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A
A
B
We
won't
be
taking
a
role
or
anything
like
that
and
technically
it's
a
senate
committee,
but
we
do
have
chairman
eckland
here
from
the
house
side.
Welcome
mr
chairman,
and
senator
cost
had
a
bill
that
he's
presenting
so
he'll
be
joining
us
and
senator
bouchard
will
be
unable
to
make
it
but
he's
excused
from
this
meeting.
B
So
that
being
said,
we're
just
going
to
do
our
best
to
kind
of
begin
to
wrap
our
minds
around
what
we
may
be
facing
over
the
coming
years
with
our
federal
partners
and
we're
going
to
have
a
wide
ranging
discussion.
I
hope-
and
I
have
a
good
update
from
congresswoman
cheney's
office
from
the
governor's
office,
and
then
we
also
have
the
public
lands
council
scheduled
to
testify,
as
well
as
any
other
public
comment
that
may
come
our
way,
but
right
off
the
bat.
B
I
just
want
to
start
off
pointing
out
that
one
of
the
topics
we're
going
to
be
discussing
about
is
this
ban
on
new
oil
and
gas
leases
at
the
federal
level.
A
lot
of
attention
has
been
given,
rightfully
so
to
the
effects
this
will
have
on
our
oil
and
gas
industry
to
our
state
and
local
governments.
That
will
be
adversely
affected
by
such
a
ban
or
any
restriction
on
development
of
these
vital
resources,
but
also
affects
agriculture.
B
It
affects
the
property
rights
of
those
ranchers
who
are
caught
up
in
that
federal
nexus
and
that
it's
hard
to
find
a
place
in
the
state
of
wyoming,
where
that
federal
nexus
is
not
existence
to
some
extent
or
another.
I
wish
that
the
federal
government
just
owned
one
big
block
of
land
in
the
state,
and
that
was
it,
of
course,
that's
not
the
case.
I
happen
to
be
from
the
powder
river
basin,
where
less
than
10
percent
of
the
actual
surface
in
some
areas
is
owned
by
the
federal
government.
B
So
the
effects
on
private
property
rights
of
any
restriction
on
oil
and
gas
development
in
wyoming
are
significant
and
we're
hoping
to
highlight
some
of
those
effects
here
today.
Among
other
topics,
and
so
we're
going
to
be
focused
on
that
we're
going
to
be
focused
on
the
actual
real
impacts
of
these
policies.
There's
been
a
narrative
out
there,
especially
when
it
comes
to
oil
and
gas
ban
that
oh,
it's
just
temporary.
It
only
affects
federal
land,
as
we
know
what
we're
getting
the
actual
effects
on
the
land
are
not
limited
to
federal
land.
B
It's
I
think
it's
disingenuous
to
point
towards
a
ban
that
is
temporary
in
nature.
For
now,
without
acknowledging
the
challenges
associated
with
requiring
department
of
interior
approval
for
even
routine
paperwork
and
oil,
gas
wells,
I've
already
been
permitted
already
been
leased.
Obviously
the
effect
in
real
life
is
going
to
be
to
grind
a
lot
of
that
activity
to
a
halt
if
it's
not
competently,
managed
and
just
like
to
also
point
out
before
we
go
to
our
guests
as
a
rancher
who's
personally
affected.
B
By
this,
I
can
tell
you
that
the
real
environmentalists
are
our
farmers
and
ranchers.
We
breathe
out
air
that
those
pad
locations
are
on.
We
drink
the
water
underneath
them.
We
depend
upon
the
land
that
those
oil
and
gas
locations
are
on.
For
our
very
livelihood
and
the
tension
that
occasionally
exists
between
those
oil
and
gas
producers
and
the
landowner
is
enough
to
produce
good
results
for
the
environment
and
good
results
for
our
economy
and
our
national
strength
and
our
national
security.
B
So
with
that
in
mind,
I
will
be
talking
about
that
and
obviously
that's
something
you
can
tell
I'm
pretty
passionate
about
being
from
commerce
county,
but
we'll
cover
other
topics
as
well.
That
deal
with
the
potential
changes
that
the
federal
government
may
have.
That
will
affect
agriculture
and
maybe
they're
not
they're,
not
all
going
to
be
bad,
we'll
find
out.
Maybe
there's
some
opportunities
there
as
well.
B
So
that
being
said,
we
have
esther
wagner,
who
is
a
point
of
contact
for
energy
and
congresswoman
cheney's
office
and
holly
kidney,
who
is
the
staffer
for
agriculture
and
congresswoman
cheney's
office
they're
both
here.
Thank
you,
ladies
for
being
here,
and
we
appreciate
your
time
and
the
floor
is
yours.
C
Thank
you
and
good
morning
or
good
afternoon.
My
apologies
chairman
bonner,
chairman
eckland,
and
members
of
the
committee.
We
are
excited
to
be
here
today
to
give
you
an
update
on
these
issues,
and
I
appreciate
your
optimism
and
I
I'm
sorry
if
we
crush
it
a
little
bit
today.
My
name
is
holly
kennedy,
as
you
mentioned,
and
I
recently
joined
the
congresswoman
staff
handling
hurt
my
policy
issues.
The
congresswoman
sends
her
apologies.
She
does
not
believe
she'll
be
able
to
join
today.
C
She
may
hop
on
later
if
she
has
an
opening,
but
unfortunately
conflicting
obligations
in
dc
have
made
it
impossible
for
her
to
be
here,
but
in
eric
room.
I
am
also
joined
by
esther
wagner.
As
you
mentioned,
she
handles
energy
and
lands
for
congresswoman
cheney.
If
it
works
for
you,
I
will
lead
off
on
talking
about
agricultural
issues
and
then
esther
will
follow
with
the
energy
issues.
C
As
you
well
know,
debate
this
administration
in
this
administration.
The
energy
industries
have
taken
a
brunt
of
the
economics,
however,
with
recent
confirmation
of
tom
vilsack
as
secretary
of
agriculture
and
with
a
potential
upcoming
confirmation
of
representative
holland.
As
the
secretary
of
interior,
I
think
we
will
see
a
shift
in
focus
towards
ag
issues
and,
unfortunately
begin
seeing
more
direct
attacks
on
our
agricultural
industry.
I
will
start
off
by
addressing
some
of
the
climate
agenda
related
items
that
we
anticipate
to
heavily
influence
our
ag
producers
starting
off
with
30
by
30..
C
C
This
is
an
effort
to
permanently
lock
up
federal
lands
for
multiple
use
through
placing
permanent
protections
in
growth
on
existing
federal
lands
and
ramping
up
land
acquisitions
to
increase
federal
land
acreage.
The
administration
had
stated
they
will
work
to
achieve
this
30
by
30
goal
by
supporting
local
state
private
and
privately
led
nature
conservation
and
restoration
efforts.
The
doi
has
been
directed
to
evaluate
how
to
best
measure
and
assess
the
country's
progress
towards
this
30
by
30
goal
in
the
coming
months.
C
C
They
are
supposed
to
deliver
actionable
advice
for
a
rapid
start,
whole
of
government,
climate
response
coordinated
by
the
white
house
and
accountable
to
the
president.
This
does
create
a
new
position
within
the
president's
cabinet,
and
some
of
their
recommendations
are
very
concerning
for
our
industries,
for
example,
out
of
the
department
of
the
interior.
C
It
also
increases
the
budget
requests
for
wind
permitting
for
greenhouse
gas
emission
regulations,
land
use
planning
or
from
well
plugging
land,
restoration,
wildfire
management
and
staffing
calls
for
reductions
to
emissions
from
fossil
fuels,
will
slow
or
halt
opt
for
leafing,
will
phase
out,
venting
and
flaring
of
methane,
reinstate
compensatory
mitigation
and
quantify
biological
carbon
losses
and
gains
in
nepa
reviews,
and
that's
just
at
the
recommendations
out
of
the
department
of
the
interior
for
the
department
of
agriculture.
C
So
that's
some
of
the
extreme
ideas
we're
seeing
come
out
of
that.
Yet
moving
on
to
hr
803,
I
don't
know
how
many
of
you
would
have
heard
of
this.
Yet
this
is
the
house
democrats
plan
for
addressing
wild
land
issues
at
this
point,
so
it's
called
protecting
america's
wilderness
and
public
lands
act,
and
this
package
of
bills
is
a
blatant
federal
land
grab
that
limits,
recreational
and
commercial
access
and
eliminates
multiple
use
on
millions
of
acres
of
federal
lands
in
arizona,
california,
colorado
and
washington.
C
While
this
package
does
not
directly
affect
wyoming
lands,
it
certainly
highlights
the
type
of
attacks
we
will
see
moving
forward
under
this
administration.
This
act
supports
and
furthers
biden's.
30
by
30
plans
increases
the
threat
of
catastrophic
wildfire
through
new
wilderness
and
scenic
and
wild
river
designations
that
prohibit
scientific
forest
management
it
under
it
sets
the
stage
to
undermine
state
water
rights
and
threatens
local
economies
and
rural
jobs,
creating
new
management
burdens.
Instead
of
allowing
agencies
to
focus
on
their
resources
that
they
already
have.
C
C
C
We
expect
to
see
a
new
emergence
of
focuses
on
the
national
oceans
policy
again,
another
fight
over
who
has
jurisdiction
to
control
upstream
waters.
This
has
been
an
effort
through
voluntary
state
programs
to
date,
but
we
anticipate
that
the
voluntary
portion
of
that
will
be
moved
over
to
mandatory.
C
C
We
realize
how
important
it
is
to
ensure
that
our
producers
have
the
ability
to
equitably
market
their
products
in
an
important,
and
this
is
an
important
issue
that
we
will
continue
to
work
on
for
the
state
of
wyoming.
I
can
take
questions
at
this
time
or,
if
you'd
prefer.
Some
of
those
questions
may
be
covered
in
esther's
portion
of
this
report.
D
Mr
chairman,
go
ahead,
ma'am
being
a
farmer,
the
wotus
is
a
big
deal
to
the
ag
community
community
and
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
others.
Would
you
run
that
by
again,
they're
just
gonna?
Are
they
proposing
new
changes
because
former
president
trump
had
kind
of
stopped
their
the
obama
era,
starting
down
the
road
of
controlling
every
bit
of
water,
surface
water,
including
a
pond
in
your
front
yard,
or
a
puddle
rain
puddle
in
your
front
yard?
D
Can
you
expand
on
that
a
little?
What
what
they're
doing
again.
C
Chairman
boner,
senator
french,
yes,
so
under
the
previous
administration,
the
cra,
the
congressional
review
act,
was
used
to
repeal
and
replace
that
former
definition
of
the
waters
of
the
united
states
or
lotus
rule,
and
that
has
been
in
place
to
date.
What
has
happened
so
far
under
this
administration?
Is
they
put
a
freeze
on
lawsuits
that
were
in
place
to
try
to
strengthen
and
protect
that
definition
of
lotus
and
that
narrowing
of
what
was
applicable
underneath
the
act?
C
So
they
have
temporarily
put
a
freeze
on
that
litigation
and
we
expect
them
to
initiate
a
direct
attack
on
that
legislation.
That
was
passed
far
enough
back
in
the
last
administration
that
it
is
not
eligible
for
the
congressional
review
act
at
this
point.
But
I
do
think
that
we'll
see
a
new
initiation
of
rulemaking.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Senator
french,
going
back
to
the
you
mentioned,
increasing
wind
power
on
federal
lands,
and
you
know
obviously
in
wyoming
it's
not
quite
as
simple
like
it
says.
If
there's
a
big
block
of
our
land
there,
especially
something
that's
dispersed
as
a
wind
farm,
is
going
to
have
a
lot
of
private
property
in
there,
and
you
know
what
some
revenue
that
goes
to
the
state
as
a
result
of
that
you
know:
property
taxes,
sales,
tax
and
so
on.
B
I'm
just
thinking
to
the
way
that
say,
oil
and
gas
and
other
types
of
energy
development
work
on
federal
lands.
Where
there's
a
portion
of
those
revenues
that
go
to
state
government
like
our
federal
mineral
royalties.
Is
there
any
discussion
about
having
something
similar
for
wind
power
on
federal
land?
If
that's
going
to
be
a
more
of
a
objective
over
the
next
few
years,
it
would
be
nice
to
you
know,
have
obviously
the
state
local
governments
are
becoming
the
ones
dealing
with
the
impacts
associated
with
that
development.
C
I
believe
on
that
question.
Esther
might
be
able
to
better
address
it
where
she
handles
the
energy
policy
directly.
Would
you
like
us
to
go
ahead
and
address
that
at
this
point,
or
do
you
want
to
wait
until
esther's
portion.
B
All
right,
so
any
further
questions
for
miss
kennedy.
B
E
E
E
As
you
know,
the
biden
administration
hit
the
ground
running
and
immediately
launched
a
direct
attack
on
energy
by
releasing
a
series
of
executive
orders
that
made
it
more
difficult
to
produce
domestic
energy,
particularly
oil
and
gas.
Unfortunately,
we
expect
to
see
more
actions
in
the
form
of
moratoriums
and
unnecessarily
burdensome
regulations
as
the
month
in
the
months
ahead
on
day,
one,
the
acting
doi
secretary
suspended
blm's
authority
on
fossil
fuel
permitting
for
60
days
and
then,
a
week
later,
an
indefinite
pause
was
placed
on
all
new
oil
and
gas
leasing.
E
In
response
to
these
orders,
congresswoman
cheney
introduced
and
co-sponsored
several
bills,
prohibiting
a
moratorium
on
oil,
gas,
coal,
hard,
rock
and
critical
mineral
leasing.
She
also
co-sponsored
a
bill
prohibiting
a
moratorium
on
the
use
of
fracking
and
signed
several
letters
to
president
biden
and
acting
doi
secretary
de
la
vega,
requesting
the
secretary
order
on
fossil
fuel
permitting
be
rescinded.
E
E
The
compensation
would
be
in
the
form
of
annual
payments
made
by
doi
from
federal
mineral
royalties,
as
long
as
the
moratorium
is
in
effect
also
the
same
eo
that
put
the
oil
and
gas
leasing
pause
in
place
requires
doi
to
review
how
much
taxpayers
get
from
fossil
fuel
development
and
public
lands,
and
it
mentions
using
royalty
rates
as
a
way
to
account
for
the
climate
costs
associated
with
this
type
of
development.
We
believe
the
analysis
impacts
put
together
with
a
newly
revised
social
cost
of
carbon
will
be
used
to
justify
increases
to
royalty
rates.
E
She
plans
to
be
an
original
co-sponsor
on
representative
mckinley's
scale
act
which
will
provide
for
the
build-out
of
large-scale
co2
transport
systems
and
storage.
Now
that
we
have
an
incentive,
of
course,
to
finance
carbon
capture
systems
at
wyoming's
coal-fired
power
plants
and
other
facilities
through
the
reform
and
expansion
of
45-q.
E
This
bill
will
provide
the
policy
support
needed
to
help
build
out
the
associated
infrastructure.
The
scale
act
also
creates
the
opportunity
to
re,
receive
significant
federal
support
for
developing
a
large
regional
co2
storage
hub
and
pipelines
to
serve
wyoming.
This
will
work
nicely
with
the
recently
completed
wyoming
pipeline
corridor
initiative.
E
With
regard
to
uranium,
we
were
able
to
get
75
million
dollars
authorized
in
the
omnibus
last
year
for
uranium
reserve.
Representative
cheney
is
an
original
co-sponsor
on
the
nuclear
prosperity
and
security
act
that
provides
for
the
establishment
of
a
reserve
and
that
bill
was
introduced
actually
earlier
today.
E
I'd
also
like
to
point
out
that
there
are
a
couple
of
rules
of
importance
to
the
energy
producers
that
are
subject
to
the
biden
freeze.
Memo
first
is
the
office
of
natural
resources,
revenue
or
honor
valuation
rule
that
updates
the
process
for
evaluating
and
paying
oil
and
oil,
gas
and
coal
royalties
produced
from
federal
lands.
E
E
Lastly,
the
the
non-energy
solid
leasable
mineral
royalty
rate
reduction
rule
or,
as
we
like
to
call
it,
the
soda
ash
rule
is
subject
to
the
congressional
review
act.
This
rule
clarifies
doi's
authority
to
lower
federal
royalty
rate
on
several
minerals,
including
trona.
E
The
final
rule
went
into
effect
in
november
and
then
dui
secretary
bernhardt
applied
a
10-year
across-the-board
royalty
rate
of
two
percent
for
soda
ash.
This
royalty
reduction
has
been
important
to
our
soda
ash
producers,
so
we'll
be
keeping
an
eye
out
for
any
rumblings
of
a
cra.
On
the
rule,
we
do
plan
to
keep
putting
pressure
on
this
administration
to
stem
the
flow
of
the
actions
that
are
harmful
to
our
state.
E
The
congresswoman
will
continue
to
introduce
bills
and
work
closely
with
western
caucus
and
the
house
energy
action
team
to
push
back
on
the
bad
policies
that
come
out
of
this
administration,
and
it's
going
to
be
a
very
busy
time.
So
with
that
we'd
be
happy
to
hear
comments
or
take
any
questions.
And,
mr
chairman,
with
regard
to
your
question
on
the
wind,
I
do
not
have
a
response
for
you
right
now
on
that,
but
I
could
certainly
look
that
up
for
you
and
get
back
to
you.
B
Yeah,
I
certainly
appreciate
that.
I
know
that
was
something
that
I
think
that
was
a
resolution
we
discussed
at
some
point
in
years
past
and
where,
right
now,
I
don't
think
there's
any
revenue
sharing
with
the
state,
but
that
could
have
easily
changed
but
yeah
just
kind
of
curious
as
we
look
to
fill
in
gaps
in
our
revenue
due
to
federal
policies
which
suppress
economic
activity.
B
So
the
question
on
the
royalty
rates
and
the
process
that
it
takes
to
go
through
and
actually
change
that
do
you
have
any
inclination
about
once
that
process
starts
how
long
it
takes
to
you
know
in
the
case
of
oil
and
gas,
looks
like
they're
looking
to
increase
that
12
and
a
half
percent
rate,
any
inclination
as
to
what
that
process
looks
like
how
long
does
it
take
and
when
it
may
be
initiated.
E
My
understanding
is,
it's
pretty
much
the
stroke
of
a
pen.
There
is
no
real
process
it.
Just
the
secretary
could
just
initiate
that
change,
there's.
No,
it
doesn't
have
to
go
through
a
public
comment
or
review
process.
D
Mr
chairman,
miss
wagner
on
that
carbon
capture
bill
you
were
referring
to
is
the
egg
community
in
that
bill,
because
I
know
farmers,
you
know
when
they
harvest
their
crop
harvester.
D
Let's
say:
corn
for
seed
or
or
barley,
there's
a
lot
of
residue
that
they
may
plow
under,
which
is
a
form
of
carbon
capture.
Does
this
bill
have
yeah?
I
always
hear
them
talk
about
carbon
credits.
Does
this
bill
include
the
ag
community
for
their
if
there's
any
benefit
to
them?
Plowing
down
carbon
for
lack
better
word,
crop
residue
and
stuff.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
senator
french.
I
I
do
not
believe
that
it
includes
any
information
on
ag
in
that
it's
it's
mainly
an
infrastructure
bill
that
lays
out.
You
know
how
carbon
capture
is
going
to
take
place,
the
infrastructure
that
will
be
put
in
place
it
you
know,
establishes
a
hub
and
it
also
actually
put
some
funding
in
there
to
establish
a
research
center
which
we'd
sure
like
to
get
that
you
know
brought
here
to
wyoming
if
possible.
E
D
If
they're
talking
about
infrastructure
and
other
things
on
carbon
capture
that
they
include
that
community,
because
they're
across
the
nation
and
including
wyoming,
there's
a
lot
of
carbon
captured
to
those
crop
residues,
it's
a
large
amount.
So
I
think
they
should
surely
be
included
in
any
of
this.
So
that
would
be
my
suggestion
that
you
could
carry
back
to
the
congresswoman.
B
All
right,
I
think,
the
specific
discussion
there
is
the
idea
of
taking
co2
off
of
a
smoke
stack
on
a
coal-fired
power
plant
and
putting
on
a
pipeline
and
using
it.
For
you
know,
tertiary
recovery
in
an
older
oil
field,
usually
but
holly.
I
think,
mentioned
briefly
using
the
triple
c
to
do
something
like
you're
talking
about
senator
french
and
then
she
has
her
hand
up.
So
she
can
go
ahead.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Senator.
C
I
was
going
to
reiterate
that
we
are
expecting
to
see
some
carbon
farming
policies
coming
forward,
either
through
the
avenue
of
the
30
by
30
or
the
climate
21
project,
and
with
that
we
do
see
room
for
implementation
of
biodigesters
which
do
produce
methane
from
from
a
newer
emissions.
So
I
do
think
that
if
there's
interest
from
our
ag
community
there
and
engaging
in
programs
for
that
that
there
will
be
some
of
that
coming
forward.
D
Okay
yeah,
mr
chairman
yeah.
Hopefully
it's
all
inclusive,
you
know,
because
maybe
it
might
not
be
a
biodigester
or
something
well
that
would
benefit
certain
parts
of
the
ag
community
and
that
would
be
great
but
there's
other
parts
that
you
know
it's
pretty
involved.
D
If
they,
I
know,
as
a
farmer,
I
plow
tons
of
carbon
down
in
crop
residue
every
year,
so
I
think
anything
that
comes
forward
every
aspect
of
the
ag
community,
whether
it's
a
mineral
biodigester
or
whatever
you
mention
all
aspects
of
it
should
be
included
in
any
of
that.
Thank
you.
C
G
G
In
the
state
of
wyoming,
we
have
some
fairly
effective,
forced
pooling
regulation
with
our
oil
and
gas
commission.
G
How
this
is
off
the
off
the
subject
from
what
we
just
spoke
of,
but
I
have
has
your
office
considered
that
as
a
means
for
private
individuals
to
lease
their
property
and
and
because,
generally,
these
in
shale
drilling
they're
doing
two
mile
lateral,
so
the
federal
land
really
affects
the
private
land
in
between
and
if
the
private
lands
are
are
leased.
E
Block,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
you
know
I
haven't
really
looked
into
that.
I
know
that
I
think
senator
boner
were
you
working
on
a
bill
along
those
lines.
B
Yeah,
yes,
I
did
a
little
bit
of
a
research
into
that
and
there
there
is
some
precedent
from
other
states
of
attempting
to
do
that
with
a
limited
success,
of
course
that
I
think,
under
those
conditions
that
is
assumed
or
the
federal
government
was
following
their
own,
multiple
use
laws,
not
contradicting
them.
So
I'm
not
an
attorney,
but
it's
my
understanding
that
that
capability
exists.
If
an
oil
gas
operator
wants
to
force,
pool
the
federal
government,
that's
something
they
can
try
and
do
through
our
oil
and
gas
conservation.
B
Commission
there's
in
discussions
with
the
commission
there's
nothing
that
I
think
the
state
would
do
to
necessarily
stand
in
their
way.
But
I
I
imagine
that
that
oil
and
gas
operators
attorneys
would
be
advising
them
not
to
do
so
because
there's
significant
legal
risk,
of
course,
there's
a
double
standard
there.
They
can
force
pull
anybody
else,
except
for
the
federal
government
and
a
lot
of
the
same
property
right
dynamics
still
apply
that
if
there's
a
suppression
of
the
federal
minerals
there's
a
suppression
of
the
corresponding
in
ordering
property,
private
property
and
state
property.
B
So
you
know,
I'm
not
sure,
that's
a
decision
for
each
individual
company
to
make
if
yeah,
who
knows
what,
if
they,
who
wants
to
take
that
risk
but
who
never
knew
that
an
act
of
civil
disobedience
might
be.
You
know
drawn
for
oil
and
gas
on
predominantly
private
property,
but
that's
where
we're
at
potentially
so
yeah.
That's
that
may
be
an
option,
but
it's
up
to
the
individual
oil
and
gas
producers
to
assess
that
risk
and
the
potential
benefit.
G
I'm
am
I
muted,
or
am
I
on
you
get
you
get?
Oh
I'm
good,
okay!
I
I
think
that
that's
probably
a
risk
that
eventually
we
we
should
take.
Somebody
should
take
if
not
private
companies
and
the
state
ought
to
take
it
on.
They
were
the
ones
that
set
up
the
rules
to
to
allow
for
drilling
to
take
place
in
an
efficient
manner.
So
I
I
think
eventually
that
may
be
one
of
our
tools
in
the
toolbox.
G
And
and
mr
chairman,
I
don't
believe
it's
an
act
of
civil
disobedience.
I
think
it's
an
act
of
protection
of
private
property
rights.
B
B
Okay,
well,
I
appreciate
both
of
you
being
here
today
appreciate
the
perspective
and
the
heads
up.
As
I
said
committee,
this
is
something
that
we're
going
to
be
dealing
with
over
the
next
interim,
I'm
sure,
but
it's
always
good
to
get
our
kind
of
begin
to
think
about
these
things.
Now,
while
we
have
time
and
we
don't
have
any
bills
in
the
hopper
right
now,
so
thank
you
once
again,
I
appreciate
the
congresswoman
from
for
making
you
available
and
for
coordinating
with
us
at
the
state
level.
That's
always
important.
B
B
B
All
right
well
welcome
three
members
of
the
governor's
staff
appreciate
you
all
being
here
today.
I
guess
I
don't
have
a
strong
opinion
as
to
who
goes
first
but
yeah,
just
looking
for
an
update
as
to
where
we're
at
you
know,
some
situations
are
we're
currently
dealing
with
them
very
fluid
like
the
oil
and
gas
lease
ban,
but
obviously
anything
you
any
perspective.
You
might
have
that's
to
directly
affect
agriculture,
we'd
love
to
hear
that
as
well.
So
the
four
is
yours:
whoever
wants
to
go
first.
H
H
Well,
first
thing,
I
would
say,
is
how
much
I
appreciate
working
with
the
federal
delegation,
the
congressional
delegation,
as
they
went
through
the
things
that
they
thought
were
important.
All
it
allowed
me
to
just
keep
crossing
things
off
the
list,
so
I
think
they
hit
a
lot
of
them.
I
sent
to
the
the
only
thing
I
would
also
mention
is
in
reality
the
department
of
the
interior
epa.
H
So
those
are
the
other
areas
that
we
expect
to
see
we're
looking
for
it.
We
don't
want
to
see
it,
but
we
fully
expect
it
just
in
general.
I
would
say
the
governor
has
been
very
clear
about
the
actions
of
the
biden.
Administration
in
this
area
has
said,
he's
going
to
take
all
actions,
absolutely
all
actions
necessary
to
protect
wyoming
citizens.
H
I
sent
you
a
bunch
of
letters,
and
my
plan
was,
if
you
had
questions
about
those
letters
that
is
just
to
show
you
what
we've
done
so
far
as
we
you
know,
continue
into
the
process.
H
As
you
look
back
at
it,
it's
hard
to
believe
that
the
biden
administration
has
just
been
in
power
for
about
30
or
so
days,
because,
frankly,
they
did
move
quickly
and
we're
moving
just
as
quickly
to
try
and
combat
them.
You
know
where
we
feel
it's
necessary
to
protect
wyoming
citizens.
H
So
with
that
I
would
say
the
other
thing
I
would
mention
the
60-day
redelegation
of
authority
to
sign
documents.
You
have
two
letters
in
your
package
that
actually
deal
with
that.
H
H
H
H
H
You
members
of
the
legislature,
passed
a
budget
footnote
last
year,
actually
authorizing
money
for
the
university
of
wyoming
to
do
a
study
of
how
much
it
would
cost
the
state
of
wyoming
as
well
as
six
or
seven
other
western
states.
Should
there
be
either
a
leasing
ban
or
a
drilling
ban
for
oil
and
gas,
and
it's
billions
of
dollars
and
I'll
gladly
send
that
to
all
of
you
as
well?
We
have
found
that
study
to
be
absolutely
invaluable,
as
we
talk
to
people
about
just
what
an
effect
this
could
have
on
wyoming.
H
Mr
chairman,
you
pointed
it
out
exactly
you're
the
ag
committee.
You
know
it
doesn't
seem
like
it
might
be
a
direct
effect,
but
when
nearly
half
of
wyoming's
surface
is
federally
owned,
but
more
than
that
of
the
subsurfaces
or
mineral
rights
and
federally
owned.
It
affects
you,
and
you
all
know
that
very
well,
so
that,
mr
chairman,
I
would
say
I
yeah.
No
I'm
glad
to
try
and
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
and
then
I
think
beth
has
another
meeting
coming
up.
H
So
if
you
I'll
just
you
know,
allow
her
then
to
really
cover
the
the
hard
stuff
and
I'll
just
sit
back
and
watch.
But
should
you
have
any
questions
for
me?
Please
ask.
B
B
So
I
I
think
we
we
both
kind
of
touched
on
this
idea.
It
seems
to
me
that
perhaps
the
most
order
that
has
the
most
immediate
damage
is
a
decision
to
route
to
my
understanding.
All
decisions
regarding
oil
and
gas
permits
leases.
Even
you
know
something
as
routine
as
modifying
a
location
or
changing
a
downhill
location.
These
sundries
that
those
have
to
be
routed
all
the
way
to
interior,
and
that
has
had
the
effect
already
of
slowing
down
the
process
to
the
point
where
it's
affecting
operations
on
the
ground.
B
First
of
all,
is
that
a
correct
understanding
of
the
situation
and
is
that
changed
recently
in
the
past
two
weeks?
As
you
know,
you
just
increase
the
hurdles
you
have
to
go
through
to
do
routine
work
even
on
stuff.
That's
already
been
approved,
mr
chairman,.
H
That
isn't
a
correct
assessment.
I
will
say
that
there
have
been
some
improvements.
There
were
a
series
of
apds
that
we
got
word
late
last
week
that
were
approved
or
early
last
week.
I
guess
that
were
approved,
but
it's
still
not
operating
as
it
should
how.
What
we
have
seen
is
what
I
call
just
a
lot
of
processing.
H
You
know
the
people
at
the
state
office
are
processing
these
various
decisions
and
putting
them
together
and
sending
them
off
to
dc
and
dc,
is
processing
them
and
deciding
whether
to
either
to
sign
them
or
send
them
back
to
the
state
level.
So
it's
still
a
problem.
H
B
Okay,
thank
you
appreciate.
I
appreciate
the
governor's,
hard
work
and
his
focus
on
the
actual
impacts
on
the
ground.
I
think
there's
been
a
lot
of
misinformation,
simply
pointing
at
the
you
know
a
word
or
two
in
one
of
the
letters
or
executive
orders
saying:
oh
look,
it's
only
temporary,
but
we
all
know
that
the
actual
effect
of
all
these
orders
is
far
from
temporary
and
far
from
superfluous.
So
I
appreciate
that
the
governor's
efforts
and
all
your
hard
work
is
supporting
him.
B
Oh
yeah,
any
questions
for
mr
lucy
before
we
go
to
miss
cowboy
okay,
go
ahead,
beth.
A
Good
afternoon,
mr
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee
I'll
keep
my
comments
brief
in
terms
of
the
the
topics
of
interest
to
this
committee
and
in
my
portfolio,
I
have
worked
closely
with
randall
on
the
letters
that
have
been
mentioned
under
the
secretarial
order
and
the
executive
order
from
the
president.
A
A
This
is
a
bi-annual
act
that
is
passed
by
congress
to
authorize
spending
on
water
resources
projects
and
while
we
did
not
see
an
official
were
to
get
past
provisions
of
the
word
a
bill
that
we
worked
closely
with
senator
barrasso
on
were
incorporated
into
the
omnibus
spending
package,
and
you
know
just
one
of
probably
many,
but
one
in
particular.
A
provision
that
I
think
that
this
committee
would
find
of
interest
is
the
small
water
projects
authorization.
A
A
However,
you
know
we
were
able
to
find
it
find
some
happy
ground
in
in
which
senator
barrasso's
office
worked
with
us
to
get
some
provisions
and
the
small
water
projects.
Authorization
sets
aside,
130
million
dollars
annually
through
2030
to
fund
the
study
and
or
construction
of
small
water
projects.
A
Small
water
storage
projects
in
rural
states,
so
those
are
that's
applied
to
states
with
a
population
less
than
1
million
and
the
storage
size
for
those
projects
is
earmarked
for
two
anywhere
between
two
thousand
and
thirty
thousand
acre
feet
of
water.
So
I
would
call
that
some
positive
news.
It's
not
a
changing
policy.
A
Obviously
I
think
that
was
of
interest
to
the
committee
today,
but
I
wanted
to
point
that
out,
as
as
certainly
one
one
really
good
opportunity
on
the
horizon
that
we're
hopeful
to
see
some
funding
come
through
in
terms
of
getting
some
storage
projects
on
the
ground
in
wyoming
and
with
that
said,
I'm
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions.
But
I'd
also
mention
my
colleague
joe
budd.
As
you
are
all
aware,
we'll
probably
have
plenty
more
to
cover
in
terms
of
agricultural
topics
for
this
office.
B
Well,
I
do
appreciate
that
obviously,
water
is
a
huge
deal
for
everybody
in
the
west,
and
so
just
the
question.
I
guess:
how
do
you
see
that
new
funding
at
the
federal
level
affecting
our
water
development
program
is
that
going
to
help
with
say
our
aging
infrastructure
issues
that
we
have
throughout
the
state?
How
do
you
see
those
two
interacting
if
at
all,.
A
Mr
chairman,
thank
you.
That's
that's
a
good
question.
I
think
the
running
theme
these
days
is
doing
more
with
less
we're
going
to
have
to
be
flexible
with
the
state
of
wyoming
and
the
kinds
of
projects
that
we
put
forward
through
the
water
development
office
programs,
for
example,
in
leveraging
existing
federal
resources.
A
I
know
that's
something:
that's
really
of
great
interest
to
to
the
governor,
as
well
as
to
the
state
agencies
and
coming
up
with
creative
ways
to
to
better
leverage
those
funds,
so
that
you
know
we
easily
cost
share
and
take
advantage
of
programs
that
are
out
there.
So,
in
addition
to
the
authorization
that
I
just
mentioned,
it's
I
it
sounds
like
this.
B
Beth,
okay,
saying
none.
Thank
you
appreciate
the
time
here.
B
And
last
but
not
least,
we
have
joe
budd
so
welcome
to
the
committee
again.
I
look
forward
to
hearing
what
you
have
to
say.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee.
I'm
gonna
focus
a
little
bit
on
on
some
of
the
national
stuff,
especially
having
conversations
with
this
committee
and
the
house
committee
before
on
on
some
of
the
bills
that
are
in
the
legislature
right
now,
but
kind
of
wanted
to
highlight
what
we're
seeing
in
the
cares,
2.0
or
american
rescue
plan
or
or
whatever
the
title
of
it
is
this
week.
The
large
spending
bill,
I
guess,
is
how
I
would
characterize
it.
F
But
there
are
some
some
things
in
there
that
I
think
we
can
be
optimistic
about
that.
That
really
directly
relate
to
a
couple
things
that
have
been
going
on
in
the
state,
and
I
would
start
with
there's
a
food
supply
chain
and
ag
pandemic
response
section
within
this
national
bill
and
and
it
would
direct
the
secretary
of
agriculture
to
use
funds
to
purchase
food
and
ag
commodities,
distribute
them
to
individuals
in
need
through
nonprofits
and
things
that
very
much
aligns
with
some
of
what
the
first
lady
is
working
on.
F
But
it
also
has
grants
and
loans
for
small
to
mid-sized
processors
and
distributors,
which
I
think
both
bodies
of
the
legislature
have
discussed
either
in
the
interim
as
join
ag
or
or
individually
this
session.
So
there
may
be
some
some
opportunity
in
there
for
some
of
our
our
meat
processors,
and
it
may
dovetail
nicely
with
some
of
the
work
that's
being
done
in
legislature
right
now.
F
Interestingly
enough,
also
within
this
section
is
a
covid
for
surveillance
piece,
and
this
would
direct
the
secretary
of
ag
agriculture
to
conduct
surveillance
and
animals
that
are
susceptible
and
there's
been
quite
a
bit
of
national
coverage
on
where
money
is
going
and
how
much
of
it
is
going
out
of
the
united
states
or
staying
in
the
united
states.
This
is
one
spot
that
that
I
look
at
that.
I'm
not
really
sure
where
it
will
end
up
it.
It's
300
million
dollars
to
be
used
for
this
purpose,
but
it's
it's
funneled
through.
F
It's
called
the
world
organization
of
animal
health,
which
is
a
subset
of
oie,
which
is
the
office
of
international
episodes
national
international
episodic
center.
So
I
really
I
have
limited
knowledge
on
what
exactly
that
money
is
going
to
do
and
really
how
it
ties
into
say
the
food
side
of
animal
production.
F
I
think
most
are
aware
that
ferrets
and
minks-
and
things
like
that
are
fairly
susceptible
to
covid.
I
don't
believe
I
don't
know
where,
where
it
ends
up
with
cattle
and
sheep
and
hogs,
and
things
like
that,
so
that
that's
one
piece
I
said,
we'll
watch
pretty
close
there
there's
also
a
piece
in
here
that
I
think
is
going
to
be
very
important
for
our
processors,
and
that
is
overtime.
F
Costs
would
be
reduced
for
inspection
and
inspectors
on
small
to
very
small
facilities
and
as
far
as
that
works,
if
there's
overtime
they
have
to
foot
part
of
that
bill.
This
would
reduce
that
for
them
kind
of
alleviate
some
of
that
burden,
and
I
think
nearly
every
single
processor
in
the
state
of
wyoming
is
considered
small
to
very
small
under
usda's
definition.
F
So,
overall,
I
think
there's
some
some
things
that
will
work
in
at
least
this
portion
of
it
for
us
and
other
other
areas
that
I
think
are
probably
important
or
good
things
for
wyoming
their
grants
and
loans
to
increase
medical
supplies,
and
things
like
that,
specifically
with
rural
health
care.
F
This
is
in
the
ag
section
of
of
the
bill.
Currently
it
probably
belongs
in
a
different
section,
but
I
will
let
congress
decide
that
there's
a
lot
of
administration
money
tied
up
in
this
thing
and
there's
also
quite
a
bit
of
money
that
goes
into
snap
programs,
which
some
folks
here
in
wyoming
do
utilize.
F
The
way
that
they're
going
to
break
that
down,
though
it
will
be
a
little
interesting
to
see
how
it
actually
hits
wyoming,
because
they're
saying
that
they
would
do
75
allocation
to
states
based
on
the
share
of
households
that
participate
in
snap
and
the
other
25
will
be
based
on
the
increasing
number
of
households
that
are
using
snaps.
So
I
don't.
F
I
would
have
to
give
one
of
our
policy
specialists
here,
who
does
more
the
snap
stuff
to
tell
you
what
that
might
mean
for
wyoming,
but
at
least
they're
trying
to
to
funnel
money
to
the
people
that
need
it
on
the
ground
and
that
might
be
having
a
tough
time
right
now.
F
The
other
kind
of
good
piece
or-
or
I
think
more
optimistic
piece
within
this
as
it's
written
right
now,
is
that
there
would
be
a
large
chunk
of
money
put
aside
for
activities
authorized
on
the
consumer
protection
act
of
1973,
and
this
mainly
revolves
around
care
facilities
and
ensuring
that
women,
children
and
elderly
are
getting
quality
nutrition,
they're
being
fed,
so
that
helps
our
old
folks
home.
It
helps
our
schools
a
lot
of
other
people.
It
also
includes
territories
and
tribes,
so
it
can
help
in
that
regard
too.
F
I
think
other
pieces
that
are
that
are
within
this
this
bill
right
now,
that
are
a
little
not
again,
not
sure
how
this
will
work
for
farmers
and
ranchers
in
wyoming,
but
there
is
a
large
section
devoted
to
disadvantaged
farmers,
which
is
defined
in
the
1990
farm
bill.
F
I
just
I
don't
know
how
that
will
affect
our
our
farmers
and
ranchers
and
wyoming
at
this
point,
but
it
allows
for
up
to
120
percent
of
outstanding
indebtedness
to
be
paid
back
through
grants
and
loans
and
there's
another
piece
kind
of
also
within
this
section
and
and
then
I'll.
F
Stop
for
questions
is
there's
a
800
million
dollars
and
again
similar
to
the
surveillance
and
where
that
money
goes,
I'm
not
sure
if
this
stays
in
the
u.s
or
leaves,
but
it
is
the
food
for
peace
act
and
this
one
would
be
800
million
dollars
to
provide
commodities
abroad.
Nothing
that
I
have
seen
yet
and
again.
This
could
all
change.
This
is
based
on
a
lot
of
drafts.
F
Is,
I
don't
know
if
those
commodities
come
from
the
united
states,
and
so
that
would
then
be
business
for
our
ranchers
and
farmers
or
whether
they're
just
commodities
period.
So
with
that,
I
would
stop
there.
I
know
that's
kind
of
a
lot
to
throw
at
you,
but
if
there's
any
questions
on
on
that
stuff,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
try
and
answer
them.
B
Okay,
well
yeah.
I
appreciate
it.
It
seems
like
we're.
Gonna
have
to
wait
and
see
what
actually
the
bill
bill
and
what
bill
of
fame
gets
passed.
Is
there
any
speculation
as
to
when
that?
What
that
time
frame
may
be
or
seems
like,
the
last
cares
act
got
here
just
after
we
adjourned
in
the
legislature,
and
presumably
there
be
some
funds
still
that
would
be
left
for
this
at
the
state's
discretion
to
expend
similar
to
the
care
act.
So
any
idea
where
or
when
that
might
be
coming
down,
we've.
F
F
But
one
more
thing
for
the
committee,
mr
chairman,
if
I
could
and
then
I'd
be
happy
to
talk
about
anything
else
you'd
like
to,
but
there
was
a
new
order
that
was
put
out
on
wednesday.
That
is
supposed
to
look
at
critical
supply
chains
and
it
right
now
it
appears
it
is
mainly
focused
on
computer
chips
and
high
capacity
batteries
and
pharmaceuticals
and
certain
minerals
in
times
of
crisis,
I
believe,
is
how
it's
worded,
and
you
know
it
in
the
in
the
press
conference
president
biden
almost
quoted
former
president
trump.
F
A
little
ironic,
I
guess,
given
the
latest
stimulus
package,
but
if
it
helps
us
kind
of
shore
up
our
supply
chains
in
wyoming
and
and
certain
minerals,
maybe
means
something
for
our
energy
industry.
I
think
we'll
capitalize
on
any
opportunity
we
can
but
wanted
to
just
put
that
on
everybody's
radar.
We
don't
know
what
that's
going
to
really
look
like
what
that
study
is
going
to
entail,
but
it
could
could
help
with
some
of
the
issues
that
we
faced
in
the
last
year
and
a
half
with
food
supply
chains
and
and
other
things
there.
So.
B
B
Okay,
I'm
sure
there's
more
to
come
absolutely
and
we'll
be
working
closely
with
you,
joe
and
the
governor's
office
after
we
have
throughout
this
crisis
and
we'll
see
see
what
happens
so.
One
last
shot
for
questions
for
the
governor's
office
committee.
B
Okay,
well,
I
appreciate
you
all
being
here
appreciate
the
governor's
work
on
behalf
of
our
state
we'll
keep
on
pressing
forward
and
even
though
we
face
challenges,
I'm
sure
we'll
be
stronger
for
it
in
the
end,
if
we
keep
on
trying
to
improve
everything
as
we
as
we
meet
these
challenges,
so
thanks
again.
B
Okay,
next
up,
we
have
caitlin
glover
from
the
public
lands
council.
Obviously
big
does
a
lot
of
advocacy
on
behalf
of
agriculture,
specifically
as
it
deals
with
our
public
lands.
That's
a
huge
part
of
being
a
successful
producer
in
the
american
west.
I
appreciate
the
work
that
she
does
for
us
on
our
behalf
as
ranchers
and
farmers.
So
caitlin.
If
you
have
a
chance,
the
floor
is
yours.
C
C
I
serve
as
executive
director
of
the
public
lands
council,
which
is
the
sole
organization
here
in
washington
dc.
The
only
national
organization,
in
fact
where
all
we
do
is
represent
the
rights
and
the
interests
and
the
priorities
of
ranchers
who
have
federal
lands
grazing
permits,
so
any
of
those
blm
forest
service
permits
or
leases.
Additionally,
those
on
grasslands
and
cooperative
agreements
that
you're
more
prone
to
see
on
on
national
refuges
and
in
national
parks
as
well.
C
We
cover
a
broad
number
of
western
states
really
anywhere
that
you
can
find
federal
land
and
so
a
lot
of
these
issues
that
you've
talked
about
today,
whether
you're
talking
about
oil
and
gas
leasing
or
other
energy
development,
or
generally
just
the
question
of
multiple
use.
Those
are
all
things
that
interact
daily
with
with
the
what
the
the
rights
and
interests
of
the
producers
I
represent.
So
one
of
the
things
that
that
I
plan
to
do
today
is
is
really
just
talk
to
you.
C
Several
days
of
this
administration
is
really
telling
that
good
news
story,
that
grazing
is
good
for
the
environment
and
so
as
the
administration
and
as
this
congress
look
at
regulation
and
legislation
related
to
all
of
their
various
climate
initiatives,
that
the
grazing
should
certainly
be
a
part
of
that
as
as
a
tool
and
a
supplement,
because
both
the
governor's
office
and
representative
cheney's
office
talked
a
little
bit
about
carbon
capture
and
and
some
of
the
the
other
terms
and
the
the
terms
and
terminology
of
of
all
of
the
different
climate
conversations
that
are
having
I'll
start
there.
C
So
first
a
lot
of
my
job
and
a
lot
of
the
job
that
I
think
what
you
know
advocates
like
myself,
advocates
rather
than
lobbyists
eu's,
and
what
we
where
we
spend.
Our
time
is
in
translation.
Here
in
washington,
people
talk
about
climate
in
wyoming
across
the
west.
We
talk
about
ecosystems
and
range
management.
C
Here
in
washington.
We
talk
about
carbon
capture,
carbon
sequestration,
wyoming
and
the
west
talk
about
soil
health.
Now,
of
course,
there's
not
a
direct
translation,
because
soil
health
is
all-encompassing,
but
it's
that
all-encompassing
conversation
that
needs
to
be
had
if
we're
going
to
have
a
genuine
conversation
about
environmental
health,
which
is,
is
what
this
administration
professes.
C
They
want
to
do,
and
so,
if
they
want
to
have
that
conversation,
we're
we're
here
to
help
them
through
that
now
one
attribute
and
senator
french,
I'm
not
sure
whether
this
is
a
question
you
raised,
but
I
think
it
was
about
carbon
capture
and
whether
there
was
an
agriculture
component
to
the
questions
of
expanding
authorities
under
45
q
and
so
forth.
Now
some
of
those
changes
were
finalized
through
regulation
at
the
end
of
last
year
and
did
not
include
provisions
for
agriculture.
C
C
Now,
that's
just
one
in
a
suite
of
discussions
that
we're
having
about
how
to
how
to
represent
the
good
work
that
farmers
and
ranchers
are
already
doing
under
this.
This
question
of
carbon
sequestration
and
making
sure
that
all
of
the
good
work
is
is
receiving
the
credit
it
deserves,
and
also
incentivizing
some
of
those
different
practices
and
and
having
an
expanded
conversation.
C
When
you're
talking
about
the
carbon
bank
that
was
so
popular
during
now
secretary
vilsack's,
confirmation
hearing,
you
know
that
it
implicates
the
the
ccc
the
commodity
credit
corporation,
where
before
I
think
most
americans.
Certainly
most
producers,
probably
wouldn't
have
had
a
large
degree
of
familiarity
with
the
ccc.
C
But
now
we
do
after
several
rounds
of
cfap
payments
and
trying
to
figure
out
what,
if
any
appropriate
uses.
There
are
for
a
carbon
bank
and
in
integration
with
ccc
funds,
but
that's
something
that
congress
is
going
to
have
to
figure
out
and,
of
course,
we're
going
to
help
them
figure
that
out.
But
a
lot
of
the
conversations
that
we're
having
more
immediately
is
the
role
that
grazing
can
play
in
all
of
these
conversations
and
what
is
and
is
not
appropriate
in
terms
of
of
regulation.
C
Now,
chairman
boehner
and
the
rest
of
the
committee,
all
of
you
have
been
having
a
variety
of
conversations
about
regulatory
pauses,
regulatory
freezes
and
reviews,
and
I'm
going
to
take
a
little
bit
of
a
of
a
different
tack,
at
least
at
the
beginning
of
this,
and
say
that
every
administration
from
the
obama
administration
to
the
trump
administration
here
each
administration
has
the
authority
to
place
a
pause
or
a
freeze
or
a
review
on
regulations.
C
The
biden
administration
did
not
choose
to
take
that
quick
and
decisive
action
and
instead
chose
to
review
a
lot
of
these
regulations
like
the
nepa
guidance
that
came
out
of
the
white
house
council
on
environmental
quality,
like
several
of
the
esa
final
rules
and
and
so
forth.
All
things
that
are
incredibly
important
to
wyoming
and
certainly
incredibly
important
to
all
of
the
producers
I
represent,
but
but
it
is
worth
noting
that
this
administration
is
taking
a
different
tack
than
some
of
the
other
playbooks
that
we've
seen
in
the
past.
C
This
is
particularly
important
because,
in
from
from
a
from
a
dc
perspective,
I,
if
I
opened
my
blinds
here,
you
would
see
you'd
almost
be
able
to
see
that
the
south
lawn
of
the
white
house,
the
nexus
here
between
industry
groups,
between
congress
and
the
white
house
as
well,
is
close
and
I'll.
Tell
you
that
I've
had
more
conversations
with
this
biden
administration
in
the
early
days
than
we
ever
had
with
the
obama
administration.
So
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
different
approach.
C
Now,
certainly
from
the
oil
and
gas
perspective,
I
I
I
don't,
have
organizational
policy
to
speak
to
oil
and
gas
permitting,
but
someone
earlier
mentioned
the
cost
of
the
federal
nexus
and
you're,
absolutely
right
that
when
you
affect
one
multiple
use,
when
you
affect
one
permitted
use
on
the
federal
landscape,
it
has
the
ability
to
upset
the
balance
in
all
of
the
others.
This
management
is
a
balance
and
for
communities
that
rely
not
only
on
this
revenue,
but
these
jobs
and
and
all
of
the
other
attributes
of
some
of
these
permitted
uses.
C
It
is.
It
is
a
statutory
obligation
for
the
bureau
of
land
management
and
is
an
entire
doctrine
under
which
the
forest
service
should
manage
their
landscapes.
Now.
Certainly,
there
are
exceptions,
of
course,
but
that
multiple
use
is
at
the
core
of
really
the
way.
Wyoming
approaches,
land
management
and
resource
management,
but
should
be
the
center
of
the
way
the
biden
administration
is
reviewing
some
of
these
policies
as
well.
C
So
as
part
of
that
regulatory
freeze,
you
know,
we've
seen
a
pause
on
a
number
of
regulations.
Certainly,
plc
is
engaged
both
legislatively
and
through
litigation.
I
know
that
that
all
of
you
are
watching
very
closely
the
wolf
d
listing
in
the
lower
48.
now,
while
wyoming
had
already
experienced
the
wolf
d
listing
and
and
continues
to
to
defend
management
of
that
population.
C
Now
all
of
our
other
neighbors
across
the
lower
48
are
doing
the
same
and
plc
is,
is
working
with
them,
not
only
to
defend
those
cases
in
court,
but
also
give
the
fish
and
wildlife
service
who's
been
trying
to
do
this
for
the
better
part
of
the
last
decade.
Some
room
there
as
well,
but
I
I
do
I
do
want
to
talk
just
a
little
bit
about
some
of
these.
C
These
general
lands
issues,
and
I
realize
this
might
be
outside
of
the
committee's
jurisdiction
a
little
bit
but
representative
cheney's
staff
and-
and
I
think
the
governor's
staff
did
as
well
mentioned
this.
This
concept
of
the
30
by
30
conservation
of
30,
of
lands
and
waters
by
the
year,
2030
and
and
holly
kennedy
from
representative
cheney's
office
was
exactly
right.
A
lot
of
the
details
about
what
conservation
is,
how
the
biden
administration
is
going
to
perceive
conservation
and
going
to
implement
an
increase
conservation
it
it's
it's
pretty.
It's
pretty
vague.
C
C
Those
do
not
require
designation
or
acquisition
federal
ownership,
but
those
are
conservation,
programs
that
improve
or
seek
to
improve
land,
health
and
then
there's
a
whole
third
bucket
of
of
activities
that
improve
land
health
that
have
absolutely
nothing
to
do
with
the
federal
government
and
those
are
the
stories
and
those
are
the
parameters
that
we're
seeking
to
to
see
the
biden
administration
adopt,
because
if
there
is
going
to
be
this
giant,
math
problem
about
landscapes
and
and
waterways
in
the
united
states,
and
they
they
need
to
be
using
the
right
math
and
they
need
to
be
using
the
the
tools
that
they
already
have
on
the
ground,
which
are
the
producers
I
I
represent.
C
Now
I
I
mean
I,
I
could
probably
talk
to
you
all
day,
chairman
boner
and
committee,
about
migration
corridors
about
some
of
the
other
issues
that
were
washing.
Of
course,
endangered
species
act,
migratory
bird
treaty
act,
implementation
not
only
on
incidental
take,
but
also
we're
working
to
improve
the
permitting
structure
for
depredation
around,
particularly
around
raven
depredation.
C
For
for
calves
and
lambs,
you
know
public
land,
access
and,
and
in
all
of
those
things
I
continue
to
emphasize
that
grazing
and
public
lands,
grazing
federal
land
permits
federal
land
is
is
is
better
for
the
producers
who
were
on
that
landscape
federal
land
is
healthier.
If
you
have
an
active
management
strategy,
we
see
that
when
we
look
at
wildfire
just
this
morning,
the
public
lands
environment
and
ecosystem
committee
was
talking
about
wildfire
and
and
how
to
tell
the
story.
C
The
good
news
story
of
grazing
through
the
lens
of
wildfire
emissions
and
and
pollution
reduction,
and
the
story
was
told
of
one
fire
in
california
in
in
2017.
I
believe
that
that
one
fire
that
single
fire
put
more
pollutants
more
particulates
into
the
air
than
all
of
the
cars
in
california
that
year
now,
as
we
talk
about
forest
health,
as
we
talk
about
grassland
health,
those
are
the
kind
of
things
that
are
going
to
continue
to
be
important
through
this
conservation.
C
C
We
will
watch
very
closely
and
very
very
much
engaged
in
support
of
grazing
permits,
both
on
on
forest
service
and
blm
land,
the
the
designation
of
other
management
areas
like
national
heritage
areas
and
monuments
and
wilderness.
C
In
fact,
I
spent
most
of
my
morning
evaluating
284
pages
of
new
wilderness
designations
proposed
in
oregon,
and
those
are
the
kind
of
messages
that
that
members
of
congress
are
going
to
send
to
the
biden
administration
that
now
that
we
have
a
unified
government
congress
is,
is
controlled
by
democrats,
as
is
the
white
house
that
that
is
going
to
be.
You
know
the
opportunity,
that's
taken
more
designations
and
and
more
more
pancaking
management,
as
I
call
it
on
some
of
these
federal
lands.
C
Wyoming
and
the
west
need
to
be
unified,
not
only
that
that
is
not
the
way
to
to
engage
not
only
with
states
and
stakeholders,
but
it's
also
not
the
the
way
to
engage
with
the
landscape
from
the
agriculture
committee's
perspective,
50
percent
of
the
fort,
rather
pardon
me,
40
percent
of
the
national
cattle
herd
and
50
of
the
national
sheep
herd
spend
at
least
some
time
on
federal
lands.
That
is
a
significant
economic
footprint.
C
C
While
there
are
certainly
going
to
be
challenges
over
the
next
several
years,
I
can
say
that
I'm
at
least
beginning
this
year,
with,
with
a
little
bit
more
optimism
than
I
had
intended,
I
had
anticipated
that
it
would
be
a
very
sharp
start
to
a
year,
and
certainly
there
are
some
some
challenges
and
some
road
bumps
in
the
days
ahead.
C
C
One
last
thing
I'll
touch
on
here
and
it's
just
this.
This
concept
of
confirmation
of
of
nominees
secretary
vilsack
is:
it
has
been
confirmed
as
the
secretary
of
the
department
of
agriculture.
Just
this
week,
mr
barrasso
now
ranking
member
of
the
energy
and
natural
resources
committee.
C
Pardon
me,
assisted
in
in
presiding
over
the
committee
consideration
of
representative
deb,
holland
of
new
mexico
to
be
the
secretary
of
the
interior.
There
are
many
familiar
faces
in
acting
capacities
at
both
of
those
agencies,
some
familiar
and
welcome,
and
some
a
little
more
problematic,
some
some
brand
new,
and
so
the
way
that
we
are
approaching
this
administration
is
is
to
take
the
opportunity
for
education
as
as
a
wyoming
girl
myself.
C
I
I'm
confident
we're
going
to
be
able
to
stave
off
some
of
these
some
some
of
the
more
challenging
items,
but,
but
certainly
there
will
be
there
will
be
challenges
in
in
the
days
ahead
now.
Mr
chairman,
I
am
more
than
happy
to
take
questions.
I
know
that
this
was
a
very
high
level
update
so
so
happy
to
to
speak
to
anything
in
the
in
this
portfolio.
C
B
All
right,
thank
you.
Ms
glover
appreciate
the
the
update
committee.
Any
questions
yeah,
mr
chairman,.
D
Go
ahead,
ms
glover,
I
just
want
to
know
if
your
group
has
on
its
radar
screen
on
its
radar.
The
sage
grouse
in
the
western
u.s
and
the
west
and
wyoming's
been
active
in
trying
to
keep
it
from
being
listed.
I
know
it's
talked
about
a
little
bit.
D
What
predators
are
doing
to
the
the
numbers
on
the
sage
grouse,
just
real
quick
when
I
was
growing
up
there,
weren't
ravens
there
were
rare
to
see
up
here
in
park,
county
northwest
part
of
the
state
and
now
there's
each
fall.
They
gather
up
there's
about
400
and
there's
probably
40
to
60
that
are
around
here
all
the
time
and
that's
a
lot
of
ravens
and
they're
smart
bird
and
they
are
hitting
these
stage
grouse
nesting
areas
and,
I
think,
they're,
having
an
effect.
C
No
thank
you
for
the
question.
Senator
the
you're,
absolutely
right,
so
the
a
little
bit
of
of
backstory
and-
and
I
am
quite
sure
that
I'm
retreading
ground
this
committee
has
already
covered,
but
ravens
are
protected
under
the
migratory
bird
treaty
act,
which
is
why
it
is
so
difficult
to
to
have
some
of
that
more
aggressive,
particularly
lethal
management
for
some
of
these
raven
populations.
C
But
the
the
population
has
absolutely
exploded
over
the
last
four
decades
and
that's
why
efforts
both
in
congress
and
at
the
administration
have
been
targeted
on
on
some
of
those
more
problematic,
more
troublesome
mbta
protected
species
like
the
common
raven
and
like
the
black
vulture
in
the
midwest
as
well,
and
where
plc
has
placed
its
priority,
certainly
because
we
had
a
very
successful
working
relationship
with
senator
barrasso
as
epw
chairman
and
and
were
able
to
to
include
language
in
one
of
his
bills.
C
That
would
allow
for
federal
agencies
to
allow
for
fish
and
wildlife
working
with
wildlife
services
to
consider
those
depredation
events
from
historic,
depredation
events
in
a
current
year,
depredation
permit
request.
One
of
the
part
of
the
problem
for
specifically
for
livestock
is
that
if
a
rancher
sought
a
depredation
permit,
they
would
have
to
demonstrate
depredation
in
the
current
year.
C
So
you
have
to
wait
for
calving
or
lambing
season
to
begin
you
apply
for
your
depredation
permit
and
therefore
you're
going
through
calving
and
lambing
season
and
finally
have
a
permit
at
the
end
when,
when
you're
you're
through
all
of
the
the
challenges,
the
same,
I
think
is,
is
true
for
sage
grouse
as
well.
Studies
are
ongoing
about
the
the
specific
and
discrete
impact
of
raven,
depredation
and
predation
on
on
sage
grouse
nests,
as
there
is
increased
attention
on
sage
grouse,
particularly
their
their
species
status.
C
One
of
the
things
that
plc
is
doing
at
the
at
the
national
level
is
that
for
the
last
five
or
six
appropriation
cycles,
there
has
been
a
provision
in
the
interior
appropriations
bill
that
prevented
the
fish
and
wildlife
service
from
using
any
of
their
funds
to
pursue
listing
activities
for
the
greater
sage-grouse,
so
that
that
precluded
any
use
of
funds
to
to
go
through
the
evaluation
process
to
list
the
species
as
is
threatened
or
endangered.
C
C
But
it's
absolutely
critical
that
that
language
is
maintained
not
only
because
the
west
and
significant
portion
of
the
west
is
is
in
a
drought,
and
we
know
that
that
has
an
outsized
impact
on
on
single
year,
population
and
population
retention,
but
also
because,
when
we're
talking
about
the
when
we're
when
we're
talking
about
the
the
regulatory
review,
the
sage
grouse
record
of
decisions
and
those
were
the
final
step
in
adopting
the
supplemental
environmental
impact
statements
to
the
2019
plans.
C
C
That
court
case
can't
move
forward
until
those
until
the
biden,
administration,
either
releases
or
retains,
and
wants
to
to
address
and
revise
those
records
of
decision.
So
we're
still
in
a
little
bit
of
sage-grouse
limbo
here,
which
which
is
problematic,
because
if,
if
the
the
language
and
the
appropriations
bill
were
to
go
away
regardless
of
the
court
case,
the
the
fish
and
wildlife
service
could
say
we're
going
to
pursue,
or
at
least
investigate
a
listing
decision.
That's
not
what
what
any
of
us
want.
C
It's
certainly
not
advantageous
for
the
bird
and
and
so
we'll
be
working
sort
of
on
dual
tracks,
both
to
have
the
biden
administration,
release
those
rods
and
allow
the
case
to
move
forward,
but
also
to
retain
the
that
provision
that
prohibition
on
use
of
funds
and
the
appropriations
bill.
B
Okay,
any
further
questions
committee:
okay,
just
to
go
back
to
that
30
by
30
concept-
and
it's
just
I
understand.
Maybe
some
of
the
details
aren't
exactly
fleshed
out
but
seems
to
me
there's
two
general
ways
of
achieving
that
goal.
One
being
you
know,
use
existing
federal
land
which
may
affect
current
grazing
leases.
I
would
imagine-
and
then
yeah
I
think
you
mentioned
acquisition
so
just
a
little
bit
more
details
to
the
balance
between
the
two.
Do
you
see
that
affecting
current
lessees?
B
If
I
presumably
the
idea
that
you'd
have
fewer
animal
units,
if
you
want
to
sequester
more
carbon
into
the
ground
and
provide
more
of
a
carbon
sink,
if
you
will
do
you
anticipate
any
impact
on
current
leases
from
that
goal,
or
is
it
going
to
be
focused
primarily
on
just
acquiring
new
land.
C
So
I
think
the
administration
and
not
to
be
not
to
be
flippant,
chairman
boner,
but
I
I
think
that
the
administration
is
still
trying
to
figure
out
what
they
they
consider
to
be
conservation.
C
So
the
interior
department,
when
the
executive
order
was
issued
on
the
27th
that
outlined
this
30
by
30
instruction,
the
interior
department,
released
a
little
bit
of
a
fact
sheet
was
a
little
light
on
facts
and
a
little
more
on
context
and
interpretation.
C
But
one
of
the
parts
of
that
press
release
and
that
fact
sheet
was
a
statement
that
only
12
percent
of
lands
and
waters
in
the
united
states
are
are
permanently
protected,
and
that
was
from
the
united
states
geological
survey,
ranking
of
protections.
You
know
permanent
protection,
semi-permanent
protections
and
then
unprotected
but
conserved,
and
then
several
categories
there.
So
there
are
a
few
things
that
that
I'd
say
here
that
are
our
priority
and
my
my
perception.
I
would
recommend
that
they
would
be
priority
for
wyoming
as
well.
C
C
Those
permanent
protections
should,
of
course,
include
the
acreage
of
national
monuments
and
wilderness
areas
that
that's
the
first
bucket
those
those
permanent
those
areas
that
have
a
permanent
designation
where
uses
are
precluded
by
any
and
all
definition
that
the
federal
government
has
ever
used
and
those
should
be
included.
C
That
absolutely
should
should
should
count
it
shouldn't
just
be
a
federal
acquisition
or
a
federal
ownership.
There
should
be
some
flexibility
and
a
true
investigation
of
what
land
health
looks
like.
If
we're
going
to
have
an
honest
conversation
about
conservation,
then
then
we
need
to
be
as
inclusive
and
the
biden
administration
needs
to
be
as
inclusive
and
as
transparent
as
possible.
C
It's
this
third
bucket
of
of
things
that
that's
so
important
and
in
in
our
view,
conservation
should
be
all
encompassing
this
active
management,
so
things
that
improve
forest
health,
grazing
treatments
grazing
allotments
any
of
the
timber
projects,
any
of
those
things
that
improve
land
health
they
improve
land
resiliency
that
they
impr
they
improve
the
the
ecological
condition
of
those
resources.
Those
should
also
be
conserved
that
that's
I
mean
those
are.
C
Those
are
projects,
for
example,
that
a
rancher
can
do
with
the
rocky
mountain
elk
foundation
or
the
the
mule
deer
foundation.
Any
you
know
any
of
your,
your
willow
treatments
or
your
juniper
removal
treatments.
Anything
that
you
do
to
address.
Sage-Grouse,
habitat
and
cheatgrass
infestations
certainly
want
to
keep
venonata
out
of
everywhere,
and
so
I
think
there
needs
to
be
a
creative
interpretation
and
there
needs
to
be
an
inclusive
interpretation
because
it
can't
just
be
federal
lands.
C
The
the
great
american
outdoors
act
provides
funds
for
the
land
and
water
conservation
fund
to
be
made
mandatory,
so
it
really
gives
the
federal
government
and
federal
agencies
a
bit
more
free
reign
in
how
they
would
like
to
spend
that
money.
Of
course,
lwcf
acquisitions
in
wyoming
have
been
things
like
the
forest
legacy
funds
and
the
forest
legacy
project
in
the
grand
canyon
of
the
black
hills.
It's
also
done
things
like
provide
for
the
acquisition
of
antelope
flats
in
grand
teton
national
park.
C
It's
it's
provided
for
some
some
rodeo
grounds,
I
think
in
sheridan
or
buffalo.
I
was
a
little
young
when
those
when
those
grounds
were
constructed,
but
but
has
done
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
good
work
on
the
ground.
The
problem
becomes
when
you
take
congressional
approval
and
oversight
out
of
that
process,
constituencies
like
those
in
wyoming
become
become
concerned.
C
The
priority
here
needs
to
needs
to
be
from
the
public
lands
council
perspective,
that
constituents
on
the
ground
continue
and
are
very
engaged
continue
to
guide
the
acquisition
priorities
of
the
federal
agencies
if,
if
lwcf
is
going
to
be
used
as
a
tool
to
get
to
that
30
by
30
goal
that
those
acquisitions
should
be
directed
by
the
the
people
on
the
ground
by
the
communities
on
the
ground
and
by
the
elected
officials
who
are
charged
with
representing
those
people
in
those
landscapes.
C
This
cannot
be
a
federal
government
landed
agency
trip
to
walmart
for
for
conservation.
This.
This
must
be,
you
know,
at
least
at
least.
We
would
urge
any
administration
who
is
going
to
take
on
an
ambitious
goal
like
this
to
be
very
thoughtful
about
the
way
that
they
do
it,
because
that's
a
lot
of
acres
and
that's
a
lot
of
math
to
do,
and
that's
a
lot
of
landscape
that
if
the
approach
is
not
thoughtful,
the
administration
will
continue
to
have
significant
management
challenges
ahead.
C
It
can't
be
designation
and
acquisition
it
it
just
can't,
and
and
therefore,
when
we're
looking
at
carbon
sequestration,
our
our
push
is
and
our
priority
is
to
make
sure
that
aums
aren't
decreased.
If
in
in
anything
vacant,
allotments
should
be
addressed
and
reopened
to
increase
carbon
sequestration
through
use
of
fuels,
management
to
prevent
catastrophic
wildfire.
C
We
should
have
more
thoughtful
and
more
coordinated
fuels,
treatments
and
prescribed
grazing
in
areas
that
either
are
are
too
dense
or
too
dangerous
to
have
prescribed
fire
or
other
tools
may
not
be
appropriate.
So
I
I'll
stop
there
chairman,
but
I
ask
you:
I
thank
you
for
the
question,
but
I
think
it
has
to
be
a
bit
more
complex
and
certainly
in
our
conversations
with
the
administration
emphasizing
to
them
that
they
need
to
get
a
handle
on
this,
but
they
have
to
get
a
handle
on
it
by
consulting
the
experts
on
the
ground.
B
B
Okay,
seeing
none
appreciate
the
work
that
you
do
on
behalf
of
wyoming
ranchers
in
dc
caitlin
keep
up
the
good
work
and
best
of
luck,
we're
all
counting
on
you.
No
pressure.
C
B
Okay
sounds
good.
Thank
you.
Any
further
public
comment
looks
like
we
have
a
few
attendees
hanging
out
in
the
weight
room
feel
free
to
raise
your
hand.
If
you
want
to
say
anything.
B
Administration,
okay
looks
good.
I
see
no
additional
public
comment
so
with
that
we'll
go
ahead
and
adjourn.
I
look
forward
to
seeing
everybody
down
here
cheyenne,
if
that's
your
choice
next
monday,
if
not
I'll,
see
you
over
zoom
and
looking
forward
to
getting
going
in
earnest
here.
So
thanks
for
your
attendance
thanks
for
your
participation
and
we'll
see
you
around.