
absolutely
no
cost
to
the
city
to
increase
to
b5,
which
is
over
and
above
the
current
print.
You
refer
to
like
storage
beyond
that
again
operationally
I
need
the
facts
to
answer
that
question.
Truthfully
there's
assumption.
So,
if
the
one
speaker
mentioned
six
months,
we
absolutely
do
have
fuel
that
we
store
in
the
city's
parks
and
other
areas
where
it
may
be
in
the
tanks
for
more
than
six
months.
E
B
We're
but
back
to
my
initial
question
like
reading
the
motion
as
drafted,
does
this,
in
your
opinion,
find
that
balance
striking?
That
balance
of
saying
this
is
where
based
on
all
the
facts
and
that
we
know
to
be
true
today?
This
is
direction
we
want
to
go
in,
but
we
are
not
asking
you
to
sort
of
just
jump
out
the
plane
without
a
parachute,
and
if
you
come
back
to
us
and
say
that
there
are
genuine
operational
or
additional
costs
that
we
haven't
considered,
such
as
some
of
you've
cited
in
some.
B
E
The
chair,
I
think
the
issue
I
see
from
a
procurement
perspective
is
it
would
be
unclear
what
how
we
would
base
the
award
on,
because
if
we
do
not
understand
the
additional
cost
and
operational
impacts,
then
we
we
might
choose
to
base
the
award
on
the
b20
and
then
turn
around
and
say
we
have
all
these
operational
costs
impacts
and,
and
it
changes
it
may
change
who
might
have
one
like
I
that
produces
a
level
of
uncertainty
in
terms
of
how
we
would
decide
the
winner
of
the
contract
before
toward
the
contract.
Okay,
thank
you.
B
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B
We
must
always
make
fact-based
decisions,
and
it's
really
easy
to
do
that
when
the
facts
support
the
direction
that
you
always
want
to
go
in.
In
fact,
we
encourage
that,
certainly
in
politics,
but
it's
really
difficult
when
you
are
learning
facts
or
you
are
not
clear
about
the
facts
or
you
are
aware
that
there
are
facts
still
being
investigated
that
are
not
in
front
of
you.
That
may
actually
contradict
your
your
initial
or
your
your
your
conviction
where
you
want
to
go.
B
That's
where
you
struggle,
but
if
you're
honest
with
yourself
you
have,
you
cannot
be
obtuse
to
that
reality.
You
have
to
accept
it
to
be
able
to
inform
the
decision
you
make.
What
I
know
is
that
each
member
of
this
committee
wants
the
most
environmentally
friendly
option,
that
is,
that
is
unanimous
and
that
we
all
share
a
view
that
we
need
to
push
our
civil
service
as
I
said
earlier,
but
in
with
respect,
perhaps
outside
of
their
comfort
level,
to
achieve
a
destination
where
we
are
procuring.
B
That's
a
type
of
fuel
that
is
more
environmentally
friendly
than
what
we
have
now.
Eventually,
we
will
go
electric
and
eventually,
who
knows
what
technology
will
happen
in
the
world,
but
we're
not
there
yet
so
we've
got
to
deal
with
what
we
have
and
what
we
have
access
to.
So
we
were
ready
to
move
forward
with
the
motion
just
to
say,
do
it.
B
We
are
also
learning
that
there
are
some
facts
that
we
need
to
consider
to
make
sure
that
when
we
say
do
it
that
we
do
it
well
and
over
the
next
month,
I
know
that
there
are
some
of
us
led
by
our
chair,
who
want
to
arrive
at
the
kind
of
direction
that
will
achieve
our
goal.
That
will
move
forward
on
an
environmentally
friendly
option,
while
considering
all
the
contexts
that
we
need
to
consider
to
make
sure
that
when
we
do
it,
we
do
it
well,
but
I
want
to
put
staff
on
notice
and
councillor.
B
Layton's
initial
request
stands
that
you
know
this
is
where
we're
going
we're
asking
you
to
figure
out
how
to
get
there
in
the
right
way.
Where
there
are
road
bumps,
you
need
to
tell
us
and
you
are,
but
we
want.
We
want
to
consider
more
environmentally
friendly
options,
and
we
don't
want
to
just
here
why
the
status
quo
is
where
we're
going
to
be
forever
our
society.
It
would
be
very
different
if
we
didn't,
you
know,
consider
more
environmentally
friendly
options,
so
we
need
to
move
in
that
direction.
B
So
that
is
you
know,
that's
the
you
know
again,
respectful
notice
that
we
put
you
under
that.
We
want
to
move
in
that
direction,
but
we
want
to
work
with
you
over
the
next
month
to
make
sure
that
we,
don't
unintentionally
increase
costs
or
do
things
that
might
affect
operations
in
an
adverse
way.
So
we
look
forward
to
working
with
you
on
that
and
it's
even
a
goal
that
you
may
may
not
end
up
feeling
comfortable
with,
but
at
least
you
can
feel
honest
about.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
D
So
I'm,
I'm,
I'm
gonna
say
that
what
I
would
prefer
what
I
would
prefer
that
we
were
doing
today
was
moving
emotion
right
now
that
we
do
extend
our
existing
contract
for
one
year
that
we
give.
We
give
staff
the
ability
to
to
deal
with
that.
I
know
that
that
is.
That
is
painful
to
think
of,
because
that
means
that
we
won't
have
the
guideline
we'd
like
to
have
for
the
whole
year
of
2019.
D
That's
that's
why
I
wanted
to
move
that
motion
and
I,
don't
see
why
we
need
to
wait
a
month
if
that
is
the
best
way
to
get
to
a
long
term
study
that
allows
us
said
or
a
long
term
contract
that
allows
us
to
utilize
all
the
input
that
we
need.
Yes,
it's
painful
to
go
an
extra
year,
but
we
have
that
option
and
by
recognizing
it
the
the
savings
and
the
environmental
bang
for
buck
that
we
may
get
out
of
the
resulting
contract.
D
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C
If,
if
we
were
to
extend
the
contract
or
even
in
this
case,
what's
being
proposed,
we
know
what's
gonna
happen,
we
all
read
it
in
the
report.
We
see
that
if
we,
if
we
open
it
up
to
everyone,
someone's
gonna
come
in
with
a
b5
and
say:
well,
you
don't
have
any
additional
costs.
You
don't
have
any
risk,
you
don't
so
we're
gonna
grant.
Another
b5
for
a
year
is
what's
gonna
happen,
and
that
means
another
year
of
us
having
not
moved
the
yard
sticks
and
made
any
made
any
headway.
C
A
You
very
much
and
I
would
just
say
you
can
feel
the
frustration
in
the
room
and-
and
so
we
will
do
the
one
month
break.
So
we
can
convene
and
have
a
proper
wholesome
discussion
with
everyone
at
the
table
as
best
we
can
and
come
to
some
right
of
course,
and
find
some
movement
because
we're
we're
we
know
we're
feeling.
A
The
report
is
not
enough
and
it's
great,
the
U
of
T's
doing
this
study
and
that's
fantastic
and
it's
by
the
timing
doesn't
worked
out
the
best
for
that,
but
we
will
embrace
and
acknowledge
and
read
meticulously
the
information
that
you
have
T
brings
forward.
But
in
the
meantime
we
do
it's,
it's
the
heels
seem
to
be
being
dragged,
so
we
need
to
move
forward.
A
C
This
is
a
recommendation
to
despite
what
what
staff
will
no
doubt
reject
the
proposal
for
an
off-leash
in
this
location,
because
we
can't
possibly
meet
any
of
the
city
standards.
We
as
a
community
would
like
to
move
forward
with
it
and
I'll
say:
I
have
four
off-leash
in
my
ward:
I,
don't
think
any
meet
the
standard
simply
because
our
standards
are
pretty
hard
to
meet
when
you
have
parks
in
the
downtown
core,
and
this
is
around
size
of
the
off-leash
distance
from
the
athletes
from
houses.
I
I,
don't
think.
C
There's
a
single
Park
in
my
ward,
save
maybe
a
tiny
bit
of
Trinity
Bellwoods
bar
that
would
meet
the
distance
requirements
and
the
reality
is
dogs
and
children
and
people
and
ball
playing,
don't
mix,
and
so
we
need
and
there's
more
dogs
than
ever
in
in
our
downtown
communities
in
our
vertical
communities.
We
need
to
find
solutions.
We
have
money
within
our
parks,
improvements
budgets
in
this
particular
location.
It's
in
pretty
close
proximity
to
Trinity,
Bellwoods,
Park
weather
is
also
an
off-leash,
but
then
outside
of
the
ward
further
west.
There
there
isn't
one.
C
D
No
one
will,
let
me
put
one
anywhere
not
for
lack
of
trying
up
to
and
including
a
development,
social
housing,
revitalization
project
and
I,
and
that
it
socialism,
your
vitalization,
because
you
know
how
much
consultation
goes
with
that
and
how
far
and
wide
that
goes,
and
everyone
agreed
that
the
park
within
that
development
should
include
an
off-leash
dog
park
and
now
that
we're
under
construction,
our
criteria
is
telling
us
we
can't
have
it.
We
have
zero
dog
parks,
so
you
needn't
preface
your
remarks
with
it
stuff
in
the
downtown
I
will
with
stuff
all
over.