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A
We've
changed
our
rules
to
allow
house
members
to
participate
virtually,
but
this
is
the
last
meeting
we'll
be
allowing
any
virtual
testimony.
Just
due
to
a
number
of
issues.
For
many
years
we
had
only
in-person
testimony
and
I
think
it's
best
if
we
go
back
that
and
again
be
consistent
with
all
the
house.
Committees
are
going
to
that.
So
I
want
to
make
that
announcement.
Those
people
who
are
going
to
tur
testify
virtually
they're
still
welcome.
A
Today
we
will
allow
some
virtual
testimony
in
extreme
circumstances,
but
that
has
to
be
cleared
with
the
chairman
at
least
several
days
before
the
committee
meets,
and
it
has
to
be
for
a
good
reason
and
specifically
for
agencies
watching
agencies
will
be
required
to
be
here
in
person.
So
with
that,
let's
get
started
diana.
Would
you
please
take
roll.
A
Here:
okay,
first
bill
for
our
consideration
will
be
house
bill.
44.,
representative
newsom,
please
explain
your
bill.
Thank.
C
You
thank
you,
chairman
burkhardt.
This
is
a
bill
to
clean
up
some
vehicle,
titling
issues
that
got
left
behind
on
mobile
homes
several
years
ago,
when
we
changed
the
statute
that
allowed
for
the
conjunctive
and
and
or
ownership
status
mobile
homes
are
defined
under
under
the
motor
vehicle
statutes
and
require
title
for
transfer
of
ownership
or
to
be
moved
from
one
property
to
another.
C
There
are
also
a
couple
places
that
were
left
behind
in
the
previous
bill
that
require
the
county
treasurer
to
provide
a
sales
tax
receipt
to
be
supplied
to
the
applicant
when
paying
tax
on
new
vehicle
purchase.
In
section
three
on
the
last
two
pages
of
this
cleanup
bill
is
the
application
for
duplicate
title
process.
C
Presently,
everyone
on
the
face
of
a
title
must
sign
the
duplicate
application,
which
you
can
imagine
in
some
cases,
is
a
hassle
for
those
owners
that
work
out
of
town
or
in
another
place.
This
change
would
allow
any
owner
who
appears
on
the
face
of
the
title,
to
make
application
for
a
duplicate.
This
makes
the
process
of
getting
a
duplicate
title
easier
on
the
owners,
our
clerks
and
our
treasurers
and
I've.
I
phoned
a
friend
and
he
came
with
me.
C
This
is
our
deputy
clerk
from
park
county
hands,
odie
and
I
may
just
have
him
walk
you
through
the
bill,
since
he
knows
the
nuances
of
all
of
the
changes.
A
D
It's
if
you
would
just
unidentify
yourself
for
the
record,
please
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
My
name
is:
excuse
me
hans
odie
and
I
am
the
deputy
park
county
clerk
in
in
cody
and
yeah.
So
this
is
a
bill
that
we
asked
representative
newsom
to
sponsor,
and
this
is
in
full
support
from
the
county,
clerk's
association
of
wyoming.
It
does
come
from
from
our
experiences
of
of
working
with
titles,
of
course,
and
every
day
in
the
in
our
offices
on
page
two
lines:
16
and
17.
D
Mr
chairman,
this
is
just
again
conforming
language
and
actually
asking
you
folks
to
request
that
the
county
treasurers
provide
a
sales
tax
exempt
receipt.
They're
they're
required
to
provide
a
sales
tax
receipt,
but
this
tax
exempt
receipt
would
then
allow
county
clerks
to
go
ahead
and
release
a
title
after
we've
been
after
we've
made
it.
Should
there
be
no
sales
tax
on
it
on
a
certain
sale,
and
I
can
think
of
like
orvs
motorcycles.
D
Things
like
that,
where
sales
tax
is
collected
at
the
dealership,
so
that
would
be
they
would
go,
get
a
title
in
our
office
or
actually
we'd
have
we
would
make
a
title:
they
would
go
to
the
treasurer's
office
pay
for
their
plates
and
then
they
would
bring
us
back
a
sales
tax
exempt
receipt
and
then,
at
that
time
we
could
release
the
title
so
exempt
receipt
and
a
sales
tax
receipt.
We
have
to
have
both
for
to
release
the
title
to
the
the
new
owner
on
page
page,
four
lines:
13
through
15.
D
This
is
conforming
language
that
got
left
behind
in
from
legislation
that
was
passed
two
years
ago.
We
came
to
you
folks
for
the
purpose
of
requesting
that
we
could
have
any
owner
sign
off
on
a
title
as
long
as
it
was
not
held
in
the
conjunctive
and
or
joint
tenants.
D
You
passed
that
when
we
passed
that
we
left
behind
motor
mobile
homes,
excuse
me
so
again,
it's
just
conforming
language
to
what's
already
in
motor
vehicle
statute,
page
five
at
the
bottom,
the
new
section
d
same
thing
with
romanettes.
I
I
I
I
I
on
page
six
again
conforming
language
to
motor
vehicle
statute
and
in
duplicate
titles.
This
is
also
conforming
for
the
purpose
of
applying
for
a
duplicate
title
owner
means
any
one
person
listed
on
the
owner
ownership
face
of
the
title.
D
So
when
a
person
comes
in
and
requests
it
or
applies
for
a
duplicate
title,
there
may
be
two
owners.
There
might
be
three
or
four
owners
on
a
title
right,
but
they
need
to
get
a
duplicate.
Title
they've
lost
their
title,
it's
been
lost
by
the
bank,
it's
been
lost
in
their
safe,
who
knows
where
it
might
be,
but
it
happens
on
a
daily
basis
in
our
offices
across
the
state.
D
What
this
allows
them
to
do
is
even
if
there's
more
than
one
owner,
then
they
have
to,
or
it
allows
one
of
those
people
to
that.
It's
on
the
face
of
that
title
to
go
ahead
and
apply
for
a
duplicate
title.
There
still
is
ownership
by
the
other
three
people
or
two
people,
or
one
person
or
whatever
it
may
be,
and
they
still
have
to
sign
off
on
the
title
when
they
sell.
D
So
there
shouldn't
be
any
issue
there
again,
that's
still
that's
just
conforming
as
well,
and
then
representative
newsome
brought
up
a
question
about
the
word
any
being
inserted
into
on
page
line
on
page
five
line.
Four
it
says,
except
for
as
provided
by
wyoming
statute,
312
502
any
owner
any
replacing
every
owner
of
a
mobile
home
located
in
this
state
for
which
no
titles
had
been
made
or
issued.
D
So
what
has
happened
back
20
or
30
40
years
ago,
mobile
homes
weren't
required
to
be
titled,
okay
and
now
they're
required
to
be
titled
to
be
moved.
So
these
older
mobile
homes
that
have
been
sitting
on
a
lot
for
30
40
years,
they
may
not
have
had
a
title.
They
and
owners
may
have
changed
three
or
four
or
five
times
who
knows,
depending
on
you
know
whether
whether
it
just
sits
in
a
mobile
home
lot
or
park
and
never
gets
moved.
D
You
know
people
people
don't
realize
that
motor
mobile
homes
have
titles
and
they
need
to
be
part
of
the
transfer
of
ownership,
and
so
what
this
does
is
it
just
says
that
now
any
owner
of
a
mobile
home
located
in
the
state,
meaning
any
one
of
us
who
is
the
new
owner,
would
go
to
the
county
clerk
go
through
the
process
of
obtaining
a
a
duplicate
title
so
that
they
could
then
transfer
the
title
and
the
mobile
home
could
be
moved
off
that
lot.
So
with
that,
mr
chairman,
I
would
stand
for
questions
or
said.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
hans
for
your
good
work.
Thank
you,
mister.
This
is
other
things
that
we
know
about
so
on
this
page
five,
where
you
want
to
put
any
up
here
on
line
4.,
I
notice
you
know
in
the
other
two
areas
where
the
transfer
language
is
applied,
there's
some
clarifying
language
when
there's
more
than
one
owner,
you
understand
what
I'm
saying.
D
No,
mr
chairman,
representative
henderson,
I
I'm
not
understanding
the
question.
I
apologize
okay,
so
so,
when
you
have
a
a
conjunctive.
E
D
Mr
rody,
mr
chairman,
thank
you,
representative
henderson.
What
this
allows
them
to
do,
then,
is
that
any
owners,
so
you
and
I
own
a
mobile
home
together
and
you're
out
of
the
state
working
in
wherever
whatever
then
I
can
then
go
in
on
behalf
of
the
two
of
us
and
get
a
new
title
so
that
that
title
can
then
be
transferred
as
we've
sold
it
to
another
party
follow-up.
E
E
D
Mr
chairman,
they
the
duplicate
title,
is
applied
for
and
then,
if
the
title
is
held
in
a
conjunctive,
then
both
both
owners
would
still
have
to
sign
off.
On
that.
F
Representative
mcguire,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
just
a
question
knowing
what
an
ordeal
it
can
be.
Sometimes,
when
you
have
an
older
trailer
and
you
need
to
get
a
bin
inspection,
I'm
just
wondering
if
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
address
vin
inspections
in
here,
because
now
you're
going
to
have
a
trailer,
that's
immovable
and
the
question
is
going
to
be
where's.
The
vin
don't
even
know
who's
going
to
take
a
look
at
it.
D
Odi,
mr
chairman,
thank
you,
representative
mcguire.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
It's
very
good
one
presently
whenever
and
I
can
speak
for
our
office
in
park
county
that
whenever
we
have
an
issue
like
this,
we
require
event
inspection
to
be
done
already
as
part
of
our
policy,
and
I
would
think
that
you
would
see
that
pretty
pretty
consistently
across
the
state
that
there's
already
event,
inspection,
that's
been
required
and
they,
the
law
enforcement,
then
obviously
runs
that
through
ncic
in
their
and
their
dispatch.
So
I
don't
I.
D
I
don't
think
that
we
would
have
an
issue.
I
would
you
know,
reach
out
to
clerks
and
and
confirm
that,
but
I
don't
believe
that
there
would
be
an
issue
with
adding
that
into
statute.
If
you
were,
if
you
were
so
desired,
but.
F
Well,
thank
you.
So
I
guess
my
question
would
be:
can
is
there
some
kind
of
a
mechanism
where
people
could
do
their
own
vent
inspection
or
something
like
that
because
again,
I'm
just
thinking
about
in
my
county
law
enforcement,
extraordinarily
busy.
You
want
to
come
out
to
some.
You
know
place
where
there's
this
home.
That
could
be
a
long
ways
away
from
you
know.
How
do
you
get
that
done?
So
that
would
be
my
question
to
you.
Thank
you.
D
Mr
rody
chairman
burkhardt,
thank
you,
representative,
mcguire,
the
there
are
only,
I
think,
two
or
three
entities
or
yeah
entities
that
can
do
event.
Inspections
in
wyoming
law
enforcement,
being
one
game
and
fish
can
do
inspections
on
on
watercraft,
and
then
dealers
can
do
them
when
they
have
sold
their
vehicle
off
their
lot.
D
I
can't
think
of
any
other
instance
where
it
would
be
anybody
other
than
those
three
entities
that
could
legally
do
event,
inspection.
So
right
now,
no
there's!
No,
no
others,
and
I
think,
if
you
were
to
do
the
research
across
the
country,
there
are
several
several
states
that
don't
require
event
inspections,
there's
others
that
allow
dealers
and
then
others
that
allow
a
oh
gosh.
D
A
Okay,
all
right.
Thank
you,
mr
odin
representative.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
coming
all
the
way
down
here
from
cody
appreciate
your
dedication
to
those
things
you
want
to
see
in
the
statute.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chairman
burkhart,
okay,
we'll
follow
the
protocol
here,
I'm
expecting
anybody
from
the
governor's
office,
any
other
legislators.
A
Okay
with
that,
anyone
else
wish
to
speak
on
the
bill.
Any
other
public
comment.
Anyone
online,
amanda,
okay,
then
I'll
close
public
comment
and
just
one
privilege.
First,
representative
mcguire.
I
I
keep
forgetting
to
look
at
the
screen.
So
if
you
want
to
speak
or
ask
a
question
just
interrupt,
please
so:
okay
committee,
okay,
moved
by
bert
seconded
by
diver,
I
think,
representative
bert,
did
you
move
the
bill
or
you
wanted
a
question?
I.
A
Oh
okay,
it's
been,
it
was
a
short
night,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
for
those
of
you
who
hung
with
us,
it
was
a
very
short
night
and
it's
getting
shorter
by
the
minute.
I
think
so
I
apologize
for
that.
Thank
you
for
the
correction,
okay,
so
the
so
that
was
moved
by
o'hearn
and
seconded
by
stiver.
Okay,
thank
you
committee.
A
Thank
you
representative.
I
think
that
probably
is
best
as
a
an
interim
topic.
I
I
know
of
one
where
the
entire
house
was
built
over
a
mobile
home
and
then
the
mobile
home
was
disassembled
inside
and
hauled
out
the
front
door.
So
how
do
you
do
that?
I
I
that
was
just
interesting
to
me.
So,
mr
chairman
representative,
o'hare.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
We
demolish
in
a
lot
of
move
a
lot
of
buildings
out
of
the
city
I
live
in
and
most
of
the
requirements
are.
You
will
not
set
a
new
mobile
home
if
it's
less
than
25
years
old.
So
a
lot
of
those
things.
If
you
you
don't
need
a
vin
to
move
and
demolish
a
mobile
home
and
most
of
the
new
ones
have
the
vans
already
established
in
the
mobile
home
manufacturers
from
hud
on
the
on
the
house.
A
A
A
I
Mr
chairman,
we're
we're
a
fierce
bunch
up
there,
you
guys
kind
of
scary
from
down
here.
So,
mr
chairman,
I
bring
before
you
house
bill
64
vehicle
service
contracts.
I
did
bring
this
bill
last
year.
However,
we
ran
out
of
time
and
it
did
not
make
it
through
the
finish
line,
so
I'm
bringing
it
back
again
this
year.
This
is
really
a
consumer
protection
bill
and
just
trying
to
update
some
statutes
to
make
everything.
I
Align
contracts
are
valuable
enhancement
to
consumers
when
purchasing
vehicles,
especially
in
these
times,
with
cost
skyrocketing
components
not
being
covered
by
typical
warranties.
It
is
time
to
update
wyoming
statutes
to
be
in
line
with
how
these
products
are
treated
in
other
states.
This
bill
also
provides
for
consumer
protection,
in
that
it
requires
all
providers
to
abide
by
our
service
contract
statutes.
I
This
bill
will
amend
the
existing
statutory
definition
of
service
contracts
to
expressly
authorize
the
replacement
of
motor
vehicle
keys
and
key
fobs
if
it
becomes
inoperable,
is
lost
or
stolen,
as
well
as
coverage
for
excess,
wear
and
tear
and
use
of
a
leased
vehicle
or
for
the
replacement
of
windshield
damages
by
road
hazards.
The
legislation
also
clarifies
that
theft,
protection
programs
and
their
accompanying
warranties
shall
not
be
considered
insurance.
This
bill
further
defines
the
term
road
hazard
and
incidental
payment
for
clarity.
I
Mr
chairman,
turning
to
the
bill,
this
bill
modifies
statutes
in
title
26,
our
insurance
code,
starting
on
page
two
of
the
bill
line.
Five,
we
add
a
new
subsection
roman
at
eight,
excluding
theft,
protection,
warranties
from
the
insurance
code
and
making
them
subject
to
chapter
49
title
of
the
title
service
contracts.
I
Moving
to
page
3,
we
go
on
to
theft,
protection
in
the
long
list
of
what
service
contract
means
and
at
line
22.
We
clean
up
the
language
to
better
refine
the
practices
with
these
contracts
on
page
4
lines
12
through
on
page
4
lines
12
through
page
5
line,
4
refines
the
language
associated
with
excess,
wear
and
tear
for
leased
vehicles,
a
new
provision
followed
by
new
definition
of
incidental
theft,
protection
program
payment.
I
Mr
chairman,
inside
your
packet,
you
do
have
a
proposed
amendment
to
add
some
clarifying
language
on
line
10..
This
was
brought
to
us
after
the
draft
was
released
to
the
insurance
commissioner,
the
insurance
commissioner
just
had
some
clarifying
language
and
that's
what
this
particular
amendment
does
is
just
kind
of
appeases.
Some
of
the
language
that
we
have
from
utah
page
six
is
a
definition
of
road
hazard
that
were
removed
from
the
language.
On
page
three
and
mr
chairman,
I
do
have
a
proposed
amendment
that
you
have
with
this.
I
What
it
does
bring
in
is
the
definitions
and
the
provisions
from
utah
that
align
and
provide
additional
clarity
to
the
definitions
and
practices
of
the
industry.
Mr
chairman,
that's
the
nutshell
of
this
bill.
This
truly
is
just
updating
our
current
code
and
our
current
statute
to
more
directly
align
with
the
way
that
these
products
are
handled
in
other
states
and
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
F
My
question
is
for
the
consumer
and
not
to
cast
aspersions,
but
obviously
this
is
a
source
of
a
lot
of
unhappiness
when
there
are
misunderstandings,
let's
say
with
these
types
of
products
at
that
point:
who
does
the
consumer
turn
to
for
help
or
protection
in
that
matter?
So
thank
you,
representative.
I
Brown,
mr
chairman
representative,
mcguire,
that's
a
great
question
and
my
assumption
is
that
that
would
end
up
going
back
to
the
secretary
of
state
and
or
through
the
attorney
general's
office
for
any
type
of
issues
associated
with
that
the
insurance
commissioners
in
the
room,
as
well
as
industry
leaders
that
have
had
this
issue
with
other
states.
And
just
if
I,
if
I
miss
miss
speaking
with
that,
I'm
sure
they'll
be
able
to
correct
me.
But
that's
my
assumption.
A
I
Quick,
but
that's
where
I
would
rather
consider
it.
Certainly,
mr
chairman,
the
the
amendment
is
fairly
benign
to
to
what
the
intent
of
the
bill
is.
If
you
do
look
at
it,
I
I
think
it's
fairly
self-clarifying
that
it's
adding
a
good
chunk
of
definitions
to
our
statute,
to
our
code,
to
make
sure
that
we
have
an
understanding
of
what
is
covered,
what
is
not
covered
and
that's
specifically
laid
out
in
statute
as
opposed
to
being
up
for
debate
through
rule
regulation
or
anything
along
those
lines.
Mr
chairman,.
A
A
Page
four
and
you
have
c
and
e
and
f
just
so
I'm
clear
is
in
c
I'm
on
line,
seven
page
four
repair
of
small
windshield
chips
or
cracks
in
her
or
the
replacement
of
the
entire
windshield.
As
a
reason
is
that
include
as
a
result
of
road
hazards
is
that
included
or
excluded
from
those
things
that
would
be
in
a
vehicle
protection
plan?.
I
A
I
A
A
I
know
they
just
flocked
to
this
committee.
Any
agencies.
J
Mr
chairman,
hello,
my
name
is
jeff
rood
committee
members,
I'm
the
insurance.
Commissioner.
We
were
approached
with
this
bill
by
mr
pickard
and
basically
trying
to
update
the
service
contracts
and
what
they
included.
Our
department
registers
all
of
these
service
contract
providers.
They
actually
make
an
application
with
our
office
and
we
review
them
and
there's
a
fee
and
we
make
sure
there's
some
financial
responsibility
there
and
then
we
issue
in
essence
register
them.
J
The
industry
wanted
to
include
in
these
service
contracts,
like
you
heard,
key
fobs,
theft,
protection,
road
hazard
and
excess
wear,
and
these
are
some
of
the
things
we've
seen
in
other
states.
We
did
work
on
the
amendment.
As
representative
brown
mentioned,
we
thought
some
of
the
utah
languages.
Actually,
when
you
read
it,
it
was
fairly
clear.
It
helped
it
just
make
it
easier
to
understand
when
you
read
what
was
covered
and
what
it
could
include.
J
We're
neutral
on
the
bill,
like
most
agencies
are
on
these
things,
but
obviously
we
have
no
major
concerns
with
the
amendments.
I'd
be
remiss
as
a
commissioner
if
I
didn't
say
that
we
didn't
get
a
chance
to
to
put
together
a
fiscal
note.
We
will
say
this
will
increase
some
work
there's
over
200
of
these
companies.
J
They
will
still
be
registered
with
us,
but
as
soon
as
they
put
this
these
new
provisions
in
those
service
contracts,
they
come
back
to
our
office
and
we
review
them
to
make
sure
they're
in
compliance
with
with
all
the
requirements
in
in
the
statute
to
loop
back
to
representative
mcguire's
question:
if
there's
a
complaint
by
a
consumer,
it
will
come
to
our
office,
we'll
look
at
it
of
the
you
know,
there's
212
of
these
companies.
There
are
some
known
bad
actors
and
we
do
get
calls
we
do
so.
J
F
Representative
mcguire,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
I'm
just
reading
as
quickly
as
I
can
26
1
104
is
a
long
provision,
but
with
regard
to
removing
theft,
protection
programs
is
that
was
that
something
that
was
discussed
or
tell
me
about
that.
And
now
I'm
looking
at
page
two
of
the
bill.
J
Lines
three
through
eight,
mr
chairman,
representative
mcguire,
commissioner
insurance
still
covers
theft.
That's
in
your
contract
with
your
insurance
company.
This
is
a
theft
protection
program.
In
addition
to
that,
this
allows
those
to
the
programs
to
then
fall
under
be
considered
a
service
contract
separate
and
depart
from
insurance.
That
answers
your
question
follow-up.
A
H
You,
mr
chairman,
yeah
commissioner,
you
mentioned
something
about
the
amendment
you
haven't
done
the
physical
you
do
know
about
the
amendment
and
you
were
fully
aware
of
all
this
amendment
correct.
She
just
didn't.
Do
a
fiscal
note
on
it.
Mr.
J
Chairman
representative
correct:
we
when,
when
the
bill
was
first
drafted,
we
weren't
sent,
we
weren't,
sent
the
fiscal
note.
The
amendment
wouldn't
impact
that
one
way
or
the
other
we
just
wanted
clarifying
language.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
representative
brown,
mr
chairman,
that
is
absolutely
in
no
way
shape
or
form
the
insurance
commission's
fault
or
commissioner's
fault
that
just
relies
on
me
and
my
delay
on
putting
this
through.
So
as
it
got
too
close
to
session,
I
put
it
through
and
they
didn't.
Lso
did
not
submit
enough
time
for
the
commissioner
to
put
together
fiscal
note.
Okay,
all
right.
K
J
Commissioner,
mr
chairman
representative
baker,
I'd
I'd
be
happy
to
do
one.
What,
if
I
will
tell
you
what
it
will
say
is
we're
not
gonna
ask
for
more
people,
we're
not
gonna
ask
for
more
money,
but
I
would
say
that
we're
gonna
have
one
person
in
our
office
who
specializes
in
this
and
she
quite
possibly
would
now
be
required
to
review
a
thousand
to
two
thousand
new
service
contracts
to
ensure
that
it
complies
with
language
which
will
slow
the
process
down.
J
J
Mr
chairman,
our
burpees
and
mcguire,
it
is
where
you
contract
with
one
of
these
service
contract
providers
or
specific.
You
would
have
your
own
contract,
it
would
reference
the
theft
protection,
it
might
be.
The
device
in
your
vehicle
make
sure
it
wasn't
defective.
J
J
I
A
Other
questions
for
the
commissioner,
hey,
commissioner,
then
I
have
one
you
said
you
have
212
companies
and
probably
the
potential
for
several
thousand
of
these
applications
with
an
effective
date
of
july
1
of
2022.
Is
that
adequate
time
for
you.
J
Mr
chairman,
I
I
think
I
don't
I
don't.
I
don't
anticipate
all
212
incorporating
this
all
at
the
same
time,
I
think
they'll,
I
think
it'll
be
in
the
net
in
the
next
quarter.
I
think
we'll
see
a
rush
of
these
we'll
get
to
them.
It
just
might
take
a
little
bit
longer
than
we
normally
would
and
they
may
not
get
approval
for
these
particular
contracts,
as
they
normally
would
as
quickly
as
they
normally
would.
Okay,
I
think
once
the
year
goes
on,
there'll
be
fewer
and
fewer
okay.
A
Okay-
okay
with
that,
thank
you,
commissioner.
Just
hang
with
us.
We
may
have
other
questions
so
if
you
would
so
any
other
state
agencies-
okay,
I
guess
with
that.
Then
it's
full
on
public
comment.
I
know
all
of
you
are
just
waiting
excitedly
to
do
this
yeah
anyone
else.
I'm
just
going
to
ask!
I
know
we
have
someone
online
to
speak
to
this.
Anyone
in
the
audience
wish
to
speak
this.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
member
picker.
Thank
you.
My
name
is
dave
pickard.
I
represent
the
motor
vehicle
protection
products
association.
I
appreciate
representative
brown
bringing
this
bill
before
the
committee
and
appreciate
this
opportunity
to
talk
through
it.
Representative
brown
did
a
fantastic
job
of
of
laying
out
the
need
for
the
bill
and
for
some
more
specifics
on
precisely
the
questions
that
have
come
up.
I'm
going
to
turn
to
lance
lozano
with
the
association
himself.
If
I
can
on
on
the
zoom.
M
I
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
My
name
is
lance
lozano
and
I
am
representing
the
motor
vehicle
protection
products
association.
I
apologize.
I
can't
be
with
you
in
person
today.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
the
virtual
options
to
testify
the
motor
vehicle
protection
products,
association,
supports
house
decision
for
relating
motor
vehicles,
service
contracts
and
debt
protection
warranties.
These
green
products
are
sold
primarily
by
auto
dealers
to
provide
financial
protection
against
damage
to
or
theft
of
motor
vehicles.
M
By
way
of
background,
the
mvpa
is
a
national
trade
association
with
member
companies,
including
providers,
retailers,
administrators
and
insurers
of
protection
products.
Their
goals
is
to
establish
a
uniform,
balanced
regulatory
landscape
that
minimizes
confusion
or
dispute
about
the
regulatory
status
of
this
product.
M
M
This
will
bring
white
statutes
in
line
with
how
most
of
these
products
are
treated
in
a
majority
of
other
states.
Most
of
the
products
that
I
have
described
that
are
considered
in
this
bill
are
pretty
self-explanatory.
I'll
just
go
into
a
little
more
in-depth
definition
of
access,
wear
and
use,
or
like
we
like
to
call
it
that's
a
product
that
you
can
buy
on
a
leash
vehicle.
M
Usually,
when
you
buy
these
vehicles,
you
have
the
ability
to
or
you're
you're.
You
are
restrained
by
the
amount
of
miles
that
you
can
put
on
that
car.
Before
you
return
the
vehicle,
you
can
also
be
responsible
for
dings
tears,
rips
stains
other
types
of
small
items
that
might
go
wrong
to
a
car
before
you
return
it.
If
those
those
items
are
not
prepared
at
your
expense,
you
can
be
charged
fee
by
the
automobile
dealership
where
you
leaves
the
vehicle
and
returning
the
vehicle.
M
This
product
can
provide
protection
for
you,
so
you
would
be
exempt
from
having
to
pay
for
the
cost
of
those
damages
or
reimburse
the
thoughts
of
those
damages
that
may
have
occurred
or
excess
violence
you'd
make.
You
may
have
pawn
over
that
the
contract
allowed
to
be
covered
on
a
loose
vehicle.
I'll
answer,
one
other
one.
Other
questions
was
thrown
out
there
about
the
about
the
effective
date.
I
think
our
members
would
be
okay
with
the
ability
to
push
back
the
affected
data.
M
That's
something
the
community
should
find
necessary
in
doing,
and
also,
as
the
commissioner
also
explained,
you
know,
they're
going
to
take
some
time
having
to
review
these
files
and
the
forms
that
are
going
to
be
submitted
to
the
department.
If
this
bill
becomes
law,
the
individuals
that
will
be
left
waiting
for
those
forms
would
be
our
members.
M
M
I'd
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
thank
our
sponsor
this
legislation,
as
well
as
the
commissioner
of
insurance
here
in
wyoming,
and
we
do
his
willingness
to
work
with
us
on
some
of
the
language.
As
mentioned,
we
brought
in
a
a
provision
from
utah
law
that
they
thought
was
a
better
option
than
what
we
have
proposed.
So
we
wanted
to
thank
their
office
and
the
commissioner
for
working
with
a
summer
proposal.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
appreciate
your
time
and
again
we
support
them.
L
Mr
pickard,
you
have
something
further.
Yes,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee,
if
I
might
just
add
just
to
put
this
in
context,
the
key
fob
legislation
that
is
in
front
of
you
is
operating
in
43
states
plus
dc
and
in
puerto
rico.
L
The
theft
protection
language
is
in
over
20
states
currently
and
as
representative
brown
discussed
a
little
bit
of
a
change
from
last
year's
legislation
that
did
not
move
the
s.
Excess
ware
and
use
provisions
is
in
operation
in
seven
states
and
counting.
You
know
we're
kind
of
at
the
front
end
of
the
2020
legislative
session
throughout
the
rest
of
the
state,
so
it
is
moving
forward
as
well.
L
So
I
I
thought
that
would
just
be
helpful
for
you
to
know
that
we're
we're
not
leading
the
way
we're
just
updating
this
in
a
lot
of
respects
to
what's
going
on
in
the
marketplace.
With
that
I'll
stand
for
any
additional
questions.
Mr
chairman,
thank
you,
mr
pickard.
Any
additional
questions.
A
Okay,
all
right!
Thank
you.
Thank
you
and
I'll.
Ask
one
last
time
if
there's
any
more
testimony
from
anyone
on
this
with
that'll
close
public
testimony
committee,
okay,
moved
by
o'haran
seconded
by
stiver,
okay
work
the
bill
in
there.
There
is
a
proposed
amendment
and
we'll
just
hold
that
until
we
get
to
it.
A
I
Mr
chairman,
it's
stayed
well.
First,
do
you
want
to
move
yep?
Mr
chairman,
I
would
move
the
proposed
amendment.
That's
attached
here
for
everybody.
As
previously
stated,
this
is
hold.
N
I
Oh
yeah
yeah.
We
need
okay
seconded
by
henderson.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
mr
chairman,
as
previously
mentioned,
this
is
just
the
updated
language
that
the
insurance
commissioner's
office
brought
forward
as,
as
recommended
changes
to
the
language
of
the
bill,
to
ensure
that
we
have
everything
lined
out
and
there
is
no
confusion
listed
within
the
within
the
statute.
We
come
down
into
here
with
the
theft
protection
program
and
explain
exactly
what
that
is
and
to
provide
a
little
bit
more
clarity
of
exactly
what
that
is
again.
I
This
just
goes
into
meaning
I'll
just
read:
it
means
a
written
agreement
by
a
warranter
that
provides
that
if
a
theft
protection
program
fails
to
prevent
the
loss
or
the
damage
of
the
vehicle,
the
warranty
will
pay
on
behalf
of
the
warranty
holder,
specified
incidental
theft,
protection
program
payments
as
a
result
of
the
failure
of
the
theft
protection
program
to
perform
pursuant
to
the
terms
of
the
theft
protection
program,
warranty
so,
ultimately,
just
basically
staying
at
it.
It's
not
necessarily
the
insurance
side
of
things.
I
It's
a
it's
a
program
that
you're
locking
into
so
that's
the
amendment.
In
a
nutshell,
mr
chairman,
and
if
there's
any
questions
on
that
question,
any
discussion
on
the.
F
F
I
F
Well,
I
do
because,
if
this
is,
if
it's
specifically
not
an
insurance
product,
then
I'm
I'm
missing
something
out.
There's
a
connection
here,
that's
missing!
We
do
have
the
commissioner
here.
If
you
don't
mind,
maybe
commissioner.
J
Mr
chairman,
please
approve
the
insurance
commissioner
representative,
mcguire
you're
right,
it's
not
defined
as
insurance,
we
still
have
authority
over
the
product
and
we
actually
oversee
many
things
that
are
excluded
from
insurance.
J
We
will
register
this
company
if
there
was
a
number
of
complaints
against
this
company.
We
have
the
authority
to
investigate.
We
have
the
authority
to
to
pull
their
registration
and
then
there's
a
whole
administrative
hearing
process,
but
we
help
the
consumers.
J
It's
not
technically
insurance,
but
it
still
follows
on
under
our
department
for
the
authority
over
the
entity
that
we
registered.
A
Okay,
so
we're
on
the
amendment
any
other
discussion,
questions,
question
question
being
called
all
in
favor
of
the
amendment
one
and
I'll
just
want
to
be
clear
diana
you
have
a
copy
of
this.
Please
correct.
Thank
you.
Okay,
say
aye
aye
amendment
is
adopted.
We're
back
on
the
bill.
Any
further
discussion
on
the
bill,
discussion,
question
being
called
diana.
Would
you
please
take
roll.
B
A
And
representative
brown,
I
assume
you'll,
be
for
managing
the
bill
and
the
amendment.
Okay,
thank
you.
So
I'm
thinking
here
we
had
next
up
senate
file
35
and
I
take
it,
commissioner,
thank
you
very
much
and
I
I'm
foreseeing
a
lot
of
testimony
on
this.
A
I
just
want
to
ask
a
question
because
we
have
the
military
department
here.
A
A
I
just
want
to
get
it
off
the
the
list
I
apologize
and
then
we
will
take
up
35
because
I
think
there's
going
to
be
a
fair
amount
of
discussion
on
35.
If
we
do
not
finish
that
today,
we'll
carry
it
over
until
next
tuesday.
It
is
a
senate
file
and
we
can
do
that
so
general,
mr
smith,
major
maury.
If
you
all
want
to
come
down
fine,
if
not
whoever
gets
in
the
hot
seat,.
L
L
If
just
to
to
remind
the
the
committee,
this
was
an
interim
topic
sort
of
late
in
the
process
and
what
it.
What
we
were
trying
to
attempting
to
do
here
was
to
to
codify
the
report
that
was
voluntarily
provided
to
the
the
committee
on
sexual
assault
and
sexual
harassment,
and
just
make
sure
that
that
is
it
is.
You
know
that
sustains
itself
following
my
services
as
the
adjutant
general,
and
it's
something
the
military
department
continues
to
drive
on.
This
was
just
an
opportunity
that
this
build.
L
This
report
is
intended
to
go
to
the
commander-in-chief
governor,
gordon
and
also
to
this
committee,
just
to
provide
just
provide
some
some
visibility
and
some
information
on
the
steps
we
take
in
the
military
department
to
to
root
out
sexual
assault,
sexual
harassment.
Certain
that's,
I
think,
very
simply
put
where
we're
at.
A
K
Thank
you,
mr
speaker.
In
general
it
the
last
meeting
I
had
inquired
about
getting
prior
years
reports.
Is
it?
Is
it
possible
for
a
follow-up
on
that.
L
General,
mr,
mr
chairman,
representative
baker.
This
was
the
first
year
of
reporting
that
we
had
done.
This
voluntary
report
is
the
first
time
we've
done
it
if
and
I'm
sorry
representative
baker.
If,
if
I
misunderstood,
certainly
I
can
talk
about
specific
numbers
of
cases
prior
to
to
to
this,
and
particularly
on
the
sexual
assault
by.
But
this
is
the
first
opportunity
this
last
year
is
the
only
report
that
we've
done.
A
Represent
follow
up
all
right.
Okay!
Thank
you.
Any
other
questions,
any
other
questions
for
general
porter,
mr
smith.
Okay,
all
right!
Thank
you,
general.
Just
hang
with
us
for
a
minute.
Yes,
sir
okay,
I
already
asked
this
question,
but
I
ask
it
again:
any
other
public
testimony.
Any
agencies,
governor's
office,
anyone
else.
A
Moved
by
brown
seconded
by
o'hearn
committee,
any
amendments
we've
we've
all
seen
this
in
that
so
page,
one
page,
two
page:
three:
okay,
all
right
all
right,
all
right
question
being
called
diana.
Please
take
the
role.
A
P
Mr
chairman,
I
I'm
hoping
to
be
back
monday.
I
actually
have
the
combination
of
covet
and
strep
throat,
so
I'm
pretty
weak,
but
I
hope
to
be
back
monday.
A
Yes,
representative,
stay
home
and
get
better,
please
or
we'll
be
in
like
anna
contamination
suits
or
something
when
you
get
back
so
well,.
A
A
And
I
don't
think
anyone
in
the
room
wants
you
to
come
back
right
away
either.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Just
hang
with
us,
okay,
general.
Thank
you
very
much.
We'll
get
this
handled
on
the
on
the
floor,
okay
and
for
the
rest
of
the
people
here.
Thank
you
for
your
patience,
letting
us
get
that
bill
out.
So
the
next
bill
up
is
senate
file,
35,
electric
vehicle
charging
stations,
regulation
exemption-
and
I
see
a
number
of
people
here.
So
this
was
a
committee
bill.
N
The
definition
of
a
public
utility
is
broad.
If
you
provide
electricity
even
in
the
form
of
a
charging
station,
arguably
you
could
be
considered
a
a
public
utility
so
which
is
the
same
issue
we
faced
years
ago
with
compressed
natural
gas.
So
the
all
the
build
does
is
say
that
if
fly,
you
know,
a
local
convenience
store
puts
up
a
charger.
N
A
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
chairman,
so
one
of
my
questions
and
and
this
is.
F
Related
to
the
bill,
but
not
directly
so
one
of
the
major
manufacturers
of
electric
vehicles,
the
name
sounds
like
salsa:
you
can
go
and
plug
in
and
through
their
software
they
allow
that
person
to
have
a.
I
guess
you
pre-purchase
a
certain
amount
with
the
vehicle,
and
so
then
that
is
charged
directly
to
the
owner's
account
since
we're
obviously
worrying
about
or
trying
to
calculate
how
to
charge
vehicles
for
the
actual
road
usage
as
we
as
is
returned
to
us
through
a
fuel
tax.
F
My
question
to
you
is:
is
it
possible,
through
the
use
of
electricity
via
an
account
to
for
the
state
to
somehow
reach
out
and
get
a
equitable
amount
from
these
electric
vehicle
users
not
trying
to
nothing
overage,
but
the
same
amount
that
you
would
that
we
would
recover
from
people
using
indian
internal
combustion
engine?
Thank
you.
N
Please,
mr
chairman
representative
mcguire,
I'm
trying
to
think
of
a
diplomatic
way
to
to
punt
that
question.
I
haven't
really
thought
about
that.
Electricity
is
taxed,
there's
sales
tax
on
electricity,
so
I
think
general
reiner,
director
reiner,
has
thought
more
about
the
taxation
issues
than
we
have,
but
we
do
tax
electricity.
I
can
say
that
much.
A
K
Baker,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
commissioner,
so
if
this
bill
passes
and
these
charging
stations
are
not
regulated
by
your
organization,
does
it
just
leave
it
to
local
building
codes?
Is
that
what
we're
moving
towards.
N
Mr
chairman,
the
provision
of
electricity
tote
to
those
charging
stations
from
some
of
the
people
sitting
behind
me.
Excuse
me,
representative
baker.
I
didn't
say
hello,
mr
chairman:
the
the
regulation
of
the
provision
of
that
electricity
would
still
be
regulated
by
tariffs
and
whatever
mechanisms
are
put
in
place
by
the
utilities,
but
the
the
physical
location
of
the
charging
station
would
would
fall
to
local
government.
I
assume.
H
Yes,
sorry
about
that.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
think
where
we're
going,
commissioner,
is
how
we
can
figure
out
if
a
charging
station
at
the
local,
loaf
and
jug
or
in
somebody's
garage,
if
those
people
are
using
the
road
more
than
what
our
fuel
tax
is
paying
for,
that
make
sense.
N
Mr
chairman,
representative
o'hearn,
I
think
you
know
that
that
is
a
concern.
How
we
continue
to
pay
for
roads,
I
think,
is
a
is
a
concern
that
we
can
all
share,
but
I
believe
again
that
general
reiner
has
considered
this
issue
in
more
depth
than
than
we
have
yeah.
A
A
R
Just
probably
a
couple
comments
on
on
this
one
is
you
know
so,
what's
luke
reiner's
interest
in
electric
charging
stations,
the
reality
is
is,
is
we
have
the
rows
for
the
implementation
of
electrical
vehicle
charging
stations
across
the
state
and
are
currently
working
on
a
plan
to
do
just
that
using
various
pots
of
money,
there's
27
million
dollars
over
the
next
five
years
in
idja?
That's
coming,
there's
a
lot
of
money
in
discretionary
grants.
Also
in
asia.
R
That's
that's
coming
and
there
is
actually
a
little
over
a
million
dollars
in
the
vw
settlement.
Money
that's
available
and
and
our
task
is
to
synchronize
different
pots
of
money
and
disparate
entities
across
the
state
into
really
a
synchronized
cohesive,
deliberate
implementation
plan,
because
the
tricky
thing
about
electrical
vehicles
is
you
got
to
have
power,
you
know
every
so
often
to
to
proceed
down
the
road,
and-
and
so
that's
that's
the
overall
goal,
our
our
our
timeline
is.
We
do
have
a
draft
plan.
R
We
have
a
date
after
the
session
to
brief
the
governor,
and
we
intend
to
be
on
the
road
seeking
public
input,
the
first
full
week
in
in
april,
so
we'll
be
in
your
area
and
we'll
look
forward
to
seeing
you
as
as
we
progress
now.
Just
just
just
a
couple
just
a
couple
thoughts,
one
is
the
the
federal
goal
with
the
edge
of
money.
Specifically,
the
27
million
dollars
is
the
build
out
of
corridors.
R
In
this
case,
we've
identified
three
I-80
I-25
I-90
task
on
purpose
is
that
you
can
take
a
vehicle
and
drive
from
the
east
coast
to
the
west
or
the
north
of
the
south.
Certainly
we're
part
of
that
national
corridor.
Additionally,
why
this
is
so
important
is,
is
while
I
don't
anticipate
a
lot
of
people
in
wyoming
running
out
and
buying
an
electric
vehicle,
others
in
our
nation
will
and
others
in
our
nation
who
buy.
R
Those
will
wish
to
come
be
tourists
in
our
state,
and
I
see
it
very
important
that
for
us
to
support
the
economy
of
the
state
in
terms
of
tourism
that
that
we
are,
you
know,
deliberate
and
fairly,
quick
about
in
placing
these
corridors
after
those
first
three
that
identified,
we
have
some
additional
ones
identified
that
all
sort
of
go
towards
yellowstone
and
and
the
northwest
corner
of
the
state.
So
that's
sort
of
the
big
strategic
importance
in
where
we're
going
there
are.
R
There
are
some
challenges,
as
we
deal
with
idja
and
and
the
rule
set,
so
the
rule
set
says
basically
a
for
for
you
to
get
this
27
million
dollars.
You
need
to
submit
us
a
plan.
The
plan
is
due
in
august,
we'd
like
to
have
it
in
before
that
no
money
is
released
until
they
approve
the
plan.
Part
of
having
that
plan
approved
is
we
certainly
have
to
minimize
utility
fees.
Minimize
demand,
charges
provide
high
speed
charging
for
travelers
and,
and
the
list
is,
is-
is
fairly
extensive.
R
R
There
are
some
places
that
are
problematic
in
terms
of
having
power
there.
Specifically,
if
you
look
at
in
between
laramie
and
rollins
and
probably
rollins
and
rock
springs,
you
know,
there's
there's
some
challenges
for
us
there
as
we
go
as
we
go
down
the
road.
There
are
some
technical
solutions
that
are
available
and,
and
that
would
fit
sort
of
basically
self-generation
in
terms
of
power
for
those
areas
you
know.
R
Obviously,
other
options
are
to
drag
power
in
from
somewhere
to
power
those
those
stations
in
terms
of
so
that
sort
of
gets
us
to
this
bill,
and-
and
we
certainly
support
this
bill
as
it's
currently
written.
It
is
broad
in
nature
and
it
allows
lots
of
flexibility
in
terms
of
addressing
the
technical
and
distance
and
and
various
challenges
that
we
face
in
this
space,
and
and
fundamentally
it
says,
hey,
listen!
R
You
are
not
a
utility
as
long
as
you
know,
as
you
as
you
distribute
electrical
power
as
long
as
you're
charging
vehicles
and
and
that's
what
it
does
for
us
and
and
we
think
it
it's
it's
good,
as
as
we
discussed
it
with
the
psc
they're
very
comfortable
in
in
this
space
and
in
the
current
construct
of
the
bill.
R
The
the
other
item
that
I
would
add
is,
mr
chairman,
I
you
know
we
owe
you
interim
topics.
The
discussion
of
electric
v,
electrification
of
the
highways
will
be
very
high
on
that
list,
because
I
think
there
are
some
things
we
need
to
talk
to.
One
of
them
is
the
questions
that
you
ask
about.
You
know
basically,
a
road
user
charge
for
electric
vehicles.
R
Certainly
we
that's
on
that's
on
the
list
and
and
high
on
items
for
us
to
take
care
of.
But
what
I'd
say
is
the
interim
topic
is:
is
an
opportunity
for
us,
as
we
go
through
in
more
depth
the
opportunity
to
adjust
any
statute
across
the
board
that
we
need
to,
and
and
mr
mr
chairman,
that
would
be
my
sort
of
quick
elevator
speech
about
where
we're
at
and
what
we
think
about
this
bill.
And
why?
Okay.
A
Thank
you
director.
Any
questions
for
director
reiner
any
questions.
Okay,
representative
steiber,
but
one
moment
please
just
I'd
like
this
is
one
I
know
we
can
get
very
far
afield
very
quickly
for
right
now,
I'd
like
to
say-
and
I
know,
there's
an
amendment
and
I
know
there
may
be
dis-
I'm
sorry.
A
Thank
you.
Okay!
All
right,
I
want
to.
I
want
to
say
on
this
whether
they're,
a
public
utility
or
not.
I
know
we'd
like
to
ask
a
lot
of
questions
about
charges
and
money
and
all
of
that,
but
I'd
like
to
concentrate
on
the
issue
of
whether
or
not
these
charging
stations
are
public
utility.
So
if
we
could
stick
to
that,
please
we
may
have
some
time
to
to
go
afield
on
some
other
issues,
but
so
right
now
any
questions
for
the
director.
You
have
one
okay,
representative
steiber.
I
guess
you
were
going
far
afield.
A
I
Real
quick,
okay,
representative
brown,
mr
chairman
and
director,
I
right
before
I
left
the
department
of
environmental
quality.
There
was
a
good
working
group
going
on
with
the
electrification
of
highways
and
stuff
like
that.
Is
that
working
group
still
up
and
operational,
and
are
you
guys
still
coinciding
with
with
the
eq
on
some
of
the
money
that
was
available
through
the
vw
settlement
as
well.
R
Mr
chairman,
representative
brown,
yes,
in
fact,
we
white
out
has
a
lead
on
the
working
group.
They
were
they're
meeting
frequently.
This
is,
and
deq
is
part
of
that
group
and
there's
about
eight
state
agencies
that
that
are
involved.
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
multi-faceted
interagency
and-
and
I
would
also
share
in
terms
of
of
meetings,
my
thanks
to
the
utility
companies
and
to
the
psc
we
did.
The
psc
did
host
what
they
called
a
a
technical
technical
conference.
R
Looking
for
solutions
to
some
of
these,
I
some
of
these
issues
that
we've
identified
and,
and
certainly
as
we've
worked
with
utilities.
I
you
know
everybody
recognizes
that
this
is
this.
This
will
be
a
lift
and
it's
a
lift
that
we
accomplished
together
across
the
state,
to
further
better
the
state
and
and
we've
got
some
great
partnerships
going
and
and
a
great
working
relationships
as
we
go
down
this
road.
A
S
There
we
go,
mr
chairman,
david
bush,
with
black
hills,
energy.
I
apologize
for
the
informalities
earlier
shouting
across
the
room.
We
did
have
an
amendment
that
we
had
put
together
with
some
of
our
other
utilities
and
in
talking
to
the
public
service
commission
out
in
the
hall
and
the
director
for
y-dot
general
reiner,
we're
going
to
withdraw
the
amendment,
I'm
withdrawing
it
on
behalf
of
black
hills.
At
this
time.
S
I'm
not
sure
my
colleagues
totally
agree
or
maybe
have
other
thoughts,
but
mr
taylor
had
to
leave
to
go
to
a
family
obligation,
but
he
also
said
the
co-ops
would
support
at
this
time
withdrawing
this
amendment.
We
think
our
concerns
with
the
legislation
as
it
stands
now
were
answered
by
conversation
with
the
public
service
commission
and
ensuring
that
our
concerns
stem
from
these
ev
stations,
setting
up
self-generation
and
then
starting
to
resell
power.
That
would
bring
them
back
into
the
public
service
commission,
which
is
what
we
didn't
want
and
what
they
don't
want.
S
We
ran
into
that
in
south
dakota,
so
our
folks
in
south
dakota
had
sense
some
language
like
this
to
just
make
sure
that
that
didn't
happen,
but
psc
and
and
has
assured
me
that
they
didn't
they
don't
think
that
would
be
the
case.
So
at
this
time
we'll
stand
in
favor
of
the
language
as
it
is.
K
S
Mr
chairman,
representative,
baker,
I
believe
it
was
solar,
that's
usually
the
easiest
way
to
do.
It
is
to
set
up
a
and
I'm
kind
of
new
to
the
ev
charging
station
world,
but
they
were
setting
up
a
station,
putting
a
solar
array
on
top
and
as
soon
as
they
were
south
dakota
code,
maybe
different
on
this
aspect,
but
they
were
generating,
and
then
they
were
selling
that
power
that
was
generated
from
the
solar.
S
So
in
their
public
service
commissioner's
opinion,
it
pulled
them
back
into
being
a
utility
at
that
point,
and
our
public
service,
commissioner,
has
assured
us
that,
as
long
as
it's
with
the
statute
or
the
the
legislation,
the
way
it's
written
as
long
as
they
are
selling
just
to
electric
vehicles,
that
would
not
apply
in
this
case.
So
we
are
we're
comfortable
with
the
language
the
way
it
is,
and
we
don't
certainly
want
to
stand
in
the
way
of
the
deployment
for
the
department
of
transportation,
follow-up.
K
Representative
baker
yeah
just
briefly
so
just
so,
I
understand
and
I'm
understanding
the
legislation
correctly,
because
there
was
some
confusion
so
are
are.
Is
it
your
understanding
that
these
these
are
going
to
be
able
to
self-generate
just
as
long
as
they're,
not
selling
or
they're,
not
going
to
be
able
to
self-generate
at
all.
S
They
would
be
sorry,
mr
chairman,
they
would
be
able
to
self-generate
yes
and
that's
what
I
think
director
reiner
is
saying
with
that:
every
50-mile
issue,
where
you
have
stretches
of
road,
that
it
would
be
very
expensive,
almost
cost
prohibitive
to
stretch
the
power
that
you
would
need
for
these
ev
charging
stations
they're
going
to
have
to
self-generate
along
the
I-80
or
wherever
they
might
be
in
order
to
serve
that
and
do
it
cost-effectively.
S
So,
with
the
the
explanation
from
the
the
public
service
commission,
we
feel
that
we're
the
legislation's
good,
the
way
it
is
and
that
we
won't
run
afoul
of
anything
so.
E
S
Mr
chairman,
I'm
not
sure
I
quite
understand
like
would
we
be
okay?
Sorry
go
ahead,
representative
henderson,
just
to
clarify
on.
S
The
trick
becomes,
if
they're
interconnected.
If
they're
connected
to
our
poles
and
wires,
then
there's
a
limit
on
that
25
kw.
If
they're
self-generating,
which
happens
out
in
the
oil
patch
all
the
time,
you
know
5
10
15
megawatts
whatever
they
need.
They
can
do
that.
No
problem
under
the
psc
guidelines
as
long
as
they're
not
interconnected.
S
Other
questions,
thank
you,
mr
bush.
Thank
you,
sir.
I
hope
I
didn't
confuse
the
matter
anymore.
So
anyone
else
here
but.
O
Mr
chairman
bill
winnie
sublett
county
as
a
guy
who
spent
30
years
in
the
submarine
force.
Batteries
are
near
and
dear
to
my
heart
and
I
think,
as
you
look
at
these
things,
consider
the
the
utility
or
not
utility.
You
need
to
think
about
your
roads
in
february
at
minus
20
degrees,
because
battery
capacities
drop
tremendously
with
temperature
and
that
will
get
to
spacing
of
chargers.
O
How
many
charging
ports
you
have
at
each
of
those
locations
and
those
kind
of
things
give
you
an
example.
Your
lead
acid
battery
in
your
car
is
rated
at
80
degrees,
fahrenheit
at
32
degrees.
It
drops
by
50
percent
of
capacity
at
zero
degrees.
It
drops
by
another
50
percent,
and
so,
if
you
think
february,
elk
mountain
minus
20
degrees
that
car
that
had
a
300
mile
range
now
has
a
75
mile
range
or
something
like
that.
O
O
O
A
G
If
I
could,
my
name
is
bruce
ac
and
I'm
here
today
on
behalf
of
montana
dakota
utilities
company,
it's
a
utility
company
that
provides
electrical
power
in
the
northern
north
central
part
of
the
state.
It
also
has
services
in
a
number
of
other
states
that
are
adjacent
to
us,
as
well
as
systems
in
idaho
and
oregon.
G
With
respect
to
this,
I
had
come
to
support
the
amendment,
but
that's
off
the
table,
and
I
don't
want
to
stop
that,
but
I
do
think
that
the
idea
of
exceptions,
particularly
with
respect
to
public
utilities
and
I'm
representing
a
public
utility,
are
somewhat
difficult
because
of
the
unintended
consequences,
and
so
I'm
mainly
here
to
say,
I'm
not
going
to
object
to
the
bill
that
it
is
proposed.
G
But
to
give
some
warning
that
I
think
that
is
a
little
more
complicated
and
we
do
need
to
talk
about
a
little
more,
particularly
when
you
look
at
the
exceptions
that
we
do
have.
If
a
hotel,
you
know,
that's,
not
a
public
utility,
a
mall
might
not
be
a
public
utility.
G
A
mobile
home
park
might
not
be
a
public
utility
if
they
have
a
master
meter
and
they
abide
by
certain
requirements,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
protocols
and
regulations
that
have
been
developed
over
time
with
respect
to
the
regulation,
and
so
I
haven't
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
with
the
director
with
respect
to
his
concern.
I
think
it
could
have
been
addressed,
but
at
this
stage
on
behalf
of
my
client,
we're
not
going
to
oppose
the
bill
as
it's
proposed
to
you
at
this
time.
A
Q
Good
afternoon,
chairman
burkhart,
please
can
everyone?
Can
everyone
hear
me
all
right?
Yes,
great,
thank
you
so
much
for
indulging
my
remote
attendance.
I
apologize
for
not
being
there
in
person.
My
name
is
justin
ackley
I
represent
chargepoint
we're
the
largest
manufacturer
of
ev
infrastructure
in
the
country.
This
bill
is
extremely
important
to
us
just
by
way
of
background
currently
41
other
states
in
the
district
of
columbia.
Have
this
free
market
exemption
in
place.
Q
If
you
parked
somewhere
and
used
a
lower
kilowatt
hour
per
charge
charger,
you
would
sit
there
much
longer
and
be
charged
a
much
higher
rate,
as
opposed
to
a
dc
fast
charger,
which
you
would
be
there
for
a
short
period
of
time
and
only
pay
say
15
to
20
minutes
worth
of
charge.
This
would
permit
them
to
make
it
a
competitive
pricing
model
and
really
be
able
to
move
move
forward
to
make
the
business
case
that
would
permit
them
to
be
in
the
ev
charging
business
to
avoid
any
political
landmines
that
may
exist
there.
Q
I
just
wanted
to
answer
a
few
questions.
From
our
perspective,
I
I
believe
representative
baker
asked
about
regulation
of
the
charging
station.
Yes,
the
commissioner
was
correct
that
the
provision
of
electricity
would
remain
under
the
psc
and
anything
that
related
to
the
equity
as
it
relates
to
the
measurement
of
electricity
or
the
charging
of
electricity
would
most
likely
fall
under
the
department
of
weights
and
measures
within
the
department
of
agriculture.
Q
That's
how
it's
handled
in
oklahoma
and
california
and
a
number
of
other
states,
so
I
would
anticipate
that
it
would
move
forward
in
the
same
way,
the
national
institute
of
standards
is
currently
working
on
a
tolerance
for
the
meters,
so
that
everybody
gets
a
fair
shake
similar
to
the
way
gas
pumps
are
regulated
so
that
when
you
pay
for
a
gallon
of
gas,
you
get
a
gallon
of
gas
same
way.
That
would
be
regulated
by
ev
chargers.
You
know
the
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
address
quickly
is
representative
henderson.
Q
I
believe
asked
about
residential
versus
commercial
in
our.
In
our
experience,
the
psc
doesn't
have
jurisdiction
over
residential
charges,
so
this
would
only
be
applicable
to
publicly
available
chargers
both
level
two
and
level
three.
So
we're
happy
to
answer
any
additional
questions.
We
really
support
this.
We
thank
the
commission
and
the
department
for
for
their
support
and
we
look
forward
to
working
with
the
department
of
with
the
state
of
wyoming
the
department
of
transportation
to
build
out
the
infrastructure
corridors
that
wyoming
so
badly
needs.
Q
I
I
I
apologize
for
not
completely
understanding
the
question.
Currently,
the
marketplace
is
developing
as
such,
so
if
the
provisions,
if
this
provision
were
to
go
into
law
today,
the
any
business
that's
interested
in
procuring
ev
charging,
whether
that
be
level
2,
which
is
generally
about
7.2,
kw
or
level
3,
which
is
also
known
as
dc
fast
charging,
could
do
so
in
any
way
shape
or
form
based
off
of
the
private
equity
that
they
would
bring
to
the
table.
Q
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
asking
answering
my
earlier
question,
sir.
So
my
question
is
as
to
fast
charge
versus
regular
charge.
Yes,
sir,
is
there
a
difference
in
the
the
the
the
costing
and
how
do
you
keep
track
of
that.
Q
There
would
not
be
so
the
rates
that
would
be
charged
by
a
competitive,
healer
or
grocery
store,
whether
they
be
level
two
which
is
a
slower
charge
or
a
dc
fast
charger,
would
be
regulated
under
the
tariffs
on
file
at
the
psc
and
then,
whatever
kind
of
market
rate
that
those
individuals
providing
that
service,
either
the
loaf
and
jug
or
the
albertsons,
whatever
rate
that
they
determined
would
be
applicable
in
the
marketplace,
so
that
that's
how
it
would
be
calculated,
so
the
base
rate
would
be
whatever
it
costs
to
generate
a
kilowatt
hour
in
the
state
of
wyoming,
plus
whatever
charges
that
the
psc
has
permitted
the
utility
to
recoup.
Q
All
of
that
would
go
into
the
pricing
that
would
be
competitive
in
the
marketplace.
So
if
a
loaf
and
jug
installed
ev
charging,
they
would
take
that
base
rate
or
for
lack
of
a
better
term.
I
I
don't
mean
this
in
a
different
way,
but
a
whole
sales,
a
wholesale
rate
that
they
received
from
the
local
utility
they
would
be
able
to
then
add.
You
know
a
competitive
market
rate
to
that
similar
to
gasoline.
I
don't
mean
wholesale
rate
as
in
federal
jurisdiction
or
anything
along
those
lines.
Q
E
Q
Sure
sure-
and
thank
you
for
that
question
representative,
henderson
and
chairman
when
we
get
into
the
regulation
of
the
charger
we're
talking
about
meter
tolerances
and
that's
what
I
was
indicating
would
be
handled
under
the
department
of
wage
and
measures
within
the
department
of
agriculture,
most
likely
within
the
state
of
wyoming
right
now.
Q
The
national
institute
of
standards
is
establishing
a
universal
standard
for
the
united
states
of
right
now,
plus
or
minus
one
in
a
meter,
tolerance
to
ensure
that
when
a
an
ev
driver
plugs
into
an
ev
charger
they're
getting
within
a
tolerance
of
one
plus
or
minus
one
percent,
exactly
what
the
meter
itself
is
telling
you
so
each
individual
charge.
Point
charger
has
an
embedded
meter
within
it
that
measures
each
kilowatt
hour
as
it
comes
out
of
the
meter.
Q
A
A
A
Mr
winney,
I'm
going
to
have
to
ask
you
to
hold
that
we'll
handle
that
I
think
in
the
interim
and
that
so
with
that
I'll
close
public
testimony
committee
moved
by
henderson
seconded
by
stiver.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I've
moved
the
amendment
as
president
in
front
of
us
and
if
I
get
a
second,
we
go
ahead.
A
P
A
So
anyone
want
to
volunteer
representative
henderson.
Thank
you
so
committee
there.
I
know
there
are
a
lot
of
questions
on
electric
vehicles
and
that's
probably
something
we
can
look
at
in
the
interim.
We
did
have
a
bill
that
we
decided
to
table
for
this
past
interim.
Do
the
potential
complexity,
so
I
think
we'll
take
that.
A
Maybe
propose
that
as
a
an
interim
topic
and
for
the
director's
comments,
representative
yin
has
been
participating
kind
of
as
an
observer
with
that
group
looking
at
electric
vehicles,
and
he
had
asked
me
if
he
could
do
that,
and
I
said
that
would
be
great
so
we'll
take.
I
think
this
is
one
we
can
take
up
in
the
interim.
A
Mr
winney,
you
may
want
to
come
back
during
the
interim
as
we
discuss
some
of
the
technicalities
of
electric
vehicles
and
charging
and
I
apologize
for
cutting
you
short,
but
we
do
have
to
get
back
on
the
floor.
So,
okay,
thank
you
with
that.
One
other
comment
as,
as
we
had
said
we
take
these
as
we
could.
I
appreciate
the
trucking
association
and
the
contractors
association
being
here
and
we'll
take
that
that'll
be
the
first
bill,
tuesday,
if
that's
acceptable
to
you.
Okay,
thank
you.