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B
Team
clerical
piece
called
the
roll.
B
Here
the
first
matter
for
our
consideration
is
a
re-referral
on
appropriation,
which
is
House
Bill
81
Hospital
supplement
supplemental
payments.
Statutory
fix
also
often
referred
to
as
a
UPL,
and
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
representative
Larson.
C
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee.
The
appropriation
on
this
is
generated
by
an
assessment
to
the
hospitals,
they're
they're
collecting
from
themselves
and
providing
3.8
million
dollars
to
the
Department
of
Health,
to
enhance
our
side
of
the
Medicaid
funds
to
capture
federal
funds
and
that's
the
other
half
the
other.
3.8
million
dollars
is
to
be
able
to
capture
that
3.8.
C
That's
left
on
the
table
because
from
the
upper
payment
limit,
so
we're
assessing
them,
enhance
that
where
our
providers
can
capture
some
of
that
Federal
money,
that's
left
on
the
table
because
of
our
our
provider
rates
and
then
Mr
chairman.
C
You
will
recall
this
committee
will
recall
also
that
we
have
just
an
FYI
that
each
each
budget,
you
know
we
have
a
footnote
in
the
Department
of
Health,
requiring
the
department
to
ask
for
authority
to
do
this
upper
payment
limit
program
this
one,
because
it
was
the
first
one
we'd
done,
and
so
we
take
care
of
that
that,
with
some
new
language
on
fives,
where
we
won't
see
that
but
not
moving.
C
Do
Hospital
Mr
chairman,
we
do
upl's
the
first
this
and
we
we
created
in
2016
for
hospitals
a
couple
years
later.
Then
we
created
one
for
nursing,
home,
long-term
care
attached
to
hospitals
and
then,
a
couple
years
ago,
we've
done
the
one
for
Emergency
Medical
Services,
that's
currently
on
being
drafted,
rules
are
being
drafted,
they
think
that'll
be
implemented
this
year
and.
B
C
One
hundred
dollars
on
the
Medicaid
side,
where
the
states
participating
with
CMS
they're,
saying
we've
still
for
that
same
service
on
the
Medicaid
side,
will
only
reimburse
for
that
for
100
that'll,
be
our
maximum
that'll,
be
the
upper
payment
limit,
but
based
on
how
much
the
state
puts
into
medicated
our
50
50
match,
we
may
not
put
enough
in
there
to
capture
that
whole
100.
We
may
only
have
enough,
we
may
it
may
be
75
on
our
size.
C
75
on
the
FED
side,
so
or
I
mean
seven,
that's
that's
a
25
on
our
side,
25
on
the
on
the
FED
side,
and
so
that
total's
50.
and
that's
the
maximum
the
hospitals
could
get
reimbursed
and
so
we're
leaving
50.
C
C
Yeah,
so
so,
if
if
the
state
said
we're
going
to
put
in
25
and
the
FED
said,
okay
we'll
match
it,
25
and
25
is
50..
Then
we've
left
50
up
there.
So
then
the
hospitals
could
come
in
and
assess
another
25
to
enhance
the
the
state
side
in
the
then
the
feds
would
come
up
equally
and
so
now
the
feds
of
match.
50
we've
matched
50.
C
D
B
E
C
Mr
Mr
chairman,
currently,
this
upper
payment
limit
program
is
for
private
hospitals
and
in
this
one
we
expand
it
to
help
cover
prtf
Services
those
psychiatric
residential
treatment
facilities.
You'll
see
some
new
language
in
there
in
the
back
that
mentions
public
or
private,
as
federal
law
allows,
but
currently,
under
this
program
they
only
allow
the
private.
C
And
Mr
chairman,
just
in
FYI
and
I,
may
reach
out
to
one
of
you
on
on
page
seven,
there
line
15,
there's
an
appropriation
for
48
830
from
federal
funds.
C
C
B
F
Mr,
chairman
committee
members,
Eric
bully
the
Wyman
Hospital
Association
I
I,
don't
want
to
belabor
the
point,
but
this
is
a
really
important
program.
Our
private
hospitals
have
agreed
to
do
this
assessment,
helping
our
two
prtfs
in
the
state.
There
are
only
two
there's
one
at
wbi,
there's
a
second
one,
St
Joseph's
in
Torrington.
F
This
will
this
will
treat
and
help
treat
and
take
care
of
our
adolescents,
and
that's
specifically
what
this
is
for
right
now
we
don't
have
enough
capacity
in
the
state
and
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
where
we
are
on
our
reimbursement
model.
F
We
we've
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
both
those
facilities.
I
represent
wbi
they're
part
of
the
hospital
Association
St
Joseph's
is
a
standalone
I've,
toured
both
of
those
facilities
and
been
touched
Honestly
by
the
mission
that
they
have.
They
provide
School
Services
all
kinds
of
situations
where
they
help
these
young
people
heal
and
what
the
hope
is
is
that
we'll
have
less
recidivism
and
that
they'll
become
productive
members
of
societies
as
they
leave
those
and
get
better.
So
we
would
just
ask
for
your
favor
consideration.
B
B
It's
the
hot,
the
medical
they
self-assess.
B
G
B
Yeah
and
then
the
money
goes
back
out
to
them.
Okay,
the
most
succinct
description,
I
ever
heard,
was
my
the
light
hospital
administrator
in
Buffalo
I
said
Sandy.
What
is
this?
It's
just.
It's
just
a
way
to
pick
the
pez's
pocket,
so
we
get
a
little
bit
more
money
and
take
care
of
our
Hospital
other
questions.
All
right.
B
Thank
you.
Okay.
We
were
going
to
Pivot
them
to
some
of
these
joint
Appropriations
bills.
We
lost
Brian
and
Paulie,
though
oh
there's,
Brian
you're
right
in
front
of
me,
the
whole
time
and
you're
here,
Brian
on
64
or
89.
yeah.
H
Mr
chairman
I'm
here
for
Hospital
United
gross
just
to
at
your
request.
Mr
chairman,
walk
the
committee
through
the
bill.
G
H
So
so
Mr
chairman,
a
lot
of
this
will
sound
familiar.
So
this
is
House
Bill
89
engrossed,
State
investment
returns
adequate
Reserve
funding.
A
lot
of
this
overview
should
sound
familiar.
It
was
part
of
2023
Senate
file,
145
a
bill
that
I
outlined
for
the
committee
several
weeks
ago.
So
this
bill
amends
statutes
for
the
Permanent
Fund
Reserve
accounts
to
increase
the
threshold
at
which
the
funds
in
the
reserve
accounts
would
tip
or
revert
into
the
appropriate
permanent
funds
Corpus.
H
H
H
What
this
subsection
o
does
in
94601
would
require
that
fmrs
that
would
otherwise
go
into
the
school
Foundation
program.
Account
would
go
to
the
lsra,
and
this
is
a
repayment
of
the
lsra
for
the
transfer
from
the
lsra
to
the
common
School
Permanent
Fund
Reserve
account.
H
One
time
so,
once
that
repayment
is
complete,
that
that
these
transfers
would
would
stop.
B
H
Yeah
this
uses
the
fmrs
to
repay
the
lsra,
then
page
8
line
20.
This
is
the
subsection
dealing
with
the
permanent
Wyoming
mineral
trust
fund.
Reserve
account
the
new
language
beginning
on
page
8
line
20
provides
that
this
Reserve
account,
except
for
funds
that
guarantee
the
obligations
of
the
pmtf
investment
earnings
and
funds
that
are
transferred
into
the
Corpus.
The
funds
that
are
deposited
into
in
the
into
this
Reserve
account
are
intended
to
be
in
violet,
then
page
9
line,
16
and
17.
H
B
H
Mr,
chairman,
that's
correct.
That's
seven
times
the
spending
policy
amount
then
moving
on
to
page
10
line
three.
This
is
a
common
School
Reserve
account
similar
concept,
except
for
funds
that
guarantee
the
obligations
of
the
investment
earnings
from
the
common
school
account
and
funds
that
are
transferred
into
the
the
Corpus.
The
reserve
account
is
intended
to
be
in
violet,
page
10
lines,
19
to
21
changes.
The
percentage
to
420
percent
of
the
spending
policy
amount.
That's
seven
times
the
the
spending
policy
amount
page
11
line.
H
H
Yeah
Mr
chairman
all
the
percentages.
The
changes
in
this
bill
draft
the
percentages
would
all
be
seven
times.
The
spending
policy
amount.
Okay,
now
page
11,
going
on
to
page
12.
This
is
an
amendment
to
the
wildlife,
natural
resource
Trust
and
begin
on
page
12
line
two.
This
provides
that
investment
earnings
from
the
trust
account
are
credited
to
the
income
account
and
then
the
amount
of
earnings
that
are
available
or
excuse
me.
G
H
So
it's
basically
a
rollover
of
any
unspent
spending
policy
amount,
then
page
12
line
seven.
This
would
be
a
tip
from
the
income
account
to
the
wildlife
natural
resource
trust
account.
Once
you
hit
300
percent
of
the
spending
policy,
page
12
line
19.
This
is
a
spending
policy,
some
Preparatory
language.
First,
the
earnings
from
the
investment
are
deposited
to
the
income
account
and
then
the
amount
of
earnings
available
shall
be
equal
to
five
percent
of
the
five-year
average
market.
Value
of
the
trust
account.
H
And
then
Mr
chairman
lines,
six
through
23
and
then
page
14
lines,
two
through
eleven,
basically
ease
into
that
five-year
average.
So
the
first
year
would
be
a
one
year,
average,
the
second
year,
two
year
average
and
so
forth.
H
Until
you
get
to
the
fifth
year
page
14
line
13
just
notes
that
the
calculation
is
the
spending
policy
and
then
page
14
line
16
provides
that
nothing
in
the
subsection
is
construed
to
limit
the
the
wildlife
and
Trust
board
from
expending
funds
that
are
especially
appropriated
to
the
income
account
or
that
are
granted
or
donated
to
the
trust
to
be
deposited
in
the
income.
Account
then
page
15
line,
one
just
provides
that
earnings
and
access
to
the
spending
policy
amount
go
into
the
income
account.
H
Page
15
line
23-
this
is
an
amendment
to
16
1
111
f
is
concerns
the
Lost
Reserve
account
or
loans
to
cities
and
towns.
It
strikes
a
required
quarterly
transfer
from
the
pmtf
reserve,
account
to
the
loss.
Reserve
account,
that's
created
for
these
loans
to
cities
and
towns
and
really
the
the
key
or
the
the
aim
of
that
language
is
to
remove
an
obligation
of
the
pmtf
reserve,
account.
B
And
and
remind
me
that
transfer
ever
been
used
or
the
the
the
loss
Reserve
account.
B
J
H
Yep
Mr,
chairman
I
I,
think
the
way
the
language
would
read
is
you
know
it
would
be
funded
from
loan
origination
fees.
G
H
Then,
moving
on
to
page
16
line
23,
this
is
a
Hathaway,
the
Hathaway
Reserve
account
and
moving
on
to
the
top
of
page
17.
This
is
a
language
that
makes
that
Reserve
account
and
violet,
except
for
funds
to
guarantee
scholarship
obligations
and
funds
that
would
go
into
the
Hathaway
Corpus
page
17
line
17
through
19.
This
changes,
the
tip
from
the
reserve
account
to
the
Corpus.
This
is
set
up
a
little
differently.
It
has
a
specified
dollar
amount,
and
so
it
changes
that
dollar
amount
and
the
percentage
to
be
seven
times.
H
The
the
the
spending
amount.
H
H
H
Okay-
and
this
provides
so
so
it'd
be
359.1
million
to
the
common
School
Reserve
account
line.
15
is
an
amendment
that
specifies
that
this
amount
is
reduced
dollar
for
dollar,
for
any
transfer
to
the
common
School
Reserve
account
that's
in
the
budget
bill
page
19
line,
one
is
274.7
million,
so
the
pmtf
reserve
account
4.6
million
to
the
Hathaway
Reserve
account
and
1.2
million
to
the
Excellence
in
higher
education.
Reserve
account
Mr
chairman.
These
transfers
are
now
contemplated.
H
You
know,
even
though
it
is
is
not
final.
They
are
contemplated
in
the
joint
conference
report
for
House
Bill
one
for
the
budget
bill,
so
these
transfers
would
be
on
top.
You
know,
if
enacted
as
drafted,
those
transfers
would
be
on
top
of
those,
and
these
transfers
would
would
take
place
July
1st
so
before
the
transfers
to
the
reserve
accounts
as
contemplated
and
in
house
bill,
one.
Okay,
then
page
19
line
19.
This
just
specifies
that
the
transfers
in
this
bill
are
not
cannot
be
invested
or
otherwise
deposited
in
a
manner
inconsistent.
H
With
the
way
the
funds
were
invested
on
July
1
2022
until
the
state
treasurer
certifies
to
the
office
of
State
lands
and
Investments,
and
the
state
loan
investment
board
that
investment
policy
statements
have
been
adopted
for
these
transferred
amounts
and
that
all
accounting
and
financial
reporting
systems
are
available
and
operating
in
a
condition
that
allows
fully
compliant
accounting
and
Reporting
on
the
investment
and
handling
of
these
funds.
And
then
the
state
loan
investment
board.
B
B
K
H
And
then
Mr
chairman
page
21,
section
four
is
just
an
intent
statement
of
the
legislature
that
an
appropriation
from
the
expenditure
account
to
the
Department
of
Education
not
be
paid
from
the
expenditure
account
and
the
subsequent
and
any
following
fiscal
biennium.
B
H
Mr
chairman
I,
believe
this
was
in
the
introduced
version.
Okay
and
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
something
budget,
fiscal
identity,
I
believe
this
may
have
been
something
they
identified
all
right
and
with
that
Mr
chairman,
that's
the
bill
and.
B
H
H
L
K
H
Mr
chairman,
the
amendment
did
add
on
on
page
one
lines:
I
think
six
and
seven
and
eight
nine
language
about
the
wildlife,
natural
resource,
trust
account
and
the
bill
title:
okay
and
then
Mr
chairman
s,
2202
for
House
Bill
89.
H
This
amendment
deletes
the
transfers
in
the
Bill
draft
and
it
also
makes
conforming
amendments
to
the
bill
title.
It
makes
conforming
amendments
to
the
findings.
It
also
deletes
all
of
the
amendments
to
94601
in
in
the
budget
Bill
the
transfers
to
the
common
School
Reserve
account
are
not
coming
from
the
lsra,
so
there's
no
need
for
this
repayment
mechanism.
That's
present
in
house
bill
89.
and
tell.
H
H
Yeah
Mr
chairman,
that
was
page
six,
seven
and
eight,
and
that
section
of
the
bill,
so
the
amendments
to
94601
would
be
deleted
entirely
from
the
bill.
G
H
Mr
chairman,
the
amendment
to
94601
is
not
necessary
because
of
the
reason
you
just
said.
In
total,
the
transfers
are
contemplated
in
the
budget.
B
D
E
That
that
Mr
chairman,
that
that
one
line
is.
E
B
B
B
Okay,
thanks
Brian
stand
by
open
it
up
for
agency
comment:
Mr
Fleming.
M
Mr
chairman
Patrick
Fleming
CEO
for
the
treasurer's
office
without
rehashing,
unless
you
want
me
to
go
into
the
details
of
why
the
importance
of
the
bill
and
how
much
it
would
enable
us
to
take
better
positions
that
would
potentially
have
a
higher
return
for
the
state.
That's
basically
the
Genesis
of
Bill.
What
we're
trying
to
achieve
here
I
can
go
into
any
detail
that
you
wish.
If
you
want
me
to
get
into
more
details
of
what
the
importance
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
by
simplifying
the
process
with.
E
Mr
chairman,
we
didn't
go
through
proposition
number,
two
I
guess
no.
He
went.
M
Mr
chairman
I
could
just
go
briefly
for
those
of
the
members
that
are
not
on
Capital
finance
committee,
but,
as
you
mentioned,
this
was
over
a
Year's
work.
Numerous
meeting
subcommittee
meetings
and
the
the
main
thing
that
we're
we're
trying
to
do
is
not
only
simplify
the
process,
but
because
the
structure
of
the
funds
we
have
15
different
funds
and
each
one
of
them
has
its
own
asset
allocation.
No
one
else
does
that
everyone
has
one
big
fund
with
sub-components.
M
The
reason
that
we
do,
that
is
the
spending
policies.
So,
for
instance,
common
school
has
a
five
percent
mandatory
spend
with
that
five
percent
mandatory
spend.
It
is
a
five-year
rolling
average
Etc,
but
are
constitutionally
def
constitutionally
defined
definition
of
incomes,
interest,
income
dividends
and
realized
capital
gains.
So
we
might
have
a
twenty
percent
return
in
the
fund,
but
we
might
only
be
able
to
spend
one
percent
of
it
if
that's
what
that
income
was
was
derived
from.
M
So
what
happens
is
in
common
school,
for
instance,
we
need
to
have
an
asset
allocation
to
try
and
derive
that
five
percent
mandatory
spent
by
doing
that,
it
causes
lower
performance
than
what
we
deem
a
total
rate
of
return.
N
M
Or,
for
instance,
the
pmtf,
so
if
you
take
the
difference
between,
if
we
could
take
all
these
funds
and
have
the
same
asset
allocation
as
a
permanent
mental
trust
fund,
we
would
have
earned
over
350
million
dollars
additional
income
over
the
last
five
years.
Additionally,
because
the
reserve
accounts
are
only
about
one
and
a
half
times
the
spend
that
is
needed,
that
those
funds
cannot
have
the
same
allocation
as
a
total
return.
We
have
to
have
those
in
cash.
It's
like
a
spending
account
if
you
will
a
checking
account
by
doing
this
by
increasing
those.
M
We
could
then
take
the
reserve
accounts
and
also
put
them
into
the
total
return
which
would
would
increase
another.
You
know
hundred
and
60
70
million
over
the
last
five
years
and
I
just
used
the
last
five
years,
just
because
it
was
easy,
you
could
take
any
time
that
you
want.
The
bottom
line
is,
is
I
feel
very
confident
that
a
total
return
fund
will
outperform
cash.
M
That's
really
what
we're
talking
about
so
being
able
to
use
that
money
to
grow
the
360,
plus
whatever
equals
513
million
dollars
that
we
left
on
the
table
by
not
having
high
enough
Reserve
accounts.
That
would
enable
us
to
put
all
the
funds
in
a
total
rate,
return
type
of
scenario.
So
what
we're
looking
to
do
is
if
we
could
enhance
the
reserve
accounts
to
be
a
size
that
would
be
sufficient
to
support
a
five
years.
M
A
five
percent
spend
and
a
three
point:
seven
five
percent
spend
in
the
pmdf
and
common
school
I'm
only
focusing
on
those,
because
that's
the
big
two
big
ones,
then
that
would
enable
us
to
one
have
a
higher
return
to
simplify
the
process
and
make
our
lives
easier
and
hopefully
have
more
money
for
the
state.
So
that's
it's
approximately.
Over
the
last
five
years,
we've
left
over
a
hundred
million
dollars
in.
M
D
O
M
Mr,
chairman
Senator,
what
I'm
saying
is
that,
from
the
highest
risk,
adjusted
return
from
what
we're
trying
to
do.
That
would
be
the
optimal
historically
a
better
strategy
than
what
we're
doing
now.
It's
it's
kind
of
a
a
quasi-
endowment
structure.
If
you
will
and
historically
endowments,
have
earned
about
three
percent
more
than
what
we've
earned
because
of
their
flexibility
and
they're
able
to
do.
M
Chairman
Senator
there's
there's
a
couple
issues
with
that:
the
wild
rice,
Wildlife
Resource
trust
fund
is
included
in
pool
a
and
so
pool
a
it
has
its
own
asset
allocation,
and
so
one
thing
that
the
amendment
does
is
is
that
it
has
the
spending
policy,
but
I
didn't
see
or
don't
understand,
there's
a
not
a
reserve
account
so
to
have
that
spending
policy.
If
you
have
a
five
percent
spend
and
you
don't
hit
that
five
percent
spend
then
you're
able
to
pull
money
out
of
your
reserve
account
to
fulfill
that
spend.
M
So
in
this
instance,
if
you
don't
hit
that
spending
policy
without
a
reserve
account
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
I
mean,
obviously
you
wouldn't
have
the
money,
the
funds
and
the
funds
in
Violet
so
from
an
asset
allocation
perspective.
When
I
would
look
at
that,
if
it
was
passed,
I
would
say:
hey.
We
really
need
to
want
to
have
a
five
percent
for
sure
on
this,
and
what
that
would
do
would
cause
us
to
have
a
different
asset
allocation
to
achieve
that
goal
in
the
structure
of
the
fund.
O
M
B
O
B
G
J
Mr,
chairman
Holly
Scott,
lso
budget,
fiscal,
yes,
at
the
beginning
of
the
interim
study
the
treasurer's
office
provided
estimates
with
backward
looking
information
as
to
how
much
would
have
been
earned
if
this
strategy
had
been
implemented
for
the
last
five
years
and
that
information
is
actually
captured
in
the
legislative
findings
in
the
bill.
J
When
it
came
time
for
the
fiscal
note,
the
treasurer's
office
provided
a
forward-looking
number
of
future
expected
long-term
rate
of
return
for
permanent
funds
of
five
percent,
and
so
the
table
that
you
are
referencing
is
using
that
five
percent
and
is
also
using
some
adjusted
balances
of
what
we
have
now
projected
those
balances
to
be
lower
than
they
were
when
we,
when
the
cap
Finn
committee,
was
doing
this
work
in
in
the
last
fall.
So
that's
the
reason
for
the
lower
estimated
impact.
J
B
M
Mr
chairman,
that's
absolutely
correct
and
that's
why,
when
I
preface
conversation
about
the
five-year
return,
the
vast
difference
right
now
is
we're
at
four
point:
seven:
five
percent
fed
funds
rate
historically
we've
been
much
lower
than
that.
The
FED
has
very
been
very
aggressive
in
raising
interest
rates,
so
on
a
forward-looking
basis.
It
would
be
less
than
that.
There's
no
question
at
today's
interest
rate
environment.
M
If
you
think
rates
the
front
end
of
the
curve
is
going
to
stay
inverted
like
we
are
right
now,
then
the
savings
would
would
be
much
less
than
what
we're
looking
at,
but
that
is
an
anomaly
1980s.
M
B
You're
you're
you're
investing
in
more
than
just
fed
funds,
so
the
the.
M
Mr
chairman,
the
difference
is
remember
what
I
was
saying
in
the
state
agency
pool.
That's
where
the
reserve
accounts
are
housed
right
now:
okay,
okay,
so
that
is
in
cash.
Basically,
that's
your
checking
account
and
you
know,
checking
accounts
now
are
are
very
nice,
as
has
a
very
nice
return.
Thank.
I
Chairman
Matt
sucker
with
the
treasurer's
office,
Deputy
Williams,
did
point
out,
I,
don't
know
where
the
Wildlife
Trust
might
go,
but
if
you
do
decide
to
keep
it
and
and
change
with
the
reserve
account,
there
is
the
statutory
language
that
puts
it
in
pool
a
so
that
would
need
to
be
amended
as
well.
G
B
B
B
It's
been
moved
and
seconded
discussion.
We
have
two
amendments,
so
Senator,
I'm,
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
go
to
you.
You
showed
some
interest
in.
Do
you
have
an
interest
in
keeping
the
wildlife
natural
resource,
trust
in
the
bill.
N
O
Short
answer
is
yes,
but
not
it
sounds
what
it
sounds
like
to
me.
What
I
heard
based
on
the
testimony
is
that
that'd
be
something
that
we
need
to
talk
about,
and
it
seems
like
it's
got
another
couple
of
pieces
to
it
that
we'd
have
to
think
through
and
we'd
have
to
get
with
all
the
I
mean
I
want
to
get
with
I,
don't
know
what
that
would
do
to
the
trust
fund
itself.
Make
sure
that
it
would,
you
know,
do
everything
or
not
have
some
unintended
consequence,
but.
L
O
Know
sounds
like
an
interim,
an
interim
fix
to
me
at
least
at
this
bus,
unless
you've
got
something.
B
B
The
title
that
makes
me
a
little
bit
nervous,
I
mean
I,
don't
know
who
would
challenge
it
in
court,
but
we
shouldn't
be
monkeying
with
Bill
titles.
We
know
that
the
constitution,
but
I
just
on
something
this
big
and
this
important
I
don't
want
to
stick
something
in
there
at
the
last
minute
in
fail
time,
but.
B
B
The
first
is
01
to
delete
the
wildlife,
natural
resource,
trust
account
and
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
move
that
one
I.
D
B
No
motion
carries
the
next
amendment
is
to
delete
the
transfers,
and
that
is
one
that
we've
we've
had
Fairly
substantial
conversations
with
our
house
counterparts
as
well
as
the
executive's
office,
and
that
that
does
appear
to
be
a
prudent
thing
to
do,
because
we've
already
got
these
transfers
called
out
in
the
bill.
So.
O
H
So
Mr
chairman
Senator,
grew
in
short,
you
know
it
would
be
two
transfers
to
the
four
Reserve
accounts.
What
this
bill
would
do
different
than
the
budget.
The
budget
The
JCC
for
the
budget
sets
up
a
preference
or
a
priority,
basically
for
the
transfers
from
the
lsra
and
and
right
at
the
top
is
the
permanent
mineral
trust
fund
Corpus,
which
I
believe
was
a
position
held
held
by
the
by
your
side
of
the
of
the
of
the
capital.
H
E
E
B
H
Mr,
chairman
I,
think
generally,
you
bring
the
substitute
Bill
to
the
committee
for
the
committee
to
see
and
vote
on,
so
I
think.
That's
probably
something
that
should
have
been
contemplated.
Maybe
before
the
meeting
that
said,
I
mean
these
two
amendments
you
know,
as
drafted,
are
relatively
straightforward.
B
C
B
Okay
Brian:
will
you
do
a
markup
of
the
bill?
I
I
need
those
three
tables
and
a
markup
of
the
bill.
B
O
B
H
D
B
K
All
right,
yeah
I,
was
hiding
in
back
okay
Mr,
chairman
committee.
This
is
pretty
simple:
it
just
it's
compensation
for
well
depredation
in
the
Predator's
zone.
So
it's
pretty
simple.
We
changed
a
couple
things
as
it
came
before
us
page,
1,
914,
ready
to
start
anywhere.
It
mentions
a
date
of
2026.
We
amended
that
to
2028,
so
it
would
be
a
five-year
period.
K
So
through
the
bill,
we
we
changed
that
page
two
lines:
ten,
we
changed
contracts
to
agreements,
okay
and
then
you'll,
see
on
again
on.
Excuse
me
page
three
line
13
the
date
change
to
2028,
9
17
same
thing,
2028.,
it's
pretty
simple!
There
was
testimony
before
us
that
I
believe
it
was
last
year
the
payout
for
the
depredation
was
22
270
dollars,
damage
claims
that
were
paid
out
and
a
few
years
before
that
22,
465
and
I.
Don't
remember
what
exact
year
that
was!
K
Apparently,
in
the
past,
when
the
Wolves
were
listed
as
endangered,
there
was
a
program
that
would
pay
people
and
then,
when
they
were
delisted,
that
program
went
away
and
then
it
came
back
and
then
I
went
away
and
now
now
we're
in
a
situation
where
you
know
the
wolves
are
expanding,
they
used
to
just
be
in
my
part
of
the
world.
They
were
introduced
in
my
County
up
in
Yellowstone
and.
K
We've
been
very
fortunate
since
and
then
once
the
law
changed
to,
where
that
was
Trophy
and
outside
of
that
boundary
was
Predator
to
where
you
could
shoot
him
on
site.
K
If
you,
if
they
brought
down
some
livestock,
you
weren't
compensated.
So
this
just
merely
stands
that
program
back
up
to
where,
if
somebody
suffers
a
loss,
they
can
apply
for
compensation
and
there's
a
excuse.
Me,
sir
Mr
chairman.
K
There's
a
three
hundred
thousand
dollar
appropriation
from
the
general
fund
for
this
for
the
Department
of
Agriculture
from
administering
the
program
and
finding
the
damage
compensation
payments
they
will
work
with.
They
will
try
to
get
an
agreement
with
the
Wyoming
Game
and
Fish
Department,
because
I
I've
been
my
son-in-law,
manages
a
large
Ranch
next
to
my
property
and
I've
been
with
him
when
we've
found
these
depredations
and
you've
got
to
act
really
fast
and
fast,
whether
it's
wolf
or
Grizzly.
It's
both
in.
K
It
disappears
in
no
time
because
if
the
game
and
fish
can't
get
on
it
immediately,
Within
a
lesson
a
day.
Really
the
Eagles
come
in
Ravens
coyotes.
Well,
every
Predator,
not
mankind
Mankind,
and
then
they
can't
prove
that.
K
Okay,
that
that
what
did
this
in
my
country,
the
greatest
lady-
but
this
is
strictly
for
outside
of
the
trophy
game
area
and
they've
expanded
already
down
to
the
southern
part
of
the
state
and
have
formed
Apache
in
Northern,
the
state
below
us
here,
the
northern
part
of
that
state,
a
couple
packs
and
they're
roaming
back
and
forth
so
they're
expanding,
so
the
potential
for
more
depredation.
Is
there.
B
K
K
There
wasn't
much
testimony
okay
on
that
part
of
it.
Thank.
E
Question
two
was
that
fiscal
note
said
something
different
than
what's
in
the
bill,
but
that
300
000
is
for
four
years
I'm
assuming
five.
E
K
Right
Mr,
chairman
Senator
Anderson.
We
changed
that
all
those
dates
from
2026
to
2028.
B
K
That
appropriation
is
for
a
full
five
years
coming
this
June
so
five
years
in
a
few
months
time.
D
K
You
know
this
also
has
a
sunset
dated
for
five
years
and
they
did
not
expect.
K
Three
years
and
we
changed
it
to
the
five
and
they
there
was
no
testimony
as
to
why
that
three-year
time
frame
for
that
type
of
money,
and
we
changed
it
out
to
five
years
to
lessen
the
impact
of
that.
So,
okay.
B
L
You've
been
fortunate,
just
two
quick
points
to
clarify
this
in
the
trophy
area,
the
compensation
is
all
paid
by
The,
Game
and
Fish.
So
there's
no
general
fund
monies
involved
in
that
area,
where
the
major
portion
of
the
predation
occurs
in
the
rest
of
the
state.
When
wolves
were
delisting,
while
I'm
developed
this
plan
as
an
industry,
we
took
the
position
as
long
as
we
could
kill
the
wolves
on
site
as
a
predator,
that
we
weren't
seeking
any
compensation
and
previously
the
only
time
the
legislation
has
provided.
L
The
justification
here,
I
believe,
is
that,
because
of
those,
two
periods
of
re-listing
wolves
were
allowed
to
expand
and
grow
in
population
more
than
we
had
envisioned
and
that's
had
a
greater
impact
because
we
haven't
been
able
to
keep
up
through
removing
wolves
in
the
Predator
area.
So
this
is
provide
some
help,
hoping
over
this
period
of
time
we
can
catch
up
again.
L
It's
been
particularly
onerous
on
the
sheep
industry,
less
so
on
cattle,
but
the
hope
is
here
is
that
by
having
this
period
of
time
with
some
compensation-
and
this
is
only
for
the
actual
animals
that
are
damaged
or
killed-
it's
not
on
a
formula
like
in
the
trophy
there
where
we
get
paid
on
various
formulas.
L
This
is
a
single
single
payment
for
the
actual
damage,
and
that
will
help
us
get
to
that
point
that,
hopefully,
we'll
have
gotten
back
at
a
control
level
where
we
can
go
back
to
the
original
proposal
of
of
no
compensation
and
just
ability
to
remove
wolves
with
that
Mr
chairman
I'd
be
happy
guaranteeing
questions,
questions
from
Mr
mcgagner.
E
Yes,
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
in
previous
testimony.
We
heard
about
wolves
and
bears,
but
this
only
covers
wolves
is
that.
L
Correct
Mr,
chairman
sen,
Anderson,
that's
correct.
This
is
only
as
to
wolves.
Bears
grizzly
bears
again
are
are
covered
in
the
area
of
the
state
where
most
of
the
predation
is
occurring.
We'll
say
there
isn't
any
outside
of
that
area,
but
it
hasn't
reached
a
proportion
outside
of
the
the
area
where
the
Bears
are
protected
to
cause
us
to
to
be
seeking
any
conversation.
At
this
point
in
time.
L
B
P
Thank
you
for
having
us
today
we're
here
just
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
have
with
House
Bill
33.
Yesterday
we
already
went
through
Senate
education
and
reviewed
the
importance
of
funding
like
this
for
our
CTE
programs.
We
know
that
the
average
rate
of
our
current
Wyoming
students
is
81.8
percent.
That
CTE
graduation
rates
are
96.5
percent.
We
know
the
in-demand
industries,
77
percent
of
those
employers
report
hiring
their
employees
because
of
their
CTE
experience
and
skills,
and
we're
also
facing
a
tremendous
deficit
in
our
skilled
Workforce.
P
A
B
That
dealing
with
the
blog
Grant
welcome
Senator
Brennan.
B
Q
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
board,
so
House
Bill,
33,
School,
Finance,
Career,
Technical
education
grants.
This
just
allows
for
Grants
to
be
given
from
the
Department
of
Education
for
those
Career
and
Technical
education
opportunities
and
the
appropriation
on
that
is
in
section
three,
which
is
page
six
lines:
seven
and
eight,
and
it's
two
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars.
P
I
can
answer
some
of
those
questions
to
my
understanding.
This
restores
funding
that
was
cut
in
2021
for
these
grants
specifically
and
then
not
all
districts
can
receive
these
grants
if
they
already
have
I
believe
it's
ws21-12-105.
If
they
already
have
a
demonstration
Grant
going,
then
they
would
not
be
able
to
apply
for
these.
B
Okay,
further
through
the
panel
all
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Senator
Brennan
hockey,
Wednesday
heaven
and
we've
already
had
Department
comment:
I'll
open
it
up
to
and
you're
public
right,
I'll
open,
any
further
comment
from
departmental
or
public
hearing.
None
all
closed
comments
to
the
committee.
E
E
Mr
chairman
I
bring
you
House,
Bill
190,
Wyoming
value
added
energy
and
Industrial
plan
this.
This
comes
from
days
in
the
minerals
committee
that
we
were
trying
hard
to
come
up
with
a
way
to
maximize
our
exports
of
minerals
and
other
products.
So
this
bill
establishes
a
task
force
that
will
do
just
that
and
try
to
maximize
the
ability
of
state
of
Wyoming
to
capitalize
on
these
projects
and
we're
talking
globally.
E
Here
a
big
deal
on
this
is
co-export
facilities
that
could
be
not
necessarily
exported
in
the
United
States,
but
maybe
out
of
Mexico.
It's
a
hydrogen
project
projects
that
could
be
exported
out
of
Mexico.
It's
LNG
that
could
be
exported
out
of
the
out
of
the
Gulf
of
Mexico,
all
those
kind
of
things
that
we're
we're
hearing
about,
but
we
have
not
got
a
lot
of
people
working
on
it.
The
energy
Wyoming
energy
Association
has
asked
for
help
to
Market
this
thing
and
get
it
going,
and
so
this
is
what
it's
trying
to
do.
E
Page
six
shows
the
development
of
a
project
or
strategy
to
maximize
the
development
of
Wyoming's
energy
and
natural
resources.
Most
efficient,
sustainable
and
cost
effective,
then
line
20
projects
and
initiatives
to
encourage
the
development
of
liquid
natural
gas
export
facilities
using
Wyoming
produce
natural
gas
in
order
to
expand
the
use
of
warming,
lick
LNG
a
lot
of
LNG
things
going
on
in
the
Gulf,
but
not
convenient
for
Wyoming
LNG.
So
this
course
has
to
figure
out
where
would
be
a
likely
spot
for
us
to
have
an
LNG
facility.
E
We
we
need
to
have
LNG
liquid
facilities
in
the
state
to
process
and
move
this
LNG
to
the
place.
We
also
added
into
this
the
electronics
manufacturing
facilities
owned
by
domestic
or
International
companies
in
the
state
of
Wyoming.
This
was
from
economic
development
in
the
minerals
committee
also,
so
we
added
that
into
it.
E
You'll
see
on
on
page
seven
line,
paragraph
e
there
we
in
domestic
and
international
markets
for
natural
gas,
oil,
coal,
uranium
power,
nuclear
energy,
hydrogen
and
Manufacturing,
and
we
even
added
tourism
in
there
I
see
just
just
to
be
broad-based
there.
On
line
22,
we
went
into
deep
water
ports
to
export
Wyoming
non-renewable
natural
resources.
Those
deep
ports
probably
are
somewhere
in
the
Yucatan
Peninsula.
Then
the
other
thing
that
they're
supposed
to
do
on
page
eight
paragraph
four
is
make
recommendations
for
outreach,
marketing
trade
representation
and
international
relations.
E
So
that's
what
the
Bill's
all
about
just
trying
to
get
a
task
force.
That's
just
working
on
exporting
our
our
renewal,
non-renewable
and.
B
B
B
O
Usually,
where
I
come
from
Energy
Authority,
aren't
they
doing
this?
Isn't
the
Energy
Authority
doing
this
already.
E
A
Chairman
I
don't
mean
to
interrupt,
but
on
page
15
it
seems
that
the
small
VI
is
a
duplicate
on
page
14,
it's
repeated
twice
so
on
page
14
line,
22
number
six,
one
million
dollars.
It's
also
repeated
same
section
as
repeated
on
page
15
line.
Four.
A
D
B
D
B
Almost
a
good
catch,
okay
for
the
discussion
or
call
the
roll.
B
D
K
B
B
Tomorrow
morning,
so
so
we'll
carry
those
over
Linda
and
any
other
re-referrals,
and
so
we'll
have
I
think
you're
either
pop
we'll
have
Polly
here
on
lizra,
which
is
64.
and
then
I
don't
know.
If
there's
somebody
from
staff's
got
to
take
us
from
208
I
know
it
was
a
interim
committee
bill,
but
I
just
have
no
memory
of
what
the
heck
we
did
there.
We
had
so
many
all
right
committee.
Thank
you.