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Planning and Housing Committee, meeting 3, March 20, 2019 - Part 1 of 2
Agenda and background materials:
http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/decisionBodyProfile.do?function=doPrepare&meetingId=15382
Part 2 of 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK9T32WKnig
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Good
morning,
everybody
if
I,
could
have
everybody's
attention
good
morning,
welcome
to
meeting
three
of
the
planning
and
Housing
Committee
welcome
members
of
the
committee.
Councillor
Bradford
is
just
joining
us,
so
we're
we
have
quorum,
we're
all
good
and
welcome
to
the
members
of
the
public
here
in
attendance
today
for
those
in
the
room
with
us.
A
The
screen
at
the
back
of
the
room
provides
real-time
updates
concerning
where
we
are
in
the
agenda
and
what's
coming
up
next,
you
can
follow
the
agenda
and
debate
on
your
computer
tablet
or
smartphone
at
WRC
a-slash
council,
and
we
acknowledge
the
land.
We
are
meeting
on.
It's
the
traditional
territory
of
many
nations,
including
the
Mississauga's
of
the
credit,
the
Anishinaabe,
the
ship
away,
the
Hunan
ishani
the
windaq
people
and
is
now
home
to
many
diverse
First,
Nations,
Inuit
and
métis
people's.
A
A
Seeing
none
members
I
want
to
take
a
moment
to
remind
you
that
when
you
declare
an
interest
under
municipal
minute
conflict
of
interest
Act,
you
are
now
also
required
to
file
a
written
declaration
with
the
clerk.
The
clerk
has
provided
blank
forms
to
every
members,
office
and
I.
Ask
that
you
complete
and
bring
it
with
them
to
the
meetings
each
time
you
declare
an
interest.
If
you
forget
to
bring
your
form,
the
clerk
staff
can
provide
you
with
one
which
you
should
complete
and
submit
submit
before
the
end
of
the
meeting.
A
If
you
need
more
information
on
your
obligations
under
the
municipal
conflict
of
interest,
Act
I
would
refer
you
to
the
integrity.
Commissioners
interpretation
bulletin,
I
believe
that
clerk
has
a
few
copies
as
well
and
if
you
require
advise
I,
encourage
you
to
reach
out
to
the
integrity.
Commissioner,
directly.
B
A
And
can
I
have
a
motion
to
confirm
the
minutes
of
the
meeting
of
February
12
accounts
for
perks,
all
those
in
favor
that
carries
and
item
3.1
as
of
right
zoning
for
secondary
Suites.
We
have
speakers
on
this
item.
Item
3.2
zoning
revisions
for
municipal
shelters.
We
also
have
speakers
on
this
item
three
point
three
and
then
amendments
to
the
imagination,
manufacturer,
innovation,
technology
programs
bylaws
to
increase
condominium
eligibility.
We
now
have
speakers
on
this
item
as
well.
Three
point
four
Toronto
employments
servant
survey.
A
We
have
a
presentation
item
three
point:
five
housing
plan,
2020,
2030,
consultations,
update;
we
have
speakers
and
three
point:
six:
expanding
supportive
housing
in
Toronto
an
update.
We
also
have
speakers
on
this
item.
So,
let's
start
with
item
3.1
as
of
right,
zoning
for
secondary
Suites
and
I'll
start
by
calling
devil
Morrison
good
morning
to
Val
good.
Thank
you.
You
have
five
minutes
and
I'll
get
the
clock
running
when
you're
ready.
Thank
you.
C
This
works.
Can
everyone
hear
me
great
I
think
we
can
all
agree
that
housing
is
a
necessity
and
not
a
luxury.
In
a
city
like
Toronto,
creating
more
housing
has
become
incredibly
imperative.
Making
secondary
Suites
easily
attainable
would
go
a
long
way
to
ease
the
housing
crisis
that
our
city
faces.
Secondary
suites
can
help
make
an
expensive
home
more
affordable
for
someone
to
buy
while
creating
a
more
affordable
space
for
someone
else
to
live
as
a
real
estate.
Agent,
homeowner
and
landlord
I
see
it
as
a
win-win.
C
If
someone
wants
to
create
a
secondary
suite
badly
enough
they're
forced
to
demolish
the
entire
house
and
start
from
scratch,
which
doesn't
really
allow
for
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
to
remain
it's
difficult
for
homeowners
to
create
side
entrances,
as
the
city
currently
requires
a
1
metre
easement
between
the
house
and
the
neighboring
property
line,
something
few
properties
in
Toronto
have.
If
the
city
is
going
to
truly
simplify
the
process
for
creating
secondary
suites,
they
also
need
to
look
at
the
building
permit
process
and
its
requirements.
C
If
the
city
doesn't
do
this,
homeowners
will
continue
to
create
apartments
illegally,
which
will
have
the
potential
to
be
unsafe.
Increasing
secondary
Suites
is
not
just
about
increasing
housing
supply.
It's
about
creating
safe
places
for
people
to
live.
Currently
the
building
permit
department
requires
a
separate
heating
source,
so
one
of
my
clients
was
forced
to
add
in
electrical
baseboard
heaters,
because
her
basement
wasn't
large
enough
to
contain
a
second
furnace.
Baseboard
electrical
heating
will
drive
up
the
heating
costs
for
her
tenant.
C
Another
client
was
forced
to
create
a
more
expensive
entrance
to
her
basement
apartment,
as
she
was
told,
the
easement
between
her
property
and
the
property
line
had
to
be
a
meter,
even
though
there
was
a
meter
between
her
property
in
the
next
house,
I've
personally
experienced
inspectors
making
exorbitant
requests
in
plumbing
only
to
return
to
the
house
a
few
weeks
later
to
change
their
minds.
Meanwhile,
the
homeowner
has
spent
more
money
than
necessary.
C
The
basement
apartment
has
taken
longer
to
build
the
necessary
and
all
of
these
factors
add
up
to
creating
delays
and
more
expensive
housing
for
tenants
as
home
owners.
Try
to
recoup
their
costs
to
create
the
secondary
suite
in
the
first
place,
allowing
secondary
suites
in
homes
in
Toronto
should
definitely
be
allowed
by
the
plan
apartment.
However,
unless
it
comes
with
an
overhaul
of
the
building
permit
Department,
these
changes
could
be
all
for
naught.
I
think
it's
also
important
to
note
that
household
sizes
are
changing
according
to
STATS.
C
B
First
off
my
thoughts
in
regards
to
the
process:
that's
taken
place
and
commend
toronto
city
staff
on
their
research
on
their
consultations
and
their
due
diligence
to
make
sure
that
the
the
proposed
has
proposals
that
are
in
place
today
makes
sense,
and
I
truly
do
believe
that,
with
your
approval
of
these,
it
will
put
toronto
as
a
leading
municipality
throughout
canada.
In
creating
secondary
suites
I'll
also
have
to
commend
the
city
for,
what's
already
in
place.
B
I
checked
yesterday
at
your
Etobicoke
office,
the
I
have
a
95
year
old
uncle,
has
a
basement
and
could
very
vent
and
well
benefit
from
the
income
and
supports
generated
by
someone
living
in
his
bungalow
in
the
basement
and
I
found
out
that
there's
a
five-day
fast
track
availability,
which
is
a
tremendous
benefit
as
compared
to
other
municipalities,
where
permits
can
take
three
to
five
weeks
to
get
the
approval
to
move
forward
with
the
legal
suite
in
concert
with
the
voices
of
those
hundred
thousand
individuals
or
families
seniors
who
are
looking
for.
Affordable
housing.
B
I
asked
the
committee
today
to
move
forward
on
these
bylaws,
but
also
bring
to
mind
concepts
that
have
been
initiated
by
other
municipalities
throughout
Ontario,
and
that
would
be
to
provide
an
incentive
to
the
homeowner
to
provide
the
new
unit.
That's
created
through
these
bylaws
for
people
who
are
on
the
waitlist
or
who
are
possibly
having
to
join
the
waitlist
by
considering
their
incomes
and
the
needs
that
they
can
be
given.
B
The
best
days
of
my
life
over
the
last
six
years
have
been
seeing
families
move
into
these
newly
developed
homes,
the
burden
of
where
they're
going
to
sleep
tonight
or
precarious
housing
that
they've
been
coming
from
is
behind
them.
They
are
now
able
to
focus
on
jobs,
education,
language
skills
and
other
things
that
help
both
them
and
their
children
move
forward
in
their
world.
So
I
really.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
aunt
is
paid
in
support
of
these
bylaws
moving
them
forward
and
again,
I'd.
B
A
D
I'm
Jennifer
Spence
I'm
a
resident
and
I'm
excited
what
I've
seen
so
far
of
this
proposed
right,
like
it
regulations
and
new
changes
and
I
just
want
to
say
I'm
in
favor
of
secondary
Suites
and
simplifying
the
rules
enough,
so
that
people
can
follow
them,
including
the
parking
requirements.
I
would
love
to
finish
my
basement
and
have
a
basement
apartment
illegal,
basement
apartment.
It
would
be
great
if
it
have
great
afternoon
light
high
ceilings
dry,
a
great
landlord,
upstairs
an
excellent
family
neighborhood.
D
The
Crosstown
is
gonna,
be
five
blocks
away,
it'd
be
a
real
winner,
so
I
got
drawings
done
up,
I
went
to
get
the
permit
to
build
it
and
I
got
turned
down
solely
because
my
driveway
is
three
feet
too
short.
It
turns
out
to
provide
I
have
to
provide
parking
for
my
tenant,
and
my
side
of
my
driveway
is
three
feet
too
short.
Why
are
we
letting
cars
decide
where
people
can
live?
D
I
can't
make
my
garage
wider
because
there's
a
tree
to
close
I'm
on
a
corner
lot,
but
I
can't
make
a
second
Drive
on
the
other
side,
because
then
I
would
be
parking
in
front
of
my
house,
even
though
it's
the
side
of
my
house,
but
just
a
shorter
width
of
my
house,
so
I've
tried
I've
been
thwarted
at
every
turn.
It's
even
more
frustrating
because
in
other
Ward's
don't
even
have
this
parking
requirement
for
secondary
Suites
and
I
thought
we
were
trying
to
encourage
people
to
use
other
forms
of
transit
anyway.
D
Why
do
we
have
to
provide
a
parking
space
at
all?
People
have
asked
me
why
not
just
finish
your
basement
anyway
and
ignore
the
rules,
and
you
know
a
lot
of
people
seem
to
do
that.
There
are
tons
of
basement
apartments
out
here
that
aren't
meeting
code
or
regulations
or
being
inspected,
because
there
are
too
many
conflicting
and
complicated
rules
to
follow.
It's
been
made
too
difficult.
Frankly,
it's
putting
people's
health
at
risk.
We
need
to
increase
densification.
This
isn't
be
a
great
way
to
do
it.
Just
so,
please
simplify
the
rules
and
unify
this.
D
A
E
You
very
much
good
morning
with
respect
to
the
changes
to
that
are
proposed
in
the
report.
How
would
you
respond
to
some
of
the
concerns
that
were
raised
by
the
deputies
specifically
around
those
restrictions
of
not
permitting
a
front
a
new
front
door?
Access
facing
the
street?
You
see
the
requirement
for
a
one
to
one
ratio
for
parking,
as
well
as
requiring
a
separate
mechanical
system.
Hvac
system.
F
Through
you,
madam
chair,
in
terms
of
the
first
item,
we
did
not
include
a
recommendation
that
there
be
separate
access
or
that
you
could
have
separate
access
through
the
front
door
and
a
detached
or
semi-detached
because
of
the
opportunities
that
are
allowed
in
that
form
of
building
to
come
in
from
the
side
or
come
in
from
the
back
and
balance
that
off
against
the
general
front
front
wall
character
of
most
of
these
types
of
neighborhoods.
So
it
was,
it
was
a
decision
call
on
our
part.
F
In
terms
of
the
issue
of
parking,
we
felt
that
eliminating
the
need
for
a
parking
space
for
a
secondary
unit
was
acceptable.
It
was
supportable,
it's
not
impactful.
It's
a
small
iteration.
We
felt
comfortable
with
that
HVAC.
We
didn't
speak
to
the
HVAC
system.
That's
something
that's
not
really
within
the
purview
of
zoning
review.
It
may
be
something
perhaps
Toronto
building
could
comment
on,
but
it's
not
something
we
can.
E
There
is
no
requirement
for
HVAC
system,
but
let's
just
spend
a
little
bit
of
time
around
the
front
door,
permissions
and
the
entrances
off
the
face
of
the
elevation
of
the
street
for
those
who
are
requiring
mobility
devices
to
access
their
homes
and
just
to
move
around
the
city.
Knowing
that
the
separation
between
houses
and
and
built
form
in
the
urban
environment
is
extremely
tight.
E
How
do
how
do
these
secondary
units
become
truly
inclusive
from
a
design
perspective
for
those
who
actually
need
a
bit
more
space
to
get
through
those
corridors
and,
at
the
same
time,
making
sure
we
have
an
increase
of
inventory
that
will
allow
for
greater
affordability
for
those
who
need
it.
The
most,
which
includes
people
living
with
disabilities,.
F
After
you,
madam
chair,
yes,
I
acknowledge
that
there
may
be
some
circumstances
in
the
city
where
a
building
typology
or
layout
on
Lots
might
make
for
constrained
or
tight
situations
to
access
the
side
or
rear.
But
ultimately
there
are
building
code
standards
in
place
and
minimum
setbacks
that
we
have
in
our
zoning
bylaw
to
try
and
address
and
alleviate
those
kinds
of
challenges,
but
I
fully
acknowledge
there
might
be
scenarios
where
that
might
be
tight.
Keep
in
mind
that
most
there
will
also
be
other
challenges.
I
mean
most
secondary.
F
E
Would
say
in
many
of
the
the
neighborhoods
in
a
legacy
City
of
Toronto,
that
sort
of
tightness
in
terms
of
separation
between
the
two
houses,
the
two
structures
would
eliminate
any
most
many
downtown
properties
from
taking
advantage
of
installing
secondary
Suites
and
and
and
specifically
for
populations.
That
would
need
it
most
where
people
would
want
to
live
where
the
housing
cost
is
the
most
expensive.
So
how
would
you?
How
would
you
address
that,
based
on
the
recommendations
that
are
before
us.
G
G
We
certainly
would
be
interested
in
any
in
all
ways
that
we
could
do
it
through
zoning.
It's
a
much
more
blunt
instrument
and
doesn't
speak
in
a
more
finesse
way
to
exactly
how
the
construction
takes
place
that
is
carried
by
the
building
code.
The
I
grant
you
that
the
condition
the
fabric
in
the
old
city
is
tighter
and
does
make
it
more
challenging,
although
secondary
suites
are
permitted
for
the
most
part
in
the
old
city
today.
So
these
challenges
exist
today
and
there's
nothing
before
you
today
that
takes
away
from
those
existing
permissions.
G
G
If
you
want
to
either
revised
the
bylaw
or
ask
us
to
look
into
it
further
in
terms
of
the
front
entrance
opportunities,
we
are
recommending,
for
example,
front
entrance
access
for
townhouses
for
townhouses
that
have
secondary
Suites
and
that
in
some
ways,
does
mimic
a
lot
of
the
old
city
fabric
because
of
the
tightness
of
a
townhouse
form
and
I
understand,
certainly
even
for
detached
and
semi-detached
in
the
old
city.
You've
got
probably
two
or
three
feet
sometimes
between
buildings,
so
it
is
very
tight
to
get
to
the
side
of
the
back
yeah.
E
G
Would
I
would
agree
through
the
chair
they,
whatever
we
can
do
in
a
zoning
Bala
to
set
it
up?
We
also
always
have
the
failsafe
in
a
specific
condition,
a
unique
circumstance.
That's
what
the
committee
of
adjustment
is
for
as
well,
so
that
that
is
also
something
that
people
can
avail
themselves
if
they
in,
if
there's
something
in
the
bylaw.
That's
unanticipated
in
that
respect,.
A
A
H
I
have
a
motion
and
it's
it
has
to
do
with
bizarre
historical
legacy.
Problem
I
just
explained
it
very
quickly,
as
some
of
you
may
know,
10
15
20
years
ago
there
was
a
spate
of
rooming
houses
constructed
in
Parkdale
without
permission,
and
we
went
through
a
process
of
regularizing
them
and
making
them
legal,
and
in
doing
that,
we
created
a
unique
requirement
for
the
floor
space
of
a
unit
in
Parkdale
so
that
we
could
regularize
them.
However,
because
that
exists,
it
would
be
in
conflict
with
what
we're
approving
today.
E
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
and
just
very
quickly.
I
want
to
thank
staff
for
their
further
good
work
on
this
I
recognize
that
this
has
been
one
of
those
dangling
and
dangling
instruments
that
have
always
eluded
City
Council
from
a
planning
perspective
of
how
to
increase
the
options
for
additional,
affordable
housing,
and
while
there
has
been
a
some
political
resistance,
I
would
say
from
from
certain
political
actors
in
the
building
over
a
period
of
time.
E
We
have
now
arrived
at
this
particular
juncture
of
time
where
we
do
have
a
massive
housing
crisis
that
requires
us
to
all
work
together
and
to
lift
this
final
piece
off
the
ground.
I
do
want
to
just
say
that
not
being
able
to
allow
entrances
through
the
front
door
is
going
to
eliminate
it's
going
to
make
this
instrument
the
solution
not
as
effective
as
it
can
be,
and
I
know
that
councillor
by
Lao
has
a
very
good
amendment.
That's
to
be
coming
forward.
E
I
hope
that
we
can
all
support,
but
we
need
to
be
able
to
do
exactly
what
what
what
this
bylaw
is
intended
to
do
is
to
increase
the
number
of
affordable
housing
units.
The
widest
range
of
options
that
are
available
increase
the
supply
of
secondary
units,
and
you
can't
really
do
that
unless
you
actually
allow
for
permissions
to
enter
through
the
front,
which
is
usually
where
you
have
the
most
amount
of
space.
E
E
It's
about
building
complete
neighbourhoods,
it's
about
Aging
in
Place,
it's
all
of
those
things
that
we
need
to
address
and
there
by
law
as
it
stands
right
now,
he
doesn't
quite
get
to
that,
which
is
why
I
think
councillor
bilaam's
motion
when
she's
ready
to
move
it
will
be
incredibly
incredibly
helpful
and
hopefully
all
of
City
Council
will
see
that
for
what
it
is
that
it
is,
it
is
actually
closing
a
group.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
work
on
this
Thank
You
councillor.
Thank.
A
You,
okay
and
the
motions
are
ready
right.
Okay,
so
thank
you.
Staff
for
great
work,
I
think
that
you
know
it
is
clear
and
evident
from
the
feedback
that
we
get
even
at
that.
The
the
letters
that
we
get
here
at
committee
that
the
city
is
really
embracing
different
kinds
of
housing
in
the
city
and
and
want
to
deal
with
the
stock
that
we
have
in
different
ways
and
bringing
the
opportunity
to
create
more
secondary
units
is
really
important.
A
We
know
that
not
legally,
but
we
know
that
there's
about
seventy
thousand
families
that
live
in
secondary
suite.
There
is
a
significant
amount
of
our
rental
stock
in
the
city
that
is
produced
through
secondary
Suites.
So
we
know
that
this
is
it's
an
important
part
of
our
housing
spectrum
in
the
city
and
that
we
should
do
everything
we
can
to
first
facilitate
the
construction
of
these
units
and
ensure
that
they
are
legal
to
protect
the
tenants
and
and
and
even
the
landlord
says,
I
believe.
So.
A
The
two
motions
that
I
have
one
is
absolutely
to
look
in
to
have
this
entrance
in
the
front
wall.
Councillor
wong-tam
is
absolutely
right.
We
feel
it
and
I
guess
the
writing's
down
town
very
often
the
homeowner
is
forced
to
go
to
committee
of
adjustments,
which
gets
gets
quite
costly
and
expensive
and
time-consuming
just
because
they
need
a
variance
to
have
the
entrance
in
the
front
wall
and
sometimes
there's
no
real
other
option
in
order
to
have
that
suite
produced.
So
I
think
it
is
something
that
we
have
to
look
at.
A
The
other
thing
that
one
deputy
meant
mentioned
was
actually
the
cost-effectiveness
of
maybe
having
these
as
some
affordable
housing
units.
So
we
know
that
just
creating
this
brings
more
supply
and
there's
a
level.
You
know
it's
important
to
have
the
stock
in
in
in
the
housing
spectrum,
but
the
same
way
that
we
created
a
program
with
laneway
suite.
A
Maybe
we
should
explore
to
have
the
incentives
and
support
in
here,
because
we
work
with
with
the
development
industry
and
is
it
is
absolutely
a
lot
more
costly
to
produce
the
unit
with
building
it
from
scratch
that
would
be
to
produce
a
unit
to
to
to
have
in
a
secondary
suite.
So
I
think
that
is
something
that
we
can
look
at
it
do.
You
have
the
motion
second
motion.
There
we
go
so
I
am
asking
that
director
of
affordable
housing.
A
H
And
the
further
advice
was
that
the
cost
to
the
city
of
creating
units
in
a
laneway
suite
as
affordable
was
greater
than
the
cost
of
providing
them
through
other
mechanisms,
and
if
we
had
that
money
available,
yes
I,
remember
it
very
clearly
we
had
that
money
available.
We
would
be
more
wise
to
work
with
a
non-profit
or
work
with
a
co-op
or
work
with
tcht
to
create
units.
So
I'm
wondering
given
that
there
there
are
some
open
questions
around
the
cost.
Efficacy
of
this.
If,
instead
of
it's.
H
A
Reality
the
way
I
look
at
this
is
when
we,
through
the
IAEA
Graham,
we
give
nonprofits
and
developers
an
average
of
anywhere
between
100
to
150
thousand
to
create
unit
right
that
that
is
the
true
cost
of
probably
creating
a
basement
unit.
You
paying
it
a
hundred
percent.
You
wouldn't
need
to
give
that
kind
of
incentive.
So
when
you
look
at
the
return
on
your
investment,
you
could
probably
produce
a
unit
with
a
lot
less
money
and
I
think
it's
worth
of
us
investigating.
So
when
you're
producing
a.
I
I
A
Absolutely
they
it's
an
agreement
that
that
there
there
exists
right
so
right
now
the
city
produces
agreements
with
somebody's
building,
a
building.
They
received
iah
money
they
received
between
a
hundred
thousand
to
one
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
a
unit.
So
could
this
be
something
that
if
we
incentivize
with
I,
don't
know
twenty
thousand
or
something
that
we
actually
create
a
unit
at
a
much
reduced
cost
to
us?
It's
I
mean
there's
a
you
know,
there's
there's.
Obviously,
issues
that
are
gonna
have
to
be
looked
at.
A
We
created
a
program
for
the
laneway
housing
I
think
is
worth
investigating.
I
think
that
the
deputy,
what
the
deputing
said
that
the
cost
it
is
true
I
mean
when
you're
building
from
scratch
versus
building
a
secondary
suite
the
cost
is
much
it's
much
less
I
think
it's
worth
investigating.
I
think
we
need
to
be
as
effective
as
possible.
I
I
I
A
I
Would
you
agree
to
investigate
in
this
to
look
simply
at
grants
that
get
paid
back
rather
than
you
know?
If
you're
gonna
renovate
now
you're
taking
out
a
loan
to
pay
it
back
well,
one
of
the
options
might
be
a
grant.
They
would
then
put
that
in
operation
and
might
not
require
a
lot
of
the
other
administrative
pieces.
Yep.
Okay,
so
you'll
undertake
to
make
sure
that's
part
of
this.
Thank
you
yeah.
You
could
also
put
green
grants
in
there
as
well
good.
I
So
would
you
assume
that
that
would
come
back
from
staff
that
would
be
kind
of
Folsom,
because
if
you're
going
to
give
city
money
or
transfer
money,
would
you
not
agree
that
it
should
also
be
incentivized
to
green
up
your
home
or
green
up,
whatever
you're
building
with
those
dollars?
No,
if
you
have.
A
A
J
Good
morning,
Thank
You
counselors
for
allowing
me
to
represent
the
asketh
Collier
community
to
the
people
of
this
committee,
asked
within
Collier
Street
star
in
the
heart
of
Ward
11
I,
located
a
couple
of
blocks
northeast
of
Yonge
and
Bloor
right
in
Midtown,
Toronto
and
I'm.
The
president
of
the
Association
we've
been
around
for
over
50
years,
an
association
representing
about
50
homes
and
a
hundred
people
from
all
walks
of
life
and
we're
also
neighbors
too
many
people
experiencing
homelessness
and
precarious
housing
in
the
v
park.
J
Hets
the
ravine
and
in
the
700
unit,
Toronto
Community
Housing,
that's
around
us.
The
reason
I'm
here
today
is
to
talk
about
why
these
bylaws
exist
and
that
we're
you're
currently
experiencing
the
negative
impacts
of
what
you
proposed,
because
shelter,
services
and
housing
administration
are
breaching
these
bylaws
and
have
been
for
the
past
almost
a
year
and
a
half
when
they
under
cover
up
night,
with
no
consultation
set
up
a
temporary
30
bed,
respite
shelter
at
21,
Park
Road.
J
This
respite
is
less
than
20
meters
from
Toronto
Community
Housing
and
more
than
100
meters
from
lower
streets
and
Main
Street.
So
I
can
save
you
the
trouble
of
what,
if
theoretical,
Ziff
these
bylaws
are
deleted,
because
we
are
actually
experiencing
the
effects
of
the
bylaws
being
circumvented
by
the
city's
own
older
counselor
and
staff.
The
city's
allocated
a
thousand
beds
to
support
people
experiencing
homelessness
as
part
of
that
number
S
sha
opened
the
30
beds.
J
Discarded
use
needles
coming
from
Margaret's
for
people
who
are
shooting
up
human
diarrhea
vomit
and
urine
an
impossible
public
astron
access
for
pedestrians,
students,
children
cars,
especially
during
physical
and
mental
health
crises.
So
how
can
the
city
mitigate
the
destruction
and
the
social
and
economic
health
of
the
Asquith
Collier
neighborhood?
The
three
reasons
are
the
dramatic
increase
and,
and
the
answer
is
to
not
delete
the
bylaws.
The
three
reasons:
why
are
the
dramatic
increase
in
illegal
activity,
the
fearful
loss
of
safety
and
the
hollowing
out
of
neighborhoods
and
I'll?
Explain
each
one?
J
First
think
crease
and
illegal
activities
happen
since
the
opening
of
21
part
Road
because
of
the
concentration
of
new
people
and
their
interactions
with
people
who
prey
on
them.
Now.
Drug
dealers,
bike
theft,
ringleaders
and
pimps
have
a
one-stop-shop
of
21
Park,
Road
and
TCH
C
and
practice
their
trades
next
door
to
ask
with
green,
which
is
the
heavily
populated
by
the
people
who
are
trying
to
find
shelter.
People
who
are
looking
for
shelter
who
are
in
shelter
and
who
are
rejected
from
the
shelter
at
21
park.
J
Other
illegal
activities
include
the
overcrowding,
garbage
and
code
violations
that
come
with
21
Park
statistics
from
the
city
and
its
contractors
show
30
people
living
at
21,
Park,
Road,
every
night,
1500
meals
a
month
being
served
and
40
percent
of
those
people
in
21,
Park
Road
have
been
living
there
since
it
opened
16
months
ago.
This
quantum
increase
in
garbage
is
a
result
of
too
many
people
living
in
a
house
and
exponentially
more
people
being
fed
from
that
house.
J
The
code
violations
are
numerous
30
people
living
in
my
house
with
no
functioning
kitchen
or
showers,
producing
all
that
garbage
would
be
shut
down
by
any
city
official
if
I
did
it.
The
second
reason
the
bylaws
must
stay
is
the
fearful
loss
of
safety.
As
a
result
of
the
massive
increase
in
illegal
activity,
our
small
community
on
two
little
streets
cannot
accommodate
or
get
support
for
the
huge
influx
of
issues,
unlike
the
services
and
amenities
from
a
major
street.
J
Since
twenty
one
Park
Road
opened
band-aids
to
mitigate
our
safety
of
included,
increased
calls
to
911
one
increased
police
presence,
more
doors,
locked
in
public
places,
more
lighting
everywhere,
the
erection
of
razor
or
concertina
wire
on
fences
and
police,
declaring
the
can't
protect
us
in
time.
Safety
has
plummeted,
as
people
experiencing
homelessness
go
into
physical
or
mental
health
crisis
are
not
accessing.
Any
services
are
incapacitated
on
our
two
streets
and
in
our
alleyway
our
access
out
of
our
neighborhood
becomes
impeded.
Children
walking
to
and
from
school
or
the
subway
have
become
traumatized.
J
Car
and
pedestrian
traffic
try
to
pass
parked
police
fire
and
ambulance.
Since
the
increased
drug
deals
and
introduction
of
needle
distribution
used,
needles
and
drug
paraphernalia
have
littered
our
neighborhood
increasing
our
risk
of
accidental
fentanyl
car
rental
poisoning,
132
needles
were
picked
up
on
one
sweep
once
last
week
and
one
resident
picked
up
14
needles.
The
third
aspect
of
safety,
which
is
critical,
is
the
safety
and
security
of
the
very
people.
The
city
is
trying
to
help
people
experiencing
homelessness
with
no
wraparound
services,
stuck
in
a
small
Enclave
preyed
upon
by
others
involved
in
gangs.
J
Prostitution
and
drugs
are
now
less
safe
than
before.
21
Park
Road
opened.
The
third
reason
the
violence
must
stay
status
quo
is
the
risk
of
hollowing
out
whole
neighborhoods.
We
are
a
small
neighborhood
as
we
go,
others
will
sooner
or
later,
since
they
we
are
the
canary
in
the
coalmine,
witnessing
the
poisoning
of
our
community.
The
increased
illegal
activity
and
decreased
safety
has
had
an
effect
on
us.
There
are
currently
three
for
sale
or
for
rent
signs
on
our
streets.
An
additional
four
families
have
moved
out
since
21
Park
Road
opened
as
a
comparison.
J
The
most
change
over
before
this
was
one
home.
Every
two
or
three
years
three
small
businesses
have
had
their
managers
assaulted,
once
fighting
back,
one
gave
up
and
transferred
to
another
location,
and
one
is
currently
very
traumatized.
It
happened
last
week
the
people
who
are
homeless
or
precariously
housed
that
our
neighbors
supported
have
mostly
left.
However,
the
people
who
experiences
homelessness
that
have
stayed
in
the
neighborhood
described
a
massive
increase
in
assaults
on
them
and
fear
for
their
safety,
as
they
describe
the
descreption
destruction
of
their
meager
personal
belongings
on
the
street.
J
In
conclusion,
thank
you
very
much
for
listening
to
why
you
must
not
delete
these
bylaws.
Our
community's
experience
with
increased
illegal
activity,
the
heightened
fear
for
our
safety
and
the
hollowing
out
of
our
neighborhood
must
not
be
the
beginning
of
the
end
of
this
wonderful,
compassionate
city
of
neighborhoods,
Aska.
K
K
Quite
the
opposite
of
what
she's
asked
you
to
do
here
today.
It
is
the
fact
that
one
shelter,
perhaps
in
her
neighborhood
is
overcrowded,
makes
the
case
for
exactly
what
the
motions
that
are
before
you
today
since
2003,
the
planning
staff
has
been
telling
you
that
there
are
no
plant.
There
is
no
planning
rationale
for
these
restrictions
when
you,
it
is
disingenuous.
I
would
suggest
for
council
to
ask
staff
to
locate
a
thousand
beds
or
whatever
the
number
is
across
the
city
and
then
not
remove
the
restrictions
that
make
many
sites
unavailable
this.
K
We
know
who
is
over-represented
in
the
population
that
uses
these
shelters.
It's
people
with
disabilities.
When
you
set
up
barriers
to
more
housing
for
people
with
disabilities,
you
are
acting
in
a
way
that
is
discriminatory.
It
doesn't
matter
if
that's
not
your
intention,
that
is
the
impact
and
that's
why
I
think
it's
imperative
that
this
go
forward
today,
it's
been
on
the
books
for
all
these
years,
when
your
own
staff
is
telling
you
that
there's
no
rationale.
K
K
Well,
you
turning
down
this
advice.
That's
another
decision
that
reaffirms
the
barriers
you
have
in
front
of
you
in
black
and
white,
the
impact
of
those
berries
exactly
how
many
sites
were
ruled
out
because
of
these
very
barriers
and
the
fact
that
there
it
they
actually
make
no
sense,
and
you
also
all
know
that
staff
will
retain
the
ability
to
think
through
each
location.
Is
this
the
right
location,
I,
dare
say
one
on
Park
Avenue
wouldn't
be
the
right
location,
probably
from
what
we've
heard,
but
that
discretion
remains
with
staff.
K
K
They're,
all
their
challenges
can
be
filed
at
both
the
OMB
and
the
Human
Rights
Tribunal
of
Ontario
I
think
more
likely
places
the
Human
Rights
Tribunal
of
Ontario
and
that's
where
we
filed
last
time
and
the
city
retained
an
expert
professor
from
Ryerson
who
had
human
rights
and
planning
expertise
and
God
advice
and
in
fact
the
restrictions
were
not
justified,
and
this
for
group
homes
and
the
city
acted
on
that.
So
again,
I
think
it's
a
City
fails
to
act
consistently,
in
this
instance,
vulnerable
to
human
rights
challenge
and.
I
Just
having
heard
some
of
the
issues
that
the
deputy
brought
forward,
while
I
support
the
report,
if
there's
issues
regarding
the
operations
of
venue
this
nature,
would
you
expect
that
the
operator
would
be
a
little
more
on
top
of
getting
the
needles
out
of
the
way
and
picking
up
the
garbage?
I
mean
absolutely
as
a
city
that
we
should
expect
an
operator
to
have
a
fairly
high
standard
if
they
have
difficult
clients.
I
understand
that
which
means
that
you
actually
now
have
to
be
a
little
more
vigilant
about
the
public
space.
K
That
all
the
research
shows
that
if
supportive
housing
is
well
run,
then
there's
no
impact
on
property
values.
There's
considerable
Studies
on
that
there
most
of
the
American
Studies,
but
but
that's
what
they
show
a
badly
run
shelter
just
like
any
any
housing.
That's
out
of
control.
You
can
have
problems,
but
the
idea
is.
The
solution
is
to
fix
those
problems,
not
to
prevent
other
services
from
being
provided,
not
to
have
arbitrary
barriers
to
providing
the
proper
services
for
people.
And
yes,.
I
K
E
E
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
Kathy
for
your
deputation
I'm.
Just
reading
your
correspondence
here,
you
specifically
cite
the
the
2003
report
and
I
think
that
the
2003
report
would
have
brought
in
the
250
meters
separation,
distance,
the
the
requirement
of
physical
space
between
the
the
shelter
facility
and
the
main
arterial
and
and-
and
it
also
cited
a
few
other
things
and
not
am
I.
K
Are
you
talking
about
the
it
wasn't
2003?
So
are
you
talking
about
the
report
that
the
city
commissioned
yes
with
respect
to
group
home
so
that
would
have
been
around
2000?
No,
it
wasn't
a
group
homes.
It
was
specifically
around
shelters.
There
was
no
report
at
that
time.
Well,
there
was
the
planning
report
is
that
what
you're
referring
is
planning
a
transportation.
K
E
I'm
talking
about
the
staff
report
and
I'm
also
talking
about
the
historical
motions
that
were
placed
at
that
time,
I
have
a
councillor
McConnell
by
Councillor,
I.
Think
it's
DiGiorgio
at
the
hamster
pit
field,
everybody
who
is
actually
no
longer
in
this
building,
so
a
bit
of
that
institutional
memory
is
lost.
But
my
question
is
contained
in
that
that
committee
report
meeting
number
three
of
2003.
There
were
some.
K
E
Is
there
any
legitimacy
into
what
the
what
what
those
concerns
are
about
like,
for
example,
when
communities
receive
new
shelter
facilities
and
the
shelter's?
You
know-
and
this
is
very
arbitrary,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
I.
Think
observations
from
from
the
community
members.
Is
that
they're
not
necessarily
they're,
not
necessarily
having
a
positive
impact
on
the
community
because
of
the
excessive
garbage
or
perhaps
assaults
that
may
arise
from
that
activity?
E
So
the
question
is,
you
know:
does
that
it,
the
2003
report
and
subsequently
what's
happening
in
2019
2018
as
we
lift
the
shelter
restrictions
as
we
increase
the
options
of
the
as
of
right
permissions
to
place
shelters
across
many
many
neighborhoods
in
the
city?
Does
the
city
not
have
a
responsibility
to
make
sure
we
have
adequate
wraparound
supports
for
those
facilities
and
shelter
providers?
The
city
has
a
responsibility
and
then,
in
your
opinion,
as
you
come
forward
to
ask
for
to
support
the
increase,
those
options,
do
you
believe
we've
done
enough
done.
E
K
K
E
L
Hello,
my
name's
Karen
Mayer
and
I'm,
the
president
of
cabochon,
south
residents
association.
Our
boundaries
are
from
north-south
shooter
to
Carlton,
east-west
Sherbourne
Department.
Our
association's
objective
I
had
to
put
my
glasses
on
our
association
objects
to
removing
the
250
meter
exemption
for
shelters
and
respite
sites
on
behalf
of
our
community.
We
are
part
of
the
Downtown
East
Ward
13.
L
L
Margaret's
respite
at
Dundas
and
Sherbourne
to
Seton
house
is
700
meters.
Two
city
blocks
east.
Their
capacity
is
700
people
Margaret's
to
Maximian
at
Sherbourne
and
Queen
450
meters,
two
city
blocks,
south
its
capacity
is
375.
People
Margaret's
to
the
Gateway
at
1:07
is
900
meters,
three
and
a
half
city
blocks
capacity
of
a
hundred
and
seventy
one
hundred
and
seven
people,
including
Margaret's
there
drop
in
of
fifty
nighttime
respite
sites.
That's
a
total
of
thirteen
hundred
and
seven
pets
for
just
these
shelters.
L
We
are
in
crisis
with
the
over
concentration
of
city,
shelters
and
respite
sites.
There
is
also
five
of
the
seven
safe
injection
sites
within
blocks
of
each
other.
In
our
area.
We
need
your
help.
Creating
balanced
communities.
Cabbagetown
South,
continues
to
experience
extreme
crime
rate
rise
since
spring
2018
personal
assaults,
intimidation,
drugs,
car
and
home
breaking
enters
random.
Acts
of
violence
occurs
daily,
not
just
the
residents
are
experiencing
violence,
our
vulnerable
homeless
population
as
well.
Some
have
left
for
fear
of
their
personal
safety.
L
Toronto
police,
51
division
did
an
online
survey
this
summer
called
Dundas
Street,
East
and
Sherbourne
safety
area
survey.
197
people
completed
this
survey.
Most
of
the
people
do
not
feel
safe
any
time
or
night
at
Dundas
and
Sherbourne
area,
just
over
40
percent
say
they
feel
very
safe,
reasonably
safe
in
the
morning
and
mid-afternoon
85
percent
said
somewhat
unsafe,
very
unsafe
at
night
and
overnight,
with
the
majority
feeling
very
unsafe.
These
results
are
telling
many
people
involved
in
crime
are
drug
users.
L
L
We've
been
working
towards
a
five-year
plan
with
councillor
Wong
time,
city
staff,
51
division
to
help
regain
our
public
safety
since
early
last
year.
Creating
balanced
communities
for
everyone
should
be
our
goal,
not
just
looking
on
a
map
for
a
location
with
some
distance
requirements.
We
request
you
do
your
research
at
the
community
level
boots
on
the
ground,
determining
locations
and
the
needs
of
people.
In
our
opinion,
changing
the
city
bylaws
will
not
create
the
solution
for
homeless.
L
In
our
city,
we
ask
you
to
focus
on
more
permanent
solutions,
people
living
in
shelters
and
respite
sites
permanently.
In
our
neighborhood
we
asked
the
city
direct,
more
resources
in
creating
supportive
housing
transitioning
into
permanent
housing.
Not
just
shelters,
Cabbagetown
south
of
residents
association
asked
this
committee
not
to
change
the
distance
by
law
and
to
commit
to
not
locating
any
more
shelters
or
respite
sites
in
the
Downtown
East.
We
need
safe
and
balanced
communities.
Thank
you.
E
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
Karen
for
your
deputation
with
respect
to
the
numbers
that
you
just
cited
about
1,300
beds
and
about
in
in
two
directions
of
each
block.
Are
there.
It
sounds
like
there's
also
a
number
of
services
that
pert
that
are
supposed
to
be
working
towards
giving
rehabilitation
providing
housing.
Mental
health
supports
for
the
occupants
of
the
shelters.
Do
you
find
that
there's
enough
coordination
in
collaboration?
No.
L
Everybody
is
working
independently
right
now
and
they're
not
crossing
over.
Oh
we're.
Margaret's
were
this:
were
this
nobody's
working
together,
we're
starting
to
get
a
little
bit
of
coordination,
but,
as
I
said,
we've
been
working
since
the
spring
and
trying
to
get
groups
together
and
help
with
their
issues
and
their
problems.
L
The
sheer
numbers
of
people
at
Sherbourne
and
done
to
us
I
got
emails
that
there
was
like
50
people
out
on
the
sidewalk
having
a
party
last
night
doing
drugs
selling
drugs,
it's
out
of
control
and
the
police
can't
be
there.
24/7
fleecing
the
city,
sidewalks
there's
just
too
much
concentration
of
these
social
services
and.
E
With
respect
to
the
the
the
the
crowding
of
the
shelters,
I
think
we've
heard
that
from
from
even
those
who
are
who
are
residents
and
users
is
that
they
don't
sometimes
feel
safe
using
those
city
run
facilities
or
perhaps
agencies
that
are
funded
by
the
city
to
operate.
Those
shelter
services
is
one
of
the
solutions
to
actually
reduce
the
crowding,
because
we've
heard
it
from
every
every
everybody's
appeared
before
the
previous
committee
of
Community
Development
recreation
is
that
we
need
to
reduce
the
number
of
occupants
per
shelter.
E
We
need
to
expand
programming,
including
day
programming,
which
oftentimes
doesn't
exist,
so
it
means
that
8
o'clock
in
the
morning
the
shelter
closes
and
then
and
the
occupants
can't
go
back
home
until
4:00
p.m.
it
really
does
sound
like
we
need
to
think
again
about
the
shelter
model
and
also
to
reduce
the
population.
So
we
eliminate
the
overcrowding
where.
L
The
places
in
our
neighborhood
that
have
success
are
small,
supportive
housing
that
are
there
for
the
people.
Getting
these
large
numbers,
700
men
in
one
place
on
a
daily
basis,
isn't
working
and
the
city
has
tried
to
have
activities,
but
a
baseball
game.
Once
a
week
in
Moss,
Park
isn't
enough
there,
the
summer
is
long
and
and
in
the
winter
there's
nowhere
to
go
and.
E
With
respect
to
the
report,
its
staff
are
looking
for
facilities
approximately
20,000
square
feet.
That's
the
I
think
that's
the
the
size
that
they're
looking
for
they're,
hoping
to
build
these
larger
facilities
that
will
have
a
hundred
plus
individuals
that
will
have
programming
is
part
of
the
problem.
Siting
new
shelter
locations.
Also,
the
fact
that
we're
looking
for
about
20,000
square
feet
per
new
facility
I
think.
L
E
L
Ontario
and
Seton:
it's
supportive
housing
they've
been
there
five
years
and
there
that
we
they've
integrated
in
the
community
and
we've
never
had
an
issue.
Margaret's
is
building
supportive
housing
in
the
Winchester
neighborhood
for
women
with
mental
illness
and
addiction
issues.
Twenty
twenty
women
living
in
a
house
meal
planning
together
happiness.
E
L
A
Morning,
Jennifer
morning,
it's
thank
you.
For
your
time.
My
name
is
Jennifer
Walker
and
I'm.
A
20-year
resident
of
Cabbagetown
South
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
700
families
that
reside
in
this
area,
Cabbagetown
south,
is
in
the
downtown
he's
bordered
by
Sherbourne
Parliament,
Carlton,
Street
and
shooter
part
of
the
Downtown
East
plan,
also
supported
by
Kristyn
wong-tam.
Our
community
is
scared
and
living
in
fear.
A
We
ask
that
you
leave
the
250
meter
exemption
for
shelters
in
place
for
community
for
the
following
reason,
since
the
arrival
of
a
24-hour
respite
and
safe
injection
site
in
the
middle
of
June
of
2018,
which
are
directly
across
the
street
from
each
other
crime,
has
escalated
exponentially
in
our
neighborhood.
Since
March
2nd,
we
have
had
four
break
and
enters
while
people
have
been
at
home
in
the
daytime.
A
We've
had
multiple
stabbings
since
December
6
we've
had
a
shooting,
as
recently
as
February
13th
car
break-ins
in
the
past
six
months
have
escalated
up
to
30
most
recently.
Yesterday,
again,
our
community
is
scared
and
living
in
fear.
We
are
a
community
that
embraces
diversity
and
supports
effective
programs
that
provide
mental
health
services
and
supportive
housing
to
the
marginalized.
A
Yet,
in
our
small
community
there
is
a
disproportionate
number
of
social
services,
shelters
and
harm
reduction
sites
causing
illegal
and
harmful
behavior
and
a
magnet
for
drug
dealers
that
camp
out
at
the
doors
of
places
like
Margaret's
and
Street
health.
At
times
invading
our
tcht
buildings
and
seniors
buildings,
our
shelters
not
to
provide
a
safe
environment
for
the
vulnerable
and
marginalized
I.
Ask
you:
does
this
sound
like
a
suitable
neighborhood
to
open
another
shelter?
A
There
is
no
longer
in
a
balance
in
our
small
community.
Families
with
young
children
are
leaving
the
marginalized
people
that
used
to
live
in
our
neighborhood
are
afraid
and
have
left
our
community
is
being
destroyed.
We
are
asking
we
are
imploring
you
to
please
reconsider
the
motion
before
you
do
not
remove
the
250
meter
boundary
in
Cabbagetown,
south
and
the
downtown
east
core.
Let's
take
the
time
to
come
up
with
a
plan
for
suitable
permanent,
supportive
and
traditional
health
transitional
housing,
not
more
temporary
band-aids.
A
A
M
Morning,
my
name
is
gene
Stevenson
I
am
the
executive
director
of
Madison
Community
Services,
which
is
a
mental
health
case
management
and
supportive
housing
agency
and
I
am
also
a
member
of
the
Toronto
Line
Stan
homelessness
on
the
steering
committee
and
I'm.
Also,
the
vice
chair
of
the
executive
committee
I'm
actually
here
to
speak
more
to
the
later
later
item
on
the
agenda
item
on
expanding
supportive
housing
in
Toronto,
but
I
do
also
want
and
have
the
Toronto
Alliance
to
End
Homelessness
wanted
another
voice
speaking
in
favor
of
these
zoning
revisions.
M
Obviously
we
are
all
about
and
have
been
from
the
beginning
that
permanent
housing
is
the
solution
to
homelessness
and
and
in
many
cases,
the
need
for
supportive
housing
for
the
individuals
who
need
to
transition
from
homelessness
into
housing.
But
by
the
same
token,
there
is
a
crisis.
There
is
a
homelessness
crises
in
the
city
right
now
that
doesn't
need
to
be
addressed.
City
council
itself
has
required
s
sha
to
find
1,000
new
beds,
and
it's
been
in
the
process
of
doing
that
and
trying
going
through
the
difficult
situation
of
trying
to
find
sites
for
these.
M
A
thousand
new
beds,
so
I
also
representing
the
Toronto
langston
homelessness,
applaud
the
city
planning
staff
for
bringing
forward
these
recommendations
today
and
acknowledging
that
separate
separation.
Distances
between
municipal
shelters
have
no
planning
rationale
and
do
not
have
the
desired
effect
of
promoting
distribution
of
this
kind
of
shelters
across
the
city.
So
we
urge
the
committee
and
City
Council
to
remove
these
unnecessary
and,
in
fact
discriminatory
discriminatory
restrictions
on
municipal
shelters.
We
urge
you
to
direct
planning
staff
to
carefully
examine
the
similar
restrictions
on
other
residential
uses.
M
You
know
much
more
client,
friendly
and
humane
designs
in
terms
of
just
two
beds
per
you
know,
an
attractive
typical
space
for
the
clients
to
store
their
possessions,
being
pet,
friendly
and
pets
being
allowed
in
the
building,
and
also
a
huge
emphasis
on
natural
light
and
windows
around
and
very,
very
large
community
space,
and
including
no
requirement
for
the
shelter
residents
to
leave
during
the
day
so,
to
a
certain
extent
it's.
It
is.
M
Extraordinarily
improved
temporary
home
for
these
individuals.
In
addition,
then,
there
is
also
a
focus
on
creating
focusing
on
employment
opportunities
and
carrying
out
employment
fairs
and
dealing
with
that
right.
Poverty,
side
of
homelessness,
but
also
ensuring
that
there
is
the
support
from
community
agencies
that
many
of
the
previous
speakers.
A
N
Good
morning,
Jeff
cartel
co-chair
the
Federation
of
North
Toronto,
resin
associations
and
John
Boston's
on
our
steering
committee
is
here
as
well.
I
felt
compelled
to
come
forward
to
speak
as
a
different
voice
from
some
of
the
you
know
interesting
deputations
made,
but
we
did
superb
Idol
Adam,
so
I'm
basically
reiterating
the
messages
you
know
in
our
letter.
Basically
the
founder
of
a
report
very
disappointing.
N
It's
really
saying
that
the
city's
desire
to
space
shelters
geographically
across
the
city
is
not
being
achieved
by
this
one
parameter
of
the
spacing
separation,
and
so
what
have
it
yet,
while
proposing
to
remove
the
locational
restrictions?
The
report
does
not
propose
anything
in
its
place
to
address
the
issue.
The
report
notes
that
the
separators
were
added
in
2003
due
to
issues
arising,
so
logic
would
would
compel
us
to
say
that
you
take
them
out.
Surely
you're
just
going
to
return
to
the
former
situation,
the
one
that
led
to
their
creation.
N
So
what
is
left
of
the
regulatory
framework?
At
the
end?
It
appears
that
the
only
part
of
the
framework
that
we
know
about
is
the
zoning,
the
very
crude
tool
of
the
zoning
map,
where
employment
lands
excluded
from
from
shelters.
So
it
seems
to
us
that
the
city
still
needs
a
locational
strategy
for
shelters
are
comprehensive
as
part
of
a
comprehensive
approach
to
shelters
and
and
housing.
This
report
just
doesn't
cut
it
recognize
that
this
is
not
an
insignificant
challenge.
Given
the
complexity
of
the
issue,
however,
this
report
does
not
provide
a
strategy.
N
So
as
such,
we
would
recommend
or
request
that
this
committee,
we
further
report
back
to
staff
for
more
for
more
work.
Basically,
there's
no
research,
provided
here
no
analysis.
No,
you
know
no
consultant's
report
or
and
looking
at
the
situation
in
an
in-depth
way,
it
seems
to
be
a
very
slim
approach
to
to
the
issue
in
our
discussions.
There's
also
been
concerns
raised
about
the
amount
of
the
approach
to
engagement
with
communities.
N
N
N
But
we're
very
well
aware
of
the
fact
that
there
are
many
cases
where
there
are
all
kinds
of
negative
externalities,
as
some
of
the
deputies
here
today
have
have
emphasized,
and
that
we
need
a
a
more
comprehensive
approach
to
this,
something
that
doesn't
just
say:
okay,
we
don't
have
any
regulation,
we're
not
going
to
be
concerned
with
the
problem.
I
think
there
is
a
problem
here,
there's
a
problem
of
making
homeless,
shelters,
work
and
that's
why
we
believe
that
this
proposal
is
by
itself
inadequate.
So.
I
N
I
N
I
N
Surgeon
I,
just
very
briefly,
just
wanted
to
comment
on
a
couple
of
things
that
I've
heard
so
the
last
speaker.
My
name
is
Paul
Dowling.
By
the
way,
I
should
say
that
the
last
speaker
spoke
to
the
YWCA
residents
in
the
Summer
Hill
area,
and
he
talked
about
how
I'm
it's
very
well
run
and
has
never
any
difficulties
been
really
pleased
to
hear
that
previous
speakers
talked
about
the
off
dairy
site
on
and
on
I.
Think
it's
on
Ontario
Street,
which
again
she
commented
was
very
well
done.
N
The
the
all
Jerry
site,
I
should
say,
is
is
operated
by
st.
Jude
community
homes,
one
block
away,
one
block
one
city
block
away
from
from
their
original
site
at
the
corner
of
Dundas
and
Parliament.
So
when
that,
when
they
operated
opened
the
second
site
well
within
250
meters
of
the
first
site,
they
now
have
a
second
facility,
where
they're
continuing
to
provide
supportive
housing
for
people
in
the
community
and
the
very
well
operated,
as
we've
heard
from
the
speaker
and
I
as
I
know
from
having
visited
there.
N
And
if
the
YWCA
wanted
to
open
a
second
shelter
just
next
door
to
their
shelter
on
in
the
Summer
Hill
area.
The
bylaw
would
prevent
from
doing
that,
no
matter
how
well
how
well
then
it
might
be
no
matter
how
how
positively
influenced
they've
had
on
the
community
and
how
well
they've
served
the
community
for
many
years.
This
Bible
I
wouldn't
permit
them
to
do
that,
because
it
simply
says
that's
required
to
be
a
separation
distance.
N
All
the
things
that
have
been
said
about
the
need
to
have
shelter
as
well
run
to
think
about
locational
considerations
to
think
about
operating
decisions
about
how
you,
how
you
locate,
shelters,
all
very
true
but
having
a
bylaw,
which
sort
of
as
a
blanket
says
you
can't
have
a
shelter
within
250
metres
of
another
shelter
is
an
inappropriate
way
of
achieving
those
ends.
So
I
would
urge
the
committee
to
support
the
staff
recommendation
and
approve
this
and
members.
The
byline
thank.
I
N
Tree
has
miss
Laird,
said
to
me,
as,
as
miss
Laird
said,
any
kind
of
facility,
whether
it's
a
private
home
or
a
shelter
or
supportive
housing
can
be
well.
Runner
can
be
badly
run,
they
should
be
well
than
all
of
them,
late
and
and
sometimes
that's
lack
of
resources.
Sometimes
it's
a
lack
of
supervision,
but
we
should.
We
should
certainly
be
expecting
high
standards
from
everybody
in
the
community.
So.
I
E
G
Through
the
through
the
chair,
this
request
originates
from
last
year
and
I.
Think
I
can
safely
acknowledge
that
this
council
is
seized
with
the
urgency
of
dealing
with
the
full
spectrum
of
housing
challenges
that
the
city
has,
this
being
among
the
more
challenging
aspects
of
the
city's
housing
challenges.
So
I
would
my
advice
to
you
would
be
to
consider
the
matter
and
send
it
to
Council
and.
E
O
Through
the
chair,
yes,
as
you
know,
we've
been
aggressively
moving
forward
citing
new
shelters.
Over
the
last
24
months,
we've
looked
at
four
hundred
different
locations.
We've
been
very
successful
in
that
24
months.
We've
actually
cited
16
new
shelters
across
the
city.
Only
two
of
them
are
in
the
downtown
we're
looking
at
a
much
broader
approach
across
the
city.
We
need
eight
other
locations,
though,
to
meet
our
thousand
bed
direction
from
City
Council,
and
there
were
33
locations
that
were
good
locations
across
the
city
that
these
performance
standards
impacted.
O
So
we
could
have
moved
you
know
more
aggressively
and
open
more
sites,
but
because
of
the
performance
standards,
we
were
not
able
to
do
that,
and
so
in
this
situation,
if
they
were
not
there,
there's
just
more
opportunities
for
the
city
to
look
at
different
sites.
I
would
like
to
stress
that
we
do
consider
the
you
know
the
intensification
issue.
We
are
not
looking
at
just
sighting
shelters
in
the
downtown
core,
we're
looking
right
across
the
city,
as
evidenced
by
the
16
sites,
14
of
those
being
more
broadly
across
the
city
and.
E
Then
the
434
sites
that
would
have
met
the
physical
criterias
of
what
you
were
looking
for,
but
but
you
were
running
up
against
the
the
roadblock
around
zoning.
Is
that
correct
through
the
chair?
That's
correct!
So
so
by
way
of
passing
this
report
along
to
council,
it
would
actually
open
up
those
34
sites
that
you've
already
identified,
but
because
of
the
zoning
restrictions
you
you
weren't
able
to
move
forward
on
it
through.
E
I
know
that
overall,
there's
a
strategy
to
revitalize
George
Street,
just
to
go
local
for
a
bit.
I.
Rarely
do
this,
but
I'm
just
going
to
drill
down
onto
George
Street,
simply
because
the
the
residents
who
spoke
from
the
cabbage
town
South
specifically
spoke
around
that
the
conditions
on
George
Street.
Would
it
be
agreeable
to
you
as
manager
of
SSA
Jay,
that
the
current
conditions
and
the
the
volume
of
activity
on
George
Street
is
not
ideal
and
something
that
you're
actively
working
to
change
through
the
chair.
O
Absolutely
staff
completely
agree
with
that,
as
evidenced
by
the
new
standards,
what
we're
moving
forward
with
shelters
that
are
between
80
and
100
people,
as
opposed
to
the
seat
and
house
situation
where
you
have.
You
know
550
individuals
in
there
and
so
we're
looking
to
close
Seton
House
mid
2020
and
reopen
it
really
with
many
different
services:
affordable,
housing,
a
community
hub.
Yes,
an
emergency
shelter,
a
hundred
bed,
emergency
shelter,
but
also
a
378
bed,
long-term
care
home
facility
and.
E
So
how
critical
is,
is
the
Seton
house,
revitalization
or
the
George
Street
revitalization,
and
even
the
Downtown
East
action
plan,
as
we
work
to
build
a
more
inclusive,
healthier,
balanced
neighborhood?
How
critical
is
is:
is
it
that
this
report
moves
forward
in
order
to
unlock
new
opportunities
to
to
start
to
move
people
into
places
where
it's
not
so
crowded
modern
facilities,
where
it's
more
inclusively
designed
it's
Amit's
al
da
requirements?
We
know
many
shelters
are
not
accessible
today,
especially
in
the
older
facilities.
How
critical
is
it
that
this
report
moves
forward
in?
O
I
I
O
I
M
F
F
The
only
area
that
municipal
shelters
are
not
permitted
by
the
city's
comprehensive
zoning
bylaw
is
in
employment
areas.
There
is
a
planning
framework
in
place
where
they're
permitted
across
the
city.
They
are
still
subject
to
the
prevailing
regulations
and
performance
standards
of
the
base.
Zoning
in
each
of
those
zones,
but.
I
G
I
I
am
thank
you
and
just
operationally
you've
heard
you've
heard
today.
People
talk
about
the.
Why
other
shelters
me
talking
mr.
Dowling
about
the
a
Liberty
house
on
Girard,
exceptionally
well-run?
What
steps
do
you
have
or
take
when
we're
finding
that
perhaps
places
are
not
as
well
run
or
they
have
difficult
clients
and
they
have
to
get
extra
attention
or
extra
money?
Are
you
able
to
work
in
that
way
and
assist
the
operators
in
the
community
through
the.
O
Chair
absolutely
the
vast
majority
of
the
programs
that
are
run.
The
sixty-five
shelter
programs
are
run
very
very
well.
We
have
had
some
recent
challenges
over
the
last
18
months,
related
to
the
new
respite
programs
that
we've
opened
and
operated,
and
we've
adjusted
the
operational
model
there.
Just
recently,
we
created
new
standards
for
those
locations.
We
are
doing
weekly
follow-ups,
site
visits
with
the
actual
operators,
multi-divisional
approach,
collecting
garbage,
employing
the
police,
also
making
sure
there's
additional
security
and
those
types
of
things
so
we're
actively
trying
to
improve
those
standards
and
improve
those
operations.
I
Of
got
the
impression
from
one
of
the
deficits
that
300
needles
were
found
near
the
temporary
shelter
and
that
the
was
those
came
from
that
shelter,
even
though
it's
a
downtown
location.
Is
that
the
case,
or
was
that
built
up
over
a
longer
period
of
time?
Can
you
tell
me
a
little
bit
more
about
that
I'm
through.
O
The
chair
we
have
over
the
last
couple
of
years
recognized
a
real
need
and
what
I
mean
we
the
city
to
focus
on
needle
pickup.
We
know
that
Toronto
Public
Health
hands
out
2
million
needles
a
year
and
so
there's
a
very
focused
program
now
to
pick
up
needles,
and
there
was
a
one-day
pick
up
there
were.
There
was
a
big
chunk
of
needles
picked
up,
but
we
are
now
in
more
of
a
maintenance
mode.
O
I
I
Okay,
I
just
but
I'll
speak
about
that,
but
the
impression
is
that
there's
a
shelter
and
300
needles
are
related
to
that
shelter
and
I'm
asking
shelter
staff.
Is
that
the
case
or
is
it?
Have
they
been
there
for
a
long
time?
You've
just
gone
in
to
pick
them
up
because
there's
been
a
complaint,
I
think
that's
a
fair
question.
I
think
it's
a
pretty
straightforward
answer
really.
P
F
P
That
was
not
originally
part
of
the
staff
recommendations
brought
forward.
That
was
a
decision
made
by
counsel
at
the
time
to
include
that
through
you,
madam
chair,
that
is
correct.
Okay
and
the
report
states
that
we're
talking
about
municipal
shelters
are
an
important
short-term
response
to
our
homelessness.
But,
as
some
of
the
conversation
has
been
around
here
this
morning,
we
need
affordable
housing
options,
so
we
have
a
preference
to
own
the
shelter
sites.
Does
s
sha
consider
the
transition
of
shelter
sites
into
affordable
housing
options
further
along
the
line
of
these
properties?
O
H
G
H
F
You,
madam
chair
people,
zoning
is
essentially
amounts
to
they're,
regularly
regulating
of
the
user
and
not
that
use,
and
so,
if
you
do
that
zoning
can
be
challenges
ultra
virus,
in
other
words,
it's
beyond
legal
ability
to
do
so
or
vague
or
discriminate.
So
we
always
focus
all
zoning
and
zoning
changes
on
land
use,
not
the
user
and.
H
I
mean
they're,
just
I
mean,
let's,
let's
be
honest
with
each
other
for
a
minute
there
there
have
been
instances
in
Canada
and
other
jurisdictions
where
municipalities
have
tried
to
zone
the
user
and
not
the
use,
and
these
efforts
have
come
out
of
you
know
way
the
motives
that
are
deeply
discriminatory.
There
are
times
racist,
the
classes
that
are
about
other
in
people
that
has
happened.
That's
why
it's
a
very
strong
principle
in
planning
law
not
to
zone
people.
Am
I
right?
H
G
Correct
it's
been
adjudicated
at
the
Supreme
Court
in
many
famous
cases,
I
think
I'm
looking
at
Brian,
but
the
Bell
case
is
one
that
comes
to
mind
where
and
in
fact
the
Planning
Act
has
been
amended
specifically
to
direct
municipalities
to
not
pass
by
laws
that
deal
with
this
approach.
Yes,
that's
correct
is.
O
H
Thanks
there
have
been
issues
that
have
come
up
about
harms
that
are
caused
because
of
some
of
the
shelters
and
other
supports
that
we
provide
to
people
who
are
either
precariously
housed
or
not
housed
at
all.
That's
not
a
zoning
matter.
That's
a
matter
of
whether
we
as
a
city
make
the
appropriate
investments
in
supporting
people
and
making
sure
that
services
are
well
run.
Is
that
correct,
I.
G
H
G
H
E
Thank
you
very
much.
I
do
have
a
motion.
I
asked
the
clerk
to
put
that
on
the
screen.
I
would
ask
that
that
city
staff
report
directly
to
the
to
City
Council
on
two
components,
there's
an
ongoing
a
five-year
action
plan
for
the
downtown
he
says
being
formulated
specifically
to
address
the
coordination
and
service
collaboration
of
those
services
in
that
catchment
area.
E
It's
almost
a
two-year
body
of
work,
that's
underway,
but
I
think
that
it's
important
for
us
to
recognize
that
what
the
deputies
had
spoken
I
need
to
be
better
coordinated
and
the
two
should
go
together
and
then
the
other
requests
is
for
what
again,
the
deputy
ins
brought
forward
is
to
ensure
that
the
as
of
right
provisions
and
permissions
as
we're
considering
them.
If
should
they
go
ahead?
E
We
need
to
also
take
into
consideration
the
existing
geographies
and
what
those
services
are
already
in
place
in
those
neighborhoods
and
make
sure
that
there
is
enough
wrap
around
community
services
to
provide
supports
for
these
new
facilities
when
they
go
in
and
and
so
that
all
of
it
will
go
directly
to
City
Council.
This
particular
zoning
piece,
as
well
as
the
operational
piece
and
now
staff
to
speak
to
it
and
it
doesn't
slow
anything
down
because
I
think
that
staff
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
you
for
bringing
this
report
forward.
E
I
think
it's
really
important,
based
on
what
the
responses
were
from
both
our
chief
planner
as
well
as
our
general
manager.
S
sha,
is
that
there
has
to
be
a
coordination
of
this
work
in
this
coming
together.
It's
critically
important
for
us
to
recognize
that
there
are
good
operations
and
bad
operations,
and
some
time
we're
not
talking
about
people
we're
just
in
talking
about
effective
operations
when
good
services
and
effective
services
are
being
delivered,
we
don't
hear
a
peep
from
those
neighborhoods,
and
that
means
that
there's
probably
not
overcrowding.
E
The
services
are
available
to
meet
the
clients
where
they
are,
and
that
includes
mental
health,
supports
that
includes
drop-in,
day
programming.
It
provides
additional
medical
and
health
care.
All
of
that
is
in
place
to
provide
support
to
the
service
provider
so
that
they
can
in
turn
provide
support
to
their
clients.
E
We
don't
hear
a
lot
from
those
communities
that
are
hosting
those
facilities
because
they're
living
side
by
side
without
any
problems
and
challenges,
but
when
we
do
hear
from
the
community,
we
also
need
to
take
note
that
things
are
not
healthy,
because
by
time
it
spills
out
into
the
neighborhood.
It
probably
says
that
there's
something
not
quite
right
about
the
operations
internally
or
perhaps
it
has.
E
Do
they
also
extend
to
24-hour
drop-in
facilities
where
you
have
beds
and
cots
on
the
floor?
So
I
do
think
that
we
have
a
responsibility
here
to
streamline
and
make
sure
that
we
know
exactly
the
service
that
we're
contracting
out
for
service
providers
to
deliver,
but
at
the
same
time,
while
we're
improving
those
services
and
I
do
recognize
that
the
the
new
shelter
standards
are
all
about.
Modernizing
the
service
delivery.
It
is
specifically
talking
about
wraparound
supports.
It
is
specifically
talking
about
building
supports
on-site.
A
H
There
is
a
vicious
spiral
about
how
we,
as
a
society
deal
with
these
issues.
That's
being
put
right
in
front
of
us
today.
We
inadequately
support
people
who,
for
one
reason
or
another,
have
found
housing
to
be
a
challenge.
Maybe
it's
a
mental
health
issue.
Maybe
it's
an
addiction
issue.
Maybe
they
got
laid
off.
Maybe
there's
been
some
breakdown
in
the
family
home
for
a
variety
of
reasons:
people
wind
up
living
on
the
street
and
as
a
society,
we
do
very
little
about
that.
We
do
very
little
about
that.
H
We
don't
make
the
investments
in
the
mental
health
system
that
we
need
to
make.
We
don't
make
the
investments
in
harm
reduction,
programs
and
D
stigmatizing
drug
use
that
we
need
to
make.
We
don't
help
young
people
who
are
having
problems
in
the
family,
home
and
wind
up
on
the
street.
We
simply
don't
make
those
investments,
that's
that's
on
the
federal
and
provincial
governments,
then,
as
a
city,
when
we
wind
up
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
deal
with
those
social
problems
that
have
been
created
by
the
deep
inequities
in
our
system
society.
H
So
thank
you
for
that.
Councillor,
Wong,
Pam
I
do
want
to
go
back
to,
though,
to
some
of
the
things
we
heard
from
some
community
members.
Yes,
I
understand
that,
because
of
the
failures
all
away
along
at
different
orders
of
government,
including
ours,
having
a
shelter
or
a
respite
in
your
community
brings
with
it
various
problems.
H
I
I
know
that
but
they're
not
problems
that
are
caused
by
our
zoning
bylaw
they're
problems
caused
by
the
fact
that
we
have,
for
decades
been
moving
away
from
being
a
compassionate
and
inclusive
society
to
one
that
just
says:
go
out
and
get
as
much
wealthy.
You
can
and
as
you
can
and
damn
everybody
else-
and
you
don't
solve
that
with
zoning,
because
when
you
try
to
solve
that
problem
with
zoning,
you
create
a
circumstance
where
it
becomes
legal
to
say.
H
Who's
allowed
to
live
in
your
neighborhood
and
governments
on
this
continent
and
governments
in
other
in
other
parts
of
the
world
have
used
that
tool
for
some
of
the
most
horrific
exclusions.
Socially,
that
you
can
imagine.
People
have
been
excluded
because
of
their
skin
color
people
have
been
excluded
because
of
their
religion.
People
have
been
excluded
because
of
how
much
money
they
have
and
I
will
not
sit
here
and
use
a
zoning
tool
that
opens
that
door.
I
won't
do
it
today.
We
won't
do
it
tomorrow,
I
won't
ever
do
it.
H
H
We
have
to
deal
with
the
problems
that
councillor
Wong
Tam
is
talking
about
it
and
absolutely
that
involves
public
investment
and
I
hope
that
the
same
people
we
heard
here
today
talking
about
using
the
zoning
tool,
are
there
fighting
to
make
sure
that
we,
as
a
society,
collect
enough
tax
revenue
to
provide
the
services
to
people
who
have
had
a
bad
hand,
dealt
to
them
in
life
so
that
they
can
be
stable
housed
so
that
they
can
rebuild
their
lives
and
so
that
we
can
become
a
more
inclusive
and
equitable
society.
Thank
You.
P
Thanks
very
much,
this
is
a
super
important
discussion
that
we're
having
this
morning
and
I
want
to
thank
the
staff
for
all
of
their
hard
work
on
this
you
know,
I
would
echo
councillor
perks,
comments
that
this
is.
This
is
long
overdue
and
I'm
happy
that
we're
moving
it
forward
this
morning,
shelters
are,
of
course,
a
necessary
service
in
this
city,
and
the
need
for
shelters
really
speaks
to
the
complexity
of
homelessness
and
affordability
and
the
challenges
that
we're
facing
here
in
Toronto.
P
Even
if
we
could
fund
you
know
an
unlimited
amount
of
supportive
and
affordable
housing.
People
of
course,
would
still
be
experiencing
homelessness,
given
all
the
complicated
reasons
that
somebody
may
find
themselves
on
this
on
the
street
at
night.
So
we
need
a
multi-faceted
approach
to
housing,
affordability,
to
supportive
housing
and,
and
sometimes
the
politics
of
that
gets
in
the
way
of
good
policy
and
I.
P
That
has
historically
been
a
problem
and
continues
to
be
a
problem
today
and
it's
not
something
that
we're
going
to
resolve
overnight.
But
we
need
to.
We
need
to
do
what
we
can
on
that
I'm,
also
working
with
SSH,
a
in
in
our
ward
in
119
to
actually
find
opportunities
to
bring
shelter
services
in
as
part
of
a
library
redevelopment
project
in
our
ward
and
I.
Think
that's
you
know.
P
Councillors
can
play
a
role
in
that
that
as
well
to
actually
proactively
be
looking
for
opportunities
and
sites
to
bring
these
important
services
and
to
spread
them
across
the
city.
So
one
of
the
things,
though,
that
that
kind
of
I
think
emerged
this
morning
is,
we
really
do
need
to
be
careful
not
to
conflate
the
idea
of
separation
distances
and
somehow
address
or
confusing
that
this
this
will
actually
increase
the
concentration
of
shelters
in
one
area.
P
Separation
distances
are
not
related
to
the
concentration
of
shelters
in
an
area,
so
the
density
of
shelters
is
based
on
many
factors.
The
most
important,
of
course,
is
need,
but
it
also
comes
down
to
simply
where
we
have
viable
sites
and
the
staff.
The
report
from
staff
really
did
allude
to
that.
So
we,
you
know
I.
I
Thank
you
and
I
will
be
supporting
the
staff
recommendations
and
happily
supporting
those
also
Chris
councillor
long
times,
motion
I,
really.
Last
night
I
was
at
a
tenant
meeting
called
in
Toronto
Danforth
and
the
number
of
tenants
who
are
worried
about
being
homeless
and
the
number
of
people
that
are
being
evicted,
including
our
Langley
shelter,
with
everybody
worried
about
being
renovated.
We
are
facing
a
homelessness
crisis
that
are
people
that
might
be
our
friends
and
neighbors
that
don't
have
anywhere
to
go.
I
It
is
really
super
ly
difficult
reality
here
in
the
city
of
Toronto
and
I'm,
going
to
ask
all
the
deputies
here
today
that
speak
to
us
on
other
matters,
what
they
think
about
the
215
us
removing
that
as
part
of
a
very
important
step
that
we
take.
I
certainly
take
note
ms
Laird's
advice
very
seriously.
Where
is
she
back
there?
Because
this
is
a
human
rights
issue?
I
We've
been
told
that
many
times
and
I
think
if
we
were
to
turn
this
down
or
send
this
off
or
blur
it
in
some
way
that
certainly
it's
a
candidate
for
the
Human
Rights
Commission.
It's
one
thing
for
zoning
and
we're
clear:
we
need
to
remove
the
zoning
barriers.
It's
another
thing
around
operations
and
while
I
will
remove
the
zoning
barriers
of
250
meters
and
arterial
roads
matters
around
operations
are
something
that
we
need
to
take
seriously.
I
If
someone
isn't
a
good
operator,
then
they
need
to
be
assisted
and
I've
watched
a
shelter
in
Scarborough
fall
apart
because
of
poor
operations,
apparently
on
the
ground.
It
closed
the
only
youth,
shelter
in
Scarborough
and
I
vote.
I
know
you
are
at
that
committee
speaking
about
that
from
CDR
and
I
think
we
have
to
have
as
a
city
a
greater
capacity
to
step
in
assist
those
those
operators
who
are
having
trouble
for
whatever
reason.
I
Many
of
them
are
small
nonprofits
they're,
not
big
corporations,
they're
small
nonprofits
that
are
having
issues
we
can't
afford
to
have
people
stumble
because
of
those
their
inability
to
get
past
things
or
executive
director
board
fights,
and
things
like
that,
and
also
step
in
with
some
what
some
of
the
standards
are.
No
one
asked
that
question
about
the
300
needles
I
understand
that
that
was
in
a
ravine.
I
That
was
a
big
pickup
had
never
been
picked
up
before
I
think
once
the
pickup
has
happened,
because
it
is
downtown,
there's
a
lot
of
truck
use
downtown
if
there's
a
dark
pathway
or
if
there's
a
park.
Yet
that's
where
people
are
going
to
be
using
their
drugs
and
discarding
needles.
So
if
that
happens
again,
then
I
think
we
have
a
bigger
problem.
I
If
that's
a
one-time
pickup
in
response
to
community
concerns,
then
that's
different,
but
I
do
believe
in
a
very
high
standard
and
I
think
the
community
has
a
right
to
expect
a
high
standard,
even
though
some
people
have
a
very
difficult
condition
and
I
agree
with
you.
Councilor
wong-tam,
there's
respite,
there's
24-hour
drop
ins,
and
then
we
move
up
to
shelters
each
one
of
them
has
a
different
context
and
often
have
different
clients,
and
some
people
simply
won't
go
to
a
shelter.
They
simply
won't
go
for
whatever
reason.
I
So
we
have
a
whole
aspect
of
homelessness
that
we're
grappling
with
here
and
I
want
to
thank
everybody
that
is
concerned
and
grappling
with
it
and
put
everybody
ask
everybody
else:
that's
here,
particularly
those
areas
of
the
city
that
don't
have
that
have
very
few
shelters
to
be
more
welcoming
to
take
that
up
in
your
neighborhood
associations,
to
figure
out
how
you
can
welcome
a
well-run
operation
in
your
neighborhood,
because
that's
really
what
we're
asking
everybody
to
do
in
the
city.
I
would
just
say
that
I've
been
through
many
battles
and
there's
people
here
today.
I
I
We've
had
the
Salvation
Army
at
Papen
Riverdale,
where
that
was
a
relentless
struggle
to
have
people
live
there
that
were
moved
when
the
harbor
light
was
was
being
renovated.
The
Red
Door
shelter
to
be
sited
in
Riverdale.
The
community
rose
up
against
that
and
then
ten
years
later
we
have
the
community
embracing
the
Red
Door
shelter,
because
we
went
to
them
to
talk
about
sheltering
if
it
seems
like
it's
something
from
a
different
place
or
a
different
city
or
a
different
planet.
I
When
people
really
understand
what
services
are
there
and
meet
the
operators
meet
people
that
are
there
it's
very
different.
We
had
the
same
fight
around
the
hope,
shelter
in
Leslie
Ville.
It's
now
well
confirmed
operating
well
in
our
neighborhood,
so
I
just
think
that
good
operations
help
everybody
cite
new
shelters
and
again.
I
would
just
ask
those
residents,
associations
that
have
very
few
social
service
providers
in
their
neighborhood
to
find
a
way
to
welcome
them
in
because
they're
going
to
be
coming
into
all
the
neighborhoods
in
the
city.
Thank
you
thank.
A
A
But,
as
councillor
perks
said
here
today,
what
we're
talking
about
is
the
physical
infrastructure
and
one
thing
that
I
always
get
puzzled,
even
though
I
always
feel
like
when
we're
talking
about
opening
shelters,
it's
a
bit
of
a
failure
as
a
city,
but
it's
also
a
recognition
that
you
know.
These
are
issues
that
every
community
faces.
A
Every
community
in
the
City
of
Toronto
deals
with
homelessness
and
we
go
into
our
communities
and
when
we
are
planning
our
communities,
people
want
libraries,
people
want
daycares
people
want
recreational
centers.
What
about
the
shelter
for
our
homeless
people
and
that's
what
we
have
to
start
looking
at
it?
It's
a
community
service
that
needs
to
be
in
the
four
corners
of
our
city
to
serve
the
residents
of
our
community
to
serves
our
need
to
serve
our
neighbors,
and
we
shouldn't
have
these
zoning
issues
to
our
neighbors.
These
are
our
neighbors.
A
These
are
the
people
in
our
communities
that
need
a
bit
of
assistance
and
to
say
that
you
know
what
you
can
only
be
within
80
metres
of
our
fro.
You
can
only
live
for
the
six
months
that
you
need
a
shelter
you
have
to
stay
within
80
metres
of
the
Main
Street
or
you
can't
be
too
close.
250
metres
I.
Don't
think!
That's
the
way
that
we
need
to
do
to
have
and
create
a
shelter
system
and
housing
in
the
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
So
I
think
it's
time
that
we
correct
this.
A
It
will
make
it
easier.
We
know
that
we
we
need
these
spaces
and
we'll
make
it
easier
for
staff
to
to
look
for
these
facilities,
but
we
also
have
to
start
thinking
that
these
are
community
services
that
we
need
in
the
four
corners
of
our
city
to
serve
the
residents
of
Toronto
with
that
can
I
move
it
as
a
package
with
council
Wang
Tim.
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
recorded
vote.
C
C
Okay,
the
motion
in
front
of
you
from
councillor
Bantam,
all
those
in
favor,
councillor,
Bradford,
councillor,
perks,
councillor
Fletcher
councillor
by
Lao
councillor
want
am
that
motion
carries
the
adopt
the
the
item
as
amended
all
those
in
favor
councillor,
bradford,
councillor
perks,
councillor
Fletcher
accounts
are
by
Lao
councillor
of
on
Tam.
Thank.
A
A
O
The
Koffler,
Gallery,
College,
Montrose,
Children's,
Place
and
many
others
have
stable
workplaces
in
the
Queen
West
neighbourhood.
Daniel
spectrum
in
the
revitalizing
neighborhood
of
Regent
Park
will
also
receive
I'mot
under
the
previous
program.
As
many
people
here
know,
commercial
property
taxes
have
been
one
of
the
greatest
threats
to
creating
and
sustaining
dynamic
places
for
culture,
service,
incubation
and
community
building
in
the
city
of
the
recently
passed.
O
Creative
collocations
subclass
is
a
game-changer
for
cultural
hubs
because
it
provides
stability
to
artists
and
organizations
working
under
one
roof
to
amplify
cultural
and
economic
opportunities
for
residents
wherever
Artscape
young
place
owners
do
not
qualify
for
this
subclass
since
opening
five
years
ago
that
building
has
seen
an
average
42%
increase
in
its
assessment
across
the
units.
The
IMET
rebate
has
been
essential
for
the
artists
and
organizational
owners
in
the
building
to
stabilize
their
operations
a
through
art
scape
young
place.
O
Artscape
Daniel's
Launchpad,
which
is
in
130
Queens
keyeast,
has
been
over
12
years
in
the
making,
including
research
program,
development
and
project
design
into
the
barriers
that
prevent
artists
and
creatives
from
living
from
their
practice
and
scaling
as
entrepreneurs.
It
is
now
open
and
I
just
lost
my
place.
O
We
have
created
over
30
new,
full
and
part-time
employment
positions
at
Artscape.
Daniel's
Launchpad
alone,
which
is
also
now
our
organizational
head
office
Launchpad,
currently
has
600
members
using
its
co-working
fabrication
and
digital
studios
and
multitude
more
in
its
training
and
educational
programs.
A
focus
of
Launchpad
are
people
leaving
University
and
all
of
the
resources
available
to
them.
At
the
exact
moment
they
need
to
launch
their
careers.
We
also
are
working
with
artists
and
creatives
from
Newcomer,
indigenous
and
marginalized
communities,
for
whom
bursaries
will
ensure
they
are
empowered
to
pursue
careers
in
arts
and
culture.
O
Currently,
our
monthly
property
tax
bill
is
$17,000.
Just
to
put
this
in
perspective.
That
means
we
need
200
members
just
to
pay
the
property
tax
bill.
If
the
Artscape
distillery
Studios
just
down
the
road
is
indicative,
that
bill
could
increase.
18
percent
annually
city
of
the
Arts
is
going
to
provide
a
permanent
home
for
some
of
the
most
important
nonprofits
building
capacity
and
creating
futures
in
the
creative
sector.
O
I'm
happy
to
be
here
with
some
of
my
friends
actually
Kiana
Eastman
from
Manifesta
was
here
and
she
had
a
family
emergency,
so
she
won't
be
able
to
join
us
project.
Remix
is
our
neighbor
and
pleased
that
Ahmed
Ishmael
from
house
is
in
the
house
house
is
a
new
incubator
for
young
creatives
who's,
a
direct
partner
in
Artscape,
Daniels
Launchpad
and
also
has
a
new
home
at
1:30
Queens
keyeast.
We
are
all
neighbors
and
along
with
OCAD
and
George
Brown
as
well.
O
I
O
I
O
No
rent,
there's
we
have
one
tenant
partner,
actually
who's
here,
which
is
a
house.
They
have
a
small
space
but
other
than
that.
No,
there
is
no
rent,
it
is
a
membership
model
where
people
pay
between
50
and
125
a
month
for
access
to
the
co-working
training
and
a
range
of
digital
and
fabrication
equipment.
So
it
is
truly
an
incubator
for
creatives.
So.
O
Are
a
number
of
production
studios
of
fashion
and
textile
woodworking
3d,
printing
electronics?
There
is
a
Digital
Media
Lab
that
has
a
full
range
of
equipment
recording
editing.
There
is
a
co-working
space,
there's
a
kind
of
a
collaboration
zone,
and
then
there
is
a
Learning
Center
where
creative
entrepreneurship
programs
are
taught
and.
O
I
O
I
There,
a
number
of
other
people
that
have
production
studios,
digital
media,
I'm,
gonna,
ask
the
staff,
when
they're
here
I,
guess
that
staff
is
here,
I,
don't
know
if
mr.
Williams
is
here
he's
supposed
to
be
here
this
morning.
Yes,
a
lot
of
that
that
why
that
would
qualify
and
how
long
would
qualify
for
versus
people
that
have
set
that
up
and
are
now
paying
commercial
property
tax,
so
I'll
ask
mr.
Williams
that
question
so
you
technically
you've
got
sixty
thousand
and
seventeen
thousand
and
does
that
pay
for
our
escape?
I
O
So
that
that
that
is,
that
is
gross
it.
Actually
it.
There
are
a
range
of
other
expenses,
including
the
the
the
staff
who
are
on
site
to
work
with
with
everybody.
There
is
a
mortgage
on
the
project
so
that
income
in
and
of
itself
does
not
actually
cover
the
expenses
of
providing
the
affordable
access.
I
O
A
G
The
chair
may
be
supplemented
by
economic
development.
I
don't
have
the
specifics
of
the
development
approval
in
front
of
me,
but
my
recollection
as
a
waterfront
project
and
not
unlike
other
projects,
is
that
there
was
a
section
37
community
benefit
package
with
this
site
that
included
portable
housing
and
I
believe
other
public
amenities
and
may
have
also
included
part
of
this
space.
But
I,
unfortunately,
can't
be
precise,
precise,
maybe.
I
I
I
G
Memory
through
the
speaker,
I
believe
they
complied
with
the
waterfront
requirements
for
either
20%
or
or
a
version
of
20%
that
was
negotiated
through
the
some.
Some
of
the
waterfront
projects
were
a
higher
percentage
of
bricks
and
mortar
versus
program.
So
I
don't
have
the
exact
percentage,
but
it
was
a.
It
was
in
accordance
with
the
waterfront,
affordable
housing,
delivery
program
and.
I
Q
Staff
who
was
intelligent
authority
to
me-
and
this
was
at
four
years
ago-
something
like
four
years
ago
and
it
was
originally
going
to
be
an
office
tower
and
then
at
a
point
in
the
process.
They
switched
their
business
model
to
a
condominium
office
model,
and
at
that
time
we
were
going
through
a
review
of
I
met
and
we
decided
that
we
would
put
the
condominium
issue
into
that
review.
Q
Q
I
Years,
okay,
and
how
about
just
tell
me
what's
happening
with
the
south
of
Eastern
in
this
whole
piece
its?
How
will
that
be?
How
will
that
council
amend
the
south
of
Eastern
Community,
Improvement
Plan
in
accordance
or
through
a
post
amendment?
That
was
your
last
question.
Fine,
but
just
like
answer
for
them.
Q
Sure
so
all
places
would
be
eligible
for
the
the
amended
condominium
guidelines
applied
to
the
iimit
program.
The
guidelines
used
to
have
a
more
restrictive
or
currently
have
a
more
restrictive
approach
to
which
was,
for
administrative
reasons
and
in
the
review
that
was
decided
that
that
was
no
longer
necessary
since
we
had
a
mechanism
to
get
around
the
administrative
challenges,
and
so
the
staff
recommended
council
approved
that
change
did
that
change.
Those
changes
are
still
under
appeal
and
review.
E
E
Thank
you
and
the
original
I
met
program
excluded
condominiums,
and
that
meant
that
any
new
types
of
commercial
development
that
we
may
be
seeing
specifically
in
in
sort
of
urban
growth
centers,
which
are
predominately
condominiums,
were
not
necessarily
always
building
all
new
office
towers
or
perhaps
from
medium
brownfields.
It
was
to
actually
unlock
those
new
real
estate
opportunities
to
facilitate
the
the
sectors
that
you
specifically
listed
in.
Your
first
answer
is
that
correct,
correct.
Q
E
And
just
to
clarify,
so
if
the
objective
of
the
I
met
program
is
specifically
to
foster
certain
sectors
that
we
believe
are
overall
good
for
the
labor
market,
forced
development,
good
for
the
economy.
This
is
where
we
want
to
grow.
Our
workforce
grow
the
the
the
high
value
paying
jobs
in
those
sectors.
Then
we
need
to
house
them
somewhere.
They
need
to
be
located
in
spaces
and
then
at
the
same
time,
because
there
are
opportunities
that
exist
in
commercial
condominium
office
style
ownership
that
were
originally
precluded
from
the
original
2008
IMF
program.
E
E
So
with
respect
to
the
financial
impact,
because
right
now
we're
only
dealing
with
one
specific
site,
but
as
it
as
as
there
are
new
condominium
ownership,
retail
/
commercial,
that
move
forward.
That
would
be
that
would
want
to
take
advantage
of
the
I'ma
program.
How
would
those
new
operators
be
affected
by
this,
or
will
they
so.
Q
If
they
are
committed
to
the
condo
ownership
model,
then
they
would
be.
More
of
them
would
be
eligible
for
this
program,
and
so
there
would
be
the
concomitant
increase
in
property
taxes,
with
a
grant
back
of
60
percent
of
that
in
the
first
ten
years
and
in
full
amounts
come
to
the
city.
After
that,
as
is
with
a
regular
program
and.
E
Q
E
Is
that
because
you're
you're
you're
driving
toward
that
bigger
outcome
in
terms
of
the
the
creation
of
jobs,
the
the
the
bolstering
of
a
particular
sector
that
we
want
to
see
bolstered
in
the
City
of
Toronto
is?
Is
that
one
of
the
considerations
as
driving
the
the
I
met
program
for
it
in
this
new
direction?
That's.
Q
E
O
E
Q
To
make
sure
that
the
uses
are
still
conforming,
that's
been
our
problem
on
some
previous
ones
that
were
condo
under
the
pilot
stage,
and
so,
if
you
don't
have
access,
you
don't
know.
If
they're
involved
they're
performing
the
use
that
was
approved,
we
now
have
a
mechanism
to
do
that
and
we
feel
it's
reliable
and
it's
not
at
a
cost
to
us.
So
an.
E
H
H
Q
H
What
we
normally
do
in
a
circumstance
like
this
is
sit
down
with
the
appellants
and
say
we
understand,
you
have
problem
with
ABCD
parts
of
what
we
proposed,
but
not
a
and
F.
Will
you
just
let
en
F
go?
Isn't
that
how
we
normally
would
do
it
and
that's
the
process,
that's
currently
underway
right.
So
why
do
we
need
this
report
because.
Q
H
H
We've
opted
to
go
this
right,
okay,
so
no
I've
stated
it
poorly.
We
had
something
in
force.
We
made
changes
to
it.
Those
changes
are
under
appeal.
We
haven't
settled
out
the
portion
of
the
changes
which
has
to
do
with
condominium
izing
so
in
in
in
law.
That's
currently
under
appeal.
Can
we
just
come
and
do
the
same
thing
again,
even
though
it's
under
appeal,
because
if
we
can
do
that,
I
got
all
kinds:
ideas,
I,.
J
H
Just
a
funny
little
question
here
is
the
midst
of
the
Daniels
group,
who
are
the
guys
who
are
under
so
who's
who's
the
proponent
on
the
site
we're
talking
about
here,
Daniels
Daniels:
are
they
appealing
our
IMET
program?
Are
they
among
the
group
of
people
who
are
okay?
Well,
that's
good
to
know,
okay,
this
one's
going
to
be
a
struggle
for
me
because
I
hate
the
I
met
program
with
the
burning
passion
of
a
white
hot
sunny.
How
much
money
does
the
city
for
gone
through
I
met
so
far.
Q
H
H
A
G
Can
just
supplement
to
mr.
Williams
that
we've
seen
the
recent
trend
of
commercial
office
condominiums,
for
example,
in
addition
to
130
Queens
key
seven,
st.
Thomas
and
135
Yorkville,
our
recent
examples
that
have
been
constructed
and
those
are
office,
boutique
office
kind
of,
and
then
there
are
some
industrial
examples
as
well
in
lease
side,
for
example
at
Markham,
Road
and
Passmore
in
Scarborough.
So
there
are
some.
These
are
emerge
and
emerging
kind
of
variation
that
we
believe
the
program
would
support
and.
Q
Q
Proposals
that
we
made
and
was
accepted
by
council,
unfortunately,
the
process
took
so
long
at
this
building.
That
was
a
proof
or
I'm.
It
wanted
to
change
its
ownership
structure.
We
thought
we
could
include
that
in
the
new
I'mot
review
process
and
we
did
not
anticipate
how
long
that
would
take.
Okay.
I
Q
I
Q
I
Q
I
Q
Q
I
Q
I
I
I
I
H
It's
built,
yes,
yep,
it's
built
and
it's
ready
to
open
its
open.
Yes,
so
so
the
story
here
is
Daniels
and
his
various
partners
went
ahead,
built
a
building
with
an
expectation
of
a
certain
kind
of
financial
incentive
from
the
city.
Now
that
once
they
built
it
and
operated,
they've
decided.
Oh,
the
business
model
doesn't
work
for
us,
so
you
have
to
change
your
incentives,
that's
sort
of
the
story
here,
no
okay,
so
how
did
it
get
built
and
open?
So.
Q
H
Q
They
proceeded
to
start
building
it
and
and
leasing,
and
then
they
decided,
because
there
are
a
number
of
people
that
approached
them,
that
wanted
to
own
the
space
that
there
was
better
for
them
to
switch
to
a
condominium
ownership
form
at
that
time
and
again,
the
building
is
not
even
I,
mean
I,
think
we're
still
in
foundation
stages.
They
came
to
the
city
and
we
explained
that
we
would
look
at
the
office
eligibility.
Q
H
What
they
understood
that
that
was
not
a
guarantee
that
you
know
you
got
those
kooky
city
councilors
who
might
do
something
with
it,
and
people
have
appeal
rights
and
all
of
that
right
I
mean
at
no
point
did
we
sign
a
piece
of
paper
saying:
go
ahead
and
build
your
building
based
on
the
fact
that
we're
gonna
give
you
money
on
being
able
to
condominium
eyes
these
units?
What
they
did
have
a
piece
of
paper
for
was
treating
them
as
Lisa's.
H
Q
That's
correct,
but
I
would,
from
my
own
personal
professional
perspective
and
in
conversations
with
the
local
councillor
at
the
time
and
through
the
process
we
are
going
through,
we
gave
very
strong
signals
that
we
would
be
recommending
and
it
would
be
likely,
but
not
you
know,
guarantee
I
agree
with
that,
counselor
that
the
form
of
ownership
item
would
go
forward
and
we
thought
it
would
get
resolved
in
time.
No.
Q
H
Q
C
I
could
add
some
additional
light
to
the
matter.
I
view.
This
is
a
very
technical
amendment.
Council
in
end
2018
made
a
decision
about
the
I
met
program.
The
bylaw
was
appealed.
The
port
of
the
bylaw
that
wasn't
appealed
is
the
part
that's
before
you
now.
So
if
we
had
a
board
hearing
an
L
pad
hearing,
we
wouldn't
need
to
facilitate
this
by
law.
In
the
absence
of
having
a
hearing,
we've
had
a
pre-hearing.
C
C
H
Perks
so
I
understand
the
dilemma
here
and
I
understand
why
you
know
that
in
this
instance,
Artscape
has
been
caught
by
a
very
arbitrary
process
involving
appeals
for
other
issues
than
the
one
that
they're
dealing
with
I
also
understand
that
the
daniels
group
would
never
start
building
a
building
with
a
the
financing
legally
signed
off.
Without
the
zoning
legally
signed
off
well
I.
Don't
understand
why
a
public
incentive
should
be
treated
as
as
something
they
have
in
hand
when
it
hasn't
been
legally
signed
off.
H
The
Daniels
corporation
would
never
accept
any
other
part
of
what
they
needed
to
do
to
get
in
a
building
under
way
being
on
a
lickin
or
prayer
they
just
wouldn't
they
would
want
it
all
signed
off.
They
would
want
any
easements
they
needed
from
their
neighbors
signed
off.
They
would
want
site
plans
signed
off
I.
Don't
understand
why
we,
the
public
sector,
have
to
rush
to
find
a
way
to
change
our
rules
to
give
them
money
I,
so
I,
just
can't
I
just
can't
support
it.
H
E
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
the
deputation
Thank
You
staff
for
for
patiently
answering
our
question.
I
do
recognize
that
this
is
a
very
technical
matter.
I
appreciate
the
the
comments
of
councilor
perks,
and
certainly
we
don't
want
to
get
into
a
too
common
of
a
practice
of
subsidizing,
a
for-profit
enterprise
with
with
public
dollars,
especially
when
and
especially
when
we
can
actually
be
collecting
those
tax
revenues
and
and
investing
them
in
the
services
that
we
do
need
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
E
I,
do
think,
based
on
this
report
and
based
on
the
questions,
the
answers
from
staff
is
that
this
is.
This
is
somewhat
different.
The
the
Daniels
corporation
and
you
know,
I'm
just
starting
to
get
to
know
them
in
Regent
Park
prior
to
that
I
had
very
little
to
any
dealings
with
them
in
the
the
most
development
heavy
award
in
in
the
city
and
I
was
for
27,
formerly
the
the
small
bits
that
I
do
know
about
this.
E
This
particular
item
is
that
any
of
the
Commercial
Taxes
any
of
those
those
property
taxes
would
be
passed
through
directly
to
the
to
the
operator,
regardless
and
I.
Think
that's
important
to
note
it's
so
what
this
will
in
some
ways
in
in.
In
my
opinion,
it
won't
matter
to
Daniel's,
because
quite
honestly
that
would
just
be
passed
through,
regardless
of
who
the
operator
is.
In
this
case
the
operator
is
Artscape.
It
is
in
partnership
with
house.
E
They
are
trying
to
lift
something
quite
extraordinary
off
the
waterfront,
an
area
that
has
largely
seen
not
a
lot
of
media
arts,
digital
Creative
Technology.
It
certainly
hasn't
seen.
Music
I,
know
that
and
that's
what's
so
unique
about
this
project
sitting
right
at
the
foot
of
Jarvis
and
queens
key.
Is
that
that's
specifically
what
I
believe
that
neighborhood
does
need
it's
part
of
the
overall
vision
and
plan,
especially
as
we're
starting
to
see
the
campus
of
universities
and
colleges
all
expand
down
there?
E
The
fact
that
they've
got
600
plus
unique
operators,
who
are
all
small
enterprise
operators
trying
to
scale
up
and
size
up
their
skills-
and
you
know
their
ambitions-
are
to
go
global.
And
so
it's
not
necessarily
keeping
this
as
a
small
operation
and
from
that
perspective,
that
serves
a
lot
of
City
objectives
as
as
I
see
it.
E
And
that's
what
I
believe
this
report
does
it
doesn't
really
open
up
a
heck
of
a
lot
more
right
now,
that's
for
future
conversation
as
noted,
but
the
immediate
impact
will
be
felt
by
not
just
Artscape,
but
the
600
members
that
you
happen
to
I
believe
signed
up
and,
and
those
are
the
costs
that
will
be
passed
through
to
them
and
I
know
for
the
small
business
entrepreneurs
that
are
going
into
those
spaces.
Many
of
them
are
coming
from
racialized
communities.
E
I
I
This
is
part
of
the
central
waterfront
East
Bay
front,
precinct
community
improvement
plan
and
with
that
I
think
that
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
clear
deliverables
when
we
offer
in
design
it's-
and
we
know
we
got
into
a
bit
of
a
tussle
and
turned
down
I
forget
how
much
it
was.
Four
hundred
million
dollars
worth
of
imets
counsel
did
that
were
going
to
be
offered
which
council
felt
shouldn't
be
offered.
I
So
I
guess
because
of
that
we're
having
a
longer
discussion
about
I
met,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
delivering
it
in
a
way.
That's
fair
and
needed,
and
I
certainly
understand
art
escapes
requirements,
I'm
wondering
who
everybody
else
is
that's
getting
one,
and
whether
or
not
this
will
roll
out
across
the
waterfront
in
other
zones,
but
and
also
I
wish
to
know
how
many
people
from
tests
or
test
clients
are
members
of
this
and
I
certainly
think
that
that
should
be
an
easy
answer.
I
So
I
don't
want
to
be
giving
10
years
of
property
tax
commercial
property
tax
relief,
if
there's
any
doubt
that
won't
be
affordable
for
the
people
that
are
there
that
need
this
kind
of
startup
and
initial
business
startup
for
their
creative
industries.
Thanks
and
I'll
ask
about
that
at
Council
too
so
I'm,
just
letting
everybody
know
what
my
questions
are
going
to
be,
so
you
can
have
them
all
well
researched.
Thank.
P
A
The
next
item
is
a
presentation
to
run
our
Employment
Survey.
Does
the
committee
want
to
break
now
for
lunch
and
come
back
with
the
presentation?
Is
that
okay?
Okay?
So
we'll
start
with
a
new
item
after
lunch
with
three
point
four
and
the
presentation
from
staff
on
Toronto
Employment
Survey.
Thank
you.