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As
it
turned
out,
the
wife
was
pregnant
and
delivered
on
Christmas
Eve
and
on
Christmas
day
Mama
brought
home
a
brand
new
baby
sister
for
their
son.
The
next
year
the
father
asked
his
young
son.
What
he
was
thinking
about
for
Christmas
son
said
well.
If
it
would
make
Mom
too
uncomfortable,
I.
Think
I'd,
like
a
pony.
E
G
We
have
the
Department
of
Revenue.
Please
proceed
him
good
morning
good
morning.
H
Good
morning,
it's
kind
of
a
gloomy
Monday
morning,
but
I
I'm,
hoping
to
cheer
you
up
a
little
bit
got
the
question
this
morning
about
well
the
Department
of
Revenue.
What's
going
on
at
the
Department
of
Revenue,
so
we're
collecting
money
and
shipping
booze
it's
important
in
Wyoming.
H
Target
absolutely
so
members
of
the
committee
chairman
Nicholas
co-chairman,
Kinski
Brenda
Henson,
director
of
the
Department
of
Revenue
pleasure,
to
be
here
today.
It's
great
to
see
new
faces,
the
faces
of
those
that
have
dedicated
years
to
this
committee
and
the
learning
curve
is
steep.
Quite
honestly,
I
find
the
challenge
of
tracking
revenue
and
expenditures
for
the
state
of
Wyoming
to
be
one
of
those
things
where
you
just
think,
you've
got
it
figured
out
and
then
something
else
comes
up
and
you're
like
oh
yeah.
I
need
to
consider
that.
H
Today
it
has
been
a
a
busy
year
since
I
sat
before
you
last
full
of
challenges,
a
lot
of
opportunity,
a
lot
of
changes,
but
a
lot
of
accomplishes
accomplishments
as
well
with
me
today,
I
have
Christy
Urich
she's,
our
Chief
Financial
Officer
at
the
Department
of
Revenue,
along
with
the
manager
of
the
administrative
services
division
with
me
behind
me,
I
have
Craig
grenvic
the
mineral
tax
division,
administrator,
Brett,
Lucero,
Brett,
Banning
excise
division,
administrator
Brian,
Judkins
property
tax
division,
administrator
and
Taman
Toya,
The,
Liquor,
Division
administrator
and
believe
me
I'm,
blessed
to
have
such
a
team
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
2324
overall
budget,
353
million
333
558
seems
like
a
lot
but
keeping
in
mind
that
275
million
of
that
is
spending
Authority
for
the
Liquor
Division,
along
with
42
million.
H
That
includes
the
transfers
that
we
make
to
the
general
fund
from
liquor
sales,
which
really
leaves
36
million
333
558
as
the
actual
operating
budget
for
the
Department
of
Revenue,
and
of
that
over
20
million
or
56
percent
of
our
budget
is
for
series
100
or
positions.
We
have
a
total
position.
Count
of
119.
68
of
those
positions
are
located
in
the
herschler
East
Building
I've
got
eight
satellite
offices
across
the
state
for
excise
tax
enforcement
and
Collections,
and
then
we've
got
51
employees
out
of
the
Wyoming
Liquor
Division.
H
So
I
laugh
about
Revenue
collections.
But
let's
just
talk
about
that
briefly,
so
with
sales
and
use
cigarette
and
other
tobacco
prepaid,
wireless,
private,
rail
car,
PSC
annual
assessments,
wind
generation
and
mineral
Severance
tax
collections,
historical
for
the
2019
biennium,
our
collections
were
3
billion,
498
million
plus
for
the
21
biennium
3
billion
803
million,
plus.
I
H
Was
an
eight
percent
increase
over
that
biennium
fiscal
or
year
21?
We
saw
one
and
a
half
billion
in
fiscal
year,
22
2.2
billion
and
to
date
for
fiscal
year
23.
We
are
already
after
five
months
at
one
billion
477
million
nine
hundred
two
thousand
plus.
So
we
are
almost
after
five
months
where
we
were
for
total
fiscal
year
21..
H
H
Obviously,
inflation
has
a
lot
to
do
with
some
of
that.
Those
numbers
and
the
other
piece
that
I've
not
even
touched
on
are
the
Administration
and
collection
of
the
monthly
ad
valorem
and
we'll
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
more.
When
we
go
to
the
mineral
tax
divisions
budget
requests,
but
with
that,
if
it
pleases,
the
committee
I'd
like
to
proceed
with
our
supplemental
budget.
H
If
I
draw
your
attention
to
page
10
of
our
budget,
we
have
five
requests
this
year.
The
top
three
are
positions
you
may
recall.
The
committee
asked
several
questions
last
year,
related
to
Staffing
at
the
Department
of
Revenue,
and
my
response
at
that
time
was
until
it's
proven
that
we
need
those
additional
positions.
I'll
not
ask
well
I
humbly,
come
before
you
today,
asking
for
three
positions:
one
in
administrative
Services,
one
in
the
mineral
tax
division
and
one
out
at
the
Wyoming,
Liquor,
Division
and
I'll
detail.
H
Why
I
truly
believe
it
is
necessary
at
this
point
for
those
three
positions
keeping
in
mind
we
took
on
the
mentally
ad
valorem,
but
not
only
that
we
also
expanded
our
duties
by
including
the
revised
lodging
and
the
municipal
option
taxes
over
the
last
year.
H
H
Position
cost
of
that
position
with
Benefits
108
623
dollars.
This
division
consisted
of
11
staff
in
2009..
Today
we
have
eight
during
the
covid
reductions.
We
gave
back
one
position
at
the
time
that
position
was
not
completely
but
mostly
focused
on
administering
the
property
tax
refund
program
and
during
the
coveted
reductions.
H
Of
course,
that
program
was
not
funded
so
and,
as
circumstance
would
have
it.
It
was
vacant.
So
we
gave
up
that
position.
As
you
know,
this
body
passed
three
million
dollars
to
fund
the
property
tax
refund
program
and
we
sent
out
app
refunds
in
2021
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
when
we
get
down
to
where
that
line
item
is
in
the
property
tax
divisions
budget,
but
administrative
Services
administers
that,
and
we
are
asking
to
have
that
position
put
back
in
our
budget.
H
The
other
part
of
that
is
during
this
past
year.
Honestly,
what
we
had
to
do
is
we
had
to
ask
for
resources
from
the
other
divisions,
to
help
out
during
those
busy
times
in
the
administrative
Services
area,
right
now,
I'm
pleased
to
say
we're
fully
staffed.
That
was
another
challenge
and
you
will
hear
a
constant
theme
from
the
Department
of
Revenue
in
appreciation
for
the
compensation
and
salary
adjustments
that
the
legislature
made
last
year,
because
it
truly
did
help
us
as
we
tried
to
fill
those
vacant
positions.
H
So
we
are
all
eight
positions
are
filled
today,
but
we
do
ask
for
one
more
position
for
the
next
biennium
you'll
see
that
it's
broken
out,
I
believe
it
was
discussed
last
week,
director,
Hibbard
and
the
budget
office
explained
how
they're
asking
for
one-time
funds
to
fund
those
positions,
starting
April
1st
and
then
ongoing
funds
for
the
position
in
future
budget
years
in
the
standard
budget.
So
with
that
I'd
like
to
turn
to
page
17
the
excise
tax
division
budget,
we
have
34
employees
in
the
excise
tax
division.
This
ask
is
for
postage.
H
So
again
we
had
coveted
reductions
on
our
postage
budget,
but,
quite
frankly,
we
even
though
we
continue
every
year
to
handle
as
much
as
we
can
via
online
digital
Communications,
there's
still
a
need
for
sending
out
Billings
newsletters
those
types
of
things,
and
so
we
had
a
shortfall
in
our
postage
budget
for
2122.
H
We
spent
214
thousand
dollars
that
biennium
we
have
spent
in
just
five
months,
fifty
six
thousand
dollars
of
our
195
000
budget
and
at
an
average
of
eleven
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
per
month
for
the
remaining
19
months,
we're
projecting
a
shortfall
of,
and
we
believe
that
our
budget
would
be
over
23
500
at
minion
at
minimum.
So
I
am
asking
for
an
additional
thirty
thousand
dollars
for
postage.
As
you
know,
the
postage
rates
have
gone
up
as
well.
So
we
would
appreciate
your
support
with
that.
Ask
jumping.
E
H
Mr,
chairman
and
representative
Schwartz,
that's
a
priority.
We
continue
to
expand
our
capabilities
within
our
Ys
or
online
system,
but
quite
honestly,
not
all
any
time
you
move
towards
electronic
dissemination
of
information,
you're
still
going
to
have
those
vendors,
those
licensees
that
they
just
don't
do
business.
That
way,
and
so
we
still
are
required
to
send
out
those
statements
and
honestly,
with
the
increased
number
of
vendors,
that
we've
got
to
provide
information
to
we're
fortunate
that
we've
been
able
to
keep
up
as
well
as
we
have
with
our
postage
budget.
H
Mr,
chairman
representative,
Schwartz
I,
think
I'll
turn
that
over
to
Christy
and
let
her
share
a
little
bit
more
information
related
to
the
Daily,
the
mailings
that
we've
got
and
what
type
of
mailings
those
entail.
J
We
do
do
several
mailings.
Obviously
our
electronic
filing
is
generally
higher
than
our
paper.
J
So
we
have
about
a
70
electronic
filing
currently,
which
is
pretty
high.
We
still
get
obviously
notices
that
we
have
to
send
out
on
a
monthly
basis
that
require
an
account,
a
monthly
account
statement,
credit
notices,
payment
plan,
notices,
other
things
like
that.
As
far
as
age,
there
is
really
no
way
for
us
to
tell
that
currently.
K
J
H
Thank
you
for
the
questions
we
will
definitely
if,
if
it
is
appropriate
that
it
would
be
statutory,
I
will
definitely
approach
the
committee
with
that
recommendation.
I
will
say
that
the
key
is,
we
want
to
make
sure,
everything's
transparent
and
we're
getting
the
information
out
to
all
of
the
vendors,
and
so
in
whatever
mechanism
many
times
we're
providing,
for
example,
when
rates
change,
if
you've
got
you
know
they
go
from
five
percent
to
six
percent.
H
M
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
good
morning,
director
good
to
see
you
just
building
on
this
last
few
questions
and
it's
kind
of
tied,
I.
Think
to
the
you
know:
retention
of
personnel
potential
staff
in
terms
of
the
facilitating
the
work
environment,
making
it
easier
on
folks.
M
Is
there
any
way,
or
is
there
currently
a
device
that
state
could
could
provide
at
the
expense
of
the
vendor
to
automate
their
communication?
With
with
our
our
agency,
you
know,
for
example,
in
a
banking
system,
we
have
a
device,
that's
provided
in
the
private
sector,
where
you
can
have
it
in
your
business
and
when
you
get
checks,
it's
kind
of
a
bridge
from
the
old
way
to
the
new
way.
But
when
you
get
checks,
you
put
them
in
there.
M
It's
automatically
deposit
I'd
like
to
know
if,
if
we
have
an
idea
of
when
we
are
or
what
systems
that
we're
using
now,
that
can
be,
can
be
automated
to
make
to
make
the
opportunity
for
more
value
out
of
the
hardware,
and
so
on
that
we
have
in
place
and
the
software,
but
also
to
facilitate
that
transition
from
the
from
the
old
way
to
the
new
way.
In
terms
of
communication.
H
Mr,
chairman
representative
Henderson,
so
as
we,
we
have
multiple
ways
that
taxpayers
can
make
payment,
and
as
far
as
that,
digital
communication,
we
have
an
online
system
where
all
business
can
be
conducted
via
online.
They
can
make
payment,
they
can
check
balances
communication
quite
regularly.
The
majority
of
our
communication
with
our
vendors
is
digital.
It's
email.
We
track
all
of
those
emails
within
our
cots
solution,
our
program
that
we
use
for
the
excise
tax
division,
even
if
we're
doing
manual
and
using
postage,
that's
still
tracked
within
our
electronic
system.
E
J
Foreign
Nicholas,
representative
Kenner,
yes,
we
we
allow
all
electronic
filing
as
well
as
payments.
Our
payments
are
also
electronically
done
and
the
majority
of
the
payments
are
used
electronically
and
we
provide
a
automated
check
deposit
as
well
to
the
bank.
So
we
do
provide
that
mechanism.
It's
just.
There
is
several
people
that
just
choose
to
still
file
manually.
M
I
guess
the
the
the
follow-up
is
a
few
years
ago,
as
I
recall,
there
was
some
some
funding
provided
to
acquire
some.
Some
software
to
you
know
to
help
with
the
efficiencies
and
in
your
in
your
very
nice
report.
I
think
it's
a
hundred
page
one,
but
it
there's.
It
refers
to
the
cost
efficiency.
Could
you
give
a
little
example
or
two
of
what
those
efficiencies
are?
Please
thank
you.
H
So
Mr,
chairman
representative,
Henderson,
so
you're
right,
we
have
an
online.
We
have
a
contract
with
a
vendor
that
provides
our
programming
for
the
excise
tax
division,
administrative
services
and
the
mineral
tax
division,
and
we
are
constantly
looking
at
that
system
and
providing
working
with
a
vendor
to
see
how
we
can
make
that
more
efficient.
Quite
honestly,
we
could
not
have
kept
up
with
the
vast
number.
As
you
may
recall,
when
we
went
had
the
marketplace,
facilitators,
laws,
change
and
we
started
collecting
and
having
remittances
I
mean
those
numbers
have
hate
to
use.
H
You
know,
as
far
as
being
able
to
streamline
those
payments,
so
I
I
do
believe
that,
in
order
to
collect
the
type
of
numbers
that
I
reported
to
you
that
were
reporting
the
1.4
billion
in
five
months,
definitely
technology
is
the
only
way
that
we're
accomplishing
that
in
a
timely
manner.
Thank
you
with
that.
If
I
may
I'd
like
to
move
to
page
19
the
mineral
tax
division,
we
have
15
full-time
employees
in
the
mental
tax
division,
we're
asking
for
one
more
again.
H
This
was
a
position
that
we
gave
up
during
the
covid
time
period.
We
had
a
vacancy
and
because
of
our
budget
being
so
Personnel
heavy
when
we
were
going
through
the
reductions
that
were
required,
we
had
to
we
had
to
cut
those
positions
and
we
have
not
filled
those
obviously,
but
I
am
asking
to
have
that
position
reinstated,
you'll
notice
that
it's
broken
out,
117
044
general
fund
and
thirty,
two
thousand
three,
oh
four
from
the
highway
department.
H
Historically,
there's
been
an
agreement,
I
believe
since
the
1970s,
where
basically
for
the
mineral
tax
division,
the
Department
of
Transportation
picks
up
27.6
percent
of
our
Personnel
costs
and
we
have
considered
moving
all
of
that
funding
to
the
Department
of
Revenue.
But
it's
been
my
understanding
that
they
that
you
prefer
to
have
it
left
the
way
it
is
with
the
breakout,
but
that
is
a
choice
that
you
can
make.
Obviously,
the
monthly
ad
alarm
Tax
Administration
has
and
will
continue
to
impact
our
staff
workload.
H
I
provided
a
report
to
the
committee
related
to
our
collections
this
year.
As
you
know,
that
law
went
into
effect,
January,
1
2022,
so
with
January's
production
we
started
collecting
you'll
see
that
over
eight
months
production
we
have
collected.
Basically
it's
been
reported
to
us.
We've
invoiced
we've
collected
over
668
million
dollars
to
County
treasures
across
the
state,
I
believe,
just
as
a
side
note
to
know.
H
668
million
collected
one
and
a
half
million
dollars
that
were
still
trying
to
collect
and
that's
2022
production
keep
in
mind.
2022
production
is
not
due
and
payable
as
far
as
when
we
know
exactly
what
the
mill
levies
are
until
September
of
2024,
but
these
are
funds
that
these
companies
have
paid
in
advance
as
an
estimate
and
those
have
been
distributed.
N
Morning,
director,
yeah
I
think
we
need
to
highlight
that
just
a
bit
I
think
that,
because.
N
N
This
off
and
we
built
in
safeguards
to
make
sure
that
if
something
fell
down
that
we
tried
to
pick
it
up
and
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge
director,
we
didn't
need
any
of
them.
You
guys
pulled
it
off
along
with,
along
with
the
changes
in
The,
Liquor
Division.
Those
are
two
big
lists
in
your
department.
So
far,
so
good
I
really
appreciate
it.
Thank.
H
You
Mr
chairman
Senator
Guru
it.
It
truly
was
the
changes
that
this
body,
as
you
recall,
during
the
2022
session,
we
had
an
amendment.
We
had
an
ask.
The
original
Bill
required
the
companies
each
of
the
producers
to
determine
what
tax
District
that
production
was
in.
What
the
mill
Levy
was,
what
that
estimated
tax
amount
was
and
submit
that
we
came
to
this
body
with
a
request
that
that
be
amended,
that
we
would
use
the
severance
tax
reported
number
for
taxable
value.
H
H
That
was
the
turning
point
where
we
knew
we
could
pull
it
off
and
a
big
thanks
to
Craig
renvic
and
his
division
for
months
of
meetings,
we're
still
meeting
twice
a
week,
as
you
know,
there's
a
provision
for
interest
and
penalty.
H
We
meaning
I,
made
the
choice
this
year,
since
this
was
a
big
transition
that
I
would
not
assess
interest
and
penalty.
This
first
year,
because
it
was
a
big
change
for
producers,
the
counties
and
but
January
1
2023.
When
we
start,
you
know
administering
that
collection.
H
Now
we're
going
to
start
administering
and
collecting
interest
and
penalty
for
those
companies
that
don't
file
and
pay
in
a
timely
manner,
but
I
believe
that
those
will
be
few
and
far
between
based
on
my
experience
from
2022.
But
thank
you
for
the
kind
comments
I
appreciate
it.
A
A
H
Let's
move
to
page
22,
and
that
is
where
our
budget
you'll
see
on
the
top
of
the
page
there,
the
property
tax
refund
program
and
the
three
million
dollar
appropriation.
H
We
did
not
include
any
additional
funds
in
our
budget.
We
did
suggest
to
this
committee
that
an
additional
million
dollars
would
be
necessary
and
that's
based
on
the
report
that
you
have
in
front
of
you
of
what
we
refunded
for
2021
refunds.
So
what
happens?
Is
taxes
have
to
be
paid
by
the
taxpayer,
then
no
later
than
the
first
Monday
in
June
they
have
to
of
the
Year
following
the
tax
year.
H
1.8
million
plus
was
sent
out
in
checks
to
over
three
thousand
the
number
there
quickly.
Three
thousand
eighty-five
total
recipients.
We
did
have
4
395
applications
I've,
provided
you
a
comparison
of
the
2019
that
was
the
last
year
that
it
was
funded
substantially
different.
Look,
you
know:
we've
sent
out
1
411
checks
that
year
and
a
little
over
750
000
in
refunds.
H
So
we
had
used
that
information
to
give
this
body
an
estimate
of
three
million
dollars
for
the
biennium
thinking
a
one
and
a
half
million
per
year
for
tax
refunds.
We
missed
it
a
little
bit,
and
so
we
would
suggest
and
support
the
governor's.
Ask
I
believe
you'll
be
receiving
a
letter
from
the
governor.
He
supports
asking
for
an
additional
one
million
dollars
now
keep
in
mind.
Revenue
committee
has
sponsored
a
bill
that
will
be
entertained
by
this
body
for
2023.
That
would
expand
the
qualifications
and
the
amount
of
those
refunds.
H
This
one
million
dollars
is
status
quo.
We
need
an
additional
million
We
Believe
to
fund
the
refunds
for
2022
with
the
statutes
as
it
exists
today,
so
we're
in
the
midst
of
working
on
a
fiscal
note.
That
would
be
accounting
for
those
amendments
that
any
legislation
that
you'll
consider
in
2023
may
have
so
I'm.
E
Thank
you
so
there's
also
now
a
county
option
real
estate.
No,
that's
not
the
one.
It's
a
property
tax
refund
actually
and
I
know.
Teton
County
is
taking
going
to
take
advantage
of
that
and
I'm.
My
understanding
is,
they
will
have
you
administer
it.
So
it's
a
two-part
question
one.
Will
that
be
add
much
to
your
efforts
in
that
program
and
to
our
other
counties
pursuing
that
option.
H
H
So
we've
been
working
with
a
revenue
committee
and
I
think
we've
got
some
answers
to
that
concern,
but
I
do
know
that
there
are
some
counties
that
are
going
to
work
with
ETS
I
believe
we've
got
Tim
Sheehan
is
I
believe
in
the
audience
and
I
believe
he
met
with
one
or
two
of
the
County
treasures
just
last
week
to
explore
what
that
would
look
like
for
County
treasures
to
use
our
software.
A
H
Okay
with
that,
let's
turn
to
page
23
the
property
tax
division.
During
the
coveted
reductions
we
had
the
educational
training
Provisions.
This
is
employee,
professional
development
training.
This
was
cut
in
half
during
the
covert
reductions
and
I'm
asking
that
it
be
restored.
This
restores
the
funding
that
we've
had
historically
in
the
property
tax
division
to
provide
appraisal
education
for
County
Assessors
and
their
staff
across
the
state.
Currently,
we've
got
170
employees
in
County,
Assessors
offices
that
are
required.
H
You
know
if
they,
if
their
jobs,
require
that
they
make
decisions
that
determine
valuation
for
property
tax
purposes,
they're
required
to
be
certified
by
the
Department
of
Revenue.
In
addition,
this
year
we've
got
seven
newly
elected
County
Assessors
across
the
state
we
like
having
Hands-On
we
like
going
to
those
counties
visiting
with
those
employees
and
County
Assessors
and
their
staff
to
provide
them
with
training.
But
that
being
said,
those
costs
are
also
going
up,
but
I'm
not
increasing
I'm,
just
asking
that
this
dollar
amount
the
seventy
seven
thousand
seven.
H
Seventy
five:
that's
what
our
current
budget
is
now
I'm,
just
asking
for
it
to
be
restored
because
it
was
cut
in
half
during
the
coveted
reductions,
but
when
we
hire
Educators
to
come
in
from
other
states
to
provide
that
training,
those
costs
are
higher
because,
as
you
know,
inflation
has
just
run
up.
All
of
the
cost
travel
costs
are
higher,
lodging
is
higher
so,
and
we
have
for
the
first
time
this
past
year,
the
Brian
Judkins,
the
property
tax
division
administrator.
H
We
delve
into
actually
providing
credit
for
online
forces
and
education,
and
the
first
experience
that
we
had.
While
there
were
a
few
bugs
to
work
out,
it
seems
to
have
worked
and
I
think
we'll
get
better
at
that.
I
will
tell
you,
however,
there
is
no
substitute
for
face-to-face
ability
to
talk
to
that
education
instructor
after
the
class
on
breaks
I'm
having
a
little
trouble
with
the
math
on
this
particular
calculation.
H
G
H
Mr
chairman,
it
is
not
this
money
does
not
go
towards
our
computer
system
mass
appraisal
system.
Now,
if
we
have
a
training
session,
we
need
to,
you
know,
have
a
facility,
those
types
of
things,
so
if
it's
actual
training
on
the
camera
system,
yes,
so
this
is
more
geared
towards
our
International
Association
of
assessing
officers,
professionals
that
we
hire
to
come
in
and
teach
week-long
appraisal
courses
related
to
appraisal
Theory.
H
You
know,
statistics
mapping,
those
types
of
things,
that's
really
what
it's
geared
more
towards,
and
that's
so,
basically
with
seventy
seven
thousand
seven,
seventy
five
that's
per
year.
We
use
that
if
you'll
restore
that
second
half
otherwise,
half
of
that
is
all
we've
got
per
year
to
provide
that
training
in
and
it's
very
very
difficult
to
in.
H
H
A
H
G
It's
just
a
question
not
so
much
on
the
program
that
just
the
location
of
where
you've
got
this
on
your
budget
under
your
dues
and
license
registration
on
page
24.
I'm
just
is
that
the
appropriate
place
where
this
should
belong
within
the
budget,
given
the
nature
that
it's
more
of
an
education
function.
So
just
a
little
explanation.
G
H
Chim
and
Senator
Hicks,
so
we've
got
two
parts
to
this,
so
the
the
actual
instructor
and
their
contract
would
be
under
900
series,
but
then
the
all
of
the
books,
the
materials
all
of
the
supplies
that
are
utilized
for
those
classes
would
be
under
this
line.
So
it's
it's
twofold,
but
we
don't
need
any
additional
money
in
the
900
series,
but
we
do
need
for
the
materials
and
resources
so.
D
H
Mr
chairman,
that
brings
us
to
the
Wyoming
Liquor
Division,
Pages,
27
and
28.
As
stated
previously,
we
are
asking
for
one
full-time,
employee,
126
251.
This
is
for
a
senior
inspection
specialist,
so
the
compliance
division
is
responsible
for
reviewing
over
2
900
liquor
licenses.
The
applications
and
those
that
are
issued
by
the
local
licensing
authorities
must
be
reviewed
within
10
working
days
by
a
statute.
H
We're
also
responsible
for
issuing
licenses
for
industry,
reps
malt
beverage
wholesalers,
manufacturers
to
con
include
distillers
and
refiners,
the
importers
and
the
wine
direct
shippers,
and
so
compliance
agents
conduct
on-site
inspections
of
liquor.
Licensee
holders
perform
the
retailer
education
for
responsible
service
of
alcohol
via
the
tips
program.
They
process
claims
for
returned
or
damaged
merchandise.
H
They
also
provide
classes
to
your
local,
County
and
City
Clerks
on
how
to
administer
those
local
licenses.
Right
now
we
have
one
supervisor
and
two
employees
that
have
the
responsibility
of
administering
that.
Unfortunately,
over
the
past
couple
years
and
during
covid
we
weren't
able
to
do
the
traveling.
We
weren't
able
to
go
on
site
and
there
have
been
a
lot
of
changes
out
there
as
far
as
those
retailers
and
who
are
in
those
ownership
and
and
managing
those.
So
we
really
have
started
in
April
of
2022.
H
We
started
traveling
again,
but
what
it
has
done
is
it
makes
it
very,
very
difficult
for
us
to
keep
up
with
our
workload
in
the
office
and
to
implement
and
create
those
relationships.
We
believe
in
compliance
through
education.
We
believe
in
being
that
partner
with
those
companies
and
we
need
to
build
those
relationships.
H
But
what's
happened
is
I,
just
don't
have
enough
staff
on
board
to
cover,
and
you
know,
they're
working
additional
hours.
Unfortunately,
it's
a
mandatory
overtime
situation
because
we
have
statutory
deadlines.
We
have
to
meet
so
they
they
spend
at
least
a
week
a
month
on
the
road
traveling
throughout
Wyoming
and
I
would
ask
that
we
add
one
position
in
the
compliance
area.
O
H
O
D
O
Also
seen
some
huge
growth
in
The
Liquor
Division
in
sales,
this
is
funded
through
your
special
fund,
your
Revenue
fund,
it's
sound,
you
can
handle
it,
but
you're
also
hand
on
and
considerably
more
volume
in
in
this.
Could
you
just
briefly
remind
us
of
what
that
is
to
because
it
kind
of
supports
what
you're
trying
to
ask
for
foreign.
H
What
we're
finding
is
that
there
are
two
things
impacting
that
customer
preferences
have
changed
substantially
over
the
last
few
years
in
that
we
foreign
we're
having
to
carry
much
broader
selection
of
products.
H
The
other
part
of
that,
of
course,
is
that
the
prices
have
increased,
and
so
that's
part
of
the
reason
for
that
increased
sales
number,
but
that
the
focus
of
the
Liquor
Division
has
changed
somewhat
and
I
I
wanted
to
give
just
an
overview
of
kind
of
where
we're
at
at
the
Wyoming
Liquor
Division
I,
don't
know
if
it's
appropriate
to
delve
into
that
I'm,
really
with
the
ask
of
the
one
additional
compliance
person
person.
H
C
Director
Hansen
with
respect
to
the
compliance
officer,
it's
my
understanding
that
this
person
will
be
looking
at
compliance
by
liquor,
licensees
so
and
I
have
a
slightly
different
question.
C
One
is
that
jewelry
stores,
barber
shops
and
Spas
are
not
allowed
to
offer
Wine
and
Spirits
to
their
customers
unless
they
have
a
liquor
license,
and
yet
those
businesses
that
do
that
without
a
liquor
license,
they
appear
to
be
invisible
to
your
agency.
In
other
words,
the
compliance
officers,
don't
monitor
them
because
well,
they're,
not
licensees.
H
Chairman
representative
stiff,
if
I
may,
I
would
like
to
bring
up
Tom
Montoya
from
the
Wyoming
Liquor
Division
and
get
his
take
on
that.
Obviously,
that
is
expansive
I
mean
to
the
types
of
businesses
that
you
mentioned.
H
There
are
other
things
that
we've
discussed
in
other
types
of
businesses
and
and
how
we're
monitoring
compliance
is
a
very
unique
situation
related
to
the
Wyoming
Liquor
Division,
and
thank
you
for
joining
us
Tom
I.
Let
him
take
off
from
there.
A
P
Right
time,
welcome
to
key
committee
Mr
chairman
committee,
representative,
stiff,
you
know:
we've
seen
that
scenario
for
30
years.
In
the
time
that
I've
been
with
the
Liquor
Division
and
usually
how
we
know
about
that
is
locals
or
phone
calls.
Somebody
will
call
us
and
say
that
you
know
especially
barber
shops,
hair
salons,
especially
but
the
definition
of
sale
in
title
12
does
not
allow
that,
because
that
is
kind
of
like
the
carrot
on
the
you
know
or
more.
P
And
basically,
what
the
sale
says
that
it's
an
inducement
for
patronage
which
violates
statute.
It
creates
a
sale,
so
they
would
have
to
have
a
license
to
do
that
now,
like
for
grand
openings
or
something
like
that,
there
are
one
day
permits
that
they
can
get
for
something
like
that.
But
you
know
for.
P
O
O
How
does
our
Revenue
that
you're,
taking
in
now,
compare
to
like
2008
2010
when
we
were
really
you
don't
own
a
much
healthier
economy
than
we
are
now,
and
then
that
comes
back
to
your
request
for
these
getting
these
positions
back
how,
when
we
were
moving
along
at
a
much
healthier
economy?
How
do
how
do
these?
Your
total
overall
positions
compared
to
then.
H
Mr
chairman
I,
believe
in
this
notebook
I
have
the
historical
numbers
for
sales
and
use
tax
and
we're
flipping
through
that
right
now
our
staff
numbers
related
to
the
excise
tax
division,
I
believe
and
I
know.
Brett
would
have
this
number
better
than
I
I
believe
we
had
39
employees
back
in
that
2008
time
period
and
we're
at
34
now,
but
the
number
of
licenses
have
doubled
since
that
time
period.
But
again
we
try
and
use
technology
to
ensure
that
we're
providing
the
service
to
our
customers.
H
N
H
Mr
chairman,
if,
if
you
wish
I've
just
got
a
few
brief
comments,
I'll
I'll
share
that
message
and
then
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
follow-up
questions
fair
enough.
Mr.
H
G
Ahead,
yeah
Brendan
a
question
with
the
this
position
within
the
Liquor
Division
A
couple
of
years
ago.
Senator
grew
up
volunteered
to
come
down
and
work
in
the
warehouse.
You
know
during
the
month
of
December
to
help
load,
trucks
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
he
would
do
that
on
an
annual
basis.
Whether
you
could
shift
a
position
for
this
inspector.
That
was
some
kind
of
agreement
that
maybe
you
could
work
out
with
the
senator
Guru.
H
G
Phil
Mr,
chairman
I,
do
have
a
serious
question
and
when
I
look
at
this,
and
because
this
this
position
is
going
to
come
out
of
your
Enterprise
fund
and
currently
the
balance
in
there
is
about
4.1
million.
So
this
creates
an
additional
drain
on
that
Enterprise
fund
and
any
money
that
we
take
out
of
there.
Any
surplus
normally
runs
back
to
the
general
fund,
but
do
you
see
this
is
going
to
be
sufficient
level
of
funding
to
continue
or
are
we
going
to
continue
to
see
a
drain
on
those
reserves?
With
this
additional
position.
H
H
I.
Don't
believe
that
this
one
position
is
going
to
be
significant,
and
once
we
get
the
new
system
in
place,
the
maintenance
costs
of
that
will
be
very
reasonable
and
so
again
we're
really
focused
on
the
future.
While
we've
got
a
lot
on
our
plate,
the
next
six
to
12
months,
that
is
going
to
impact
those
that
Revenue
stream
I
believe
in
the
long
term
that
investment
in
another
compliance
officer
will
return
Rewards.
G
A
H
So
Mr
chairman
Senator
Hicks,
I'll
kind
of
give
you
an
idea.
Here's
here's
where
we're
at
and
I
hope
that
the
committee
members
have
been
receiving
I've,
sent
a
couple
of
newsletters
out
trying
to
ensure
that
you
see
where
we're
at
in
August
of
2021
Mr
Montoya
came
on
in
mid-july
of
21
I
came
on
board
with
the
Department
of
Revenue
on
August,
2nd
2021,
and
we
started
that
process
immediately.
The
RFP
process.
In
writing
that
request
for
proposals
that
entire
process
took
almost
a
year.
H
We
finally
awarded
a
contract
in
July
of
2022
to
a
company
by
the
name
of
blue
horseshoe.
Accenture
LLP,
as
previously
reported,
were
pleased
to
say
that
that
company
has
assisted
six
other
control
States
in
in
a
software
implementation
so
and
I
can
tell
you
that,
with
the
daily
work
that
we've
had
with
this
company,
it's
evident.
They
know
the
right
questions.
They
know
what
needs
to
be
done.
As
we
speak
and
last
week
they
just
started
to
roll
out
our
test
pilot.
One.
D
H
That
is
where
the
staff
at
the
liquor
division
is
working
with
the
vendor.
It's
called
fit
Gap
analysis.
What
can
we
use?
That's
out
of
the
box?
What
do
we
need
to
tweak
a
little
bit
in
order
to
be
compliant
with
Wyoming
statute
and
how
we
work,
even
though
there
are
six
other
control
States,
the
models
out
there
for
how
alcohol
is
administered
are
different
as
night
and
day
across
those
States.
As
you
know,
some
states
have
retail
stores
that
they
operate.
Some
states
are
bailment
states
where
they,
they
don't
actually
own
the
product.
H
You
know
in
Wyoming
we
buy
the
product,
we
own
it,
and
then
we
sell
it.
Those
are
all
different
things
that
we
have
to
work
out
with
that
vendor,
but
we're
excited
about
the
way
that
product
is
functioning
and
we
don't
see
that
there
are
a
lot
of
adaptations
that
need
to
be
done,
but
definitely
there
are
a
few
we're
excited
that
the
just
naming
it
was
a
so
we
are
liquor.
365
that'll,
be
the
new
software
in
liquor.
H
365
online
will
be
that
retailer
portal,
where
they'll
Place
their
orders
and
we've
been
including
the
retailers
and
the
industry
reps
in
our
discussions
as
we've
moved
forward.
One
of
the
things
that's
interesting
that
we
needed
to
consider
was
almost
54
of
our
Wyoming
liquor.
Retailers
spend
less
than
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
a
year
at
the
Wyoming
Liquor
Division
over
54
percent.
H
We
really
do
have
a
mom
and
pop
retail
Market
out
there.
We've
only
got
5.7
percent
of
our
retailers
that
spend
over
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year,
so
the
business
model
in
ensuring
that
these
small
companies
have
sufficient
Supply
and
that
they
aren't
required
to
come
up
with
a
lot
of
capital
to
buy
this
product.
You
know
we
have
to
split
cases.
We
have
to
be
able
to
provide
that
type
of
experience
for
our
retailers,
and
that
is
somewhat
different
than
some
of
our
other
states
by
selling
product
by
the
single
bottle.
H
Small
establishments
still
have
access
to
highly
debate:
High
in-demand
products
without
having
to
purchase
High
quantities.
In
addition,
it's
important
to
note
that
over
the
past
year,
one
of
the
things
that
we
reinstituted
was
next
day
delivery,
and
that
was
quite
a
challenge
as
well,
and
it
meant
sitting
down
with
our
Trucking
Company,
seeing
what
their
schedule
looked
like.
What
time
would
work
so
today
and
starting
in
April
as
long
as
the
order
is
into
Liquor
Division
by
9
A.M
today
that
product
is
shipped
that
day
and
they
receive
next
day
delivery.
H
So
we're
proud
that
we
were
able
to
get
that
back
in
place
with
that.
We
are
hopeful
that
summer
2023
we
will
go
live
with
our
with
both
our
system
for
staff.
One
of
the
biggest
benefits
of
this
new
system
is
it's
one
database
that
is
housed
and
supports
all
of
the
software,
we're
not
tracking
things
in
multiple
places.
H
Right
now,
staff
at
the
liquor
division
are
doing
things
two
and
three
times,
because
we
don't
have
a
robust
system
that
allows
for
it
to
be
tracked
in
one
spot
and
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
employees
out
at
the
liquor
division,
because
I
will
tell
you
they
are.
We've
got
mandatory
overtime
in
the
warehouse
just
to
get
the
product
out,
especially
those
Monday
Tuesday
deadline
days,
but
the
accounting
staff
purchasing
staff
compliance
division.
H
It
has
been
all
hands
on
deck,
trying
to
work
with
our
vendor
to
design
a
robust
system
and
still
get
the
work
done
on
a
daily
basis
and
make
sure
that
you,
folks
and
myself
are
not
getting.
Those
phone
calls
from
retailers
upset
because
they
can't
operate
their
business
because
of
a
failing
at
the
liquor
division.
H
So
I'm
hopeful
that
you
aren't
receiving
those
phone
calls
and
we're
providing
that
service.
One
other
thing
I'm
excited
about
napka,
the
national
Alcohol
Beverage
Control
Association.
They
have
grants
available
related
to
Consulting
work
we
reached
out
to
them,
and
next
month
in
January,
we
will
have
a
consultant
coming
out
to
the
warehouse
to
evaluate
best
practices.
What
are
we
doing
right?
What
are
we
doing
wrong?
What
could
be?
Maybe
not
necessarily
wrong,
but
how
can
we
improve
it?
And
that
goes
from
the
warehouse?
How
it's
set
up?
H
How
we
pick
our
orders,
every
aspect
of
it
I'm
excited
to
have
a
consultant
come
in
that
sees
how
warehouses
functions,
how
they
function,
Across
the
Nation
and
see
how
how
do
we?
How
do
we
perform?
How
are
we
doing
out
there
and
so
I
believe
it's
January,
19th
18th
19th
around
that
time
period
that
we
hope
to
have
a
report.
H
The
liquor
industry
is
changing.
Ready
to
drinks
are
an
important
aspect
that
we
are
seeing
as
we
do
listing
meetings
with
industry.
Reps,
that's
a
whole
new
market
out
there,
the
ready
to
drinks
and
the
customers
are
are
preferring
those
in
some
instances,
but
that
just
means
that
and
use
names.
H
But
yes,
we
need
Jack
for
Jack
and
Coke
when
they
mix
it
themselves,
but
now
we
need
the
cans
and
we
need
different
sizes
and
and
those
different
things,
and
it
really
has
been
a
challenge
for
us
to
keep
track
and
work
with
these
industry
reps
to
ensure
that
the
product
that
we
have
in
the
warehouse
is
the
product
that
is
going
to
sell
to
the
retailers
and
move
out
the
door.
It
doesn't
do
anybody
any
good
for
us
to
buy
product
that
sits
in
the
warehouse
and
never
goes
anywhere.
H
That's
not
what
we're
about.
We
need
it
in
and
out,
and
so
hopefully,
this
consultant
will
give
us
a
Brand,
New
Perspective
and
see
if
we've
got
opportunities
there.
As
I
mentioned
vacancies
within
the
division
are
fewer
than
they
have
been
for
a
long
time.
We
I
believe
right
now
we
have
two
vacancies
in
the
warehouse.
H
We
do
use
temporary
staff
to
Express
Employment
on
those
heavy
days
and
we're
still
working
overtime
on
some
of
those
days.
But
that
being
said,
I
believe
that
the
key
to
not
having
mandatory
overtime
is
be
fully
staffed,
we're
still
paying
17
and
a
quarter
for
our
entry
level
out
at
the
warehouse,
and
our
hope
is
to
retain
this
staff.
We
started
looking
at
the
Staffing
in
the
warehouse
and,
unfortunately
over
I,
believe
it
was
over.
Two-Thirds
of
the
staff
have
less
than
a
year
experience
in
the
liquor
warehouse.
G
G
There's
no
more
questions
on
the
mineral
or
on
the
Liquor
Division
I
apologize
I
had
one
question
on
the
mineral
tax
division.
If,
if
we
can
digress
just
a
little
bit,
okay
Brenda,
it
was
on
the
position
and
you've
got
that
listed.
A
72
percent
General
funds.
28
special
Revenue,
just
remind
me
as
to
where
the
special
revenue
is
and
why
that
20
72-28
split.
H
Chairman
Nicholas
Senator
Hicks,
historically
going
back
to
the
1970s,
the
Department
of
Transportation
funds,
that
percentage
of
all
of
the
salaries
in
the
middle
tax,
division
and
I,
don't
know
exactly
why
that
came
to
be,
but
that's
where
it
comes
from.
We
Bill
Department
of
Transportation
each
year
at
the
beginning
of
that
fiscal
year,
and
then
they
pay
us
for
that.
We.
A
R
S
Mr,
chairman
jokingly,
I,
don't
know
why
you're
asking
anything
about
White
House
budget,
but
anyway,
yes,
the
Severance
tax
distribution.
Why
not
receive
a
share
of
that
and
I
have
that
share
of
severance
tax
prior
to
deal
marking?
There
was
this
agreement
that
we
would
do
a
percentage
of
those
positions,
and
it
says
the
ear
marking
has
been
just
that's
percent,
but
if
it
fluctuates,
then
why
that
has
to
come
up
the
differential
on
a
position
cost.
A
G
S
S
G
N
Thank
you
that
e65
as
we
ramp
that
up-
and
you
talked
about
you
know
and
you're,
absolutely
right
about
the
mom
and
pop
it
over
54
of
the
folks.
Don't
buy
very
much.
Do
you
have
a
specific
plan
in
place
for
training
as
you
go,
live
for
those
different
segments,
I
mean
the
big,
the
big
liquor
dealers
they're,
going
to
take
care
of
themselves,
they're
going
to
be
in
your
face,
they're
going
to
be
right
there
wanting
to
know
everything
every
minute,
but
the
mom
and
pops
those
those
smaller
outfits.
H
Mr,
chairman
Senator
Guru,
you're,
so
correct
that
that
is
so
important
to
have
their
input
and
we've
been
one
of
the
reasons
for
the
newsletter
is
to
let
everyone
have
access
to
that
information.
But
one
thing:
that's
nice
is
that
our
current
contract
with
our
current
software
vendor,
is
through
September.
H
We
hope
to
convert
in
that
July
August
time
frame.
What
we
also
plan
to
do
is
allow
those
retailers
access
to
what
is
a
a
version
so
that
they
a
version
of
that
online
portal
before
we
go
live
and
we
have
been
including
them
in
discussions.
In
fact,
it's
interesting
to
me,
I
get
emails,
Tom
gets
emails
more
regularly
than
I
do
related
to
what
about.
H
If
we
do
this
and
what,
if
we
add
it's
interesting,
just
the
presentation
of
how
they're
able
to
key
in
their
orders,
you
know
how
they're
or
able
to
identify
those
commonly
placed
orders,
those
that
they
order
you
know
every
week,
and
how
can
we
streamline
that
the
focus
from
our
perspective?
H
You
know
you
don't
get
training
when
you
go
out
to
Amazon,
you
don't
get
training
when
you
do
online
shopping
routinely.
It's
intuitive,
and
that
is
what
we're
looking
towards.
Having
is
something
that
yes,
we'll
expose
them
to
it.
Yes,
we
want
them
to
see
what
it
looks
like
and
we
want
them
to
feel
comfortable
making
those
orders
that
it
shouldn't
require
training.
It
should
be
intuitive
and
that's
our
goal.
N
N
We
have
we're
the
only
game
in
town
for
those
for
those
folks
and
that's
why
we
hear
from
them
when
it
doesn't
go
well,
so
that
was
kind
of
the
Genesis
of
that
to
make
sure
and
the
other
question
or
just
a
comment
that
that
representative
Henderson
was
making
I
think
we're
still
doing
pretty
well
as
far
as
big
vendors
and
small
with
payment
systems
on
payment.
As
far
as
the
as
far
as
the
customers
buying
how's
it
going
I
know,
there
was
some
trouble
last
year
with
within
the
department.
N
I
hope
these
Staffing
changes
of
help
that
that
getting
payments
from
our
suppliers
yeah.
That
was
one
thing-
I
heard
that
frankly
shocked
me
because,
as
a
buyer,
we
all
have
to
pay
up
front
for
our
liquor.
So
when
I
heard
that
some
of
our
some
of
our
suppliers
were
saying
well,
you
know
good
stuff,
because
you
don't
pay
your
bill.
P
Mr,
chairman
excuse
me
Senator
group,
that's
a
great
question.
We
were
having
problems
with,
it's
called
a
payment
run
and
basically,
what
happens
is
our
accounting
department
will
once
a
week
list
a
bunch
of
payments
and,
and
they
were
having
a
really
hard
time
getting
this
information
out
of
our
system?
They've
gotten
really
good
at
it.
Now
it
it's
not
perfect.
We
had
problems
just
last
week,
but
our
accounting
staff
stayed
late
and
we
were
able
to
do
it.
We
haven't
missed
a
payment
run.
P
Basically,
since
I've
been
back
on
board-
and
that's
not
my
credit-
that's
that's
to
our
accounting
staff's
credit
they've,
just
gotten
a
lot
better
at
all
these
workarounds.
You
know
we're
still
running
a
lot
of
problems
with
the
current
system.
It's
our
staff
has
become
very,
very
good
at
being
able
to
find
workarounds
and
how
to
work
it
and,
and
so
I
I
credit
the
staff
for
that.
But
we
are
making
payments
on
time.
Senator.
N
Some
money
was
diverted,
profits
were
diverted
into
those
accounts.
Are
we
doing?
Okay?
There
is
something
is
that
just
was
that
a
seasonal
thing,
or
was
that
the
new
system
going
payments
there?
What
what
was
what's
going
on
there.
P
Mr
chairman
Senator
group,
some
of
it
is
seasonal,
but
you
know
what
we're
starting
to
see
is
a
normalization
of
purchasing
from
across
the
state
during
the
pandemic.
What
we
saw
is
we
lost
about
10
percent
of
our
licensees
just.
P
Restaurants,
small
clubs
stuff
like
that,
but
package
stores
did
really
really
well
and
they
were
booming,
but
we're
starting
to
see
that
come
down
just
a
little
bit
where
we
see
and
and
our
we're
back
up
to
our
normal,
that
10
percent
has
has
new
licenses,
have
come
about
so
we're
backed
up
to
normal
levels
as
far
as
number
of
licensees
in
the
state.
P
So
we're
glad
to
see
that
happening
but,
like
I,
said
we're
starting
to
see
sales
normalize,
and
you
know
one
thing
that
we
are
seeing,
though,
is
price
increases.
If
there's
not
a
company
out
there
that
hasn't
given
a
price
increase
and
it's
due
to
their
labor
Freight
has
gone
up
tremendously.
P
In
fact,
we
just
we
put
out
a
monthly
message
called
an
importantly
important
message,
and
it
just
went
out
this
week
and
I
have
put
in
there
that
we're
going
to
see
a
freight
increase
come
in
May.
You
know,
because
all
of
our
freight
is
going
up
both
inbound
and
outbound.
It's
just
been
crazy.
H
Chairman
and
Senator
Gruff,
if
I,
could
follow
up
for
the
new
enterprise
resource
system,
our
Software
System,
we
encumbered
five
and
a
half
million
dollars
of
income
blast
biennium,
so
we've
encumbered
that
and
that's
what
we'll
use
to
complete
and
pay
our
contract
when
we
go
live
with
the
new
system,
so
that
number
would
have
been
20
million,
except
for
the
encumbrance
of
five
and
a
half
million
for
the
new
system.
N
D
N
Like
I
say,
once
again,
we
all
of
us
seem
to
be
on
the
speed,
dial,
I
think
I
get
more
than
anybody
else,
but
I
don't
know
where
that
is.
But
I
do
appreciate
your
reaction
times
to
these
to
these
questions
when
they
do
come
and.
D
L
F
Ahead,
I've
got
a
liquor,
compliance
question
and
I'll
take
the
answer,
but
then
I'd
like
a
follow-up
written
so
that
I
can
clarify
to
my
municipalities.
F
F
F
Just
tell
Cheyenne
to
get
up
here
if
they're
going
to
run
the
place.
Well,
we
were
over
in
the
Jonas
Center
on
restaurants,
and
my
recollection
is
that
we
liberalize
the
definition
of
dispensing
room,
and
my
recollection
is
also
that
we
left
it
to
the
municipalities
to
interpret
and
apply
well.
I've
got
a
municipality.
F
That's
concerned
that
if
they
exercise
that
somebody
from
Cheyenne
is
going
to
show
up
and
have
a
contrary
interpretation
putting
the
restaurant
licensee
in
an
awkward
position,
I
thought
we
had
changed
that
so
that
they
don't
have
two
different
people
tell
them
what
a
dispensing
room
is.
Can
you
tell
me
what
is
your
understanding
of
what
we
did
on
the
restaurant
license
dispensing
room
requirement?
Who
is
in
charge
of
interpreting
it?
You
or
the
cities
and
towns.
P
Mr
chairman,
if
you'll
remember
in
2017,
we
did
away
with
the
definition
of
room
for
all
licenses
except
restaurant
licenses,
because
it
was
such
a
different
animal
and
we
came
back
in
21.
There
are
no
more
rooms,
even
in
restaurant
electric
licenses.
So
now
it's
strictly
up
to
a
local
licensing
authority
to
Define
an
area
and
usually
an
area
in
a
restaurant
is
going
to
be.
You
know
where
they
have
their
silverware
and
their
Coke
dispensers
and
stuff
like
that.
P
F
P
Chairman
kinsky,
no
it's
strictly
up
to
the
local
licensing
Authority
now,
so
we'll
just
look
at
the
description.
Whatever
they
put
on
the
license,
make
sure
the
license
is
up
there
and
honor
whatever
the
local
authorities
say
it.
F
P
Why
we
did
away
with
it
Mr
chairman.
H
H
Further
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
this
committee.
H
Leave
you
with
this
thought
working
hard
for
something
we
don't
care
about,
is
called
stress,
working
hard
or
something
that
we
love
is
called
passion
and
I'm
really
pleased
that
the
employees
and
staff
within
the
Wyoming
Department
of
Revenue
have
a
passion
for
providing
these
statutory
duties
that
we
do
and
our
interactions
with
customers,
but
more
so
I
thank
each
member
of
this
body
because
you
have
a
passion
for
Wyoming
and
that's
why
you're
here
and
I
definitely
appreciate
that.
Thank
you
for
the
time
this
morning,
I
think
I
kept
you
on
schedule.
H
G
You
Brenda
appreciate
your
time
and
work
and
your
staff
all
right.
Next,
let's
go
to
fire.
A
G
S
A
T
Good
morning,
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee
Justin
Chavis,
director
of
the
Department
of
audit
I,
have
with
me
our
CFO
Fred
Rife
and
our
banking
commissioner
Jeremiah
Bishop
in
case
you
have
any
questions
that
are
too
far
into
the
weeds
that
I'll
need
their
assistance
to
answer
so
so
we
have
one
priority
for
our
supplemental
budget
request.
That's
on
page
10..
T
The
request
is
for
our
banking
division
to
bring
compensation
in
line
with
peer
Regulators
in
other
states.
I.
Think
if
you
look
on
page
15,
the
The
Narrative,
there
does
a
pretty
good
job
of
outlining.
Why
we're
making
the
request?
Basically,
the
experience
level
of
our
examiners,
because
of
turnover
in
the
last
few
years
has
plummeted.
So
basically,
our
most
experienced
examiner
has
three
years
of
experience
and
then,
after
that,
it's
all
two
years
or
less.
We
have
nobody.
T
That's
qualified
to
take
the
chief
examiner
position
right
now
and
so
outside
of
the
management
team.
The
experience
level
is
pretty
thin
and
you
really
do
need
experienced
examiners
to
effectively
regulate
the
industry.
T
T
Is
the
one
telling
us
that
we
need
to
compensate
our
people
higher,
so
we
can
keep
experienced
examiners
so
that
they
don't
feel
like
they're
the
ones
having
to
train
our
examiners.
So
that's
the
the
gist
of
why
we're
making
the
request
pretty
short
and
sweet
to
the
point,
and
so
I
think
with
that
I'd
open
it
up
to
any
questions
that
the
committee
might
have.
T
G
D
G
T
Mr,
chairman
Senator
Hicks,
so
I
don't
believe
this
would
be
in
addition
to
I
think
it
would
be
separate,
but
I
think
these
amounts
would
probably
go
beyond
what
the
governor's
request
would
put
for
compensation
and
then
I'm.
Sorry.
What
was
your
second
question
is.
G
T
It
it
would
be
for
all
examiners,
because
we
have
we've
had
turnover
at
all
levels,
and
so
all
levels
have
have
a
pretty
thin
and
inexperience
and.
T
Mr
chairman
Senator
Hicks,
not
necessarily
it
would
depend
on
where
they're
at
now
we're
moving
everybody
to
the
same
compensation
within
their
class
code.
But
the
actual
dollar
raise
for
each
person
may
not
be
the
same
because
they
don't
currently
all
make
the
same.
T
T
G
All
right,
thank
you,
and
so
basically,
it's
roughly
a
10
increase
and
it
it's
very
close
to
the
what
the
chief
executive
and
what
we
as
a
legislature
are
authorizing
for
state
employee
increases.
So
it's.
T
Is
that
accurate,
Mr
chairman
I,
would
guess
it
to
be
a
little
more
than
10
percent,
but
because
I
think
the
what
we
would
move
them
to
is
a
little
bit
more
than
what
they
would
move
to.
If
the
current
Governor's
proposal
passes.
Okay,.
G
And
pull
out
the
the
bill.
A
B
Mr,
chairman
I,
believe
you
requested
the
department
to
come
forward
with
some
recommendations
on
that.
I
suspect
that
they
will
can
contribute
to
that
and
then
Brian
Fuller
legal
staff
will
be
providing
an
outline
as
well.
D
V
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
Jennifer
Scoggin,
director
of
The
Office
of
State
lands
and
Investments
with
me
today
is
deputy
director.
Jason
Crowder
I
also
have
behind
me,
Amanda
Sewell
she's,
our
assistant
director
for
our
financial
and
and
administrative
Services,
Division
and
Beth
Blackwell.
Our
grants
and
Loans
manager
for
those
will
be
the
upcoming
topics,
I
think
anyway.
V
Mr
chairman,
we
have
a
supplemental
budget
request
today,
it's
solely
to
address
staffing
issues
at
osli.
While
this
looks
like
a
significant
request,
it
really
is
kind
of
the
minimum
number
of
additional
employees.
We
think
we
need
to
continue
with
the
ever
increasing
demands
on
our
workload
demands
at
osli.
V
The
intent
is
to
spread
out
a
very
large
and
demanding
workload
related
to
trust,
Land
Management
and
to
create
some
redundancies
and
efficiencies
to
minimize
errors,
to
ensure
accurate
and
reliable
data
availability,
and
to
be
able
to
push
data
out
for
real-time
public
consumption
and
to
free
up
capacity
for
new
programs
that
we
think
will
be
assigned
to
osli
such
as
we've
been
in
discussions
with
the
joint
AG
committee
about
a
potential
Auto
renewal
process
for
grazing
or
a
30-day
grace
period,
and
all
that
will
require
additional
notices.
V
Additional
staff
time
to
complete
we've
also
talked
about
getting
into
the
recreation
business.
So
there's
a
lot
of
new
demands.
We
foresee
coming
down
the
pike
as
well.
The
supplemental
request
will
also
free
up
capacity
for
new
and
proactive
Revenue
generation
opportunities,
and
we've
been
in
discussions
with
the
joint
Revenue
committee
about
the
desire
to
proceed
into
new
areas,
and
we
need
staff
time
and
availability
to
pursue
those
and
understand
those
and
then,
last
but
not
least,
we're
also
looking
to
increase
our
responsiveness
to
legislative
and
public
information
needs.
V
We
found
that
we're
we're
woefully
inadequate
in
that
way
and
we
just
simply
don't
have
the
staff
to
to
quickly
address
information
needs.
So
this
request
that
we're
seeking
today,
it's
not
just
the
nice
to
have
purpose
the
nice
to
have
new
positions
within
the
agency.
We've
the
requested
positions
fit
actually
with
a
more
strategic
plan
for
the
agency
in
the
supplemental
budget
request,
as
I
mentioned,
we're
seeking
six
new
positions,
one
in
the
director's
office,
three
in
the
trust,
Land
Management
Division
and
two
in
our
Field
Services
Division.
V
The
plan
doesn't
end
there.
We're
also
going
to
be
working
with
hrd
to
potentially
reclassify
several
positions
in
the
trust,
Land,
Management,
Division
and
potentially
merge
one
existing
merge,
two
existing
positions
to
more
adequately
address
various
workload
demands
due
to
budget
constraints.
We
have
been
very
lean
at
osli
and
making
do
with
the
minimum
number.
As
I
mentioned.
V
It's
been
all
we
can
do
to
meet
the
day-to-day
responsibilities
and,
as
I
mentioned,
we're
no
longer
just
pushing
paper,
we're
trying
to
be
more
forward-thinking
and
active
with
Revenue
generation
and
again,
with
the
high
increasing
demands
on
the
staff.
The
bottom
line
is,
is
we
need
help
and
that's
why
we're
here
today-
and
we
have
been
talking
with
the
joint
AG
committee
about
our
plan
and
they
have
expressed
their
support
with
new
and
additional
staff.
V
V
And
that
outlines
the
request
the
priority.
One
is
a
policy
and
planning
analyst
position.
Our
priority
number
two
are
those
three
trust:
Land
Management
specialist
positions
and
our
priority
three,
our
two
positions
related
to
records
in
data
management
and
geospatial
technology
and
field
services.
So
that's
it
at
at
a
glance,
so
I
would
move
you
to
page
19
for
further
discussion
about
the
policy
and
planning
position.
This
position
would
work
with
the
director
and
the
deputy
to
set
policy
directives
for
the
agency,
including
NEPA
analysis
and
new
and
sophisticated
land
use
development.
V
If
you
will
processing
that
we
sometimes
forget
or
don't
take
the
time
to
post
memos-
and
you
know
gov
delivery
feedback
to
the
public
so
that
they
understand
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
where
we're
at
in
the
process
and
we've
realized
that
that
could
really
be
helpful
to
have
some
help
in
that
area.
V
Excuse
me,
it's
also
difficult
to
get
out
to
the
public
changes
and
actions
we're
contemplating
regarding
land
use
or
legislative
directives
that
are
different
from
what
we've
done
previously,
where
we're
changing
processes
to
address
legislative
directives,
and
we
find
it
challenging,
as
I
mentioned,
with
our
workload
to
address
those.
V
So
we've
recognized
a
need
for
greater
capacity
in
this
area,
and
this
position
would
also,
as
I
mentioned,
be
looking
and
staying
abreast
of
new
and
sophisticated
land
uses
not
only
NEPA
but
carbon
sequestration,
hydrogen
hubs,
carbon
credits,
all
of
those
new
things
that
are
coming
down,
the
pike
that
Jason
and
I
are
are
doing
our
best
to
stay
on
top
of.
But
we
don't
have
the
time
to
kind
of
get
in
there
and
roll
up.
Our
sleeves.
V
In
fact,
currently,
deputy
director,
Crowder
and
I
were
actually
running
the
sage
Grouse
mitigation
Bank
program,
because
we
don't
have
anybody
else
to
do
that.
We're
the
ones
developing
the
carbon
sequestration
leases
leasing
program,
because
we
don't
have
anybody
to
do
that,
so
we're
trying
to
stay
up
on
top
of
new
opportunities
as
we
are
able
to.
But
again
we
just
currently
don't
have
anybody
to
do
that.
V
We
think
that
this
sort
of
hybrid
Position
will
really
help
us
with
Communications,
but
also
help
us
stay
on
top
of
these
policy
areas,
especially
some
of
the
new
federal
programs.
We
just
have
not
been
able
to
answer
even
in
a
timely
manner,
legislative
questions,
and
we
don't
want
to
do
that.
We
want
to
be
the
leaders.
We
want
to
be
fully
aware
and
abreast
of
what's
going
on.
So
that's
what
this
position
is
about
and
as
you'll
see,
the
governor
has
recommended
approval
of
this
request.
E
Thank
you,
hi
good,
to
see
you
director,
I
think
this
all
sounds
really
good.
My
one
concern
is:
it
sounds
like
more
than
one
FTE
I'd
love
to
hear
your
comment
on
that.
V
Mr,
chairman
representative
Schwartz:
well,
that's
what
it
seems
like
on
its
surface.
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
have
a
strategic
approach
to
this.
We
realize
that
we
need
help
in
a
number
of
areas.
We
thought
we
would
start
small
and
see
if
we
didn't.
We
couldn't
anticipate
whether
this
would
be
one
FTE
just
for
the
communications
piece
and
one
FTE
just
for
the
policy.
We
thought
we
would
start
small,
see
where
it
leads
and
if
we
need
another
one
like
as
I
mentioned,
this
is
the
beginning.
O
Director
Scoggins
are
actually
off
to
you
and
your
department,
the
arpa
stuff
that
you
guys
and
and
you've
just
been
thrown
a
lot
of
stuff
over
the
last
year
and
you've
had
to
develop
those
rules,
and
you
know
thank
you
very,
very
much
for
for
doing
that.
But
then
that
kind
of
leads
into
this
conversation
as
that
kind
of
rise
off
into
the
sunset
at
some
point
in
time.
Does
that
then
relieve
that
burden
or
do
you?
O
Are
you
anticipating
that
the
the
the
burden
on
your
agency
that
warrants
these
positions
moves
forward,
am
I
making
sense,
I
I'm
just
wondering
if,
when
all
of
this
harpa
stuff
goes
away?
If
you
don't,
then
have
the
resources
again
or
is
it
a
different?
V
Chairman
representative,
Larson
I,
don't
think
Grant
loan
programs
ever
go
away
and
I.
Think
as
time
goes,
we
may
see
new
programs
come
around
that
require
Communications,
but
we
also
will
probably
see
the
the
diminishment
if
you
will,
with
the
arpa
and
the
demands
of
arpa.
V
However,
I
think
we've
got
a
robust
plate
on
the
trust,
Land
Management
side
of
things
to
keep
us
busy
as
well,
so
I
think
it's
going
to
Wax
and
Wane
a
little
bit,
but
I
think
that
this
position
will
always
be
busy
with
communicating
and
understanding
the
new
things
and
even
on
the
grant
loan
side,
we
still
have
srf
and
we
still
have
things
going
on
with
EPA.
That
change
and
may
require
additional
efforts
in
the
communication.
Thank
you.
G
G
Employees
in
order
to
administer
the
cares
and
arpa
dollars
and
and
use
those
dollars,
I
think
there's
a
five
percent
component
for
funding
or
administration
of
close
costs.
Just
kind
of
remind
us
of
that
process.
V
Mr
chairman,
what
the
approach
we've
taken
right
now
is
is
all
hands
on
deck
internally
to
process
as
many
applications
as
we
can
with
the
reporting
requirements
and
some
of
the
problems
we've
had
with
the
the
portal
usage
we're
going
to
have
to
gather
data
on
the
back
end
and
put
it
into
the
portal
so
that
the
budget
office
has
what
it
needs
to
help
report.
We
are
in
the
throes
of
hiring
some
temporary
staff
to
help
us
with
that
approach,
but
with
respect
to
the
applications,
we
did
not
hire
additional
staff.
V
Mr,
chairman
I
I,
the
problem
with
arpa
funding
is
that
the
efforts
would
have
to
be
arpa
related
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
more
broad
than
that
is.
It's
trust.
Land
Management,
a
lot
of
trust,
Land,
Management
and
field
services.
That's
where
we're
finding
the
biggest
Gap
in
our
Communications
effort
and
while
you
know
we're
running
the
arpa
programs,
and
that
would
be
helpful
to
have
somebody
with
that,
we
did
not
believe
that
the
position
could
be
paid
for
solely
with
arpa
dollars.
Okay,
chairman.
G
V
Chairman,
we
did
lose
one
vacant
position
on
the
administrative
Services
side
and
that,
as
I
mentioned,
that
was
a
vacant
position,
and
so
we
tried
our
hardest
not
to
lose
any
filled
positions
at
that
time,
and
we
were
so.
We
were
able
to
cover
with
that
and
some
other
budgetary
things.
Okay,.
N
Senator
group,
thank
you.
Mr
John,
good
morning,
director
I
refill
these
positions
and
become
effective
in
July.
N
N
N
But
as
I
heard,
someone
on
the
first
floor
say
there
is
not
one
Department
in
state
government
that
is
more
in
dire
need
of
public
information
officer
than
this
department,
so
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
was
there
some
sort
of
stop
Gap
in
between
that
we
can
look
at.
Is
there
something
we
can
do
in
between.
S
D
E
G
That
and
it
looks
like
a
very
Blended
position,
my
concern
is,
is
when
I
look
at
these
as
I
ex
I
think
sometimes
we
either
failed
to
meet
the
expectations
of
of
what
the
legislature
thinks
we're
funding
and
what
can
be
delivered
and,
that's
not
to
say
that's
a
fault
of
the
agency
I
think.
Sometimes
we
set
people
up
to
fail.
G
That
position
is
the
way
it's
currently
described
as
what
your
needs
are,
and
so
I'm
empathetic
to
the
need
for
the
position,
but
I
need
to
understand
how
somebody,
and
especially
at
that
salary
level,
is
going
to
provide
the
the
NEPA
analysis,
sophisticated
land,
use
development
overview
and
be
a
liaison
to
the
legislature,
which
means
is
they
pretty
much
have
to
know
everything
that
osli
does
right
if
they're
gonna,
because
we're
gonna
do
anything
for
mental
leasing
to
egg
leasing,
to
arpa,
Grant
programs
and
the
whole
thing
and
I
know
you
have
a
very
competent.
D
G
V
Chairman
Senator
Hicks,
the
priority
would
be
the
communication
piece,
particularly
the
liaison
with
the
legislature,
but
also
with
the
public.
Getting
information
out
as
I
mentioned.
I
think
that's
where
we
are
woefully
lacking.
Is
you
know
we
have
it
all
going
on
in
our
heads
and
we
know
what's
going
on,
but
we
fail
to
translate
that
to
the
public
into
the
legislature
and
the
communities,
and
so
that
would
be
I.
V
Think
first
and
foremost
is
getting
the
information
out
with
respect
to
the
the
other
aspects,
the
the
policy
and
you
know,
staying
on
top
of
land
uses,
and
things
like
that.
You
know,
if
necessary.
If
that's
all
the
position
does
is
just
the
communication.
Jason
and
I
will
do
the
best
we
can
to
continue
to
to
limp
along.
If
you
will
with
the
other
piece
and
perhaps
come
back
to
that
later,
but
I
think
we're.
V
G
My
concern
is:
is
somebody
that
has
the
expertise
to
look
at
NEPA
and
land
and
those
implications.
This
staff
is
not
going
to
attract
somebody
at
that
salary
level.
That's
probably
an
attorney
level,
deeper
compliance
issue,
type
of
position.
Obviously
you
can
deploy
that.
So,
let's
talk
about
the
public
information
aspects
of
the
position.
What
do
you
feel
within
your
programs
now
anything
from
mineral
leasing
to
with
death
programs,
grants
and
loans?
G
V
Mr,
chairman
Senator
Hicks
I
think
initially
the
most
the
most
impact
could
be
felt
on
the
grazing
and
agricultural
leasing
side.
We
have,
you
know
changed
the
there
have
been
statutory
changes
and
changes
in
the
process
with
respect
to
vacant
leasing.
You
know
with
the
competitive
bids
and
things
like
that,
I'm,
not
sure
that
all
of
that
information
has
gotten
out
there
and
in
particular,
the
process
and
how
we're
doing
things
differently
and
differently.
Excuse
me
in
analyzing
things
differently.
V
I
also
think
that
there's
a
misunderstanding
with
respect
to
how
we
administer
the
grazing
and
agricultural
lease
program.
You
know
we're
pretty
tightly
knit
in
with
statutory
deadlines
and
dates,
and
things
like
that
that
we
can't
deviate
from.
We
don't
have
the
discretion
to
deviate
from
those.
However,
during
the
covid
you
know
there
may
have
been
some
of
that
done,
and
so
people
are,
you
know,
wondering
well
what
are
the
rules?
V
Think
that
that's
one
area
that
would
be
impacted
greatly
just
by
getting
out
the
information,
the
process,
people
under
having
a
better
understanding
of
what
we
do
and
why
and
what
we're
hamstringed
by
the
other
part
I
think
is,
is
on
the
the
the
srf
side,
if
you
will,
and
with
the
iija
funds
coming
down
the
pike
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
great
understanding.
V
Yet
with
respect
to
what
that's
going
to
look
like
right
now,
we
have
a
lot
of
arpa
grant
money
floating
around,
and
people
are
happy
about
that
they're
disappointed
if
they
haven't
been
recommended
for
funding,
but
I'm
not
sure
they
understand
and
appreciate
all
of
the
opportunities
that
are
going
to
come
with
the
iija
funding
and
what
some
of
those
ground
rules
are
going
to
be
so
I
see
it
sort
of
twofold
on
both
sides
of
our
fence.
If
you
will.
G
So
Mr
chairman,
a
follow-up
on
that
director
Scoggins
is
I,
said
you
all
have
a
request
for
two
more
Land
Management
Specialists
and
looked
at
the
team
approach
to
the
leasing
makes
up
complete
sense,
but
couldn't
it
be
part
of
this?
So
if
one
of
those
persons
that
if
we
authorize
the
position,
goes
into
the
the
permit
side
of
the
Land
Management,
specifically
more
on
the
AG
and
some
of
the
other
leasing
components
did
not.
That
position
also
help
with
some
of
this
public
information
Outreach
to
those
constituents.
V
Mr,
chairman
Senator
Hicks
I
think
what
we're
envisioning
on
the
lands
management
Specialists
are
just
people
that
help
push
the
paper.
At
this
point
we
have
11
programs
with
single
person,
managers
and
one
of
those
is
the
Agricultural
and
grazing
lease,
and
so
that
person
is
not
only
responsible
for
all
of
the
lease
renewals,
but
all
the
communications
with
the
applicants,
all
the
notices,
updating
the
records,
everything
that
goes
with
that
so
I
think
what
we're
anticipating
for
the
lands
management
specialist
is
to
really
help
with
that
with
processing.
V
With
the
the
Outreach
to
the
the
lessees
and
the
applicants.
With
respect
to
hey,
we
got
your
application
you're
missing
your
check,
those
sorts
of
things,
so
that's
kind
of
what
we
were
anticipating,
but
I,
don't
think
it's
a
stretch
to
say
that
yes,
I'm,
freeing
up
the
existing
program.
Manager's
time
could
also
help
in
the
the
communications
Arena
all
right.
Thank
you.
V
Which
are
the
our
number
two
priority?
The
lands
management
Specialists.
We
asked
for
three
lands
management,
specialist
positions.
However,
the
governor
is
only
recommending
approval
of
two
of
these
positions
and,
while
three
is
the
number
We
Believe
would
make
the
most
impact
and
are
needed,
we'd
be
happy
to
go
with
the
two
recommended
by
the
governor
to
get
some
relief
at
this
point
and
see
how
those
impact
the
workload
and
re,
then
you
know
reevaluate
and
and
go
from
there
as
I
manage
as
I
mentioned.
V
Currently
we
have
one
person
program
managers
across
11
programs
and
So.
Currently,
with
the
workload
we
have
an
all
hands
on
deck
approach
to
everything.
So
we
do
have
people
working
across
divisions
working
across
programs,
particularly
at
the
busy
times,
just
to
make
sure
that
that
things
get
done
with
respect
to
the
grazing
and
agricultural
leasing
program.
That
person
is
responsible
for
maintaining
four
thousand
leases
across
approximately
3.4
million
surf
office.
Acres
there's
about
400
leases
renewed
annually.
V
They
process
about
20
competing
bid
situations
each
year,
260
sub
leases,
numerous
assignments
reviewing
80
Improvement
applications
approximately
per
year
and
as
I
mentioned,
this
person
does
everything
from
the
mailing.
The
communications
with
the
lessees
printing
leases,
updating
the
records.
All
of
that-
and
it's
it's
become
way
too
much
for
just
one
full-time
employee.
V
So
it's
easy
for
mistakes
to
get
made,
and
so
we
need
to
relieve
that
pressure
and
spread
that
workload
out
with
additional
staff.
On
the
commercial
leasing
side.
We've
got
a
number
of
programs
going
on
there.
V
But
we
need
bodies
to
be
able
to
investigate
and
pursue
those
opportunities,
so
the
request
in
the
supplemental
budget
will
help
us
create
two
teams:
one
day
dedicated
to
grazing
and
agriculture
leasing,
one
dedicated
to
commercial
leasing.
On
the
AG
side,
that
person
would
Aid
with
lease
renewals
competitive
bid
situations,
subleases
assignments,
all
of
those
things
on
the
commercial
leasing
side.
V
That
person
would
be
helping
with
application
processing
so
that
others
could
focus
on
more
of
the
high
value
and
high
opportunity
markets
checking
rental
rates
to
see
if
we're
still
in
the
in
the
market
and
up
and
coming
New
Uses.
So
these
positions
will
allow
us
to
adapt
to
the
increasing
complexity
and
applications
received
and
the
volume
that
we're
receiving
and
the
requests
that
require
significant
analysis
and
again
we're
just
trying
to
meet
the
new
and
varying
duties
that
we
see
coming
down
the
pike.
V
You
know
everything
with
additional
notices,
Auto
renewals,
any
of
that
stuff.
Should
it
come
around.
We
want
to
be
poised
in
and
ready
to
move
on
that.
So,
as
I
mentioned,
the
governor
has
recommended
approval
of
two
of
those
positions
and
we
would
we
would
gladly
take
three
or
excuse
me.
We
would
gladly
take
two
would
hope
for
three,
but
we
would
gladly
take
the
two
recommended
by
the
governor
so.
G
How
you
fund
your
agency,
I,
think
you
have
104
employees
and
and
how
much
money
you
bring
into
the
state
through
the
operations
and
and
when
was
the
last
time
as
part
of
this,
when
was
the
last
time
that
you've
looked
at
whether
or
not
the
lessees
are
paying
for
their
for
the
services
that
we
provide,
particularly
on
the
grazing
and
agricultural
leases,
because
they're
not
very
expensive
and
and
just
just
walk
us
through
that.
G
If
you,
you
can
and
when's
the
last
time
that
we
you,
as
a
agency,
have
evaluated
your
fees
and
costs
of
operations.
V
Mr
chairman,
that's
my
mind,
is
blank.
That's
a
tough
one.
Jason
can
you
get
us
started
and
I'll
fill
in
here.
A
W
Mr
chairman,
it's
a
it's
a
great
question.
I
believe
our
operating
budget
is
on
a
biennial
basis.
It's
about
22
million
dollars
for
operations
last
fiscal
year,
I
believe
we
brought
in
167
million
dollars
in
Revenue,
spread
across
the
different
beneficiaries
and
of
course,
that's
dropped
considerably,
depending
on
the
revenue
streams
and
the
markets
that
we're
able
to
play
in
an
oil
and
gas
plays
a
huge
role
in
that,
so
our
Highs
are
anywhere
from
240
to
250
million
dollars
in
Revenue
annually.
W
We
do
charge
application
fees
for
individuals
wanting
to
do
business
with
the
office
and
those
fees
follow
the
statute
and
it's
the
the
approximate
but
not
exact
cost
of
processing,
one
of
those.
So
we
go
through
each
one,
each
application
the
board
would
like
us
to
do
it.
Every
three
years
we've
been
able
to
meet
about
every
five
years
to
re-look
at
that
and
up
our
our
fees.
The
last
time
we
did
that
was
about
I
want
to
say
four
years
ago,
we
we
tried
to
meet
Market
there.
A
Okay
for
the
questions
representative.
M
Thank
you
Mr,
chair
good
morning.
It
seems
to
me
that
people
is
is,
is
is
key
here
and
opportunities
building
on
the
good
Chairman's
question
opportunities
for
for
revenue
and
house
funded.
M
What
is
the
turnover
rate
in
your
agency
and
and
and
to
what
extent
do
you
feel?
Perhaps
if
you
did
a
a
strategic,
well
thinking,
prospectively
and
identified
what
is
the
most
demanding
aspect
affecting
your
agency?
What
would
be
the
best
way
going
forward
over
the
next
four
or
five
years?
M
This
may
be
too
much
of
a
question
for
for
today,
but
I'm
saying
what
would
be
the
next
best
step.
You've
asked
number
three:
you
you're
glad
to
get
two
you're
hoping
for
three,
but
but
Frank
Frankly.
What
can
we
do
to
help
achieve
the
next
best
step
for
your
Agency
for
Wyoming
in
terms
of
Revenue
and
and
meeting
the
the
needs
of
the
people.
V
Mr,
chairman
representative,
that's
a
that's
a
big
question.
That's
a
tough
question,
but
currently
I
think
we
have
a
14
vacancy
rate.
That
includes
forestry,
though
too
there's
a
number
of
aweac
positions
and
things
like
that
that
are
vacant.
We
have
a
handful
on
our
side
of
the
fence.
If
you
will
are
on
the
trust
land,
Field
Services
has
one
and
I
think
the
financial
side.
We
have
one
there
too.
V
Really
the
the
biggest
turnover
position
since
I've
been
here
has
been
on
the
grazing
and
agricultural
leasing
manager.
That's
turned
over
three
times
since
I've
been
here
and
the
workloads
are
huge.
The
pay
is
not
great
and
the
responsibilities
are
great
and
of
course,
you're
always
the
one
in
the
position,
because
there's
no
way
to
spread
out
that
work.
V
You
know
you
I
would
imagine
that
you
come
to
work
every
day
and
you
hit
the
ground
running
and
there's
no
relief
and
there's
rarely
any
help,
and
most
people
don't
want
to
be
constantly
in
that
situation.
They
want
to
have
a
comfortable
workload
that
they
feel
that
they
they
can
achieve
and
manage,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
first
things
that
we
decided
needed
to
be
addressed
was
really
the
grazing
and
agricultural
leasing
program
to
give
some
relief
there,
but
yeah
I
think
over
time
salaries.
V
People
want
to
make
what
they
consider
to
be
a
fair
wage
for
a
fair
day's
work
and
I
suspect,
at
least
in
the
grazing
and
agricultural
program.
They're.
Not
seeing
that
or
not
feeling
that
and
they're
feeling
completely
stressed
and
overworked-
and
that's
part
of
our
our
plan
for
the
next
year
here
is
to
really
get
into
the
meat
of
these
and
figure
out.
What
is
an
appropriate
wage,
we're
looking
at
potentially
reclassifying
some
positions
to
better
reflect
those
the
level
of
skill,
and
these
aren't
just
like
turning
over
paper
kind
of
positions
anymore.
V
They
do
require
a
significant
set
of
skills
to
understand
you
know:
commercial,
Leasing
and
Recreation,
and
wind
Leasing
and
all
those
things
and
in
order
to
attract
the
right
person,
I
think
it's
going
to
require,
as
I
mentioned,
reclassification
and
and
some
increase
in
salaries
and
a
way
to
spread
the
workload
so
that
it's
manageable
Mr.
V
G
Chairman,
please
go
ahead
so
director
back
to
the
specifics
of
this
position
with
these
two
positions
that
we're
looking
at
I,
if
you
can
describe
to
me,
I
need
some
help,
because
right
now,
you've
got
one
vacant
position,
which
is
an
lrlm09
which
is
a
Land
Management
program
analysts
at
least
as
a
description
you're
asking
for
two
that
are
lrlm-06,
Land
Management
specialist
versus
an
analyst
is.
V
Mr
chairman
Senator
Hicks
the
lrm-09
position,
that
is
our
real
estate
analyst
position,
that
does
the
exchanges
and
the
the
dispositions
and
things
of
that
nature.
And
yes,
it
has
been
open
for
five
months.
We
have
not
received
many
if
any
qualified
applications
for
that
position,
I
suspect
some
of
it
may
have
to
do
with
the
real
estate
bubble.
I
think
people
were
able
to
make
more
money
out
in
the
real
estate
world
when
houses
when
housing
sales
were
on
the
rise,
and
during
that
time
period
we
would.
V
We
received
a
number
of
applications
with
people
that
didn't
even
have
a
real
estate
background
and
it
really
takes
a
a
different
skill
set
if
you
will
for
that
job
now
that
housing
has
settled
a
little
bit
we're
hoping
to
receive
some
qualified
applications.
But
this
isn't
just
one
a
position
that
you
can
just
Tire
with
no
skill
set
and
train.
V
They
need
to
come
into
the
game
with
something
the
land
management,
specialist
positions.
These
are
sixes,
I,
believe
and
we're
really
looking
for
help
with
processing
paperwork
to
free
up
the
the
higher
level
folks
to
do
the
more
sophisticated
work.
All.
A
V
Senator
Kinski
I
suppose
they
could,
but
we
struggle
with
remote
with
remote
employees
just
because
there's
a
lot
of
communication
that
needs
to
be
done.
There's
even
a
lot
of
our
records
are
still
in
paper
format.
If
you
will,
in
the
vault
we're
trying
to
digitize
as
much
as
we
can,
but
we
we
struggled
over
the
covet
time
when
some
were
working
remotely.
We
found
that
there
a
lot
of
things
got
dropped.
V
There
were
some
people
were
lacking
in
the
communication,
and
you
know,
frankly
it
it
created
some
problems
where
we
ended
up
doing
the
grazing
and
agricultural
lease
audit,
because
we
found
that
some
things
had
been
falling
through
the
cracks
we
prefer
for,
at
least
on
the
grazing
agricultural
leasing
program
that
people
be
physically
present.
Although
we
do
have
a
policy
at
osli
where
we
do
allow
folks
to
telework
one
day
per
week.
V
You
know
in
consultation
with
their
supervisor
and
that
sort
of
thing
realizing
that
that's
becoming
you
know
desired
by
today's
employees.
Thank.
N
104
employees
in
the
department
and
the
director
and
the
and
the
assistant
director
have
to
stand
up
a
program
until
a
couple
months
ago.
I
ran
a
business
with
about
104
employees
and
mine
didn't
work
that
way,
and
so
I
guess
I'm
wondering
here.
It's
like
and
all
the
rest
of
the
subsequent
discussions
sounds
like.
N
We
really
need
to
drill
down
here
and
do
a
resource
allocation
assessment
from
top
to
bottom
is
that
what
are
we
is
that?
Where
we're
headed
here
is
that
we
need
to
do,
and
is
there
something
we
can
do
to
help
that
as
well
as
we
go
through
this,
because
that
that's
I
mean
given
the
tenor
other
questions
and
the
answers
that
you're
given
which
are
reasonable.
V
Mr
chairman
Senator
Guru,
we
would
not
be
opposed
to
a
resource
allocation
study.
I
believe
one
was
conducted
Jason
how
long
ago,
when
2005..
So
it's
been
some
time
ago
and
as
we've
mentioned,
things
have
become
more
sophisticated,
more
demands,
so
we
certainly
would
not
object
to
that.
I
mean
we
analyzed
it
from
our
standpoint,
tried
to
figure
out
Solutions,
but
that's
certainly
another
way
to
go,
and
we
would
welcome
that.
V
V
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
so
finally,
our
priority
number
three,
our
two
Field
Services
positions
on
page
32.
V
V
Currently
we
have
just
one
employee
to
do
this
job,
so,
as
you
can
imagine,
our
ability
to
provide
information
in
real
time
is
it's
quite
low,
so
we
need
and
would
like
the
public
to
have
closer
to
real-time
information
that
you
know,
businesses
can
make
their
decisions
on
and
trust
and
access
decisions
of
the
public
can
be
made
so
we're
proposing
one
geospatial
technology
analyst
position,
which
would
allow
us
to
be
more
responsive
with
that.
Real-Time
information
on
this
person
would
timely,
ad
Lisa's,
easements
and
other
transaction
information
to
the
database.
V
The
second
position-
osli
we've
advanced
in
our
use
of
electronic
databases,
particularly
in
their
sophistication,
efficiency
and
accuracy,
so
we're
proposing
One
records
data
management
position
to
oversee
our
databases,
to
ensure
operating
efficiently,
accurately
and
consistency,
I'm
sure
that
bugs
are
detected
and
worked
through
and
managed
appropriately.
The
position
would
ensure
that
we're
meeting
our
technology
demands
for
State
lands
for
Industries
for
sister
agencies
and
the
public
and
I
would
note
the
governor
has
recommended
approval
of
both
of
these
positions.
So
we
would
stand
for
questions
on
the
two
Field
Services
positions
representative.
D
E
L
V
Mr,
chairman
representative
Schwartz
I'll,
defer
to
Jason
he's,
had
the
conversations
with
ETS,
but
it's
my
understanding
that
in
our
discussions
that
these,
what
we
call
off-the-shelf
databases
are
not
really
something
ATS,
utilizes
and
and
can
support.
Also
when
you're
talking
about
Land
Management
land
transactions,
it
requires.
V
You
know
a
full
understanding
of
you
know
legal
descriptions,
what
these
transactions
are
doing,
how
to
spatially
Overlay
them,
and
this
has
not
been
something
that
ETS
can
support.
But
Jason
I
would
defer
to
you
to
explain
your
conversations
with
ETS
and.
W
Mr,
chairman
representative
Schwartz,
each
time
we
stand
up
a
new
database.
We
obviously
speak
with
ETS
and
try
to
get
some
sense
of
it.
Is
it
something
that
they
can
build
for
us
and
support,
and
for
the
long
term
as
well
or
is
it
something
they
can't
and
each
time
our
use
case
was
too
sophisticated
for
them
to
actually
stand
up
and
support
it
for
the
long
term?
So,
as
the
Director
mentioned,
we
purchased
off-the-shelf
products
in
an
effort
to
be
efficient
with
time
and
money
to
move
forward.
W
But
with
those
you
need
to
have
some
maintenance
internally.
Our
specific
use
of
those
products
specifically
and
that's
another
thing
that
ETS
hasn't
been
able
to
deliver
to
us
simply
because
you
would
they
would
need
a
very
I,
don't
know
about
sophisticated
stuff,
but
train
staff
and
those
specific
databases,
and-
and
they
don't
have
that
right
now
and
I,
don't
know
if
that
would
be
an
efficient
use
of
their
resources
because
it
would
be
just
directed
at
our
office.
But
this
asked
and
what
we've
done
in
the
past
has
been
once
you
get.
W
An
umbrella
system
set
up.
Gis
and
esri
are
the
same
type
of
a
scenario
and,
and
that
would
be
more
of
a
Statewide
Enterprise
type.
Look
at
the
system
once
that's
put
together.
How
does
our
agency
operate
within
it
and
that's
what
these
positions
are
are
that's
what
we
expect
them
to
do
is
operate
within
the
the
more
umbrella,
Enterprise
type
situations.
I
F
Lost
on
the
term
off-the-shelf
software
I
think
of
an
access
database,
that's
off
the
shelf.
To
me.
Are
you
talking
about
that?
Are
you
talking
about
a
program?
That's
a
company
has
put
a
specialty
database
program
together,
that's
used
for
management
of
properties
and
which
doesn't
strike
me
as
off
the
shelf,
but
tell
me
what
you
mean
by
off
the
show.
W
And
thank
you
Mr
chairman.
These
are
all
terms
that
I
had
to
learn
as
well
very
quickly,
so
we
have
cots
and
we
have
off
the
shelf,
but
basically
you
have
an
option
of
customizing
or
building
from
scratch.
A
database
or
a
system
that
you
can
utilize
in
a
variety
of
different
ways,
and
it's
very
specific
to
your
use
case
requires
developers
to
really
get
into
your
business
and
understand
what
you
need
and
develop
it
from
scratch
off.
W
The
shelf
is
exactly
as
you
explain
something
somebody
has
already
built
that
you
can
take
and
apply
your
use
case
to
those
things
don't
match
100
ever
in
the
in
our
instance,
it
didn't
either.
We
have
used
several
off-the-shelf
databases
to
to
manage
a
bunch
of
different
programs
that
the
agency
utilizes,
the
the
largest
one
is,
is
a
system
that's
built
on
the
Salesforce
platform.
Obviously,
that's
a
sales
driven
type
of
a
system
that
developers
all
over
the
world
have
put
time
and
effort
into
developing.
W
We
use
it
for
Land,
Management
and
fund
management,
so
those
two
don't
align
exactly,
but
they
do
align
enough
for
us
to
make
small
little
tweaks
and
move
forward
and
have
a
very
good
robust
web-based
public-facing
situation,
and
so
that's
what
we're
looking
for
is.
How
do
we
make
the
little
tweaks
inside
of
that
off
the
shelf
situation
that
some
other
developer
has
has
provided?
Thank
you,
Mr
Jim.
Please.
O
So
Jason,
you
kind
of
alluded
to
it
a
little
bit
when
you
says
that
you
in
hopes
that
that
would
when
we
get
an
overall
umbrella,
a
Statewide
system,
one
on
GIS,
which
is
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
right
now
you
know
your
agency
has
one.
The
counties
have
one
we've
seen
Department
of
Revenue
kind
of
has
one.
How
do
we
is?
Is
the
system
you
have
now
one
that
we
anticipate
would
communicate
with
with
others,
so
that
if
that
makes
sense-
and
maybe
you
can
educate
me.
W
One
of
the
great
things
with
the
gis
umbrella
is
that
we
participate
with
several
other
agencies
and
I
can't
list
them
all
off
for
you,
I,
don't
know
all
of
them,
but
we
all
sign
the
same
contract
so
we're
all
getting
the
same
functionality
or
software
that
that
everybody
else
is
using,
so
that
the
data
we
put
in
there
can
be
easily
shared
among
everybody.
Thank.
G
You
Mr
chairman,
go
ahead
so
director
in,
under
the
governor's
recommendation,
he
recommended
the
two
positions
and
of
those
two
positions.
They
both
have
different
functions
within
your
office,
the
ones
the
records
and
management
analyst
position
and
the
other
one's
geospatial
technology.
Analyst
position,
which
one
of
those
would
you
rank
as
a
higher
need
for
the
office.
Just
tell
me,
which
would
be
your
number
one
and
number
two
priority
in
order.
If
you
would
please.
V
Mr,
chairman
Senator,
Hicks
I
believe
the
geospatial
technology
analyst
would
be
our
top
priority.
We've
really
got
to
be
as
current
as
we
can
with
transactional
information.
You
know
the
the
polygons,
if
you
will
that
they
draw
that
the
public
can
access
so
that
they
can
understand
the
status
of
State
lands
and
their
uses.
I
think
that
would
be.
That
would
be
our
top
all
right.
Thank.
G
V
Chairman,
that
concludes
our
supplemental
budget
request.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
appear
before
you
today
and
discuss.
V
Mr
chairman
I,
assume
you're
talking
about
23
lso,
oh
100,
correct,
is
that
the
correct
one
well
Mr,
chairman
I,
think
this
bill
does
what
we
talked
about
earlier
during
the
interim,
and
you
know
we're
happy
to
implement
whatever
this
body
would
like
for
us
to
to
implement.
V
I
think
the
only
thing
that
we've
discussed
really
that
with
the
board
and
presented
to
you,
that's
not
in
here,
is
just
with
respect
to
the
the
the
farm
Loan
program
that
they're
being
a
trigger.
If
you
will
to
add
more
money,
should
the
economy
really
take
a
dive
and
more
money
be
need
to
be
available
for
those
types
of
loans.
But
again,
that's
certainly
within
your
discretion.
That's
the
only
thing.
I
think
that
the
board
mentioned
that
you
did
not
address
and
again
we're
happy
to
implement
whatever.
So.
G
We
talked
about
that
a
little
bit
before,
so
why
don't
you
remind
us,
the
type
of
it
or
trigger
that
you
would
suggest.
D
A
G
If
it
works
better
to
just
submit
something
to
us
that
as
we
work
the
bill
and
and
finalize
the
bill
into
our
amendments,
that
we
can
bring,
if
we
vote
on
the
bill
for
language.
O
And,
along
with
that,
director
Scoggins,
if
you
could
just
remind
us
historically
what
how
much
at
any
given
point
in
time
how
much
we've
had
out
in
in
loans,
because
I
thought
we'd
set
this
kind
of
a
side
or
set
this
amount
based
on
some
historic
uses
there.
So,
if
we've
missed
that
Mark.
V
Mr,
chairman
representative
Larson
I,
would
like
to
call
Beth,
Blackwell
and
Amanda,
so
my
phone
of
friends
here
but
you're
correct,
representative
Larson,
at
least
within
the
immediate
past.
The
usage
has
not
been
all
that
high,
but
it's
my
understanding
in
the
80s
when
the
economy
was
had
kind
of
Hit,
the
skids
that
the
program
had
been
utilized
almost
fully.
They
were
turning
people
away
from
the
program,
but
I
would
defer
to
the
two
of
them
to
perhaps.
B
G
To
the
rates
basically,
but
which
makes
sense
correct,
go.
X
Thank
you,
chairman,
Nicholas,
make
sure
I
answer
your
question,
which.
O
X
Absolutely
Mr
chairman
representative
Larson,
as
director
Scoggin
mentioned,
it
is
my
understanding
in
the
late
80s
early
90s
the
fund
was
or
the
program
was
fully
utilized
it.
The
utilization
of
the
farm
Loan
program
has
decreased
since
those
years
as
it
stands
today.
There
are
only
three
outstanding
Farm
loans
out
there
right
now
for
under
one
million
dollars.
X
The
utilization
of
the
program
that
we
have
been
seeing
has
been
the
beginning
AG
program,
especially
that
first
10
year
interest
rate
where
it
is
a
very
low
interest
rate
right
now
and
we
currently
have
approximately
36
beginning
AG
loans
out
there
I
believe
as
a
October
at
the
end
of
October,
between
the
Farm
loan
and
the
beginning,
AG
Loan
program,
it
was
just
over
17
million
dollars
in
outstanding
loans,
which,
at
the
proposed
50
million
dollar
threshold
in
the
bill,
would
be
about
33
million
dollars
available
for
the
program.
F
A
X
The
co-termined
ukinski
that
one
will
it's
not
necessarily
set
because
it
deviates
at
the
time
of
the
close
and
I'm
going
to
have
to
phone.
Apparently.
Y
The
first
10
years
of
a
beginning,
agricultural
loan
is
set
at
the
10-year
treasury
bond
yield
at
the
time
of
closing,
currently
I
believe
is
less
than
two
percent.
Currently
it's
less
than
two
percent
okay.
F
Y
Mr,
chairman
Senator
Kinski,
that's
correct.
We
can
utilize
the
program
to
purchase
land
to
purchase
livestock
to
continue
the
progress
of
the
loan
or
the
farming
business.
Okay,.
G
Further
questions
so
any
scrivener's
errors
or
any
of
any
other
comments
on
on
the
current
draft.
V
Mr
chairman,
not
that
I
can
see.
I
was
looking
for
my
notes
and
we
were
talking
about
a
trigger
and
I
just
wanted
to
recall
that
when
we
spoke
to
the
the
slip
they
were
thinking
like,
if
the
federal
fund
rate
and
or
the
prime
rate
exceeds
a
specific
rate
that
there
be
an
allotment
of
a
predetermined
amount,
that
would
be
added
to
the
program
and
available
or
the
demand,
and
that
was
just
one
of
their
excuse
me,
one
of
their
ideas.
G
Well,
the
concept
was
if
the
prime
rate
exceeds
some
certain
amount,
then
additional
loan
dollars
but
remain
available.
Correct.
V
Mr
chairman
Mr
chairman,
it's
just
been
brought
to
my
attention
by
my
folks
that
there
is
one
thing
that
we
would
suggest
adding
on
page
four
in
B
down
in
line
21,
that
we
include
Special
Districts
into
that
list
of
loans
to
be
made
to
cities,
towns,
counties,
Special,
Districts,
school
districts
and
Community
College
districts
for
infrastructure
projects.
And
then
you
added
two
airport
boards
and
joined
Powersports.
F
A
K
P
O
Of
some
Larson
director's
Goggins,
going
back
to
your
point
on
triggering
an
infusion
of
funds
in
the
program
done
that
we
can
always
do
that
in
a
legislative
session
as
well.
We
could
we
could
allocate
that
rather
than
having
it
if
we
if
we
found
that
is,
is
that
also
a
reasonable
approach
to
addressing
that
kind
of
an
issue?
Mr.
G
G
Okay,
so
next
Brian
you
want
once
you
come,
walk
us
through
the
amendments
to
this
bill
and
refresh
our
memories
on
and
will
Jason
Chase
it
a
little
bit.
U
Okay,
Mr
chairman
23,
also
100
State
loan
and
bond
programs,
draft
0.9
5-01
in
the
online
Beauty
materials.
This
build
draft
decreases
limits
the
maximum
limits
for
loan
amounts
for
Farm
loans,
infrastructure
projects
and
Street
and
road
projects
and
limits
new
loans
for
the
student,
dorm,
Capital
Construction
Loan
program
and
the
joint
Powers
Act
Loan
program
under
161109.
The
committee
considered
this
bill
in
October
and
directed
really
three
primary
changes.
U
First,
the
insertion
of
specified
dollar
amounts
to
be
the
new
maximum
limits,
based
on
what
the
office
of
State
lands
and
Investments
proposed
in
October.
Second,
it
precludes
new
joint
power
act,
loans
and
student
dorm
loans
after
April
1
2023,
and
then
it
authorizes
that
infrastructure
loans
under
16
1
111
to
be
available
for
airport
boards
for
airport
facilities.
F
U
Chairman
I'm
not
sure
about
what
was
removed
from
this
draft,
but
I
believe
between
the
the
committee's
prior
meeting
I.
Think
it's
September
and
October.
The
committee
split
out
the
Loan
program
or
the
excuse
me.
The
drainage,
District
bonds
was
split
out
into
a
separate
draft,
I'm,
not
sure
anything
specifically
was
removed
between
October
and
December,
though.
A
U
Two
lines:
nine:
through
twelve
changes.
These
are
the
farm
loans.
It
changes
the
aggregate
maximum
limit
from
275
million
to
50
million
dollars,
then
page
two
lines
at
11
and
12.
This
is
new
in
the
Bill
draft
161109a
and
just
specifies
that
before
April
1
of
2023,
the
the
board
can
make
loans
under
the
joint
Powers
Act
and
then
on
page
three
lines:
18
to
20,
just
inserts
a
sentence
that
says
no
new
loans.
Under
this
program
on
and
after
April
1
2023.
U
Moving
on
to
page
three
or
excuse
me
to
to
page
four
line,
six
through
eight,
these
are
the
the
the
capital
construction
loans
that
are
available
and
would
change
the
aggregate
limit
from
400
million
dollars
to
175
million
dollars.
The
language
that
is
stricken
on
lines.
Eight
through
twelve
there
was
there,
was
previously
a
division
that
200
of
the
400
million
could
be
used
for
infrastructure
projects.
U
The
remaining
200
million
available
for
Road
and
Street
projects
that
delineation
is,
is
stricken
then
page
4
line
23
inserts
language
into
the
eligible
entities
for
these
loans
to
include
airport
boards
and
Joint
Powers
boards
for
airport
projects.
The
language
that's
on
the
top
of
page
five
lines,
one
through
three
comes
directly
from
16-1109,
where
these
loans
were
previously
authorized.
U
Yeah,
so
so
Mr
chairman
what
it
would
do
by
inserting
Special
Districts
on
page
four
line
22,
it
would
make
Special
Districts
eligible
for
infrastructure,
loans
and
Road
and
Street
loans.
U
And
Mr
chairman
moving
on
to
page
six
lines
9
through
13.
This
strikes
language
regarding
the
road
and
Street
loans
to
remove
the
100
million
dollar
in
any
one-year
limit
and
and
not
more
than
35
million
dollar
limit
of
rotor
Street
loans
to
cities,
towns
and
counties.
So
it
would
just
be
a
flat
if
all
of
the
changes
are
adopted,
it
would
be
a
flat
175
million
available
for
both
infrastructure
projects
and
Road
and
Street
projects.
U
Foreign
moving
on
to
page
seven
lines,
one
through
ten.
This
strikes
language
in
21,
18
206,
which
concerns
revenue
bonds
for
community
colleges
that
addresses
withholding
a
portion
of
state
aid
and
applying
to
any
bond
default.
This
is
a
conforming
amendment
to
a
change
later
in
the
bill.
Page
seven
lines
18
through
21
strikes
language
that
authorizes
the
state
to
invest
permanent
funds
in
any
bond.
That's
issued
for
a
community
college
moving
on
to
page
eight
line.
Four.
U
U
U
Mr
chairman,
the
change
to
11
34
117c,
that
that
was
just
a
re,
removing
the
Permanent
Fund
allocation
from
that
yep
and
then
16,
1,
111
c,
one
through
three.
That's
more
of
the
conforming
Amendment
for
the
Rhoden
Street
projects
that
just
repeals
the
three
paragraphs
that
reference
cities,
towns
and
counties
then
page
12
lines.
One
to
three
just
specifies
that
nothing
in
this
act
would
be
construed
to
modify
or
impair
any
existing
contracts
or
release
or
diminish
in
any
way
any
obligation
that
the
state
currently
holds
then
page
12
line
15.
U
This
is
new
language
from
October
and
it
just
specifies
that
on
and
after
April
1
2023,
the
state
loan
and
investment
board
shall
not
authorize,
approve
or
Finance
any
new
loan,
Under
The,
Joint,
Powers,
Act
Loan
program
under
161109,
and
then
a
student
dorm
Capital
construction
loan
under
21
18
319,
page
13
line.
Four
is
a
reporting
requirement
for
the
office
of
State
lands
and
Investments
to
report
to
this
committee,
not
later
than
15
days.
After
all,
of
the
joint
Powers
Act
loans
are
are
retired
and
all
of
the
student
dorm
loans
are
retired.
U
For
the
committee
to
consider
potentially
repealing
that
language
in
its
outset
with
that,
Mr
chairman,
the
the
bill
would
also
be
effective
immediately.
That
was
another
change
that
the
committee
directed
in
October
with
that
Mr
chairman
I'd
sit
for
questions.
G
Or
action
on
the
bill,
Mr
chairman
go
ahead,
represent
I'm,
sorry,
Senator,
Pickens,
okay
and
page
nine
staff
has
highlighted
those
and
also
page
10.
for
each
one
of
these
programs.
We
have
different
rates
of
interest
and
and
again
I
think
we
ought
to
have
a
consistent
Loan
program
for
these
and
use
the
exact
same
interest
rates,
regardless
of
where
you're
at
and
so
Mr,
chairman
and
I
recollect.
G
So
we
can
do
this,
we're
the
lender
of
some
case
of
Last
Resort,
but
I.
Don't
think
we
ought
to
lose
money
doing
this
program,
so
we're
not
making
money
but
we're
not
losing
money
if
we
have
the
same
rate
as
what
the
treasurer
would
invest.
Those
monies
in
just
U.S
government
treasuries,
which
is
probably
one
of
the
most
conservative
investment
strategies
that
they
have
so.
F
G
G
Any
more
comments
on
that
proposal
and
I
take
a
that's
a
friendly
amendment
to
your
dude
that
we
had
some
type
of
a
minimum.
Do.
O
O
C
A
G
Yeah
Mr,
chairman
and
and
to
address
representative
stiff.
That's
that's
what
the
whole
idea
is,
but
if
we're
going
to
lend
this
money,
which
this
says,
we
will
lend
this
money.
If
there's
an
applicant,
they
meet
all
the
eligibility
and
slip
approves
it
I,
just
don't
want
to
lose
any
money,
and
so
so
think
of
that
money
right
now,
as
it
sits
in
those
accounts,
knowing
that
slip,
May
potentially
award
those
funds.
My
understanding
from
the
treasurer's
office
is
that
these
are.
L
G
In
short
term
type
of
Investments,
this
would
just
say:
look
if
we're
going
to
do
30
years
in
the
state
treasure
or
they
had
invested
in
fixed
income
for
30
years.
That's
at
that
point
in
time.
If
that
was
bought
a
30-year
Bond
we're
not
going
to
lose
any
money
by
doing
this
loan
to
somebody
under
a
30-year
contract
or
a
10-year
contract
or
a
five-year
contract
or
a
two-year
contract.
G
D
F
Go
ahead,
I
do
recall
there
was
additional
discussion
on
whether
or
not
we.
What
we
should
be
doing
is
I
think
the
long-term
equivalent
to
long-term
pmtf
earnings
and
perhaps
a
risk
premium
there
as
well.
So
now,
we've
got
sort
of
the
broad
range
anything
from
a
minimum
treasury
notes
to
pmtf
plus
a
premium,
and
but
there
was,
if
that's
our
guiding
principle
that
we
want
to
make
up
the
Lost
opportunity
cost.
We
should
be
looking
at
what
the
earnings
on
the
pmtfr
and.
F
G
L
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
just
for
as
a
newbie.
My
back
background
knowledge
here
is
the
purpose
of
this
program,
the
state
loan
and
bond
program
to
make
the
state
money
or
is
it
to
fill
gaps
right.
So
if
we
have
somebody
in
our
Legacy
industry,
an
AG
wanting
to
pass
on
that
business
and
the
new
owner
needs
to
cash
flow
that
are,
we
then
making
sure
that
they
can
do
that
at
a
lower
interest
rate
than
at
a
bank
you
know,
or
with
our
cities
and
local
governments,
building
out
infrastructure.
L
A
G
I
I
think
that's
the
the
answer
that
the
proof
isn't
importing
when
interest
rates
were
very
high.
That's
exactly
what
we
did
when
they're
talking
about
the
late
70s
early
80s,
because
interest
rates
were
12
15.
Basically
so.
G
Chairman
and
and
I,
like
you
know,
the
concept
of
whatever
the
pmpf
is,
but
remember,
that's
managed,
based
on
an
asset
allocation.
It
has
things
like
private
Equity
that
generate
a
lot
more
Revenue,
equity
and
and
over,
but
it
also
has
a
mixed
portfolio
on
here.
So
I
don't
know
saying
that
we
need
to
compare
a
fixed
income
type
of
loan
back
to
investments
in
private
Equity
that
generate
14,
which
gives
us
right
now.
G
If
you
look
at
the
pmpf,
the
asset
allocation
is
across
all
of
these
ranges
and
we're
talking
about
fixed
income
for
the
purpose
of
this
program.
I,
don't
know
that
that's
a
fair
comparison
that
we'd
want
to
use
as
say
whatever
the
pmpf
is,
because
it
has
investment
opportunities
that
far
exceed
what
fixed
income
would
do.
Yeah.
G
A
G
F
F
That's
how,
before
we
had
this,
that's
what
people
did
is
they'd
go
float
a
bond
and,
and
some
of
them
do
I
mean
we
gave
the
university
the
ability
to
borrow
quarter
billion
dollars,
but
they
found
out.
They
could
go
to
the
bond
market
cheaper
and
that's
that's
what
they
did
for
their
dorms,
so
in
in
any
any
place
that
doesn't
have
this
much
money
available
as
just
a
high
profile
Target
for
politicians,
people
just
float
bonds.
B
U
L
U
U.S
treasury
yield
commiserate
with
the
length
of
the
loan
plus
and
then
I
heard
discussion
of
a
risk
premium
and
I
think
that
that
piece,
Mr
chairman
chairman
Kinski,
if
that
could
be
fleshed
out
a
bit
further,
that
would
be
helpful.
Well.
G
G
Slip
but
a
not
to
exceed
kind
of
a
component
or
a
reasonable
cost
for
I,
don't
know
if
we
want
to
put
a
specific
number
in
that.
That's
my
point
is
just
allow
them
the
flexibility
to
do
it.
C
F
Go
ahead,
you
made
an
aside
about
the
farm
programs.
I
will
say
this.
The
the
big
issue
in
agriculture
is
is
not
necessarily
the
cost
of
capital
to
borrow
for
succession.
It's
having
a
successor,
I
mean
there's,
there's
so
many
ranchers
and
I'm
not
talking
about
people
flying
in
Lear,
Jets
and
talking
about
actual
Ranchers.
F
F
G
I
would
move
that
we
indexed
it
to
treasuries
and
for
the
duration
of
the
treasuries
for
those
loans.
So
any.
D
O
O
G
So,
let's,
let's
do
this:
let's
say
that
on
the
risk
premium
not
to
exceed
two
percent,
so
in
other
words
they
could
come
back
and
say
two
percent
over
a
10-year
treasury
right,
that's
the
risk
premium,
but
it
allows
those
if
they're
going
to
do
that
to
have
some
flexibility
to
increase
that
rate
of
return
associated
with
the
risk.
So.
D
K
A
G
G
K
Amendments
Mr
chairman
go
ahead.
Moving
to
page
four
line,
21,
inserting
the
language
Special,
Special,
Districts,
yeah
line,
four
page
or
page
four
line,
21.
G
While
we're
at
it
is,
is
there
any
public
comment
on
this
bill
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
make
that
opportunity
available?
Okay,
any.
A
G
G
G
R
R
R
Besides
the
Manning
issue,
we
remain
decisively
engaged
on
many
fronts
and
just
a
couple
key
ones
that
I
think
would
have
interest
for
you
on
the
budget
front.
First
tis
or
Transportation
information
system,
which
is
the
replacement
for
Riz,
is
progressing
nicely
so
working
with
our
partners
at
ETS
and
I
can't
thank
them
enough
for
what
they've
done
we're
still
in
the
vendor
selection
phase,
but
are
very,
very
close
to
being
able
to
announce
the
officially
selected
firm,
so
good
progress
there.
This
last
construction
season
we
completed
over
a
hundred
construction
projects.
R
We
made
good
use
of
the
extra
money
from
idja,
but
the
best
thing
about
idia
was
the
ability
to
counter
the
effects
of
inflation
and
allow
us
to
complete
our
plan
projects,
and
we
were
able
to
add
a
couple
more
for
some
of
the
newer
programs
that
came
out
in
Asia,
specifically
the
expansion
of
programs
for
the
locals
The
Simpsons.
The
systems
are
now
in
place
to
ensure
success
because
we
had
to
stand
some
stuff
up
for
that
capacity.
R
Purchase
agreement
on
the
Aeronautics
side
has
has
been
a
game
changer
and
continues
to
be,
and
our
numbers
look
tremendous.
That
being
said,
there's
a
lot
of
pressure
in
that
space
and
we
will
face
some
challenges
in
the
coming
years
in
in
that
space.
With
that
program,
the
wire
link,
build
out
of
16
towers
that
started
several
years
ago
is
almost
complete
and
we
are
working
through
the
capital,
replacement
and
local
support
that
you
authorized
last
session
with
for
wildlink
with
the
arpa
money.
R
Our
Navi
plan
was
partially
approved
by
the
federal
government
and
you
should
see
an
RFP
in
the
spring
for
the
first
seven
authorized
stations
so
also
associated
with
that
we
are
working.
The
systems
required
to
collect
an
electric
user
fee
so
think
alternate
fuel
tax
so
that
all
users,
specifically
those
from
out
of
state,
can
contribute
to
our
road
maintenance
fund
all
right.
We
just
think
it's
important
to
do
that
there
and
that's
probably
some
of
the
some
of
the
bigger
rocks
right.
R
That's
going
on
budget
wise
for
us
and
I
suspect
you'll
ask
us
to
expand
on
some
of
those
later.
Let
me
just
again
thank
thank
you
and
also
thank
all
the
men
and
women
that
are
out
there
today,
whether
the
designing
projects
you
know
making
payments
to
contractors
or
issuing
a
driver's
license
and
those
that
are
out
today
getting
ready
for
the
storm
in
their
plows
and
their
Trooper
rigs,
helping
keep
the
roads,
passable
and
safe
they're
they're.
R
G
So
I'm
curious
on
the
on
the
Troopers
and
the
snowball
drivers,
with
the
increases
in
that
we've
provided.
Have
you
seen
an
uptick
of
applications
or
any
any
movement.
R
D
O
But
there
was
an
expression
that
some
of
them
who
had
been
there
for
a
period
of
time
and
was
helping
bring
some
new
guys
on
board.
Then
all
of
a
sudden,
the
new
guys
are
at
not
a
lot
but
dollar
dollar.
Fifty
an
hour
higher
than
these
old
ones
and
I've
been
trying
to
find
out
I
reached
out
to
a
and
I
did.
Is
that
accurate
or
not?
But
can
you
have
you
seen
that
and
and
In
fairness?
O
R
Representative
Larson,
what
you
described
as
what
we
would
call
pay
inequities
and
they
they
have
occurred
with
great
regularity,
because
we,
you
know,
as
a
staff
as
an
agency,
don't
have
the
authority
to
to
to
raise
pay
for
long-term
employees,
and
so
we
were
certainly
required
to
hire
to
get
people
in
the
door
to
to
really
pay
higher
for
the
same
job
that
an
old
person
was
doing
that
had
been
with
us
for
a
while,
and
that
does
indeed
create
grumpiness
and
I
agree
with
you
now.
R
What
I'll
share
with
you
is
that,
just
last
week,
working
with
hrd
with
their
rules
within
the
MPP,
we
were
able
to
actually
adjust
that
and
so,
and
that
would
have
occurred
subsequent
to
whoever
that
was.
That
talked
to
you,
so
was
that
accurate?
Yes,
is
it
fixed
as
of
today?
Yes,
in
fact,
some
of
those
employees
were
probably
briefed
just
last
last
week
on
how
we
were
able
to
do
that.
R
So
my
thanks
really
to
hrd
and
and
to
my
HR
staff,
for
really
working
the
each
is
on
that,
because
that
was
you
know
in
terms
of
of
workplace
culture
and
morale,
that
that's
a
big
one
and
and
just
the
ability
to
just
to
really
what
we
call
to
provide
pay
equity
for
the
same
job
was
absolutely
huge.
K
Thank
you.
Thank
you
go
ahead.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman
on
the
navi
the
electrical
vehicle
station
is
that
funding
tied
to
anything
else
and
I
guess
furthering
the
question
then,
would
be
if
we
did
not
accept
the
funding
and
chose
not
to
put
in
any
government-sponsored
electric
charging
stations.
Would
we
risk
other
federal
dollars
coming
to
the
state
of
Wyoming
yeah.
R
Mr,
chairman
representative
Walters,
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
that
number
is
not
tied
to
anything
else.
So
it's
it's
it's
basically,
you
know
25
million
dollars
that
comes
in
that
the
task
is
to
provide.
You
know
electric
charging
as
part
of
this
National
Electric
corridor,
foreign.
O
Follow-Up
on
that
General
Reiner
and
it
seems
kind
of
off
the
wall,
but
is
there
a
Folks
up
in
between
montconier
interested
in
in
getting
charging
stations?
Is
there
a
grant
program?
Is
there
a
loan
program
out
there
through
white
Auto
through
transportation,
to
to
guide
them
in
a
process?
There
is
that
someplace
else.
R
Mr,
chairman
and
I
representative
Larson,
so
probably
keeping
the
answer
sort
of
short
there's
one
is
the
navi
funding
itself
cannot
get
up
to
Fremont
County
yet
because
that
has
to
be
used
on
the
corridors
which
are
really
the
interstates
in
terms
of
available
funding
for
local
communities
off
Corridor
two
sources.
R
That's
that's
supposed
to
be
come
as
part
of
Egypt
and
we
just
haven't
seen
the
details.
So
I
would
just
you
know
that
one
Council
patients
and
and
as
soon
soon
as
we
have
that
information
we'll
push
it
out,
because
your
community
is
not
alone
and
and
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
interest
in
hey.
How
do
we
do
this.
A
G
R
Yet
Mr
chairman,
the
exceptions
were
not
successful,
so
we
asked
basically
for
11.,
they
approved
three
and
the
one
that
had
the
distance
was
actually
in
between
Gillette
and
buffalo
and
that
one
they
approved
for
one
year,
the
rest
of
them
they
they
did
not
approve.
At
this
point,
we're
we're
at
an
impasse
on
that
I'm,
not
sure
where
it
will
go,
but
our
Council
to
ourselves
has
been
hey.
We've
got
authorities
spend
two
years
worth
of
money,
so
that's.
R
Basically,
10
million
dollars
is
5
million
a
year
and
we'll
put
in
the
first
seven
stations,
which
we
agree
on
and
then
and
then
really
in
fact,
even
last
week,
we're
starting
to
negotiate
on
the
next
phase.
Really
what
what?
What
I'd
like
the
federal
government
to
do
is
to
give
us
authority
to
put
in
a
smaller
station
it
just
it
just
doesn't
make
sense.
The
return
on
investment
is
so
bad
for
a
force
for
charging
station.
R
It's
it's
costs,
a
million
dollars
to
put
it
in
and
and
it's
that
means
some
Wyoming
Business
has
to
cough
up
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
put
it
in
because
that's
the
match
and
the
return
on
investment
based
on
the
number
of
electrical
vehicles
on
the
road
is
just
not
there,
and
so
we've
been
pretty
adamant
that
we
didn't
think
that
was
right
to
the
Wyoming
constituency
to
do
that.
R
A
C
R
Chairman
and
representative,
so
so
excellent
question.
Yes,
we
do
intend
to
put
in
seven
and
that's
the
current
approved
plan.
The
and
they're
all
the
requirement
for
a
station
under
the
navi
plan
is
with
is
on
Corridor,
so
I-80
I-25
I-90
within
one
mile
of
the
interstate,
and
it
has
to
have
four
Chargers
and
they're
all
DC,
fast
Chargers
of
of
at
least
at
least
350
KW,
so
so
capable
of
climate
taste
simultaneously
charging
four
vehicles
and
actually
that's
four
at
150..
A
A
Director,
thank
you.
Could
you
remind
me
of
the
locations
of
those
stations,
so
I
could
help
out
representative
stent.
R
R
Not
one
here's
the
good
news
now,
here's
what
we
didn't
do
from
from
you
know,
State
planning
perspective
is
if
there
was
already
an
existing
station
or
one
that
has
been
planned
to
be
built
by
either
Tesla
or
Electrify
America.
We
did
not
think
it
wise
to
spend
nebby
money
there
in
the
case
of
the
community
and
represents
this
area.
C
Mr,
chairman
follow-up
director,
thank
you
for
the
information.
I
do
have
the
poor
judgment
that
I
did
by
an
electric
vehicle,
and
the
one
thing
I
can
say
that
I'm,
proud
of
is
that
it
runs
entirely
off
of
Wyoming
coal
right.
You
plug
it
in
all.
The
electrons
are
from
the
Bridger
power
plant,
so
I'm
very
pleased
by
that
and
as
a
result,
it
does
have
a
larger
carbon
footprint
than
a
comparably
sized
gas
vehicle
and
I'm
proud
of
that
too.
So,
okay,.
A
G
F
Thanks
for
being
here,
I
I
appreciate
and
I
appreciate
our
correspondence
back
and
forth
and
and
I
I
know
it
must
be
frustrating
sometimes
but
I,
remember:
Mark
Gillette.
When
he's
the
district
director,
it
was
him
or
somebody
else
said
you
know,
nobody
understands
sewer
lines
or
water
lines,
but
everybody
knows
how
to
drive.
So
there's
always
a
commentary
to
be
offered,
and
so
I
appreciate
your
patience
when,
when
I
relay
things
I
hear
from
constituents,
I
wanted
to
just
sort
of
highlight
something
for
you.
F
We
had
a
training
orientation
for
the
for
new
members
of
Jac
and
and
they're
all
here
today,
and
a
question
came
up
that
we
get
these
budget
books
for
every
agency,
except
why
Dot
and
Game
and
Fish,
and
they
asked
why
why
don't
we
get
a
detailed
budget
book
that
fits
the
same
format
and
the
answer
was
well
they're
independent.
F
We
get
a
PowerPoint
detailed,
but
in
that
there
have
been
times
in
the
past
where
ydot
gave
us
a
detailed
Budget
on
par
with
what
we're
used
to
seeing
for
all
other
agencies.
The
idea
being
we
don't
control
your
budget,
but
you
know
we
probably
ought
to
be
informed.
I,
don't
know
what.
Ultimately,
this
committee
will
decide,
but
I
just
want
to
give
you
a
heads
up
for
the
next
biennia.
There
may
be
a
decision
that
we'd
like
you
to
come
in
with
something
that's
more.
F
R
You
Mr
chairman,
Mr
chairman,
that's
fair
I
did
bring
my
23-24
bionian
book
like
you
have.
If
there's
no
change
from
from
last
year,
I
I
think
in
in
the
spirit
of
a
true
biennial
budget.
Our
decision
was,
we
have
no
supplementary
requests.
The
budget
that
we
talked
last
year
is
the
same
budget.
Okay,
so
I
think
that
would
be
how
I
think
through
it.
Z
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
my
name
is
Dennis
Byrne
I'm,
the
CFO
with
why
not
and
to
my
right
is
Rodney
fryer.
He
is
the
budget
manager.
He
will
be
walking
us
through
the
actually
he'll
be
running
the
presentation
as
I
walk
us
through
this.
Obviously,
if
there's
any
questions,
Mr
chairman,
please
at
any
time.
Z
Us
know
go
ahead
slide.
One
is
Rodney.
Mr
chairman
this.
This
slide
really
just
shows
what
our
anticipated
budget
is
for
fiscal
year
2023.
We
are
anticipating
to
receive
about
856
million
dollars
in
total
revenue
that
revenue
is
Illustrated
in
those
three
blue
boxes
there
that
you
see
at
the
top
of
your
screen,
the
federal
revenue
we
anticipate
being
about
54.5
percent
of
our
total
revenue,
Highway
user
fees.
We
anticipate
and
those
are
the
restricted
fuel
tax,
vehicle
registration.
Those
types
of
State
portions
explain.
Z
Mr
chairman,
the
restricted,
Highway
user
fees
are
those
fees
that
are
restricted
by
the
Wyoming
Constitution
and
how
we
can
utilize
that
that
is
Article
15,
section
16
of
the
state's
Constitution
Mr
chairman.
That's
so
that
accounts
for
about
25.8
of
the
total
budget,
and
then
we
have
other
state
revenues.
These
are
largely
Federal
mineral
royalties
and
Severance
tax.
All
of
that
comes
to
why
dot,
Mr
chairman
and
has
as
mentioned
here
just
a
minute
or
two
ago.
There
really
are
two
entities
that
provide
the
budget
Authority
for
that
money.
Z
Part
of
that
Authority
resides
with
the
Transportation
Commission
this
year.
We
anticipate
about
82.7
percent
of
our
total
budget
will
be
the
authority
will
come
from
the
Transportation
Commission
and
then
the
legislature
oversees
approximately
17.3
percent,
the
two
boxes
on
both
the
left
and
right
at
the
bottom.
The
green
and
orange
really
just
kind
of
illustrate
some
of
the
programs
in
which
the
commission
oversees
versus
some
of
those
programs
which
the
legislature
provides
the
budget
Authority
for
eign.
Z
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
Moving
on
to
the
second
slide.
Second
slide
just
illustrates
our
revenue
and
buying
Trends
over
time.
Mr
chairman
this
goes
back
to
1996..
You
can
see
that
our
revenues,
the
trend
line
in
the
green,
continues
to
increase.
It
is
increasing
at
a
slightly
less
rate
from
2010
than
it
did
previous
years.
Z
Even
though
our
Revenue
Trends
are
increasing
Mr
chairman,
you
can
see
that
the
red
line
from
2010
to
recent
is
decreasing.
That's
our
buying
power.
So,
even
though
our
Revenue
Trends
are
increasing
our
ability
to
buy
the
same
Goods
equipments
provide
the
same
services
are
on
the
decline.
Mr
chairman
this
was
actually
the
numbers
for
this
were
actually
put
together.
Prior
to
this
extraordinary,
you
know,
inflation
that
we're
seeing
now
so
I
would
anticipate
that
that
red
line
would
even
be
steeper
than
it's
currently
shown
in
this
in
this
slide,
go.
Z
Sure
Mr
chairman
this,
so
the
buying
power
is
our
ability
to
provide
the
same
Mission
by
the
same
level
of
equipment
by
the
goods
and
services
that
we
need
to
provide
the
services
for
the
taxpayers
relative
to
buying
power
from
previous
years.
So
our
ability
to
buy
something
and
there's
a
slide
later
in
the
deck
that
we'll
explain
a
little
bit
more
of
this.
But,
for
instance,
what
we
could
have
done
for
a
dollar
in
in
1993,
now
costs
3.92.
G
Z
Or
different
parts
of
this
presentation,
this
one
in
particular
Mr
chairman,
we're
using
just
the
standard
Wyoming
cost
of
living
adjustment.
Okay,
but
later
in
the
presentation,
it's
specific
to
construction
and
that's
actually
being
calculated
by
our
folks
back
at
headquarters,
our
construction
folks,
who
are
tracking
those
costs
of
construction.
All
right.
Thank
you.
So.
Z
Cost
basically,
yes,
Mr
chairman,
that's
correct.
Just
one
more
note
here,
the
increase
in
the
trend
is
largely
due
to
the
federal
dollars
that
we've
been
receiving
either
through
cares,
act
or
or
idja
Mr
chairman.
Z
Least,
that's
correct
Mr
chairman
at
least
as
long
as
the
bill
exists.
Mr
chairman
Ninja
Mr,
chairman
moving
on
to
the
next
slide.
Z
There
we
go
Mr
chairman.
This
slide
really
is
just
a
slide
that
we've
had
in
our
presentation
for
some
time,
and
it
just
shows
the
effects
of
de-air
marking
with
the
lead.
The
red
line
represents,
is
the
amount
of
Revenue
had
the
air
marking
not
occurred,
the
amount
of
Revenue
that
ydot
would
have
received
and
the
blue
lines,
the
blue
columns,
represent
the
actual
Revenue
that
we
received.
The
effects
of
de-earmarking
Mr
chairman
are
aim
that
about
a
billion
dollars
since
2000.
Z
Z
So
our
anticipated
Revenue
again
is
about
856
million
dollars
for
fiscal
year.
2023..
You
can
see
on
the
left
side
of
the
the
pie
chart
there
in
the
grain
that
federal
aid
represents
about
54.5
percent
of
that
within
that
green
Mr
chairman.
That
includes
funding,
Federal
funding
from
Federal
Highway
Administration
from
FAA
and
from
Federal
Transit.
Of
course,
the
Lion's
Share
of
it
is
Federal
Highway
dollars.
Z
You
can
see
fuel
tax
and
total
revenue
for
why
not?
We
anticipate
about
114
million
dollars
receipt
this
year
registrations
about
88
million
driver's
license
near
7
million
vehicle
fees
are
about
11.5
million
in
vehicle
fees.
In
this
discussion,
Mr
chairman
are
those
oversized
and
overweight
fees
that
we
get
for
those
vehicles
that
are
oversized
and
overweight.
So.
G
Z
G
Haven't
raised
him
in
eight
years
correct,
but
we,
you
know
and
representative
Madden,
made
the
presentation
that
kind
of
got
us
over
the
hump
when
we
did
that
and
what
the
presentation
was
that,
because
of
the
way
those
tax
dollars
or
the
fuel
taxes
are
administered
that,
by
rate,
we
raised
it,
10
cents,
but
the
price
of
diesel
and
gas
only
went
up
about
four
or
five
cents,
and
he
had
this
charts
on
on
how
that
worked.
And
what
and
how
that
translated.
So
could
you
remind
me
how
that
works.
Z
Yeah
Mr
chairman
in
a
general
sense,
it's
it's
fuel
is
Market
driven,
and
so
it's
it's
competitive
based
on
on
what
the
fuel
can
be
purchased
for
and
what
it
can
be
sold
for.
So,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
Mr
chairman,
what
happened
in
that
scenario
was
that
the
Distributors
who
are
actually
paying
the
tax
ended
up
eating
some
of
those
that
that
tax
and
and
not
passing
all
of
it
along
to
to
the
consumer.
That's
why
we
saw
less
than
a
10
or
10
cent
increase.
Z
Mr
chairman
just
finishing
out
the
pie
chart
here,
you
can
see
that
fmrs
or
federal
mineralities
account
for
about
64.5
a
million
dollars
of
our
anticipated
revenue
and
Severance
tax
is
about
6.7
million.
The
other
category,
Mr
chairman
include
things
such
as
the
city,
county
participation
and
projects.
So,
if
they're,
if
they're
participating
in
a
project
that
money
flows
through
us
to
the
contractors-
and
we
record
it
as
Revenue,
it
also
includes
authority
to
render
service.
Z
D
D
I
R
Yeah,
the
chairman
and
and
representative
zwanitor,
so
good
question
actually
two
years
ago
there
is
quite
a
lengthy
discussion
in
this
body
on
tolling.
You
know
it
did
not
progress,
and
so
really
it
remains
a
viable
option.
If,
if
there's
a
will
to
go
there.
A
M
Thank
you
Mr
chairman
good
morning,
director
regarding
electric
vehicles
and
the
you
know
the
cost-effective
point
that
you
made
earlier.
What
sort
of
volume
of
electric
vehicles
would
we
need
in
Wyoming
in
terms
of
charging
to
begin
to
replace
some
of
the
Lost
revenue
from
fuel
taxes.
R
Yeah
Mr,
chairman
and
representative
Henderson,
so
our
calculations
basically
show
that
you,
probably
it's
significant
and,
and
so,
when
you
start
talking
about
collecting
from
from
out
of
state
today,
there's
about
600
EVS
registered
in
Wyoming,
and
so
as
we
as
we
looked
about
going
collecting.
You
know,
user
fees
and
you
know
electric
fuel
tax
equivalent
from
out-of-staters.
R
It's
it's
a
significant
amount
of
Revenue
that
that
will
need
to
be
collected
and
and
when
you
start
I
mean
and
that's
why
we
start
saying
hey,
we
don't
think
we
start
even
breaking,
even
until
you
know
after
2030,
in
terms
of
these
charges
that
are
coming
in.
So
that's
that's
really
the
volume
we're
looking
at
and
that's
all
projected
on
current
growth
projections,
which
I
think
my
sensor
is
actually
a
little
at
the
national
level,
optimistic
based
on
Supply
chains
that
go
into
making
electric
vehicles
we
just
are
seeing.
R
You
know
you
keep
seeing
people
delaying.
You
know:
hey
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna,
have
this
model
out,
you
know
on
this
date
and
it
doesn't
happen
and
it's
a
supply
chain
and
and
so
I
I
think
that
our
ability
as
a
nation
to
to
go
all
electric
like
has
been
projected
on
I'll
hold
my
breath
and
and
so
I
I-
think
the
ability
for
us
to
get
there
monetarily
wise
is
always
off.
A
F
Going
to
circle
back
to
the
tolling
I
do
think.
That's
a
conversation
worth
continuing
and
I'd
urge
you
in
some
of
these
presentations
to
Circle.
Back
with
with
some
of
the
key
numbers.
I
was
stunned
by
how
much
of
our
budget
goes
just
to
I-80
and
people
are
opposed
to
it
because
they
think
they're
going
to
get
on
the
interstate
and
Cheyenne
and
back
off
the
interstate
and
Cheyenne
and
pay
a
toll
and
the
stations
can
be
set
up
in
a
way
that
that
doesn't
happen,
but
we're
carrying.
F
P
F
A
Z
Chairman
on
to
the
next
Slide,
the
next
slide
just
depicts
motor
field
Collections-
and
this
is
specific
to
gasoline
you
can
see
at
the
top
total
collections
for
gasoline
will
be
approximately
82
million.
That's
what
we're
forecasting
the
the
stack
chart
below
it
shows
where
those
distributions
go.
State
parks
distributions
come
off
the
top,
as
does
the
lust
calculation,
the
leaking
underground
storage
tank
calculation.
Z
After
that
cities
receive
about
15
percent
of
the
gasoline
Revenue,
the
county
road
fund
receives
about
14
percent
counties
receive
13.5
percent,
and
the
state
highway
fund
receives
about
57.5
percent
Mr
chairman
just
a
little
bit
of
detail
between
the
county
road
fund
and
the
counties.
The
the
county
road
fund
by
Statute
that
money
has
to
be
used
on
roads
by
the
counties,
the
counties,
the
the
amount
that
you
see
there
in
green,
the
13.5
percent.
That
money
goes
to
the
counties,
but
that
money
can
be
used.
Z
However,
the
Constitution
allows
those
restricted,
Highway
user
fees
to
be
used,
so
it
can
be
used
for
Highway
Safety.
It
can
be
used
for
maintenance
as
well.
So
that's
the
differentiation
between
those
two
moving
on
to
diesel.
Mr,
chairman
total
diesel
collections
for
the
state
and
about
85.8
million
dollars
for
fiscal
year
23
and
again,
once
you
remove
the
lust
calculation
from
the
top
of
that
cities
receive
about
five
percent
counties
receive
about
20
percent
of
that
diesel
fuel
and
the
state
highway
fund
receives
about
75
percent
of
the
total
diesel
distributions.
Z
Municipalities
receive
about
9.85
percent
and
the
counties
receive
about
23.54
percent
and
Mr
chairman
I
do
want
to
point
something
out
since
we're
here.
Just
you
folks
are
familiar
with
this,
but
in
your
packet
on
page
7.3,
you
can
see
just
a
comparison
of
the
fuel
tax,
both
gasoline
and
Diesel
Wyoming
and
the
surrounding
states.
Z
Moving
on
to
the
next
slide,
Mr
chairman,
so
we
talked
about
the
revenues
and
where
ydot
receives
its
revenues.
Now
we'll
talk
about
the
projected
expenditures
and
where
those
that
funding
goes
so.
This
shows
where
we're
anticipating
is
spending
that
855.7
million
dollars
and
I'm
going
to
start
on
the
right
side.
This
time,
the
the
large
blue
or
portion
of
the
the
pie
chart
and
the
red
right
next
to
it
on
the
lower
left,
those
are
all
roads,
Mr
chairman,
either
construction
or
maintenance.
Z
Finishing
off
the
pie,
chart
moving
clockwise
from
the
maintenance
operations.
We
have
planning,
Administration,
Capital
expenditures,
other
expenditures,
operating
transfers,
Out
Mr
chairman.
Those
are
of
course,
payments
that
we
make
that.
Why
not
makes
to
other
state
agencies
for
services
rendered
that
would
be
ETS
ni
Etc.
O
Z
Z
So
Mr
chairman
this
is
these:
are
the
operating
transfers
out,
so
you
can
see
that
we've
got
at
the
top
ETS
computer
maintenance,
ETS
and
I
risk
assessment
or
risk
management,
State
archives,
a
number
of
agencies
to
include
Department
of
Revenue
Office
Homeland
Security.
These
are
again
all
of
those
for
all
of
those
services
that
ydot
needs
to
perform
mission
that
we're
paying
other
state
agencies
to
perform.
For
us.
Z
Z
Z
Mr
chairman,
moving
on
to
slide
nine.
This
is
just
a
history
of
total
white
oppositions
from
2003
to
current.
This
includes
both
commission
and
legislative
positions.
You
can
see
that
in
the
early
2000s
we
were
up
around
2201
since
then
Mr
chairman,
we
we
are
down
to
about
2051
positions.
There
is
a
detail
in
your
packet.
We
can
either
go
over
it
now
or
you
can
folks
can
look
at
it
as
you
like.
Z
It
describes
what
happened
in
each
of
those
years
whether
there
was
an
increase
where
that
increase
went
or
where
the
decrease
came
from
Mr.
Z
Z
So
Mr
chairman
there
was,
we
transferred
six
commission
positions
to
the
to
the
legislative
side.
There
were
four
in
Driver
Services,
one
for
the
AG
and
one
overweight
oversized
load.
There
were
two
legislative
and
28
commission
positions
froze,
and
that
was
an
action
that
you
folks
took
in
those
those
time
frames
that
froze
positions
and
and
that
we
ended
up
losing
over
time.
Okay,.
E
Z
AA
Mr,
chairman
Taylor
Rossetti
support
services
at
ydot
to
the
representatives
question
current
year
to
date
for
fiscal
year,
22
we're
averaging
about
300
vacant
positions
so
that
that
vacancy
percentage
is
up
about
14.65
percent
for
2022
going
back
just
five
years.
We
were
at
about
nine
and
a
half,
and
about
10
years
ago
we
sat
at
about
a
five
percent
vacancy
rate.
So
that's
kind
of
the
history
of
vacancies
for
the
Department
Mr.
C
As
a
follow-up
on
the
authorized
positions
and
just
I
think
I
know
the
answer
to
this,
but
you've
got
2
000
authorized
positions
roughly
in
our
budget
book.
It
shows
563
and
is
that
just
because
the
a
lot
of
your
positions
are
then
funded
with
other
Highway
funds
that
don't
show
up
on
our
budget?
Is
that
just
explain
the
discrepancy
there.
Z
Mr
chairman,
it
does
include
those
positions
from
the
commission,
as
well
as
the
legislative
questions,
the
the
legislative
positions
I
believe
that
was
the
question
yeah
it
is,
it
is
both.
It
is
both.
A
Z
Ahead,
Mr
chairman
moving
on
to
slide
10..
This
really
just
depicts
how
much
money,
how
much
of
the
revenue
that
ydot
receive
is
a
direct
pass-through
to
cities,
counties
and
towns.
You
can
see
over
time
through
2016
the
amount
of
money.
That's
just
been
passed
directly
through
ydot.
This
is
part
of
the
855
million
dollars
that
we
were
talking
about
earlier.
Z
The
amount
of
that
Revenue
that
is
passed
through
directly
to
the
locals,
so
you
can
see
in
2023
we
anticipate
about
103
million
dollars
being
passed
through.
This
includes,
of
course,
you
can
see
on
the
left
side
of
the
chart
there
for
roads
and
highways,
airports
and
mass
transit,
Mr
chairman.
O
Thank
you
and
Dennis.
If
I
go
back
to
or
go
back
to
your
vacancy
list,
there's
a
couple
things
in
there.
I
didn't
understand.
If
you
could
tell
me
what
feel
for
new
facility
means
those
seem
to
be
some
of
your
longer
vacancies
that
have
been
open
and
then
you've
got
one
position
in
here:
that's
been
open
for
40
months,
Human,
Services,
Aid,
recruiting,
but
just.
U
AA
O
The
there's
one
there
that's.
AA
Mr,
chairman
representative
Larson
I'm
wondering
if
that's
actually
in
an
agency
other
than
why
Dot
I
think
our
our
position
or
roster
that
we
have
I
think
ends
at
line.
911.
O
A
AA
Mr,
chairman
and
representative
Larson,
as
you're
looking
for
a
specific
position.
What
I
can
tell
you
is
right
now,
if
you
were
to
go
out
to
the
a
I
website,
we
have
155
job
postings.
AA
There
are
235
positions
attached
to
those
155
postings,
so
we
are
still
continuing
to
aggressively
recruit
the
vast
majority
of
of
those
positions
that
are
vacant,
but
but
I
certainly
would
entertain
any
specific
question.
You
might.
G
Thank
you
and
so
I
think
you
said,
that's
roughly
14
earlier
so.
G
With
this
next
pay
increase,
assuming
that
it
will
pass.
A
G
Then
all
of
those
listings
will
rise,
I
mean
the
wages
will
come
up
on
again.
G
AA
Mr
chairman,
certainly,
we
are
hopeful
that,
as
those
pay
rates
come
up,
it
will
make
it
easier
to
fill
and
I
believe,
as
the
Director
alluded,
we
do
seem
to
have
seen
kind
of
a
softening
of
The
Exodus
based
on
what
occurred
in
in
July.
So
we
would
anticipate
that
any
additional
adjustments
there
would
would
assist
with
the
recruiting
of
our
Workforce.
R
Mr
chairman,
just
just
added
that
I
agree
with
what
Mr
Rossetti
said:
I
for
us,
you
know,
I
I
think
we're
we're
trying
to
be
very
proactive
and,
and
that's
that's
a
change
and,
and
so
so
we
are
out.
I
mean
you
just
sort
of
know
across
the
board.
There's
only
X
number
of
individuals
that
are
out
there
that
are
looking
for
work,
and
so
our
our
goal
is
to
find
some
more
and
tell
them
about.
The
great
God
is
to
work
and
the
good
Fair
compensation
that
those.
Q
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
General,
two
quick
questions.
How
many
state
trooper
slots
are
yet
to
be
filled
and
then
can
you
give
me
an
idea
what
what's
the
morale
like
for
our
state,
troopers
Statewide
with
with
their
conditions
and
what's
happening
now?
Maybe
you
can
enlighten
me
on
that.
R
Yeah
Mr,
chairman
and
Senator
Salazar,
so
we're
currently
about
five
zero.
Fifty
Troopers
down
now
we
just
did
have
a
pay
Equity
adjustment
for
them
that
will
help
significantly,
along
with
you
know,
the
pay
raise
that
we
would
anticipate,
hopefully,
and-
and
so
my
sense
is
that
again
on
the
trooper
side
that
the
Exodus
has
stopped
and
softened
and
we
have
a
new
Colonel
who
starts
on
the
3rd
of
January.
R
If
you
look
at
his
bio,
phenomenal
leader,
16
years
as
a
sheriff
and
comes
with
with
highly
regarded
and
so
in
terms
of
you
know,
the
morale
of
the
force
I
I
sense
that
it's
improving
and
I
see
greater
improvements
coming
down.
The
Horizon
I
will
tell
you
that
the
current
men
and
women
have
working
for
us.
G
A
question
on
this
summary
chart
here
is:
when
we
look
at
the
distributions
for
roads
and
highways
to
cities,
towns
and
counties,
we
saw
a
pretty
stable
from
2016
to
2021,
and
then
we
start
to
see
in
2022
and
23
is
significant,
almost
doubled
from
so
from
2021
till
2023,
we've
more
than
doubled
the
distributions
of
counties.
What's
the
revenue
sourson
in,
what's
going
on
with
the
formula
that
would
create
that.
Z
Mr
chairman,
so
the
to
account
for
the
increase.
This
is
mostly
federal
dollars
that
came
from
those
Federal
sources.
So
if
that's
where
the
money's
coming
from
so.
G
R
Is
that
accurate,
correct,
Mr
chairman
if
I
could
add
one
one
item
there?
So
so
part
of
part
of
that
money
is,
is
our
what
we
call
the
bridge
formula
plan,
which
was
an
increase
coming
from
from
idia
and
really
what
that
is:
45
million
dollars
a
year
for
the
next
five
years
that
that
really
the
federal
government
said
okay,
go
out
and
fix
your
Bridges
and
part
of
the
rule.
There
was
that
15
of
that
at
least
15
percent
had
to
go
out
to
to
the
counties
and
local
jurisdictions.
R
As
we
worked
it,
we
took
the
attitude
of
hey,
let's
fix
the
worst
bridges
in
the
state
first
and
and
when
you
wrapped
and
stacked
all
the
bridges,
and
you
looked
at
percentage,
we
were
actually
at
30
going
out
to
locals,
to
say:
that's
fine,
we're
going
to
fix
the
worst
bridges
in
this
state
first
and
and
so
that's
par
that's
buried
in
those
numbers,
and
that's
part
of
that,
so
it
you
know
really
our
you
sort
of
took
the
approach
of
hey.
This
is
federal
money.
R
G
R
Yeah
Mr
chairman
Senator
Hicks,
that
would
be
idja
and
it's
a
it's
a
new
specific
program
within.
I
I
G
The
bill,
that's
where
those
federal
funds
and
authorization,
okay,
so
just
to
follow
up
having
been
through
a
couple
of
highway
or
Bridge
constructions
and
my
area,
you
know
that
they
couldn't
actually
find
people
and
they
walked
off
the
jobs.
And
it's
that
they're
half
done
first
a
month
and
stuff.
Is
this,
then
competing
with
contractors
through
light
out
projects
out
there
that
strive
in
part
of
the
inflationary
cost
associated
with
this
Mr.
R
Chairman
Senator
at
Hicks,
the
reality
is
there's
only
so
many
contractors
who
work
on
Bridges
and
and
so
and
and
they
are
spread
thin
and
I,
would
yes
concur
that
that
has
made
it
more
valuable
as
a
supply
and
demand
issue.
E
G
E
R
Mr,
chairman
representative,
Sports,
absolutely
happy
to
do
that.
Here's
the
thing:
here's
an
interesting
bit
of
trivia.
We
actually
do
maintain
42
mass
transit
systems
so
and
they
you
know,
for
they
range
from
a
large
being,
certainly
the
start
buses
in
Jackson
to
the
UW
Fleet.
But
then
we
have
multiple
one
or
two.
You
know
Vans
at
our
community
centers,
that's
all
white
out
money
through
Transit
flowing
out
through
the
state
and
and
so
so
there
you
have
that's
a
large
portion
of
that.
A
O
O
Will
often
do
some
engineering
for
locals
on
Bridges
and
Road
and
that
sort
of
thing
how
what's
your
fee
structure?
How
does
that
work?
Do
you
do
you
build
them
back
for
those
engineering
firms,
fees
and
are
they
based
on
Market
fees
or
how?
How
do
you
do
that?
What's.
Z
O
R
O
Z
Okay,
please
proceed
Mr
chairman
moving
on
to
slide
number
11..
This
really
is
our
unfunded
operating
needs
chart
here.
This
has
changed
a
little
bit
over
time
in
in
2020,
Mr
chairman.
We,
we
hired
an
outside
consultant
to
come
in
and
evaluate
across
the
entire
organization.
What
our
unfunded
needs
are,
so
this
would
be
above
and
beyond
the
anticipated
855
million
dollars
worth
of
Revenue
that
we
anticipate
receiving
in
fiscal
year
23.
we
did
go
back
so
so.
Z
What
came
out
of
that
study
was
that
why
dot
based
on
needs
across
the
entire
Enterprise
is
about
354.3
million
dollars
a
year
short
and
what
we
need
to
just
maintain
our
assets,
preserve
our
assets
and
their
current
in
their
current
status
in
their
current
condition.
Now
IDI
came
along
and
provided
some
more
federal
dollars
that
did
positively
impact
that
number
a
bit.
Z
So
we
added
a
column
there
that
you
can
see
additional
2023
idja
provided
amount
in
the
areas
where
that
funding
is
applicable
and,
and
that
did
help
it
helped
out
quite
a
bit
to
the
tune
of
about
almost
100
million
dollars
a
year
for
at
least
the
length
of
the
bill,
which
brings
us
to
the
updated
annual
unfunded
need,
which
is
now
after
including
idja
about
264
million
dollars
a
year.
That
y
dot
is
unable
to
fund
just
to
maintain
Assets
in
their
current
condition.
Z
So
that's
that's
above
and
beyond
the
855
million
dollars
that
we
are
receiving
and
Mr
chairman.
We.
We
know
that
these
numbers
are
they're
they're,
big
numbers.
We
understand
that
and
we
understand
that
it
does
have
an
impact
when,
when
people
look
at
these
numbers,
855
million
dollars
is
a
lot
of
money.
It's
a
lot
of
Revenue,
but
just
to
illustrate
the
need
it's
about
254
or
64
million
dollars,
short
of
maintaining
those
assets.
Mr
chairman,
so.
G
It's
a
chart
like
this.
That
makes
you
scratch
your
head
in
lots:
lots
of
different
ways,
both
ways.
One
of
them
is
that
it
it's
it's
almost
like
a
wish
list,
and
we
kind
of
like
to
know
what
Foundation
that
these
calculations
are
are
derivative
of,
because
just
just
take
Wildlife
Crossings
and
you
we
don't
have
to
have
wild
Crossings.
We
want
safe
roads
first
and
the
idea
that
that
would
be
a
component
of
of
your
need
to
me
doesn't
really
make
sense,
but.
G
We
could
delve
into
this
all
day
long
and
have
discussions
about
it,
but
it's
it
would
be
nice
to
know
the
background
of
what
of
the
origins
of
where
this
comes
from,
because
it
seems
somewhat
subjective
to
me
and
is
it
predicate
and
then
the
other
thing
I'd
like
to
know
is:
if
we
are
down
that
number
say
it's
350
million
I
would
imagine.
G
Every
state
in
the
United
States
is
down
at
least
that
much,
if
not
more,
and
so
how
do
we
rank
in
terms
of
expenditures
for
per
mile
for
state
and
federal
highways,
and
because,
when
I
travel
around,
it
seems
to
me
that
we
have
some
of
the
nicest
roads
of
anyone
around
us,
better
condition
and
so
I'm
just
curious?
How
that
translates
to
the
rest
of
the
United
States
and
also,
obviously,
in
other
places,
you've
got
economy
of
scale
that
are
that
are
different
than
what
we
have
in.
R
Mr,
chairman
absolutely
can
do
that
I.
Think
for
us,
as
I
looked
at
it
as
the
Director
I,
like
you,
the
ones
with
the
little
asterisks
those
ones.
What
those
are
is
hey,
here's
a
10-year
list
that
was
desired.
If
you
strip
those
out,
then
it
then
it
becomes
closer
for
me
to
a
what's
the
action
requirement
and
so.
R
And
the
other,
the
other
thing
to
think
about
is,
is
you
know,
it's
always
easy
in
our
business
to
talk
roads
and
bridges,
but
then
you
start
saying:
Hey
listen,
you
know,
we've
got
450
buildings
that
are
out
there
and
and
those
need
to
be
maintained
and
we've
got.
You
know
a
fleet
that
needs
to
be
maintained,
and
so
so
that's
often
where
you
start
saying:
hey,
here's!
Here's
where
we
take
risk
and.
S
R
R
R
Sorry
is
a
hard
comparison
for
this
total
when
you
talk
all
of
ydot
to
others
States,
because
we're
the
only
Department
of
Transportation
in
this
nation
that
would
have
the
mix
that
we
have
and-
and
so
when
you
start
talking,
you
know,
Aeronautics
is
pretty
standard,
but
certainly
Troopers,
and
then
you
get
into
this
this
technology,
which
is
you
know,
emergency
comms,
wildlink
and
you
get
in
Department
of
Motor
Vehicles,
really
all
being
funded
constitutionally
okay,
but
with
Revenue,
then
in
probably
other
states,
two
roads
and
bridges,
and
so
it's
a
it's
a
different
funding
source,
a
different
funding
model
that
we
have
but
I
I,
think
sometimes,
when
you
start
comparing
them
state
to
state,
it
gets
you
gotta
strip
out
all
the
other
stuff
and
just
look
at
roads
and
bridges.
Z
Please
proceed
Mr
chairman
we're
on
Slide
12.,
and
this
really
is
just
the
highway
Improvement
ratio
here
that's
coming
up
and
it
shows
the
source
of
funding
and
State
dollars
versus
federal
dollars.
Mr
chairman,
we'll
just
we'll
go
over
to
the
2023.
you
can
see
that
currently
are.
Our
mix
of
federal
versus
state
is
about
72
percent
federal
dollars,
and
this
is
specific
to
Highway,
Improvement
now
and
state
is
28
percent
or
28
of
the
mix.
Z
G
Mr
chairman,
the
question
on
that
just
so
I
know
that
we're
comparing
to
apples
with
apples
and
not
apples
with
oranges,
I,
don't
think
just
looking
at
the
total
ratio
of
federal
to
States
adequate.
Until
we
know
what
the
ratio
of
number
of
federal
highways
is
to
the
ratio
of
state
and
other
highways,
in
other
words,
that
I
can't
make
that
comparison
and
say
there's
Equitable,
because
you
may
have
a
state
like
Maryland.
G
It
is
a
percentage
of
their
total
budget
or
their
total
highway
system
has
a
substantially
higher
percentage
of
those
interstate
and
federal
highways
versus
Wyoming,
or
vice
versa.
I
mean
I'm,
assuming
that
dries
part
of
the
entire
overall
funding.
I,
don't
know
that,
but
it
would
be
nice
to
see
what
those
Nationwide
and
even
some
what
I
would
say
comparable
more
rural
Western
States
might
look
like
relative
to
some
of
those.
Others
is
that
calculated
in
I
mean?
Is
there
a
way
to
look
at
that?
Z
G
G
G
So
again,
regardless
of
the
ratio
of
Federal
highways
versus
State
highways,
it's
kind
of
washed
a
little
bit
because
you
can
use
federal
dollars
on
just
about
every
state
highway.
Z
Mr
chairman
another
way
to
look
at
this
is
that
another
state
who
is
responsible
for
maintaining
their
their
total
load
of
rows,
their
their
funding
ratio,
is
made
up
of
69
State
dollars
and
31
percent
Federal.
That's
really
the
illustration
here:
there's
just
more
State
going
into
what
they
are
any
dot
across
the
country
is
responsible
for,
whereas
why
not
and
Wyoming
is
highly
dependent
on
the
federal
dollars
to
maintain
what
we
have
now
the
road
mix
that
we
have
now.
G
G
In
the
lower
population,
states
were
wide
out,
States
like
we
are,
do
we
pay
more
individually
or
as
part
of
our
taxes?
Of
course,
it
would
be
minerals
here,
but
compared
to
what
is
paid
in
those
other
states
where
it's
61,
30
38.
In
other
words,
do
they
pay
a
lot
more
for
their
out
of
their
their
own
personal,
Pockets
or
where's
the?
How
does
that
translate
into
impacts
to
individual
citizens
of
each
state?
That
would
just
be
an.
G
To
add
on
to
that
I
think
one
of
the
interesting
things
that
would
get
to
him
back
to
our
maintenance
and
some
of
our
cost
is,
is
when
I
look
at
that
and
I
say
say:
What's
the
utilization.
So
let's
talk
about
I-80
utilization
for
transportation
of
Commerce
and
people
versus
the
resident
population.
You
guys
know-
and
we
all
know
that
it's
a
small
percentage
of
utilization
on
I-80
of.
D
G
Make
a
little
bit
sense
that
we
shouldn't
be
bearing
to
burden
most
of
that
utilization
of
say:
I-80
is
is
not
by
Resident
population.
It's,
but
the
feds
have
an
obligation
there
to
fund
that
at
a
higher
rate.
It'd
be
interesting.
You
know,
I,
don't
want
to
see.
You
guys
spend
a
bunch
of
time,
but
my
guess
is:
is
we
have
a
much
lower
utilization
as
a
per
capita,
particularly
on
some
of
the
big
interstates
than
we
do
in
other
states?
G
G
E
R
Y
R
It
it
doesn't
go
to
ropes,
it
goes
to
pay
Trooper
salary
which
doesn't
happen
in
other
states,
and
so
when
you
start
talking
about
hey,
what
are
we
funding
with
our
state
funds?
It
gets
siphoned
off
before
it
gets
to
the
roads
and
so
and
that's
what's
sort
of
the
uniqueness
about
the
what
you
know
why
Dot
and
the
construct
of
what's
in
it,
and
so
so
we're
funding
other
things
with
State
dollars
that
come
in
to
support
the
transportation
system,
which
is
the
way
we're
designed
and
but
it
just
I
think
it
does.
Z
Ratio
Mr,
chairman
I
I,
would
add
one
thing
and
that
is,
and
Mark
will
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
we
could
spend
the
majority
of
our
federal
funding
on
on
Interstate
80,
our
federal
funding
on
interstate
80.
and,
and
that
would
be
fine.
The
problem
is,
we
would
have
no
funding
left
for
the
rest
of
the
roads
under
ydot's
purview
and
responsibility
that
that's
really
the
challenge.
That's
the
challenge
for
us.
D
D
A
Z
Right
please
proceed
Mr
chairman
moving
on
to
slide.
13.
am
I
standing
between
us
and
lunch.
Mr
chairman.
Z
All
right
I
mean
that
we
just
have
a
couple
more
slides
here.
So
I'll
wrap
it
up.
So
this
this
is
the
slide
that
I
was
referring
to
earlier
with
regard
to
inflationary
impacts,
and
so
this
is
specific
to
construction
costs
over
time.
So
you
can
see
that
actual
dollars
have
increased.
That's
the
Blue
Line
there
and
then
you
can
see
what
our
actual
inflation
adjusted
dollars
are
there
in
the
red.
So
again,
what
you
could
do
in
1992
specific
to
construction
for
a
dollar
now
takes
3.92
cents
to
accomplish
this
straightforward
right.
Z
Mr
chairman
moving
on
to
slide
14,
and
this
is
Road
deterioration
versus
time.
Mark-
usually
talks
about
this
slide
better
than
I
do,
but
but
ultimately
Mr
chairman.
There
are
times
when
it
makes
more
sense
to
do
preventative
maintenance
before
the
roads
deteriorate,
to
a
point
where
we
have
to
do
overlays
or
reconstructions.
The
reason
for
that
is,
you
can
maintain
it,
for
instance,
for
a
dollar.
Z
If
you
let
it
get
to
the
point
where
it's
in
the
yellow
there
and-
and
it
requires
an
overlayer
down
into
the
the
red
where
it's
construction
you're
talking
about
four
to
eight
times
as
much
money
to
do
that
type
of
work.
When
you
could
have
done
some
preventative
work
for
less
money
through.
O
Z
O
G
Yeah
Mr
chairman.
Certainly
there
are
roads
that
you
can
overlay
more
times
than
others.
A
lot
of
it
just
depends
on
the
base
and
and
underlying
materials.
There's
a
point
where,
if
you
don't
have
the
support
underneath
a
two
inch
overlay
is
not
going
to
last
very
long
and.
S
G
A
G
O
Lander
to
Casper
or
Mr
chairman,
you
know,
I
guess
along
that
kind
of
where
I
was
thinking.
Is
your
your
your
service,
hopefully,
is
protecting
your
base.
Your
your
underlayment,
the
gravel
but
you're
saying
weights
and
different
things
can
go
through
your
your
surf's
rotation
and
then
degradate.
Your
your
base.
E
G
Or
five
overlays
on
them,
and
it
just
you
know
if,
if
you're
in
a
situation
where
you're
trying
to
build
a
road
on
top
of
Bentonite
or
gumbo,
that
we
do
certainly
have
throughout
Wyoming
it,
it
makes
it
a
lot
tougher
to
make
those
last
than
if
you
can
build
a
road
say
in
the
mountains,
where
you're
using
a
lot
of
Rock,
you
got
a
real
good
base
there
and
you
can
overlay
those
many
more
times,
but
typically
we
design
a
road
for
a
20-year
life
and
sometimes
they
make
it.
Sometimes
they
don't
before.
C
Mr
chairman
Mr
chairman
director
Reiner,
since
I,
have
you
here
I
wanted
to
ask
what
you
think
of
the
recommendation
from
the
transfer
joint
Transportation
committee
to
put
an
alternate
route
or
expand
the
access
between
Green,
River
and
Rock.
Springs
I
saw
this
letter
authored
by
these
people,
who
are
not
from
that
area
and
recommending
that
to
you.
Just
thought:
I'd
get
your
reaction
to
that
and
when
we'll
expect
to
see
that,
on
the
step
and
and
at
the
top
of
the
list,
yep
Mr
chairman.
R
References
representative,
so
certainly
that
was
something
that
came
up
as
as
an
interim
topic
from
from
our
from
our
standpoint,
certainly
understand
the
desires
of
the
local
communities
there
to
have
an
alternate
route.
Our
recommendation
to
us
as
a
state
is,
is
not
to
invest
in
that,
as
we
look
at
other
fiscal
requirements
across
the
state
for
for
a
couple
reasons
and.
K
G
You're,
probably
looking
more
at
at
least
twice
that
much
four
to
five
million
dollars
a
mile
depending
on
the
number
of
bridges
you
might
do,
because
bridges
are
very
expensive
for
the
length
of
Roads
you
cover
with
them.
So,
but
that
would
be
a
ballpark
representative,
Henderson.
M
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
you
know
in
the
spirit
of
Christmas,
recalling
the
good
Representatives
question
on
the
on
the
go
around
how
hard
would
you
know
these
signs
that
have
a
solar
power
thing?
On
top,
then
they
have
a
a
radar
thing
that
shows
the
driver
how
fast
they're
going.
Then
they
have
the
speed
limit.
E
Does
not
buy
and
install
those.
G
M
So
referencing
the
350,
odd
million
dollar
need
and
perhaps
a
potential
Revenue
opportunity
here
with
these
signs.
If
we
set
it
up
where
perhaps
folks
who
do
habitually
speed,
perhaps
I
could
get
a
notice
and
then
they
could
get
a
ticket.
Z
Z
Chairman
on
the
last
slide
here-
and
this
really
is
just
the
the
service
Transportation
Highway,
Improvement
dollars
and
and
the
sources
of
those
funds
over
time-
pretty
straightforward-
it
just
shows
the
total
amounts
it
shows
where
it's
coming
from.
D
Z
K
R
Chairman
and
representative
Walters,
we
are,
we
are
struggling,
so
we
we
budget
for
it
and
and
really
have
not.
We
have
had
multiple
vendors
who
have
who
have
said
yet
we'll
provide
them
and
then
who
are
not
provided
the
vehicles,
and
so
we
are
looking
at
some
alternate
plans
on
and
hey.
How
do
we
do
this
because,
certainly-
and
it's
specific
our
biggest
concern
in
that
space
is
probably
probably
a
three-quarter
ton.
R
You
know
standard
crew,
cab
pickup,
which
we,
which
we
run
a
lot
of
and
and
and
so
there's
that's,
that's,
probably
our
Year's
biggest
concern
in
that
space.
Follow.
K
R
Mr,
chairman
representative
Waters
I,
don't
I,
think
The
Sweet
Spot
per
se,
based
on
sort
of
hey
here's
the
best
return
on
investment
in
terms
of
dollars.
I,
don't
think
that
changes,
but
the
guides
to
the
force
has
been
hey.
You
know
that
sweet
spot
and
you
might
have
to
stretch
that
a
little
bit,
because
I
think
you
might
rather
have
a
rig
than
walk,
and
so
that's
probably
you
know,
I
think
how
I'd
answer
that
one.