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From YouTube: Pinniped Community Meeting - October 7, 2021
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Pinniped Community Meeting - October 7, 2021
We meet every 1st and 3rd Thursday of the month at 9am PT. We'd love for you to join us live!
This week we discussed Pinniped participating in Hacktoberfest, project roadmap updates, and the Helm chart discussion from Slack. Meeting notes can be found here: https://hackmd.io/rd_kVJhjQfOvfAWzK8A3tQ?both#October-7-2021-Agenda
A
A
If
you're
watching
this
from
home,
we
would
encourage
you
to
come
and
join
us
live
we
meet
every
first
and
third
thursday
of
the
month
at
9
a.m.
Pacific
time
it's
a
good
opportunity
for
you
to
meet
the
maintainers,
hear
what
we're
working
on
provide
feedback
and
ask
any
questions
that
you
may
have
on
using
pinniped
you're
also
welcome
just
to
sit
and
listen
in
silence.
A
A
A
And
next
we
also
are
wanting
you
to
put
down
your
name
in
any
organization
that
you
represent
when
you
attend
these
meetings.
It
just
helps
us
keep
track
of
who,
from
outside
of
the
maintainers
is
joining,
and
we
want
to
keep
the
discussions
open
and
just
kind
of
learn
more
about
who
is
using,
pin
ipad.
A
A
Next
up
we
have
some
announcements,
just
a
reminder
that
pinniped
has
a
few
talks
surrounding
kubecon
and
cloudnaticon.
Next
week
we
have
the
one
that's
on
friday
october
15th
at
2,
30
p.m,
pacific
time
your
you
can
watch
it
either
virtually
or
if
you're
attending
in
person
you
can
watch
it
then
as
well.
A
It's
everything
wrong
with
the
kubernetes
authentication
and
how
we
worked
around
it
mo
and
margo
go
kind
of
more
in
depth
on
pinniped
and
and
why
we
built
it
and
how
to
use
it
and
kind
of
all
the
the
the
nitty
gritty
stuff
with
that
it
should
be
very
informative
if
you're
really
interested
in
learning
more
about
pinniped
and
the
next
up.
B
C
Right,
a
quick
question:
do
you
happen
to
know
if
attending
kubecon
virtually
what
the
cost
is
if
you're
not
like
a
deployed
by
like.
C
A
Yeah
75
bucks
to
attend
virtually
and
then,
if
you
want
to
attend
in
person,
there's
a
few
rates
here,
if
you're
an
individual
that
doesn't
work
for
a
company
that
is
paying
for
your
way,
then
it's
700
academic,
if
you're
a
student,
150
bucks
and
then,
if
you're
you
know
attending
on
behalf
of
a
company
that
is
paying
for
your
your
ride.
It's
1550
bucks.
A
D
Yeah,
so
this
is
work.
We
have
in
progress
to
make
sure
that
when
you
refresh
your
token
with
pinniped,
then
we
we
check
back
with
your
external
idp.
So
if
your
octa
session
has
expired
or
you're,
you
know,
google
or
anything
else
then
make
sure
to
keep
that
in
sync.
A
How's
the
work
coming
along
for
that
is
it
looking
good
to
be
released
by
mid-october
end
of
october.
D
Probably
closer
to
end
of
october,
just
because
well
next
week
oh
and
I
will
be
at
kubecon
yeah,
so
it's
definitely
not
happening
next
week.
Yeah
next
week's
a
bit
of.
A
C
D
A
Okay,
that's
just
some
good
information
for
anyone
who's
wondering
about
when
to
expect
that.
So
thank
you.
A
C
I
can
talk
to
it
if
you
just
if
you
want
me
to
do
that.
Yeah.
C
Pin
it's
on
the
kubernetes
slack,
so
anyone
can
go
and
look
at
the
actual
contents,
but
we
had
a
individual
asked
some
questions
in
slack
yesterday.
You
know
they
were
having
some
config
issues.
We
helped
them
sort
it
out
and
just
it's
the
usual
way
to
see
the
pain
kind
of
deal.
C
Everything
was
fine,
though
they
they
got
their
idp
hooked
up
like
they
wanted.
I
guess
they
were
happy
with
it
because
then
they
asked
hey.
Can
I
make
the
pr
you
make
a
helm
chart.
C
And
that
started
a
discussion
with
another
individual
chimed
in
saying
that
you
know
hey,
you
know,
carl
and
all
that
stuff
is
great,
but
I
would
love
to
use
a
home
chart,
that's
what
my
company
uses,
etc.
C
I
did
some
searching
through
our
slack
channel
for
the
string
helm
to
find
all
the
other
people
in
the
past
that
have
mentioned
it
in
some
capacity
and
I
sort
of
cc
been
on
there.
I
think
that
puts
us
at
least
five
people
within
our
community
that
have
either
written
their
own
home,
charts
or
requested
that
we
have
a
helm
chart
and
in
in
that
slack
thread
there
are
at
least
two
examples.
So
two
separate
individuals
have
written
their
home
charts
and
posted
them
online
somewhere.
C
So
we
have
two
at
least
examples
there
of
that
being
in
me,
let's
see
what
else
so
the
we
we
had
had
an
issue
a
long
time
ago
on
github
that
someone
had
asked
about
this
and
we
ended
up
sort
of
closing
it.
C
Well,
it
makes
it
near
technically
impossible
for
someone
to
make
a
pr
that
actually
is
tested,
certainly
make
a
pr
that
they
have
tested
locally,
but
they
can't
make
that
vr
that's
tested
in
our
pipelines.
So
that's
a
little
that's
a
little.
It
wouldn't
be
good,
wouldn't
sort
of
match
the
rest
of
the
project.
C
So
you
know
I
brought
this
up
because
I
didn't
know
what
we
wanted
to
do.
Obviously
we
could
do
nothing
to
what
we're
currently
doing
we
could.
C
C
C
We
could
maybe
have
something
like
have
a
ci
flow.
That's
like
adds
on
to
our
current
ci
flow,
but
it's
like
based
off
of
github
actions
so
that
the
cines
of
it
lives
in
the
main
repo,
and
thus
you
could
make
a
pr
and
also
update
that
ci
thing
and
thus
also
get
validated,
and
thus
it
will
meet
the
requirements
that
you
need
to
test
stuff
that
you
put
in
this
project.
C
It
would
be
kind
of
weird
because
then
we'd
have
like
two
ci
systems,
or
maybe
it's
not
that
big
of
a
deal
because
it'll
just
be
like
some
ammo
or
whatever
jacob
actions,
users,
you
know,
but
yeah
those
those
are
sort
of.
I
think
the
high
level
thoughts
I
had
I
I
do.
I
do
get
the
sense
that
there
is
a
need
and
desire
for
this
to
exist.
You
know
people
are
willing
to
go,
write
their
own
and
sort
of
suffer
through
it.
C
And
I
do
think
over
over
the
lifetime
of
the
project,
we
have
technically
made
it
a
little
bit
harder
because
our
deployment
yaml
has
gotten
more
and
more
special,
like
we've
added,
more
and
more
nuanced
features
and
and
to
be
fair,
I
you
know,
I
plan
on
further
continuing
that
trend
right,
there's,
there's
a
ton
of
things
that
we
could
do
to
our
deployment
animal
to
better
indicate
to
the
cubelet,
how
to
help
checklist
and
how
to
liveness
check
us
and
how
to
upgrade
us
and
those
types
of
things,
and
I
would
want
other
members
of
the
community
to
inherit
those
instead
of
like
being
on
some
random
fork,
helm
chart
that
has
like
a
deployment
from
like
the
zero
centimeters
or
something,
but
that's
kind
of
the
high
level
of
it.
D
Hard
for
me
to
estimate
exactly
what
that
support
burden
would
be
like
if
we
just
said
you
know,
picked
a
bullet
and
said:
hey
we're
going
to
actually
fully
support
this
and
we're
going
to
have
all
these
tests.
I
think
it's
it's
its
own
kind
of
different
syntax
from
deep
ctl
or
ytt.
So
we
need
to
kind
of
understand
that
third
way
of
writing
everything
and
continually
update
it
when,
if
it
changes
or
when
helm,
changes.
C
Yeah,
the
the
the
only
thing
that
sort
of
made
me
vaguely
even
considered
like
you
have
access
things
was
the
fact
that
today,
with
cube
ctl,
we're
kind
of
we
cheat
a
little
bit
because
we
say:
hey
we're
just
going
to
render
the
defaults
with
ypt
and
just
tell
qtl
to
apply
it,
but
we
don't.
We
don't
do
any
validation
of
any
tweaking
of
that
yammer
with
tipsy
tail
we
just
kind
of-
and
I
think
that's
fine.
I
don't
think
that's
a
big
deal.
C
We
want
to
replicate
that
in
helm,
not
really
sure
how
we
validate
that
any
of
that
works
yeah.
We
would
run
it
and
hope
it
doesn't
immediately
crash,
but
you
know
you
could
you
could
forget
to
wire
the
replicas
and
it
would
not
crash
right
like
so.
It
would
run
with
whatever
number
of
rep,
because
probably
one
or
something
so
I
have
concerns
there
because
we're
not
home
users
right
like
I
don't
I
don't
have
anything
for
or
against
how
I'm
just
in
the
sourcing
way.
C
F
F
F
F
Maybe
it's,
maybe
that's
not
a
concern
anymore.
The
concern
would
be.
Can
we
come
up
with
a
way
to
make
sure
that
if
we
do
an
official
helm
chart
that
it
stays
kind
of
in
sync,
with
our
ytt
manifest
that
you
know
all
the
knobs
that
we
offer
on
itt
release
the
ones
that
we
care
to
offer
and
how
we
offer
them
and
they
work
correctly,
meaning
that
they
render
the
right
yaml
at
the
end
of
the
day
correctly.
F
So
I
wonder
if
we
can
write
some
kind
of
if
we
do
want
to
support
home,
because
it
does
seem
like
there
is
some
signal
from
the
community
that
we
didn't
have
before
that
people
are
interested.
But
you
know
more
than
just
one
person
like
quite
a
few
people
for
us,
at
least
in
the
scale
of
our
community.
F
Five
people
is
a
strong
signal,
so
I
wonder
if
there's
some
way
we
could,
if
we
do
want
to
do
the
work,
come
up
with
some
kind
of
unit
tests
to
say,
like
I
render
the
ytt
with
these
knobs,
I
render
the
helm
with
these
knobs
and
what
I
end
up
with
is
effectively
the
same
yellow,
but
something
like
that
might
give
us
the
confidence
that
we're
doing
it
right
that
we
can
continue
to
do
it
right
in
the
future
and
of
course
we
wanted
probably
similar
to
what
we
were
doing
recently
or
I
think
margot
did
with
cube
cuddles
we've
added
some
tests
to
our
ci
to
make
sure
that
we're
deploying
with
kubecuttle
and
that
we
could
run
the
integration
tests
against
something
that
was
deployed
with
coop
cuddle
and
everything
works.
F
Fine.
I
guess
we
want
to
do
the
same
thing
with
home
and
for
context
for
people
watching
the
video
normally
in
ci
we
deploy
with
cap,
which
is
one
of
the
carvel
tools
for
deployment
similar
to
group
cuddle,
but
has
some
nice
fancy
options?
What
margaret
did
recently
was
make
sure
we're
also
testing
what
is
google.
F
B
It
be
whatever
just
as
another
option,
possibly
because
they
do
have
an
entire
ci
system,
protecting
their
home
charts
internally
as
well,
and
that
burden
could
be
taken
off
of
the
pitiful
event,
possibly
and
still
getting
a
relatively
official
chart.
F
F
Idea,
scott,
you
may
or
may
not
be
surprised
to
know
that
we
don't
really
know
the
bitnami
folks,
even
though
we're
at
the
same
company,
it's
a
big
big
company,
although
we've
interacted
with
them
a
little
bit
like
I've,
submitted
a
pull
request
against
one
of
their
container
images,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
them
are
based
in
europe.
So
there's
a
time
zone
challenge.
I
think
that's
a
good
idea,
something
we
could.
We
could
reach
out
to
that
team.
B
I
mean
I
can
also,
I
know
a
lot
of
the
charts
are
added
there
just
from
issues
on
their
github
of
whatever
of
you
know,
requesting
a
chart.
I
think
it
may
be
a
way
to
start
is
just
by
having
a
community
thread.
I
can
open
up
an
issue
there
even
and
then
we
can
whatever
just
add
that
into
the
slack
thread
and
have
anyone
that's
interested
in
it
ping
there
as
well
on
the
issue
and
maybe
through
community
request.
It
may
also
happen
through
the
vietnamese.
F
Thanks
scott,
that
actually
kind
of
makes
me
think
of
one
more
small
thing,
which
is
somebody
volunteered
to
do
the
work
and,
as
mo
pointed
out,
we
aren't
set
up
yet
for
that
person
to
do
the
ci
work,
but
we
could,
potentially,
you
know,
think
about
some.
What
what
would
our
requirements
be
if
we
wanted
to
do
our
own
helm
charts
like?
Would
our
requirement
be
that
we
specif
that
we
have
exactly
the
same
knobs
between
ytt
and
home,
for
example?
Or
could
we
drop
some,
but
whatever
our
requirements
are?
F
If
we
shared
them
with
that
person,
maybe
they
would
want
to
do
the
work
and
then
we
would
just
have
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
accept
that
work
like
how?
How
do
we
add
it
to
ci?
How
do
we
make
sure
we
feel
that
we
can
test
it
and
make
it
going
forward
because
they'll
do
the
initial
work,
but
that's
no
promise
that
they'll
come
back
and
keep
it
maintained
to
every
time
you
make
a
change.
That'll
be
nice.
C
All
right,
so,
if
I
understand
the
suggestion
ryan,
it
would
be
that
if
we
can
nail
down
the
set
of
requirements
for
the
for
lack
of
a
better
term
for
the
production
side
of
the
helm
chart,
we
we
could
directly
have
a
community
member
do
that
work.
And
then
we
would
take
the
non-production
site,
the
maintenance
burden
and
the
ci
style
stuff,
because
that's
sort
of
still
in
our
area
of
influence
and
control.
Right
now,.
C
And
you
know
it
could
be
something
as
simple
as
you
know,
we
I,
if
they
if
they
were
able
to
meet
those
requirements
and
then
we
could
merge
them
in
and
then
but
purposely
not
do
a
release
until
after
we
have
the
ci
stuff
ready
and
then
or
at
least
a
release
that
has
those
artifacts
available
until
we
have
the
ci
stuff
nailed
down
in
this,
I
like
the
idea
of
allowing
a
community
member
to
be
involved
if
they
want
to
be
involved,
and
while
I
might,
you
know,
put
a
higher
burden
on
like
one
of
us
like
don't
write
stuff
without
tests,
I
don't
necessarily
as
long
as
the
tests
do
get
written.
F
It
sounds
like
we
have
a
few
different
avenues
to
explore
right
scott
had
to
get
some
folks
and
see
if
they'd
be
interested
in
maintaining
such
a
thing.
We
had
to
explore
trying
to
guide
someone
from
the
community
who's
interested
in
contributing
it
so
that
we
can
work
with
them
to
do
the
testing
part
explore.
Do
it
all
ourselves,
it
might
not
be
that
hard,
just
adding
the
additional
maintenance
burden.
That's
the
initial
work
might
not
be
very
much.
F
E
Yeah
I
I
do
like
the
bitnami
suggestion
to
be
honest.
If
we
can
pursue
that,
I
think
you
know
more
more
contributions
that
come
to
us.
That
would
be
great,
so
I'm
leaning
more
towards
it,
but
of
course,
happy
to
explore
the
other
two
options.
A
Okay
sounds
like
we
have
kind
of
concluded
this.
Is
there
anything
else
to
discuss
further.
A
So
it
sounds
like
one
of
the
action
items
is
scott
you're
going
to
touch
base
reach
out
to
bitnami.
B
Yeah
I'll
open
up
a
issue
there
and
then
also
send
the
link
to
the
issue
in
the
slack
conversation
so
that
people
can
comment
there
and
you
know
thumbs
up
the
issue
so
that
they
get
some
traffic
traction
on
that.
And
I
know
that
there
have
been
a
few
that
have
been
added
into
vietnam
explorer
where
they
say.
We
can't
do
the
initial
leg
room,
but
we
will
maintain
it
after
so
that
baby
also
away
for
the
community
member
who
said
that
he
would
be
willing.
F
B
That
initial
work
would
be
possibly
you
know
the
you
guys
sitting
down
with
him
deciding
what
those
requirements
would
be
of
that
helm
chart.
He
could
do
the
initial
work
create
a
pr
for
them
if
they're
willing
to
through
the
issue
through
the
conversation
there,
and
then
you
know
they
can
maintain
it
from
that
point.
B
Possibly
so
I'll
get
that
out
a
bit
later
today
and
then
pick
that
on
slack.
C
Awesome,
thank
you.
If
I,
this
is
a
mo
is
a
new.
I
just
maybe
scott
knows
better
than
us
sky.
Do
you
think
it
would
be
easy
enough
to
have
the
api
group
suffix
stuff
somehow
worked
in
so
the
our
cap
stuff
has
some
magic
very,
very.
B
Easy
to
do
actually,
because
the
one
issue
that
you
have
is
that
everything
has
to
be
just
a
variable,
but
it's
not
difficult
to
add
that
in
through
go
templating,
because
in
the
end,
helm
is
a
not
yellow,
aware
being
not
kubernetes
aware
in
terms
of
templating,
it's
just
hexaware.
B
So
if
you
just
have
a
default
value
which
would
be
in
the
values
ammo
of
what
the
api
suffix
should
be
by
default,
all
the
user
would
need
to
do
is
change
the
default
value
there.
B
Updated
in
every
single
gamma
that
you
templated
out
using
no
templating.
C
Okay,
cool
that
that's
what
I
thought
also
looking
at
their
list.
They
have
contour
on
there
and
concourse,
so
it
seems
like
a
good
place
where
we
could
have
like.
I
don't
see
any
pinniped
in
the
p
section.
B
C
B
Ypt
manifest
and
they
seem
to
be
maintained
by
the
big
nami
team,
though
so
I
think
that
it
definitely
makes
sense
to
be
there.
It
does
mean.
Also,
though-
and
this
is
you
know-
one
thing
is
that,
once
it's
not
released
together
with
pinniped,
that
means
that
it
will
always
trail
behind.
B
You
know
the
contour
there
I
think
usually
comes
out
about
a
week
or
so
after
contour
is
released.
So
that's
something
that
users
would
need
to
know,
but
I
think
that
that's
a
reasonable.
You
know
limitation
and
just
pointing
towards
the
vietnamese
palm.
F
B
If
this
happens
in
the
documentation
of
pinniped-
and
you
know
at
that
point
people-
you
know
just
go
to
vietnam,
if
there's
an
issue
with
the
chart,
so
I
think
that's
definitely.
I
think
it
would
be
cool
to
have,
because
that
also
means
to
get
that
into
cube
app
and
things
like
that
which
people
then
have
a
ui
to
deploy
it
into
their
clusters,
and
can
you
know,
do
some
special
things
in
that
case
as
well,
so
it
adds
some.
F
A
All
right
so
yeah,
thank
you,
everyone
for
today's
community
meeting.
Thank
you,
scott,
for
your
participation.
As
always,
and
all
your
help,
we
really
appreciate
you
and,
if
you're
watching
this
from
home
again,
we
would
love
to
have
you
join
us,
live
and
learn
more
about
you
and
your
usage
of
pinniped
and
hopefully
you'll
become
an
active
member
of
our
community.