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Good
afternoon,
mr
chairman,
and
in
in
addition
to
jason
and
amanda,
we
also
have
bill
krabs
or
the
state
forester,
I
think,
he's
hiding
somewhere
and
then
just
out
of
an
abundance
of
caution.
I
have
here
with
me
beth
blackwell,
she's,
the
grants
and
loans
supervisor
in
the
event
that
there
are
questions
about
any
of
the
slip
programs.
So
with
that,
I
think
we're
all
present
and
accounted
for.
D
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee.
It's
a
pleasure
to
appear
before
you
today.
Just
as
a
little
summary
and
introduction,
I
would
just
remind
you
that
the
office
of
state
lands
and
investments
were
the
administrative
arm
for
the
board
of
land
commissioners
and
the
state
loan
and
investment
board,
and
so
we
carry
out
their
directives.
D
D
The
state
loan
and
investment
board
manages
the
permanent
land
funds
in
accordance
with
standards
and
policy,
and
also
administers
various
statutorily
created,
grant
loan
programs
that
provide
funding
in
the
form
of
grants
and
loans
to
cities,
towns,
counties,
special
districts
to
finance
capital,
construction
and
other
infrastructure
projects
with
the
cobit
19
pandemic.
It's
been
anything
but
business
as
usual
here
at
office
of
state
lands.
In
fact,
it's
been
all
hands
on
deck.
D
Our
administrative
services
division
has
been
extremely
busy.
Administering
the
coronavirus
relief
grant
program
through
the
sliv
in
which
cares
act,
funds
were
awarded
to
cities,
towns,
counties,
political
subdivisions,
tribal
councils
and
wyoming
health
care
providers,
rural
health
care
districts,
hospital
districts
and
health
care
facilities.
D
In
order
to
accomplish
this,
we
held
seven
sliv
meetings,
six
months,
three
of
which
were
special
meetings
that
are
unscheduled
and
I'll.
Tell
you
that
most
of
the
last
few
meetings
that
we
had
went
over
12
hours,
there
was
one
in
which,
which
even
went,
I
think
about
16
hours,
so
the
staff
and
and
the
electeds
have
done
a
yeoman's
job
of
handing
out,
cares
funding.
D
So
now.
The
next
piece
of
this
is
the
administrative
services
group
will
do
the
back
end
work.
They
will
be
reviewing
the
actual
receipts
for
the
funding
requests
and
ensuring
that
the
money
is
properly
reimbursed
to
folks
who've
applied
for
these
grants
now
not
to
leave
out
the
trust
land
management
division.
D
D
Osli
anticipated
that
about
75
anticipated
a
75
to
80
percent
reduction
in
revenues
for
management
of
the
trust
lands.
Just
due
to
the
pandemic,
we
were
very
worried,
in
particular
due
to
the
impacts
of
the
pandemic
on
the
mineral
industry,
because,
as
you
all
know,
the
mineral
mineral
industry
pays
the
bulk
of
the
money
that
we
utilize
to
manage
state
lands.
D
So
with
that
in
mind,
the
board
of
land
commissioners
initiated
some
relief
measures
to
help
industry
remain
viable,
while
also
allowing
a
revenue
stream
to
the
state
through
the
year
and
beyond.
We
were
approached
by
several
mainly
oil
and
gas
companies
looking
for
some
form
of
financial
relief
so
that
they
could
get
through
the
pandem
pandemic
ii.
D
So
the
board's
measures
came
in
the
form
of
lease
suspension
and
extension
approvals,
along
with
assessment
of
bonding
requirements
in
light
of
short-term
risk
and
imposing
relief
that
might
provide
a
company
with
some
breathing
room
to
make
it
through
until
the
market
comes
back.
Fortunately,
to
date,
we've
only
experienced
approximately
a
30
decline
in
revenue,
so
much
less
than
was
anticipated,
and
hopefully
we
are
poised
to
take
advantage
of
market
rebounds.
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D
On
page
19,
we
have
our
phase
two
priority
reduction
number
five.
This
has
to
do
with
a
reduction
of
the
leasing
and
mineral
compliance
system,
which
we
call
larks
and
the
electronic
royalty
management
application,
which
is
irma
2.
This
is
a
reduction
in
the
maintenance
for
those
systems
in
the
amount
of
50
000.
D
These
systems
receive
track
and
process
all
revenue,
including
royalties,
received
from
mineral
production
activity
on
state
trust
lands.
While
these
proposed
reductions
would
postpone
certain
maintenance
and
technology
upgrades,
we
think
this
slight
delay
is
not
anticipated
to
immediately
negatively
impact
the
work
and
services
of
the
agency
or
the
software
programs.
B
F
So,
director,
scotland,
could
you
help
us
understand
how
he
is
able
to
get
that
reduction
in
your
maintenance
agreement,
as
we
have
kind
of
been
asking
that
of
our
agencies,
because
we've
in
previous
budget
hearings,
we've,
you
know,
found
that
to
be
difficult,
so
we'd
appreciate
any
insight.
You
have.
G
Mr
chairman,
I
can
attempt
to
answer
that
part
of
what
we've
done
this
year
in
the
office
is
try
to
enhance
and
make
efficient,
more
efficient,
all
of
our
computer
systems,
and
so
they
we
have
a
reduced.
The
number
of
database
computer
systems
that
we
currently
manage
to
four,
possibly
five
with
a
smaller
one.
G
In
doing
that,
we've
seen
increased
efficiency
and
staff
time
and
then
customer
relations
with
us,
and
we
are
anticipating
a
further
increase
in
efficiency,
thereby
bringing
some
of
the
mineral
leasing
components
that
are
part
of
larks
into
an
existing.
What
we
call
slams
or
surface
land
asset
management
system
that
will
be
able
to
decrease
the
amount
of
maintenance.
This
larks
requires,
but
not
increase
the
amount
of
maintenance.
This
slams
requires-
and
I
think
that's
the
largest
change.
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H
D
Okay,
mr
chairman,
we're
now
on
page
20,
and
it
is
our
phase.
Three
priority
reduction
number
two:
it's
reduction
of
out
of
state
travel
and
supplies
in
the
amount
of
four
thousand
dollars.
Osli
staff
previously
used
to
provide
a
two-day
off-site
royalty
reporting
seminar
down
in
denver
for
the
mineral
companies,
largely
the
oil
and
gas
folks.
D
Okay,
we
are
now
on
to
page
21
our
phase
three
priority
reduction
number
six.
This
is
elimination
of
a
vacant
position
in
the
amount
of
150
228
in
salary
and
benefits.
This
position
has
been
vacant
for
some
time
since
the
hiring
freeze,
I
believe
it's
with
its
position
within
the
royalty
compliance
section.
D
It's
tasked
with
royalty
reviews
and
compliance
audits
related
to
trust
land
royalties.
We've
determined
over
time
that
the
duties
of
this
position
can
largely
be
absorbed
by
existing
agency
staff,
and,
while
we
may
see
see
a
little
bit
of
delay
in
services
resulting
from
it,
we
think
that
it
can
be
adequately.
J
K
J
K
D
Okay,
mr
chairman,
that
brings
us
to
page
26,
which
is
our
phase
two
priority.
Rejection
number
two:
it's
reduction
of
the
trust,
land,
preservation
and
enhancement,
one-time
wheat
and
pest
appropriation
of
five
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
I
will
yield
the
floor
to
deputy
crowder
to
explain
this
reduction.
L
Representative
summers,
mr
chairman,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
and
and
just
quickly
on
your
summary
sheet
on
your
summary
page
on
page
23.,
I
was
curious.
I
saw
you,
you
put
no
cuts
in
your
900
series
and
I
didn't
know
if
your
900
series
was
general
fund
dollars,
whether
your
900
series
is
other
fun
dollars.
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K
D
G
Mr
chairman,
this
is
a
one-time
insertion
for
the
purpose
of
whedon
pest
control.
Work
on
state
trust
lands.
It
was
inserted
by
the
legislature
during
the
last
session.
It
wasn't
anything
that
we
asked
for,
but
I
do
believe
it
was
meant
to
mimic
what
the
governor
was
successful
in
getting
in
our
our
previous
fiscal
year
budget.
It
was
inserted
into
our
trust,
land,
preservation
and
enhancement
account,
which
is
a
little
bit
of
a
weirdness
for
us.
G
G
Mr
chairman,
the
balance
is
currently
350
000,
which
is
the
total
appropriated
amount
for
that
program.
In
anticipation
of
the
governor's
requested
cuts,
we
put
a
hold
on
that
program
for
this
year,
and
only
funds
for
weed
and
pest
work
that
were
required
by
statute
through
the
special
management
program
statutes
and
that
all
came
out
of
the
trust,
preservation
and
enhancement
account.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
was
just
wondering
why
we
reduced
it
by
the
entire
amount,
and
since
we
raised
the
pesticide
registration
fees,
we
had
more
money
to
allocate
to
these
types
of
programs,
and
so
just
wondering
why
we
didn't
have
a
percentage
decrease
rather
than
the
whole
amount,
that
the
legislature
appropriated.
Thank
you.
G
G
H
G
Absolutely
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
senator
hicks.
In
each
one
of
our
contracts
and
each
one
of
our
leases,
we
put
the
burden
of
control
of
state
designated,
not
just
whedon
pest
on
those
individuals,
and
specifically
it
states
that
you
have
that
responsibility
and
should
funding
be
available.
There
is
a
cost
share
program
through
us
and
through
the
specific
wheaton
pest
district.
G
So
we
rely
largely
on
the
wheaton
pest
districts
to
show
us
where
the
important
and
high
priority
areas
are
where
these
funds
should
be
expended
and
to
also
highlight
to
us
areas
where
maybe
lessees
aren't
complying
with
that,
or
we
need
to
pay
a
little
closer
attention.
In
addition
to
that,
we
also
leverage
individuals
at
the
county
conservation
districts
and
then
our
own
individuals,
our
own
field
staff,
individuals
of
five.
J
G
J
G
Do
I
have
that
right,
mr
chairman,
that's
correct:
we're
reducing
our
cost
share
program
down
to
zero.
It's
not
intended
to
ever
pay
for
all
of
the
control
efforts
on
state
trust
land.
There
are
cost
share
programs
that
the
specific
districts
can
take
advantage
of
and
our
lesses
can
take
advantage
of,
and
then
there
are
areas
within
the
statute
specific
to
the
special
management
programs,
where
we
are
required
by
statute
to
pay
100
of
those
control
costs,
and
we
felt
like
we
could
comply
with
that
statute
through
funding
in
our
trust.
J
D
G
Jason,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
we're
very
proud
of
our
internal
system
called
slam
service,
lasset,
land
asset
management
system,
and
this
is
the
second
time
that
a
national
company
has
featured
us
as
far
as
what
we've
been
able
to
complete
with
that
program,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
highlight
is
that
we
feel
the
system
gets
cheaper
for
us
over
time,
so
it
is
becoming
broader
in
nature.
It
handles
all
of
our
land
management,
land
database
type
records.
G
Every
parcel
of
land
is
broken
down
into
40,
acre
aliquot
parts
and
and
managed
through
the
system
in
40,
acre
chunks,
all
leases,
all
easements.
Everything
is
managed
through
that
system.
We
also
manage
all
the
funds
that
come
in
all
the
revenue,
the
bills
it
generates,
invoices
it
generates
automatic
notices.
Those
types
of
things,
but
our
license
fee
structure
is,
is
an
annual
fee
structure
that
we
pay
directly
to
the
vendor
and
and
it
stays
right
there.
There
are
a
couple
normal
escalators
that
we
negotiate
down
to
a
pretty
low
rate.
G
We
believe,
but
we're
able
to
add
more
and
more
functionality
to
the
system.
As
far
as
adding
applications,
staff
can
add
applications,
we
can
have
developers,
add
applications,
but
that
doesn't
change
our
our
licensing
structure.
So
the
more
we
add
into
the
system.
In
fact,
it
managed
our
time
tracking
staff,
time
and
attendance
tracking
for
a
period
of
time.
G
The
more
we
add
to
the
system,
the
cheaper
it
gets
through
time,
but
and
by
making
that
a
leverage
point
we're
able
to
leverage
higher
levels
of
expertise
as
far
as
technology
and
people
who
can
implement
and
think
of
those
technology
points
into
the
system,
and
we
don't
have
to
pay
for
them
and
it
really
just
happens
as
a
function
of
the
licensing
agreement.
So
this
is
the
second
time
we've
been
recognized
at
a
national
level,
which
is
very
good.
G
In
fact,
this
is
the
system
that
has
the
forward-facing
front
for
payments,
credit
card
payments
and
online
application
submissions
and
online
platbooks
we're
not
reducing
any
of
that
functionality,
we're
simply
just
reducing
the
number
of
people,
internal
staff,
members
that
can
access
the
system
to
just
those
mission.
Critical
staff
members.
D
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
just
like
representative
schwarzenegger
program
down
to
zero
because
we
can
fit.
We
feel
like
we
have
a
good
coverage
through
our
existing
contracts
and
leases,
and
we
also
have
the
ability
to
to
comply
with
the
statute
where
we
are
intended
to
pay
100
percent
of
control
efforts
in
special
management
areas.
G
H
H
I
D
D
Okay,
mr
chairman,
that
brings
us
to
page
35
our
phase
2
priority
reduction
number
one.
This
is
to
modify
the
source
for
the
10
drinking
water
state
revolving
fund
match
requirement
from
the
general
fund
to
other
to
other
funds.
The
amount
is
one
million
one
hundred
fifty
two
thousand
seven
hundred
seventy
nine
dollars
the
drinking
water
srf
program.
It's
a
direct
loan
program
which
assists
municipalities,
counties
and
state
agencies
and
joint
powers
board
for
public
water
systems.
D
D
However,
for
whatever
reason
that
we
haven't
been
able
to
track
down,
the
legislature
has
historically
appropriated
osli's
match
from
the
general
fund,
so
in
accordance
with
the
statutory
requirement,
osli
is
proposing
to
utilize
the
mrg
account
to
fund
its
portion
of
the
drinking
water
srf
match.
This
means
that
the
one
million
one
hundred
fifty
two
thousand
seven
hundred
and
seventy
nine.
Q
F
D
Mr
chairman,
representative
larson,
yes,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
we
are
working
on
some
rule
changes
as
we
speak
that
I
think
are
out
for
public
comment
where
we
are
proposing
ways
to
make
on
these
programs
more
palatable
with
reduced
interest
rates,
principal
forgiveness
and
mr
chairman,
I
would
defer
to
beth
blackwell.
She
knows
all
the
ins
and
outs
of
that
and
can
provide
them
here.
R
So
thank
you
director,
mr
chairman
of
representative
larson.
We
have
set
up
two
different
interest
rate
structures.
Currently,
all
loans
come
with
a
2.5
interest
rate
except
those
that
are
considered
green.
They
get
a
zero
percent
interest
rate.
So
what
we're
recommending
and
the
times
that
we
do
not
have
principal
forgiveness
available.
R
Those
entities
that
would
have
qualified
for
75
principal
forgiveness,
they'll
receive
a
reduced
interest
rate
and
their
interest
rate
would
be
75
basis
points.
Those
entities
that
were
eligible
for
55
50.
Excuse
me
50
principal
forgiveness.
They
would
have
an
interest
rate
of
one
point
of
just
one
percent
and
those
entities
that
are
eligible
for
25
principal
forgiveness
would
receive
an
interest
rate
of
1.25.
R
On
top
of
that,
we've
created
within
each
program
a
large
loan
incentive.
Each
programs,
the
the
spread
within
the
categories,
is
a
little
different
because
clean
water
loans
have
historically
been
larger
than
our
drinking
water
loans.
So
we
have
enticed
large
projects
to
come
and
fund
through
srf
versus
bonding
or
finding
another
funding
source
by
offering
decreased
interest
rates
to
as
low
as
a
half
a
percent
for
very
large
projects.
So
we
feel,
like
we've
done
some
really
good
changes
to,
hopefully
encourage
people
to
come
use
this
program.
R
B
A
A
You
all
know
that
we've
moved
forward
doing
good
neighbor
projects
with
the
forest
service,
the
blm
right
now
we
have
17
of
those
projects
where
we're
actually
utilizing
state
contracts
on
federal
land,
to
get
work
done
on
federal
land
of
those
17
projects.
15
of
them
have
timber
sale,
components
to
help
support
the
industry,
predominantly
the
mill
in
saratoga
and
the
mills
up
in
the
black
hills.
So
we
kept
moving
forward
with
that,
even
with
our
with
our
covid.
A
As
far
as
fires
go
this
year.
So
far,
we've
had
1068
fires
reported
in
the
state,
which
is
pretty
close
to
a
record
number
of
fires.
Unfortunate
news
is
65
percent
of
those
have
been
hum
we're
human-caused
fires,
so
we've
seen
a
huge
increase
in
human
crossfires
in
the
state.
Over
the
last
few
years
we
had
19
emergency
fire
suppression,
account
fires,
two
fema
fmag
fires.
A
This
year
we
were
able
to
put
two
single
engine
air
tankers
under
contract.
They
responded
to
55
fires
and
our
state
health
attack
responded
to
47
fires
with
our
little
division.
We
were
we
put
30
of
our
personnel
out
on
fires
this
summer.
So,
like
the
rest
of
the
agency,
we
we
haven't,
let
any
grass
grow
under
our
feet.
A
The
reduction
on
page
40
is
our
step.
2
priority,
3
reduction,
it's
to
permanently
assign
vehicles,
it's
twenty
six
thousand,
eight
hundred
and
sixty
six
dollars.
It's
approximately
ten
percent
of
our
vehicles
or
four
vehicles
that
we
dropped
out
of
the
fleet.
We
looked
at
them
very
closely.
We
determined
on
normal
operations
we
can
get
by
with
those
four
or
less
vehicles
by
using
pool
vehicles,
especially
here
out
of
the
cheyenne
office.
A
M
A
Thought
it
did
so.
Thank
you.
I
I
apologize,
I'm
a
forester,
so
my
language
sometimes
isn't
the
best.
Probably
mr
chairman,
on
page
41,
is
our
next
budget
reduction.
It's
our
step,
two
priority:
six,
it's
to
reduce
our
fire
operations
supplies
by
ten
percent
or
twenty
one
thousand
one
hundred
and
fifty
four
dollars.
A
A
A
L
A
Mr
chairman,
representative
summers,
we
looked
at
where
we're
at
really
close,
as,
as
I
know,
everybody's
told
you
we're
we're
lean
with
what
we've
got.
We
felt
that
moving
some
things
around
changing
some
positions
to
federal
funded,
so
we
can
continue
those
streams
and
we
can
continue
the
support
to
the
ground,
we're
the
best
way
to
make
reductions
at
this
time.
A
It,
mr
chairman,
I'd
now
refer
you
to
page
47
which
moves
into
our
fire
unit
for
our
fire
budget.
Our
first
reduction
that
we
show
on
page
47
is
step
two
priority.
Seven,
it's
similar
to
the
reduction
supplies.
It
reduces
our
fire
supplies
by
ten
percent
or
seventeen
thousand
eighty
six
dollars
again,
it's
a
it's.
L
Mr
chairman,
mr
chairman,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
and
bill.
I'm
going
to
go
back
on
the
vacancies
and
it'll
be
a
broader
question
to
the
state
lands
office.
But
there's
you
all
have
several
vacancies
on
our
on
our
11
4
sheet,
including
you
have
one
and
and
so
one.
What
is
that
position
that
was
vacant?
Has
it
been
filled?
A
Forestry
crew
supervisor.
Mr
chairman
representative,
summers,
that's
correct!
That's
one
of
our
crew
supervisors
that
runs
our
inmate
cruise
up
out
in
newcastle
this
year
because
of
covid.
Instead
of
utilizing
the
inmates
we
had
those
crew
supervisors
out
on
engines
and
serving
as
overhead
to
support
the
counties.
A
A
A
A
A
What
this
reduction
will
cause
us
to
do
is
utilize.
Our
efsa
or
our
fire
suppression
account
for
state
land
fires
and
a
lot
of
small
initial
attack
that
we
haven't
traditionally
utilized
that
account
for,
but
we'll
have
to
it's
it's
somewhat
of
a
transfer
from
that
standpoint,
because
we'll
still
have
the
fire
cost.
A
The
other
impact
of
this
reduction
is
the
way
their
budget
is
set
up.
We've
been
able
to
use
these
dollars
for
what
I
would
call
surge
resources.
If
we
know
we
have
red
flag
conditions,
a
lightning
bust,
coming
through
we've,
been
able
to
use
some
of
these
dollars
to
put
an
extra
engine
on
in
an
area
or
to
keep
our
helicopter
on
extended
hours.
That
sort
of
thing,
so
it
will
impact
us.
F
A
If
you
would,
mr
chairman
representative
larson,
if
we
have
a
those
those
would
go
to
counties,
other
states,
federal
agencies,
anybody
that's
helping
us
out
on
a
billable
pay
fire
that
we'd
have
to
pay
for
so
in
in
the
past.
An
example
would
be
if
we
had
a
small
fire
that
we
ordered
a
forest
service
air
tanker
for
because
we
needed
air.
Those
payments
would
come
out
of
this
out
of
this
budget.
It
is
a
reduction
of
forty
percent
of
that
budget.
A
Mr
chairman,
now
moving
to
page
49.,
our
next
reduction
that
we
have
is
step
three
priority.
Five.
This
is
another
reallocation
type
of
type
of
reduction,
but
in
our
out
within
our
fire
budget
it
would
take
two
positions
which
are
now
generally
funded
and
move
them
to
federally
funded
positions,
255
844
dollars
again.
That
would
impact
money
that
we
had
available
for
pass
through.
But
without
those
two
positions
we
wouldn't
get
any
federal
money
for
pass-through,
so
it
does
have
the
same
type
of
impact.
A
A
The
forest
service
hasn't
sent
us
the
bills
yet
so,
if
you
look
in
the
wolf
system,
the
numbers
will
be
different
from
what
I'm,
what
I'm
saying,
but
we
started
with
about
the
season
with
about
16
million
dollars
available
and
we
spent
somewhere
between
seven
and
a
half
and
eight
million
we're
not
quite
sure
on
the
estimates
right
yet,
but
that's
about
where
we're
at
so.
We
have
we're
looking
going
forward
to
having
somewhere
between
eight
and
nine
million
dollars.
Balance
still
in
the
suppression
account.
H
A
The
10-year
average
is,
mr
chairman,
senator
hicks,
our
10-year
average,
not
counting
this
last
summer.
Previous
this
last
summer,
our
10-year
average
was
5
million
dollars
a
year
that
we
spend
or
commit
out
of
that
suppression
account.
We've
had
like,
as
you
say,
we've
had
some
big
years.
We've
had
some
light
years,
but
that
has
the
10-year
average
5
million
a
year.
H
A
Mr
chairman,
senator
hicks,
we
are
consistently
lower
than
any
of
our
neighboring
states
as
far
as
fire
costs.
Part
of
that
is
our
land
makeup,
the
scattered
ownership
of
pride.
We
don't
have
as
many
big
blocks
of
private
as
some
of
the
other
states
do
part
of
it.
Quite
honestly,
I
I
would
I'd
like
to
take
credit
that
we
are
a
lot
more
aggressive
with
our
federal
partners
on
cost
shares
than
some
of
the
other
states
are
thank.
B
A
Confused
yeah
jason
had
a
weird
look
on
his
face.
I
didn't
think
he
knew
the
answer
to
that.
The
the
fire
in
albany
county,
the
mullen
fire
was
176,
000,
acres
largest
fire,
a
single
fire
in
our
state's
history
in
local
in
recent
history,
about
98
of
the
fire
was
on
medicine,
bow
national
forest
or
on
blm.
So
we
had
about
on
private
that
would
hit
the
account
on
private
and
state.
We
have
about
two
percent
of
the
fire,
so,
mr
chairman,
the
the
estimate
for
the
cost
of
that
fire.
A
Total
suppression
cost
47
million
dollars.
So
our
two
percent
is
roughly
a
million
dollars
that
our
liability
be
on
it.
We
did
get
a
fire
management
assistance
grant
from
fema
on
it,
so
we
will
get
some
reimbursement
that
goes
back
into
the
suppression
account
from
that
fire
up.
It's
supposed
to
be
75
percent
of
all
eligible
costs.
As
you
all
know,
when
we
deal
with
federal
agencies
that
so
that's
a
moving
target,
so
I
always
figure
what
our
cost
on
a
fire
is.
A
E
Just
one
really
quick
one.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
as
we
move
along
on
our
agenda
today,
but
as
I'm
listening
to
all
the
agencies,
not
just
this
one
we're
transferring
a
lot
of
folks
that
were
partially
generally
funded
onto
federal
funds.
I
was
wondering:
does
that
change
any
of
their
job
responsibilities
or
duties,
or
are
they
vastly
the
same,
and
if
they
are
vastly
the
same,
then
why
have
we
been
paying
for
them
all
this
time
or
are
these
new
programs?
Could
you
answer
that
for
me,
I'm
fairly
new
to
this
committee?
A
Mr
chairman,
senator
steinmetz,
those
positions
will
be
doing
the
same
thing.
They've
done
before
there
will
be
the
pro
there
are
the
program
managers
that
manage
the
federal
dollars.
We
have.
The
reason
we
haven't
switched
them
to
fed
before
is
we've
been
able
to
utilize
that
money
to
pass
through
to
fire
departments
to
counties
to
communities
that
sort
of
thing
where
now
we're
gonna
have
to
hold
more
of
that
money
to
cover
salaries
for
the
people
that
put
those
programs
on
the
ground.
O
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
bill.
Good
to
see
you
hey
just
a
question,
a
general
question.
You
know:
we've
made
a
lot
of
progress
over
the
last
four
years
relative
to
forest
management
with
the
new
administration.
That's
all
going
to
change
and
the
model
may
be
what's
going
on
in
california,
which
is,
we
all
know,
the
fiasco
that
is
and
what's
going
on
in
california,
with
these
forest
fires.
O
What
do
you
see
in
terms
of
from
your
perspective
and
you've
had
a
good
relationship
over
the
years
with
the
forest
service,
the
med
bow
and
the
different
force?
What
do
you
see
the
change
coming
with
the
biden
administration
and
the
negative
impacts
of
a
place
like
wyoming,
where
we
already
have
this
tremendous
beetle
kill
because
of
the
improper
management
of
our
forest
over
the
last
30
40
years?
What
do
you
see
happening?
O
A
I
think
one
bright
spot
is
they
put
robert
bonnie,
who
was
the
under
secretary
of
ag
leading
the
agriculture
transition
team,
which
I
think
is
a
positive,
because
robert
has
always
been
a
friend
of
states
and
and
working
together
with
the
states.
I
think
another
thing,
that's
probably
still
in
the
positive
we've
made
a
lot
of
progress
with
this
good
neighbor
authority
being
able
to
do
work
on
federal
federal
land
and
that's
really
helped
cement
a
lot
of
the
relationships
at
the
local
level.
A
A
I
think,
even
though
we
we
don't
like
to
to
put
it
on
the
forefront
as
we
look
at
where
the
where
the
administration
is
probably
going
to
go
on
some
climate
issues,
I
think
we
have
some
opportunities
on
to
improve
forest
management
work
with
the
forest
service
closely
on
on
some
carbon
carbon
type
storage
things.
So
I
guess
I'm
not
totally
pessimistic
at
this
point
in
time.
L
Mr
chairman,
okay,
go
ahead,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
and
bill.
I
know
this
is
just
an
opportunity
for
me
to
ask
you
this
question
one.
You
know
we
have
a
really
good
working
relationship
with
our
local
forest
office,
but
you
know
our
association
has
permitted
cow
camps
on
the
forest
that
some
of
them
are
either
been
burned
around
now
or
literally
in
a
fire
or
are
sitting
in
the
middle
of
dead
trees
and
and
it's
I'm
just
curious-
is
how
you
know.
L
A
A
Relationships
are
different
on
different
forests.
We
make
progress
where
we
can
make
progress.
We
do
have
I'm
a
little
bit
heartened,
I
think,
on
the
bt
right
now.
We
do
have
a
good
neighbor
timber
sale
that
we
are
moving
forward
with
them
on
and
that
we're
going
to
be
administering
forum,
utilizing
state
contracts
and
doing
it
under
the
state
so
we're
getting
there.
It's
it's
just
slower
some
places
than
it
is
in
in
others.
A
The
other
stumbling
block
that
you
have
out
in
that
part
of
the
state,
as
you
know,
is
the
lack
of
any
mill
infrastructure,
we're
very
fortunate
on
the
black
hills,
on
the
medicine
bow
and,
to
a
lesser
extent,
on
the
on
the
bighorn,
because
there's
still
a
little
bit
of
industry
a
little
bit
of
infrastructure
there.
So
there's
some
interest
in
some
of
the
products.
It's
a
with
the
scattered
mills
over
in
eastern
idaho
or
the
mill
in
evanston.
It's
a
little
bit
tougher,
sell
on
the
west
side
to
get
industry
really
interested.
A
L
A
A
F
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
bill,
so
I
I
could
like
to
get
off
the
weeds
just
a
little
bit
and
get
your
opinion
on
the
conversation
we
had
with
the
forest
service
at
our
federal
natural
resource
committee
and
are
concerned
that
they're
going
to
reduce
those
timber
sales
over
the
in
that
black
hills
country
based
on
some
analysis
and
in
my
take
home
from
that,
was
that
they
was
going
to
hold
it
as
they
as
as
is
until
they
came
up
and
and
got
more
concrete
numbers.
But
I
what
was
your
takeaway
on
on?
A
Mr
chairman,
representative
larson,
I
don't
believe
you're
overreacting,
I'm
I'm
real
concerned
with
the
direction
that
they
may
be
going.
I'm
real
concerned
with
the
way
their
research
arm
laid
that
report
out,
because
my
view
is
regardless
of
how
the
forest
service
chooses
to
to
move
forward
on
the
black
hills
by
the
way
they
released.
That
report
they've.
Given
some
detractors
that
would
like
to
see
the
timber
sale
at
zero,
a
almost
an
open
invitation
to
start
litigating
the
forest
plan.
F
O
One
other
thing
bill
too,
is
there's
been
a
real
improvement
in
the
dubois
ranger
situation
and
turns
out.
You
probably
know
the
gentleman
he
used
to
work
in
oregon
until
the
white
owl
fiasco
put
him
out
of
business,
but
he
sure
brings
a
different
perspective
to
that
area
and
they're
working
very
diligently
on
trying
to
have
access
to
a
back
area
where
they
can
go
in
and
actually
harvest
some
of
these
beetle
kale.
So
that's
a
positive
step,
and
maybe
it's
a
first
step
in
trying
to
get
a
lumber
mill
back
into
the
dubois
area.
O
D
Nope,
that's
okay,
and
this
is
phase
three
priority
reduction
number
seven.
It
was
inserted
by
the
budget
office.
It's
to
reduce
the
legislative
stabilization
reserve,
account
one-time
funding
and
the
amount
of
ten
percent,
which
is
ten
million
five
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
perhaps
director
hibbard
could
provide
more
color
on.
O
I'd
that
pleased
to-
and
thank
you
director,
mr
chairman,
on
the
governor's
profile,
there's
a
10
million
dollar
reduction
to
the
105
million
dollars
is
provided
to
local
governments
similar
to
the
state
auditor's
office
and
state
treasurer's
office.
In
this
case,
the
state
lands
and
investments
office
manages
the
distribution
of
105
million
dollars.
This
is
in
their
budget
to
manage.
However,
this
is
the
governor's
recommendation.
It
was
did
not
come
from
the
department.
B
L
O
That's
different.
I
understand
where
your
question
is
coming
from,
because
in
step
2,
with
the
exception
of
those
items
that
require
statutory
changes,
we
b11
those
away.
In
that
case,
we
didn't
do
this
in
step
two
with
the
local
government
money
we're
putting
this
at
the
with
the
legislature,
collaboration
as
a
recommendation.
O
Q
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
just
just
some
help
there
on
on
those
dollars.
It's
my
understanding
that
that
that
is
split
up
during
the
course
of
the
year,
and
so
one
payment's
already
been
made.
The
second
payment
of
the
first
half
of
that
in
the
first
year
will
be
paid
in
january.
So
if
this
were
to
take
place
later,
the
the
ten
and
a
half
would
have
to
come
out
of
the
remaining
half
of
that
payment.
S
Mr
chairman,
director
scoggin
slightly
different
topic.
You
mentioned
at
the
very
beginning
that
priority
for
the
office
was
raising
revenue.
I
wanted
to
ask
if
the
leases
for
mineral
royalties
first
schools
for
state
section
lands
in
the
toronto
patch
if
they
have
most
favored
nation
clauses
that
provide
for
the
royalties
that
are
paid
to
the
state
to
be
at
least
as
high
as
the
royalties
paid
to
private
landowners.
Like
say:
well,
formerly,
anadarko,
then
occidental
and
now
whoever
is
going
to
buy
the
buy
the
toronto
patch.
I
D
H
H
C
C
C
O
Mr
chairman,
this
is
jeff
rood,
we're
happy
to
slide
in
if
you
so
desire,
yeah
go
ahead.
All
right,
mr
chairman,
community
members,
my
name
is
jeff
rood.
I'm
the
commissioner
of
the
department
of
insurance
in
the
joining
office
is
miss
linda,
johnson,
the
deputy
and,
hopefully,
between
us
we'll
be
able
to
answer
any
questions.
You
have
the
department
of
insurance,
we're
fortunate
in
that
all
of
our
administrative
costs
are
paid
by
an
assessment
on
insurers.
O
O
There
are
two
types
of
enrollees
there's
level
one.
These
are
the
people
who
make
over
250
000
percent,
I'm
sorry
250
percent
of
the
federal
poverty
level
and
then
the
level
two
people
are
the
are
those
that
make
under
250
percent
of
the
federal
poverty
level,
the
level
one
whip
program,
that's
funded
with
premiums,
assessments
on
insurers
and
investments,
the
level
two
whip,
individuals
that
part
of
the
program
is
funded
by
premiums,
assessments,
investments
and
the
general
fund
component,
and
that's
the
only
general
funds
that
we
we
really
deal
with.
O
And
you
know,
as
you
can
see,
on
our
budget
on
page
six,
it
shows
that
there's
a
general
funding
of
just
over
4.4
million
dollars
for
the
program
on
the
next
page.
It
shows
the
step
2
and
the
step
three
reductions
each
of
ten
percent,
each
of
just
over
four
hundred
and
forty
one
thousand
dollars,
and
then
we
have
the
governor's
recommendation
of
putting
back
half
of
that
three
percent
reduction
a
little
over
two
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
that's
on
page
8..
O
We
would
have
a
scenario
where
there
would
be
other
folks
that
would
want
to
get
into
this
program
and
we'll
have
to
address
that
and
just
and
just
wait
and
see
how
that
plays
out,
but
worst
case
scenario.
We
have
the
ability
to
shift
funds
from
level
one
to
level
two
if
necessary,
and
we
also
have
the
ability
to
deny
or
limit
enrollment
if
necessary
and
so,
like,
I
said,
I
think
I
think
the
cuts
as
in
and
are
going
to
be
manageable
with
enrollment
and
claims,
if
they're
consistent.
L
L
One
way
we
help
the
insurance
pool
it
looks
to
me
like
is:
if
we
cut
admin,
so
we're
not
spending
so
much
of
that
money
on
admin.
So
why
didn't
you
look
at
any
reductions
in
your
administration
in
your
administrative
force,
because
that,
in
essence,
will
provide
some
relief
on
on
our
health
insurance
pools?
Thank
you.
O
We
need
the
people
to
review
those
products
if
we
have,
if,
if
there's
a
huge,
hail
storm
that
hits
cheyenne
and
they
want
to
bring
in
adjusters,
they
want
us
to
be
able
to
quickly
look
at
their
licenses
and
make
sure
these
out-of-state
adjusters
are
in
compliance,
and
so
we
didn't
really
go
down
that
route.
For
those
reasons
I
I
like,
I
said
I
think
the
insurers
want
us
to
regulate
them
and
they
want
in
the
sense
that
they
want
to
pay
for
it.
O
H
M
O
O
Mr
chairman
representative,
larson
to
my
memory,
we
have
not
had
to
deny
people
entry
in
just
based
on
dollars.
You
know
there's
initial
looking
on
individuals
to
see
if
they
could
find
insurance
in
the
market
and
if
they
could,
then
we
would
deny
them
entry.
But
at
this
point
we
haven't
had
to
deny
any
one
entry.
O
We
would
end
we
would
in
essence
I
I
think
we
would
just
cap
enrollment
and
if
you're,
you
know,
if
enrollment
right
now,
if
it's
907
and
we
felt
we
had
to
cap
it
at
940,
we
would
cap
it
in.
If
you
missed
it,
you
missed
it.
We
don't
do
a
subjective
analysis
of
of
of
you
know
the
comorbidities
of
each
of
the
individuals
to
see
who's
more
more
needy.
Thank
you,
good
idea,.
Q
Perhaps
sam
kenner,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
wanted
to
add
just
a
little
more
context
to
representative
walter's
question
about
when
it
started
in
1990,
but
also
interesting
to
note,
if
I
remember
correctly,
that
there
is
a
sunset
in
2030,
so
that
would
would
I
I
guess,
within
the
next
10
years,
require
you
know
a
huge
lift
to
take.
Take
a
look
at
that.
O
B
O
Mr
chairman,
I'm
thinking
through
this
a
little
bit
I
would
get
with
the
actuaries
in
in
and
sit
down.
As
I
said
previously,
you
know
the
general
fund
component
started
in
2007.
before
that
there
were
no
general
funds,
and
so
we
could
revert
to
that.
If
needed,
the
people
that
would
be
hurt.
The
most
would,
I
think,
be
those
level
two
people
who
make
less
than
250
percent.
That
general
fund
component
makes
their
premiums
a
little
more
affordable,
but
it
could
occur
and
the
program
would
still
be
there.
F
So
and
commissioner
rood
can
correct
me,
but
it
it
sticks
in
my
mind
that
when
the
affordable
care
act
come
out
was
implemented,
we
did
the
labor
and
health
committee
did
go
back
on
the,
as
requested
by
the
insurance
commission
and
adjusted
those
and
so
those
levels
of
funding.
The
140
percent
are
not
they're
kind
of
a
magic
number,
because
that's
the
group
that
that
don't
qualify
for
any
ac,
affordable
care
act.
O
Mr
representative
larson,
I
your
members
a
little
better
than
mine.
That
might
actually
happen
before
I
came
to
the
department,
but
but
it
the
figures
work
out.
That
would
be
the
the
group
that
that
would
not
that
that
don't
have
access
to
the
affordable
care
act
because
there's
not
many
med,
there
wasn't
a
medicare
medicaid
expansion,
and
so
they
fall.
There's
that
sort
of
that
hole
there,
and
this
was
sort
of
the
net
for
them
that
that
makes
sense
just
from
from
a
numbers
perspective.
B
O
H
Mr
coach,
here
it
sure,
looks
to
me
like
we
need
to
have
one
of
the
committees.
Take
a
pretty
hard
look
at
this.
I
don't
know,
if
would
be
corporations
or
the
health
committee,
but
I
just
think
we
ought
to
take
a
really
good
look
at
it
and
see
if
there's
a
way
to
you
know
change
those
numbers
around
if
it's
possible
to
try
to
make
the
program
more
self-sufficient.
B
Yeah
or
even
just
reduce
the
or
eliminate
general
fund
dollars
out
of
the
income
above
250.
yeah.
So
I
think
don
let's.
Let's
have
a
directive
to
have
the
labor
look
at
this
and
come
up
with
alternatives
to
minimizing
or
reducing
general
fund
dollars
out
of
the
funding
process,
because,
obviously
we
did
it
when
we
had
money,
but
particularly
out
of
the
level
one
participants.
O
B
O
We
can
look
at
that.
Mr
chairman,
I
was
actually
a
little
surprised.
I
I
think
the
initial
thought
was
two
years
ago,
when
the
governor
signed
a
bill
allowing
for
the
coverage
of
organ
transplants,
we
thought
there
would
be
greater
growth
than
what
there
has
been
there's
been
a
maybe
a
one
percent
growth
at
this
point,
but
it
has
it's
been
slight,
but
we
can
certainly
look
at
that
and
be
willing
to
look
at
that
to
to
come
back
to
the
committee
with.
I
U
W
Okay,
I
don't
know
how
you
guys
want
to
go
about
this.
The
board
of
equalization
did
step.
One
covid,
which
was
to
put
a
position
on
hold
step
two,
was
to
eliminate
that
position
and
then
step
three.
We
did
some
eliminations
in
our
operating
budget.
So
do
you
just
want
to
go
through
what
those
were
and
what
that
position
was.
How
do
you
want
to
go?
Yes,
please,
okay,
so
in
the
step
two
because
step,
one
was
the
hold
in
step.
Two,
we
eliminated
our
attorney
staff
position.
W
That
position
is
the
support
attorney
support
for
the
board.
It's
the
hearing
officer,
the
liaison
with
the
public,
the
research
assistant,
basically
for
the
non-attorney
member
of
the
board.
Me
we
eliminated
that
position,
which
was
about
18
percent
cut
to
the
budget,
because
we're
entirely
90
personnel.
W
So
that
was
271
127,
I
think
in
our
narrative.
We
explained
that
it.
It
just
means
that
we're
going
to
have
to
rearrange
who
does
what?
On
the
board,
both
the
attorney
members,
marty,
hartsag
and
dave
delacath
will
do
more
of
the
research
they'll.
Do
the
hearing
officer
position
and
they'll
lay
us
on
with
our
staff
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
direct
contact
with
taxpayers,
so
there's
kind
of
a
delay
now
with
the
taxpayer
when
they
call
they
used
to
be
able
to
talk
to
the
attorney.
W
Now
they
have
to
talk
to
jenny,
who
then
talks
to
dave
romarti
and
she
calls
back
the
taxpayer.
So
we
just
kind
of
added
a
step
for
the
taxpayers,
but
that's
what
that
position
loss
was
doing
and
then
the
step
three
cuts.
We
went
through
our
operating
budgets,
which
are
utilities
dues
licenses
in
state
of
travel
out
of
state
travel
and
cut
42
000.
The
governor
didn't
like
that.
So
he
only
cut
us
half,
because
that
was
really
45
percent
cut
to
our
operating
budget,
which
was
pretty
draconian
and
so.
W
B
W
Well,
like
I
think,
right
now,
we've
found
a
pretty
good
balance
with
both
dave
and
marty.
Being
the
hearing
officer,
I
mean
it's
a
lot
like
any
other
court,
a
court
will
look
at
its
own
scheduling
conferences.
It
will
do
its
pre-hearing
conferences,
things
like
that
and
now
dave
and
marty
are
doing
them
together.
So
I
think
we've
eliminated
the
conflict,
but
we
have
now,
just
as
I
said,
the
harder
part
would
be
a
taxpayer
calling
has
to
call
jenny.
W
W
B
B
F
F
F
P
Y
Z
Z
AA
AB
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
I'm
pleased
to
be
here
with
my
team.
I'd
like
to
in
a
few
minutes
go
through
the
budget
book
page
by
page,
but
first
I'd
like
to
just
make
a
couple
of
opening
remarks
and
introduce
my
team
I'd
like
to
just
first
let
everyone
know
how
honored
I
am
to
be
in
this
position
in
the
stewardship
role
of
what
I
think
is
one
of
the
state's
crown
jewels
and
constitutionally
established
institution.
That's
so
important
to
the
state,
and
I
intend
to
keep
it
that
way.
AB
So
I'd
like
to
immediately
tell
you
about
a
summary
of
where
we
see
the
situation
and
then
we'll
go
through
the
the
budget
book
page
by
page,
I
would
say,
as
we
all
know,
for
the
the
biennium
budget,
we've
been
asked
to
cut
42
million
dollars
from
state
aid,
and
we
have
done
so.
We
also
have
a
30
million
dollar.
AB
Nearly
30
million
dollar
cut
to
maintenance,
major
maintenance
and
we're
also
facing
over
the
same
biennium
period,
an
estimated
roughly
20
million
dollars
loss
in
revenue
due
to
covet
19
impacts,
reduce
tuition,
reduced
enrollment,
those
kinds
of
things
and
we'll
be
able
to
go
into
these
things
in
detail.
So
the
the
impact
of
this
budget
problem
in
crisis.
I
would
say
that
we
have
is
very
serious,
but
our
response
was
immediate.
We
immediately
began
to
our
with
our
lowering
of
our
state
draw
of
funds
effective
july.
AB
But
in
terms
of
the
actions
we've
taken
to
deal
with
the
budget
deficit,
we've
eliminated
immediately
45
faculty
positions,
that's
45
across
every
college,
including,
for
example,
eight
faculty
in
engineering.
I
won't
go
through
the
whole
list,
but
in
areas
that
we
know
are
very
important
to
the
future
of
the
state,
and
these
are
positions
that
aren't
coming
back
and
it
may
take
years
before
we
can
refill
them,
and
yet
we
have
priorities
that
we
want
to
make
into
in
terms
of
new
things.
AB
AB
So
I
just
want
to
say
that
this
comes
on
top
of
a
large
period
of
decline
in
terms
of
state
funding
for
the
university,
including
about
four
years
ago.
Three
years
ago,
I
guess
now
under
my
predecessors,
about
40
million
dollars
in
cuts
and
then
a
decade
of
decline
of
state
funding.
This
is
a
common
problem
across
the
entire
country.
It's
not
unique
to
wyoming,
but
it
does
have
impacts.
So
just
summarize
these
impacts
and
then
then
we'll
go
to
the
budget
book.
AB
So
the
key
impacts
are,
of
course,
that
our
academic
programs
are
weakened,
and
this
is
it's
not
just
that
they're
weakened.
There
are
critical
points
that
you
don't
want
to
go
past.
For
example,
you
need
to
have
certain
number
of
faculty
per
student
in
colleges
that
are
accredited
by
the
the
accrediting
agencies,
for
example,
engineering,
health
law,
business.
These
are
areas
where
we
are
on
the
bare
edge
of
being
able
to
satisfy
accreditation
criteria,
and
so
this
is
very
very
concerning
to
us.
AB
This,
of
course,
could
potentially
lead
to
additional
faculty
that
would
be
lost
which
can
take
decades
to
repair.
It
lowers
our
ability
to
bring
in
additional
revenues
through
grants
and
contracts
with
with
companies
which
I've
spent
a
lot
of
my
career
building
partnerships
with
companies
through
faculty
research
and
through
student
preparation
and
so
on.
So
this
is
an
important
thing
we
want
to
be
doing
going
forward.
AB
AB
This
drives
the
economy
directly,
and
so
as
a
as
an
expert
in
economic
development
from
universities
is
what
I've
spent
a
lot
of
my
career
doing.
My
intention
is
to
further
build
the
university
as
an
engine
for
economic
development
and
innovation,
but
we
can't
do
this
if
we
can't,
for
example,
expand
certain
programs
in
engineering
in
computing
I'll
just
point
out.
We
have
only
eight
faculty
in
the
computer
science
department
and
a
little
bit
later,
I
may
compare
us
with
a
few
of
our
peers.
AB
This
is
an
area,
that's
essential
for
companies
to
be
able
to
feel
that
the
students
have
been
trained
in
things
like
software
data,
artificial
intelligence,
it
doesn't
matter
it's
not
just
the
tech
sector.
It's
the
ag
sector,
it's
insurance,
it's
every
area
of
every
market
that
we're
interested
in.
We
need
to
be
training
people
in
these
areas,
as
well
as
those
core
disciplines,
I'm
very,
very
interested
and
having
great
success
in
conversations
with
the
community
colleges
and
deepening
the
relationships
to
help
align
all
of
higher
education,
so
we're
all
hands
on
deck.
AB
So
we
can
really
push
the
economy
forward,
but
without
these
funds
from
the
state
it
makes
it
more
difficult
to
do
so.
The
last
thing
I'll
say
before
I
turn
it
over
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
david
jewell
to
to
go
through
the
budget
book.
Of
course,
I'll
be
here
to
chime
in
is
to
just
talk
for
a
minute
about
step.
Three
budget
cuts.
Everything
I've
set
up
to
now
is
regarding
step
two
budget
cuts.
Those
are
already
very
damaging
to
the
university,
but
step
three
budget
cuts
would
be
absolutely
devastating.
AB
We've
cut
the
administration
services
to
the
bone,
so
the
the
next
place
to
go.
We've
already
gone,
is
to
the
academic
programs,
and
so
just
to
give
you
a
sense
of
the
magnitude
of
this.
If
we
were
to
cut
the
entire
colleges
of
education
and
law,
we
would
not
have
enough
savings
in
order
to
meet
step.
Three
budget
cuts
and
that's
just
step
three
budget
cuts
alone
would
have
that
order
of
magnitude.
Now,
I'm
not
saying
we
would
cut
those.
AB
In
fact,
that's
not
what
we
would
do,
but
we
have
to
be
very
strategic,
I'm
just
trying
to
paint
a
picture
of
the
magnitude
of
this,
so
this
would
make
it
difficult
for
us
to
do
what
we
need
to
do
as
a
university,
and
I
think
I'll
I'll
stop
there
and
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
david
jewell
to
go
through
the
budget
book
unless
there
are
any
questions
at
this
stage.
Mr
chairman,.
L
L
So
what?
Where
are
you?
I
guess?
What
is
your
strategy?
What
is
the
strategic
look
that
you're
going
to
take,
so
what
programs
are
you
looking
at
to
cut?
What
programs
are
you
looking
at
to
keep?
I
guess
that's
what
it
boils
down
to.
If
these
are
not
strategic
cuts,
then
could
you
kind
of
give
us
an
outline
of
where
you're
going
with
your
strategic
process
on
on
budget
cuts.
AB
Yes
sure,
thank
you
very
much
and
very
much
interested
in
in
this
topic,
because
we're
going
to
be
spending
basically
all
of
our
time
on
this,
so
areas
of
incredible
importance
for
the
future-
and
I
laid
this
out
in
the
original
budget
memo
back
in
june
before
I
got
here-
are
that
the
university
needs
to
become
more
computational
and
more
digital.
It's
the
21st
century
that
impacts
everything
we
do
in
in
in
society
as
well
as
in
in
our
workplace.
So
we
need
to
strengthen
areas
around
computing,
also,
online
delivery
and,
and
so
on.
AB
AB
So
this
this
has
obvious
implications
on
certain
programs,
for
example
in
engineering
and
in
computing
across
the
university,
in
business,
in
entrepreneurship
and
and
and
how
that
impacts
other
areas
in
agriculture
or
tourism
and
hospitality
areas
that
that
we
know
are
going
to
be
important
for
the
future
of
the
economy
of
the
state.
So
in
shorthand
I
would
say
these
are
things
that
are
critically
important
for
the
future
of
the
economy
and
two
other
areas
that
I've
specified
as
priorities
generally
are
around
interdisciplinary
work
where
we
can
bring
together.
AB
For
example,
agriculture
is
important,
but
it
needs
to
be
connected
into
technology
and
computer
science
as
well
or
or
entrepreneurship,
just
as
one
example
finding
ways
to
train
students
in
the
the
complete
set
of
skills,
they
need
not
just
in
one
specific
discipline
and
then
to
bring
our
faculty
together
in
ways
so
that
they
can
begin
to
address
the
complex
problems
that
the
state
has.
And
so,
if
we
focus
on
the
state,
we
need
people
from
law
from
business
from
engineering
together
to
to
work
together.
So
entrepreneur
excuse
me
interdisciplinary.
AB
The
last
of
these
pillars
that
I'm
talking
about
is
around
more
inclusive.
We
want
people
from
every
corner
of
the
state,
from
every
income
bracket
from
every
ethnic
group
to
participate
in
the
university
to
participate
in
the
economic
development
activities
that
we
can
undertake
and
when
you
have
people
from
different
backgrounds,
you
also
create
more
innovation,
because
they
all
look
at
things
in
different
ways.
So
these
translated
into
specific
programs.
AB
We
have
faculty
committees
and
the
deans
and
the
provost
and
lots
of
processes
in
place
right
now,
with
the
board
of
trustees
to
look
at
with
those
guidelines
which
programs
need
to
be
kept
and
which
ones
need
to
be
cut
and
which
ones
need
to
be
created
or
grown,
not
just
kept,
and
so
we
have
a
list
already
of
two
dozen
programs
that
have
been
singled
out
for
review,
potentially
to
be
consolidated
or
eliminated.
You
might
have
read
in
the
newspapers
about
creator
of
writing
and
other
things.
No
one
wants
to
cut
creative
writing.
AB
L
L
Yes,
you
were
your
four
pillars
really
can
be
embedded
in
most
programs.
I
think
they're
they're
kind
of
state-of-the-art,
where
all
programs
want
to
try
to
do
those
synergies.
I
think,
but
I
think
it
gets
down
to
what
I
hear
from
people
and
I
suspect
other
legislators.
Do
you
know
what
programs
are
you
going
to
cut
you
know?
L
Is
it
the
program
we
like
as
a
program
you
like,
and
so
I
think
those
are
thing,
and
I
don't
know
what
your
process,
maybe
maybe,
if
you
just
outline
to
me
what
your
process
is
gonna,
so
it's
pretty
clear
to
me.
You
haven't
chosen
the
programs
to
cut,
but
if
you
could
just
outline
your
process
to
me,
maybe
that
would
help.
AB
Sure
I
can
do
this
and
perhaps
provost
alexander
might
add
something
into
it,
because
she's
leading
this
process,
but
right
now
we
we've
undertaken
a
process
beginning
with
the
approval
of
this
plan,
from
the
approval
by
the
board
of
trustees.
Back
in
the
first
week
of
november,
there
were
24
programs
that
were
identified
for
review,
and
so
initial
initial
results
from
the
reviews
from
the
programs
themselves
are
in
and
those
will
be
analyzed
along
with
all
kinds
of
data
around
enrollment
quality
impact,
those
kind
of
things,
and
so
that's
a
phase
one.
AB
A
second
phase
is
to
do
a
complete
review
of
all
programs
and
with
the
idea
that
we
will
actually
terminate
some
programs,
we
will
combine
other
programs
in
order
to
make
them
more
strong.
For
example,
one
of
the
suggestions
that,
in
these
suggestions
of
these
first
24
programs
came
from
the
deans
and
from
the
provost
would
be
perhaps
to
to
combine
computer
science
and
electrical
engineering
into
one
larger
and
more
critical
mass,
more
self-sufficient
department.
AC
Mr
chairman,
representative,
summers,
basically
what
I
would
say
is,
by
march
you
will
be
hearing
about
the
decisions
that
have
been
made
and
or
are
in
the
process
of
being
made,
and
by
may
we're
hoping
that
we'll
have
a
strategic
scenario
planned
to
our
trustees.
That
will
help
us
in
that
laser
focus.
L
Just
a
quick
follow-up,
mr
chairman,
I
appreciate
I
appreciate
that
you
know
you're
you're,
you
know
your
structure
is
much
different
than
ours
by
july.
We've
gotta
have
these.
You
know
we
by
the
end
end
of
our
session.
Whenever
that
is,
and
by
a
budget
in
july,
we
have
to
have
our
cuts
finally
decided
on
as
well.
You
know
my
worry,
is
you
know?
How
does
how
do
we,
the
public?
How
do
we,
the
people
of
the
state
of
wyoming,
get
to
weigh
in
on,
and
perhaps
it's
through
the
trustees?
L
But
how
do
we
get
to
weigh
in
on
what
should
be
cut
and
what
should
not
be
good?
What
I
don't
want
to
see
is
that
it's
simply
deans
and
professors
that
decide
who
makes
these
cuts.
It's
a
broader
discussion
with
this
state,
your
your
institution
is
incredibly
important
to
many
sectors,
many
industries
and,
frankly,
to
the
basic
education
of
our
youth.
So
we
wish
you.
I
wish
you
the
best
of
luck
and
look
forward
to
that
process.
As
you
keep
going.
AC
Mr
chairman,
representative
summers,
we
have
right
now
on
and
I'm
happy
to
to
share
the
the
website.
We
have
a
feedback
mechanism
and
an
email
address
where
anyone
can
provide
feedback
on
any
of
our
current
proposals
and
going
forward
any
of
the
new
proposals
that
emerge.
So
we
welcome
and
and
need
your
feedback.
O
Mr
co-chair
yeah
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thanks
ed
and
ann
and
everybody
for
being
here
today
and
I
and
I
do,
commend
you
and
the
way
you're
looking
at
it
from
a
strategic
point
of
view.
But
what
I'm
seeing
or
what
I'm
hearing
is
the
academia
way
of
doing
things
and
I
think,
what's
missing
when
you're
talking
about
this
is
the
business
side
of
it
and
and
just
looking
at
it
from
my
perspective
and
I'm
not
in
laramie,
I'm
up
in
riverton
and
the
people
that
I
represent.
O
O
And
I
don't
hear
that
kind
of
a
conversation
and
to
me
that
was
one
of
the
one
of
the
first
things
you
talk
about
doing
and
maybe-
and
I
don't
know
that
number
and
maybe
dawn
could
get
that
for
us.
But
we've
looked
at
it
before
and
there's
huge
amounts
of
money
out
there
and
if
a
10
or
15
percent
cut
for
a
year
year
and
a
half
might
get
us
through
a
difficult
time
and
it
might
save
some
programs.
But
you
got
to
have
a
business
perspective
in
terms
of
how
you
run
it.
O
AB
Me
out
tell
me
where
I'm
wrong
well
senator
to
be
about.
Mr
chairman,
I
I
I
hear
your
point
and
it's
a
good.
It's
a
good
point
for
us
to
be
thinking
about,
and
we
have
talked
quite
a
bit
about
salaries
and
other
things,
not
just
reducing
programs
or
eliminating
them,
but
cutting
expenses
in
every
possible
way.
AB
So
we
have
slash
spending
not
just
through
elimination
of
faculty
positions
and
staff
positions,
but
also
looking
at
synergies
where
we
can
find
economies
by
bringing
in
business
services,
for
example,
centralizing
them
as
as
a
company
would
when
it
takes
over
a
number
of
small
businesses.
You
might
think
of
a
university
as
a
number
of
small
businesses
under
an
umbrella,
so
we're
going
to
synergize,
and
this
will
lead
to
economies
of
business
services.
So
that's
one
one
part
of
your
question.
AB
Another
part
that
was
about
the
salaries,
and
so
we
have
talked
a
lot
about
salaries
or
furloughs
and
and
ways
of
doing
things.
Those
could
still
be
on
the
table.
That
is
not
our
preferred
method.
Right
now
and
I'll
explain
specifically
why
we
are
in
a
national
and
global
market
for
faculty
and
administrators
and
the
kind
of
talent
that
we
have.
We
wyoming
doesn't
grow
enough
of
its
talent
to
become
to
run
a
university.
AB
We
have
faculty
from
all
over
the
country
from
stanford
from
harvard
from
mit
from
illinois
from
from
all
over
and
they're
in
a
global
marketplace,
so
our
salaries
are
actually
and
we've
looked
at
this
carefully
are
below
market
in
terms
of
what
the
market
is.
So
this
is
another
part
of
the
business
looking
at
the
business
view
of
this,
what
does
the
market
require,
salaries
to
be,
and
so
we're
actually
below
market
in
our
salary
structures?
If
we
were
to
go
lower,
we
would
lose
more
faculty
and
we
would
have
trouble
attracting
them.
O
Well,
mr
chairman,
I
understand
that
when
I
look
at
other
land-grant
colleges,
they're
doing
similar
things
now,
they
may
have
a
better
place
to
attract
people
where
they
might
be.
In
terms
of,
I
still
think,
laramie
is
a
great
place
to
live
and,
to
me
I
think,
you're
bringing
a
huge,
different
perspective
about
people
who
would
want
to
be
in
the
university
and
live
in
laramie,
but
I
see
them
doing
it.
I
see
them
not
being
as
concerned.
I
see
them
talking
about.
O
Excuse
me
the
business
side
of
it
so
at
least
you're
looking
at
it,
and
I
would
hope
you
would
continue
to
do
that
at
the
end
of
the
day.
Unless
you
really
talk
about
budgets
and
money,
all
the
things
you're
going
to
do,
you're
going
to
be
a
year
from
now
and
you've
made
some
cuts,
but
if
you
know
you're
not
going
to
solve
the
problem,
thank
you.
AB
P
Mr
chairman,
mr
coach,
chairman,
we'll
start
walking
through
this
budget
book
for
agency
067
page
by
page.
I
want
to
take
a
few
minutes
on
page
3
of
our
supplemental
budget
book
and
kind
of
set
a
framework
for
what
you
see
in
that
initial
table
there
for
the
divisions
that
are
coming
through
specifically
in
column
two
and
regarding
the
state
aid
figure
for
presentation
purposes.
P
P
The
the
it
does
include
an
initial
state
aid
block
grant,
which
is
the
typical
funding
of
about
350.8
million,
of
which
we'll
get
into
greater
detail
on
the
next
section
that
we
go
to,
but
that
figure
also
includes
47.5
million
dollars
of
major
maintenance
that
was
appropriated
to
the
university
typically
found
in
section
308
that
is
rolled
into
that
figure.
It
also
includes
roughly
34.8
million
dollars
of
funding
related
to
what
was
formerly
agency,
167
related
to
medical
education
and
the
family
residency
programs.
P
These
individual
units
are
all
broken
out
independently
in
the
budget
bill,
but
here,
as
they're
presented
in
this
document,
they're
rolled
into
that
one
figure,
and
so
I
just
we'll
get
into
that
greater
detail
later,
but
just
to
kind
of
set
the
stage
for
that.
You
see
in
the
column
three
the
overall
amount
that
we'll
go
through
for
our
step.
P
Two
reductions
for
agency
067
is
the
42.3
million
dollars
for
the
biennium
that
president
seidel
referenced
and
then
we'll
begin
to
address
step
the
column
four,
which
is
the
step
three
reductions
of
about
20.1
million
dollars,
of
which
the
governor
and
uniformly
is
recommending,
half
of
which
we
take
effect
in
this
fiscal
year.
The
other
half
be
fully
in
effect
for
the
next
biennium
of
the
2324..
P
If
we
can
move
on
to
page
15,
we'll
get
into
our
first
major
unit
in
division
and
state
aid,
you'll
see
on
this
table
a
bit
more
of
that
breakout
that
I
was
discussing
here.
You
see
the
base
funding
of
387.4
million
dollars
that
that
line
there
includes
the
47.5
million
dollars
of
major
maintenance.
So
if
you
were
to
remove
that
and
add
in
the
10
million
for
athletics
match
for
the
biennium
and
the
891
000
for
brucellosis,
you
get
to
that
block
grant.
P
On
page
16,
you
see
the
governor
recommends
a
reduction
of
29.5
million
dollars
to
the
base
funding
line
for
approval
of
this,
of
which
general
fund
funding,
of
which
zero
is
one-time
funding.
This
reduction
was
realized
by
the
university
in
this
biennium
through
the
president's
reduction
plan
that
was
approved
by
the
board
of
trustees
on
november
12th
and
as
the
president
seidel
mentioned.
L
Mr
chairman,
I
I'll
just
assume
I
get
the
go
ahead.
So,
mr
chairman,
my
my
question
is:
can
you
give
us
a
breakdown
at
some
point?
Send
us
a
little
one-pager
on.
You
know
your
state
aid,
and
I
know
it
goes
into
a
block
grant,
and
then
you
put
it
out
but
you've
kind
of
said
that
there's
these
categories,
where
we
use
this
money,
and
can
you
kind
of
divide
up
that
pot
of
money
and
show
me
maybe
the
top
10
or
15
of
where
the
state
aid
it's
in
a
block
grant?
L
V
Mr
mr
chairman,
go
ahead.
Thank
you,
mr
jewell.
If
you
could
too
on
that
on
these
employee
breakdowns,
could
you
give
us
a
you?
Don't
have
to
do
it
now,
if
you
don't
have
it
in
front
of
you,
but
how
many
are
filled
positions?
How
many
are
how
many
are
vacant
positions
and
we
can
go
back
and
follow
that
along
too.
P
Given
the
challenges
we
have
around
tenured
faculty
and
tenure
track
faculty
at
the
university,
the
staff
positions
of
the
35
that
were
reduced,
the
vast
majority
of
those
as
well
were
being
planned
to
being
searched,
but
we
eliminated
those
positions
and
did
not
search
those.
There
are
a
handful
of
those
that
are
currently
filled
but
will
be
eliminated
either
later
this
fiscal
year
or
by
june
1
or
july
1
of
2021
for
the
the
fiscal
year
22.
H
P
That
it
was
I'm
sorry,
mr
chairman,
I'm
sorry
go
ahead.
We
have
that
we
can
provide
that
to
you.
It
was
in
a
document
that
we
submitted
for
the
budget
reduction
plan
of
the
president
on
page
12..
If
you
have
it
in
front
of
you,
if
not
there's
a
table
that
outlines
those
tables
3
and
tables
4
page
12
of
that
document,
but
we
can
also
simplify
it.
That's
a
very
big
document.
We
can
send
a
smaller
appendix
to
all
right.
Thank
you.
L
What
is
your
strategic
plan
on
how
you're
going
to
cut
programs
and
how
you're
gonna
cut
people,
because
the
continuation
of
just
reducing
vacancies,
we
see
that
in
the
state
agencies
right
same
things
going
on?
It's
not
it
isn't
strategic
and-
and
so
I
guess,
address
my
concern
there,
but
then
something
that
anne
alexander
said
peaked.
My
interest
is
that
there's
going
to
be
a
you
know
a
public
way
to
follow
this,
and
I
would
hope
that
you
know
that
you
would
engage.
L
P
Mr
chairman,
if
I
could
representative
summers,
let
me
just
walk
through
what
those
cuts
are
very
quickly
and
then
I'll.
Let
president
seidel
or
provost
alexander
address
the
latter
half
around
the
strategy
and
the
strategic
priorities,
but
just
briefly
here
of
the
42
faculty
positions
that
are
being
cut
from
our
block
grant.
P
Four
of
them
are
in
the
college
of
ag
and
natural
resources
16
in
the
college
of
arts
and
sciences,
five
in
the
college
of
business,
three
in
the
college
of
education,
eight
in
the
college
of
engineering
and
applied
sciences,
five
in
the
college
of
health
sciences
and
the
college
of
law.
There
are
three
that
will
be
a
part
of
clinical
faculty
instructors
that
will
be
a
part
of
the
family
medical
residency
programs
that
we'll
address
later,
but
that's
where
they.
AB
And
mr
chairman,
if
I
could
just
add
to
that,
I
I
couldn't
agree
more
with
the
point
that
representative
summers
is
making
about.
The
randomness
of
the
initial
positions
that
could
become
available
is
not
strategic,
and
so
in
fact,
as
here
people
here
know,
there
was
a
plan
initial
plan
submitted
to
me
that
was
all
around
attrition
and
and
vacancies,
and
I
said
we're,
but
this
is
not
a
plan
I
can
take
to
the
board,
so
we
are
insisting
that
we
go
through
a
strategic
process.
AB
We're
going
to
do
this
as
quickly
as
possible,
we're
already
underway
with
this,
and
I
my
commitment
to
the
board
is
very
firm
that
we
will
end
up
looking
very
different
when
we're
finished
with
this,
but
it
will
be
a
plan
for
the
future
that
will
be
strategic
to
help
grow
the
economy
of
the
state
and
agriculture.
To
your
point,
I
I
reviewed
the
the
the
problems
that
the
last
round
of
budget
cuts
created
for
the
college
of
agriculture.
It's
really
been
a
devastating
hit
overall,
and
so
we
we
don't
want
that
to
happen.
AB
P
Moving
on
on
page
18,
I
want
to
just
take
a
minute
here,
there's
the
recommendation
from
the
governor
that
deals
with
major
maintenance.
I
think
the
simplest
way
I
can
present
this
with
the
couple
of
recommendations
that
are
shown
here
is
this
that,
when
the
legislature
adjourned
in
the
spring,
it
had
appropriated
about
47.5
million
dollars
of
major
maintenance
funding
from
the
general
fund
to
the
university
of
wyoming.
For
this
biennium.
P
The
governor
is
then
further
recommending
that
that
35.6
million
dollars
be
swapped
out
from
general
fund
with
to
funding
from
the
strategic
investments
and
projects
account
or
sipa
account
as
well.
So
that's
what
those
two
recommendations
you
see
on
page
18
of
this
budget
book
do
leave
the
university
with
35.6
million
of
the
47.5
originally
and
swapping
out
the
35.6
from
general
fund
to
cipa.
So
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
outline
that
as
well.
Given
that.
O
O
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Hey
dave
help
me
out
a
little
bit
going
back
to
you
know.
You
mentioned
it
and
of
course
the
president
mentioned
that,
in
terms
of
the
the
third
step
reduction,
which
is
around
the
18
million
dollar,
you
could
eliminate
the
college
of
business
and
the
college
of
education
and
not
have
enough
money
to
cover
that,
and
so
I'm
looking
at
your
budget
and
those
two
major
colleges
they're
only
funded
to
the
tune
of
18
million
dollars.
It
doesn't
make,
and
then
you
actually
said
9
million.
O
So
I'm
having
trouble
tracking
your
math.
It
seems
to
me
that
the
college
of
business
costs
a
lot
more
than
nine
million
dollars,
and
yet
you
said
that
if,
if
we
eliminated
it
and
eliminated
the
other
one,
then
we
would
barely
cover
the
step.
Three.
The
math
just
doesn't
seem
to
add
up.
You
don't
have
to
to
address
that
now,
but
if
you
could
do
that
in
some
kind
of
a
send
that
out
to
me
a
little
bit
later,
so
I
could
try
to
track
it.
I'd
appreciate
it.
B
O
F
Go
ahead
thanks
david!
I
just
want
to
make
sure
so.
Your
major
maintenance
cuts
that
that
18
million
represents
that
half
a
percent
reduction
in
major
maintenance
right.
It's
not
in
it
that
plus
an
additional.
We
go
from
2
to
1.5,
and
that's
where
the
18
percent
comes
in
the
remainder,
the
remaining
one
and
a
half
you
you
recommend
making
or
the
governor
does
making
up
with
sip
of
dollars.
P
P
P
The
governor
recommends
approval
on
this
page
you'll,
see
of
the
step
two
reduction
of
approximately
1.7
million
dollars
to
this.
For
this
biennium,
the
majority
of
this
reduction
is
achieved
by
eliminating
three
clinical
faculty
positions
in
the
residency
programs,
two
of
those
in
casper
and
one
of
those
faculty
clinical
positions
in
cheyenne.
B
David,
could
you
provide
us
with
what
those
positions
are
and
what
they
were
instructional
on
and
it
may
be
bare
minimum,
but,
and
I'm
assuming
that
this
you
did
because
those
they
were
vacant
similar
to
the
other
ones,
if
not
were
they
eliminated
and
what
what
they
were
teaching
and
what
I
really
want
to
know
is
how
that
this
impact
the
residency
program
and
so
and
so
runs
that
I'd
like
to
have
a
direct
conversation
with
us
to
see.
If
we
can
port
to
agree
with
this.
AB
Mr
chairman,
this
is
I'd
like
to
just
say
a
couple
words
about
that,
and
we
do
have
david
jones
here
who
may
be
able
to
speak
to
more
details,
but
this
does
bring
us
precariously
close
to
a
line
of
being
able
to
fulfill
the
the
needs
that
we
have
to
train
doctors
in
this
state
and
I'd
say
we're.
If
if
we
were
to
go
further,
we
might
need
to
really
rethink
the
the
whole
program.
AB
I
think
it
particularly
it
puts
the
cheyenne
activity
at
risk
to
be
honest,
and
we
have
to
be
looking
hard
about
this,
but
it's
it's
the
future
of
a
state
when
it
comes
to
not
only
doctors,
but
you
know
every
other
program
like
this
is
fulfilling
some
need
that
the
state
has
that
we're
having
to
really
look
at.
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
this
out,
but
this
is
very
important
in
terms
of
what
it
provides
in
terms
of
the
state's
healthcare.
AB
So
I
also
I
just
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you're
hearing
me,
but
I'm
trying
to
be
cautious
because
of
course,
if
we,
if
we
say
in
things
in
two
strident
terms,
of
course,
it
will
make
people
nervous
who
can
have
other
opportunities
elsewhere.
So
we're
trying
to
to
walk
the
line
here
between
telling
you
directly
like
it
is,
but
just
a
little
softer.
But
this
is
a
serious
issue
that
we're
having,
and
perhaps
I
don't
know
if
dean
jones
is
available
just
to
add
any
additional
commentary.
To
this
sure.
AA
AA
AA
AA
There
are
eight
per
class
in
casper,
so
there
are
24
so
and
I
think
a
point
needs
to
be
made
that
what
that
means
is
that
in
any
given
year
there
are
42
positions
providing
health
care
in
the
state,
at
least
in
the
in
the
trona
county,
in
laramie
county.
They
are
residents,
but
they
are
physicians,
providing
providing
health
care.
B
AA
Mr
chairman,
that's
an
excellent
point
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
focusing
on.
The
the
educational
health
center
of
wyoming,
which
is
the
governing
board
for
the
clinics,
is
looking
at
that
as
we
move
forward.
Eventually,
the
the
clinics
will
need
to
develop
their
own
infrastructure
for
human
resources
and
and
those
types
of
things,
and
but
we
are
looking
at
how
these
clinics
and
and
frankly
cheyenne
in
particular,
can
cut
costs
and
and
be
more
productive
from
a
from
a
fiscal
standpoint.
F
Mr
chairman,
go
ahead,
thank
you,
david
and
so
just
along
that
line,
and
I
being
real
careful
because
we've
done
a
lot
of
work
on
that
over
the
last
couple
years,
with
with
the
work
that
meredith
and
chairman
nicholas
done
to
segregate
and
get
all
of
that
stuff
lined
up.
But
but
I
heard
you
and
president
slidell
both
say
that
this
is.
This
is
critical
for
providing
health
care
in
the
state
of
wyoming,
and
so
my
question
is
we
have
these?
F
We
have
these
medical
students
come
here
for
residency,
how
many
of
them,
how
many
of
them
stay
in
the
state.
You
know
if
you
could
provide
us
that
information
and
say
that
and
and
because
what
I
really
served
me
correct.
That
was
one
of
the
reasons
or
one
of
the
selling
points
we
we've
heard
in
the
past.
Is
we
get
people
here
to
do
residency?
They
fall
in
love
and
stay
here
until
they
tell
their
their
planet
in
the
ground,
and
I
just
would
like
to
see
some.
You
know
some
evidence
of
that.
F
AA
Mr
chairman
representative,
larson
that
yeah,
that
is
correct,
I
mean
whammy
students,
not
all
of
our
whammy.
Students
work
their
way
into
the
family
medicine
residency
program
here
at
the
university
of
wyoming.
They
if
they
have
an
interest
in
radiology
or
something
they
will,
they
have
to
go
to
another
university
for
their
for
their
training,
so
that
would
not
stop
them
pursuing
a
residency
elsewhere.
AA
I
will
tell
you
in
terms
of
how
many
stay
after
they
go
through
the
residency
program.
You
know
we
can.
We
can
look
at
this
in
terms
of
relative
numbers
and
then
absolutes
and,
relatively
speaking,
the
the
retention
rate
overall
on
average
over
over
time
has
been
about
33
percent
of
the
residents
who
have
gone
through
the
program
have
stayed
in
the
state
in
absolute
terms.
That's
about.
We
have
currently
about
103
104,
family
medicine
positions
in
the
state
of
wyoming
who
came
through
the
residency
program.
AA
F
P
Okay,
please
proceed.
Mr
chairman,
on
continuing
on
page
21
you'll
see
the
governor
recommends
the
step
three
reduction
of
another
nine
hundred
and
eight
thousand
dollars
for
the
family
medical
residency
program.
I
won't
go
into
this
more
detail
than
we've
already
discussed
there,
but
given
the
ability
to
navigate
that
will
become
challenging
as
we
look
at
at
how
we
can
maintain
two
locations
with
this
residency
program
with
that
reduction.
P
Moving
on
to
the
next
section
begins
on
page
24..
This
is
the
whammy,
medical
education
contract
portion
of
this
budget.
Again
this
used
to
be
a
part
of
agency
167..
It's
now
here
in
this
state
aid
line,
but
this
funding
started
the
biennium
with
about
17.3
million
dollars
of
that
about
12.6
million
was
related
to
the
whammy
medical
contracts
about
4.5
million
for
widened
and
a
little
over
200
000
for
the
accelerated
nursing
program
or
brand.
P
If
you
will
I'm
going
to
walk
through
this
because
the
way
it's
presented
here
just
to
kind
of
it
gets
a
little
bit
convoluted,
but
I'll
do
my
best
here.
So
I
apologize
in
advance
on
on
this
page.
The
governor
recommends
approval
of
a
reduction
of
1.7
million
dollars
to
this
funding
line.
400
000
of
that
reduction
will
be
realized
by
the
expenses
for
the
whammy
program
being
moved
over
to
the
repayment.
P
P
The
remaining
1.1
million
dollars
of
this
reduction
will
actually
be
realized
in
the
wident
program
that
I
will
that
actually
has
its
own
unit
that
we'll
get
to
next,
but
that
widened
program,
even
though
the
reduction
is
showing
up
here
that
1.1
million
is
being
realized
by
reducing
the
number
of
widened
spots.
Those
are
spots
that
to
creighton
and
the
university
of
nebraska
to
to
align
with
the
more
along
the
lines
of
the
demand
in
the
most
recent
years
and
so
about
550,
so
thousand
dollars
a
year.
F
P
P
Mr
chairman,
representative,
larson,
that's
correct
the
same
thing
with
the
whammy
program
as
well
as
the
brand.
It
is
another
opportunity
that,
as
we
often
talk
about
the
brain
drain,
if
we
lose
our
students
on
the
undergraduate
side
that
these
graduate
programs
are
a
way
to
to
return
those
wyoming
residents
back
to
the
state.
Through
these
graduate
medical
education
programs.
F
And
follow
up,
mr
chairman,
and
you,
you
mentioned
the
brand
that
I
was
trying
to
sort
that
out
in
my
mind,
was
that
the
ability
for
nurses
to
get
their
master's
degree
to
come
back
and
get
their
master's
degree,
or
was
that,
though,
the
program
where
you
have
a
bachelor's
degree
and
can
come
back
from
your
local
community
and
get
your
nursing
degree?
Can
you
remind
me.
AA
P
You
continuing
on
page
25,
mr
chairman,
is
the
governor
further
recommends
a
step:
three
reduction
to
the
whammy,
medical
education
program,
this
one
solely
to
the
whammy
program
of
four
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
the
the
next
biennium.
This
step,
three
reduction
will
likely
most
likely
be
passed
on
directly
to
whammy
students
through
increases
in
their
contract
payments.
P
Another
option
that
the
university
is
currently
exploring
a
longer
term
option
here
would
be
to
seriously
consider
reviewing
the
uw's
participation
with
the
university
of
washington
school
of
medicine,
given
the
sustainability
of
the
program
overall
and
the
level
of
funding
needed
for
this,
and
so
again
we
will
continue
to
to
work
through
this
in
our
fy22
budget
development,
but
that
is
the
step
three
reduction
found
on
page
25..
Mr.
M
P
Save
money
there,
mr
chairman
representative,
walters,
as
the
this
is
kind
of
my
comment
before.
As
our
current
contract
states,
we
have
20
spots
a
year
that
we
are
contractually
obligated
to
pay
for
those
20
spots
a
year,
so
whether
we
send
18
students
or
we
send
16
we're
still
paying
for
20.,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
look
at.
In
addition
to
maybe
other
options
that
might
also
save
dollars
through
just
their
price
tag
as
well.
B
Ultimately,
a
program
like
this,
I
think,
would
need
recommendations
from
you
to
us,
otherwise
you're
going
to
start
slashing
programs
that
we
created
that
perhaps
we
don't
want
slashed.
So
that's
part
of
this
program
as
to
our
process
of
of
having
informing
each
other
of
what
we're
doing
so
that
we
don't
get
into
a
fistfight
over
particular
programs.
AB
AB
It's
also
an
extraordinarily
good
deal
for
the
students
in
terms
of
the
tuition
that
they
have
to
pay
in
order
to
get
a
qualified
medical
education,
and
so
I
would
just
say
that's
another
aspect
that
we're
going
to
have
to
be
looking
at
going
forward
about.
What's
the
right
level
of
tuition
in
order
to
to
still
support
our
students
to
would
become
doctors
in
the
state
which
we
need.
But
what's
the
really
the
right
level.
P
AA
P
All
right,
dude
continuing
on
mr
chairman
to
page
27.
This
continues
the
specific
unit
name
of
the
dental
contracts
or
why
dent?
If
you
will
again
a
reminder
that
we
started
the
biennium
with
an
appropriation
of
4.5
million
dollars
in
addition
to
the
1.1
million
dollar
reduction
that
I
just
previously
discussed
in
the
other
unit
related
to
wyden
the
step
two
reduction
on
page
28.
The
governor
recommends
approval
of
this
step,
three
reduction
of
four
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
as
a
biennialized
figure.
P
L
Mr
chairman,
mr
chairman,
you
know
just
in
my
opinion,
this
is
one
is
one
that
I
always
thought
should
be
considered
for
a
strategic
cut,
because
it
was
my
understanding.
We
didn't
have
a
shortage
of
dentists
really
in
the
state.
I
don't
know
if
that's
true
or
not,
but
I
think
over
the
years
while
I've
sat
on
this
committee,
we
have
talked
about
whether
this
is
as
important
as
the
whammy.
L
I
would
say,
it's
probably
not,
and
if
there
was
an
opportunity
to
look
at
this,
is
that
something
you
guys
are
going
to
kind
of
evaluate?
Obviously
we
make
the
decisions,
but
it
goes
back
to
the
good
chairman's
comments.
You
know
we
need
some
recommendations
as
well
on
whether
this
program
is
still
as
needed
as
it
once
was.
Let's
put
it
that
way,.
P
Mr
chairman,
representative,
summers,
dean
jones
can
again
add
more
color
here,
but
we
are
looking
at
that
specifically
related
to
the
witchy
program,
which
you'll
hear
the
university
present
later
today
is
another
opportunity.
Another
state
funded
program-
it's
not
as
lucrative
in
terms
of
or
generous,
if
you
will,
as
the
wide
end
program
but
still
is,
is
a
rather
generous
program
in
terms
of
offering
150
percent
of
in-state
tuition
at
another
university,
another
state
to
attend
dental
school.
So
this
isn't.
AA
Sure
sure,
mr
chairman
and
representative
summers
you're
exactly
right.
We
have
been
looking
at
this
with
regard
to
either
significantly
reducing
wide,
dense
slots
and
then
directing
students
to
to
witchy,
because
they
have
a
choice
of
about
16
dental
schools
to
choose
from
in
the
witchy
program,
so
we're
still
providing
access
to
dental
school
for
those
for
those
individuals,
and
so
we
are
looking
at
either
gradually
decreasing
the
slots.
AA
P
P
B
AB
That
please,
mr
chairman,
I'd
like
to
just
say
a
few
words
and
then
dr
kudka
will
we'll
take
it
over
I'm
a
I'm,
a
huge
fan
of
the
school
of
energy
resources
in
a
number
of
things.
It's
aimed
specifically
at
the
economy
of
the
state.
It's
interdisciplinary
it
draws
on
faculty
from
all
across
the
university
from
different
departments
and
so
on.
So
it
has
a
really
important
mission.
AB
However,
it's
set
up
at
the
moment
in
a
way
that
has
faculty
not
really
fully
associated
or
not
fully
within
the
the
school
of
energy
resources,
so
the
faculty
actually
have
tenure
lines
in
other
departments
which
that's
actually
it's
a
very
good
thing
to
have
that,
but
it.
But
the
upshot
of
it
is
that
dr
has
very
little
ability
to
address
a
budget
cut,
because
those
salary
lines
are
actually
in
other
colleges.
AB
So
the
only
tool
at
her
disposal
that
at
least
that
I'm
really
aware
of,
is
to
cut
costs
in
terms
of
research,
support
and
things
like
that,
but
she
doesn't
have
any
real
way
to
to
address
this
leaks
easily
with
salary
savings
or
vacancies
and
so
on.
So
it's
really
difficult
for
her
anyway.
Just
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
and
pass
it
on
to
dr
kudka.
AD
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
As
far
as
how
scr
is
going
to
meet
these
budget
cuts
for
fy
21
like
everyone
else,
we
were
not
able
to
be
strategic.
We
did
realize
some
actual
savings
from
things
like
travel,
not
sponsoring
conferences,
that's
not
sustainable,
but
it
did
help
us
meet.
You
know
the
urgent
need
of
reducing
our
spend.
AD
One
of
the
things
we
do
at
the
university
of
wyoming
is
look
across
the
university
look
at
all
the
disciplines
that
are
out
there
and
all
the
faculty
members
that
can
contribute
to
the
energy
sector
in
wyoming
and
we'll
try
to
identify
projects
that
could
be
really
beneficial
and
support
those,
and
we
just
had
to
reduce
the
amount
out
of
those
that
we're
doing
so.
I
can
provide
more
detail
if
you'd
like
on
any
of
those
areas,
but
that's
the
general
idea.
B
AD
B
But
what
we
really
want
to
know
is
how
this
impacts,
those
particular
projects
that
were
in
dollars
that
were
directed
in
your
direction
and
if
they
are
impacted
and
with
an
explanation
of
both
how
and
how
much
and
how
much
those
programs
will
be
impacted
by
the
cuts
that
you're
actually
making
if
they're
not
directly
indirectly,
my
guess
is
they
are,
and
this
is
another
example
of
what
we
just
talked
about.
It
may
be
that
that
the
legislature
doesn't
like
this,
but
what?
B
AB
AB
If
I
talk
to
federal
agencies,
nsf
doe
or
colleagues
at
universities,
illinois,
mit
and
so
on,
or
particularly
companies,
it
always
brings
up
something
related
to
ser
and
I've
been
very
diligent
about
filling
holly's
inbox
with
invitations
to
speak
to
people,
but
it
just
goes
to
show
how
important
that
college
is
not
only
to
the
university
but
to
the
state
and
to
the
potential
for
bringing
in
economic
development
activities.
It's
really
important.
AB
P
Moving
on
to
the
next
section
begins
on
page
35.
This
is
the
next
unit
or
division
of
the
university,
which
is
tier
one
engineering.
It
had
an
initial
appropriation
of
nine
million,
five
hundred
and
thirty
eight
thousand
dollars.
On
page
thirty,
five
you'll
see
the
governor
recommends
approval
of
the
step,
two
reduction
of
approximately
nine
hundred
and
fifty
three
000
or
a
10
reduction
for
this
biennium.
AB
And
mr
chairman,
if
this
is
all
right,
I'd
like
to
just
add
a
point
about
the
strategic
importance
of
this.
So
I
am
I've
come
from
a
place
of
excellence
in
engineering.
I've
spent
a
lot
of
my
life
around
engineering,
so
I
think
tier
one
engineer
is
extremely
important
to
the
future
of
the
university
I'm
working
very
hard
to
find,
as
we
make
cuts
to
preserve
some
funds
that
will
go
into
engineering
to
help
make
up
for
this.
B
So
how
many
grads
positions
are
there?
How
many
remain
and
do
we
can
you
share
us
what
this,
what
what
the
impact
is
of
getting
rid
of
grad
students
in
the
program,
both
here
in
ser,
in
terms
of
ongoing
research
in
terms
of
recruitment,
for
you
know,
having
top
tier
students,
show
up?
What's
the
impact.
AB
Life
graduate
students
are
the
lifeblood
of
the
university
when
it
comes
to
research
and
because
they're
they're
not
only
training
but
they're,
the
ones
who
come
up
with
the
new
ideas,
because
they
don't
know
that
things
can't
be
done
so
over
and
over
again.
You
hear
about
advances
in
research
that
start
at
the
graduate
student
level.
Of
course
the
faculty
are
their
mentors,
but
so
in
terms
of
innovation,
they're,
absolutely
critical.
AB
B
AC
AC
AC
B
AE
Mckinley,
mr
chairman,
I
I
would
like
ann
to
clarify,
I
think,
what
what
what
needs
to
or
or
president
seidel
what
needs
to
be
clarified
is
the
high
bay
operation,
which
has
approximately
29
grad
student
master
student
programs
over.
There
is
separate
than
the
the
number
that
that
ann
was
was
referring
to,
because
it's
a
separate
budget
line
item
and
and
the
clarification
please
from
from
ann
or
president
seidel.
AC
L
P
P
Mr
chairman,
if
the
the
next
unit
in
division
for
the
university
begins
on
page
38,
which
is
the
in-car
mou,
this
program
initially
began
with
a
pro
an
appropriation
of
two
million
dollars
per
biennium
you'll,
see
we're
starting
by
the
2122
biennium,
with
an
appropriation
of
1.8
million
dollars
a
result
of
previous
biennium
budget
cuts
on
page
38.
The
governor
does
recommend
approval
of
a
step,
two
reduction
of
a
hundred
and
eighty
thousand
dollars
for
this
biennium.
P
If
and
when
the
university
has
to
implement
this,
it
will
take
the
initial
same
approach
to
backfilling
this
and
honoring
that
commitment
in
that
mou
as
it
exists
today,
the
university
has
actually
already
made
the
fiscal
year
21
mou
payment
that
we
made
to
to
incar,
I
believe
in
september
or
october
of
this
fall,
but
I
do
know
that
president
seidel
is
intimately
knowledgeable
about
this
program
and
has
some
plans
for
it
moving
forward.
That
might
begin
to
address
some
of
the
funding
challenges
as
well
I'll.
Let
him
speak
further
about
that.
AB
Please,
thank
you
dave,
mr
chairman.
This
is
one
that
I
am
very
familiar
with.
I've
seen
ncar
from
many
different
points
of
view.
I
was
once
advising
the
committee
on
to
the
national
science
foundation
on
what
the
future
of
end
cars
computing
should
do,
and
our
recommendation
in
2007
was
that
cheyenne
wyoming
may
be
chosen
as
society
to
create
a
super
computing
facility
with
the
idea
that
it
would
catalyze
computing
across
the
state
with
the
university.
AB
AB
This
cut
particularly
stings
because
we
are
contractually
obligated
to
still
pay
and
car,
in
spite
of
the
fact
that
our
own
ability
to
pay
is
reduced,
and
so
what
the
only
way
we
have
to
to
address
that
in
order
to
fulfill
our
contract
is,
as
david
said,
take
money
from
indirect
cost
return
from
grants
that
we
would
normally
be
using
to
support
additional
research
initiatives
within
the
university.
So
it
it's
reduced
to
us,
but
we
still
pay
it
fully
going
out.
So
this
is
a
real
problem
for
us.
AB
So
this
is
very
early
on,
but
I'm
just
saying
it's
a
good
thing
that
we're
paying
our
bills
that
that
we've
owed,
even
though
it's
hurting
us,
it
hurts
us
a
lot
that
the
money
is
not
coming
in
for
us
to
pay
those
bills,
but
we're
trying
to
find
ways
to
address
this,
to
turn
this
into
the
asset
that
it
really
could
be
for
the
state
of
wyoming,
so
stay
tuned.
I
think
you'll
hear
more
about
this
as
we
go
further.
P
P
Two
and
a
half
million
dollars
of
matching
funds
for
programmatic
endowments
in
the
college
of
ag,
with
the
earnings
supporting
production,
agriculture,
with
an
emphasis
on
ranch
and
range
management
and
1.25
million
of
matching
funds
for
a
permanent
endowment
to
help
support
the
college
of
law's
clinical
and
experiential
learning
program.
On
page
42,
you
see
that
the
governor
does
recommend
for
approval
a
cut
of
6.25
million
for
this
biennium
of
that
funding.
P
But
in
response
to
that,
the
university
in
that
reduction,
the
board
of
trustees,
has
committed
to
using
funding
from
university
reserves
to
maintain
the
availability
of
these
matches
in
accordance
with
the
purposes
and
intents
that
are
outlined
in
footnote
number
eight
of
the
budget
bill
and
to
date
the
university
has
secured
matches
of
approximately
2.8
million
dollars
of
this
6.25
million
allowed.
So
we're
having
some
some
initial
success
in
the
first
few.
Well,
I
guess
first,
two
quarters
of
of
this
biennium
already.
P
Mr
chairman,
it
means
that
if
the
match
is
still
received
that
the
university
will
provide
the
funding
to
match
it
from
its
reserves,
it
will
go
through
our
established
process,
with
our
board
of
trustees,
who
will
review
the
the
donor
agreement
to
make
sure
that
it
is
in
accordance
with
the
footnote
number
eight.
Those
four
programs
I
outlined
earlier
and
if
it
meets
those,
then
the
university
will
provide
the
matching
funds
to
endow
these.
These
programs.
F
I'm
just
it
would
have
sure,
been
helpful,
like
the
other
agencies,
to
include
that
in
in
this,
because
I
can't
go
back
in
and
tell
you
what
these
reduction
in
in
grant
payments
and
everything
are
other
than
you
follow.
The
university
regulation
2-112
like
you've
done
on
every
other
page,
so
yeah,
you
know
we're
here.
This
is
this:
helps
us
educate
our
colleagues.
This
isn't
just
for
us
to
have
discussion
with
you,
but
we're
going
to
get
these
questions
on
the
floor.
F
AB
Mr
chairman,
may
I
also
add
a
comment
just
I
want
to
point
out
how
important
philanthropy
and
donor
intent
here
is
going
to
be
for
us,
especially
going
forward
we're
going
to
have
to
double
down
and
find
every
way
we
can
to
raise
private
funds,
and
so
that's
why
this
was.
This
is
a
difficult
one
for
us
when
potential
expectations
of
donors
around
matches
might
not
be
achieved.
L
L
My
question,
though,
is
moving
forward
you're
going
to
cover
this
biennium,
but
this
is
a
biennial
reduction
that
looks
to
me
like
not
a
one-time
cut,
so
that
means
the
next
budget
won't
have
it
and,
and
my
question
to
you
guys,
will
you
be
able
to
cover
it?
Another
biennium
is
or
is
that
or
is
this?
I
assume
that
this
is
you're
just
going
to
cover
for
this
biennium,
because
that's
too
far
out
to
make
those
sorts
of
decisions.
AB
P
By
allowing
us
to
do
the
cut
this
year,
it
preserved
the
the
ability
of
the
university
to
navigate
its
other
revenue
declines,
even
with
implementing
the
step
two
cuts
of
roughly
you
know,
42
or
21
million
dollars
a
year
right.
The
42.3
million
dollars
the
university
because
of
the
direct
impacts
of
covet
are
forecasting
a
net
loss
of
this
fiscal
year
anywhere
from
10
to
15
million.
P
I
give
you
that
range,
because
we
don't
know
it's
probably
going
to
be
closer
to
15,
because
at
the
time
it
depends
on
how
many
men's
and
women's
basketball
games
that
we
can
have
attendance
at
that.
Doesn't
look
like
promising
anymore.
It
was
going
to
be
closer
to
10
if
we
had
a
full
season
with
attendance.
It's
not
that
case.
It
was
closer
to
10.
If
we
played
a
couple
more
home
football
games
which
we
didn't
get
to
play,
it
depends
on
what,
in
spring,
enrollment
looks
like
our
spring.
P
Enrollment
continues
to
look
suppressed
even
further
than
the
fall
enrollment
right
now
we're
approximately
sitting
at
73
percent
of
students
who
are
enrolled
for
spurring
of
what
our
last
spring
census
was.
So
that's
what
we're
monitoring
for
this
coming
fiscal
year
so
looking
at
it
at
an
overall
revenue
shortfall
of
of
anywhere
from
10
to
15
million,
but
probably
closer
to
15.,
and
then
looking
at
these
step,
three
cuts,
we're
forecasting
another
further
reduction
of
about
17
and
a
half
million
dollars
for
fiscal
year.
P
22
at
this
point
in
time,
and
that
17
and
a
half
million
dollar
forecast
anticipates
a
full
return
to
our
athletic
seasons,
which
we
don't.
We
won't
likely
happen,
but
enrollment
will
continue
to
be
declining
housing
and
dining
revenues
will
continue
to
decline,
and
so
the
point
of
this
is
long-winded.
I
apologize
is
to
say:
how
can
we
manage
our
cash
flow?
How
can
we
best
kind
of
navigate
these
waters,
with
our
limited
one-time
use
of
university
reserves
and
and
that
influenced
that
decision?
P
M
Mr
chairman,
go
ahead
represent
walters.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
following
up
on
chairman
nicholas
as
well
as
representative
larson's
comment,
david
it'd
be
great.
If
you'd
share
your
notes
on
all
of
the
budget
just
so,
we
could
fill
in
those
gaps
that
are
not
contained
within
your
budget
document,
but
my
larger
question.
It
really
comes
from
a
review
of
some
of
our
other
agencies.
M
Does
the
university
pay
on
the
behalf
of
its
professors,
professional
dues
for
those
professors?
So,
for
example,
if
you're
a
professor
but
also
a
professional
engineer-
and
you
have
professional
engineer
dues
to
be
just
remain
or
a
lawyer
in
the
college
of
law,
do
they
pay
the
state
bar
or
the
the
american
bar
association
and
pick
the
college
pick
the
profession?
Does
the
university
cover
those
those
for
those
particular
faculty
members.
P
Mr
chairman,
representative
walters,
the
short
answer
to
that
is,
is
yes,
the
university
does
have
policies
in
place
to
help
manage
those
costs,
so
we
look
towards
institutional
memberships,
where
everyone
can
be
a
member
of
so
the
national
association
of
college
and
university
business
officers.
The
university
has
an
institutional
membership
too,
so
that
you
know
anybody
who's,
a
business
officer
can
be
a
financial
manager
could
be
a
member
of
that.
P
We
also
have
a
policy
in
place
that
requires
that
the
supervisors
approve
of
that
membership,
so
that
the
individual
departments
can
effectively
and
efficiently
manage
the
costs,
and
then
third,
I
will
say
I
I
don't
have
this
at
my
fingers
tips,
but
in
my
experience
of
of
approving
transactions
through
the
system,
a
lot
of
those
expenses
are
going
to
be
paid
off
of
indirect
cost,
recovery
dollars
or
foundation
accounts.
That's
not
all
of
them.
AB
Mr
chairman
may
I'll
just
start
with
that,
and
then
I
think
we
do
have
tom
berman.
I
don't
see
him
here,
but
I
know
tom
is
lurking
somewhere,
so
I
they've
been
incredibly
resourceful
in
looking
at
ways
to
address
this
as
well
as
working
very
hard
as
as
I
work
a
lot
with
the
mountain
west
college
presidents
to
think
about
ways
to
to
ensure
that
at
least
whatever
revenue
can
be
brought
in
is
brought
in,
but
but
tom
berman
has
done
a
tremendous
job
in
terms
of
reining
in
costs
tom.
AF
Me,
mr
chairman,
representative
walters,
as
president
seidel
has
mentioned,
we've
worked
very
hard
to
reduce
our
expenses
and
we've
cut
nearly
five
million
dollars
in
this
fiscal
year
of
operations
and
expenses,
and
we
are
continuing
to
look
under
every
rock
to
find
more
expenses
to
cut
early
on.
The
discussion
was
about
salaries.
One
thing:
I'm
proud
of:
we've:
we've
taken
all
employees
who
make
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
they've
taken
a
five
percent
permanent
reduction
to
their
salary.
AF
AF
We
had
almost
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
donated
by
six
of
our
head
coaches
and
highest
paid
people
immediately
at
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
to
just
keep
us
afloat.
So
we've
we've
worked
hard
and
we're
going
to
do
everything.
We
can
obviously
only
having
two
home
football
games
having
just
a
couple
men's
basketball
games,
and
now
we've
got
the
new
governor's
orders
that
are
going
to
limit
our
attendance
and
concessions,
and
that
has
a
trickle-down
effect
all
these
games
when
they
don't
get
played.
It's
not
just
ticket
revenue.
A
P
David,
mr
chairman,
the
last
bit
I
just
know
there's
a
brief
question
that
we
can
follow
up
in
writing
with
don
related
to
other
funding
that
the
university
receives
from
other
state
agencies.
We
can
tell
you
to
date
in
fiscal
year
21
the
university
has
received
about
6.6
million
dollars
of
funding
from
other
state
agencies.
These
are
typically
direct
funding
to
organizations
at
the
university
for
research
or
for
specific
programs,
and
so
we
keep
these
funds
separate
from
our
other
general
funds,
and
that's
why
we
can
report
on
them.
P
The
largest
funding
for
this
fiscal
year
have
come
from
the
wyoming
business
council,
at
2.5
million
the
wyoming
department
of
health
for
900
000,
workforce
services
at
686,
000
in
the
department
of
agriculture
for
just
a
little
shy
of
500
000.
So
as
those
agencies
continue
to
work
through
their
budgets
and
make
their
reductions
we'll
work
with
them,
but
these
will
be
just
as
any
other
external
funding.
If
those
funds
are
reduced,
it
will
be
further
reductions.
P
AB
So,
mr
chairman,
it
might
be
a
good
time
if,
if
you
would
like,
if
we
could
switch
and
discuss
the
witchy
program,
if
that
would
be
right
all
right.
Thank
you.
So
I
would
like
to
introduce
alex
keane
who
you
all
know
who
would
walk
us
through
the
ritchie
program,
and
we
also,
I
think
we
have
david
jones
available
as
well.
B
AG
AG
AG
AG
The
budget
is
comprised
of
dues
which
must
be
paid
in
order
to
fully
participate.
A
small
amount
of
funding
for
travel
to
attend,
witchy
meetings,
advertising
and
printing.
The
remaining
funds
are
student
support
fees
in
the
health
profession
fields,
the
step
two
reduction
of
ten
percent
equals
five
hundred
and
ten
thousand
five
hundred
and
sixty
two
dollars
and
can
be
seen
beginning
on
page
eight
and
the
step
three
reduction
is
two
and
a
half
percent
and
equates
to
an
additional
reduction
of
a
hundred
and
twenty
seven
thousand
six
hundred
and
forty
dollars.
AG
AG
The
actual
number
of
students
supported
in
any
field,
may
vary,
but
is
done
within
the
total
budget
appropriated
for
the
program,
so
cuts
to
the
wichi
program
reduce
the
number
of
wyoming
residents
that
can
be
supported
in
these
high
need
health
professions
and
dr
jones.
If,
if
you're
on,
you
can
provide
a
little
more
of
an
explanation
on
the
impact
of
these
reductions,.
AA
Sure,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
The
the
as
as
alex
alluded,
the
budget
for
which
he
from
year
to
year
or
the
funds
that
are
used
is,
can
be
very
fluid,
depending
on
how
many
students
apply
for
for
graduate
programs
in
those
any
of
those
medical
areas.
So,
in
terms
of
addressing
the
reduction,
we
simply
would
offer
fewer
slots
in
various
areas.
AA
Some
of
the
reduction
for
for
phase
two
is
actually
these
were
slots
that
were
not
filled.
We
simply
took
the
are,
are
using
the
funds
that
and
slots
that
were
not
being
used.
We
would
continue,
then,
for
phase
three.
We
would
simply
continue
along
those
lines
and
offer
fewer
slots
in
some
of
the
areas
that
we
could
offer.
B
AB
T
C
N
AH
AH
M
AH
Mr
chairman
page
91
that
there
is
a
summary
page
of
the
same
request
that
you
saw
last
year
well
not
last
year,
but
last
winter
for
the
corbett,
natatorium
and
war
memorial
west
stand
renovation.
You
can
see.
The
total
project
is
74.3
million
dollars.
General
fund
portion
of
that
was
37
803
0
20.,
with
the
remainder
being
private
revenue,
governor's
recommendation
on
that
one's
a
little
more
complicated.
He
split
the
project
out
recommended
a
total
of
25
million
dollars
of
sipa
funding
to
build
the
corbett
natatorium
denying
the
rest
of
the
project.
AH
AH
AH
Excuse
me,
funds
that
have
already
been
set
aside
for
components
of
that
overall
project
and
the
six
million
dollar
request.
Let
me
again,
the
six
million
dollar
request
is
for
the
remainder,
and
so
it's
it's.
The
project
is
as
envisioned
right
now
and
I
understand
it
has
not
been
approved
fully
by
the
trustees.
Yet
as
envisioned
right
now.
The
the
project
splits
up
between
areas
all
the
way
up
to
13th
street
on
the
street
and
clear
down
to
9th
street
on
low
street.
B
H
Yeah,
mr
coacher,
a
question,
and
I
don't
know
who
wants
to
answer
this
but
bill.
You
just
said
that
that
this
had
not
this
lewis
street
annex
project
had
not
been
reviewed
and
approved
by
the
trustees.
So
the
question
is:
I
have:
how
do
we
get
to
the
point
that
we
have
a
budget
presentation
before
us
with
items
in
here
that
the
trustees
haven't
reviewed
or
approved?
Yet?
Can
somebody
answer
that
question
for
me
and
I
guess
if,
if,
if
you
can,
where
do
the
trustees
fit
into
this?
H
AB
AE
Go
ahead,
john,
mr
chairman,
and
I'm
I
may
step
on
on
bill's
toes
if
but
I'll
wait
for
his
mic,
I'll
short
hit
for
him
until
his
microphone
gets
fixed,
so
what
we
have
done
on
the
lewiston
corridor.
So
I'm
going
to
explain
this
to
everybody.
Lewis.
Street
corridor
is
on
the
north
side
of
the
engine
existing
engineering
and
ag
building.
It
runs
east
west,
along
the
north
side
of
the
old
campus
of
uw,
the
new
buildings,
the
stem
building,
the
west
side
power
plant,
the
engineering
building,
the
the
new
science
building.
AE
All
those
are
between
lewis
and
bradley
north
of
lewis
street,
recognizing
that
in
the
past
we
would
redo
curb
gutter
and
streets
and
everything
on
every
project.
The
city
makes
us
do
it.
We
would
redo
those
multiple
times
as
these
construction
projects
evolved.
What
we
did
on
this
project
after
the
nz
stem
building
was
bill.
AE
Shop
on
now
bill
bill
doesn't
even
have
video
bill
shop,
set
aside
and
begin
the
process
of
a
master
plan
for
lewis
street
corridor
from
9th
street
to
13th
street
to
make
that
emergency
access,
delivery
access
and
walking
access
for
students.
It's
converting
a
a
residential
street
to
part
of
the
the
part
of
campus
we've
gone
through
the
exterior
design
advisory
committee
review.
AE
AE
AH
Can
you
mute
ed?
Thank
you,
so
what
I
was
going
to
say
and
and
trustee
mckinley
handled
it
just
fine,
but
but
the
part
that
I
was
going
to
say
had
not
been
approved
is
the
existing
funding
that
uw
has
allocated
to
the
project
so
as
envisioned
right
now,
there
are
two
pieces
that
could
be
funded
with,
with
that
four
million
dollars
that
is
identified
by
uw
trustees.
As
as
a
part
of
this
total
10
million
dollar
project,
those
pieces
would
sort
of
bookend
on
lewis
street.
AH
Again,
it's
it
has
to
do
primarily
the
reason.
Those
are
the
priorities
right
now
is
because
of
the
the
tie-in
and
related
ada
access
that
it
would
provide,
and
so
what
I
was
trying
to
say
before
my
microphone,
so
you
know,
opportunity
cut
out
was
that
those
those
portions
we
actually
have
the
design
ready
to
go
for
a
january
trustee
meeting,
and
it
does
tie
into
this
entire
overall
10
million
dollar
project
that
was
requested
here.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
just
a
couple
of
years
ago
we
were
there
for
the
egg
committee.
We
toured
the
campus
and
the
college
of
ag
and
after
those
disproportionate
cuts
were
made,
and
so
at
that
time
I
think
mr
jewell
was
there,
and
some
of
you
other
folks
good
to
see
you
again,
and
you
had
indicated
that
there
was
a
strategic
plan
with
the
order
of
construction
that
you
were
working
on
at
that
time.
Has
that
been
completed
and
could
you
provide
that
to
us?
E
I
H
H
And,
quite
frankly,
I
was
shocked
at
the
level
that
the
college
of
agriculture
has
been
decimated
by
previous
cuts.
You
can
no
longer
get
a
degree
in
soil
bachelors
in
soil
science,
bachelors
in
ag
economics
a
bachelor's
in
agronomy,
a
bachelor's
in
plant
science.
Those
programs
don't
even
exist
and
we're
going
to
take
further
cuts,
but
it
picks
up
on
something
that
you
said
earlier.
H
Mr
chairman,
about
you
know,
it
was
interesting
to
see
the
cuts
came
out
of
the
legislative
priorities
and
then
I
read
the
narrative
on
page
70,
and
it
says
these
cuts
referring
to
the
level
two
cuts
will
lead
to
accreditation
issues
in
in
engineering,
social
work,
nature
or
nursing,
pharmacy,
business
and
range
management,
two
of
which
are
or
pillar
programs
for
a
land-grant
institution
would
be
range
in
agriculture
and
engineering.
And
as
I
sit
through
this,
it
gives
me
great
degree
of
pause
to
see
where
we're
at
with
the
university.
H
Today
I
can
get
a
degree
in
french.
I
can
get
a
degree
in
german.
I
can
get
a
degree
and
and
art
history,
but
if
I'm
a
sugar
beet
producer
or
a
barley
producer
or
a
bean
producer,
if
I'm
a
federal
agency
looking
for
soil
scientists
agronomists
to
work
with
our
producers
in
wyoming,
we
don't
produce
those
with
wyoming
kids
for
wyoming
jobs,
anymore
in
the
college
of
agriculture,
and
it's
very
disconcerting.
H
So
I
see
this
giant
disconnect
mr
chairman
and
president
siddell,
and
it
it
just.
It
just
continues
to
to
bother
me
that
there
is
this
disconnection
between
the
university
of
wyoming
and
how
we
service
the
people
of
the
state
of
wyoming
and-
and
it's
just
glaring
to
me
when
I
look
at
the
degree
programs
that
you
can't
get
no
longer
a
bachelor's
degree
in
agriculture
and
all
of
those
fields
which
we
have
a
demand
for
in
the
state
of
wyoming.
H
So
I
it's
not
so
much
as
a
question.
I
just
think
we
have
some
glaring
problems
moving
forward
and,
and
certainly
in
my
mind,
it
revolves
back
around
just
what
the
heck
are
the
priorities
at
the
university
of
wyoming.
With
that
I
appreciate
the
time
and
the
effort,
I
think
we
have
some
combined
challenges.
B
S
C
AB
I'd
hate
to
prolong
the
meeting
everyone's
exhausted,
but
I
would
like
to
respond
to
senator
hicks
because-
and
I
think
it's
something
everyone
should
know.
I
came
here
because
I
thought
I
could
really
help
advance
the
university,
in
particular
in
terms
of
addressing
the
needs
of
the
state
for
economic
development.
AB
I
am
completely
committed
to
that
and
I'm
working
closely
with
the
community
colleges
and
I
think
you'll
see
that
there
are
opportunities
for
us
to
work
together
there
in
ways
we
never
have
before
to
allow
to
align
the
whole
state.
Educational
system
also
was
of
superintendent
baylo
to
make
sure
that
we
provide
the
kind
of
education
that
leads
the
state
into
the
21st
century.
AB
That's
going
to
include
more
engineering,
more
computing,
more
entrepreneurship
hubs
of
innovation,
things
like
that,
but
we'll
have
to
have
the
resources
to
do
it
and
right
now,
of
course,
with
step,
two
budget
cuts
we're
going
to
be
very
aggressive
about
addressing
the
problems
we
have
in
front
of
us
we're.
We
really
do
think
that
step
three
budget
cuts
would
be
further
devastation
to
the
university
into
the
future
of
the
state's
economy
and
and
did
double
check
the
numbers
that
it
they
are
equivalent
to
the
budgets
of
the
college
of
education
and
law.
AB
B
T
C
B
Well,
don
dean,
I
can
understand
their
their
issues,
but
if
we
were
doing
public
comment
we
wouldn't
have.
We
wouldn't
even
be
halfway
done
for
the
day,
so
we
couldn't
do
the
job
that
we're
supposed
to
we.
We
want
all
the
comments
as
possible.
I
know
that
we
didn't
leave
much
time
for
public
comment,
but
we
will
do
everything
we
can
to
open
up
public
comment
for
as
long
as
reasonably
possible
within
our
schedule.
O
Yeah,
mr
chairman,
go
ahead,
mr
coach
cameron.
I
just
support
your
statement
there
and
and
we
we
need
to
have
public
comment,
but
we've
got
a
an
agenda
and
a
critical
time
element
to
get
through
this
thing,
and
this
is
not
the
end
of
it.
Folks
and
whatever
happens
in
the
next
week
and
a
half
there's
going
to
be
plenty
of
opportunity
to
hear
from
the
people
of
wyoming,
and
this
is
just
a
first
step.
So
thanks
for
for
working
with
us
on
this
and
we'll
look
forward
to
those
comments
next
week,.