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Since
passage
of
house
enrolled
act
95,
we
have
had
seven
meetings
and
we
are
making
headway.
We
have
addressed
house
enrolled,
act,
95
in
a
phased
approach.
Our
first
phase
was
the
60-day
window
that
we
were
given
to
approve
skill
based,
amusement
games.
We
authorized
10
operators,
836
games,
306
establishments
and
three
game
manufacturers.
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During
that
time,
the
three
game
manufacturers
were
pacematic
bank
shot
and
gracie.
We
then
moved
in
after
the
the
end
of
the
60-day
period.
We
moved
into
our
phase
two
approach
to
it,
which
was
the
rules,
the
reorganization
of
the
agency
and
staffing
and
then
now
starting
july
1.
We
have
been
licensing
bingo
and
pull
tabs
across
the
state.
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With
house
enrolled
act
95
you
gave
us
the
authority
to
enforce
67
101
through
6
7
104,
which
is
our
gaming
statutes
and
we're
working
on
that
and
standing
that
up
we're
working
with
local
law
enforcement
and
we're
working
with,
obviously,
the
attorney
general's
office
on
how
that
will
be
envisioned
and
then.
Finally,
in
the
phase
two
and
we've
been
working
really
since,
since
the
governor
signed
the
bill
in
march
on
the
gaming
report,
the
gaming
report,
we
will
deliver
to
you
september
1st,
if
not
before
that
point
in
time.
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In
addition,
we
want
to
communicate
issues
that
we're
seeing
and
concerns
to
this
committee
and
to
our
other
legislators,
we
have
developed.
We
have
an
ongoing
list
that
we're
putting
together
of
suggestions
for
you
that
will
go
in
that
report
as
well
as
we
walk
this
project
forward,
we
ask
everyone
to
be
patient.
We
are
attempting
to
regulate
and
license
an
industry
that
received
little
oversight
for
many
years
in
regards
to
bingo
and
pull
tabs.
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We've
had
questions:
when
did
the
law
change?
The
law
has
not
changed,
however.
The
oversight
has
years
of
inconsistencies
with
bingo
and
pull
tabs,
and
complacency
in
the
regulatory
oversight
has
created
the
confusion
that
we're
dealing
with
now
and
we're
attempting
to
clarify
those
and
do
it
respectfully
with
all
participants.
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The
agency
will
continue
to
be
dedicated
in
provo,
fair
and
unbiased
determinations
and
will
do
the
best
job
possible
in
fulfilling
its
legislative
mandate.
We
appreciate
and
respect
all
the
participants
and
will
continue
to
do
so
as
a
responsible
state
agency,
we're
also
very
concerned
with
our
budgets
in
the
costs
and
expenses
that
we're
incurring.
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However,
the
agency
is
in
an
interesting
position
needing
to
increase
staffing
to
cover
the
duties
assigned
with
house
enrolled
act
95..
It
has
been
a
tough
push.
It's
been
very
challenging
for
the
agency
for
my
staff,
but
I
am
pleased
with
the
progress
we're
making
if
possible.
I
would
like
to
show
you
an
interactive
map.
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Now,
what
you're
looking
at
there
is,
what
we're
overseeing
with
the
wyoming
breeders
award
program,
the
wyoming
bread
program
and
those
are
all
of
the
farms
and
locations
where
we
have
wyoming
bread,
horses
raising
and
participating
in
the
wyoming
bread
program,
the
wyoming
bread
program.
Last
year
we
paid
out
in
2019
over
31.
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Now
the
next
one
I'm
going
to
have
nick's
nick
touch
on
would
be
the
gracie
games,
and
this
is
now
post
house
enrolled
act.
95.
now
in
green,
you
see
the
locations
in
the
state
where
we
have
the
gracie
games,
and
now
again
this
is
like.
I
said,
post
house
enrolled
act
95.
now.
Let's
click
on
the
bank
shot
games
nick.
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There's
a
little
bit
of
lag
here,
maybe,
but,
as
you
can
see,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
games
in
each
one
of
these
communities.
So,
let's
scroll
back
nick-
and
thank
you
very
much.
If
you
have
any
questions
on
this
mapping
on
what
we've
done
here,
everyone
it
please
feel
free
to
ask
again.
I
I
apologize.
F
We've
got
a
little
bit
of
a
lag
here.
It
should
be
refreshing
itself
fairly
quickly.
There
you
go
it's
starting
to
so,
but
why
do
I
show
you
that
I
show
you
that,
for
obvious
reasons
to
show
that
we
have
a
large
expanse
across
the
state,
we
have
95
000
square
miles,
we're
covering
and
we're
doing
it
with
seven
individuals.
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F
You
know
everything
approved
and
and
squared
up,
so
the
operators
could
continue
to
work.
Thank
you
nick.
If
there's
no
questions
on
this
map,
I'm
gonna
ask
nick
has
to
head
off
to,
and
our
other
investigator
have
to
go
to
evanston.
We
have
racing
in
evanston
this
weekend,
and
so,
if
there's
no
more
questions
I'll,
let
him
get
off
the
line.
F
Thank
you.
Nick
moving
on
to
the
live
racing,
the
commission
originally
permitted
30
days
of
live
racing
in
gillette,
evanston
and
rock
springs
with
covet
19.
We
now
had
a.
We
now
have
a
six
day
reduction
in
days
and
we
have
24
days
of
racing
commencing
july,
4th
through
september
20th
14
days
in
evanston
and
10
days
in
rock
springs.
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At
the
top,
you
have
your
bar
graph
and
basically,
what
that's
showing
you
is
from
january
19th
to
june
of
excuse
me
january
of
19
through
june
of
20,
and
you
can
see
the
wagering
activity
and
the
red
line
is
wyoming
horse
racing
llc.
The
blue
line
is
wyoming
downs,
llc
and
this
represents
their
wagering
activity
and,
of
course,
obviously
you
can
see
march
20th.
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We
had
a
drop
off
and
then
you
can
see
where
we're
recovering
at
now
we're
looking
at
about
a
70
to
75
potentially
recovery
for
each
one
of
the
operators.
They
are
doing
that
with
with
about
a
40
to
50
reduction
in
terminals,
attempting
to
to
have
social
distancing
in
the
off
track.
Wagering
locations
as
well.
The
permatease,
the
two
operators
winding
down
some
wyoming
horse
racing,
offering
mass
and
exhibiting
all
the
social
distancing
protocols
as
best
they
can
in
their
local
area
and
working
with
their
local
health
departments.
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On
that
wyoming
horse
racing
with
the
the
live
racing
this
year
was
forced
to
cancel
their
their
early
event
and
it
was
up
in
gillette
and
wyoming.
Downs
is
running
right.
Now
it's
been
a
tough
road
to
hoe,
doing
it
with
social
distancing
and
also,
you
know,
face
masks
and
things
but
they're
doing
it.
The
horsemen
have
been
incredibly
helpful
in
the
whole
situation.
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They're
just
happy
to
be
there
they're
adhering
to
you
know
the
protocols
that
the
local
county
health
department
have
put
out
in
the
variances
that
have
been
approved
and
they've
done
a
great
job,
and
it's
also
helped
that
wyoming
downs
has,
for
all
practical
purposes,
educated
the
horsemen
on
on
what
to
expect
when
they
come
to
the
next
race
meet
for
wyoming
horse
racing.
So
it's
it's
been
a
good
good
exercise
for
everyone,
but
it
has
been
a
been
a
stretch
again
with
historic
racing.
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If
you
don't
mind,
I'd
move
on
also
on
with
that
2016
to
2019
historic
racing
has
returned
to
the
cities
and
counties
over
20
million
dollars.
Significant
amount
of
money
they've
also
returned
through
the
same
period
2016
to
2019,
8.1
million
dollars
to
the
breeders
award
fund
and
again
those
are
wyoming
people
raising
horses
in
wyoming.
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The
first
quarter
of
2020
the
city
and
counting
funding
money
was
2.8
million
dollars.
Shortly
after
the
march
20th
closures
of
our
off
track
wagering
locations,
the
commission
decided
we
had
the
money.
We
typically
returned
the
city
and
county
money
to
the
local
municipalities.
Every
six
months.
We
went
ahead
and
transferred
that
money
quicker
to
assist
the
local
municipalities
and
we
went
ahead
and
since
we
had
a
closure,
there
was
no
need
to
keep
that.
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F
First
off
standing
up,
the
gaming
commission
and
standing
up
the
approvals
for
the
skill-based
amusement
games
wouldn't
have
been
as
successful
as
it
has
been
without
the
assistance
from
the
the
individuals
that
operate
they
have
come
to
the
table.
They've
been
very
helpful
in
the
process
for
us,
so
I
do
want
to
thank
them
again,
a
lot
of
hours,
a
lot
of
work
going
in
into
it
to
put
this
together
and
also
a
lot
of
cooperation
on
your
sheet
here.
F
You'll
see
the
10
operators
that
are
that
are
approved
in
the
state
brewer
amusement
entertaining
experts,
jenkins,
music,
jewel
box,
paradise,
pinball,
wind
river,
wyoming,
amusement
wyoming,
amusement
services,
s
and
c
vending
and
sunrise
distributing
as
you
look
at
the
bar
graph.
I
I
understand
the
bar
graph
is:
is
you
know
it's
interesting
to
say
the
least?
F
All
their
terminals
turned
back
on
or
also
they
were
still
closed
with
covet
19
and
some
of
the
places
are
are
even
still
closed
so,
but
currently
to
date
up
to
july
5th
of
this
year,
we,
the
total
tax
that
has
been
paid
on
the
skill-based
amusement
games,
is
478
000,
the
net
proceeds
for
that
period
and
that's
how
that
is
calculated
is
on.
Net
proceeds
is
2.3
million
and
again
that's
the
20
tax.
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F
Thank
you,
chairman
miller,
representative
yin,
thank
you
for
the
the
question
and
I
believe
what
I
heard
was.
Has
it
been
consistent?
You
know
it's.
It's
really,
as
as
I
think
you
know
it's
still
a
little
early
to
make
a
lot
of
projections
on
this.
I
think
we've
got
a
potential
of
my
my
estimation
for
2020
would
be
2.1
million
dollars
in
tax
and
it
is
a
little
early
if
we
had
more
data.
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C
Now
we're
still,
we've
only
got
nine
weeks
worth
of
data,
so
it's
hard
to
extrapolate
exactly
how
much
each
establishment
produces
at
this
time
and,
like
charlie,
said
some
of
these
establishments
aren't
even
open.
Yet,
if
you
look
at
the
brewer
amusement,
who
is
predominantly
in
the
truck
stop
most
of
their
terminals
are
in
truck
stops.
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They've
only
recently
started
producing
revenue
in
the
last
three
to
four
weeks
and
so
to
break
that
down
by
establishment,
it's
very
specific,
especially
with
the
covet
outbreak.
Some
of
these
establishments
aren't
running
at
full
speed,
yet
so
it's
really
hard
to
extrapolate
a
per
establishment,
a
revenue
basis.
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F
Thank
you,
chairman
miller,
represented
or
excuse
me
senator
and
salmy
dalton.
At
this
point
in
time,
the
legislature
house
enrolled
act
95
only
authorized
us
to
place
the
machines
in
current
establishments
that
have
machines.
So
to
answer
your
question
at
this
point
in
time,
the
answer
is
no,
they
would
not
be
able
to
until
this
either
the
new
legislation
comes
forward
and
authorizes
the
the
continuing
of
this
activity
in
21..
F
Oh
well,
in
closing,
while
this
is
a
little
confusing
for
everyone,
in
closing,
I
would
like
to
remind
everyone:
there's
a
need
for
being
responsible
with
gambling
and
the
social
consequences
that
come
with
gaming
and
gambling
in
our
state.
The
commission
feels
it's
important
that
all
permitted
individuals
participate
in
problem
gambling
initiatives
towards
that.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
I
stand
for
questions.
F
Well,
thank
you,
chairman
miller.
Excuse
me,
chairman
miller,
senator
james,
that's
a
very
good
question.
We
talked
about
it
briefly
earlier.
I
think
we're
going
to
start
during
the
next
meeting.
You
know
to
do
that,
since
we
can
do
the
video
recording
of
the
meetings,
we
can
do
that.
So
thank
you
for
that
suggestion
this
morning
follow
up.
Go.
F
C
F
Chairman
senator
james
again
a
good
question
and
thank
you
and
I'm,
and
I
really
meant
to
lead
with
the
response
to
that,
because
I
know
that's
a
concern
over
everybody
that
application
was
in
and
did
was
in
our
offices
prior
to
the
date,
the
60-day
window.
However,
we
didn't
get
it
approved
until
after
the
60-day
window,
so
the
applicant
did
everything
that
was
requested
of
them.
C
F
And
we
we
discussed
this
and
then
the
commission
made
the
determination
that,
since
all
the
paperwork
had
been
in
and
they
had
done
their
job,
the
commission
had
it
takes
time
to
go
through
these
approvals.
If
we
received
a
rep
a
an
application
on
the
last
day,
it
takes
time
to
get
through.
So
that
was
a
a
call
that
under
the
advisement
of
council,
the
commission
went
ahead
and
did
move
forward
and
approve
it.
C
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H
F
F
F
E
F
F
It
was
the
commission
that
was
trying
to
review
that
application
as
quickly
as
possible
part
of
our
process.
Just
so,
you
have
a
clear
understanding
of
the
process.
We
review
the
the
laboratory
reports
that
come
in
and
we
also
have
a
demonstration
of
the
particular
game
play,
so
we
feel
comfortable
that
the
game
operates.
The
way
the
lab
report
is,
and
so
it
takes
time
and
then
also
setting
up
meetings
and
different
things.
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K
Okay,
good
thank
you
mike
moser,
wyoming
state,
liquor
association.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity.
As
you
all
know,
I'll
just
give
a
brief
update.
This
is
obviously
the
most
difficult
time
for
bars
and
clubs.
Since
prohibition
ended
a
very
difficult
time.
The
skill
games
have
actually
acted
as
a
rescue
net
for
many
of
those
businesses.
We
expect,
oh,
probably
10,
to
15
percent
to
not
survive
this.
Unfortunately,
and
thanks
to
director
moore
and
the
prairie
and
the
gaming
commission
they've
done
an
outstanding
job
in
a
very
short
period
of
time.
K
They
thought
they
were
fine
and
it
wasn't
their
fault,
but
now
they're
shut
down,
and
so
the
discussion
is
is
whether
we
can
replace
those
machines
with
bonafide
games,
because
the
definitions
weren't
written
until
after
they
had
the
machines
so
they're
working
on
that
now
the
gaming
commission
is.
I
have
full
faith
that
they'll
come
up
with
a
good
decision
on
that.
K
K
There
were
a
number
of
bars,
restaurants
and
clubs
that
didn't
have
games
of
skill
because
they
were
concerned
about
the
statutory
authority
or
they
haven't
been
approached
by
an
operator
to
put
them
in
who
would
love
to
have
them
now?
Who
can't
and
those
businesses
like
all
of
us
are
struggling
and
so
allowing
new
machines
to
be
put
in
and
extending
these
the
eliminating
the
sunset
would
be
a
number
one
priority
for
those
businesses.
K
That's
about
all
I
have
mr
chairman,
and
I
would
be
happy
to
take
any
questions
once
again.
I
really
appreciate
the
work
of
this
committee.
We
thought
skill
games
were
kind
of
a
minor
sideline
and
now
any
rescue
attempts
to
keep
our
small
businesses
and
clubs
alive
is
a
welcome
thing
and
these
skill
games
have
turned
out
to
be
such
so.
Thank
you
and
I'll.
Take
any
questions.
H
Mr
chairman,
this
isn't
for
for
mike,
but
I
think
it's
for
the
committee.
If
we
do
have
a
special
session,
maybe
we
should
have
legislation
to
to
to
do
what
mike
was
saying
so
that
it's
it's
it's
taken
care
of
before
we
get
we
get
to
the
new
year,
and
I
think
that
that
would
be
a
nice
covid
response
to
to
allow
small
businesses
to
have
another
revenue
stream.
A
A
C
K
M
Great
thank
you,
mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee
chris
brown,
representing
bank,
shot
skill
games.
We
appreciate
the
work
of
the
committee
and
of
the
gaming
commission
tremendously,
director,
moore
and
his
staff
were
very
responsive
with
our
with
my
clients
throughout
the
licensing
process,
and
we
found
it
to
be
workable,
got
through
it,
and
all
of
our
games
were
licensed
appropriately
within
the
60-day
window
as
directed
by
statute.
M
Mr
chairman,
I
only
wanted
to
weigh
in
today
to
basically
echo
what
mr
mosher
said
in
the
sense
that,
from
our
perspective,
the
intent
of
this
legislation
was
to
establish
the
gaming
commission
get
wyoming's
arms
around
what
is
in
the
state
and
differentiate
between
games
that
do
fall
within
the
allowable
definition
of
skill-based
amusement
games
in
statute
away
from
games
that
do
not.
That
has
happened,
and
it
is
our
hope,
mr
chairman,
that
the
committee
will
take
up
representative
freeman's
suggestion
of
bringing
a
bill
sooner
than
later.
M
Everybody
on
the
committee
knows
that
I
also
wear
the
restaurant
and
lodging
hat
as
well,
and
while
I
don't
represent
them
right
now
in
this
capacity,
certainly
these
games
do
play
an
important
role
in
generating
additional
revenue
in
some
of
those
establishments
and
any
tool
that
will
assist
in
generating
additional
revenue
during
these
difficult
times
is
welcomed
and
we
will
be
happy
to
participate
in
the
process
as
it
continues
to
move
forward,
with
the
hope
that
we
will
be
able
to
continue
these
games.
Mr
chairman,
I'm
happy
to
take
questions.
M
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
jonathan
downing
and
catherine
wilkinson
on
behalf
of
pace-o-matic
and
cowboy
skill.
I
just
briefly
do
agree
with
the
comments
of
representative
freeman,
and
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
opportunity
if
the
committee
so
decides
to
move
forward.
I'll
turn
it
over
to
catherine.
Now
for
more
of
an
update
on
on
where
we
are.
I
do
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
gaming
commission
staff
for
how
quickly
they
did
move
when
this
bill
went
into
effect
to
when
they
ended
up
licensing
pasomatic
and
the
cowboy
skill
operators
in
wyoming.
L
There
are
eight
of
them
and,
in
addition
to
the
skill
games,
they
still
are
providing
the
traditional
vending
entertainment
at
the
pool
in
the
dart
leagues
of
the
coin,
off
entertainment
and
atms
we
had
of
the
836
games
licensed
611
of
those
games
are
cowby
skill
and
the
306
locations
that
were
authorized.
We
have
232
locations.
L
We
do
it
a
little
differently
because
we
run
off
of
the
fill
system,
so
they
we
would
in
essence
be
able
to
prepay
taxes,
but
as
a
bill
is
written
we're
paying
week
by
week,
we
have
not
reached
the
tipping
point
yet
that
was
required
in
house
enrolled
act
95
with
the
1
million
in
the
gaming
account,
and
then
it
will
go
out
into
the
breakouts
of
the
city's
towns
and
counties
the
school
foundation.
And
then
a
percentage
still
goes
to
the
gaming
commission
for
maintenance.
L
L
Mr
chairman,
senator
james,
yes,
I
mean
if
there
was
not
a
cap
on
it,
a
lot
of
the
the
max
payout
and
the
max
bet,
however,
were
very
carefully
determined
to
make
sure
that
there's
not
a
problem
with
gambling.
Our
skill
games
are
meant
as
a
consumer
protection.
They're
meant,
as
entertainment
in
bars,
they're
not
meant
as
an
end
destination
casino.
L
A
A
F
F
A
A
H
I
just
think
that,
whenever
you're
in
business
that
you
want
to
have
you
know
what
you
want
to
have
a
lay
of
the
territory.
You
don't
want
things
to
come
up,
that's
surprising,
and
you
want
to
kind
of
have
a
view
of
the
horizon
to
where
that
you
know
that
you
can
make
certain
decisions,
so
I
think
that
if
the
legislature
puts
together
a
bill
now
a
good
bill
now
and
and
addresses
it
in
a
special
session,
I
think
that
it
will.
It
will
help
our
small
businesses
around
the
state.
A
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
john
brody
legislative
service
office.
I
really
just
had
a
question
making
sure
that
lso
understood
the
directive
that
was
being
given
to
it.
Should
this
motion
pass
is
the
intent
to
eliminate
the
june
30th
2021
date
for
the
operation
of
skill
games,
or
is
it
to
extend
that
date
for
a
period
of
time
into
the
future
set
by
set
by
this
committee,
and
then
the
second
question
would
be?
E
H
Mr
chairman,
without
reviewing
the
bill,
I
don't
have
a
definitive
answer,
but
my
guess
is
that
we
want
to
have
other
people
that
that
would
like
to
have
the
the
games.
I
I
like
the
testimony
that
was
said
that
it's
a
game
of
skill
and
it's
for
amusement.
So
we
we
should
have
appropriate
limits
on
on
on
the
games,
and
I
think
that
we
have
to
extend
the
date,
and
I
would
also
suggest
that
there
is
a
a
look
back
date.
H
A
E
Mr
chairman,
no
I
would
just
ask,
maybe
if
lso
could
be
given
a
little
bit
of
discretion
in
kind
of
coming
up
with
the
language
for
the
bill
and
then,
if
representative
freeman
is
okay,
I
may
reach
out
to
him
online
or
excuse
me
offline,
just
to
make
sure
that
the
bill
is
going.
The
direction
that
his
motion
intended.
A
M
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman.
Yes,
not
anticipating
this
discussion,
I'm
shooting
from
the
hip
a
little
bit,
but
I
would
from
our
perspective,
mr
chairman,
I
believe
that
the
bill
clearly
defines
and
and
separates
between
legitimate
games
of
skill
and
and
not,
and
our
hope
would
be
to
eliminate
the
sunset
date
and
allow
for
new
games
to
be
able
to
put
be
put
into
new
locations,
as
senator
anselmi
dalton
alluded
to
earlier.
M
We
don't
necessarily
have
concern
with
the
cap
on
how
many
games
per
location
or
the
other
details
in
that
in
those
specifics,
but
eliminating
the
sunset
and
having
the
ability
to
put
new
legitimate
games
into
new
locations
would
be
our
preference.
If
the
committee
does
move
this
bill
forward.
Mr
chairman,
thank
you.
A
C
C
A
C
So,
mr
chairman,
with
our
system,
it's
essentially
you're
you're
paying
for
the
fills
so
that
you
can,
you
can
have
the
you,
can
essentially
have
the
play
on
the
game,
and
so
when,
when
that
play
on
the
game
has
expired,
then
the
machine
no
longer
will
operate
when
when
we
collect
the
pay
on
the
fields
for
those
games,
we
also
collect
the
tax
at
that
time
from
the
operators
and
the
challenge
that
we
didn't
foresee
with
some
of
the
language
within
the
bill.
Is
that
being
able
to
prepay
our
taxes?
C
M
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
chris
brown.
Again,
that
is
not
the
system
that
we
operate
on,
and
so
I
guess
my
shooting
from
the
hip.
Mr
chairman,
I
would
say
if
that
is
an
option
for
them
to
be
able
to
participate
that
way,
but
not
a
mandate
that
everybody
needs
to
participate.
That
way,
I
don't
see
where
we
would
have
an
issue
with
that
as
long
as
it's
defined
that
folks
pay
their
taxes
on
time.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Sorry
I
got
booted
off
and
had
problems
getting
booted
back
in
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee
mike
mosher
once
again
to
representative
freeman's
comments
and
I
got
blocked
out
a
little
bit.
So
I
haven't
heard
more
recent
comments,
but
I
thank
the
committee
for
that
consideration.
K
I
think
both
eliminating
the
sunset
and
allowing
new
games
to
be
installed
and,
of
course,
mr
moore
can
look
at
each
location,
that's
opening
up,
but
I
think
that
lifeline
would
be
vital
and
a
great
comfort
to
those
businesses
that
are
going
through
what
they're
going
through.
I
don't
know
about
the
light
how
the
language
would
be
worded,
but
mr
moore
has
done
an
excellent
job
thus
far,
and
I
would
see
him
being
just
as
prudent
and
cautious
with
any
expansion
into
new
businesses.
H
In
my
motion,
I
I
suggested
that
lso,
the
agency
and
and
the
companies
that
are
involved,
get
together
and
come
up
with
the
draft
legislation.
So
what
we're
talking
about
is
something
that
I
think
that
could
be
best
handled
with
with
the
agency
and
the
and
the
vendors
and
lso
than
us,
trying
to
figure
out
and
understand
the
problem
right
now.
So
I
like
the
idea
of
the
options
of
different
ways
that
you
can
pay
for
the
taxes.
H
H
A
L
Mr
chairman,
members
of
committee,
catherine
wilkinson
cowboy
skill,
mr
chairman.
Yes,
currently
we
did
reach
out
to
the
gaming
commission
and
they
just
did
not
see
a
way
to
do
that
with
the
way
the
current
statute
is
written
with
requiring
the
weekly
so
that
it
could
even
be
written
that
they're
given
a
little
more
discretion.
L
A
H
H
A
F
Can
you
hear
me
now
got
it?
Thank
you
chairman
miller
again.
This
is,
it
could
be
a
very
simple
fix.
I
think-
and
you
know
getting
the
taxes
ahead
of
time
makes
a
tremendous
amount
of
sense
and
and
having
it
in
place,
but
the
way
that
the
statute
is
currently
crafted
we're
unable
to
do
that.
So
that
has
been
our
interpretation
and-
and
I
it
makes
complete
sense
doing
so.
F
A
A
H
E
A
E
A
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
do
have
a
concern
this
this
commission
is
is
far
too
young
to
be
getting
rid
of
the
sunset
date
it
should.
If
this
is
going
to
go
on,
we
should
have
it
maybe
a
few
more
years
to
make
sure
we
work
out
all
the
kinks
first
before
we
even
think
about
getting
rid
of
a
sunset
date
because
yeah
it's
it's
only
a
few
months
old
and
we're
already
thinking
about
getting
rid
of
the
sunset.
No
yeah.
A
A
C
C
B
Doesn't
work,
it's
got
to
be
done
in
session,
so
it's
it's
going
to
have
to
be
a
bill
in
session.
Otherwise
what
you've
done
is
effectively
eliminate
the
games
out
there.
So
just
for
clarification.
The
committee,
if
you
wait,
till
2021
you'll
have
a
lapse
and
all
the
games
will
be
made
illegal
and
then
you're
going
to
come
back.
So
the
only
way
to
continuously
have
them
and
I'm
not
arguing
either
side
of
that
the
bill.
B
A
C
A
B
A
A
A
B
E
A
E
A
B
E
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
just
a
question
on
the
procedure.
If
we
excuse
me,
if
we
don't
have
to
have
the
majority
of
both
houses
to
advance
this
a
request
for
a
bill
draft,
why
did
we
need
a
majority
of
both
houses
to
chan,
change
or
amend
the
request?
Since
this
is
only
a
request,
I
don't
see
how
come
we
would
need
a
both
houses
for
just
a
minute.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
then
we
can
go
ahead
with
the
whole
bill
request
for
a
draft
without
such
a.
E
A
E
You
know
in
hindsight
I
think
representative
tatz
raises
a
valid
point,
since
the
bill
itself
is
just
for
discussion
purposes
is,
I
think,
there's
a
valid
there's
a
valid
argument
that
the
the
rule
for
the
majority
of
each
house
shouldn't
apply.
So
I
think
I
think
he's
correct.
Thank
you,
representative
des.
D
A
A
A
A
J
C
J
B
J
G
A
A
I
I
I
I
In
wyoming's
economy
we
lost
10
500
jobs,
the
leisure
and
hospitality,
which
is
one
of
the
leading
contributors
to
sales
and
use
tax,
and
the
state
is
down
35.2
percent
in
the
month
of
june,
and
you
know
just
it's
if
they're
causing
these
big
impacts-
and
you
can
see
from
the
following
information
that
the
lodging
performance
is
why
it's
that
we
sell
a
lot
of
people
coming
and
camping.
But
camping
has
a
tendency
to
remain
now.
Campers
are
usually
they
come
self-contained
for
the
most
part
and
people
who
are
traveling.
I
Staying
in
overnight
hotels.
You
know
they're
eating
out
more
they're,
doing
more
activities,
and
so
it
certainly
if
we
don't
have
all
of
that
volume,
it
can
make
a
big
impact
on
the
overall
visitor
economy
and
the
economic
benefits
so
occupancy,
as
you
can
see
from
comparatively-
and
we
did
not
have
the
june
numbers
when
I
sent
this
in
but
for
may
in
in
2019
in
may.
A
year
ago
the
statewide
average
was
61.
I
You
know
when
I
sent
this
over
to
murray
beth.
A
week
ago,
we
were
feeling
a
little
bit
optimistic
because
arrivals,
which
is
a
company
that
looks
at
performance,
around
bookings
and
advanced
bookings
and
forecasting,
had
trends
starting
to
peak
up
a
little
bit.
In
fact,
a
week
ago,
the
daily
travel
index
was
higher
than
right
before
covet,
which
was
a
really
strong
thing.
I
The
travel
index
is
essentially
people's
interest
and
willingness
to
travel,
but
I
just
received
some
information
yesterday
that
you
know
this
is
starting
to
constrict
again,
and
people
are
not
only
feeling
fearful
of
travel
but
they're
also,
you
know
they
feel
like.
Maybe
they
can't
go
and
have
as
good
a
time
as
they
once
did,
and
so
we're
having
to
take
a
lot
of
this
into
consideration
as
we're
adjusting
we're
now
on
two-week
sprints.
I
said
this
is
hard
for
someone
like
me
where
I'm
used
to
making
plans
and
we
have
strategic
plans.
I
I
You
know
these
are
wyoming's
wheelhouse
and,
as
I
had
said
to
you
before
the
thing
that's
really
nice
about
that
is
we
don't
have
to
reinvent
our
product.
We
don't
have
to
you,
know
repurpose,
who
we
are.
We
get
to
be
genuinely
authentic
to
wyoming
and
to
the
vacation
experience.
It's
just.
We've
had
to
modify
how
we
communicate
these
in
order
to
still
communicate
safety
and
responsibility.
I
I
also
a
month
ago
had
shared
with
you
that
we
had
to
break
up
how
we
were
doing
all
of
our
marketing
and
prior
to
we're
in
what
we're
calling
our
rebound
stage
right
now,
but,
prior
to
june,
we
were
being
really
in
a
crisis
stage.
It
was
just
about
safety
and
assurance
and
we
had
very
very
little
marketing.
It
was
going
out,
but
we
did
launch
our
rebound
campaign,
the
middle
of
june.
We
spent
1.1
million
dollars.
The
all
of
the
creative
still
has
the
messaging
of.
I
Why
responsibly,
along
with
that's,
why,
mostly
on
drive
markets-
and
you
can
see
it-
has
pace
social
paid
search,
just
a
lot
of
digital,
because
we
want
it
to
stay,
nimble
and
flexible
and
how
we
could
adjust
this.
What
outlets
are
performing
very
well?
How
do
we
want
to
maximize
the
dollars
that
are
spent
and
just
as
a
reminder
that
all
of
the
out
of
home
and
the
print
were
placed
prior
to
march,
and
so
those
are
still
you
know
for
those
particular
outlets,
those
are
still
in
place.
I
We
had
hoped
to
launch
recovery
around
the
middle
of
july
and
it
would
indicate
that
people
could
we
would,
you
know,
inspiring
them
to
actively
proactively
travel,
but
as
of
yesterday,
in
our
last
meeting,
I
think
we're
going
to
pause
this
recovery
effort
and
not
start
it
the
middle
of
july.
I
think
we'll
wait
and
postpone
it
a
little
bit
and
we're
going
to
extend
some
of
the
components
of
our
rebound
campaign.
I
We
have
four
routes:
the
salta
stone,
the
black
to
yellow
the
rockies
to
the
tetons
and
the
park
to
park
and
they're
just
really
marketing
aggregators
and
for
road
trips.
But
there
are
four
of
those,
and
so
we
covered
100
of
the
expenses
and
then
partners
could
opt
in
to
an
additional
social
activity.
I
This
was
all
happening
through
june
and
july,
but
now
we're
going
to
continue
it
through
july,
maybe
even
into
september.
The
geography
is
brought
about
a
14
to
15
hour
drive
it's
open
to
all
wyoming
industry
partners,
we're
leveraging
all
of
our
existing
assets.
So
we're
not
spending
a
lot
of
money
in
new
creative
and
the
media
of
course
remains
flexible
and
adaptable
to
insights
that
are
coming
forward
with
us
and
so
there's
general
messaging
around
the
wide
open
roads.
I
We
are
extending
some
of
the
programs
now
where
people
can
expand
their
buys,
we're
adding
more
marketing
opportunities,
including
some
in-state
marketing
for
event.
Marketing
we're
dovetailing
with
our
current
program
there'll,
be
an
opportunity
to
expand
the
brand
awareness
through
this
campaign,
but
then
really
giving
all
the
locals
a
chance
to
amplify
their
own
voices
and
utilizing
a
lot
of
ins
like
I
said,
in-state
media,
so
that
we
can
work
on
promoting
events
and
the
activities
that
are
still
happening
and
then
boosting
you
know.
I
Tourism
in
those
local
communities
is
the
entire
goal.
So,
as
I
said,
there's
a
variety
of
packages
that'll
be
out
there.
The
campaigns
are
built
around
existing
templates
so
that
we
can
leverage
all
of
the
existing
assets
and
save
money
to
our
partners
and
to
the
wyoming
office
of
tourism.
We
also
wanted
to
share
with
you.
I
Again
continuing
on
with
these
programs
just
to
elevate
what
we
can
with
local
communities
across
the
state,
then
I
wanted
to
just
update
you
quickly,
mr
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee
on
where
we
were
with
our
cares
act.
Funding
proposal
requests
when
we
were
together
in
june.
I
had
mentioned
to
you
that
we
were
requesting
140
000
to
be
a
reimbursement
for
an
in-state
campaign
that
the
office
of
tourism
had
deployed.
We
received
those
funds
that
came
campaign
wrapped
up
the
end
of
june,
and
so
we
were
able
to
that.
I
We
were
reimbursed
prior
to
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year,
and
so
the
monies
that
were
spent
out
of
our
budget
for
general
funds
were
reverted
back
as
the
coronavirus
relief
funds
supplemented
and
came
in
and
covered
that
in-state
campaign.
Then
we
wrote
another
proposal.
Spending
for
ppe
for
predominantly
masks
to
distribute
to
visitor
information
centers
across
the
state
to
be
handed
out
to
visitors
in
order
to
keep
them
safe
to
have
them
follow
the
guidelines
that
have
been
recommended
that
was
approved.
I
The
masks
arrived
this
week.
We
ordered
500
000.
Some
of
those
have
already
been
distributed
to
some
of
the
information
centers
across
the
state,
but
all
information
centers
that
are
operated
through
chambers
or
lodging
tax
boards
are
eligible
based
on
the
quantity.
We
have
100
000
masks
remaining
here
in
cheyenne
in
our
office,
which
we
want
to
get
out
and
distribute
so
there's
those
are
available.
I
Then.
The
other
thing
that
I
think
is
probably
the
most
exciting
is
on
june
24th,
the
us
department
of
treasury
issued
issued
a
new
set
of
faqs
regarding
coronavirus
relief
funds,
which
clarified
that
state
and
local
governments
could
use
these
funds
for
destination
marketing
organizations
to
remarket
their
convention
facilities
and
their
tourism
industry.
I
It's
important
to
utilize
these
funds
in
a
way
that
the
local
communities
can
do
it,
because
you,
the
local
communities,
are
boots
on
the
ground.
They
understand
the
needs
locally
and
to
some
it
may
appear
that
there
are
a
lot
of
visitors
and
maybe
there
are
in
certain
areas.
We
know
that
that's
actually
not
really
the
case.
I
Also,
any
public
health
awareness
work
that
would
be
done
that
would
be
deployed
would
be
eligible
to
be
qualified
for
the
use
of
these
funds,
and
so
we'll
be
working
closely
with
the
local
dmos
as
they're
interested
in
helping
them
understand
what
those
guidelines
are
in
specific
programs.
It
just
as
I
said,
we
just
got
the
approval
yesterday,
and
so
we
will.
I
We
have
some
communication
efforts
ready
to
go
letting
all
of
the
lodging
tax
boards
across
the
state
be
aware
that
this
program
has
been
approved
and
there
are
funds
available
for
their
immediate
use
if
they
qualify
through
the
application,
and
that,
mr
chairman,
is
just
a
really
quick
brief
update.
It
is,
as
I
said,
you
know,
we're
managing
in
two-week
sprints,
and
so
would,
if
I'm
with
you
again
at
your
next
meeting,
we
may
have
a
different
update,
but
that
is
where
we
are
with
the
tourism
economy.
I
Our
office
is
still,
you
know,
working
hard
to
make
sure
that
we
can
leverage
what
we
can
for
visitation
and
hopefully,
when
we
start
to
see
some
of
the
june
numbers
coming
in
a
little
bit
more
fully,
maybe
on
hotel
performance,
we
will
have
seen
a
better
improvement,
and
I
certainly
know
that
by
july.
I
think
that
at
the
end
of
this
month
we
should
see
some
improvement,
hopefully
across
the
state,
in
certain
areas,
with
that
I
am
here
and
would
entertain
any
questions
that
any
of
you
may
have.
A
I
C
I
Mr
chairman
and
senator
james,
the
guidelines
for
for
how
destination
marketing
organizations
can
spend
the
money
is
for
any
kind
of
tourism
recovery
efforts.
So
the
you
know
encouraging
people
to
travel
safely
to
resume
tourism
activities,
highlighting
and
promoting
the
the
things
that
are
available
within
their
areas.
That
is
all
part
of.
It
falls
under
the
guideline
section,
five
of
those
federal
guidelines,
which
is
the
it's
basically
an
economic
stimulus.
C
Good,
so
if
they're
gonna
be,
if
you
gave
five
million
dollars
for
the
local
lodging
tax
to
do
that,
then
why
are
you
holding
up
on
your
advertising
on
travel
and
stuff?
Wouldn't
you
also
want
to
be
advertising
as
well,
if
it's
okay
for
the
local
lodging
tax
boards
to
be
doing
that
as
well,
once
you
want
to
be
doing
as
much
advertising
to
encourage
as
many
people
to
come
here
as
possible,
I
mean
that
just
makes
sense
to
in
my
mind
anyway,.
I
I
At
this
time
we
will
be
evaluating
it
in
two
more
weeks
and
decide
if
we
want
to
extend,
keep
extending
rebound
or
if
we
want
to
go
into
our
recovery
by
the
time
the
lodging
tax
boards
have
this
money,
it'll,
probably
be
the
end
of
july,
but
they
can
also,
like.
I
said
it's
reimbursable
for
expenses
that
you
have
incurred
during
this
entire
time
and
for
expenditures
leading
up
through
and
to
december
30th.
A
C
A
A
B
B
B
I
think,
as
you
all
know,
when
we
did
the
four
bills
in
a
special
session,
we
left
a
hole
in
there
that
left
a
group
of
businesses
and
events
that
were
unable
to
access
covet
funds,
and
this
directly
takes
a
swing
at
trying
to
get
those
folks
where
they
can
do
it,
and
it's
some
of
the
most
important
organizations
we
have.
These
are
the
base
of
our
community
organizations
and
what
we
do
so
high
level
overview
is
exactly
what
I
just
gave
you
I'll
kind
of
work
through
the
bill
page
at
a
time.
B
Anybody
can
stop
and
ask
questions
at
any
time
or
we'll
work
through
them.
At
the
end,
the
the
first
page
is
just
boilerplate
on
it
same
way
with
the
second
page.
These
are
in
every
covet,
build
they're,
all
basically,
the
same
third
page
same
fourth
page
same
kovitz
made
it
where
these
bills
can
be
really
long.
Fifth
page
is
basically
the
the
same
bottom
page.
Five
has
a
note
on
it
on
how
it
works
with
the
rules
and
then
on
page
6
line
20.
B
B
The
event
takes
place
divided
by
rule
of
the
council,
so
we're
leaving
the
council
some
latitude
to
work
on
this,
but
there's
lots
of
events
in
wyoming,
and
I
found
out
a
lot
more
that
these
are
regional
events,
one
of
them,
I'm
looking
at
the
back
of
the
room
at
commissioner
novotny
longmire
days
and
buffalo,
is
a
major
regional
event.
I've
attended
it
myself.
B
A
B
Back
out
to
certain
areas
of
the
community
to
promote
our
community,
so
on
page
seven
we
go
to
the
subsection
c
applies
a
portion
of
the
revenue
to
the
event
to
a
charitable
purpose
or
for
a
charitable
program
and
they're
going
to
find
that.
So
what
this
does
is
it
makes
it
where
the
event
actually
has
to
have
an
impact,
and
the
money
goes
to
something
other
than
to
make
the
outfit
run
again.
B
B
What
senator
james
was
talking
to
me
earlier
about
basically
says
why
order
issued
by
state
or
local
government
that
causes
the
cancellation
so
they're
going
to
have
to
go
through
business
council
rules
and
say:
look
here's
why
we
couldn't
have
the
event
it
wasn't,
because
we
didn't
feel
like
it
in
response
to
the
pandemic
e
operated
by
a
business
organization,
that's
headquartered
in
wyoming
or
its
principal
operations
in
wyoming.
This
stops
the
big
national
nonprofits
from
coming
in
and
mining
us.
B
The
iii
required
cancellation
means
the
cancellation
of
an
eligible
event
that
was
ordered
and
necessitated
by
the
state
or
any
local
government
of
wyoming
through
the
order,
through
an
order
or
issued
in
effect
on
or
after
march
15
response
to
the
pandemic.
So
they've
got
to
have
a
legitimate
reason.
It
was
coveted
related,
your
local
health
officer,
state
health
officer,
et
cetera,
b,
wyoming
council
event.
Stipend
program
is
hereby
created,
wyoming
business
council
established
administers
the
program
to
reimburse
business
and
organization
operate
eligible
events
and
the
cost
of
required
cancellations.
B
Stipends
awarded
under
this
section
shall
little
roman
eddie
not
be
awarded
until
an
eligible
events,
business
organization
submits
and
the
council
approves
an
application
application
be
developed
by
the
council
and
she'll
require
each
applicant
to
certify.
The
business
organization
operates
an
eligible
event
defined
by
the
section,
and
if
you
knowingly
make
a
false
statement,
prohibited
may
be
required
to
repay
all
funds.
Under
the
section
little
romanette
iii
be
conditioned
upon
the
applicant
certifying
the
council.
B
Business
organization
operates
eligible
event
incurred,
actual
losses,
results
required
cancellation,
so
they
can't
just
come
in
and
make
an
estimate
of
what
they
lost.
They're
gonna
have
to
bring
the
books
from
past
years
events
or
have
them
available
to
show
what
their
expenses
were,
what
their
income
was
and
what
the
net
was
because
they're
not
going
to
allow
them
just
to
come
in
and
say
I
lost
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
turns
out
on
a
normal
year.
They
spend
90
000,
putting
it
on.
B
So
it's
a
net
deal
little
romanet
3
be
commensurate
with
the
size
of
the
cancelled
event
and
actual
incurred
loss,
including
the
financial
resource
expenditure
requiring
event
staffing
and
for
securing
event.
Services,
exhibits
and
entertainment
council
shall
rule
establish
a
stipend
award
formula
consistent
with
requirements
in
this
paragraph
and
may
include
additional
factors
as
necessary.
B
In
no
event
shall
stipend
be
issued
under
this
section
exceed
150
000,
so
they're
not
huge.
Huge
dollar
amounts
on
them
be
made
only
with
funds
provided
to
the
state
government
of
wyoming
under
the
corner.
Various
aid
relief
and
economic
cares
act
so
what
it
says,
we're
not
going
to
use
general
fund
or
other
money.
If
the
care's
money
is
not
there
or
be
found
illegal
or
not
qualifying
it
won't
happen.
B
Awarding
stipends
under
this
section
councils
will
give
preference
to
those
businesses
and
organizations
operate
eligible
events,
as
the
data
submitting
an
application
for
stipend
under
subsection
b
have
not
received
any
other
funding
from
the
ppp
established
by
the
cares
act.
So
if
they
took
money
from
the
ppp,
it's
it's
going
to
pull
them
out
of
it.
Council
should
programulate
any
rules
necessary
to
administer.
B
No
expenditure.
Funds
should
be
made
under
this
section,
except
in
accordance
with
state
and
federal
laws.
It's
kind
of
boilerplate
a.g
shall
review
in
writing
the
legality
of
the
program
n.
A
rules
established
for
the
program
authorized
by
a
section,
I'm
pregnant
wrong
amendment.
Take
that
out,
because
ag
is
dragging
all
these
through.
So
fair
warning,
council
may
conduct
a
contract
for
random
audits
of
businesses
and
organizations
operate,
elevates
stipends
under
the
section
sure
they're
right
just
says:
there's
not
a
function.
B
Reappropriated
wyoming
business
council,
50
million
dollars
from
out
of
the
cares
act
special
session
made
available
under
section
2
little
cii
if
a
coveted
relief
or
similarly
named
count
is
created
for
deposit
in
19
emergency
response
fund
appropriation
made
from
that
account,
and
we've
got
that
right
now.
I
believe
it's
that
bigger
amount.
That's
there
used
only
for
established
operation,
the
program.
This
is
boilerplate
for
the
business
council
and
then
we
go
on
to
section
three,
which
is
on
page
12.
B
and
same
thing.
We
go
through
definitions
again
on
three.
It's
got
about
the
same
thing
and
then
we
get
into
the
meat
of
it.
On
top
of
page
13
has
primary
economic
premise:
pride
entertainment
service
to
individual,
engaging
tourism,
visitor
economy,
business
qualifying
to
this
paragraph
hotels
and
motels
bed,
and
breakfast
dude,
ranches
and
other
hospitality
businesses.
B
So
this
is
probably
our
hardest
hit.
Dude
ranches
in
wyoming
are
probably
one
of
the
ones
that
are
the
biggest
that's
out
there
that
are
just
totally
shut
down.
They're
they're
devastated
across
the
board,
so
our
bed
and
breakfast
hotels
and
motels
have
had
it
and
the
other
hospitality.
Businesses
are
the
same
line.
18
required
closure
and
its
exact
same
wording
says
that
it
has
to
be
closed
down
by
one
of
the
business
one
of
the
orders
that
came
the
wyoming
tourism
and
they're
on
page
14
at
the
top
tourism
select
sector
relief
program.
B
It's
hereby
created
business
council
show,
minister,
and
this
is
the
exact
same
rules
that
we
did
on
the
one
just
above.
It
goes
through
what
the
business
council
does
and
all
the
audit
requirements
and
everything
else,
and
that
goes
all
the
way
to
the
bottom
of
page
15.,
at
which
point
there
is
a
blank
area
in
forced
inner
dollar
amounts.
B
We'll
solicit
some
testimony
and
smother
on
that,
and
I
would
guess
that
that
will
come
in
via
amendment
on
the
final
draft
of
the
bill,
we'll
go
to
the
assuming
we
get
a
bill
draft
out,
we'll
go
on
and
and
fill
that
in
so
and
now
we're
on
to
page
16.,
the
top
of
it.
It's
still
the
same
as
the
same
boiler
plate.
B
That's
talked
about
what
the
funding
does
on
page
19.,
section
4,
says
on
or
before
november
1
2020
business
councils
so
estimate
the
total
funds
expended
obligated
necessary
for
the
programs.
Any
funds
reappropriated
in
excess
amount
reappropriated
to
the
governor's
office
after
november
1st,
which
is
consistent.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
get
all
the
covens
funds
that
were
given
to
us.
We
just
do
not
send
them
to
another
state.
So
if
people
either
haven't
applied
on
this,
don't
qualify
or
there's
funds
left
it
does
it
effective
act
upon
signing
and
that's
the
bill.
B
It
fills
in
holes
and
we
talked
about
this
in
special
session
when
we
were
there
for
all
of
you.
Remember.
We
left
holes
in
that
that
bill
because
of
the
nonprofits
and
some
of
the
other.
This
comes
across
the
areas
that
were
not
covered
where
the
areas
in
this
bill
and
agriculture
were
the
the
only
areas
left.
I
know
of
in
wyoming
business
that
haven't
had
a
shot
to
apply
for
business
council
funding,
and
so
this
bill's
is
actually
a
pretty
key
piece
to
do.
B
A
further
fill
out
to
take
care
of
these
deals
and,
in
my
opinion,
this
bill's
really
critical
these
community
events-
and
we
talked
about
longmire
days
hewlett
where
I'm
from
so
it's
almost
conflict.
For
me,
I
participate
in
it.
They've
done
a
turkey
shoot
for
the
last
ten
plus
years.
That
event
provides
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
We
run
our
community
center
with
they
don't
have
the
money
this
year
and
we've
got
a
problem
with
our
community
center.
B
I
don't
know
if
they
make
money
off
the
wedding
of
the
waters
down
here
on
the
thing,
but
these
events
bring
money
into
our
communities
and
it's
what?
What
our
fabric
is,
and
so
with
that
I'll
I'll
stand
for
questions,
but
ask
for
you
to
think
about
what
it
really
does
for,
because
this
is
grassroots
as
it
gets
on
this
bill.
This
is
as
much
as
any
anything
we
do
I'll
send.
J
J
On
as
these
events
calculate
their
losses,
does
that
just
include
the
money
that
they
laid
out.
So,
for
instance,
we
have
a
wyoming
outdoorsman
banquet.
As
about
600
people
come,
it
was
scheduled
to
be
april
4th.
They
had
to
cancel
it,
of
course,
and
they
had
actual
expenses
out
the
door.
They
had
rented
the
facility
and
paid
for
that
they
had,
you
know,
paid
the
cater.
I
don't
know
how
that
all
worked.
They
had
definite
expenses
beyond
that
they
had
what
they
would
have
earned.
B
B
There
that's
going
to
be
the
base
number
that
they'll
go
to,
but
deducted
from
the
profits,
above
that,
if
it's
a
net
100
000
they're
still
going
to
come
to
that,
but
they're
going
to
have
to
show
if
they
pay
to
cater
and
they
had
a
contract
in
place.
That's
an
actual
expense!
That's
going
to
be
deducted
back
across.
If
they
didn't
do
it,
they
can't
show
it
as
an
expense
because
it
didn't
happen
same
thing
for
tickets,
the
door.
B
If
they're
used
to
selling
tickets
for
a
hundred
dollars
at
the
door,
they
can
say
here's
what
it
is,
but
the
bottom
line
is
we're
doing
what
we
did
with
business
and
also
what
the
ppp
did
was
we're
backfilling,
so
they're
left
whole
at
the
end
of
the
event.
No
one
should
benefit
from
this.
It's
in
the
program
to
say
we
actually
made
more
money
for.
B
A
A
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I'm
sorry.
I
was
trying
to
hit
the
sprint
out,
so
why
are
we
limited
to
250,
why
not
maybe
say
they're
a
smaller
event,
200
or
150?
You
know
some
of
these.
I
mean
the
purse
options
in
our
in
our
ballroom.
Sometimes
I
think
the
benefit
some
of
these
things
are
a
little
bit
smaller
and
I'm
just
asking
how
we
pick
that
number.
A
B
Mr
chairman
senator
and
somebody
dalton,
the
number
was
purely
just
pulled
out
of
a
hip
pocket
on
the
thing
it
was
to
try
to
the
example.
We
said
we're
really
not
trying
to
reimburse
for
wine
tastings.
It
just
buries
the
business
council
and
paperwork.
So
we
tried
to
hit
events
that
had
regional
and
local
significance
that
we're
of
decent
size
and
same
250
might
be
the
number
I
would
suggest.
B
If
someone's
got
different
numbers,
it
can
be
amended,
but
we
really
would
like
to
have
it
where
it's
events
that
truly
have
an
impact
not
just
kind
of
little
ones.
If
they
do
numbers
of
them,
they
could
add
them
together
and
make
them
work
by
business.
Council
they've
shown
really
good
signs
of
business
council.
B
We're
we're
not
trying
to
shut
people
out
in
any
of
these
programs.
We're
trying
to
effectively
spend
the
covet
funds
that
we're
given
to
wyoming.
That's
that's
my
point
to
all
of
you.
Is
we've
really
had
a
hard
time
grappling
with
the
public
on
why
we're
spending
money
when
the
state's
broke
and
this
this
is
money-
that's
going
to
go
to
another
state
if
it's
not
spent.
So
what
we're
really
trying
to
do
is
find
effective
ways
to
spend
it.
That's
fair
that
we
can
justify.
C
E
Mr
chairman,
john
brody
legislative
service
office,
mr
chairman
representative
yin,
there
has
not
been
any
information
on
whether
there's
been
any
claw
back
by
the
federal
government
on
any
of
the
cares
act.
Funds
kind
of
related
to
that
is
why
I
put
in
that
staff
comment
at
the
beginning
of
the
bill
and
included
the
treasury
guidance
as
part
of
the
materials
available
for
the
committee
and
for
the
general
public.
E
B
B
When
the
business
council
does
it
that
says,
should
the
government
decide
they're
going
to
claw
the
money
back
that
you
as
an
organization
are
responsible
when
you
sign
off,
you
understand
the
risk
that
this
money
could
get
caught
back
and
I'm
going
to
be
honest
with
you.
I
believe
it
should
have
been
there
on
the
business
ones
as
well.
I'm
a
business
guy.
I
did
not
apply
for
it,
but
I
know
people
that
did
it's
not
fair
for
our
general
fund
to
take
the
brunt.
B
B
B
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
two
questions.
First,
a
reaction
to
chairman
driscoll's
comments
there.
I
don't
think
without
a
hold
of
businesses
responsible
any
any
business
or
event
that
applies
they're,
responding
to
legislation
that
we're
passing.
So
if
we
pass
this
legislation
we
shouldn't
hold
the
business
responsible.
D
D
Second
question
is
make
sure
I
understand
the
bill
we're
talking
about
events
on
on
page
six,
around
line
27
about
what
events
are
eligible
and
then
on
page
13
line
four
starting
we're
talking
about
businesses
that
are
eligible.
So
I'm
assuming
this
bill
addresses
both
of
those
not
events
and
businesses
as
well,
and
without
that
I'd
be
able
to
stand
for
any
questions
I
might
have.
B
A
B
Co-Chair.
Thank
you.
Sorry.
I've
only
got
one
computer,
I'm
running
back
and
forth
to
the
bill
and
I
think
that's
up
to
the
pleasure
of
the
committee.
I
I
really
do
the
budget
situation
states
events,
businesses,
anything
I'm
in
tears
on
on
what
these
cuts
are
going
to
do
to
our
government
and
they're
tough,
and
I
don't
want
to
be
a
part
of
adding
more
to
it.
B
If
we
take
that
money
and
spend
it
because
some
of
it
we
wouldn't
have
spent
the
ppv
program
did
what
it
was
supposed
to,
we,
we
kept
30
40
people
working
for
a
month.
That
would
not
have
been
so,
I
think
that's
two-headed
sword,
but
my
my
caution
is:
if
we're
flirting
on
the
edge
back
to
the
comments-
and
it
looks
like
we
could
be-
let's
not
make
our
problem
worse.
By
having
to
take
general
funds,
I
think
we're
gonna
be
fine.
B
Put
the
disclaimer
in
I'm
looking
at
programs
in
states
around
us
they're
much
looser
than
wyoming's
right
now,
particularly
in
ag
programs.
I've
been
watching
south
dakota,
idaho,
nebraska,
utah,
they're
they're
shipping
money
out
to
ag
producers
right
now
and
they're.
Clearly,
don't
follow
rules,
so
I
think
when
it
gets
done,
it's
probably
not
a
problem
that
the
disclaimer
helps.
It
also
makes
you
more
cautious,
filling
the
application
out,
make
sure
you're
going
to
be
serious
about
what
you
apply
for.
So
that's.
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
on
page
17
line
six
section
f,
it
says
the
attorney
general
shall
review
in
writing
the
legality
of
the
program
and
any
rules
established
for
the
program
authorized
by
that
section.
I
think
it
spells
out
in
the
bill
that
the
attorney
general
is
going
to
determine
whether
this
is
illegal
or
not.
I
just
again
am
opposed
to
putting
that
burden
back
on
any
event
or
business.
It
may
apply
for.
B
B
B
G
G
G
B
B
D
Well,
that
is
going
to
evolve
into
a
real
impossible
situation.
Yes,
the
state
shouldn't,
you
know
it's
going
to
hurt.
The
state
of
the
state
has
to
be
responsible
for
it,
but
somebody
you
know
if
they're
going
to
step
up
and
say:
oh,
we
got
to
shovel
this
money
out,
quick,
so
california
doesn't
get
it
and
then
oh
by
the
way,
there
was
a
mistake
now
give
it
back,
so
we
can
get
back
to
better
government.
D
B
Great
miss
chairman
representative
or
tas
great
argument,
but
the
alternative
is
no
funding
at
all
and
that's
the
interesting
part
is
so
we
can
give
them
on
one
hand
we
say,
look
just
stay
the
way
it
is
now
and
you
just
suffer
it
out,
figure
it
out.
On
the
other
hand,
we
say
we
give
you
a
choice,
you
can
take
a
chance
and
you
may
have
to
give
it
back,
but
at
least
you've
got
a
chance
of
getting
it,
and
that's
where
I'm
at
is.
B
Should
this
build
not
pass,
there's
a
very
good
chance.
What
they
have
is
nothing.
They
don't
have
a
thing.
They're
they're
guaranteed
not
to
have
anything
and
to
just
sit
and
suffer,
and
by
signing
off
on
it,
they're
saying
I'd
rather
take
a
chance
and
have
to
pay
it
back
and
by
the
way
I
don't
want
to
be
hung
by
somebody,
but
I
think
the
odds
of
getting
caught
back
or
somewhere
between
nil
and
none.
I
think
every
state
out
there
is
going
to
violate
the
rules
wholesale
and
when
it
gets
done.
B
C
B
You've
got
to
use
old-fashioned
common
sense
on
how
it
goes,
and
I
think
we
can
look
out
and
see
that
out
of
50
states,
50
states
aren't
following
the
rules
and
for
the
feds
to
come
back
and
tell
the
county
fair
that
they
need
to
give
funds
back
or
to
tell
the
local
business
to
give
funds
back.
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
happen,
but
I
can't
guarantee
it
and,
like
I
said
the
alternative,
is
we
kill
this
bill
and
they're
guaranteed
to
have
nothing?
B
D
B
B
Everything
else
it's
a
personal
responsibility
issue,
and
it
really
is
when
you
put
that
statement
in
there,
do
you
assume
the
risk
you
know
as
a
business
or
an
organization,
it's
possible.
You
need
to
sit
down
and
back
to
that
percentage,
you're
talking
about
you.
Do
it
that's
what
we
did
when
when
we
invite
on
ppp,
you
read
through
the
paperwork
and
say
what
are
the
chances
it's
gonna
fail
and
that's
really
what
our
turkey
shoot
you'll
do
is,
I'm
sure
should
just
be
able
to
pass.
B
I'm
gonna
go
to
other
board
meetings,
say
look
folks.
You
can
either
have
a
chance
of
getting
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
find
your
community
center
for
another
year
or
you
can
have
no
money
at
all,
and
I
can
probably
tell
you
what
they're
going
to
do
is
say:
look
if
we
lose
it.
We've
got
to
do
a
bank
loan
to
operate
for
the
next
year
anyway,
if
we
get
it
and
it
works
they're
going
to
be
very
careful,
it's
what
I'm
saying
and
they're
going
to
weigh
those
risks.
So
thank.
D
Task
I
in
my
business
we
we
took
one
of
those
guaranteed
long-term
loans
at
a
real
low
interest
rate.
We
got
a
sizable
amount
of
money.
That
is
certainly
helping
us
through
the
summer,
but
it
is
one
that
has
to
be
paid
back
or
maybe
they'll
forgive
it,
but
the
document
was
that
it
was
a
long-term
loan.
D
I
think
it's
a
40-year
loan
and
at
a
low
interest
rate,
is
there
some
way
that
we
could
massage
this
bill
enough
that
the
state's
going
to
stand
behind
you
if
they
declare
it's
got
to
be
paid
back
now,
and
yet,
if
that
happens,
that
the
person
that
applies
for
that
could
slide
into
a
category
of
a
long-term
loan.
The
state
wouldn't
lose
its
money.
D
B
Mr
chairman,
absolutely
I
I'd
be
very
open
that
time
the
state
gets
a
very
minimal
return,
a
lot
of
this
money,
so
you
can
go
back
to
a
fairly
low
low
interest
rate
loan
to
let
that
happen.
If
that
was
the
case,
I've
talked
about
that
openly
on
a
different
form
of
this.
Looking
at
hospitals
and
clinics,
far
more
clearly
not
having
guidance.
B
You
know
the
state
can
bond
into
those
positions
and
do
it
and
still
make
the
money
they
make.
Now
it's
it's
not
like
we're
making
17
on
our
money
as
a
lot
of
the
state's
money
is.
You
can
probably
go
to
three
or
four
percent
loans
and
still
be
right
in
there.
So
no,
I
think
that's
a
good
idea
and
it's
I'm.
F
B
D
B
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
on
the
issue
of
attorney
generals,
can
we
amend
in
a
timeline
for
the
attorney
general?
If
that's
the
seems
to
be
the
problem?
Is
that
that
the
attorney
general
is
not
acting
in
a
timely
manner?
Can
we
put
it
in
this
bill
to
say
you
have?
The
attorney
general
has
to
have
an
opinion
by
some
date.
B
I
have
no
problem,
I'm
not
my
goal
is
to
get
this
bill
on
committee.
I'm
gonna
be
honest
with
all
of
you.
This
bill's
gonna
have
a
hard
time
if
it
doesn't
make
it
out
of
this
committee.
It's
gonna
have
a
harder
time
as
a
personal
bill.
So
I
think
it's
important.
This
committee
gets
this
bill
out
and
we
get
into
a
broader
body
of
minds
that
can
fine-tune
some
of
these
details.
We're
working
on
here
it'll
have
a
lot
more
work.
You
know
I
can
give
you
an
example.
B
You
folks
did
it
last
year
with
the
gaming
bill
and
that
bill
the
past
was
not
the
bill
that
we
did,
but
we
got
our
goals
done
and
then
that
would
be.
My
hope
is
that
you
can
find
it
in
your
hearts
to
look
at
getting
this
bill
out.
We're
gonna
have
a
lot
more
input.
We've
only
got
a
couple
in
the
back
of
the
room
and
a
couple
online.
B
A
A
I
Until
much
later,
when
you
have
overflow
events
in
an
example
like
cheyenne
frontier
days,
which
not
only
you
know,
fills
up
lodging
here
in
cheyenne
and
in
laramie
county,
but
also
in
other
areas
over
in
albany
county,
I
mean
there
will
be
a
lot
of
impacts,
and-
and
so
I
would
just
encourage
you
as
you
work
through
this-
that
this
is
a
need
and-
and
we
want
to
preserve
those
to
be
whole
going
forward.
Now.
You
know
every
opportunity
we
can
to
preserve.
I
So
I
don't
have
any
other
specifics
that
I
would
comment
on
other
than
I
think
that
supporting
events
in
a
way
that
they
deserve,
many
of
them
are
operating
as
a
business,
and
so
I
think
that's
really
important,
and
I
you
know
appreciate
the
time
and
the
effort
that
you're
taking
here
as
a
committee
to
review
this
and
see
where
and
how
you
can
be
assured
that
this
particular
sector
of
our
industry
is
also
being
assisted
through
these
federal
funds.
Thank
you
and
I
would
answer
any
questions.
C
I
A
M
I
would,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
very
much.
Chris
brown
representing
the
wyoming
lodging
and
restaurant
association
and
the
wyoming
travel
industry
coalition.
We
stand
in
support
of
the
bill.
The
events
that
you
all
are
addressing
play
a
vital
role
in
wyoming's
visitor
economy,
both
at
the
local
level
in
your
communities
and
at
the
state
level
as
well.
I
just.
C
M
M
M
M
Likewise,
it
would
be
for
private
business
and
these
entities
that
would
be
taking
risk
as
well.
I
guess
I
would
urge
against
the
disclaimer
that
private
business
would
be,
would
have
to
pay
this
back,
based
on
the
reasoning
that
it
could
cause
them
hesitation
to
apply
for
these
funds,
and
I
would
urge
caution
at
removing
the
attorney
general's
piece
vetting
through
this
program.
M
J
Hi,
my
name
is
sue
castaneda,
I'm
the
ceo
of
the
cheyenne
animal
shelter
here
in
obviously
cheyenne.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
for
this
opportunity
to
speak.
I
just
wanted
to
just
point
out
that
how
I
know
this
is
more
about
tourism,
but
how
it
affects
charities.
Our
big
fundraising
event
held
in
was
supposed
to
be
held
in
march,
the
furball
at
little
america,
and
we
had
to
cancel
it
four
days
before
the
actual
event.
J
So,
in
the
end,
little
america
ended
up
losing
probably
about
80
000
and
we
lost
the
money,
we're
still
trying
to
work
on
it.
Virtually
we're
going
to
be
one
of
the
virtual
events.
So
if
you'd,
like
a
bitter
number
call-
and
let
me
know-
but
also
so
you
know
we
in
the
meantime,
we
had
to
close
the
shelter
three
times
because
of
employees
who
were
either
exposed
or
had
coveted.
J
So
we
were
able
to
get
the
ppp
loan,
but
we'll
still
be
hosting
our
again,
a
virtual
furball,
our
virtual
dog
jog.
So
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
caterers
and
hotels
and
such
that
have
suffered
along
with
us,
so
I
just
wanted
to
throw
that
in
and
just
let
you
know
that.
Obviously
it's
affected
all
of
us
and
even
our
contracts
with
the
city
and
county
they're
not
able
to
pay
what
they
normally
do.
C
J
A
E
C
A
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
would
move
to
amend
on
page
six
line
30.
I
would
take
it
down
to
100
people.
I
just
think
there's
a
lot
of
small
events
that
you
know.
We
have
our
fur
ball
and
things
like
that,
and
you
know
I
think
it's
a
decent
sized
event
that
helps
the
humane
society
and
things
like
that.
So
I'm
asking
maybe
for
that
number
to
be
changed
to
a
hundred,
I'm
hoping
for
a
second.
J
B
I
had
to
go
back
and
find
the
bill.
We've
got
several
spots
that
we
need
to
decide
if
we're
going
to
add
dollar
amounts
in
so
on.
The
bottom
of
page
15
is
the
amount
of
the
actual
losses
that
we've
gotten
we've
got
a
blank
spot.
I
think
in
order
to
do
an
actual,
build
draft.
We're
gonna
have
to
put
some
type
of
placeholder
in
there,
so
my
motion
would
be
on
page
15
line
21,
and
this
would
be
for
the.
B
See
that's
the
one
that
has
I'm
sorry,
I'm
slow
on
it.
Dude
ranches,
hospitality,
other
business.
I
would
I'll
just
throw
it
out
and
we'll
do
it
for
discussion
I'll,
throw
out
a
one
million
dollars
on
that
one,
and
that
sounds
like
a
lot
of
money.
But
if
you're
running
a
dude
ranch-
and
I
guess
I'd-
ask
for
a
comment
from
commissioner
novotny
in
the
back.
But
what
kind
of
losses
might
some
of
these
ranches
be
looking
at
on
seasonal?
Is
that
all
right,
mr
chairman,
to
ask
him?
B
A
C
A
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
yeah,
so
my
concern
ultimately
is:
if
we
make
this
number
one
million
dollars
and
we
don't
have
a
number
for
how
much
we're
going
to
put
in
the
program,
but
let's
say
we
put
in
300
million
dollars,
for
example,
so
you
could
have
a
a
a
maximum
number,
almost
of
only
300
companies
that
that
could
help.
I
my
concern,
ends
up
being.
Are
we
helping
the
most
number
of
companies
by
putting
a
maximum
of
one
million
dollars?
That's
all.
Thank
you.
Mr
trump.
C
J
B
Mr
chairman,
I'm
open
to
a
friendly
amendment
to
lower
it
down.
That's
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
floor
debate
when
it
goes
to
session
anyway.
I
I
merely
put
it
as
a
placeholder,
and
so
I
guess
I'd
with
my
second
opinion.
I'd
move
it
to
a
half
million
dollars.
We
made
it
on
the
floor.
It
seems
that
that's
probably
where
everybody's
heading-
and
I
don't
have
a
personal
preference.
A
B
A
B
This
is
what
appropriates
the
money
on
page
17
line,
15
and
16.
says:
there's
reappropriated
the
wyoming
business
council
x
number
of
dollars
many
funds
out
of
the
special
session
laws
made
available.
So
this
is
going
to
be
the
program
amount
and
I
guess
I'm
going
to
throw
out
a
first
one
and
it's
a
hundred
million
dollars
and
I
have
no
clue.
I
have
no
expertise.
Folks,
that's
a
seat
of
the
pants
fill
in
the
blanks.
So
let
me
know
any
thoughts.
You've
got
to
change
it.
Okay,.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
mean
100
million.
I
think
it's
a
good
number.
We
might
want
to
do
more,
just
because
there's
a
lot
of
businesses
that
have
suffered
a
pretty
substantial
loss-
and
you
know
if
you're
at
500
000,
that's
only
200
businesses
if
they
hit
500
000
and
our
business
hit
a
pretty
high
number
in
those
months
and
we're
smaller
than
some
of
these
entities,
the
dude,
ranches,
etc,
etc.
So,
I
might
say,
250
million.
I
don't
know
how
much
funding
there
is
left
from
the
keras
act.
G
A
J
J
A
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
My
question
for
I
guess
mr
brodie
is:
do
we
have
to
have
the
attorney
general
review
it,
or
can
we
just
delete
this
section
entirely?
I
just
I
mean
I
think
the
legis
there's
there's
conflict.
Sometimes
it's
saying
that
if
the
legislature
takes
an
action
that
sometimes
the
supreme
court
will
say,
that's
fine
because
the
legislature
took
the
action,
and
so
I
just
wondered:
do
we
really
have
to
get
the
attorney
general
involved.
E
B
Mr
chairman,
chairman
miller,
thank
you,
yeah.
That
was
kind
of
my
thoughts
on
deji
reviews.
Every
bill
there
is
out
there
anyway.
If
governor
doesn't
like
it
ag,
is
gonna
tell
him
to
veto
the
bill
or
do
whatever.
So
I
don't
think
that
language
is
necessary
and
if
it
is
in
there,
I
agree
with
the
amendment
that
says:
look
you've
got
30
days
to
review
it.
B
If
you
haven't
done
a
review
at
that
time,
but
it
just
makes
it
tough,
because
if
they
haven't
done
it,
then
the
bill's
dead
anyway,
so
I'm
happy
either
way.
I
think
this
debate's
going
to
happen
on
the
floor
and
I'm
pretty
suspicious
ag
I'm
getting
a
few
techs
here.
I
warned
about
that
that
the
ag's
moving
quicker
than
they
have
been
so.
A
My
my
personal
opinion
on
this
particular
part
is
that
we
need
to
remove
the
ag
out
of
the
language
in
the
bill
number
one.
Another
30
days
puts
us
closer
to
the
end
of
the
year
and
we're
not
yeah.
That's
the
bottleneck,
we're
running
up
against,
so
I'm
going
to
vote
for
this,
but
if
someone
else
is
bringing
an
amendment
to
you,
just
remove
that
section
I'll
vote
for
that
too
anyway.
So
we're
we're
on
the
bill.
We
have
this
amendment
to
require
the
30
days
further
discussion.
G
A
A
B
B
So
I
would
like
to
move
on
page
nines
lines,
twelve
and
thirteen
to
move
the
hundred
strike,
150,
000
and
move
that
amount
to
three
million
dollars,
and
I
think
there's
one
or
two
events
that
possibly
could
qualify
on
that
in
the
state,
but
it
it
allows
one
of
those
big
events,
because
we
just
heard
testimony
frontier
days
is
a
70
million
dollar.
60
million
dollar
match
their
losses,
I
believe,
are
going
to
be
between
one
and
a
half
million
dollars
and
it
affects
how
their
programs
were
going
forward.
A
C
A
J
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
just
a
question
for
co-chairman
driscoll.
So
just
walk
me
through
this
as
a
for
instance.
So
if
we're
using
cfd
as
an
example
and
if
you're
looking
at
the
cares
act
requirements
one
necessary
expenditures
incurred
due
to
the
public
health
emergency
with
respect
to
the
virus
where
in
cfd
would
would
have
been
a
necessary
expenditure
due
to
the
virus.
B
Is
following
what
we've
done
in
the
other
programs
that
are
already
out
there?
The
business
counts
programs
that
are
there.
This
is
fashioned
in
this
bill
using
mirror
language
that
we
used
in
the
bills.
We
passed
the
special
session
and
the
business
council
will
determine
eligibility
on
them
via
their
rules.
We
gave
really
broad
authority.
E
E
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
am
in
favor
of
increasing
this
amount.
I
I'm
maybe
a
question
for
for
senator
driscoll
is:
are
you
going
to
also
amend
the
total
amount
in
the
program
for
this
one
as
well,
because
again,
three
million
and
with
the
total
program
amount
of
50
million
isn't
going
to
be
a
lot
of
events.
So
it's
it's
not
gonna.
It
may
not
be
available
for
a
lot
of
the
smaller
ones.
If
you
start
giving
it
all
away
to
just
the
big
ones.
A
B
Okay,
mr
chairman,
I'm
open.
I,
the
number
that
we
gave
on
it
is
one
of
the
only
one
I
had
that
I
actually
had
guidance
on
that
was
kind
of
the
numbers
that
I
was
given
by
some
people
fairly
well
known,
but
I'm
I'm
open
to
moving
that
number
up
to
either
75
or
100.
If
someone
would
like
to
do
it,
I
I'm
a
little
squishy
on
all
these
that
I
haven't
known.
We
get
to
the
floor
in
special
sessions.
It's.
B
C
A
G
A
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
would
move.
I
apologize
for
the
other
on
page
nine
line,
22
and
23
to
strike
that
and
then
on
page
ten
lines,
one
through
six
to
strike
it.
I
know
it's
saying
that
they'll
give
preference,
but
there's
lots
of
different
funding.
That's
been
out
there
for
different
ways,
not
just
payroll
protection
loan,
so
I
figured
the
business
council
could
come
up
with
their
own
rules.
They'll
know
what's
happening
by
the
time
they
get
to
it.
So
I
would
just
let
them
come
up
with
it.
G
A
J
I
have
a
tiny
screen
and
lots
going
on.
I
my
concern
is
that
there
are
more
business,
savvy
and
business
savvy
events
and
more
business
savvy
members
of
the
business
community
that
have
taken
advantage
of
each
and
every
program
that
has
come
along,
whether
it's
ppp
and
the
idle
program
federally,
whether
it's
our
programs
that
we've
put
up
and
then
there
are
other
less
savvy
groups
that
have
not
been
able
to
access
those
for
lack
of
staff
for
lack
of
information.
J
And
I
would
like
to
see
there
be
a
preference
to
those
events
and
those
businesses
that
have
not
received
other
funds,
so
not
calling
out
ppp
or
or
any
particular
fund.
But
any
federal
fund
or
state
fund
related
to
cova
that
those
businesses
that
have
not
received
any
of
that
funding
be
given
preference
to
those
businesses
that
have
received
any
of
that
funding.
J
G
G
You
know
protection
loan
grant
money,
and
so
that
is
a
concern,
but
I
just
still
feel
that
we
we
don't
know
what
all
kinds
of
funds
would
have
been
the
language,
and
I
I
think
the
business
council
has
been
fairly
quick
on
their
feet
and
I
I
I
really
think
they've
done
a
good
job,
so
I
guess
I
would
give
them
deference
to
just
striking
and
let
them
come
up
with
their
own
rules.
I
mean
they.
G
They
did
find
on
the
last
one
if
they
want
to
exclude
it
and
they
want
to
ask
what
funds
you've
gotten.
That's
what
they
kind
of
did
on
their
last
grant
application
that
I
did
it
didn't
just
have
the
payroll
protection
it
had
other
funds
that
they
received.
So
I
just
didn't
want
to
limit
this,
and
so
I
just
think
maybe
striking
and
trying
to
come
up
with
a
better
balance
would
be
the
way
to
go.
A
D
B
Mr
chairman
representative,
I
don't
think
it's
necessary,
I'm
not
going
to
bring
the
other
amendment
to
allow
the
business
to
go
in.
I
think
you
know
say
evident
looking
at
the
committee
that
that's
not
popular
anyway,
so
the
part
center
beneath
I
talked
about
the
claw
back.
It's
on
the
state
and
play
the
stands.
Someone
wants
to
bring
that
during
general,
but
I'm
not
going
to
open
that
can
of
worms
today.
B
A
A
A
D
B
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
guess
I
just
want
to
bring
up
the
point
that
bill
is
going
to
create
a
loan
program.
That
is
a
larger,
obviously
policy
decision
and
would
likely
require
a
general
fund
appropriation
in
order
to
back
up
the
loans
that
would
be
provided
to
the
businesses
which
isn't
part
of
the
current
amendment.
So
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
to
the
committee's.