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Full Meeting Notes: https://hackmd.io/CiuO4V0AT6WL_TgA47MXBA
- Welcome and Objective
- Announcements
- Meet the kpack team
- PM Updates
- Engineering Updates
- Advocacy Updates
A
Good
afternoon,
everyone
today
is
wednesday
february
2nd.
It
is
our
first
community
meeting
for
the
month
of
february
and
we're
excited
to
have
you
here.
Give
me
a
second.
I
will
share
my
screen,
so
we
can
all
collectively
look
at
our
agenda
if
you're
here
and
want
to
add
your
name
to
the
attendees
list.
Please
do
so
up
at
the
top
there.
I've
dropped
the
hackmd
link
in
the
chat.
A
So
our
welcome
welcome
happy
lunar
new
year,
thanks
for
being
here
at
our
community
meeting,
I'm
just
every
wednesday,
I'm
so
excited
to
see.
All
of
you
show
up
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
another
great
meeting.
A
The
objective
of
our
community
meetings
is
to
give
you
an
update
about
the
project,
the
roadmap,
how
things
are
going
with
engineering
essentially
to
give
you
updates
and
announcements
so
that
you
understand
what's
coming
up
next
and
then
on
the
week
after
our
community
meetings,
we
have
our
office
hours,
which
is
an
open
format
for
you
to
come
and
get
your
questions
answered.
We're
going
to
start
off
with
some
announcements.
First.
Is
that
a
reminder
that
we
have
our
adopters.md
file
there?
A
I
want
to
thank
scott,
carlos
and
robert
for
opening
prs
against
that
adopters
file
to
get
our
first
adopters
added
to
the
tons
of
community
edition
repo,
hopefully
we'll
work
out
everything
and
get
those
prs
merged
soon.
Community,
shout
outs:
this
is
everyone
who
submitted
and
had
prs
merged
in
the
month
of
january.
So
thank
you
to
all
of
you.
You
can
click
each
of
those
links
and
see
those
pr's
that
folks
have
added
so
for
those
that
might
have
missed
it.
A
B
Hi
everyone,
my
name
is
tom.
I
work
on
kpac.
I
think
I'm
the
only
one
here
from
the
kpac
team,
but
for
those
who
don't
know,
kpac
is
basically
a
project
that
takes
advantage
of
cloud
native,
build
packs
and
allows
you
to
build
oci
images
using
using
build
packs
in
kubernetes.
B
We
are
a
small
team
of
of
four
engineers
and
a
product
manager.
I
guess
I
will
say
we
do
have
working
groups
every
tuesday
at
10
a.m,
eastern
time,
and
we
have
a
slack
in
both
the
build
packs
slack
and
the
k-pack
slack.
If
anyone
ever
has
any
questions
or
wants
to
chat
about
anything,
k-pac
related
yeah,
that's
where
you'll
find
us
is
there
anything
else,
nigel
that
you
wanted
me
to
talk
about.
A
No
tom,
I
think,
that's
great
and
if
folks
want
to
have
a
look
at
what
we
have
in
the
hackmd,
there
was
a
pretty
great
demo
from
tom,
where
you
can
find
all
of
the
code
there.
I
have
it
linked
there,
the
repository
for
tom's
demo,
and
then
we
had
a
thread
during
the
office
hours
that
answered
a
lot
of
questions
and
had
a
pretty
lively
discussion
about
the
project
and
what
to
do
with
it.
So
I
would
encourage
you
to
check
out
those
two
things.
B
For
the
feedback
during
the
after
the
demo,
that
was
very,
very
helpful.
We
took
that
back
and
synthesized
it
and
planning
how
we
work
on
things
based
on
a
lot
of
that
feedback.
So
thank
you.
A
Yeah,
it
was
great
to
see
so.
Hopefully
we
get
a
lot
more
feedback,
a
lot
more
synergy
between
the
tce
users
to
get
kpac
working
better
for
everyone.
So
thanks
again
tom
for
being
here
thanks
for
the
demo
last
week
and
for
the
intro
to
the
team.
Just
now,
we've
got
a
lot
of
updates
from
our
about
our
road
map,
so
I
want
to
hand
it
over
to
our
product
manager,
roger.
C
C
C
But
luckily,
luckily
I
already
have
it
up,
so
I
don't
have
to
worry
about
it.
I
think.
A
Do
I
hug
apps
to
the
github
folks
right
now
trying
to
figure
out
what's
going
on.
D
D
C
Okay
cool,
so
this
is
just
an
update
to
the
roadmap.amd
in
the
root
of
the
project.
We've
added
we've
made
some
changes.
D
C
The
format
well,
why
don't?
I
just
talk
through
it
instead
of
time
frames,
which
are
you
know
as
unreliable
as
in
many
road
maps?
You
know
they
all
have
the
disclaimer
about
not
a
commitment
and
time
frames
can
change
and
so
on.
Since
that's
true,
we
thought
that
what
would
be
at
least
as
meaningful
to
people
in
looking
at
the
project
is
the
state
or
stage
in
the
process
of
the
item
you
know
is
it
just
submitted
is?
Was
it
just
submitted?
Is
it
waiting?
Is
it
awaiting
a
proposal?
C
Has
the
proposal
been
accepted
and
waiting
for
us
to
schedule
and
resource
it?
Is
it
in
process,
so
we
will
mark
things
as
a
waiting
proposal
proposal
and
review
and
implementation
and
process.
C
C
This
was
this
was
last
updated,
I
think
about
what
josh
about
20
minutes
ago
and
as
before,
we'll
group
things
that
are
out
there
into
themes.
They
will
be
updated,
we're
going
to
when
it
is
targeted
for
a
release.
We
will
show
the
target
release.
Sometimes
activities
span
more
than
one
release,
so
they'll
be
shown
as
ongoing
things
that
either
are
general
groups
of
things
or
our
efforts
that
aren't
specifically
in
a
release
will
probably
show
you
know
a
phase
of
na.
C
C
C
I've
got
a
pretty
zippy
thing
here
that
it
you
know,
I
mean
I've,
seen
it
in
under
two
not
over
committing,
but
it's
cool,
and
the
idea
is
that
it
can
run
and
do
productive
things
on
consumer
hardware.
Not
just
servers.
C
So,
as
we
said,
this
is
in
progress
and
in
progress
in
this
case
means
really
that
it's
it's
at,
where
it's
likely
to
be,
and
it's
waiting
for
the
completion
of
the
release,
which
I'm
sure
josh
will
talk
about
a
little
after
this.
C
It
is
a
goal
that
we
don't
have
any
approach
in
mind
and
it
may
very
likely
be
work
that
has
to
be
done
outside
of
this
team.
So
we
can't
really,
you
know,
put
a
time
frame
around
it
to
reduce
time
to
cluster
availability
in
the
public
clouds.
We
did
a
great
version
on
you
know
with
unmanaged
cluster
for
the
local
machines,
but
we
really
need
to
we
getting
clear
signals
that
we
need
to
reduce
time
to
cluster
availability
on
in
the
clouds
as
well.
You
know
private
and
public.
C
One
upcoming
in
the
next
release
is
as
of
right.
Now
you
can
take
a
tce
cluster
and
attach
it
to
tons
of
mission
control,
which
means
you
can
do
some
management
functions
in
it.
But
you
can't
do
life
cycle
management
and
in
version
0.11
it
will
be
registerable,
which
means
that
you
can
register
management
server
and
have
it
control
the
management,
server
and
all
of
its
workload
clusters.
C
C
I
mean
right
now,
I'm
going
to
say
some
some
concepts,
they're,
not
specific
steps,
but
by
simplifying
by
using
more
likely
defaults
on
each
platform
by
not
having
forms
basically
not
having
a
ui
that,
while
you
know,
while
it
looks
great,
it
is
sort
of
like
filling
in
the
blanks
in
yaml
and
we
should
be
able
to
make
more
reasonable
defaults
for
defaults
and
assumptions,
for
you
know
like,
according
to
the
80
20
rule
and
get
a
lot
of
the
conceptual
clutter
out
of
people's
early
experiences.
C
C
This
is,
you
know
not
an
exhaustive
list
of
issues
that
are
in
the
that
are
in
in
the
repo,
because,
of
course,
that
would
take
us
about
two
hours
to
talk
about,
but
any
questions
or
anything
that
you've
been
involved
with.
That
you
think,
needs
higher
focus
that
isn't
here.
E
The
only
thing
that
I
might
say
is,
and
we've
talked
complained
about
no
given
constructive
feedback
about
this
before,
which
is
the
idea
of
a
meta
package
that
like
I
can
basically
say-
and
I
don't
see
it
listed
here,
but
I
and
I
actually
think
it's
really
for
adoption
purposes-
is
huge,
especially
within
the
developer
community,
that
I
can
say
I
want
a
developer
cluster
and
that
installs
contour
that
installs
the
it
installs
harbor
and
installs
or
some
sort
of
registry
like
it
something
where
I
can
just
say.
E
C
I
think
we're
going
to
see
it
the
first
time
we're
likely
to
see
it
is
also
probably
0.11,
with
the
arrival
of
some
more
developer
packages
they're
also
in
either
that
release
or
the
following
release
will
be
a
let's
call
it
a
meta
package
for
to
support
developer,
workflows.
F
Yeah,
no
thanks
steve
for
bringing
that
up,
there's
actually
a
design
dock
proposal
for
specifically
the
meta
package
capability
available
in
in
the
tc
repo
right
now.
The
application
platform,
I
think,
you'll
see
so
down
there
in
rogers
roadmap
as
one
of
the
items
that
is
sort
of
planned
to
come.
I
I
was
literally
just
started
this
meeting,
creating
a
pr
to
like
share
the
links
of
those
proposals
to
rogers
roadmap
and
then
github
went
down
so
that
couldn't
happen.
F
But
the
the
meta
package
proposal
is
very
generic
and
while
one
of
the
scenarios
that's
going
to
be
used
with
the
application
platform
is
in
a
sort
of
a
developer
scenario,
it
can
very
well
be
leveraged
in
various
other
combinations
by
other
users
who
would
want
to
create
a
package
of
a
meta
package
of
like
observability
tools
or
operator,
centric,
tooling,
and
and
so
that
proposal
is
very
generic
and
so
that
we
can
leverage
it
in
multiple
ways
in
pce.
F
C
I
did
not
speak
about
what
our
life
cycle
for
kubernetes
packages
is
because
there's
still
some
alignment
to
be
done
on
that,
especially
since
right
now
our
ability
to
be
out
of
sync
with
kubernetes
is
dependable
or
is
dependent.
I
should
say
on
some
work
that
is
being
planned
and
should
be
underway
soon
to
uncouple
some
of
the
interlocking
between
tonsu
community
edition
and
thompson
kubernetes
grid,
but
that
will
rear
its
head
in
this
section.
C
When
we're
really
ready
to
talk
about
it,
we,
the
two
areas,
we're
looking
at
now,
are
first
of
all
air
gap
support,
and
we
call
we
call
this
category
limited
internet.
It
ranges
from
proxies
to
full
air
gap
and
I
think
a
first
step.
If
I
can
find
somebody
who
can
do
it
soon,
would
be
simply
to
test
the
air
gap
documentation
for
tkg
against
tce.
We
want
to
simplify
from
there,
but
that's
a
great
first
step.
C
We
haven't
done
anything
with
it
yet,
but
it's
it
has
been
raised
to
us
by
people,
and
it's
pretty
important,
and
the
other
is
just
an
ongoing,
is,
is
just
being
able
to
be
sure
that
we
have
end-to-end
tests
that
are
meaningful
across
all
providers
and
that
everything
gets
tested
everywhere.
It
needs
to
be
questions
there.
A
Hey
roger
in
the
interest
of
time,
can
we
like
do
this?
I'm
moving.
C
Along
okay,
so
package
library,
basically
we
want
to
recruit.
You
know
just
work
to
priorities
things
we
can
bring
in
and
also
support
our
both
the
community
and
software
vendors
in
carmel
packaging,
their
packages
to
be
used
with
tce.
C
This
is
the
issue
I
talked
about
before
about
making
changes
to
allow
us
to
separate
some
of
these
key
resources
from
tkg
and
then
be
able
to
move
to
be
really
fully
upstream
of
tkg
and
then
in
the
domain
of
the
application
platform
having
a
installable
environment
with
the
pre-configured
tools.
I
think
this
talks
to
what
you
receive
have
the
the
tools
and
processes
and
documentation
for
package
contribution
and
maintenance.
C
I
don't
know
josh.
Do
you
want
to
say
anything
about
that
very
quickly?.
C
No,
I
think
that
covers
it,
just
okay
cool
and
finally,
we
are
working
with
the
bitnami
folks
to
or
conversations
with
the
vietnamese
folks
that
should
that
we
hope
turns
to
work
soon
to
expose
through
cube
apps
the
the
packages
in
bitnami
library
and
have
them
be
manageable
in
a
compatible
way
to
packages
in
the
repo
that
is
either
either
cube.
Apps
will
deal
with
both
film
charts
and
cargo
packages
or
bitnami
will
also
add
packaging
as
carpet
packages,
and
then
there's
some
other
areas
that
are
just
general.
C
The
first
one
is
sort
of
redundant.
I
can
fix
that
which
is
again
reducing
the
bootstrap
time
and
resources.
Another
issue
that's
been
raised
by
a
few
people
on
the
issue
link
is
there
is
being
able
to
have
cluster
api
providers
be
done
out
of
tree
and
pluggable
into
the
standard
distribution.
C
And
finally,
we
have
had
a
fair
number
of
requests,
especially
for
mac
users
for
arm
either
worker
nodes
or
workload
clusters
and
we're
dependent
on
some
work.
That's
upstream
of
us,
so
we
can't
really
schedule
it,
but
that's
you
know
we
would
like
to
get
on
like
to
be
able
to
run
on
first
of
all,
footstep
from
and
then
run
locally
on,
macs
that
are
newer
than
a
year
and
a
half
old.
A
Awesome,
thank
you
roger.
What
should
folks,
how
should
folks
give
feedback
if
they
would
like
to.
C
A
Yeah
I'll
open
a
discussion
for
it
and
we'll
direct
folks.
There,
yeah
okay.
C
A
Okay,
so
next
up,
we've
got
our
engineering
update
so
I'll
hand
it
over
to
josh.
G
We
are
actively
validating
what
will
be
the
v010
release,
can't
wait
to
get
that
out
to
y'all,
hopefully
in
a
week
or
so
we'll
be
going
we're
going
to
release
engineering
validation.
Now,
there's
some
promotion
stuff.
We
have
to
to
get
done.
So,
if
you're
not
aware,
this
has
been
heavily
delayed,
we've
learned
a
ton
of
stuff
about
how
to
release
software
in
the
open
and
we're
hoping
future
releases
will
go
a
little
bit
smoother
than
this
psych.
G
To
get
that
out
to
you
all,
both
with
all
the
package
updates
and
the
unmanaged
cluster
model.
Our
proposal
updates
are
pretty
light.
This
week
we
did
have
the
kpac
introduction,
which
many
of
you
have
already
heard
about.
So
that's
a
proposal
that
is
fully
completed
and
implemented.
Thank
you
so
much
kpac
team
and
tom,
especially
for
shepherding
that,
through
with
very
little
guidance
and
as
a
reminder,
we
have
a
request
for
comments
open
for
how
we
plan
to
improve
the
visibility
of
management
and
workload.
G
G
We
have
some
stuff
about
how
the
tanzu
cli
can
be
used
in
the
context
of
both
tce
and
tkg,
without
overwriting
and
killing
your
whole
environment,
and
we've
got
this
ui
thing
that
roger
was
alluding
to
to
help
people
on
ramp,
so
lots
and
lots
of
cool
stuff
coming
soon
and
I'll
have
an
update
for
you
next
office
hours.
That's
it.
A
H
Hey
yeah,
so
the
recordings
for
korra's
kpak,
talk
and
scott's
tons
of
communication
and
carvel
talk
are
now
on
youtube.
This
friday,
cora
and
whitney,
I
believe,
are
doing
a
tgik
session
on
kpac
and
then
on
february,
8th.
So
next
tuesday
we
have
a
tap
overview
which
last
I
checked
scott
mentioned
he's
here,
so
you
can
say
if
I'm
wrong,
but
mentioned
that
times,
communication
would
be
involved
in
that
as
well.
There's
also
one
on
february
22nd,
but
that
pr
is
in
the
works
right
now.
A
Awesome
thanks
so
much
that
does
it
for
all
of
the
updates
that
we
have
for
our
community
meeting
this
week.
I
want
to
say
again
a
huge
thank
you
to
all
of
you
for
being
here.
It
means
a
lot
that
we
have
a
community
that
is
growing
and
having
a
lot
of
active
participants,
both
submitting
prs
and
comments
and
also
coming
to
our
community
meetings
and
watching
the
recording.
So
to
all
of
you
who
came
and
all
of
you
who
are
watching
the
recording.