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From YouTube: Planning and Housing Committee - July 3, 2019 - Part 3
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B
So
well,
I
think
you
know
I
I,
I,
wouldn't
I
can
call
I
can
I
can
think
of
a
famous
one.
That
was
a
can
Darrell
proposal,
I
blues
in
Scarborough
by
the
old
Sheraton,
Hotel
I
forget
and
Shepherd
auntie
and
Shepherd,
and
it-
and
it
now
has
very
large
condominium
development
there.
That
was
a
OMB
hearing
that
we
lost
and
we
took
the
stand
that
that
there
was
no
transit
in
the
in
the
offing
and
that
we
were
against
the
rezoning
and
we
lost
yeah.
C
B
You
know
we
will
continue
to
pursue
that
line
of
logic
strenuously
and
we
will
have
to
continue
to
pursue
that.
Eglinton
looks
more
promising,
of
course,
because
we
have
transit
opening
in
2021,
but
I
think
you
will
see
that
issue
only
becoming
more
prominent,
and
you
know
when
maybe
we'll
be
back
at
the
OMB
saying
that
we
that
we
can't
approve
something
or
that
we
have
to
stage-gate
the
approval.
We
could
approve
the
Official
Plan,
but
maybe
not
go
to
zoning
until
we
have
a
better
assurance
that
we
have
the
transit
facilities
right.
D
C
E
Thanks
very
much:
how
does
the
city
grow
with
the
steady
hand
of
David
Fitzpatrick?
Thank
you
both
very
much
for
this
sorry,
one
of
the
big
headlines
here,
I
think,
is
first
few
slides
hundred
and
forty
thousand
units
that
the
city's
been
net
that
has
been
approved,
but
not
yet
built.
Do
we
have
any
indication
on
why
this
might
be
the
case.
F
The
cherry
and
we've
looked
into
this
issue
multiple
times
because
it
seems
to
come
up
you
know
and,
and
the
reality
of
the
answer
is
complex
there,
there
there's
no
a
single,
simple
answer
to
it.
Some
of
the
applications
have
part
of
their
planning
approval,
but
there's
other
stages
to
come
and
other
cases
if
they're
waiting
there,
the
permit
application
stage
and
a
lot
of
the
units
are
under
construction,
like
sixty
thousand
one
hundred
forty
thousand
are
under
construction.
F
So
I
want
to
be
clear
about
that
number
one
hundred
forty
thousand
and
not
misconstrue
it
as
simply
applications
that
are
just
sitting
waiting
as
supply.
There
are
a
few
of
those
yes,
but
it's
not
the
majority,
so
they're
they're,
essentially
working
their
way
through
the
system,
but
they're
there
at
various
different
stages.
I
would.
B
B
I
can
remember
some
on
a1
one
that
had
done
to
us
and
and
Runnymede
of
a
mid-rise
six
stories
that
we
approved
in
2005
and
I
always
thought
it
was
the
greatest
little
proposal
and
only
recently
have
I
noticed
that
the
the
dirt
has
started
to
move
on
the
site
and
that's
14
years
later
so
property
change
hands.
You
know
businesses
come
and
go.
We
can't
we
don't
get
into
the
you
know.
Always
we
don't
always
have
the
knowledge
of
what
what
they're
up
to.
E
So
there
are
different
challenges,
but
that
is
the
narrative
we
hear
all
the
time
is
you
know,
we've
we've
got
a
hundred
and
forty
thousand
approved
not
yet
built.
Why?
Why
aren't
we
seeing
is
it
a
supply
issue
is
a
demand
issue.
What
is
that,
when
we
look
at
this
number
and
the
context
that
some
of
those
are
under
constructions,
some
people
are
sitting
on
them
wanting
the
uplift
and
the
value,
and
then
we
have
legislation
that
comes
forward
from
the
province
under
the
guise
of
this
sort
of
stuff
with
bill.
B
E
So
the
other
thing
that
was
there
so
the
other
thing
I
think
it's
part
of
it
in
Lobby,
but
the
other
piece
that
was
interesting
was
that
about
a
fifth
of
it.
Now
is
we're
seeing
that
on
on
our
avenues
and
and
mid-rise
units,
more
mid-rise
units
to
me
that
shows
that
we're
kind
of
moving
away
from
the
sort
of
spiky
development
that
we've
seen
in
previous
years
and
getting
more
of
them
mid
density,
mid
rise
growth
that
livable
building
form
that
we'd
like
to
see.
C
E
F
See
those
teams
help
us
show
the
increase
because,
as
they
moved
from
the
the
active
to
the
and
the
under
review,
is
if
there's
a
larger
under
review,
it's
reflective
of
a
trend
towards
that.
It's
one
way
we
can
see
where
we're
movement
is
and
when
we've
run
these
numbers
in
the
past
years.
I
can't
give
you
the
exact
number,
but
I
do
recall
it,
but
it
is
been
gradually
increasing
over
time
and
then.
E
F
Anything
that
requires
a
planning
application
would
be
captured,
but
lamely
units
that
are
being
permitted
through
the
new
zoning
bylaw
are
not
going
to
show
up
if
they're
allowed
as
right,
then
you're
not
gonna,
see
it
in
there.
We
are
separately
tracking
units
being
added
through
building
permits
and
we
are
tracking
laneway
units
through
that
separate
monitoring
program,
and
we
also
are
tracking
planning,
applications
and
neighborhoods
to
see
what
kind
of
buildings
are
being
added.
So
we
are
looking
at
it,
but
it's
not
as
not
necessarily
will
show
up
in
this
pipeline.
I
know.
G
F
G
D
G
D
G
Yes,
okay,
all
right,
and
so
it's
not
just
a
matter
of
what's
in
our
pipeline,
where
we're
setting
records,
it's
what's
actually
been
constructed
where
we're
setting
records
okay
and
we
are
going
to
hit
our
current
rate,
it
be
fair
to
say
we
would
have.
Actually
we
built
our
2040
goal
sometime
in
this
decade,
unless
there's
some
big
collapse
or
something.
D
Through
the
chair,
it
depends
on
the
the
actual
pace
of
development.
It's
a
combination
of
both
the
units
and
the
pipeline.
That's
in
people
rather
that
are
in
those
units
yeah
based
on
the
pace
of
development,
we'd
likely
achieve
the
21
2014
1
forecast
before
2040
1
the
population.
However,
because
the
average
number
of
persons
per
household
is
lower
because
we
tend
to
be
building
smaller
units,
it
will
occur
before
2041,
but
not
quite
as
soon.
G
G
There's
I
mean
there:
there
are
a
couple
of
pieces
in
in
that
about
the
population,
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
seeing
I
see
this
I
have
an
AR
zone
inside
my
neighborhood
I'm,
seeing
population
decline
in
the
our
zone
inside
my
neighborhood.
Now
the
thing
I'm
finding
there
is
places
that
currently
have
20
units
are
becoming
six
units.
Is
this
someone
that's
having
an
effect
on
the
population
growth
piece
as
well
right
that.
G
G
B
Think,
as
we
discussed
many
times,
there
are
a
lot
of
demand
and
supply
factors
at
play.
I
think
you
know
what
we're
witnessing
in
an
area
like
parc
guel
is
that
people
that
the
area
is
gentrifying
and
people
want
more
living
space.
The
property
values
are
going
up
and
people
are
being
D
housed
out
of
their
traditional
housing
settings.
That's
a
function
of
values,
not
land
values,
but
people,
the
values
of
people
wanting
more
living
space
being
able
some
people
being
able
to
afford
it,
and
it's
nothing
to
do
with
the
zoning.
B
Has
anything
to
do
with
the
zoning?
Thank
you
I
believe.
There
are
other
areas,
however,
where,
for
example,
on
the
avenues
where
we
put
in
place
as
of
right
is
only
along
st.
Clair,
for
example,
where
the
zoning
can
provide
a
certain
amount
of
certainty
of
expectation
for
the
community
and
for
the
investors
who
are
developing
those
sites
and
it's
beneficial
in
those
cases.
So
that's
why
I
kind
of
say
it's
not
a
panacea.
It's
not
a
magic
bullet.
B
G
B
It's
like
the
average.
Certainly
it's
worked
on
in
avenues
and
in
in
other
areas
where
there's
a
more
of
a
direct
connection
between
that
zoning,
bylaw
and
and
and
a
housing
developer,
I
mean
we've
had
and
we've
had
evidence
of
it
just
this
year
with
laneway
housing,
where
we
put
in
place
as
of
right,
make
it
quick
easy
cheap
for
people
to
do
it,
but
it's
not
just
the
zoning.
It's
the
DC
relief,
it's
the
as
of
right
process.
B
D
A
A
C
A
A
D
A
My
question
is
so
we
have,
we
are
61
percent
and
we
have
another
140
that
are
under
construction
and
so
on.
We
have
91
percent
of
the
population,
so
the
population
has
grown
a
lot
more
than
the
supply
that
we
have
produced
and
we
have
infrastructure
being
built
for
not
even
the
housing
that
we
are
approving
and
being
built
if
they
are
following
the
growth
plan.
At
what
point
are
we
these
together
at?
What
point
are
at
least
the
infrastructure
and
the
supply?
Are
we
gonna
try
to
reconcile
some
of
these
type.
B
A
My
question
is:
with
this
growth
and
I
know
that
I
mean
we
as
a
city
and
planning
and
everything
we
are
dealing
with
an
unprecedented
number
of
applications
in
our
planning
department,
complex,
a
lot
of
numbers,
we're
producing
that
counselor
percs
said
unprecedented
number
of
units,
but
at
the
same
time
we
have
an
unprecedented
pressure
to
actually
catch
up
with
being
proactive
on
doing
this
analysis.
Otherwise,
it's
not
even
that
we're
not
building
for
the
infrastructure,
we're
not
even
planning
for
the
infrastructure
to
respond
to
this
growth
is.
B
The
other
and
the
other
planning
framework,
so
for
the
Galleria,
for
example,
we
would
we've
conditioned
the
approval
on
Community
Center,
renewal
daycare,
affordable
housing,
maybe
not
the
best
transit
solution,
but
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
Every
time
we
look
at
a
precinct
or
a
secondary
plan
area,
we
have
to
turn
our
minds
to
the
infrastructure
strategy.
That's
needed.
A
B
And
we
very
similar
discussion
last
year
when
the
report
came
forward
and-
and
we
we
on
our
work
program,
that
this
committee
sees
every
year.
We
have
planning
frameworks
that
we
bring
to
you
throughout
the
course
of
the
year.
Don
Mills
crossing
reviews
of
North
York
Center
I
mean
it's
a
long
long
list
we're
we're
we're
doing
just
what
you
suggest.
We
should
do.
Okay,.
A
And-
and
we
also
need
to
acknowledge
that
there
is
a
there's
there's-
there
is
a
growth
of
the
population
that
is
growing
a
lot
faster
than
the
supply
that
we're
doing
I
mean
our
forecast
is
at
ninety
one
in
population
and
sixty
one
and
supply
so
there's
there's.
Clearly
the
supply
is
not
responding
to
the
population
growth
at
the
same
speed.
D
Through
to
chair,
the
91
percent
refers
to
the
total
population
that
exists
in
the
city
relative
to
the
growth
plan.
Forecasts
that
the
gap
is
smaller.
The
number
of
units
were
referring
to
where
the
units
required
to
achieve
those.
The
399
thousand
units
that
are
required
so
of
those
were
at
this
from
two
thousand.
A
I'm
sorry,
but
then
into
three
nine:
didn't
the
399
thousand
units.
Didn't
you
come
up
with
that
number
in
order
to
respond
to
the
population
that
would
be
3.4
million?
You
came
up.
We
said
in
order
to
serve
3.4
million
people
by
30
by
2040
1.
We
need
399
thousand
new
units.
Is
that
correct
through.
A
G
A
D
A
Would
be
great
really
interesting.
Is
this
argument
if
this
keeps
going
coming
up
and
up-
and
you
know
you
look
at
it-
I
asked
you
the
question
and
it's
easy
to
come
to
that
that
conclusion
so
I
think
that
it
is
important
that
we
have
that
number.
What
is
what
what
was
the
forecast
growth
of
the
population
and
what
we
needed
in
order
to
respond
to
that?
Okay,
thank
you.
G
The
the
rules
that
we
have
here
are
clearly
allowing
us
to
build
faster
than
we
have
built
at
any
time
since
1920s
and
30s
and
we're
outpacing
the
expectations
both
in
terms
of
residential
and
in
terms
of
employment.
In
the
in
the
provincial
growth
plan,
we
are
building
faster
than
any
other
municipality.
You
can
name
in
North
America
it
just
as
an
exercise,
I
sort
of
thought
about
it
and
I
thought
of
any
elected
official
in
the
last
decade.
G
The
person
who
has
voted
for
voting
YES
for
new
housing,
most
often
is
a
City
of
Toronto
councillor,
like
literally
the
problem
is
not
here.
The
problem
I
think
lies
elsewhere.
I
think
the
problem
lies
with
things
like
the
condominium
Act,
which
made
it
possible
for
investors
to
come
in
and
finance
the
construction
of
very
large
numbers
of
units,
take
their
profit
and
be
out
that
didn't
used
to
happen.
Development
didn't
happen
like
that
in
the
Greater
Toronto
Area
until
the
mid
80s,
and
it
happened
as
subdivisions
out
around
the
periphery
of
Toronto.
G
It
leaves
the
housing
system
once
those
loans
for
purchase
of
land,
construction
or
the
profit
has
been
taken
and
leaves
the
housing
system
altogether.
So,
unlike
any
period
in
Toronto's
history,
we
are
generating
cash
off
real
estate
that
is
leaving
the
housing
system.
That's
why
housing
prices
are
going
up.
It
is
not
because
we're
not
building
it
is
not
because
of
a
constraint
on
supply.
It
is
not
because
we're
not
keeping
pace
with
demand.
E
E
The
move
to
mid
rise
development
that
we're
seeing
in
the
numbers
I
think
that's
a
positive
shift,
but
we
have
historically
been
very
spiky
and,
and
we've
seen
that
in
the
maps
in
previous
years
of
where
that
development
is
concentrated,
you
know
it
is
had.
Growth
has
been
directed
to
our
centers,
that's
a
positive,
but
largely
because
of
condominium
acts
and
the
way
projects
are
financed.
We
get
the
same
type
of
development
over
and
over.
E
That
said,
I
do
think
that
looking
at
our
Opie
policies
and
looking
at
our
zoning
bylaw
is
is
not
the
end
of
the
world
and
I
think
that
there
can
be
productive
conversations
that
come
out
of
that.
We
heard
our
chief
planner
offer
comments
where
we
have
looked
at
zoning
as
of
right
zoning
on
our
avenues
where
we
have
looked
at
zoning
lamely
housing
options
and
we've
had
success,
there,
we've
been
building
different
types
of
housing
and
and
that's
an
a
really
important
thing
for
us
to
do
going
forward
it.
E
You
know
that
the
phrase
is
it's
not
a
panacea.
It's
not
a
panacea,
but
affordable
housing
is
a
bunch
of
different
things
across
a
bunch
of
different
divisions,
and
all
of
it
needs
to
be
looked
at
in
the
aggregate.
So
there
is
an
element
of
development
charges
when
you're
looking
at
doing
three
suite
units
like
that,
that
is,
that
is
a
factor
for
the
carrying
costs
and
the
Performa
on
those
projects.
Water
connections,
ingress/egress.
All
of
these
things
need
to
be
considered
when
we're
looking
at
these
projects
that
are
at
a
much
smaller
scale.
E
It
is
not
an
apples
to
apples
comparison
when
you're
looking
at
a
three
unit
or
a
six
unit,
project
versus
a
60-story
high-rise
and
by
the
way
they're,
not
the
same
players,
and
there
are
people
that
are
in
these
projects
that
are
literally
financing
it
based
on
the
last
small
renovation
or
application
that
they
did.
So
it's
very
different.
The
context
matters
the
part
of
the
city
matters
that
that
also
plays
a
lot
of
factor,
and
all
of
these
things
need
to
be
considered.
I,
don't
think
we
should
be
writing
anything
off.
E
A
A
And
if
we
want
our
communities
to
welcome
this
and
not
to
have
to
turn
to
have
development
being
an
extremely
divisive
issue
in
in
our
city.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
producing
the
infrastructure
and
we're
building
the
infrastructure
and
I
think
that
things
like
the
insuring
that
the
t
think
the
teal'c
or
Midtown
that
we
push
through
that
infrastructure
than
the
we
planning.
And
we
give
some
certainty
to
our
communities
that
that
we're
having
holistic
view
and
it's
about
community
building.
A
And
it's
about
welcoming
the
new
neighbors
that
are
going
to
be
coming
to
our
city
and
our
neighborhoods
and
our
communities,
but
it's
also
about
you
know
making
sure
that
we
continue
to
have
healthy
and
livable
communities.
I!
Think
it's
really
important,
the
other
one.
That
I
think
is
you
know
there?
Is
this
question
yes
about,
simply?
A
We
also
talk
me
about
what
kind
of
city
we
actually
want
to
build
in
here,
because
in
certain
neighborhoods,
when
you're
talking
about
homes
that
don't
go
for
less
than
1.5
million
or
2
million,
you
are
ynx
excluding
a
lot
of
people
if
you
don't
start
having
things
like
secondary
Suites
like
laneway
houses
or
you're,
excluding
people
from
leaving,
you
know
close
to
their
universities.
If
you
don't
talk
about
rooming
houses
around
York,
University
or
Scarborough
Center,
these
are
the
things
that
I
think
we
need
to
start
talking
about.
A
Don't
think
we
just
should
just
shut
the
door
after
we're
able
to
buy
a
property
into
our
neighborhood.
We
have
to
actually
work
as
communities
a
city
to
evolve
and
to
make
sure
that
you
know.
Families
like
many
of
ours
and
and
other
ones
are
able
to
live
close
to
their
work
and
live
close
to
the
communities,
and
we
have
mixed
communities
and
complete
communities
all
across
our
city.
So
with
that
said,
I
think
that
I
just
need
a
motion
to
receive,
adopt,
adopt:
okay,
I'll,
move
that
all
those
in
favor.