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A
So
this
second
interim
committee
of
the
select
select
committee
on
school
facilities
will
come
to
order.
A
A
I
I
understand
that
the
seats
that
you're
sitting
in
may
be
getting
maybe
a
little
bit
tough.
I've
heard
that
the
room
across
the
way
has
padded
seats
and
maybe
next
time,
we'll
be
meeting
in
there,
but
I
thank
you
for
attending
first
thing
before
we
begin,
let's,
let's
start
with
a
roll
call,
please.
C
A
I
see
his
backpack
here,
but
I'm
not
sure
he's
here.
So
let's
excuse
him
for
now.
A
B
Representative,
jennings
representative
walters,
chairman
senator
pop,
oh
sorry,
vice
chairman
representative
brown,.
A
A
Okay,
well,
thank
you
appears,
we
have
a
quorum
and
we
can
do
business
today.
First
thing,
I'd
like
to
do
is
introduce
have
the
we
have
some
commissioners
with
us
today
and
I
would
like
to
have
everyone
acknowledge
that
they
are
here
and
I
would
ask
them
to
get
up
and
introduce
themselves
and
where
they're
from
hollywood.
You
begin.
B
B
B
B
B
Mike
gilmore
from
casper
in
the
toronto
county
and
that
encompasses
also
fremont.
I
B
A
Well,
thank
you.
We
we
appreciate
the
work
that
the
commission
does.
Would
you
pass?
Would
you
pass
the
microphone
over
to
dell?
Please.
We
also
have
a
former
director
of
the
construction
department
and
I
help
please
introduce
yourself.
B
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
dale
mccomey,
currently
working
as
a
consultant
for
fea
and
good
to
be
back
and
and
see
the
committee.
A
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
you
all
being
here.
As
I
said,
you
know,
the
commission
is
very
important
part
of
this
entire
process
and
we
thank
you
for
all
you.
The
hard
work
that
you
do
to
assist
in
the.
A
Facility
development
of
our
schools
in
this
state,
so
with
that,
let's
move
on
to
our
agenda
items.
I
Good
morning
mr
chair
and
the
and
the
committee
gerry
vincent
director
school
construction
department,
we
will
have
the
three
of
us
going
over
items
today.
I
We
will
have
sure
chairwoman
dab
coming
up
and
speaking,
and
we
also
will
have
finance
and
operations
administrator,
laura
anderson
speaking,
but
today's
topics
largely
rest
in
the
work
of
the
sfd,
so
valerie
and
john
will
be
covering
most
of
the
items
today
and
then,
of
course,
all
of
us
are
available
for
questions
so
starting
off
with
the
first
item
on
the
review
of
the
square
footage
for
facilities.
I'd
like
to
turn
over
to
administrator
hughes,
please
thank
you.
G
Chairman
pappas
and
committee
members,
enclosed
in
the
packet,
is
a
write-up
that
addresses
a
question
that
you
had
recently
regarding
the
pre,
the
the
educational
buildings,
pre
and
post
2001,
the
gross
square
footage,
the
allowable
square
footage
and
the
difference
between
the
two
of
them
enclosed
in
your
packet,
is
also
a
table
which
lines
out
school
by
school.
G
G
If
you
look
through
that
list,
I
want
to
highlight
in
note
that
there
is
23
million
856
089
educational
gross
square
feet,
and
that
is
net
of
enhancements
of
enhancement
square
footage,
and
then
there
is
a
total
of
sixteen
million
four
hundred
twenty
one
thousand
one
hundred
and
sixty
two
educational
allowable
square
feet
and
this
allowable
square
feet
may
may
shift
year
over
year
and
it's
just
because
it's
determined
by
adm
or
average
daily
membership
that
shifts
from
year
to
year.
G
G
So
if
we
were
to
apply
the
hundred
and
fifteen
percent
to
that
number,
it
would
roughly
be
eighteen
million
eight
hundred
eighty
four
thousand
three
hundred
and
thirty
six
square
feet
and
that
would
leave
a
difference
between
actual
and
allowable
of
four
million
nine
hundred
seventy
one
thousand
seven
hundred
and
fifty
three
I'd
also
like
to
note
that
there
are
only
three
districts
across
the
48
that
are
paid
on
their
actual
gross
square
footage
versus
their
allowable
square
footage
and
those
three
districts
are
bighorn
county
school
district.
G
I'm
sorry,
four
bighorn
county
school
district
number,
one
niagara
county
school
district
number,
one
sheridan
county
school
district,
number,
three
and
westin
county
school
district
number:
seven,
all
other
districts
across
the
state
are
paid
on
allowable
square
footage,
and
I'd
also
like
to
note,
though,
that
allowable
is
not
the
only
or
actual
and
allowable
or
not
the
only
thing
in
that
calculation
there
is
there.
There
is
in
the
calculation
office
warehouse
spaces,
also
go
into
that
major
maintenance
calculation.
G
So
this
is
just
looking
at
the
educational
spaces
alone
and
and
roughly
we
did
a
preliminary
calculation
to
and
came
to
a
total
of.
If,
if
the
state
were
to
start
to
pay
on
actual
square
footage
for
all
districts
rather
than
allowable
square
footage,
where
that's
happening
at
44
of
them,
it
would
equate
to
roughly
about
17
million
dollars
more
annually.
That
would
need
to
be
paid
in
major
maintenance
as
of
today
and
that's
if
no
other
factors
changed
so
at
this
time
I'll
go
ahead
and
stand
for
any
questions.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
appreciate
the
detailed
feedback
here
as
we
look
at
the
the
lists
of
square
footage.
One
of
the
questions
I
have
as
we
as
we
contemplate
this.
The
purpose
of
the
allowable
square
footage
does
makes
some
sense
from
the
standpoint
of
you:
don't
want
to
have
large
unused
buildings
sit
vacant,
and
then
we
provide
major
maintenance
funding
for
them.
At
the
same
time,
we
understand
that
that
if
you
are
using
the
building-
and
we
want
to
keep
that
building
up-
that
they
need
major
maintenance.
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D
G
Senator
rothfuss,
I
believe
we
would
need
to
actually
come
back
with
the
excess
square
footage
to
go
ahead
and
line
up
against
this
data.
To
answer
the
question
effectively
and
we.
D
Mr
chairman,
follow
up,
I
think
the
key,
and
this
helps
us
to
move
in
this
direction
and
to
inform
it
is
to
be
sensible
about
not
just
swinging
the
pendulum
too
far,
the
other
direction,
which
is
what
the
tendency
I
think
of
the
legislature
is
right.
You
know,
we've
we've
aired
on
one
side,
let's
go
here
on
the
other
side.
D
If,
if
we
can
figure
out
what
we
really
should
be
funding-
and
maybe
it
isn't
that
full
17-ish
million
dollars
that's
recommended
here-
maybe
10
of
those
million
make
a
lot
of
sense
and
the
other
seven.
Don't
I
don't
know
I'm
speculating
here.
D
I
think
it
would
be
really
useful
for
us
to
find
a
method
that
acknowledges
that
we're
not
funding
everything
that
should
be
funded
from
a
major
maintenance
standpoint
to
ensure
the
integrity
of
the
fleet
of
schools
across
the
state
and
maybe
part
of
that
calculation
would
be
to
identify
and
point
to
facilities
that
seem
wasteful.
That
seem
like
they're
in
our
inventory,
statewide
and
maybe
they're
not
worth
maintaining,
maybe
there's
alternatives,
but
we
should
be
exploring
kind
of
the
most
cost.
D
Effective
remedy
solution,
two
buildings
that
do
fit
into
that
category,
which
I'm
not
aware
of
how
many
fit
into
that
category.
Mr
chairman,
so
I
think
that's
a
great
next
step,
as
we
continue
to
contemplate
this.
If
we
don't
have
insight
into
it
now
is
to
fully
understand
what
we
should
and
shouldn't
be
funding.
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A
A
A
A
To
check
whatever
I,
I
believe
that
in
in
light
of
that,
you
know,
we've
all
at
least
on
this
committee.
Most
of
us
have
thought
about
that
number
having
to
change,
and
so
maybe
is.
This
is
just
a
baby
step.
K
Mr
chairman,
I
believe
last
time
we
looked
at,
it
was
on
a
2.5
replacement
factor
and,
I
believe,
was
around
30
million
dollars,
but
that
was
the
entire
grow
square
footage.
It
wasn't.
Just
the
educational
square
footage
was
applied
to
both
the
warehouse
and
office
space
as
well.
Is
that
annual?
Mr
chairman,
correct
yeah.
A
Okay,
thank
you
still,
a
substantial
number
committee,
any
other
senator
landon.
L
Mr
chairman,
thank
you,
mrs.
Can
you
remind
me
of
the
four
districts
to
the
difference
in
gross
square
footage
versus
allowable
paragraph
two
of
the
letter
that
you
sent
to
us.
I
couldn't
wrap
my
head
around
it
for
some
reason.
I
know
there's
good
reason
going
on
there,
but
can
you
remind
me
of
why
we
treat
those
four
districts
differently?
L
G
Chairman
pappas,
senator
landon,
so
as
it
stands
right
now,
statute
calls
for
in
the
calculation
to
for
these
four
districts
they
and
for
all
districts.
Actually,
the
comparison
occurs
and
that
it's
the
lesser
of
allowable
square
footage
times
115
versus
the
gross
square
footage,
and
so,
in
this
case,
for
those
four
districts,
their
gross
square
footage
is
actually
less
than
their
allowable
square
footage
times.
115
you're
welcome.
A
Many
any
other
thoughts.
I
Second
item
mr
chair
is
referring
to
natrona
county
district
and
park
and
we'll
break
this
up
into
two
parts.
I
will
cover
the
the
school
for
the
deaf
and
that
square
footage.
The
question
was
brought
back
in
our
last
meeting.
You
know
what
does
that
lease
look
like?
How
does
that
work?
Tell
us
some
more
about
it
and
then
the
second
part
are
there
any
more
of
these
around
the
state,
and
so
we'll
have
valerie
talk
about
that.
So
what
I've
included
is
a
variety
of
documents.
There's
many
more.
I
I
Back
in
the
day,
we've
included
some
of
that
in
there
and
then
on
natrona
2.
This
got
folded
over
in
the
netrona
one.
We
do
have
the
superintendent
of
the
district
here
too
in
case
of
any
questions
for
them,
and
so
basically,
if
you
look
at
the
diagrams
there's
you
see
the
original
lease
back
in
the
day
in
1969
an
updated
one
was
referenced
and
sent
over
in
2004
to
to
natrona
one.
We
still
don't
have
it
in
a
lease.
I
I
If
you
fold
in
the
complications
of
the
different
track
maps,
the
different
separations
of
the
who
owns
what,
with
the
with
the
city
and
the
county
and
the
district
and
wde-
and
you
see
that
we
literally
have
a
hallway
that
down
the
middle
part
of
that-
and
a
lot
of
you
were
part
of
that
tour
last
year,
we
have
a
situation
where
part
of
the
hallway
is
belongs
to
the
district
and
then
part
to
this
other
facility.
Here.
So
you
know,
do
we
have
any
others
like
this
in
the
state?
I
Absolutely
not
not
of
this
nature,
but
we
do
have
on
page.
What
would
be
23
would
be
the
color
diagram
that
parts
points
to
the
ownership
of
each
of
the
three
major
parcels
who
they
are.
One
is
city
of
casper,
one
is
state
of
wyoming,
which
would
be
the
wde,
and
then
one
is
actually
natrona
and
then.
I
And
if
you
actually
looked
up
on
geo
site
who
owns
the
building
it,
it
gets
even
more
interesting.
It
says
that
it's
game
and
fish,
because
there
was
a
time
when
game
and
fish
had
someone
in
the
building
a
couple
employees,
along
with
a
couple
wde
employees,
wd
employees
left
at
that
time.
Someone
did
some
sort
of
check
and
said
who's
in
there,
and
it
was
game
and
fish
they
since
have
their
own
facility
since
that
time
and
they're,
not
in
here
anymore.
So
this
is.
I
This
is
an
anomaly
in
terms
of
ev
every
bit
of
it
every
aspect
of
it
and
yet
there's
a
huge
sign
out
front
marquee
that
says
the
department
of
education
school
for
the
deaf.
So
that's
kind
of
the
background
how
this
came
together.
I
know
that
we
discussed
in
the
last
meeting,
or
you
discussed
among
yourselves
what
would
be
the
best
way
to
straighten
this
out
and
whether
it's
a
bill,
I
think
senator
roth,
was
brought
up,
but
we
we
stand
to.
I
L
Mr
chairman,
with
a
little
bit
of
latitude,
I
I
don't
really
have
a
question,
but
I
do
want
to
just
back
up
and
and
say
a
few
things
about
this
facility.
Those
of
us
I'm
looking
down
senator
rob
those
of
us
who
have
been
around
school
facilities
for
a
while
have
been
aware
of
this
situation
for
a
long
time
and
we
have
purposefully
set
it
aside.
L
It's
it's
like
the
the
old
house
where
you
say:
don't
go
in
that
closet
and
you
can
see
why
director
vincent
did
a
great
job
of
explaining
what
we've
got
there
and
so
it
it
seems
to
me,
like
we
always
had
priority
that
that
we
felt
like
deserve
to
be
shoved
in
front
of
that
facility.
L
We
had
a
lot
of
work
to
do
out
across
the
state.
We
have
in
many
ways
caught
up
pretty
darn
well,
and
so
it
seems
to
me,
mr
chairman,
this
this.
This
might
be
the
year
that
we
need
to
consider
drafting
something
and
I'll
leave
that
up
to
you,
but
I'm
anxious
to
to
get
a
thought
from
the
from
the
department
as
to
what
they
think
the
proper
fix.
L
D
D
I
don't
think
it
would
be
contentious
in
any
way,
but
effectively
transfer
ownership
from
wde,
which
is
who
it
sounds
like,
is
currently
the
owner
and
then
effectively
integrate
ownership
of
it
into
the
school,
so
that
it's
reflected
as
being
a
part
of
the
school
is
probably
the
cleanest
way
to
do
that.
So
we
don't
have
an
organizational
difference
in
the
two
and
I
I'd
float
that
as
a
concept
and
see
what
the
rest
of
the
committee
and
the
department
thinks
about
doing
it.
A
Okay,
that
that's
good
I'd
like
to
hear
from
the
district
on
that
as
well.
Senator
landon
did
you
have
a
thought.
L
Well,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
as
as
the
superintendent
makes
his
way
up,
I
think
I
agree
with
senator
rothfuss.
I
do
think
that
we
might
be
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
it's
going
to
take
some
resources
to
you
know
you
take
on
that
facility
and
I
think
they've
been
able
to
put
patches
on
the
inner
tube.
But
frankly
I
we've
walked
through
that
facility
and
it
needs
a
lot
of
help.
L
So
I
I
don't
I'm
not
sure
where
that
lands,
but
it
may
have
to
be
included
in
that
bill,
but
not
only
do
we
transfer
this
ownership,
but
we
recognize
that
there's
certain
things
going
on
there.
So
thank
you.
A
Response
on
that,
yes
senator
office,
transferring.
D
A
Thank
you.
Well,
let's,
let's
hear
from
the
district
so
and
by
the
way,
thank
you
so
much
for
the
the
tours
that
you
provided
this
committee.
The
last
time
we
were
up
there
in
june
and
it
was
it
was,
I
think,
an
eye-opener
for
a
lot
of
folks.
Thank
you.
Please.
B
Chair
papa's
committee,
thank
you
for
having
me
here
and
we
really
enjoyed
having
you
to
do
the
tour
around
nachona
county
for
those
three
sites.
So
when
you
look
at
pineview
elementary
school.
A
For
for
the
record
superintendent
general,
who
would
you
please.
B
Michael
jennings,
superintendent
of
detroit
school
district
left
that
part
off.
Thank
you
again.
Thank
you
for
coming
to
trona.
When
you
look
at
pineview
elementary
school,
it's
a
it's.
An
older
building,
natrona
has
been
incredibly
blessed
by
the
work
that
the
state
has
done
on
school
facilities
and
we
have
some
remarkable
facilities.
B
Pineview
is
one
of
the
schools.
If
you
recall,
was
at
100
design.
Those
designs
are
sitting
on
the
shelf
and
that
building
did
not
proceed
with
that.
We
have
had
conversations
with
the
prior
director
and
director
of
incident
regarding
the
wyoming
school
for
the
deaf
we
do
use
the
building.
We
use
specifically
a
cafeteria
and
a
few
other
rooms
on
this
would
be
the
south
side
of
it.
The
configuration
of
the
building
is
quite
interesting.
B
It's
not
necessarily
conducive
to
have
full
classes
in
it
and
there's
quite
a
bit
of
work
that
needs
to
be
done
on
the
building
as
it
exists.
So
we
did
a
renovation
with
one
of
our
other
schools,
which
would
have
been
park
elementary
school,
and
we
were
seriously
looking
at
doing
at
pine
view
as
well.
B
Don't
know
if
we're
going
to
be
able
to
go
down
that
road
with
enrollment
and
all
of
those
things,
but
the
facility
as
far
as
the
school
for
the
deaf
is,
is
just
a
very
difficult
space
and
there
would
be
additional
dollars
needed
to
get
it
to
where
it
could
be
utilized
as
a
school
versus
the
way
it
sits
now,
and
we
have
had
to
use
major
maintenance
dollars
to
remedy
it.
B
So
one
of
the
one
of
the
issues
when
we
talked
with
our
board
several
years
ago
about
do
we
want
to
take
the
building.
That
was
not
a
strong
interest,
because
the
amount
of
dollars
that
would
have
to
be
put
in
it
to
get
it
up
to
standards,
so
senator
landon,
you
bring
up
a
good
point,
is
it
would
take
significant
dollars
right
out
of
the
gate
to
get
it
to
where
we
needed
to
get
it.
A
Thank
you,
representative,
walters.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
jennings,
for
being
here
today,
really
my.
I
guess
I
follow
senator
rothfuss's
line
of
thinking
of
let's
get
this
transferred
from
wde
to
the
school
district,
because
if
we
want
to
build
a
new
school
on
the
site,
we
can't
tear
down
that
portion
of
the
school.
That's
wde,
because
the
district
doesn't
own
that.
So
we
would
tear
down
70
of
the
building
to
rebuild
on
the
site,
but
still
have
this
other
chunk
sitting
there
that
we
couldn't
do
anything
with.
C
So
in
my
mind,
it's
a
baby
steps
process
and
the
first
thing
we
have
to
do
is
we
have
to
get
ownership
collective
to
one
entity,
whether
that
be
wde
or
the
school
district.
We
need
to
get
it
collected
to
one
entity.
Then
we
can
start
to
proceed
with
renovations
demolition
reconstruction,
any
of
that.
But
while
it's
currently
owned
by
two
different
entities,
I
see
a
struggle,
and
so
my
question
is:
do
you
agree
that
there
is
a
struggle
in
that
in
this
baby
step
process?
B
Chairman
papas
senator
representative
walters,
I
totally
agree
with
that.
That
would
be
the
first
step
in
getting
it
cleaned
up
as
far
as
ownership,
because
we
have
been
working
on
that
for
the
last.
I
want
to
say
four
years,
five
years
at
least
as
long
as
I've
been
around
that'd
be
a
step
in
getting
it
started
and
getting
down
that
road.
Yes,
it
would
be.
B
D
Yes,
can
you
remind
us
what
was,
I
know,
there's
designs
on
the
shelf.
What
were
those
designs
again
and
we
went
over
this
while
we
were
visiting,
but
what
were
the
plans
that
are
that
are
already
on
the
shelf.
D
I
D
I
B
H
I
Correct
mr
chair
and
center
cost.
The
first
step
is
just
what
senator
rothfuss
and
representative
walters
are
saying.
That
is
the
next
step
that
needs
to
be
addressed
with
the
city.
I
think
we
all
are
knowingly
spending
major
maintenance
money
when
something
does
happen
on
that
facility
in
a
way,
that's
not
in
our
statute
right
now.
So
if
we
can
clean
that
up
and
have
one
owner
of
this,
the
type
of
you
look
at
the
you
look
at
page
34.
I
I
wanted
to
include
that
it's
a
very
bizarre
design
and
the
octagonal
type
shape
library
and
those
of
you
have
toured
all
those
classrooms
are
ramped
up.
You
know,
and
so
you
couldn't
generate
enough
major
maintenance
money
off
this
square
feet
to
fix
that
facility,
whether
and
it
really
wouldn't
be
wde
it'd-
be
transferred
to
our
state
inventory.
So
it'd
be
a
I
and
whether
you
gave
the
major
maintenance
money
to
the
district
or
to
ani.
It's
not
going
to
adequately
take
care
of
that
facility.
I
A
Well,
thank
you.
We
do
have
wde
here,
I'd
like
to
hear
from
them.
I
think
shelley,
miss
hamill.
Are
you
able
to
give
us
any
thoughts
from
w
wd
perspective?
F
Yeah
committee,
mr
chairman
and
committee
member
shelley
hamill
with
the
wyoming
department
of
education.
I
think
that
it's
fair
to
say
that
we
have
followed
the
progression
of
trying
to
understand
who's
actually
responsible
for
the
building
and
who
owns
it
and
and
such,
and
we
would.
We
would
support
a
resolution
to
to
finalize
that
and
to
have
that
rest
where
it
should
and.
F
That's
certainly
your
prerogative,
mr
chairman,
and
we
would,
I
would
say
yes,
we
would.
We
certainly
don't
have
any
funds
to
maintain
that
building
and
it's
kind
of
a
an
odd
situation
right
now.
A
Okay,
well,
thank
you.
Yeah
shelley
appreciate
that
do
we
have
anyone
here
from
the
city
of
casper
by
any
chance-
probably
not
they're,
the
third
third
yeah
third
wheel
in
here
so.
I
Jerry
just
like
to
add
that,
with
the
transfer
of
the
ownership,
I
don't
think
we
would
change
the
way
that
the
library
is
functioning
right
now
for
the
school
for
the
deaf
and
there
still
are
two.
I
believe
employees
of
wde
employees
that
we
met
that
day
that
work
in
that
building.
But
you
know
this
is
strictly
in
order
to
be
able
to
do
any
kind
of
maintenance
on
this
building
is
why
we're
doing
this
we're
not
trying
to
fix
everything.
I
L
Thank
you
just
just
for
clarification,
director,
vincent
any
hurdles
in
the
way
I
just
want
to
be
careful
as
to
how
we
request
this
bill
be
drafted,
and
I'm
looking
at
you-
and
mr
rex
is
both.
You
mentioned
the
game
and
fish
has
been
involved
there.
L
I
I
L
D
Your
office,
I'm
not
entirely
sure,
and
I
think
this
would
be
something
we
have
to
look
into.
If
we're
doing
an
internal
government
to
government
transfer,
I'm
not
sure
that
we
need
an
appraisal.
I
think
we
can
just
make
a
declaration
of
ownership
shift
as
long
as
it
is
staying
effectively
it's
from
state
books
to
state
books.
A
Yeah,
I
might,
I
think
I
tend
to
agree
with
you
any
other
comments
of
senator
landon.
Mr.
L
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
don't
know
if
we
have
a
formal
bill
on
the
proposal
motion
yet,
but
I
think
we
should
add
to
it
that
the
the
department
also
negotiate
with
the
city
of
casper
to
clean
up
the
small
portion
of
that
auditorium.
That
is
on
city
of
casper
property
and
say,
and
I
would
think
the
city
of
casper
would
be
happy
to
give
that
to
the
district.
C
C
But
I
think
part
of
this
negotiation
needs
to
be
basically
get
it
all
to
one
ownership
away
from
the
wd
away
from
the
city
of
casper,
and
I
don't
think
that
includes
all
the
grassy
area
and
all
the
stuff
that
the
city
of
casper
owns
it's
just
the
small
square
footage
that
is
actually
building
and
maybe
at
a
10
or
15
20
foot
area
around
the
edge
of
that
building
that
from
the
city
of
casper.
So
I
think
that
all
needs
included
on
that
point.
C
D
Office,
you
know
while
we're
contemplating
it,
though,
would
we
would
we
want
if
we're
thinking
about
the
future,
the
long-term
future
of
that
particular
parcel.
It
almost
seems
like
we
want
to
purchase
the
anything
the
city
owns
as
as
part
of
the
ownership.
We
have
internal
funds
for
that,
so
we
probably
we
don't
necessarily
need
it
in
the
legislation,
but
it
would
be
a
consideration.
D
Do
we
want
that
in
the
legislation,
a
specific
possibility
of
appropriation
for
it
or
just
leave
that
up
to
the
discussion?
I
certainly
agree
with
you
representative
walters,
though,
that
we
need
to.
We
definitely
need
this
spot
under
the
footprint
right.
I
I
Up,
if
they're,
to
consider,
if
there's
any
kind
of
real
property
or
or
land
type
appraisal
need
to
be
done,
because
we're
not
straight
state
to
state
on
this
there's
a
piece
of
the
city
involved
as
you
brought
up
and
then,
if
you
looked
at
the
layout
of
the
new
pineview
school
back
in
the
day,
it's
on
the
other
side
of
the
campus
and
this
all
was
integral
to
bringing
playfield
back
for
everyone.
I
Now
you
know
in
my
past,
cities
and
districts
have
joint
use
ventures
on
fields
and
all
that,
so
maybe
you
don't
have
to
dial
it
in
on
a
deed
and
on
a
sailor.
What
have
you
but
just
wanted
you
to
know
that
the
city
brings
in
a
third
component
to
it.
So
it's
not
just
us
to
us.
So
that's
why
I
mentioned
that.
C
I
think
representative
in
the
bill,
mr
chairman,
I
think
in
the
bill
it's
just
simply
clean
it
up
from
wde
and
the
small
portion,
the
city
owns
of
the
bil,
that
land
that
the
building
sits
on
and
that's
keep
it
clean.
Keep
it
simple,
get
that
trued
up,
then,
if
we
want
to
have
another
legislation
or
in
the
school
facilities
planning
bill
or
any
other
place,
to
acquire
more
of
the
property
from
the
city
of
casper.
C
A
Before
we
decide
what
we're
gonna
do,
I
I
know
we
don't.
We
were
gonna,
wait
for
public
comment
at
the
end
of
all
these
reports.
All
these
updates
I,
but
I
on
this
particular
subject,
I'd
like
to
take
any
public
comment.
If
anybody
out
there
has
anything
that
they
want
to
put
forward
on
this
subject,
I'd
be
glad
to
listen
to
you,
apparently
not
how
about
anybody
online
got
their
hand
up
nope,
okay,
so
I'll
close
that
little
piece
of
public
comment
committee.
A
What
would
any
other
comments,
or
what
would
you
like
us
to
do
on
this?
Mr
chairman,.
D
I
I
just
moved
to
have
legislation
drafted
to
transfer
ownership
of
the
state-owned
portion
to
the.
I
guess
appropriate
entity
that
that
owns
the
school
as
well
as
provide
direction
to
work
with
the
city
of
casper
to
acquire
that
portion
of
ownership
of
the
footprint
of
the
school.
A
And
I
got,
I
got
a
second
over
there
from
senator
landon
committee.
Any
discussion
on
on
the
bill.
Well,.
L
L
Just
real
quickly,
I
I
think
I
think
that
would
be
a
more
than
adequate
bill
draft
to
get
us
started.
I
I
think
we
kind
of
bounced
around
on
where
I
knew
some
of
the
issues
might
go
when
we
toured
that
facility
not
long
ago.
There's
there's
some
serious
issues
there,
so
I
think
we
can
understand
why
that
building
rose
to
a
level
of
of
planning
and
design
a
few
years
ago,
and-
and
it
was
shelved,
like
several
of
those
buildings-
were
that
so
we've
got
work
to
do
there.
L
But
I
think
this
is
a
great
first
step
and
I
think,
we've
covered.
Hopefully
daniel
we've
covered
the
issues
that
are
that
are
there
so.
E
Mr
chairman,
the
only
question
I
would
have
is,
I'm
not
sure
the
state
can
direct
neutronic
or
the
city
of
casper
to
sell
the
land
to
an
attorney
county
school
district
number.
One
negotiation
so
I'll
have
to
do
a
little
bit
more
research
on
that,
and
certainly
include
a
staff
comment
in
the
event.
There's
an
issue.
D
D
And
negotiate
acquisition
of
it
doesn't
even
have
to
be
purchased,
just
negotiate
acquisition
of
something
along
those
lines.
I
don't
think
we
can
direct
them
yeah.
That
would
be
very
popular.
This
is
a
good
idea.
All
right
sounds
like
we're
going
now.
A
Okay,
so
any
other
thoughts
on
that.
Okay,
all
committee,
all
those
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
opposed
okay,
we'll
have
that
bill
draft
prepared
for
our
next
meeting.
Okay,
let's
move
on
to
the
next
update.
I
Mr
chair
and
we'll
have
if
we
can
return
pine
view
and
park,
we're
sort
of
rolled
in
to
the
same
agenda
item.
So
we
can
return
to
page
11
of
the
of
the
agenda
and
then
valerie
can
speak
to
if
we've
seen
any
other
type
of
anomalies
of
leases
throughout
the
state
and
then
roll
into
the
next
item.
G
Mr
chairman
committee
members
in
regards
to
park
park
was
another
one
of
the
schools
that
we
toured
up
in
natrona
county
at
the
last
committee
meeting,
and
some
questions
arose
due
to
a
four
classroom
addition
that
was
going
on
at
that
facility,
and
so
in
this
summary
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
there
is
28
654
gross
square
feet
for
the
elementary
school,
whereas
the
allowable
square
footage
is
50,
949
square
feet
and
then
the
district
as
a
whole
has
roughly
about
365
339
square
feet
of
excess
educational
space
and
then,
additionally,
on
this
summary
sheet
included
what
the
major
maintenance
allocations
were,
the
most
recent
ones,
the
in-ear
balance
for
the
district
and
that
total
ending
balance.
G
As
of
june
30
2022
was
10
million
376
680,
the
district
does
still
have
roughly
well.
They
have
four
4
million,
a
hundred
twelve
dollars
that
that
can
be
used
towards
enhancement,
square
footage
per
statute.
That's
the
ten
percent
that
they
have
accumulated
and
still
have
available,
and
then
I
I
did
note
as
of
the
print
of
this
packet,
that
we
hadn't
received
the
information
for
the
enhanced
square
footage.
We
do
have
that
now.
G
B
B
I
A
I
suppose
does:
does
the
district
want
to
make
any
comment
on
that
particular
report.
L
Okay,
yes
senator
landon,
so
this
this
might
be
for
mr
rexus
or
director
vincent
miss
hughes
out
of
those
design
papers.
L
H
H
Getting
if,
if
the
design
firm
is
no
longer
in
business,
that
did
the
original
design
getting
another
firm
to
come
in
and
do
that
review
and
take
ownership
could
could
be
costly
if
that
design
firm
is
still
in
business.
Perhaps
a
negotiation
could
take
place
for
them
to
come
back
in
and
do
a
code
review
on
it
and
update
the
drawings,
but
I
think
everything
would
be
dependent
upon
what
the
current
educational
philosophy
of
that
district
is
and
what
their
programming
looks.
H
Like
things
have
a
tendency
to
change
from
time
to
time
we
see
different
administrations
and
and
different
expectations
in
regards
to
how
that
basket
of
goods
is
delivered,
and
so
it
would
have
to
be
something
that
the
school
district
was
in
agreement
with
that
that
was
still
a
functional
design
and
would
still
meet
their
their
needs,
but
I,
I
think,
there's
certainly
some
advantage
to
having
those
documents.
I
think
worst
case
scenario
you
you
still
have
at
the
very
least
a
conceptual
plan.
H
Maybe
some
of
the
spaces
might
need
to
change
some
of
the
adjacencies
within
the
building
might
need
to
change
in
order
to
meet
some
of
the
programming.
Certainly,
some
of
the
the
codes,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
would
need
to
be
revised,
but
you.
H
A
Right,
frankly,
and
just
for
my
input
frankly,.
A
It's
been
my
experience
that
number
one
education,
the
delivery
of
education
changes
very
rapidly
and
and
there's
what
was
designed
five
years
five
or
six
years
ago.
As
far
as
delivery
of
education
hit,
as
he
mentioned,
the
philosophy
has
changed.
A
Education
thinking
changed.
Second
of
all,
the
the
firm
that
was
selected
may
be
in
business,
but
certainly
a
lot
of
their
consultants
may
be
different,
and
that
plays
a
big
role
in
it,
especially
if
they've
got
a
planner,
an
education
planner.
Normally
most
architects
in
this
state
will
hire
someone
that
that
has
been
in
education.
A
That
does
these
things
full
time
around
the
country.
So
those
people
may
have
changed
even
if
the
original
firm
hasn't
changed
and
and
as
it
was
mentioned,
codes
have
changed.
I
I
know
that
right
now,
and
so
whatever
documents
were
delivered,
unless
they
were
just
conceptual,
certainly
are
not
no
longer
any
good,
they
will
have
to
completely
be
redone.
A
I
I
would
imagine
as
well
being
that
long
on
the
shelf,
that
there
might
not
even
be
a
contract
with
the
entity
that
designed
it
typically,
they
they
time
out
after
a
while,
and
the
contracts
are
closed,
which
would
mean
that
they
couldn't
just
open
another
contract.
With
that
same
firm,
they'd
have
to
go
out
for
another
request
for
qualification.
I
Mr
chair
senator
landon,
the
three
architect,
firms
that
I
worked
for.
We
didn't
want
to
take
over
someone
else's
drawings
and
or
their
engineers
whether
we
had
a
relationship
with
them
prior
or
not.
You
know,
probably
the
most
salvageable
part
of
the
plan
is
because
they
was
at
100
design
is
knowing
civil
engineering
and
drainage
and
locating
all
the
power
water
sewer
and
where
it's
at
and
what
depth
throughout
the
site
that
hasn't
changed,
and
then
any
city
requirements
and
working
with
them
on.
I
You
know
where
electrical
service
drop
might
occur
and
all
those
kind
of
things
those
that's
still
there
that
that
shouldn't
have
changed
much
but
possible,
but
it
would
be.
It
would
be
even
if
the
classroom
still
worked
for
the
district
and
we're
just
going
to
take
more
case
work
out
because
we're
doing
open
floor
plan
or
vice
versa.
I
I
would
tend
to
agree
with
senator
pappas.
It's
going
to
be
tough
to
resurrect
those
drawings
and
when
you
look
at
it
plus,
if
there
is
any
program
changes
like
like
what
john
mentioned
you're
going
to
look
at
that
delta
on
what
new
design
is
versus
the
other
design
and
bringing
it
up,
and
it's
just
going
to
be
better
to
go
forward.
I
would
agree
with
senator
pappas.
L
So,
mr
chairman,
I
I
suspected
as
much
and
I
I
thought
that
it
would
probably
be
pretty
marginal
and
it
that's
the
shame
of
it.
You
know
that
to
make
that
kind
of
investment
and
have
to
put
it
on
the
shelf
is,
is
just
that's
just
the
way
it
happened
and
the
way
you
know,
I
think
that's
something
we
needed
to
do,
but
it
definitely
costs
you.
Doesn't
it
so.
A
A
I'm
in
favor
of
a
single
contract
that
goes
from
from
level
one
level
to
level
three,
let's
not
appropriate
money
into
two
spots,
because
when
you
when
you,
when
you
do
level
one
level
two,
then
we
the
legislature,
have
the
ability
to
come
in
and
say:
oh,
we
don't
we're
not
gonna
fund
level
three
for
another
year
too,
that
creates
all
sorts
of
havoc.
So
I've
been
the
proponent
of
of
of
creating
a
system
where
we
we're
going
to
build
a
school.
I
Okay,
mr
chair,
that
to
me
the
worst
that
could
have
happened
back
in
the
day
as
they.
What
the
80
at
the
edm
drop
is.
You
would
have
got
school
built
at
those
dollars
instead
of
today's
dollars,
it
would
have
been
at
say,
45
capacity
and
either
no
other
school
comes
they're
gonna
have
to
balance
enrollment
through
that
you
know
until
until
growth
occurred
or
at
60
capacity
and
and
it
just
it
would
have
taken
care
of
their
needs
for
quite
a
while.
I
You
know,
and
they
would
have
figured
out
how
to
do
grade
level
reconfiguration
of
how
they're
going
to
make
that
work.
So
I
think
the
single
phase
could
have
kept
that
from
happening,
unfortunately,
that
it
doesn't
happen
a
lot
we're
the
step
between
first
step
and
second
step
costs.
Us
an
adm
and
a
project
gets
shelf,
but
it
absolutely
affects
the
construction
costs
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
I
would
agree
with
you.
G
Mr
chairman
committee
members,
another
request
was
in
regards
to
the
security
appropriations
for
for
k-12
school
facilities.
There
was
nine
million
dollars
appropriated
in
2015
and
an
additional
4.95
million
in
2019
for
an
aggregate
amount
of
13.95
million
that
was
appropriated.
G
There
was
a
list
of
of
appropriate
or
allowable
uses.
I
I
should
say
that
was
the
top
20..
G
Sorry,
I'm
on
page
40.
If
that
helps
everyone.
G
So
there
was
roughly
a
list
of
about
20
allowable
uses
for
that
appropriation
district
by
district,
and
there
was
an
assessment
that
was
done
that
identified
for
each
district,
where
there
were
some
issues
and
so
of
those
funds,
there's
roughly
2.9
million.
That
is
still
sitting
out
there
that
can
be
applied
to
new
projects.
G
There
are
some
projects
that
they
still
haven't
necessarily
been
completed
or
fully
expensed,
but
the
the
funds
are
earmarked
for
particular
projects
in
that
case,
but
overall,
on
the
right
hand,
column
that
says
available
for
new
projects,
the
total
at
the
bottom
in
your
packet,
it's
two
million
nine
hundred
eighteen
thousand,
seven
hundred
fifty
five
dollars
and
seventy
cents.
G
G
There's
only
a
small
handful
of
districts
that
have
expended
or
allocated
in
full
what
their
portion
was
of
that
we
did
internally
our
project
managers-
and
this
is
an
ongoing
active
effort.
But
earlier
this
year
they
kind
of
dug
in
and
really
reached
out
to
their
districts
or
they
they
attempted
to
to
go
ahead
and
encourage
the
use
of
these
2.9
million
dollars
that
are
sitting
out
there
to
go
ahead
and
make
sure
that
districts.
Remember
that
it's
there
and
that
it
can
be
used
towards
certain
things.
G
And
that
effort
resulted
in
roughly
about
752
000
that
that,
in
collaboration
between
the
department
and
the
districts
that
they
were
able
to
kind
of
clean
up
old
projects
that
were
sitting
out
there
and
put
it
back
into
the
buckets.
So
it
can
be
redeployed
by
that
particular
district.
G
G
Mr
chairman,
we
have
received
some
feedback
from
some
districts
that
the
the
list-
that's
here,
is
a
little
too
restrictive
for
the
use
of
funds,
so
they
may
have
other
security
items
that
they
want
to
address,
but
the
way
that
it
was
written
in
the
way
that
it
was
appropriated
it
wouldn't
be
necessarily
allowable.
A
Okay
and
and
the
there
aren't
any
districts,
at
least
when
we
we
discussed
it
in
casper,
when
we
met
with
the
district
there,
that
they
were
the
issue
with
spending,
it
all
was
doing
what
projects
at
a
time
they
were,
they
had
to
queue
them
up,
and
it
just
took
time
to
get
to
them,
and
I
think
they
had
a
couple
more
projects
that
they
had
to
get
to
before
they
were.
I
think
we
were
talking
about
vestibules
at
the
time.
A
Is
that
true,
at
a
lot
of
the
districts
first
of
all,
are
we
is
the
reason
why
we
have
balances
here
is
part
of
the
reason
is
that
they
just
haven't,
got
to
the
projects
yet
or
are
there
other
circumstances
that
are
that
are
keeping
them
from
executing
these
projects?.
G
Mr
chairman,
I
would
say
that
if
you're
looking
at
the
far
right
column
the
available
for
new
projects,
those
are
funds
that
districts
essentially
haven't
said.
I
want
to
use
them
for
this
project
and
earmarked
it.
Otherwise
we
would
have
it
in
our
record
and
it
would
fall
more
so
in
the
allocated
to
projects
column
or
the
total,
dowd
or
director
authorization
letter,
that's
required
to
go
ahead
and
set
aside
those
funds
or
encumber
those
funds
for
a
particular
project.
G
So
so
I
would
say
I
would
agree
with
you
and
say
that
I
do
believe
that
there
there
was
some
kind
of
phasing
here
of
projects
to
allow
for
things
to
to
get
completed,
but
I
would
say
that
there's
there's
certainly
money.
That's
out
there
that
we
are
not
aware
that
districts
have
something
in
mind
for.
A
G
That
would,
mr
chairman,
that
would
be
a
combined.
That
would
be
a
combined
of
what
has
been.
G
D
G
Mr
chairman,
senator
rothfuss,
I
do
not
have
that
information
with
me
at
this
time,
but
I
can
certainly
get
that
together
with
with
with
our
staff
and
circle
back
with
it.
That'd.
D
A
To
be
about
seven
of
them,
senator.
L
A
L
You,
mr
chairman,
so
miss
hughes.
Is
there
a
process
that,
if,
if
we've
got
a
district,
that
that
has
an
important
project
that
doesn't
have
the
resources
left
to
do
it?
L
Is
there
a
process
by
which
we
could
transfer
some
of
these
funds
out
of
sheridan
one,
for
example,
if
they're
not
going
to
use
anything,
can
we
direct
it
to
a
project
somewhere
else
in
the
state
that
where
we
need
it.
G
A
Okay-
and
that
was
to
my
point
whether
if
they
don't
need
them
all
the
monies,
you
know,
why
are
we
leaving
it
in
that
line
item
turkey
staff?
Do
you
have
any
any
thoughts
on
this.
K
Mr
chairman,
I
don't
believe
these
appropriations
were
made
at
a
district
specific
level.
They
were
a
an
amount
appropriated
for
security
projects
and
so
the
allocations,
my
understanding,
have
been
delegated
by
the
department.
The
legislature
never
appropriated
these
on
a
district-by-district
basis.
So
we
can
go
back
and
review
the
language
that
was
provided
in
the
session
law
and
providing
more
succinct
answer
more
detailed
answer.
But
my
gut
tells
me
these
are
in
a
a
total
amount
appropriated
to
the
department,
and
I
I
will,
on
the
authority
to
move
the
funds
around
across
districts.
K
G
G
Mr
chairman
we'd
certainly
be
happy
if
somebody
finds
something
different
on
that
that
allows
for
use,
but
what
generated
the
appropriations
was
actually
the
assessment
for
particular
items
at
each
of
the
districts
and
that
then
generated
the
total
amount
for
each
district
and
the
money
was
appropriated
to
each
of
those
districts
specifically
for
those
items
to
work
on
and
correct.
So
it
was
the
way
that
it's
written
has.
It
stems
from
what
that
assessment
did.
G
District
by
district
is
is
our
understanding,
so
if
there
is
something
that
it's
not
as
stringent
and
we
do
have
the
latitude
to
go
ahead
and
modify
that,
we
certainly
will
work
with
districts
to
do
that
and
are
happy
to
do
that.
But
that's
our
understanding.
A
Okay,
well,
I'd
ask
matt
if
you
would
do
that
research
before
the
next
committee
meeting
and
and
bring
us
your
thoughts
back
and
and
if
we
need
to
take
some
action
we
will
okay
committee
any
other
item.
Any
other
thoughts
on
this
item.
L
Land
just
a
final
thought
or
two:
I
I
appreciate
the
report
just
given
the
times
and
given
things
elsewhere,
you
know
it's
it's
good
for
us
to
take
a
look
at
this
every
chance.
We
get
just
make
sure
that
that
we're
eyeballing
things
we
can't
do
anything
about
a
rock
put
in
a
back
door
somewhere,
but
I'm
really
proud
of
the
efforts
of
this
committee
and
of
the
legislature
in
general.
L
On
on
the
security
front,
I
I
think
we've
gained
a
lot
of
ground
in
wyoming
and
I
think
we
need
to
stay
diligent,
so
they're.
A
We
certainly
can
actually
do
things
about
a
rock
putting
in
the
back
door
there.
There
there's
there's
electronic
hardware
in
our
and
we
and
we've
been
putting
them
in
new
schools
where,
where
there's
a
door
position
detector
and
a
latch
position
detector,
that
will
tell
you
whether
the
door
is
closed
and
if
it's
locked,
so
there
is
that
it
probably
gets
pretty
expensive
to
retrofit
all
our
schools,
but
certainly
all
our
new
schools
need
to
be
those
things
need
to
be
identified
and
and
and
put
in.
I
Mr
chair,
just
one
more
thing
to
consider
last
spring
I
spoke
to
some
districts,
so
it
doesn't.
This
list
doesn't
always
appear
the
way
it
is.
We
don't
we're
fine,
we
don't
need
anything
else
that
valerie's
talked
about.
Some
of
them
had
an
issue
with
what
they
wanted
to
do.
There
wasn't
enough
money
in
the
security
to
do
so.
I
They'd
have
to
take
out
of
their
major
maintenance
or
to
make
that
project
whole,
and
they
did
not
have
the
funds
to
take
from
major
maintenance
with
their
other
needs
in
which
to
do
it,
so
it
doesn't
just
if
you
see
a
zero
in
that
column,
it
doesn't
speak
that
we're
all
good.
It's
not
just
what
valerie's
saying
it's.
It
wasn't
enough
to
do
what
we
wanted
to
do
and
we
didn't
have
enough
available
to
make
it
up
and
to
meet
it.
So.
A
Well,
we
probably
should
we
probably
should
find
out.
If
that's
the
case,
certainly
I
don't
know
I
I
guess
it
was
probably
when
we,
when
we
did
this,
I'm
not
sure
I
was
on
this
committee
at
the
time.
So
those
of
you
who
were
was
there
a
survey
done.
How
did
we
come
up
with
the
original
appropriation
for
how
much
was
needed?
C
Statewide
some
of
those
are
listed
here
on
page
40.,
millions
and
millions
of
dollars,
and
we
knew
we
couldn't
eat
that
elephant
all
at
one
time,
and
so
what
the
legislature
did
at
that
time
was
picked
at
the
picked
about
seven
or
nine
items
off
the
list
and
then
appropriated
a
set
dollar
value.
C
C
So
then
we
opened
the
list
up
to
a
few
more
items,
but
still
I
don't
believe
it
was
the
entire
list
of
items
that
we
had
noticed
and
at
that
time
then
more
districts
applied
to
to
do
some
of
the
the
expanded
list
of
activities.
C
I
think
director
vincent,
I
really
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
and
then
a
lot
of
these
that
you'll
see
are
in
smaller
districts
in
which
they
couldn't
generate
enough
money
out
of
this
formula
to
do
the
project
that
was
needed
and
they
didn't
have
enough
internal
funds
to
make
up
the
difference,
and
so
they
just
walked
away
from
it
completely.
C
I
don't
think
we
have
have
spent
all
of
that
to
date
and
that's
why,
two
years
ago
we
did
not
request
more
safety
and
security
funding,
because
what
was
there
had
not
been
spent
and
probably
partially
due
to
the
list,
because
we
had
specific
items
you
had
to
do
and
whatnot.
So
that's
that's
the
history,
I
recall
and
would
hope
others
can
fill
in
the
blanks.
A
I
guess
that's
that's
a
concern
of
mine
that
we
had
certain
items
on
there
and
we
figured
10
or
9
or
10
million
dollars
would
cover
it.
But
if
we've
got
seven
districts
out
there
that
say
that
there's
not
enough
money
to
cover
it
and
and
we're
and
they're
not
providing
the
security
for
our
students
in
those
districts.
That's
troubling
to
me.
We
need
to.
A
C
Mr
chairman,
I
want
to
make
it
clear.
I
would
say
that
all
of
these
schools
are
providing
excellent
security
for
their
students.
I
don't
want
anyone
out
there
to
think
that
these
schools
don't
have
excellent
security
for
their
students,
because
they
all
have
excellent
security
for
their
students.
It's
really
a
matter
of
did
the
consultant
like
the
door
locks
that
we
were
using
or
did
they
think
it
should
be
an
electronic
door
lock
that
could
be
controlled
from
a
a
central
point.
C
You
know
it's,
it's
really,
that's
why
I
say
they're
all
very
secure
it's
more
of
a.
What
is
what
does
the
consultant
think
is
absolute
perfect
in
a
utopian
world
to
what
is
reality
out
in
the
state
of
wyoming,
and
so
I
feel,
like
our
schools,
are
very
secure.
I
believe
they're
very
secure.
I
think
the
districts
would
all
say
their
schools
are
very
secure.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
and
I
appreciate
the
former
chairman
catching
us
up
and
reminding
us.
You
know
where
we've
been
on
the
security
funding.
I
think
primarily
where
we
are
at
today
is
having
we
appropriated
block
grants,
basically
and
and
we
were
able
to
work
our
way
through
six
or
seven
or
eight
different
categories
of
a
rubric
that
was
provided
many
years
ago
and
the
representative,
I
think,
described
it
well,
we've
made
it
long
ways
down
that
list.
Some
of
these
things.
L
There
is
a
very
good
possibility
that
a
district
out
there
might
be
waiting
to
to
garner
more
funds
to
put
in
a
communication
system,
or
you
know
some
such
but
I
think
that's.
I
think
it's
good
for
us
to
find
that
out
and
just
make
sure
that
we're
providing
the
resources
out
there
that
might
be
needed.
I
think
we've
really
come
a
long
way
and
our
districts
have
done
a
great
job
on
this
front.
So,
okay,
thanks,
maybe
any.
A
Final
thoughts,
matt
anything.
K
K
The
balance
at
that
point
remaining
was
about
6.5
million
dollars,
which
was
reappropriated
along
with
an
additional
4.9
million
dollar
appropriation
kind
of
the
the
balance
of
what
was
already
expended,
close
close
to
about
that
it,
and
that
was
a
pro
that
reappropriation
and
the
new
appropriation
were
had
different
conditions
than
the
original
2014
and
2015
appropriation,
which
allowed
the
commission
to
approve
the
projects.
We
can
delve
in
this
a
little
bit
in
more
detail
at
the
next
meeting.
K
If
you
like,
but
that's
kind
of
a
quick
summary
of
what
the
13.95
million
dollar
appropriations
are
at.
Okay,.
L
Mr
chairman,
a
question
so
matt
somewhere
in
there,
we
recommended-
and
I
think
the
legislature
approved
it.
The
ability
to
use
10
of
your
major
maintenance
funding
is
that
correct
and
yeah.
K
Mr
chairman
and
sarah
landon
good
good
recollection
on
that,
the
prior
three
bainia
2017
18
20,
19,
20
and
21-
the
legislature
authorized
in
addition
to
the
13.95
million
dollars
in
security
funding
up
to
10
of
a
school
district's
major
maintenance
allocation
to
be
expended
upon
security
projects.
That
footnote
was
associated
with
agency
27
within
the
budget
bill
for
the
past
three
bindia.
K
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
man,
so
senator
office.
A
Probably
that
data
hasn't
been
requested
by
anyone,
maybe
we
should
request
that
from
the
districts.
G
D
A
You,
okay,
great,
I
think
we'd
like
to
see
that
at
the
next
meeting
also,
I
at
the
next
meeting
we'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
see
the
just
a
report
on
each
of
those
seven
districts
that
have
not
used
the
money
just
just
if
you
contact
them
and
see
what
their
thoughts
are
and
whether
it's
because
they
don't
looking
for
projects
larger
than
their
funding
or
what
the
reason
is.
A
Okay
committee,
any
other
discussion
on
this
topic.
Okay,
here,
none,
let's
move
on
to
expenditures,
expenditures
of
federal
funds
on
k-12,
school
capital,
construction
and
maintenance.
Okay,
mr
chair.
G
Mr
chairman
committee
members,
this
is
an
update
from
the
last
meeting.
There's
been
a
total
of
76
requests
that
have
come
in
from
districts
in
the
aggregate
amount
of
28.9
million,
and
those
requests
have
collectively
come
from
29
of
the
48
school
districts
and
a
total
of
roughly
about
1.3
million
has
been
distributed
to
the
districts.
Thus
far.
G
What
I
also
included-
and
I
believe,
representative
walters-
you
requested
this
at
the
last
meeting
on
page
44
of
the
printed
copy
of
the
booklet,
it
actually
separates
out
for
the
projects
that
were
submitted,
which
portion
we
actually
had
noted
on
facility
plans
from
the
2021
facility
plan
process
and
which
portion
was
not
included
on
a
facility
plan
in
working
through
that
process
with
the
district.
So
roughly
about
10.77
percent
of
the
projects
that
have
been
submitted
were
included
on
the
facility
plans.
F
Mr
chairman
committee
member
shelly
hamill
the
wde.
I
would
just
add
to
that
that
that
my
colleague
valerie
his
shirt.
I
appreciate
the
collaboration
between
our
two
agencies.
F
I
would
just
add
that
some
of
the
the
projects
that
are
submitted
through
this
process
are
not
necessarily
construction
projects,
as
they're
defined
and
approved
for
this
committee.
There
are
some
that
there's
a
requirement
that
anything
that
is
over
five
thousand
dollars
receive
a
pre-approval,
and
we
do
have
some
of
those
types
of
requests
that
are
also
ushering
through
the
same
system.
F
So
I
just
wanted
you
to
be
aware
of
that.
L
Just
a
quick
question
was
that
a
pretty
good
range
out
across
our
40-plus
districts,
the
request
for
this
funding
over
70
projects?
What
was
the
representation?
Did
it,
how
many
districts
did
that
represent
just
a
ballpark.
F
Mr
chairman
and
senator
landon,
that
represents
29
different
districts.
C
Walters,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman,
28.9
million
requested
one
project
has
been
denied,
doesn't
matter
which
one
that
is,
but
only
1.3
of
this
has
been
expended.
So
what's
the
timeline
for
these
other
districts
to
expect
to
receive
their
funds
and
be
able
to
start
working
on
these
projects,
I
guess
that's
really.
The
next
step
forward
is
what
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
here.
F
Mr
chairman
and
representative
walters,
that's
a
great
question.
The
federal
funds
always
work
on
a
reimbursement
type
process,
so
the
1.3
that's
been
reimbursed,
doesn't
necessarily
just
represent
one
project
or
two
projects:
it's
pieces
of
projects
so
as
school
districts
expend
on
their
projects
and
submit
for
reimbursement.
They
receive
that
reimbursement
quickly.
So
we
would
anticipate
seeing
that
uptick
pretty
quickly.
F
The
the
funds
need
to
be
obligated
by
july
30th
of
2023
and
fully
expended
in
2024,
so
that
when
you
look
at
the
life
of
a
construction
project,
as
you
know,
it
takes
a
little
bit
of
time,
but
we
we
anticipate
seeing
a
slow
down
in
construction
requests
through
this
process
and
an
uptick
in
the
the
reimbursement
request.
C
F
Mr
chairman
and
representative
walters,
we
usually
strive
to
have
a
30-45
day
turnaround
at
the
the
long
end.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So,
let's
move
on
to
the
history
appropriations
for
design
with
without
construction
funds
leave.
I
Mr
chair,
we
continue
on
with
valerie
and
john
on
this
topic.
Okay,.
A
I
H
Mr
chairman
committee
members,
at
the
last
select
committee
meeting,
we
discussed
some
of
the
projects
that
we
knew
of
that
had
design
without
construction
appropriations,
and
so
you
asked
us
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
a
history
and
and
and
follow
up
with
the
projects
that
had
that
occur,
and
what
I
found
was
that
we
had
a
total
of
five
projects
that
had
received
design
funding
without
a
construction
appropriation.
H
H
That
project's
still
ongoing
to
date,
I
think
where
we're
at
is
they
they're
they're,
pretty
close
to,
if
not
having
already
fixed
the
site?
They've
expended
some
of
those
funds
in
the
amount
of
nine
hundred
fifty
one
dollars
and
seventy
four
cents
for
due
diligence
on
the
property
and,
like
I
said
now,
they're
ready
to
move
forward
the
remaining
balance
of
347
thousand
four
hundred
and
forty
eight
dollars
and
twenty
eight
twenty
six
cents.
H
We
feel
might
be
a
little
bit
short
for
a
complete
design
of
that
facility
based
on
the
requirements
that
were
driven
by
the
size
of
the
school
district,
as
well
as
the
the
programming
that
was
driven
and
our
guidelines
for
that
type
of
facility.
H
A
H
H
If
you
have
some
questions
regarding
a
project,
he
probably
is
more
familiar
with
all
the
intricacies
than
I
am,
but
essentially
where
we're
at
is
we're
going
out
with
an
rfp
for
what
we
would
consider
a
level
two
study
for
conceptual
design
and
cost
estimate
on
that
site,
with
an
alternate
for
a
cost
for
complete
design
just
to
see
how
close
we
would
be
and
how
feasible
it
is
for
us
to
complete
that
design,
but
worst
case
scenario.
A
Since
this
was
appropriated
in
2014,
which
was
the
amount
adequate
enough
because
I'm
assuming
the
design
came
much
later.
H
H
I
do
know
that
at
the
time
I
don't
believe
the
site
was
yet
fixed
and
the
district's
been
performing
diligence
in
order
to
to
acquire
that
site,
and
I
think
they're
they're
ready
to
move
forward
now,
but
I
can't
find
anything
specific
about
you
know
what
we
anticipated
in
regards
to
the
size
of
that
building.
Being
I
know
that
some
of
that
expenditure
was
to
drive
out
the
programming
and
and
determine
what
our
adequacy
standards
and
guidelines
allow
for
that
type
of
facility.
H
A
Yes,
I
see
seems
like
he's,
got
a
comment
to
share
with
us.
Please.
B
Thank
you,
chairman
pappas,
dennis
holmes
associate
superintendent
for
instructional
support
campbell
county.
B
B
We
have
three
bays
one
wash
bay
and
I
think
it's
pretty
simple
easy
to
understand
that
170
buses
do
not
fit
on
an
acre
and
a
half,
so
we
park
them
on
many
different
sites
is
necessary.
B
L
Waiting
in
in
conjunction
with
the
sfc
to.
B
Work
with
the
county
to
finalize
that
exchange,
so
the
other
than
the
due
diligence
there's
no
cost
to
the
state,
and
then
it
would
be
our
hope
to
continue
on
first
to
secure
funding
and
then
whether
it's
a
level
two
design
or
something
further
than
that,
our
hope
would
be
to
go
ahead
and
create
a
facility
that
is
suitable
for
170
buses,
plus
our
other
fleet
that
we
have,
which
is
about
another
60
vehicles.
So
that's
where
we're
at
and
certainly
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
B
H
The
the
second
appropriation
that
we
received
for
design,
but
not
construction,
has
been
a
pretty
hot
topic
already
today
and
that's
pineview
elementary
school
in
the
toronto
county
school
district,
one,
the
one
we
toured
in
casper
wyoming,
that
appropriation
came
in
the
2012
budget
session,
which
would
have
been
the
1314
biennial
session
and
it
was
for
design
in
the
amount
of
1
million
193
357.
H
A
H
A
H
I
would
have
to
look
a
little
bit,
mr
chairman,
but
I
do
have
that
information.
I
suspect
it
was
right
around
2016,
but
I
can.
A
D
H
Mr
chairman,
I
would
like
to
say
that
the
design
firm
that
did
design
those
those
drawings
and
and
that
building
is
still
in
business.
It's
it's
a
local
design,
firm.
H
They
actually
also
designed
the
ira
thompson,
building
there
in
casper
and
and
did
quite
well
on
that
too.
So
if
this
may
be
one
of
those
buildings
that
if
the
the
functionality
still
meets
the
district's
requirements,
that
it
would
be
quite
possible
for
us
to
wow
to
look
at
that
and
and
just
see
it
would
require
a
negotiation
to
to
determine
what
the
cost
might
be
to
blow
the
dust
off.
That.
A
So
so
yeah,
if
if
indeed
it
can
be
resurrected
and
and
modified,
seems
like
there's
plenty
of
fee
to
do
that
so
left.
H
H
The
other
thing
that
I'd
like
to
note
is,
I
did
take
a
look
at
this
in
regards
to
the
the
justification
for
not
making
an
additional
funding
request
for
the
construction,
and
I
think
this
one
in
particular
was
a
little
more
complicated
than
the
remaining
three
schools
that
we're
about
to
talk
about.
In
that
the
enrollment
didn't
take
a
drastic
decline.
It
it
stayed
fairly
steady.
H
The
addition
was
to
sunset
elementary
school,
which
was
a
fairly
new
school,
and
then
we
also
had
an
addition:
slash
remodel
at
glen
livingston
elementary
school,
the
appropriation
for
the
glenn
livingston
elementary
school
was
a
total
of
741
623
dollars,
and
the
total
amount
of
expenditures
on
that
project
were
two
hundred
and
nineteen
thousand
fifty
five
dollars
and
eleven
cents,
and
that
school,
along
with
the
other
remaining
schools
on
the
list,
also
were
designed
to
100
design
and
ready
for
bid.
H
I
think
at
the
time-
and
and
this
was
one
of
my
regions
and
one
of
my
projects
when
we
determined
that
enrollment
had
drastically
fallen
off
and
it
eliminated
them
from
consideration
for
the
construction
appropriation
we
were
so
close
to
being
complete.
H
5
000
left
in
the
design
contract
to
take
those
across
the
finish
line
that
we
felt
like
it
would
be
more
appropriate
if
we
were
going
to
shelve
the
plans
to
spend
that
five
thousand
dollars
and
take
them
100
of
the
way.
Just
in
case
there
was
another
turn
in
enrollment
and
and
and
we
needed
to
effectively
use
those
designs
to
relieve
a
capacity
issue.
H
H
H
It
was
for
a
total
of
and
seventy
dollars
of
which
we
spent
a
hundred
and
two
thousand
nine
hundred
and
forty
six
dollars
and
ninety
four
cents.
That
project
was
also
designed
to
a
hundred
percent
and
with
that
I'll
stand
for
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
Okay.
Thank.
A
You
john
committee,
any
questions.
D
On
the
you
into
six
any
concerns
about
recent
population
growth
there,
or
is
that
relatively
stable?
I,
I
don't
recall
any
population
pressure
there,
but.
H
H
I
don't
I
don't
have
this
up
in
the
excel
spreadsheet,
so
we
can
do
the
math
here
quickly.
Valerie's
got
it
up,
but
that
is
a
k-5
and
for
2020.
H
L
Well,
mr
chairman,
just
a
thought
before
we
leave:
these
are
all
capacity
type
projects
and
driving
down.
I
I
thought
about
yesterday's
conversation
about
charter
schools,
which
I
think
is
is
on
the
minds
of
a
lot
of
folks
out
across
the
state.
There's
there's
some
push
going
on
there
and
I
just
throw
that
out
for
awareness
that
if
those
wishes
are
met,
for
example-
and
we
get
several
more
charter
schools,
it's
it's
going
to
affect
school
facilities,
and
so
I
I
don't.
L
I
don't
have
much
to
say
beyond
that
other
than
I'm
sure
that
our
commission,
our
director
and
his
staff
are
going
to
have
to
be
aware
of.
What's
that
going
to
do
with
our
considerations
for
modifications
to
schools
out
across
there,
I'm
going
to
be
a
little
more
reluctant
to
to
expand
schools
if,
if
it's
the
same
district,
that
is
going
in
a
different
direction.
A
Throw
that
out.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
senator
landon
committee.
Any
thoughts
or
questions
on
on
on
the
these
five
schools,
or
this
topic.
B
D
I
first
of
all,
I
appreciate
all
the
work
we
we
asked
for
this
information,
so
we
could
understand
if
there's
anything
that
we're
missing
that
got
swept
under
the
rug
over
the
years,
and
it
was
largely
motivated
by
our
discussion
of
pine
view
at
the
last
meeting
and
and
it's
honestly
quite
good
to
know
that
we
we
don't
have
a
half
dozen
other
ones,
sitting
out
there
that
we
weren't
aware
of
to
me.
D
It
really
looks
like
we
need
to
finally
resolve
pine
view
that
that's
got
to
be
one
of
our
key
priorities,
and
I
think
that
should
probably
one
of
our
highest
priorities
is
to
work
with
pineview
as
a
committee.
Now
that
we've
solved
a
lot
of
the
problems
of
the
past,
but
by
the
sound
of
it,
the
two
park,
six
and
the?
U
into
six
circumstances.
There
there's
no
point
in
in
moving
forward
the
remedy
those
have
resolved.
D
They
were
popular
capacity
based
and
and
are
resolved,
and
it
also
sounds
like
the
transportation
circumstance
in
campbell.
One
is
is
moving
on
a
path,
it's
a
rational
path
as
they
explore
property
and
and
figure
out
how
to
resolve
transportation
building.
So
I
mean
my
takeaway
from
this
and
I
hope
it's
the
same
as
the
rest
of
the
select
committees.
D
We've
got
the
pine
view
elementary
school
task
ahead
of
us
solve,
find
a
remedy
there,
and
and
otherwise
we're
good
on
the
on
the
past
designs
and
and
from
this
point
forward,
we'll
have
the
legislation
that
we
look
at
later
to
ensure
that
we're
we're
not
creating
any
more
of
these
circumstances.
But
it's
it's
good
to
hear
that
we
can.
We
can
clean
this
up,
and
hopefully,
after
this
year,
have
this
circumstance
resolve.
That's
that's
a
great
win
for
us.
If
we
do.
Thank
you.
A
Maybe
any
other
thoughts:
okay!
Well,
this
wraps
up
our
first
session,
the
construction
department's
responses
to
our
to
our
inquiries
from
last
last
meeting,
so
I'll
open
it
up
now
to
public
comment
on
any
one
of
the
updates
plus.
I
know
there
are
folks
here
that
want
to
they
want
to
discuss.
I
believe,
hobbs
elementary
and
I'm
going
to
allow
any
public
comment
so
that
folks
don't
have
to
wait
till
the
end
of
the
day.
A
A
You
know
I
was
hoping
I
was
hoping
we
could
get
to
about
10
30
for
the
break,
so
if,
if
we
could,
because
I
think
they're
only
going
to
speak
a
few
minutes
so,
first
of
all
any
public
comment
on
any
of
the
updates
anybody
online,
karen,
no
okay,
all
right!
Thank
you.
Could
I
have
those
folks
that
wanted
to
make
some
comments
on.
I
believe
hobbs
elementary,
please
come
forward
and
tell
us
who
you
are
and
and
share
your
thoughts
with
us.
M
M
M
Kids
in
wyoming
are
tough
and
they're
resilient,
so
our
concern
is
not
that
our
kids
are
uncomfortable,
and
I
really
want
you
to
know
that
that
is
an
utter
concern,
but
we
as
parents
and
my
husband's
a
pto
board
member
at
hobbs.
We
spent
the
first
couple
of
weeks
of
school
trying
to
find
quick
and
impactful
solutions
to
our
school's,
inadequate
cooling
system
and
really
it's
a
non-existent
cooling
system
so
that
our
children
and
their
teachers
can
focus
on
learning
and
not
on
how
hot
it
is
in
the
classroom.
M
M
We
are
concerned
with
how
addressing
critical
infrastructure
needs
can
lower
a
school's
fci
score,
thus
creating
an
environment
where
schools
and
school
districts
are
left
with
this
choice.
Do
we
create
a
safe
and
healthy
environment
for
students
by
performing
critical
maintenance,
or
do
we
forego
maintenance
to
keep
our
fci
score,
which
will
allow
for
what
really
needs
to
be
done,
which
is
either
major
renovation
or
a
new
facility
construction?
M
We
are
concerned
about
the
fairness
and
the
equity
in
how
fci
scores
are
calculated
and
then
how
those
scores
are
utilized
across
the
state
if
a
school
must
have
a
new
roof
because
it
caved
in,
but
no
other
critical
infrastructure
needs
are
addressed
inside
the
facility.
Is
that
school
really
in
a
condition
that
is
suitable
and
equitable
for
learning?
M
We
certainly
don't
envy
the
position
that
you're
in
and
we
are
not
experts
in
this.
We
only
started
researching
about
two
weeks
ago,
so
we
we
totally
think
that
you're
in
a
terrible
position
and
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
fix
this,
and
and
not
only
that,
but
the
permanent
funding
solutions
that
you
guys
have
to
figure
out.
M
A
Okay
committee,
any
questions,
mr
chairman
yeah
senator
rothfuss,
who.
B
Mr
chairman
senator
rufus
over
the
past
couple
weeks,
please
for
the
record.
A
B
A
B
Oh
excuse
me,
my
name
is
pj
barrett.
We
have.
We
have
spoken
to
legislators,
particularly
representative
landon
brown,
we've
spoken
to
district
staff
and
administrators
teachers,
parents
and
have
gathered
a
lot
of
information
and
feedback
on
this
particular
topic.
M
So
this
morning
our
pto
is
still
actively
trying
to
figure
out
a
solution.
We
really
haven't
gotten
too
much
support
from
school
district
itself
or
anybody
else.
It's
really
a
pto
driven
trying
to
find
a
solution.
This
morning
they
ran
out
and
purchased
portable
fans
for
each
classroom,
which
we
don't
believe
will
overload
the
electrical
system
in
the
school.
D
So,
mr
chairman,
putting
on
my
engineer
hat
I'm
a
chemical
engineer,
you
want
swamp
coolers.
M
No,
we
want
systems,
we,
we
want
facilities
that
are
safe
and
helping.
D
D
Absolutely
no,
I
agree
with
that.
I'm
just
saying
in
the
in
the
short
term
right,
the
swamp
cooler
is
basically
the
same
energy
as
the
fan,
but
it's
actually
providing
cooling
in
high
temperature
dry
climates,
which
is
what
we
have
now
they're
about
a
fifth
of
the
energy
consumption
of
an
air
conditioner.
So
they'll
be
the
same
power
consumption
that
you
have
with
the
fan,
but
they'll
provide
cooling.
So
that's
just
the
the
right
immediate
answer
and
we
should
be
paying
for
those
honestly.
A
Also
senator
rothfuss,
I
believe,
the
costs
they
were
looking
at
because
of
because
of
the
the
electrical
consumption
they
were
talking
about.
I
think
they
were
looking
at
split
system,
evaporators
and
condensers,
because
a
swamp,
cooler,
evaporative
cooler,
would
not
would
not
up
the
the
electrical
requirement,
so
I
think
their
pto
mustn't
must
have
been
looking
at
something
more
than
a
evaporative
cooler.
B
Yeah,
mr
chairman
and
southerner
office
we've
looked
at
a
number
of
different
temporary
solutions.
We
all
come
back
to
the
the
same
roadblock,
which
is
the
electrical
system
in
the
school
simply
can't
handle
that
many
devices
in
each
classroom
working
simultaneously,
even
with
simple
space
heaters
during
the
winter
time.
They've
encountered
this
in
the
past
when
they've
tried
it
and
the
electrical
system
just
simply
can't
handle
the
additional
devices
in
the
classrooms.
M
Mr
chairman,
we
have
heard
stories
because
we've
asked
our
community.
What
would
what
are
you
doing
in
your
schools?
And
there
are
other
schools
that
are
equally
as
in
poor
condition
as
hobbs
elementary
school
and
teachers
in
those
schools
report
that
they
can't
even
plug
in
an
electro
skillet
without
causing
the
lights
to
turn
off
in
their
classrooms.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
miss
barrett
appreciate
your
testimony.
Thank
you.
D
J
If
I
was
going
to
just
group
that
we
have
about
12
12
schools
that
are
in
about
60
to
70
year
old
range
that
when
they
were
designed,
they
were
not
designed
for
air
conditioning
or
an
electrical
load
of
you
know
to
meet
any
any
of
the
needs
today.
So
in
that
same
bunch
of
schools,
we
face
the
same
issue
with
all
of
them.
A
lot
of
them
are
they're
inadequate
as
far
as
the
distribution
system
for
electrical
within
the
school
and
then,
of
course,
the
source
to
the
school.
J
The
load
that
actually
is
designed
for
that
school
or
was
designed
at
the
time
is
not
adequate
to
continue
adding.
You
know
from
70
years
ago,
the
technology
today
the
the
lighting
systems,
the
heating,
any
temporary
cooling
systems
we
start
running
into
which
they
start
blowing
breakers
shutting
down.
Then
it
you
know,
weakens
the
breakers
and
then
pretty
soon.
We
have
classrooms
without
power
that
the
breaker
won't
stay
on
for
the
day.
So
we've
always
taken
the
stance
that
most
of
those
portable
units
are
not
allowed
in
the
classrooms.
J
We've
looked
at
I'm
sorry,
I
apologize.
We've
looked
at
some
of
them,
possibly
you
know
retrofitting
some
type
of
rooftop
units
in
them
generally.
If
we
have
a
structural
engineer,
look
at
them
the
structure
that
we
have
on
those
schools
won't
support
the
rooftop
units
and
actually
have
a
report
on
three
or
four
of
those
schools
that
came
several
years
before
I
was
in
this
position.
They
had
to
go
in
and
reinforce
the
structural
beams
that
were
in
those
roofs
already
just
carrying
the
roof
load.
That's
on
them.
D
J
J
Obviously,
for
you
know,
since
the
inception
of
the
department
and
prior
to
that,
even
and
this
year,
we've
spent
revising
it
seeing
what
we
can
do
to
possibly
even
consolidate
some
schools,
either
remodel
or
replace
schools
that
are
a
good
candidate
for
that
and
then
possibly
reducing
the
the
total
number
of
our
schools
in
order
to
offset
those
costs
and-
and
we
have
a
first
phase
of
that-
that
we've
sort
of
opened
up
currently
and
and
we're
working
on
the
continuation
of
that
right
now.
C
J
Chairman
representative
walters,
I
do
not
have
that
exact
number.
I
believe
our
reserves
in
major
maintenance.
We
generally
run
at
a
at
almost
a
full
10
in
there,
which
is
close
to
10
million
each
year
and
we
going
into
next
year.
We
do
have
some
additional
money
to
spend
out
of
that.
J
As
far
as
that
being
a
fix
for
the
air
conditioning
on
that
particular
block
of
schools,
we've
we've
evaluated
that
and
looked
at
it
several
times,
and
I
don't
think
they're
a
candidate
to
use
that
on
those.
C
Follow-Up
sure,
I
guess
the
last
part
of
your
answer-
I
don't
track,
why?
Wouldn't
it
be
a
candidate,
any
any
kind
of
maintenance?
The
district
wants
to
do
is
at
a
local
control
level,
and
so
I
would
think
that
you
could
spend
your
major
maintenance
dollars
and
your
your
reserves
fixing
your
schools
in
any
way.
So
I
I
need
to
track
down
a
little
farther
on
what
your
final
comment
was.
J
Mr
chairman,
representative
walters,
so
the
end
of
that
comment
is:
let's
use
hobbs,
for
example,
that
they
just
spoke
to.
We
we
could
not
retrofit
air
conditioning
into
that
school.
The
only
way
to
do
that
would
be
to
redo
the
entire
heating
system
and
probably
put
rooftop
units
on
the
school.
J
The
structural
supports
in
that
school
have
already
had
an
engineered
fix
once
just
to
get
them
to
carry
the
roof
load,
so
the
the
only
fix
would
be
to
go
in
and
completely
renovate
that
entire
school,
that
entire
school
to
be
renovated
is
going
to
have
to
be
taken
all
the
way
back
down
structurally
and
and
come
up
from
the
ground
up,
which
is
probably
you
know,
just
just
throwing
a
round
number
out
there,
coyote
ridge,
that
we're
building
just
up
the
street
from
it
right
now.
J
Two
blocks
has
a
construction
cost
of
26
million.
I
would
think
renovating
that
school
is
going
to
be
in
the
neighborhood
of
11
to
15
million,
at
least,
and
I
don't
know
that
it's
even
going
to
be
done
for
that.
So
I
don't
it's
not
a
candidate
to
just
retrofit
air
conditioning
into
it.
It'd
be
a
candidate
for
a
complete
remodel
or
replacement.
A
My
only
concern
was
what
what
spirit
ms
barrett
brought
up
was
that
indeed,
if
we
do,
you
know,
the
replacement
is
the
ult
or
or
remodel
is,
is
what's
gonna
happen
to
all
of
these
schools,
one
one
way
or
that
on
another
we
have
to
provide
a
an
environment
where
children
can
learn
and
they
can't
learn
when
it's
85
degrees
in
in
the
classroom
so
and
then
freezing
in
the
wintertime.
A
What
does
that
do
to
the
fci
score,
as
she
mentioned,
and
it's
troubling
to
me
that
we've
determined
these
schools
need
replacement
or
renovation,
and
then
we
allow
them
to,
and
we
know,
because
we
can't
replace
schools,
it's
going
to
be
6
10
years
down
the
line.
Who
knows
when
that
we
don't
just
lock
them
in
in
in
to
their
current
score
and
and
so
that
they
don't
have
to
be
rescored,
because
we
put
some
dollars
into
the
building
just
to
make
it
livable
that
concerns
me.
A
I
don't
know
if
it
concerns
the
rest
of
the
committee.
Well,
we
we've
got
to
come
up
with
a
way
to
be
able
to
provide
some
some
relief
to
these
schools
that
are
way
below
facility
requirements
way
below
what's
needed,
for
a
learning
environment.
Yet
don't
continue
to
move
their
score.
Well,
they'll
never
be
accommodated.
A
So
I
don't
know
you
know
it's
a
discussion
we've
had
in
the
past
and
it
looks
like
we'll
continue
discussing
it
in
the
future,
but
it's
something
that
we've
got
to
get
a
handle
on,
because
our
kids
can't
keep
learning
what
will
not
learn
in
environments
like
this.
So
anyway.
My
my
thoughts,
anything
else
or
we.
M
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
as
I
was
sitting
here
contemplating
what
I
was
going
to
say
and
whether
it
was
even
feasible
first
of
all
the
fci
score.
Can
someone
lay
that
out
for
me
and
then,
as
I
sit
and
think
about
the
way
hobbs
is
situated,
it
sits
in
the
sun
most
of
the
day,
and
I
was
just
wondering:
are
there?
Is
there
some
kind
of
blind
system
that
we
can
use
in
the
school
keeping
the
blinds
low
as
the
sun
goes
across
the
the
building?
M
Are
there
some
kind
of
trees
we
can
plant
out
there
temporarily
or
some
kind
of
shading
system
to
use
on
the
school,
just
a
thought,
because
I'm
in
the
same,
I
guess
quandary
as
everybody
else.
What
do
we
do?
So?
If
someone
can
answer
those
questions.
A
I
certainly
get
I
I'll,
let
some
I'll
let
the
department
talk
about
the
fci
score,
that's
a
pretty
intricate
discussion
and-
and
I'm
not
sure
we
can
go
there
today.
This.
A
A
I
don't
care
how
much
shade
you've
got
you've
gotten
the
the
transfer
of
heat
from
the
exterior
to
the
interior.
These
buildings,
as
you
know,
are
very
poorly
insulated
that,
even
if
you
shade
them,
the
interior
temperature
is
still
going
to
climb
to
to
pretty
much
what
the
ambient
temperature
is
and
also
every
every
student
every
person
in
that
facility
gives
off
btus.
A
You
know
a
body
at
rest
will
give
out
450
btus
just
at
rest,
you
know
kids,
if
they're
never
around
and
then
certainly
the
lighting,
the
lighting
loads
in
all
the
equipment
inside
there
it's
generating
internal
heat.
So
there's
not
enough
shading.
You
certainly
can't
plant
trees.
I
mean
it'll
be
years,
we'll
replace
the
school
before
the
trees
grow.
So
there
I
don't
see
any
any
reason
to
spend
the
funds
that
were
required
to
put
in
shading
devices
over
the
school.
A
Certainly,
they
have
blinds
already
on
the
windows
and
again
I'm
sure
they
close
those
when
there's
direct
sun
coming
in.
But
you
know
that's
another
problem,
you
don't
want
kids
learning
in
the
in
the
dark
either.
That's.
A
We
provide
adequate
sunlight
because
the
learning
environment
requires
adequate
sunlight,
natural
sunlight
is
best
for
the
learning
environment
and
and
the
more
you
block
the
sun,
the
more
internal
you
turn
you
turn
on
more
light.
So,
in
my
opinion,
shading
is
not
an
answer.
A
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
has
any
thoughts,
but
I
hope
I
hope
that
answered
the
question
for
you.
Senator
hutchings.
A
Okay,
is
there
any
other
any
other
comments
on
this
subject?
If
not
we'll
go
to
break
I'd
like
to
it's
about
10
40.,
let's
come
back
in
15
minutes,
okay,
all
right!
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
can
we
come
back
to
order
now,
please
I
keep
this
ball
rolling.
A
Okay,
let's
see
do
we
have
enough
folks
here.
A
We
don't
have
enough
folks
here
we
need,
we
have
two
online.
A
So,
let's,
let's
press
on
we're
at
the
point
to
discuss
draft
legislation
so
daniel.
Would
you
please
take
us
through
the
legislation.
E
E
E
E
E
The
substance
of
the
amendment
can
be
found
on
the
bottom
of
page
2
lines
19
through
22
and
on
to
page
3
lines
1
and
2..
As
they
stated.
This
language
currently
exists
in
your
budget
bill.
It
was
adopted,
it's
been
adopted,
I
think
in
the
last
two
by
nes
and
what
it
does
is
it
transfers
the
money
from
the
sub-account
to
the
state
capital
construction
account
it
automates
that
transfer
moving
on
to
page
three
lines:
nine
and
ten.
E
This
is
the
piece
that
prioritizes
the
transfer
from
the
in
from
the
sipa
to
the
sub
account
over
the
transfer
to
the
state
penitentiary.
Capital
construction
account.
Currently,
lso
staff
believes
that
there's
an
ambiguity
between
which
of
these
transfers
would
occur.
First
historically,
there
hasn't
been
an
issue
with
regard
to
the
funds,
and
so
both
of
these
items
have
happened,
but
the
joint
appropriations
committee,
as
well
as
the
budget
staff,
have
asked
us
to
bring
this
board
within
the
spill
draft.
E
Moving
on
to
page
3
lines,
19
page
4
lines
10..
This
amends
the
statute
that
creates
the
school
lands.
Mineral
royalties
account
you'll
note
on
page
4
lines
5
through
10.
This
language
is
very
similar
to
the
language
previously
discussed
and
again
this
just
just
automates
the
transfer
of
the
funds
within
this
account
to
the
school
capital
construction
account.
E
This
act
is
effective
immediately
that
language
can
be
found
on
lines
12
through
15
on
page
four,
and
the
reason
that
it's
effective
immediately
is
in
light
of
the
change
on
page
three
lines:
nine
and
ten
with
regard
to
the
prioritization
of
the
transfers
from
the
cipa
account
to
the
state
penitentiary
account
and
the
sub
account.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
being
the
new
guy
on
the
up
here
and
the
only
representative
at
the
moment.
I
guess,
could
you
refresh
our
memory
of
what
problem
we're
trying
to
solve
with
this.
E
Mr
chairman
representative,
certainly
the
direction
was
to
automate
the
transfers
to
the
school
capital
construction
account,
it's
an
issue
that
the
joint
appropriations
has
looked
at,
and
this
committee
has
looked
at
as
well,
as
I
stated
previously
for
the
last
two
biennials.
This
process
has
been
contained
within
the
budget
bill,
and
so
as
an
effort
to
formalize
and
codify
that
process
that
has
been
operationalized
and
been
utilized
to
fund
the
school
capital
construction
account.
E
K
Mr
chairman
and
representative
jennings,
the
state
auditor,
under
the
under
the
draft
bill,
and
also
the
budget
language
utilizes,
these
transfers
at
periods
in
which
is
necessary
to
cash
flow.
The
school
capital
construction
account
historically,
there's
been
a
substantial
balance
in
the
school
capital.
Construction
account
from
historical
police
bonus
revenues
as
those
have
dwindled.
A
Representative
jennings,
thank.
B
You,
mr
questions,
so
three
biennium
ago
was
there
were
there
problems
with
this?
Is
that
why
we
moved
to
this?
This
way.
K
Mr
chairman
and
representative,
representing
there's
a
little
bit
more
back
story
on
just
kind
of
these
revenue
sources.
The
first
is
the
state
mineral
royalties
which
are
now
contained
in
the
school
lands.
Mineral
royalties
account
used
to
actually
flow
directly
to
the
school
capital
construction
account.
There
was
no
transfer
of
funds.
Those
actually
were
deposited
directly
to
the
school
capital.
Construction
account,
I
believe,
was
in
the
2017
or
2018
session.
K
The
legislature
can
appropriate
one-third
of
the
state
royalties
on
school
lands
for
purposes
of
k-12
education,
so
that
that
new
account
and
the
process
to
increase
from
eight
million
annually
to
the
full
one-third
redirected
it
redirected.
Those
revenues
from
the
school
capital
construction
account
to
a
separate
account,
and
so
since
that
time
the
legislature
has
automated
these
transfers
only
on
a
two-year
basis
through
the
budget
bill.
K
Those
earnings
are
deposited
within
the
sub-account
in
the
in
this
in
the
in
the
cipa,
and
those
are
then
transferred
by
the
budget
bill
to
the
school
capital
construction
account.
That
is,
a
new
revenue
source.
The
legislature
has
dedicated
to
k-12
education
and
specifically
for
the
school
capital.
Construction
account.
L
Mr
chairman
matt,
thank
you
for
that.
I
appreciate
it.
I
hope
that
helped
representative
gemini
to
understand
where
we
come
from
and
where
we
are
today,
can
you
remind
us
how
those
payments
go
out
to
the
districts
and
why
that
you
know
why
this
cash
flow
issue
is
what
it
is.
K
Sure,
mr
chairman
and
senator
landon,
these
are
these
revenue.
Sources
are
deposited
within
the
school
capital
construction
account
which
support
the
appropriations
from
the
school
capital
construction
account.
These
don't
pay
for
all
of
your
major
maintenance
or
school
capital
nutrition
projects.
The
legislature
has
supplemented
for
the
past
couple.
Biennia
from
the
sipa
permanent
wyoming
middle
trust
fund
reserve
account
the
general
fund,
the
lsra
other
accounts
to
the
school
capital.
Construction
account
to
fully
fund
those
appropriations.
K
That
is
approximately
about
20
20
million
dollars
per
payment,
and
then
the
construction
projects
are
paid
on
an
invoice
basis
from
school
districts,
as
those
projects
are
constructed
or
designed
or
component
projects
are
are
paid
for.
So,
mr
chairman,
that's
kind
of
a
a
quick
summary
of
the
cash
flow
out
of
the
school
capital.
Construction
account.
L
So,
mr
chairman,
one
of
one
of
the
challenges
that
I
have
found
having
been
on
this
committee
for
a
while
is
just
that,
it's
always
assumed
that
we're
just
talking
about
construction
and
we're
never
just
talking
about
construction.
You
know
we
we've
got
major
maintenance
monies
that
have
to
go
out,
and
so
that's
our
challenge.
L
We're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
newcomers
to
the
body
this
coming
year,
and
I
think
we
just
need
to
remember
to
help
them
understand
that
we're
not
just
talking
about
building
a
new
building
somewhere
we're
talking
about
all
the
money
that
has
to
go
out
to
take
care
of
the
ones
we've
already
got.
So.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,.
A
Tanya,
can
you
tell
me,
I
mean
we've
seen
this
before?
Have
we
not,
and
and
can
you
tell
me
what
the
is?
Is
there
any
substantial
differences
since
the
last
time
we
visited
this.
E
Mr
chairman,
you
have
seen
a
similar
bill
this
body
this
this
committee
took
it
up
last
year.
You'll
recall
that
last
year
was
a
bit
broader.
It
actually
eliminated
the
state
penitentiary
capital
construction
account
and
transferred
those
funds
which
would
have
been
approximately
40
million
to
the
school
capital
construction
account
at
the
last
meeting.
Your
direction
was
to
eliminate
that
particular
provision
and
only
tackle
the
automation
to
the
school
capital
construction
account
from
those
two
accounts
I
mentioned.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
it's
good
to
catch
up
on
that.
My
my
question
to
the
committee
is:
should
these
two
items
actually
be
separated
the
content,
the
the
transfer
of
funds
from
the
penitentiary
account
versus
the
the
rest
of
the
bill,
any
thoughts
on
trying
to
put
both
of
them
together
in
a
single
bill
I
mean
one
may
kill
the
other.
A
A
Are
we
are
we
good
senator
hutchins,
please.
M
M
I
kind
of
wanted
to
know
as
representative
jennings,
what
we're
trying
to
do
here,
and
you
can
tell
me
if
I
have
this
right
or
wrong
when
we
see
this
particular
transfer
in
the
budget,
the
body
is
making
a
decision.
Whether
we
want
to
do
make
these
transfers
or
not
every
year.
We
see
it.
Do
we
want
to
do
it,
don't
want
to
do
it?
If
I
have
you
right,
but
what
we're
trying
to
do
in
this
bill
is
make
these
transfers
automatic,
where
the
body
doesn't
really
have
a
say.
It
just
happens.
A
That
that,
in,
in
my
view,
that's
correct,
we
we
are
making
what
we
have
historically
done,
just
automatic
so
that
the
otter's
office
can
have
that
ability
for
the
cash
flow
issue.
And,
frankly,
you
know
we
do
need
these
funds
to
continue
on
it's
not
a
matter.
I
I
mean
we
could
we
could.
We
could,
I
guess,
micromanage,
every
dollar,
of
the
entire
budget.
A
If
we
wanted
to
do
so,
but
we
don't
there's
certain
items
that
we
know
we
are
going
to
spend
money
on
and,
since
you
know,
the
loss
of
the
cold
bonus
monies
and
we've
relied
now
on
these
new
sources
of
funds
for
continuing
our
funding
of
education,
certainly
of
the
facilities
through
the
school
capital
construction
account,
and
so
I
think
that
making
these
automatic
just
makes
perfect
sense
certainly
will
help
out
in
in
the
on
our
cash
flow
problems.
A
M
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
tanya.
The
follow-up
would
be
question.
How
have
we
historically
voted?
Is
it
just
we
yep,
that's
good.
Let's
do
it,
let's
do
it
or
has
there
been
some
adjustments
being
made
through
historically,
it's
kind
of
like
my
bank
account.
I
don't
want
an
overdraft.
I
don't
want
to
not
that
it
happens,
but
I
don't
want
money
automatically
going
from
one
place
to
another
without
mind,
knowing
what's
happening.
That's
where
I'm.
M
My
question
really
lies,
maybe
as
a
guardian
of
the
people's
liberty,
we
do
want
to
micromanage,
but
historically
have
we
been
doing
that
or
historically
have
we
just
allowed
whatever
they
want
to
transfer
by
voting
yes
and
now
we're
kind
of
wasting
our
time
if
we're
doing
it
every
year
or
every
two
years
saying
yes,
let's
just
go
ahead
and
do
it
is
that
what
I'm
hearing.
K
Yeah,
mr
chairman,
as
I
indicated
in
my
previous
comments,
the
state
royalties
used
to
just
automatically
be
deposited
in
the
school
capital.
Construction
account.
The
legislature
about
four
years
ago
chose
to
create
a
new
account
and
deposit
these
state
royalty
funds,
not
just
eight
million
dollars
annually,
but
one-third
of
the
state
royalties
on
school
lands,
and
so
those
would
have
just
sat
in
an
account
had
the
legislature
not
approve
or
transfer
those
to
the
school
capital.
Construction
account.
K
K
They
may
not
be
reviewed
in
detail
by
all
legislators,
but
the
joint
appropriations
committee
does
have
several
transfers,
not
just
for
these
two
accounts,
but
several
accounts
to
ensure
that
the
balances
in
the
budget
reserve
account
the
lsra
the
general
fund.
Several
other
accounts
are
are
adequate
to
to
meet
the
appropriation
needs.
K
K
Your
school
foundation
program
account
has
an
automatic
transfer
from
the
legislative
stabilization
reserve
account
to
ensure
at
the
end
of
each
fiscal
year,
there's
a
100
million
dollar
balance.
That's
not
voted
on
by
the
legislature
annually,
that's
a
codified
section
of
law,
and
so
I
could
rattle
off
a
few
more,
but
that
just
gives
you
an
example
of
two
automatic
transfers
for
for
funds
that
the
legislature
does
not
vote
on
annually
or
binanally.
A
So
this
wouldn't
be
any
different,
can
you
can
you
tell
me,
has
the
appropriations
committee
had
any
comment
on
on
this
at
all.
E
Mr
chairman,
the
appropriations
committee
is
looking
at
this
issue,
but
in
a
broader
context,
and
I'm
sure
representative
walters
could
speak
to
that
better
than
I
can.
But
my
understanding
is
in
the
event
that
this
committee
were
to
pass
this
legislation.
We
would
recommend
that
the
chairman
send
a
memo
to
the
joint
appropriations
committee
advising
them
of
this
bill.
K
Right,
mr
chairman,
just
to
add
on
to
that
a
little
bit
september.
12Th,
I
believe.
That's
monday,
the
joint
appropriations
committee
will
hear
from
staff
on
a
much
more
broader
concept.
Not
just
these
two
accounts
in
this
concept,
but
a
much
more
statewide
look
on
accounts
and
and
transfers,
and
so,
as
tanya
indicated,
it
would
be
appropriate
if
the
committee
does
take
action
on
this
bill
today
that
you
do
communicate
to
them
as
what
your
action
was
and
what
they
may
be
able
to
piggyback
on.
K
But
I
think
that
might
have
been
part
of
the
issue
last
year
is
the
communication
between
the
select
committee
and
the
appropriations
committee
wasn't
as
clear
on
what
committees
were
doing,
because
this
bill
was
actually
taken
up
by
the
house
appropriations
committee
last
year
and
I'm
not
sure
they
were
fully
aware
of
what
the
select
committee
undertook
during
the
interim.
In
related
to
the
similar
approach.
A
Okay,
thank
you
any
other
questions
or
comments.
Thank.
C
You,
mr
chairman,
I
really
support
this
bill.
I
might
make
a
slight
amendment
when
we
get
the
bill
moved
and
whatnot,
but
really
this
bill.
In
my
mind
it
it
increases
transparency,
because
we,
the
legislature,
are
going
to
approve
an
amount
of
money
to
spend
on
major
maintenance
and
on
new
construction
for
schools,
et
cetera,
and
that
money
always
comes
from
the
school
capital,
construction
account
and
so
having
all
of
these
various
sub
accounts
that,
after
we
have
said,
we
were
willing
to
spend
x
amount
on
major
maintenance
and
on
construction.
C
Now
we
have
to
go
back
to
all
these
sub
accounts
and
transfer
the
money
into
the
school
capital.
Construction
account
to
be
able
to
pay
our
bills
that
we
have
already
said.
We
want
to
pay
in
a
previous
action.
So
by
having
this
money
flow
direct
to
the
account,
everyone
knows
how
full
the
account
is.
How
much
is
there
and
everyone
can
then
look
back
and
say?
Okay,
if
there's
this
much
in
the
account
available,
there's
this
much
available
for
expenditure,
it
makes
it
a
lot
easier
to
track.
C
D
D
This
tries
to
remedy
that
previous
concern,
I
guess
we'll
say,
and
and
directs
it
back
to
how
it
previously
was
which
to
me
is
a
lot
more
direct
and
obvious
accounting.
Again,
you
can
disagree
with
or
agree
with,
the
funding
the
path
of
funding.
How
much
funding
goes
in
that's
a
good
subject
of
debate,
but
the
idea
that
we
have
to
have
it
in
an
intermediary
holding
account
with
the
same
name
on
it,
but
it's
titled.
D
Holding
account
that
can't
be
spent
honestly
just
seems
overly
complicated
and
bureaucratic,
and
I
don't
I
don't
see
the
objective
of
it.
I
think
this
helps
to
solve
that
one
other
point
realistically,
is
we
don't
even
know
what
we're
doing
with
the
sipa
at
this
point
in
time?
There's
basically
no
money
in
the
sipa.
I
think
there's
around
four
million
dollars
in
the
sipa
right
now,
based
on
some
reversions.
D
And
that
was
something
we
worked
in.
The
last
budget
was
the
idea
of
moving
things
out
of
the
sipa
for
us
to
have
a
temporary
holding
account
present
in
an
account
that
isn't
even
necessarily
going
to
continue
to
exist
moving
forward.
Once
again,
I
think
this
is
probably
a
clearer
approach
for
the
public
and
for
us
and
the
legislature
to
understand
where
the
money's
flowing.
B
Jennings,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
guess
my
question
would
be
either
for
lso
or
or
for
representative
walters.
B
E
This
is
a
much
more
limited,
a
targeted
solution
relative
only
to
schools,
capital
construction,
so
don't
know
that
it's
inconsistent
with
what
jc
will
be
taking
up
and,
as
you
know,
you
never
know
if
a
bill
is
going
to
pass
or
not
so
perhaps
their
bill
would
fail,
and
this
would
succeed.
D
A
D
A
You
senator
landon.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
to
the
representative,
I
think,
just
to
add
a
couple
of
thoughts
onto
what
the
senator
just
said.
I
think
I
think
we
all
recognize
that
it's
still
not
enough
in
that
account,
but
this
bill
just
simply
says:
let's
profile
it
where
we
know
that
we're
going
to
need
it,
you
know,
we've
got
major
maintenance
expenditures
of
150
to
200
million.
L
Every
time
we
come
down,
and
all
this
does
is
say,
let's
profile
it
there.
I
think
the
appropriations
committee
knows
where
it
comes
from.
We
know
where
it
comes
from,
but
it's
in
a
line
item
that
way
our
public
can
go
there
and
and
know
exactly
what
we've
got
in
the
school
capital.
Construction
account.
That's
what
I
like
about
it.
I
share
representative
walters
feelings
on
that.
I
I
think
it's
much
more
transparent,
so
thank
you.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
I'm
going
to
ask
before
we
take
a
motion
or
work
on
the
bill.
Is
there
any
one
out
in
the
public
that
want
to
comment
on
this
particular
bill?
A
Okay,
I'm
gonna
ask
for
comment
after
each
bill,
rather
than
wait
for
all
of
them,
so
anybody
online
karen
at
all,
okay,
so
we'll
close,
a
public
comment
on
lso0124
and
committee.
What's
your
pleasure.
A
Moved
and
secured
by
representative
walters
and
seconded
by
our
senator
lanton
any
comments,
questions.
Amendments
representative,
walters,
thank.
C
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
because
that
section
is
not
directly
related
to
school,
major
maintenance
or
school
capital
construction.
I
think
it
creates
a
little
bit
of
of
a
distraction
to
the
bill
to
where
I
think
it
detracts
from
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
with
the
other
two
components
of
this
bill,
and
so
I
think,
if
we
want
to
do
something
with
the
penitentiary
account
if
we
want
to
make
move
that
money
directly,
move
that
money
indirectly
or
anything
else,
it
should
be
a
standalone
discussion
and
not
tied
to
this
piece
of
legislation.
D
Just
a
question
you
know
I
remember
working
on
this
and
putting
this
in,
but
it
comes
down
to
in
the
absence
of
it.
Is
there
a
concern
about
ambiguity
of
order
of
operations,
which
I
think
was
one
of
the
original
motivating
factors
where
there
was
a
there's,
no
clear
order
of
operations
for
the
funding
I
mean
you,
you
do
have
the
phrase
or
as
much
thereof
as
is
available
for
many
unobligated
funds.
D
I
guess
the
question
then
is:
are
these
obligated
funds
if
we
have
them
obligated
above
and
it's
my
understanding
that
we
haven't
run
into
that
problem
directly,
because
funds
were
available
sufficient?
Is
that
that's
accurate.
K
D
D
E
Mr
chairman,
senator
rufus
it's
impossible
to
tell,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
legislative
counsel,
as
well
as
the
director
of
the
budget,
physical
division.
E
They
brought
this
to
our
attention
last
year
and
it
was
their
question
that
prompted
the
discussion
before
this
committee
last
year
and
to
your
point.
Yes,
it
is
an
order
of
operations.
Question
it's
not
presented
itself
previously.
We
believe
that
you
know
transfer
to
the
subject.
The
sub
major
maintenance
account
would
occur
prior
to
the
transfer
to
the
state
penitentiary.
Capital
construction
account,
but
it
is
not
clearly
delineated
in
statute.
B
A
Question
being
called,
could
we
have
a
roll
call,
please?
Mr
chair,
mr
chair?
Yes,
senator
hutchins,
please
thank.
M
You
very
much
just
just
quickly,
I
don't
know
if
matt
as
I
was,
writing
down
what
he
was
saying
if
he
gave
a
historical
if
he
gave
an
answer
on
my
question
on
the
historical
votes
on
this.
Do
we
typically
just
approve
this
or
not?
I
didn't.
I
didn't
get
an
answer.
At
least
I
didn't
get
it
written
down.
K
Mr
chairman
and
senator
hutchings
apologies,
if
I
didn't
answer
that
directly,
the
the
legislature
for
the
past
two
biennia
or
biennial
budgets
have
voted
to
approve
this.
These
transfers
from
the
school
lands,
mineral
royalties
account
and
the
sipa
through
the
budget
bill.
So
there's
a
section
300
budget
balancer
that
has
several
transfers,
and
so,
while
this
section
may
not
have
been
voted
on
directly,
the
budget
bill
itself
has
been,
and
it's
been
approved
by
the
legislature.
M
I'm
gonna
say
I
because
it's
gonna
go
through
appropriations
with
a
letter,
so
I'll
say
aye
for
now.
A
B
A
Up,
I
think
I
think,
per
our
staff
we're
going
to
be
writing
a
letter.
E
A
Yeah,
we'll
we'll
figure
it
out
later.
Let
me
I
I
will
I'll
discuss
with
the
coach
here.
E
The
direction
here
was
to
authorize
the
expenditure
of
major
maintenance
funds
to
address
building
elements
that
were
necessary
to
improve
the
delivery
of
education
recall
in
part.
This
discussion
surrounded
the
park
elementary
renovation
discussion,
and
so
with
that
I'll
go
ahead
and
walk
through
the
bill,
page
two
lines,
one
through
22
and
then
onto
page
just.
I
guess
just
that
page
page
two
lines,
one
through
twenty
two
and
then
2115
109,
which
is
the
major
maintenance
provisions
in
the
statute
and
specifically
the
definition
of
major
building
and
facility
repair
and
replacement.
E
E
This
is
the
substance
of
the
amendment
and
this
modifies
the
definition
of
major
maintenance
to
include
the
repair
and
replacement
of
complete
or
major
portions
of
a
school
building
to
improve
the
functionality
as
necessary
to
enable
districts
to
deliver
required
educational
programs,
and
I
would
note
this
language
deliver
required.
Educational
programs
is
utilized
in
other
locations,
entitled
21
chapter
15
governing
capital
construction
in
the
context
of
sort
of
the
larger
discussion
about
renovation
or
remodels,
or
new
construction.
E
A
Chairman,
I
I
do
have
one
question,
just
a
little
confusion
on
my
part.
It's
probably
just
me
being
confused,
but
on
line
18,
the
the
language
says
complete
or
major
portions.
A
E
Mr
truman,
this
language
is
actually
present.
If
you
look
above
on
lines,
nine
and
ten,
this
is
part
of
the
existing
definition
of
major
building
facility
and
repair
and
replacement.
So
these
are
stack.
Those
are
terms
that
the
school
facilities
department,
along
with
the
commission,
has
been
administering.
A
Okay,
mr
yes,
senator
rothfuss.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
So
yeah
I
see
the
structure
as
parallel
language
with
above
where
the
first
is
basically
to
continue
its
original
purpose
effectively,
and
the
second
concept
is
to
with
the
motivation
of
enabling
the
school
district
to
deliver
required
educational
programs.
So
it's
really
two
different
parallel
motor
structures
with
different
motivations
and
that's
the
change.
D
That's
consistent
with
the
second
half,
but
I'm
struggling
to
see
whether
our
verbs
above
complete
to
repair
or
replace
would
meet
that
it
almost
seems
like
we
would
need
a
reconfiguration
verb
or
something
along
those
lines
to
achieve
it.
So
what
are?
What
are
your
thoughts
on
that
tanya
and
matt,
and
others.
E
E
I
do
know
they
have
broad
rulemaking
authority.
As
we
all
know,
they've
changed
their
rules
relatively
recently,
but
perhaps
valerie
or
or
jerry
would
like
to
testify
about
that.
A
Thanks
personally,
I
think
you
have
a
valid
point
there.
Certainly
you
could
amend
in
a
comma.
L
Yeah,
I
just
I
appreciate
the
senator
bringing
that
up,
because
you
might
remember
one
of
the
prompts
was
this
whole
issue
of
structural
modification
that
made
common
sense,
but
we
were
being
prohibited
from
removing
a
wall
that
was
just
simply
in
the
way
or
dividing
a
an
area
like
the
senator
pointed
out.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
catch
that,
because
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
original
prompts
here.
So
thank
you.
E
Mr
chairman
senator-
and
I
am
remiss
I
apologize-
there
is
existing
language
in
2115
109
that
further
delineates
the
definition
of
major
building
facility
and
repair
and
replacement
that
does
re.
That
does
include
system
improvements,
which
means
the
repair,
replacement
or
upgrade
of
components
or
equipment
of
school
district
buildings,
including
structural
systems.
E
There
are
various
paragraphs,
a
through
c
that
further
delineate
what
qualifies
for
those
major
maintenance
expenditures
code.
Compliance
is
the
first.
The
second
are
site
improvements
and
then
the
last
is
system
improvements
and
there's
a
specific
delineation
for
structural
systems.
Under
that
I
apologize.
D
Senator
office,
you
know
one
other
concern
that
maybe
this
is
getting
at,
but
maybe
it's
not
that
I,
I
just
recall
a
great
anecdotal
of
a
parking
lot
for
the
new
high
school
in
laramie,
where
we
didn't
have
it
originally
funded.
There
was
a
desire
to
have
major
maintenance
used
to
have
another
parking
lot,
but
since
it
didn't
already
exist,
you
can't
use
major
maintenance
for
it.
D
L
D
Clever
always
so
so,
if
we
can
structure
this
in
such
a
way
that
it
just
bloody
makes
sense,
you
get
to
you,
get
to
do
things
like
that
and
and
again
getting
back
to
the
idea
of
some
reconfiguration
concepts.
I
don't
know
quite
how
you
do
that
that
might
be
outside
the
scope
of
this
legislation,
but
it's
another
one
that
has
come
up
over
the
years
are
those
well,
it
doesn't
exist,
so
you
can't
repair
it
type
discussions
that
that
we
have-
and
I
don't
know
how
to
work
around-
that.
D
E
Chairman,
I
think
the
language
as
proposed
addresses
this
issue
with
the
deletion
of
at
its
original
capacity
and
again,
paragraph
b
includes
site
improvements
and
specifically
articulates
parking
lots.
A
Okay
for
the
questions
comments
I'm
going
to
now,
since
we
don't
have
any
any
public
comment
on
this
bill.
A
I'm
assuming
nothing
online.
Okay,
all
right!
Public
comment
is
closed.
What's
your
pleasure,
okay,
senator
costa
moved
the
bill
seconded
by
representative
walters.
A
Yes,
representative
per
senator
landon.
L
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
appreciate
tanya
pointing
to
line
12.
that
does
help,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
that's
related
to
original
capacity.
L
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
our
districts
have
a
little
bit
of
flexibility
there.
That
may
or
may
not
be
related
to
any
capacity
issue.
Am
I
overthinking
this?
I
mean
I'm.
I
just
I'm
trying
to
make
sure
that
that
we
get
the
language
to
a
point
where
it
represents
our
desire
to
give
a
little
bit
more
flexibility
and
it
may
or
may
not
deal
with
capacity.
A
Mr
chairman,
it
does
make
sense.
I
I
believe
that
the
language
that
senator
ross
is
proposing
actually
actually
will
add
a
little
more
flexibility,
at
least
more
clarity.
In
my
mind,.
D
And
yeah,
I
do
want
to
make
sure
we
get
feedback
from
the
department
on
on
this
to
see
if
there
would
be
any
unintended
consequences,
particularly
if
we
mirror
the
language
up
on
lines
8
through
10,
which
I
think
would
be
appropriate,
but
the
concept
being,
for
example,
page
2
line
9,
where
it
says,
means
the
repair
or
replacement
of
changing
that
to
repair
comma
reconfiguration
or
replacement
of,
and
then
mirroring
identically
on
17
and
18.
So
it's
again
repair,
comma
reconfiguration
or
replacement
of.
A
Cost
seconded
okay,
so
we
have
an
amendment
on
the
floor.
Any
comments
representative
excuse
me:
senator
landon.
L
Well,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
so
now
I
flip
to
the
other
side
of
the
coin,
and-
and
I
just
you
know
I
let's
just
talk
this
through-
make
sure
we
don't
have
any
unintended
consequences.
I'm
looking
at
the
director
reconfiguration
that
I
don't
want
to
get
out
over
the
tops
of
our
skis
here
either,
but
I
think
this
addresses
one
of
the
concerns
that
the
former
chairman
ran
into
in
a
district.
L
D
Chairman
one
one
other
note
on
that
is
you
know
for
the
first
half,
the
existing
language
would
still
maintain
the
intended
use
so
for
its
original
intended
use,
so
you'd
be
reconfiguring,
but
still
for
its
original
intended
use,
as
is
typically
accomplished.
So
if
it's
an
educational
institution,
you're
reconfiguring
it
to
be
an
educational
institution,
you
don't
make
it
a
bus
bar
and
that
kind
of
thing,
so
you
still
have
you're
still
pretty
narrow.
D
For
that
part
and
then
for
the
new
language
on
line
16
through
21,
it
would
be
a
reconfiguration
with
the
purpose,
as
we
see
on
line
19
to
improve
the
functionality
of
a
building
or
facility
as
necessary
to
enable
the
school
district
to
deliver
required.
Educational
programs
you're
still
actually
pretty
narrow.
D
I
think
because
you
have
intent
on
both
points
of
either
not
changing
the
original
intent
or
having
a
change
of
intention,
but
it
has
to
be
to
deliver
required
educational
programs,
so
I
do
think
we
end
up
with
some
fairly
respectable
side
boards,
even
if
we
have
reconfiguration,
but
I
would
ask
if
the
department
wants
to
provide
a
comment
on
the
word
reconfiguration.
Maybe
we're
getting
ourselves
into
a
problem
there.
I
Mr
chair,
I
I
struggle
with
reconfiguration
and
those
things
as
well.
You
know,
if
you
go
back
to
the
conversation
that
we
had
about
pineview
and
and
what
it
would
be
resurrect
that
design
and
with
the
same
architect
and
the
cost.
Well,
if
the
rooms
were
800
square
feet,
each
the
classrooms
and
reconfiguration
due
to
new
programming
says
a
thousand
square
feet:
each
every
load-bearing
wall,
every
structural
and
everything
completely
changes
and
throws
those
plans
out
the
door
you
know,
and
so
that
would
have
killed
that
project
right
there.
I
He
meant
those
viable
and
other
ones.
So
when
I
hear
those
terms
and
they're
and
they're
they're
broad
in
their
sense-
and
I
understand
why
we'd
want
to
do
that-
to
give
the
district
the
flexibility
to
do
that,
I
think
you're
opening
a
door
that
as
long
as
this
stays
within
a
major
maintenance
bill.
If
you
can't
get
there
in
major
maintenance
money,
then
you
can't
move
all
25
walls
around
right.
So
it's
got
to
be
done
within
the
context
of
their
own
budget.
They
have
the
local
role
and
control
in
which
to
do
that.
K
A
Well,
you
know
to
me
it's
actually
more
clarifying
because
right
now
we're
just
talking
about
repair
or
replacement
of
the
major
portion
of
the
building
and
and
there's
there's
really
no
language.
That
says
you
can
reconfigure
it
either
repair
it
or
completely,
replace
it.
I
I
just
I
I
see
it
more
clarifying
than
it
is
making
it
broader.
A
L
So,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
so
to
the
director.
You
see
any
hurdles
with
respect
to
developing
rules
in
this
little
bit
of
language
that
we've
added.
I
D
You
know
one
of
the
realities
that
we
always
face
is.
Is
that
that
unintended
consequence,
but
I
think.
L
D
We
know
right
now
is
we
know
that
through
the
previous
language,
we've
had
some
unintended
consequences
of
being
overly
restrictive,
where
major
maintenance
can't
be
used
in
ways
that
we
would
like
it
to
be
used.
If
we
add
the
language
of
reconfiguration,
there
is
the
danger
of
that
being
too
broad,
but
again
we're
narrowing.
In
on
we
solve
the
problem.
D
I
think
we
effectively
solve
the
problem
that
that
leads
to
this,
which
is
these
circumstances
where
you,
you
have
a
room
that
is
not
appropriate,
educationally
that
you
could
make
appropriate
educationally
using
a
limited
amount
of
major
maintenance.
So
we
solve
that
problem
in
the
absence
of
better
language
which
may
be
out
there
and
I'm
welcome
of
it
if
it
occurs.
D
I
think
we
should
include
the
reconfiguration,
try
to
make
that
better
and
then,
if
it
does
turn
out
a
few
years
from
now
that
it's
too
broad
and
it's
being
used
in
ways
that
we
don't
like
well,
this
committee
is
still
going
to
be
kicking
around
and
and
we
can
come
back
and
figure
out
how
to
fix
it,
then
too,
but
I
I
know
that
we're
too
constrictive
and
we're
unable
to
achieve
some
of
the
objectives
that
seem
perfectly
rational,
obvious
and
reasonable.
Everyone
agrees
they're
great
solutions.
Nobody
ever
says
bad
idea.
A
I
agree
we
passed
this
out
of
out
of
this
committee.
Certainly
we'll
see
it
again
in
session
and
between
then
and
now
between
now
and
then
you
know
we'll
have
plenty
of
time
for
folks
to
to
think
about
anything
better.
So
any
further
comments
daniel
mr.
E
Chairman,
I
just
have
one
suggestion
I
can
well,
I
guess
a
question
and
then
a
suggestion.
There
are
other
places
within
this
statute
that
talk
about
major
building
and
facility
repair
and
replacement
the
title
of
the
statute,
the
definition
on
page
or
excuse
me
on
line
eight
in
the
new
language.
E
One
option
that
you
might
consider
is
under
see
paragraph
c,
which
reads
system
improvements,
means
the
repair,
replacement
or
upgrade
of
components
or
equipment
of
school
district
buildings,
including
the
structural
system.
You
could
put
reconfiguration
there
as
well
than
adding
it
repeatedly.
D
Yeah,
mr
chairman,
if
it's
okay
with
the
second,
let's
just
provide
the
staff
with
the
discretion
to
enable
this
concept,
without
necessarily
going
with
the
specific
wording,
because
that
I
think
tan
is
exactly
right,
and
I
do
note
that
I
it
should
be
online
eight
as
well.
So,
let's
see
where
would
you
put
it.
D
It's
explicitly
included
if
you
just
add
a
reconfiguration
as
a
site
improvement
that
rolls
up
into
it
and
that
probably
is
a
much
easier
solution
without
having
to
change
it
nine
times
so
yeah
so
I'll.
Just
amend
my
original
amendment
wording
if
it's
okay
with
a
second
to
provide
tanya
and
matt
with
the
discretion
to
to
do
it
better
than
I
suggested.
A
Are
we
okay
with
the
seconds?
Okay,
all
right,
so
question
on
the
amendment,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye,
those
opposed
okay.
So
that
amendment
has
asked
any
question
back
on
the
on
the
bill.
Draft.
A
M
Right
one
of
the
the
questions
I
had
and
yes
or
no,
it
seems,
like
you
guys,
are
really
concerned
about
this
bill.
Like
you
say
the
unattended
consequences,
is
it
possible
to
hold
it
back,
get
all
those
questions
answered,
so
the
people
that
seem
to
be
the
senators
that
seem
to
be
concerned
can
be
very
confident
that
this
is
the
way
to
go,
or
do
you
want
to
just
rush
it
through
and
and
get
it
voted
on
today,.
A
A
D
Mr
chairman,
that
there
is
no
reason
for
us
not
to
just
take
a
look
at
it,
get
the
updated
language,
amend
it
in
and
then
pass
it
as
a
clean
bill,
and
in
that
way,
at
the
next
meeting,
I
don't
see
a
problem
with
that.
I'm
comfortable
either
way
honestly,
because
I
I
do
think
that
getting
the
intent
across
is
no
problem,
but
if
the
senator
is
interested
in
in
seeing
it
the
the
final
form
before
voting
on
it.
E
Mr
chairman
is
completely
the
prerogative
of
the
committee.
You
can
certainly
vote
on
it
as
amended
with
the
change
to
paragraph
c.
We
did
that
yesterday
with
a
joint
education
bill.
I
think
it's
fairly
straightforward
the
directive
to
staff
on
that
being
said,
if
you'd
like
to
see
it
at
the
next
meeting,
we'll
certainly
put
it
on
the
agenda.
A
L
Chairman,
thank
you
to
the
senator
having
been
the
one
to
bring
up
any
unintended
consequences.
I
that
was
merely
for
us
to
to
talk
it
through
and
have
a
little
bit
of
conversation
about
the
language
that
that
we
were
amending
into
the
bill,
I'm
perfectly
comfortable
with
where
the
bill
is
now
glad
to
vote
on.
L
It
today
would
be
glad
to
vote
on
the
bill
in
october,
but
just
wanted
to
make
sure
the
senator
knew
I'm
good,
but
I
think
the
caution
is
always,
let's
make
sure
we
talk
it
through
and
and
address
every
angle.
So
thank
you.
A
E
A
E
So
under
2115
109,
which
is
in
your
bill,
there
are
three
additional
categories:
code,
compliance
site,
improvements
and
system
improvements
and
pursuant
to
senator
rothfuss,
this
is
rothfuss
direction.
It
will
read
system
improvements,
mean
the
repair,
comma
replacement,
comma
reconfiguration
or
upgrade
of
components
or
equipment
of
school
district
buildings,
including
and
there's
a
list
there
of
eight
items,
one
of
which
is
structural
systems.
B
A
That
perfectly
clear
to
me
yeah,
it
seems
logical.
So,
let's,
let's
do
that.
Let's
we've
already
passed
it
that
amendment
we're
on
the
bill,
I
think
we'll
take
a
question,
has
been
called
we'll.
Take
a
roll
call
today.
M
H
B
So
it
is
six.
I
two
no
and
two
excused.
E
Mr
chairman,
the
third
and
final
bill
that
you
requested
staff
draft
for
purposes
of
this
meeting
was
to
authorize
or
allow
the
legislature
to
appropriate
a
single
sum
for
design
and
construction.
What
I
would
note
before
I
walk
the
bill
is
that
this
does
not
change
the
statutory
directives.
With
regard
to
the
commission's
budget
presentation
to
this
body,
it
also
doesn't
change
the
provisions
dealing
with
the
reporting
requirements
in
the
event
that
they
do
deviate
from
the
budget
submitted
to
this
committee.
E
E
It's
an
elimination
of
the
language
and
recommended
by
the
select
committee
on
school
facilities
and
that
language
is
necessary.
It
needs
to
be
deleted
because
you
can
go
it.
Pursuant
to
this
bill
draft,
this
commission
committee
will
be
able
to
make
recommendations
to
the
legislature
for
a
single
sum
appropriation
for
design
and
construction.
E
E
Again,
it's
a
conforming
amendment
on
lines
10
through
13,
as
well
as
the
additional
language
which
provides
that
shall
separately
identify
amounts
for
design
moving
on
lines
13.
This
deletes
the
word
appropriation
and
working
this
language.
It's
evident
that
there
was
sort
of
a
commingling
of
terms
in
this
particular
section,
as
well
as
in
2011,
301
and
so
really
in
preparing
this
draft
attempted
to
delineate
the
difference
between
an
appropriation
and
an
expenditure
by
the
by
the
commission.
E
Moving
on
the
substance
of
the
amendment
and
the
request
at
the
bottom
of
page,
two
lines:
22
and
on
to
page
three
lines,
one
and
two:
this
is
a
very
straightforward
sentence
that
allows
this
the
legislature
to
make
one
appropriation
for
both
design
and
construction
phases.
E
This
is
the
statute
governing
this.
Can
this
the
commission,
as
well
as
this
body
and
you'll
note
on
line
16,
there's
a
deletion
of
such
it's
just
unnecessary
and
confusing,
and
then
moving
on
to
lines
17
through
19.
This
clarifies
that
the
commission
will
still
be
required
to
report
any
transfer
of
funds
between
projects,
regardless
of
whether
the
legislature
appropriates
a
single
sum
for
design
and
construction,
and
the
effective
date
of
this
bill
is
july,
1st
of
2023,
and
that
can
be
found
on
page
four
line.
Two.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
I'm
I'm
generally
as
I'm
going
through
this.
I
think
I'm
in
agreement
with
all
of
the
new
parts
that
we're
putting
in,
but
I'm
what
concerns
me
is
lines.
Five
and
six
that
have
statutorily
been
this
committee's
obligation
or
oversight,
and
I'm
just
curious.
What's
the
rationale
that
we
want
to
remove
ourselves
from
you
know
being
in
concert
with
the
commission.
E
Mr
chairman
representative,
this
provision
on
lines.
Five
and
six
doesn't
hamstring,
this
committee
or
the
legislature.
It
eliminates
the
requirement
that
the
select
committee
appropriate
appropriate
as
one-to-one
with
the
commission's
budget,
which
will
identify
each
project
by
planning,
design
and
construction
that
language
and
recommended
by
the
select
committee
on
school
facilities.
B
Mr
chairman,
being
the
new
guy,
not
not
understanding
this
easily,
but
it
sure
looks
to
me
like
it
seems
like
that.
There's
a
stronger
position
if,
if
this
is
recommended
by
the
select
committee,
also
in
concert
with
the
commission,
but
by
striking
that
it
seems
like
that,
it's
giving
more
authority
to
the
commission
to
do
this
more
unilaterally.
E
By
november
1st
each
year
to
prepare
and
submit
a
budget
recommendation
based
upon
the
information
reported
by
the
commission
and
the
state
construction
department,
addressing
addressing
statewide
building
and
facility
needs
to
the
joint
appropriations
committee
and
the
governor,
it
does
not
change
your
authority.
It
only
clarifies
that
when
you
make
that
recommendation,
you
are
not
required
to
do
it
with
a
design
amount,
a
construction
amount
and
a
planning
amount.
D
D
This
committee
is
still
the
instrumental
step
between
the
commission
recommendations,
department,
recommendations
and
moving
forward
moving
it
on
to
the
joint
appropriations
committee,
with
or
without
the
specific
language.
D
But
we
can
now
aggregate
those
by
removing
that
before
we
forward
them
on
as
the
next
step
to
the
appropriations
committee
through
the
budget,
which
is
essentially
what
we're
looking
for.
So
we
don't
have
to
have
what
we've
seen
in
the
past,
which
is
we.
We
have
the
design
funds
of
the
planning
and
design
funds
going
through
and
then
they're
isolated
from
the
construction
funds,
which
was
what
we're
seeing
in
pine
view
and
what
we
saw
in
slade
and
what
we
saw
in
some
of
the
other
schools
that
we've
had
to
remedy
so
yeah.
D
A
Okay,
any
further
questions
comments.
A
Okay
hearing
none
from
the
committee
I'd
like
to
open
this
up
to
any
public
comment.
Does
anybody
wish
to
address
this
genie?
Please
come
forward.
B
B
A
Thank
you
for
your
comment
jeanine.
I
I
that
language
to
me
it
shouldn't
be
the
exception.
I
agree.
However,
I
I
don't
take
any
issue
with
the
language
because
I
believe
the
department
will
just
do
what's
best
for
the
project
and
for
but
you
know
anybody
have
any
comments
on
on
that
thought.
L
Mr
chairman,
I
appreciate
ms
teske's
thoughts.
I
you
know.
I
think
this
gives
us
a
nice
starting
point
and
a
nice
option
which
we
really
have
not
had
before
and
I
think
quite
honestly,
I
I
like
the
flexibility
of
being
able,
as
a
select
committee,
to
recommend
whether
or
not
hey
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
budget
capability,
this
biennium.
So
let's
at
least
get
started
on
these
projects.
I
think
we
still
might
want
to
be
able
to
do
that,
even
though
we
always
run
that
risk
of
truncating
and
shelving
and
whatever.
L
But
this
also
now
gives
us
the
option
to
say
you
know
what,
if
we're
gonna
build
the
ten
sleep
school,
let's
build
it.
Let's,
let's
take
that
to
the
appropriations
committee
and
make
that
recommendation
so
that
we
are
seamless
and
we
don't
have
to
stand
down
waiting
for
the
planning
money
to
come
after
design.
E
E
D
E
A
Agreed,
thank
you
and
frankly,
as
I
mentioned,
I
don't
have
any
issues
with
it.
I
think
it's
actually
clarifying
so
okay,
any
other
public
testimony
anything
online,
no
hands
up.
Okay,
great
committee:
what's
your
pleasure,
senator
landon
moved
the
bill
representative
walters
seconded
committee.
Any
amendments
that
you
might
want
to
consider.
H
So
I'm
wondering
if
we
were
to
put
it
in
such
words
as
this
subjection
allows
the
single
appropriation
or
to
break
it
into
phases,
something
where
people.
B
H
B
A
Word
tanya
would
would
language
something
rather
than
nothing
in
the
subsequent
shall
prohibit.
Would
language
like
the
intent
of
this
subsection
is
to
encourage
the
legislature
making
a
single
appropriation
when
possible
or
something
more
positive,
rather
than
shall
prohibit.
E
Mr
chairman,
generally
speaking
in
drafting,
we
don't
talk
about
legislative
intent,
it's
the
directive
and,
as
I
understood
the
drafting
directions,
it
was
to
provide
the
ability
for
this
committee
to
make
a
single
appropriation,
but
not
restrict
them
to
only
making
a
single
appropriation.
A
D
Senator
rothfuss
yeah
thank
you,
mr
minute,
and
I
I
don't
think
we
should
provide
that
intent
and
buying
fuji.
Honestly,
I'm
I'm
it's
disappointing
to
see
something
that
specifically
guides
how
we
shall,
which
is
what
we
had
in
five
and
six
in
the
first
place,
which
tells
us
how
we
shall
prepare
things
we
shouldn't
have
that
in
statute.
It
should
really
be
up
to
the
legislators
sitting
on
this
committee
at
whatever
time
they
want
to
do
it
and
if
they
decide
that
we
were
wrong
and
we
and
they
they
want
to
disaggregate
it.
D
I
think
that's
up
to
them.
Hopefully
we'll
remember
you
know,
say
that
there'll
be
enough.
People
sticking
around
to
remember
why
we're
doing
this
and
and
then
and
then
do
it
in
this
better
way
moving
forward.
But
I
I
do
think
that
it's
more
appropriate
for
us
to
make
it
clear
that
we're
decoupling
and
that
it's
up
to
this
select
committee
to
put
together
the
original
budget
recommendation
and
as
senator
landon
mentioned.
D
D
So
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
take
the
tethers
off
and
then
lead
it
to
this
committee's
judgment
as
to
whether
or
not
it's
appropriate
for
any
given
project
to
couple
the
two
or
not,
and
as
ms
haitrek
noted
this
makes
it
very
clear
that
nothing
shall
prohibit
is
the
appropriate
way
to
not
have
intent
there.
So
I
think
we're
in
good
shape.
A
Senator
thanks
for
your
wise
counsel
and
ms
hatrick
for
years
as
well.
Okay,
so,
did
I
answer
your
question
all
right,
yeah,
okay,
any
other
comments,
questions,
okay,
which
could
we
have
a
roll
call.
Please.
B
I
believe
she's
giving
me
a
thumbs
up:
okay,
senator
cost
hi
senator
landon,
senator
rothfuss
aye
representative
banks,
aye
representative
harshman,
is
excused
representative
jennings
representative
walters.
I
A
All
right
so
we'll
forward
that
one
on
and
again
I'll
get
with
the
co-chair
and
we'll
decide
where,
where
it
will
go
so
that
wraps
up
our
morning
session
today
after
lunch,
we'll
be
taking
up
the
school
facilities
commission's
annual
report
and
the
supplemental
budget
request.
A
So
let's
be
back
here,
we've
got
scheduled
one
hour
for
lunch,
so
let's
be
back
at
1
15..
Okay,
thank
you.