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A
Thank
you
we're
back
from
lunch
day,
two
of
the
school
finance
recalibration
select
committee,
and
we
were
in
the
midst
of
taking
public
comment
on
bill
draft
21,
lso-0165
working
draft
0.5
erin.
Who
else
do
we
have
to
join
us
here?.
A
A
A
Welcome
and
although
you're
known
to
all
go
ahead
and
introduce
yourself
and
and
your
affiliation
position.
C
C
His
first
was
what
best
represents
our
education
today,
the
evidence-based
model
or
the
legislative
model.
Certainly,
I
would
have
to
say
the
legislative
model,
because
that's
the
one
we've
been
using
for
many
years
and
we've
become
comfortable
with
that
and
the
districts
effectively
use
that
model.
C
C
I
believe
there's
enough
data
in
wyoming
that
could
be
looked
at
to
make
an
informed
decision
on
funding
virtual
schools
going
forward
in
the
future.
C
I
also
hope
that
the
cuts
are
rolled
in
over
a
three
to
five
year
period
and
I
would
prefer
a
five
year
period
because
that
sets
into
the
next
recalibration
process
and
secondly,
I'm
looking
forward
to
your
conversation
this
afternoon
about
revenue,
that's
attached
to
the
bill,
and
hopefully
there
will
be
a
discussion
about
that.
And,
lastly,
I'd
like
to
share
a
story
about
education
leaders,
making
decisions
and
senator
cost
will
know
this
story.
C
C
The
time
that
I
was
in
pal,
our
board
themselves
decided
that
they
were
going
to
start
visiting
schools,
because
the
conversations
that
we
would
have
during
board
meetings
were
the
same.
They
would
assume
or
wonder.
What's
going
on
in
schools-
and
I
said
the
best
way
to
find
out
is
to
visit
schools,
and
so
our
board
adopted
a
school
each
year,
each
board
member
and
at
each
monthly
board
meeting
they
gave
a
report
out
on
their
school.
C
This
was
a
little
tentative
to
start
with.
There
was
some
hesitation
by
principals
about
having
board
members
in
their
schools
frequently,
but
I
will
tell
you
over
a
very
short
period
of
time.
It
became
one
of
the
most
positive
positive
aspects
of
our
board
meetings.
Each
month,
the
board
members
would
compete
with
each
other
to
tell
each
other.
What
great
things
were
happening
in
the
classrooms
in
their
schools?
C
So
my
challenge
to
you
and
my
ask
of
you
is
you
still
have
plenty
of
time,
even
in
times
of
covid,
but
when
you're
making
decisions
about
the
future
of
the
children
in
wyoming.
I
ask
that
you
visit
as
many
schools
as
you
can
and
watch
the
children
in
their
learning
environment,
and
that
will
help
you
inform
your
decisions.
A
D
Yeah.
Thank
you,
mr
co-chairman.
I
appreciate
those
comments
and
certainly
there's
no
way
to
understand
or
appreciate
better.
The
job
is
done
by
our
our
schools
and
than
going
to
a
school,
whether
it
be
a
small
school
or
a
larger
school
like
casper
or
cheyenne.
The
question
I
have
and
what
I've
tried
to
do
as
well
is,
is
look
at
regional
schools
in
our
area
and
I
spent
time
in
arizona
schools.
D
I
spent
time
in
south
dakota
in
idaho
a
little
bit
in
utah
never
did
get
to
montana,
and
when
I
look
at
the
schools
there-
and
this
is
just
from
a
yeoman's
point
of
view-
and
certainly
the
the
quality
of
our
schools
is
just
it's
just
amazing-
how
much
better
our
schools
are
in
terms
of
the
what
they've
done
and
what
we've
been
able
to
do
in
building
wyoming
thanks
to
coley's,
bonus
and
other
minerals.
D
D
What's
your
take
in
terms
of
when
you
walk
in,
feel
the
flavor
of
the
school,
the
physical
plan
itself,
but
also
of
just
the
way
the
just
what's
going
on,
and
the
reaction
and
the
results.
C
C
In
my
professional
opinion,
I
believe
it
doesn't
take
me
long
to
find
out
the
culture
and
climate
of
a
school
and
whether
they're
centered
on
what's
best
for
children
and
I'm
not
being
negative
here,
but
the
hierarchy
is
what's
best
for
children
and
the
adults
in
the
building
comes
second,
and
I
don't
think
it
takes
me
long
because
of
the
the
time
that
I've
spent
there
to
determine
whether
that
school
is
moving
in
the
right
direction.
As
far
as
culture
and
climate.
E
Mr
chairman,
thank
you.
Kevin
welcome,
good
to
see
you.
Thank
you.
Just
a
couple
questions
one
and
they're
kind
of
related.
One
is
on
flexibility.
You
know
what
other
tools
could
we
do
to
provide
the
district's
flexibility
as
we
move
through?
I
know
the
bought
grant
is
a
is
a
huge
item,
but
we
talked
about
reserves
and
and
raising
you
know,
raising
that
percentage
on
reserves,
and
yet
you
know
at
the
same
time
I've
heard
pushback
on
that
that
districts
could
use
that
money
to
to
do
capital
construction.
E
E
Can
you
give
us
some
suggestions
on
how
we
could
craft
language,
maybe
for
a
period
of
time
to
ensure
that
you
guys
don't
move
money
from
your
reserves
to
capitol
construction?
You
know
the
worst
thing
in
the
world.
Is
we
raise
this
cap
or
raise
this
reserve?
Somebody
goes
out
and
builds
a
swimming
pool
right
and
then,
and
then
it
comes
down
on.
We
told
you
this
is
what
had
happened.
So
you
know:
what
can
we
do?
C
Co-Chairman
kinski
senator
summers,
I
think
that's
a
little
complex
and-
and
I
would
say
that
the
conversations
that
I
have
had
with
many
people
over
increasing
the
reserves
there
are.
There
are
more
than
one
story,
it's
certainly
supported
by
the
school
districts.
I
would
say,
in
my
opinion
that
it
should
be
a
short
term.
C
I
I'm
hoping
that
things,
even
even
the
cuts
that
are
being
discussed
are
short
term
and
that
in
three
to
five
years
we
can
turn
things
around
and-
and
I
think
that
there's
a
possibility
that
there
could
be
language
placed
in
in
in
the
legislation
increasing
that
it
needs
to
be
spent
in
the
general
fund
and
I'm
not
a
business
manager.
C
E
Mr
chairman
and
and
kevin
you're,
a
sharp
guy
and
I've
always
appreciated
you
over
the
many
years
that
you
and
I
have
worked
together.
You
know
in
these
seats
and
so
I'm
going
to
put
that
task
for
you
to
do
a
little
homework
for
me.
E
I
rarely
get
to
do
that
of
an
educator
right.
It
was
always
the
other
way
around,
so
you
know
think
about
that.
But
what?
But
what
we've
heard
is
that
if
we,
if
we
put
it
in
the
general
fund,
then
it
could
be
taken
out
of
the
general
fund
under
your
current
laws
and
then
move
to
cap
on.
So
you
you
see
if
you
can
figure
out
a
mousetrap
for
that.
E
C
E
Mr
chairman,
it's
an
unlimited
word
limit,
so
I
think
write
all
you
want.
I
can
only
read
about
a
hundred
words.
F
F
How
would
they
have
money
to
be
able
to
put
into
their
reserve
budget
if
they
don't
have
money
for
other
things?
That's
where
I'm
running
into
a
problem
if
we
upped
it
from
15
to
20
or
25,
whatever
where's
that
money
going
to
come
from
if
the
budgets
are
as
tight
as
everybody's
saying
I
just.
Can
you
help
me
out.
C
C
I
could
say
when
you
and
I
worked
together-
that
there
were
times
where
we've
we've
had
meetings.
You
said
in
them
where
we
were
trying
to
cut
millions
out
of
our
budget
and
pal,
and
they
were
you
know
the
areas
that
we
could
cut
and-
and
we
certainly
would
always
start
with
non-personnel,
not
necessarily
non-personnel.
C
But
what
I
would
say
about
the
people
working
reserves
now
is:
I
think
that,
under
the
current
funding
formula,
there's
a
potential
for
some
districts
to
have
reserves,
probably
not
going
forward.
That's
what
I'm
saying
is.
I
think
it's
a
short-term
fix,
there's
an
opportunity
this
this
year
in
their
current
operating
budget,
that
they
might
be
able
to
save
some
reserves
by
making
some
difficult
decisions
at
even
this
year,
as
we
would
start
working
our
budget
in
february
and
march
in
powell.
C
So
I
think
the
opportunity
is
now
certainly
wouldn't
be
next
year
if
they
received
a
hundred
million
in
cuts
it
and
I'm
not
I'm
not
being
negative
about
the
cuts.
I
want
to
get
you
I'm
just
saying
that
changes
the
picture
next
year
about
reserves.
G
Yeah,
mr
chairman,
just
a
follow-up
on
that
kevin.
So,
given
the
scenario
that
you
just
laid
out,
the
fact
that
it
would
require
legislation
to
do
that,
you
know
the
very
earliest
the
probability
that
that
could
occur,
assuming
that
it
was
signed
into
laws,
probably
sometime
in
april.
So
you
know
you're
into
the
new
fiscal
year
july.
1St
is,
would
that
be
sufficient
time?
G
C
C
C
But
I
would
say
back
in
the
day
what
we
would
sometimes
do
is
early
on.
In
the
spring
we
would
shut
down
accounts
for
people,
saying
we're
getting
ready
to
finalize
work
through
our
last
few
months
of
this
budget
and
prepare
for
the
next
budget,
and
we
would
shut
down
accounts
and
and
normally
from
then
on
any
large
account
numbers
would
have
to
come
through
myself
through
the
business
manager,
not
necessarily
that
I
approve
every
day
every
single
line
item
that
was
being
spent.
C
So
we
really
tightened
our
spending
late
in
the
year
to
work
on
our
reserves
and
then
through
even
through
the
month
of
june.
We
worked
on
that
to
look
at
our
spending
and
looking
in
the
future,
even
going
into
the
next
year
saying
if
insurance
goes
up
four
percent.
What
does
that
look
like
to
our
budget
for
the
next
year?
C
So
that's
in
the
the
components
of
the
model
that
would
specifically
be
looking
at
and
I'm
just
gonna
say
in
general
terms,
it
would
be
supplies
and
equipment
budget,
it
wouldn't
be
personnel
budget
and,
lastly,
about
your
or
second
question,
maybe
not,
lastly,
reserves
and
the
rationale.
C
It
is,
I
was
wondering
the
same
thing
that
you
were
listening
this
morning,
that
if
districts
were
paid
monthly,
would
this
still
be
an
issue
then,
and
so
I
think
that's
been
discussed
in
the
past
about
paying
districts
monthly.
C
I
we
would
have
to
talk
to
people
like
jed,
cicarelli
or
et
cetera,
to
really
know
the
ins
and
outs
of
that,
even
as
a
superintendent.
I
I
didn't
know
that
cash
flow
as
well
as
probably
I
should
should
have
the
other
thing.
I
want
to
talk
about
reserves.
C
The
first
district
that
I
was
superintendent
in,
we
didn't
have
any
so
depending
on
where
you're
at
and
what
has
happened
in
previous
years.
I
was
a
superintendent
in
bighorn
one,
and
certainly
they
have
changed
immensely
since
I
was
superintendent
in
there,
but
I
was
trying
to
squeak
through
a
three
to
five
percent
reserve
every
year
that
I
was
there
and
I
didn't
ever
get
it
done.
D
C
Chairman
kinski
senator
beebow,
I
will
make
some
broad
statements.
I've
been
working
with
districts
since
the
day
that
they
were
shut
down
in
march.
I've
also
worked
closely
with
the
department
of
ed
and
in
general
terms,
that
money
has
to
be
spent
on
things
that
weren't
budgeted
during
the
time
that
from
the
cove
had
started
through
december
30th
of
this
year.
So
it's
non-budgeted
items
most
of
it
is
went
through
for
technology,
equipment
and
infrastructure
to
reach
students
at
home.
So
there's
been
many.
C
Many
types
of
devices
purchased
jet
packs
sent
home
for
children
so
that
they
can
get
internet.
The
districts
are
paying
the
monthly
fee
for
those
and
then
there's
been
added
costs
for
cleaning
supplies
and
different
things
in
that
area.
Those
have
been
purchased
with
that
money
and
in
some
instances,
additional
personnel
and
hours
of
existing
personnel,
I
believe,
have
been
approved
if,
if
the
district
can
show
that
they're
used
specifically
for
covet
related
expenses,.
A
Thank
you
any
further
questions
for
kevin
all
right.
Seeing
none
thanks
thanks
kevin
for
journeying
to
the
internet
to
be
with
us
today,.
C
I
finished
with
one
comment:
I'd
invite.
A
C
All
I
I
still
invite
you
all.
Even
in
times
of
covid,
I
have
reached
out
to
a
couple
of
superintendents
and
they
say
anyone
is
welcome.
Any
legislator,
especially
recalibration
committee
members,
are
welcome
into
their
schools.
You
just
have
to
follow
the
safety
protocols
like
everyone
else
and
lastly,
because
I
have
been
doing
this
for
20
years.
I
thank
you
for
your
time
and
efforts
all
right.
Thank.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
brian
farmer,
with
wyoming
school
boards
association,
and
just
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
patience
over
these
last
couple
of
days
as
you've
taken
public
comment
and
heard
concerns
and
heard
thoughts
from
stakeholders
within
this
process.
H
I
do
want
to
go
back
to
a
comment
that
co-chairman
summers
had
yesterday
and
I
think
it's
very
relevant
to
the
bill.
That's
before
you
today
we
were
talking
about
different
issues,
different
concerns
that
stakeholders
had
with
the
bill
and
co-chairman
summers
said.
All
of
these
conversations
that
you
want
to
happen
will
happen.
The
goal
is
for
us
to
have
a
framework
to
talk
about
it
and
and
mr
chairman,
I
believe
that
the
bill
that's
before
you
does
that.
H
Certainly,
there
are
pieces
that
I
would
like
to
talk
about
pieces,
perhaps
about
salaries
and
and
looking
what
the
consultant
said,
and
I
understand
that
there
are
pieces
that
others
would
like
to
talk
about
pieces
here
and
there.
But
I
do
think
that
when
we
talk
about
those
pieces
that
it's
important
to
keep
that
model
in
mind
because
oftentimes
there
are
balancers.
H
If
we
talk
about
one
piece,
there's
a
balancer
to
that
somewhere
else,
and
so
I
look
forward
to
that
conversation
and
that
process
as
this
bill
moves
its
way
through.
I
hope
that
you
do
pass
this
bill
and
it
becomes
the
framework
for
a
discussion
between
now
and
through
your
session.
H
It's
unique
experience
borne
by
the
characteristic
of
the
school
district
and
the
community
that
it's
in,
and
so
sometimes
you
may
hear
from
a
school
district
that
this
or
that
might
be
a
solution,
and
I
think
that's
that's
actually
good
news
that
our
model
offers
us
that
kind
of
flexibility
that
our
different
communities
have
different
solutions
here
and
there
and
and
that
block
grant
nature
that
flexibility
within
the
model
does
allow
us
to
be
responsive
to
the
needs
of
the
community.
Now
that
certainly
does
not
mean
that
things
are
willy-nilly
and
districts.
H
Just
do
anything
they
want.
You
look
at
that
kuru
report
every
year
and
you
see
that
we
are
in
excess
of
90
compliant
with
the
model,
so
districts
really
are
by
and
large
doing
what
the
model
says
and
there
are
places
where
they're
different
there's,
no
doubt
about
that.
There
are
places
where
there
there
are
differences
and
that
allows
districts
to
be
responsive
to
different
conditions
and
different
needs.
H
Mr
chairman,
I'd
like
to
point
to
a
letter
that
I
sent
to
you
last
evening
as
the
select
committee
on
school
finance
recalibration
and
the
the
memo.
The
point
of
the
memo
was
to
share
with
you
the
resolution
passed
by
the
delegate
assembly
of
the
wyoming
school
boards
association
in
favor
of
a
one
penny
sales
tax
for
education,
but
I
think
that
the
discussion
is
broader
than
just
support
for
a
a
revenue
measure.
The
discussion
really
goes
back
to
that
white
paper.
H
That
has
really
been
the
framework
for
discussions
about
a
school
funding
deficit
for
the
last
five
years.
This
is
not
new
stuff.
This
is
stuff
that
we've
been
talking
about
in
districts
and
in
the
legislature
and
in
the
state
of
wyoming
for
the
last
five
years,
and
when
we
talked
about
a
looming
concern
a
looming
problem,
the
legislature
set
about
saying.
So
how
can
we
solve
this
and
and
put
together
really
a
good
five-point
plan?
And
in
that
good
five-point
plan,
there
were
pieces
that
go
towards
solving
the
problem
reductions.
H
The
legislature
has
made
reductions
to
the
model
and
that's
something
that
you're
continuing
to
talk
about.
So
that's
a
part
of
the
five-point
plan.
Savings
you've
talked
about
use
of
savings,
whether
that
is
dedicated
savings
or
the
use
of
the
legislative
stabilization
reserve
account
to
cover
shortfalls.
H
Savings
has
become
a
part
of
the
plan
to
solve
that
budget
deficit
that
that
revenue,
structural
deficit
you've
talked
about
ways
of
using
existing
streams
changes
in
in
in
current
revenue.
Things
like
that
eight
million
dollar
cap
on
trust
royalties,
increasing
that
to
allow
up
to
33
percent
to
flow
to
schools.
H
You've
talked
about
spending
policies.
In
the
last
couple
of
sessions,
you've
made
a
number
of
decisions
regarding
spending
policies
that
have
been
a
part
of
the
solution
and
truly
the
the
fifth
part.
The
missing
piece
is
the
revenue
piece,
that's
the
piece
that
has
not
yet
been
addressed,
and
that's
the
part
that
we
wanted
to
share
with
you
now.
I
understand
that
may
not
be
something
that
you
resolve
today.
H
That
may
be
something
that's
a
part
of
that
continued
conversation
and
we'll
talk
about
that
as
we
move
forward
towards
session
and
during
session
and
we'll
talk
about
whether
or
not
that
can
can
be
a
part
of
it.
But
the
reason,
mr
chairman,
that
we
came
up
with
this
was
was
not
out
of
the
blue.
H
The
reason
that
the
school
boards
association
decided
to
take
a
stand
and
and
be
behind
a
1
sales
tax
was
because
the
co-chairs
of
this
committee
wrote
letters
to
chairman
of
each
of
the
school
boards
in
wyoming
school
districts
and
said
we
would
like
to
know
school
board
what
the
cuts
would
look
like
if
you
were
to
bear
the
deficit
by
cuts
alone,
and
many
of
our
districts
wrote
letters
back
to
you
and,
and
they
helped
you
to
get
a
picture.
H
Talk
about
what
it
would
look
like
and
so
districts
did
that
and
they
shared
those
letters
with
you,
and
I
really
do
hope
that
you're
able
to
share
those
letters
on
the
lso
website
to
make
them
available
to
the
public.
H
But
I
think
those
gave
good
responses
and-
and
the
other
thing
you
asked
for-
was
not
just
the
the
impact
of
cuts.
But
what
would
other
solutions
to
the
problem
look
like
and
that's
where
the
discussion
about
revenue
came
from
when
you
said
what
would
be
some
solutions
of
how
the
committee
might
address
this?
H
Our
conversations
with
our
public
suggested
that
that
may
be
a
part
of
the
response,
and
so,
mr
chairman,
I
I
commend
you
for
the
work
that's
been
done.
I
know
that
there
is
work
yet
to
be
done,
and
I
do
think
that,
as
we
think
about
the
spending
on
education
and
the
difference
in
spending
over
time.
Mr
chairman,
there
really
are
a
few
drivers
of
what
makes
it
more
expensive
today
than
say
it
was
10
years
ago
at
the
top
of
that
list
is
adm
average
daily
membership.
H
When
we
have
more
kids,
it's
going
to
cost
more.
We
pay
more
per
kid.
So
if
you
look
at
that
per
pupil
allocation,
we
see
that
10
years
ago
we
had
fewer
kids.
Today
we
have
more
kids.
If
we
are
indeed
in
a
downward
slope,
I
think
you
would
expect
that
spending
to
go
down.
That
is
part
of
how
the
model
corrects
itself
is
that
way.
The
second
big
driver
of
that
difference
in
cost
over
time
is
the
cost
of
health
insurance.
H
The
state
reimburses
districts
on
the
cost
of
health
insurance
at
the
state
rate.
If
you
picked
a
different
rate,
health
insurance
is
still
a
big
driver
when
matt
gives
you
his
projections
when
he
talks
about
estimates,
you
take
a
look
at
those
assumptions
and
he
estimates
a
ten
percent
growth
per
year
in
health
insurance.
H
Certainly,
there
are
other
good
discussions
for
us
to
have
over
time
and
I
think
that
we
can
look
forward
to
those
conversations
over
time,
but
I
thought
I
I
really
did
want
to
share
with
you
that
we
look
forward
to
discussions
about
this
piece
of
the
model,
that
piece
of
the
model
and
then
ultimately
coming
to
a
full
solution,
not
solving
part
of
the
problem.
But
how
do
we
solve
the
whole
problem?
H
That's
in
front
of
us
and-
and
I
would
go
back
to
where
you
as
a
legislature,
started
in
that
2016
white
paper
and
say
that
five-point
plan
is
a
good
plan.
We've
endorsed
it.
We
support
it
and
would
continue
to
do
so.
Mr
chairman,
with
that,
I
would
be
open
for
questions
and
would
be
happy
to
do
what
I
can
to
help.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Brian.
This
is
a
an
ask
with
regard
to
the
taxation
and
the
revenue,
and
I
appreciate
the
comment
that
you
don't
believe
it's
a
limiting
concept,
but
that
the
one
cent
was
some
something
that
was
specifically
discussed
so
that
was
brought
to
the
board.
As
we
continue
to
work
this.
I
think
we're
going
to
need
a
lot
more
support
on
revenue,
not
just
from
the
school
boards,
but
literally
from
everybody
in
the
state.
I
But
the
school
boards
are
helpful
and
really
working
with
them
and
getting
support
behind.
Perhaps
broader
revenue
picture,
how
we
could
go
about
it,
what
they
are
willing
to
support,
recognizing
that
we
don't
just
have
a
revenue
shortfall
in
education,
but
we've
got
a
broader
reverse
revenue
shortfall
so
effectively
getting
that
discussion
broadened
and
trying
to
get
them
to
engage
with
their
public
their
constituents
to
start
to
provide
the
support
as
well
and
honestly,
tying
back
into
that
white
paper,
which
was
an
excellent
white
paper
to
expand
the
discussion.
I
A
Thank
you,
co-chairman,
summers
and
then
representative
bergman,
speaker.
E
H
Mr
chairman,
mr
co-chairman,
I
I
took
it
as
a
a
request
for
support
and
assistance,
and
I
believe
that
is
in
line
with
what
the
committee
has
previously
asked
that
we
have
those
community
conversations.
H
H
If
we
talk
about
the
wyoming
we
want,
we
can
go
back
to
our
very
first
territorial
governor,
governor
campbell
and
governor
campbell
talked
about
education
as
the
cornerstone
of
the
new
state
and-
and
I
think
that
has
been
something
wyoming
has
built
on-
is
a
commitment
to
education
and,
and
we
want
to
continue
that
work
as
well.
E
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
so
one
request
for
me,
brian
and
it's
just
because
I
did
a
poor
job
of
coalescing.
All
of
those
letters
I
don't
know
if
they
were
also
sent
lso
or
not,
but
if
you
could
re-ask
for
districts
to
send
all
of
the
letters
they
sent
me
and
co-chairman
to
you,
can.
H
It
was
a
little
difficult
to
hear,
but
I
believe
you
asked
that
we
asked
districts
to
resend
letters
to
copy
lso
as
they
resend
the
letters.
E
Correct,
mr
chairman,
and
then
my
my
final
question,
representative
barlow's
shaking
his
head.
So
I
don't
know
if
he
can't
hear
me
or.
E
So,
mr
co-chair
brian,
my
my
last
question
is
a
question.
I've
asked
several
people
today
and
that
is
the
legislative
model
versus
the
eb
model.
Are
you
glad
we're
back
working
on
the
legislative
model
or
do
you
wish?
We
had
stayed
with
the
eb
model.
H
Mr
chairman,
I
I
believe
that
we
would
support
the
use
of
the
legislative
model.
I
I
have
a
great
deal
of
respect
for
doctors,
pikas
and
dr
oden
for
the
work
that
they've
done
in
building
the
model.
H
I
look
at
the
legislative
model
as
being
a
collaborative
effort
between
the
state
of
wyoming
and
the
consultants,
and
it
wasn't
built
in
the
laboratory,
but
it
was
built
through
the
experience
of
the
state
of
wyoming.
H
Certainly,
I
have
a
couple
more
asks
of
a
couple
more
tweaks
to
perfect
that
model,
but
I
think
when
we
can
move
from
the
laboratory
to
the
to
the
real
world
that
that
is
informed
by
our
experience
and
and
results
in
the
best.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
brian.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
again
for
for
being
here
today,
and
I
appreciate
the
letter
you
sent
to
the
committee
last
night
as
I
read
that
last
night
and
I
didn't
realize
so
85
of
the
school
boards,
and
I
really
shout
out
to
senator
hicks
because
he's
the
guy
that
kind
of
put
that
that
request
on
school
boards
to
hey.
We
need
your
help
and
appreciate
how
school
boards
have
responded,
and
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
get
those
letters
publicized.
J
So
the
public
can
see
those
have
been
very
interesting,
the
ones
that
I've
received
and
then
but
I
appreciate
that.
So
I
guess
my
first
question:
when
did
this
school
board
convention
or
when
did
you
all
get
together
and
pass
this
one
cent
resolution
supporting
us
to
to
do
that
was
that
here,
just
in
the
last
couple
months.
H
Mr
chairman,
yes,
that
was
at
the
bottom
of
the
resolution
is
the
date
of
november
18
2020,
which
was
the
day
of
the
delegate
assembly
the
actual
day.
The
vote
was
taken.
So
in
the
weeks
leading
up
to
that
delegate,
assembly
conversations
were
had
at
the
local
board
level,
and
then
those
delegates
of
the
local
boards
came
together
at
our
our
delegate
assembly.
As
a
part
of
our
annual
meeting
and
annual
conference.
J
H
That's
correct,
mr
chairman:
every
district
is
represented.
I
think
we
did
have
a
couple
of
districts
absent
from
the
delegate
assembly,
but
that
is
accounted
for
in
the
the
information
I
shared
with
you.
J
Well,
I
appreciate
that
and
I
think
it's
going
to
be
critical.
You
know
these
school
boards,
many
of
them
run
in
bigger
elections
than
legislators
do,
and
so
we
really
appreciate
that
and
then-
and
I
think
that
I
also
appreciate
you
bringing
up
the
white
paper
this
past
weekend.
I
I
got
up
and
I
just
I
read
that
and
read
it
in
quite
some
time
and
and
I
went
through
it
just
and
I
sent
that
out
to
the
rest
of
the
committee.
I
updated
it
with
just
my
memory.
I
think
it's
important
to
realize.
J
We've
done
a
lot
remember
this
thing
four
years
ago
we
not
only
had
this
this
issue,
but
it
was
also
a
school
capcom
issue
which
you
virtually
solved,
but
I
think
so.
We've
come
a
long
ways
and
there's
just
more,
and
you
know
really
why
we're
using
the
lsra
is
simply
that
was
a
conference
committee.
You
know
we
had
one
penny
in
the
bill
to
complete
the
five-part
plan
and
then
it
got
conference
committed
out
to
link
it
to
the
lsra,
which,
which
is
good.
J
I
mean
the
lsra
balance
really
is
much
different
than
it
was
four
years
ago
and
we
started
this
simply
because
we
refuel
it
with
investment
revenue.
But
I
think
really
and
I'll
just
say
this
to
you
and
I'll
say
to
the
committee
and
those
folks.
I
don't
know
how
many
people
in
wyoming
are
out
here
listening.
But
you
know
this
issue
is
really
all
about
coal
and
that's
what
this
about.
J
I
mean
these
seniors
were
fifth
graders,
the
last
time
we
produced
400
million
tons
of
coal
and
that's
educated,
all
our
kids
and-
and
you
know
we're
going
to
be
just
over
200
million
this
year.
J
So
it's
cut
in
half
and
not
only
the
devastation
of
campbell
county
and
the
surrounding
counties
where
these
miners
live,
but
every
100
million
tons
is
160
million
in
revenue
to
the
state
that
educates
our
kids
so
we're
down
360
to
400
million
and
just
coal,
and
I
just
think
it's
important
for
all
of
us
to
come
to
grips
with
that.
I
mean
it's,
it's
not
like.
In
wyoming
we
have
out
of
control
government,
I
mean
we
run
the
whole
state
on
a
billion
and
a
half
a
year.
J
It's
remarkable
and
it's
not
like
some
of
these
states.
We
see
in
the
news
that
are
out
of
control
and
no
accountability
of
their
citizens,
and
but
I
think
this
issue
with
coal
we're
going
to
have
to
come
to
grips
with,
and
I
don't
know
if
we've
got
the
wherewithal
to
do
it
or
will
this
somebody
eventually
someday,
but
I
think
the
blessing
that
coal
has
given
our
state
is
really
remarkable
and
it
is
truly
a
shame
what
has
happened.
J
We
all
know
that,
but
we've
got
to
continue
on
now
with
the
next
plan
to
provide
these
services
to
our
people,
and
I
appreciate
your
representation.
All
these
elected
officials
we're
going
to
need
your
help.
I
would
suggest
to
get
every
school
board
together
and
invite
us
together.
I
haven't
really
been
invited
to
a
lot
of
school
board
meetings
over
my
years
of
service
and-
and
you
know
all
these
other
groups
invite
us
before
the
session
and
I
think
have
us
come
tour.
J
H
H
I
grew
up
building
metal
buildings
in
a
lot
of
those
mine
sites
and
oil
fields
across
wyoming.
So
I
I
know
where
our
good
fortune
has
come
from.
I
I
grew
up
as
a
beneficiary
of
that
and
my
own
kids
have
benefited
from
that
and,
as
I
think
about
my
grandson
and
and
what
now
is
the
wyoming
for
him,
I
think
that's.
H
What
wyoming
citizens
have
to
have
to
ask
ourselves
is:
what
is
the
wyoming
we
want,
and
what
are
we
willing
to
do
for
that
and
and
that's
going
to
be
what
we've
always
done,
but
we
are
in
a
different
world
where
it's
not
coal
and
where
oil
and
gas
are
are
going
to
be
subject
to
the
ups
and
downs
that
they've
always
had.
H
So,
if
we
look
at
that
structure
and
say
what
can
we
do
to
add?
Other
legs
to
that
structure
to
make
it
more
sound,
building
those
metal
buildings
they
have
to
withstand
that
wyoming
wind.
How
do
you
build
a
sound
structure?
You
make
sure
you
have
the
good
foundation
and
you
make
sure
you
have
the
good
support
and
then
and
then
you
can
build.
A
H
Just
have
to
give
you
a
kudos,
I
see
in
the
background
of
your
picture,
elf,
and
that
is
certainly
one
of
my
favorite
christmas
movies.
So
I'd
like
to
wish
you
and
the
committee
a
merry
christmas
and
thank
you
for
keeping
it
light
as
well.
A
All
right,
thanks
to
all
those
folks
that
came
forward
to
provide
their
input
on
21,
lso,
165
working
draft
point
five,
and
with
that
I'm
gonna
turn
to
the
committee
and
see
what
is
the
pleasure
of
the
group?
Do
we
have
any
motions
with
respect.
A
Call
for
the
question
mr
willmarth
or
josh:
please
call
the
roll.
K
Mr
chairman,
this
is
for
21
lso
165
version
0.5.
As
a
reminder,
this
has
to
ask
both
houses
to
be
a
committee
bill.
E
D
K
K
Mr
chairman,
that
got
four
eye
votes
on
both
sides,
so
that
should
pass.
K
E
Mr
chairman,
I
just
want
to
thank
you
know,
I
guess
both
sides
for
the
amicable
debate.
I
think
to
let
the
public
know
we're
going
to
have
plenty
of
debate.
I
think
this
would
be
a
house
bill.
My
preference
would
be
this
would
start
as
a
house
bill,
since
it
does
have
a
tax
title
in
it.
E
And,
mr
chairman,
I
can
assure
you
that
the
house
recall
we
will
debate
taxes
and
cuts
and
phase
in
and
phase
out
and
all
those
all
that
stuff
and
then,
if
it
passes
the
house
in
whatever
form,
then
the
senate
will
get
to
have
that
same
debate.
So,
mr
chairman,
I
appreciate
your
work
and
your
committee's
work.
A
Well,
mr
co-chair,
I
want
to,
I
want
to
applaud
you
and
the
efforts
of
of
your
committee
members,
the
consultants
and
the
staff.
Of
course
this
is
just
the
first
of
many
such
worthy
debates
on
a
topic
that
is
of
extreme
importance
to
everybody
in
wyoming
and
if,
if
we're
lucky
we'll
make
headway
in
getting
to
a
solution,
this
session
likely
is
not
we'll
be
talking
about
this
for
several
years
to
come.
D
Just
one
thing,
mr
co-chair,
and
thanks
to
both
you
and
co-chairman
summers
for
your
hard
work
on
this
to
the
speaker
and
everybody
else,
as
I
reflecting,
I
think
I
was
on
the
first
committee
that
did
the
basket
of
goods
in
1995,
and
I
look
at
what
we
try
to
accomplish
today
and
the
spirit
of
at
least
trying
to
get
together
and
work
on
a
very,
very
tough
issue.
I
appreciate
that
and
if
we're
going
to
get
it
done,
we're
going
to
get
it
done
right
and
it's
going
to
happen
in
a
place
like
wyoming.