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A
Meeting
call
to
order
today
is
tuesday
november
28th.
It
is
now
601
p.m.
Town,
council,
special
meeting,
1170
main
street
west
council
military
yeah
councilman
mess
here
here:
councilman
padula,
yeah
council.
Vice
president
mika
yeah
council,
president
gosling
here
there's
a
quorum
jc
tag
day
december
first,
second
and
third
resolve
the
consent
agenda,
having
been
posted,
all
matters
being
referred
to
proper
departments
and
be
disposed
or
of
or
awaiting
recommendations.
The
same
is
hereby
approved,
move.
A
Move
the
secondary
discussion
hearing,
none
all
in
favor,
aye
opposed
eyes.
Have
it
municipal
call
applicants,
6
pm
applicant
raymond
lambert
ray
come
on
up
I'll,
just
bring
one
of
those
chairs.
A
A
A
Good
evening
ray,
how
are
you
all
right
got
two
applicants
ray
lambert's
the
first
one
and
second
one
is
norman
landrove.
I
have
some
questions.
I
know
each
and
every
one
of
you
have
questions
so
who
wants
to
stop,
want
to
go
left
to
right
right
to
left
chuckle.
D
I'd
like
to
start
by
by
saying
I
reviewed
the
applications
again,
the
resumes
again
quite
a
bit
since
thanksgiving,
and
I
wasn't
going
to
do
this,
but
I
reached
out
to
both
mr
lambert
and
ms,
mr
landrash
today.
Not
basically
saying
good
luck
and
is
there
anything
you
have
for
me,
so
I
felt
we,
you
know
as
an
independent
and
not
not
knowing
really
either
applicant
we're
hiring.
I
feel
we're
hiring
a
judge,
it's
a
extremely
important
position
and
we
need
to
give
this
due
diligence.
D
So
I've
come
up
with
a
few
questions.
I'm
going
to
ask
the
same
questions
to
you
that
I
am
to
mr
landrish.
First
one
going
over
the
your
resume
in
both
applicants
are
highly
qualified
here
and
I'm
not
an
attorney
and
I'm
not
a
judge.
So
any
questions
I
may
have
if
I
apologize,
if
I'm
speaking
in
a
different
jargon,
so
so
I
kept
them
very
basic.
But
looking
at
this
there's
a
lot,
your
resume
is
very
extensive.
D
E
Not
really
there's
a
few
things
in
there.
As
you
know,
as
you
all
know,
the
municipal
court
deals
with
police
matters,
but
it
also
deals
with
housing
matters
in
there.
I
just
put
that
I
was
an
assistant
solicitor
as
well
as
police
prosecutor,
but
when
I
was
the
assistant
solicitor,
one
of
my
jobs
was
to
sit
with
the
zoning
board,
which
means
property,
so
I'm
conversing
also
with
the
property
aspects.
E
I
sat
with
the
zoning
board
for
quite
some
time
says
quite
some
time
of
his
own
journey
other
than
that
I
didn't
fill
in
with
some
of
the
things
I
did
when
I
was
the
municipal
judge.
E
Okay,
I
created
the
court,
not
me
personally,
the
council
did
it,
but
I
was
a
legislative
drafting
attorney
at
the
time
and
I'm
I'm
the
one
that
was
asked
to
draft
the
statute,
creating
the
westwork
which
I
did
and
then
the
council,
in
their
wisdom,
I
guess,
chose
to
appoint
me.
So
I
had
I
at
that
point.
I
stepped
down
from
my
chairmanship
of
the
western
democratic
town
committee
because
I
felt
it
wasn't.
You
know
the
judge
should
not
be
involved
in
politics.
E
E
It
was
me
that
spotted
it
all
off,
because
nobody
knew
the
council
said:
hey,
you,
don't
know
anything
about
it,
so
I
drafted
the
legislation
and
then
talked
to
them
and
this
and
this
and
I'm
the
one
who
said
the
parameters
of
the
court,
the
guidelines
etc.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
in
my
office
I
have
a
big
frame
thing
that
the
newspaper
said
you
know,
landed
steps
down
from
politics
and
assumes
municipal
court
and
then
trespasses
open
up
the
court,
because
we
have
to
do
everything
from
scratch.
E
Other
than
that
one
of
the
highlights
I
had
as
a
municipal
court
judge,
I
don't
know
if
maybe
timmy
is
old
enough
to
remember
this,
the
crompton
mill.
It
was
a
fiasco.
That's
in
your
district
yeah.
It
was.
E
E
It
was
a
fiasco.
The
ownership
didn't
want
to
do
anything.
It
was
a
disrepair
and
everything
else.
So
anyway,
I
brought
it
to
a
head
and
then
the
municipal
court.
I
decided
it
once
and
for
all,
and
we
cleared
it
up
so
much
so
that
the
republican
council,
at
the
time
it
was
a
republican
council.
That's
why
I
was
born.
My
five-year
term
was
up
and
they
wanted
to
appoint.
E
Will
smith
was
a
federal
judge
now
that
was
the
republican
council,
because
I
was
past
democratic
chamber,
so
I
knew
that
was
coming,
but
they
held
me
over
for
several
months
so
that
I
could
finish
that
prompting
them
and
when
I
was
finished
with
it,
it
was
quite
surprising.
I
went
to
the
council
meeting
to
tell
you
that
you
know
everything's
done.
I
got
a
round
of
applause
from
the
republican
council,
so
I
always
thought
that
that
was.
That
was
one
of
the
highlights
of
being
on.
E
You
know
on
the
court
and
doing
what
I
had
to
do.
You
also
had
to
deal
with
some
kind
of
they
were
trying
to
put
a
strip
jump
on
ball
hill
road
over
there,
where
the
furniture
store
is
just
like
across
the
street
from
metropolitan,
and
I
had
to
deal
with
that
too.
E
My
education
is
is
very,
very
fortunate
that
you
know,
but
I
had
to
work
hard
for
that
to
get
scholarships
to
go
to
providence
college
and
I
have
to
work
very
hard
to
get
that,
and
so
I
was
very
fortunate
and
I
was
fortunate
in
being
one
of
the
20
people
chosen
to
spend
the
year
abroad
in
england,
studying
english
and
american
comparative
war,
and
basically
that
was
criminal
law,
because
that's
where
we,
the
common
law,
is
derived
from
that.
E
Now,
what's
interesting
in
my
application,
is
this?
If
you
guys
know
I
prosecuted
for
westward
as
one
side
and
obviously
for
45
years,
I've
been
defending
not
against
westward
but
like?
In
other
words,
you
could
prosecute
for
west
warwick
cases,
but
you
could
defend
in
coventry
and
commentary
charged
one
of
my
clients.
I
could
defend
that
in
district
court,
so.
E
Yes,
so
in
other
words,
if,
if
you
can
understand
where
I'm
coming
from
I
prosecuted
for
many
years,
I
defended
for
45
years-
and
I
was
a
judge
for
five
plus
years,
so
I
was
on
all
three
sides.
So
I
know
with
where
people
are
coming
from
one
side
plaintiff
defendant
and
the
judge.
Very
few
people
can
say
that
that
they
actually,
you
know,
did
all
three
things,
but
but
the
answer
to
you
comes
with
militia.
E
What
I
did
is,
I
did
not
take
any
cases
against
west
warwick
when
I
was
a
municipal
court
judge.
It
just
felt
strange
to
me.
I
didn't
get
an
ethics
opinion
or
anything.
I
just
felt
strange
that
on
wednesday,
that's
prosecution
day,
foreign
you're
in
there
defending
against
west
warren,
saying
that
the
police
office
is
wrong
or
whatever
and
the
next
day
on
the
thursday
you're
in
municipal
court.
E
D
E
And
I
don't
know
if
I
can
say
that
cause
impressed
me.
He
said
to
me,
I
said
you
know
I'm
thinking
of
applying
for
that
municipal.
E
To
basically,
oh,
I
didn't
see
that
yet
all
right
so
so,
in
other
words,
writing
tickets
for
money.
You
need,
I
think,
the
musical
call
somebody
to
hit
the
ground
running,
and
then
I
know
what
the
problems
are
in.
What's
work,
I've
not
only
been
a
practicing
attorney
for
45
years
I've
lived
in
west
warwick,
all
my
life
pretty
much
all
the
time
on
laramie
I
didn't
know
until
I
moved
to
111
north
avenue.
E
So
that's
why
I
feel
that
I'm
qualified
to
do
this
because
I
can
hit
the
ground
running.
I,
theoretically,
I
could
sit
tomorrow
because
I
know
I
I
do
what
norman
said
on
his
resume.
I
do
traffic
tribunal
and
district
co-op
superior
court.
I
do
all
that
too.
So
I
can
hit
the
ground
running.
You
know
tomorrow,
and
I
told
him
if
I
can
tell
another
story,
for
I
told
him
that
day
I
said
you
know
I
can
save
you
money
vietnamese
record
judge.
I
already.
A
Jay,
you
have
any
questions,
I'm
probably
gonna
have
more,
but
after
after
you,
gentlemen,
go,
but
I
just
wanna
say
after
24
years.
What
makes
you
at
this
point
in
time
decide
you
would
want
to
be
the
municipal
judge
again.
C
E
Practice
so
now
I
even
have
more
time
to
devote
to
the
musical
court
I
mean
I
could
sit
for
four
days
a
week
if
that's
what
the
council
wanted.
So
in
other
words,
I
felt
that,
under
the
circumstances,
johnny
was
doing
a
heck
of
a
job
with
that
now
he's
leaving.
So
I
said:
well,
I
I
think
I
can
fill
in
there
without
missing
a
beat,
and
so
I
said
I
can
do
that
because
I'm
still
I'm
still
very
healthy.
I
take
one
vitamin
pill
a
day.
That's
it
and
you
know
I
go
to
court.
E
E
C
E
Long
because
will
smith
went
for
he's,
a
federal
judge,
you
know
and
I'm
the
one
who
trained
him.
E
That
was
another
funny
story
about
that.
At
that
point
it
was
a
traffic
tribunal,
it
was
administrative,
adjudication
division,
the
court
right,
temp
and-
and
I
told
him
when
he
came
in
he
said
right.
You
know
what
I
said.
Well,
it's
almost
like
aad
right
then
he
says:
what's
that's
what
he
told
me
so
I
had
to
train
with
from
beginning
from
beginning
to
end.
What's
aad
I'll
see,
I
did
that
and
I
did
something.
A
Gonna,
do
brian,
oh,
do
you
have
any
others?
I
probably
will,
but
I'm
gonna,
let
you,
gentlemen,
go
go
ahead,
ray
what
housing
experience
and
traffic
experience
do
you
have.
E
I
represent
many
many
clients
in
traffic
tribunal,
which
is
you
wouldn't
call
it
a
mini
municipal
court,
but
it's
it's
almost
like
the
same
thing.
We
do
the
same
cases
and
that
between
the
traffic
tribunal
and
the
westward
municipal
court
or
coventry
or
whatever
I've
appeared
in
coventry
municipal
court
many
many
times.
Of
course,
I
did
westworks
municipal
court.
I've
appeared
in
traffic
tribe
unit
for
an
aad.
E
This
shows
you
how
old
is
for
45
years.
I've
been
doing
that
now,
the
housing.
As
I
told
you,
I
was
the
council
for
the
zoning
board
as
as
part
of
my
assistant,
solicitor's
ship,
and
so
therefore
I
had
to
acclimate
myself
with
property
rights
and
whatever,
and
you
know,
zoning
laws
and
everything
else.
I
did
that
for
quite
some
time
as
the
assistant
solicitor.
E
E
A
Yes,
so,
and,
and
one
I
actually
politically
put
you
on,
which
would
be
brought
to
canvases
from
1977
to
1995.
Those
were
all
appointments,
correct,
77,.
B
A
E
A
A
A
E
Board
of
campuses,
I
don't
do
any
political
understanding
because
I
don't
think
that's
right
yeah,
but
even
then
you
you
brought
it
up
the
board
of
canvases.
As
you
know,
I
know
you
all
know
what
we
had
to
go
through
with
the
councilman
padula
we
had
hearings
I
had
to.
I
had
to
write
an
order
for
the
the
election
board.
Mr
williamson
got
involved.
E
We
we
were
all
over
the
place
with
that
and
when
I
went
up
there
we
argued
the
board
of
canvas's
position.
They
had
said
how
come
you
didn't
show
up.
I
I
got
judge
erickson
of
all
people
to
apologize
to
us
for
saying,
okay.
Well,
we're
sorry,
that's
right!
You
weren't
invited
to
come
and
because
they
were
trying
to
say
we
didn't
come.
E
We
didn't
do
our
diligence
and
he
apologized,
but
yet
all
of
these
all
of
these
and
again,
like
legal
counsel,
senate
judiciary
committee,
like
can
you
are
you
still
with
the
yeah
say
he
can
do.
That's
got
nothing
to
do
with.
You
know
representing
clients.
Right
tim,
we
just
I.
I
was
legal
counsel
when,
when
senator
revenues
was
the
the
chairman
of
that
committee-
and
that's
a
big
committee,
just
like
timmy's
is
because
that
does
judicial
appointments
representing
that
committee
as
your
client,
yeah
and
and
that's
they
do
judicial
appointments.
E
In
other
words,
if
somebody,
if
the
governor
nominates
you
to
be
a
judge,
you've
got
to
go
before
the
senate
judiciary
committee
and
get
approved
by
them,
and
it's
only.
I
was
the
only
one,
I'm
the
only
boy,
just
like
timmy
he's,
probably
not
the
only
lawyer
for
house
judiciary
that
that's
a
big
appointment,
I'm
sure
timmy
knows
for
himself
and
then
from.
A
E
A
D
Okay,
so
some
of
my
questions
have
been
answered,
but
I
I
I
guess
I
have
a
philosophical
question
for
you.
So
I've
seen
you
on
the
board
of
canvases
I've
seen
you
in
action,
I'm
trying
to
envision
you,
as
the
municipal
court
judge.
What
is
your
approach
to
courtroom
justice
and
I'm
going
to
tie
that
in
with
what
are
some
of
your
personal
qualities
beyond
your
academic
experiences
that
you
think
will
contribute
to
your
ability
to
serve
as
a
municipal
court
judge,
okay,.
E
E
And
the
police,
my
prosecutor
and
stuff
said
we
don't
want
him
to
use
the
good
driving
statute,
because
it's
in
the
judge's
expression-
and
I
said,
wait
a
minute.
Anybody
and
everybody
can
use
it
as
long
as
they
qualify
can
use
a
good
driving
statute.
Why
do
you
not
want
me
busy?
Excessively?
No,
they
just
they
had
a
problem
with
him,
which
I
can
tell
you
on
the
q
a
and,
and
they
said
we
don't
want
you
to
do
it.
I
did
it
because
he
had
a
right.
E
You
know
to
have
it
whatever.
So,
even
like
the
republican
counsel.
For
some
reason
they
had
come
before
me
during
that
two
three
month
period
when
I
was
still
the
judge,
but
they
were
there,
I
would
have
said
they
got
right
if
you've
got
a
right
to
if
you're
eligible
for
the
good
driving
statute,
I'm
gonna
do
it.
E
D
E
And
I
try
to
make
it
actually,
unlike,
unlike
judge
caprio,
that
was
except
he's,
got
a
tv
program.
I'm
I'm
nice
to
the
people
because
I
mean
he's
the
taxpayers
of
the
a
lot
of
them
are
tax
payers
in
town
west
park
that
they're
coming
here
and
I
said
well,
listen,
you've
got
a
you
know,
you
were
speeding
and
you
this.
E
Can't
use
a
good
driving
factor,
so
you
know
I'm
gonna
do
this,
but
you
know
like
I
would
wave
you
know.
Maybe
the
costs,
if
they
you
know,
were
really
bad
and
off
financially
and
stuff
like
that.
But
I
you
know,
I'm
not
a
you
know:
bullying
vagina
shopping.
E
B
B
B
You
always
went
by
the
book,
and
you
proved
it
again
during
election
time
when
I
was
going
through
that
problem
and
I'm
not
going
to
bring
up
what
it
was
a
dog
and
pony
show
the
people
spoke,
and
they
knew
it
was
a
dog
and
pony
show.
I
never
called
you.
I
never
asked
you
for
a
favor.
B
I
never
you
never
called
me
you.
I
knew
I
had
enough
confidence
in
you
that
you
would
go
for
what
was
right
and
you
always
have
been
that,
whether
we
agreed
or
disagreed-
and
I
fully
respect
you
in
public
I'll-
tell
you
whether
we
got
along
or
not.
I
always
respected
you
for
your
firmness,
for
your
fairness
and
you
always
took
it
to
you
always
had
consideration
and
you
never
went
right
or
left.
You
went
straight
by
the
law
and
you
did
the
right
thing
that
I
have
to
begin.
B
B
It
was
always
fact
and
whenever
I
checked-
and
I
do,
I
have
many
friends
that
are
solicitors
and
attorneys,
and
I
ask
because,
like
councilman
lichardi
said,
we're
no
attorneys
and
a
little
bit
of
knowledge
is
dangerous.
So
I
asked
not
one
two.
I
asked
three
or
four
attorneys
and
like
I'll
call
periodically
15
or
20
of
my
constituents
randomly
pick
them.
B
Not
knowing
them
just
knowing
them
through
campaigning
and
that's
what
their
opinions
are
or
something,
and
that's
how
I
make
my
decisions,
and
I
know
how
you
make
yours
so
a
good
point
which
has
me
your
resume
is
impeccable,
it's
something
to
be
proud
of,
and
you
are
not
trying
to
build
a
law
firm.
No,
you!
You
do
not
represent
people
in
municipal
court
and
I'm
appointed
right
and.
E
He's
lying
now,
the
next
day
you're
going
to
be
in
here
he's
oh
yeah,
that
you
know
trying
to
say
that
somebody
was
speeding
and
you've
got
to
say:
okay,
listen
to
him,
listen
to
the
you
know
the
other
side
and
try
and
make
that
decision.
That's
where
it
comes
once
you
put
that
robot
you've
got
to
make
a
decision,
sometimes
and
and
sometimes
it's
very
difficult,
and
I
just
feel
good.
Let
me
let
me
point
out
one
thing
and
tim
knows
this.
I
know
he
knows
this.
E
Perception
so
something
can
be
said,
this
ain't,
a
conflict,
okay,
but
it
don't
look
good.
You
see
what
I'm
saying
and-
and
I
don't
think
it
looks
good
to
you-
know-
to
be
in
district
court
on
one
day
and
you
know.
B
And
another
thing
and
another
thing
I
respect
about
you:
you
went
against
the
system
when
it
was
your
own
party.
I've
sat
side
by
side
with
you
at
the
democratic
committee.
If
you
didn't
like
starting
or
something
wasn't
fair,
you
spoke
up.
You
didn't
care
who
you
got
calls
from
because
you
dug
in
deeper,
and
you
proved
your
point
and
that's
what
I
want
to
do.
I
want
to
take
the
politics
out
of
disappointment.
It
is
a
political
appointment
but
to
an
extent
where
a
resume
like
this
is
impeccable.
E
Wanted
to
say
one
more
thing
because
that's
another
question
to
council.
Vice
president,
my
personality,
you
can
check
the
canvas
board,
they
don't
want
me
to
leave.
They
don't
want
me
to
leave
the
canvas
for
it
because
brett's
right
here,
you
know,
if
I
can
say
this
nancy
leblanc
has
called
me.
They
lost
me
and
they
don't
want
me
to
leave
the
canvas
board,
but
I
said
this
might
help
the
town
better
than
the
campus
board.
E
You
know
I
can
make
some
money
for
the
town,
but
that's
not
the
prime
interest.
I
got
to
be
honest
with
you
but
in
other
words
the
canvas
board
and
I
asked
councilman
padula.
I
said
to
him.
I
said
you
know
if
I
leave
the
canvas
book
he's
been
they
come
after
him
every
year,
and
I
said
if
I
leave
the
canvas
board,
you
had
a
problem,
though
you
know,
with
five
votes
and
and
you
wrote-
and
I
was
very
fair
with
you.
B
Ray
there's
another
rumor
going
around
that
and
I
had
conversations
with
the
few
bur
included
jp
millet.
There
was
a
rumor
going
around
that.
If
you
got
the
pro
municipal
court
judge
that
they
would
all
quit
and
that's
false.
No,
that's
not!
I
asked
jp
if
he
would
be
able
to
handle
if
you
were
appointed
the
the
canvassing
board-
and
he
said
definitely
I
can
he
was
a
former
councilman
been
involved.
B
I
know
bert,
don't
want
any
part
of
being
chairman
and
I
know
nancy
parente
don't
want
any
part
of
being
chairman
and
that's
a
pretty
good
board,
because
it's,
whether
you
go
for
the
right
you
go
for
what's
right
and
that
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that.
Maybe
if
he
didn't
get
appointed,
maybe
they
would
quit,
but.
A
A
E
D
D
C
D
A
B
E
E
E
I
would
keep
them
both.
I
don't
think,
there's
a
conflict
there
either
between
those
two
positions
and
another
thing
I
wanted
to
say:
angela
brought
it
up
and
you
did
two
council
vice
president
about
fairness,
and
you
know
his
personality.
This
last
election
was
very
contentious.
E
The
boy
found
for
angelo
against
stranahan,
I
mean
you
know,
etc,
and
then,
but
there
was
another
incident
where
somebody
was
running
for
school
committee
in
ward
four,
I
believe,
and
he
was
a
republican,
but
he
lived
in
a
house
on
the
side
of
the
house
that
was
his
residence
or
something
like
that.
Does
everybody
anybody
remember
that
I
do
okay,
joe
florio's
here
he
we
we
listen
to
it.
We
let
him
know
he
was
a
republican.
Felix
would
see
a
feel
someone
was
yelling
and
screaming
we
let
him
run
republican.
E
At
the
last
financial
time,
not
the
financial
time
meeting
the
all-day
referendum,
mrs
satchel,
what's
her
name
now
I
don't
know
she
came
in
she
wanted
to
vote.
She
had
changed
the
voting
address
to
coventry
and
stuff.
E
E
Certain
things
you
know,
people
ask,
you
know:
eating
half
flour,
yeah,
that's
the
old
homestead,
but,
like
I
look,
I
got
a
lawyer,
but
I
live
in
111
north
avenue.
I've
been
voting
there.
You
know
that
I'm
that's
your
work
for
88
years
and
I've
been
you
know,
but
there's
one
thing
you
brought
up
that
I
wanted
to
say
and
I'm
sure
it
might
imply
to
timmy
too
45
years
of
practicing
war,
no
disciplinary
complaints,
none
to
the
disciplinary
boy,
no
lawsuits
on
my
malpractice,
etc.
E
Nothing.
My
record
is
completely
clean,
45
and
a
half
years.
I'm
proud
of
that.
You
should
be
no
client
has
ever
sued
me
and
no,
no,
I
haven't
had
any
disciplinary
complaints.
A
B
Norman
all
right
norman
we're
going
to
stop
from.
A
My
left
to
right,
we
have
some
questions
answering
the
best
you
can
and
we're
not
looking
at
you,
because
we're
writing
sure.
So
don't
take
that
person.
D
I'm
going
to
start
by
saying
the
same
thing
I
said
to
mr
lambert.
I
reviewed
the
the
resumes
extensively
since
thanksgiving
they're,
both
excellent
I'm,
not
a
judge
and
I'm
not
a
lawyer.
So
again,
forgive
me
for
anything
if
I
miss
the
jargon
but-
and
I
I
spoke
with
you
today,
the
same
as
I
spoke
with
with
mr
amber
just
to
say:
good
luck
and
you
know
it's
a
judge,
so
it's
pretty
important.
D
So
I
have
a
few
questions.
I'm
just
going
to
ask
the
same
same
ones
be
consistent.
Looking
at
your
resume
is
there
anything
that
you
did
not
include
in
your
resume
that
you
would
like
to
mention
pertaining
to
this
position.
C
Anything
more
I
mean
as
far
as
just
my
personal
life
and
the
things
about
me
really
being
all
about
westwork
and
living
in
this
town,
raising
my
children
here
and
going
through
the
west
florida
school
system.
I
mean
certainly
there's
those
aspects
of
my
personal
life
that
you
know
are
beyond
the
four
corners
of
you
know
my
education,
my
upbringing,
so
most
of
my
acumen
is
within
the
lesson
I
have
and
I
sent
forward
in
my
colorado.
C
C
Well,
I
I
do
think.
Certainly
you
have
two
qualified
candidates
in
front
of
you.
Certainly
I
respect
mr
lambert,
I've
known
ray
for
quite
some
time,
both
at
a
personal
level
and
certainly
as
a
lawyer
within
the
courtrooms
on
the
difficult
thing
I
think
during
this
process,
is
you
have
to
kind
of
be
your
own
cheerleader?
C
It's
nothing!
I
usually
normally
do
about
speaking
great
about
myself
or
trying
to
you
know
plug
someone
other
than
yourself.
So
I
I
think,
if
you
look
at
my
resume,
I
I've
been
a
practicing
attorney.
Now
I
went
to
roger
williams
law
school,
the
first
time
roger
williams
opened
up
and
it
was
the
extended
program.
So
at
that
time
I
struggled
through
law
school
at
night
my
wife
actually
had
my
three-year-old
daughter.
C
She
was
pregnant
with
my
second
daughter
and,
of
course,
by
the
time
I
got
out
of
law
school
in
that
over
the
next
three
years
and
the
summer
sessions
I
had
three
children
when
I
graduated
from
that
point.
I've
been
practicing
regularly
with
only
one
firm.
The
firm
is
murphy
and
faye.
C
My
two
bosses,
one
being
mark
fay,
he's
a
civil
attorney.
The
civil
plaintiff's
work
he's
been
practicing
for
about
30
years.
My
other
boss
is
known
to
people
in
west.
Warwick
is
bill.
Murphy
he's
a
criminal
attorney
practicing
somewhere
in
the
same
amount
of
time,
20
30
years
from
day,
one
with
them.
I've
been
in
the
courtroom.
I've
been
in
the
courtroom,
both
trying
cases,
pre-trying
cases
handling
all
aspects
of
cases.
I
you
know.
C
If
you
look
to
the
percentage
of
where
I
am,
I
would
think
if
I
could
break
it
down
for
you,
I
would
say
70
of
my
practice.
What
I
do
for
the
firm
is
either
district
court
work
or
rhode,
island
traffic
tribunal
work,
which
includes,
of
course,
municipal
court
work.
The
additional
thirty
percent
is
usually
in
superior
court
criminal
cases
and
some
civil
work
not
as
much
civil
work,
but
certainly
now
I'll
delve,
certainly
more
into
the
civil
area
as
well.
C
So
I
I
do
think
I
have
the
experience.
I
do
think
I've
handled
every
aspect
of
what
litigation
or
what
even
madness
will
be
here.
I
have
a
lot
of
work
for
the
traffic
tribunal.
Certainly
in
respects
to
any
moving
violations
that
may
come
in
front
of
this
court.
I
know
I
certainly
could
handle
them.
Will
it
be
something
new
to
me
sitting
as
a
judge?
C
I
don't,
I
can't
tell
you
won't
be
instead
of
advocating
just
for
one
position
or
defending
an
aspect
of
it
now
I'll
be
hearing
a
case,
but
a
ruling
on
it,
and
I
think
I
can
do
that
and
I
think
I'm
ready
for
that.
I
am
51
years
old.
I
do
know
that
I'm
quite
no
disrespect
gray,
I'm
quite
younger
than
the
other
candidate,
but
I
do
believe
I'm
up
to
speed
to
be
able
to
to
handle
myself
as
a
municipal
court
judge.
If
you
choose
to
call
me.
A
E
C
That's
a
tough
question
because
of
course
I
know
ray
certainly
has
many
more
years
indeed,
but
I
think
now
being
where
I
am,
as
the
laws
change
the
courts.
Change
is
also
the
way
that
we
do
do.
Litigation
changes
everything's
going
to
a
modern
technology
era.
Okay,
so
now
the
e-filings
are
in
certainly
something
that's
newer
to
most
courts.
It
just
started
in
superior
court.
A
few
months
ago
in
the
criminal
divisions,
the
traffic
tribunal
has
been
online
e-filing,
I'm
well
versed
in
the
e-filing
system.
C
I
do
know
that
we're
not
connected
municipal
courts
to
the
e-filing
system
as
at
this
point,
but
I
think
that's
something
that
we're
probably
going
to
be
going
someday.
We
deal
out
of
a
portal,
we
utilize
the
portal,
I
think
we're
municipal
courts
to
communicate
privately
with
the
traffic
tribunal.
C
So
I
have
my
hands
on
the
newer
technology.
I
can
speak
for
myself
as
far
as
the
ability
to
utilize
the
computers
as
far
as
filing
paperwork.
I
think,
sooner
or
later
we're
going
to
get
away
from
all
people,
and
I
think
things
will
we're
going
to
slowly
accept
them.
It's
difficult
for
some
people
to
accept
them.
I've
taken
the
position
to
go
with
how
the
courts
are
changing.
C
I
do
believe
that
the
municipal
courts
will
certainly
be
going
there
and
I
think
everyone
should
be
up
to
speed.
I
think
I
bring
that
as
far
as
getting
a
prize
of
those
scenarios
we
deal
with
the
dmv
regularly
by
computer,
most
of
our
transmissions
between
them
ourselves
or
dispositions
from
the
traffic
court
or
any
thought
go
directly
by
computer.
C
So
that's
something
I
think
I
bring
that's
very
valuable.
Thank
you.
A
Anything
else,
no
man,
you
basically
said
you
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
the
traffic
tribunal.
So
what
housing
experience
and
traffic
experience,
because
now
we
have
a
lot
of
housing
management.
Sure.
C
So
the
housing
I
mean
I'll,
be
the
first
one
to
tell
you.
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
experience.
Housing
I've
certainly
never
sat
within
a
housing
housing
issue.
I
do
know
that
the
minimal
housing
issues
come
here,
certainly
at
first
blush
they
have
the
novo
review
of
district
court.
I
do
those
violations
of
ordinances,
both
the
building
and
zoning
also
come
here,
and
then
they
go
to
superior
court
within
10
days.
You
know
I
I
I
do
tell
you
that
I
was
a
firefighter
that's
on
my
resume
for
21
years.
C
So
certainly
I'm
well
aware
of
the
issues
in
west
florida,
just
in
my
career
as
far
as
minimum
housing
violations
as
far
as
those
issues,
whether
they're
zoning
building
issues
or
the
like.
So
it's
something.
I
certainly
think
that
it's
going
to
take
me
a
little
time,
there's
going
to
be
a
learning
curve
with
me.
There
may
not
be
mr
lambert,
but
I
certainly
say
there
will
be
I'll,
be
honest
with
you
a
little
learning
curve,
but
I
do
know
within
the
people
I'd
be
working
with.
C
If
I'm
on
this
court,
the
building
officials,
the
fire
department
which
I've
already
worked
with
in
the
past,
you
know
the
lawyers
said
about
out
the
fiori
and
certainly
in
respect
for
receiverships
the
solicitor
himself.
I
I
think
I'll
be
able
to
bring
all
the
parties
together
and
try
to
look
to
see
what
is
a
resolve
in
these
certain
areas.
C
I
do
know
a
lot
of
the
issues,
certainly
with
any
violations
of
the
like
it's
about
the
ability
to
give
time
give
relief
and
the
life
I
mean,
we've
seen
that
when
the
fire
code
changed
very
drastically
after
the
station
fire.
Now
the
fire
code
of
appeals,
which
I've
appeared
in
front
of
quite
a
bit,
it's
about
getting
relief
or
bringing
the
parties
together.
What
needs
to
be
done?
Is
there
a
timeline?
C
Certainly
a
lot
of
the
folks
that
will
be
in
front
of
the
municipal
court,
our
town
residents,
our
town,
taxpayers
and
the
like.
I
certainly
got
to
see
it
as
a
perspective
sitting
as
a
westward
municipal
judge
that
these
parties
have
some.
You
know
certainly
some
standing
in
some
genuine
issues
being
here
and
you
hope
you
can
at
least
bring
the
results
into
that
in
that
aspect,.
A
Since
you
said,
I
want
to
put
you
on
the
spot
a
little
bit
station
fire,
you
might
not
want
to
say
but
who's,
one
of
the
very
first
people
there.
If
not
the
first
person.
C
Well,
I
mean
I
was
on
that
evening.
I
don't
speak
about
it
publicly,
a
lot,
but
certainly
I
was
on
the
latter
first
ladder
company
with
my
partner,
david
pimento
and
the
engine
company
with
lieutenant
rogers
saint
jean
and
aaron
perkins.
So
when
did
you
retire
sorry?
What
year
did
you
retire
from
hospital?
I
retired.
In
my
when
I
hit
my
21st
year
in
westwood,
I
was
a
young
age
of
46
years
old,
but
I
did
have
the
appropriate
time,
not
your
age.
What,
year,
what.
B
A
C
Yeah
I'll
address
that,
and
certainly
I
did
have
a
conversation
with
the
ethics
attorney
as
well.
A
little
history
of
just
conflict,
of
course
conflict
is
something
that
all
lawyers
and
ethics
all
lawyers
should
worry
about.
Certainly,
I
would
never
want
to
put
my
bar
license
or
my
ability
to
practice
law
in
any
promised
way.
C
That's
the
first
thing
I
look
at,
but
starting
with
even
judge
romero,
who
sat
here
when
he
initially
took
this
judge
judge
years
ago,
he
himself
in
1998
asked
for
a
advisory
opinion
that
was
rules
and
that
that
allowed
him
to
rule
about
the
conflicts
of
appearing
in
front
of
any
other
entity
in
this
town.
C
When
I
say
entity,
I
mean
town
board,
the
probate
court,
the
planning,
the
zoning,
the
light
and
the
advisory
opinion
came
back
that
as
long
as
there's
no
subject
matter
in
the
municipal
court,
you
have
the
ability
to
sit
as
a
municipal
court
judge
with
no
conflict
and,
of
course,
if
there's
no
financial
gain
from
any
of,
of
course,
what
it
would.
It
would
be.
C
Anyone
for
my
firm
murphy
and
faye,
or
anyone
coming
in
front
of
me
from
my
friend,
which
of
course
would
never
happen
and
and
further
they
gave
me
some
cases
and
the
last
one,
which
is
the
most
pertinent
to
my
situation,
was
clearly.
I
do
private
criminal
defense
work
and
I
do
quite
a
bit
of
defense
work
and
I
do
get
a
lot
of
defense
work
from
the
tongue
bus
one.
C
There
was
a
2003
opinion.
It
was
robert
humphreys,
actually
a
colleague
and
a
friend
of
mine.
He
is
partners
with
his
brothers
at
the
time
intimidating.
They
do
private
criminal
defense
work.
That
advisory
opinion
is
still
good.
He
asked
the
town
of
the
ethics
board
if
he
could
maintain
his
private
representation
of
criminal
clients
in
front
of
the
district
court
when
they
are
charged
by
his
own
town,
the
town
of
tibetan.
C
If
he
sat
as
an
appointed
municipal
court
judge-
and
they
ruled
yes,
he
can
as
long
as
that
subject
matter
does
not
come
before
the
court
as
long
as
he
has
no
access
to
confidential
information
to
those
cases
alike.
So
if
I
could
shed
maybe
something
about
my
representation,
if
it
would
be
a
a
dui
that
westward
charges,
of
course,
I
don't
sign
it,
I
don't
sign
it.
I
don't
have
to
take
any
partner
or
am
I
consulted
by
the
police
department.
C
The
dui
would
go
to
district
court
if
it
was
a
chemical
test
refusal
or
moving
violations.
One
could
end
up
in
the
municipal
court.
I
can't
tell
you
they
can't,
but
under
the
rules
of
the
traffic
tribunal,
the
municipal
court
judge
doesn't
really
necessarily
have
to
recuse
himself.
He
can
just
ask
the
templar
to
transfer
that
one
violation
to
the
traffic
tribunal
which
will
handle
that
jurisdiction.
C
Will
it
happen?
It
may
happen?
Will
it
happen
a
lot?
I
don't
know.
I
certainly
know
both
ray
and
I
would,
as
john
did
experience
former
clients
and
clients
that,
of
course,
we'd
have
a
conflict
with
I
mean
we'd
have
to
move
it
to
the
traffic
tribunal,
so
it
would
be
heard
there.
We
can't.
We
can't
certainly
hear
those
things
so
the
answer.
In
short,
I
don't
see
it
being
a
conflict
sitting
in
a
municipal
court
judge.
Certainly,
I
know
the
jurisdiction
of
this
court.
C
I
know
the
ability
to
transfer
violations
if
they
are
attached
in
any
which
way
or
form
I
would
not
be
privy
to
in
well.
I
would
be
privy
to
the
information
if
I
was
in
the
district
court
case,
because
I
have
the
ability
to
file
discovery
in
that
case,
but
I
would
never
put
you
know
I
would
never
take.
C
D
Okay,
norman,
so
I
have
two
questions.
One
deals
with
philosophy,
essentially,
a
philosophical
ideas
regarding
the
judiciary.
So
what
will
your
approach
to
courtroom
justice
be.
C
That's
a
great
question:
you
know
I
I
think
I
I
do
have
to
give
some
kudos
to
the
the
judge
who
just
retired
here
in
you
know
west
florida,
and
I
think,
if
I
could
emulate
a
little
of
john
bonillo's
style.
I
mean
I
think
everyone
takes
a
little
piece
of
those
judges
or
those
aspects
of
judges
they
like.
They
would
take
that
and
say
that
john,
I
I
think
the
and
I
think
how
I
would
approach
it.
I
certainly
want
to
make
the
the
forum
of
the
municipal
court
comfortable.
C
I
do
know
that
probably
most
of
the
people
that
will
come
in
front
of
this
court
are
pro
se
litigants,
maybe
their
first
time
into
any
type
of
court,
and
they
might
think
this
is
the
supreme
court.
So
I
I
think
it
has
to
be
a
comfortable
setting
and
sure
there'll
be
a
judge
in
front
of
you,
but
I
think
they
have
to
feel
comfortable.
C
I
think
one
of
the
biggest
biggest
things
is
to
listen
to
people,
listen
to
them
and
listen
to
them,
and
they
want
to
be
heard
and-
and
then
ultimately
I
would
like
to
see
that
fairness
or
justice
is
is
put
out
there
when
I,
when
I
say
that
I
can
go
to
court
and
I
can
go
in
front
of
the
judge
and
I
can
represent
a
client
and
I
may
not
get
the
best
results,
but
when
I
can
walk
down
knowing
I
went
in
front
of
a
judge
that
made
me
feel
good
that
hurt
my
client
and
may
have
ruled
against
me
and
my
client,
I
think
that's,
I
think,
that's
a
good
thing
and
I
hope
people
that
come
in
front
of
this
court,
if
I'm
appointed,
might
take
it
within
that.
D
C
Well,
I
think
again
I'll
say
I
listen
well
and
I
think
that's
one
of
the
most
important
aspects
of
listening,
because
you're
actually
listening
those
in
front
of
you,
where,
in
my
other
role
as
an
attorney
you're
advocating-
and
I
do
believe,
I
think
I
have
a
good
ability
to
listen.
Listen.
I
raised
three
children
at
this
point.
They
are
25
one
only
24,
my
youngest
is
20.
all
women.
I
live
with
four
women.
C
E
A
B
No,
I'm
going
to
see
your
resume
when
you
started.
You
were
employed
for
the
town
from
1991
to
2011.,
you
retired,
in
your
40s.
Now
I
see
that
you
went
to
you
got
your
law
degree
in
1998.
While
you
were
employed
for
the
town
of
west
wallace,
that's
right!
So
you
did
you
go
part-time.
While
you
were
firemen
to
get
your
law
degree.
I.
C
Did
so
that's
again
the
extended
program
at
night,
roger
williams
offered,
so
that
was
for
a
lot
of
you
know
the
older
second
job
opportunity,
people
that
went
for
further
their
education.
So
I
did
go
part
time
at
night,
saturdays
and
summers.
Yes,
I
I
was
employed
full-time
as
the
fighter
and
councilman.
You
know
I
had
the
ability
to
do
mutual
agreement
switches
with
all
my
dear
firefighters
in
west
warwick
and
and
they
they
saved
me
with
that.
C
So
I
owed
them
a
day,
but
certainly
I
had
the
ability-
and
it
was
tough
raising
kids
at
the
same
time,
but
I
did
I
I
was
able
to
go
a
part-time
at
night
in
the
summers
as
I
was
full.
B
Good
for
you,
the
other
question
you
you're,
not
an
active
member
of
the
democratic
town
committee
any
longer,
and
now
what
just
puzzles
me
a
little
bit
you
work
for
murphy
and
faye,
which
is
a
great
law
firm.
B
You
represent
hundreds
of
clients
and
my
question
is:
you:
are
a
an
associate
partner
in
murphy
and
faye,
now
you're
going
to
be
risking
all
the
cases
that
are
against
the
town
of
west
warwick
and
your
law
firm,
which
will
not
be
able
to
handle
any
district
or
superior
court
against
the
town
of
west
warwick?
B
B
E
B
B
B
C
Do
and
I
I
think,
I've
already
spoken
on
the
conflict
there
there
would
be
no
conflict
and
I
I
certainly
will
get
you
an
ethics
opinion
to
that
aspect,
and
I
spoke
on
both
the
which
is
the
most
pertaining
to
me
applying
for
this
job.
The
humphrey
advisory
opinion
is
that
I
could
still
represent
clients
councilman
in
the
district
court
that
the
town
of
west
warring
has
charged.
C
I
could
still
ch
represent
clients
in
the
superior
court
and
felonies
matters
that
the
town
of
westworld
has
charged
because
that
subject
matter
of
jurisdiction
is
not
with
the
municipal
report.
B
Do
you
do
you
see
where
I'm
getting
at
one
one,
one
seat,
you're,
sitting
you're
defending
the
town
of
west
warwick
and
the
west
ward
police
department
for
stopping
that
certain
individual
for
speeding
or
park
or
or
whatever
criminal
charge
he's
charged
with?
And
then
you're
gonna
go
to
superior
court
and
you're
going
to
defend
him
against
the
same
fine
you're,
giving
that
person
that
comes
before
you
in
in
municipal
court.
C
Well,
no
misdemeanors
from
this
report
nor
felonies
come
in
front
of
the
municipal
court.
If
anything,
if
it's
a
related,
dui
or
a
reckless
driving
charge
that
a
another
summons
might
be
coming
to
this
court.
That
would
be
what
I
spoke
about
about
transferring
that
to
the
rhode
island
traffic
tribunal.
There
is
no
question.
There
is
going
to
be
two
different
roles
with
me.
I'm
not
I'm
not
prosecuting
the
violation
that
would
be
in
front
of
the
municipal
court.
C
That
is
not
against
the
cannons
or
the
ethics
of
that
and-
and
you
know,
even
judge
brenero
I
mean,
if
you
just
appeared
in
front
of
the
probate
court
or
planning
or
zoning.
It's
the
same
thing
councilman
well,.
B
That
was
always
that
was
always
brought
up
by
the
constituents.
How
can
you
represent
a
municipal
court
and
johnny
always
had
that
and
then
you're
before
the
planning
board
going
for
land
development
or
something
that
was
always
always
perception
set
right.
C
C
Norman,
can
I
just
thank
each
and
every
one
of
you.
I
do.
I
think,
thank
you,
scott.
I
would
think
that
you
jumped
right
to
the
questions,
but
I
do
appreciate
this
opportunity.
I
I
I
would
like
the
opportunity
to
be
appointed
to
miss
support.
I
certainly
will
be
working
for
you,
the
town
council,
and
I
will
take
it
very
seriously
and
certainly
do
the
best
of
my
ability-
and
I
wish
ray
the
best
of
luck
as
well
so
and.
A
You
very
much
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
great
night.
Thank
you
guys.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
reckon
one
of
your
kids
heard
what
you
said
about
living
with
four
women.
She
snuck
in
behind
all
you.
Thank
you
very
much
thanks.
Thank
you.
I
grew
up
with
five
sisters.
I
know
the
feeling
yeah
explains
the
candles
all
right
next
steps.
We
can
talk
about
it
next
week,
ernie's
going
to
be
sending
out
an
email
to
have
executive
session
about
our
email
he
sent
us
today,
so
we
could
talk
about
it.
A
D
One
thing
to
say
which
it's
just
it's
bothering
me
and
this
has
come
up
regarding
the
position
twice
already
and
I
don't
think
there's
anything
malicious
behind
it,
but
I
don't
think
it's
irrelevant
whether
an
applicant
is
25,
45,
75
or
105
and
and
ages
has
come
up
twice
already
and-
and
I
just
don't
think
again,
I
don't
think
it's
malicious,
but
I
just
don't
think
it's
appropriate
when
we're
hiring
anybody.
D
A
C
A
D
B
If
I
had
to
vote
for
a
younger
one
or
an
older
one,
I
go
for
a
younger
one.
I.