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A
Good
evening
tonight
is
wednesday,
the
14th
of
september,
it's
6
p.m.
A
A
If
anyone
in
the
room
is
that's
present
and
is
intending
to
offer
testimony,
please
sign
in
at
the
sheet
in
the
back
and
we'll
we'll
offer
you
a
chance
to
take
testimonies.
All
three
commissioners
are
present.
A
Okay,
you've
heard
the
motion
no
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye,
aye.
A
Carries
okay?
The
first
item
on
the
agenda
on
the
unfinished
business
agenda
is
project
number
two:
zero
one:
eight,
zero,
zero,
nine
zero;
two
m
s
p
dash
t
e.
This
is
for
a
board
level,
time
extension
for
a
master
site
plan
and
we
tabled
this
on
the
10th
of
august
for
additional
information.
A
A
F
Can
you
can
you
tell
me
how
many
parking
places,
because
it
wasn't
that
was
mainly
the
issue?
Is
it
wasn't
enough
parking,
and
so
there
was
some
overflow
and
I
believe
it
was
just
for
one
event,
but
then
I
believe
the
applicant
has
put
in
parking
places
additional
ones
on
the
property
that
were
not
in
that
original
agreement.
So
I
think
the
board
needs
to
find
out
how
many
total
parking.
A
E
Part
of
the
request
was
that
you
didn't
want
parking
on
the
street,
and
that
was
the
condition
that
I
had
specifically
singled
out.
But
I
don't
see
in
here
that
there's
a
specific
number
that
was
required,
you're
correct
that
they
had
included
additional
parking
spaces
from
their
initial
parking
provided
in
their
first
season.
A
A
F
Yeah,
so
that
was
my
understanding.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
if
we
decide
to
approve
this,
that
they
do
have
plenty
of
space
on
the
property
to
accommodate
all
parking
needs
for
their
events.
Commissioner,.
E
G
F
Yeah,
mr
chair
yeah,
I'm
satisfied
looking
at
this
they've
got
plenty
of
parking
available
and
that
is
dedicated
parking.
So
I
think
we
don't
need
added
condition
additional
conditions
of
approval.
I
think
that
was
mentioned
that
it
was
just
one
event
and
it
was
during
right
after
covid,
so
everybody
was
out
in
full
numbers.
F
So
I
doubt
if
that
happens
again,
and
if
it
does
it's
not
under
this
board's
purview
to
cite
folks
that
park
on
on
any
kind
of
a
public
road
like
eagle
road,
so
that
would
be
up
to
them
for
to
call
our
sheriff's
department.
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion
to
go
ahead
and
approve
201-800-902.
F
Mspte,
jim
lowe
and
based
on
the
findings,
effects
and
conclusions
of
law
stated
here
tonight
in
the
additional
information
that
was
provided
us.
E
Excuse
me,
commissioners:
no,
there
was
also
a
condition
of
approval
that
only
extended
the
time
extension
until
2023
and
you
do
have
the
ability
to
extend
it
until
2024,
and
that
was
a
typo
by
staff.
If
you
could.
Oh.
F
Yeah
modified
to
go
ahead
and
modify
my
motion
and
extend
the
time
level
extension
to
2024.
A
Okay,
you've
heard
a
motion
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye,
aye
aye
motion
carries.
Thank
you
next
up
in
the
unfinished
business
is,
is
application
number
two
zero?
Two
one
zero,
two,
eight
one,
six
dash
a
that's
in
may.
This
is
an
appeal
of
planning
zone,
commission's
approval
for
a
conditional
use,
permit
and
cell
tower.
The
property
is
located
at
5410,
beacon,
light
road.
This
was
table
from
our
7
13.
A
For
additional
information,
the
public
hearing,
the
public
hearing
does
remain
open
for
a
written
comments
on
specific
items
identified
by
the
board.
We
have
is
leonham
on.
Can
you
yeah.
A
I
All
right
chairman
commissioners
yeah.
Thank
you.
This
is
an
appeal
of
a
conditional
use.
Approval
by
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
made
for
a
100-foot
cell
tower.
The
appellant
is
louis
speicher
johnson
may
law.
The
original
applicant
was
josh
leonard
clark,
wardell
and
a
quick
recap
so
general.
This
is
off
of
beacon,
light
road.
As
mentioned
when
you
announce
the
item,
5410
west
beacon,
light
road.
I
Here's
a
quick
look
at
what
we
you
know
what
was
proposed:
100
foot
cell
towers
mentioned
before
2500
square
foot,
leased
area
for
the
equipment
and
tower
and
up
to
four
carriers
accommodated
on
that
proposed
tower,
so
the
additional
information
you
asked
for,
we
distilled
it
down
to
these
six
items
and
I'll
read
through
those
and
those
were
included
in
that
memo.
It's
it
was
55
pages
in
length.
I'm
going
gonna
just
go
through
these
and
then,
if
you
have
specific
questions
as
to
each
item,
I
can
drill
deeper
into
that.
I
As
commissioner
beck
mentioned,
the
record
was
closed
for
written
testimony.
Only
so
if
you
did
have
specific
questions
for
some
of
the
contributors
of
this
information,
say
the
consultants
we
hired
or
the
appellant
for
item
one
or
so
forth.
We
may
need
to
talk.
J
I
Give
you
that
opportunity,
otherwise
staff
will
work
to
summarize
the
information
provided.
So
first
of
all,
you
asked
for
information
from
the
applicant
regarding
the
potential
of
locating
the
project
on
blm
property,
which
was
identified
to
be
about
1.25
miles
to
the
northwest
or
any
properties
closer
to
highway.
16..
I
I
You
also
asked
staff
to
provide
a
map
of
all
the
cell
towers
and
list
the
carriers,
as
well
as
all
existing
and
proposed
housing
within
a
10
mile
radius.
Thankfully
you
let
us
look
at
a
five
mile
radius,
because
we
didn't
want
to
talk
to
the
city
of
emmett,
about
cell
towers
in
their
area,
so
we
were
able
to
scale
that
down
a
little
bit,
and
that
was
one
of
the
items
included
in
the
packet.
I
If
you
had
a
conversation
with
legal
about
telecommunications
act
and
I'll
just
I
wasn't
a
part
of
that
conversation,
so
I
don't
have
a
recap
there,
but
as
is
common
practice
with
the
legal
team,
they
they
did
meet
with
you
during
executive
session
to
to
discuss
that
and
then
finally
or
not.
Finally,
you
also
asked
the
appellant
to
provide
proof
of
diminished
land
values
in
the
surrounding
area.
That
would
result
from
the
proposed
cell
tower,
and
so
that
was
included
as
an
exhibit
as
well.
I
There
was
quite
a
bit
of
additional
information
in
that
material
as
well,
but
I
can
zero
you
in
on
a
couple
pages
that
they
looked
at
specifically
an
appraisal
associated
with
a
eight
accounting
project
from
2018
that
was
in
the
area
about
two
and
a
half
miles
away
from
this
proposed
site.
And
then,
finally,
you
asked
staff
to
look
at
the
city
of
eagles
eagle's
reason
for
denying
the
project.
So
again,
I
know
there's
a
lot
packed
in
here.
I'm
happy
to
you
know
again
drill
deeper
on
any.
K
L
I
F
Mr
church,
all
right,
hi
leon,
so
I
just
a
couple
questions.
I'm
looking
trying
to
find
34a
the
one
on
the
the
land
values
diminishing.
Yes,.
I
Yeah,
the
appellants
information
that
so
page
29
references,
an
appraisal
that
was
done
by
I
believe
valbridge,
and
that
was
in
relation
to
a
cell
tower
near
beacon
light
that
was
proposed
in
2018
and
per
the
app
the
appellants
comments.
The
cell
tower
would
result
in
a
nine
percent
reduction
in
land
value
if
that
particular
tower
would
have
resulted
in
a
nine
percent
reduction
to
the
project
to
the
property.
That
was
the
subject
of
that
appraisal
again,
so
it's
not
just
as
a
qualifier.
It's
not
the
subject
property.
I
F
I
I
just
I
mean
again:
I'm
I'm
restating
the
appellants
or
information
they
pointed
to
that
they
pointed
to
that
appraisal.
I
believe
there
is
a
comment
from
valbridge
which
I
can
try
to
pull
up
here.
Can
you
see
my
screen.
F
I
I
If
you
look
on
this
page
of
the
appraisal
from
the
2018
project,
it
does
note
the
difference
that
would
have
occurred
with
the
cell
tower.
F
Okay-
and
that
was
joe
corlett-
you
did
that
so
the
next
question
I
have
is
the
city
of
eagle
their
reasoning.
So
when
you
look
on
that
exhibit
the
only
thing
I
could
find
was
just
a
list
of
things
that
they
consider,
but
was
there
not
anything
specific
to
this
particular
cell
tower
that
was
to
go
on
the
school
property.
I
For
the
city
of
eagle,
they
specifically
commented
on
this
cell
tower
the
school
property.
I
didn't
see
that
in
the
report,
the
reason
for
city
of
eagles
denial
was
that,
because
this
property
is
in
the
area
of
city
impact,
if
it
were
to
be
annexed,
it
would
likely
receive
a
zoning
that
would
prohibit
the
project,
so
they
basically
denied
it
recommended
denial
based
on
the
fact
that
it
would
be
a
non-conforming
use
if
ever
annexed
into
the
city
of
eagle,
which
I
mean
that
happens
all
the
time.
I
F
A
I
think
we
should
allow
our
consultant
to
give
us
his
report,
is
he
here
or
on
the
line,
or
I
have
him
online.
O
O
Thank
you
yeah.
I'm
still
married,
thank
god,
yeah
thanks
for
thanks
for
having
me
on.
I
I've
done
work
for
the
bureau
of
homeland
security
before
in
idaho,
and
I
think
it
was
about
five
six
seven
years
ago
talked
about
firstnet
spectrum
for
firstnet.
O
So
it's
a
great
opportunity
for
me
to
talk
to
ada
county
again.
So
thank
you.
M
F
F
A
quick
10
minute
overview
and
maybe
allow
five
minutes
then
for
q,
a.
O
Awesome
so
I
had
a
chance
to
review
all
the
information
that
leon
provided
for
both
the
applicant
and
appellate,
and
the
conclusion
that
I
came
to
is
really
that
you
know
the
the
applicant
didn't
provide
comprehensive
technical
information
to
to
really
justify
building
that
new
tower,
and
I
feel
that
they
also
did
not
provide
enough
information
to
necessarily
deny
it
either.
O
When
I
look
at
this
from
a
common
sense
approach,
you
know
looking
at
some
of
the
different
discussions
that
have
gone
to
rssi
and
and-
and
you
know,
calls
in
the
field
from
various
locations
and
using
broadband
in
home
versus
you
know,
voice
calls.
I
think
you
know,
there's
there's
a
lot
to
get
confused
about.
O
So
the
common
sense
approach
that
I
like
is
really
based
on
on.
You
know
over
25
years
of
of
doing
this,
so
just
a
brief
background.
I
started
with
research
and
development
on
cdma
technologies
in
1997
with
qualcomm,
and
I
worked
with
several
carriers
working
my
way
up
through
the
ranks
in
the
rf
engineering
field.
O
O
We
currently
focus
on
private
wireless
networks,
so
we
build.
We
primarily
focus
now
on
building
lte
networks,
private
lte
networks
for
underprivileged
students,
so
we've
built
quite
a
few
of
those
networks
and
so
we're
building
both
unlicensed
and
licensed
networks
to
on
the
private
side.
O
One
case
is
as
you're
driving
to
work
from
your
house
or
driving
on
your
favorite
route.
We
all
know
that
there's
various
routes
where
there's,
obviously
you
know
drops
in
coverage
right.
Where
you
tell
somebody
hey,
I
might
have
to
call
you
back,
because
I'm
gonna
drop
a
call,
it's
common
sense
stuff.
You
don't
have
to
know
how
the
watch
is
built.
You
just
know
that
it
works
right.
O
The
other
one
is,
is
you
could
pull
up
in
your
driveway?
You
go
into
your
home
and
let's
say
you
go
into
your
kitchen
or
your
office
and
it
worked
fine
outside,
but
then
you
dropped
your
call
inside
now.
When
you
talk
about
removing
a
cell
tower
and
especially
when
you
look
at
the
area
in
the
distances,
you
know
that
this
this
area
serves
now
and
then
also
in
the
future.
You
get
the
future
plans
for
the
community.
O
If
you
remove
those
towers
and
you
look
at
the
good
for
the
greater
citizens
for
the
both
the
current
and
the
forecasted
communities
you
know
and
how
that
impacts
the
citizens,
I
can
tell
you
from
a
common
sense
approach
that
if
you
remove
those
towers,
it
has
to
be
a
very
well
studied
in
a
very
well
presented
case
to
to
deny
those
towers
from
being
built
or
for
for
building
towers.
The
same
case.
O
O
So
you
know
looking
at
it
at
the
technical
data.
I
actually
think
that
there's
going
to
be
some
carriers
that
are
going
to
have
a
higher
need
higher
than
verizon,
and
I
also
don't
see
the
data
really
showing
you
know
a
comprehensive
drive
test.
That
shows
you
know
what
it
would
look
like
if
you
filter
that
side
out,
so
you
don't
have
to
turn
that
side
on
and
off.
O
You
can
look
at
rsrp
and
rsrq
and
all
the
other
things
that
that
you
heard
about,
but
I'm
you
know
I
I
always
look
at
it
like.
What's
the
greater
good
of
the
community
and
and
if
you're
going
to
remove
both
of
those
sites
or
if
you're
going
to
remove
one
site
and
not
build
the
other
and
you're
going
to
have
that
void,
then
what
are
you
really
missing
and
I
feel
obviously
not
having
all
the
data
to
run
predictions.
O
O
O
You
take
that
away
with
today's
technology,
and
you
know
a
critical,
a
critical
phone
call,
whether
it's
you
know
an
active
shooter
somewhere
or
whether
it's
a
loved
one
inside
a
home.
Those
are
those
are
all
very
important
things
to
consider.
So
my
recommendation
would
be
to
certainly
have
a
more
comprehensive
analysis
done
with
comprehensive
drive
test,
make
sure
that
the
predictions
are
complete
and
then
also
on
the
non-technical
side,
really
look
at
population
forecasts
and
how
that
affects
not
just
verizon
but
all
the
carriers
for
consolidation.
F
So
I'm
looking
mr
valdez,
I'm
looking
at
your
recommendations
on
exhibit
32a
and
you
don't
have
the
recommendation
that
you
just
gave
us
which
is
look
at
long-term
trending
population
data.
Do
you
have
that
on
here
and
I'm
dismissing
it
or
do
we
need
to
add
that.
O
F
I
was
looking
for
population
and
you
use
subscribers:
okay,
okay,
good
all
right
so
going
through
all
of
these
recommendations.
So
I
just
want
to
double
check
with
you
now
that
we
have
this
on
the
record.
So
you
feel,
like
the
original
applicant,
failed
to
provide
that
information.
Forecasted
population
subscribers.
O
Absolutely
yeah,
I
know
that
any
any
time
you
know
the
the
standard
kind
of
sop
for
you
know,
presenting
to
any
board
in
any
jurisdiction
would
be
to
have
a
complete,
comprehensive,
technical
and
non-technical
business
case
for
building
that
site.
So
I
feel
like
it
was
definitely
missed.
Okay,.
F
M
O
That's
right,
yeah.
They
were
just
sample
points,
so
you
go
to
one
sample
point
and
then
you
collect
information
and
you
just
it's.
It's
kind
of
a
an
easier
and
a
cheaper
way
of
presenting.
You
know,
here's
what
coverage
looks
like
and
but
you
know
for
something,
that's
as
important
as
this.
You
need
a
comprehensive
drive
test
that
doesn't
show
just
you
know
certain
points
in
certain
geographical
areas.
It
has
to
be
a
continuous
collected,
drive
test
throughout
all
the
major
areas
in
that
community.
F
Okay
and
then
they
failed,
do
you
feel
like
they
failed
to
provide
or
ele
or
evaluate
the
technical
data
for
all
the
wireless
carriers
for
this
location,
and
the
reason
I
asked
that
is
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
is
that
that's
privileged
information
and
you're
saying
that
they
could
get
that
technical
data
for
the
other
wireless
carriers.
O
Yeah
yeah,
you
can
you,
can
you
know
a
lot
of
the
carriers
have
scanners.
Obviously,
verizon
is
protecting
their
own
interests,
but
it's
it's.
It's
common
for
somebody
to
do
a
a
multi-carrier
drive
test
where
you
can
take
a
look
at
all
of
the
technologies
that
you
measure
within.
You
know
that
area.
So,
okay,.
F
And
then
the
alternative
locations,
so
that's
one
thing
that
we've
just
been
getting
from
cell
phone
tower
applicants
or
applicants
of
this
type
is
basically
that
we
looked
at
them
and
they
aren't
appropriate,
so
they
won't
work.
So
what
should
this
board
be?
Looking
at
in
terms
of
analyzing,
alternative
location
data.
O
It's
really
going
to
have
to
come
from
whoever
the
applicant
is,
whether
it's
verizon
at
t
or
t-mobile.
If
you
have
other
locations,
the
heat
maps
that
are
provided
should
be
highly
accurate
and
they
should
have
good
excellent
resolution.
So
it
shouldn't
look
like
a
single
blob
on
a
map
and
it's
really
up
to
them
to
take
a
look
at
those
alternate
candidates
and
and
provide
really
accurate
maps
that
helps
paint
a
better
picture.
F
Did?
Okay,
that's
right!
Okay,
great!
So
I'm
just
reading
through
these-
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
get
it
all.
On
the
record.
The
applicant
failed
to
provide
validate
validation
for
coverage
maps.
O
Yeah
and
one
of
the
one
of
the
best
practices
that
I
would
initiate
for
my
engineering
teams
would
would
be
to
get
in
front
of
you
know
an
audience
and,
and
obviously
you
don't
want
to
get
too
far
in
the
weeds.
But
you
want
to
give
them
some
confidence
that
that
heat
map
that
you're
showing
has
been
validated,
and
so
you
can
validate
that
by
a
couple
of
ways.
O
You
can
spend
a
lot
of
money
and
purchase
models
that
have
been
previously
tuned
or
you
can
have
your
own
engineers
go
out
and
create
tuned
models.
So
as
a
side
note
during
my
presentations
as
I
would
make
sure
that
we
would
cover
that
topic
so
you're,
seeing
this
heat
map
and
here's
the
supporting
information
that
it
is
accurate
and
it
has
been
properly
tuned
for
that
morphology
or
for
that
given
area.
F
Excellent,
okay,
fantastic
and
then
I'm
really
interested
in
your
last
bullet
point
tell
us
more
about
exploring
other
options.
Now
this
one
is
not
a
traditional
cell
phone
tower.
This
is
broadband
right,
so
on
this
one
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
different
than
what
we've
been
dealing
with,
but
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
what
we
should
be
encouraging
folks
to
do.
The
multi-carrier,
outdoor
dos
or
small
cell
does
that
actually
work
in
real
communities.
O
It
took
a
little
more
time
to
build,
but
due
to
zoning
and
towers
and
all
the
issues
that
we
face
now
30
of
the
geographical
area
of
that
market
was
served
by
by
by
small
cell.
So
just
you
know
no
more
than
you
know,
25
to
30
feet.
High
looks
like
a
light
pole,
and
it
has
you
know
your
lte
technology
built
into
it
that
again
provides
both
voice
and
data.
O
It's
just
a
a
little
more
elegant,
it's
obviously
more
expensive,
but
it
helps
ease
some
of
these
tensions
of
building
massive
towers.
So
you
have
a
lot
of
communities
throughout
the
us
that
are
being
served.
C
O
Yeah,
there's
there's
two
ways
to
look
at
this.
A
lot
of
a
lot
of
jurisdictions
are
not
as
thorough
as
what
you
are
right
and
there's,
and
and
obviously
that
you
know,
there's
there's
sensitivities
involved
that
are
a
little
bit
higher
than
they
could
be
in
other
areas.
O
So
there's
there's
kind
of
a
an
easy
way
to
present
that,
and
I
think
that
the
applicant's
method
was
was
simple
and
kind
of
fast
track,
hoping
that
you
know
hey
we're
we're
losing
one
site
we're
going
to
build
another.
So
you
know
here's
some
supporting
information
and,
let's
just
see
if
it
sticks
right
and
that's
I've
certainly
seen
that
every
engineering
organization
that
I've
been
a
part
of
from
coast
coast.
O
O
To
the
community,
what
are
the
forecasted
covered
subs,
and
what
does
this
mean
to
the
carrier
and
what
kind
of
services
does
this
provide?
What
is
the
risk
of
not
doing
it?
All
of
that
stuff
should
be
included.
So
you
know
all
of
my
experience
in
my
guidelines
and
all
the
organizations
that
I've
been
a
part
of
throughout
the
years
have
certainly
presented
it
in
that
manner.
However,
I've
also
seen
him
you
know
presented
in
the
manner
that
has
been
presented
to
you,
which
is
more
of
like
a
30
000
foot
level
proposal.
C
O
Well,
if
I
was,
if
I
was
sitting
in
your
in
your
seat-
and
I
was
part
of
ada
county,
I
would
I
would
make
any
and
all
you
know
wireless
wireless
broadband.
I
don't
care
if
it's
a
wireless
isp
or
if
it's
a
mno,
a
mobile
network
operator,
I
would
have
very
clear
requirements
as
a
part
of
the
application,
so
that
they're
not
wasting
your
time
and
that
should
be
very
clear
and
concise.
So
you
get
all
the
information
you're,
confident
with
the
information,
and
you
have
that
information
to
make
a
clear
decision.
O
So
that
could
be
something
that
you
know
you
guys
could
have
in
your
back
pocket
for
all
future
discussions,
and-
and
that's
probably
you
know,
another
recommendation
is
that
you
know
I
could
work
with
leon
and
provide
them
again,
simple,
clear,
concise,
just
a
checklist
that
would
help
you
guys
out.
C
A
Okay,
any
other
questions.
No,
I
know
all
right
well.
Thank
you,
mr
valdez,
appreciate
that
I
believe
that
now
in
in
the
course
of
due
process,
we
will
allow
the
applicant
original
applicant
to
give
some
testimony.
Only
related
to
what's
been
presented
to
us
is
the
applicant
in
in
the
room.
A
Okay.
Okay,
if
you
limit
your
your
your
testimony,
we'll
give
you
10
minutes
and
limit
your
comments
to
what
has
been
presented
to
us.
Okay,
go
ahead
and
restart
restart.
It.
F
Is
mr
valdez
still
on
he's
still
pregnant?
Okay
guys,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
he's
still
available
to
listen.
Q
You
very
much
when
we
get
that
up
there,
I'm
going
to
blow
through
some
of
this
it's
longer
than
I
think
10
minutes,
but
I'm
going
to
trim
it
to
to
get
to
10.
the
the
first
thing
I
want
to
mention:
let's,
if
we
can
start.
Q
I
want
to
make
a
couple
of
corrections.
The
first
thing
I
want
to
mention
is
that
it's
it's
clear
from,
and
he's
obviously
very
knowledgeable.
Your
consultant
what's
clear
to
me
from
listening
to
him
in
the
is
that
his
recommendations
are
to
for
amendments
to
code
going
forward.
If
those
had
been
in
ada
county
code,
when
we
made
our
application,
we
would
have
complied
with
those
as
it
is.
Q
We
complied
with
what
with
the
requirements
that
were
in
ada
county
code
on
the
date
that
we
on
the
date
that
we
made
application
if
we're
held
to
the
standard
that
was
set
forward
so
forth
today,
that's
moving
the
goal
posts
and
we're
charlie
brown
and
lucy's
snagging
the
football
out
from
under
us.
We
we
complied
with
what
we
needed
to
was
in
in
place
at
the
time
we
applied
one
other
quick
question
or
quick,
clear
clarification.
This
isn't
this
isn't
just
broadband.
Q
This
is
verizon
as
well
as
intermax,
and
we've
also
got
t-mobile
in
talks
with
negotiations
for
a
ta
to
locate
on
this
tower
and
just
heard
that
at
t
also
wants
to
locate
on
this
tower.
So
the
likelihood
is
that
this
tower
is
going
to
go
in
with
four
carriers,
which
is
the
multi-carrier
scenario
that
he
said
is
the
best
scenario.
Q
That's
what
we're
proposing
here
today
and
part
of
it's
that
the
application
process
and
the
hearing
process
have
gone
on
long
enough
that
they've
these
carriers
have
determined
that
they
need
coverage
in
that
area
and
and
part
of
it
is
just
that
they
need
coverage
in
that
area.
I'm
gonna
turn
it
to
to
steve.
If
we
can
speed
through
to,
I
think
slide,
four.
R
Steve
kennedy,
11142,
northwest
165th,
drive
suite
343,
surprise
arizona,
mr
chair
commissioners,
the
blm
property
does
not
fill
the
coverage
gap,
so
the
models
that
your
consultants
spoke
of
these
are
tuned
models.
These
are
these
are
done.
These
propagation
models
are
done
out
of
the
atoll
software,
which
takes
into
account
terrain,
clutter,
heat
maps,
tuned
data,
and
so
these
are
700
megahertz
tuned
data
models.
These
were
tuned
with
drive
data,
so
these
are
highly
specific
models
for
this
area.
R
R
Nothing
makes
a
wireless
customer
more
upset
than
losing
having
coverage
and
then
losing
it.
This
was
from
verizon
next
slide,
as
reported
by
your
consultant
cell
sites
that
are
further
away,
provide
a
much
higher
risk
for
unreliable
coverage.
While
areas
like
blm
are
easier
to
build,
they
may
not
provide
the
light
for
viable
coverage
needed
to
serve
voice
services
that
provided
over
lte
voice
services
are
significantly
important.
This
is
a
cell
phone
tower.
We
can
talk
about
broadband.
We
can
talk
about
all
sorts
of
fun
things.
This
is
a
cell
phone
tower.
R
The
phones
need
to
be
able
to
talk
to
the
tower.
So
you
can
talk
to
the
other
party
on
the
other
side
of
the
line.
Potential
bmlm
site
number
one.
If
you
look
at
the
blue
circle,
that's
what
the
existing
proposed
sites
create.
So
if
we
look
at
blm
site
number
one
to
the
northwest,
it
does
not
provide
in-building
service
in
the
area
where
there
are
houses
next
slide,
blm
site
number.
Two
that
I
ran.
R
R
So
we
have
blm
one
two
and
three
on
the
left.
You
look
in
the
blue
circle.
Look
at
the
blue
circle
on
the
right.
That's
the
proposed
site,
which
one
provides
the
best
service
green
is
indoor
yellow,
is
in
vehicle.
Red
is
open
field,
so
with
9-1-1
in
your
consultant's,
own
report
talked
about
9-1-1
voice
being
very
important,
and
so
we
have
to
make
sure
we
have
good
voice
service
or
cell
phone
coverage
service
next
slide.
R
So
this
is
a
zoom
in
let's
look
at
the
same
area
inside
the
blue
circle.
What
does
the
proposed
site
do?
It
replaces
the
existing
site
look
at
the
three
sites
on
the
left
for
the
blm
property.
Do
they
do
the
same?
No,
they
do
not.
They
provide
open
field
or
in-vehicle.
They
do
not
provide
in-door
service
to
the
existing
area
where
the
subscribers
currently
have
indoor
service
next
slide.
R
R
So
this
was
the
drive
testing
data.
We
gave
you
last
time
we
were
here.
We
looked
at
verizon
with
the
existing
site
turned
on.
We
looked
at
t-mobile.
We
looked
at
att,
reviewed
all
those
with
a
scanner
provided
you
data
points
to
show.
I
can
understand
your
consultant
wanting
40
lambda
with
drive
test
and
be
able
to
get
up
and
down
the
road,
but
up
and
down
the
main
roads
is
not
all
of
the
coverage,
so
I
tried
to
represent
what
this
site
was
doing
next
slide,
so
the
opponents
have
argued
incorrectly.
R
Their
verizons
and
willingness
to
turn
off
its
existing
silo
site
should
be
fatal
to
our
cup.
As
noted,
there's
no
need
to
disable
from
the
consultant
he's
correct.
If
you
have
the
drive
test
gear
that
cost
a
lot
of
money,
you
can
do
that
and
that's
what
verizon
has
verizon
has
the
test
gear.
I
do
not.
R
R
So
what
were
the
differences
on
the
left?
The
existing
site
was
on
air,
so
we
noticed
remember:
green
indoor,
yellow
in
vehicle
orange
red
open
field,
so
we've
got
rsrp
levels
of
on-air,
we're
showing
some
indoor
we're
showing
some
open
in
vehicle,
we're
showing
some
open
field.
You
look
at
the
site
on
the
slide
on
the
right
or
the
part
of
the
right.
That's
showing
that
site
is
off
air.
We
have
one
particular
data
point
where
we
have
no
reading
and
we've
got
more
we're
dropping
to
end
vehicle
and
outdoor
service.
R
So
we
are
removing
indoor
service
being
provided
to
verizon
subscribers
in
this
area
by
removing
the
existing
site
and
not
allowing
the
proposed
to
go
on
next
slide.
So
the
county's
con,
your
consultant
recognizes
the
population
increases
for
the
area.
The
need
for
t-mobile
to
provide
acceptable
coverage
will
be
a
priority
high
probability
that
other
carriers
will
also
seek
well.
They
have
for
so
verizon
wants
to
be
on
there.
Intermax
wants
to
be
on
there.
R
T-Mobile
is
negotiating
a
lease
to
currently
to
locate
on
that
multi-carrier
tower,
and
we
just
learned
that
att
wants
to
apply
to
the
same
tower.
So
now
your
consultant
said
one
tower:
multi-tenant
is
better
than
four
separate
towers,
so
we've
met
that
criteria.
We're
agreeing
with
the
consultant.
Let's
put
everybody
on
it,
next
slide
all
right,
so
this
was
once
again
the
drive
test
for
t-mobile
our
average
site
distance
to
our
neighbors
is
3.35.
R
Our
average
rsrp
is
101,
which
is
open
field
and
our
rsrq
is
poor.
Go
to
the
next
slide.
Okay,
the
on-site
drive
test.
This
is
where
I
did
speed
checks.
Latency
throughput.
We
can
see
some
areas
where
we're
having
we're
meeting
t-mobile's
criteria
that
they've
posted
on
their
website.
We
have
a
whole
lot
of
red
red
is
bad,
so
it's
not
doing
a
good
job
in
the
area
for
t-mobile
subscribers,
because
the
sites
are
too
far
away.
R
Next
slide
on-site
drive
test
for
att.
We've
got
some
in-vehicle
coverage.
We've
got
some
outdoor
coverage.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
indoor
coverage,
att
distance,
the
same
they're
on
the
same
sites
t-mobile's
on
3.35
miles.
So
it's
not
a
good
job.
Next
slide,
18
t's,
a
lot
of
red
on
the
throughput
download.
Let
me
get
to
the
next
slide
so.
Q
We'll
rely
on
the
property
values,
information
we
submitted
with
our
application
and
also
our
supplemental,
but
I
want
to
get
to
some
other
some
other
information
on
this
keep
going
a
little
keep
going
going,
keep
going
a
lot
legal
arguments
raised
by
the
we
just
ask
you
to
trust
your
own
legal
counsel
and
I'm
sure
that's
what
you'll
do,
but
that's
what
we'd
ask
you
to
do
next.
M
Q
Here
next
next,
next,
this
tower
is
different,
and
what
do
I
mean
by
that
and
I'll
close
with
this?
Actually
I'm
going
to
go
close
with
an
image
in
a
couple
of
slides,
but
first
this
is
a
replacement
tower.
It's
located
next
to
76
foot
tall,
existing
power
line
poles,
so
it's
only
24
feet
taller.
If
I
may
finish.
Q
It
truly
is
a
multi-carrier
tower,
quoting
the
report
by
the
consultant.
A
multi-carrier
tower
can
benefit
communities
because
it
ensures
that
less
towers
are
built
within
a
given
geographical
area.
Consolidation
of
wireless
carries
on
a
single
tower,
saves
time
and
resources
for
all
parties
involved,
as
we
mentioned
earlier,
verizon
and
intermax
are
both
committed.
Q
Q
This
is
just
to
show
you
what
what
we're
talking
about
when
we
say
more
than
one
tower
on
the
left
is
what
we've
proposed
a
single
four
carrier
tower
to
get
that
same
coverage
with
four
one
carrier
towers
is
gonna.
Take
those
four
those
four
towers,
we're
not
gonna,
be
able
to
do
it
on
a
single
tower,
we're
going
to
have
four
times
as
many
or
four
more
hearings
on
on
this,
like
this
for
towers
within
that
that
search
or
that
coverage
area.
If
we
don't
get
this
one
approved,
okay,
stand
for
questions.
A
F
Q
Q
They
can't
do
anything,
that's
personally
identifying,
so
they
can't
show
a
location
for
a
subscriber
within
a
house
that
I
could
then
look
at
the
gis
and
and
see
that
person's
address
and
and
where
they
live
and
and
that
they're
a
subscriber
with
that
said,
one
of
the
most
one
of
the
most
telling
factors
that
we
we
saw
in
the
information
that
was
supplemented
was
from
staff,
and
that
was
the
compass
estimate
that
there
are
approximately
22
977
existing
households
within
that
that
five
mile
radius
and
applications
submitted
for
14,
154,
more
significant
amount
of
population
and
and
due
to.
A
Q
Yeah,
I
think
what
he's
asking
for
is,
I
think
we
and
we
provided
far
more
than
is
required
by
ada
county
code.
Do
we
provide
as
much
as
he's
asking
for?
I
don't
believe
we
do.
I
think
we're
really
close.
We
just
don't
provide
any,
not
any,
but
we
don't
provide
raw
data
that
that's
behind
those
atoll
maps,
those
tuned
coverage
maps,
because
that's
what
was
required
in
in
ada
county
code,
when
we
submitted,
in
fact
it
specifically
says,
submit
propagation
maps
that
that
show
the
the
need
for
coverage.
M
Q
Att
one
is
within
a
couple
of
months
the
because
they've
they
haven't
reached
out
to
us.
We've
just
got
the
buzz
that
they're
going
to
t-mobile
has
been
in
in
discussions.
I
expect
that
to
be
pretty
imminent.
Q
I'm
sorry
so
again
you
can't
really
count
buzz.
No,
that's
that's
a
fair
point
chairman
beck
in
the
industry,
though
it's
pretty
tight-knit
industry
and
when
you
hear
something
like
that
through
reliable
sources,
it's
probably
true
all.
A
N
A
If
the
the
appellant
wants
to
wants
to
take
a
few
minutes,
10
minutes,
we
can
allow
for
that,
because
then
that
gives
us
a
complete
due
process.
Does
the
appellant
want
to
talk?
Apparently
not
that
would
be
mr
de
haas
or
mr
allen.
I
Yeah
chairman,
mr
haas,
was
not
the
appellant
louis
speicher
or
brad
bentley
have
been
the
primary
appellants,
so
people
who
are
coming
up
speak
now
aren't
part
of
the
identity.
F
A
Okay,
well,
if
brad
bentley
is
on
the
line
and
would
like
to
speak,
you
can
go.
A
T
Let
me
see
if
I
can
share
video
as
well.
T
T
F
J
T
Yeah,
I
guess
I
guess
it
was
it.
Was
there
the
new
drive,
the
the
new
information
was
the
drive
time
that
they
just
said
that
they
did
last
night
where
they
turned
the
tower
on
and
off.
That
was
not.
You
know,
privy
to
any
of
that
information.
I
mean
we
went
through
the
process
to
have
a
third
party.
T
Do
the
analysis,
because
we
all
agree
that
none
of
us
are
rf
engineers
and
we
need
a
chance
for
them
to
evaluate
a
recommendation
which
that
recommendation
seemed
very
clear
in
the
in
terms
of
the
applicant
has
not
provided
comprehensive,
drive
test
data.
They
have
not
provided
an
empirical
data
for
removing
the
silo
will
have
an
impact
stayed
at
the
top.
T
In
one
point,
we
did
eight
different
points
all
the
way
around
called
from
multiple
carriers.
It
was
in
the
written
testimony
and
cell
service
is
fine
and
even
the
propagation
maps
are
fine
and
propagation
maps
aren't
even
the
right.
You
know,
that's
not
real
data.
Those
are
those
are
pictures,
so
we've
provided
the
actual
data
numbers,
and
so
I'm
just
a
little
confused.
T
Why
you
know
we
we
go
out
to
a
third
party
to
get
the
recommendation,
which
seems
very
clear
and
we're
looking
at
all
new
data
from
towers
that
were
shut
off
the
night
before
so
I
guess
that's
that's.
My
first
ask
is
this:
is
the
fourth
time
around
and
it
isn't
a
t-mobile
or
you
know,
started
with
verizon's
gonna
have
a
problem
if
they
lose
the
tower,
then
last
time
around
it
was
t-mobile.
T
Now
it's
we
should
approve
the
tower
because
there's
four
carriers,
the
the
burden
of
proof
that
there's
a
significant
gap
of
coverage
is
on
the
wireless
provider
and
they
have
failed
to
provide
that
evidence
to
this
to
this
commission.
We've
we've
then
conducted
a
third
party
that
also
said
that
the
wireless
power
has
failed
to
produce
evidence
that
there
is
a
significant
gap
in
coverage.
T
The
other
pieces
I
would
cover.
Is
the
commissioners
asked
about
the
the
impact
of
property
value?
There
was
two
things:
there
was
an
appraisal
that
showed
the
impact
of
property
value
loss
just
two
miles
away
of
nine
percent,
as
well
as
the
broker
letter
that
also
indicated
as
such,
and
then.
Lastly,
last
time
we
came
jordan
from
good
life.
T
Farms,
which
is
less
than
400
feet
from
the
tower,
runs
a
family-owned
farming
business
and
she
had
conducted
a
pretty
extensive
survey
of
her
300
customers,
with
30
response
rate
and
over
90
percent
voting,
that
they
would
consider
an
alternative
farming
option,
given
that
they
are
an
organic
farm
underneath
this
proposed
cell
tower.
So
it
does
property
harm
and
it
would
run
the
risk
of
of
jordan
and
her
and
her
husband,
thomas
losing
losing
their
home
potentially.
So
I
think
we
have
brought
the
data
to
you
guys
real
data
with
with
real
numbers.
T
We've
gone
through
a
third
party
consultant
who
has
given
you
know,
line
by
line
the
lack
of
evidence
needed
to
support
significant
gap
in
coverage
and
even
in
the
data
that
they
just
showed
that
shutting
the
tower
that
night
did
it
move
so
poor.
It
moved
to
good
and
fair
and
when
they
show
the
propagation
maps
of
green.
That's
just
in-home
coverage,
which
is
not
protected
by
the
till
communications
act.
T
So
I
believe
there
is
plenty
of
evidence
to
to
support
the
denial
of
this
application
or
the
approval
of
my
appeal
that
they
have
failed
to
give
significant
gap
in
coverage
and
that
this
does
have
a
negative
impact
on
property
values
for
the
community.
Thank
you
for
the
time.
F
The
record:
are
you
an
employee
of
johnson
may
law
or
how
are
you
related
to
the
applicant
louis
speicher,.
T
He's
my
lawyer,
I
I
decided
just
to
represent
myself,
but
he
was
representing
me.
The
appellant.
A
G
A
Okay,
the
application
is
before
us
is
there?
Is
there
a
motion
or
anybody
want
to
kick
it
off.
A
F
So
I
think
yeah
I
can
kind
of
kick
off
the
deliberations
here.
You
know
this
has
been
just
a
constant
battle
and
balancing
act
battled
in
the
community
and
balancing
act
for
pnz
and
for
us.
So
I
think
this
was
a
really
great
step
in
the
right
direction:
hiring
outside
consultants
and
a
neutral
consultant
to
really
kind
of
take
a
look
and
help
us
analyze
what
we're
looking
at
and
I
I
don't
think
that
by
incorporating
any
recommendations
from
the
third
party
changes
or
warrants
changing
our
code,
I
think
this
is
all
in
code.
F
So
I'd
be
I'd,
be
inclined
to
to
approve
the
the
appellant's
appeal
here
and
overturn
the
planning
zones
decision,
so
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
headed
with
all
of
this
and
again
they
can
always
come
back
now.
Knowing
that
that
this
board
is
asking
has
been
asking
for
more
information,
better
information,
more
thorough
information.
I
think
this
sets
the
standard
and
sets
the
protocol
that
we've
been
trying
to
get
at
for
the
last
two
years.
So
that's
kind
of
the
direction
I'm
headed.
C
C
It
is
within
the
commission's
purview
to
sort
of
interpret
the
language
of
our
ordinance
as
to
what
it
would
would
constitute.
I
think
you
know
the.
As
commissioner
kenyon
says,
the
cell
phone
companies
can
come
back,
they
can
bring
more
information
and
I'm
sure
in
the
future.
They'll.
C
C
So
I
think
that's
a
step
in
the
right
direction
to
start
to
get
those
lined
up,
but
you
know
we
did
hire
this
consultant
to
to
kind
of
lay
a
framework
for
us,
and
you
know
he's
made
some
good
recommendations
and
I
think
we
can.
We
can
look
at
those
for
this
case
and
moving
forward.
F
You
know
another
thought
is
if
we
wanted
to,
we
could
table
this
for
say
a
month
or
two
out,
instead
of
denying
it
allow
the
original
applicant
to
go
back
out
and
to
work
with
staff,
now
that
we
have
better
understanding
and
direction
on
what
we're
looking
for
gather
this
additional
information,
because
it's
very
clear
in
here
what
we're
looking
for.
In
addition,
that
gives
them
time
to
have
a
letter
of
intent
from
these
other
three
to
four
carriers
that
would
co-locate
on
this
site,
because
I
agree,
we
don't
want
four
towers.
F
A
Well,
I'd
agree
with
that
in
that
that
the
the
possibility
of
having
four
companies
on
one
tower,
that
is
intriguing
and
it
would
be,
I
think,
beneficial
to
the
community,
and
I
I
think
you
could
probably
get
some
support.
If
you
made
a
motion.
G
M
G
F
F
No,
we
give
him
a
month
to
two
months,
I'm
looking
at
richard
for
a
date,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
leon
has
the
time
as
well,
because
he'll
be
working
with
the
appellant
and
applicant
on
this
one.
So
I
don't
want
to.
I
know:
we've
been
burdening
our
staff
so
make
sure
we've
got
plenty
of
time.
This
one
doesn't
have
a
shot
clock
right.
G
Yeah,
mr
chairman,
I'll,
let
leon
add
his
his
thoughts
here,
but
you
know
my
thought
is
obviously,
if
I
remember
you
know
the
facts
in
this
case
that
there's
a
potential
decommissioning
of
a
tower.
So
I
guess
I
would
suggest
targeting
the
next
public
hearing
and
seeing
where
they're
at
at
that
point.
Unless
leanne
has
some
other
commitments,
it
would
make
more
sense
to
move
it
to
november.
I
I
believe
so,
chairman
commissioners,
I,
as
an
alternative.
You
know
you
can
remand
this
back
to
pnz
and
have
them
evaluate
it.
I
know
it
has
the
potential
to
be
appealed
back
to
you,
but
if
we're
adding
a
lot
of
additional
information
to
the
record
again,
this
is
where
I
would
ask
our
representative
to
to
help
answer
this,
and
maybe
if
that
means
we
table
tonight
to
have
an
executive
session
discussion
later.
That's
fine,
but
you
know
we
are
augmenting
this
original
record
from
the
pnz
pretty
substantially.
So
as
long
as.
I
Works,
I
just
don't.
I
mean
part
of
the
appeal
is
to
evaluate
the
decision
made
by
the
guiding
body
below
you
and
we've
already
added
quite
a
bit
of
information
that
they
didn't
get
a
chance
to
look
at.
So
that
would
be
my
only
concern.
That
being
said,
we
are
also
subject
to
as
it's
known,
shot
clock
standards
and
I
would
venture
a
guest
would
probably
way
outside
of
those
by
now
anyways.
So
just
those
challenges
that
we
face
in
either
direction
we
go.
So
that's
my
only
thought,
but
I
can.
V
F
Well,
mr
chair
yeah,
you
know
I
like
that
I
like
having
another
set
of
eyes
on
this
and
pnz
sent
it
to
us,
and
so
I
think,
with
all
of
the
like
leon,
said
the
augmented
record.
Now
additional
information
and
whatnot,
I
think
I'll
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion.
F
So
if
you're
ready
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion
on
202
102816-a,
I
moved
to
remand
that
this
application
back
to
planning
and
zoning
committee
for
a
new
hearing
based
on
the
upcoming
changes
not
to
the
upcoming
changes
but
based
on
the
additional
information
that
was
submitted
here.
The
testimony
that
was
submitted
here
tonight
in
particular.
F
It
allows
them
time
to
look
at
the
new
drive
study
that
was
conducted
late
last
night,
that
no
one
has
really
had
a
chance
to
kind
of
dig
into,
and
then
it
also
gives
time
for
the
original
applicant
to
come
up
with
letters
I
think
of
intent
to
co-locate,
which
would
be
very
helpful
as
well.
So
that's
my
motion.
A
You
all
right.
Moving
on
to
new
business.
Now
we
have,
I
will
open
a
public
hearing
on
application.
Two
zero,
two:
two
zero
one:
seven
one,
seven
v,
p
r.
F
October
12th,
mr
chair
I'll,
make
the
motion
to
table
two
zero.
Two
two
zero
one:
seven
one:
seven
v,
p
r,
two
october
twelfth
twenty
twenty
2022.
A
A
L
Is
a
zone
lawrence
map,
amendment
development
agreement
and
variance
to
allow
a
non-conforming
parcel
created
prior
to
january
1st
1985
in
the
rural
preservation
district
to
be
eligible
for
a
building
permit,
the
property's
low,
contains
4.99
acres
and
is
located
on
south
isley
avenue
off
of
east
columbia.
Road
in
section
10,
township
to
north
range,
three
east.
The
applicant
has
applied
for
his
own
audience
map
amendment
to
rezone
the
property
from
the
rural
preservation
district
to
the
rural
residential
district.
Along
with
the
development
agreement,
the
property
is
not
located
in
area
of
c
impact.
L
L
The
project
also
includes
an
application
for
variants
to
allow
a
non-conforming
parcel
to
be
eligible
for
a
building
permit
section.
8-1
b-2
of
the
a-county
code
provides
regulations
for
non-conforming
properties
and
standards
to
determine
if
properties
are
eligible
for
building
permits.
The
regulations
of
section
8-1
b-2.
L
Are
they
accounting
codes
applicable
to
properties
that
were
of
record
in
the
a
country
recorder's
office
prior
to
january,
1st
1985.,
the
subject
property
was
created
and
of
record
in
a
can
recorder's
office
on
january
16
1984,
which
is
before
that
january
1st
1985
date,
a
property
shall
be
deemed
conforming
and
shall
be
eligible
for
building
permits
if
it
meets
the
dimensional
standards
for
the
base
district
and
which
is
now
located
the
subject.
Property
is
only
4.99
acres,
which
is
less
than
the
required
10
acres
of
minimum
parcel
size
for
the
proposed
rural
residential
district.
L
The
property
shall
be
probably
shall
be
deemed
conforming
and
shall
be
eligible
for
building
permits
if
it
meets
one
of
the
following
standards.
One,
the
property
met
the
dimensional
standards
for
the
applicable
base
district.
At
the
time
it
was
created,
two,
a
dwelling
of
syrian
defined
was
constructed
or
placed
on
the
property
prior
to
january,
1st
1985
provide
in
the
event
that
the
dwelling
is
subsequently
damaged
or
destroyed
by
fire
flood
explosion,
wind
earthquake
war,
riot
calamity
rather
catastrophic
event.
After
january
1st
1985,
the
property
remains
eligible
for
a
building
permit.
L
The
subject:
property
did
not
meet
the
dimensional
standards
for
the
base
district.
At
the
time
the
property
was
created
when
the
property
was
created
with
zone
g1,
which
required
a
minimum
parcel
size
of
80
acres.
In
addition,
there
was
not
dwelling
on
the
property
before
january.
First
1985.,
therefore,
for
the
property
to
be
boldable,
the
board
would
need
to
approve
of
a
variance
to
allow
the
non-conforming
parcel
to
be
eligible
for
a
building
permit,
in
order
to
grant
a
variance,
there's
three
findings
that
need
to
be
made
one.
L
The
variant
should
not
grant
a
writer's
special
privilege.
That
is
not
otherwise
allowed
in
the
base
district.
Two,
the
variance
released,
undue
hardship
due
to
characteristics
of
the
site
and
three
of
the
variants
should
not
be
detrimental
to
the
public
health
safety
and
welfare
staff.
Funds
at
the
variance
does
not
constitute
granting
of
a
special
right
of
privilege
because
there
are
other
properties
in
the
neighborhood
which
have
homes
on
them
with
acreage,
that
is
less
than
the
minimum
property
size
of
10
acres
for
the
rural
residential
district.
L
There
are
no
agency
objections
to
this
project
staff
finds
that
this
application
complies
with
a
county
code
and
the
accounting
plan.
Zoning
commission
voted
to
recommend
approval
of
this
application
to
the
board
at
their
public
hearing
and
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
Are
there
any
questions?
Staff.
A
All
right
is,
is
the
applicant
here.
W
Thank
you,
commissioners.
My
name
is
peach
peterson,
I'm
the
applicant
on
behalf
of
the
owner,
who
is
also
here
james
weimeier,
we're
here
basically
to
request
your
approval.
Staff
has
looked
it
over
74
pages
worth
and
one
year
later.
In
fact,
one
of
the
planning
commission,
the
chair,
actually
mentioned
the
fact
that
it's
a
long
time
to
wait
to
get
approval
to
get
a
building
permit
on
a
property.
The
neighbors
have
similar
properties,
and
that
is
why
it
took
this
long
because
at
the
time
that
he
purchased
it,
it
was
pretty
rural.
W
At
this
point
it
looks
rural
on
his
side,
not
so
rural,
a
mile
away
with
several
subdivisions,
so
we
are
hoping,
since
we
have
checked
all
the
boxes,
both
planning
and
zoning
staff,
fire
department,
septic
perk
tests
and,
most
importantly,
the
neighbors
in
the
neighborhood
feel,
although
they
only
one
person
actually
appeared
and
spoke,
the
neighbors
during
the
neighborhood
meeting
said
yes,
they
would
love
to
have
a
really
nice
house
on
this
property
as
opposed
to
what
it
is
today.
So
we
are
hoping
that
you
approve.
A
I
do
have
any
questions
all
right.
No
thank
you!
Pete!
Okay,
as
mr
riemeyer
wish
to
speak,
you
are
the
applicant.
X
A
You
all
right,
thank
you.
Is
there
anyone
here
in
opposition?
I
don't
see
anybody
signed
up
for
that.
If,
if
not,
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
on
application.
Two
zero:
two:
two:
zero:
zero,
eight,
seven,
three
z,
c
d:
a
b:
what
is
the
pleasure
of
the
board.
C
Well,
mr
chair,
I'm
gonna
just
go
ahead
and
make
the
motion
to
approve
application.
Number
two:
zero:
two:
two:
zero:
zero:
eight,
seven:
three
dash
z,
c
dash
d,
a
dash
v
based
on
the
findings
of
fact,
and
the
testimony
here
tonight.
F
Mr
chair,
looking
at
this,
I
don't
think
believe
it
does
grant
a
special
ride
or
privilege
and
it
does
relieve
an
undue
hardship.
There's
not
much
else
you're
going
to
do
out
there.
This
property,
this
size
can't
graze,
can't
graze
on
four
acres
right
and
I
don't
think
if,
if
anything,
it
doesn't
cause
a
detriment
to
the
neighbor's
public
health,
I
think
it
actually
helps
like
they
said
with
wild
potential
wildfires
out
there.
So
I'm
going
to
second
that
motion.
A
A
A
I
will
now
open
the
public
hearing
on
application.
Two
zero:
two:
two:
zero:
zero:
eight:
zero
zero
dash
v
dash
ac
legacy
homes,
I'll
get
a
report
from
our
staff
corey.
E
The
shop
is
proposed
to
be
5
600
square
feet
with
a
height
of
approximately
30
feet,
and
the
barn
is
proposed
to
be
5040
feet
with
a
height
of
27
feet.
The
structures
are
proposed
to
sit
below
the
grade
of
the
private
road
and
the
allowance
for
them
to
exceed
the
24
feet.
24
feet
will
better
complement
the
primary
dwelling,
which
does
have
a
maximum
height
of
35
feet
as
well.
The
heartland
ranch
subdivision,
where
this
property
is
located
is
bordered
directly
to
the
west
by
the
city
of
eagle.
E
F
Yes,
mr
chair,
so
if
we're
looking
at
comparing
what
eagle
has
in
code-
and
they
have-
you
said-
35
feet
right,
and
this
is
30.-
this
one
is:
do
they
have
any
accessory
code
restrictions
that
are
different
than
ours,
this
one?
It
says
it's
1500
feet
greater
than
what
we
would
normally
allow.
F
E
A
Okay,
thank
you
is
the
applicant
here.
Do
it
to
speak
to
it
legacy
homes.
A
A
Hearing
there's
no
there's
no
there's
no
questions
or
no
comments
from
the
applicant.
So
is
there
anyone
opposing
the
the
application?
F
Yeah,
mr
chair,
I
think
that
this
would
be
appropriate
to
go
ahead
and
approve
the
variance
on
the
structure,
especially
since
it
is
contiguous
but
up
against
city
of
eagle.
So
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
make
the
motion
to
approve
two
zero:
two:
two:
zero:
zero,
eight,
zero,
zero
v,
a
c
based
on
the
conclusions
of
findings
of
fact,
and
the
additional
testimony
and
documents
that
were
provided
here
this
evening.
A
F
I'm
gonna
look
at
richard
based
on
one
of
the
prior
applications
that
we
heard
here
tonight.
There
was
new
evidence
submitted
on
a
drive-by
test
last
night.
Do
we
need
to
add
that
into
our
records
as
a
new
exhibit.
I
Chairman,
commissioner,
I
actually
have
it
right
now:
it's
exhibit
36.
Actually
it
would
be
38
a
we
had
two
late
exhibits,
including
that
memo
that
I
provided
you
after
the
initial
memo.
So
it
would
be
38a
again
if
we're
remanding
back
they're,
going
to
submit
all
of
that
as
part
of
a
new
set,
almost
like
a
new
application
in
terms
of
additional
materials.
So
we'll
have
it
in
the
record
multiple
times,
but
that
would
be
the
exhibit
number.
Y
Thank
you,
chairman
beck.
You
are
correct.
You
got
two
application
numbers
here.
One
projects,
two
thousand
six:
zero:
zero:
two
one:
nine
dash
c
p:
eight
s
d,
a
dash
m
and
20
2201
329-vac.
Y
Before
I
begin,
I
handed
you
an
exhibit
that
was
submitted
today
by
the
west
data
school
district.
In
re
regards
to
this
project.
We
were
hoping
that
they
could
be
here
today.
Unfortunately,
they
cannot.
So
what
you
are
provided
is
that
it's
the
email
response
this
will
be
added
to
the
record,
as
exhibit
number
38.
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Okay,
thank
you.
So
the
project
we're
talking
about
is
a
proposed
comprehensive
plan
text,
amendment,
a
development
agreement,
modification
and
a
vacation
to
author
condition
of
approval.
Number
61
of
dry
creek
range
planned
community
development
agreement.
The
proposed
modification
would
change
requirement
for
dry
creek
ranch
to
donate
his
school
site
to
west
state,
a
school
district
instead
of
the
site
being
utilized
for
any
public
school
entity,
including
charter
schools,
so
they're
proposing
to
change
the
language.
Y
Y
So
back
in
2016,
dry,
creek
ranch
went
through
an
amendment
and
they
added
some
new
language
and
the
language,
as
stated,
is
the
developer
of
dry.
Creek
ranch
has
met
with
joe
yoakum
who's.
The
assistant
superintendent
of
operations
with
joint
school
district
number
two
on
several
occasions
to
discuss
the
needs
of
the
school
district
and
what
accommodations
need
to
be
taken
into
consideration.
Y
Y
West
ada
school
district
commented
on
this
stating
that
they
would
like
to
continue
to
have
that
property
for
future
development
that
the
school
site
at
dry
creek
will
be
essential
for
west
ada
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
unprecedented
growth
and
then.
Lastly,
in
addition,
the
district
is
considering
running
a
bond
in
march
2023.
F
Mr
chair,
are
there
any
questions?
Go
ahead.
Did
west
state
a
school
district,
provide
you,
or
did
we
ask
for
their
comprehensive
long-term
strategic
plan.
Y
Chairman
beck,
commissioner
kenyon
know
that
that
information
was
not
provided.
That's
just
specifically
what
is
in
the
the
exhibits
that
they
provide
to
us.
That's
the
only
information
that
we
received.
F
So,
okay,
so
we
have
no
long-term
comprehensive
strategic
plan.
Do
they
have
a
better
timeline
or
date
on
when
they
would
run
the
bond?
I
mean
this
is
pretty
ambiguous.
It's
like
maybe
we
will.
Y
Nope,
just
the
the
email
that
was
provided.
That
is
all
that
we
could
get.
C
Mr
chair
yeah
go
ahead,
so
there's
no
timeline
for
development
of
a
school
in
the
initial
agreement.
Y
Oh
yeah,
just
in
the
future
no
specific
requirements
from
that
approval,
it
was
just
stated
that
they
more
so
provide
the
school
site
prior
to
any
building
permits
going
forth
and
then
at
west
ada's
discretion.
They
would
then
provide
a
school,
so
there's
no
hard
fast
date
or
line
that
they
have
to
provide
that
by.
F
What
were
the
the
main
oppositions
or
the
main
points,
I
should
say
in
their
decision
making
yeah.
F
Y
Chairman
beck
commissioner
kenny,
no,
we
we
did
not
go
outside
of
what
was
submitted
to
us
either
by
the
applicant
or
by
these
agencies.
We
did
not
do
any
any
further
research
on
their
their
plan.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you,
okay.
I
have
two
questions
for
you
for
you
to
start
out
with
number
one
you
read
to
us
that
the
board
had
originally
you
know
in
its
original
resolution,
had
had
mentioned
nine
acres
and
then
ended
up
with
seven.
What
do
you
know
what
they?
What
the
rationale
or
what
happened
there.
Y
Yeah
so
chairman
becky,
basically
that
that
language
was
kind
of
left
open-ended.
It's
a
nine
and
a
half
acres
approximately
in
that
resolution
and
then
within
the
the
conditions
of
approval,
and
once
there
was
more
of
an
agreement
made
that's
when
it
got
more
specific
to
exactly
what
that
size
would
be.
So
the
resolution
is
more
of
the
the
comprehensive
plan
focus
of
what
they
would
like
to
see
and
then
the
findings
and
development
agreement
actually
got
into
the.
A
I'm
also
a
little
confused
about.
I
guess
the
development
agreement
actually
dedicates
that
that
to
west
ada
is
that
correct.
Y
A
Is
that
common
I
mean
I've.
I've
I'm
familiar
with
other
developments
where
they
they
are.
They
agree
to
a
school
site,
but
they
don't
dedicate
it
to
a
specific
school
site.
Y
Yeah,
commissioner
beck
your
chairman
beck,
we
do
have
other
planned
communities
in
the
county.
As
you
know,
plant
community
kind
of
has
different
standards
and
what
they've
gone
through
hidden
springs.
For
example.
Originally
it
was
a
charter
school
site
and
then
it
changed
to
boise
school
district
specific
sites.
So
that's
one
area
where
we
saw
a
change
avamore,
I
don't
recall
their
specific
situation.
Maybe
mr
beck
do
you
have
any
other
insights
into
that
yeah.
G
Mr
chairman,
I
don't
know
the
specifics
for
avamor,
but
each
plant
community,
you
know
when
they
come
in
through
the
process
they
go
through,
essentially
in
a
negotiation
with
the
service
providers
and
it's
really
whatever
they
agree
upon.
So
in
this
case
it
sounds
like
the
school
district
asked
for
that
specificity
in
the
in
the.
A
So
later
that
was
amended
and
changed
to
to
to
the
boise
school
this
year,
and
that
was
probably
the
boy
school
this
who
came
today
how
about
moving
it
to
us
there
right
yep.
G
G
F
F
AA
My
name
is
travis
hunter
with
boise
hunter
homes.
AA
AA
Over
the
last
five
years,
aydah
county
has
been
a
fantastic
partner
to
work
with,
and
we
actually
truly
appreciate
all
the
hard
work
and
attention
that
you
guys
give
us
of
all
the
agencies.
Municipalities
we
deal
with
you
guys
are
amongst
the
best
so
kudos
to
you
guys,
good
as
your
staff,
with
the
requests
we're
making
tonight
we're
asking
for
your
help
in
bringing
the
best
school
solution
possible
to
the
community,
and
I
hope
that
you
consider
our
request
in
light
of
how
to
serve
the
aydah
county
residents.
The
best
next
slide.
AA
Connor
I'll
start
the
presentation
with
the
community's
history,
the
current
status
and
then
get
into
what's
brought
us
here
tonight.
Dry
creek
ranch
is
1400
acres.
It
originally
received
its
approval
as
a
planned
community
in
2010.
Its
original
entitlements
were
for
3
600
homes
and
a
commercial
development
approximately
the
size
of
the
village.
At
meridian,
when
we
bought
the
project
in
2016,
we
decided
that
the
community
was
too
dense
and
intense
for
our
likings
and
so
and
it
did
not
fit
well
with
the
surrounding
area.
AA
AA
A
dry
creek
ranch
was
designed
to
be
one
of
the
most
unique
comprehensively
encompassing
and
self-sustaining
communities,
as
is
the
vision
for
planned
communities
in
ada
county
at
dry,
creek
ranch
we
built
and
operate
our
own
wastewater
treatment
plant
we
built
and
operate
our
own
water
district.
We
created
a
wildlife
mitigation
fund
that
will
accumulate
three
million
dollars
and
perpetually
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
mitigate
wildlife
impacts.
AA
We
provide
internal
recreation
opportunities,
including
community
centers,
pools
ball
fields,
trails
our
recently
constructed
equestrian
center.
We
were
we
created
and
staff
a
full-time,
organic
farm
on
site
where
produce
is
grown
and
delivered
to
residents
doorsteps
three
season
of
the
year,
we're
planning
a
moderate
size,
commercial
center,
where
residents
can
eat,
buy,
groceries
and
shop,
and
we
donated
the
site
to
a
site
to
eagle
fire
district
for
a
future
fire
station
and
we've
set
aside
a
school
site
to
be
donated,
which
is
what
brings
us
here
tonight.
AA
So
all
these
features
were
intentionally
thought
through
and
designed
in
order
to
provide
a
self-encompassing
community
where
residents
would
not
have
to
travel
into
eagle
regularly
and
there's
a
higher
level
of
traffic
trip
capture
next
slide
connor
and
the
next
slide.
You
could
see
language
from
our
development
agreement.
Talking
about
the
major
plan.
Elements
of
the
community
provide
the
opportunity
for
a
primary
school
site
located
in
dry
creek
ranch,
implement
trip,
production
strategies
to
reduce
vehicular
traffic
and
a
community
school
will
reduce
trip
generation
outside
of
the
community
next
slide.
AA
AA
AA
So
this
is
the
school
site.
You
can
see
that
right
now
we're
actually
just
farming
it
in
alfalfa,
because,
to
be
frank,
it's
the
best
form
of
landscaping.
You
could
have
until
you
do
something
with
it
and
you
could
actually
see
on
the
on
the
west
side
of
the
site.
We
we
installed
assad
soccer
field.
Just
so
residents
can
temporarily
use
it
until
a
school
comes.
AA
So
you
go
to
the
next
slide
connor
so
last
year,
as
we're
planning
on
dedicating
the
site
to
west
ada,
we
began
engaging
their
legal
counsel
to
prepare
the
deed,
and
we
had
two
two
items
we
wanted
specifically
on
the
deed.
One
was
that
the
site
would
be
used
for
school
and
they
could
not
sell
it
to
another
developer,
which
believe
it
or
not
happens
all
the
time
in
the
valley.
AA
AA
So
as
we
continue
to
dialogue
with
them
over
time,
they
made
us
aware
that
they
they
couldn't
have
any
certainty
of
timing,
because
they
need
a
bond
to
pass.
So
then
we
specifically
asked
the
question:
okay.
Well,
can
you
commit
to
at
least
running
a
bond
and
putting
it
to
the
boaters,
the
voters
within
a
certain
time
frame
and
they
they
said?
No,
they
wouldn't
so.
At
that
time
we
decided
we
needed
to
explore
other
solutions
on
how
to
actually
get
a
school
built.
We
didn't
not
know
much
about
charter
schools
at
the
time.
AA
That's
nearly
10
years,
faster
than
what
west
ada
is
willing
to
commit
to
some
real
next
slide,
connor
some
relevant
pieces
of
information.
There
are
common
misconceptions
about
charter
school,
so
next
slide
connor,
so
charter
schools
are
public
school.
A
lot
of
people
don't
know
that
charter
schools
are
free
to
attend
charter.
Schools
do
not
require
a
bond
to
be
passed
and
they
don't
put
a
tax
burden
on
the
residence,
which
is
actually
a
huge
pro
and
charter.
AA
Schools
must
undergo
a
thorough
approval
process
to
see
how
the
financial
viability
and
the
operations
are,
and
they
go
through
the
through
the
idaho
public
charter
school
commission,
underneath
the
underneath
the
state
board
of
education.
AA
Next
slide
connor,
so
to
help
you
understand
why
we
actually
need
a
school
right
now,
so
this
map
was
actually
a
an
exhibit
on
west
ada's
website
six
months
ago
and
there's
a
color-coded
heat
map
that
just
shows
where
the
intensity
of
of
growth
is
coming
and
where
they
need
the
site
of
school
and
dry
creek
ranch
was
cited
as
the
second
most
needed
spot
for
a
school
right
now.
Interestingly
enough,
that
map
does
not
exist
any
longer
on
west
daytona,
school
district's
website.
AA
So
next
slide
connor,
so
busing
the
the
current
how
kids
currently
get
to
school
in
dry
creek
right
now.
So
when
they're
going
to
seven
oaks
elementary
school
they're,
the
last
stop
on
the
bus
stop
but
kids
ride
for
about
45
minutes
to
one
hour
each
way
on
the
bus
before
they
get
there.
So
they're
spending
an
hour
and
a
half
to
two
hours
a
day
riding
the
bus
to
get
to
school.
AA
So
we've
talked
to
hundreds
of
residents
at
dry
creek
and
asked
them,
or
you
know,
to
propose
the
idea
of
having
a
charter
school.
You
know
in
the
near
future
as
a
term
as
opposed
to
westinghou
waiting
on
west
data
and
all
the
residents
that
we've
talked
to
with
school-aged
children
are
highly
in
support
of
this
option,
and
some
of
them
actually
come
here
tonight
in
support,
and
this
is
a
page
of
signatures
that
we
gathered,
showing
support
for
for
this
and
so
last
slide
connor.
AA
AA
However,
if
another
group
was
able
to
construct
and
build
a
school
and
educate
these
kids,
that
would
actually
take
a
burden
off
of
west
ada
and
end
up
helping
them
because
they'd
be
schooling,
the
kids
faster
than
they
would
so
and
then
last
the
correspondence
that
you
guys
saw
in
front
of
you
with
west
ada.
It's
it's
again.
AA
It's
the
same
message
that
we've
gotten,
unfortunately,
for
the
last
two
years,
we
would
like
to
do
something
we'd
think
about
doing
something,
but
we're
not
willing
to
commit
we're,
not
even
willing
to
commit
to
run
a
bond,
and
so
you
know
this
isn't
a
this
wasn't
one
of
the
project
goals
for
us
is
to
get
this
thing
changed.
Necessarily
this
doesn't
make
us
any
money,
we're
just
trying
to
have
a
functional
community,
and
so
that's
why
we're
here
asking
for
your
help
so
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
Okay,.
C
AA
Commissioner
davidson
mr
chair,
no,
it
doesn't
seem
like
a
high
priority.
I
mean,
I
think,
eventually
they
would
like
some.
You
know
everyone
likes
free
real
estate,
but
they're
just
not
acting
like
it's
priority,
they've
not
communicated
it's
a
priority
and
it's
just
been
really
fuzzy,
far
out
language
and
we've
actually
engaged
with
two
administrations
at
west
state
school
district.
So
currently
it's
derrick
bubb
and
before
that
the
gentleman's
names
alluded
me,
but
it
was
when
joe
yocum
was
there
and
we,
you
know
toured
around
dry.
AA
Creek
ranch
said
guys:
we'd
love
you
to
come
here.
We
want
you
to
be
here.
When
can
you
be
here?
And
you
know-
and
it
was
it's-
it's
just
been
the
same
message
the
whole
time.
Basically
they're
not
acting
like
it's
a
priority.
C
My
concern,
for
you
know
any
school
that
would
be
built
there
is
that
it
could,
you
know,
truly
serve
the
needs
of
the
community
and
charter
schools
tend
to
be.
You
know
smaller
and
more
selective
of
the
students.
So
can
you
tell
me
if
the
plan
is
to
serve
every
child,
I'm
guessing
12
and
under
if
it's
elementary
school
who
lives
in
the
community
who
wants
to
go
to
school
there,
with
this
proposed
charter
school,
be
able
to
accommodate
that.
AA
We
have
two
really
highly
likely
candidates
of
charter
schools,
but
we
haven't
committed
to
either
one
of
them,
because
this
wasn't
a
done
deal
yet
the
one
that
we
most
recently
heard
from
thinks
they
could
do
about
650
students
there
and
it
could
actually
be
a
k
through
eight
and
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
don't
care
if
it's
a
k
through
eight
or
k
through
five
we've
actually
talked
to
one
that
could
even
do
a
k
through
12,
which
is
kind
of
counterintuitive,
but
they
that
charter
schools
model
is
it's
full
time
in
class.
AA
In
elementary
school,
it
starts
transitioning
to
half
time
in
class,
half
or
maybe
a
third
and
two
third
times
during
you
know
in
class
and
online
on
junior
high
and
then
like
a
third
in
class
and
two
thirds
online
in
high
school,
we're
not
necessarily
set
on
that
model
either.
But
we've
we've
heard
all
these
options
talked
about
and
we
just
want
them
to
take
as
many
students
as
they
can
as
fast
as
they
can
that's
our
goal.
Do
you.
C
Know
how
many
children,
12
and
under
live
in
dry
creek
at
the
moment.
AA
I
don't,
I
don't,
have
an
exact
tally
on
that,
but
it's
a
it's
a
couple.
It's
probably
250,
plus.
C
AA
Well,
actually,
surprisingly,
there's
been
a
lot
more
families
with
kids
moving
to
dry
creek
than
we
originally
anticipated,
and
you
know
so
we're
gonna.
Our
business
plan
for
dry
creek
ranch
is
to
continue
to
grow
at
about
125
homes
a
year.
It's
375
people
a
year,
and
so
you
know
if
I
was
going
to
say,
school-aged
kids
of
those
375,
I
don't
know
is
that
you
know
40
kids
a
year
plus.
C
C
AA
Commissioner
davidson,
we
don't
have
a
plan
for
that,
we're
not
the
schooling
body.
I
you
know
we're.
You
know
we're
happy
to
give
this
real
estate
to
whoever
can
do
it
and
do
it
best,
but
no,
I
don't
have
a
plan
b
on
that.
AA
F
You
mentioned,
I
love
the
slide
with
the
distraught
children
riding
the
bus.
AA
Miles,
I
don't
know
specifically,
let's
see
if
anyone
on
my
team
do.
We
know
three
and
a
half
four
miles
and
it
shouldn't
take
45
minutes
to
an
hour
to
get
there,
but
we
happen
to
be
the
last
stop
on
the
bus
route.
AA
AA
A
AA
X
AA
Take
it
we'd
say
in
that
event,
commissioner,
beck
we'd,
say:
okay,
go
pass
a
bond
and
when
you're
ready
to
build
the
school,
let
let
us
know-
and
so
our
our
goal
isn't
to
our
goal-
is
to
get
this
in
the
hands
of
someone
that
could
build
a
school
as
soon
as
they
could
build
a
school
and
commit
to
doing
it
right.
So
you're.
AA
F
You
yeah,
and
this
isn't
probably
a
question
for
you.
Maybe
if
you
guys
remember
when's
the
last
time.
Meridian
ran
a
bond.
It's
super
majority
right,
it's
66
percent,
plus
yeah.
Two
thirds
is.
A
F
A
I
mean
so
they
they
seem
to
have
the
support
of
the
public
when
they,
when
they
go
for
a
bond,
but.
C
AA
Y
Chairman
bec
free
move
on.
I
just
wanted
to
add
mr
hunter's
presentation
here,
as
exhibit
number
39
into
the
record.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
we'll
do
that
is
there?
Is
there
opposition
before
we
start
taking
public
testimony,
because
the
only
opposition
is,
I
think,
from
the
school
district,
and
we
just
have
a
letter
right,
oh
right
here:
okay,
did
you
wanna?
AB
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
When
we
purchased
our
home
in
dry,
creek
ranch,
we
live
a
half
block
from
the
site
on
west
mirror
pond
when
we
purchased
our
home.
The
sales
team
assured
us
that
this
was
going
to
be
a
public
school
for
250
children
elementary
school.
Only
so
we're
not
per
se
opposed
to
the
idea.
In
fact,
we're
not
at
all
opposed
to
the
idea
of
having
an
elementary
school
here
right
there
in
the
neighborhood.
AB
What
we
are
opposed
to
is
any
possibility
of
there
being
middle
or
high
school
on
such
a
small
lot,
considering
what
that
might
mean
for
traffic
on
our
street
and
and
noise
and
parking
issues,
especially
as
as
it
gets
towards
older
kids
who
might
be
driving
to
school.
So
we
have
no
opposition
to
a
an
amendment
as
long
as
there
was
some
mechanism
in
there,
that
would
say.
A
F
F
Y
F
A
A
I
will
call
the
people
out
that
has
signed
up
online
first
or
signed
up
in
advance
the
first
applicant
or
the
first
testimony
is
from
blair
moss
up
to
three
minutes
up
to
three
yeah.
I
have
three
minutes:
yeah
go
ahead.
AC
To
answer
a
couple
of
your
questions,
commissioner:
kenyon
we
are
the
furthest
community
from
the
seven
oaks
elementary
school,
which
is
only
about
three
and
a
half
miles
away
down,
55,
if
you're
thinking,
north
and
south
or
north
of
west
north
of
seven
oaks,
but
seven
oaks
elementary
is
already
busting
at
the
seams
and
even
when
I
spoke
to
multiple
staff
members
at
west
ada
school
district,
all
of
their
schools
are
busting
at
the
seams
they're
having
problems
servicing
the
community.
That's
growing
around
them
to
mr
hunter's
point,
which
he
made
a
great
one.
AC
AC
The
only
thing
that
we're
simply
asking
for
today
is
to
amend
the
language
to
give
us
the
option
to
explore
a
charter
school.
We
still
have
other
hoops
that
we
need
to
jump
through
if
we
were
going
to
be
exploring
a
charter
school.
We
still
have
to
go
to
the
charter.
Commission
and
appea
in
a
process
has
to
go
through
approval.
AC
AC
We
just
want
the
option
to
explore
it,
knowing
that
west
data
may
not
build
on
it
five
to
ten
years,
even
if
we
can't
get
a
charter
commission
approval
we'll
be
right
back
to
square
one
where
we
started
anyways,
so
I
don't
see
the
harm
or
the
foul
and
allowing
us
the
opportunity
to
do
so.
Thank
you
all
very
much
for
your
time.
We
really
appreciate
it.
C
AC
Yes,
commissioner
davidson
there
is
there's
a
group
of
parents
that
we
formed
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago
to
start
exploring
options,
and
it
was
just
us
getting
together
for
coffee.
I
soon
excused
myself
because
I
have
way
too
much
on
my
plate.
So
there
are
several
lovely,
ladies
and
a
gentleman
in
the
audience
who
have
really
taken
the
helm
and
have
started
actually
exploring
what
it
takes
to
build
a
charter
school
and
what
it
takes
to
be
sitting
on
a
board
at
a
charter
school.
AC
So
several
of
them
have
actually
attended
multiple,
trainings
and
they're,
going
through
the
process
and
learning
what
that
type
of
application
entails.
They've
started
looking
at
that
they
started
exploring
the
application
putting
things
together.
They
are
way
more
knowledgeable
than
I
am
in
that
in
that
regard.
But,
yes,
this
is
definitely
a
community
all
hands
on
deck
project.
AC
I
believe
currently,
what
they're
proposing
is
elementary
only
from
what
the
conversations
that
I've
heard
is
really
either
a
k
as
a
k
through
six
they're,
a
k
through
fifth.
The
option
have
a
k
through
eighth
would
be
lovely
because
it
would
obviously
serve
those
children
longer
they'd
have
the
school
right
down
the
street
and
so
they'd
be
able
to
continue
through
a
middle
school
opportunity,
but
I
think
it
really
was.
AC
We
were
looking
at
apples
to
apples
originally
what
was
west
ada
wanting
for
the
land
and
what
what
I
had
understood
was
it
was
seven
acres
and
they
wanted
at
least
k
through
five
and
needed
to
be
in
the
600
range.
So
that's
what
we
were
proposing
is
okay.
Well,
we
don't
want
to
downsize.
We
don't
want
to
serve
less
students.
We
want
to
do
exactly
the
same.
We're
looking
at
either
k
through
5
k
through
6
k
through
8,
would
be
great
too,
but
really
more
of
an
elementary
school.
AC
A
Thank
you
all
right.
Next
up
we
have
patrick
buckley.
I
would
ask
you
to
not
repeat:
what's
already
been
said,
if
you
testify
is
patrick
buckley
here,
apparently
not
okay,.
F
Mr
chair
yeah,
and
also
that
this
is
a
hearing
on
whether
we're
going
to
look
at
adding
that
as
an
option
right
other
schools,
so
we're
not
talking
about
we'll,
have
another
hearing.
If
this
board
decides
and
we
agree
to
move
forward,
then
we'll
have
another
hearing
on
what
the
school
would
look
like
the
boundaries
of
that
the
ages
all
of
those
things.
So
that's
not
what
we're
looking
at
here
tonight.
So,
let's
kind
of
just
stick
with
the
issues
here
to
make
the
record
clean
thanks.
Thank
you.
AB
F
AD
Do
that
hi?
My
name
is
kathy
mayer
and
obviously
I
don't
have
any
small
children
at
home,
but
we're
empty
nesters
me
and
my
husband
and
we
moved
here
to
be
part
of
a
community
and
that
community
from
the
beginning
had
identified
a
school,
and
I
know
a
lot
of
parents
that
moved
here
with
the
expectation
that
there
would
be
a
school
and
having
people
just
drag
their
feet
on
it
just
doesn't
seem
appropriate.
AD
I
guess
I
could
reiterate
things
about
kids
on
the
bus.
What
one
thing
that
hasn't
been
mentioned
is
in
lieu
of
the
bus.
Many
many
parents
drive
their
kids
to
school,
so
that's
increasing
the
traffic
on
highway
55
and
it's
also
a
hardship
on
parents
both
in
terms
of
their
time
and
right
now,
the
price
of
gas
and
everything.
But
anyhow,
I
I
guess
that's
about
all
I
had
to
say.
I
think
it's
a
good
idea.
I
love
the
community
and
I
think
we
were
promised
to
school
and
we
ought
to
get
one.
Thank
you.
Z
I
wanted
to
look
at
this
in
a
slightly
different
way
as
near
as
I
can
tell
this
requirement
for
the
for
the
school
came
that
came
out
of
negotiations
between
the
developer
and
the
county,
and
the
purpose
of
the
negotiations
was
to
do
to
ensure
that
we
got
a
nice
livable,
practical,
well-working,
neighborhood
and.
Z
Up
giving
the
west
ada
school
district,
the
the
option
of
of
sitting
on
this
land
indefinitely
or
even
selling
it
and
spending
the
money
elsewhere,
which
is
a
a
very
valuable
option,
and
I
can
imagine
that
the
school
district
is
very
reluctant
to
give
up
that
option.
Z
But
I
would
like
to
downplay
the
fact
that
the
school
district
would
have
to
give
up
that
option
and
and
and
get
the
focus
back
on
building
a
nice
liberal,
practical,
well-functioning
neighborhood.
Thank
you.
A
AE
AE
To
just
give
you
an
example
of
the
number
of
children
that
we
have.
I
live
on
west
cardinal
drive,
which
backs
up
right
to
the
school
zone.
It's
probably
the
smallest
block
in
dry
creek
ranch
we
have
as
of
november
when
we
have
two
more
babies
being
born:
30,
kids
in
high
school
or
high
school
middle
school
and
elementary
school.
AE
In
that
one
block
and
to
give
you
another
idea
of
where
those
kids
are
today,
when
you
look
at
future
population
and
the
need
for
this
charter
school
and
how
we're
going
to
have
enrollment
out
of
those
30
kids,
14
of
them
are
younger
than
five.
So
they
are
going
to
go
to
this
school
if
we
can
get
it
built.
Ten
of
them
go
to
west
data
schools
today
to
seven
oaks,
two
go
to
private
schools
and
four
are
home
schooled.
AE
So
when
you
look
at
the
community,
don't
just
focus
in
on
those
who
go
to
seven
oaks
today
as
the
population
for
the
charter
school,
but
think
about
all
the
other
home
school
private,
other
charter
and
the
toddlers
and
babies
that
are
coming
because
they
are
coming.
Let
me
tell
you
so
the
main
reason
I'm
here
today
and
the
main
reason
all
my
wonderful
neighbors
are
here
is
because
we
just
can't
wait.
AE
Our
children
are
our
passion
they're
our
number
one
priority,
and
we
cannot
wait
10
to
12
years
for
them
to
have
a
school
to
be
able
to
enjoy.
I
mean
my
children
will
be
driving
cars
and
not
walking
to
school
they'll
be
graduating
from
high
school.
By
the
time
we
would
have
one
if
west
data
continues
on
their
timeline,
we
are
committed.
AE
We
are
dedicated,
we've
been
spending
months
working
on
the
charter
process.
We
understand
it
and
we're
happy
to
answer
questions
on
the
work
that
we've
done.
We
think
we
can
make
it
very
successful
for
this
community
and
for
west
ada's
district
as
a
whole,
because
we
will
alleviate
that
population
growth
sooner
than
west
ada.
Can
we're
really
just
asking
you
to
keep
in
mind
who
you're
trying
to
think
about
when
you're?
AE
A
Carello,
not
here,
okay,
lauren,
todd.
AF
Thank
you,
I'm
series
neighbor.
I
have
three
boys
ten,
eight
and
six,
and
I'm
just
here
to
support
the
charter
school
we'd
like
to
see
something
done
soon
sooner
rather
than
later.
Ten
years
down,
the
road
is
to
even
start
the
project.
It's
just
too
late
for
us
we'd
like
to
see
something
our
kids
can
go
to
very
soon.
AF
AF
F
AF
I
have
a
kindergartener,
so
I'm
not
you
know
I
bring
him,
so
I
can
walk
him
to
the
door
and
hopefully,
if
we
could
get
this
going,
my
even
my
10
ten-year-old
who's
in
fifth
grade,
potentially
depending
on
if
it's
k
through
six
or
k
through
eight,
could
potentially
even
go
to
the
school
and
have
all
my
boys
right
there.
So
it'd
be
amazing
yeah,
but
I
drive
back
and
forth.
AF
A
V
AF
V
I'm
also
a
resident
of
dry
creek
ranch
and
I
won't
take
up
much
of
your
time
repeating
everything
else
that
was
said,
but
I
do
agree
with
all
of
that.
I've
been
in
education
for
20
plus
years,
I've
been
in
the
charter
world
and
I'm
a
school
board
member,
and
just
to
reiterate
that
there's
a
group
of
us
that
are
working
hard
to
kind
of
explore
other
options,
and
we
just
ask
for
that
option
and,
of
course,
if
west
ada
wanted
to
give
us
a
school
sooner,
that
would
be
fantastic.
A
Thank
you,
ryan.
H
How
you
all
doing
yeah,
without
echoing
every
single
thing
that
they
all
said,
I'm
part
of
that
parent
group
trying
to
find
other
solutions,
and
I
really
do
think
we
have
a
great
plan
back
and
get
a
school
in
there
sooner,
and
this
is
really
a
thing
about
timing.
It's
not
about
who
it's
about
when
and
giving
that
opportunity,
and
I
think
that's
what
it
comes
down
to.
S
I
am
the
father
of
five
kids
at
dry
creek
age,
seven
months
to
12.,
so
as
the
largest
family
in
dry
creek,
I
can
personally
assure
you
we
will
have
at
least
one
percent
occupancy
in
a
500-person
school,
because
that
will
send
my
kids
there
and
you
know
I
think
the
points
have
been
well
articulated
tonight,
but
a
charter
school
will
give
us
the
opportunity
to
mold
our
kids
education
in
the
spirit
of
the
values
of
our
community,
and
I
think,
that's
something
that's
very
important
to
our
community,
the
bus.
S
You
can't
discount
the
pain
and
labor
it
takes
for
a
kid
to
be
on
a
bus
for
an
hour
and
a
half
a
day
for
our
five
kids.
We
choose
to
drive
them
because
we
have
that
opportunity
and
it's
an
hour
and
a
half
in
the
morning.
It's
an
hour
and
a
half
at
night.
You
know:
we've
we've
got
a
dvd
player
in
our
car
because
we
spent
so
much
time
in
there.
S
I
think
the
planning
is
so
important
because,
with
1800
homes
planned
in
dry
creek,
we
are
going
to
very
soon
outstrip
the
capacity
of
the
west
ada
public
schools
to
to
educate
our
kids
and
there's
really
obviously
nothing
more
important
than
the
education
of
our
kids
to
us
in
the
community,
and
you
know
lastly,
I'll
just
say
I
think
really.
S
The
issue
at
hand
is
that
west
ada's
incentives
are
not
aligned
with
the
community
and
as
our
elected
officials,
I
think
it's
really
important
for
you
guys
to
step
in
and
say,
listen
you're
holding
on
to
that
land.
You
know
you
don't
really
have
a
strong
intention
of
using
it
and
do
what's
right
for
the
community
and
for
the
kids
of
dry
creek
ranch.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
AG
Hello,
I
will
keep
my
comments
brief.
I
have
two
boys
ages,
nine
and
6..
They
take
the
bus
in
the
morning
and
sometimes
they're
a
little
bit
late
to
class,
because
the
driver
has
to
do
a
few
routes.
I
choose
to
pick
them
up
in
the
afternoon
because
it
takes
upwards
of
an
hour
and
a
half
for
them
to
get
home,
so
that
would
be
five
o'clock
dinner
sports
homework.
AG
A
All
right,
you
can.
A
A
AA
Hey
commissioners,
just.
M
AA
Couple
of
clarifying
things
for
you
too,
so
you
were
asking
about
the
seven
acre
site
versus
the
nine
acre
site
and
how
we
arrived
at.
It
was
when
we
actually
got
down
to
designing
the
plot.
We
said:
okay,
west
data.
How
much
do
you
guys
want
give
us
the
exact
dimensions,
we'll
build
it
or
you
know
we'll
give
it
to
you
right,
and
so
they
requested
that
the
size
site
that
we
have,
but
it
was
meant
to
also
function
in
tandem
with
our
regional
community
center
that
we're
building
next
door.
AA
So
there
could
be
shared
open
space,
and
I
mean
common
space
for
people
to
use,
so
that
was
kind
of
the
thought
behind
the
the
size
and
layout,
and
that
was
just
dictated
to
us
by
west
data
at
the
time
and-
and
the
last
thing
is,
if
you
know,
if
this
amendment
isn't
passed,
you
know
regarding
the
capacity
of
the
school
you
know,
west
data
probably
will
build
a
500
600
person
school.
It
was
originally,
I
think,
designed
for
like
650,
but
we're
open
to
all
possibilities.
AA
A
A
Your
amendment,
your
agreement,
we
have
to
have
another
hearing.
We
can't
do
that
tonight.
We
can
move
to
another
hearing,
but
we
have
to
have
two
hearings
on
that.
AA
Yeah,
commissioner
beck
what
we're
requesting
is
that
you
allow
us
you
put
no
time
frame
on
when
we
must
dedicate
this
school
site.
Our
number
one
goal
is
to
get
it
in
the
hands
of
someone
we'll
use
it,
but
just
say
you
can
give
it
to
any
qualified
public
school
whenever
you
would
like.
That's
what
we're
asking.
AA
AA
Yeah
yeah,
it
was
just
it
happened.
Yeah
a
year
ago,
the
boise
school
district
had
a
site
decided
they
didn't
need
it
sold
it
to
american
homes
for
rent,
they're
building
rental
housing
on
it.
Right
now
it
happens.
A
Okay,
I
guess
the
commission
needs
to
make
make
a
decision.
Are
we
going
to
proceed
to
another
hearing,
or
are
we
going
to
accept
the
recommendation
of
the
of
the
planning
and
zoning
committee?
A
I
think
before
we
proceed
with
that,
I
will
close
this
public
hearing,
so
I
will
close
public
hearing
on
application.
Number:
two:
zero:
zero,
six:
zero,
zero;
two
one:
nine
dash
cpa
dash
d,
a
dash
m
and
the
application
number
two
zero.
Two,
two:
zero
one:
three,
two:
nine
v,
a
c:
do
we
have
discussion
on
the
board
before
we
accept
the
motion.
Mr.
C
Chair
yeah,
maybe
could
you
or
staff
expand
upon
this
two
hearing
requirement
and
what
a
second
hearing
would
entail.
G
G
Yeah,
mr
chairman,
commissioner,
davidson
we
received
advice
that,
should
you
elect
not
to
follow
the
recommendation
of
the
planning
of
zoning
commission
would
represent
a
material
change
in
in
what's
being
considered,
and
the
advice
is
to
table
this
to
the
next
public
hearing
to
allow
all
interested
parties
to
be
able
to
comment
on
that
change
in
direction,
and
that
would
also
give
staff
time
to
revise
findings
of
fact
to
so
to
align
with
whatever
decision
you
make.
Whichever
direction
you
decide
to
go
today,.
A
Us-
and
that
would
require
it-
would
require
another
another
public
hearing,
then,
to
give
you
a
chance
to
if
we
choose
to
go
that
direction.
G
Yeah,
mr
chairman,
commissioners,
if
you,
if
you
chose
to
not
follow
the
recommendation,
the
planning
on
a
commission
we'd
have
the
table
to
revise
documents.
G
A
C
Well,
mr
chair,
I
I
mean
I
am
not
seeing
any
evidence
you
know
written
or
testimony
from
west
ada
or
anyone
really
associated
with
west
data
or
advocates
for
west
data,
hinting
that
they
even
want
this
land.
I
mean
it's.
C
I'm
sure
that
in
time
they
would
eventually
do
it,
but
it
seems
to
be
pretty
one-sided
debate
where
it
seems
the
community
is
pretty
unified
in
support
of
this
proposal
and
the
west
ada
school
district
is
just
kind
of
a
no-show.
So
that's
why
I'm
certainly
leaning
towards
sending
this
to
another
hearing.
F
Yeah,
mr
chair,
I'm
kind
of
tracking
the
same
way
was
disappointed
that
we
don't
have
anything
more
substantial
from
west
state
school
district,
interested
in
seeing
their
strategic
plan
and
their
current
student
body
and
then
their
projections
and
I
think,
moving
forward
with
anything
in
west
state
of
school.
We
need
to
start
probably
making
more
of
a
demand
to
get
information
from
them.
F
But
that's
it's
not.
I
don't
think
it's
in
anyone's
best
interest
to
let
this
land
is
set
there
when
we've
got
kids
that
are
right
there
in
the
neighborhood.
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
this
in
this
second
hearing,
I
think
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion
to
probably
approve
this,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
in
that
motion
that
we
make,
because
I
think,
that's
where
we're
leaning
that
we're
going
to
table
it.
F
But
I
want
to
make
sure
that
in
that
second
hearing,
that
we
set
this
up,
so
that's
where
we
discuss
what
ages
kids,
the
geographic
boundaries
of
the
students
that
will
go
there,
the
number
of
kids,
those
three
things
I
think
need
to
be
part
of
this
board's
conversation
and
not
just
left
to
hunter
homes.
So
I
think
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
it's
an
inclusive
school,
it's
going
to
be
public
school.
What
I
like
about
this
is
that
it
includes
blessed
data
they're
not
taken
out
of
the
equation
right.
F
G
A
Okay
and
that'll
give
that'll
give
staff
time
to
to
draw
up
the
the
change
in
the
development
agreement
and
yeah.
F
Yeah,
mr
true
I'll
make
the
motion
I'm
going
to
move
to
to
go
ahead
and
approve
the
boise
hunter
homes,
application:
two:
zero:
zero,
six,
zero,
zero,
two
one:
nine
c
p:
a
dash
d,
a
m
and
two
zero.
Two:
two
zero
one,
three,
two:
nine
v,
a
c
to
have
the.
F
What's
the
wording,
I
want
to
use
the
conditions
of
approval
staff
take
into
consideration
the
conditions
of
approval,
as
well
as
rewriting
the
findings
of
fact.
What
else
do
you
want
me
to
put
in
there.
G
F
M
F
AF
U
A
A
Y
Thank
you,
chairman
beck.
You
got
it
right.
Application
two
zero,
two,
two
zero
one,
four,
eight
four
dash
s
f,
p
dash
p
r.
This
is
spurwing
acres,
subdivision
applicant
is
kimberly
horn
and
associates
so
where
we're
located
here,
we're
just
south
of
the
boise
river
that
south
channel
there
and
then
just
north
of
spurwing
golf
course
westerlunder
road
and
here
is
the
property.
Y
So
there
is
a
proposal
before
you
for
a
preliminary
plat
private
road
and
flood
plain
application
for
a
residential
subdivision
consisting
of
15
buildable
lots
and
one
non-buildable
lot
properties
located
at
2421
west
duck
alley.
Road
consists
of
approximately
80
acres
in
the
rural
urban
transition
districts,
so
the
applicant
as
a
state
is
requesting
15
residential
lots
and
then
the
16th
lot
will
be
provided
strictly
for
private
irrigation
use.
Y
Here's
the
flat
on
your
screen,
so
a
private
road
will
also
be
provided
to
the
the
proposed
subdivision.
It'll
provide
access
and
frontage.
That's
required.
It's
gonna
snake
through
the
the
property
here
coming
off
of
duck
alley
road,
which
is
a
public
roadway,
and
it's
proposed
to
stub
in
to
the
property
to
the
west
for
future
development.
Y
So
the
subdivision
we
found
that
does
comply
with
chapter
8-6
of
the
ada
county
code,
since
the
lots
meet
the
dimensional
standards
it.
I
will
also
note
a
majority
of
the
property
is
located
within
the
special
flood
hazard
area
zone,
ae
of
the
flood
plain
and
therefore
you
have
the
floodplain
application
attached
to
this,
and
so
all
structures
within
that
flood
hazard
area
shall
be
elevated
to
at
least
a
foot
and
a
half
above
base
flood
elevation.
Y
Y
So
staff
and
planning
zoning
commission
are
recommending
approval.
We
did
not
receive
any
outright.
You
know
agency
comments.
That
said,
we
should
deny
this
application.
The
city
of
meridian,
though,
did
make
note
that
there
are
some
connectivity
issues
for
this
area.
They're
concerned
about
duck
alley
road
having
more
development
on
it,
and
so
they
would
like
to
see
that
this.
Let
me
go
back
here
that
this
private
road
proposed
is
actually
designated
as
a
public
roadway.
Y
That's
not
currently
in
the
conditions
before
you
and
the
highway
district.
They
recommended
approval
of
this
private
road,
but
if
you
did
wish
to
have
that
become
some
sort
of
public
roadway,
the
applicant
would
have
to
work
through
achds
requirements
and
their
procedures,
so
other
than
that
we
did
receive
some
comments.
Y
They
were
provided
to
use
late
exhibits
from
the
neighbors
to
the
west.
They
have
concerns
about
connectivity
as
well.
Safety
of
that
roadway
and
also
they
have
concerns
about
their
options
for
developing
in
the
future.
If
this
development
is
passed-
and
you
know
they
kind
of
miss
their
opportunities-
so
hopefully
they're
here
to
just
speak
on
that
as
well
and
once
again,
staff
and
planning
zone
commission
are
recommending
approval
with
conditions
and
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
F
Chair
go
ahead,
yeah
conor!
So
I'm
looking
at
a
letter
dated
september
6th
from
ray
iran
and
tim
gibson,
and
in
the
second
to
last
paragraph
they
say
we
would
prefer
commissioners
defer
the
hearing
to
a
date
certain,
so
we
could
collectively
meet
with
the
landowners.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
proper
process
was
followed
by
our
staff,
proper
posting
timing,
because
they
should
have
had
that
upper
that
opportunity
already.
Y
Y
These
folks
have
met
with
our
staff
in
person
that
came
to
us
and
expressed
their
concerns,
but
this
is
the
first
formal
letter
that
we
have
received
from
them.
They
were
also
at
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
hearing
as
well.
So
we
met
all
the
requirements.
Achd
has
also
provided
their
report.
They're
recommending
approval.
They
did
additional
traffic
counts
actually
because
of
the
concerns
raised,
and
they
still
deem
this
subdivision
proposal
as
something
they
can
recommend
approval
on.
F
And
achd
didn't
think
that
there
was
a
problem
with
this
subdivision
and
the
number
of
folks
trying
to
come
out
of
duck
alley
and
go
except
get
the
ingress
and
egress
to
lender,
because
lender
is
55
60
65
miles
an
hour.
You
come
right
down
that
hill,
because
this
is
right
where
the
lds
church
is
right.
Correct.
Y
F
Y
Yeah,
commissioner
kenny,
that
that
is
all
correct
based
on
their
analysis.
This
can
work
for
now
they
do
have
plans,
like
you
said,
in
their
five-year
work
plan.
I
believe
that
stated
somewhere
in
the
report.
20
26
27
somewhere
in
there
is
when
linder
would
widen
to
five
lanes,
but
as
of
now,
nothing
has
obviously
it's
still
two
lanes
today.
Y
Y
Chairman
back
commissioner
kenny,
that
is
what
is
proposed:
individual
septics
and
wells.
It
is
a
condition
of
approval
in
our
proposed
findings
that
each
of
those
wells
be
tested
for
nitrates,
and
that
information
is
then
provided
to
the
county
to
our
engineering
staff
for
review.
We
do
not
have
any
specific
conditions
about
depth
of
those
wells
or
what
is
required.
Y
Staff
has
consulted
with
our
engineer
with
our
county
engineer,
who
stated
that
as
part
of
the
well
driller
requirements,
they
will
have
to
submit
a
report
or
I'm
sorry,
there's
like
a
permitting
process
through
idwr
the
department
of
water
resources
and
because
this
is
within
area
of
concern,
star
bridge
concern
area.
I
believe
it's
called
those
wells
will
most
likely
have
to
be
200
feet
deep
or
more,
even
so
that
will
that
is
part
of
the
process.
Y
There
is
a
moratorium
in
this
area
for
non-domestic
wells,
so
that
would
be
you
know
things
that
are
not
single-family
dwelling
related.
There
is
a
moratorium
for
this
area
and
there's
you
know.
F
Looking
at
yeah
that
moratorium
right
now,
so
that's
just
for
so
as
long
as
it's
for
domestic
purposes
and
is
it
less
than
200
feet.
F
Y
Commissioner
kenyon
I'm
not
as
familiar
with
the
irrigation.
Hopefully
the
applicant
can
address
that.
It
is
a
condition
of
approval.
I
believe
condition
number.
Y
Y
F
Yeah
I
was
told
last
week
surprisingly
that
just
because
you're
in
an
irrigation
district
doesn't
mean
you
get
irrigation
water,
so
you
have
to
have
the
water
rights
you
know
to
go
with
that.
So
just
wanted
to
make
sure.
Since
you
know
water
is
becoming
a
hot
topic
in
the
valley
here
that
we're
doing
all
we
can
to
assure
that
we're
not
or
that
we
are
abiding
by
any
moratoriums
and
doing
what
we
need
to
do
as
a
governing
body.
Here.
M
A
Is
thank.
You
is
kimberly,
horn
and
associates
in
the
who
want
to
speak
to
this.
AI
Yep
nicolette
womack
from
kimberly
horn
address
is
1100
west,
idaho
street
number,
210
boise,
idaho
83702.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
AI
Thank
you
for
your
time
tonight
so
before
you
tonight
is
the
spurwing
acres
subdivision
kind
of
the
next
line.
AI
So
part
of
the
applicant
team
is
shown
here:
richter
reno's
with
cedar
and
sage
holmes,
who's,
the
home
builder
for
the
site,
teller,
bard
who's.
Here
tonight.
As
the
engineer
on
the
project,
my
name
is
nicolette
womack,
I'm
the
planner
on
the
project
and
ian
conair
is
also
an
engineer.
Next
slide.
AI
AI
AI
So
this
project
began
back
in
november
2021,
that's
when
we
had
pre-application
meetings,
so
those
are
meetings
that
city
of
meridian
and
achd
are
invited
to
to
give
us
that
initial
feedback
about
public
roads
and
anything
else
that's
going
on
the
project,
so
we've
had
almost
a
year
to
work
through
many
of
the
details
of
the
site
we
held
our
neighborhood
meeting
in
march.
That's
when
we
sat
down
with
all
the
neighbors
and
talked
about
the
project
in
more
detail
made
sure
they
had
all
of
our
contact
information
and
work
through
items.
AI
I'll
note
that
at
kimberlyhorn
we
do
run
our
neighborhood
meetings
more
as
a
workshop.
So
we
put
the
plans
down.
We
talk
with
everybody
one-on-one.
We
answer
questions.
We
talk
through
things
to
hear
about
where
the
irrigation
canals
are
exactly
from
the
neighbors,
so
it
was
a
very
robust
engagement
session.
For
us.
AI
Again,
you
know
where
the
site
is
north
of
chindin
west
of
linder.
Next
slide
so
again
duck
alley
road,
the
which
runs
along
the
north
of
our
property
line.
That
is
a
public
road
that
extends
all
the
way
to
linder
street
again
we're
80
acres
15
units,
which
is
a
density
of
5.23
dwelling
units
per
acre
internal
to
our
site,
everything's
accessed
from
private
road
next
slide
and
shown.
AI
Here
we
have
the
road
sections
and
our
engineer
I'll,
walk
you
through
the
improvements
that
we're
doing
to
the
public
road
duck
alley,
road
with
which
achd
regulates
next
slide,
and
this
is
a
concept
of
the
home
style
that
will
be
on
these
lots
next
slide
and
then
again
through
the
staff
report,
we've
read
and
are
familiar
with
all
the
conditions
and
agree
as
they're
written
for
now
next
slide
and
before
we
circle
back
here
and
wrap
up
actually
we'll
go
to
the
next
slide.
AI
We
have
a
few
back
up,
so
there
are
conversations
about
connectivity
in
this
area.
So
it's
important
to
know
all
the
pla.
The
factors
that
are
at
play
in
this
area,
on
the
north
side
of
our
site,
that
blue
line
is
the
boise
river
on
the
south
side
of
the
site,
is
the
canal
and
there's
a
steep
grade
change
as
well,
and
on
this
existing
site
duck
alley.
AI
AI
So
there
is
long
term
stability
for
for
these
things
to
be
addressed
on
our
site,
we
have
a
public
road
duck
alley
running
along
the
whole
north
side
of
our
site.
It
will
be
improved
to
a
standard
width
which
our
engineer
will
go
over
and
there
will
be
nothing.
I
guess
abnormal
about
the
road
at
our
site,
so
the
existing
improvements
are.
The
existing
issues
are
east
of
our
site.
AI
F
So
before
we
move
on
just
a
quick
question,
a
couple
so
you're
not
part
of
the
spur
wing
subdivision
and
sperwin
golf
course.
F
AJ
Name
evening,
commissioners,
my
name
is
teller
bard,
with
kimberly
horn
address,
1100,
west,
idaho
street
suite
210
boise,
idaho,
eight
three,
seven,
two
zero
commissioner
kenny
asked
your
question
specifically
there's
a
relationship
between
this
developer
and
the
ownership
group
at
spurwing.
Golf
club
and
they've
been
granted
permission
to
use
the
name
spurwing
within
this
subdivision.
There's
no
specific
agreement
at
this
point
that
members
of
this
community
will
have
access
to
the
golf
course.
That's
something
that's
still
still
being
worked
out.
Certainly
during
the
sales
of
these
lots.
AJ
AJ
There
is
a
the
eureka
main
canal
branches
off
the
phyllis
canal
at
linda
road
flows
along
duck
alley,
road
for
a
short
distance
and
then
deeve
kind
of
diverts
itself
to
the
south
and
to
our
south
boundary,
there's
a
sublateral
or
a
private.
Ditch
that
follows
duck
alley
road
that
supplies
water
to
our
project,
that
is
surface
water.
There's
no
additional
water
right
sought
for
this
development
via.
AJ
Yes,
those
will
just
be
domestic
wells,
I
believe
by
idwr
rules
those
rules.
Those
wells
are
capped
at
half
an
acre
of
private
irrigation,
which
is
there's
a
five
acre
lot.
So
that's
just
a
small
amount
of
the
lot,
so
the
rest
of
that
will
be
offset
with
the
existing
irrigation
right
that
the
lot
perceives.
AJ
F
F
Probably
four
or
five
years
ago
for
an
area
of
drilling
concern
because
of
this
exact
issue:
people
there
were
drilling
too
deep
and
they
were
drilling
into
the
potential
aquifer
again
the
the
utility
aquifer
that
viola
has,
and
so
now
they
have
those
standards.
And
so
I
would
like
to
see
us
have
a
conversation
when
we
deliberate
about
what
those
standards
would
look
like.
Y
Oh
you're,
fine,
chairman
beck,
commissioner
kenyon,
I
I
do
see
that
it
it's
stated
in
here
in
the
staff
report,
that's
recommended
of
300.
Y
Y
F
AJ
So
specific
scientific
knowledge,
I
think
in
this
case
you
know
I
can't
speak
to
exactly
what
depth
would
be
in
which
aquifer
but
being
as
these
will
be
wells
permitted
through
the
outdoor
department
of
water
resources.
I
believe
that
they
should
be
the
the
agency
to
recommend
depth
and
requirements
of
the
specific
wells
for
the
lots.
Again.
These
are
just
domestic
wells
domestic
service,
so
using
about
the
same
water
as
any
other
residential
lot
within
the
area
would
be
granted.
AJ
AJ
AJ
That'll
be
really
up
to
the
owner.
It'll
either
be
five
acre
lots
or
it
will
be,
they
will
build
spec
homes
and
sell
lots
or
build
homes
to
suit.
I
don't
think
they've
given
me
clarity
on
exactly
what
they
will
be
doing
there.
I
know
that
we'll
be
building
a
portion
of
the
lots.
I
think
you
have
agreements
with
other
home
builders
to
build
the
balance
of
the
lots.
Well,.
AF
AI
G
Thank
you
yeah,
mr
chairman,
commissioners,
exhibit
let's
see
31.
I
believe
county
engineer
indicates
that
the
site
is
not
within
an
area
of
drilling
concern,
and
you
know
I
guess
we
would
recommend,
leaving
the
you
know
well,
drilling
standards
to
the
idaho
department
of
water
resources.
That
would
be
my
recommendation,
so
it
sounds
like
a
portion
of
the
property
may
be
in
a
high
nitrate
priority
area,
but
they
will
still
be
required
to
go
through
that
process.
That
idwr
has
worked
for
well
drilling.
M
A
All
right,
I
guess
we
have
a
few
people,
we
don't
have.
Is
there
anybody
here?
That's
an
organized
opposition.
I
don't
think
so,
but
we
have.
We
have
some
people
that
want
to
speak.
Is
this
the
one
you
wanted
to
speak
to
elizabeth?
Yes,
please,
okay,
elizabeth
scott,
tuck,
tina
and
doug
come
on
up.
B
All
right
good
afternoon,
good
evening,
commissioners,
my
name
is
elizabeth
kekritz,
I'm
an
attorney
with
kimberly,
I'm
usually
working
with
kimberly,
I'm
an
attorney
with
gibbons
pursley
and
typically,
I
am
here
often
representing
with
kimberly
horn
today,
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
one
of
the
neighbors
who
lives
directly,
who
owns
the
property
directly
to
the
north.
B
B
I
am
here
because
he
actually
really
really
supports
this
project.
He
thinks
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
great
project
that
it's
a
really
good
looking
project,
it's
the
sort
of
thing
that
he
does
hope
to
one
day
be
able
to
develop
on
his
property.
Something
similar
as
do
many
of
the
other
neighbors
in
this
area,
is
my
understanding
that
for
the
most
part,
everyone
really
likes
this.
B
However,
I
am
here
because
there
are
a
couple
of
concerns
that
have
been
raised
and
that
are
just
really
concerning
the
first
one
is
achd,
does
not
have
a
problem
with
the
road
and
there's
actually
plenty
of
road
availability
for
my
client
and
other
surrounding
clients
to
be
able
to
develop
in
this
area.
However,
there's
an
issue
with
the
fire
fire
code
only
allows
30
homes
on
one
access
unless
the
homes
are
sprinkled.
B
One
of
the
recommendations
for
meridian
fire
was
that
these
homes
would
be
sprinkled,
and
so
we're
asking
that
that
be
included.
My
client
when
he
comes
to
develop
in
the
future
would
also
expect
this
to
be
a
requirement
that's
placed
on
his
home,
but
it
really
sort
of
equitably
distributes
that
everyone
who's
going
to
be
developing
in
this
area,
which
is
several
hundred
acres,
which
now
expected
to
develop
over
the
next.
You
know
two
to
five
or
six
years,
we'll
all
be
looking
at
sort
of
sharing
in
this.
B
We
want
to
be
able
to
build
here.
There
are
access
areas,
and
so
we
are
going
to
sprinkle
our
homes,
and
so
we
really
are
requesting,
especially
on
these
really
nice
large
lot
homes,
that
this
is
something
given
how
far
you
are
from
the
fire
house.
How
far
away
everything
is
that
we
really
do
think
that
this
is
important
in
this
area.
B
B
There's
no
opportunity
in
the
access
in
the
future
for
additional
access
for,
if
there's
an
emergency
and
people
who
are
but
living
back
there
trying
to
get
out
to
get
out
if
it's
something
where
they
say,
oh
well,
we'll
just
put
up
bollards
and
move
them.
If
there's
an
emergency
that
sort
of
thing,
it's
really
important,
as
this
whole
area
is
growing
and
developing
that
we're
able
to
get
that
connectivity
through
there
and
by
making
this
a
public
road.
That
really
helps
in
that.
U
B
They
did
not,
I
don't.
Oh
they
to
this
being
a
public
road.
They
just
said
that
they
approved
it
as
a
private.
I
don't
for
my
reading
of
the
report.
They
didn't
really
get
into
it
that
it
met
their
standards
for
a
private
road
as
well.
It
did
or
did
not.
It
did
so
long
as
they
made
it
whatever
they
chd's
standards
were.
She
said
she.
Y
She
is
correct,
essentially,
what's
on
the
table
is
a
private
road,
so
they've
approved
it
as
a
private
road.
If
you
would
like
to
you
know,
add
a
condition
or
table
list
to
have
a
public
road,
then
you
know
the
achd.
Would
then
you'd
have
to
go
through
their
process
to
change
the
report
and
yeah.
So.
Y
Sounds
right
is
that
right,
commissioner
or
mr
beck
sounds
like
leon's
on
the.
I
Yeah,
chairman
commissioners,
so
connor
and
I
did
meet
with
achd
staff.
They
said
they
were
open
to
evaluating
this
as
a
public
road.
Okay,.
B
B
M
I
B
Got
it
okay,
and
on
that
note
one
thing
that
my
client
and
I
believe,
some
of
the
other
neighbors.
We
realized
that
this
is
coming
rather
late
to
the
party,
but
this
final
achc
report
was
just
issued
on
september.
6
is
to
table
this
to
meet
with
this
owner
to
meet
with
some
of
the
other
landowners.
There's
a
lot
of
plans
in
the
works
right
now
meridian
wants
to
put
in
a
public
park.
B
It's
not
clear
how
the
access
there
works
it's
further
to
the
west
and
to
sort
of
just
have
a
meeting
between
ada,
county
planning
staff,
meridian
planning
staff
and
some
of
the
neighbors
to
really
sort
of
outline.
How
the
various
people
really
see
this
working
we're
not
asking
for
a
long
continuance,
but
I
just
think
that,
given
the
pinch
points
and
the
fact
that
lots
of
people
want
to
be
in
this
area,
it's
a
gorgeous
area
just
to
figure
out
the
best
way
to
make
this
all
work.
That
then
works
for
everyone.
F
A
AH
Chairman
commissioners,
scott
bishop
she
mentioned,
I
do
have
a
property
out
there
directly
to
the
north
and
from
what
I've
seen
of
this
property
and
their
you
know
all
the
stuff
they've
sent
out.
It
looks.
It
looks
great.
The
development
property
and
I've
been
excited
about
it
in
terms
of
you
know,
seeing
something
five
acres,
lower
density
like
that
is
was
was,
I
thought,
a
great
thing,
as
opposed
to
going
for
higher
density.
AH
But
then,
after
the
last
pnc
meeting
and
a
couple,
things
came
up
that
I
think
kind
of
just
alarmed
me
and
the
neighbors
around
that
simply
because
all
of
a
sudden
you
go
from
thinking,
hey
we've
got.
You
know,
low
density
development,
future
potential
to
oh,
hey,
there's
some
issues
about
fire
and
now
there's
only
30
lots
in
this
whole
area.
AH
Potentially
you
got
future
black
cat
or
maybe
tree
farm
access
down
the
way.
But
if
that's
not
there
and
you've
got
a
developer,
trying
to
develop
fire
marshal
says:
hey
we're
only
going
to
allow
30
just
because
that's
the
way
it
is
unless
you
have
sprinklers
right.
So
maybe
now
it's
like
hey,
let's,
let's
think
about
that
now,
so
we're
not
shutting
everybody
down
before
we
develop
the
next
several
hundred
acres
and
just
think
about
you
know
the
acreage,
that's
maybe
more
immediately
developable!
AH
So
it's
like
I'm
I'm
pro-development.
I
would
never
want
to
restrict
anybody's
property
rights.
I
just
don't
want
mine,
restricted
or
my
neighbors
either,
because
we
didn't
think
it
through
well
enough
and
we
kind
of
lock
everybody
out
after
the
fact
so
anyway.
Thank
you
for
your
time,
appreciate
it.
AH
Well,
I
don't
it
doesn't
affect
me
as
far
as
I
know,
in
terms
of
like
I'm
on
I'm
on
the
I'm
on
the
public
road.
Now
that
doesn't
mean
that
the
fire
thing
couldn't
affect
me
if
they
said
hey
only
30
lots
and
somebody
else
went
for
higher
density
before
I
did.
I've
only
got
really
potential
for
about
five
lots
on
my
property,
with
the
current
five
acre
and
the
and
the
front
edge
that
you
need.
AH
So
I
think
I'm
okay
with
that,
but
it's
the
only
reason
I
say
it
doesn't
affect
me
is
because
that
private
road
is
literally
on
their
property.
It's
on
the
80
acres.
It
doesn't
touch
me,
I
guess
a
good
way
of
saying
it,
but
what
could
happen
just
as
an
example-
and
I
think
my
neighbors
might
give
you
more
detail,
but
if
a
tree
fell
down
over
duck
alley,
for
example,
which
happens
frequently
fairly
frequently,
we
have
removed
several
of
those
if
you
couldn't
get
through
or
neighbors
couldn't
get
through.
AH
If
there
was
some
emergency
and
they
had
a
public
road
like
the
one
they're
proposing
to
get
through,
then
that
would
give
you
at
least
one
alternative
right
as
opposed
to
a
private
one
that
maybe
they
have
gated
or
something
where
you're
still
stuck
trying
to
chainsaw
the
tree.
I
think
my
time's
up.
F
Okay,
so
do
you
have
any
the
reason
I
asked
this?
Is
we've
had
a
a
group
of
folks
come
and
want
us
to
mediate
that
live
in
this
area
on
the
river
and
they've?
Had
lots
of
problems
with
hunters
duck
hunters
coming
and
shooting
into
their
homes,
and
so
is
this
one
of
that?
The
areas
that
has
been
problematic.
AH
You
know
I
haven't
heard
of
anybody
shooting
into
homes,
there's
no
homes
on
where
my
property
is
there's
not
really
adjacent
any
homes.
So
I
haven't
complained
about
duck
hunter,
shooting.
E
K
Commissioners,
tuck
ewing
here
representing
all
tech
holdings,
llc
1500,
north
el
dorado
boise,
we
own
the
property
to
the
west,
not
adjacent
to
the
proposed
development,
but
one
property
farther
west
is
your
chair.
Yes,.
K
Yeah
that'll
make
it
easier,
that'd
be
great,
so
the
the
star
right,
pretty
much
in
the
middle,
is
the
roadway
that
goes
down.
So
it's
the
property
and
then
the
two
ponds
back
there
more
towards
the
river.
K
It's
approximately
255
acres,
which
is
ours,
and
then
our
neighbor
to
the
west
is
is
dr
orem,
which
is
another
300
plus
acres
we've
been
working
with
the
city
of
meridian
for
many
years
now,
and
our
property
is
actually
the
property
that
the
proposed
park
for
the
city
of
meridian
will
will
ultimately
be
developed
on,
including
the
biggest
majority
of
that
pond,
not
the
long
one,
but
the
more
round
one
and
our
biggest
we
are.
K
I
guess
I
want
to
make
a
point
that
we
are
not
opposed
to
this
development
at
all,
but
we're
definitely
here
and
unfortunately,
we're
outside
of
the
radius
of
the
notifications.
So
we
are
late
to
this.
K
We
missed
the
planning
and
zoning
in
the
achd
stuff
because
we
weren't
notified
and
not
that
we
were
required
to
be
notified.
We
just
missed
it
so,
but
we
are
very
very
concerned
about
the
access
and
the
private,
because,
ultimately
the
goal
would
be
with
that
much
land
down
there
to
have
as
much
as
much
connectivity
as
possible.
K
We
do
anticipate
those
stars
that
are
on
the
map
to
ultimately
go
through.
We
don't
see
this
being
a
primary
access
point,
but
more
of
a
secondary
access
point,
but
with
the
volume
of
land
we
feel
it's
very
necessary
to
have
that
be
a
public
road
which
I
think
was
indicated
in
the
letter
from
the
city
of
meridian,
which
also
states
the
the
proposed
park
on
our
on
our
property.
K
So
we
we
definitely
would
would
ask
that
this
be
tabled
so
that
we
could
get
together
with
not
only
the
developers
but
certainly
engage
with
achd
the
city
of
meridian,
because
they,
when
we
had
our
discussions
with
the
city
of
meridian,
they
didn't
seem
to
be
as
up
to
speed
as
maybe
they
needed
to
be
with
this
being
a
private
road
and
with
the
assumption
that
that
private
road
is
getting
stubbed
to
the
neighbors.
Just
due
to
the
west.
K
Being
mr
anderson's
property
now
and
then
dead
ending
there,
which
would
stop
all
connectivity
going
west
and
it
does
seem
curious
that
the
city's
required
sewer
and
water
easements
but
doesn't
require
the
roadway
to
have
the
connectivity.
So
with
that
I'll
stand
for
any
questions
all
right.
Any
questions
I'll.
Y
Y
So
there's
no
public
road
currently
proposed
so
duck
alley.
Road
that
comes
along
the
north
boundary
of
this
proposed
subdivision.
That's
a
public
road
and
then
they
have
a
private
road
proposed
with
this
subdivision
that'll
snake
through,
where
kind
of
where
that
pond
is
there
now
just
the
east
of
that
it'll
snake
through
and
then
it's
going
to
stub
into
this
property
to
the
west.
Y
I
would
have
to
go
back
to
my
presentation
here.
One
second.
Y
So
you'll
see
down
there
kind
of
to
the
southwest.
That's
meridian
city
limits,
that's
the
closest
city,
limit
line
or
city
limit
boundary
where
just
to
the
southwest
it's
that
area,
it's
kind
of
in
pink,
just.
Y
F
K
We
will
annex
yeah
when
we
do
a
overall
development,
okay,
correct.
K
F
Y
M
A
Okay,
tim
gibson.
Y
F
AK
My
name's
tim
gibson,
I
live
at
2074
west
revere
in
meridian
and
I'm
partners
with
ray
rana
on
a
ranch
at
the
end
of
duck
alley
and
he
lives
on
the
ranch
right
now
presently,
and
we
want
you
to
know
that
we
are
for
the
development
we're
not
against
the
development,
but
we
have
some
concerns
and
with
these
photos
I
wanted
to
show
you
that
duck
alley
is
subpar
road
and
I
know
they're
going
to
do
some
improvements
on
it.
But
there
is
a
lot
of
issues
with
it.
AK
The
first
one
is
showing
the
cul-de-sac
at
the
end
of
duck
alley
by
ray's
house
and
the
other
one
is
duck
alley
west
from
linder
going
down
and
then
the
debris
along
the
road
that
verifies
that
the
trees
are
falling
down
and
that
there
is
hazards
along
there
and
then
the
erosion
and
number
five.
M
AK
AK
AK
AL
Mr
chairman,
commissioners,
my
name
is
doug
russell
with
the
land
group,
462,
east
shore,
drive
and
eagle,
and
I'm
here
tonight
representing
a
couple
of
the
landowners
out
here.
I've
been
having
some
conversations
over
the
past
few
months,
nothing
related
to
the
project
that
you're
hearing
tonight
just
doing
some
site
analysis
and
you
know
just
kind
of
gaining
an
understanding
of
planning
plan.
AL
You
know
comprehensive
plans
and
you
know
those
sorts
of
things
that
are
associated
with
these
properties
down
here
in
the
duck
alley
area,
and
so
when
this
achd
staff
report
and
this
letter
from
the
city
of
meridian
came
across
my
desk,
you
know
we
decided
it'd
be
good
to
come
in
here
and
speak
with
you
guys
and
again.
I
just
want
to
reiterate
not
against
the
project.
AL
It
seems
like
that
the
density
that's
proposed
and
the
lot
sizes
and
everything
are
right
on
par
with
kind
of
the
vision
that
people
have
had
for
this
area
for
a
long
time.
But
I'll
just
repeat
once
again,
I
think
the
the
transportation
situation
caught
a
few
of
the
landowners
off
guard
and
I
think,
with
the
city
of
meridian's
response
wanting
to
further
explore
that
connectivity.
AL
Well,
I'm
representing
mr
bishop
and
in
my
work
with
him,
I've
created
some
relationships
with
a
couple
of
other
landowners,
but
I'm
only
retained
with
mr
bishop
at
this
time.
A
AJ
Good
evening
again,
this
has
been
a
great
conversation.
We
really
appreciate
the
feedback
we
received
from
the
neighbors
and
their
consultants
going
through
these
items.
Specifically,
I
think
the
first
that
I
wanted
to
address
is
the
issue
of
taking
the
private
road
public
from
a
site
planning
perspective.
We
have
a
few
concerns
that
we
want
to
bring
up.
AJ
AJ
AJ
AJ
The
other
point
I
wanted
to
make
about
the
our
internal
private
road
being
public
is
that
it
doesn't
take
access
any
further
west
duck
alley
already
extends
as
a
public
roadway
to
our
northwest
corner.
If
we
were
to
take
our
internal
roads
public,
those
would
be
extended
to
our
western
boundary
just
to
the
same
limits
west
as
duck
alley.
AJ
Currently
is
so
from
that
perspective
we
don't
see
a
benefit
to
circulation
when
two
roads
are
extended
to
the
same
location
and
both
will
be
dependent
on
adjacent
owners
developing
to
complete
that
to
complete
that
access,
so
that
would
either
be
the
30
acres
right
on
our
western
boundary
would
take
that
road,
further
west
or
properties
associated
with
the
neighbors
that
have
come
here
to
speak
as
well.
Those
would
develop
and
they
could
also
take
that
road
further
west
to
help
improve
continuity.
AJ
One
other
point
I
want
to
make
about
the
private
road
is
that
per
canyon,
county
code
and
policy.
We
are
not
allowed
to
gate
the
subdivision.
It's
going
to
be
an
open
private
road,
so
issues
of
concern
about
safety
of
trees
falling
in
an
emergency
situation.
This
is
a
road
accessible
to
to
anybody.
It
doesn't
need
to
be
public
to
serve
that
purpose.
Private
road-
that's
not
gated-
can
be
driven
on
at
any
time
in
any
emergency.
AJ
AJ
He
did
recommend
sprinkling
spring.
Clearing
is
a
challenge
off
of
homes
that
are
off
of
a
well.
That
system
has
actually
has
to
be
charged
by
a
fire
truck,
so
there
should
be
dry
systems
and
that
the
fire
truck
actually
charges
the
system,
and
basically
it
works
as
if
it's
a
firefighter
in
the
building
sprinkling
it
there.
So
that
is
something
that
we
are
we're
opening
open
to
discussing
and
considering,
especially
if
it
allows
additional
units
to
be
developed
off
of
duck
alley
road,
which
we've
established
as
a
single
access
off
of
linder.
F
Yeah,
so
I
I'm
just,
I
guess,
I'm
confused,
because
we
have
all
these
people
here
saying
that
they
would
like
to
spend
30
days
with
you
trying
to
figure
out
a
more
comprehensive
approach
right
to
especially
the
ingress
and
egress
here
and
it
sound.
It
sounds
like
you've
had
these
conversations
and
you've
already
told
these
folks
that
you
don't
want
to
do
this
or
have
you
been
open
to
it.
AJ
So
I
think
it's
the
timing
of
it.
That's
of
a
specific
hardship
to
us
in
this
project
I
mean
back.
In
march,
we
had
a
neighborhood
meeting.
These
neighbors
were
in
attendance.
We
had
discussions
at
that
time,
not
specifically
in
march
in
march,
not
specific
to
taking
our
private
road,
and
it
was
shown
as
a
private
of
the
time
public
and
I
guess,
from
our
perspective
and
from
the
developer's
perspective,
we're
not
quite
sure
what
the
end
result
of
that
meeting
is
going
to
be.
AJ
I
think
it's
difficult
to
understand
how
access
would
be
improved
when
you
take
two
public
roads
to
the
same
point
west
when
extension
to
the
west
is
what
the
objective
is
for
both
meridian
and
just
the
landowners
that
are
there
west.
So
if
this
subdivision
were
to
propose
private
road
or
public
roads
and
take
them
west,
it
doesn't
increase
access
or
circulation
for
for
anybody,
and
it
places
an
equal
burden
on
the
other
properties
to
continue
a
road
and
with
duck
alley
being
on
a
relatively
straight
alignment
along
our
northern
boundary.
AJ
A
A
A
So
what's
the
pleasure
of
the
board?
Don't
have
any
yeah.
F
Mr
chair,
I
think
we've
heard
enough
testimony
here
tonight
by
local
folks.
People
who've
lived
here
for
a
long,
long
time
owned
property
in
this
area
for
a
long
time
and
enough
concerns,
and
it's
the
same,
repeated
concern
about
the
ingress
and
egress
and
the
the
sprinkled
system.
So
you
know
I'd
be
inclined
to
go
ahead
and
table
this
for
30
days.
Let
the
cedar
and
sage
organization
meet
with
the
neighbors
again.
F
I
would
hate
for
us
to
make
decisions
up
here
when
I
think
neighbors
can
make
their
own
decisions
when
they
work
together
and
collaborate
together,
and
that's
what
I'd
like
to
give
them
an
opportunity
to
do
once
again
so
having
an
outside
company
come
in
and
not
be
able
to
spend
that
extra
time
with
the
neighbors
that
have
shown
up
here,
I
think,
would
be
remiss
if
we
didn't
allow
that.
So
I'm
going
to
make
a
recommendation.
If
commissioner
davidson's
also
ready
for
me
to
do
that,
to
table.
C
We
heard
that
it
would
cost
you
a
whole
lot
if
the
road
was
made
public,
and
so
it's
obviously
it's
easy
for
everybody
else
to
say
you
have
to
build
the
road
when
it's
when
it's
not
their
property,
but
so
I
am,
you
know
I
am
very
sympathetic
to
that
and
if
it
comes
back
to
us
you
know
it's
I'd,
be
considering
that,
but
I
I
think
you
know,
based
on
the
testimony
we've
heard
it
probably
couldn't
hurt
to
give
it
another
30
days
to
see
if
some
kind
of
solution
could
be
worked
out
between
the
neighbors.
C
C
F
But
I
think
what
I'm
looking
at,
I'm
looking
really
for
an
opportunity
for
people
who
care
about
our
community
and
we're
looking
at
probably
four
or
five
six
different
developments
here.
This
whole
area
is
going
to
be
developed
and
so
as
a
board,
we
would
like
to
see
a
comprehensive
collaborative
plan
versus
these
one-offs
that
end
up
sort
of
making
a
mess
for
other
people
down
the
road.
F
So
I
would
really
expect
this
group,
hopefully
to
come
back,
we're
going
to
table
this
for
30
days
to
not
only
come
back
with
some
better
solutions
about
long-term
ingress
and
egress,
but
in
the
sprinklers,
but
anything
else
to
make
this
much
more
comprehensive
approach
with
knowing
that
it's
in
the
city,
meridian
city
of
impact
as
well.
So
I'm
going
to
make
the
motion
mr
chair
and
I'm
going
to
look
at
a
table
date,
richard
october,
12th.
F
Okay,
are
we
going
to
keep
it
open
for
we'll,
keep
it
open
for
additional
written
testimony
and
then
did
you,
mr
chur?
Did
you
want
to
also
then
take
additional
verbal
testimony
at
the
table
date.
F
Mr
chair,
I'm
gonna
make
a
motion
to
go
ahead
and
table
this
to
october
12
2022,
to
give
the
applicant
and
the
neighbors
more
time
to
get
together
and
see
if
they
can't
come
up
with
more
comprehensive
collaborative
approach
to
this
area.
That
seems
to
be
prime
for
development,
all
of
it.
F
So
when
we
make
decisions
about
ingress
and
egress
private
versus
public
roads,
I
think
we
want
to
have
more
more
insight
into
a
better
collaborative
long-term
approach
and
possibly
having
hchd
weigh
in
again
and
then
I
think,
we'll
look
at
the
conditions
for
the
sprinkle
system.
A
Okay,
do
we
have
a
second
to
the
motion?
Second,
okay,
and
I
might
add,
I
I
concur
with
mr
davidson's
assessment-
that
the
last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
be
taking
more
public,
more
rights
away
from
the
private
property
owners,
but
we.
A
A
Okay,
we
have
next
up
application
number
I'll
open
the
public
hearing
on
application.
Two
zero
two
one
761-v.
Y
Y
Y
The
property
is
located
at
7904,
south
micklin
talk,
hopefully
that's
correct
place
and
contains
1.23
acres,
so
the
applicant
proposes
to
construct
a
1,
000,
440
square
foot,
detach
accessory
structure
for
personal
use
and
storage.
The
property
is
a
lot
25
block,
one
of
chisholm
valley,
subdivision
number:
two.
Y
So
let
me
kind
of
zoom
forward
here.
These
are
those
setbacks.
I'm
talking
about
so
columbia.
Road
is
to
the
south.
It's
a
50-foot
setback
from
that
property
line.
So
it's
not
actually
where
the
road
is
per
se,
but
even
further
to
the
north.
That's
the
property
line,
so
all
that
airy
and
blue
is
that
southern
setback
and
then
those
other
colors
are
the
corresponding
setbacks
for
this
lot.
Y
So
I'm
going
to
go
back
here.
So
this
is
the
structure
that's
proposed
in
this
red
circle.
Here
it's
on
the
southern
kind
of
towards
the
southern
property
boundary,
and
so
this,
as
you
know,
variance
we
have
three
findings
we
have
to
make.
The
first
is
that
the
variants
shall
not
grant
a
right
or
special
privilege-
that's
not
otherwise
allowed
in
the
base
district.
Y
These
structures
are
accessory,
uses
for
these
properties
and
are
permitted
on
neighboring
properties,
some
of
which
are
also
in
the
setbacks.
You'll
see
there
to
the
west,
I've
got
another
accessory
structure
in
the
setback
even
to
the
south
across
the
road
you'll
notice.
There's
a
small
structure
there,
that's
within
the
setback
of
columbia,
road
there's
also
a
nearby
lot.
It's
further
to
the
west.
Y
That
contains
a
single
family
dwelling,
that's
also
in
the
setback,
and
so
the
the
second
finding
is
that
the
variance
relieves
an
undue
hardship
due
to
the
characteristics
of
the
site,
so
you'll
notice,
if
I
go
back
here-
there's
a
septic
and
leech
field
or
drain
field.
Just
to
the
north
of
this
proposed
structure,
that's
kind
of
really
the
only
area,
as
you
can
see
here,
that's
outside
of
the
setbacks.
Y
So
because
of
that
existing
septic
and
drain
field
and
there's
some
mature
trees
there.
It
presents
a
unique
situation,
also
the
configuration
of
the
sites
just
unique,
so
this
variance
will
relieve
an
undue
hardship
because
for
them
to
move
that
septic
system
or
remove
those
trees
would
cost
them
money
and
therefore
be
an
undue
hardship.
M
N
N
A
C
Well,
mr
chair,
it's
I'm
willing
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
application
number
2020
761
dash
v,
lovejoy
david,
based
on
the
findings
of
fact
and
conclusions
law
containing
the
staff
report.
The
testimony
heard
tonight.
A
Yeah
you've
heard
emotional
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye
aye
right
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
Good
luck!
All
right.
I
will
now
open
the
application
open.
The
the
public
carry-on
application
number
two:
zero:
two:
two:
zero:
zero:
nine
one:
zero
dash.
J
AM
Mr
chairman,
commissioners,
this
project
is
arizona
development
agreement
and
a
property
boundary
adjustment,
debris
zone,
18.38
acres
from
the
rural
residential,
the
rr,
which
is
a
10
acre
minimum
size
to
the
rural
urban
transition
that
rut,
which
would
allow
five
acres.
They
would
create
two
legal
parcels
with
a
five
acre
minimum.
The
property
is
located
at
9,
500
and
95.50
south
10
mile
road
and
the
applicant
is
bailey
engineering
inc.
AM
So
here's
a
picture
of
the
site.
This
one
acre
was
created
with
a
one
acre
split,
so
even
to
do
a
property
boundary
adjustment.
They
wouldn't
have
enough
property
to
create
two
five
or
a
five
acre
and
and
a
larger
one.
What
they're
proposing
is
5.89
acres
and
a
12.89
acre
site.
This
is
within
cuna's
area
of
impact.
A
Any
questions,
no,
sir,
no
questions,
as
is
the
applicant
here,
would
you
wish
to
speak
to
it.
AN
Daily
engineering,
katie
miller,
1119e
state
street
eagle,
idaho
83616.
Thank
you
guys
for
your
time.
It's
been
a
long
night,
pretty
simple,
cut
and
dry
asking
for
the
owners
wanted
to
do
a
property,
boundary
adjustment
and
based
on
the
acreage
that
they
wanted
to
split.
They
couldn't
do
it
in
the
existing
rural
residential
zoning.
Thus,
the
rut
that's
coming
with
this
and
the
da
that's
necessary
to
do
that.
So,
essentially,
you
can
go
to
the
second
slide.
If
you
don't
mind,
maybe
one
more
of
the
my
colors
yeah.
AN
So
as
you
can
see
in
the
picture,
the
red
area
is
the
existing
0.89
acre
lot.
The
yellow
line
is
the
line
of
the
boundary
of
the
property
boundary
adjustment,
which
would
be
the
5.89.
AN
F
You
question
for
staff:
okay,
go
ahead,
so
would
the
change
to
rut
impact
any
other
surrounding
neighboring
properties.
AM
Mr
chairman,
commissioner
kenyon
it
wouldn't
affect
any
of
the
other
properties
in
the
area.
The
city
limits
is
to
the
east,
and
so
it's
it's
not
going
to
affect
anything.
C
This
chair,
you
know
we're
not
hearing
any
testimony
posed
and
based
on
what
we've
seen
tonight,
I'm
gonna
make
the
motion
to
approve
application
number
two:
zero:
two:
two:
zero:
zero,
nine
910
cc
dash
d,
a
pba,
bailey
engineering
based
on
the
findings
fact
and
conclusions
of
law
contained
in
the
staff
report
and
the
testimony
heard
tonight.
A
P
P
Sorry
about
that
commissioners.
So
the
city
of
cuna
has
requested
ada
county,
remove
approximately
762
acres
from
its
area
of
city
impact,
which
it
no
longer
intends
to
annex
with.
As
shown
in
the
red
on
the
map
and
as
some
background,
there
was
a
large
development
proposed
for
this
property
back
in
2019,
which
cuna
ultimately
denied
due
partly
to
its
distance
from
kuna
city
services,
and
just
through
that
process,
they
ultimately
decided.
They
would
prefer
ada
county
retained
jurisdiction
of
this
property.
P
P
P
So,
in
summary,
the
application
before
you
tonight
does
not
include
any
development
or
changes
to
existing
land
use
designations,
but
would
result
in
ada
county
having
jurisdiction
on
any
future
land
use
applications
that
were
to
be
made
on
this
property,
so
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
application.
The
planning
and
zoning
commission
also
recommended
approval.
P
F
P
A
Okay,
there
is
one
person
signed
up,
is
patrick
doonslager
here,
patrick.
U
J
U
A
A
Okay,
unless
are
there
others
that
wish
to
testify?
How
about
you
richard,
mr.
A
Okay,
hearing
none,
I
will
close
the
I'll
be
carrying
on
application.
Zero.
Two:
two:
zero
one:
five,
eight
zero
z
c
dash
zoa.
What's
the
pleasure
of
the
board.
F
I
missed
your
chair
based
on
the
findings
of
facts
and
conclusions
law.
The
testimony
and
documents
are
presented
tonight.
I'm
gonna
make
a
motion
to
approve
two
zero:
two
two
zero
one:
five,
eight
zero,
zero.
A
H
A
We'll
hear
from
leon
is
leon
still
online.
Are
you
gonna
take
leon's
place
yeah.
M
G
G
Let's
see
what
else
leon
has
here
just
two
lots:
each
over
looks
like
six
acres
in
size,
so
we
have
here.
It
looks
like
it's
supported
by
the
city
meridians
comprehensive
plan.
The
the
fire
department
is
indicating
that
they
are
going
to
be
looking
at
access
to
the
structures
themselves.
Also,
they
recommend
sprinklers
be
installed
in
the
new
structures.
G
Engineer
has
found
the
projects
located
in
a
nitrate
priority
area.
New
wells
should
be
tested
for
arsenic,
uranium,
nitrates
and
then
those
results
reported
to
the
county
and
no
objections
from
build.
Our
building
department
and
the
central
district
health
is
also
requiring
a
full
land
development
application
and
test
holes.
Full
engineering
report
for
those
septic
systems
that
are
installed
as
well.
M
A
Okay,
any
questions
for
leon
stand
in.
F
A
Any
questions,
oh
all
right,
is
there
anyone
here
that
was
speaking
on
it
doesn't
look
like
it
hearing
hearing
that
okay
put
him
on.
J
I'm
good,
how
are
you
all
right?
Go
ahead,
have
a
good
night!
Well,
I'm
just
basically
here
to
answer
any
questions.
If
you
haven't
it's
pretty
straightforward
thought
split,
build
our
home
on
the
property
and
and
not
have
to
tear
down
the
existing
structures.
To
do
so.
A
A
C
Well,
mr
chair,
I'm
going
to
move
to
approve
project
number
202,
201
520-s.
A
Okay,
you've
heard
the
motion
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye,
aye
aye
motion
carries
thank
you
I'll,
open
the
public
hearing
on
application.
Two
zero:
two:
two
zero
one,
two
two:
three
s
dash
s,
that's
p
r!
Well,
here's
staff
report.
Y
Connor,
all
right
back
for
more
application.
Two
zero,
two
two
zero
one,
two
two
three
dash
s
p
r-
this
is
belvedere
estates
subdivision
applicant,
is
tili's
land
surveying
site
here
is
we're
just
south
of
the
freeway
up
on
the
hill
there,
just
north
of
overland
road
kind
of
west,
very
west
meridian
west
ada
county.
Y
So
this
is
a
preliminary
plat
and
private
road
extension
for
a
four
lot
subdivision
known
as
belvedere
estates
properties
located
well,
it's
addressed
at
5680
west
overland
road
and
contains
27.34
acres
in
the
rut
districts.
I
state
that
it's
addressed
off
overland,
but
it
does
not
have
direct
access
and
frontage
to
overland.
It's
the
old
address,
from
probably
back
in
the
day.
M
Y
So
here's
the
the
lots
that
are
proposed-
you
got
four
buildable
residential
lots.
A
private
road
was
previously
approved
to
come
off
a
view
drive
there.
It's
going
to
extend
further
into
this
development,
so
a
private
road
was
previously
approved.
It's
going
to
it's
bonded
for
currently
and
then,
as
you
know,
if
this
is
approved,
then
that
that
road
would
extend
further,
this
development
will
be
in
phases,
two
phases
so
phase.
Y
One
will
include
the
red
lot
there
in
the
blue
lot
and
then
phase
two
would
be
the
the
last
two
lots
and
so
you'll
see
there's
a
kind
of
a
t-bar
there
or
a
hammerhead
turn
around
right
there
in
the
blue,
lock.
That's
where
the
the
first
phase
of
that
road
would
end
and
then
phase
two
once
it's
ready
would
come
forth
and
then
they
would
continue
on
that
private
road
and
it
would
cull
the
sack
in
those
last
two
lots.
Y
Let's
see
here,
all
lots
will
be
a
minimum
of
five
acres
to
meet
the
rut
lot
size
minimum.
There
is
a
portion
of
that
proposed
private
road
that
goes
through
an
area
of
some
steep
slopes
or
the
hillside
development
overlay,
so
kind
of
just
northwest
of
where
that
cul-de-sac
is
that's
that
area.
That's
that's
a
little
more
steep.
So
at
the
time
they
go
to
construct
that
road
they'd
have
to
get
approved
of
an
administrative
level,
hillside
development
application-
and
that
has
grading
slope
stabilization
attached
to
that.
Y
But
that
would
be
at
that
time
as
it
exists
the
in
this
proposal
the
subdivision
complies
with
chapter
8-6
of
the
ada
county
code.
The
property
is
within
meridians
area
city
impacts,
so
it's
their
comp
plan,
we're
looking
at
it
designates
the
site
is
a
low
density
residential
which
is
compatible
with
their
proposal.
Y
Y
This
proposal,
though,
is
on
individual
septic
and
well.
The
county
engineer
did
comment,
and
I
think
this
is
where
we
got
hung
up
in
our
previous
item.
He
does
say
that
it
they
have
to
be
300
feet,
so
I
think
that
got
copied
over
from
the
previous
or
this
application,
but
anyways
it
is
300
feet.
He
does
know
in
his
in
his
comments
there
I
have
it
pulled
up.
The
nearest
well
is
just
over
I'd,
be
270
feet
deep.
So
that's
why
you
know
these
additional
wells
would
have
to
be
deeper
there.
Y
A
D
My
name
is
mark
herman
pat
tealy
could
not
attend
this
evening,
so
I'm
representing
as
the
applicant
slash
owner.
You
know
I
feel
like
at
this
point.
We've
done
a
pretty
good
job
of
following
the
rules
that
were
set
forth
in
front
of
us
working
with
the
parties
involved
to
get
things
resolved
and
the
plan
you're
looking
at
was
developed
based
on
those
rules
and
regulations.
So
we're
basically
just
here
to
ask
for
your
approval.