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A
A
One
of
the
interests
you
have
here
is
where
the
funds
go
and
how
they
are
handled.
How
would
you
keep
a
close
eye
on
that?
I
know.
B
That
looking
at
looking
at
the
records,
as
far
as
you
know
what
the
town
puts
in
and
to
make
sure
it's
matched,
because
I
put
in
30
years
and
after
30
years
the
punch
weren't
there,
we
had
to
go
back
and
give
stuff
up.
You
know,
after
working
30
years
in
the
fire
department-
and
it's
just,
I
think
by
you-
know
just
watching
it
and
making
sure
that
the
funds
going
because
it
was
funded.
I
think
it
was
like
90
something
percent.
B
B
B
You
know
which
shouldn't
have
been,
because
I
retired
that
I
knew
that
I
was
going
to
get
that
when
I
retired.
If
I
would
have
known
that,
I
would
have
stayed
and
worked
and
it
wasn't
just
me
there
was
a
lot
of
other
guys
that
retired
at
the
same
time,
and
they
would
have
stayed
too
if
they
would
have
known
that.
B
You
know,
and
we
never
knew
that
you
know
we
took
the
hit-
and
you
know
by
looking
at
the
funds
and
making
sure
that
everything
goes
in
and
that's
matched,
and
I
don't
know
how
it's
done
or
who
does
it?
But
I
just
you
know,
keep
a
close
eye
on
it
and
make
sure
that
the
working
guy
that
puts
in
all
the
years
that
when
he
goes
to
retire,
it's
there
for
him.
C
What
kind
of
financial
background
do
you
have
to
be
looking
at
the
numbers?
What
would
you
bring
to
the
pension
board
with
your
expertise
on
giving
to
hedge
funds
or
giving
to
other
funds
where,
where
would
you
where.
B
I
don't
have,
I
don't
have
a
background
of
that
angel.
You
know
what
I
mean.
I
I
really
don't.
I
gotta
be
honest
with
you.
You
know
I
I
run.
I
ran
a
business
for
you
know
a
lot
of
years,
but
the
thing
is,
you
know
to
know
how
many
you
know
I
would
have
to
look
into
it.
You
know
and
check
it
and
and
go
from
there
and
ask
questions
of
who's.
B
A
Now
dave,
I
know
you
and
I
have
had
conversations
in
the
past
about
disability,
pensions,
yep
everything
else.
How
would
you
handle
the
situation
that
you
hear
that
a
firefighter
is
coming
in
beyond
I
mean
the
pension
board
really
doesn't
have
a
say:
it
goes
before
the
doctors,
but
how
would
you
handle
a
case
like
that?
As
far
as
would
you
be
able
to
deal
with
it,
knowing
that
a
friend
or
a
former
co-worker
or
whatever
it
may
be,
that
you're
sitting
here
and
you're,
making
a
decision
on.
B
My
thing
is,
I've
been
like
I
said
I
was
a
farmer
for
30
years
when
a
person
comes
up
to
me
and
looks
me
in
my
eye
and
tells
me
that
he's
going
to
go
out
on
a
fake
pension
and
smiles
about
it
and
he
gets
it.
It's
not
a
good
thing.
It
doesn't
that's
not
good
for
me
or
anybody
else.
You
know
what
I
mean
you
know.
I
had
another
guy
to
come
up
to
me
and
tell
me
right
to
my
face
that
he
used
a
certain
situation
in
this
town
to
get
his
pension.
B
I'm
like
really.
I
had
a
few
words
with
him,
but
you
know
it
is
what
it
is,
but
it's
not
right.
It's
not
right
to
the
taxpayer.
It's
not
right
for
the
people
that
work
next
door
for
the
town.
It's
really
not
because
these
guys
put
in
I
put
like
I
said
I
put
in
30
years,
but
I'm
not
the
only
one.
I've
had
uncles
that
worked
many
many
years
and
I
know
a
lot
of
other
people.
B
But
the
thing
is
when
these
guys
just
come
up
to
you
and
tell
you
that
it's
not
right,
it's
not
right
at
all.
You
know.
I
know
there
was
a
a
company
in
in
town
that
they
had
disabilities
too,
and
you
know
what
they
told
their
workers.
You
guys
are
coming
to
work
tomorrow.
They
go.
We
can't
work,
no
you're
not
going
to
work
just
come
in
tomorrow.
What
they
did,
we
put
them
in
a
room,
they
bought
all
recliners
and
they
sat
there
for
eight
hours
a
day
and
watched
some
tv.
B
He
says
after
five
after
five
days
you
put
in
your
40
hours,
you
can
go
home
and
they
said
how
many
guys
went
back
to
work.
You
know
what
I
mean.
I
don't
get
me
wrong
if
the
guys,
if
the
guy
is
disabled,
he
deserves
the
66
and
two
thirds
that
that
person
gets.
I
get
70
percent
taxable
I
live
on
it.
These
guys
should
be
able
to
live
on
66
and
two
thirds
non-taxable
and
their
kids
go
to
college
for
free
and
when
we
used
to
get
a
raise,
they
would
give
a
raise.
B
They
never
lost
those
guys.
I
would
like
I
said
how
many
years
I
worked
here,
I've
never
ever
seen
those
guys
on
the
disability
ever
lose
a
penny.
Never.
When
we
ever
had
to
come
to
the
town
for
a
contract,
we
always
gave
up
stuff
how
come
they
never
gave
up.
You
know
it's,
it's
not
fair.
It's
really
not
fair.
D
B
A
D
Jack
good,
how
you
doing
good
evening,
how
are
you,
jeff,
koslin,
207,
lockwood
street.
A
D
Well,
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
say
that
I
don't
have
an
agenda
for
applying
for
this
position.
I
mean
I'm
invested
in
the
pension,
like
I
like,
I
said,
but
I've
I've
worked
in
this
town
for
a
while.
So
I
have
friends
that
are
on
fire
and
police
and
I
know
active
retirees,
but
the
reason
that
I
applied
for
the
position
is
because
I
have
an
interest
in
the
long-term
sustainability
of
the
pension,
not
so
much
in
certain
areas.
But
I'd
like
to
see
it
be
there
when
I
retire.
D
Financial
background,
apart
from
my
own
investments,
I
mean
I
have
a
share
builder
account.
I
know
stocks,
I
know
mutual
funds.
I
know
the
lingo
for
the
most
part.
I
don't
really
have
a
background
in
finance,
but
I
am
a
fast
lawner
learner.
Excuse
me.
A
D
D
Checking
account
savings
account
basic
bills.
Writing
checks,
simple,
simple
stuff.
What
kind
of
monies
did
you
deal
with?
What's
the
kind
of
numbers
you
tell
them,
it
depends
on
the
situation.
I
mean
we're,
not
talking.
You
know
millions,
but.
G
D
For
console
94,
it
was
enough.
Okay,
I'll
ask
the
same
question
to
you.
You
and
one
of
your
fellow
members
who
are
on
the
board
have
absolute
opposite
opinions
on
on
a
matter.
How
do
you
handle
that
facts?
I
guess
the
person
that
has
the
you
know
the
facts,
and
you
know
I.
I
don't
plan
on
agreeing
with
everybody
that
I
speak
with.
D
C
Weren't
too
happy
when
he
first
signed
a
bid.
I'll
tell
you
not
because
you're
here
jeff,
you
do
a
hell
of
a
job.
There.
C
A
Jeff,
what
angela
just
said,
conflict
of
interest,
what
I
mean?
What's
your?
What's
your
opinion
on
that
when
he
says
conflict
of
interest.
D
Well,
I
mean
this
is
currently
one
active
union
member.
That's
on
the
board
now.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
yeah?
Okay,
so
I
mean
there's
nobody
from
the
municipal
side,
that's
on
the
board
now,
so
I
I
don't
see
any
conflicts.
Yeah
I
mean
I
don't
know,
I'm
pretty
objective
to
things.
So
you
think
it.
A
Should
be
balanced,
I
mean
like
if
we
you
know
if
we
put
on
we've,
got
a
retired
fireman
here
that
wants
to
be
on
there,
so
there
would
be
two
people
represent
not
necessarily
representing
sure
their
unions,
but
but
have
been
part
of
the
union
or
are
part
of
the
union.
Okay,
I
mean.
How
do
you
feel
about
that?
Well,.
D
D
You
know,
I
do
see
a
benefit
in
having
a
diverse
board
active,
active
members,
retirees
different
divisions.
I
mean
everybody
has
a
stake
in
this
pension.
A
A
Al
it
says
I
like
to
help
with
any
issues
that
come
up
to
get
the
pension
system
in
a
good
shape
and
then
to
maintain
and
address
changes
as
needed
to
keep
the
pension
system
where
it
should
be.
What
what
do
you
think
you
can
bring
to
the
pension
board.
E
The
the
pension
is
kind
of
a
bad
egg
for
the
town,
so
to
speak,
to
a
lot
of
people
think
that
it's
a
problem
for
the
town
I
like
to
try
and
change
that
perspective,
make
it
self-preserve
self
sustaining
so
that
the
funds
are
invested
properly.
I'm
not
saying
that
not
properly
now,
but
for
a
better
method.
E
C
Yeah,
what
financial
background
do
you
bring
to
the
board.
E
I
own
several
pieces
of
property.
I
was
self-employed
but
at
the
same
time
I
worked
for
the
fire
department.
E
I
also
worked
with
my
father
run
a
plumbing
heating
business
for
about
20
years
as
far
as
a
financial
degree.
I
do
not
have
that,
but
I
manage
my
own
affairs.
I
have
money
in
the
bank,
I
haven't
filed
bankruptcy
or
anything
like
that.
I
keep
up
with
the
stocks
and
bonds
and
my
own
investments
and
that's
the
nature
of
what
I
have.
D
D
E
If
I
feel
my
opinion
is
correct,
I
will
state
my
reasons
why
I
will
listen
to
the
other
person's
opinions.
We
are
still
in
america,
so
it
is
a
majority
vote
and
if
my
vote
wasn't
the
majority
winner,
then
that's
the
way.
It
is
that's
what
this
country
was
founded
on.
E
I
had
that,
even
when
I
was
in
the
fire
department
and
when
I
went
into
fire
prevention.
One
of
the
first
problems
I
had
was
dealing
with
the
public
and
we
had
a
bad
name.
Nobody
liked
you
coming
in
to
do
the
code
and
force
it
because
they
saw
you
coming
in
the
money
going
out.
The
door
took
some
time
to
convince
the
people
and
what
I
learned
by
watching
them
for
the
first
month
or
so,
is
that
they
didn't
understand
they
needed
to
be
educated.
E
So
my
goal
was
to
explain
things
to
them
as
they
went
along,
not
just
walk
in,
do
a
bunch
of
ins.
You
know
inspection
of
everything
and
give
them
a
report.
I
had
no
idea,
I
explained
what
was
wrong
and
what
the
options
were,
because
the
people
from
nfpa
at
the
time
had
taught
me
what
the
intent
of
the
code
was
not
so
much.
The
letter
of
the
code
found
out.
E
There
was
five
or
six
ways
to
enforce
the
code,
so
I've
used
that
methodology
that
those
people
shared
in
my
training
through
with
the
town
and
then
when
I
went
to
the
state,
I'm
using
it
in
other
things
and
in
here
it
would
be
the
same
thing
if
we
can
find
a
way
to
make
this
pension
more
self-sustaining
and
do
well,
then
that's
what
I'm
looking
to
do.
A
Oh
just
just
for
the
record,
you
are
a
retired
west,
warwick
firefighter.
Yes,
sir,
and
you
are
part
of
the
pension
plan.
Yes,
sir,
so
you
do
have
a
vested
interest.
There.
C
The
only
thing
you
you
can
understand
my
point
here:
you
worked
in
the
system
for
30
years,
made
a
lot
of
friends
made
a
lot
of
enemies.
C
Also,
there's
going
to
be
some
really
confidential
information,
that's
going
to
pass
through
your
hands,
I
don't
feel
comfortable
and
having
people
on
the
opposite
side,
even
though
you're
you're
vested
working
with
someone
for
30
years,
you're
more
apt
to
lean
towards
their
side
because
you've
been
there,
you
know
what
they've
done
for
30
years
and
that's
where
I
fear
putting
another
union
representative
on
this
board
because,
let's
face
it
every
taxpayer,
I
represent
the
taxpayers
of
this
town,
not
only
my
ward.
C
C
I
heard
nothing
but
good
things
about
you,
but
my
my
feeling
is
and
I'll
always
be,
and
it
it's
been
discussed
with
other
constituents
in
town.
That's
just
what
I
have
to
bring
to
this
board
tonight.
Well,.
A
E
I
think
my
past
record
in
the
town
with
the
various
people
work
under
the
different
chiefs
will
explain
that,
but
I
understand
exactly
where
you're
coming
from
that
has
been
around
a
long
time
all
that
all
the
time
that
I've
been
here
in
the
town
I've
dealt
with
that
I
was
not
a
strong
union
person.
I
understood
a
lot
of
things
they
did.
E
I
didn't
always
agree
with
everything
that
union
did,
and
anybody
that
worked
with
me
will
tell
you
that
one
of
the
first
things
that
we
did
some
years
back
was
we
used
to
have
a
part
of
our
contract.
You
go
to
a
disability
that
was
it.
We
had
one
gentleman
that
was
four
plus,
maybe
almost
five
years
on
disability,
and
we
decided
that
that
wasn't
a
good
thing,
so
we
in
our
contract
negotiations
put
a
clause
in
it,
brought
it
down
to
18
months,
which
I
believe
is
still
in
there
to
this
day.
E
That
way,
at
that
point,
the
town
had
an
option
of
pinching
this
person
off,
instead
of
just
leaving
them
on
a
job
injury
for
all
this
time,
because
that
wasn't
a
good
thing.
That's
not
what
we
wanted
and
that's
where
I
come
from.
If
there's
an
issue
with
an
individual,
then
I
will
speak
my
mind.
There
is
some
people
that
have
collecting
a
pension
that
don't
deliver
collecting
potent
attention.
E
I
know
the
exact
facts
of
how
they
got
their
disability,
they're
bogus
okay,
but
that's
water
over
the
bridge,
and
it
was
nothing
I
had
anything
to
do
with
and
nothing
I
can
do
about.
Okay,
I
put
the
chips
where
they
come.
If
that's
what
comes
in,
and
I
don't
like
what
that's
there,
then
I'm
going
to
speak
my
mind
again.
Like
I
said
before,
I've
been
to
a
lot
of
meetings,
this
majority
vote.
I
Nicholas
sneeze,
chairman
of
the
pension
board,
so
I
guess
just
one
thing
that
I
don't
think
this
is
going
to
stay
up,
but
I
apologize,
but
I
think
it's
broken
all
right.
I
No
more
administrative
expenses,
so
one
thing
I
did
want
to
just
kind
of
mention.
I
know
that
you
know.
Obviously
the
financial
expertise
is
a
very
important
component
and
while
the
pension
board
is,
it
is
still
providing
a
very
large
oversight
role.
When
it
comes
to
the
investment
we
did
recently
go
through
a
pretty
exhaustive
process.
It
included
all
the
retiree
coalitions
along
with
the
active
union
groups
in
bringing
on
a
new
consultant.
I
I
It
takes
some
of
the
political
views
that
people
have
with
what
you
know
regarding
either
investing
or
you
know
different
things
out
of
it
and
it
puts
it
in
the
hand
of
professionals.
So
that's
one
thing
that
I
that
I
didn't
just
kind
of
want
to
impart
to
the
council,
because
that
shift
from
the
traditional
to
the
outsource
model
is
is
a
different
and
it's
something
that
the
town
had
back
in
the
80s
and
you're
kind
of
seeing
a
bit
of
an
upswing
towards
that
in
popularity
in
the
industry.
I
Right
now-
and
I
guess
the
one
question
that
I
have
just
because
you
know
I've
seen
some
situations
where
it's
come
up
is
you
know?
I
know
we've
been
talking
a
little
bit
about
disabilities,
but
in
many
ways
we
only
have
the
record
that's
provided
to
us,
so
whatever
is
presented
to
that
doctor
or
to
those
doctors
with
the
imes,
that's
the
record
that
we
have
to
determine
as
a
board.
I
No,
I
made
that
clear
earlier
right
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
I
get
concerned
with,
because
it's
something
that
happened
when
I
started
on
the
board
and
I
think,
we've
gotten
back
towards
making
decisions
in
terms
of
what's
within
that
actual
record
in
front
of
us.
But
one
of
the
things
I
get
concerned
about
is
you
know
within
town.
If
you
know
people
served
with
someone
or
you
know,
people
people
know
somebody
very
well,
and
you
know
bringing
in
things
either
for
or
against
an
individual.
I
Just
you
know,
based
on
either
personalities
or
or
whatever
it
is
things
that
are
kind
of
outside.
Of
that
record,
we've
really
tried
to
prevent
that.
So
I
guess
the
question
that
I
would
have
to
some
of
the
applicants
tonight
is
at
what
point,
if
you,
you
know,
served
with
a
particular
individual
or
if
you
were
involved
with
a
particular
collective
bargaining
unit
at
what
point
would
that
person
feel
like
it
would
be
appropriate
for
them
to
recuse
themselves
from
those
specific
decisions?
A
So
let
me
just
clarify
something:
nick
real,
quick.
As
far
as
you're
concerned,
you
have
plenty
of
people
with
the
financial
background
and
different
expertise,
kind
of
like.
What's
up
here,
we
don't,
we
all
don't
have
the
same
background.
You
know,
ed's
got
the
I.t
background.
Angela's
got
the
business
owner
right
background.
I
got
the
manager
background,
you
know,
dave's
got
the
educational
background
and
brian
he's
got
the
managerial
background
also,
so
we
have
five
different
people
up
here.
As
far
as
backgrounds
go,
you
know
right
now.
I
A
A
Ed
you,
you
have
to
help
the
employees
and
retired
employees
to
have
their
pensions
earn
the
best
return
for
them,
also
to
help
explain
exactly
what
is
happening
within
the
pension
and
to
help
cut
the
cost
to
the
pension.
So
what
can
you
bring
to
the
pension?
Well.
H
I
have
fiduciary
responsibility
to
my
clients
and
what
I
mean
by
that
before
I
invest
with
any
of
my
clients,
I
sit
down
with
them.
I
give
them
a
pro.
I
give
them
a
little
test
day,
a
quiz,
and
they
tell
me
exactly.
It
tells
me
exactly
the
type
of
investor
they
are,
whether
they're
risky,
whether
they're
low
risk,
how
they
feel
about
it.
The
market
I
feel
about
investing
in
certain
areas
plus
I'm
also
a
I'm
a
recall,
I'm
a
principal
licensed
person,
which
means
I
oversee
other
brokers.
H
Other
representatives,
I
have
a
securities
license.
I've
had
that
for
over
25
years,
I've
had
over
500
clients,
I've
helped
with
their
portfolios.
I've
helped
people
with
their
401ks
the
iras
457s
403bs
things
of
that
nature.
I
have
clients,
my
largest
client
has
almost
close
to
a
million
dollars
just
himself,
and
these
are
working
people.
H
Okay,
and
also
I
have
the
support
of
a
lot
of
money
managers,
because
I'm
able
to
have
conference
calls
with
money
managers
from
the
different
companies
like
lake
mason,
lincoln
voya,
aig
companies
of
that
nature,
so
I
have
wet.
I
have
conference,
calls
with
them
also.
They
come
to
my
office
when
they
come
up
with
new
stuff
and
they
come
to
my
office
and
they
sit
down
with
me.
We
go
over
things,
so
I
haven't.
H
I
have
the
access
to
a
lot
of
financial
people
that
are
even
better
than
I
am,
but
I've
been
doing
this
a
long
time.
I
have
a
lot
of
clients
and
again
I
mean
we
have
a
responsibility
to
let
the
people
know
exactly.
What's
going
on
with
their
pension,
I
mean
my
fiancee
was
part
of
the
pension.
I
mean
she's
no
longer
part
of
it
now,
but
we
sat
down.
We
looked
at
it,
so
I
know
part
of
it.
But
the
thing
is
it's
for
the
people.
H
These
people
work
hard
and
they're
going
to
depend
on
this
money
when
they
retire.
They
don't
want
no
surprises.
So
we're
going
to
know
exactly
where
this
money's
being
invested,
how
it's
being
invested,
plus
what
the
fees
are,
because
so
the
state
of
orlando
have
absorbed
and
their
fees
are.
You
know
eddie.
A
H
A
A
Go
ahead
andrew,
you
guys!
Well,
I
think
you
just
said
it,
but.
C
I've
heard
it
so
you
have
a
lot
to
bring
to
the
board
absolutely
you're.
Not
if
I
call
you
for
a
question,
you
can
answer
me
without
going
back
to
the
board
or
mr
denise,
where
other
people,
I've
asked
questions,
and
they
couldn't
answer
me
I'll.
D
H
Well,
I
would
determine
what
is
fact
and
what
is
truth.
Look
at
it
observe
it
go
over
it
and
explain:
ask
him
why
they
feel
the
way
they
feel
and
they
hear
the
way
why
I
feel
the
way
I
feel-
and
I
feel
as
though
I
have
the
edge
having
a
financial
background.
Having
the
licenses
I
mean
I'm
complying,
I
mean
I
think
three
years
I
gotta
go,
I'm
in
total
compliance
with
the
government
with
the
state
of
ohio,
the
federal
government,
all
that.
H
So
I
feel
as
though
I'm
going
to
give
my
opinion
and
explain
to
them
why.
I
feel
that
way
and
not
just
tell
them
but
actually
show
them
where,
where
it
would
be
better
off
this
way
here,
but
then
again,
if
it's,
the
other
person's
got
a
better
right
there,
and
I
look
at
it
and
I
observe
it.
I
digest
it
and
don't
make
a
hasty
decision.
Then
perhaps
we
can
go
the
other
way.
H
H
I
don't
have
what
I
have
is
licenses.
I
have
the
investment
license.
I
have
the
license
for
principal's
license,
which
means,
I
always
see
other
other
agents.
I
have
the
investment
license.
I
have
a
cv6
series
26
and
a
series
63
plus
I
I'm
very
familiar
with
annuities
index
annuities,
variable
annuities
mutual
funds,
municipal
bonds,
government
bonds,
all
types
of
investments.
A
You
did
darren
ever
come
in
yet
I
didn't
see
him
and
mr
murphy's
not
here
yet
so
why
don't
we
move
on
to
the
next
agenda
item
because
I
know
they're
here
you
told
seven
o'clock
the
agenda.
They
have
time
frames
so
if
it
was
going.
C
15
15
15.
We
were
we're
already
into
an
hour.
A
G
So
this
is,
we've
been
working
to
try
to
come
up
with
ways
to
deal
with
the
vacant
buildings
throughout
town,
the
residential
structures
that
have
gone
into
disrepair,
absent
owners,
sometimes
their
banks
they're
not
taking
care
of
the
buildings,
not
taking
care
of
the
lawns,
not
doing
what
they
need
to
do.
In
conversations
we
had
with
attorney
dorsey
who
would
come
in.
You
recognize
him
from
the
lipid
mill
project
and
some
others
in
town
here
he
was
able
to
tell
us
that
they
were
doing
work
as
receivers.
G
Doing
work
in
central
falls
where
they
take
the
state
law
and
local
town
ordinances
and
they
go
after
all.
These
owners
of
these
delinquent
buildings
and
through
the
court
process
are
able
to
get
the
properties
out
of
their
hands,
sell
them
to
people
that
will
deal
with
them
and
put
them
back
on
the
tax
rolls
and
move
on
to
the
next
one
they've
been
successful
in
central
falls
and
they
feel
they've
looked
over.
Our
complete
list
of
problem
properties
and
east
greenwich
avenue
is
top
on
their
list.
You
can.
G
C
G
G
Right
through
the
transaction
at
the
end
that
there's
a
there's,
a
sale
that
takes
place
and
it
covers
their
expenses,
they
get
a
percentage
I'll.
Let
john
come
up
and
explain
the
details,
but
ultimately
you
know,
as
far
as
the
town's
concern
we
get
these
structures
back
on
our
tax
roll
and
someone
in
there
that
will
take
care
of
them
and
move
forward.
G
Well,
we
have
a
book
about
that.
Thick
of
properties
that's
been
put
together
by
the
building
office
so
and
john
has
gone
through
the
whole
list,
with
with
carrie
and
shayna
and
and
basically
they're
gonna
be
going
through
and
prioritizing
and
taking
the
top
ones
and
then
moving
forward.
A
I
know
we've
even
actively
as
individuals.
I
know
dave
lombari
myself,
we
have,
we
see
people
who
are
buying
and
flipping
houses
and
we
we've
been
showing
other
houses
in
that
neighborhood
to
them
say:
hey!
Won't
you
look
into
this
one.
C
So
john,
my
understanding
is,
if
you
do
not
collect
from
these,
which
I
know
you
would
from
say
a
bank
you're
going
after
a
bank,
it's
a
the
biggest
I
saw
in
town
and
you
come
to
every
road
block.
You
can
and
not
happens.
You
don't
come
back
out
of
town
for
any
money
at
all.
F
F
The
court,
then,
if
it's
inclined,
would
appoint
us
once
we're
appointed.
We
send
out
notices
to
the
owners
of
the
properties
any
of
the
mortgage
holders,
lien
holders
who
have
an
interest
in
the
property
and
it
falls
under
the
state's
abandoned
properties
act
and
it's
really
a
sort
for
the
municipalities,
because
what
it
does
is
it
and
the
program
is
not
meant
to
deal
with
every
residential
property.
F
F
Do
a
purchase,
sale
agreement,
part
of
that
purchase,
sale
agreement
has
milestones
that
they
have
to
commit
to
in
terms
of
the
abatement
plan,
the
finances
to
finish
it
and
if
they
don't
live
up
to
those
milestones,
there's
reverters
in
the
deed
that
would
allow
the
property
to
go
back
to
the
receivership.
So
you
could
have
somebody
else
finish
the
abatement.
So
it's
it's
really
a
sword
for
the
towns,
because
it
brings
an
end
to
the
process.
You
don't
run
into
the
cyclical
process
where
you
bring
folks
in
every
couple
months.
F
They
put
patches
on
issues
and
you're
dealing
with
them
again
in
three
or
four
months
and
in
terms
of
the
only
investment
really
on
the
townsend
is
when
you
file
the
initial
petition
for
receivership,
but
they're.
Not
it's.
It's
not
significant.
Once
you
have
the
process
in
place,
it's
the
same
as
when
you're
sending
out
enforcement
orders
from
all
the
fines.
A
F
The
court
would
get
involved
because
the
town
would
file
that
petition
for
receiving.
Why
would
the
court
appoint
you
the
it's
up?
It's
entirely
up
to
the
court
who
they
appoint.
We've
been
appointed
by
other
courts
as
receivers
the
when
you
file
the
petition
for
receivership.
A
A
F
It's
it's
not
done
by
percentage.
The
way
it
works
is
we
would
track
our
time
on
an
hourly
basis
and
then,
at
the
end
of
the
process.
After
this,
after
the
sale
is
done,
we
would
apply
to
the
court
to
approve
our
time
and
our
expenses
and
the
court
tells
you
if
and
what
you
get
paid.
Yeah,
of
course,
like
probate,.
G
F
To
councilman
patoula's
question:
if,
at
the
end
of
the
day
say
we
came
up
with
two
or
three
different
ways:
to
try
and
address
the
property
and
for
some
reason,
each
of
those
hit
a
hurdle
and
the
the
process
didn't
work
for
that
property.
It's
not
at
the
end
of
the
process.
The
receiver
can't
turn
to
the
town
and
say
I'd
like
the
town
to
pay
me.
It's
the
the
receiver
takes
the
risk
of
that.
A
H
Happens
if
you
said
you
said
throughout
the
process,
you
know
notice
goes
out
to
all
the
d
lien
holders.
What
happens
if
nobody
responds
at
all
and
no
has.
F
No
interest
in
it,
then,
in
that
case,
and
that
that's
happened
and
it's
happening
at
all.
It's
happened
in
quite
a
few
cases
where
nobody
responds
or
in
fact
sometimes
folks
respond
and
say
we're
glad
you
want
to
take
on
the
issue.
We
don't
want
to
deal
with
it.
The
the
court
would
then
authorize
the
receiver
to
go
forward
and
that's
when
you
would
go
out
and
find
a
third
party
buyer
for
the
property.
A
D
F
F
If
the
town
took
over
a
piece
of
property
that
assuming
that,
if
the
town
took
over
a
residential
piece
of
property,
that
the
town
could
ask
the
court
to
appoint
a
receiver
and
in
that
case,
it'd
be
a
little
bit
different
than
the
abandoned
property
such
because
that
the
program
that
we're
talking
about
is
for
abandoned
properties
where
the
owners
have
walked
away.
If
the,
if
the
town
were,
if
the
town
owned
a
piece
of
property,
you
could
do
a
receivership
petition.
Whether
that's
to
the
municipal.
C
C
G
A
C
A
A
I
F
Law
is
this
new,
or
is
this
just
no,
it's
been
around
since
the
80s.
It
just
hasn't
been
used
that
much
it's
been
around
since
the
80s
and
the.
I
think
the
reason
that
it's
gaining
some
interest
from
different
municipalities
is
just
because,
where
the
market
is
it's
a
good
time
to
try
and
deal
with
those
properties,
because
there
are
folks
who
are
looking
at
problems.
F
And
it's
not
that
different
than
other
receivership
properties
that
we
run
into
in
the
traditional
receivership
sense,
where
buyers
are
looking
at
the
property
saying
if
I
could
deal
with
this
environmental
issue
or
if
I
had
some
time
to
fix
the
nuisance
issues
I
take
it
on.
But
they
want
to
understand
that
you
know
what
those
issues
are
and
sort
of
have
them
in
a
box
which
the
process
allows
them
to
do.
A
Yeah
fred,
you
said
that
we
had
like
a
list
of
that
of
abandoned
properties
that
we
could
potentially
be
filing
with
citizenship
for
yeah.
Could
I
has
anybody
seen
that
list?
Yet
you
seen
it,
you
see
it
yeah.
Okay,
none
of
us
have
seen
it.
Can
I
get
a
copy
in
digital
form?
I
don't
want.
I
don't
want
it's
a.
C
A
Somebody
actually
a
retired
firefighter
who
does
flipping
houses
now
was
actually
working
on
a
house
on
two
atwood
street
right
down
the
street
from
dave
lombardi's,
and
you
know
he
stopped
to
talk
to
him
and
said:
hey,
there's
one
around
the
corner
over
here.
If
you
want
to
get
out,
you
know,
try
to
and
we've
actively
done
that
throughout,
like
we
know,
houses
that
are
abandoned
in
our
neighborhoods
roughly
and
just
by
driving
around,
and
I
know
I've
actively
talked
to
people
who
are
flipping
houses.
Hey
take
a
look
at
this
house.
A
G
A
But
again
it's
it's
a
part
of
cleaning
up
west
wall,
you
know
getting
the
old
abandoned
houses
on
you,
know:
tax
roll,
getting
them
fixed
up,
getting
them
sold
to
flippers
or
whoever
may
be
buying
them.
And
let's
say
the
housing
market
has
gone
up.
Five
percent
in
the
past
year,
they've
big
thing
today
on
cnbc
five
percent,
the
market
values
going
up
on
houses,
so
the
market's
starting
to
do
this
again.
A
Slowly
but
surely-
and
you
know
there
are
some
people
out
there
who
are
looking
to
buy
those
seventy
eighty
thousand
dollar
houses
to
make
that
hundred
sixty
hundred
eighty
thousand
after
putting
their
40
or
50
into
it.
So
you
know
I
I
think
you
know
kerry,
can't
do
this
alone.
Pam
can't
do
it
alone,
you
know,
so
they
do
need
assistance
and
whoever
that
may
be
yeah
and
you.
A
Well,
marianne
and
judge
bernardo
have
had
conversations
with
me.
They're
actually
have
more
people
in
here
with
housing
violations
now
than
they
do
with
speed,
moving
violations
in
in
tickets
and
stuff
like
that,
they
actually
spend
the
whole
extra
hour
municipal
court
just
for
the
housing
violations.
So
you
know
it's
it's
it's
working,
but
they
need
a
little
more
help
to
get
things
done.
F
A
A
All
right,
darren,
burley,
I
know
we
just
rented
the
room:
hey
don,
come
on
up
just
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
A
It
says
here
I'll
give
a
brief
explanation
of
interest
in
the
position.
Interesting
and
assuring
the
current
pension
plan
remains
sustainable.
What
can
you
bring
to
the
pension
board
to
help
those
matters.
J
Well,
I
think
I
have
a
pretty
strong
vested
interest
in
making
sure
that
this
pension
stays
solvent
as
an
employee.
You
know
I've
been
here
for
almost
eight
years
and
consistently
have
watched
my
paychecks
get
smaller.
My
benefits
decrease
a
little
bit
working
longer,
now
paying
more
into
a
pension
fund
to
get
a
little
bit
less
at
the
end
of
the
road
paying
some
of
the
highest
pension
contributions
in
the
country.
J
So
I
want
to
make
sure
for
future
generations
that
we
keep
this
thing
together
and
keep
it
up
and
running
as
a
resident
of
the
town
and
homeowner
every
year.
My
property
taxes
continue
to
go
up,
but
they're
not
commensurate
with
an
increase
in
value
of
my
home.
So
in
order
to
kind
of
get
everything
up
to
a
good
balance
and
keep
in
the
right
direction,
I
think
we
really
need
to
make
sure
that
this
pension
fund
stays
healthy,
because
that's
what
got
us
into
this
position
in
the
first
place.
J
C
Yeah,
what
kind
of
financial
background
do
you
have
to
bring
all
them
ideas
you
have
to
the
pension
board.
J
Well,
I
don't
have
any
formal
finance
training.
You
know
I've
been
in
public
safety
for
almost
20
years.
I've
lived
in
a
number
of
places
throughout
the
country.
I've
worked
for
four
different
public
safety
agencies
in
three
different
states.
I've
been
a
member
of
both
defined
benefit
and
defined
contribution
plans.
So
I
have
a
pretty
good
understanding
of
how
all
of
that
works.
J
I've
been
a
member
of
the
executive
board
on
the
fire
department,
so
I've
sat
in
on
the
negotiation
of
contracts
and
I
was
still
on
the
board
at
the
time
when
we
began
all
the
pension
change
negotiations,
so
I've
got
a
little
bit
as
far
as
that
side
goes.
I
don't
have
any
formal
finance
education.
I
do
a
bunch
of
fun.
You
know
investing
on
my
own,
which
you
know
that
doesn't
really
count
for
much.
I
guess,
except
for
my
own
accounts,
but
no
formal
training
to
answer
your
question.
E
D
J
Well,
I
spent
10
years
as
a
cop,
I'm
pretty
good
at
you
know,
conflict
resolution.
I
don't
take
anything
personally.
I
try
to
get
my
point
across
if
I
believe
that
I'm
right,
I
will
fight
to
get
my
point
across,
but
I'll
do
it
with
tact.
I
try
to
take
everybody's
opinion
into
consideration,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
I
I
take
everything
in
its
totality
totality
and
for
my
own
opinion,
but
I
will
I'll
fight
for
what
I
think
is
right,
but
I
also
I'm
open
to
anybody
else's
ideas
and
opinions.
A
So
obviously
you
have
friends
co-workers.
How
would
you
handle
situations
confidential
situations
that
came
before
the
pension
board?
As
far
as
you
know,
it
could
be
anything
could
be
disability,
it
could
be
anything
but
confidential
information.
How
would
you
handle
that.
J
E
A
Angelo
is
has
mentioned
a
conflict
of
interest
and
you
know
where
he
started
to
get
on
the
board
two
too
many
union
members
understand
and
and
and
possible
concern
of
that.
Absolutely
what's
what's
your
opinion
on
that.
J
J
J
We
can't
give
everybody
what
they
want
if
we
gave
the
council
everything
that
that
you
wanted
employees
probably
wouldn't
have
a
pension.
If
we
gave
the
employees
everything
that
they
wanted,
the
pension
fund
wouldn't
have
any
money
in
it.
So
we
need
to
find
a
balance
and
union
member
or
not
going
back
to
what
I
said
earlier.
I
believe
in
just
doing
what's
right.
So
if
it's
not
what's
right
for
the
pension,
then
just
because
they're
a
union
member
doesn't
mean
that
I'm
going
to
give
it
my
approval.
Okay,.
A
E
Gentlemen,
this
is
kelly:
hello,
murphy,
shawn,
murphy,
40,
woodland
drive,
west
warwick,
sean.
E
E
Basically,
it'd
be
leadership.
Currently
I
don't
do
any
work
involving
pensions
at
all.
I'm
an
assistant
clerk
in
central
falls.
I
have
served
on
the
past
and
boards
in
the
community
and
leadership
and
the
ability
to
work
well
with
others
and
be
a
team
player
and
to
get
the
job
done
at
the
end
of
the
day.
E
E
Background,
I
have
a
graduate
of
bachelor
of
science
degree
in
financial
management.
I
haven't
used
it
yet
in
my
career,
but
it
is
there
and
I
do
have
knowledge
of
the
field.
D
Sean
the
question
that
I've
been
asking
everyone
I've
seen
you
in
action
when
you
know
you
have
been
on
boards.
What's
your
philosophy
on
handling
clashes
with
another
member
on
the
board?
Well,.
E
On
point,
you
have
to
hear
everybody's
opinion.
If
I
was
an
expert
on
pensions,
I
wouldn't
say
my
answer
is
always
the
correct
answer
you
have
to
feel
out.
Both
sides
see
what's
best
for
the
community
community
of
in
a
whole
is
numero.
No,
that's
what
we
have
to
go
for
clashes
with
people.
E
A
E
I'm
not
ever
standing
for
anybody,
a
taxpayer
in
west
warwick,
I
have
no
background
or
any
tie
to
any
police
fire
or
municipal
union
taxpayer.
First,
of
course,
you
gotta
make
any
decision
that
affects
the
community
with
all
people
involved
and
have
everybody's
opinions
and
have
everybody's
hearts
of
the
matter
to
make
the
answer
and
to
make
the
question
go
forward,
whatever
it
is
with
a
pension
situation,
but
I
am
not
a
rubber
stamp
for
anybody
at
all.
Thank
you.
E
And
as
you've
known
on
the
school
committee,
I've
gone
against
members
of
my
own
family.
My
mother
was
a
teacher
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
what's
best
for
the
community.
A
No,
actually,
we
we've
gotten
to
work
with
you
when
you
were
on
the
school
committee.
I
know
it
wasn't
the
best
of
times
during
those
times
it
was
a
very
trial,
a
lot
of
demands
and
a
lot
of.
E
A
Actually
it's
a
last
resort.
This
is
gonna
be
strange.
Coming
from
my
mouth
remember,
jim
tom
is
saying
curb
appeal:
walk
out
to
your
street.
Look
at
your
house.
Look
to
the
left,
look
to
the
right
sure,
and
you
know
I
kind
of
remember
him
saying
that
clear
as
day
over
here
and
I
don't
know
if
you
got
it
from
somebody
else,
that's
one
thing
about
them.
A
This
this
council
will
one
of
the
things
that
will
be
known
for
good
things
is
trying
to
be
serious
about
cleaning
up
this
town.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
D
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
thank
all
the
candidates
for
coming
out
tonight.
Thank
you
all
for
taking
the
time
to
to
put
an
interest
in
the
pension
system
in
the
town
of
west
warwick.
Obviously
we're
only
looking
for
one
candidate
at
this
time.
We
do
have
other
board
openings,
though,
that
you
know
this.
One
may
not
be
the
one,
because
we're
only
choosing
one
out
of
six
or
seven
folks,
but
there
are
other
board
openings,
and
you
know
you
could
fill
one
of
those
vacancies
and
you
know
a
pension
board
opening.
A
David,
what
or
afraid
did
we
determine
whether
there
was
a
political
affiliation
had
anything?
Actually
what
we
confirmed
tonight
is
we
have
two
democrats,
two
unaffiliated.
So
realistically
you
can't
have
more
than
three
of
any
particular
party
and
we
only
have
two
of
each
right
now.
Okay,
so
it
doesn't
matter,
it
could
put
anybody
on.
Okay,
all
right
with
that
being
said,
ed,
you
want
to
make
a
motion
to
go
into
executive
session
yeah.
I.
A
That
we
go
into
executive
session
I'll
second,
all
right,
moving
second
to
go
into
executive
session,
all
in
favor
aye
opposed
eyes.
Have
it.
Thank
you,
everybody.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Two
minute
recess
yeah
have.