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A
A
So
welcome
everyone,
so
this
is
a
call
which
we
don't
have
lead
today.
Unfortunately,
so
you've
got
me
again
and
the
purpose
of
today
is
to
go
through
this
document
and
hopefully
chat
through
what
are
obviously
the
tax
implications
which
we've
previously
been
raised
in
this
call,
and
hopefully
we've
got
some
solutions
to
now
in
this
document
and
they
obviously
have
implication
for
everybody
involved.
A
So
this
is
the
last
of
I
think
the
major
outstanding
issues.
So,
if
we're
all
happy
with
this
today,
then
the
next
step
would
be
to
just
get
this
in
in
the
same
form
into
the
spec
and
the
spec
will
then
be
updated
with
this
and
the
last
of
the
of
the
Peruvian
from
the
previous
calls
the
last
of
the
changes
we
hadn't
mentioned
there
to
my
plan
before
this
call
was
to
get
a
spec
ready.
A
As
you
can
see
from
the
size
of
this
document,
it
turns
out
that
the
remaining
changes
for
the
tax
issues-
nine
pages,
so
I
thought
rather
than
circulating
something
enormous,
with
even
even
more
enormous,
with
nine
pages
of
useful
stuff
in
there
thought
this
might
be
better
to
focus
our
attention
on
and
then,
if
we
got
agreement
on
this
and
everything
else
in
the
spec
I
think
we've
already
talked
through
at
length
so
yeah.
So
my
plan
in
terms
of
agenda
run
through
this
at
the
various
sections
of
this
document
anyone's
got
any
comments.
A
You're
looking
at
the
document
at
the
moment,
you
may
have
it
up
on
your
on
your
other
screen.
Then
please
do
feel
free
to
comment
in
the
doc
while
we're
talking
it
through
or
otherwise.
I
can
comment
in
here
or
we
all
and
make
notes
and
follow
up
afterwards
and
add
those
comments
in
then
so
without
further
ado,
then,
just
to
start
to
talk
about
broken
modes,
which
is
what
this
this
part
of
the
document
is
Nick.
B
A
Right
sorry,
I'm
sting
me
this
party,
that's
the
bigger
that
goes.
Okay,
so
we've
got.
We've
got
this
the
concept
to
the
cellar
broken
and
a
customer.
If
you've
been
following
this
previously
you'll
be
familiar
with
these
terms.
They're
from
schema.org.
The
broker
which
is
crossed
out
lovingly
is
the
is
the
middle
man.
B
B
A
The
suggestion
that
you
put
in
here
so
I'll
just
reject
your
suggestion.
Then
thank
you.
Okay,
sorry,
that's
all
right,
and
so
so
the
the
broker
is
between
this.
The
seller
and
the
customer,
and
this
conversation
is
that
there's
various
ways
that
that
works
in
terms
of
contracts
and
tax
and
different
roles
that
that
broke,
you
can
take.
The
two
main
roles
are
called
reseller,
which
is
this
diagram
just
here,
and
the
agent,
which
is
this
diagram
here
and
so
to
kind
of
explain.
A
What's
going
on
here
with
these
two
diagrams,
the
broker
in
the
middle
has
to
decide
how
the
contracts
work
between
the
seller
and
the
customer
on
either
side
and
and
so
starting
with
the
reseller.
This
is
really
the
simplest
one
in
the
reseller
model,
the
reseller
buys
the
thing
whatever
the
thing
is
from
the
seller
and
then
owns
it
and
then
maybe
a
split
second
later
or
maybe
minutes
later
or
weeks
later.
A
It
will
then
resell
that
thing
squash
call
whatever
it
is
to
the
customer,
and
this
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
happens
when
you
have
reserved
theater
tickets
and
books
by
a
tour
company,
and
then
they
get
sold
on
to
the
customers.
But
the
main
thing
here
is
as
soon
as
they're
booked.
They
can't
be
sold
to
anybody
else
because,
of
course
the
reseller
buys
those
pays.
A
You
Jim
does
this
in
some
cases,
with
some
with
some
providers,
it's
more
rare
I
think
it
would
be
fair
to
say
in
in
in
what's
likely
to
be
the
case
with
a
lot
of
the
Trust's
that
we're
working
with
for
reasons
I'll
come
to
explain
with
tax,
but
that's
the
principle
of
reseller
model
and
so
then
to
explain
the
agent
model
and
as
a
comparison,
so
we've
got
that
in
our
minds
as
well.
The
agent
model.
The
way
this
works
is
that
actually
what
the
agents
doing
is
facilitating
a
relationship.
A
So
with
the
broker
model,
there
was
a
there's,
a
clear:
the
agent
is
buying
a
thing
and
selling
a
thing:
the
contract
exists.
The
aid
is
heard
with
the
reseller
wood
reseller.
In
the
middle,
the
contracts
exist
with
that
reseller
with
the
agent.
The
actual
contract
for
the
activity
itself
has
nothing
to
do
with.
The
agent
is
actually
directly
between
the
customer
and
the
seller,
and
what
this
means
is
if
the
squash
courts
ten
pounds
a
ten
and
the
seller
sells
it
for
ten
pounds,
the
customer
pays
ten
pounds
now.
A
It
might
be
that
there's
a
commission
that
happens
that
Commission
is
that
right
hand
arrow,
but
that
commission
is
entirely
separate.
The
customer
doesn't
see
it
the
v80,
it's
separate
for
contractual
purposes,
it's
separate,
so
it's
a
ten-pound
transaction
all
the
agents
doing
there
is
allowing
that
to
happen
legally,
it's
between
those
two
parties
and
then
the
last
one
of
these
diagrams
is
the
without
without
a
broker
involved.
A
A
A
So
let's
say
that
they,
a
ten
pound
squash
court,
was
reduced
to
five
pounds,
because
the
agent
had
negotiated
a
deal
with
a
customer,
and
the
seller
was
happy
with
the
agent
negotiating
that
deals
five
pounds.
The
agent
would
override
that
price
from
ten
to
five,
but
the
seller
would
then
be
the
contract
would
be
between
customer
and
the
seller,
so
the
seller
would
be
saying
it's
five
pounds,
the
customer
paying
five
pounds
and
that
contractual
relationship
that
top
arrow
there
would
be
for
five
pounds.
Okay,.
B
A
Exactly
it
so
so
the
agent
won't
take
a
cut,
that's
actually
some
quite
interesting
research,
and
if
you
look
at
the
way,
that's
stripe
and
other
other
things
work.
The
stripe
doesn't
take
a
cut
actually
in
that
arrow
either,
and
so
the
way
it
works
with
with
taking
a
cut
in
inverted
commas
is
that's
actually
a
separate
contractual
relationship
which
is
called
the
internal
contractual
relationship
between
the
agent
and
the
seller.
A
And
so
the
way
that
stripe
does
this?
Actually
so
the
egos
are
aware,
if
you
look
at
stripes
tax
or
documents
in
there,
the
stripe
Commission.
Actually,
the
way
it
works
is
when
you,
when
you
pay
ten
pounds
to
stripe,
the
seller
receives
the
10
pounds
in
their
stride,
account
that
contract
is
fulfilled,
10
pounds
for
them
seller
and
then,
when
the
payout
occurs
in
stripe,
which
happens
on
a
daily
or
weekly
basis.
The
payout
includes
the
other
contract,
which
is
this
agent
broker
contract
and
it
it
reduce.
A
It
reduces
the
amount
paid
out
to
the
to
the
seller
by
that
amount,
and
so,
if
you've
taken
a
2
pound
cotton
at
those
comers,
there's
a
for
a
contractor
is
that
tip
anchor
and
the
money
is
deducted
from
the
amount
and
before
it
lands
in
the
bank
account
of
the
seller.
But
it's
important
to
note
that
the
stripe
account
is
still
the
property
of
the
seller.
So
when
the
customer
deposited
ten
pounds
into
the
strike
account
before
any
money
was
taken
off
and
the
ten
pounds
as
the
sellers
ten
pounds
at
that
point.
A
So,
from
a
v80
perspective
and
from
a
contract
perspective,
there
was
any
issues
with
that.
But
if
there
was
you
know,
the
session
didn't
go
ahead.
If
there
was
any
liability
involved
or
if
there's
v80
to
consider,
if
there's
a
trust
is
as
can
have,
the
zero
percent
rate
is
exempt
from
tax
and
that
all
of
that
still
applies
to
the
ten
pounds,
because
that's
just
a
direct
10
pounds
payment
to
the
seller
from
the
customer.
A
Okay,
so
propose
so.
If,
basically,
if
those
two
make
sense,
then
I
can
talk
through
what
we're
proposing
here
to
do
in
terms
of
the
specification
and
what
bits
of
this
we
proposing
to
handle
and
not
handle,
and
how
does
anyone
have
any
more
questions
on
the
two
different
models
before
we
talk
about
that.
A
Okay
or
--get,
so
the
proposal
for
the
way
that
we
would
handle,
let's
start
with
the
agent,
the
way
that
we
would
handle
this
is.
We
would
only
this.
This
specification
would
only
cover
this
contractual
relationship,
at
least
in
version
one
initially
between
the
customer
and
the
seller,
and
that
is
a
10
pound
squash
core,
which
could
be
overridden
we'll
talk
about
that
later,
two
to
five
pounds
say,
but
whatever
the
number
is,
the
seller
is
actually
providing
that,
for
that
is
vegetable
at
that
amount,
and
that
is
contractually
sold
for
that
amount.
A
That
is
what
this
specification
would
cover.
There's
a
separate
transaction
that
occurs
between
the
agent
and
the
seller
for
for
that
any
cuts
or
fees
or
whatever
might
be
happening
there
for
Commission,
which
could
happen
in
a
number
of
ways,
and
it
could
be
monthly.
It
could
be
the
way
stripe.
Does
it
at
the
end
of
every
day
and
there's
also
another
relationship
between
the
agent
broker
and
the
customer,
where
the
agent
broker
might
well
actually
have
a
one
pound
booking
fee
that
it
separately
charges
to
the
customer,
which
is
again
not
related
to
that.
A
So
there'd
be
two
on
the
customers
bank
statement
on
the
credit
card
system.
There
will
be
two
transactions
in
that
case,
which
is
also
possible
but
again
suggest
that
that
is
actually
not
included
in
this
scope,
primarily
because
in
both
of
those
cases
there
are
a
number
of
different
ways
that
those
transactions
can
occur
and
be
reconciled,
and
they
don't
actually
make
any
difference
to
the
main
transaction.
That's
occurring
here
that
we
care
about
and
need
to
reconcile
into
the
booking
system.
A
A
A
We
can
we
can
crack
on
and
and
and
transact
on
that,
but
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
commission,
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
anything
else
and
and
when
the
total
is
calculated,
which
is
just
down
here
and
the
total
is
calculated,
the
total
can
be
calculated
again
for
that
one
arrow.
It's
50
50
pounds
with
10
percent
tax.
Again,
don't
worry
about
Commission,
that's
just
the
amount
that's
registered
in
the
system,
and
and
so
it
makes
that
much
more
straightforward.
A
B
B
A
B
C
A
You
well
we've
already
got
schema
schema
supports
that,
so
that
is
actually
already
in
the
schema.
So
it
would
be
very
easy
to
add.
In
fact,
I
can
just
do
that
now.
That
would
just
be
an
identifying
here
and
that's
that's
already
supported,
but
we
haven't.
We
haven't
made
that
a
requirement
in
here,
but
certainly
it
would
be
helpful
for
grouping
things
together.
Do
you
think
we
will
always
have
an
identifier
for
every
type
of
tax
sound,
like
could
be
the
case.
B
Said
you
certainly
when
you
go
outside
of
the
UK
I,
think
that's
fairly
cool
I,
think
that
would
be
useful
in
the
UK.
It's
less
critical,
I
think
Jersey
might
have
some
peculiarities
there,
but
I'm
not
entirely
sure
they're
selling
a
different
tax
rates.
The
week
we
have
in
the
mainland
at
least
standardised.
B
Great
you've
also
got
to
think
about
how
to
calculate
tax
when
you've
got
quantities.
So
you've
got
two
items
here
and
we're
just
going
through
a
bit
of
an
internal
debate
about
this,
because
it's
not
fully
clear
globally,
but
it
seems
the
best
practice
is
to
multiply
the
the
unit
price
I'm
talking
about
net
tax
based
countries
here
by
the
quantity
and
then
from
that
work
out
the
tax
rather
than
work
out
the
tax
in
the
unit
price
and
multiply
that
by
the
quantity.
A
A
What
I
mean
so
looking
at
the
the
v8s
I
actually
time,
reading
a
Chelsea's
guidance,
because
we
we've
had
so
much
input
on
this
stuff
thought
it
might
be
good
to
go
to
source
and
actually
have
they're
very
good.
They've
got
a
page
which
I'll
just
put
bring
up
now,
which
has
got
a
bullet
pointed
list
of
everything
that
these
things
need
to
have
in
them,
which
is
incredibly
useful
from
back
invoice
whoops,
and
so
in
there.
A
It
does
talk
about
line
items,
but
it
does
say
that
they're
not
they're,
not
required
necessarily,
but
it's
actually
got
a
HMRC
actually
do
provide.
What
you
can
see
here
is
a
you
just
pull
that
across
the
other
screen.
Sorry
is
a
as
a
sample
template
which
includes
the
columns
for
your
ideal
VAT
return
and,
as
you
can
see,
they
have
indeed
put
the
total
on
a
per
line
line
item
level.
A
E
D
D
A
Okay,
so
it
sounds
like
that.
The
structure
here
is
right:
we've
got
name
price,
currency
and
obviously,
and
the
other
thing
to
mention
is
rate.
So
actually
the
rate
is
is
required,
and
there
was
some
debate
about
this
with
various
people,
but
the
the
guidance
doesn't
include
specifically
the
rate
of
that.
In
the
last
thing,
I.
B
B
Kind
of
alright,
but
then,
when
you
get
to
Canada
or
the
states,
you
got,
you
got
effectively
federal
tax
and
and
state
tax
and
alcohol
tax
and
the
actual
rate
of
those
may
depend
on
the
item.
So
you've
got
types
of
tax,
three
different
tech
lines
and
then
the
actual
rate
of
that
tax
may
depend
on
what
you've,
what
you're
selling
so
you've
got
the
type
of
text
and
then
the
the
the
rate
is
a
separate
identify
within
it.
Interesting.
A
D
Okay,
so
what
we're
doing
we
are
storing
the
unit
amounts
and
I'm
just
checking
to
see
if
this
is
a
calculated
or
restored
field
hold
on
one?
Second,
because
we're
we've
got
columns
to
four
decimal
places
for
gross
amount,
fat
amount
and
net
amount,
but
I
think
the
net
is
a
calculated
one
which
just
takes
gross
and
subtracts
fat,
but
I'm.
Just
confirming
that,
because
I
know
we
did
have
a
number
of
rounding
issues
and
it
might
not
be
calculated
anymore.
B
B
D
We
you
know,
we
recently
made
a
made
a
big
change
throughout
the
application,
which
is
why
all
of
this
has
been
standardized
right.
So
we
store
gross
amount,
which
is
a
unit
amount.
We
store
that
amount
which
is
unit
fat
and
net
is
a
calculated
column.
So
you
do
so.
You
do
have
unit
that
and
net
yeah,
but
net
is
only
there
as
a
as
a
as
a
convenience
factor.
It's
not
physically
stored.
B
Simply
in
a
gross
tax
environment
is
in
a
net
tax
environment
because
you
can
gross
up
the
the
total
twenty
items
at
three
pounds:
seventy
six
and
take
off
two
divided
by
one
point:
two,
that's
right,
but
if
you
actually
in
a
country
which
starts
up
with
net
tax,
then
it's
more
challenging
the
rounding
errors
yeah.
So
you
gotta
stole
the
net
and
then
bro
said
over
before
you
add
the
tax.
Yes,.
A
Well,
this
is
actually
another
question
I
had
so
one
of
the
assumptions
we've
made
here
is
that
the
the
unit
price
specification
must
always
be
gross
now.
Is
that
is
that
universally
true?
Or
is
it
sometimes
the
case
that
the
unit
price,
which
is
the
the
offer
price
of
five
pounds,
might
be
next?
It.
D
A
D
A
Right
and
just
at
just
a
quick
terminology
question
so
previously:
I'd
actually
included
in
here
the
there's,
a
value-added
tax
included
property,
which
is
already
in
schema,
but
I,
don't
know
if
anyone
has
any
any
opinions
on
this,
whether
value-added
tax,
because
sales
tax
is
another
type
of
tax
which
is
in
the
u.s.
value.
I'll
attack
seems
to
be
in
most
countries
in
the
in
the
world,
but
the
u.s.
is
a
bit
different.
Does
this
this
term
actually
cover
what
effect
as
net
vs.
D
A
D
Yeah
I'm,
just
just
a
thought
out
there,
rather
than
rather
than
making
this
horribly
complicated
right
off
the
bat.
You
know,
because
this
is
primarily
focused
at
the
UK.
For
now
it
might
be
that
that
version
one
of
us
goes
through
with
gross
options
only
and
a
future
revision
ads
in
in
ads.
In
all
the
support
for
other
taxation
systems,
mm-hmm
well,.
A
But
but
in
terms
of
the
way
that
the
kind
of
fields
disposal
lay
down
the
property
is
here
and
with
that
cover
net
and
gross,
because
in
both
cases,
presumably
there
are
tax
on
items
that
have
amounts
that
have
rates
that
have
prices.
And
the
question
is
more
back-end
of
whoever's,
calculating
these
how's.
That
problem.
B
I
think,
if
you're
going
to
have
multiple
tax
specifications,
you
might
have
limited
distinction
now,
I
think
if
you
don't
have
multiple
tax
specifications
and
the
current
in
the
initial
specification,
it's
gonna
be
quite
hard
to
change.
Things
later
on.
I
would
think,
there's
a
fair
chance,
we'll
be
supporting
this
in
America
in
the
next
year
to
a
year
and
a
half
yeah.
B
A
Okay,
well
I
mean
just
on
that.
Then.
If
I
suppose,
that's
the
question,
if,
when
you
guys
have
done
your
net
based
stuff,
is
this
I
mean
this?
Presumably
these
two
things
still
work.
You
just
have
an
item
based
tax
price
and
rate.
It's
just
that
the
calculation
happens.
The
other
way
around
is
that
right,
yeah.
A
Sure
so,
if
we
put
the
price
at
the
four
decimal
places-
okay,
great
and
and
then
just
so
on
these
two,
then
it
seems
like
they're
the
last
two
bits
that
we
need
to
get
right
for
that,
because
rate
seems
pretty
standard
price
and
cross
currency
already
standardized.
So
with
your
systems,
these
two,
which
in
a
way
you
mentioned
you
also
have.
What
are
you
calling
these.
B
D
Okay,
so
what
we've
got
on
our
lines
is
a
rate
code,
but
that
rate
code
is
is
where
it
is
a
richer
item
elsewhere
in
the
schema,
which
has
got
the
the
actual
rate
percentage
and
the
type
identifier
on
it,
and
things
like
that,
so
yeah
you've
got
a
single
code
that
does
it
yeah.
We
have
a
single
code,
but
we
would
then
have
multiple
codes,
exposing
all
of
the
all
of
the
different
all
of
the
different
permutations
that
you
need.
A
B
D
B
Tell
you
I
want
to
do
that,
because
you
want
to
be
able
to
aggregate
the
HST
and
the
sit
there,
the
federal
tax
and
the
state
tax,
so
if
you're
identifying
clues
both
and
that
state
tax
might
be
twenty
percent,
fifty
percent
or
zero,
which
is
what
we
call
the
code.
So
if
you've
got
the
identifier
state
tax,
yeah,.
C
D
A
F
A
Okay,
great
okay,
sorry
for
getting
into
some
detail
here,
everybody
else
it
sounds
like
we've:
we've
got
there,
so
we've
got
some
information
and
I.
Think
I
can
see
the
advantage
there
and
what
you're
saying
I
wonder
how
we
we
go
good
to
have
one
more
view
on
this,
just
to
kind
of
get
a
third
steer
but
I
think
you're
right.
If
we
don't
have
to,
we
can't
do
the
aggregation
that
you're
talking
about
so
it
seems
like
more
information,
might
be
better.
D
A
Great
right
so
brilliant,
so
it
sounds
like
we
can
do.
We
can
do
two
right
back
up
then
to
the
to
the
other
parts
of
this
just
to
bring
other
people
into
the
conversation
as
well,
and
we've
already
talked
about
price
of
the
offers
are
not
gross
anymore.
So
I'll
update
that
the
this
is
gross,
so
we
we
talked
about
the
contraction
relationship
between
the
customer
and
seller.
That
would
be
what
it
covers.
Obviously,
there's
lots
of
different
types
of
that
in
there.
A
A
You
don't
need
to
worry
about
that
which
kind
of
makes
sense,
because
it's
the
sellers
responsibility
to
actually
get
those
back
rates
right
in
this
company
in
this
relationship
and
the
obviously
the
booking
system
is
the
sellers
system,
and
so
it
would
be
it
would.
It
would
make
sense
to
put
the
responsibility
there
and
obviously
that's
where
a
lot
of
the
complex
logic
already
lives
as
well.
E
I
right
an
understanding.
Sorry
Kent,
am
I
right
in
understanding
that
both
agent
and
the
reseller
models
will
be
in
the
spec.
It's
just
the
the
agent
model.
This
one
we're
looking
now
is
the
easier
option,
as
it
were,
for
a
agent
to
a
broker
basically
to
implement,
because
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
the
tax
is
what
you're
saying.
E
So
what
happens
with
the
finances
of
it?
So
if
the
money
is
taken
by
the
agent
and
then
passed
on
to
the
rope
onto
the
seller,
so
it's
taken
by
the
agent
broker
by
like
the
payment
method
that
you'll
have
within
the
system
and
then
passed
on
to
the
seller
and
then
a
fees
taken
off
afterwards.
Is
there
any
complication
with
the
agent
holding
the
money?
And
basically
you
know.
Basically
a
middle
account
is
worth
between
two.
E
A
So
so
my
understanding
of
how
this
works
with
with
other
organizations
as
well
so
I'm
looking
at
move
GB
and
their
move
credits
and
move,
do
you
purchase
move
credits
and
then
those
move
credits
are
used
to
pay
for
the
activity,
and
so
the
the
taxable
amount
is
actually
the
move.
Credit
yep
dat,
the
v80
would
be
on
move
credits
and
and
using
that
as
a
small
segue
to
a
different
point
here.
A
One
of
the
advantages
of
this
approach
is
that,
if,
if
when
the
VA
TV
invoice
is
generated,
that
is
actually
generated
by
the
broker,
sorry
generated
is
sent
by
the
broker,
and
if
there
was
a
different
currency
in
use,
I
can
I
can
move
credit.
The
broker
could
then
use
that
currency
in
their
in
their
invoice
as
long
as
the
v80
amount
isn't
sterling,
at
least
in
this
jurisdiction.
That's
that's
all
fine.
From
a
legal
perspective.
A
All
that
to
say
that
you
might
have
you
might
have
a
problem
if
you're
holding
the
money
and
depending
on
your
financial,
where
them
where
that
money
is
technically
sitting,
because,
if
you're
technically,
if
that's
technically
your
pot
and
the
money
is
being
paid
to
you
as
an
organization,
then
that
would
be
a
reseller
set
up.
But
I
think
you
probably
need
to
in
in
in
either
case.
A
I
think
this
spec
would
support
it,
because
either
you're
an
eight
you're,
an
agent
like
this
contractually
and
the
money's
just
for
some
reason,
seek
legal
advice
on
there
and
it's
okay,
that
you
can
hold
it
but
I
suppose.
If,
if
not,
then
you
would
be.
You
would
be
in
this
situation
where
the
customers
effectively
paying
you
for
something
and
then
you're
independently,
paying
the
seller
and
and
just
so
for
visibility.
C
A
The
item
then
gets
sold
on
to
the
customer
as
it
with
any
other
item
again,
because
the
reseller
broker
is
unlikely
to
be
exempt.
It's
not
it's
to
be
not-for-profit
organization
that
meets
all
those
exemption
criteria.
It
would
probably
have
to
then
touch
charge
tax
on
the
same
on
the
v80
on
the
same
in
the
UK,
okay,.
E
A
E
A
B
C
B
You've
got
ten
move
credits
and
you've
paid
20
pounds
for
them,
of
which
four
pounds
give
or
take
his
tags
yeah.
So
you
get
invoice
for
that.
That's
the
bill
now
I
then
come
and
apply
my
move
credits
to
a
move
thing
yeah.
What?
What
would?
What
would
that
appear
like
you
know?
You
took
them
out
that
appearing
as
sterling,
but
in
fact,
there's
no
financial
value
in
that
in
that
transaction.
Thank
you
for
paying
with
your
move
credits.
C
A
So
that,
yes,
that
would
be
the
case
for
a
voucher
with
the
seller,
but
this
is
because
this
is
about
you
with
the
broker
and
the
broker
is
a
separate
organization.
That's
facilitating
it's
it's
the
attacks,
because
it's
back
to
this
question,
about
which
one
of
these
it
is,
if
it's
the
case
that
they've
purchased
about
with
the
broker
and
that
is
then
can
be,
can
be
spent
with
the
seller
as
a
separate
transaction
and
the
broker.
A
Does
that
more
like
this,
however,
if
the
amount
of
money
that's
being
given
in
move
credits,
whatever
it
is,
is
actually
given
to
the
customer
to
spend,
then
the
customer
can
spend
it
with
the
seller
directly,
at
which
point
there
they
will
that's
a
battle,
because
the
because,
when
they
purchased
the
credits
they
weren't
purchasing
them
from
the
seller,
I
mean,
whereas
usually
with
ouches.
You
would
be
yeah.
B
A
Don't
if
they
do
I,
don't
know
if
I
don't
don't
do,
because
if
you're
run,
there's
a
credits,
there's
a
credit
section
of
the
tax
stuff
which
I
think
says
that
you
don't
you
do
not
adjust
the
price
so
I!
Think,
basically
you
don't
you
don't
need
to
charge
if
it's
just
a
conversion
between
currencies,
you're
not
actually
buying
anything
provided
the
monetary
amounts
the
same,
so
you
don't
charge
fat
when
you
buy
the
credits.
B
A
C
A
C
So
it
doesn't
really
matter
what
happens
to
the
money
as
long
as
it's
accounted
for
correctly,
so
the
the
agent
or
the
agent
like
my
little
pitch,
can
hold
the
money
on
behalf
of
the
the
the
seller
as
long
as
v80
is
accounted
for
in
the
right
way.
We
can
then
pass
the
money
on
to
the
seller
and
still
act
as
an
agent.
So.
E
C
C
E
C
E
C
A
The
primary
difference
between
these
two
is
less
the
flow
of
funds,
but
more
the
the
contractuals
it's
set
up
with
when,
when
the
things
being
bought
by
who
yeah
fantastic
and
so
there's
another
point,
then
to
just
move
us
on
if
we
can
just
to
cover
the
last
couple
of
points
on
this.
So
there's
a
few
other
bits
of
this,
which
are
an
interesting
one,
is
that
you
can
I'm
just
trying
to
find
the
bit
that's
right,
so
the
tax
for
organizations
and
individuals.
B
If
I'm
correct
and
I'm,
probably
out
of
date
on
this,
this
is
an
optional
thing.
So,
if
you
have
a
good
relationship
with
the
between
the
seller
and
the
buyer
and
the
both
organizations,
you
can
optionally
not
charge
p80
because
he's
affecting
the
county
for
when
they
make
the
sale,
but
I,
don't
think
they
need
to
stop
you
actually
charging
the
v80.
The
only
benefit
of
that
really
is
just
reduces
the
bookkeeping
level,
you're
a
large
from
transactions
as
a
big
business.
B
So
I'm
not
sure
if
we
have
to
do
this
and
there's
a
lot
of
internal
complexity,
because
then
we
got
to
it
within
booking
system
know
which
organizations
we've
got
the
agreement
with
that
we
with
their
full
charge
tax
in
terms
of
the
the
money
that
flows
does
really
make
any
odds,
because
it
doesn't
go
to
the
some
of
it.
Just
some
of
it
didn't
go
to
the
year.
B
A
A
I,
actually
would
yes
what
you've
just
said:
I
wasn't
even
aware
of,
but
you're
you're
right,
that's
probably
something
else.
What
this
is
this
is
actually
talking
about.
Is
that,
for
example,
if
a
person
is
generally
VAT
exempt
with
a
particular
trust,
for
example,
a
charitable
trust,
they
would
be
charged
usually
0%,
so
they
don't
get
charged
for
the
squash
court.
If
a
business
purchases
that
squash
court
or
five
asides
for
example,
then
they
would
be
charged
because
they're
a
business
and
they
don't
have
that
fat
exemption.
A
So
so
this
was
just
to
say,
if
you're
an
organization,
you
could
be,
as
you
say,
always
get
charged
that
if
you're
a
person,
then,
if
there's
some
that
exemption
already
in
place,
then
that
stuff
applies.
But
you
actually
just
said:
there's
some
situations
where
organizations.
If
there
are
certain
organizations,
don't
get
charged
fat
because
there's
an
arrangement
between
them,
which
is
I,
guess
an
additional
step
further
as
well.
B
B
You
would
see
you
know
if
we
got
block
bookings,
for
example,
for
IBM
yeah
or
I'd,
be
able
also
my
go-to
example.
I.
Don't
know
why
big
company
and
then
there
are
circumstances
when
you
do
or
do
not
charge
tax
mm-hmm,
and
it
also
depends
on
what
you're
selling
this
it
depends
on
the
quantity
of
things
you
sell,
so
it
gets
really
complicated
and
I
I
I.
Don't
think
that
we
would
find
it
very
easy
to
manage
this
internally
mm-hmm.
A
B
F
D
Danny,
but
I
would
weigh
in
is
that
on
similar
to
what
you're
saying
in
what
we
tend
to
do
is
if
it
is
a
pre
canned
product
that
you're
trying
to
sell,
then
there's
a
preset
fat
rate
with
that
product,
or
that
rate,
so
I
should
say
which
will
then
be
applied
to
everybody
buying
their
product
when
it's
a
block
booking.
However,
there
is
more
of
a
manual
process
or
a
manual
intervention
where
they
can
override
what
what
particular
VAT
rate
applies,
and
for
that
one
particular
block
booking.
D
Unfortunately,
tax
gets
horribly
complicated.
No
matter
I
would
also
say
that
this
this
whole
thing
does
get
further
complicated.
When
you
talk
about
countries
where
they
have
fiscal
monitoring
devices
on
all
the
tills-
and
you
know,
and
also
ecommerce
processors,
because
any
tax
calculations
that
the
seller
calculates
in
some
way
or
form
need
to
be
recorded
to
physical
devices
and
then
need
to
correspond
with
what
was
actually
charged,
and
things
like
that.
So
it
gets
a
lot
harder
for
you
to
do
the
VAT
invert
out
bypass
that
was
mentioned
earlier
right.
B
A
B
E
A
That
sounds
good.
Get
rid
of
that.
So
last
quick
point
in
two
minutes,
then,
is
this
overrides
so
actually
going
to
add
to
this
slightly
given
the
last
conversation.
So
this
is
just
basically
saying
if,
if
this
price
variability
going
on,
if
the
agent
or
the
reseller
has
been
given
the
permission
to
change
in
a
ride,
the
prices
commercially
and
they
can
do
that,
they
can
just
put
a
price
override
in
a
unit
price
override,
and
then
the
booking
system
can
take
that
and
apply
all
the
tax
rules.
A
It
would
otherwise
have
applied
to
the
same
exact
unit
and
and
just
reduce
the
tax
amount,
and
then
that
would
be
effect.
That
would
then
affect
the
total.
So
two
things:
that's
what
we
previously
discussed.
I
almost
also
wonder
whether
it
would
be
useful,
but
maybe
that's
not
something
for
now
to
also
on
our
tax
override,
so
that
we
can
do
basically
the
manual
things
that
we
talked
about
or
do
we
think
that
actually
overriding
tax
within
systems
is
more
complicated
than
just
calculating
it,
and
we
don't
want
to
do
that
now.
Are.
B
D
No
I
would
say
that
there
are.
There
are
too
many
things
involved
for
for
them
to
to
reliably
do
it
accurately
in
terms
of
if
you've
got
if
you've
got
line,
items
which
you've
got
multiple
rates
of
tax
on
them,
like
the
one
I
gave
earlier,
where
it
is
where
it
is
a
total
price,
twenty
five
pounds,
but
five
pounds
of
it
is
taxable
and
the
rest
isn't,
or
vice
versa.
I
would
not
want
a
a
third
party
being
responsible
for
how
to
work
out
that
split.
A
D
To
just
button,
the
one
thing
I
would
also
say
that
needs
to
just
be
clear
in
this
document
is
that
the
unit
price
overrides
are
using
the
same
scheme
that
the
offer
price
is
using.
So
if
your
so,
if
your
offer
price
is,
is
gross
specified,
then
the
then
the
unit
price
override
should
also
be
gross,
and
if
it's
net
based,
then
it
should
be
net
based
as
well.
Yeah.
A
Okay,
great,
oh
the
last
thing,
then
this
just
really
quickly
this
one
thing,
which
is
to
allow
for
custom
items
to
be
added
to
the
basket
which
are
just
line
items.
The
idea
here
was
to
allow
for
for
discounts
to
be
applied
by
the
broker.
Again.
If
there
was
agreement
with
the
seller
that
that
was
something
they
would
be
happy
to
do,
hey.
B
D
B
Only
thing
I've
got
I
really
do
have
to
go
before
listening
to
your
answer
to
this,
but
I
didn't
really
understand
the
comments
you
making
about
vhe
receipts
tax
receipts.
So
a
bit
of
clarification
on
that,
but
I
I'm,
sorry
I
do
have
to
go
now.
So
in
my
apologies
and
no
problem
thanks
so
much
Ian,
absolutely.
A
A
Writing
a
big
spec
for
how
to
tie
the
emails
together.
Then,
when
the
more
you
look
at
it,
the
more
you
realize.
Actually
that
is
probably
not
necessary,
and
so
the
proposal
here
is
to
actually
just
not
not
have
an
email
from
the
booking
system
and
for
the
agent
to
be
the
one
that
sends
the
email
with
all
the
details
of
the
VAT
details
which
are
included
well
specified
in
here.
I,
don't
know
if
anyone
has
any
thoughts
on
that.
C
D
I
I
would
agree
that
the
final
receipt
that
the
customer
receives
should
be
the
person
that
they've
been
dealing
with
iev
the
agent.
My
concern
here
is
whether
or
not
that
meets
proper
tax
legislation
in
that,
if
you
have
taken
monies,
you
should,
in
in
theory,
produce
some
form
of
receipt.
I
just
don't
know
what
we
would
do
with
that
receipt.
D
A
D
Yeah
I
would
say
that
that
sounds
fairly
reasonable.
The
only
the
only
little
asterisk
that
I'd
like
to
put
there
is
outside
of
the
UK.
There
are
some
countries
which
have
got
physical
memory,
devices,
which
I
mentioned
earlier.
Eller
is
going
to
need
to
lodge
something
with
some
form
of
physical
physical
device
and
that's
normally
a
receipt
that
is
quite
unquote
said
to
the
customer.
A
D
Know
those
fiscal
memory
devices
are
a
real
pain
to
work
with,
because
you
need
to
import
all
your
line
items
with
all
their
VAT
breakdowns
and
everything
like
that
and
in
the
case
of
a
physical
printer,
for
example,
it
has
the
layouts
quite
firmly
defined
within
the
printer
itself.
You
don't
send
it
a
print
job,
you
actually
upload
to
it
a
journal
entry
of
of
the
sale,
and
then
you
say
please
print
this
for
me
and
it
will
use
its
own
layout
information
to
actually
format
to
property
on
the
printer.
Goodness
quite.
D
A
D
A
I
mean
it
might
be
that
in
those
cases
the
two
emails
are
sent,
but
maybe
for
this.
For
now
we
have
one
email
sent
and
then
we
can
revisit
it
when
we've
got
international
problems.
Is
it
well?
I
mean
I?
Suppose
if
we
set
this
up
like
this,
it's
trivial
for
an
extra
email
to
be
sent,
because
actually
it
makes
no
difference
at
all
to
anything
here.
It
might
not.
It
might
look
a
bit
weird.
A
A
Seems
to
be
a
no
okay,
great
right.
Well,
what
I'll
do
then
we'll
go
make
these
changes.
Sorry,
nope,
okay,
wait
these
changes
net
and
the
gross
and
all
that
good
stuff
in
there
put
these
codes
in
as
well,
and
then
we'll
remove
these
sections
to
do
with
organizations
directly
being
charged.
So
that's
that's!
That's
there
that'll
be
gone.
That
does
leave
a
slight
inconsistency
with
the
reseller,
because
the
reseller
is
an
organization,
that's
purchasing
reseller
broker,
but
that
might
just
not
be
a
problem
for
now.
A
If
the
system
needs
to
handle
that
I,
guess
that's
something
that
can
be
figured
out
at
the
implementation
stage.
What
we'll
go
through
I'll
go
through
and
make
those
amendments
and
reduce.
Would
you
see
the
size
of
it,
which
is
always
good
and
yeah
next
step
will
be
to
get
that
out
into
a
final
spec.
I
will
highlight
the
changes
I've
made
in
that
spec
and
hopefully
that
sauce
done
if
we
need
to
do
any
more
iterations
on
it.
From
that
point,
then
that's
great.