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Planning and Housing Committee, meeting 6, May 28, 2019 - Part 2 of 2
Agenda and background materials:
http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/decisionBodyProfile.do?function=doPrepare&meetingId=15386
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKh5tEmuXQc
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C
Thank
you,
I
just
want
to
ask
about
the
average
market
rent
and
a
parent.
The
affordability
factor
is
considered
to
be
a
hundred
percent
of
average
market
rent.
Now,
how
concerning
is
it
that
our
average
market
rent
is
skewed
by
the
housing
market
in
the
City
of
Toronto?
Is
there
any
concern
there
and
is
there
any
way
to
mitigate
that
in
any
way.
D
Through
the
chair
and
our
city's
official
plan
for
affordable
rental
is
based
on
100
percent
of
average
market
rents,
and
this
is
based
on
a
survey
that
CMHC
Canada,
Mortgage
and
Housing
completes
every
year,
looking
at
all,
250
thousand
plus
purpose-built
rental
units
across
the
city.
So
it
takes
into
consideration
both
units
where
someone
has
lived
there
for
20
plus
years
as
well
as
units
that
have
recently
turned
over.
Certainly,
we
know
it's
a
tool,
that's
responding
to
the
rental
market
and
one
of
the
benefits
is
its
updated
every
year
compared
to
census
data
I.
C
Not
asking
about
if
we
use
it
I'm
asking
about
any
concerns
about
the
high
average
market,
rent
and
other
these
factors
of
mitigating
by
making
it
deeper
but
means
we
only
get
less
housing
so
to
go
deeper.
We
only
get
10%.
Where
is
it
a
hundred
percent?
We
get
20,
that's
how
I'm
reading
this
but
I'm
looking
at.
If
there
has
been
any
concern
by
anybody,
perhaps
in
the
affordable
housing
office,
about
the
skewing
of
the
average
market
rent
because
of
the
rental
costs
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
So
it's
either
yes
or
no.
C
E
I
would
think
you
know
we're
hearing,
certainly
through
the
chair.
Councillor
is
concerned
about
it
and
it's
something
that
we
could
investigate.
Further
I
think
I
understand
I'm,
trying
to
reflect
on
what
is
being
identified,
as
is
the
whole.
It's
the
whole
rental
picture,
we're
starting
behind
the
8
ball,
in
other
words,
because
our
rents
are
automatically
higher
in
that
site.
That's
it
is
what
it
is.
You
need
that's
one
response,
but
I
think
you're
you're
trying
to
capture
whether
or
not
that's
that
should
be
a
factor
unto
itself
that
we
should
more
particularly
examine.
C
E
Would
say
through
the
chair
that
if
we've
done
a
planning
study
or
done
a
planning
framework
where
such
as
Midtown
focused
geo
core,
we
have
looked
at
unit
size,
for
example,
unit
size
policies
in
those
in
those
areas.
But
we've
deferred
to
the
city,
wide
approach
for
securing
affordable
housing
through
both
our
existing
large
sites
policy
and
through
the
emerging
eyes
that
approach
that
we're
taking.
So
our
general
thrust
has
been
to
to
look
to
this
program
as
a
means
to
capture
a
wider
range
of
affordable
housing
across
the
entire
city
where,
where
it
works.
E
C
E
C
And
lastly,
the
city
owns
a
fair
amount
of
land
I'm.
This
is
kind
of
a
non
inclusionary
zoning.
It's
like
our
own
inclusionary
zoning
for
the
city,
so
part
Toronto
parking
authority,
I
always
use
this
example.
It's
in
councilor
wong-tam
this
award
and
the
parking
authority
with
the
five
five
storey
garage
apparently
sold
that
land
to
a
developer.
There's
going
to
be
a
hundred
stories
there
and
there's
not
any
it
might
not
be.
Your
ward
anymore
might
have
been
moved
to
councillor
Layton's,
but
that
there
is
not
one
affordable
unit.
C
E
C
E
B
D
B
Economic
value
but
okay,
and
when
you
looked
at
that,
do
you
look
you
look
for
that?
Breaking
point
of
you
know
you
wanna
that
you
can
get
affordable
housing,
but
you
can
continue
to
have
a
healthy
development
industry.
Correct,
that's
correct
and
you
consider
the
breaking
point
like
the
highest
amount
of
affordable
housing
that
you're
gonna
get.
Is
that
what
you're,
trying
to
the
lens
that
you're
trying
to
put
when
you're
looking
at
these
performers
so.
B
Okay
and
going
back
to
the
hundred
units
limit
is
this
is
the
principles
that
the
same
free
I
know
that
we
don't
charge
section
37
on
ten
thousand
square
meters,
which,
in
a
lot
of
times,
is
around
that
between
80
and
100
units
is
about
ten
thousand
square
meters.
Is
that
the
same
reason
is
it's
the
economics
of
those
kinds
of
buildings
that
are
impeding
in
some
of
these
to.
D
The
chair,
but
one
of
the
principles
that
we
looked
at,
is
wanting
to
continue
to
encourage
the
production
of
mid-rise
development.
We
know
mid
rise
generally
speaking
and
typically
is
a
disadvantage
in
terms
of
competing
in
terms
of
development
viability
with
taller
buildings.
So
we
were
trying
to
strike
that
balance
in
terms
of
what
the
majority
of
mid-rise
projects
that
are
of
a
smaller
scale
and
how
they
wouldn't
have
inclusionary
zoning
required.
So.
B
Let's
go
to
consultation,
so
we're
gonna
go
to
consultation
with
the
draft
policy.
A
lot
of
Deputies
talked
about
the
fact
that
they
would
like
to
see
more
in
certain
areas.
So
are
you
we're
open
to
all
that
consultation
and
open
to
have
those
kinds
of
conference?
Calls
that
we're
not
just
consulting
on
the
20%?
We're
actually
saying
this
is
20%.
What
so
we
welcome
these
kinds
of
deputations
and
and
we're
open
to
this
kinds
of
input,
so
that
then
we
can
do
the
analysis.
D
See
the
chair:
absolutely:
we
want
to
have
a
wide
and
open
dialogue
as
part
of
our
consultation
process,
and
part
of
that
will
be
informing
members
of
the
public
about
different
policy
options,
and
you
know
the
strengths
and
weaknesses
of
different
options
so
that
they
can
make
an
informed.
Give
us
informed
feedback.
B
E
The
the
it's
five
to
eight
hundred
meters
arranged
to
be
determined
looking
at
each
of
the
major
transit
station
areas,
so
some
of
those
characteristics
may
be
smaller.
Some
may
be
larger.
That
may
be
suitable
to
meet
those
minimum
densities,
but
it
is
tied
to
having
those
those
implementation
policies,
including
zoning,
in
place
in
those
in
those
areas
by
July
2022.
E
B
F
Through
the
chair
to
the
chair,
we
have
till
2022
to
bring
our
plan
into
conformity
with
the
growth
plan.
We
can
start
the
studies
on
a
geographic
basis
and
the
linear
basis
beforehand.
So
I
would
see
as
starting
a
work
program
to
bring
some
of
the
pressure
areas
where
we
want
to
put
the
zoning
in
an
MTS
a
well
in
advance
of
the
2022.
E
Would
add
that
you
know
you
can
you
can
almost
think
about
running
these
things
in
parallel?
Okay,
continue
to
develop
the
I
said:
Pro
Shh
finish
the
consultation
get
it
baked
and
then,
although
at
the
same
time
we're
advancing
a
work
program
on
MT
essays
so
that
when
you
bring
you
know,
10
or
20
MT
essays
forward.
You've
got
you
know
your
eyes
head
ready
to
plug
in
I.
E
B
G
Thank
you
very
much.
I
am
very
happy
to
see
this
report
come
forward.
I
think
it's
it's
long
overdue
and
when
we
look
back
on
the
history
of
just
how
long
city
councilors
members
of
of
the
community
housing
advocates,
city
staff
have
been
fighting
to
try
to
realize
inclusionary
zoning
in
the
city's
toolbox
of
affordable
housing
strategies,
it's
been,
we
we
have
lost
so
much
opportunity
for
it.
I
quoted
the
number
at
a
press
conference
today,
but
the
number
is
12,000
units.
G
If
we
count
between
his
2000
2011
and
2016,
we
don't
have
an
updated
number
and
I
got
to
tell
you.
The
the
approvals
were
still
rolling
rolling
on
and
so
I
suspect
that
that
numbers
more
like
more,
like
16
17,
maybe
18
thousand
now
of
units
that
we
could
have
could
have
have
of
real,
affordable
units
we
could
have
had
in
operation
today
that
we
wouldn't
have
had
before
just
think
of
that.
G
What
that
would
have
done
to
the
list
of
people
waiting
for
affordable
housing,
just
think
it
what
it
could
have
done
to
the
market
and
like
it's?
Not
it's
not
the
only
tool
that
we
need
in
the
toolbox,
but
it's
a
tool
and
it's
a
tool
that
serves
middle-income
young
people.
It's
a
tool
that
allows
us
to
fill
in
an
important
gap
in
our
in
our
housing
portfolio.
G
We're
never
gonna
get
the
the
level
of
deep
affordability
that
everyone
needs
through
a
tool
like
conclusionary
zoning,
but
it
can
be
an
enormous
leap,
our
filet,
and
it
also
starts
to
bring
to
the
table
every
developer,
not
just
the
one
or
two
that
that
we
have
made.
Maybe
we've
worked
with
along
the
way,
or
maybe
Sean
some
how
to
convince
tenant
or
enticed
to
put
a
little
bit
of
affordable
housing
in
in
their
buildings,
but
everyone
everyone
will
start
to
bring
that
experience
to
the
table.
G
All
of
them
can
start
to
understand
that
it
doesn't
break
the
budget
or
ruin
a
project
by
including
a
little
bit
of
affordability
in
your
project.
Other
cities
have
been
doing
this
they've
been
doing
it
for
four
decades
in
some
cases
successfully,
but
the
government
of
the
day
decided
to
drag
their
feet
and
we
lost
a
decade
of
ground,
and
now
this
government
has
put
forward
proposals
that
will
delay
the
implementation
and
restrict
the
implementation
of
including
inclusionary
zoning
further,
and
that
should
be
our
number
one
concern.
G
Bit
of
a
different
recipe
for
how
this
works,
and
it
was
very
interesting
to
look
at
theirs
and
how
theirs
had
grown
and
improved,
and
in
contrast
to
that
that
our
starting
point,
at
least
at
the
point,
that
we're
going
to
go
out
and
consult
with
so
I'm
hoping
I'm
hopeful.
That
there'll
be
some
amendments.
Coming
from
from
this
committee
that
looked
to
staff
to
be
a
bit
bolder
in
our
approach.
This
isn't
to
say
that
I
think
they're
far
off
the
mark.
But
I
think
we
need
to
be
bolder
in
our
approach.
G
Given
the
severity
of
the
housing
crisis
that
we're
currently
in
most
of
the
other
municipalities
that
were
reviewed
as
part
of
this
review,
and
that
we
were
able
to
find
in
our
in
my
own
review
that
we
did
internally
in
my
office
had
policies
that
were
either
stronger,
that
they
went
deeper.
An
affordability
with
longer-term
more
unit
set-aside
for
smaller
for
a
smaller
number
for
buildings
that
were
smaller
than
what
are
being
proposed.
As
our
starting
point
and
I.
G
Think
it's
important
that
we
actually
start
and
go
out
and
consult
with
a
much
stronger
position,
because
I'm
hopeful
that
that
will
mean
that
we
can
actually
get
a
stronger
outcome
and
a
stronger
policy
that
will
produce
more
affordable
units.
My
worry
is:
if
we
go
in
timid,
we're
either
not
gonna
get
the
most.
We
could
out
of
this
to
land
in
the
affordable
affordability
toolbox,
but
in
fact
we
may
see
it
go
backwards
even
more
and
and
that
we
may
see
a
significant
amount
of
pushback
at
the
end
of
the
consultation.
G
A
And
thank
you
to
the
staff
for
the
report.
But
I
recognize
that
in
staffs
response
is
that
they
said
they
are
open
to
hearing
all
these
suggestions.
What
I
was
what
I
was
perplexed
by
is
why
not
go
out
with
some
some
bigger
objectives
and
and
that's
what
I'm
hoping
that
that
that
can
take
place
when
this
motion,
hopefully
with
the
support
of
the
committee,
is
adopted?
The
word
boat
has
come
DUP
several
times
today.
I
think
accounts
for
Layton
has
just
used
it
and
I
believe
Emily
used.
It
I
think
joy
also
used
it.
A
Then
why
would
we
take
small,
timid
steps
out
of
City
Hall
when
we
finally
are
out
there
talking
about
inclusionary
zoning,
and
we
set
ourselves
back,
especially
since
we've
already
learned
from
other
jurisdictions
that
they
have
developed
other
protocols
in
their
cities
at
this
same
level
of
starting
place?
And
they
realize
that
didn't
quite
work.
So
they
had
to
readjust.
They
had
to
go
back
out
and
negotiate
through
a
lens
of
panic
and
to
greater
financial
hardship
to
their
taxpayers
by
then
having
to
buy
units
after
the
affordability
period
ran
out.
A
And
if
we
do
see
the
housing
crisis
trying
to
get
over
that
that
Crescent,
then
we're
gonna
have
to
be
bigger
and
stronger
in
our
position
of
consultation.
And
it's
not
lost
on
me
that
that
I
recognize
that
there
is
going
to
be
significant
development
sector
pushback,
because
every
single
PA,
almost
with
with
few
exceptions
in
Ward
13
I'm.
Faced
with
the
dilemma
across
the
negotiating
table,
where
I
asked
very
politely
I'd
like
you
to
introduce
some
some
level
of
affordable
housing.
And
then
we
tippy-toe
around
this
dance
of
what
can
and
cannot
be
done.
A
That
Deanna
showed
us
that
only
2%
of
all
new
housing
in
the
city
is
affordable
by
the
definition
of
the
city
used
through
the
Official
Plan
80%
of
Amr,
so
we're
kind
of
stuck
unless
we
make
some
big
shifts
and
and
part
of
that
big
shift
is
what
happened
at
City
Council.
At
the
last
meeting,
we
said
that
we
were
going
to
move
forward
and
start
looking
at
housing
through
a
rights-based
approach,
and
that
means
that
we're
gonna
have
to
rethink
everything.
A
We
do
including
going
out
to
consultation
by
asking
who's,
not
included
when
we
talk
about
the
policies
as
we
develop
the
programs
that
will
then
turn
into
services
that
people
can
use
and
right
now,
as
it
stands,
the
consultation
has
to
be
bigger
because
you
can't
lead
from
behind.
You
can
only
go
lead
from
the
front
and
we
have
to
be
able
to
I
would
say,
put
out
the
widest
range
of
options.
Don't
hold
anything
back,
knowing
that
the
development
sector
is
going
to
push
back
significantly.
A
So
whatever
we
are
starting
off
with
we're,
gonna
be
punched
and
punched
and
punched
and
punch
until
it
comes
back
all
weekend
and
Pullman
and
pulsed
up
anyways.
So
this
is
to
me
the
the
right
approach,
and
it
also
should,
if,
if
done
properly,
I,
think
and
if
we're
able
to
withstand
the
development
pressures
here
and
the
development
lobbyists
is
that
it
should
give
us
the
greatest
number
of
affordable
units.
A
It
should
give
us
the
greatest
quantum
of
time,
which
is
around
affordable
period,
which
is
in
perpetuity,
and
it
should
also
give
us
the
greatest
reach
of
around
affordability,
including
those
who
are
who
are
really
low
income,
those
who
are
living
on
ODSP-
and
I
know
that
there
will
be
those
who
say
this-
isn't
quite
the
tool
for
them.
But
you're
gonna
have
to
prove
to
me
otherwise,
and
we
should
try
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
You,
counselor,.
F
A
oh
sorry,
question
for
the
mover:
I
have
no
idea
what
impact
this
has
on
my
personal
ward.
I
didn't
see
this
in
these
motions
in
advance
of
them
being
on
the
screen,
and
is
this
strained
from
what
staff
we're
recommending,
which
I
understand
was
evidence-based,
you're
actually
directing
versus
asking
requesting?
A
And
thank
you
very
much
for
the
question
I'm
asking
staff
to
expand
their
their
policy
direction
as
it
stands
right
now,
we're
not
making
any
final
decisions
today.
So
it's
not
like.
We
have
a
baked
in
solution.
That's
that's
being
proposed
to
us
by
staff
staff
have
decided
to
put
some
parameters
on
on
on
for
things
such
as
100.
You
downtown
140
units
outside
of
downtown
I'm,
not
touching
that
staff
said
that's
what
they
want
where
they
want
to
go.
A
They
did
say
that
they're
recommending
that
we
go
out
to
talk
to
the
community
and
suggest
how
do
you
feel
about
a
25
year,
affordability
period,
if
we're
to
secure,
affordable
rental
and
I'm
suggesting
here?
Why
not
longer
it
could
be
40,
it
could
be
50,
it
could
be
60,
it
could
be
70,
it
could
be
99
years
and
in
perpetuity,
which
is
what
is
shown
to
us
in
the
jurisdictional
scan
of
best
practices,
and
the
same
thing
would
go
with
respect
to
the
the
definition
of
affordable
housing.
A
F
A
Is
correct,
councilor
and
this
committee
has
the
the
ability
to
direct
staff
to
do
that
and,
of
course,
I've
actually
shown
my
motion
to
staff.
My
staff
have
actually
helped
me
word
it,
so
it
actually
is,
is
technically
correct
and
and
and
so
they've
seen
it
they've
actually
provided
some
input.
I've
amended
it
based
on
what
they've
said.
So
why
didn't
they
write
this
in
the
report?
Well
because
I
mean
they're
the
report
who
came
up
with
their
set
of
recommendations
by
way
of
us
sitting
on
this
committee.
A
B
Thank
you
if
I
can
be,
if
I
can
be
helpful
as
well.
These
discussions
are
also
held
happening,
as
the
house
plan
is
actually
being
put
together
that
the
discussions
about
moving
into
an
income,
so
this
is
actually
very
much
into
the
level
of
discussion
that
staff
is
having
so
staff
is
I.
Think,
okay,
yeah.
Thank
you
sure.
Councillor.
A
H
H
So,
by
asking
them
to
provide
options
instead
of
what
the
final
conclusion
would
be:
you're,
not
prejudging
what
the
results
of
the
consultation
will
be:
you're,
not
prejudging
what
a
what
committee
will
do
when
the
report
comes
back,
you're,
not
prejudging
what
Council
will
do
and
you're
not
prejudging
what
will
happen
in
Ward
50.
That.
H
H
Inclusionary
zoning
is
is,
is
complex
because
you're
dealing
with
multiple
variables,
you're
dealing
with
the
period
you're
dealing
with
the
affordability
level,
you're
dealing
with
the
percentage
of
units,
and
if
you
move
one
variable,
you
have
an
impact
on
the
other
and
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
that
you
know.
From
my
point
of
view,
the
most
important
of
those
variables
is
the
period
of
affordability.
H
If
we
achieve
great
things
with
making
a
large
percentage
of
units
deeply
affordable.
But
if
it's
for
a
20-year
period,
all
we've
done
is
kicked
the
can
down
the
road.
So
I
will
be
keeping
my
eye
on
the
report
back
having
as
having
some
emphasis
or
some
options
available
for
us
to
consider
for
permanent
affordability.
I
don't
want
to
get
on
a
merry-go-round
where
we
have
to
make
new
public
investments
every
20
or
40
years
in
order
to
rescue
people
who
are
currently
an
affordable.
H
How
but
are
about
to
lose
it
because
the
term
runs
out.
If
there's
anything,
we've
learned
in
the
current
crisis,
job
one
is
to
protect
the
affordable
units
that
you
have
we're
currently
losing
affordable
units
faster
than
we
build
them.
So
I
don't
want
to
recreate
that
circumstance
by
having
a
short
period
of
affordability,
I
want
to
see
options
with
permanent
affordability,
the
and
and
on
that
point,
I
don't
want
to
achieve
the
permanent
affordability
by
having
some
kind
of
a
subsidy
from
public
money
or
through
waiving
or
deferring
charges.
H
If
we
have
public
money
available
to
invest
in
affordable
housing,
where
we
can
do
it
much
more
effectively
by
directly
investing
in
social
housing
on
publicly
owned
sites
that
yields
a
higher
and
better
higher
number
of
and
better
affordable
units
than
by
using
this
tool,
so
I
don't
want
to
achieve
the
the
permanence
through
additional
public
dollar
subsidies,
either
by
waiving
charges
or
direct
investment.
That's
very
important
to
me.
The
third
thing
that
I
wanted
to
say
is
I
was
quite
shocked
to
see
the
effect
that
bill
108
has
on
the
inclusionary
zoning
process.
H
The
province
has
presented
their
legislation
is
somehow
an
effort
to
improve
affordable
housing
and
in
Toronto
and
Ontario
they
they
call
it
more
choice,
more
housing
or
whatever.
It
is
I
actually
think
it's
less
housing.
Less
choice
is
the
effect,
as
we've
seen
here
by
slowing
down
and
limiting
the
number
of
places
where
inclusionary
zoning
can
actually
happen,
and
it
just
I'm
just
here
going
to
redouble
my
commitment,
doing
everything
I
can
to
getting
that
terrible
piece
of
planning
legislation
stopped
or
overturned.
C
Fletcher
I
have
a
couple
of
motions
here
and
based
on
some
of
the
deputations
today.
The
first
one
is
the
planning,
Housing
Committee
direct,
the
public
consultation
on
proposed
Official
Plan
inclusionary
zoning
policy
directions
and
affordable
ownership.
Housing
definition
also
include
the
following.
So
basically
sending
these
to
the
consultation,
apply
iz2
as
a
right
and
rezone
development
apply.
C
We
have
that
I
was
point,
as
was
pointed
out
in
my
questions
for
the
11
sites,
but
we
have
a
lot
more
sites
that
there's
land
transactions
taking
place
where
we're
not
actually
achieving
that
and
I'm
just
going
to
go
back
to
that
five-story
parking
garage
which
may
have
brought
in
some
revenue,
but
when
you're
building
housing
already
I
think
we
understand
it
just
makes
so
much
sense
to
bake
in
affordable
units,
and
there
are
ways
to
do
that
that
make
it
painless
once
we
get
them
built.
The
city
could
own
that
floor.
C
No
profit
could
own
that
floor.
It
can
be
operated
by
a
non-profit.
The
city
owns
that
as
we're
doing
at
the
Red
Door
we're
going
to
own
that
shelter,
it's
within
a
condo.
We
have
to
be
creative.
We
have
to
break
the
mold
and
I'm
going
to
say
that
it
should
cover
more
buildings,
because
the
scope
where
it
is
it's
only
in
tall
buildings,
I'm
concerned
with
our
mid
rise,
we'll
never
get
anything
affordable
and
the
mid
rise
development
is
great.
C
Our
policy
was
great,
but
what's
happening
is
it's
now
driving
out
stable
rental
units
as
they're
being
flipped
and
people
are
moving
in
now
that
they're
flipping
for
higher
rent
they're
run
evicting
a
lot
of
people
in
areas
where
we've
created
a
different
policy.
So
that's
an
unintended
consequence
and
what
I
just
say
a
mixed
opportunity,
a
missed
opportunity,
I,
don't
think
we
engaged
the
public
enough
and
we
have
great
people
that
came
here
this
morning.
C
I,
don't
think
that
we
engage
the
public
enough
and
give
them
what
I'll
call
decision
points
are
they
concerned
about
affordable
housing?
We
know
that
they
are.
We
had
an
election
less
than
a
year
ago.
They
are
concerned
about
affordable
housing
and
we
need
to
have
that
conversation.
Does
that
mean
that
there's
an
extra
floor?
Does
that
mean
there's
extra
units
that
you
want
in
order
to
to
deal
with
existing
planning
studies
that
we
put
in
place
that
are
very
hard
caps?
C
We
will
never
have
an
affordable
unit
on
a
number
of
streets
in
the
city
because
we
have
hard
caps
and
I
want
to
actually
look
at
that
as
well.
I
didn't
put
that
in
here,
but
that
is
something
we
need
to
have
that
conversation
and
I'd
like
to
add
affordable
housing
into
all
planning
studies
going
forward,
but
I'm
not
doing
that
in
my
residence.
Thank
you,
Oh
counselor.
B
C
I
Question
of
the
mover-
and
it
was
about
that
if
this
is
something
that
real
estate
would
be
involved
in
and
then
the
follow
up
would
be,
we
have
the
new
stage
gating
process
for
affordable
housing
that
was
at
this
committee
last
meeting.
Is
this
something
that
would
tie
in
I'm
done
talking
about?
The
second
motion
is
that
something
that
we
would
tie
in
with
that.
C
I
C
C
You
know
what
I
would
just
say.
Let
me
go
back
to
the
example
that
you
may
have
heard
already
about
the
parking
authority-
garages,
five
storeys
above
ground-
that
development
could
not
take
place
without
that
parking
authority
garage,
that's
the
same
footprint.
What
did
we
get
for
that?
Did
we
just
get
money?
Did
the
Wizard
more
parking?
C
Where
did
we?
Where
was
the
decision
point
that
we
would
have
a
hundred
stories
of
unaffordable
condos
with
no
affordable
housing
and
extra
parking
or
extra
money
to
the
city?
So
that's
really
the
discussion
that
we're
having
counselor
and
right
now,
it's
all
being
made
without
this
lens
and
I
think
it's
time
to
put
this
lens
on.
It
can
I.
C
B
B
That's
why
I
put
the
chief,
the
the
appropriate
staff,
because
I
do
believe
that
our
CFO
needs
to
be
involved
in
that,
like
you,
do
need
different
lenses.
Looking
at
this,
this
is
not
planning
zoning
policy.
This
is
a
city
policy
on
real
estate
and
financial
and
so
on,
yeah,
okay,
councillor
Bradford.
I
Thanks
very
much
I'd
like
to
thank
staff
for
all
of
their
hard
work
on
this,
as
we've
heard
this
morning,
both
from
the
consultant
and
staff
and
deputy.
This
is
an
incredibly
complex
file,
as
councillor
perks
was
just
saying
many
different
moving
parts
to
that.
Even
the
tenure
nature,
of
how
we're
talking
about
housing
in
the
city
has
huge
impacts
on
how
this
rolls
out.
Finally,
getting
towards
inclusionary
zoning
sort
of
seeing
the
light
at
the
end
of
the
tunnel.
There
is
a
critical
piece
for
addressing
housing.
I
I
Never
has
that
been
more
important
than
with
the
recent
introduction
of
bill
108,
of
course,
and
the
changes
in
the
implications
for
inclusionary
zoning
that
are
frankly
quite
concerning,
but
we
heard
today
in
the
presentation,
a
quarter
of
renter
households
are
spending
more
than
half
their
income
on
housing.
That's
not
sustainable
asking
rents
for
units
are
40%
above
CMHC
average.
Is
that
the
best
metric
to
look
at
a
fifth
of
renter
households
are
living
in
unsuitable
housing
and
we
have
vacancy
rates
at
1.1
percent
across
the
market,
but
even
lower
for
deeper,
more
affordable
units.
I
So
with
those
kind
of
conditions,
it
really
is
the
most
important
thing.
You
know
that
that
I'm,
considering
when
reviewing
this
report,
is
that
we
need
to
do
as
much
as
we
can
with
this
tool
and
I
do
appreciate.
Councillor
Fletcher's
motion
there
too,
to
expand
the
scope
of
some
of
the
things
we're
gonna
look
at
in
the
consultation.
I
We
can't
miss
this
as
an
opportunity
and
we've
heard
about
our
colleague,
councillor
Layton,
when
he
was
here,
the
thousands
of
units
that
could
have
been
produced
had
we
secured
inclusionary
zoning
and
earlier
date
and
and
that
comes
up
over
and
over
again
and
I
think
it.
You
know
it
hurts
all
of
us
when
we
hear
about
those
numbers
and
the
missed
opportunities
that
we've
had
as
Toronto's
continued
to
grow
over
the
past
decades.
I
So
we're
gonna
take
that
crucial
step
of
going
forward
with
public
consultation
on
these
policies
and
and
to
the
deputy
earlier
making
sure
that
we're
ambitious
with
what
we
want
to
hear
back
on.
That's
that's
really
important.
Let's,
let's
hear
back
on
more
options,
let's,
let's
understand
the
the
financial
impacts
on
that,
let's
understand
the
impacts
of
our
ability
to
actually
achieve
and
deliver
affordable
housing
and
inclusionary
zoning,
and
then
we
can
come
forward
with
the
recommendations
that
really
reflect
the
priorities
of
our
communities
and
and
the
City
of
Toronto
going
forward.
I
Not
not
just
in
the
strong
market
areas,
but
also
that
transitionary
piece
recognizing
that
you
know
what's
a
strong
market
today
and
what's
a
strong
market
tomorrow
may
not
be
the
exact
same
thing.
We
need
to
make
sure
we
can
account
for
that
and
if
we
are
going
back
to
an
old,
the
old
OMB
world,
where
we
have
to
debate
what
makes
good
planning
in
the
merits
of
good
planning,
then
for
me,
there's
no
question
that
affordability,
inclusive
development
is
good
planning
and
that's
how
we
should
be
defining
it.
I
B
B
I
think
that's
how
you
need
to
look
at
the
policy
and
how
do
you
analyze
this
data
and
work
at
the
data?
I
think
that
everybody
wants
to
get
to
that
place
so
using
the
expertise
that
we
have
in
the
city,
people
in
the
sector
that
can
work
with
us
and
looking
at
this
data
I
remember
a
few.
A
few
years
ago,
I
met
the
the
deputy
city
mayor
for
New
York
and
they
had
revamped
their
inclusionary
zoning
and
I
said.
So.
B
What's
your
advice
because
we're
starting
to
look
at
this
in
Toronto
and
she
said,
look
at
the
economics
of
this
issue.
This
is
more
of
an
economic
issue
than
a
planning,
a
zoning
issue.
If
you
don't
make
it
work
economically,
you
get
nothing
out
of
this.
It
has
to
work
economically
it
you
have
to
find
that
soft
spot
where
they
can
handle
development
can
continue,
but
you
you
have
the
highest
amount
of
affordable
housing
that
you
can
get
out
of
that
development.
B
B
Everybody
should
be
benefitting
out
of
that
that
in
an
industry,
including
our
city,
and
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
to
create
in
here
is
a
zoning
system
that
is
going
to
translate
into
some
of
those
those
units
so
that
we
build
healthy
communities.
You
know,
I
tell
everybody
at
the
same
way
that
we
need
them
to
have
healthy
development
industry
to
the
developers.
I
tell
them
as
well.
B
You
know
you
need
a
healthy
City
and
the
only
way
you
have
a
healthy
city
is
that
people
can
continue
to
live
in
here
and
live
and
have
adequate
and
safe
housing.
You
need
that
in
a
city
to
continue
this
trend
that
you
have
in
the
industry
as
well,
so
we
need
to
come
together
as
a
city
to
create
a
policy
that
has
got
to
translate
into
real
affordability,
real
units,
I
think
that
we
can
do
it.
B
This
is
just
the
first
step,
but
I
think
that
the
most
important
thing
that
we
have
to
talk
about
also
right
now
is
that
we
are
here
we're
ready,
we're
ready
to
have
this
conversation
with
Torontonians.
We
might
have
a
draft
policy
that
needs
some
discussion.
That
needs
some
further
looking
into
some
of
these
points,
but
we've
made
it
this
far.
So
there's
no
reason
for
us
to
yet
again
have
to
do
more
transportation
studies
and
other
studies
we're
ready
to
go.
B
We
could
have
this
implemented
in
a
few
months,
so
we
need
to
make
sure
that
bill
108
is
not
going
to
delayed
this
process.
We
need
every
single
unit
as
fast
as
possible
and
and
and
to
start
the
clock
ticking
to
make
sure
that,
as
the
developments
are
coming
into
to
the
City
of
Toronto
as
applications
are
coming
in
that
we
can
start
applying
that
inclusionary
zoning
one
day
of
the
lay
is
too
much.
B
H
B
Conversations
like
I
want
to
have
be
able
to
have
Steve,
Pomeroy
and
Sean
Mahara
and-
and
you
know
that
build
as
well
I
want
everybody
to
be
able
to
see
okay.
This
is
how
we
analyze
it.
This
is
how
we're
doing
and
to
be
able
to
talk
to
each
other.
So
we
can
have
conversations
about
the
data.
I
think
everybody
agrees
that
we
need
evidence
based
decision
on
this.
We
want
to
get
to
the
same
place.
So
why
not
get
our
skills
together
and
and
share?
B
B
B
F
B
B
So
this
is
to
ask
staff
to
work
with
transportation
and
report
back
on
the
possibility
of
creating
in
the
areas
where
their
space
allowed
permits
for
the
traits,
because,
as
you
know,
when
you
have
construction
in
the
residential
area,
if
you
can't
just
if
you
have
construction
going
on
for
three
months
or
four
months,
you
can't
take
visitor
permit
apartments
every
day.
So
it's
just
your
report.
This
is
just
a
report
asking,
if
would
be,
what
would
be?
What
could
something
like
this
work.
C
Just
on
this
I
think
this
is
great
I'll
remind
everybody
that
City
Council
did
pass
a
motion
that
would
allow
on
in
permit
parking
areas
when
it's
not
unsafe,
to
be
able
to
park
a
vehicle
on
the
other
side
of
the
street
temporarily
and
the
police
have
refused
to
acknowledge
that.
So
I'd
like
to
bake
that
into
that,
because
the
mayor
is
on
it
was
a
Police
Services
Board
decision
not
to
support
it.
Okay,.
B
F
Justic
staff,
as
you
know,
something
I've
been
passionate
about.
Is
the
dust
suppression
piece?
So
what
now
changes
on
that
piece
to
help
the
you
know
the
neighbors
and
people
affected
by
this
type
of
ongoing
activity
for
sometimes
months
at
one
end,
so
you'll
recall
in
May
of
2018
council
adopted
a
new
biker
new
UI,
lock
called
dust.
It
came
into
force
in
effect
in
September,
so
it's
been
enforcement
effect
a
little
over
eight
months.
What
it
does
is
it
provides
the
industry
with
options
to
use
certain
tools
and
materials
to
mitigate
that
dust.
F
It
also
advises
them
to
to
tarp
and
do
other
mitigating
strategies
to
keep
that
dust
on
their
property
and
reduce
the
nuisance
to
the
neighbors.
Great,
that's
fantastic
news.
Thank
you
for
your
work
on
that
and
your
team.
What
about
information?
A
notification
what's
improved
on
that
front,
so
we
did
extensive
communication
with
the
industry
in
the
fall
to
a
number
of
trades
that
are
listed
on
page
11
at
the
bottom
of
the
report.
F
So
a
number
of
the
associations
that
are
involved
with
the
construction
industry
through
the
complaints
that
have
come
in
in
the
short
time
that
the
bylaw
has
been
in
place.
We
have
been
working
with
residents
and
the
industry
on
a
compliance
based
really
on
an
education
piece.
This
is
a
new
piece
of
piece
of
legislation.
It's
really
important
to
outline
the
rules.
F
There
are
new
rules
and
so
that
everyone
is
aware
of
what
they
are
and
we've
had
a
fairly
good
success
rate,
and
what
about
on
the
notification
boards
do
they
now
include
information
about
dust
like
what
is
some
of
the
successes
on
you
know?
Also
enforcing
it
as
well.
Have
you
had
any
successes
since
the
starting?
F
It's
primarily
been
on
education,
letting
people
know
that
you
cannot
do
this
and
then
working
with
them
to
find
out
ways
to
reduce
it,
so
contractors
want
to
get
along,
they
get
their
business
from
referrals
and
it's
important
for
them
to
to
be
good.
Neighbors.
No,
but
I
mean
you
continue.
I
haven't
seen
it
recently,
but
clouds
up
we'll
see
it.
The
springs
clouds
of
dust
coming
from
sites,
like
literally
just
almost
graying
the
whole
community,
so
do
you
feel
like
you're
gonna,
have
make
progress
on
those
fronts,
I
hope,
so
we
will.
F
B
B
B
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair
good
afternoon
committee.
My
name
is
Nicholas
campin
II
I
am
the
applicant
of
the
sine
Bible
amendment
application
before
you
9:23
oxford
street,
in
Etobicoke,
I'm
joined
by
my
colleague
here
on
the
right
who
is
a
former
director
of
legislation
for
Pattison
outdoors,
ed
Catalano
and
we're
here
in
support
of
application.
We
are
seeking
approval
to
permit
a
single-sided
electronic
advertising
sign
on
property,
which
is
intended
to
advertise
to
traffic
traveling
along
the
garden
expressway.
J
In
accordance
with
this
proposal,
we
are
seeking
approval
to
print
a
sign
that
would
contain
electronics
that
I
copy.
Only
there
will
be
no
motion,
no
flashing
or
animation.
It
would
maintain
the
minimum
required
transition
time
between
advertisements
and
instantaneously
transition
ad
copy
between
slides
the
memantine
requested,
her
with
respect
to
the
size
and
height
separation,
distances
hours,
illumination
and
permit
duration.
J
This
photo
outlines
a
property
in
red
we're
the
prosign
location
is
shown
here
as
outlined
in
yellow
now
the
Sun
is
intended
for
traffic
traveling
eastbound
and
into
the
city,
and
only
is
once
on
pace
as
I've
said.
So
this
is
the
cosine
looking
in
the
easterly
direction
and
is
shown
against
a
plate
plain
white
background
here.
J
This
is
the
reverse
of
the
sign,
which
will
not
contain
any
advertising
coffee
and
will
be
supplied
by
Wolfram
power.
We've
also
spoken
with
them
regarding
solar
panel
energy
supply,
the
sign-
and
we
believe,
there's
a
way
to
do
that
here,
so
we'd
like
to
propose
that
this
sign
have
the
solar
panel
backing
where
there
is
no
ever
causing
copy
displayed
on
the
sign.
J
So
this
is
what
motorists
would
see:
I'm
traveling,
eastbound
long,
the
garden
expressway
into
the
city,
where
her
post
sign
is
shown
there
on
the
right
portion
of
the
screen.
For
those
of
you
may
be
familiar.
This
is
where
the
purple
gorilla
on
the
party
sword
used
to
be
located.
They
have
since
taking
the
property
and
been
replaced
by
a
new
tenant
and
property
owner.
J
So
in
getting
to
you
sort
of
like
the
meat
potatoes
of
this
application,
the
solar
property
is
shown
here
is
that
one
in
red
and
this
image
is
a
snippet
of
the
signed
view,
mapping
tool
and
this
shows
all
the
designations,
so
the
properties
as
relates
to
the
Official
Plan
and
the
sign
bylaw
designations.
So
as
you
look
at
the
legend
in
the
bottom
left
hand,
corner
you'll
seen
that
the
employments
and
districts
are
outlined
with
purple
shaded
areas,
well
the
commercial
residential
or
ad
in
orange,
and
the
open
space
in
green.
J
J
Councillor
comes
from
our
crimes
and
during
our
conversations
with
him,
we
have
adjusted
a
proposal
so
that,
during
the
period
between
sunset
and
sunrise,
we
would
like
to
dim
the
brightness
of
the
sign
by
50%
and
effectively.
What
this
is
doing
is
further
separating
that
sign
from
any
sensitive
land
uses,
and
we
had
an
expert
he
was
here
who
has
since
had
to
step
out
briefly,
but
he
would
be
more
adept
act.
And/Or
answer
any
questions
you
guys
might
have
with
that.
J
Now
it's
also
important
to
look
at
where
the
context
of
the
sign
is
located
in
the
area.
There
is
an
existing
inventory
of
electronic
signs.
They've
been
printed
since
2009,
and
this
image
here
shows
five
of
these
16
signs.
There's
also
an
additional
sign
which
is
taller
than
these
sign
structures,
which
is
yet
been
built
by
the
applicant
who
originally
submitted.
J
J
So
when
we
compare
this
information
here
on
a
map,
you
know
it's
important
to
look
at
what
this
distribution
is,
where
the
sign
below
permits.
Currently
special
regulations
for
electronic
signs
is
in
the
Liberty
Village
area
and
that's
the
specialist
under
shake
which
permits
as
a
right
signs
be
located
within
the
Gardiner
Expressway.
J
J
H
H
J
Is
not
correct.
We
have
not
applied
for
a
similar
sign
as
Paterson
outdoor
advertising.
This
is
the
the
sign
burns
committee
has
looked
at
these
types
of
applications
in
the
past.
Oh
I'm,
sorry
I
made
it
part
of
the
public
record
during
their
deputations
that
they
are
not
in
place
to
consider
these
large
type
of
applications.
They
are
there
for
minor
variances,
which
fall
short
just
barely
what
the
by
law
requires.
H
Okay,
so
so
you're
here,
because
the
process
we
set
up
allows
for
a
review
of
minor
variance,
is
based
on
site
local
site
conditions,
and
your
assessment
is,
your
sign
would
fail
that
test,
so
you're
coming
here
to
ask
us
to
change
the
whole
bylaw
just
for
your
site.
That's
why
you're
here
correct
in
a
roundabout
way?
Yes,
okay,
good
I,
understand
that
so
I
heard
you
say
that
you've
met
with
the
local
councillor.
If,
before
council
I
go
and
check,
the
lobbyist
registrar
will
I
find
that
you've
met
with
other
councillors
on
this
sign.
H
J
H
I
want
to
understand
what
the
public
and
private
interests
that
I'm
trading
off
are
here.
Surely,
if
you're,
making
an
investment
in
our
area
you're
considering
making
an
investment
because
it'll
cost
you
some
money,
you've
done
a
business
case,
so
you
must
have
some
sense
of
what
your
rate
card
would
be.
Can
you
show
me
the
rate
card
for
your
current?
What
you
currently
get
on
that
location
and
what
you
plan
to
get
on
that
location
there.
H
Zero,
what
would
you
be
getting?
What
is
it
like?
You've
done
a
business
case.
No,
but
I
mean
I,
know,
Patterson
I
know
you're,
not
stupid
guys.
You
must
have,
if
you're,
considering
making
an
investment
of
this
size.
Some
business
case
you
did,
can
I
see
the
proposed
rate
card
for
what
you
will
achieve
on
this
side
again,.
J
J
C
C
C
B
C
No
questions
of
staff
I
just
have
a
question
of
staff.
The
deputy
has
suggested
that
the
signed
variance
committee
has
made
their
opinion
known
that
they
don't
believe
these.
This
application
should
be
heard
at
the
sign
variance
committee
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
that
is
the
case
or
how
that
was
made.
Was
that
in
writing
have
they
instructed
these?
These
sign
companies
to
come
here?
What's
the
cutoff
between
the
signed
variance
committee
and
this
committee.
I
K
The
chair
there
is
a
regulation
in
the
bylaw
that
would
govern
the
time
of
day
that
a
sign
could
operate.
It
would
have
to
shut
off
at
11:00
p.m.
at
night
and
turn
back
on
again
at
7:00
a.m.
for
this
application.
They
have
asked
to
run
the
sign
24
hours,
which
is
actually
consistent
with
the
other
signs
in
the
area,
but
under
normal
circumstances
there
are
those
those
hours
of
operations,
there's
also
brightness
restrictions
that
would
be
placed
on
a
sign
after
sunset
and
before
sunrise,
the
lighting
levels
would
have
to
be
reduced.
K
I
I
K
K
That's
correct
location,
location
being
outside
of
the
permitted
area
too
close
to
the
Gardiner
Expressway,
the
size,
the
height
the
hours
of
operation
and
in
this
application,
the
term
of
the
sign
permit
oh
and
I'm.
Sorry,
proximity
to
other
signs
as
well.
It's
within
the
required
separation,
distance
to
both
nearby
static
signs
and
electronic
signs.
B
J
J
Now
in
accordance
again
with
the
city
signed
by
law,
any
in
accordance
again
with
the
city
signed
by
law,
this
sign
will
contain
only
static
images.
We
need
there
be
no
motion,
no
flashing
or
animation
maintain
the
minimum
required
transition
time
in
instantaneously
transition
ad
copy
again
much
like
the
last.
The
members
he
requested
are
with
respect
to.
They
propose
signs,
separation,
distances,
size
and
height
hours
of
illumination
and
permit
duration.
J
This
slide
shows
an
aerial
photo
of
the
property.
With
again
the
property
boundaries
outlined
in
red
now,
unsub
property
can
be
found,
a
variety
of
business
and
economic
related
activities
which
include
a
restaurant
and
car
dealership
on
the
Queensway
frontage.
Well,
there's
a
brewery
and
a
warehouse
and
distribution
facility
along
the
southern
edge.
Close
to
the
Gardiner
Expressway,
the.
J
J
Where,
again,
we
look
to
install
a
solar
panel
methods
of
power
in
the
sign
on
the
reverse
of
the
sign
will
be
no
ad
copy
and
we've
also
made
agreements
with
both
front
power
to
supply
renewable
energy
sources.
To
this
sign,
this
image
shows
the
traffic
traveling
westbound
along
the
Gardiner
Expressway
again
leaving
the
city
either
onto
the
403
or
the
427
northbound.
J
In
the
slide
here
again
is
taken
from
the
city's
zombie
mapping
tool,
which
outlines
the
sign
districts
which
are
stem
from
the
city's
official
plan
for
the
area
and,
as
you
know,
by
here
again
to
the
north
east,
south
and
west,
these
are
all
employment
areas
that
are
intended
support
the
business
activity
within
the
area.
Now
you
will
note
that
there
is
two
large
orange
shaded
areas
to
the
north
and
to
the
east,
to
the
north
is
in
a
Lisa
Lowe's,
and
it
can
tire
well
to
the
east
is
IKEA.
J
J
Just
to
summarize,
as
well
as
build
on
what
I've
said
previously,
so
there
is
a
special
sign
district
within
the
City
of
Toronto,
which
stems
from
about
the
Dufferin
bridge
along
the
garden
express
which
you
near
the
strong
Road
as
well,
and
in
that
area.
Signs
are
committed
to
be
low-key
within
the
garden
expressway
at
any
setback.
The
arrows
purported
special
provisions
that
allowed
them
to
be
larger
in
size
than
anywhere
else
in
the
city.
J
The
lights
are
not
required
to
be
turned
off
at
any
period
and,
for
you
know,
councillor
perks,
who
was
a
former
councillor
in
that
Ward
or
the
former
Ward.
You
know
he
can
attest
to
the
fact
that
there
is
no
consistency
that
the
signs
are
located
in
the
area.
They
are
all
various
sizes,
Heights
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
There
is
no
consistency,
but
when
we
look
at
what
is
currently
existing
within
this
area,
where
we
proposed
in
the
sign
there
is
an
established
set
of
standards,
and
that
is
what's
behind
you
there.
J
These
five
signs
are
all
in
existence
have
been
issued
since
2009
onwards,
with
the
most
recent
approval
being
in
2027
arapaima
2017.
These
are
not
necessary
new
approvals.
These
signs
have
been
here
in
existence
for
quite
a
while,
many
of
which
are
issued
a
perpetuity
where
we
are
seeking
a
10-year
permit,
that's
cause.
We
know
that
there's
gonna
be
no
change.
The
area,
the
location,
the
property
has
been
the
employment
designated
district,
since
you
know
well
before
I
was
born
and
probably
well
after
I'm
dead.
J
So
in
consideration
of
that
we're
the
opinion
that
the
sign
is
permitted
and
would
be
a
contributing
factor
to
this
area
and
further,
you
know
we
have
met
with
councilor
department.
We
have
consulted
with
councilor
crimes
on
this
matter
through
our
communications
and
she's
noted
for
both
these
applications
that
he
is
in
support.
He
feels
that
these
would
contribute
to
his
his
ward
in
positive
ways
and
he's
recommended
that
the
committee
vote
to
approve
the
requested
variances
that
were
seeking
to
remit
these
signs
here.
H
H
Okay,
you
made
reference
to
part
of
your
argument
being
that
there
should
be
consistency.
The
signs
there
that
are
larger
than
what
they
is
signed
by
law
permitted.
Did
they
come
to
council
with,
as
the
result
of
staff
saying
this
is
a
good
sign
proposal,
or
were
they
ones
that
were
done
by
council,
overturning
the
advice
from
staff.
J
H
H
J
H
J
H
H
Well
then,
I'll
ask
it
again,
so
you
argued
previously
that
there
should
be
consistency
so,
rather
than
making
an
application
true
to
sign
variance
process
which
would
have
kept
it
consistent.
You
have
brought
here
a
proposal
that
we
waive
the
consistent
rule
for
a
five-year
limit
and
instead
give
you
a
site-specific
change.
That
is
inconsistent
with
everything
else
that
we
would
approve
through
the
sign
variance
process.
Is
that
correct.
J
When
we
were
reviewing
this
application
prior
to
submitting
it,
we
are
looking
what
the
context
the
area
currently
is,
and
in
that
regard,
a
number
of
the
signs.
The
father's
are
existing
I
believe
for
the
five
are
issued
in
perpetuity.
So
in
respect
of
that,
we
believe
that
the
10-year
permit
term
is
consistent
with
what
the
area
is
and
that's
why
we've
come
through
this
method,
seeking
approval
for
our
sign.
Okay,
those
are
my
questions.
B
J
J
The
intent
of
the
bylaw
is
to
review
each
location
and
review
and
consider
if
the
sign
is
still
consistent
with
the
area
it's
been
permitted
for
and
in
this
regard,
when
we
look
at
the
area
as
an
employment
hub
for
the
city
where
signs
like
this
are
permitted
to
being
located
as
of
right,
we
are
confident,
based
on
our
conversations
with
staff
in
the
plane
Department,
that
there
will
be
no
large-scale
changes
that
would
redesign
at
these
properties
to
meet
them.
Inconsistent
with
the
area
such
as
sensitive
land
uses,
like
parks
or
other
residential.
J
B
K
K
C
K
So
through
the
chair,
based
on
the
proximity
of
the
sign
to
the
Gardiner
Expressway,
the
fact
that
it
is
not
in
the
Gardiner
gateway
special
sign
district,
the
size
of
the
sign,
the
height
of
the
sign,
didn't
sign
clutter
in
the
general
area.
It
doesn't
meet
the
separation
distance
to
other
electronic
signs.
So
there's
an
to.
C
I
K
There
is
a
back
and
forth
through
the
chair.
There
is
a
back
and
forth
these
applications
come
in
at
the
end.
They
came
in
on
December
31st,
so
there
was
a
back
and
forth
where
we
would
express
our
concerns
or
our
reservations
on
any
application.
Perhaps
you
know
ask
for
maybe
second
thoughts
on
certain
aspects
or
even
bringing
the
application
in
the
first
place,
so
I.
I
Guess
to
clarify,
like
you
could
say,
you
know
this
is
too
big.
This
is
too
close.
This
is
running
overnight.
We
don't
permit
overnight.
You
seem
to
be
applying
for
ten
years.
We
typically
do
this
in
five
years.
There's
an
opportunity
for
that
feedback,
and
then
an
applicant
can
choose
to
acknowledge
that
feedback
or
disregard
that
that's
great
okay
did
specifically,
did
you
speak
with
the
applicants
about
these
projects.
K
H
I'm
gonna
be
moving
the
staff
recommendation
to
refuse
no
a
long.
Long
time
ago,
before
I
I
got
engaged
in
community
activism
in
local
politics,
I
worked
in
day
care
and
the
worst
part
of
day
care
was
nap
time.
The
kids
would
do
anything
to
avoid
the
nap
they
go
to
the
other
daycare
worker
and
say
Gordy
wants
us
to
have
a
nap.
Now
we
don't
want
to
have
a
nap
now
they
throw
temper
tantrums,
they
say
they
needed
to
brush
their
teeth.
They'd
do
anything
they
could
to
avoid
nap
time.
H
H
We
were
taken
to
court
there's
a
lawyer
in
the
room
one
time
who,
when
I
was
chair
of
Toronto
V's
jerk,
Community
Council
when
we
turned
to
sign
down,
took
us
to
court,
they
go
to
the
sign
variance
committee
and,
if
that's
not
working,
they
go
here,
they
go
to
the
local
counselor.
They
do
anything
they
can
to
avoid
nap
time.
Nap
time
is
actually
having
a
reasonable
comfortable
relationship
between
private
advertising
in
public
spaces
and
the
people
who
use
public
spaces
guys
it's
nap
time.
B
H
J
B
B
L
You
and
good
afternoon
to
the
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
speaking
on
2904
Sheppard
Avenue,
as
I
believe
the
staff
report
has
left
out
a
bit
of
the
context
that
I
think
is
important
for
this
particular
application.
The
signing
question
is
a
roof
sign
its
erected
at
the
corner
of
Victoria,
Park
and
Sheppard.
It
has
been
at
the
corner
of
Victoria,
Park
and
Sheppard
for
over
15
years
back
in
2003,
when
the
owner
of
the
building
originally
applied
to
erect
a
roof
sign
on
the
building.
L
At
that
time
there
was
actually
an
official
planned
policy
in
Scarborough
that
prevented
what
they
called
non
accessory
roof
signs
from
being
approved
in
that
particular
section
of
Scarborough
I
believe
was
the
lamoureux
secondary
plan.
So,
at
the
time
when
the
landlord
came
forward,
he
was
told
that
he
had
to
get
a
secondary
plan
amendment
a
zoning,
bylaw
amendment
and
then
come
forward
for
a
signed,
bylaw
amendment.
So
the
application
was
provided
to
the
city.
It
went
before
Scarborough
Community
Council,
it
was
assessed
and
it
was
recommended
for
approval.
L
That
recommendation
then
went
to
City
Council
and
it
was
adopted
by
City
Council.
The
application
was
then
followed
up
by
an
application
to
amend
the
sign
by
law
with
the
Official
Plan
amendment
and
zoning
bylaw
amendment
in
place.
The
staff
recommendation
at
that
time
was
for
approval
of
the
sign,
bylaw
amendment
and
so
at
the
time
a
roof
sign
with
static
third
party
display
was
approved
at
this
particular
location
that
was
in
2003,
and
the
sign
was
erected
shortly
thereafter
in
2004.
Now,
at
the
time
the
original
applications
went
forward.
L
There
really
wasn't
a
clear
answer
on
that
and
I
reviewed
the
Scarborough
bylaw
myself
before
attending
and
even
I
can't
figure
out
whether
or
not
a
Scarborough
signed
bylaw
once
upon
a
time
regulated
the
type
of
display
between
static
and
third-party
illuminated
or
third-party
LED
display.
So
in
2009
the
the
display
was
altered
and
an
electronic
display
was
erected
at
the
site
and
it
has
been
on
continuous
display
at
the
site
ever
since
then.
So.
We're
talking
about
10
years
of
having
this
site
sign
in
the
same
position
with
an
electronic
static
display.
L
The
city
by
law
enforcement
has
taken
issue
with
the
sign
and
has
said
to
our
client
or
my
client
that
there
needs
to
be
recognition
under
the
existing
bylaw
that
this
sign
is
permitted
or
it
has
to
come
down.
This
is
part
and
parcel
of
a
number
of
different
prosecution's
that
my
office
was
working
with
assigned
by
law
unit
to
resolve
on
behalf
of
status
and
primarily
dealing
with
roof
signs
throughout
the
city.
L
On
this
particular
application,
it
was
Patterson's
desire
to
file
the
necessary
application
with
the
city
for
a
site-specific
sign,
bylaw
amendment
to
legalize
what
exists
there
today.
So,
while
the
staff
report
approaches
this
afresh,
looking
at
what
it
would
the
assessment,
they
would
give
for
a
sign
that
was
being
added
there
for
the
first
time.
L
It
is
a
third
party
sign
erected
on
the
roof,
so
it
does
require
a
site-specific
bylaw
amendment,
which
is
why
we're
here
and
not
at
the
sign
variance
committee,
but
in
all
other
respects,
Patterson
has
indicated
that
they
are
prepared
to
live
with
the
requirements
of
the
sign
bylaw.
So
there
is
no
request
for
an
extension
of
the
sunset
clause
or
a
longer
permit.
There
is
also
a
proposal
to
rien
--gel
the
sign
to
so
it
is
less
impactful,
potentially
on
the
nearby
residential,
as
well
as
to
add
individual
louvers
on
the
LED
diodes.
L
H
L
H
H
L
The
charge
has
been
laid
for
erecting
a
sign
with
other
requisite
permit.
There's
been
discussion
as
to
whether
or
not
the
permit
would
have
allowed
for
this
type
of
change
over,
but
okay,
what
I'm
speaking
to
is
any
complaints
or
comments
as
part
of
this
application
from
residents.
Those
are
my
questions.
Thank.
H
B
K
The
sign
was
prior
to
the
current
bylaw
and
even
the
current
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw.
This
sign
was
approved
under
the
former
Scarborough
Official
Plan
zoning
bylaw
and
signed
by
law
for
a
static
roof
sign.
The
new
sign
by
law
came
into
effect
about
ten
years
ago.
This
sign
was
converted
just
prior
to
that
we
received
complaints.
We
laid
charges.
It
has
been
two
courts.
B
K
The
sign
and
I
may
I
may
pass
this
over
to
legal
if
I
get
it
wrong,
since
they
had
to
sign
and
modified
it
prior
to
the
current
bylaw
coming
into
force,
they've
lost
all
lawful,
non-conforming
rights
to
the
sign.
So
if
this
application
is
not
granted,
there
is
no.
There
is
no
fallback
position
for
them.
B
I
K
Right
I
can't
put
myself
in
there
sure
I
would
I
would
assume
that
they
would
have,
but
that
would
just
be
an
assumption.
They've
they're,
a
sophisticated
sign
operator
and
they're
aware
that
modifying
signs
to
such
an
extent
would
more
than
likely,
if
not
certainly
trigger
the
need
for
a
new
permit.