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The
one
thing
I'd
like
to
before
we
introduce
our
guest
is
that
please
do
not
discuss
the
issues
pertaining
to
the
wilson
matter
or
the
spot
that
matter
as
they
are
still
pending
in
one
shape,
form
or
manner.
So
don't
ask
specific
questions
of
those,
those
particular
cases,
but
with
that
I
would
ask
that
I
guess
neil
you're
going
to
be.
Excuse
me
sean.
Are
you
going
to
be
the
lead
guy?
G
All
right,
kayla,
shawn
and
kate
are
all
here
from
the
attorney
general's
office.
They're
all
special
assistant
attorney
generals.
They
work
day
in
day
out
with
the
oma
and
the
apra,
so
they're
going
to
do
a
presentation
and
then
for
each
half
there'll
be
questions,
and
I
guess
we
can
just
go
from
there.
E
To
the
corners
a
little
bit,
so
we
can
both
speak
to
the
counselors,
as
well
as
the
members
of
the
audience,
and
thank
you
again
for
having
us
here.
I'm
sean
linus,
kayla
roarke
we're
both
from
the
attorney
general's
office.
Captain
sadiq
our
unit
chief,
is
here
as
well,
and
we're
really
pleased
to
be
here
and
speak
tonight
about
the
access
to
public
records
act
as
well
as
the
open
meetings
act.
We're
gonna
try
to
keep
it
to
about
an
hour.
E
E
You
know
presentation
so
to
the
extent
that
you
have
questions
throughout,
you
know
feel
free
to
raise
your
hand,
obviously
have
time
for
questions
at
the
end
as
well.
But
if
you
have
questions
throughout
work,
we're
showing
you
how
to
make
things
as
well.
So
let's
get
started
with
the
access
develop
records
act.
I
think
most
of
you
just
have
the
handouts.
You
can
either
see
it
up
there
or
in
the
handouts
as
well
and
we'll
just
sort
of.
E
The
access
to
public
records
act,
you
know,
I
think
the
act
itself
makes
very
clear
what
the
exit
public
records
act
is
about
and
I
think
most
people
sort
of
get
the
first
part
of
it
right
the
public's
right
to
access
public
records
right.
It
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
That's
what
it's
about
about
providing
access
to
the
public,
but
there's
a
second
component
as
well,
which
the
general
assembly
has
put
into
the
definition
or
into
the
purpose
of
the
access
to
public.
E
F
E
E
F
E
And
you
know
this
is
supposed
to
be
sort
of
a
humorous
clip.
I
think
a
little
more
humorous
with
the
with
the
sound
on,
but
you
know-
and
I
think
I
think
part
of
the
reason
why
it's
a
little
humorous
is
because
there's
a
little
carnal
truth
to
it.
I
think
you
know
for
some
folks:
that's
how
they,
you
know,
experience
the
accessible
records
act
or
public
records
act.
More
generally,
you
know
so
when
we're
talking
about
providing
access
to
folks
to
public
records.
E
E
E
End
of
the
public
records
portion,
but
you
know
certainly
this
stuff
makes
the
news
right
drag
this
out
as
long
as
possible.
This
is
a
really
egregious
case
where
I
think
it
was
someone
on
the
mayor's
staff
who's
trying
to
keep
records
from
the
public,
but
it
made
national
headlines.
So
again,
it's
just
sort
of
to
be
very
mindful
that
this
stuff
is
very
important
to
people.
It's
a
really
solemn
obligation
that
we
have,
and
you
know
you
certainly
don't
want.
H
H
So
the
to
public
records
act
applies
only
to
public
bodies
and
the
act
defines
a
public
body
as
any
branch
or
division
of
state
review
government.
Then
the
second
part
of
that
also
applies
to
any
person,
entity
or
corporation
acting
in
place
of
or
on
behalf
of
any
public
agency.
There's
two
parts
there.
So
of
course
you
have
your
your
town
councils,
your
school
committees,
those
public
bodies
and
then
anyone
acting
on
behalf
of
those
public
bodies
as
well
may
qualify
as
a
public
body
pursuant
to
the
definition
in
the
emperor.
H
So
when
you
get
a
request
for
public
records
in
the
first
question,
you
have
to
ask
yourself
is
whether
it's
a
request
may
be
put
into
the
access
of
public
records
action,
so
we're
going
to
get
into
a
little
bit
more
of
a
form
of
requests
a
little
bit
later
in
the
slides,
because
there's
no
specific
form
or
magic
words
that
need
to
alert
you
that
it's
an
access
to
public
records
after
a
quest.
Normally
it's
just
a
request
to
access
documents
and
that's
what
at
the
bottom
of
this
slide
here.
D
H
Is
that
yes,
so
documents
that
we
have
within
our
government
warehouse
is
that
they're
public
records
subject
to
whatever
exemptions
that
may
be
applicable,
but
the
broad
definition
of
a
public
record
is
material
material
regardless
of
porn
that's
made
or
received
in
the
transaction
with
official
business.
That's
pretty
much
everything
that
we
do
within
the
government,
state
or
local,
and
then
the
second
part
of
this
is
also
any
records
maintained
or
kept
on
file
by
your
public
body
that
are
made
in
the
transaction
of
official
business.
H
So
it
doesn't
necessarily
mean
documents
that
you
created
yourselves
within
your
public
body,
but
anything
you
receive
or
maintain
within
your
files,
so
it
could
be
email
sent
from
another
agency
or
another
department,
maybe
a
report
from
a
consultant.
Those
may
be
subject
to
the
access
to
public
records
after
it
could
be
disclosed
so
a
reasonable
search.
This
is
one
of
my
favorite
slides.
H
There
are
no
bright
line
rules
so
what
qualifies
as
a
reasonable
search,
but
when
you
get
an
access
to
public
records
apps
the
first
questions
that
you
need
to
start
asking
yourselves
are:
where
do
I
look?
The
very
basic
question:
where
should
I
look,
who
would
have
documents
responsive
to
these
requests
would
be
a
particular
department,
a
particular
person
maybe
does
that
person
have
an
assistant?
Are
there
many
assistants?
Was
there
a
previous
employee
who
had
access
to
these
records?
Are
they
in
my
archives?
H
To
me,
we're
going
to
ask
your
public
body
to
provide
affidavits
to
us
attesting
to
the
search
that
you
conducted
and
we've
had
situations
where
a
public
body
found
responsive
documents
after
we
ask
them
to
conduct
a
more
thorough
search,
so
I
think
it's
easier
to
put
the
work
in
up
front
and
ask
these
hard
questions.
I
can't.
F
H
You
how
our
criminal
division
thinks
of
how
annoying
I
am
because
I
keep
asking
them
and
asking
different
people
what
sort
of
documents
they
may
have,
but
you're
better
off.
So
that
way,
if
you
ever
have
to
attest
to
the
search
that
you
conducted,
you
have
everything
to
back
it
up
and
now.
This
is
just
a
fun
little
graphic
that
we
have
that
sort
of
exemplifies
everything
that
I
was
just
talking
about.
H
So
when
you
get
an
access
to
public
records
after
request
in
where
you
look,
you
look
everywhere
your
bulletin
boards,
your
filing
cabinets,
your
computer,
your
neighbor's
computer.
Maybe
you
have
to
get
it
involved
and
hopefully
you
don't
have
to
look
in
the
trash,
but
maybe
sometimes
you
do
them
just
just
to
show
you
that
we
need
to
cast
a
really
wide
net
when
we're
doing
a
search.
E
So
there
really
is
no
requirement,
obviously
there's
a
requirement
to
provide
access
to
documents,
but
sometimes
you'll
get
a
question
of
well.
I
got
this
request
in
and
I
don't
have
documents
really
responsive
to
it,
but
maybe
I
could
create
something.
Do
I
have
that
obligation
to
do
that?
The
answer
is
as
a
general
matter.
No
there's
no
requirement
to
reorganize,
consolidate
or
compile
data.
That's
not
maintained
in
the
requested
form.
E
To
reorganize
consolidate
compile,
then
you
would
have
to
do
so
under
the
access
to
public
records
act.
We
have
a
scenario
that
I
think
sort
of
puts
that
into
play
in
a
little
bit.
So
just
sort
of
keep
that
in
mind
we'll
get
back
to
that
in
a
second.
So
a
couple
quick
scenarios
here,
just
to
sort
of
put
these
ideas
into
practice
and
the
first
one
is
we
get
this
question
a
lot.
You
know
I'm
a
member
of
a
public
body.
E
We
have
a
request,
that's
come
in,
you
know.
I
understand
I
have
to
search
my
work
email,
my
work
files.
Do
I
have
to
also
search
my
personal
private
email.
What
do
we
think?
Yes
now?
Maybe
exactly
that's
that's
you
know
when,
when
a
lawyer
asks
you
a
question,
the
answer
is
always.
Maybe
right.
You
know
it
comes
down
to.
Is
that
private
email
being
used
in
connection
with
a
transaction
of
official
business
right?
You
know
the.
A
E
E
F
E
E
A
A
E
B
E
The
office
right
payroll,
other
hr
type,
you
know
excel
spreadsheets
well,
yeah
sure
we
have
a
list,
but
it's
everybody
in
the
office.
Okay.
Well,
you
know
it's
an
electronic
format
right
with
this
excel
spreadsheet
is
unduly
burdensome
to
reorganize,
compile
consolidate
into
a
new
list,
and
it
really
wasn't
right.
You
control.
Fine.
You
find
all
the
criminal
folks,
you
copy,
you
paste
them
into
a
new
document.
It
took
all
the
three
minutes.
It
was
not
unduly
burdensome
to
do
so
because
it
was
an
electronic
format.
We
were
required
to
do
so.
So
that's.
E
E
E
The
access
to
public
records
act.
The
idea
is,
if
it's
public,
it's
public
to
everyone
right,
it's
not
public.
To
that
one
particular
requester,
it's
public
to
everyone.
I
think
the
real
best
sort
of
illustration
of
that
is
the
city
of
providence.
If
you
go
on
their
website,
the
public
records
part
of
their
website.
E
You
make
a
request.
Everyone
can
see
your
request
for
any
post
right
out
there
on
the
website.
If
they
respond
with
documents,
they
respond
right
to
your
request
right
there.
Everyone
can
see
those
documents
right,
they're
public
to
everyone,
and
so
I
think
you
know
under
the
access
of
public
records
act.
You
know
those
documents
about
that
death
of
a
family
member
they're,
really
sensitive
personal
documents.
Right
really,
really.
You
know
intense
documents,
probably
not
something
that
would
be
released
under
the
access
to
public
records
act.
There's
a
lot
of
privacy
interests
there.
E
So
you
know,
I
think
the
answer
under
the
access
to
public
records
act
was,
you
know
respectfully
these
these
documents
are
exempt
and
I
think,
that's
sort
of
where
a
lot
of
folks
stop
they're
exempt
they're,
not
public
to
you
just
because
you're
asking
right,
but
you
can't
let
the
access
to
public
record
attack
be
the
enemy
of
common
sense
right.
This
was
this
own
woman's
file.
Really
it
was
her
her
family
member.
It
was
her
privacy
interest
really
that
we
were
protecting
by
not
providing
it,
and
so
he
said.
Okay,
look!
Yes!
E
Under
the
access
to
public
record
deck,
we
have
to
provide
you
a
response.
The
response
is
their
exempt
right.
Privacy
interest
outweighs
the
public
interest,
you
know.
Nonetheless,
we
understand
and
recognize
that
these
are
probably
documents
that
you're
entitled
to
you
know:
they're
about
your
family
member,
so
outside
the
public
records
act,
we're
going
to
provide
them
to
you
notwithstanding,
and
you
know,
I
think
I
think
letting
letting
sort
of
common
sense
come
in
and
say,
yeah.
E
You
know
these
are
your
files,
maybe
under
the
access
to
public
records,
act
they're,
not
public
records,
but
nonetheless
we're
still
going
to
provide
them
another
way,
I
think
that's
a
really
effective
way
of
sort
of
managing
these
requests.
You
know
preventing
these
things
from
becoming
complaints
and
issues
sort
of
after
the
fact.
H
So
the
active
supposed
act
requires
that
every
public
body
outline
procedures
for
receiving
requests,
whether
they
be
in
a
written
form,
but
there's
no
requirement
that
a
request
be
made
on
a
public
body
specific
form.
So
you
can't
deny
or
tell
a
person
that
they
can't
submit
a
public
record
because
they
didn't
put
it
on
their
form
and
the
opera
is
explicit
with
that.
H
So
a
person
also
doesn't
need
to
provide
the
reason
that
they're
requesting
access
to
the
documents
or
their
identity.
Now
the
identity,
one
will
get
tricky
and
I'll
get
into
that
in
a
second.
But
you
can't
deny
a
person
access
to
records
because
they
refuse
to
tell
you
why
they
want
the
records
the.
Why
isn't
the
important
part
of
it?
H
Now
it's
not
the
easiest
thing
to
deal
with
when
somebody
doesn't
provide
you
any
sort
of
contact
information,
but
they
don't
have
to,
and
now
this
is
our
form
that
we
use
at
the
attorney
general's
office
and,
as
you
can
see,
name
address
telephone
number
and
then
on
our
new
forms.
We
also
have
email.
H
Optional,
so
they
don't
have
to
provide
that
and
they
don't
have
to
use
this
form,
but
this
form
helps
us
process.
These
requests.
Identity
is
certainly
helpful
when
we're
processing
these
requests,
but
at
the
bottom
of
our
forum
we
have
a
little
comment
out
there.
That
says,
if
you
don't
want
to
provide
us
contacting
you,
any
response
will
be
available
at
the
principal
office
or
at
our
front
desk
of
the
attorney
general's
office
and
we're
going
to
number
the
request
for
you.
G
H
A
H
A
Wow,
but
at
that
point
in
time
the
department
could
say
this
is
going
to
take
15
20
30.,
we're
gonna
need
x,
amount
of
dollars
before
we
start
this
project,
because
you
know
you
know
a
person
has
to
pay
for
it.
If
someone
doesn't
identify
who
they
are,
how
you
know
you
know,
how
do
you
go
about
saying?
Okay,
this
is
going
to
cost
you
200.
A
H
And
I
have
something
similar
to
that
right
now
that
that
I'm
working
on
the
person
submitted
a
pretty
broad
request
and
I
needed
to
put
down
like
a
prepayment
request
and
also
extend
our
time
to
respond
and
they
didn't
provide
their
their
contact
information.
So,
as
I
said
like
at
the
bottom
of
our
form
and
on
our
website,
it
says
that
if
you
don't
provide
your
identity,
any
sort
of
communications
will
be
at
our
front
desk.
So
we
numbered
it.
H
E
So
you
know
part
of
the
part
of
the
rub.
I
think
with
the
ex
book
records
act
is
the
time
frame,
and
so
you
know,
I
think,
if,
if
you've
gotten
something
and
you're
not
sure,
maybe
it's
a
public
record
request.
I'm
not
sure
you
know
the
timeline
really
comes
into
play
and
that's
why
it's
always
important.
If
you
think
you
have
an
inkling
that
they're
asking
for
documents,
even
if
they
didn't
use
the
words
access
the
public
records
act.
E
Even
if
it's
not
on
your
form,
you
know
the
clock
could
still
start
ticking,
so
you
really
need
to
be
careful
and
make
sure
that
you
send
it
to
either
your
legal
counsel
or
whoever
handles
your
your
public
records
requests
and
here's
here's.
Why
there's?
Basically
you
have
to
do
one
of
three
things
within
10
business
days
of
getting
a
request.
You
either
extend
the
time
or
deny.
G
E
10
business
days,
you
know
it's
not
it's
not
acceptable
to
say
well,
we
didn't
have
any
records.
So
that's
why
we
didn't
respond.
If
you
don't
have
records?
Well,
that's
that's
a
response.
You
have
to
provide
that
response
within
10
business
days.
You
know,
as
kayla
alluded
to
earlier,
you
can
extend
the
time.
There's
procedures.
E
E
H
E
H
E
E
E
They
can
a
court
can
order
injunctive
relief,
and
that
means
the
court
can
order,
release
or
production
of
those
documents
and,
of
course,
attorney's
fees
which
we
all
know
can
be
much
more
than
a
thousand
or
two
thousand
dollars.
So
that's
sort
of
the
the
access
to
public
records
act.
Are
there
any
sort
of
questions
on
that
before
we
continue
yeah?
Did
you
guys.
D
E
Obviously,
you
know
everything
is
sort
of
a
public
record
right
made
in
connection
with
a
transaction
of
official
business
maintain
or
kept
on
file.
It's
a
public
record.
So
how
can
you
ever
withhold
everything
right?
There's,
there's
a
number
of
exemptions,
there's
actually
27
of
them
in
the
act,
they're
delineated
out
and
that's
something.
I
think
you
really
want
to
sort
of
talk
with
your
legal
counsel,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
them
sort
of
make
sense,
right,
attorney,
client,
privilege,
information,
that's
not
going
to
be
something
you
you
have
to
release.
E
We
were
talking
about
earlier
sort
of
very
private
information
where
there's
a
big
privacy
interest,
there's
no
real
public
interest
in
disclosure.
That's
something!
That's
that's
part
of
the
exemptions
as
well,
but
you
know
consistent
with
sort
of
how
the
act
is
structured
right.
Everything
is
a
public
document.
Unless
it's
exempt,
you
know
the
exemptions
are
construed
pretty
narrowly,
so
it
really
has
to
fit
very
tightly
within
the
exemption.
Yes,
this
is
definitely
a
turning
point.
You
know,
privilege
you
know
material.
Yes,
it
fits
right
within
that
exemption
because
if
it
doesn't.
A
H
Well,
we
use
the
term
documents
because
that's
what
we
normally
see,
but
the
definition
of
a
public
record
actually
says
material
regardless
of
form.
So
a
person
can
make
a
request
for
pretty
much
anything,
but
then
it
would
be
up
to
us
to
say:
do
any
exceptions
apply.
Are
there
any
confidentiality
concerns
and
then
potentially
hand
over
anything
that
may
be
responsive?
That's
a
public
that
would
be
available
to
the
public
whether
and
there
may
be
like
a
free
payment
required
for
any
sort
of
video
flash
drive
or
something
like
that
has.
E
A
So
that
would
be
the
question
so,
for
instance,
say
something
was
under
investigation
and
those
people
who
are
filing
the
part
of
the
subject
of
the
matter
they
come
in.
Ask
for
a
request
of
the
video
shouldn't
that
go
through
like
the
police
department
or
whatever,
or
should
that
go
through
the
clerk's
office.
Should
the
clerk
be
giving
out
video
of
whatever's
going
on
in
town
hall,
there
could
be
employee
matters
going
on.
There
could
have
been
an
argument
between
two
employees.
A
E
E
In
go
talk
with
the
police
department
and
say:
hey:
you
have
security
concerns.
This
isn't
you
know
ongoing
matter?
Are
there
other
reasons?
Maybe
it
would
fall
within
the
exemption,
but
certainly
if
it's
maintained
or
kept
on
file,
I
think
it's
considered
part
of
what
they
could
request
for
the
public
records
act.
E
E
C
E
E
D
Jump
information
I
think
for
for
so
many
of
these.
You
know
after
matters
just
communication
between
the
requester
and
the
public
body
can
prevent
a
lot
of
problems
so
especially
if
it
would
be,
you
know,
cost
and
time
consuming
to
compile
everything
it's
already
on
the
website.
Instead
of
assessing
prepayment,
for
instance,
you
could
just
say
you
know,
I
can
provide
this
to
you,
but
you
could
also
just
get
it
on
the
website.
I
Sir,
without
a
little
mentioning
specific
names,
but
my
question
is,
there
was
a.
I
think
there
was
a
former
legislator
who
requested
information
chargex
number
of
dollars
and
it
was
determined
that
they
should
not
be
charged.
Are
there
any
situations
where
a
person
should
not
be
charged
and
the
information
should
be
provided
without
asking
for
reimbursement.
E
E
E
A
With
a
written
written
form
and
response,
you
can
understand
what
the
actual
request
is.
If
someone
has
a
verbal
request,
let's
say
after
a
meeting
and
get
ready,
leaving
somebody
says,
oh
by
the
way
I
would
like
x.
You
know
it
is
whatever
it
may
be,
that
that's
a
request
for
a
document
or
documents
or
something
it
could
be.
A
I
want
all
of
the
budget
going
backwards,
whatever
it
may
be,
when
it's
a
verbal
request,
it's
I
think,
it's
more,
maybe
more
difficult
at
times
to
be
responsive,
because
you
know
what
what
they
may
be
asking.
What
you're
hearing
are
two
different
things:
how
do
you?
How
do
you
really
process
verbal
requests
when
you
know
someone's
saying
something
someone's
receiving
something
you
know?
How
do
you
do
that?
H
Of
course,
so
what
are
the
apple
procedures
that
our
office
has
put
in
place
or
people
making
requests
that
the
request
is
required
to
be
in
writing?
So
that
can
be
something
that
your
public
body
requires
writing.
But
if
somebody
makes
a
verbal
request
to
you
and
you're
going
to
accept
that
out
and
access
the
public
records
act
request,
then
I
would
have
some
way
of
getting
in
touch
with
them
to
solidify
what
that
request
is
whether
it's
following
up
with
an
email
hey.
H
I
can
start
your
request
as
seeking
these
documents
related
to
fiscal
year
19..
Let
me
know
if
this
is
not
what
you
want
or
giving
them
a
call
just
to
make
sure
that
you
have
something
that
actually
clarifies
exactly
what
this
requester
is
seeking
to
help
you
and
your
team.
Do
your
searches
and
also
to
help
the
requester
get
access
to
the
documents
that
they
get.
A
H
Of
caution-
and
we
treat
everything-
is
an
access
to
public
records
act
request
unless
the
document
or
documents
that
they're
requesting
are
readily
available
to
the
public
or
readily
available
pursuant
to
the
administrative
procedures.
Act,
because
if
they're
just
something
quick
as
quick
as
getting
a
form
from
your
child,
clerk's
office
or
somebody
requesting
a
birth
certificate,
then
obviously
we
wouldn't
treat
that
as
a
public
records
request.
C
H
Sent
it
by
regular
mail,
then
it's
not
the
date
that
it's
normally
dated
on
the
letter
itself,
but
the
date
we
stamp
it
in
is
received
on
there.
That's
when
the
time
clock
starts
so
normally
when
we
send
our
responses
as
well
to
the
person
we
say
you
know
you
sent
this
or
it's
dated
october
18th,
but
we're
straight
by
us
on
october
22nd
that
way,
they're
clear
as
to
when
the
clock
started
for
us,
but.
C
H
E
Yeah
and
I
think
sort
of
the
other
thing
along
with
that
is,
is
you
know
nine
times
out
of
ten?
If
you
say
hey,
you
know,
we
really
prefer
you
to
do
this
in
writing.
I
know
you've
come
in,
you
wouldn't
mind.
Writing
it
down
nine
times
out
of
ten
they're
more
than
happy
to
do
that,
and
then
I
think
it
really
sort
of
benefits
everybody,
because
you
haven't.
B
Yeah,
I
have
a
question
about
redacting
I've
had
occasion.
We
we
always
get
them
in
writing
here.
I
have
never
gotten
a
verbal
one,
but
I've
had
people
refuse
to
pay
because
they've
asked
for
unredacted
records
and
the
department.
I
send
the
request
to
redex,
so
they
come
to
pick
them
up
and
they're
like
no.
I
asked
for
unredacted
and
I'll
try
to
explain
that.
There's
certain
things
that
can
be
redacted
and
that's
not
a
good
enough
answer
and
what
happens?
Is
they
don't
take
it?
B
And
if
it's
a
lot
it
could
be
hundreds
of
dollars
they're
just
leaving.
After
all
the
work's
been
done,
you
might
get
a
little
deposit,
but
you
may
not
get
the
340
dollars.
That's
due
with
the
1200
pages
in
10
hours,
because
we
redacted-
and
I
have
more
than
a
few
that
are
a
couple
years
old-
that
no
one
ever
picked
up
750
dollars
things
like
that,
because
oh
you
redacted,
we
asked
for
unredacted,
we
don't
want
when
tons
of
work
has
been
done.
B
H
Pages,
if
you
assume
that
it's
going
to
take
you,
you
know
seven
hours
to
do
the
request
and
then
it
takes
you
you're
at
seven
and
you
think
it's
gonna,
take
you
another
three
and
then
there's
gonna
be
more
review
time.
Then
you
are
permitted
to
send
another
request
for
free
payment,
outlining
the
search
that
you've
conducted,
maybe
even
providing
the
documents
that
they
already
need
for
and
saying.
We
still
have
some
more
time
because
we
haven't
been
able
to
retrieve
or
review
everything
that
may
be
responsive,
so
just
piecemealing
it
sometimes
okay.
B
B
Well,
usually,
it
would
be
a
case
of
I
mean
there's
times,
I'd
never
expect
1200
pages,
so
you
may
say
all
right:
we
need
75
dollars
and
then
it's
350
and
you
suddenly
have
it
on
your
desk
within
the
10
days
and
you're.
Looking
at
it
and
it's
redacted
and
my
question
is
about
redacting,
I
mean
I
can't
make
someone
pick
it
up
and
pay
for
it,
but
with
redacting
they
ask
for
unredacted
and
the
story,
and
now
there's
redacted
records.
How
do
you
get
around
that
one?
B
H
There's
certain
information
pursuant
to
the
access
to
public
records,
act
that
is
exempt
from
or
can
be
exempt
from
disclosing
to
the
public
and
there's,
of
course,
certain
information.
That's
required
to
be
kept
confidential
pursuant
to
law.
You
know
health
care
records,
social
security
numbers
things
like
that.
So
I
think
under
the
opera
you
are
permitted
to
do
redactions
and
just
because
somebody
says
they
want
unredacted
documents.
H
Your.
I
would
say
that
pursuant
to
the
opera,
you're
not
required
to
provide
them
on
redacted
documents
unless
that
information
is
completely
public,
but
there
may
be
exemptions
that
apply
to
certain
information,
but
I
think
going
through
those
documents,
it's
necessary
to
say
what
information
can
be
public
when
information
is
public
and
what
information
can
be
exempt
or
is
required
to
be
kept
confidential.
You
need
to
really
go
through
those
documents,
so
maybe
some
of
the
redactions
you
have
on
your
desk
right
now.
Maybe.
H
E
E
E
Attorney
work
product,
so
you
know
we
said:
okay,
we
think
it's
going
to
take
whatever
five
hours,
but
just
so
you
know
you
know
this
is
five
hours
for
search
and
retrieval
and
review.
It
may
be
redacted.
You
know
we
haven't
done
a
final
review
yet,
but
we
think
it's
likely
that
there's
going
to
be
a
turning
client
material
and
entering
work
product
material.
You
know
just
so
you
know,
I
think,
as
long
as
you
sort
of
manage
expectations
up
front,
there's
really
no
surprises
sort
of
when
they
get
their
records.
H
E
E
Point
it's
very
good,
so
the
open
meetings
act
so
again,
we'll
start
off
with.
What's
the
purpose
of
the
open
meetings
and
again,
I
think
most
people
sort
of
get
the
first
part
right.
Public
business
has
to
be
performed
in
an
open
and
published
manner
right.
I
think
most
people
kind
of
get
that
right.
That's
why
we're
here
tonight
open
in
public
manner,
the
second
component,
I
think
people
understand
that
maybe
it's
a
little
less
explicit
or
known-
is
that
citizens
be
advised
up
and
aware
of
those
decisions
right.
E
It's
not
enough
that
we
do
the
business
in
public
citizens
have
to
know
that
it's
going
to
happen
and
know
that
it
happened
after
the
fact,
and
so
that
really
comes
out
what
the
oma
itself
requires
right.
So,
of
course,
we
have
open
needs
right.
Everything
that
the
public
body
does
has
to
be
in
a
public
meeting
very
limited
circumstances
prescribed
by
the
act
when
the
the
meeting
itself
can
be
closed.
It's
closed
session
executive
session.
E
We
talk
about
people
being
aware
of
and
advised
of
course,
that's
your
notice
right
ahead
of
time.
You
have
your
annual
notice.
That's
the
calendar
year
notice.
It
says:
hey
we're
going
to
meet
every
third
thursday
of
the
month.
You
have
your
supplemental
notice
right,
48
hours
ahead
of
time.
Here's
our
agenda!
This
is
what
we're
going
to
talk
about.
You
have
your
notice,
you
have
your
meeting
and
then,
after
the
fact,
meeting
minutes
right
people
could,
then,
maybe
I
wasn't
at
the
meeting,
I
want
to
know
what
happened.
E
E
H
So
the
open
meeting
meetings
act
applies.
Excuse
me
when
three
things
happen,
you
need
a
public
body
that
has
a
quorum
and
they
have
a
meeting.
If
one
of
those
three
things
is
missing,
then
the
meeting
fact
doesn't
apply.
So
when
we
define
those
a
public
body
under
the
open
means,
act
is
defined
as
any
department
agency,
commission
committee,
council
of
state
or
local
government
and
any
subdivision
of
any
of
those
departmental
agencies
as
well
and
then
a
quorum
very
simple
here,
just
a
simple
majority
of
your
board.
H
And
now
this
is
where
it
gets
tricky
a
rolling
or
walking
form
is
something
that
a
public
body
should
absolutely
avoid
like
the
plague
here.
So
a
rolling
forum
is
a
series
of
individual
communications
between
individual
members
of
the
public
body
that
would
collectively
represent
a
quorum,
so
that
can
be
a
little
confusing.
So
the
way
I
like
to
say
this,
I'm
a
member
of
a
five-person
public
body.
H
Okay,
sean
is
also
on
that
body,
and
I
choose
to
have
a
telephone
conversation
with
sean
telling
him
my
feelings
about
something
that's
coming
before
our
board
later
in
the
week,
and
I'm
really
seeing
and
I'm
telling
him
how
I'm
planning
on
voting
and
what
my
thoughts
are
and
then
sean
has
a
telephone
conversation
with
somebody
else
on
our
courses.
Oh
kayla
is
really
mad
at
this.
This
is
how
she's
going
to
vote.
H
This
is
what
I'm
thinking,
and
I
think
this
is
what
we
should
do,
even
though
I
didn't
talk
to
that
third
person,
because
sean
looped
them
in
the
three
of
us
just
formed
a
quorum
and
had
a
discussion
about
something
that
our
board
has
jurisdiction
or
power
over
outside
of
a
public
meeting.
So
we're
part.
C
G
To
follow
up
so
an
elected
and
elected
government
official
town
council
school
committee,
speaking
to
their
constituents
on
social
media,
saying
that
I
am
going
to
either
support
the
budget
or
I'm
not
going
to
support
the
budget.
That
politician
can
put
that
out
there.
But
as
long
as
nobody
else
on
the
board
say
states,
anything
is
not
a.
A
D
The
thing
with
a
lot
of
this,
too,
is
it's
all
very
fact
specific.
So
you
know,
if
you
have
a
situation
like
that,
it
might
depend
on
the
circumstance,
but
there's
evidence
that
there
is
an
intent
to
circumvent
the
oma
by
I'm
going
to
post
here
and
you're
going
to
post
here.
You
have
to
always
look
at.
I
think
the
the
collective
totality
of
the
circumstances,
so
just
whenever
one
member
is
putting
a
discussion
or
a
thought
out
there
by
themselves,
there's
always
just
a
potential
that
it
could
trigger
a
discussion
in
the
forum.
F
H
F
E
I
I
E
Can
I
envision
a
circumstance
where
someone
very
discreetly
says
I'm
going
to
vote
this
way
on
this
and
then
goes
to
the
next
person
I'm
going
to
vote
this
way
on
this
there's
no
collective
discussion
perhaps,
but
I
mean
I
think
you
really
sort
of
okay
so
getting
close
to
the
line
there,
and
I
think
you
know
you
want
to
have
those
discussions
in
the
public
meeting
itself.
So.
A
Question
for
you,
then,
when
a
public
meeting
financial
time
meeting
happens,
obviously
the
council
votes
on
the
budget
brings
it
before
the
financial
town
meeting
financial
time
meeting
happens.
Jay
goes
on.
His
page
puts
support
the
budget.
I
go
on.
My
page
says:
support
the
budget.
He
goes
on
his
and
says:
don't
support
the
budget.
Now
we
have
a
little
bit
of
conflict.
Obviously
there's
three
of
us
for
three
pages
and
with
saying
to
the
general
public
support.
Don't
support.
A
A
Page
for
me,
world
war,
two
and
I'd
say
ninety
percent
of
what
two
residents,
and
so
like
we'll
go
on
we'll
ask
questions
amongst
just
a
private
group.
If
they
have
any
concerns
or
anything,
they
can
reach
me
that
way.
My
cell
phone
in
my
email,
so
I
leave
myself
wide
open
to
to
get
in
contact
with.
Is
that
an
issue
if
he
has
access
to
my
page
as
long
as
there's
a
comment,
I.
E
A
E
A
E
E
C
C
E
Back
to
the
council
on
this
point,
which
is
there's
you
know,
there's
violations
then
there's
also
willful
annoying
violations,
we'll
get
to
that.
I
think
in
a
little
bit,
but
yes,
I
think
that's
sort
of
the
answer
and
I
think
you
know
again
the
reason
we're
sort
of
spending
some
time
on
this
is
because
it
can
be
a
little
tricky.
E
But
again,
I
think
it's
also
because
the
point
of
putting
these
meetings
in
public
is
because,
if
you
look
at
the
definition
right
convening
of
a
public
body
to
discuss
and
or
act
right,
it's
not
enough
that
you
have
your
public
body
meeting
and
you
just
go
straight
down.
The
agenda.
Vote
vote.
Vote.
Vote
right.
You
need
to
have
the
discussion
as
well.
That's
part
of
the
process,
that's
part
of
what
citizens
need
to
be
aware
of
and
advise
them.
E
G
E
G
Example,
someone's
got
a
license
and
they
come
in
with
their
own
attorney.
Well,
it's
not
do
liquor.
Let's
just
do
a
license
and
the
prosecuting
attorney
for
the
town
may
be
the
town
solicitor
or
might
be
someone
else.
The
town
solicitor
might
have
to
sit
as
the
hearing
officer.
The
council
is
hearing
it.
It's
basically
an
administrative
or
a
a
court
type
proceeding.
E
G
E
G
E
G
E
So
a
couple
quick
scenarios,
I
think,
put
some
of
these.
You
know
public
body
forum
meeting
elements
into
play.
The
first
is
after
meeting
trip
to
a
diner
right.
You
have
a
great
meeting.
Everybody
goes
out
to
a
diner,
you
know.
Does
that
violate
the
open
meetings?
Act
right?
You
have
a
public
body
right,
you
have
a
quorum.
Suppose
you
get
good
turnout.
Everybody
goes
after
the
meeting.
Do
you
have
a
meeting,
though
right?
Are
you
discussing
acting
or.
E
Control
jurisdiction
or
advisory
power
right
again,
it's
very
fact
specific.
Every
attorney
likes
the
depends
answer
right.
If
you're
talking
about
the
paths
yeah,
maybe
you
wish
you
had
control
or
supervision
or
jurisdiction
over
the
past,
but
you
probably
don't
right.
That's
probably
not
a
meeting
under
the
ex
under
the
open
meetings
act,
but
if
you
start
talking
about
well
what
do
you
guys
think
about
the
meeting
this
just
happened
or
the
meeting
that's
going
to
come
up
right?
Then
you're
sort
of
talking
about
something
with
your
supervision
control,
jurisdiction,
advisory
power?
E
E
C
A
A
E
Like
a
light
switch,
if
you
have
a
public
body
a
quorum
and
a
meeting,
it's
on
right,
you've
got
to
have
notice.
You've
got
open
meetings.
You've
got
to
have
meeting
minutes
if
you're
missing
one
of
those
three
things
oma
just
doesn't
apply
well
just
sort
of
these
scenarios
together
because
I
think
they're
sort
of
interlinked
google
documents
we
familiar
with
what
those
are
more
or
less
right,
they're
online
documents
that
are
sort
of
updated
in
real
time.
E
E
A
E
H
H
I
think
there
are
10
official
provisions
in
the
open
meetings
act
which
permit
executive
session
topics
and
they're
very
limited
and
you're
not
required
to
go
into
executive
session
to
discuss
these
topics,
but
you
are
permitted
to
do
so
and
the
first
one
of
this
is
581,
and
it's
for
discussions
pertaining
to
job
performance,
the
character
or
the
mental
health
of
any
person
or
persons.
That
discussion
may
be
permissible
in
executive
session.
H
So
long
as
three
things
happen,
you
need
to
give
advanced,
written
notice
to
the
person
whose
job
performance
or
character
mental
health
you're
going
to
be
speaking
about.
That
notice
has
to
tell
the
person
that
they
can
require
that
the
discussion
be
held
during
the
open
meeting
rather
than
the
executive
session,
and
then
the
public
body
has
to
stay
in
their
open
call
and
also
in
their
minutes
that
they
provided
that
notice
to
that
person.
H
If
you
don't
have
all
three
of
those
things,
then
it
may
be
of
a
violation
from
the
older
meetings
and
then
moving
on
to
a
two
sessions
or
work
sessions
pertaining
to
collective
bargaining
or
litigation.
These
discussions
may
also
be
permissible
during
executive
session
litigation.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
pending
litigation.
H
E
F
E
A
E
E
G
G
E
G
A
G
E
I
think
there's
still
a
requirement
to
do
annual
notice
and
the
way
the
statute
reads.
Is
your
regularly
scheduled
meeting
so
to
the
extent
that
you
have
regularly
scheduled
meetings,
they
would
need
to
be
on
there,
but
if
it
really
is
every
meeting
we're
not
sure
when
it's
going
to
happen,
I
mean
maybe
that
that
will
be
a
change
in
the
fall.
H
E
E
A
E
E
Now
in
the
state
house
that
they
use
for
their
that
the
secretary
of
state's
office
uses
for
some
of
their
public
bodies
and
the
second
one
prominent
location
within
the
governmental
units
at
the
state
library
in
the
state
house,
which
we
did
opine,
that
was
okay,
it's
electronic,
but
but
usually
yeah.
So
if
it's.
E
A
E
F
B
F
E
E
Real
quick,
okay,
we'll
get
to
it.
I
promise
and
remind
me
if
it
doesn't,
if
it
isn't
fully
answered
so
just
sort
of
briefly
again
annual
notice
right
date
times,
locations
regularly
scheduled
meetings
that
has
to
be
available
to
public,
upon
request,
supplemental
notice,
very
similar
dates
times
locations
date
posted
as
well.
E
Hours
and
then
this
provision
statement
specifying
the
business
to
be
discussed,
we're
going
to
spend
a
little
bit
of
time
on
this.
This
is
sort
of
the
the
most
litigated
provision
of
the
act.
It's
come
before
the
rhode
island
supreme
court
three
times
in
the
past
15
years,
they
have
been
very,
very
clear
about
what
they
mean
or
what
they
think
that
statement
means
by
the
general
assembly
and-
and
so
you
know
accordingly,
our
offices
focus
on
that
provision
as
well
and
and
so
statements
specify
the
nature.
E
Who
has
not,
you
know,
planning
to
go
to
the
meeting
to
be
able
to
know
exactly
what's
going
to
be
discussed
or
done
voted
on
at
that
meeting?
And
so
you
know
in
the
past
you
sort
of
said
these
are
sort
of
per
se
and
proper
agenda
items
that
just
don't
really
tell
us
enough
about.
What's
going
to
be
discussed
or.
E
F
F
E
E
E
E
Say
voting
as
well
next
agenda
items,
sort
of
small,
it
says
four
communications
requests
for
extension
from
turner,
scott
received
11308
regarding
petition
of
congregation,
jesuit
israel,
that's
the
agenda
item.
What
actually
happened
was
the
extension
came
up,
they
voted
on
it
and
it
was
granted.
Do
we
think
that
that
was
sufficiently
specific.
G
E
E
And
this
is
the
analyte
case,
and
part
of
it
is
right.
There's
no
notice
of
the
vote
you
can
see.
This
is
actually
against
the
zoning
board
in
the
city
of
newport
and
the
supreme
court
said.
Look,
we
don't
know
that
something
was
actually
going
to
be
voted
on
by
that
it's
under
communications,
it
doesn't
say
to
be
voted
on.
E
You
know
it's
a
zoning
board.
Usually
they
put
the
property
itself.
The
address
there
was
no
address
here
again,
it's
2013
case.
The
analog
case
was
supreme
court,
saying
very
clearly,
no,
that's
not
sufficiently
specific,
and
then
I
think
this
gets
to
your
point,
which
is
this
agenda
item
here:
7b
approval
of
ride's
executive
pay
plan,
singular
and
organizations
chart
enclosure
7b.
E
What
actually
happened
at
the
meeting
was
they
discussed,
multiple
pay
plans
and
that
enclosure
was
not
included
on
the
secretary
of
state's
website.
What
do
you
think
sufficiently
specific
you
caught
the
trend?
No,
this
is
the
pond
rally
case
just
from
a
couple
years
ago,
and
you
know
again,
I
think
the
supreme
court
now
three
times
in
15
years
for
a
single
provision
of
a
state
statute.
That's
a
pretty
that's
a
pretty
large
amount
of
time
supreme
court
to
come
down
time
and
again
and
say
no
not
sufficiently
specific,
and
so
yes.
G
The
supplemental
attachments
that
get
put
up,
for
example,
treasurer's
report,
we
know,
is
no
good,
but
a
treasury
report
is
followed
up
with
the
supplemental
materials
showing
what
the
accounting
is,
whether
it's
a
balance
sheet
issue,
whether
it's
just
a
quarter
per
year
that
fills
in
everything.
So
if
people
get
that
is
that
sufficient.
G
On
the
agenda
that,
if
you
click
onto
it,
it's
there
now
whether
granicus
picks
it
up
or
the
secretary
of
state,
I
can't
really
respond
to
that,
but
if
that
is
provided
to
any
particular
person,
that's
out
there
on
either
on
the
web
or
pick
it
up.
That
document
that's
attached
to
that
part
of
the
agenda
explains
completely
what
the
treasurer
is
going
to
be
discussing.
So
the
question
we
have
is:
do
we
have
to
get
into
a
more
specific
agenda
item
or
does
that
attachment?
Suffice.
E
So
here's
sort
of
my
take
on
it.
I
will
say
the
supreme
court
hasn't
weighed
on
this.
You
know
specifically
other
than
to
note
that
if
you
say
you're
going
to
enclose
something,
you
should
actually
close
it.
So,
if
you're
going
to
do
that,
you
should
absolutely
make
sure
that
it
is
included
on
the
secretary
of
state's
website.
You
know,
on
the
one
hand,
I
really
like
the
idea
of
people
having
access
to
these
reports
ahead
of
time
completely
being
able
to
look
through
them.
E
G
Well,
because
the
only
question
I
have
is
if
the
finance
director
or
treasury
gets
up
here
and
it's
satisfactory
as
to
what
the
posting
is
on
the
agenda
without
a
document
for
people
that
are
either
at
the
meeting
or
the
people
that
are
looking
at
the
left.
The
first
person
they're
going
to
ask
is
where's
our
copy.
She
doesn't
really
have
to
provide
a
copy
of
the
access
to
public
records
act.
All
the
open
meetings
act.
G
So
if
we
add,
if
we
have
the
supplemental
portion
of
the
materials
attached
to
the
agenda
everyone's
getting
it,
but
if
we
do
it
the
way
the
supreme
court
has
said,
we
just
have
to
list
what
she's
going
to
be
talking
about.
The
town
really
doesn't
have
to
supply
that
to
the
general
public.
Do
they,
which
goes
back
to
trying.
E
E
G
E
G
E
D
D
D
Right
so
then,
maybe
that's
not
going
to
work
for
you,
then,
and
I
think
that's
another
reason
too,
like
like
sean
said,
it's
kind
of
adults
and
suspenders,
where
you
know
the
way
to
to
be
safest,
is
have
the
agenda
item
in
and
of
itself
be
sufficient
and
then,
if
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
provide
the
whole
report,
maybe
just
on
the
secretary
of
state's
website
online
then
do
that
too.
There's
no
reason
you
can't
do
both
and
then
the
citizens
are
happier
because
they
can.
D
A
At
one
point,
a
couple
years
back
it's
been
going
since,
but
we
used
to
have
award
reports
and
that
was
more
for
each
councilman.
Now
we
a
new
business,
opened
up
something
like
that.
So
now,
if
I
want
to
bring
back
board
reports
so
say
I
put
ward
2
and
I
would
be
discussing
all-stars
borrowing,
grill
new
to
the
community
christmas
tree
lighting
in
phoenix
on
thanksgiving
night.
D
Sorry,
I
think
the
way
to
think
about
it
is
if
someone
who
had
no
clue
what
you
were
talking
about,
maybe
hasn't
followed
town
council
business
looks
at
this
agenda.
Are
they
going
to
be
able
to
figure
out
what's
being
talked
about,
or
are
they
going
to
be
sitting
at
home
the
next
day
and
they
hear
what
happened
like?
Oh
my
gosh,
I
can't
believe
that's
what
they
talked
about.
D
H
F
H
H
Public
comment
so
the
discussions
that
happen
or
the
comments
that
are
made
during
that
open
forum
discussion
need
to
be
initiated
by
members
of
the
public
public
comment.
Section,
isn't
you
know
a
free-for-all
for
the
members
of
the
town
council
right?
So
if
the
town
council
wants
to
bring
up
a
matter
or
make
a
comment
or
congratulate
the
the
plow
guys
and
doing
an
excellent
job,
that's
when
you
would
amend
your
agenda.
Public
comment
is
specifically
for
members
of
the
public
to
come
up
and
ask
questions
or
start
a
discussion
with
you
about
something.
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G
G
So
again,
if
the
public
initiates
it
and
there's
a
response
from
a
particular
council
person
that
may
not
meet
the
notice
requirements
and
then
that
same
person
becomes
the
complainant
in
the
open
meetings
act,
and
so
it's
almost
you
know,
you're
damned
if
you
do
you're
damned,
if
you
don't,
because
that
person's
requiring
a
response,
sometimes
things
get
heated.
Sometimes
things
get
emotional
and
then
there's
a
response.
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Well,
first,
the
public
members
of
the
council
or
the
public
body
aren't
required
to
respond
to
somebody
making
the
comment
or
asking
a
question
of
you,
but
I
would
think
if
the
discussion
was
initiated
by
a
member
of
the
public
and
the
councilman
or
compliment
responded
to
that.
Then
that
would
be
okay,
but
if
it
goes
beyond
that,
you
start
discussing
amongst
yourselves
or
maybe
vote
on
something.
That's
when
the
open
meetings
act.
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I
A
certain
format
to
public
comment
like,
in
other
words,
do
we
have
the
right
to
put
any
limitations,
guidelines,
time
constraints
like
where,
where
do
we?
What
are
our
rights
in
terms
of
you
know,
saying:
okay?
Well,
you
get
two
minutes
to
speak
or
you
know.
Maybe
you
have
to
like
beforehand
some
sort
of
written
notification
of
what
it
is.
You
yeah,
like
registration,
almost
like
what
you
plan
on
saying.
H
A
H
Right
well,
that's
goes
back
to
the
open
meeting
where
it
doesn't
have
a
specific
format
that
you
need
to
follow.
So
if
that's
the
format
that
your
public
body
has
chosen
for
your
your
open
forum
session,
then
so
be
it
because
you
do
have
the
power
to
limit
comment
or
someone
says.
Oh,
I
didn't
sign
up,
but
I
would
like
to
talk
about
it.
You
can
either
say
yes
or
no.
E
And
I
think
part
of
it
is
that
you
know
the
act.
It
doesn't
require
public
comment,
but
it
also
doesn't
it
wants
to
encourage
home
bodies
to
do
it
right?
I
think
it's
a
good
thing.
Certainly
our
office
absolutely
encourages
public
bodies
to
do
public
comment.
We
think
it's
a
great
way
to
interact
with
constituents,
and
so
you
know,
I
think,
there's
a
recognition
that
if
you're
going
to
do
it,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
free-for-all
where
someone
can
take
20
minutes
of
your
time.
You
can
put
reasonable
limits
on
there.
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C
H
So,
as
we've
been
saying
throughout
this,
the
public
body
can
amend
the
agenda.
If
the
topic
comes
up
during
your
discussions,
it
may
not
be
on
the
supplemental
notice
that
you
posted,
but
if
you're
amending
the
agenda
to
add
that
topic,
it
purposes
only
cannot
vote
on
that
topic
unless
there
are
two
things
that
are
happening
if
you're
referring
it
to
another
public
body
or
another
official.
H
So
if
you
think
that
something
that
came
before
the
town
council
is
more
appropriate
for
the
zoning
board,
then
you
can
amend
your
agenda
and
say
we're
referring
it
to
the
zoning
board
and
also
if
there,
if
something
happens,
it's
necessary
to
address
an
unexpected
occurrence
or
something
that's
imminent,
that
you
need
to
take
action
on
to
protect
the
public.
Then
you
are
also
permitted
to
vote
on
them
and
that
amended
agenda
item
there
as
well.
But
those
are
two
very
limited
exceptions,
so
general
rule
best
practice.
H
If
you're
amending
your
agenda
discussion
purposes
only
and
now
minutes
everybody's
favorite
topic,
your
minutes
need
to
include
four
things:
the
date
time
and
place
of
your
meeting,
the
members
who
are
both
present
and
absent.
You
have
to
have
a
list
of
every
individual
vote
that
is
taken
during
that
meeting
and,
of
course,
any
other
relevant
information,
that's
requested
by
a
member
of
the
public
body.
So
that's
really
all
your.
The
contents
of
your
minutes
requires
there's
no
specific
format
or
you
know
a
recipe
for
the
perfect
minute.
H
It
doesn't
require
spreadsheet
format
transcripts,
but
it
does
require
those
four
elements
and,
of
course,
the
more
information
you
can
provide
in
your
minutes.
The
better,
because
that's
what's
advising
your
constituents
and
you
as
well.
Those
are
your
notes
from
the
meeting
and
then
your
minutes
need
to
be
posted.
All
unofficial
minutes
have
to
be
made
available
at
the
office
of
your
public
body
within
35
days
of
your
meeting
or
at
the
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting.
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C
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E
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E
E
E
E
A
E
A
E
A
E
E
But
also
to
let
you
know
where
to
go.
If
you
have
more
questions,
I
think
our
website
is
really
a
pretty
good
resource.
It
has
copy
of
a
really
more
robust
presentation,
even
in
this,
both
the
video
and
then
the
slides
as
well.
It's
got
checklists
for
both
the
oma
and
the
apra
there's
guidelines
for
convenience
to
executive
session.
I
mean
all
these
are
things
that
are
really
designed
to
foster
compliance.
It's
so
much
rather,
you
know
have
the
questions
sort
of
ahead
of
time
before
the
meeting,
then
from
the
complaints.
F
E
C
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
it's
not
cut
and
dry
with
a
lot
of
these
things
so
for
people
from
the
public
that
think
that
we
are
really
willingly
and
knowingly
doing
certain
things.
I
think
it's
just
not
that
kind
of
dry.
We
run
to
that.
It's
my
first
three
years
here
with
like
ethical
issues.
E
You
know
I
I
certainly
get
that.
I
think
that's
that's
part
of
the
reason
we
go
around
and
do
this
if
it
was
so
easy,
you
know
we
wouldn't
have
to
do
it
and
I
think
you
know
part
of
it.
Is
you
have
a
great
idea
right?
You
want
these
meetings
to
be
public.
You
want
these
records
to
be
what
about
this
situation.
What
about
this
situation?
They
can
get.
You
know,
sort
of
complicated
and.
C
E
A
So
I
have
two
small
questions.
Sure
one
would
be
a
lot
of
people
don't
realize
deputy
clerk
does
the
agenda
the
clerk
reviews,
the
agenda.
It
gets
sent
out
to
the
council
just
a
preview
and
we
just
I
just
respond
back
if
it's
okay,
to
look
online.
Now
being
that,
for
instance,
now
I
don't
go
over
every
attachment.
I
just
go
over
all
the
items
because
I
don't
get
all
the
attachments
in
the
email.
I
just
get
all
the
items
that
are
on
the
agenda.
A
E
If
you're
amending
it
has
to
be
for
discussion
purposes
only.
I
think
that
that
answers
that
question
is
it
sufficient
if
it
says
joe
versus
joe
schmo,
I
mean
these
are
so
fact
specific,
but
I
think
the
thing
you
always
have
to
come
back
to
is
someone
who's
going
to
sit
at
home,
know
what
we're
talking
about
and
if
everybody
knows
it's
joe
schmoe's
recycling,
if
you
say
joe's
recycling,
there's
only
one
joe
in
town,
and
maybe
it's
obvious
enough,
then
maybe
not,
but
of
course
you
know,
the
supreme
court
has
been
pretty.
E
A
Okay
and
the
same
aspect
of
that
is,
if
there's
not
enough
information
on
the
agenda
and
the
council
still
decides
to
act,
obviously
the
council
cell's
responsible.
So
we
would
be
our
responsibility
and
the
solicitor's
responsibility
to
tell
us
if
it's
not
a
proper
agenda
item
and
moving
on
to
the
next
agenda.
E
I
think
that's
right
sometimes,
and
sometimes
you
do
make
those
decisions
sort
of
in
real
time
and
I
think
part
of
the
obviously
it's
48
hours
notice,
but
maybe
part
of
the
the
good
thing
about
I've
heard
clerks,
say:
oh,
we
always
put
up
a
week
ahead
of
time
that
way
it
gives
people
some
time
to
look
it
over
and
then
what
do
you
know?
Three
days
before
we
find
the
error.
It
gave
us
a
couple
days
to
find
the
error
we're
still
within
the
48
hours.
We
put
up
an
amended
agenda.
A
Now
and
the
other
thing,
for
instance,
I
just
received
the
letter
three
days
ago
or
four
days
ago
about
a
group
of
individuals
that
sits
in
a
certain
area
around
here
swearing
during
the
meetings.
So
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
can
I
it's
not
on
the
agenda
tomorrow,
but
can
I
address
that
the
crowd
needs
to
watch
what
they're
saying
or
doing
why?
The
meeting
is
that
is
that
an
issue
with
the
agenda
like,
for
instance,
I
had
the
last
meeting.
A
F
A
A
H
I
think,
obviously
that
would
be
for
discussion
purposes
only.
So
I
think
if
you
omitted
your
agenda
just
to
say
we're
going
to
talk
about,
you
know
the
proper
conduct
during
meetings
for
members
of
the
public.
We
ask
that
you
know
everyone
conduct
themselves
in
a
complete
manner
and
swearing.
I
think
that
would
be
fine.
I've
also
seen
certain
public
bodies
put
a
provision
at
the
bottom.
H
A
H
Version
of
our
open
government
presentation
every
july
we
give
a
huge
open
government
summit,
it's
the
full
three-hour
presentation,
members
of
public
audience
from
all
over
the
state,
and
also
just
members
of
the
public
who
are
just
really
gung-ho
about
open
meeting
vlogs
and
they
come
and
they
watch,
and
we
provide
a
much
longer
version
of
this
presentation.
We
also
have
a
really
handy-dandy
booklet
that
we
hand
out
that
has
the
text
of
the
statute
as
well
as
summaries.
There.
H
You
go
it's
beautiful
and
prior
findings
from
the
previous
year
and
also
some
additional
resources
from
our
office,
like
a
copy
of
the
form
that
we
use
a
copy
of
our
certificate
of
compliance
with
the
access
records
act.
So
I
would
just
really
push
our
own
government
summit
and
extra
live
and
that
presentation
is
also
available
on
our
website.
If
you
want
to
get
more
into
the
exemptions
from
the
access
to
public
records
act
or
a
refresher
on
what
we
discussed
tonight,.
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A
E
F
D
That
you
keep
hearing
is
that
it's
all
very
fact
specific,
but
so
much
of
it
is
with
these
two
laws.
So
I
think
it
goes
back
to
thinking
about.
Could
someone
who
has
no
idea?
What
we're
talking
about
read
this
and
know
what
we're
going
to
talk
about
tonight
and
and
what
that
requires
for
any
particular
item
might
vary
in
what
that
item
is.
H
So
I
would
say
that
if
you're
posting
your
agenda
on
the
secretary
of
state's
website-
and
it
just
says-
treasurer's
report
with
a
little
pay-per-click
symbol
and
that's
it,
then
that
attachment
would
have
to
be
available
on
the
secretary
of
state's
website
as
well.
But
if
that
treasurer's
report
says
fiscal
year,
20
revenues
expenditures,
you
know
blah
blah
blah
for
whatever
the
heck
we're
in
october
and
that
would
be
sufficient
enough
on
its
own.
F
G
That's
what
I'm
asking
because,
like
you
said
normally,
if
you
see
the
finance
director's
report,
you
know
what
that
means
without
getting
into
2020
september
expenditures.
You
know
how
much
do
you
have
to
pay
because
again
with
the
police
department,
if
the
police
department's
making
a
report
to
the
council
on
a
quarterly
basis,
2020
quarterly
report
from
the
police
department,
you
really
can't
discuss
personnel
and
open.
G
So
you
know
it's
kind
of
limited
and
I
don't
think
he's
going
to
go
over
arrests
convictions,
things
of
that
nature,
but
when
you're
talking
about
a
department,
that's
clearly
defined
in
our
homeworld
charter
as
to
what
their
jobs
are
and
again
readily
available
for
everyone.
How
much
more
information
do
you
have
to
put
in?
Besides
again,
we
know
directors,
reports
wrong,
so
director's
report
would
be.
How
do
you
make
it
not
wrong
with
with
minimal
language.
E
So
much
so
fact
specific.
If,
if
the
report
is
very
general,
then
maybe
the
agenda
item's
a
little
bit
more
general.
But
if
the
reports
on
particular
arrest
statistics
or
whatever
it
is,
I
mean
I
think
the
answer
is
always
going
to
be,
and
I
said
this
before
and
it's
a
little
annoying
of
an
answer
which
is
to
be
as
specific
as
you
can
be.
It
doesn't
mean
you
need
to
post
the
text
of
the
report.
E
A
Did
you
know
because
you
go
on
secretary
of
state
and
go
on
every
city
and
town's
website
and
they
have
their
agendas
and
I
think
the
two
most
impressive
agendas
that
I've
seen
and
I
think
because
they've
been
scrutinized
in
the
past-
was
east
greenwich
and
there
against
it.
They
seemed
that
you
brought
here
against
to
my
attention,
so
I
went
and
looked
at
that
also,
but
then
I
look
at
a
lot
of
others,
they're
very,
very
similar,
very
little
detail,
and
so
that's
what
you
know
I
kind
of
was
saying.
A
D
We
should
have
it
right.
I
totally
agree
with
that.
I
think
one
thing
I
might
recommend
is
you
know
you
might
you
know?
Certainly
if
there
are
towns
that
you
you
seem
to
think
are
doing
it?
Well,
you
can
look
at
them.
For
example,
you
could
also
look
back
at
some
of
the
past
findings
of
our
office
work
with
your
solicitor
they're
available
on
westlaw.