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Planning and Housing Committee, meeting 13, February 12, 2020 - Part 2 of 2
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Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ7RRr6VQoE
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0:08:28 - Meeting resume
A
A
A
B
A
D
Okay
and
we
now
have
quorum
so
we're
gonna
resume
our
meeting.
Hope
everybody
had
a
good
lunch
and
we'll
start
with
questions
of
staff
and
to
remind
everybody,
we're
on
item
13.3
official
plan
review
transportation,
recommended
official
plan,
amendment
counselor,
perks,
I,
believe
you
have
questions
of
staff.
Thank.
E
You
my
first
question
I.
Just
this
is
sort
of
a
belts
and
suspenders
thing
in
some
places
in
the
opie
in
front
of
us
Opie
amendment
in
front
of
us.
It
refers
to
vehicle
sharing
and
in
other
places
it
refers
to
vehicles
for
hire.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
feel
it
sufficiently
clear
that
vehicle
sharing
doesn't
mean
Hoover,
but
rather
it
means
a
service
where
an
individual
picks
the
vehicle
up
and
uses
it
themselves
through.
F
The
chair,
the
references
in
the
policy
to
vehicle
for
for
hire,
are
only
made
in
in
the
same
way
that
we
refer
to
such
things
as
taxis,
yes
and
it,
and
it
is
only
in
respect
of
the
way
that
that
activity
impacts,
on-site
physical
design
and
pick-up
and
drop-off
activity
and
such
the
other
references
in
the
policies
refer
to
car
sharing
and
ride,
sharing,
as
distinct
from
vehicle
for
hire
card.
Car
sharing
and
ride
sharing
is
a
travel
demand
management
technique.
E
F
G
F
Yeah
through
the
chair,
it
may
just
be
current.
You
know
we're
contemporize.
The
wording
of
the
Official
Plan
and
vehicle
for
hire
is
something
that
is
being
more
commonly
referred
to
at,
including
in
municipal
bylaw,
municipal
code
language.
So
we're
trying
to
be
consistent
with
other
documents
of
the
city.
F
Threw
the
chair
I
grant
you
that
you
know
you're,
probably
using
the
term
calling
for
taxi
or
calling
for
a
an
uber
or
a
lift,
probably
using
commercial
terms,
but
I.
Think
we've
we've
attempted
to
be
very
clear
and
we're
not
implying
the
intent
is
not
to
imply
any
any
or
confer
any
inference
on
vehicle
for
hire
in
the
in
the
wording
that
we
put
forward
in
the
in
the
document.
F
G
In
the
amendments
to
the
opie,
there
are
some
areas
where
the
words
universally
accessible
is
rock
or
the
universally
accessible.
The
first
word
universally
is
struck
and
then
there's
other
words
that
are
accessible
that
are
inserted
and
then
there's
access.
The
word
access
is
struck.
What
is
the
value
proposition
as
driving
this
because
I'm
not
sure
what
are
you
trying
to
achieve
at
the
end
of
the
day.
G
C
F
There
are
other
I
think
you
know
we
are
consultations
with
the
transform,
teo
and
and
public
consultations
have
I
would
I
would
say
infused
the
entire
approach
with
with
more
climate
lens
I'd
have
to.
You
know,
get
back
to
you
on
specific
areas
where,
where
I
could
draw
for
you
more
specifically
where,
where
it
references
that.
F
G
Would
appreciate
that
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
understand
that
oftentimes
when
we
use
the
word
prioritize
you'd
like
to
you're
you're
you're,
suggesting
to
council
that
we
prioritize,
perhaps
active
transportation.
But
what
in
reality
happens
is
that
you
we
we
prioritize
the
motor
vehicle
and
that's
what
we're
building
the
city
towards.
G
So
given
the
fact
that
this
is
an
opportunity
to
refresh
this
particular
piece
of
the
then,
what
specifically,
are
we
doing
to
ensure
that
the
new
order,
new
world
order
under
the
climate
emergency,
that,
when
we
plan
for
transit
and
transport
tation,
that
we
prioritize
active
transportation
and
climate
positive
transportation?
So.
F
I
would
I
would
just
I
would
just
simply
say
that
the
the
the
way
that
we
want
to
go
forward
with
transportation
overall
is
is
to
you
know,
develop
all
of
those
elements.
I
use
Complete
Streets
as
an
example
of
how
we
would
go
about
implementing
that
kind
of
a
policy
direction,
but
certainly
developing
key
elements
of
the
transportation
system.
When
you
look
at
a
complete
Street
lens,
you
are
allocating
road
space
in
a
way
that's
oriented
more
to
moving
people
instead
of
automobiles,
for
example,
as
we
did
with
King
Street.
F
We
can
see
that
in
some
of
the
work
we're
doing
with
Yonge,
Street
and
other,
you
know
more
complete
Street
or
shared
Street
models
that
were
developing
through
environmental
assessments.
So
that's
that's
just
one
way
where
the
policy
would
hit
the
ground
if
you
will
and
we
would
choose
to
prioritize
Road
space
in
a
way
that
more
effectively
manages
that
space
by
removing
people
creating
place
and
has
that
alignment
with
our
climate
goals.
Our
co2
reduction
goal.
G
Let
me
just
try
to
reframe
it
I
guess
I'm,
trying
to
understand
that,
given
the
way
this
transportation
document,
the
transportation
policy
is
now
drafted,
which
is
supposed
to
be
looking
ahead
into
the
future.
If
we
were
to
place
this
particular
document
before
council
and
said,
here's
the
scenario
that
we
have
do
we
rebuild
the
gardner
elevated
highway,
or
do
we
tear
it
down
to
achieve
a
different
type
of
city
building
outcome?
What
would
this
transport?
Where
would
this
transportation
policy
tell
council?
How
would
it
inform
that
decision?
That
was
your
last
question.
D
F
It
could
very
well
council
what
we
originally
what
our
original
advice
was
to
council
with
respect
to
the
with
respect
to
the
Gardner,
which
was,
as
you
know,
a
a
different
path
was
chosen,
but
I
think
you'll
continue
to
see
as
we
implement
or
run
to
ground
the
climate
emergency
that
orientation
and
more
strongly
expressed
through
advice
that
city
staff
gives
City
Council.
Thank.
H
H
So
I
know
that
the
OPA
policies
are
to
talk
about
our
goals.
But
we
also
need
to
talk
about
the
implementation
that
side
of
it
and
I
want
to
understand
how
these
policies
will
help
us
achieve
those
road
safety
improvements,
reflective
of
councils,
new
vision,
zero
2.0,
as
well
as
the
electric
vehicle
piece.
In
light
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
on
climate.
A
F
So
we
had
policy
text,
we
have
non
policy
text
and
we
have
sidebars
and
we
use
all
three
to
reflect
and
to
try
to
keep
the
policy
framework
contemporary
I
think
if
there
are
some,
you
know
very
up-to-date
references
that
would
be
desirable
to
make
to
the
language
that
don't
affect
the
intent
and
they're
really
just
a
last
minute
clean
up
to
make
sure
that
it's
absolutely
contemporary,
especially
on
the
bike
plan
or
other
other
initiatives.
We
could.
F
H
D
H
Through
the
chair
at
the
TTC,
we
we
have
constantly
carried
out
a
program
of
optimizing.
Stop
spacing
how
generally
most
of
our
stops,
have
not
been
placed
in
a
very
consistent
way
or
in
a
way
that
is,
is
backed
by
a
strong
policy
framework.
So
we
are
changing
that
we're
doing
better
at
that
now
we're
coming
up
with
a
way
to
decide
on
stop
locations
and
to
have
clear
standards
as
to
where
they
go,
and
that's
the
sort
of
work
we've
been
doing
in
the
last
couple
years
to
bring
some
rationality
to
our
stop
locations.
D
E
E
Why
would
you
want
to
do
that
and
they
said
to
improve
the
speed
and
travel
times
of
vehicles
so
that
we
can
reduce
the
number
of
vehicles
that
we
have
to
run
on
that
route
to
carry
the
same
number
of
passengers
so
that
we
can
reduce
operating
costs?
In
other
words,
to
save
money?
Let's
make
people
walk
further
to
transit
stops.
Now,
that's
not
always
the
intention.
In
some
instances
it
is
worthwhile
to
look
at
rationalizing
it,
and
that
should
be
a
conversation
that
we
have
in
an
open
and
frank
manner.
E
I
just
think
we
shouldn't
build
into
the
Official
Plan
the
assumption
that
this
process
of
eliminating
TTC
stops,
which
is
the
only
experience
I've
had
of
the
optimizing
process
at
a
TTC,
should
be
built
into
our
official
plan.
We
don't
need
to
have
it
there
in
order
for
the
TTC
to
be
in
a
position
to
reconsider
the
location
of
our
transit
stops,
so,
let's
just
take
it
out,
and
if
the
TTC
wants
to
review
their
stops,
they
still
have
a
mechanism
to
do
it.
E
E
I
do
know
that
nobody
in
the
world
is
anywhere
close
to
being
able
to
bring
them
to
market
the
the
AI
work
to
get
a
vehicle
to
recognize.
What
is
and
isn't
a
person
has
been
shown
to
be
completely
inadequate.
I
have
yet
to
figure
out
how
the
moral
dilemmas
that
drivers
have
to
face
are
going
to
be
dealt
with
and
finally,
making
cars
work.
Better
is
not
a
good
climate
goal.
Everything
else
in
the
plan
we
have
here
is
about
privileges,
sustainable
modes
of
transportation.
E
There
may
come
a
day,
I,
don't
personally
believe
that
it's
going
to
come
when
George
Jetson
gets
his
jetpack
and
all
the
cars
are
self-driving.
That
day
is
not
today
when
they
have
proven
that
there
that
that
day
is
an
heiress,
we
can
come
back
and
review
our
official
plan
policies.
At
that
point,
a
final
note:
I'm
not
moving
a
motion
on
it
because
I
in
conversation
with
the
clerk,
it
is
mind-numbing
ly
difficult
to
figure
out
how
to
do,
but
I
wish.
E
H
I
have
a
motion
I
think
going
to
clerks
I,
don't
know
if
you've
received
it
yet
it
may
not
be
there
because
it
was
just
based
on
the
the
conversation
we
just
said,
but
to
do
prior
to
the
the
motion
will
say
prior
to
the
council
meeting
that
we
do
one
final
review
to
make
sure
that
the
policies
referenced
are
the
latest
city
policies.
I,
don't
know
if
you
need
a
motion
to
do
that,
but
yeah.
E
G
That's
wrong
town.
Thank
you.
Just
to
help
run
the
clock
a
little
bit.
I
I
want
to
thank
Stafford
for
doing
this
body
of
work.
I.
I
I
think
I
am
I'm
a
little
bit.
I
I'm
I
I'm
reserved
by
the
the
recommendations
before
us
is
I'm,
actually
not
clear
on
how
does
this
transportation
policy
update,
said?
G
Opie
actually
speaks
to
and
addresses
the
climate
emergency
when
we
know
that
greenhouse
gas
emissions
are
produced
in
cities
and
in
in
in
big
Quantum's,
but
also
through
through
transportation
in
particular,
so
I
actually
am
I'm
challenging
that
perhaps
it
doesn't
do
what
what
I
think
it
could
do,
especially
if
we're
heading
into
this
next
phase
of
urban
life.
The
issue
around
automated
vehicles
I
actually
entirely
agree
with
McAllister
perks.
That
say,
but
I
honestly
think
that
this
this
report
says
almost
next
to
nothing
about
autonomous
vehicles
and
I.
G
Think
you
put
it
you
put
a
little
placeholder,
you
know,
dot,
dot,
dot,
to
be
continued
and,
and
there's
probably
two
schools
of
thought
is
you
know
how
far
I
had
to
do
do
jump
in
front
of
it
when
when
we
do
know
it's
it's
it's
coming
down
the
pipeline,
perhaps
not
necessarily
tomorrow,
but
we
know
that
it
is
and
at
the
same
time
should
it
not
be
in
the
city's
best
interest
to
also
define
before
the
industry.
The
automotive
industry
defines
for
us
what
they
think
on
autonomous
vehicles
can
do
for
us
in
cities.
G
It
is
an
absolute
requirement
of
city
building
and
all
the
infrastructure
that
has
to
go
into
building
the
city
that
it
is
not
optional,
because,
right
now
by
saying
prioritizing
certain
types
of
users
on
the
roadway,
it's
still
optional
for
us
and
the
default
priority
right
now
until
it's
changed
by
way
of
a
solid
document
such
as
this
to
stipulate
that
it's
not
optional,
it's
not
left
for
judgment.
It's
not
left
for
council,
but
it
is
the
way
forward
to
the
future.
G
G
H
Very
much
appreciate
too
long
Tim
helping
me
get
forward
with
this
motion,
so
we
have
that
drafted
and
it's
just
to
have
our
chief
planner
come
back
to
Council,
with
with
any
references
to
the
latest
city
policies
and
reflect
those
changes
in
the
report.
I
would
like
to
thank
staff
for
their
hard
work
on
this.
H
I
updating
the
opie
is
actually
that's
work
that
never
stops,
despite
like
the
five-year
review
that
that
work
is
always
underway
and
and
it's
a
it's
a
huge
task
in
a
city
like
Toronto
and
it's
been
compounded
and
further
complicated
by
changes
with
the
provincial
government
and
some
of
the
policy
directions
that
continue
to
evolve
and
and
change
as
we
move
forward.
So
I
think
any
time
you
touch
the
transit
file
in
this
city
or
in
the
province
of
Ontario
as
it
were,
it
can
be
challenging.
It
can
be
difficult.
H
We
should
have
a
discussion
as
a
city
about
whether
or
not
we
have
enough
of
a
comprehensive
transit
plan,
which
is
part
of
the
discussion
that's
taking
place
to
today,
and
we
heard
that
from
deput
Ince
I
heard
the
comments
and
the
deputations
about
the
need
for
that
comprehensive
approach
and
I
think
actually
truthfully.
A
lot
of
the
language
here
is
is
moving
us
further
in
that
direction,
particularly
when
we
talk
about
priorities
and-
and
it's
also
important
to
recognize
that
this
work
doesn't
take
place
in
a
silo
of
planning
and
housing.
H
It
also
takes
takes
place
across
different
divisions.
So
you
know
when
we
talk
about
transform,
tÃo
energy
environment.
We
talk
about
the
TTC
Commission
or
five-year
service
plan
like
this
work
is
taking
place
in
different
places,
but
this
is
obviously
the
the
visionary
document
that
sort
of
pulls
it
all
together.
I
noted
that
the
consultants
in
their
engagement
report
quoted
a
public
comment
that
said,
mapped
for
stocks,
I
thought
that
was
a
little
harsh
personally,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
I
I
think
that
we
can't
disperse
yeah.
H
H
With
respect
to
councillor
perks,
views
on
private
automobiles,
whether
they're,
electric
or
not,
you
know
I
think
that
there
there
is
room
for
nuance
in
that
discussion
and
I
think
that
the
reality
is
people
will
be
driving
cars
in
the
City
of
Toronto
and
given
the
emission
gains
that
come
from
combustion
engine
vehicles,
we
should
be
trying
to
address
that
in
a
pragmatic
way.
I,
don't
think
it's
just.
You
know
just
say
that
that's
not
gonna
happen
or
that
we
don't
want
it
to
happen.
H
D
I
think
it
is
important
that
we
acknowledge
the
results
of
those
pilots
and
just
included
as
part
of
the
strategy
and
not
be
surprised
and
try
to
close
our
eyes
and
saying
these
things
are
not
here:
I
think
they
will
bring
challenges,
they
will
bring
opportunities
and
we
have
to
deal
with
these
things
head-on
and
and
not
try
to
put
it
under
the
rug,
and
so
that
that
those
are
my
comments
on
that
again.
Thank
you
to
to
staff
for
a
lot
of
the
work
that
was
done
here.
D
This
is
important
work,
important
work
for
how
we
integrate
our
different
modes
of
transportation.
It
was
very
good
to
hear
some
compliments
from
residents
in
here
that
we're
moving
into
finally
directions,
like
you
know,
school,
traveling
and
cycling
infrastructure
and
bringing
all
these
different
modes
of
aspiration
together
in
a
strategy
to
properly
plan
our
city
and
properly
plan,
how
the
people
and
the
residents
of
the
city
move
around
in
the
very
different
modes
that
that
we
have
available
for
them.
So
thank
you
staff
and
thank
you
for
everybody
that
participated.
D
E
D
L
L
Was
gonna
show
a
video,
but
it's
not
popping
up
now,
so
if
it
does
near
the
end,
I'll
do
that
so
my
name
is
Barry
reader
I'm,
the
community
minister,
with
the
United
Church
of
Canada
and
I've,
had
the
privilege
of
working
in
the
fur
grove
community
in
a
community
development
role
for
the
last
25
years.
On
the
one
hand,
I
must
say
it's
been
a
privilege
to
work
in
this.
Such
a
vibrant,
caring
community,
such
as
fur
drove,
on
the
other
hand,
for
those
living
there.
Right
now
it's
been
pure
hell.
L
Nearly
27
million
dollars
was
promised
of
the
community
to
fix
up
the
interior
and
exterior
of
the
grass
way
units.
When
architectural
designs
were
sent
to
engineers,
they
said
you
can't
fix
these
units.
They're
rotted
out
from
the
Corps,
so
half
of
the
units
were
deemed
inhabitable
for
humans
to
live
in
and
through
a
flawed
relocation
plan
in
a
four-month
period.
Those
residents
were
quickly
forced
to
move.
That
was
almost
three
years
ago.
The
remaining
half
of
the
tenants
are
still
there.
Although
the
units
were
built
at
the
same
time
and
suffered
from
leaking
roofs.
L
The
remaining
units
are
covered
with
blue
siding,
hiding
the
rot.
The
residents
remaining
have
been
dutiful
in
working
with
Toronto
Community
Housing,
in
coming
up
with
a
site
plan
of
a
redeveloped
community,
which
will
be
safer
and
and
fitting.
Meanwhile,
for
the
last
two
and
a
half
years,
they've
been
in
a
holding
pen
waiting
in
rodent
infested,
moldy
units
beside
units
which
have
been
boarded
up
and
fenced
off
as
a
haven
for
rats
and
mice.
L
At
a
community
meeting
last
week,
an
exasperated
tenant
said
that
in
one
month
period
she
caught
19
mice
in
her
unit.
Other
tenants
have
come
to
me
explaining
that
they're
trying
to
move
because
of
the
mold
and
their
kids
are
experiencing
respiratory
problems,
but
can't
because
they're
not
seen
as
a
priority
transfer,
I'm
sure.
You've
all
heard
the
planning
story
about
broken
windows,
and
if
you
don't
fix
them
more,
will
happen
well.
Living
in
a
depressed
situation
like
fur
rove
beside
boarded
up
units
is
attracting
other
problems.
L
In
the
month
of
december,
there
were
four
people
shot
enough
is
enough.
I
deplore
you
today
to
move
with
haste
in
approving
this
application,
as
well
as
Expedia
editing
the
process
so
that
the
remaining
tenants
can
move
out
of
these
depressing
rodent
filled.
Moldy
units
give
the
time
so
that
they
can
be
moved
appropriately
to
decent
and
safe
accommodation,
while
the
finishing
touches
are
done
to
the
site
plan.
L
I
also
deplore
you
to
advocate
with
utmost
urgency
in
fervor
to
other
levels
of
government
to
don't
join
with
you
in
funding
this
venture
and
that
if
no
external
funds
come
forward
that
you
as
a
city
council
foot
the
bill,
the
good
people
of
fir
Grove
deserve
to
be
given
the
dignity
and
respect
that
they
deserve
for
any
naysayers
in
this
city
or
other
levels
of
government.
I
would
challenge
them
to
come
to
the
community
and
spend
one
night
in
fir.
L
L
Now
the
video
is
not
coming
up,
but
it
was
showing
as
far
as
the
kind
of
the
dilapidated
siding
of
the
buildings,
then
since
then
they
were
put
up
boards
and
fenced
around
and
stuff
like
that,
so
but
come
to
the
community
and
see,
if
you
don't
believe
me,
unfortunately,
Shannon
Holness
was
going
to
be
the
next
step.
He
didn't
Shannon
grew
up
in
the
community.
She
has
a
master's
of
urban
planning.
L
I
was
part
of
the
grower
grass
ways
and
quite
well
elegant
spoken,
but
she's
going
to
send
her
deputation,
yeah
and
so
I
asked
people
to
take
the
time
to
enter
breed
debt,
and
one
last
comment:
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
shout
out
to
Marcia
from
acorn
in
raising
the
awareness
around
affordable
housing.
It
really
is
an
issue
and
these
issues
are
connected.
Thank.
K
L
M
Thank
you
so
again,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
fur
Pro
has
been
buried
here
or
at
her
I
mean
Akon
hard.
You
I,
don't
know
you
remember.
We
were
fighting
before
the
revitalization
and
and
the
many
of
the
house
being
turned
down,
and
we
asked
and
the
major
was
here
sit
down
and
the
chair
of
Consular
on
awhile
ow,
and
he
said
that
he
went
and
asked
to
the
province
for
money
and
the
promise
at
that
time.
Saying.
No.
So
then,
when
he
finally
got
the
money,
the
housing
and
Pharaoh
was
really
in
such
a.
M
Disrespect
or
a
violation,
so
we
had
some
concerns
because
revitalization
sounds
good,
but
revitalization
does
a
lot
of
damage
to
people
because
take
them
from
the
from
the
from
the
roots.
You
remember.
Edna
rose
now
she's
living
in
the
community,
she
still
being
the
cross
across
guard,
but
she
locally
found
some
place.
But
what
about
the
other
people
that
has
to
be
removed
and
move
to
another
neighborhood,
and
probably
people
like
Edna
Rosa,
was
30
years
living
there.
M
So
I
know
the
vitalization
at
this
point
was
needed
because
you
didn't
have
the
money
or
the
city
didn't
have
the
money,
but
the
good
news
is
you
had
the
morning
now
for
the
10
years?
Isn't
it?
This
is
what
we
understood.
140
millions
are
going
to
you
tcac
every
year
and
it
was
a
money
coming
from
the
government,
federal
government
and
in
provincial
governments.
So
I
hope
so
is
no
more
revitalization.
M
So
we
hope
so
as
normal
revitalizations,
because
in
the
other
hand,
too,
is
I
as
a
member
akre
calling
the
the
staff,
the
persons
who
do
they
the
how
you
call
that
the
negotiations
that
remember
when
you
negotiate
there
are
people
out
there
fifty-five
percent
of
rent
or
Torontonians.
We
are
renters.
Remember
there
are
people
that
live
in
three
bedrooms.
Three
families
remember
there
are
people
who
lives
these
people
in
a
room
in
season
in
six
different
beds.
Remember
there
are
people
who
still
in
the
shelter's
remember
there
are
people
in
the
ravines.
M
M
A
Commandments
got
blown
this
fight,
another
series
that
Burnaby,
as
you
know,
NBC
and
the
city
change
all
the
policies
to
stop
demolitions
and
stop
Reno
actions.
So
now
that
we
had
the
money,
please
we
don't
want
to
see
more
revitalization.
We
know
nearer
I
tell
essentials
if
we
had
the
money
to
retool
it
to
do
the
repairs.
So
thank
you
so
much.
N
Good
afternoon
counselors,
it's
me
again.
My
name
is
Marcia
stone,
I'm,
a
member
of
the
western
chapter
of
acorn
acorn,
is
the
association
of
community
organization
for
inform
now
we're
a
membership
through
a
group
of
low
and
moderate
income
people
fighting
for
change.
Many
of
our
members
are
tenants,
and
many
of
our
members
are
on
the
wait
list
for
treaty
CHC
housing
I
am
one
of
those
67,000
people.
They
tell
me
that's
on
a
waitlist.
N
I
am
on
this
waiting
list
and
I
think
I'll
probably
be
dead
before
I
have
a
chance
to
get
an
apartment.
It's
sad!
It
really
is
sad
because
that
would
be
something.
I
would
be
able
to
afford
it's
rent
gear
to
income
I'm
here
to
bring
a
few
concerns
from
our
members
to
you
about
revitalization
and
about
TCH
see.
First
of
all,
we
definitely
need
tcht
to
be
safe
and
healthy
and
in
good
repair.
N
Revitalization
is
good,
don't
get
me
wrong,
but
with
the
wait
list
so
long,
we
need
to
make
sure
we
are
adding
as
many
units
as
possible.
The
amount
of
affordable
units
built
in
this
reviler
revitalization
is
small
in
comparison
to
the
number
of
non
affordable
units.
We
need
more
affordable
units,
not
more
condos.
It
should
be
50/50,
affordable
units,
half
and
half
that's
a
good
mix
and
the
unit's
also
to
be
of
the
same
quality
as
the
others.
N
N
Another
point
we
are
concerned
about
these
developments
right
now
are
not
going
to
have
any
rent
control
because
Doug
Ford
guy
got
rid
of
it.
The
market,
the
market
rental
units,
are
at
risk
of
massive
rent
increases.
How
can
you
be
building
a
TCH,
Dee
and
calling
it
affordable,
but
having
units
without
rent
control?
That's
ridiculous!
N
So,
there's
a
real
need
for
you
guys
to
require
rent
control
on
any
of
these
developments
on
public
land
or
getting
public
funds
personally,
I
hope
one
day
that
I
do
get
an
affordable
unit
and
off
the
waitlist,
but
I
also
need
to
live
in
a
safe
space.
My
adult
children
need
to
know
that
their
mother
is
living
safe,
so
making
sure
the
place
is
well
built.
Well-Designed,
that's
very
important
too.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
affordable
units
are
not
substandard.
N
All
units
should
be
the
same,
sound
one
final
concern:
we
don't
want
these
revaluations
to
jen
gentrify,
the
neighborhood.
We
need
to
make
sure
there's
a
good
mix
of
affordable
levels.
This
is
why
it's
so
important
that
there's
real
real
affordability,
real
rent
control
and
as
many
affordable
units
as
possible
you're
talking
about
the
future
here.
N
This
is
a
major
opportunity
and
I
hope
you
take
take
the
opportunity
to
hold
these
these
developers
and
contractors
accountable
and
as
a
right
now,
I've
decided
to
take
my
name
off
of
that
housing
list
in
TCH
C,
as
I
would
prefer
to
be
in
a
safe
environment
and,
as
I
can
see
on
my
Street
Western
Road,
there
are
a
few
TCH
C
buildings,
but
they're
not
safe.
A
lot
of
seniors
live
in
the
building,
they
complain
and
their
concern.
N
A
L
Name
is
Bob
Murphy
I'm,
a
member
of
acorn
York,
South
Weston.
Many
of
our
members
are
low
and
moderate-income
and
on
the
existing
Toronto
housing
never-never
list
boy,
what
a
mountain
to
climb!
What
a
mountain
I
am
personally
on
the
waiting,
sleepy
and
dormant
housing
list.
I
am
also
an
Ontario
disability
recipient
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
Toronto
Community
Housing
revitalization
at
fur
Grove,
because
Toronto,
Community,
Housing
and
affordable
housing
is
extremely
important
to
our
communities.
L
My
main
concern
there
needs
to
be
more
rent
geared
to
income
units,
so
we
can
start
chopping
down
the
waiting
list.
How
many
of
the
affordable
units
at
fur
Grove
our
rent
geared
to
income
I,
see
to
seven
years,
so
we're
going
to
be
Toronto,
Community
Housing?
What
about
the
107
affordable
for
whom
units
who
are
they
affordable?
For
what
will
the
rent
be
on
these
units?
L
We
need
to
make
sure
that
a
percentage
of
affordable
is
actually
affordable
based
on
income,
not
market
rent.
Many
individuals
on
ODSP
are
paying
70
to
80
percent
of
their
assistance
on
rent
the
number
one
priority
for
an
ODSP
recipient
number.
One
is
rent
number
two
is
cell
phone
access
number
three
is
transportation.
L
L
D
O
O
This
is
clearly
needed
for
affordable
housing
for
seniors.
My
friend
Edna
was
forced
to
move
out
of
the
building
on
for
growth
here,
and
many
senior
struggled
to
find
affordable
housing
for
the
THC
development
developers
need
to
be
held
accountable.
The
waiting
list
is
too
long.
Why
is
that?
Really?
We
need
not
only
replace,
affordable
housing,
but
build
more.
At
least
50%
of
the
development
should
be
affordable
need,
affordable
housing
for
low
and
middle
income
people.
O
O
D
D
K
P
K
Currently,
according
to
this
140,
a
144
of
them
are
simply
closed.
They're
uninhabitable,
nobody
will
be
moving
in
there
they're
shut
down
until
this
the
end
of
the
road
here
correct,
so
that
leaves
92
units
that
people
are
inhabiting,
probably
not
in
the
best
conditions,
and
if
this
passes
gets
to
City
Council
and
it's
okay,
then,
is
there
an
opportunity
to
begin
the
relocation
earlier
than
waiting
for
all
of
the
zoning
everything
all
of
those
types
of
them
flew.
K
I
K
When
you,
if
this
is
approved
in
the
February
council,
you're
pretty
certain
that
we're
moving
forward
on
that
correct,
yes-
and
there
have
been
a
number
of
speakers
that
have
suggested
that
the
number
of
affordable
units
could
be
increased
without
putting
a
number
there
today.
Are
you
comfortable
with
us
sending
this
for
approval,
but
asking
you
to
revisit
that
to
look
at
the
mix
or
any
opportunities
to
increase
the
affordable
units
on
that
space?
Yes,.
K
I
K
K
A
K
So
that's
set
by
the
province.
Yes,
it's
not
set
by
the
city
or
this
committee.
It
is
not
set
by
the
city
or
this
committee,
because
the
subsidies
coming
provincially,
that's
correct.
Okay,
so
that's
clear
and
what
was
the
program
earlier?
Maybe
you
could
tell
me
what
that
program
was
that
there
was
a
program
TCH.
He
had
hoped
to
redo
fir
Grove.
If
it
was,
it
called
reset.
What
was
the
name
of
it?
Yes,.
I
K
I
Can't
speak
for
the
all
the
projects
within
the
reset
program,
but
for
fir
Grove
specifically,
it
was
determined
that
the
housing
wasn't
in
a
condition
that
investing
in
it
further
was
didn't,
make
any
any
any
sense
because
of
the
condition
of
the
existing
units,
and
so
we
decided
that
the
best
way
to
move
forward
is
a
complete.
Revitalization
of
this
community
is.
K
There
some
way,
I
guess
I
would
just
ask:
is
there
some
way
that
we
could
look
and
see
how
many
are
in
the
reset
and
how
many
are
getting
capital
repairs
and
how
many
might
find
itself
in
the
same
situation
now
as
the
FIR
grow
of
properties?
Is
that
something
that
you'd
be
prepared
to?
Let
this
committee
know
yeah.
D
K
Councillor
Fletcher
I
do
want
to
speak.
I
do
have
a
motion
asking
that
City
Council
request
the
deputy
city
manager,
community
and
social
services
to
work
directly
with
drunk
mini
Housing
Corporation
to
facilitate
the
relocation
of
the
per
'grill
of
tenants
living
in
the
remaining
92
apartments
and
I'm
simply
saying
this,
because
we
recognize
that
this
has
been
a
long
journey
for
those
tenants.
K
They
were
part
of
a
reset
program
that
couldn't
proceed
because
of
the
condition
of
the
building,
so
numbers
have
basically
moved
out
or
had
to
move
out
over
time
because
of
the
condition
of
the
building.
Since
this
report
I
understand,
there's
another
ten
units
have
been
closed
and
leaving
only
in
92
tenants
rather
than
102
in
the
report
and
I.
K
Just
think
that
we
should
be
clear
in
our
intention,
since
this
has
had
a
long
trajectory
at
Fir
Grove
that
whatever
needs
to
happen
once
this
clears
City
Council
to
quickly
move
the
remaining
90
to
into
better
housing
conditions
would
be
a
good
thing
to
do
and
then
the
whole
site
would
be
available.
All
236
units
would
be
available
for
demolition.
That's
the
first
thing.
I
understand
you,
madam
chair,
going
to
bring
a
motion
to
look
at
the
mix
if
it's
possible
to
increase
the
mix
of
affordable
rental
on
that
site.
K
You
in
whatever
way
possible
and
I,
don't
know
when
you
would
ask
for
that
report
to
come
back,
but
it
would
be
helpful
if
we
knew
a
little
bit
more
about
that
before
the
final
report
came
and
lastly,
I
didn't
have
a
chance
to
write
this
up,
but
I'm
very
interested
in
the
reset,
and
if
there
are
other
properties
that
TC
HC
knows
about
that
find
themselves
in
the
same
situation
where
originally
it
was
thought
it'd
be
possible
to
actually
refurbish
them.
But
the
conditions
of
those
are
such
that
that's
going
to
be
impossible.
K
So
that
would
be
helpful
if
we
have
that
knowledge
and
we
could
have
a
plan
around
those,
including
knowing
how
well
the
reset
program
is
going
because
the
units
that
were
part
of
that
reset
really
needed
a
lot
of
work.
So
I
might
just
ask
if
I
can
move
that
I
might
I'll
move
that
at
City
Council,
but
I'm
letting
I'm
letting
mr.
Tong
know
my
intention,
but
I'll
be
doing
there
and
I
might
ask
that
one
again
at
City,
Council,
so
you're
ready
to
answer.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
work.
K
I
just
want
to
thank
all
the
tenants,
and
everybody
have
been
involved
in
this
so
far
keeps
staying
involved.
Let's
get
a
great
project
as
soon
as
we
deal
with
people
that
are
living
in
conditions
that
aren't
great
and
we
can
get
them
to
new
place.
The
you
only
get
to
build
something
once
you
don't
go
back
in
again,
so
when
you're
going
to
build
it
once,
let's
get
it
right
and
build
it
once
so,
that's
why
I
think
we're
asking
for
some
of
these
and
I
noticed
that
you're
nodding
your
head
to
that.
D
So,
no
actually
we
have
a
solution.
We
actually
have
somebody
that
would
like
to
speak.
That
was
not
registered
and
it
actually
fits
in
because
we
need
some
extra
time
to
prepare
a
motion.
So
I'm
gonna
ask
the
resident
and
I
don't
know
his
name.
Do
you
have
his
name?
Ok,
can
I
can
I
get
your
attention?
Please,
ok
can
I
have
the
resident
to
come
forward
and
to
speak
on
this
item,
so
we're
gonna
alter
the
wave
we've
passed
this
time
you
usually
need
to
register
before,
but
we're
gonna.
J
We
are
the
tenants
still
living
in
fir
Grove,
I,
all
say
I'm
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
myself
and
the
tenants
still
living
here.
You
have
the
power
to
hear
us
today
and
make
a
change
a
real
difference
in
the
lives
of
human
beings,
people
of
color
minority
children
who
cannot
speak
for
themselves.
Who
did
not
ask
for
the
cards
they
were
dealt,
but
to
do
it
everyday
with
grace
and
dignity.
J
We
tell
people,
we
live
in
one
of
the
best
countries
in
the
world,
one
of
the
best
countries
in
the
world.
We
hold
our
heads
high
because
we
are
proud
to
be
Canadians,
but
unfortunately
there
are
two
worlds
there
are.
There
is
our
world
and
there's
your
world
I,
would
say
and
coming
from
my
world
and
where
I
live,
it's
a
lot
more
difficult
to
get
where
you
want
to
be.
You
go
through
struggles,
you
go
through
temptations,
you
go
through
a
whole
bunch
of
stuff,
even
living.
J
Even
while
I
was
living,
there,
I'm
still
living
there
actually
and
right
now,
I'm
gonna
tell
you
guys
health-wise
it's
killing,
everybody,
it's
diminishing
all
everybody's
health,
my
floors,
I,
would
walk
on
my
floors
and
water
will
be
rising
up
from
my
floors.
I'm
going
to
my
bed
and
water
is
leaking
from
my
lights,
literally
at
God's.
The
point
that
I
could
not
even
turn
on
anymore,
because
water
damage.
What
is
being
done,
nothing
all
these
problems
that
are
in
the
community.
J
Nothing
is
being
done
about
anything
and
I
feel
like
you
guys
have
to
step
up
personally
I,
don't
see
what
you
guys
are
doing,
I,
don't
see
anything
personally,
I
even
I
was
working
for
it
around
community
housing
for
a
little
bit
and
the
revite.
The
whole
process
was
just
it's
long.
What
four
people
need
answers?
People
need
solutions,
not
just.
Oh,
let's
just
talk
about
it.
Let's
debate
about
it.
J
O
J
Yes,
even
with
the
relocation,
my
whole
experience
when,
because
I
was
on
the
other
side,
where
was
relocated
and
they
were
trying
to
relocate
my
family
from
where
I
am
right.
Now
over
just
up
the
street
to
driftwood
and
I
know
you
guys
are
not.
You
know,
you're
not
in
my
world,
but
you
wouldn't
know
that
like
there's
certain
places
like.
Oh,
if
you,
if
you
live
here
and
like
just
because
you
live
there,
you're
automatically
affiliated
ok.
J
J
J
J
There's
this
reverie
all
over
the
city.
Okay,
all
over
the
city,
is
not
just
between
there
and
Derrick.
It's
because,
to
be
honest,
the
wet
rivalry
is
it's
it's
gang-related,
literally
it's
it's
really
so
big,
and
so
sometimes
it's
far
beyond
my
beyond
my
comprehension,
because
it's
just
like
I've
been
trying
to
keep
out
of
it
for
for
the
past.
How
long
and
it's
like
things
always
find
a
way
to
find
you,
because
it's
so.
K
Q
K
And
we
know
this
will
allow
the
relocations
to
take
place
just
formally
so
my
motion
here
today
you
heard.
Did
you
hear
my
motion
before
you
got
up
to
speak
that?
Are
you
aware
this
will
go
to
City
Council
on
February
27th
for
approval
by
everybody
yeah
once
it's
approved,
you
might
know
that
then
there
can
be
very
serious
and
urgent
relocation
and
that
urgent.
My
motion
as
our
deputy
city
manager
to
work
on
that
but
I'll
I
spoke
already.
K
I
do
think
that
hearing
what's
been
said
today,
we
need
to
add
the
layer
on
of
being
careful
where
you're
going
so
when
you
get
relocated
or
you
get
offered,
your
outer
draw
right
goes
through
a
draw
yeah.
The
draws
are
no
that's
for
the
new
apartments,
your
relocation.
Can
you
turn
anything
down
or
are
you
penalized
for
it
turn
down.
P
K
Yeah
three
choices
and
if
you
turn
them
down,
then
you're
no
longer
move
to
the
bottom
of
the
list.
At
that
point,
yes,
one
choice
only
once
okay,
so
we're
going
to
sort
that
out.
I
need
to
have
more
clarity,
but
we
already
asked
questions,
maybe
a
council
to
make
sure
that
in
these
situations
that
have
been
long-standing
that
were
very
sensitive
to
some
of
these
issues
that
you've
raised
today
and
try
to
pack
build
that
into
the
process.
Although
it's
not
normally
part
of
the
process.
Thank.
D
Thank
you
any
other
questions
see
none
thanks
for.
Thank
you
joining
us
today.
Okay
motion
is
ready.
Okay,
so
two
motions
that
I
have
one
is
to
ensure
that
our
city
staff
work
to
explore
all
opportunities
available
to
increase
the
number
of
affordable
housing.
So
we're
gonna
have
the
business
plan
in
the
zoning
coming
back
here
towards
the
end
of
the
year
and
through
this
process,
I'm
hoping
that
staff
is
gonna
is
gonna,
look
at
all
opportunities
to
add,
affordable
housing
on
site
as
we're
going
through
the
process.
D
This
is
a.
This
has
been
taking
a
significant
amount
of
time
and
I
think
that
everybody
is
well
aware
of
the
urgency
that
we
need
right
now.
This
is
a
process
that
started
as
it
was
mentioned,
with
a
reset
program
and
when
investigation
was
started
to
happen,
staff
advised
everybody
all
of
us
that
really
the
building's
should
not
be
just
repatched
or
renovated.
D
They
should
be
torn
down
and
we
should
be
looking
at
a
revitalization
I
think
this
is
time
that
we
move
quick
I
think
this
is
an
important
revitalization
that
we
need
to
invest
all
the
funds,
all
the
energy
to
get
it
done
as
soon
as
possible
and
I
think
everybody
is
on
the
same
page.
So
I
think
the
message
that
we
we
should
be
delivering
I,
think
that
all
of
us
are
delivering
to
the
community
members
that
we're
all
extremely
supportive
of
this
of
this
revitalization.
D
That
we've
heard
you
that
there's
some
sensibilities
and
sensitivities
that
we
need
to
be
aware-
and
we
need
to
be
careful
as
we're
developing
this
program,
but
that
that
we're
very
committed
to
working
with
the
community
to
get
it
done
as
soon
as
possible.
I
think
that's
the
message
that
we
would
like
the
community
members
to
take
back
to
everybody.
D
So,
given
that
I'm
looking
forward
to
getting
this
report,
getting
everybody
committed,
possibly
with
more
affordable
housing
units,
the
replacement
of
our
RDI
a
great
community
facility
as
well,
that
is
part
of
this
of
this
program
and
to
have
a
really
strong
community
being
able
to
be
very
proud
of
the
work
that
we're
all
going
to
be
doing
together.
I
mean
my
second
motion
that
I
have
as
well
is
to
ensure
that
TCH
she's
not
going
to
be
charged
for
the
site
plan,
application
fees
and
all
that
that
they
have
to
pay
I.
D
J
E
E
D
D
G
D
G
Really
do
defer
until
until
perhaps
when
the
site
plan
comes
in
yeah.
Okay,
so
thank
you.
That's
helpful
and
then,
with
respect
to
this
particular
motion,
are
we
defining
affordable
units?
Is
it
mid
range
affordability?
Is
it
deeply
affordable?
Is
it
home
ownership?
Is
it
rentals?
Is
it
supportive
housing?
Is
it
rgi
housing?
Can
you
elaborate
so,
and
should
we
elaborate
and
can
we
elaborate
on
the
motion.
D
I
ask
that
we
don't
just
because
so
there's,
as
you
know,
in
the
confidential
report,
they
have
of
a
high
level
proposal
and
what
we're
asking
is
that
as
they're
developing
their
perform
is
better
as
they
get
a
partner
as
they
get
in
their
planning
and
that
they
fine-tune
the
density
that
they
get.
They
will
know
how
much
more
they
can
push
and
and
I
think
that
is
important
for
them
too,
to
have
some
flexibility
on
that.
They
know
very
much
that
you
know
we
like
to
have
between
40%
Amr
to
80%
AMR.
D
G
D
Not
that
what
it
will
be
coming
back
will
be
a
business
plan
and
that
will
be
giving
us
more
and
then
more
detail
and
the
opportunity
to
go
deeper
and
that's
why
I'm
asking
them
as
they
are
developing
their
business
plan.
Please
look
at
the
opportunities
to
increase
the
number
of
your
affordable
units
and
you're
gonna
be
doing
two
things:
business
plan
and
the
the
rezoning
application.
G
And
are
you
saying
that
to
staff
that
you
wanted
them
to
come
back
with
a
wide
range,
so
scenario
one
we
want
to?
We
want
to
see
X
number
of
units
for
supportive
housing
or
X
number
of
units
allocated
for
eight
forty
percent.
Amr
X
number
is
I.
Guess
you
could
you
could
you
could
come
back
with
a
business
plan
that
the
church
is
like
ten
different
forms
of
affordable
housing,
but
what's
the
direction
are
you
expecting
a
staff
to
actually
run
the
performance
on
all
ten
of
them?
No.
D
I'm
I'm
expecting
through
the
housing
Secretariat
through
the
the
TC
HC
and
planning
that
they
look
at
the
neighborhoods.
They
look
at
the
incomes,
they
look
at
the
needs
and
they
actually
look
at
the
performer
that
they
have
and
if,
if
they
tell
me
that
instead
of
having
another
extra
fifty
at
80
percent
that
really
what
that
community
could
use
is
25
units
at
40
percent.
You
know
if
that's
they,
if
they
believe
that
you
know
in
that
in
that
community
was
really
important
to
need,
because
we
need
more
of
a
mix.
D
I
believe
that
that's
important
right
now,
I,
don't
know
what
range
were
we're
we're
dealing
with,
and
so
we're
not
gonna
have
keep
in
mind
that
we
are
replacing
288
regi,
and
this
is
a
market
that
is
very
untested
for
decades.
Nothing
has
I
spoke
with
a
local
councillor,
there's
one
condominium
across
the
street
that
is
now
being
that
is
up
for
sale.
Nothing
has
been
built
in
this
neighborhood
for
decades.
We
don't
really
know
what
the
market
is
in
this
area.
D
So
I
would
like
to
have
our
staff
being
able
to
look
a
little
bit
of
it
and
and
coming
back
to
us
understanding
that
we
need
to
build
a
community
center.
We
need
to
replace
the
rgi
and
we
need
to
build
affordable
housing
units.
So
I
would
like
to
give
them
a
little
bit
of
flexibility,
giving
the
the
circumstances
to
to
come
back.
D
G
D
D
D
D
D
R
D
S
First
I
just
wanted
to
say,
as
the
executive
director
of
an
organization
that
develops
and
operates,
affordable
housing
specifically
for
people
that
are
chronically
homeless.
How
excited
and
relieved
I
am
to
see
supportive
housing
addressed
in
the
housing
plan.
I'd
like
to
think
that
this
is
one
of
the
early
signs
of
how
housing
as
a
right
will
influence
city
policy,
and
my
optimistic
heart
sees
it
as
the
the
snow
is
starting
to
melt
in
Narnia
a
little
bit.
S
I
also
appreciate
that
the
city
is
committed
to
finding
enough
funds
for
six
hundred
units
per
year
and
given
some
thought
about
the
first,
how
the
first
six
hundred
units
will
be
delivered.
I
can
see
that
the
city
is
looking
at
its
existing
resources
that
it
can
use
to
quickly
deliver
in
the
first
year,
which
is
really
great
as
well,
but
I
want
to
caution
you
about
how
realistic
some
of
those
ideas
are,
particularly
without
a
funded
increase
to
supply
250
of
the
first
years.
S
600
targeted
units
are
hoped
to
be
found
within
the
private
market
and
100
more
of
the
same
for
every
following
year.
The
idea
here
is
that,
if
tenants
are
given
enough
money
for
rent
and
enough
money
for
support,
the
city
will
access
private
market
for
supportive
housing.
It
is
an
extension
of
the
same
wishful
thinking
that
has
been
this
Toronto's
sole
strategy
to
address
chronic
homelessness
and
I.
Think
it's
going
to
work
out
just
about
as
well.
S
Portable
housing
allowance
has
have
been
available
for
years
now,
and
support
funding
has
been
touched
for
the
last
two
years
through
homes
for
good
tenants
are
armed
with
$800
a
month
in
portable
housing
allowances
and
a
1
to
8
support
worker
and
diligent
skilled
staff
hunt
everyday
for
private
market
landlords
willing
to
sign
leases.
In
a
year.
My
organization
has
been
able
to
house
about
8,
and
that
is
with
9
different
agencies.
Beating
the
pavement
every
day.
S
Other
organizations
managing
the
same
funding
report,
similar
or
lesser
successes,
I
know
because
I
get
frequent,
desperate
calls
for
vacant
units,
which
I
don't
have
to
put
it
another
way.
If
landlords
were
willing
to,
let
us
at
private
market
landlords
were
willing
to
let
us
access
their
housing
stock.
It
wouldn't
have
taken
200
million
dollars
of
CMHC
funding
at
Mervis
village
for
266,
barely
discounted
rents
for
a
period
of
10
years.
S
Rents
are
simply
too
high,
even
with
$800
allowances
and
anecdotally.
The
housing
allowances
are
increasing
rents
in
the
few
options
left,
such
as
rooming
houses
and
substandard
housing,
which
only
serves
to
push
more
people
out
of
housing.
So
as
a
strategy,
the
unintended
consequences
are
self-defeating.
The
problem
here
is
physics,
no
physical
apartments
in
which
to
place
a
tenant
with
a
housing
allowance
and
support
funding.
To
be
honest,
I
don't
have
a
solution
or
ideas
about
what
can
be
done
about
increasing
supply
in
year,
one
as
if
even
the
funds
were
available.
S
They
wouldn't
be
able
to
be
employed
that
quickly
in
any
way
that
I
can
think
of,
but
I
do
know
that
it
simply
does
not
have
to
be
that
hard
to
increase
the
supply
of
house
supportive
housing
in
future
years.
The
city
has
resources,
it
has
land,
but
it
has
to
make
good
use
of
that
root.
The
resource,
first
of
all,
it's
going
to
mean
directing
create
tio2,
create
another
band
of
income,
demographic
to
its
housing,
no
targets
that
represent
people
who
are
on
ODSP
and
need
supports
to
remain
house.
S
It
only
makes
sense
that
each
site
shoulders
a
share
of
this
responsibility.
That
is
what
creates
inclusive
communities
and
it
provides
a
mechanism
to
ensure
the
city's
targets
are
met.
Secondly,
there
can
be
no
more
housing
now
sites
going
out
for
proposals
at
low
densities.
We
simply
don't
have
that
luxury.
S
We've
heard
a
presentation
about
warden
earlier
this
today
and
how
the
identity
needs
to
be
increased.
We
have
a
second
chance
to
do
block
36,
North,
properly
a
chance
to
triple
density
by
adding
200
more
units
in
general,
it
is
going
to
mean
bolder
massing
planning
practices
will
need
to
be
revisited
to
limit
the
setbacks
which
reduce
housing
supply
and
increase
both
the
capital
and
the
operating
costs.
So
it's
a
triple
hit.
The
increased
density
with
bolder
massing
will
increase
both
supply
and
affordability
for
supported
housing.
S
And
thirdly,
it's
going
to
mean
smaller
apartment
sizes,
the
affordable
housing
design
guidelines
severely
limit
the
number
of
how
apartments
a
building
can
deliver.
That
means
that
about
25%
less
apartments
in
each
building
and
each
apartment
within
that
that
building
is
more
expensive
to
operate
again.
S
G
S
What
I'm
saying
is
that
density
profile
provides,
affordability,
so
increases
the
supply
and
it
makes
the
capital
costs
of
each
building
unit
constructed
less
and
increased
density
makes
operating
costs
lower.
So
when
you
are
partnering
with
a
private
developer,
which
it
seems
to
be
I
mean
for
better
for
worse,
it
seems
to
be
the
mechanism
that
we're
using.
If
a
private
developer
has
access
to
more
density,
then
they
have
more.
Flexibility
to
provide.
Affordability
are.
S
G
So
the
housing
now
report
has
already
been
it's
already
left.
The
station
mm-hmm
we've
already
stipulated
that
it's
not
going
to
be
a
third
of
the
of
the
of
the
overall
units
that
are
being
proposed
because
the
third
will
be
home
ownership
and
market
market.
You
come
home,
I
want
to
show
third
will
be
some
type
of
rental
and
then
a
third
will
be
then
affordable,
housing
within
an
additional
component
for
deeply
affordable.
Where
does
supportive
housing
fit
in
all
that
into.
S
I'm
saying
that
the
currently
scheduled
deeply
affordable
housing
can
a
portion
of
that.
That
is
proportionate
to
the
number
that
you
want
to
create
out
of
the
affordable
housing.
Targets
would
be
appropriate
to
set
aside
for
supportive
housing
and
I'd
further
suggest
that
wouldn't
a
Dan
expensed,
because
when
I
look
at
the
40%
of
AMR,
that's
being
considered
for
the
deeply
affordable
units
that
is
accessible
for
people
that
are
living
on
W
and
ODSP
when
you
layer
the
shelter
component
of
their
social
assistance
with
the
portable
housing
allowances.
S
A
D
Questions
I
do
have
a
couple
just
following
up
on
this,
so
exactly
on
what
you
said.
So
we've
we've
established
that
18,000
units
are
gonna,
be
dedicated
for
the
supportive.
Well,
the
bricks
and
mortars
are
because
we
don't
want
to
leave
our
partners
in
the
province
in
the
feds
off
the
hook
for
the
operating
costs,
but
we've
now
committed
that
we
would
like
to
have
18,000
of
the
40,000
for
supportive
housing.
So
we
have
on
the
housing
now
program.
10%
that
are
40%
AMR,
so
is
that
is
that
rank?
Is
that
enough?
D
S
S
It
even
is
good
enough
really
for
someone
on
ODSP
whose
shelter
component
is
about
it
approaches
$500
a
month
right
now
and
most
people
that
are
on
ODSP
for
better
for
worse
I'm,
not
saying
this
is
a
good
thing
use
a
portion
of
their
living
allowance
towards
their
rent.
Anyway.
That
is
the
reality,
so
in
the
in
the
range
of
what's
the
what's.
D
S
D
So
we
could
be
that
as
we're
moving
into
some
of
these,
for
example,
housing.
Now
that
even
some
of
the
higher
brackets,
if
we
designated
yes
and
I,
don't
even
pay
for
it,
but
just
the
fact
that
in
our
agreements
in
the
future,
if
we
designated
that
it
is
for
people
like
that,
that
would
be
a
big
help.
That.
A
Q
Now,
in
supportive
housing
you
might
just
keep
the
flow
going.
Thank
you
sounds
good,
so
thank
you.
For
the
time
my
name
is
Brian.
Davis
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
healthy
kidney
homes
were
a
Health
funded
entity,
funded
supportive
housing
provider
in
Toronto,
but
I'm
really
here
to
chera
the
Toronto
alliance
and
homelessness
housing
development
working
group
and
has
mostly
vanillaware
a
diverse
group
of
supportive
housing.
Nonprofit
housing
providers
really
dedicated
to
expanding
the
quantity
and
quality
of
rental
housing
stock
and
the
necessary
supports
to
those
exiting
chronic
homelessness.
Q
So,
first
of
all,
I
just
really
want
to
come
in
s
sha
and
the
Housing
Secretariat.
For
this
ambitious,
a
really
comprehensive
plan,
I
could
tell
when
I
read
the
report.
You're
really
left
no
stone
unturned,
but
well
so
we
recognize
that
even
with
no
stone
unturned,
we're
really
falling
short
of
1800
a
year
that
we
want
to
accomplish.
So
we
do
need
to
do
more.
Q
So,
with
this
in
mind,
where
you
look
forward
to
a
stronger
relationship
between
the
nonprofit
housing
sector,
key
city
departments
and
other
levels
of
government
and
I'd
like
to
focus
on
two
specific
areas,
one
is
in
regards
to
city
activities
and
the
open
door
program.
We're
really
pleased
to
see
a
commitment
to
create
a
new
approval
stream
for
nonprofit
providers,
which
was
we
highlighted
in
a
report.
Q
Last
year
we
actually
suggested
we
take
that
a
little
step
further
and
provide
automatic
relief
from
fees,
changes
and
taxes
to
all
qualified
nonprofit
applicants
who
are
creating
permanently
affordable,
supportive
housing.
This
will
remove
a
key
systemic
barrier
where
providers
had
to
put
up
a
lot
of
upfront
money
with
no
assurance
that
the
way
the
fees
would
be
waived,
it
would
also
quicken
the
development
process
for
supportive
housing,
because,
right
now
the
open
door
program
is
on
an
annual
cycle.
Q
Another
key
city
activity,
of
course,
we've
talked
a
lot
today-
is
about
housing
now,
which
is
a
huge
opportunity
to
expand
supportive
housing.
We're
going
to
continue
to
strongly
urge
the
city
to
be
firm
on
a
commitment
to
allocate
one-third
of
the
housing
now
rental
units
overall
to
people
experiencing
homelessness,
enhancing
consideration
to
including
supportive
housing
in
all
11
sites.
We
don't
believe
is
enough.
We
believe
you
should
set
a
target
of
one
third
overall
and
make
it
part
of
the
assessment
review
criteria.
Q
There
is
a
number
of
Health
funded
providers
that
are
eager
to
bring
significant
rent
supplements
and
support
resources
to
the
table.
To
look
at
achieving
that
target
of
one
third
what's
happening
right
now
is
where
we've
been
losing
rent
supplement
units
in
the
for-profit
sector,
so
we're
bleeding
units
in
the
for-profit
sector
where
we
need
to
and
we
want
to
apply
somewhere
housing.
Now,
we
think,
is
a
great
opportunity.
Q
As
for
land
use
approvals
for
2000,
our
2018
report
also
included
recommendation
to
create
a
position
at
the
city
which
it
will
help
expedite
the
approval
process.
This
position
could
be
a
vital
bridge
between
various
city
departments
and,
in
particular,
the
housing
secretary
and
in
planning
the
other
area
that
I
want
to
speak
to
is
just
a
broader
supportive
housing
strategy
and
we're
pleased
to
see
the
acknowledgement
and
the
staff
report
about
the
supportive
housing
growth
plan.
But
for
that
plan
to
succeed,
it's
going
to
take
extensive
collaboration
coordination.
Q
We
know
that
the
federal
government
has
new
multi-year
funding
for
affordable
rentals.
We
know
that
the
province
has
significantly
more
money
for
community
mental
health
supports.
So
what
we're
doing
right
now
is
we're
currently
creating
a
comprehensive
map
of
our
building
assets
that
we
want
to
look
at
renewing
and
expanding.
Q
So
if
we
can
look
at
aligning
better
those
other
levels
of
government
funding
with
our
current
resources,
coupled
with
these
city
activities
like
open
door
and
housing
now,
I
believe
we'll
do
a
much
better
job
in
achieving
the
targets
and
we,
as
providers,
will
have
the
long
term
commitments
required
to
move
development
project
forward.
In
fact,
this
new
coordinating
position
I
refer
to
could
act
as
a
liaison
with
the
Ministry
of
Health
and
other
federal
and
the
federal
government
if
the
city
can
negotiate
this
kind
of
collaboration
with
them.
Q
Q
What
we've
done
is
well,
first
of
all,
so
we
we
meet
mentally,
that's
a
Toronto
mental
health
and
addiction,
supportive
housing
network
and
we've
done
some.
Recent
research
were
in
the
past
two
years.
We've
lost
units
in
the
private
rental
market
what's
happening
is
we
had
leased
the
the
unit
from
a
for-profit
landlord?
Q
You
know
five
ten
years
ago,
when
a
tenant
would
move
on,
we
would
be
able
to
put
in
another
client
of
ours.
What's
happening
now
is
they're
taking
back
those
units,
and
so
we
have
no
place
to
put
those
rent
supplements
and
even
when
we
have
around
sup
mom,
we
run
supplements
they're
in
very
poor
neighborhoods,
very
with
poor
access
and
little
amenities
and.
Q
Q
M
D
D
Q
G
Q
G
And
I
think
we
were
getting
close,
but
I
realized
that
I
had
misspoken
so
under
the
housing
now
report.
A
third
is
home
ownership.
A
third
is
rental,
just
market
rental,
whatever
the
market
can
bear
a
third
of
it
is
supposed
to
be
affordable,
housing
which
is
not
to
exceed
80%
and
then
out
of
that
one.
Third,
the
final
leg
of
the
third
at
least
10%
of
it
was
supposed
to
be
for
the
deeply
affordable.
So
that
brings
us
to
both
370
units
out
of
the
10,000
target
pool
for
those
11
states.
G
I
guess
then
the
challenge
before
us
is
that
that
the
that
the
that
the
initiative
and
the
plan
has
has
just
been
adopted,
and
if
we
were
to
change
that
strategy,
we
would
need
staff
to
report
back
on
what
that
implementation
would
look
like.
And
but
that
is
the,
but
we
don't
do
it.
We're
gonna
miss
an
opportunity,
we'll
release
that
11
parcels
into
the
world
and
and
once
they're
gone
they're
gone,
so
is
it
worth?
Was
it
worthwhile
for
us
to
revisit
the
the
the
housing
now
plan
so.
Q
Q
R
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
rolling
with
those
changes.
Brian
is
our
expert
on
the
development
issues.
So
I
was
happy
to
have
him
here
to
answer
your
questions.
Better
than
I
could
so
I'm
Kira
hi
Nick
I
am
with
the
Toronto
Alliance
to
End,
Homelessness
and
I'm,
going
to
also
weave
in
a
few
comments
that
our
chair,
Mark
Aston,
would
have
made
if
he
was
here,
but
he
wasn't
able
to
stay
so
he's
on
the
list
later
down
and
we
won't.
You
won't,
have
to
go
to
him.
R
So,
as
we
know,
and
as
the
report
reminds
us,
we've
got
about
5,000
people
in
Toronto
who
are
experiencing
chronic
homelessness
and
that
for
most
of
them
the
solution
is
supportive
housing
or
housing
with
supports.
So
with
this
in
mind,
we
congratulate
city
staff
today
on
for
the
progress
evident
in
this
report
and
the
planet
laser
here's.
What
we
are
particularly
encouraged
by
we're
encouraged
that
the
strategies
and
the
plan
really
allow
Toronto
to
step
up
in
terms
of
taking
even
more
leadership
role
visa
via
the
federal
and
provincial
governments.
R
Now
any
municipality
in
Toronto
is
not,
nor
should
it
or
sorry
in
Ontario
is
not,
nor
should
it
be
expected
to
be
the
major
player
in
supportive
housing
and
capital
and
operating
what
we
can
do
and
what
this
plan
does
do
is
make
sure.
The
Toronto
leads
by
example,
committing
a
new
and
focused
ways
what
is
possible
with
its
own
resources,
and
in
doing
so
it
bolsters
our
Carle
Toronto's
call
on
the
other
two
orders
to
do
their
part.
R
This
includes
the
Welcome
pilot
initiative
to
convert
an
existing
shelter
to
permanent
supportive
housing.
It's
hard
not
to
underscore
how
important
this
is
and
how
important
the
commitment
is
to
try
this.
It
truly
is
the
starting
place
of
investing
in
housing
to
end
people's
homelessness.
The
pilot
is
responsibly
conceived,
seeking
to
create
permanent
homes
with
supports
for
people
already
living
quote-unquote
in
shelters
some
for
10
years
or
longer.
It
will
not
displace
anyone.
It
will
create
a
more
dignified
and
healthy
environment
for
people,
it
cost
less
money
and
it'll
test
out
a
new
operating
model.
R
So
we
are
very
pleased
with
that
and
encouraged
act
that
action
to
go
forward.
We're
also
pleased
seeing
the
report
the
central
role
of
the
coordinated
access
to
housing
and
supports,
in
particular,
its
collection
and
use
of
data
to
make
responsive
decisions
in
real
time
about
how
to
meet
the
needs
of
people
experiencing
homelessness
so
that
they
get
the
right,
housing
and
supports
at
the
right
time.
R
And,
finally,
its
articulation
of
how
increasing
access
to
permanent
homes
for
people
experiencing
homelessness
will
increase
the
flow
through
our
emergency
and
respite
systems
flow,
meaning
more
movement
when
once
people
enter
into
homelessness,
to
get
them
out,
moves
us
closer
to
our
collective
goal.
That
homelessness
become
rare,
brief
and
non-recurring.
R
R
So,
let's
move
to
what
we
think
could
be
strengthened
in
the
plan
and
what
we'd
like
to
see
more
of
one
is
to
increase
the
pressure
on
the
provincial
and
federal
governments.
This
is
a
job
for
all
of
us
and
we
are
pursuing
what
we
can
do
in
meetings
in
delegations
with
the
other
orders
of
government
and
I
will
be
back
in
a
moment
to
speak
to
the
next
item.
Just
to
encourage
that
that
intergovernmental
work
we
do
believe
there
can
be
additional
commitments
from
Toronto
itself.
R
As
I
said,
the
report
does
call
on
other
orders
of
government,
but
we
were
very
pleased
to
note
in
the
report
that
it
includes
the
city
itself
when
it
states
quote
that
additional
tri-level
government
investments
are
needed,
so
it
doesn't
let
Toronto
off
the
hook
and
one
strategy.
We
urge
this
committee
to
consider
in
this
area
and
to
bring
forward
to
the
next
council
meeting
is
to
set
aside
a
dedicated
allocation
for
permanent,
affordable,
deeply,
affordable
and
supportive
housing
in
the
city
building
fund.
R
R
Thirdly,
we
do
think
that,
as
many
have
said
before
me,
that
housing
now
can
be
improved
to
create
more
supportive
housing.
We
do
recommend
a
general
30%
of
all
units
not
of
every
site
necessarily
but
of
the
overall
units
be
committed
to
the
creation
of
supportive
housing
and
I
should
say.
That's
30
percent
of
all
rental
units
just
to
if
that
helps
clear
things
up.
We
also
recommend
that
housing
now
work
with
the
Toronto
supportive
housing
providers,
which
I'm
starting
to
repeat
Brian
a
little
bit
so
I'll
just
underscore
that
that
is
important
too.
R
We
know
we
have
a
lot
of
people
of
agencies
funded
by
the
province
with
their
rents,
ups,
that
with
better
coordination
and
targeting
them
to
the
right
people.
We
can
do
more
and
we're
looking
forward
to
seeing
the
results
of
the
current
call
for
proposals
for
housing
now
and
looking
to
see
how
many
new
supportive
housing
units
are
approved
for
construction
again
to
see
if
the
city
is
able
to
go
beyond
that
minimum
10%.
R
We
welcome
the
arrival
of
the
new
executive
director
of
the
housing,
Secretariat
Abbi
bond
to
the
city
and
to
our
work,
and
we
look
very
much
forward
to
working
closely
and
continuing
to
work
with
her
team
to
keep
leveraging
as
many
new
supportive
housing
options
as
possible.
And
finally,
this
is
what
Mark
would
have
said
if
he
could
have
stayed.
We
really
believe
that
this
plan
can
increase
opportunities
to
address
youth
homelessness.
R
We
know
that
30%
of
people
experience
their
first
instance
of
homelessness
as
children
or
youth,
and
that
is
over
60%
if
you're
currently
outside
and
of
the
youth
who
are
currently
homeless.
43
percent
of
them
are
chronically
homeless,
meaning
that
they
are
our
target
group
for
people
that
need
supports
and
supportive
housing,
33%
of
them
not
of
the
43
percent,
but
33
percent
of
all
youth
experiencing
homelessness
all
have
been
homeless
for
more
than
12
months.
R
D
K
Thanks
for
being
here
and
I
noted
in
the
report,
it
talks
about
the
motel
properties.
Yes,
and
it
says
that
the
acquisition
of
these
properties
doesn't
appear
to
be
something
that
could
happen.
There's
a
large
number
of
families
and
and
singles
that
are
housed
in
the
motels
on
Kingston
Road.
Are
there
not
I
believe?
R
R
A
R
D
So
Kara
I
just
I'm,
really
trying
to
understand
the
commitments
that
we
have
and
how
we
make
sure
that
we
have
that
we
go
towards
those
commitments,
so
we
have
40,000
units
in
our
hot
plan
we've
committed
to
have
18,000
dedicated
to
staff,
so
it's
way
more
than
one-third.
Actually,
yes,
so
and
now
we're
doing
our
implementation
plan
and
we're
gonna
be
doing.
You
know
we're
gonna
be
working
with
all
of
the
stakeholders
and
so
on
how
we're
gonna,
you
know,
translate
all
that
into
reality.
D
All
I'm
trying
to
understand
is
so
those
18,000
units,
so
our,
for
example.
Our
housing
now
has
an
average
of
80%
AMR
with
a
minimum
of
10%,
so
we're
starting
to
see
bids
that
have
some
at
40%
some
at
60%,
some
at
80%,
so
there's
a
huge
mix
which
is
actually
healthy
and
good.
But
if,
if
we
allocate
a
whole
bunch
of
Units,
even
at
60%
and
80%
and
the
40%
to
the
supportive
housing
section,
you
guys
can
work
with
that.
That's
that's
good.
D
R
Is
my
understanding
as
well
as
I
said,
Brian
would
be
more
of
the
expert
and
I'd
be
happy
to
bring
them
back
up
if
that
would
help
clarify
I.
Think,
though,
as
well
that
there's
something
not
symbolically
but
there's
something
important
around
demonstrating
leadership
when
the
city
says
okay
of
these
11
sites,
we
want
to
demonstrate
our
commitment
to
increasing
access
to
supportive
housing
by
targeting
a
minimum
number,
the
10%
of
the
30%,
which,
as
you
said,
leaves
us
with
wonder
for
that's.
D
D
Yeah
you're
telling
me
yes,
that
you
as
long
as
you
have
the
supportive
services
from
the
province
that,
yes,
you
can
work
with
that
you're
now,
working
with
private
sector
landlords,
so
I'm
trying
to
understand,
which
one
is
that
it's
at
only
40%,
that
is
considered
supportive
housing.
Or
can
you
guys
work
with
other
ones
as
well,
I
think.
R
Right
either
nonprofit
or
in
partnership
has
been
said,
and
the
report
does
talk
about
enhancing
considerations.
We
know
it's,
we
need
to
do
some
more
work
or
you
all
need
to
do
some.
Some
new
work
as
bond
needs
an
opportunity
to
play
with
with
housing
now
but
we'd
like
to.
Perhaps
there
could
be
a
place
to
make
nonprofit
developers
more
competitive
if
they're
providing
the
kind
of
access.
R
G
G
Who
do
require
supportive
housing
is
because
they
cannot
live
independently
on
their
own.
Without
these
the
the
range
of
wraparound
supports.
Yes,
some
of
those
supports
can
be
can
be
light
and
you
perhaps
a
date,
a
visit
once
a
week,
perhaps
from
a
health
practitioner.
Yes
or
sometimes
it
requires
multiple
visits
a
day
from
a
range
of
practitioners.
G
Is
that
not
correct,
absolutely
and,
and
so
that
generally
means
that
whoever
is
whoever
is
requiring
supportive
housing,
whether
they're
coming
out
of
street
and
devolved
activity,
or
perhaps
the
homelessness
or
or
perhaps
just
a
low-income,
individual,
perhaps
living
with
antero
disabilities,
whatever
that,
whatever
the
criteria
that
says
sort
of
wrapped
around
an
individual
most
likely,
they
are
living
below
the
poverty
line.
Is
that
correct,
mostly
yeah,
so
so
having
affordable
rents,
whether
it's
sixty
or
four,
perhaps
even
forty
percent,
an
AMR
that
is
still
going
to
be
very
expensive
for
that
individual?
G
Is
that
not
correct?
Yes?
So
so,
if
we
are
going
to
truly
make
it
work
for
those
who
require
affordable
housing,
then
we're
going
to
wait.
Then
we
need
to
to
make
sure
that
it's
it's
it's
the
number.
That's
deep:
it's
it's!
The
quantum
that's
going
to
be
deeply
affordable,
which
is
the
370
allocation
out
of
the
ten
thousand,
but
but
the
370
allocation,
or
the
ten
thousand
is
going
to
fall
short
of
meeting
that
overall
goal
of
1,800
units
a
year
yeah.
R
It
and
I
think
we've
all
been
learning
a
lot
more
since
then
about
how
this
plays
together
and
and
one
piece
that
we
haven't
talked
about,
which
also
I
think
problem.
We
plays
a
role,
is
the
part
of
housing,
tÃo
commitment
to
redefine
affordability
and
what
we
mean
by
deeply
affordable
in
the
city,
moving
away
from
it
being
linked
to
AMR,
so
that
there
may
be
another
opportunity
to
update
or
refine
housing
now,
based
on
some
of
the
work
done
in
housing.
T
Thank
you
very
much
for
having
me
here
and
hello
members
of
the
Planning
and
Housing
Committee.
My
name
is
mr.
Richard
Rayburn
I'm,
with
the
member
advocacy
committee
at
st.
Stephen's,
Community
House
I'm
speaking
with
you
today
about
supportive
housing.
This
is
a
top
priority
for
many
participants
at
st.
Stephen's.
We
took
part
in
the
2010
consultations
for
housing
opportunities
Toronto.
At
the
time
we
called
for
2000
new
units
of
supportive
housing
a
year
to
be
created
by
the
City
of
Toronto.
This
call
was
made
by
the
Wellesley
Institute
and
we
supported
it.
T
Every
day
we
steep
people
at
our
corner
drop-in
and
in
our
overdose
prevention
site
who
need
supportive
housing.
Their
struggle
is
with
poverty,
homelessness,
addictions,
mental
health
issues,
trauma
and
physical
disabilities.
Supportive
housing
would
actually
save
money,
as
people
would
not
end
up
on
the
street
in
jail
and
in
the
hospital
emergency
rooms
they
would
spend
less
time
in
shelters.
We've
seen
supportive
housing
help
people
to
stabilize
and
become
engaged
community
members.
I
know
when
I
first
came
here
well,
nearly
18
years
ago
from
Montreal
Quebec.
T
It
was
a
little
difficult
to
find
a
place,
and
you
know
I
settled
on
one
of
those
small
closet,
space,
rooming
houses,
and
it
was
difficult
and
discouraging
because
even
though
it
was
geared
to
income,
there
was
a
lot
of
action
going
on,
especially
when
it
came
into
gangs
and
and
whatnot,
and
this
is
just
in
the
annex
so
I'm.
You
know,
I
would
like
to
see
improvement
on
that
level,
but
at
the
same
time,
we'd
like
to
see
more
supportive
housing
built
by
the
city
every
year
to
adjust
the
knee.
T
We
see
this
need
has
exploded
in
the
last
decade
and
as
part
of
homeless,
of
a
homelessness
crisis
that
only
worsen
as
time
goes
on.
We
would
like
you
one
again
to
commit
to
building
the
2,000
units
supporting
supportive
housing
every
year,
like,
for
example,
at
home,
was
one
good
program
that
was
actually
able
to
help
quite
a
few
people,
including
myself,
when
I
was
volunteering
with
st.
T
Stephen's
and
trying
to
actually
get
a
better
living
environment
that
was
well
adjusted
for
my
income
and,
of
course,
at
home,
still
has
a
very
good
track
record
because
they
also
have
the
services
that
are
provided
for
the
tenant.
So,
let's
say
if
the
tenant
does
have
maybe
some
issues
with
health.
Obviously
the
next
step
would
be
in
at
least
sending
that
tenant
to
the
right
channels
and
right
people.
Now
we
do
see.
T
One
issue
that
is
a
great
concern
to
us
is
that
you,
you
have
identified
the
possibility
of
converting
a
shelter
site
into
supportive
housing
for
long-term
shelter
stairs.
This
is
basically
taking
from
one
budget,
which
is
already
underfunded
and
putting
the
funds
into
the
supportive
housing
budget.
We
know
that
shelters
operate
at
100
percent
capacity
and
need
more
funding.
It
does
not
make
sense
to
close
a
shelter
down.
The
funding
must
come
from
somewhere
else.
T
The
same
problem
comes
up
when
you
talk
about
converting
a
hundred
units
of
public
housing
in
te
CH
C
sub
into
supportive
housing.
The
new
supportive
housing
must
add
to
the
overall
number
of
housing
units
not
keep
the
total
the
same
overall.
So
with
that,
we
are
looking
forward
to
working
with
you.
We
shouldn't
have
to
have
an
American
musician,
come
down
here
and
say:
hey
I'm
gonna
make
buildings
in
Toronto
I
know
it's
not.
T
T
Stephen's,
which
is
the
housing
and
mortality
study,
because
we
do
have
also,
unfortunately,
situations
where
folks
can
get
housed,
but
they
are
still
dying
either
because
they
don't
have
the
right
kind
of
support
system
to
help
them
through
right
that
along
with
well,
if
you
don't
have
enough
money-
and
maybe
if
someone
is
on
$800
of
an
Ontario
disability
check
and
their
rent
is
like
$1,000,
they
could
only
hope
and
pray
that
they
get
some
type
of
assistance
with
housing
first
or
an
at-home
study.
So.
D
T
D
C
C
My
name
is
Sean
Maher
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
housing
issues
Network,
which
is
a
network
of
35
housing
providers,
advocacy
organizations
and
research
groups,
as
well
as
people
with
lived
experience
and
first
off
I,
just
want
to
say:
congratulations
eed,
as
one
of
our
members
said
at
the
discussion
we
just
had
about
this
report,
it's
nice
to
see
supportive
housing
getting
this
kind
of
attention
from
City
Council.
These
are
great
goals.
C
It's
a
comprehensive
look
and
we're
excited
to
see
that
that
said,
the
implementation
strategy
is
a
serious
concern
for
the
folks
in
our
network
and
I
think
as
you've
heard
today,
folks,
all
across
the
city,
largely
because
the
resources
that
you
need
to
meet
this
aren't
really
independently
there
to
achieve
this
goal.
This
set
of
plans
with
its
many
virtues,
relies
largely
on
taking
existing
units
and
deploying
them
for
supportive
housing,
supportive
housing.
We
desperately
need,
but
to
make
this
work
in
a
sustainable
way.
C
That's
just
the
unavoidable
mathematical
consequence
of
the
low
vacancy
environment
that
we're
working
in
that
absolutely
means
a
predictable
capital
funding
stream
from
the
city.
That's
going
go
forward
basis
to
provide
a
way
to
build
the
new
units
that
make
up
for
the
units
that
are
being
cannibalized
to
achieve
the
goals
of
this
report.
C
When
you
look
at
the
weather
report
draws
on
I
think
that's
pretty
inescapable.
It
draws,
as
Richard
just
said,
on
shelter
beds,
but
our
shelters
are
totally
full.
Providing
more
supportive
housing
is
a
great
way
to
reduce
the
extent
that
they're
full,
but
we
certainly
can't
be
doing
that
until
we've
met
the
capacity
requirements
of
those
existing
shelters
and
that's
not
something
that
we
have
been
able
to
do.
It
draws
on
tcht
units
and
CC.
Hc
is
a
great
environment
for
building
this
kind
of
affordable
housing,
but
TC
HC
still
has
a
waiting
list.
C
That
is
pretty
long,
and
it
has
been
growing
steadily
over
the
last
decade,
consistently
with
a
lots
of
fir
Grove.
It
got
a
little
bit
longer,
so
we
will
need
to
replace
those
units
somehow
and
the
area
where
we
rely
most
for
the
addition
of
units
is
in
turning
to
the
Greater
Toronto
Apartment
Association,
to
get
landlords
to
free
up
about
200
units
right
now,
landlords
are
renting
to
people
with
perfect
rental
histories
and
great
credit
scores,
and
they
are
renting
everything
that
they
want
to
rent
without
having
to
look
at
anybody
else.
C
That
is
especially
clear
when
you
hear
from
the
supportive
housing
providers
who
came
and
spoke
today
and
others
who
are
out
there,
who
will
tell
you
that
there
are
literally
hundreds
of
rent
supplements
seeking
exactly
those
same
units
right
now
and
so
trying
to
add.
200
more
to
that
list
is
not
a
realistic
mechanism
for
providing
for
supportive
housing.
I
want
to
display
the
fact
that
that
particular
component
of
the
plan
is
a
very
big
concern.
C
There
has
been
an
increasing
reliance
on
the
private
sector
to
provide
the
affordable
housing
we
need,
and
the
evidence
is
pretty
consistent
in
showing
that
we
pay
more
and
get
less
with
that
mechanism
through
open
door.
We
have
prayed
private
developers
about
twice
what
we
pay
nonprofit
developers
for
every
month
of
affordability
that
we
get
at
Mirvish
Village.
The
federal
government
got
266
units
at
rents
of
$2,000
a
month
for
10
years
in
exchange
for
200
million
dollars
enough
to
build
800
nonprofit
units
at
80%
of
market
rent
in
perpetuity.
C
As
some
of
the
committee
members
around
here
noted
earlier
today,
we
are
not
getting
the
mileage
out
of
our
resources
that
we
could
get
if
we
applied
our
funds
most
effectively.
The
taxpayers,
as
well
as
homeless
people
in
Toronto
would
benefit
a
lot
if
we
did
that
to
a
counselor
by
allows
earlier
question
about
the
relationship
between
the
needed
units
and
the
proposed
units
at
forty
and
eighty
percent
of
market
rent.
That
relationship
is
really
clear.
C
So
the
ideal
augmentation
to
this
very
strong
and
forward-looking
report
on
a
badly
needed
supply
of
supportive
housing
is
to
create
to
clearly
identify
an
annual,
predictable
investment
of
real
City
dollars
to
actual
purpose-built,
affordable,
bricks-and-mortar
units
so
that
we
don't
have
to
cannibalize
ones
we
have
but
need
in
order
to
create
supportive
homes
and
to
do
so
in
the
most
cost
effective
way
by
adequately
leveraging
the
nonprofit
sector
to
create
them.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
B
By
the
way,
guys,
this
is
the
best
guy
in
Navy
he's
helped
a
lot
of
accessibility.
If
it
wasn't
for
people
like
him,
these
tables
wouldn't
exist.
It's
something
I
fought
for
I,
admit
so
very
simply
put
what
is
supportive
housing
I
know
what
it
is.
You
know
what
it
is,
but
what
is
it
honestly?
I
asked
this
for
two
questions.
One
I
have
a
close
friend.
He
lives
in
a
building.
He
was
one
that
he
came
out
of
homelessness.
He
came
out
of
living
in
motels.
B
He
was
put
into
this
unit
on
dodge
Road,
this
particular
building
in
dogs
on
dodge
road
and,
if
you're,
the
counselor
for
that
area,
you
know
the
exact
building.
It's
been
a
problem
to
this
city
for
years
and
years
and
years
he
goes
through
bug
Springs
every
few
months.
He
gets
no
help.
He
has
no
support,
he's
totally
blind.
B
He
doesn't
know
I'm
here,
but
I
know
his
situation.
What
he's
been
through
from
day
one?
Where
are
the
supportive
services
for
people
with
disabilities
who
are
put
in
these
ready
supplements,
slash
supportive,
supportive
housing
buildings
where's?
The
community
wraparound
supports,
not
everyone
that
come
out
comes
out
of
homelessness
is
able-bodied
or
simple
disabilities.
They
can
do
things
in
40,
different
languages,
but
God
forbid.
You
need
Braille
or
large
print.
It's
experience.
I've
had
within
the
shelter
system
as
well.
I
had
to
take
the
shelter
system
to
the
city.
B
Ombudsman
I
am
one
of
the
victims
of
the
Toronto,
affordable
housing
strategy.
I'm
now,
in
a
place
where
I
have
no
supports
all
my
services
are
gone.
My
community
is
gone.
We're
fully
isolated
with
nothing
closest
food
bank
is
an
hour
and
a
half
away
or
three
buses
come
to
Toronto,
but
that's
even
hard,
because
unfortunately,
TTC
doesn't
like
the
fact
that,
when
you're,
blind
or
legally
blind
and
you
live
outside
the
city,
you
have
to
pay
full
fare
in
Toronto.
B
Unless
you
live
here,
but
supportive
housing
needs
to
be
more
than
just
a
rent
supplement.
I
know
many
of
you
realize
this
that
you
want
to
do
a
40%,
Amr
and
I've,
been
here
on
every
topic,
because
who
else
in
wheelchairs
is
gonna
show
up
to
these
meetings?
Very
rarely.
Anyone
but
me
shows
up
who's
in
a
wheelchair
and
fights
for
things.
B
Odsp
for
two
people
multiply
disabled
to
seven
hundred
and
sixty
nine
dollars
a
month,
maximum
rent
subsidy.
If
you
have
an
intercom
and
your
building
needs
to
use
a
phone,
they
won't
pay
for
it.
If
you're
on
that,
Mac's
right,
if
you
we
pay
for
medical
supplies,
I
have
to
pay
for
my
test
trips
for
my
diabetes,
because
we
only
are
allowed
two
hundred
dollars,
two
hundred
of
them
a
year.
B
B
Many
I
was
forced
out
of
where
I
was
in
an
assisted
living
apartment
and
Kristyn
wong-tam
award.
Well,
her
new
part
of
reward
supportive,
assisted
living
I
was
forced
out
due
to
rent
increases,
I'm,
also
a
disabled,
not
just
a
wheelchair.
You
guys
know
me
around
here,
but
you
don't
know
my
story.
You
don't
know
people
like
me
that
have
been
forced
out
of
their
homes
out
of
their
communities
out
of
their
support
networks.
B
It's
gonna
happen
more.
If
you
don't
start
dealing
with
this
supportive
housing
is
great
for
chronically
homeless
I've
been
homeless.
You
only
have
four
rooms
in
this
city
for
couples
that
are
multiple
e
disabled
and
when
you're
in
that
shelter,
an
east-end
family
res,
they
don't
know
where
to
go
for
housing
for
people,
disabilities,
I,
don't
do
large.
Printer
Braille
I
have
taken
to
the
Ombudsman.
So
if
I've
got
to
take
them
to
the
announcement,
how
do
I
know
it's?
Supportive
housing
is
really
gonna
support.
B
D
P
My
name
hello,
everyone
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak.
My
name
is
Isabella
gap,
I'm
a
member
of
a
corner,
as
you
can
see,
but
I'm
also
the
founder
and
organizer
of
proof
protecting
ODSP
own
W
funding,
I'm,
also
a
LAN
or
DSP
myself
I'm.
Also,
a
tenant
of
TC
HC
prior
to
living
into
CCAC
I
did
have
the
housing
allowance
program
and
I
had
it
for
for
a
few
years.
P
For
eight
years,
the
first
five
years
I
got
five
hundred
dollars
towards
my
rent,
after
that
it
got
cut
down
to
250
and
for
that
for
the
and
then
I
had
to
make
up
the
difference
out
of
my
special
out
of
my
basic
needs
so
and
then
I
had
problems
with
other
tenants,
so
I
waited
20
years
for
Toronto
housing.
I
had
to
change
my
application
at
least
20
times
and
to
finally
get
into
Toronto
housing.
P
P
P
They
said
there
were
no
problem
with
noise,
so
I
signed
the
lease
I've
had
nothing
but
noise
since
I
moved
in
you
know,
I
put
in
so
many
nice
comments
proven
to
management
and
not
and
security
to
different
times.
I've
proven
that
noise
in
the
bedrooms
cannot
be
heard
in
the
hallway,
so
you
can
call
security
when
you're
getting
woken
up
in
your
bedroom,
all
the
time
and
they're
turning
around
said.
Well,
you
know
what
the
security
went
and
looked
for
them
and
they
couldn't
find
it.
You
know
what
we're
not
dealing
with.
P
P
They
finally
gave
me
a
wheelchair
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
but
you
know
what
that's
not
even
set
up
properly,
so
I
can't
even
use
that
it's
sitting
in
my
house
I've,
just
after
fighting
for
that.
You
know
at
my
doctor
putting
in
four
times
for
a
wheelchair
and
then
then
we're
gonna
deny
even
again,
but
my
work
is
put
in
for
for
an
appeal
and
I
ain't
planning
gave
it
to
me.
So
that's
that's
odd.
Now
about
the
noise
problems.
You
know.
P
Security
can
go
and
knock
on
somebody's
door
that
where
the
noise
is
coming
out,
but
these
people
do
not
have
to
answer
the
door
say:
they're
not
even
have
to
open
their
door,
they
don't
have
to
say
anything.
They
can
just
keep
the
music
going
and
nothing
gets
done.
You
know
I've
watched
I've
watched
when
I
took
my
dog
out
in
the
morning
at
6:00.
In
the
morning,
I've
watched
two
guys
have
carried
an
unconscious
woman
into
that
building
at
200,
Wellesley
and
I
watched
security.
P
You
sit
there
and
do
nothing,
and
you
know
not
even
ask
if
what's
wrong
with
this
woman
who
maybe
they
should
be
calling
an
ambulance
to
make
sure
that
this
woman
is
not
being
sex
trafficked.
You
know
these
are
problems
that
are
internal
housing
that
are
being
ignored.
You
know
this
is
why
you
know
I
agree
that
we
need
affordable
housing
at
the
moment,
but
I
would
personally
love
to
see
affordable
subsidized
right
here.
P
Income
housing
take
the
friggin
and
throw
it
in
the
garbage,
because
it's
not
helping
anyone
and
just
keeps
people
in
poverty
and
keeps
us
more
stressed
out
and
angry
and
miserable.
You
know
because
I
can't
move
other
trials.
You
know
I'm
trapped,
I'm
trapped.
How
do
I
get
a
place
to
live,
where
I
can
get
some
sleep
more
than
what
in
two
nights
a
week?
How
do
I
do
that?
I
can't
move
up
because
there's
only
on
the
rents
out,
you
know,
rent
to
shelter.
P
Allowance
for
disability
is
497
a
month,
even
if
you
double
it
as
I'm
asking
that's
994,
you
know
what
that's
still
short
for
renting
a
one-bedroom
or
a
bachelor
apartment.
You
want
you're
talking
about
a
homeless
people
and
these
units
that
you're
gonna
make
for
affordable
housing
for
10,000
units
over
ten
years.
You
know
what
there's
10,000
all
those
people
right
now
that
are
visible,
there's
30,000
homeless
that
are
unvisible
that
are
Coach
surfing
around
Toronto
I'm
gonna.
Ask
you
to
wrap
up,
but
you
know
everybody
else
got
12
minutes.
P
P
Know
what
their
parents
don't
get
done?
I've
got
a
hole
in
my
wall
in
my
bachelor
woods
before
three
weeks,
I
got
lucky
issues:
I
have
multiple
I,
have
16
different
permanent
disability
illnesses
that,
if
any
one
that
won't
keep
me
on
disability,
you
know
I
get
up
and
I
walk
and
I
fight.
You
know
because
nobody
else
will
fight
for
me.
I
shouldn't
have
to
there
should
be
able
bodied
people
like
everybody
in
this
room
fighting
for
us.
Thank
you.
D
P
There
anything
the
nylon
housing
better.
Let
me
finish
it.
Everybody
else
has
a
chance.
Why
can't
I
have
a
chance?
You
know
if
you
want
to
make
sure
on
housing,
weren't,
more
livable
and
more
enjoyable,
and
so
people
take
more
pride
in
living
there.
Then
you
let
them
eat
their
front
door,
so
they
have
a
little
bit
of
ownership,
a
little
bit
of
pride
in
their
unit.
What
is
wrong
with
doing
that?
Why
does
everybody
have
to
feel
like
them?
I
get
this
all
the
time.
P
D
A
To
the
chair:
yes,
that's
a
really
interesting
question.
The
housing,
Secretariat
and
I
have
already
started
talking
about
what
that
might
look
like,
there's,
clearly
an
economic
argument
to
be
made
for
supportive
housing,
especially
when
we
have
20%
of
our
shelter
system
or
about
5,000
people
every
year,
using
the
shelter
system
as
housing.
It
is
much
makes
much
more
sense,
both
from
a
human
perspective,
but
also
a
financial
perspective,
to
provide
proper
housing.
Okay,
how.
A
So
the
the
complete
number
is
hard
to
know
because
there's
not
one
service
system
manager
as
there
is
or
shelter.
What
we
do
know
is
that
the
City
of
Toronto
administers
just
over
10,000
supportive
housing
apartments
in
the
city.
This
total
amount
of
funding
that
flows
through
us
is
about
70
million
dollars
about
20
million
of
that
is
City
money,
but
the
majority
of
that
20
million
was
actually
part
of
legacy
programs
and
we
were
mandated
to
provide
some
cost-sharing.
A
D
Ok
and
on
as
we
are
working
on
the
implementation
of
the
housing
plan
that
is
coming
in
June,
because
how
we're
gonna
deliver
affordable
housing,
but
also
these
units
you're
gonna,
be
able
to
delineate
and
and
give
us
a
little
bit
more
in
depth
at
how
all
these
units
are
going
to
come
online.
Can
we
expect
that
as
well.
B
Yes,
through
the
chair
is
our
aim
to
provide
a
more
comprehensive
view
of
how
those
18,000
units
will
be
delivered
through
the
implementation
plan,
but
we're
not
waiting
for
that.
We're
also
trying
to
progress
the
delivery
of
supportive
housing
through
the
housing
now
initiative
and
specifically
through
the
these
sites,
which
are
currently
negotiation.
We
hope
to
report
back
to
Council
on
that,
with
the
results
of
our
learnings
and
the
results
of
those
negotiations.
Yeah.
D
And
we've
been
working
with
the
sector,
the
supportive
housing
providers,
because
I
think
we're
I
mean
what
it
sounds
to
me
is
that
we're
entering
into
a
territory
that
we
haven't
been
before
being
a
lot
more
involved
and
delivering
these,
so
I
think
that
we
all
really
need
to
work
together
to
do
a
good
job
of
delivering.
What
actually,
if
the
housing
providers
need,
so
that
dialogue
is
really
important.
Is
that
happening?
Is
there
yeah.
B
We're
definitely
starting
that
the
housing
tio
plan
identifies
in
a
number
of
different
places,
called
for
us
to
work
very
closely
with
the
nonprofit
and
housing
sector,
specifically
around
actions
to
deal
with
homelessness
and,
of
course,
supportive.
Housing
is
one
of
the
most
effective
ways
to
respond
to
that
crisis.
B
So
we're
going
to
be
initiating
a
number
of
different
actions
under
that
plan
to
help
us
deliver
more
supportive
housing
and
to
involve
our
partners
in
bringing
both
their
money
that
they've
received
through
federal
and
provincial
dollars,
but
also
getting
more
money
from
those
levels
of
government
to
deliver
on
supportive
housing.
Thank.
G
A
No,
but
we're
looking
at
the
different
sites
that
we
have
and
talking
with
some
of
the
operators
that
operate
the
current
shelters
to
make
sure
that
the
person
that
or
the
unit
that
selected
has
an
operator
that's
used
to
doing
housing
and
also
what
the
impact
would
be
on
the
people
that
are
currently
there.
Ideally,
what
you'd
want
to
do
is
have
a
program
that
has
long-term
shelter
uses
currently
there
that
don't
have
to
experience
any
change
in
their
living
accommodation,
except
for
how
we
fund
it
and.
G
Because
council
has
set
a
goal
of
1,000
you,
it's
shelters
to
be
produced,
shelter
beds
to
be
produced.
If,
if
you
convert
a
shelter
into
supportive
housing
and
by
way
of
just
pulling
a
number
out
of
the
air
100
shelter
beds,
does
that
does
that
mean
you
have
to
then
in
reintroduce
that
1000
shelter
beds
was
1001?
Because
what
would
what
would
the
accounting
look
like
here?
I.
A
Think
it
would
probably
depend
on
the
site
that
ended
up
getting
selected
if
we
identified
one
of
the
sites
that
is
part
of
the
thousand
bed
project.
We'd
probably
have
to
talk
about
it
as
we've
delivered
on
a
thousand
new
spaces,
900
of
which
a
shelter
and
100
of
which
are
housing.
But
if
it's
a
site
where
that's
already
currently
a
shelter,
then
that
would
be
separate
from
that.
It
really
depends
on
how
that
identification
of
the
site.
It
goes.
Ok,.
G
Thank
you,
and
just
because
we
have
the
chance,
because
Abigail
welcome
to
this
committee,
nice,
to
see
you
with
respect
to
the
city
of
Toronto's
current
approach.
I
I
recognize
you
just
got
here,
so
it
may
not
be
an
entirely
fair
question,
but
I'm
just
so
curious,
as
all
we've
ever
heard,
was
that
Vancouver's
been
able
to
achieve
a
whole
number
of
objectives
that
the
City
Hall
has
not.
G
Perhaps
it's
because
you
had
three
orders
of
government
all
talking
about
housing
at
roughly
the
same
time
and
we've
been
focused
on
transit
for
for
the
past
decade.
Now
we're
talking
about
housing
and
with
the
same
type
of
energy,
and
so
what
do
we
need
to
do
at
the
City
of
Toronto,
based
on
what
you're
seeing
just
early
days
in
order
for
us
to
achieve
our
milestones?
Because
right
now,
we've
said
a
lot
of
targets,
but
we've
quick,
we've
consistently
fallen
short
I'm.
B
So,
specifically,
in
relation
to
supportive
housing,
the
success
that
Vancouver
has
experienced
over
the
last
decade,
where
they've
been
able
to
bring
approximately
over
2,000
units
of
new
supportive
housing
on
stream,
is
largely
because
of
the
partnership
between
the
city
and
the
provincial
government,
where
the
city
will
provide
land
and
the
provincial
government
will
provide
the
capital
and
also
the
operating
dollars
and
then
so
the
contracts
with
the
nonprofit
providers,
who
then
provide
supports
in
this
building.
So
that's
been
a
very
effective
partnership.
B
G
B
Federal
partnership:
the
federal
government
has
been
a
more
recent
actor
at
the
table
with
regards
to
those
discussions.
But
yes,
in
recent
times
they
have
been
involved.
They
provided
Innovation
Fund
money
to
trial
modular
housing
in
Vancouver,
which
was
a
unique
form
of
new
supportive
housing,
but
increasingly
through
their
Co
investment
fund
and
their
rental
financing
initiative.
Those
things
are
very
important
factors
in
municipalities
being
able
to
deliver
rental
housing
more
cheaply,
more
affordable
and
more
able
to
deliver
to
the
needs
of
their
population.
G
And
just
so
I
understand
because
it's
important
for
us
to
set
targets
so
therefore
we
know
baseline.
This
is
where
we
are
in
ten
years.
This
is
what
we'd
like
to
achieve
was
that
the
City
of
Vancouver
is
objective
to
achieve
the
2,000
units
of
new
supportive
housing
over
a
10-year
period.
Was
that
your
goal-
and
it
sounds
like
if
it
was
then
you
met
it
or
was
that
just
what
you
would
be?
But
your
goal
was
5,000.
B
So
the
city
had
a
number
of
targets.
Original
target
was
around
1500
unit
that
was
delivered
over
about
a
five
to
seven
year
period
and
more
recently
the
target
is
around
six
hundred
units
a
year.
The
city
has
not
been
able
to
achieve
all
of
the
funding
for
all
of
those
who's
on
an
ongoing
basis,
but
they
did
deliver
through
that
partnership,
six
hundred
units
and
they
believe
there
are
about
another
three
hundred
that
are
under
negotiation
right
now.
B
C
C
This
report,
I
think,
represents
a
very
big
step
forward
and
I
think
it's.
It
represents
a
big
step
forward
because,
as
a
city,
we
can
end
chronic
homelessness,
not
on
our
own,
with
all
levels
of
government
but
ending
chronic
homelessness.
The
situation
whereby
people
are
living
in
shelters
is
possible
and
can
be
done.
Can
we
end
homelessness?
.,
I'm
sad
to
say
with
all
the
upstream
factors
at
play.
C
We
cannot
not
right
now,
but
we
can
ensure
that
when
people
are
homeless,
as
our
staff
tell
us
again
and
again
and
again,
it
is
brief,
it
is
rare
and
it
is
reoccurring,
and
so
what
does
success?
Look
like
going
forward.
Success
looks
like
is
a
situation
whereby
people
are
not
falling
into
the
homelessness
trap
whereby
we
as
a
city
are
building
shelters,
but
there
is
no
pathway
out
of
the
shelters,
and
so
that
requires-
and
we
just
heard
from
our
new
executive
director-
of
the
housing
secretariat
from
the
bc
example
all
levels
of
government.
C
I
want
to
thank
the
chair
of
this
committee
for
her
unwavering
support
on
this
and
I
know.
There
was
an
amendment
coming
that
I've
worked
with
the
chair
on
and
we've
been
rolling
the
rock
up
the
hill
on
supportive
housing
as
a
council
for
a
number
of
years,
and
this
is
a
big
step
to
help
get
it
over
the
ledge
and
keep
it
moving
forward.
Thank
you.
E
We
heard
from
mr.
mehar
and
and
also
similarly
from
councillor,
Krusty,
that
we
we
as
a
city
could
be
taking
action
here
and
need
to
maybe
push
the
envelope
a
little
bit.
So
I
was
sitting
here
thinking,
okay,
how
big
is
the
envelope?
What's
the
size
of
the
challenge
we
have,
and
you
know,
God
bless
city
staff
for
trying
to
explain
the
alphabet
soup
of
federal
and
provincial
programs,
which
seem
to
get
renamed
every
year
and
the
rules
get
changed
every
six
months
following
that.
E
Just
gives
me
a
headache,
so
I
thought
throw
all
that
out
and
let's
just
ask
how
big
this
problem
is.
So
we
see
we're
building
about
six
hundred
units
a
year.
We
want
to
get
to
1,800
units
here
so,
let's
say
10,000
over
ten
years,
just
as
a
round
number
to
help
us
get
started.
If
you
go
out
and
you
just
want
to
build
a
unit
of
housing,
you
don't
own
the
land.
E
You
just
want
to
build
a
unit
of
housing,
that's
half
a
million
dollars,
nearly
half
a
million
dollars
to
make
it
land
costs
and
everything
included
right
just
as
a
round
number.
So
that's
five
billion
dollars
to
get
the
10,000
units
at
the
cost
of
borrowing
a
billion
dollars
right
now
for
30
years.
We
can
do
that
at
two
and
a
2.5
five
percent,
so
the
annual
carrying
cost
of
that
it
was
a
hundred
and
twenty
eight
million
dollars.
E
I
asked
what
the
subsidy
we
have
to
provide
to
make
the
difference
between
a
regular
housing
unit
and
a
supportive
housing
unit.
That's
$2,300
so
for
10,000
units,
that's
23
million,
so
it's
a
hundred
and
fifty-one
million
dollars
a
year
to
get
10,000
units
of
supportive
housing.
Now
forgetting
all
about
whether
the
federal
and
provincial
governments
come
to
the
table.
That's
about
a
five
percent
tax
increase
a
little
bit
less
than
that
five
percent
tax
increase
on
the
average
home
in
the
City
of
Toronto
is
$200
a
year.
E
We
could
solve
this
problem
without
anyone
from
any
other
order
of
government
coming
forward.
We
can
solve
this
problem
without
having
to
figure
out.
If
we
can
shuffle
around
the
current
uses
on
city-owned
land,
we
could
just
go
out
and
buy
the
land
and
do
it
for
$200
per
homeowner
in
the
city
of
Toronto
per
year.
E
E
Even
if
the
other
governments
don't
come
to
the
table,
it
is
only
because
we
never
just
clear
the
brush
of
all
the
complicated
if
ands
or
buts,
about
the
federal
programs
and
provincial
programs
that
we
don't
put
it
in
a
starting
place
in
those
terms,
$200
per
property
taxpayer
per
year
and
10,000
supportive
housing
units
could
be
built
even
if
everything
else
goes
wrong.
It's
that
simple
now
I
know.
Councillor
cressie
is
asking
for
a
motion
that
councillor
bylaw
will
put
forward
to
try
to
get
some
budget
numbers
into
future
budgets.
G
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
do
have
two
motions.
The
first
one
is
to
amend
recommendation
number
four
so
that
it
actually,
this
is
regarding
the
piece
around
them
the
gorge
for
revitalization
I'm,
hoping
that
I
could
be
consulted
in
in
those
discussions
leading
up
to
final
decision-making
around
I
guess,
service
agreements,
I
can't
imagine
it
being
a
problem,
since
local
councilors
are
usually
part
of
those
negotiations
not
negotiates,
but
just
in
terms
of
you
know,
just
letting
us
know
what's
going
on.
G
So
we
can
then
convey
that
information
to
our
residents
and
also
to
then
that
then
the
next
motion
is
to
ask
the
deputy
manager,
deputy
city
manager,
as
part
of
the
implementation
implementation
plan
for
a
housing
tÃo,
a
major
action
plan
to
report
back
in
June
2020
on
the
feasibility
of
allocating
a
target
of
one
third
of
the
remaining
housing.
Now
rental
units,
with
the
creation
of
new
supportive
housing
and
I,
know
that
the
the
DCM
is
going
to
be
reporting
back
anyway.
So
thank
you
for
working
with
me
on
this
motion.
G
My
original
motion
was
to
just
to
say:
make
it
happen,
but
it
was.
I
was
alerted
that
it
can't
just
happen,
and
so
therefore,
it
needs
to
come
back
to
this
particular
to
this
particular
committee,
which
I
think
is,
is
fine
actually
in
June.
Okay,
thank
you,
which,
I
think
is
it's
still
good,
because
it
allow
us
to
sort
of
thing
through
what
exactly
are
we?
G
What
exactly
are
we
going
to
do
to
try
to
make
sure
that
we
can
build
an
additional
one
thousand
eight
hundred
units
and
meet
that
target
every
year
annually
and
at
the
same
time,
we've
got
city,
assets
and
city
real
estate
that
are
about
to
leave
the
station,
and
we
haven't
maximized
that
outcome,
and
hopefully
that
return
so
I
I
think
that
number
one
staff
need
to
be
applauded
for
this
report.
I.
Thank
you
for
doing
the
deep
work.
G
I
think
it's
actually
a
new
territory
and
in
some
ways
pretty
exciting
to
see
the
city
in
Toronto
and
council
take
up
the
charge
and
trying
to
advance
supportive
housing.
The
the
challenge
has
always
been
around
the
supportive
housing
in
the
debate
between
shelter
and
supportive
housing
is.
What
do
you
do
for
those
individuals
for
immediately
in
trouble
today?
They
cannot
wait
till
we
hit
the
goal
of
1800
in
the
year
because
they're
on
the
streets
and
they're
her
today.
G
What
do
we
do
today
when
the
shelters
are
at
capacity
and
everyone
that
works
to
support?
That
system
is
feeling
so
strained?
So
it's
not
and
as
it's
to
me,
it's
not
always
an
issue
about
either-or.
It's
about.
How
do
we
actually
keep
it
all
going?
Yes,
one
day,
we'd
like
to
eliminate
any
particular
need
for
shelters,
but
I
think
we
recognize
that
there
will
always
be
some
need
for
emergency
shelters
or,
if
we
haven't
filled
the
other
rungs
in
the
particular
housing
ladder.
G
It
speaks
to
a
challenge
within
the
indigenous
community,
where
we're
a
young
indigenous
person
fell
and
ill
and
died,
and
and
while
they,
while
they
were
sort
of
in
the
mists
of
being
negotiated,
is
that
a
provincial
matter?
Is
it
a
state
matter
or
a
territorial
matter?
Is
that
it
is
the
city?
Responsibility
is
a
provincial
responsibility,
while
every
order
government
was
debating
who's
who's
responsible
for
the
welfare
at
this
individual
that
individual
passed.
G
So
the
Jordan
principle
is
whoever
finds
the
problem
is
responsible
for
it
and
we
then
go
fight
for
the
funding
and
resolution
and
the
operational
pieces
afterwards.
We
have
already
done
that
and
we've
shown
extraordinary
leadership
with
the
refugees
that
have
come
into
the
city
by
just
saying
we're
going
to
house
them.
However,
we're
going
to
house
them,
we
will
house
them,
we
will
take
care
of
it
and
then
we
will
set.
G
G
We've
already
invoked
the
Jordan
principle,
so
council
has
already
led
the
way
by
not
delaying
progress
or
outcomes,
because
it's
somebody
else's
responsibility
and
I
do
think
that
we
reach
the
point
in
the
housing
crisis
and
emergency
that
the
residents
of
Toronto
don't
care
whose
responsibility
is
they
just
want
us
to
get
it
done.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
D
D
Sorry
this
is
not
the
the
impact
study,
and
this
is
as
many
people
mentioned
in
here.
I
think
there
needs
to
be
clearer
communication
with
the
other
orders
of
government
on
the
impact
that
actually
supportive
housing
has
I
think
we
all
are
very
aware
of
the
human
impact
we
found
when
we
had
the
Toronto
Community
Housing
campaign.
D
When
we
started
with
that
advocacy
efforts
to
the
provincial
and
federal
government,
it
was
really
important
to
demonstrate
what
impact
these
decisions
have
in
all
our
budgets
in
all
our
governments
and
how,
by
working
together
by
contributing
to
the
solution,
we
actually
all
benefit,
not
only
as
a
society
and
as
a
human
principle
but
even
economically,
and
that
a
lot
of
these
decisions
are
actually
the
most
the
smartest
thing
to
do
economically
as
well
and
and
financially
as
well.
For
all
of
us
to
invest
in
these
things.
D
So
this
is
just
basically
some
information
gathering
some
information
to
really
support.
I
think
the
efforts
that
many
of
us
are
doing
on
advocating
for
all
three
orders
of
government
to
invest
in
in
supportive
housing
and
the
second
motion
I
do
have
is
in
getting
the
numbers
for
the
2021
budget
on
the
600
units
and
again
call
on
the
other
orders
of
government
to
to
support
the
operating
I.
I'd,
like
thank
staff
and
I,
do
appreciate
some
of
the
aspects
of
this
of
this
report.
D
First
of
all,
because
as
staff
responded
through
my
questioning
we're
actually
entering
into
territory
that
the
city
of
Girona
is
not
entered
before,
we've
never
never
built
supportive
housing
in
this
city.
So
let's
make
that
clear.
We've
never
built
supportive
housing
in
this
city,
a
city
home,
ok
that
but
the
the
the
reality
is
that
we
we
now
have
this
on
the
table.
D
However,
I
think
many
people
agree
that
there
are
aspects
that
are
nonprofits
and
that
supportive
housing
need
that
are
very
much
the
responsibility
of
our
partners,
and
we
should
continue
to
advocate
to
have
them
come
to
the
table.
I,
for
example,
I
had
a
meeting
just
yesterday
with
one
of
my
drop-ins
that
I
have
in
my
area
and
if
I
told
you
that
they've
told
me
that
the
other
day
they
had
somebody
sent
from
a
hospital
in
Toronto
on
a
stretcher
completely
naked
to
one
of
our
drop-in
centers.
D
That
is
what
we
have
right
now
in
front
of
us.
So
that
is
not
an
excuse.
That
is
a
health
care
responsibility
that
should
be
taken
care
as
a
health
care
issue
and
and
and
done
by
the
healthcare
system
and
I,
don't
think
it
is.
We
should
let
other
orders
of
government
download
those
responsibilities
on
on
us.
These
are
all
our
citizens
and
we
all
have
responsibilities
to
take
the
best
human
care
and
the
best
care
for
our
citizens.
D
So
I
do
appreciate
the
focus
on
the
modular,
supportive
housing
as
councillor
longtime
said,
there's
a
certain
speed
that
we
need
and
we
need
to
not
only
say,
let's
work
on
supportive
housing,
but
actually,
how
do
we
do
some
of
this
quicker,
so
I
think
an
interesting
model
on
the
modular
supportive
housing
is
really
interesting
and
I
do
think
that
Ulta
having
some
of
our
shelter
spaces
being
used
as
supportive
housing
is
important
because
that's
how
people
are
using
it
right
now.
That
is
the
reality.
D
If
we
look
at
the
numbers,
we
have
a
very
high
percentage
of
people
that
are
actually
are
using
our
shelters
as
the
factor
housing,
and
so,
let's
give
them
the
supports
that
they
need,
so
they
can
succeed
and
move
on
and
not
continue
to
call
this
a
shelter
not
providing
them
the
supports
that
they
need
so
I.
Think
acknowledging
that
acknowledging
knowing
the
populations
that
we're
trying
to
help
is
extremely
important.
I
think
that's
something
that
this
report
does
is
saying.
D
We
we
understand
the
needs
of
the
population
that
we're
trying
to
serve
and
we're
trying
to
put
our
best
foot
forward
to
serve
these
populations.
So
thanks
staff
I
think
this
is
a
great
first
step
forward
thanks,
everybody
that
has
been
involved
in
in
the
sector
and
it's
good
to
see
council
continue
to
move
forward
on
this
and
having
a
commitment
to
to
get
it
done.
So,
thank
you.
D
Okay!
Can
we
move
the
motions
as
a
package?
Just
you
want
one
by
one:
okay,
so
motion,
one
councillor,
Christian
wong-tam,
all
those
in
favor
that
carries
motion
all
those
in
favor
that
carries
motion
three,
all
those
in
favor
that
carries
motion
for
all
those
in
favor
that
carries
item
as
amended
all
those
in
favor
that
carries
okay
item
3.5.
D
T
T
He
was
appointed
he's
born
in
Charlottetown
Newfoundland
and
said
without
okay,
he
served
Canadian
people
and
they've
got
anointed
as
a
highest
rank
as
a
knight
commando,
because
he
came
to
Canada
and
seen
lynchin
going
on.
Peterborough
is
a
place
that
there
is
black
people
that
won
the
war
for
eight
to
twelve.
This
lady
was
called
nonny,
the
maroon
she's
from
Jamaica.
She
defeated
the
British.
She
came
here
to
help
this
country
to
win
that
war.
T
This
is
a
native
people
and
this
is
how
Canadian
become
native
Nova
Scotians,
because
they're
black
and
native,
we
don't
get
recognition
for
this
part
of
history
in
Canada.
Two
hundred
and
fifty
years
now
and
I
know
you
guys
don't
understand
anything
I'm
saying
because
none
of
you
guys
seems
to
know
your
history.
T
The
only
thing
I
could
see
that
you
guys
care
about.
Is
your
pocket,
but
there's
forty
years
to
develop
the
Canadian
people
in
the
future
of
that
generation?
You
guys
should
be
hold
contempt
for
murder
and
people
and
not
doing
what
the
monarch
wanted
you
to
do
with
50
billion
dollar
that
you
guys
just
got.
T
T
T
T
Story
where
you
guys
are
from
and
what
part
of
the
city
do
you
represent
if
it's
only
a
part
of
a
town
or
is
it
the
whole
city?
Do
you
get
elected
to
represent
the
people
that
you're
elected
for
or
not
I
have
questions
that
none
of
you
guys
would
answer
and
I'm
not
going
to
hear
any
questions
from
you
guys
more
than
a
question
is
for
the
public,
not
for
one
individual.
We
take
up
both
as
a
Canadian.
T
T
T
T
T
T
K
T
R
All
right,
thank
you
for
for
letting
me
speak
or
the
opportunity
to
speak
again
today
on
this
issue.
Many
of
you
will
remember
the
role
that
Toronto
Alliance
10
homelessness
played
in
helping
bring
this
motion
forward
in
December
and
I've
heard
deputations
before
when
we
have
promoted
the
idea
of
some
form
of
emergency
response
table
for
people
living
in
homelessness
right
now.
R
The
second
thing
is
that
it
seemed
I
understand
that
letters
have
gone
to
provincial
staff
also
to
join,
but
perhaps
it's
time
to
raise
this
issue
to
the
political
level.
There
is
some
resistance,
or
some
inability
for
provincial
staff
to
join
this
type
of
working
group
without
prevent
without
political
approval,
I
guess
or
support.
So
anything
that
can
happen
to
raise
the
urgency
of
this
kind
of
inter
government
working
group
to
the
political
level
would
be
necessary.
R
I
believe
councillor
Krusty
was
the
chair,
and
this
working
group
was
interdivisional
with
the
City
of
Toronto.
Yes,
they
had
representatives
one
each
from
the
government,
but
the
work
was
done
here
with
staff
from
the
relevant
staff,
who
could
make
decisions
quickly
from
all
the
divisions
and
the
community
who
had
resources
to
bear.
So
we
believe
strongly
that,
in
a
partnership
with
the
Alliance
and
other
stakeholders
in
the
community
and
City
the
right
City
staff,
we
can
triage
our
resources
and
quickly
move
people
out
of
homelessness.
R
And
this
speaks
to
those
who
are
there
only
for
economic
reasons,
because
it
would
be
tied
to
if
we're
serious,
about
really
stepping
up
again
as
a
city
and
tackling
this
some
additional
rent
supplements
so
that
we
can
access
what
is
available
in
the
private
rental
market.
More
readily.
You've
heard
many
say
how
difficult
that
is.
Part
of
the
reason
is
the
rent
supplements
aren't
high
enough.
If
we
had
a
thousand
dollars
a
month
per
person
for
even
a
short
period,
we
could
get
a
lot
of
people
out
of
shelter
really
quickly.
Who
are
there?
R
Who
don't
need
supports
to
move
back
into
housing
and
to
keep
it
and
to
can't
keep
doing
or
get
back
on
their
feet?
So
that's
the
third
one
and
then
fourth
just
to
keep
thinking,
even
in
this
context,
of
the
role
of
the
supportive
housing
provider
and
the
plan
that
we're
working
on
it's
the
it's
a
supportive
housing
provider.
R
E
You
Kiera
so
if
I
was
listening,
right,
you're
you're
telling
us
that,
through
the
networks
that
you
have
of
housing,
professionals
and
public
servants
and
different
orders
of
government
that
there's
a
willingness
on
the
part
of
the
federal
government
to
participate.
There's
a
willingness
on
the
part
of
the
city
participate.
There's
a
willingness
on
the
part
of
the
provincial
public
service
to
participate,
but
there's
a
political
hole
of
getting
the
provincial
government
artists.
D
G
G
The
original
emergency
response,
because
we
needed
to
be
able
to
sort
of
crack
the
whip
and
say
how
do
we
bring
three
orders
of
government
together
and
we
were
told
that
declaring
an
emergency
is
not
going
to
do
anything.
It's
just
gonna.
You
know
we've
we're
already
doing
as
much
as
we
possibly
can.
G
So,
let's
set
the
city
manager
loose
and
he
is
gonna,
go
off
and
get
us
some
results
and
report
back
this
meeting
and-
and
we
now
have
a
four-page
report
signed
by
at
least
three
individuals
plus
the
city
manager
that
beats
a
manager
has
four
major
individuals,
and
it
tells
us
that
you're
going
to
get
another
report
in
June.
That
will
tell
us
exactly
what's
happening,
so
we're
kind
of
missing
the
mark
here.
What
what?
What?
What
did
we
do
wrong?
I.
R
Don't
know
if
anything
was
done
wrong,
I
mean
there's
only
so
far.
You
can
compel
other
orders
of
government
to
work
with
you
and
I.
Think
I've
tried
to
identify
some
of
the
barriers
that
I've
I've
learned
about,
but
I
think
what
we
need
to
do
is
just
do
it
and
that
we
have
the
model
of
the
Syrian
refugee
emergency
table.
R
My
understanding
as
well,
and
we
have
the
terms
of
reference
and
the
work
plans
that
can
be
shared
from
that
time,
that
it
worked
really
well
and
the
city
was
able
to
find
and
house
and
settle
a
whole
bunch
of
people
very
quickly.
I
think
it's
not
it's
not
the
solution
forever.
The
long-term
solution,
but
we
can
do
better
for
hundreds
of
people
immediately
if
we
all
got
around
a
table
and
shared
our
resources
identified,
some
shorter
term
regulatory.
R
Changes
that
we
might
need
in
order
to
stack
benefits
around
people
wrap
supports
around
people,
but
also,
as
I
said,
if
there
was
an
ability
to
have
a
two
or
three-year
commitment
from
the
city
for
a
set
of
thousand
dollar
rent
supplements,
we
could
use
those
for
people
before
they
become
chronically
homeless
and
get
them
out
of
shelters
and
back
into
housing
and
back
to
their
lives.
Thank.
B
See
race
tables
aren't
just
for
the
disabled,
are
they
we
all
can
use
them
so
very
quickly?
Councillor
Bailey,
oh
I,
know
you've
got
to
go
and
I
just
want
to
keep
this
short
and
sweet
and
sassy
as
usual.
I've
been
here
for
almost
everything
today,
because
accessibility
is
so
vital
and,
as
usual
I'm,
the
only
one
in
a
wheelchair
that
showed
up
or
the
only
one,
with
visual
impairments
that
showed
up
fighting
for
accessibility.
As
always,
it's
basically
a
foregone
conclusion
that
we've
lost
the
support
of
the
provincial
government.
B
B
B
Sorry
I
lost
my
train
of
thought,
but
seriously
we
have
three
levels
of
government.
One
of
them
is
not
at
the
table.
We
know
that
it's
unfortunately
a
known
fact.
So
how
do
we
do
this
with
us
and
the
Federals?
How
do
we
do
this
and
try
to
get
the
provincial
back
in
you
know,
I
wish
we
could
all
team
together
and
just
get
this
stuff
done,
but
I
don't
know
how
realistic
that
is
at
this
point
in
time
with
the
attitude
that
is
up
the
street
I.
B
D
E
G
Think
the
motion
is
helpful,
but
I
think
we've
also
learned
that
these
these
tables
need
to
be
charged
and
led
by
politicians
in
order
for
the
staff
to
feel
empowered
to
move
ahead
with
the
same
type
of
energy
to
participate
and
and
I
would
and
I
know
every
time
I
try
to
do
this.
I
I'm
told
that
I
can't
do
it
because
the
mayor
is
already
doing
enough
to
solve
everything,
but
I
really
believe
that
the
mayor
needs
to
be
asked,
or
you
know,
politely
asked
to
sit
with
the
city
manager
to
do
this
work.
E
Do
think
it
was
politically
valuable
for
every
member
of
City
Council
to
vote
on
this
at
City
Council.
So
it's
all
of
us
together
the
American
vote
for
it.
He
can
write
any
letter
or
make
any
phone
call
anytime.
He
wants
I
want
city
council,
as
a
united
body
I
mean.
Maybe
the
Premier's
nephew
won't
vote
with
us
to
vote
on
this
and
make
it
clear.
We
all
want
to
see
this
happen.
G
E
G
I
would
welcome
the
opportunity
to
work
on
this
because
I
think
there
are
a
number
of.
There
are
a
number
of
recommendations
that
came
forward
from
Kiera
that
we
could
probably
add
I
recognize
that
it's
getting
late
in
the
day,
but
I
just
want
to,
and
maybe
I'll
just
speak
to
it
when
it's
time
to
speak.
But
so
thank
you.
Yes,
I
will
work
with
you
on
that.
Okay,.
G
Gonna
move
like
our
asses
and
houses
and
fire
was
on
fire
because
our
lives,
who
are
hanging
out
on
the
Nate
on
the
edge-
and
so
it's
a
little
bit
hard
to
see
that
after
we
I
was
told,
we
didn't
need
to
declare
emergency
that
a
four-page
report
come
back
and
says
this
is
all
we
got
and
we'll
come
back
to
you
in
six
months
to
tell
you
how
far
we,
how
far
we
get
in
six
months.
I
don't
want
to
err.
G
This
is
not
it's
not
a
slight
on
staff,
but
I
really
believe
this
has
everything
to
do
the
fact
that
we
keep
dropping
the
ball
at
City
Council,
and
this
at
this
committee,
where
we
actually
didn't
take
up
the
charge
last
December
and
and
and
further
to
that.
Almost
a
year
ago,
two
years
ago,
when
we
first
started
talking
about
what
a
declaration
of
emergency
would
look
like,
we
were
told
that
nothing
is
going
to
happen.
You're
not
gonna,
get
any
more
results
and
that
everything
is
already
being
done.
G
That
was
two
years
ago,
and
then,
a
year
ago,
the
mayor
also
committed,
even
after
a
very
messy
council
vote,
that
he
was
even
though
council.
He
voted
not
to
support
the
council
motion
that
he
would
take
it
upon
himself
to
convene
this
same
inter-government
to
a
working
group
to
move
towards
ending
homelessness.
So
that
was
two
year
as
a
milestone
one
year
as
a
milestone,
and
only
in
December
do
we
say
we
don't
need
it.
So
that's
why
I'm
a
little
fatigued?
G
D
Thank
you
any
other
speakers
seeing
none.
So
I
would
like
to
speak
on
on
this
item,
so
the
the
councillor
perks,
actually
motion
is
already
part
of
the
report.
This
was
one
of
the
recommendations
and
there
were
yes,
no
no,
but
the
initial
report
asked
the
city
manager
to
do
exactly
this,
so
that
has
been
done.
D
Sharing
the
frustration
to
be
honest
with
everybody
that
council
wong-tam
has
expressed,
because
I
do
think.
We
have
very
charged
emotional
discussions
about
this
issue
every
November
in
December,
because
we
don't
do
the
work
that
we
should
be
doing
now
in
the
beginning
of
the
year
throughout
the
year.
Getting
the
conversations
going
that
getting
this
addressed,
I
didn't
meet
with
the
minister
yesterday
I
asked
him
about
this.
He
wasn't
aware
and
he's
looking
into
this
to
get
this
started
so
provincial,
yes,
so
counselor
I
share
the
frustration.
D
I
was
expecting
a
more
robust
report
in
front
of
us
today.
I
think
that
there's
more
work
that
needs
to
be
done
with
the
sector
and
obviously
with
the
other
orders
of
government
I,
share
that
with
with
you
and
that's
why
I
asked
for
the
meeting-
and
this
was
a
key
item
on
the
agenda
and
all
I
can
say.
Is
that
I'm
happy
to
involve
you
as
part
of
those
conversations,
because
I
know
that
you're
passionate
about
this
issue
and
to
work
with
you
but
I?
Don't
think
that
that
we
need
to
send
another
letter?
D
E
D
I
We're
talking
about
at
City
Place
is
one
of
the
four
sites
you
proposed
in
2015
as
part
of
the
fast-track
pilot
for
open
doors
in
2015,
two
hundred
Madison
505
Richmond
150
Harrison
in
this
block,
36
North
site
five
years
later,
200
Madison
they've
just
moved
into,
but
it
actually
predates
open
doors.
It
dates
back
to
like
2008,
so
it
took
about
12
years
to
get
80
units
on
that
site.
Richmond
is
under
construction,
but
both
block
36
north
and
the
150
Harrison
site
are
currently
still
empty
fields.
I
Five
years
after
you
approved
affordable
housing
on
those
sites,
anybody
who
looked
at
this
plan
in
2015
could
have
told
you
it
was
going
to
fail.
It
was
destined
to
fail
because
you
were
talking
about
building
an
80
unit
building
in
City
Place
and
the
construction
costs
in
City.
Place
are
really
really
difficult.
Just
getting
out
of
the
ground
costs
a
lot
of
money.
There
you're
not
going
to
get
to
the
sort
of
numbers
you're
talking
about
you,
say:
40,000
units
of
affordable
housing
right.
This
is
80
units.
I
It
would
mean
you'd
have
to
build
500
of
these
buildings
in
the
next
10
years.
That's
approving
one
of
these
buildings
in
this
built
form
every
week
pretty
much
for
the
next
decade.
I,
don't
think
mr.
Lin
turned
staff
have
the
bandwidth
to
do
one
a
week
at
the
moment.
So
it's
an
empty
field
right
now,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
to
bring
it
back
in-house
and
your
10-minute
walk
to
the
CN
Tower
from
there.
I
It's
gonna
be
right
next
to
rail,
deck
Park,
it's
a
great
location
you're,
not
the
only
people
who
are
having
this
problem.
Vancouver
has
this
problem
and
potentially
you
know
miss
bond
who's.
Just
come
from
an
Cooper
can
talk
about
this.
They
had
20
proposals
were
selected
in
2018
for
an
affordable
housing
project
in
2019.
30
percent
of
them
had
walked
away
from
the
deals
that
they'd
agreed
to
because
the
math
just
didn't
work.
The
math
has
to
work
on
every
single
site
and
councillor
Bradford
award.
I
We've
had
the
same
issue
with
the
affordable
housing
site
at
upper
Gerard
and
uncocks.
Well,
that
was
33
units
of
affordable
housing,
but
city
staff
said
it
needed
42
underground
parking
spaces.
We
can't
be
having
these
kinds
of
conversations
if
we're
serious
about
affordable
housing
at
speed
at
scale
in
2020,
so
I'm
gonna
apologize
to
counsel
the
perks
for
this
slide.
Does
it
pencil.
That
is
that
you
know
we
disagree
with
all
kinds
of
all
kinds
of
stuff,
but
we
I
think
we
agree
on
the
math.
I
We
need
to
be
able
to
pay
for
these
buildings.
They
have
to
be
viable.
Part
of
the
way
we
make
them
viable
is
to
do
the
density
and
the
built
form
that
makes
the
math
work.
So
our
volunteers
I've
talked
to
affordable
housing
developers.
We
have
talked
to
affordable
housing
operators.
We
are
pitching
this
into
the
ether
as
a
way
you
can
make
this
building
viable
in
2020.
I
It's
22
stories,
its
282
units.
It's
a
very
simple
built
form.
It
is
optimized
to
be
run
by
a
not-for-profit
and
mixed
income.
It
includes
supportive
and
transit
shanell
units,
the
unit
breakdowns.
Are
there,
the
the
square
footage
per
units
are
there.
Some
people
would
be
concerned
about
the
small
size
of
the
Batchelor
units,
but
if
we
want
supported
units,
those
supportive
units
are
small
units
that
are
partnered
up
with
larger
units
for
sort
of
a
coal
living
type
relationship.
We're
happy
to
dig
into
more
details
on
these.
I
You
can
see
from
the
examples
in
these
renderings
we're
not
even
talking
about
the
biggest
building
in
the
neighborhood,
but
this
is
the
kind
of
built
form
you
need
to
be
doing
on
a
regular
basis.
If
you
want
to
reach
all
the
other
targets
you've
talked
about
today,
so
we're
asking
you
to
assign
this
city
place
site
to
create
teo
asking
to
include
it
in
the
2020
housing
now
lists,
throw
away
all
the
affordable,
designing,
affordable
design
guidelines
that
failed
to
deliver
affordable
housing.
I
D
B
B
B
Two
minutes
so
I
was
hoping
to
get
this
mo
and
Ed
was
here
because
she's,
an
amazing
counselor
and
she
fights
for
people
in
her
community
that
are
like
me,
simple,
is
this
before
this
even
gets
built
started,
planned,
put
accessibility
on
the
table,
put
excessively
the
start
of
any
design
of
any
building.
Visitability
simple,
as
that,
don't
silence,
accessibility,
don't
put
it
as
an
afterthought.
B
Put
it
as
the
initial
planning
of
every
single
site
coming.
The
next
item
Anna's
put
on
was
important
as
well,
but
this
one
this
land
there
needs
to
be
15
percent,
accessible.
I
beg
you
put
accessibility
within
the
lens
when
you're
beginning
the
development,
it's
easier
to
plan
ahead
for
accessibility
than
planning
it
late,
then
plant
it
in
later.
Any
planner
can
tell
you
that
I
talked
to
several
planners
about
this
thing,
because
I'm
interested
in
it
and
they've
said
the
same
thing.
Please
build
into
the
thought
before
and
not
after
I
appreciate
your
time.
K
G
If
it
was
anybody
intending
to
move
the
staff
recommendation
or
are
there
any
amendments,
we
try
to
do
it
go
ahead?
Okay,
so
I'll
just
move
the
staff
recommendations,
and
also
just
that
Emily
for
your
for
your
reference.
I'm
just
going
to
I
will
undertake
and
speak
to
councillor
Krusty
about,
including
perhaps
some
amendment
language
in
the
when
we
get
to
Kelso
about
asking
for
greater
accessibility
for
additional
units.
I,
don't
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you.
You
can
hear
that,
but
I
want
to
consult
the
counselor
first
and
that's
it.
This.
K
K
G
Santa
and
thank
you
I,
don't
think
anyone
needs
to
speak
to
it.
I
would
just
ask
that
the
committee
would
adopt
the
recommendation
and
just
very
quickly,
we've
had
a
number
of
incidents
and
I
suspect.
There
are
other
councillors
who
have
experienced
the
same
thing
where
properties
are
sitting
vacant,
perhaps
either
intentionally
a
left
abandoned
by
by
landowners
or
perhaps
speculators,
and
during
that
interim
period
of
vacancy,
before
they
actually
get
a
zoning
approval
or
perhaps
there's
going
to
be
a
new
use.
G
Those
buildings
are
violated,
the
security
is
breached,
people
go
in
and
they
began,
they
vandalize
the
property,
or
there
is
arson
even
worse,
and
we
have
had
two
incidents.
We've
had
three
incidents
in
Ward
13
in
a
very
short
period
time,
and
one
of
those
incidents
actually
resulted
fire
fires
to
firefighters,
falling
through
the
wood
boards
and
because
these
properties
are
oftentimes
aged,
which
means
they
have
timber
framing.
We
know
that
they
become
very
dangerous
when
they're
left
alone.
G
So
it's
dangerous
to
the
peak
the
people
breaking
into
the
buildings,
it's
dangerous
to
the
first
responders
and
it's
also
dangerous
to
the
community,
where
those
properties
are
sitting
vacant
because
the
fire
can
spread
very
quickly.
The
only
thing
I'm
asking
is:
what
can
we
do
to
actually
eliminate
that
that
policy
gap
and
and
can
we
have
this
report-
come
back
by
the
fourth
quarter
of
2020?
K
Thank
you.
I
understand,
you've
amended
that
from
the
original
letter
that
you
sent
around
three
times
third
time
lucky
all
right.
Let's
vote!
Unless
you
ask
West
any
questions,
anybody
any
questions!
No,
and
there
you
go
so
let's
have
a
vote
on
that.
All
in
favor
of
that
recommendation
propose
and
that's
carried.
Thank
you
very
much
and
now
we're
going
to
move
to
adjourn.