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Public Works and Infrastructure Committee, meeting 24, October 18, 2017 - Par 1 of 2
Agenda and background materials:
http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/decisionBodyProfile.do?function=doPrepare&meetingId=11899
Part 2 of 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um9FeoJ70HA#t=10m26s
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0:13:47 - Call to order
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Cue
meritorious,
we
really
appreciate
you
being
here
to
help
us
get
over
this
hurdle.
Hopefully,
you'll
only
have
to
be
here
a
couple
of
minutes
because
we
appreciate
how
busy
you
are.
Okay,
welcome
everyone
happy
to
see
a
full
house
today.
We've
got
the
mayor
with
us
here
just
temporarily
to
ensure
that
we
don't
lose
quorum
and
that
we
can
move
ahead
with
our
meeting.
B
So
I'd
like
to
call
the
meeting
officially
to
order
it's
the
Public,
Works
and
Infrastructure
Committee
meeting
and
I
want
to
welcome
our
committee
members,
especially
maher
tori
and
visiting
committee
members.
We
have
nine
big
items
on
today's
agenda
and,
if
you're
in
the
room
with
us,
the
screens
at
the
back
of
the
room,
provide
real-time
updates
about
where
we
are
in
the
agenda
and
what's
coming
up
next
for
those
watching
online,
you
can
follow
the
agenda
and
debate
on
your
computer
tablet
or
smartphone
at
www.seannal.com.
B
Flicked
of
interest
Act,
seeing
none
I'll
move
to
confirmation
of
the
minutes.
It
could
I
have
someone
to
move
the
minutes
from
our
last
meeting,
councilor
Holliday,
all
in
favor
carried
okay.
Now
we're
gonna
run
through
the
agenda
very
quickly,
and
we
have
deputations
several
on
some
of
these
items
before
us.
Meritor
being
here,
you
can
actually
go
on
with
your
your
real
business,
because
we've
got
our
counselor
here
now,
so
we've
got
quorum.
B
Absolutely
it
is,
but
he's
got
real
real
business.
Okay,
so
we're
gonna
run
through
the
agenda
very
quickly.
We're
we've
got
a
lot
of
people
who
would
like
to
have
our
ear
today.
As
you
can
see
the
agenda,
the
deputation
list
is
very
lengthy
right
now
we're
looking
at
about
eight
to
nine
hours,
so
we
need
to
move
quickly
as
quickly
as
we
can,
but
also
give
these
items
their
their
day
in
the
light.
You've
got
some
okay.
B
It
said
maybe
you'd
like
to
move
that
or
hold
that
item
councillor.
Carmichael
Grubb
is
moving
that
item
all
in
favor
that
is
moved
P,
W,
24.2
utility
locate,
cuts
for
business
improvement
areas
as
required
by
the
Ontario
underground
infrastructure
nomination
act.
I
will
I
will
move
to
adopt
that?
Yes,
just.
C
B
B
There's
speakers
for
that
item,
so
I
will
hold
that
in
my
name.
I
also
would
like
to
say
a
few
words
of
thanks
to
staff
on
this,
because
I
think
it's
a
great
news
story:
PW
24.5
speed
limit
on
Bayview
Avenue
from
pottery
Road
northerly
intersection
to
River
Street
ramp
I
understand
we
have
a
quick
amendment
on
this
councillor
holiday.
D
B
Thank
you.
The
next
item
is
green
streets,
technical
guidelines.
This
is
PW
24.6.
There's
speakers
on
this
item,
so
I
will
hold
that
in
my
name
and
PW
24.7
preparing
Toronto
for
electric
vehicles,
there's
a
hold
on
that
as
well.
Speakers
on
that
item
also
an
exciting
item.
I
think
PW
24.8,
fret,
Freight
and
goods
movement
strategy
framework
we'd
like
to
move
to
adopt
that.
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
speakers,
Thank,
You,
councillor,
Lee,
PW,
24.9,
Bloor,
Street,
West,
bike,
lane
pilot
project
evaluation-
that
is
I,
got
a
lot
of
speakers
yeah.
C
C
Speakers
are
that
who
have
not
pre-registered
be
allowed
to
register
to
speak
for
item
P,
W
24.9
until
10:00
a.m.
on
October,
the
18th,
which
is
today
after
which
no
further
registration
is
allowed
and
speakers.
The
list
will
be
closed
at
the
length
of
public
presentations,
be
limited
to
three
minutes.
The
questions
of
speakers
by
members
of
council
be
limited
to
three
minutes
as
well,
with
run
round
of
questions
per
member
and
I
move
these
just
to
just
to
expedite
the
process
as
well.
B
We
have
a
motion
before
us.
We
also
have
a
motion
that
is
not
before
us
suggesting
we
move
this
item
to
the
top
of
the
agenda.
I
will
just
I
will
just
advise
the
committee
that
you
have
you
see
that
we
have
PW
24.4,
PW,
24.6,
PW,
24,
point
seven
and
eight
all
have
speakers
on
those
items,
including
PW
24.9.
So
there
are
four
sets
of
speakers
on
the
other
items.
B
C
Do
madam
chair,
the
logic
for
me
is
this
is
a
very
contentious
issue
and
it's
not
fair
to
the
citizens
of
Toronto
to
have
to
watch
until
midnight
on
this
issue
in
terms
of
what
this
committee
wants
to
do
with
it,
we
should
be
dealing
with
it
first,
so
that
people
can
can
watch
and
see
what's
happening
as
opposed
to
what
I
think
is.
Maybe
the
agenda
here
and
that's
to
kind
of
hide
it
from
the
rest
of
the
city,
Toronto.
A
B
So
I'm,
just
being
advised
by
by
the
clerk
that
we
that
emotions
but
been
put
forward
to
adopt
the
agenda
with
this
with
this
modification
to
change
the
order
of
the
agenda,
so
she's
asking
me
to
actually
state
that
and
then
have
a
vote
on
it.
Unless
the
committee
has
anything
to
say
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
go
straight
to
a
vote.
Councillor
Lee
I,.
E
Will
not
be
worrying
to
move
this
item
to
the
top
because
the
others
speakers
have
to
wait
until
midnight
on
the
other
items.
You
know
if
if
this
is
important,
then
they
have
to
stay
on
the
midnight,
but
that's
the
last
item
or
agenda,
but
the
other
speakers
are
very
few
in
you
know
so.
I
think
it's
important
to
deal
with
the
other
person
come
and
leave
this
just
a
loss.
I
won't
be
awarding
to
a
movie
so
time.
Okay,.
B
A
B
Okay,
so
we
have,
the
motion
in
front
of
us
is
well
I,
think
it's
already
been
described,
but
we
were
cutting
off
the
speaker
list
at
10:00
a.m.
which
is
usual
course
and
we're
limiting
the
presentations
to
three
minutes
and
also
the
questions
of
the
president
of
the
presenters,
all
those
in
favor
that
carries
unanimously.
B
Thank
you
very
much
I.
Also
before
we
just
delve
into
our
first
time.
I
I
have
some
good
news
from
the
waste
management
group
and
I
want
to
share
with
you
these
beautiful
awards
that
have
been
won
by
our
division
that
we
we
represent.
So
I
just
want
to
take
two
minutes
to
say
how
proud
we
are
to
announce
that
the
city
is
recently
recognized
on
the
international
stage,
not
local,
not
national,
but
international
stage
for
innovation
in
solid
waste
management.
B
This
year
the
city
was
honored
with
two
solid
waste
Association
of
North
America
Excellence
Awards.
These
prestigious
awards
recognize
outstanding,
solid
waste
programs
and
facilities
that
advance
the
practice
of
environmental
and
economic
Lee,
sound,
solid
waste
management
and
demonstrate
effective
use
of
technologies.
B
The
city
won
a
gold
award
in
the
integrated,
solid
waste
management
system,
category
for
the
long-term
waste
management
strategy,
an
important
roadmap
that
will
guide
waste
management
in
Toronto
over
the
next
30
to
50
years,
a
bronze
award
in
the
land
field
management
category
for
Green
Lane
landfill,
the
city's
state-of-the-art
facility
that
uses
innovative
technologies
to
provide
staff;
I'm,
sorry,
safe,
Nut
staff,
I'm
thinking
about
staff
and
how
amazing
their
to
provide
safe,
effective
and
is
environmentally
sustainable,
disposable
of
Toronto's
residual
waste.
So
I
want
to
congratulate
our
solid
waste
staff.
B
Our
team
I
can't
say
enough
about
this
group,
they're
so
passionate
and
committed
to
what
they
do
and
you
don't
always
see
that
it's
not
necessarily
visible
because
they're
behind
the
scenes,
but
I
have
to
say
this.
This
division
is
really
they
are
excellent
and
they
deserve
these
awards.
So
congratulations
to
them.
B
Okay,
upward
and
onward
so
we're
gonna
start
with
our
first
item.
Just
before
that
I
do
want
to
recognize.
We
lost
a
Canadian
icon
and
I
I.
Think
everybody
were
all
grief
stricken
by
this
loss
across
our
nation
and
I
hope
that
all
of
us
and
I
know
all
of
us
will
keep
his
family
Gord
Downey's
family
in
our
hearts
today
and
forever.
I
hope
so.
B
I
just
wanted
to
make
mention
too
that
we're
now
meant
we're
now
going
to
be
moving
to
our
first
item,
which
is
24.4,
improving
accountability
in
the
utility
cut
process,
and
we
have
a
couple
speakers
on
that
if
they
could
come
forward,
so
the
first
speaker
is
Hamish
Wilson.
No,
it's
not
it's!
Kathy
McDonald,
it's
Kathy,
McDonald
and
two
more
have
been
added.
Mit
and
VN
will
follow
Kathy.
Are
you
going
to
do
it
together?
Oh
excellent?
B
F
We
we
will
opt
endeavour
to
keep
this
within
shorter
than
our
15
combined
minutes,
and
we
have
some
posters
that
we
have
given
you
that
I
hope
you
all
have
and
we're
hoping
that
those
will
go
on
your
on
your
walls
of
your
offices,
to
remind
you
of
what
is
happening
to
our
public
space
in
our
public
streets.
We're
really
here
today,
and
we
thank
you
for
listening
to
us
on
this
busy
day,
to
ask
you
for
a
deferral
of
the
universal
equipment
guidelines
that
are
before
you
for
confer
approval
today.
F
And
the
reason
for
that
is
that
we
in
July
met
with
Barbara
gray,
Greg
Lynn
turn
councillor
Wong
cam
and
a
number
of
senior
staff,
including
the
senior
director
of
transportation
services.
We
had
what
we
thought
was
a
very
productive
meeting
to
discuss
the
issues
that
we
have
with
the
many
public
utilities
that
are
appearing
on
our
sidewalks
and
in
our
parks
or
beside
our
parks,
and
we
thought
we
had
a
cooperative
dialogue
going
and
we're
promised
that
we
would
be
able
to
review
these
guidelines
with
staff
before
they
were
presented
to
you
for
approval.
F
As
you
can
appreciate,
they're
quite
complicated
and
complex,
and
we
were
quite
shocked
to
see
that
they
were
actually
on
this
agenda
and
that
we
have
not
seen
them
so
we
are,
we
have
attempted
in
Leon
is
going
to
go
over
some
of
her
specific
concerns
that
we
found
so
far,
but
we
are
asking
that
this
item
be
for
being
deferred
for
a
wat
one
month.
Councillor
Wong
Tam
has
kindly
already
scheduled
a
meeting
with
staff
and
with
MS
gray,
to
go
over
them,
but
we
will.
F
We
will
tell
you
a
little
bit
more
details
about
why.
If
you
look
at
that
poster
in
front
of
you
at
the
top
the
top
right
corner,
you
will
see
a
picture
postcard
view
of
the
church
at
Linton
Park.
It's
a
beautiful
church
directly
across
the
street,
from
a
heritage
home
and
the
the
box
that
has
that
you
can
see
in
front
of
it
is
approximately
about
19
feet
wide
with
the
with
the
Bullards,
the
protective
bollards
that
are
there.
F
F
There's
two
pictures
of
it:
actually
one
a
before
picture
and
the
other
actor.
So
you
can
clearly
see
the
problems
that
these
are
creating
the
other.
The
other
pictures
in
front
of
you
are
installations
near
the
corner
of
Bloor
and
Yonge,
and
on
Charles
Street
between
Jung
and
Avenue
Road,
right
in
the
middle
of
our
Yorkville
sidewalks
and
they're
massive.
Now
we
feel
that
this
should
stop
and
we
have
to
find
a
way
and
we
think
there
are
ways
to
ensure
this
does
not
continue
so
I'll.
G
Good
morning,
councillors,
okay,
so
we've
reviewed
the
guidelines
and
we
have
found
that
they
are
confusing
and
inconsistent.
We
have
written
specific
comments
on
the
provision
and
we
filed
them
with
you,
so
you
should
have
them
well,
the
objectives
stated
in
the
guidelines
are
good
ones.
The
actual
guidelines
do
not
appear
to
address
the
objectives.
G
For
example,
the
stated
objectives
contain
the
following
statements:
to
define
the
best
practice
for
placement
patterns
and
various
techniques
to
best
disguise
or
bury
above-ground
plant
to
provide
minimal
visual
impact
and
further,
it
goes
on
to
say,
to
develop
better
practices
to
reduce
the
amount
impact
and
necessity
of
above-ground
plant.
We
fail
to
see
anything
in
the
guidelines
that
requires
proposed
above-ground
plant
to
be
buried,
or
that
reduces
the
amount
or
necessity
of
such
plans.
G
In
fact,
the
municipal
consent
requirements
provide
that
applications
are
drawings
that
include
proposed
above-ground
plan
and
shall
include
an
explanation
of
the
reason
why
this
plant
cannot
be
installed
below
ground.
The
guidelines
which
are
supposed
to
be
supplemental
to
the
M
CRS
say
only.
It
is
preferred
that
all
equipment
installations
be
below
ground
grade
level,
so
this
seems
to
actually
weaken
the
language
in
the
MCR
as
opposed
to
strengthening
it
or
clarifying
it.
The
M
CRS
provide
that-
and
this
is
a
specific
quote
in
general.
G
More
scrutiny
will
be
used
in
reviewing
applications
to
install
above-ground
plant
on
major
or
minor
arterial
streets
or
within
the
downtown
central
area,
as
defined
in
the
Toronto
Official
Plan.
The
guidelines
do
not
adequately
deal
with
the
downtown
or
Midtown
or
other
areas
where
property
Lots
are
generally
smaller
denser,
and
there
are
no
boulevards
between
the
sidewalk
and
Street.
We
believe
the
guidelines
should
deal
with
such
Lots
in
considering
the
placement
of
above-ground
installations.
G
G
The
guidelines
do
specify
on
page
six
under
general
placement
practices,
but
no
above-ground
plant
will
be
placed
in
a
manner
which
is
in
plain
sight
of
a
window
window
displayed
or
unless
the
owner
or
occupant
provides
written
consent.
We
believe
that
this
concept
is
a
good
one,
but
must
apply
to
properties
that
are
a
Jay
sent
beside
and
across
the
street
from
the
installation,
especially
where
lots
are
small
and
densely
occupied
areas.
G
Our
concern
is
that,
on
page
8
of
the
guidelines,
the
concurrence
sign-off
in
respect
of
an
above-ground
plant
is
only
required
from
an
adjacent
property
owner
where
the
plant
is
fronting
the
property
and
not
on
the
side
of
the
property
or
opposite
the
property.
Even
the
notification
provisions
are
not
broad
enough.
On
page
8
of
the
guidelines,
only
the
adjacent
property
owner
is
required
to
be
notified,
although
in
the
paragraph
just
above
it
says
quote,
all
affected
residences
should
be
notified.
This
is
another
area
where
the
MC
RS
are
stronger
than
the
guidelines.
G
The
municipal
consent
requirements
specifically
say
the
applicant
shall
provide
written
notification
to
all
adjacent
properties
and
all
properties
that
will
face
or
will
have
a
line
of
sight
to
the
proposed
plan.
So
the
guidelines
are
inconsistent
with
municipal
consent
regulations
on
page
11
of
the
guidelines
under
design
placement
considerations.
It
says
that
large-scale
above-ground
structures
must
be
placed
on
a
flanking
street
for
residential
property
in
the
downtown
and
installation
on
a
flanking
street
may
in
fact
be
even
closer
to
a
residence.
This
guideline
obviously
doesn't
take
into
consideration
smaller
Lots
and
denser
neighborhoods.
G
This
is
also
a
problem
in
densely
populated
mixed
used
areas.
The
provisions
dealing
with
parks
on
page
12
talks
about
placement
in
parks
and
when
a
park
supervisor
must
be
notified.
Among
other
things,
we
feel
that
above-ground
installations
should
not
be
in
smoke
installed
in
smaller
parks,
and
there
should
be
a
requirement
for
the
park
supervisor,
the
councilor
and
local
residents
associations
to
sign
off
before
any
such
installation
is
approved.
G
As
you
can
see,
we
have
outlined
some
of
the
inconsistencies
with
the
guidelines
both
internally
and
with
the
municipal
consent
requirements.
There
are
more
that
we
have
not
covered,
we
do
not
believe
they
properly
sitter,
dense
neighborhoods
with
smaller
Lots
or
adequately
address
the
effect
of
these
various
large
installations
on
our
busy
sidewalks
in
commercial
areas.
We
are
therefore
asking
for
a
deferral
of
consideration
of
these
guidelines.
A
Kathy
McDonald
I'm
here
representing
mantra
in
the
co-chair
of
Federation
of
North
Toronto
residents
Association.
We
have
discussed
the
issues
of
the
above
grade
installations
and
participated
in
discussions
with
the
city
about
how
to
develop
guidelines
that
will
protect
our
streets
and
parks
and
are
certainly
happy
to
participate
in
further
discussions
to
make
this
work.
We
strongly
support
the
deferral
today.
Thank
you
very.
B
A
H
B
You
very
much
I'll
also
ask
a
similar
question
because
we
have
a
motion
before
us
to
actually
move
it
forward,
but
to
identify
the
the
organizations
that
would
like
to
be
consulted,
so
I
think
counselor
holidays,
moving
emotion
to
move
it
forward,
but
asking
staff
to
consult
with
the
the
parties
that
are
in
the
room
today
and
others
to
address
some
of
their
concerns.
Is
that
agreeable?
Yes,.
D
I
know,
in
particular
my
part
of
the
city
as
well
and
I.
Think
a
lot
of
councillors
see
this
as
a
long
time
coming
with
these
guidelines
and
we're
really
supportive
of
them.
I
think
they're
going
to
be
a
big
help
on
the
city,
so
we
want
to
keep
them
moving,
but
we
also
appreciate
the
input
that
you
have
and,
if
there's
any
fine-tuning
that
can
be
done
between
now
and
council,
everyone's
paying
attention.
Well,
we.
B
B
Think
people
are
tired
of
seeing
dark,
gray
matter
that
is
hard
to
traverse
and
aesthetically.
It's
I'm,
pleasing
and
I'm
sure
people
with
mobility
issues
struggle
with
it
at
times
so
I'm
happy
to
see
I'm
happy
to
see
this
addressed
and
I.
Think
residents
across
the
city
will
will
be
cheering
for
this,
see
that
we're
fast
tracking
the
repairs.
B
So
on
that
note,
we
have
a
motion
before
us.
It's
up
on
the
screen
and
all
those
in
favor
against
that
carries
we're
next.
I'm
is
PW
item
as
amended
I'm.
Sorry
I
forgot
that
part.
Oh,
we
got
a
full
house
on
that
one
so
item
as
amended,
and
it
now
carries
okay
now
we're
on
to
PW
24.6
Green
Streets
technical
guidelines,
Hamish
you're
up
first
and
then
Karen
buck
and
then
Darnell
after
that
you've
got
five
minutes.
That's.
I
A
good
morning
in
some
ways,
even
though
it's
a
laudable
report
it
feels
like
this
is
a
bit
of
a
green
wash,
because
the
Darla
direly
needed
environmental
sustainability
is
not
going
to
occur
by
rebuilding
all
of
our
streets
and
roads
to
a
different
set
of
standards.
The
greening
of
our
roads
and
streets
will
only
really
come
by
figuring
out
how
to
adapt
what
we've
already
got
in
place
and
to
change
its
function,
to
transit,
biking
and
foliage
and
walking
for
their
foliage
being
for
cooling
and
for
rain
absorption.
I
So
absolutely
it's
good
work
to
be
thinking
about
how
we
can
green
our
streets,
but
to
actually
really
green
them.
We
cannot
replace
everything
that
we've
got.
We've
got
to
adapt,
we've
got
to
apply
the
3
R's
the
reduce
and
reuse
not
reduced
to
rubble
and
haul
it
away.
We've
got
to
really
think
how
we
can
green
our
existing
roads.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
would
be
really
helpful
is
actually
figuring
out
how
much
concrete
is
used
each
year
in
our
road
system.
I
We
don't
have
a
clue,
we're
not
interested
in
figuring
out
how
much
concrete
is
actually
used
within
the
city
and
it's
a
very
important
thing
for
our
greenhouse
gas
profile
as
well,
because,
as
you
make
concrete,
there's
a
need
for
cement.
Cement
requires
the
burning
of
limestone,
so
there's
an
extra
amount
of
carbon
dioxide
emission
from
the
any
use
of
cement
and
concrete,
and
it's
substantial.
So
how
much
tonnage
do
we
use
each
year
in
our
roads
and
sidewalks
and
city
projects?
You
don't
have
a
clue
and
quite
honestly,
I,
don't
think.
I
I
We've
got
to
actually
think
about
the
energy
that's
used
in
extracting
it
and
hauling
it
to
our
city,
the
whole
embodied
energy
and
the
resource
of
our
existing
road
system,
as
well
as
really
substantial,
and
we
we
sometimes
look
at
the
operating
energy
in
the
operating
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
but
not
so
much
the
capital,
energy
and
the
capital,
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
that's
a
significant
oversight.
The
new
greenhouse
gas
accounting
standards
actually
miss
concrete
as
well.
So
that's
that's
really
really
not
okay.
So
how
do
we
green
our
existing
roads?
I
I
That'd
be
an
excellent
way
of
actually
greening
our
roads
in
some
areas,
for
instance,
on
this
portion
of
Davenport
into
DuPont
here,
I
think
it
should
be
yellow
paint
because
it's
a
substandard
bike
lane
just
to
mark
it
up
a
little
bit
more
and
when
we
get
into
nasty
things
like
this,
this
is
on
College
Street,
maybe
two
summers
ago.
We
need
some
green
paint
to
mark
the
crossing
over
entries
and
exits.
I
do
hope,
whoever
the
cyclist
was
survived.
All
of
this.
I
This
was
really
nasty,
but
that'd
be
a
great
thing
to
do
in
terms
of
actually
having
extra
green
paint
and
greening
our
roads.
Green
bike
lanes
are
good
as
well
and
we'd,
be
loved,
eat,
lovely
to
see
them
in
Scarborough,
not
just
on
Bloor,
going
back
to
other
issues
of
biking
and
greening
our
roads.
How
to
absorb
the
water
having
ponding
and
freeze-thaw
cycle
on
and
in
gutters
and
bike
lanes
is
not
okay
at
a
certain
point
in
time.
I
So
that's
why
we
give
we're
given
extra
width
to
make
sure
that
we
actually
have
that
space
to
avoid
these
puddles,
but
in
other
areas,
is
an
old
old
picture.
This
is
actually
really
deadly
dangerous
in
the
Yonge
Street
underpass,
there's
seepage
just
under
the
tracks
coming
downhill,
there's
seepage
from
the
escarpment
of
the
ground
water
out
through
the
under
the
rail
tracks,
so
that
you
can
get
a
real
mound
of
ice.
So
you
don't
see
it
that
sort
of
thing
is
not
okay.
I
We
need
to
make
sure
that
there
are
actually
symbols
on
the
road
to
allow
us
to
take
the
take.
The
lane
did.
I
have
a
picture
of
yes,
so
one
of
the
things
that's
done
elsewhere,
speaking
of
green,
when
they
do
a
share
--all,
they
actually
put
the
the
green
paint
around
it.
Put
the
bike
symbol
in
in
a
box.
This
is
in
Burlington.
I
This
is
a
really
good
example
in
some
ways
that
we
we
could
do
a
lot
more
with
simple
paint
to
make
the
growth
safer
and
greener
for
cyclists
and
in
terms
of
going
on
a
road
diet
as
well
in
terms
of
the
reduce
option,
a
lower
speed
limit
would
actually
be
very
helpful.
This
is
a
wonderful
image
from
spacing
magazine
that
shows
the
road
consumption
per
mode
and
yes,
I'm,
just
the
the
consumption
of
the
public
road
space
by
speeding
vehicles.
I
J
J
So,
thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair
I.
Definitely
would
laud
the
staffs
effort
in
pulling
together
the
Green
Streets
guidelines.
What
I'm
here
to
speak
about
today
is
a
small
matter
just
in
terms
of
best
practice,
which
is
not
being
so
much
incorporated
into
the
guidelines.
Mostly.
This,
of
course,
applies
to
our
suburban
avenues,
that
being
the
general
blind
spot
with
with
trucks.
J
So,
of
course,
we
have
a
lot
of
these
going
on
Finch
and
a
lot
of
those
going
across
our
suburbs
in
employment
areas
and
as
a
result,
really
what
you
have
is
most
of
the
people
on
the
side
of
the
road.
However,
they're
moving
are
in
fact
in
the
blind
spot
of
a
massive
multi.
You
know
multi-ton
vehicle,
so
usually,
of
course,
when
we
speak
about
mobility
on
streets,
we
speak
about
people
walking.
We
speak
about
people
getting
around.
However,
you
know
it's
not
nearly
dual
as
that.
J
This
is
a
more
honest
reality
of
what
actually
happens
in
our
streets
and
as
Madame
chair
noticed
last
year
during
the
accessibility
debate
that
was
held
here
at
City
Hall.
There
are
often
people
with
mobility
scooters,
a
lot
of
them
that
use
our
streets
that
go
down,
usually
use
the
roads.
They
can't
use
a
sidewalk
because
there's
no
suspension
on
those
mobility
vehicles
that
are
used
very
often
in
your
quest
and
use
very
often
and
don't
value
in
Etobicoke.
J
You
know,
I've
met
them
myself
and
really
the
issue
especially
there
for
them
is
the
sidewalks
have
a
lot
of
cracks.
The
end
result
is
that
every
single
half
second
jars
their
spine.
So
very
it's
very
important,
therefore,
that
there
is
a
pathway.
Now
there
is
a
best
practice
related
to
this.
That
also
makes
more
efficient
use
of
road
space,
while
actually
protecting
taxpayers,
reducing
the
cost
of
maintained
maintenance,
and
this
would
be
this
particular
best
practice
which
is
not
listed
in
the
in
the
green
through
its
guidelines
effectively.
J
What
you
do
is,
instead
of
having
a
barrier,
you
know
empty
space.
You
would
instead
have
your
your
green
area,
which
you
can
plant
a
tree
in,
for
example,
or
other
things,
but
also
serves
as
your
stormwater
collection.
The
other
benefit
of
something
like
this.
Is
it
drains?
Well,
so
at
no
point
during
a
storm,
do
you
have
a
plastic
bag
as
often
happens,
running
into
a
drain,
and
then
your
entire
sewer
system
is
effectively
dead.
This
way
this
does
not
get
swamped.
J
It
takes
a
lot
more
water
saves
a
lot
more
money
because
you
don't
have
water
unnecessarily
flowing
through
the
water
treatment
plants,
so
this
in
fact
makes
much
better
way
of
dealing
with
mobile.
You
know
not
really
bike
infrastructure,
but
mobility
infrastructure
to
allow
people
to
get
through.
So
you
have
your
stormwater
planters,
you
have
your
pathway
and
then
you
have
your
sidewalk.
So
there's
no
reason
why,
when
we're
talking
about
street
reconstruction,
this
is
not
included
as
best
practice.
This
particular
picture
is
from
Indianapolis.
J
C
Worked?
Okay,
so
are
you
aware
that
that,
with
some
real
pressure,
even
though
in
your
quest,
the
the
the
LRT
is
not
wanted,
there's
been
some
real
dialogue
on
getting
Metrolinx
to
change
the
scope
of
their
bicycle
paths
along
Finch,
Avenue,
they're,
widening
the
road
now
and
the
bike
lanes
that
they
have
proposed
are
now
off
of
the
road?
Are
you
aware
of
that
I'm
aware
of
that?
So
is
there
a
reason
why
you
didn't
mention
that
and
use
finches
as
a
negative
on
this?
No.
J
No
I
didn't
I,
didn't
I,
wasn't
using
I
wasn't
using
Finch
as
a
negative
I
was
simply
speaking
to
the
reality.
People
along
the
road,
the
situation
with
the
Metrolink
suggestion,
for
example,
is
it
still
puts
all
of
these
people
in
the
blind
spot
of
the
trucks
that
are
very
common
over
there?
Right,
though,
but.
C
In
the
community
itself,
there
is
a
huge
movement
to
take
those
people
that
you
were
talking
about
and
bring
them
down
the
humber
to
the
downtown
part
of
the
city
through
the
much
safer
venue
which
is
the
Humber
River,
as
well
as
the
hydro
corridor,
wouldn't
that
be
better
than
using
using
the
roads
and
making
it
unsafe
for
those
that
want
to
ride
a
bike.
It's.
J
It's
more
than
just
people
who
want
to
ride
a
bike
because,
of
course,
there's
people
of
mobility,
scooters
and
the
ravine
system
is
only
suitable
for
certain
times
of
the
year.
But,
as
you
know,
of
course,
many
people
in
the
community
make
use
of
the
businesses
and
places
along
the
road
where
they
both
live
and
work
and
regularly
shop.
J
C
J
Saying
that
this
sort
of
design
is
suitable
in
the
winter,
it's
worked
very
well
Indianapolis
for
the
last
ten
years
and
saves
a
lot
of
money
because
it's
permeable
and
therefore
there's
no
waste
and
ponding
as
well
as
stormwater
infrastructure,
is
a
lot
cheaper
to
maintain
the
what's
currently
being
proposed
right
now.
It
would
be
in
the
blind
spot.
B
K
Thank
you
very
much
for
this
work.
It's
we've
been
waiting
for
it
for
some
time,
and
so
it's
exciting
to
see
that
we
are
now
have
a
set
of
standards
for
how
to
develop
green
infrastructure
in
our
right-of-way.
What
I
don't
see
is
an
implementation
strategy
and
I
presume
you
have
to
develop
one
to
ensure
that
these
guidelines
are
actually
being
applied
in
our
capital
works.
H
Through
you,
madam
chair,
we
are
in
fact
moving
forward
with
an
implementation
strategy,
in
addition
to
having
some
demonstration
projects
that
we're
going
to
be
developing
next
year,
we're
in
the
process
of
working
closely
with
ECS
in
Toronto
water,
on
those
streets
where
they
have
basement
flooding
and
we're
doing
local
roadway
resurfacing.
To
look
for
opportunities.
We're
also
working
with
our
colleagues
in
ECS
to
update
the
guidelines
and
standards
for
roads
related
to
some
of
these
elements
that
are
in
the
guidelines.
H
So
we
can
make
them
more
straightforward
to
deliver,
and
then
we
also
have
a
for
division.
Steering
committee
meeting
that's
meeting
to
work
through
all
of
these
issues
in
terms
of
projects
and
policy
and
guidance
directions
so
that
we
can
move
relatively
quickly
once
we
have
once
we
get
into
2018
and
we
start
moving
on
these
projects.
So.
K
K
K
L
Madam
chair,
that's
correct.
The
initially
A's
had
limited
look
at
green
infrastructure,
a
very
small
opportunity
to
look
at
at
that
time.
This
document
will
be
used
as
part
of
the
design
process
because
the
design
work
is
coordinated
through
in
vaca
or
an
engineering
construction
services
group
we're
informing,
also
the
EA.
So
the
environmental
assessment
stage
will
have
the
document
to
look
at
options
as
well.
Okay,.
K
So
you
will
know-
and
mr.
D'andrea
will
know-
miss
gray
may
not,
but
I've
been
trying
to
get
the
boulevards
that
are
asphalt
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
at
least
in
my
board,
replaced
with
grass
and
or
something
permeable
and
seems
that
almost
every
time
there's
a
construction
contract.
They
put
back
what
was
there
and
it's
been
difficult
to
get
them
green
and
I'm
wondering
if,
as
if
we
pass
these
standards,
will
we
see
asphalt
boulevards
in
all
of
our
next
construction
projects?
Greened.
L
Know
that
so
so
the
short
answer
will
be
not
every
location
will
will
be
applicable
for
these
standards.
The
issue
that
we
had
is
we
had
old
standards.
That
said,
you
would
go
to
ashphalt
or
concrete,
whatever
the
material
was
at
that
time.
What
this
design
standard
does
is
it
allows
you
to
look
at
on
a
site-specific
basis,
whether
it's
applicable
use
some
of
the
green
standards.
You
have
to
look
at
soil
conditions,
number
of
factors,
I.
H
The
the
guidelines
would
then
give
us
the
the
direction
to
look
at
implementing
something
different
than
we
would
be
just
putting
back
asphalt,
but,
as
he
mentioned,
those
projects
that
are
currently
in
in
motion,
especially
those
for
2018
that
are
not
on
the
demonstration
list,
will
will
continue
and
we'll
try
to
catch
the
ones
in
the
future
in
the
design
stages
early
on,
so
that
we
can
have
a
better
outcome.
Councillor.
B
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
In
Etobicoke,
the
west
end
of
the
city,
there's
a
bylaw
in
place
that
compels
residents
to
look
after
the
green
space
on
the
boulevard
outside
of
their
home.
So
if
you
have
a
lawn
and
there's
this
imaginary
line
across
the
lawn
that
demarks
the
road
right-of-way
and
then
there's
usually
space
green,
maybe
some
plantings
and
then
the
actual
asphalt
surface.
Maybe
a
sidewalk,
in-between
that
by
law
compels
the
resident
to
look
after
that
and
people
do
they
comply.
D
How
does
this
work
in
the
inner
city,
where
we
might
be
installing
some
green
infrastructure
and,
under
the
same
token,
or
the
same
concept,
if
people
in
certain
parts
of
the
city
are
looking
after,
what's
already
kind
of
green
infrastructure?
Well,
we
also
compel
the
residents
and
the
businesses
and
the
and
people
that
face
the
right-of-way
where
we
might
be
installing
plantings
in
lieu
of
concrete
will
we
be
expecting
them
to
help
maintain
it.
H
Through
you,
madam
chair,
under
the
bylaw,
yes,
we
would
it
would.
It
would
work
the
same
way
and
and
one
of
our
implementation
pieces
that
we
continue
to
work
through,
and
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
demonstration
projects
will
be
so
important
in
2018
is,
is
on
replacement
and
more
significant
maintenance
having
to
do
with
the
drainage
facility.
H
D
One
of
the
things
I
do
worry
about
is
the
lifecycle
cost
of
the
green
infrastructure.
I'm
very
excited
about
it
by
the
way,
but
but
the
lifecycle
cost
is
something
that
could
potentially
be
very
large
for
the
city.
Are
we
prepared
to
enforce
that
by
law
if
need
be?
If
not,
everyone
is
stepping
up
to
the
plate,
and,
looking
after
that,
green
infrastructure
and
I
appreciate,
there's
a
difference
between
trimming
a
tree
and
just
simply
collecting
garbage
or
weeding
or
keeping
this
green
infrastructure
well
maintained
through.
H
You
we
are
prepared
to
enforce
it.
I'll
also
say
that
one
of
the
benefits
of
this
program
is
that
we
really
do
a
good
look
at
what
plant
material
has
the
most
impact
and
typically
has
the
least
maintenance
and
requirements.
So
you
can
really
get
a
good
palette
of
plant
material
that
hopefully
won't
be
a
particular
maintenance
burden,
but
still
creates
the
ecological
component
that
you're
looking
for.
C
C
Are
we
going
to
be
looking
at
funding
through
our
budget
maintenance
of
of
these
kinds
of
downtown
initiatives,
as
opposed
to
what's
happening
now
on
the
city
in
in
the
suburb
area,
which
is
the
rate
payers
are
responsible
for
picking
up
the
tab
of
maintaining
those
boulevard
areas?
Is
that
gonna
be
a
part
of
this
recommendation?
C
L
True,
madam
chair,
the
the
distinction
on
who
maintains
is
not
being
done
geographically,
its
exact
actually
being
done
by
placement
of
the
green
features.
So
if
it
is
within
the
road,
right-of-way
and
fronting
on
a
property
regardless
of
where
it
is
in
the
city,
it
would
apply
accordingly
to
to
the
way
the
general
manager
transportation
indicated.
The
homeowner
would
be
looked
at
to
maintain
that
and
the
business
owner
main
arterial
roads.
L
Now,
when
we're
looking
at
other
locations
like
arterial,
roads
or
if
there's
placement
of
a
feature
that
is
away
from
homes
may
be
near
BIA
or
may
be
near
a
corner
or
space
that
public
public
open
space.
Now,
that's
where
then
the
city
would
likely
have
to
maintain
and
that's
what
we're
looking
at
some
of
some
of
the
issues
of
who
would
be
maintaining
it.
Would
it
be
a
parks,
responsibility
if
it's
near
Park
area
or
would
it
be
a
transportation?
You.
C
Recognize
that
currently
on
main
arterial
roads,
at
least
in
my
area
of
the
city,
that
the
city
doesn't
cut
the
the
boulevards
that
it's
it's
subject
to
the
businesses
or
any
owners
of
any
property
adjacent
to
those
main
artery
or
properties.
So
that
just
sounds
like
there
may
be
a
difference
and
and
who
actually
picks
up
the
cost.
If
this
goes
through
through.
H
The
maintenance
piece
that
I
was
referring
to
is
the
drainage
function
of
that
green
infrastructure,
not
the
planting
function
of
that
green
infrastructure.
So
that's
another
piece
that
we
continue
to
work
through.
What
with
the
drainage
function,
is
compromised
over
the
long
term?
That's
something
that
we
would
address
because
we're
putting
it
in
part
because
it
has
a
drainage
component
to
it.
The
the
landscaping
piece
would
be
maintained
as
under
the
bylaw
like
it
currently
is
today,
either
by
the
homeowner
or
by
a
BIA.
The.
C
C
H
C
H
C
Okay,
so,
and
and
lastly,
council
in
its
wisdom,
after
some
heavy-duty
fighting
by
some
of
us,
shelved
the
whole
roof
tax
component
to
to
what
the
agenda
is
down
here
at
City.
Hall
is
this:
does
this
report
somehow
keep
that
alive
and
recommend
in
any
way
that
the
roof
tax
come
back
and
haunt
everybody
in
the
city?
Again,
very.
C
L
C
L
B
Have
a
quick
question:
I
welcome
this
report.
Thank
you
to
the
staff
that
worked
very
hard
on
this
I'm,
just
wondering
about
councilor
Davis's
comments
so
as
much
as
I'm
a
big
fan
of
of
greening
things
she
was
talking
about.
You
know
finding
areas
where
we
can
green,
especially
along
roadways,
but
how
does
that
impact
cyclists,
who
certainly
can't
use
grass
to
traverse
the
city
or
people
with
mobility
issues.
A
H
I
think
this
is
part
of
the
issue
is,
as
we
look
at
implementation
of
these
there's
very
site-specific
implementation
and
I
mentioned
the
part
about
actual
drainage
facilities,
so
that
the
soils
that
are
beneath
the
sub
the
surface
of
the
roadway
have
to
be
able
to
absorb
the
water,
and
that
depends
a
lot
on
the
soil
content
and
whether
there's
a
lot
of
clay
there
and
then
it
doesn't
absorb.
So
our
friends
in
Toronto
Water
have
a
pretty
comprehensive
map.
That
indicates
where
the
best
sort
of
receiving
sites
are
for
green
infrastructure.
H
So
we
use
that
as
sort
of
initial
screen
and
then
in
terms
of
the
overall
functions
of
the
roadway
and
what
facilities
go
there.
This
is
just
one
component
piece,
so
looking
at
the
boulevard,
if
its
replacement
like-for-like
and
we
find
that
it
would
be
a
good,
a
good
site
for
green
infrastructure
from
a
drainage
perspective.
If
we
find
that
the
there's
a
conflict
between
expansion
of
a
boulevard
or
changes
there
and
other
features
of
the
roadway,
that
would
be
something
we
would
address
through
design.
H
C
L
Theory,
madam
chair,
the
this
tool
will
be
used
whenever
the
city
is
initiating
its
works
within
public
lands
or
its
own
Road
right-of-way,
as
opposed
to
other
design
guidelines
that
we
have
in
place
already
whenever
a
third
party
initiates
it.
So
if
we
are
going
to
do
work
in
an
area
that
involves
a
BIA
and
also
involves
transportation
in
water,
because
usually
we
try
to
bundle
that
work
together.
L
We
will
apply
the
guidelines
and
look
at
it
and
and
if
it
makes
sense
to
do
it
in
that
area,
it
may
be
suggested
to
be
looked
at.
So
I
can't
rule
it
out
that
that
it
wouldn't
come
up
in
in
future.
Conversations
of
designing
that
right-of-way
but
there'll
be
parts
of
the
city
where
it
won't
make
sense
to
do
this
because
the
soils
aren't
aren't,
aren't
a
good
location
for
so.
L
C
Policy
that
that
has
the
BIA
is
now
looking
at
incorporating
yet
another
cost
to
themselves,
based
on
a
policy
we're
about
to
pass
and
and
many
of
the
BIA
just
can't
afford
these
kinds
of
costs.
They've
got
there.
They've
got
there
their
infrastructure
policies
in
place
and
now
that
this
changes
they're
going
to
have
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
boards
and
and
look
at
more
more
money
to
help
pay
for
these.
That's.
H
Through
you,
these
are
just
guidelines,
and
if
the
BI
is
we're
not
interested
in
implementing
them,
then
we
would
not
be
moving
forward
with
implementation.
So
they're
really
just
designed
guidelines
and
another
set
of
tools.
There
might
be
some
BIA
s
that
are
quite
interested,
but
it
would
not
be
something
that
we
would
demand
to
get
done
or
force
upon
a
group,
especially
because
again
it
is
the
adjacent
property
owner
or
entity.
That's
going
to
do
the
maintenance,
so
we
would
work
closely
with
with
whoever
was
going
to
be
have
that
frontage.
B
K
K
Very
much
I
want
to
first
say:
congratulations
to
Toronto
water,
to
transportation
services
and
to
planning
who
are
all
involved
in
developing
the
guidelines
and
in
proceeding
with
some
of
the
demonstration
projects
that
have
been
great
success,
one
in
particular
in
councillor
Fletcher's
Ward,
which
is
featured
in
many
of
the
pictures
in
in
the
report.
That's
before
us
now
that
we
have
the
standards
and
I
think
what
we
really
need
is
an
implementation
strategy
so
that
we
have
an
idea
about
how
and
when
these
projects
will
be
implemented
across
the
city.
K
The
first
thing,
I
want
to
say,
is,
as
we
see
the
number
of
basement
flooding
projects
unfold.
We
are
going
to
build
infrastructure,
green
infrastructure
as
part
of
those
projects
and
that's
great.
Initially.
They
weren't
necessarily
part
of
the
solutions
that
were
being
identified
by
the
consultants
doing
those
projects,
but
for
the
projects
that
we,
the
other
projects
or
all
of
the
roadwork
and
Toronto
water
work
that
gets
done
every
year
in
the
public
realm
that
affects
the
right-of-way
and,
as
many
many
municipalities
have.
K
Greater
and
greater
experience
with
new
and
innovative
ways
to
capture
stormwater
Toronto
has
to
as
well
and
in
fact
we
are
catching
up.
There
are
many
municipalities
across
Europe
and
North
America,
who
are
trying
a
range
of
infrastructure
strategies
such
as
rain
gardens,
bioswales
other
ways
to
prevent
water.
From
going
into
our
storm
system,
we
have
to
be
able
to
capture
as
much
rainfall
through
natural
infiltration
as
we
can
and
as
the
city
becomes
more
and
more
paved
over
asphalted
over.
K
We
have
to
step
back
and
say:
where
can
we
build
and
replace
hard
surfaces
with
better
means
of
capturing
stormwater?
They
can
be
beautiful,
they
can
be
structural,
but
there
are
ways
and
new
techniques
and
they
are
embedded
in
these
guidelines
that
we
should
be
using
on
our
streets,
no
I,
don't
think
and
I.
Don't
think
that
and
unaccepting
or
uncooperative
bia
would
be
the
pro.
That
would
be
the
place
where
we
would
want
to
do.
One
of
these
projects
and
I
can
say
absolutely.
We
have
some
experience
with
that
in
the
East
End.
K
There
has
to
be
a
mechanism
that,
where
the
BIA
must
sign
an
agreement
that
they
are
interested
and
willing
to
be
part
of
a
pilot
project
that
puts
green
infrastructure
in
the
BIA
area.
If
the
BIA
is
not
cooperative
and
does
not
sign
an
agreement
that
they
are
a
willing
partner
in
greening,
putting
in
new
tree
pits
putting
in
other
infiltration
measures,
then
they
should
not.
We
should
not
move
forward
to
do
this
kind
of
work
in
those
areas.
K
Even
if
you
beg
please
put
green
in
there,
you
are
doing
it
outside
of
the
terms
and
conditions
for
that
contract.
So
we've
got
to
find
ways
that
we
can
green
opportunistically
where
it
works,
and
we've
got
to
figure
out
how
to
make
this
implement.
How
to
implement
these
guidelines
in
all
of
the
projects
that
we
do
in
the
city
of
Toronto,
so
I
hope
you'll
support.
The
recommendation,
it
simply
is
for
a
report
on
implementation,
oh
and
the
general
manager.
In
answer
to
my
question,
said
that
she
was
happy
to
report
back.
M
M
Well,
you
know
we're
all
worried
about
the
state
of
the
world
these
days,
especially
climate
change
and
what's
going
on
down
south
and
also
what
happened
to
Toronto
this
this
past
summer,
when
we
lost
our
island
for
a
chunk
of
this
summer
and
in
my
Beach,
so
I
am
thrilled
to
announce
that
we
have
I.
Think
it's
the
first
ever
major
stormwater
demonstration
site
I.
M
So
it's
a
great
partnership
with
Toronto
water,
the
the
rural
Ontario,
Museum,
I,
believe
Carlton
universities
involved,
I.
Think
there's
a
organization
in
Paris
who's
following
it,
First
Nations
schools,
doing
some
indigenous
art
for
us
and
the
local
developers
involved
so
stay
tuned.
I
will
invite
you
all
down
to
see
it
in
2018
and
hopefully
we
can
roll
that
kind
of
infrastructure
out
across
the
city.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
C
Cuddly
beautiful
everybody
loves
it.
They
want
to
be
able
to
to
pet
it
and
touch
it
until
until
the
Panda
rip
sure
your
arms
off
and-
and
some
of
these
reports
are
just
like
that-
you
know
the
the
headings
are
wonderful.
They
look
beautiful,
everybody
says
we
should
be
doing
them
until
it's
time
for
the
city
staff
to
go
and
enforce
the
guidelines
and
the
policies,
and
so
we
have
to
watch
on
behalf
of
some
of
the
folks
in
the
city.
C
I,
don't
know
if
you
know
that,
but
BAE
s
are
not
allowed
to
contradict
any
of
the
policies
at
the
city
Toronto
under
our
agreements
with
them.
So
what
would
have
happened
is
if
this
motion
doesn't
go
through,
is
that
our
staff
would
go
out
and
force
them
these
kinds
of
measures
and
say
to
them
if
you're
looking
at
at
re
redoing
a
part
of
your
neighborhood
with
your
stones
or
your
green
initiatives.
C
Now
that
the
city
Toronto
is
implemented,
this
new
policy,
you
now
have
to
make
sure
it's
drained
and
you're
gonna
pick
up
the
costs
to
that,
and
so
that
becomes
a
very
expensive
measure
to
most
of
the
BIA
s
that
cannot
afford
these
kinds
of
costs.
So
that's
the
reason
for
my
motion.
I
I
think
that
someone
he
just
needs
to
protect
what
was
told
to
us
earlier
and
that's
to
make
sure
that
nobody
goes
out
and
tries
to
enforce
something
after
these
guidelines
are
passed.
C
I
would
support
and
I'm
going
to
support
new
guidelines
with
respect
to
this
I
don't
want,
however,
for
any
any
of
these
reports
to
bring
out
a
flavor
and
language
that
has
staff
come
out
and
say:
well,
you
passed
it
now
we
have
to
pay
for
it.
Now
we
have
to
implement,
implement
another
tax
for
it.
If
we're,
if
we're
prepared
to
move
in
this
direction
through
policy,
then
we're
prepared
to
absorb
whatever
it
is
under
our
budget
to
cover
the
costs
of
these
things.
C
I'm
afraid
that
that's
not
gonna
happen,
I'm
afraid
that
others
are
gonna
be
born
with
the
cost
of
the
policies
that
we're
creating
even
today.
So
that's
really
what
what
I'm
most
concerned
about
with
respect
to
this
and
I
hope
that
you
can
support
this
particular
initiative
and
given
what
we
just
passed
earlier,
madam
chair,
with
respect
to
to
to
work
being
done
on
boulevards
and
how
bi
A's
are
upset
at
what's
going
on
with
the
costs
of
our
new
policies
and
what
that
means
to
them.
C
E
E
C
C
E
E
C
I'm
not
sure
you're
getting
how
the
BIA
is
work.
Counselor,
Li,
the
BI
A's,
are
an
agency
of
the
city.
The
bas
are
structured
for
a
cost,
half-and-half
cost
with
the
city
on
anything
they
do
with
infrastructure.
What's
happened
lately
is
the
city
changes
its
policies
on
the
type
of
material
that
they're
now
supposed
to
use
and
they're
picking
up
the
huge
costs
of
that?
This
is
no
different,
we're
about
to
venture
into
a
whole
new
technique
on
how
to
drain
on
boulevards
that
the
bis
are
responsible
for.
C
So
when
they're
ready
to
do
other
work,
we're
going
to
now
be
telling
them.
You
have
to
pay
the
costs
of
the
drain,
a
new
policy
on
how
to
drain,
and
it's
very
expensive,
so
you're
trying
to
make
it
a
mammal
ad
issue.
This
is
about
us
having
to
go
back
and
I.
You
know,
please
move
the
motion
to
have
them
to
defer
it
and
have
them
speak
to
the
BAS
as
well
on
their
views
on
this
I.
Don't
think
they've
done
that.
B
B
They
make
our
city,
vibrant,
so
I
think
this
is
a
bit
of
a
sweeping
statement
to
make
off
the
top
of
an
initiative
without
consultation
with
the
with
the
BIA
s,
because
they
may
actually
look
at
this
as
a
great
opportunity
to
work
with
the
city
in
greening
their
I
know
they
like
their
Street
scapes
to
be
green
and
to
have
gardens
and
flank
of
trees
and
florals.
So
I
just
sent
my
question
to
you
is
I.
B
C
Haven't
we
talked
to
Tavia
before
this
report
came
out,
Madame
I'm,
the
chair:
why
are
we
pad
well
to
pass
another
policy
without
having
to
speak
to
the
BIA
s
if
you're,
if
you're,
if
you
would
prefer
that
that
we
hold
off
and
and
speak
to
them
first
before,
and
it
becomes
a
part
of
this
dialogue,
then
I'm?
Okay,
with
that
before
we
pass
any
policies,
I'm
totally?
Okay,
with
that?
Okay,
okay,.
D
I've
got
a
mic
here
thanks.
Madam
Speaker
I
am
looking
in
the
report.
There's
a
really
nice
picture,
I'll
hold
it
up,
it's
of
a
boulevard.
It's
a
busy
street.
It's
got
a
nice
hedge
and
some
some
green
trees
and
I.
Think
to
myself.
Yeah
I
mean
that
looks
that
looks
fantastic.
It
would
be
great
if
the
city
continued
to
transform
and
involve
because
it
would
just
be
a
more
livable
place.
D
But
the
thing
that
comes
to
mind,
though,
is
who's
going
to
look
after
that
hedge
and
I
worry,
you
know
we
struggle
just
filling
in
the
potholes,
scraping
the
snow
off
trimming
those
trees.
We
struggle
to
keep
up
with
that
amount
of
maintenance,
despite
really
good
efforts,
but
you
know:
there's
a
tremendous
cost
and
a
lot
of
resources
and
we're
gonna
add
another
layer
on
there.
D
I'm
not
saying
we
shouldn't
do
it,
but
my
point
is:
is
this
concept
has
existed
in
the
suburbs
for
decades
and
decades
and
decades
there's
enormous
amounts
of
green
spaces
out
there
and
they're
happily
looked
after
they're,
happily
improved
by
the
owners
that
abut
those
properties.
So
in
my
questions
and
what
we
talked
about
today,
I
think
we
brought
it
up
is
is
I.
Think
counselors
should
be
concerned
about
a
double
standard
to
me.
If
we
put
a
hedge
in
there,
then
the
onus
to
look
after
that
should
fall
to
the
adjacent
property
owner.
D
They
should
be
making
sure
the
hedge
in
the
right-of-way
is
well
maintained
and
it
shouldn't
then
become
a
burden
on
the
city.
Now,
there's
a
difference
between
digging
up
the
substrate
and
the
the
drainage
bed
and
the
large
rocks
and
tiles
that
are
in
there.
You
know
that's
a
civil
work
and
that's
probably
something
that
the
city
would
do
cyclically,
as
the
road
is
is
rebuilt,
I
mean
that
has
to
do
with
water
drainage,
that's
our
responsibilities,
but
I
just
hope.
D
People
aren't
thinking
about
this,
especially
those
that
represent
the
downtown
thinking
that
you
know
the
city
is
now
gonna.
Look
after
all
this,
because
other
parts
of
the
city
step
up
to
the
plate,
and
they
do
that
and
they
do
that
happily
and
they
do
a
good
job
with
it
and
so
I
guess.
Maybe
the
concern
is
to
be
careful.
What
you
wish,
for
that
said,
I
think
we're
doing
the
right
thing.
D
Councillor
Mamelodi
has
driven
home
a
very
good
point:
I'm
not
gonna
support
his
motion,
but
he
makes
a
good
point,
and
that
is
you've
got
to
talk
to
the
BIA
and
you've
got
to
talk
to
the
homeowner
when
we're
implementing
this
infrastructure.
If
we're
going
to
put
the
onus
on
them
to
look
after
it
and
I
I'm
gonna
trust
staff,
we're
going
to
work
through
that.
D
This
is
a
very
comprehensive
report
and
I
think
it's
a
path
forward,
but
that
element
should
be
introduced
into
it
that,
if
we're
gonna
do
these
plantings,
if
we're
gonna
make
these
improvements,
those
that
are
benefiting
most
directly
from
those
improvements
should
also
be
part
of
the
process
to
help
look
after
them.
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
You
vice
mayor,
chair,
I'm,
going
to
be
moving
a
motion
and
these
guidelines
need
a
strategy
to
implement.
So
with
this
request
comes
to
Davis.
Just
ask
me
to
do
that
to
report
back
in
July,
10th
2018
on
an
implementation
strategy
for
the
green
switch
tentacle,
the
guidelines
and
we've
consulted
with
the
manager,
general
manager
of
Transportation
and
so
keep
with
it.
I
just.
B
E
So
I
think
this
is
good
use
of
public
space
and
it's
important
that
we
keep
maintaining
our
public
instructure
in
such
a
way
that
it
looks
good
and
it's
beneficial
to
the
community
that
is
surrounding
it.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
the
hard
work
putting
put
into
the
technical
guidelines
and
always
supporting
most
of
these
amendments.
I'm
still
thinking
about
councilmember
leaders,
changing.
B
B
D
May
help
I
and
if
councillor
mammal
IDI
wants
to
suggest
it
just
insert,
in
addition
to
the
reporting
on
the
implementation,
a
consultation
strategy
for
BIA
s
and
affected
homeowners
as
a
friendly
clause
in
there
I
think
the
staff
agreed
that
they
could
come
back
and
talk
to
us
about
how
they
would
do
that.
You.
D
C
B
C
C
B
A
A
B
B
C
C
C
A
A
L
A
L
H
B
We'll
just
move
the
amendments
has
as
everybody.
So,
let's
start
with
counselor
who's,
this
first
councilor
ma'am,
the
ladies
is
first
and
then
counselor
lease
and
counselor
leaves
has
been
amended
with
councilor
holidays
comments.
So
we've
got
counselor
mammal.
Ladies
before
us
all
in
favor
opposed
that
carries.
Counselor
leaves
with
counselor
holidays
amendments.
Are
they
there?
Yes,
all
in
favor
that
carries
and
that's
a
wrap,
we're
gonna
move
on
to
our
next
item.
We
have
deputations
on
the
next
item
and
we
have
to
move
these
items
forward.
So
the
first
speaker
is
Hamish.
B
I
Good
morning
again,
thank
you
for
this
item
and
your
time
I
take
climate
change
very
very
seriously
by
the
way,
and
so
with
that
aspect
of
the
motivation
behind
this
report.
I
think
it's
it's
excellent.
This
is
a
little
just
an
indication
of
how
serious
I
actually
is
the
total
amount
of
heat
energy
stored
in
the
atmosphere
for
the
equivalent
of
harris
lumens
per
second,
it's
a
horrendous
problem.
It's
really
at
the
point
of
a
climate
emergency
these
days,
so
I
totally
take
climate
change
very
seriously.
I
However,
it
does
seem
that
anything
to
do
with
cars.
Just
sails
right
through
really
gets
fast-tracked,
even
though
there
are
some
real
issues
with
electric
cars,
because
there's
still
cars,
for
instance,
and
now
one
of
the
things
that
we
also
in
context,
we
tend
to
subsidize
the
vehicles
pretty
heavily
already.
This
is
an
old
stat
from
Vancouver
2,700
bucks
per
car
per
year
about
seven
times
the
amount
we
subsidize
transit.
So
that's
about
2.7
billion
a
year
worth
of
avoided
costs
that
we
we
managed
to
provide
to
autumn
ability
and
in
terms
of
climate
change.
I
I
The
social,
financial
and
environmental
threats
we
face
and
we
now
face
as
a
result
of
a
reliance
on
refined
petroleum,
are
not
the
fault
of
internal
combustion
technology
per
se,
but
if
the
massive
expansion
of
the
automobile
transport
system
in
this
sense,
the
the
scale
of
the
automobile,
the
automotive
technology
system,
is
in
most
salient
and
potentially
hazardous
characteristics.
So
it's
the
scale.
If
we
change
the
the
mode
of
propulsion,
it
doesn't
mean
to
say
that
we
still
don't
have
massive
problems.
We
do
so.
I
Because
we're
dominated
by
the
suburban
areas
that
are
car
owned
oriented,
this
is
how
the
core
gets
compromised.
We
still
don't
have
anywhere
near
a
good
bike.
Lane
network
and
bikes
are
a
couple
of
orders
of
magnitude
greener
than
an
electric
car,
and
what
is
a
priority
to
fight
climate
change.
I've
been
obsessed
about
climate
change
for
quite
a
while
decades.
I
I
We
have
50
thousand
bucks
to
manage
to
we
found
55
or
50
thousand
bucks
to
put
into
this
electric
vehicle
and
change
things,
and
yet
we
have
not
found
the
$25,000
over
25
years
to
actually
put
in
that
little
bit
of
bike
lane
on
Bloor
Street
East,
which
is
also
transit,
relief
and
in
terms
of
their
actual
overall
energy
efficiency.
We
have
to
be
thinking
of
how
can
we
improve
the
efficiency
of
our
transit
systems
and
by
providing
a
continuous
bike
way
along
bluer
Danforth?
It's
a
transit
efficiency
which
equates
with
an
energy
efficiency.
I
If
you
don't
think
that
there's
an
issue
with
the
transit?
Well,
there
is,
there
are
a
rendus
issues.
Blue
or
young
is
horribly
overcrowded.
We're
told
so
in
terms
of
actually
having
the
sense
of
doing
things
with
with
the
overall
transport
deficiencies
and
transport
leads
or
greenhouse
gas
problem
in
in
Ontario
and
we're
in
some
car
onic
denial
here
about.
Please.
B
I
C
These
cars
just
circling,
trying
to
figure
out
where
all
the
parking
spots
have
gone,
because
we've
taken
them
away
under
your
wish,
I
guess
with
respect
to
blur
Street
in
every
other
area
that
we
take
them.
So
would
it
not
make
sense
to
eliminate
the
bike
lanes
and
put
a
hold
on
these
driverless
cars
until
we
figure
out
how
they're
actually
going
to
be
driving
around?
C
I
They
wanted
to
have
the
extra
space
allocated
to
the
public
realm
because
they
felt
that
there
was
adequate
off
street
parking
with
not
only
the
provision
of
the
subway
but
all
the
off
street
parking
in
the
parking
garages.
So
you
don't
need
on
street
parking
on
Bloor
Street
on
top
and
parallel
to
the
subway.
It
is
unnecessary,
so
the
driverless
cars
are
really
a
you
know
they
take
other
Street.
What
you
do
need.
B
C
I
think,
with
respect
to
how
these
cars
move
around,
it
is
relevant
to
the
deputy,
because
the
deputy
wants
a
particular
corridor
in
the
city
to
be
to
look
a
particular
way.
We've
taken
away
parking
spots
at
the
cost
of
the
city,
I
might
add:
we've
lost
about
two
million
dollars
in
taking
away
those
those
parking
authority
parking
spots
along
Bloor
Street.
How
is
it
that
these
robot
cars
are
going
to
find
parking
if
we've
taken
all
the
parking
away.
I
On
the
subway
corridor,
if
people
want
to
come
into
the
center
of
the
city,
I
think
they
can
get
out
of
their
car
and
take
the
subway.
That's
the
most
logical
thing
and
I
would
actually
refer
you
to
this
book
again,
the
electric
vehicle
and
the
burden
of
history
in
that
particular
quote,
which
suggested
that
in
fact,
it
doesn't
matter
about
the
mode
of
propulsion.
It's
still
a
whole
system
of
autumn
ability.
That
is
a
problem.
Every
single
car
takes
up.
C
B
N
Speak
about
electric
vehicles
because
I'm,
a
new
purchaser
of
an
electric
vehicle
I'm,
also
a
permit
Parker
and
Ward
29
and
I,
was
shocked
to
find,
when
I
called
the
city
to
ask
for
a
permit
to
install
a
Homebase
charger
at
my
own
expense
that
I
couldn't
get
a
permit,
because
such
permits
don't
exist
and
indeed
the
infrastructure
to
support
those
permits
don't
exist
either
in
the
city
is
not
moving
to
put
that
infrastructure
in
place.
So
I
was
pretty
interested
when
I
learned
about
this
pilot
to
supposedly
prepare
Toronto
for
EVs
I
have
news.
N
The
Eevee's
are
here
now
and
there's
a
tidal
wave
of
evie
purchases
coming
down
the
road
as
new
models
come
out
and
more
and
more
people
want
these
things.
But
this
pilot
is
not
addressing
the
real
issues
that
are
out
there
right
now
as
they
relate
to
EVs
and,
as
the
issues
relate
to
Evie's
coming
down
the
road
soon.
N
The
first
thing
that
this
pilot
doesn't
recognize
is
the
mandatory
component
of
an
Evie
charging
strategy
relating
to
home
charging
home
charging
is
a
mandatory
component
of
any
charging
strategy
and
permit
Parkers.
Don't
have
the
ability
to
charge
at
home,
there's
53,000
permit
Parkers
out
there
across
the
city
and
were
effectively
blocked
from
the
electric
car
revolution.
N
N
They
have
in
front
of
them
to
use
these
cars
and
as
a
result
of
that
I'm
pretty
close
to
having
to
cancel
my
cancel
my
purchase
of
an
electric
vehicle
for
this
reason
and
I'd
hate
to
want
to
do
that.
Believe
me,
I,
really!
Don't
want
to
do
that
and
I
think
the
city
should
be
encouraging
people
to
use
electric
vehicles
not
disclose
so.
B
M
N
I,
do
a
permit
parking
and
I
am
a
permit
parking
Parker.
Today,
I
just
can't
charge
my
vehicle
under
a
permit
I'm,
not
concerned
about
the
fact
that
I
can't
park
the
car
in
front
of
the
house
all
the
time.
That's
you
know,
part
of
being
a
permit
Parker
and
I
bought
into
that
when
I
bought
a
house
downtown.
N
The
problem
is
I
can't
get
a
an
electrical
connection
down
to
the
curb,
even
at
my
own
expense,
because
there's
no
infrastructure
that
allows
the
city
to
give
a
permit
that
I
can
get
a
contractor
to
come
in
and
do
that.
I
have
to
run
a
cable
from
the
house
across
a
bit
of
public
property
under
the
sidewalk
and
across
to
the
curb
so.
M
N
Basically,
I'm
suggesting
that
we
need
hydro
drops
on
the
poles
and
the
the
pilot
is
talking
about
that,
but
they're
talking
about
putting
a
few
here
and
a
few
there
and
some
of
them
down
in
public
spaces
like
parking,
lots
at
parks
and
so
on,
but
they're
not
talking
about
making
those
drops
available
for
people
to
purchase
them
themselves,
because
the
city
can
only
produce.
You
know
five
or
six
of
these
things
and
we
have
a
large
number
of
electric
cars
already
in
the
permit
areas.
N
M
N
These
drops
don't
exist
today,
so
the
pilot
needs
to
test
that,
but
it
needs
to
do
so
on
a
prompt
basis
so
that
we
can
figure
out
what
the
cost
is
and
what
the
city
is
willing
to
do
at
cost
and
what
Toronto
Hydro
is
wanting
to
do.
It
cost
to
do
their
share
mitigating
the
premium
of
owning
an
electric
vehicle
to.
N
M
D
Hi
mister
Skaro,
thank
you
for
speaking
to
us
in
a
thoughtful
presentation.
We
have
about
500
pieces
of
Correspondence
and
this
particular
P
wick
meeting.
So
I'll
have
a
look
for
yours.
We
do
normally
look
at
them
when
they
come
around.
If
you
like,
I'll,
give
you
a
copy
after
I'll
find
it
not
a
problem,
but
I
was
curious.
I,
it's
a
very
difficult
issue
brought
up
and
I
wondered
if
you
felt
or
or
thought
that
electric
vehicle
charging
infrastructure
should
be
a
private
thing.
D
N
The
electric
cart
vendors
have
done
an
excellent
job
of
putting
infrastructure
out
there
for
charging
on
route
chargers
all
over
the
city.
If
you
look
at
maps
and
as
for
charging
at
home,
there's
a
rebate
available
through
Ontario
or
the
province
to
help
mitigate
the
cost
of
putting
a
charger
in
your
home.
So
there's
you
know
private
public
partnerships
going
on
all
over
the
place
and
that
part
of
the
charging
infrastructure
is
doing
quite
nicely,
but
there's
a
hole
in
that
a
gap
relating
to
53,000
good
on
permits
and
nobody's
dealing
with
it.
N
D
Is
a
this
is
a
very
difficult
issue,
because
parking
is
very
difficult
in
general,
so
one
of
the
things
that
people
have
brought
up
and
I'm,
not
necessarily
saying
it's
your
suggestion,
but
if
you
let's
say
you're
a
homeowner
and
you
and
you
are
able
to
install
your
own
private
drop
and
near
your
home
to
service
the
car
right,
you've
run
an
extension
cord
or
whatever
it
is.
Let's
say
we
reach
that
world.
How
do
you
deal
with
getting
access
to
that
parking
space,
knowing
that
parking
spaces
aren't
reserved
on
the
street?
N
N
The
way
I
envisioned
it
as
in
a
way
of
opening
to
the
discussion,
was
that
the
that
one
of
the
permit
spots
be
used
as
a
charging
station
for
permitted
electric
vehicles
only
overnight
and
what
that
means
is
there's
no
permit
spot
lost,
because
these
are
all
permitted
vehicles,
electric
or
otherwise,
but
overnight,
that
particular
slot
is
reserved
for
overnight
charging
of
electric
vehicles,
and
you
put
those
only
in
neighborhoods
where
electric
vehicles
exist.
Now,
during
the
day,
the
spot
reverts
to
normal
usage
and
anybody
can
use
the
spot
regardless.
So.
D
N
D
N
Think
so
we'd
have
to
talk
to
the
Toronto
Hydro
people.
But
when
you
look
at
the
poles,
there's
the
high
voltage
wire
across
the
top
and
then
there's
a
lower
240,
phased
wire
below
that
that
feeds
all
the
houses
and
we're
talking
residential
areas.
Here,
oh
yeah,
there's
a
240,
volt
wire,
understood
above,
and
so
it's
just
a
matter
of
connecting
and
dropping
down
and.
D
N
Interestingly
enough,
the
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
province
has
been
interested
in
electric
vehicles
is
because,
for
overnight,
charging
you're
charging
with
power
that
is
essentially
surplus
power,
Ontario
Hydro
because
of
the
nukes,
and
in
this
case
a
game
we'd
be
using
surplus
power,
and
if
that
power
was
metered
by
Toronto
Hydro,
they
could
ask
for
a
reimbursement
of
that
from
Ontario
Hydro
as
surplus
power.
It's
a
metered
at
the
pole,
though,.
N
D
N
Do
you
think
their
role
is
I
think
they
need
to
design
this
drop
and
design
it
in
such
a
manner
that
it
is
as
inexpensive
and
simple
as
possible
using
the
KISS
principle
and
to
provide
it
at
a
cost.
Therefore,
that
is
accessible
to
the
individual
or
to
groups
of
individuals
when
there's
multiple
V's
on
the
on
the
street
that
could
use
that
charger,
because
you
don't
need
a
charge.
Oh,
you
do
need
to
charge
overnight,
but
you
don't
need
to
charge
every
equal
every
night.
C
Just
interested
in
in
in
how
you
get
to
where
you
want
to
be.
In
my
opinion,
this
has
been
about
the
cart
before
the
horse
government's
moving
forward
with
policy,
not
understanding
in
getting
to
where
the
people
that
want
to
abide
by
the
rules
in
getting
there.
In
your
case,
you
have
a
car,
you
have
a
house,
and
why
is
it
that
you
can't
charge
your
vehicle
at
your
own
house,
because.
N
C
N
C
N
I
think
what
we're
doing,
or
what
we're
seeing
right
now,
first
of
all,
is
not
that
Ontario
is
allowing
these
things.
It's
the
world
that
is
coming
to
our
door.
Stop
with
these
things.
These
things
are
here
and
it's
not
because
Ontario
allowed.
It
is
because
the
market
is
pushing
them.
We're
responding
to
that
and
Ontario
is
responding
to
it
and
yeah
the
the
tsunami,
as
I
call
it
of
electric
vehicles
that
are
going
to
come
down.
C
N
N
C
It
will
be,
it
will
be
a
huge
I,
don't
think
so.
It'll
be
a
huge
cost
for
a
number
of
reasons.
One
everything
needs
to
be
designed.
Okay,
subject
to
where
you
want
to
put
your
car,
you
have
costs
that
you
have
to
bear
with
respect
to
fair
wage
in
the
city
of
Toronto,
and
that
brings
an
another
absorbent
amount
of
money
and
I
would
I
would
venture
to
say
that
it
will
end
up
costing
you
anywhere
between
fifty
and
sixty
thousand
dollars.
Just
to
do
what
you
want.
I,
don't.
N
Believe
it
the
reason,
why
is
because,
first
of
all,
we
have
to
find
a
solution
to
solve
this
problem
now
on
a
timely
and
costly
basis
doing
it,
maybe
the
old-fashioned
way
might
be
that
way.
You
know
the
dinosaur
way,
but
we
have
to
find
a
solution,
because
these
cars
are
here
now
that's
what
I'm
telling
you
these
cars
are
here
now
so
turning
around
and
saying
it's
going
to
cost
sixty
thousand
to
produce
a
drop,
he
is
not
solving
the
problem.
Would
you
pay.
B
O
B
C
O
O
B
C
O
O
Your
chair,
there
are
two
pilots
outlined
in
this
report.
One
is
for
the
residential
permit,
residential
levy,
charge
stations
and
the
costs
of
the
city
is
about
six
thousand
dollars
for
that
pilot
program,
which
provides
seven
e
V
stations
because
we're
just
Bor
bearing
the
cost
of
manage
and
markings.
How.
O
C
O
C
O
Six
thousand
dollars
is
based
on
the
signage
and
pavement
markings
related
to
Evie
charge
stations
and
residential
areas.
The
other
costs
related
to
that
are
covered
by
Toronto
Hydro.
So
it
asked
them
to
comment
on
the
costs
only
not
and
what
that
would
be
for
an
individual
I
can't
put
a
number
on
that.
O
C
M
C
C
P
You
for
the
question,
madam
chair:
there's
a
number
of
issues
associated
with
this
right
now.
There
are
code
regulations
that
prevent
someone
from
bringing
electricity
from
their
home
crossing
on
to
a
public
road
allowance
and
bringing
that
electricity
there,
and
so
the
pilot
is
designed
to
tap
into
our
system
and
bring
electricity
to
a
charging
station
named
on
the
pole.
This
is
a
pilot,
so
the
costs
are
not
firm.
C
C
C
I
get
that
I
see,
but
my
question
was:
if
the
city's
picking
up
the
car
a
certain
cost
and
then
hydro
picks
up
another
one.
We
are
already
at
16,000
minimum,
yes
per
location,
okay,
okay,
so
it's
not
going
to
be
ten
thousand.
Is
it
it's
going
to
be
higher
than
ten
thousand
I
said
no
less
than
ten?
That's
right,
so
it
could
be.
Fifty
thousand
I
wouldn't
go
that
far.
Could
it
be
forty
mm
could
be
so?
C
D
I,
don't
know
who
needs
to
answer
it
if
it's
city
staff
or
hydro
staff,
but
in
the
experience
in
other
places
and
I,
think
it
even
came
up
that
there
are
commercial
vendors.
Essentially
that
run
charging
stations
in
the
city.
Is
it?
Is
it
reasonable
to
say
that
at
some
point
they
could
actually
be
a
money-making
venture
to
get
into
the
business
of
selling
power
to
charge
cars?
B
D
O
B
M
A
O
P
M
And
just
what
concerned
me
was:
should
it
be
warranted
in
the
future
and
I
think
we
all
know
it's
gonna
be
want
warranted,
I
get
I.
Guess
it's
a
matter
of
how
it's,
how
it's
done
right
and
not
if
it's
done
so
and
then
how
long?
What
kind
of
time
frame
are
you
looking
at
then
just
to
determine
whether
they're,
successful
or
not.
M
O
E
O
B
M
Thank
you
very
much,
and
so
I'm
gonna
try
and
be
positive,
but
it's
great
that
this
is
moving
forward
and
we're
actually
doing
a
pilot
and
seems
to
be
good
partnership
with
Toronto
Hydro
I
would
just
say
that
it's
it's
pretty
timid
and
I
know
we
want
to
get
it
right,
but
we
are
truant.
Onehans
are
keen
on
electric
vehicles
and
they
are
purchasing
them
and
they're
feeling
frustrated
because
they
can't
charge
them
we're
trying
to
move
forward
with
a
sustainable
city.
Q
Thank
you
very
much.
I'll
be
I'll.
Try
to
be
very
brief
in
2011
I
attended
a
workshop
that
Toronto
Hydro
put
on
this
was
six
years
ago
now
with
Toronto
atmospheric
fund
about
this
very
subject,
and
this
was
at
the
very
early
stages
of
the
uptake
of
v's.
It
is.
It
is
incredible
that
we've
gotten
this
far
I
would
have
hoping
it
would
have
happened
a
little
quicker.
Q
Let
me
put
a
scenario
for
you:
two
scenarios
that
occur
quite
frequently
in
my
ward,
which
I'm
very
excited
as
part
of
the
pilot
tenant
in
buildings
that
that
are
in
areas
of
like
these
are
in
houses.
Most
of
my
houses,
triplex
and
duplex
triplex,
tenants
and
buildings
that
that
don't
and
or
can't
get
permission
or
wouldn't
put
the
investment
into
an
on-site
charging
vehicle
are
now
going
to
be
able
to
to
access
spots
within
the
permit
area
that
they
can
charge
their
vehicles.
Q
That
is
one
important
group
and
don't
get
don't
like
these
tenants
drive.
All
my
areas
are
permitted
almost
to
100%,
yet
there's
parking
on
site,
but
it's
because
we
have
subdivided
these
these
houses
up.
These
are
people
that
own
cars
that
some
some
own
cars,
not
by
the
time
but
someone
cars
that
this
will
offer
them
an
opportunity
to
to
do
a
lower
carbon
switch.
I
should
say
first
the
only
solution
to
our
future
transportation
issues
that
our
city
will
be
facing
is
getting
people
out
of
their
cars.
Q
There
is
no
doubt
in
my
mind,
however.
However,
there
are
instances
where
individuals,
because
of
their
work,
because
of
accessibility
issues
because
of
any
number
of
other
things
won't
be
able
to
access
public
transit
or
walk
or
take.
Take
a
bicycle.
I
acknowledge
that
I
acknowledge
that
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
this
switch
immediately.
We're
gonna
need
to
figure
out
steps
that
we
can
ensure
that
individuals
that
don't
are
are
either
tenants
and
can't
do
the
equipment
upgrade
on
their
premises
or
the
other
side
of
it
is
individuals
that
don't
have
parking.
Q
They
just
simply
don't
have
parking
or
don't
have
access
to
a
parking
spot
on
their
site.
We
don't
allow
new
parking
pads
in
Ward
19.
We
haven't
in
15
years
and
I'm
not
begin
to
be
the
first
to
start
changing
that,
so
this
offers
an
opportunity
for
individuals
to
switch
over.
There
are
problems
with
the
pilot
I
agree.
If
you're
charging
at
a
station,
you
should
probably
be
the
one
paying
for
those
electrons
if
you're
it.
Q
If
you,
we
should
be
able
to
go
to
a
dedicated
spot
scenario
where,
in
an
overnight
I
think
that's
a
great
idea
in
the
overnight
times
that
those
spots
be
reserved
for
for
evie
vehicles
to
ensure
that
people
can
actually
recharge
them
and
access
those
spots.
There
should
be
two
spots
at
every
drop
as
far
as
I'm
concerned.
If
you
can
put
a
spot
on
both
sides,
you
should
go
ahead
and
do
that.
These
are
good
steps
forward.
I
just
spoke
to
staff
about
this.
Q
The
issue
that
the
councillor
holiday
just
brought
up,
that
some
of
them
will
be
paying
and
some
of
them
won't
my
understanding.
It's
because
they're
trying
a
couple
different
things:
they're
using
the
pilot
opportunity
to
use
different
kiosk
systems
and
see
what
works
and
what
doesn't
I
was
pleased
to
know
that
some
of
the
residential
ones
will
be
will
be
individuals
paying
for
them,
so
that
we
are
recouping
some
of
the
the
cost
here,
but
I
think
we
need
to
remember.
It
is
a
pilot,
we're
only
doing
some
some
stations.
Q
E
E
E
So,
although
we
look
at
the
greening
of
a
planet-
and
it's
a
commendable
thing
to
do-
and
is
it
is
the
right
thing
to
do-
we
also
have
to
think
about
the
changing
environment
that
we
are
in
so
I'm
going
to
be
supporting
the
pilot
going
forward,
so
we
can
get
numbers
back.
We
can
get
financial
models
that
could
work
for
us
in
the
future.
So
thank
you
very
much
staff
for
bringing
this
forward.
Thank
you.
E
C
I've
asked
staff
the
question
on
the
city
level:
they
say
it's
six
thousand
dollars
hydro
by
the
way,
hydro.
If
anybody
hasn't
been
watching,
the
news
is
one
of
the
biggest
issues
in
the
City
of
Toronto
and
in
this
province.
People
do
not
want
to
keep
paying
the
rates
associated
to
to
to
what's
going
on
in
their
own
homes,
and
this
today
tells
me
why?
Because
we
are
prepared
now
to
even
ask
hydro
to
absorb
the
costs
associated
to
this,
and
they
can't
even
tell
us
how
much
that's
going
to
be
they've
narrowed
it
down.
C
They
said
it's
going
to
be
at
least
ten
thousand
dollars
and
could
be
forty
thousand
dollars.
So
let's
take
those
numbers
for
a
second,
because
if
we're
looking
at
sixteen
hundred
vehicles
and
we're
looking
at
forty
thousand
dollars
we're
talking,
this
pilot
project
could
potentially
cost
the
taxpayers
about.
C
Seventy
million
dollars
sixty
five
million
dollars,
and
if
someone
can
dispute
that
I'd
like
them
to
do
that
right
now,
because
I
don't
think
you
can
we're
venturing
into
a
policy
that
we
don't
even
know
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
and
we're
doing
it
for
sixteen
hundred
vehicles
in
the
city,
Toronto
and
who's
paying
for
it.
The
people
that
don't
want
to
pay
for
these
ventures,
the
people
that
say
we
have
had
enough.
C
We
don't
want
to
keep
paying
City
Hall
for
these
ventures,
and
so
what
my
motion
does,
madam
chair,
is
it
says
you
want
them
pay
for
them.
You
want
that.
You
want
the
infrastructure
for
your
for
your
1,600
vehicles,
pay
for
it
and
that's
the
appropriate
motion
that
I
think
taxpayers
would
want
moved
under
this
scenario.
I'm
not
saying
defer
it
off,
I'm,
not
saying
kill
it.
C
I'm
saying
if
this
is
becoming
a
real
big
issue,
we've
heard
from
a
deputed
that
said
he's
prepared
to
pay
the
costs
associated
to
parking
in
front
of
his
house.
Let
them
pay
the
costs.
Why
is
that
the
taxpayer
has
to
pay
whether
it's
to
the
municipal
level
of
government
or
whether
it's
true
hydro
and
hydro,
just
a
message
to
you.
You
can't
keep
doing
these
sorts
of
things.
C
People
are
sick
and
tired
of
the
costs
associated
to
their
bills
every
month
and
if
you're
prepared
to
pay
$40,000
a
Teta
at
a
pilot
in
a
pilot
project,
it's
no
wonder
everybody's
so
upset
at
hydro,
I'm,
yelling
and
I'm.
Not
yelling.
I
am
very
emotional
I'm
in
Italian.
We
do
this
stuff.
We
we
get.
We
get
emotional
in
our
living
rooms
week.
Every
time
we
open
up
a
hydro
bill,
Italians
get
upset
every.
C
Time
every
time
a
Portuguese
person
opens
up
a
bill
they
get
upset.
You
know
why,
because
it's
us
down
here
thinking
that
we
can
just
do
what
we
want
and
say
for
1600
Vehicles
we're
about
we're
about
to
venture
into
something
that
doesn't
even
make
sense
and
we
don't
even
know
the
costs
of
it.
This
is
ridiculous.
B
Motion
is
a
we
begun
and
that
you're
asking
to
recoup
the
entire
cost
and
a
plan
and
charge
that
back
to
the
user,
the
entire
cost,
like
not
just
flatlining
at
making
sure
so
would
it
maybe
not
be
a
better
approach
to
make
sure
that
anybody
who
participates
pays
no
matter
where
you
live
in
the
city
versus
this
broader
thing.
That
seems
maybe
a
bit
cumbersome
and
impossible
to
do.
This.
Try
to
you
know
to
recuperate
every
single
costs
related
to
this
program.
B
C
D
The
reason
why
I
move
this
is
I
think
we
should
be
charging
all
of
the
users
and
learning
from
that
experience.
As
part
of
the
pilot,
my
concern
is
that
the
return
on
investment
on
say
ten
thousand
dollars
that
we
hear
is
the
installation
charge
maybe
longer
than
one
year
and
that's
an
awful
lot
of
electricity
to
sell
for
ten
thousand
dollars.
So
it's
a
slightly
different
motion,
slightly
different
approach,
I'm
very
interested
in
the
provision
of
these
charging
services.
D
B
Okay,
Thank
You
councillor
Holliday
I'll,
move
the
recs
in
the
report.
Thank
you
to
staff,
especially
while
Toronto
Hydro
for
their
participation
in
this,
but
also
our
city
staff,
our
transportation
staff
who
have
worked
hard
on
this.
Many
thanks
to
all
of
you
and
it's
long
long
awaited
and
so
I
will
be
moving.
The
staff
Rex,
but
I
and
I
will
be
supporting
councillor
holidays
motion,
which
seems
reasonable
to
me
to
make
it
fair
across
the
board.
I
will
not
be
supporting
councillor
Milady's
motion,
which
would
be
simply
impossible.
B
A
B
The
next
motion
is
councillor
holidays
again,
and
this
would
be
because
this
is
an
amendment
to
the
report.
Okay,
all
those
do
you
want
a
recorded
vote
or
just
a
vote.
Okay,
so
all
in
favor
opposed
that
carries
unanimously.
So
on
the
item,
as
recorded
vote
on
what,
on
the
item
the
item?
Okay,
the
item
as
amended
councillor
mana
ladies
asked
for
a
recorded
vote.
All.
A
B
J
Just
speak
very
briefly
about
this
and
first
I'll
go
back
to
comes
to
Mohammed
leaders.
Comments
on
the
other
motion
when
it
comes
to,
for
example,
the
stormwater
infrastructure
that
we
do
have
in
the
city.
We
certainly
don't
ask
you,
know
people
to
manage
the
pipes
that
are
underneath,
especially
when
you
have
this
sort
of
infrastructure.
Here
you
are
in
fact
replacing
them
you're.
In
fact
replacing
pipes.
J
You
don't
have
to
have
the
sort
of
pipes
that
you'd
have
to
have
before
you
don't
have
to
be
sucking
items
out
of
them
and
therefore
you
know
there's
no
reason
that
we
should
be
having
be
IAS
pick
pick
that
pickup
that
sort
of
cost
in
any
case
and
the
conversation
about
the
freight
strategy.
The
freight
strategy
in
fact,
does
not
deal
with
the
other
ways
in
which
we
can
get
goods
around
the
city,
especially
in
terms
of
the
last
mile.
J
All
of
that
is
something
that
has
been
spoken
about
by
Council
and
my
staff
at
length.
This
here
is
actually
a
cargo
bike
that
is
run
by
UPS.
It
can
old,
hold
up
to
half
a
ton
of
goods.
It's
completely
enclosed
and
a
picture
of
one
I
had
earlier
and
UPS
is
very
blunt
about
why
they
use
this
sort
of
equipment.
It's
because,
frankly,
it
saves
them
a
hell
of
a
lot
of
money.
J
They
don't
have
to
be
paying
transmission
costs,
they
don't
have
to
pay
in
gas
they're,
not
looking
for
parking
they're,
not
picking
up
parking
tickets,
it's
quite
efficient.
It
does
not
take
up
the
same
road
space
and,
in
fact
fact
offers
a
consistent
sort
of
trip.
Now.
The
only
distance
difference,
of
course
is
this,
has
a
width
of
about
1.3,
1.4
meters,
but
is
a
lot
more
practical
and
at
no
point
does
the
freight
strategy
that
we
discuss
in
the
staff
report
deal
with
this
at
any
length.
J
This
is
a
considerable
problem
because,
in
terms
of
where
we
need
to
be
moving
with
last
mile
deliveries
and
so
forth,
a
lot
of
that
is
something
called
spoken
hub.
Delivery
where
you
bring
your
goods
to
a
particular
warehouse
in
an
area
and
then
you've
able
to
get
it
out
of
the
local
through
these
sort
of
devices.
J
Now,
in
terms
specifically,
for
example,
I'll
return
to
Finch.
Briefly,
I
have,
in
fact
spoken
to
the
BIA
is
along
the
routes
to
the
businesses,
and
this
is
something
they're
quite
distres
interested
in,
because
again
it
saves
a
lot
of
money
and
again
this
is
something
the
framework
has
not
considered.
J
It
also
dovetails
really
well
with
the
RAC
residential
apartment,
commercial
zoning
discussion
that
has
been
had
and
supported
by
City
Council,
because
a
lot
of
that
discussion
effectively
says
these
tower
communities
you're
able
to
have
businesses
there.
So
I'll
speak
to
something
on
Jane
Street
at
Steel's
you
have
the
Black
Creek
community
farm,
it's
a
wonderful
place
for
people,
who've
been
there,
they
have
a
working
farm
there.
What
they
don't
have
is
a
sewer
connection,
so
that
would
cost
about
half
a
million
dollars.
J
That's
not
something
they
can
particularly
afford
and
they're
dealing
with
a
working
farm
and
when
they
have
to
deal
with
their
goods,
they
have
no
kitchen
to
process
it
in
the
new
RAC.
Zoning
would
allow
you
to
build
a
kitchen
next
door,
but
you
still
have
the
trouble
of
how
you're
getting
your
goods
there,
as
well
as
how
you're
getting
it
throughout
the
community.
This
sort
of
device
is
a
lot
cheaper
to
acquire
a
lot
cheaper
to
maintain
and
in
fact,
lowers
the
critical
fixed
costs
of
businesses.
J
So
many
countries
around
the
world,
including
the
u.s.
starting
here
there
are
several
couple
companies
who
use
them
as
much
as
is
possible
already
in
Toronto
and
there's
no
reason
we
shouldn't
be
pursuing
these
things
as
well.
So
specifically-
and
this
is
somewhat
related
to
the
last
motion-
but
in
reference
to
this
I
would
ask
that
the
committee
have
staff
do
two
things.
One
make
sure
their
make
sure.
J
The
freight
strategy
considers
cargo
trikes
like
this
as
part
of
their
framework
going
forward,
and
the
second
thing
relating
to
these
sorts
of
approaches
which
again
save
space
and
save
money,
that
integrated
green
infrastructure
be
used
as
a
stormwater
barrier
and
be
configured
to
carry
a
high
volume
of
Freight
through
local
communities.
So
that
is
all
through
the
chair
and
I'm
open
to
questions.
J
Middle
no,
no
on
bicycle
paths,
cart!
Well,
pops
that
mobility
pathways,
that
are
usable,
multiple
people.
So
it's
not
just,
certainly
not
just
cyclists.
You
know
that's
not
what
we're
talking
about
here.
Well,
we
are
actually
the
report
does
talk
about
it.
Fair
enough.
That's
know
what
I'm
talking
about
here.
It's
really
a
range
of
sort
of
things,
cargo,
bikes
and
other
things
that
can
use
the
same
infrastructure
right.
Cargo
bikes
would.
J
Also
do
that
here,
oh,
where
Toronto
yeah
they
use
them.
In
fact,
this
morning
the
Pembina
Institute
is
having
the
drop
delivery,
which
is
a
company
in
Toronto,
which
is
this
up
on
Finch
in
fact
speak
about
how
they
use
it
and
the
potential
of
businesses
and
again
this
is
something
that
I've
talked
in
and
spoken
to
all
the
BI
A's
and
all
the.
C
C
J
C
J
Well,
I
think
you
can
appreciate
for
one
that
in
something
like
that.
They
is
there's
no
way.
Anyone
is
seeing
anything
now,
of
course,
in
terms
of
what
happens
in
countries
around
the
world.
People
also
walk
in
countries
around
the
world,
and
we
consider
that
acceptable
for
that
matter.
They
also
drive
around
the
world,
but
again
I
mean
you
know.
In
terms
of
businesses,
their
goal
is
to
make
money.
The
ups
I
think
we
can
agree
is
a
very
successful
business,
which
makes
quite
a
lot
of
money
and
what
they
do
in
that
way.
J
Is
it
very
very
clear
to
state
that
they
can
carry
goods
through
this
manner
throughout
cities
and
throughout
areas
much
more
successfully?
What
it
also
does
for
people
who
need
to
take
vehicles,
especially
along
Finch,
which
is
a
high
level
freight
corridor,
as
you
know,
is
that
it
in
fact
allows
them
more
Road
space,
because
therefore
they
do
not
have
to
have
these
sorts
of
local
deliveries,
so
you
do
heating
with
their
access
to
highway.
401
would.
C
J
J
It's
a
much
much
different
discussion
when
you're
talking
about
moving
of
the
volume
of
freight,
a
measure
of
freight
out
of
a
vehicle
and
putting
it
into
a
different
sort
of
vehicle,
so
it
could,
in
some
areas
mean
that
it
might
not
necessarily
mean
that,
of
course,
but
it
also
because
you're
dealing
with
a
different
sort
of
vehicle
and
different
sort
of
calculation
does
not
inconvenience
drivers.
In
fact,
it
makes
life
a
lot
easier
people
who
do
you
need
to
do
that.
H
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B
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B
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B
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I
B
E
You
very
much
ma'am
chair
and,
if
not
mistaken,
this
item
came
forward
because
last
year,
I
did
put
a
letter
in
to
ask
for
looking
at
the
movement
of
goods
and
freight,
and
one
of
the
my
companies
in
my
area
had
very
strong
concerns
about
the
costs
of
moving
their
oversized
loads
through
city
streets
because
they
required
police
escort
worst
outside
of
the
nine
of
four
one
six
area.
It
did
not
require
police
escorts,
so
I
started
looking
at
all
I
says
and
with
the
vision,
zero
mandate
of
making
our
streets
safer.
E
It's
better
to
have
a
strategy
in
place
to
allow
our
industries
to
move
their
goods
around
in
an
efficient
manner
so
that
it
will
help
reduce
the
cost
and,
in
turn,
will
help
reduce
the
cost
of
their
goods
to
the
consumers
so
and
when
our
general
manager
of
Transportation
join
I
was
informed
that
many
other
cities
in
the
war
do
have
this
kind
of
edgy
to
help
companies
move
the
freight
around,
especially
when
there
is
a
cross
more
on.
You
know
a
lot
of
a
goose
come
through
the
st.
Lawrence
River
saying:
listen,
Lana
Seaway!
E
My
lord
comes
to
on
rail,
and
then
it
gets
transferred
under
trucks
and
then
gets
shipped
to
the
distribution
depots
and
so
on.
So
it
is
a
good
thing
too.
We
view
this
and
come
up
with
this
residue.
So
I
am
very
happy
that
this
is
coming
forward
and
we
just
receive
a
letter
from
tin
to
honor
industry
network.
That
fully
supports
this,
so
I
am
glad
that
this
is
moving
forward
and
I
fully
support
it.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
B
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
have
a
very,
very
brief
request
in
that
is
simply
to
ask
transportation
to
look
at
heavy
truck
prohibitions
and
residential
areas
as
part
of
their
framework
review.
It's
an
item
that
I
receive
complaints
on
from
time
to
time
about
the
movement
of
large
vehicles
through
areas
and
there's
questions
around
why
those
trucks
are
there
and
if
there's
any
opportunity
to
improve
that
system
of
prohibition,
I
hope
that
we
have
a
look
at
it.
I
talked
to
staff
they're
comfortable
with
including
this
dimension
in
their
in
their
review.
B
Thank
you
any
other
speakers,
and
so
we're
just
adding
I've
got
a
motion
to
add
the
word
industrial
councillor.
Carmichael
Grubb
alluded
to
this.
This
is
tins
request
that
we
just
even
though
the
general
manager
has
indicated
it's
really
part
and
parcel
commercial.
They
feel
more
comfortable
with
it
pulled
out.
So
I'll
do
that
on
behalf
of
councillor
Carmichael
grabbin
tin,
counselor
family
did
you
did
you
want
to
say
something.
C
He's
stupid
if
I
didn't
want
to
say
something
and
and
and
I
would
not
be
representing
the
Torontonians.
If
I
didn't
say
something
here
and
I,
don't
know
why
this
committee
isn't
seeing
what's
happening
here.
I
get
I,
get
the
concerns,
councillor
Holliday
and
others
with
respect
to
the
large
Goods
and
trucks
and
and
what's
going
on
in
our
communities.
But
don't
you
see
that
other
people
are
seeing
this
as
an
opportunity?
You
just
heard
from
staff,
that's
saying
yeah:
it
can
be
about
bicycle
lanes
yeah.
C
This
report
can
mean
commercial
goods
in
in
those
bicycle
lanes.
It
could
mean
that
our
constituents
will
be
carrying
the
mattresses
and
the
fridges
and
and
all
the
things
that
come
along
with
that
in
our
bicycle
lanes.
This
report
legitimizes
that
can't
you
see
that
you
know
I
I
really
can't
wait
for
the
next
administration,
because
I
hope
to
god
I'm
a
part
of
it,
because
I'm
gonna
eliminate
and
try
to
eliminate
everything
that
we're
doing
down
here
at
City
Hall
right
now.
It
is
ridiculous.
C
What's
going
on
with
these
bicycle
lanes
and
everything
else
associated
to
it
now,
because
we
have
given
the
go-ahead
even
on
Bloor
and
everywhere
else,
with
bicycle
lanes,
we
are
now
having
staff
saying
it's
legitimate
for
you
to
be
bringing
your
your,
your
group,
your
laundry
and
your
an
open,
open,
mattresses
and
and
fridges
and
and
everything
else
down
the
middle
of
the
street.
It
reminds
me
of
China.
C
It
reminds
me
of
any
no,
it
does,
and
it
reminds
me
of
certain
countries
in
South
America
that
just
bring
it
forward.
For
the
other
reasons
they
can't
afford
the
vehicles
so
they're
using
them.
Now
we
want
to
bring
a
third
world
country
into
the
city
Toronto.
You
know
why,
because
we've
allowed
it,
we've
opened
the
doors
to
these
bicycle
lanes
and
now
everyone
else
everyone
else
is
going
to
be
using
it
as
a
corridor
to
travel.
I
can't
wait
for
the
next
administration,
so
somebody
like
me
can
eliminate
everything
that
we're
doing
right
now.
C
B
So
we
have
a
number
of
motions
before
us.
We
have
a
number
of
motions
before
us.
We're
gonna
go
through
them
as
per
the
clerk's
order,
so
the
first
one
is
Steven
holidays,
all
those
in
favor
against
that
carries.
The
next
motion
is
I,
think
maybe
mine,
and
this
is
just
adding
the
word
industrial
to
the
first
paragraph
of
the
staff
report.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
that
carries.
Is
that
it
that's
it.
Thank
you.
So
we
are
finished.
We
will
resume
this
committee
good.