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From YouTube: YUI Open Roundtable November 21, 2013
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YUI Open Roundtable November 21, 2013
A
You
should,
I
guess
we
should
tell
people
to
like
use
the
tag
to
the
rc
as
a
release
candidate
like
we
should
tell
people
like
now
like,
since
we
can't
get
up
on
a
cem
like
it's
at
least
worth,
and
I
think
I
think
most
people
like
use
yui
like
most
of
the
big
consumers.
B
B
So
welcome
to
why
why
open
round
table
and
thursday
november
21st
2013.
we're
just
getting
set
up
here,
a
little
bit
see
if
we
get
more
folks
to
come
in
otherwise
we'll
fly
so
low
today,.
A
Yeah,
if
you
just
want
to
join
just
pm
andrew
right
on
irc
yep,.
B
Well,
I'm
doing
that.
If
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
things.
A
That
are
going
on
around
ny
right
now
yeah.
So
this
week
is
well
the
release
week
for
us.
So
we've
been
testing
out
our
the
release,
branch
that
we've
had
on
yui
and
one
of
the
things
that
you
can
do
is
we've
been
having
some,
oh
okay,
so
we've
been
having
some
minor
issues
with
the
cdn
this
week,
but
we
do
want
people
to
start
testing
out
like
the
release
candidate
branch
that
we
have.
So
I
just
pushed
up
a
tag
for
yui
340,
we'll
be
having
a
major
release.
A
So
if
you're
using
yui
just
take
the
free
14.0
rc1
tag
and
start
testing
it
out
and
feel
free
to,
let
us
know
if
you
come
across
like
any
major
bugs
or
any
problems
that
we
can
solve
and
so
we'll
try
to
get
any
like
showstopper
bugs
fixed
as
soon
as
possible.
Right
before
the
release
on
monday.
A
Issues
with
the
deployment
right
now
and
yeah,
so
our
little
minor
cdn
problems
are
also
affecting
the
gallery
release
again
for
this
week,
but
we'll
try
to
get
that
fixed
as
soon
as
possible,
and
it
doesn't
affect
anything
that
you
have
on
the
gallery
right
now.
But
we'll
get
that
like
done
so
you
can
have
like
new
gallery
modules
up
and
running
again.
B
Yeah
and
every
week
that
we
we
do
this,
it
helps
like
strengthen
the
the
release
system,
because
everything
that
we
do,
we
help
give
feedback
to
the
folks
working
on
this
to
fix
bugs
and
stuff.
So
that's
good
that
we,
we
are
actively
using
a
lot
so
that
we
don't
end
up
going
several
months
without
having
anything
pushed.
A
B
I
could
go
over
a
lot
of
these
are
bug
fixes
contributed
by
the
community.
This
time
around
we've
got
in
autocomplete.
There's
a
fixing
button
about
disabled
change.
Fixing
calendar
charts
got
a
lot
of
updates.
I
think
great
trip
is
working
quite
a
bit
on
charts
this
time
around
and
next
time.
A
B
If
you
look
on
the
wiki
page,
I
already
have
the
history
roll
up
going
right
now,
it's
not,
of
course
we
haven't
released
yet,
but
this
is
the
the
candidate
release,
release
notes,
so
you'll
see
there's
a
bunch
of
changes
in
charts.
Oh
one,
big
thing
is
for
grids.
We
now
import
css
grids
from.
A
Pure
yeah,
exactly
so
yui
has
a
dependency
on
pure
now,
which
is
pretty
cool
and
we're
using
bauer
to
manage
that.
So,
basically
we're
using
power
to
pull
in
here
and
then
change
it
so
that
it's
directly
rewriting
it
into
like
the
yui
charts.
B
A
That's
the
cool
thing
about
that,
and
we
also
use
ground
for
that
too.
Right
for
the
actual
for
actual
rewriting
yeah
and
that's
based
on
like
grunts
plugin,
that
eric
wrote
that
does
the
rewriting.
B
A
B
I
know
right
now
we
manually
import
like
what
handlebars
and
stuff
and
also
css.
What's
the
css
reset
that
we
use,
I
normalized
normalized
yeah,
so
those
will
probably
end
up
getting
used
this
way
as
well.
I
guess
yeah.
Definitely
so
everything's
just
going
to
be
pulled
in
as
it
depends
and
the
cool
thing
is
if
they're
cut.
There
comes
something
like
this
that
it's
an
open
source
community.
Well,
once
we
have
this
process
in
place,
they'll
be
more
easily
integrated
into
yui.
A
Exactly
so
yeah,
I
guess
like
one
of
the
interesting
things
that
were
that's
also
happened
this
week
and
how
we're
also
integrating
with
like
the
wider
javascript
community
is
that
we
got
a
lot
more
stuff
done
with
the
es6
modules
inside
of
yui,
for
this
release
too.
A
So,
right
now,
for
most
of
you
guys,
like
the
changes
that
we
made
to
yui,
aren't
going
to
affect
you
because
you're
not
using
esx
models
inside
of
your
code
yet,
but
we
also
carry
made
a
pull
request
over
to
square's
es6
module
transpiler
this
week,
and
this
was
just
recently
merged
in
and
what
this
does,
that
the
transpiler
lets.
You
write
your
code
as
es6
modules
and
it
can
transpile
that
code
into
a
lot
of
different
module
systems
so
whether
using
common
gis
amd
or
now
even
yui.
A
You
have
support
for
that,
and
it's
also
supported
as
a
grunt
task
too.
So,
basically,
we
started
actually
like
writing
some
projects
using
es6
modules
and
using
those
it's
just
a
matter
of
starting
our
run
task
and
that
immediately
converts
all
of
our
esx
modules
over
to
yui
modules
that
you
can
just
use
normally.
So
that's
the
really
cool
thing
that
we
have
and
we'll
be
showing
examples
of
how
to
do
that
yourself,
soon
cool.
A
So
this
is
laying
the
foundation
for
a
lot
of
things
exactly
so
it's
starting
to
get
back
into
the
things
that
eric
was
talking
about
in
his
ue
comp
talk,
which
was
just
to
say,
we're
breaking
out
like
that
walled
garden
in
yui,
and
starting
to
like
create
modules
that,
like
anyone,
can
use
or
just
use
bits
and
pieces
of
yui
or
make
it
like
interface
better
with
other
systems
that
already
exist.
A
Is
it
also
output
so
right
now,
as
I
understand
it,
you
can
you
only
write
your
code
as
es6
models.
I
think
later
on,
there's
going
to
be
a
way
to
write,
yui
models
and
also
have
them
transparent
like
other
systems,
but
as
far
as
I
know,
right
now
you
start
out
with
esx
modules.
B
So
is
this
like
just
sort
of
a
if
someone
wants
to
use
this,
how
would
they
use
it
right
now
they
just
so
like.
A
Another
flag
or
something
yeah,
so
right
now
square.
So
if
you
go
to
slash
github.com
module
transpiler,
that's
the
tool
that
we're
using
to
do
the
transpilation
and
what
it
does
it
uses
like
extrema
and
how
it
works.
Is
that
looks
at
your
code
analyzes
to
see
whether
it
has
any
like
important
export
statements
and
takes
those
important
export
statements
and
rewrites
them
into
like
yui
that
add,
for
instance,
yeah
yeah.
B
A
B
A
So
what
airbnb
recently
had
this
article
that
they
wrote
called
while
they
were
talking
about
like
this,
like
new,
like
these
new
type
of
javascript
apps,
which
they
called
like
isomorphic
yeah,
and
that's
similar
to
some
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
now.
So
some
of
the
work
that
I
was
talking
about
in
my
ue
conf
talk
and
some
of
the
work
that
karate
was
talking
about.
A
So
the
idea
that
you
can
you
have
javascript
apps
that
render
on
both
the
server
and
the
client
right
and
so
airbnb
is
doing
something
similar
to
what
we're
doing
and
for
them
they're
using
like
backbone,
with
their
framework
render
right
and
what
they're
doing
there
is
that
they're
able
to
render
their
backbone
apps
on
the
server
and
on
the
clients
as
well,
and
so
we've
been
talking
with
them
and
we've
been
like
sharing
ideas
and
about
likes.
How?
A
After
that,
exactly-
and
it's
also
like
better
for
performance-
it's
better
for
your
mobile
devices,
because
they
don't
need
to
like
spend
the
time
like
rendering
everything
now
and
inserting
the
container
into
the
dom.
So
that's
a
really
good
thing
about
like
isomorphic
javascript
apps
is
that
you
have
like
the
performance
benefit,
and
you
also
have
like
the
progressive
enhancement
benefit
for
your
old
browsers
too.
B
A
On
the
server,
but
also
it
could
render
exactly
so-
you
don't
need
to
like,
if
you're
using
like
php
on
the
server,
you
don't
need
to
write
internationalization
code
for
php
and
an
internationalization
code
for
javascript
right.
You
basically
share
the
same
code
base
that
way
cool,
so
yeah,
they're,
doing
interesting,
stuff
there
and
we're
doing
interesting
stuff
here.
B
So
I
wonder
how
this
will
work
out
with,
like
also
with
other,
like
mobile
frameworks
like
firefox
os
right,
like
that
it
plays
to
that
strength
as
well,
where
it's
a
low-end
device.
You
know
it
renders
everything
via
what
the
web
and
then
adds
on
that.
So
it's
not
just
benefiting
websites.
It's
also
benefiting
devices
yeah.
B
Cool
so
we
talked
about
the
transpiler.
Everyone
wants
to
know
about
the
videos.
As
far
as
I
know,
right
now,
we're
still
talking
to
the
the
video
folks
about
getting
the
the
content.
B
Basically,
just
negotiating
like
what's
the
the
right
format
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
so
it'll
be
ready
for
youtube
when
we
get
it
the
step
after
that,
once
we
get
the
videos
back,
we'll
be
we'll
need
to
add,
like
descriptions
for
all
the
videos
and
then.
A
So
yeah
on
the
topic
of
other
talks
this
week.
B
A
We
gave
a
talk
yesterday
at
bay
jacks
over
at
paypal
and
it's
basically
a
sequel
to
his
uecom
talk
about
testing
and
the
work
that
he's
doing
with
yeti
and
yo
tess.
So
the
video
for
that
should
be
up
soon
too,
so
just
keep
an
eye
out
for
that.
So
will
that
be
on
payjax.com.
A
B
What
we
can
do
is
we'll
try
to
follow
up
with
that
and
try
to
get
it
to
the
y
white
weekly
blog
post,
yeah.
B
A
In
other
news,
I
guess,
like
a
few
members
of
the
yui
team
are
at
the
tc,
the
last
tc-39
meeting
of
the
year
this
week
and
that's
also
being
held
at
paypal.
Maybe
you
could
explain
to
them
what
pc39
is
so
tc39
is
the
working
group
that
works
on
the
ecmascript
ecmascript
specification
and
so
what
they
do.
B
B
And
this
is
just
continuing
on
from,
like
our
talk
that
we
had
like
eric's
talk
from
wow,
I
conf
as
well
right
all
the
idea
that
you
know
sort
of
transforming
yui
into
like
from
the
sort
of
walled
garden
kind
of
thing.
It's
just
basically
open
to
I
mean
it
was
never
really
a
wall
garden
per
se
like
it's
open
source
code,
but
a
lot
of
times.
If
you
want
to
use
yui,
it
was
pretty
much
you.
You
bet
everything
on
that,
but
now
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
diverse.
B
A
Yeah,
so
it
looks
like
today
was
actually
the
day
that
they're
still
working
on
all
the
module
stuff,
so
we'll
see
how
that
works.
Maybe
next
week
we'll
get
some
information
from
eric
or
and
breed,
and
that
and
see
like
what
they
found
out
about
that
there's
some
degree
of.
A
No
and
that
well,
the
good
news
is
that,
like
from
what
I
understand
like
tc39,
is
moving
over
to
like
a
rapid
release
model
so
like
what
they're
doing
is
like
basically
bringing
like
sprints
into
like
standard
spelling.
So
they'll
be
having
like
more
like
short
term,
like
releases
for
like
right,
it's
like
whenever
they
get.
B
A
B
Plus
browsers
kind
of
want
to
jump
the
gun
right,
they
tend
to
go
off
and
do
their
own
like
if
something's
not
progressing
fast
enough,
they'll
try
to
create
their
own
spec,
and
then
you
have
to
resolve
yeah,
putting
webkit
in
front
or
ie
and
just
stuff
that
you
don't
want
yeah.
So
it's
good
in
both
accounts,
but
one
is
you
get
better
releases
so
that
browsers
can
make
the
changes
and
the
other
is.
It
keeps
browsers
from
like
trying
to
wander
off
and
do
their
own
thing,
exactly
that's
cool!
B
So
once
let's
see,
there's
tc39
bay
jacks.
You
talked
about
the
gallery.
B
Do
you
want
to
talk
about?
Oh,
I
can
talk
a
little
more
about
what
else
we
have
in
the
in
the
release.
Well,
I
mean,
outside
of
like
I
was
at
charts
and
grids.
Css
normalized
been
up
to
date,
which
I
just
mentioned.
Changes
in
data
table,
there's
a
fix
for
enriched
text.
Editor
get
utility
is
updated
in
addition
to
the
changes
to
charts
like
under
the
underlying
graphics
code
has
been
updated,
updated
a
bit
updates
and
node.
I
know.
B
One
thing
I
want
to
note
is
that
behind
the
scenes
you
may
notice
that
ezekiel's
been
going
in
and
finding
a
lot
of
these
pull
requests.
They've
been
hanging
out
for
forever
and
oh
yeah
reviving
him
from
the
dead.
So
I
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
ezekiel
for
like
it's
like
the
necromancer
he's,
bringing
things
back
and
putting
them
out
there.
So
that's.
B
Yeah
exactly
outside
that
there's
yy
test
transition,
uploader
and
then,
of
course,
the
core
changes
to
the
there's.
A
B
Let's
see
what
else
I've
got
going
on
in
so
for
this
week,
we're
we're
testing
the
current
release,
branch
against
the
browser
matrix
that
you
see
on
the
site
and
we're
also
trying
to
look
at
future.
Future
versions
of
things
like
like
ios.
A
7
and
yeah
speaking
of
that,
so
currently
this
release
it
we're
starting
testing
for
i11,
and
but
this
this
release
will
not
officially
support
i11
just
yet
so
we
still
have
like
a
few
bugs
there
to
work
out,
but
we'll
be
some
we'll
be
having
like
a
patch
release
very
soon
for
ielts
support.
A
Far
there
aren't
too
many
bugs
with
ie11.
Actually,
so
it
should.
Everything
should
work
out
pretty
well
yeah,
but
if
you
do
find
anything,
you
should
be
sure
to
let
us
know.
So
we
can
like
make
that
a
priority
for
the
coming
up
release.
A
Ios
7
for
this
release.
That's
something
that
we
are
definitely
supporting.
A
One
of
the
things
that
we
actually
want
to
know
is
we
want
to
get
feedback
on
whether
people
are
using
yui
to
build
windows,
8
app,
and
if
you
are
doing
that,
we
want
to
know
if
you're,
like
what
version
of
when
js
you're
using.
So
one
of
the
things
that
has
been
happening
is
that
windows
recently
released
like
windows,
8.1
and
one
of
the
things
that's
going
on.
A
There
is
that
windows
8.1
added
winjs
2.0,
and
there
there
was
a
lot
of
bug,
fixes
that
helped
make
making
native
windows
apps
more
compatible
with
existing
libraries
like
jquery
and
yui,
and
all
of
that
so
before,
like
if
you
try
to
use
just
like
other
libraries
with
making
with
making
windows,
8
apps
you'll
get
a
lot
of
errors
yeah.
There
are
a
lot
of
like
like
permissions
errors
and
stuff
too
yeah,
because
they
wouldn't
let
you
directly
like
access
like
inner
html,
for
instance
yeah,
but
now
that
they
made
those
changes.
A
It's
a
lot
easier
to
make
windows
8
apps
with
yui.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
know
is,
if
just
if
you
were
using
like
yui
with
making
windows
8
apps
beforehand,
because
that
was
one
of
our
officially
supported
environments.
A
We
like
to
see
whether
it's
worth
dropping
the
the
before,
when
js
2.0
from
our
browser
matrix.
B
A
Gap
between
yeah
yeah,
so
microsoft
right
now
recommends
building
all
windows
8
apps
using
win.js
2.0.
So
if
you
are
using
like
the
old
winjs,
definitely
let
us
know,
especially
if
you're
using
it
yui.
B
Cool,
let's
see
here,
do
you
want
to
talk
about
some
stale,
polar
plus
yeah?
I
have
one
two
three
about
six
or
seven
of
those
just
want
to
bring
them
up,
because
I
want
to
start
getting
having
a
conversation
about
them.
The
first
one,
if
you
have
yours
up,
is
forecast1254.
B
So
this
is
yeah
issue,
one
two,
five
four
issue:
one
two,
five,
four,
okay
yeah
just
give
me
a
sec
yeah.
I
think
this
one.
Actually,
this
one
is
basically
in
the
hands
of
the
developer
right
now.
So
it's
old,
but
it's
also
it's
not
something
that
that
they're
waiting.
A
On
lately,
so
if
that's
a
thing,
I
might
just
like
write
the
unit
test
for
that.
That
doesn't
seem
like
too
major
of
a
change
so
or
I'll.
Take
a
look
at
that
yeah.
But
after,
like
this
release
comes
out.
Yeah
yeah.
B
This
was
originally,
I
think,
derek
was
looking
at
this,
but
now
yeah.
So
I
don't
know,
I
think
well.
B
A
That's
something
that
we
can
take
a
look
at
like
again
after
this
release.
I
guess
in
terms
of
widget.
B
A
Actually,
I
think
this
is
just
changing
like
it's
just
moving
things
around
if
I'm
yeah.
B
There's
a
big
block
there,
so
yeah
so
definitely
need
the
test.
For
that
next
one
is:
oh,
there
is
a
test.
Colors
yeah,
oh
yeah,
you're
right,
there's,
three
files.
There
awesome.
A
Yeah,
so
that's
just
more
of
a
reviewing
it
and
see
yeah,
I
wonder
if,
like
after
we
do
a
release,
we
should
do
like
a.
B
Next
one
is
pull
889..
This
is
89.
B
B
Just
moving
things
around
this
one,
that's
cool!
Okay!
Let's
move
on
next
one!
Let
me
just
read
it
real,
quick,
there's,
one
that
you
close
to
one:
oh
one,
two,
six,
four,
so
yeah!
I
actually.
A
Do
you
know
about
that
one?
So
this
one
is
so
yeah
that
one
still
needs
some
feedback
from
eric
right,
yeah,
okay,
so
we'll
I'll
follow
up
on
that,
then
all
right,
yeah.
B
B
A
Ie
and
basically
those
are
the
events
that
like
combine,
touch,
events
and
click
events
right.
A
So,
who
do
you
think
should
we
should
sign
some
of
this?
Is
this
so
yeah?
I
think
tilo
and
luke
are
already
working
on
that.
So.
A
That's
going
on
pretty
well
actually.
B
B
A
B
B
For,
like
a
stale
pull
request
is
like
it's
over
a
week
old,
it's
it
was
filed
by
someone
who
wasn't
like
on
the
core
team,
and
it's
also
that
it's
something
that,
like
one
of
us,
should
respond
to
like
they're
waiting
for
some
response.
A
Yeah,
so
one
interesting
thing
that
actually
likes
came
out
today
is
if
you're,
if
you
are
like
a
windows
developer
and
you're,
using
you're
developing
with
node.js
visual
studio,
now
has
no
js
tools.
A
So
that's
something
that
would
be
really
interesting
if
you're,
if
you
want
to
start
making
like
isomorphic
like
javascript
apps,
for
instance,
and
you're
still
you're
more
familiar
with
working
with
an
ide,
then
having
like
those
node.js
like
autocompletes
and
all
those
other
features
that
you
get
from
visual
studio
might
be
really
nice
to
have
so
yeah
I
mean
visual
studio
is.
A
A
B
B
A
Yeah
they
used
to
have
that
support.
It's
been
dying
down
a
bit
actually,
their.
B
A
In
other
news,
I
guess
like
there's
a
lot
of
like
good
talks
going
on
with.
There
was
a
lot
of
good
talks
at
cascadia.js
a
lot
back
and
that's
something
that
the
talks
have
finally
been
released
as
videos.
So
that's
something
that
we'll
probably
post
on
yui
weekly,
soon
too
so
definitely
check
that
out.
Can
you
mention
the
mailing
list
that
we
used
to
get
some
of
this
stuff
from?
Do
you
remember
that?
Oh
so
that's
we
got
them
from
like
javascript
weekly.
A
B
A
Things
not
that
I
know
of
yeah,
so
we
just
ajax
was
just
yesterday
at
paypal.
Hopefully
we
can
start
bringing
baijax
events
again
back.
B
B
Yeah
and
then
I
also
wanted
to
shout
out
again
about
dave's,
you
know
the
hack
conference
they
did
in
marion
illinois
right.
I
think
that
that
was
really
interesting.
I
can't
wait
to
see
what
comes
up
with
that
like
in
terms
of
future
ones,
so
yeah.
Definitely
I
see
what
else
we
got
going
on.
A
I
guess
one
of
the
things
I
can
talk
about
is
that
so
we
recently
had
an
internal
hack
day
here
and
what
I
did
was
I
made
an
app
that
started,
making
like
started
using
yui
charts
specifically
for
mobile
devices.
So
one
of
the
really
neat
books
that
I
read
recently
and
what
we
used
to
design
the
yo
test
dashboard
was,
oh
man
hang
on.
A
What's
that,
but
is
it
designing
interfaces
or
yeah,
but
it's
a
dashboard
design
technology,
so
I
started
taking
some
of
the
ideas
from
that
and
started
using
them
with
yr
charts
so
for
there
I
started
making
like
charts,
are
specifically
known
to
work
pretty
well
on
mobile
devices,
so
hopefully
I'll
be
able
to
extract
those
charts
out
soon
from
the
hack
day
project
that
I
worked
on
and
we'll
be
able
to
like
have
those,
maybe
as
like
a
gallery
module
or
something
like
that.
So
so.
A
B
One
of
the
cool
things
is
the
they
show
a
lot
of
like
bad
design
as
well,
like
a
lot
of
use
test
case,
use
cases.
A
Yeah
and
one
of
the
great
things
about
that
is
that
they
basically
they
have
like
a
lot
of
different
like
designers,
design,
the
same
dashboard
and
they
basically
go
and
discuss
like
the
benefits
and
the
negatives
right
interface
for
that
yeah.
Exactly
so,
it's
a
great
book
and
definitely
recommend
like
checking
it
out.
B
Yeah,
I
think
we've
already
bought
like
two
copies
yeah
cool.
I
think
that's
that's
pretty
much
covers
everything.
We've
got
this
week.
Is
there
any
questions
from
the
irc
side
of
things
and
it's
looking
pretty
quiet
right
now.
I
know
juan's
out
there
somewhere
working
on
relief
stuff,
we're
all
working
really
so
so
next
week
is
the
holidays
of
course.
So
there
won't
be
an
open
round
table
next
week.
It'll
be
thanksgiving
so
and
but
we
should
have
a
release
out
by
then
so
stay
tuned.