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A
Running
and
zoning
commission
meeting
it's
thursday
june
23rd
2022
and
we'll
do
a
roll
call.
Brenda
blittman
is
here,
commissioner
burch
here,
commissioner
exten
is
absent.
Commissioner
wickstrom
is
here,
commissioner
brown.
B
A
C
C
It
contains
a
single-family
home
properties
in
the
surrounding
area
or
vicinity
include
single-family
homes
to
the
north,
east
and
west
to
the
south
is
farmland
which
is
kind
of
better
depicted
on
this
visual.
Here.
C
C
It
should
be
noted
that
the
screening
for
the
leased
area
will
need
to
be
something
other
than
chain
link
and
the
applicant's
aware
of
that
and
will
be
doing
so
pictured
here
are
the
propagation
charts
for
coverage
in
the
area
as
it
exists
today,
and
the
coverage
anticipated
after
the
installation
of
the
tower
so
to
the
left
here
is
coverage
today
and
to
the
right
is
coverage
post
tower.
C
Also
should
note
that
t-mobile
is
the
anchor
carrier,
not
verizon,
which
I
think
that
was
mentioned
in
the
staff
report.
Finally,
all
reviewing
agencies
come
with
standard
conditions.
It
is
supported
by
the
boise
comprehensive
plan.
The
accounting
building
official
has
no
objections.
Permits
will
be
required,
however.
Boise
fire
department
has
no
objections
and
the
aid
accounting
engineer
has
no
objections,
but
we'll
also
review
the
project
for
drainage
and
other
things
typical
of
of
their
purview.
A
Yeah,
if
you'll
give
us
your
name
and
address
when
you
come
forward,
that
would
be
great,
and
I
wondered
why
he's
doing
his
presentation
if
we
have
a
if
we
can
get
the
list
of
people
that
want
to
testify.
D
My
name
is
josh
leonard
of
clark
world.
My
address
is
251
east
front
street
suite
310
here
in
boise,
just
right
across
the
street
chairman
blittman
and
members
of
the
commission
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
before
you
today
and
to
present
leon
covered
a
little
bit
of
what
I
was
going
to
cover
so
we'll
try
to
blaze
through
this
really
quickly.
If
we
can
start
through
the
slides,
just
an
outline
of
where
we're
going
to
be
going.
The
the
key
point
here
is
the.
D
D
This
is
a
tower
that
comes
in
with
a
with
a
an
anchor
tenant
t-mobile,
as
as
leon
mentioned,
also
like
to
thank
you
really
quickly
before
jumping
out
just
for
your
time
and
review
and
the
materials
and
and
and
for
being
here
tonight
and
and
thank
leon
as
well
for
for
the
staff
report
and
mention
that
we
agree
with
all
of
the
conditions
in
there,
including
that
that
vinyl,
that
additional
vinyl
fence
condition
if
we
can
start
through
the
facts
of
the
glands,
pretty
pretty
basic.
D
As
as
liam
mentioned,
100
foot
tall
with
a
5
foot
tall,
lightning
rod
50
by
50
lease
area,
we'll
show
that
in
just
a
second
on
the
site
plans
we
can
go
to
next,
ariel
of
the
property
with
the
site
and
its
relationship
to
the
property.
You
can
see
on
the
property.
There's
a
existing
single
family
residence
as
well
as
an
existing
barn.
Both
will
remain
next
zoning.
D
District
as
as
leon
mentioned
next,
why
here
the
our
rf
expert,
stephen
kennedy,
will
talk
more
about
this
in
a
minute,
but
I
wanted
to
give
you
the
kind
of
the
layman's
explanation,
yeah
it's
capacity
and
coverage
which
which
are
different
things
and
it's
due
to
due
to
growth
in
the
area
it's
to
offload
from
other
sites
and
as
you'll,
see
on
some
of
the
stuff
on
some
of
the
information
and
data
that
that
steven
presents
there's
a
significant
gap
in
coverage
in
this
spot
that,
due
to
some
terrain,
issues
can't
be
reached
by
by
other
neighboring
sites.
B
D
Again,
increased
capacity,
better
coverage.
The
points
I
wanted
to
highlight
on
this
slide,
though,
at
the
bottom
cell
phones
are
increasingly
ubiquitous
right.
Everybody
has
them
and
to
the
point
now
where
57
of
american
homes
rely
on
them
as
they're,
instead
of
a
landline,
that's
actually
higher
in
idaho,
we're
close
closer
to.
D
I
think
it's
just
over
60
percent
of
idahoans
who've
cut
cut
the
cord
so
to
speak,
and
then.
B
D
Of
of
nationwide,
911
calls
are,
are
from
nine,
are
from
a
mobile
phone.
Next
I've
overlaid
the
site
plan
with
the
property
here,
so
you
can
get
an
idea
of
where
the
where
it
will
be
in
relationship
to
the
existing
structures.
That's
a
50
by
50
foot,
enclosed
compound
that
will
be
graveled
the
existing
structures,
both
the
barn
and
the
single-family
residents,
take
their
access
off
of
colombia.
That's
not
the
case
with,
with
the
the
cell
tower
site,
it's
going
to
take
its
its
access
off
of
that
small
little
green
acres.
D
I
think
it
is
via
a
20-foot
easement.
Next
again
the
site
plan.
You
can
see
there
with
the
equipment
to
support
carrier's
antenna
that
will
go
up
on
the
tower,
which
has
room
for
four
carriers
pursuant
to
ada
county
code
were
required
to
do.
I
think
it's
us
plus
two,
and
we
did
one
more
than
that,
which
I
I
think
I've
been
here
before
you
before
and
mentioned
that
that
has
a
lot
to
do
with
the
height
of
the
tower.
D
D
Next,
there's
the
the
elevation
you
can
see
on
the
bottom,
as
leon
mentioned,
it's
a
chain
link
fence
and
that
needs
to
be
vinyl.
We'd.
Ask
you
to
add
that
as
a
condition
of
approval.
D
One
thing
I
wanted
to
clarify
in
the
initial
application
that
we
submitted,
there
was
a
miscommunication
between
myself
and
the
and
the
rf
expert
that
you're
going
to
hear
from.
I
take
full
responsibility.
We
thought
our
anchor
tenant
was
going
to
be
verizon,
and
so,
when
we
initially
when
he
initially
did
his
his
aerial
and
his
analysis,
he
used
verizon
towers
and
used
the
the
the
closest
verizon
towers
to
analyze
it.
This
shows
that
that
was
in
our
initial
application
staff
recognize
that
there
are
closer
towers.
D
That's
when
we
realized
we
were
doing
it
for
t-mobile
and
not
for
for
verizon,
and
the
next
slide
shows
those
closer
towers,
the
1.53
mile
tower
and
the
1.3.
D
Mile
tower
are
both
already
have
t-mobile
on
them
and
don't
reach
the
significant
gap
in
coverage
due
to
some
terrain
issues.
The
1.22
mile
tower
doesn't
have
any
carriers
on
it
and
I
steve
can
get
into
it
a
little
bit
more
deeply,
but
it's
it's
only
0.3
miles
0.31
miles
from
the
existing
t-mobile
site
and
and
the
terrain
issues
affect
that
site
as
well,
wouldn't
be
able
to
serve
this
area.
As
I
said,
it's
just
a
tower
with
no
carriers
on
it
next
slide.
D
The
alternate
site
analysis
I
in
going
through
this.
What
happens?
Is
a
carrier
in
this
case,
what
we
thought
was
verizon
turned
out
to
be
t-mobile,
we'll
notify
us
of
or
we'll
notify
the
the
site,
acquisition,
team
of
a
coverage
circle
or
a
search
ring
within
that
the
cert,
the
the
team
will
go
out
and
look
for
properties
that
are
first,
that
the
zoning
doesn't
procl
preclude
a
tower.
D
Second,
that
they're
large
enough
that
you
can
have
the
setbacks
that
are
required
from
from
property
lines
and
also
that
they're
the
that
their
practical
concerns
are
met
grade
the
power
is
there
or
close.
D
If
there
are
existing
improvements
that
can't
be
can't
be
worked
around
and
then
the
last
one
is,
is
often
the
most
difficult
and
that's
a
willing
landowner,
somebody
who's
willing
to
lease
a
50
by
50
piece
of
their
of
their
property
for
a
cell
tower,
for
you
know,
20
30
years
in
this
instance,
this
was
the
the
only
site
in
the
search
ring
or
that
could
serve
the
search
ring.
That's
a
that's
a
good
point
to
make
too
it's
it's
less
important.
Well,
I
shouldn't
say
it's
less
important.
D
It's
equally
important
that
it's
in
the
search
ring
that
the
tower's
in
the
search
ring
as
that
it
can
serve
the
site
within
the
ser
search
ring
this.
This
one
does
both
both
in
and
serves
the
surgery,
the
rf
justification.
Again
just
my
late
perspective.
The
towers
go
where
people
are.
We
hear
a
lot
of
people
who
don't
love
cell
towers
in
their
in
their
viewscape.
D
The
same
people
who
are
using
cell
phones
pretty
regularly
and
and
it's
the
increase
in
population
or
it's
the
shift
in
in
geographical
location,
that
that
pushes
cell
tower
coverage
and
and
drives
the
need
for
more
towers,
neither
cell
tower
companies
and
willing
to
put
it
this
way
cell
tower
companies
wouldn't
be
putting
antennas
up
if
they
didn't
need
to
to.
For
for
customer
service,
it's
a
it's
a
cost
for
them,
not
a
not
a
benefit.
E
Good
evening,
madam
chair
vice
chair
commissioners,
my
name
is
stephen
kennedy:
11142
northwest,
165th,
drive,
suite
343,
surprise
arizona.
So
as
josh
salud,
I'm
the
radio
engineer,
that's
that's
helping
out
with
this
site.
If
we
look
at
the
existing,
so
there's
two
ways:
a
cell
tower
is
needed,
one
provides
coverage
and
it
provides
capacity
coverage
is
the
ability
to
talk
to
the
phone
so
that
the
phone
and
the
tower
can
actually
communicate.
That's
coverage.
E
It's
providing
a
level
of
service
capacity,
as
these
networks
get
more
and
more
broadband,
and
these
mobile
phones
require
more
and
more
throughput
capacity
becomes
an
impact.
A
radio
channel
is
a
finite
resource
and
when
everybody
uses
it
all
the
users
within
the
area
are
on
that
same
radio
channel.
So
one
person
streaming
one's
person's
using
the
web,
one
person's
downloading
emails.
E
All
of
this
impacts
the
service.
So
it's
a
fixed,
it's
a
fixed,
fixed
resource.
I
I
kind
of
call
it
the
thanksgiving
principle
you
and
your
significant
other.
You
have
wi-fi
access
point
in
your
house.
You
know
where
the
coverage
is
in
your
house
with
the
access
point.
You
know
where
you
get
really
good
throughput
and
what
happens
on
thanksgiving.
What's
the
first
thing
everybody
asks
for,
can
I
have
your
wi-fi
password?
So
what
happens?
E
All
of
a
sudden
you've
got?
You
know
xbox
or
kids
walking
around
streaming
playing
games
on
their
tablets
and
stuff,
like
that,
all
of
a
sudden
you
used
to
have
coverage,
but
you
don't
in
some
particular
areas
that
are
farther
away
from
the
access
point
or
I'm
buffering
on
my
netflix.
So
this
is
just
kind
of
gives
you
an
explanation
of
coverage
versus
capacity
next
slide.
E
Please,
it
looks
like
somebody
got
the
big
chief
and
crayons
out,
but
basically
the
green
means
in
building
service,
so
rf
energy
is
able
to
pass
through
the
walls
of
the
construction,
constructed
houses
or
buildings
or
whatever,
and
that's
what
green
means
in
vehicle
yellow.
I'm
inside
my
vehicle,
I'm
able
to
drive
around
and
be
able
to
talk
on
the
phone
in
the
vehicle
red
is
open
field.
I'm
I'm
outside
I'm
on
the
golf
course,
I'm
you
know
out
in
the
field,
whatever
that's
what
the
red
means.
E
So
we
can
know
that
there's
a
significant
amount
of
red
in
some
areas
where
there's
no
coverage.
These
rf
levels
are
neg85
for
in
building
dbm
rsrp,
it
is
neg
95
for
in-vehicle
rsrp
and
it's
nega
106
for
on-street.
So,
once
again,
broadband
data
networks
require
a
little
more
energy
to
be
able
to
make
those
links
and
allow
those
phones
to
do
those
really
really
demanding
things
like
streaming.
Video
go
to
the
next
slide.
E
This
is
root
metrics,
a
third-party
company.
They
go
out
and
drive
test
and
they
look
at
wireless
carriers.
That's
all
they
do
they
nationally.
They
drive
all
year
long
they're
all
over
the
place,
and
this
shows
that
within
the
area
of
of
concern,
one
there's
some
some
areas
where
we
don't
have
any
readings,
but
this
is
where
mobile's
the
test
equipment
shows
red
slow
for
throughput
orange
is
moderate,
yellow
is
fast,
light
blue
is
faster,
and
then
you
know
the
dark.
Blue
is
super
fast.
E
Now,
if
you
remember
where
the
site
placements
are
up
to
the
north,
northeast
and
you'll
kind
of
understand,
why
there's
a
lot
more
blue
up
going
going
on
up
in
there?
Next
slide,
please,
okay,
this
is
another
source
of
data.
This
is
crowdsource
data.
This
is
open
signal,
so,
whenever
you
load
an
app
on
your
phone
like
facebook
or
something
like
that,
you
give
them
all
the
permissions
to
access
your
phone
and
everything
you're,
also
giving
permission
to
load
open
signals
app,
which
is
a
thin
app
that
says
anytime.
E
I
connect
to
the
network,
I'm
going
to
report
back
to
a
server
farm.
What
rf
level,
what
quality
it
was.
So
you
can
see
in
the
legend,
green's
good
red's
bad
now,
there's
two
things
that
come
out
of
this
one.
There's
there's
some
red
going
on
down
there.
It's
not
really
doing
great
and
two
mobiles
are
having
a
hard
time
attaching
to
the
network
right.
So
there's
there's
not
a
lot
of
coverage
and
you
get
farther
to
the
east.
E
E
This
is
another
crowdsource
data
you
can
see
where
the
site
is
and
look
to
the
right,
you're.
Seeing
a
lot
of
orange
and
red,
that's
bad
orange
and
red
means
it's
neg,
115
or
lower,
and
remember
I
talked
about
open
field
was
neg
106.,
the
lower
the
lower
the
number
towards
the
negative,
the
worse,
the
coverage
and
the
phone's
not
going
to
be
able
to
connect.
So
we've
got
a
whole
lot
of
not
really
good
stuff
happening
to
the
east
of
that
site
in
a
lot
of
those
houses
next
slide.
E
So
I
did
a
drive
test
measurement
and
I
went
and
took
measurements.
I
used
a
t-mobile
phone
with
a
sim
and
I
also
used
a
scanner,
so
it
scanned
all
the
networks.
So
I
did
a
quarter
mile,
half
mile
three
quarter
mile
concentric
ring.
I
took
measurements
north
south,
east
and
west
of
eachine.
It's
not
a
standard
drive
test.
It's
not
running
40
lambda,
it's
not
driving
the
vehicle,
I'm
getting
to
a
position,
I'm
just
going
stationary!
I'm
telling
the
scanner
take
a
reading,
see
what's
going
on
in
the
network.
E
Two
things
to
take
from
this
is
speed
for
throughput
and
latency.
I
did
speed
test
where
I
tried
to
do
a
download,
app
you've
heard
speedtest.net,
it's
an
app.
You
can
load
on
your
phone
test,
anything
test,
your
wi-fi,
whatever
I
use
that
app,
because
it's
publicly
available
everybody
uses
it,
and
then
I
used
the
scanner
data
from
the
wilson
pro
receiver.
Now
the
data
network
measurements
remember
is
a
broadband
data
network,
so
rsrp
and
rsrq
rsrp
is
a
signal
level.
E
So
here's
here's
the
drive,
so
I
went
out-
and
these
are
all
the
data
points
on
the
left.
These
are
all
the
readings
I
took
they
weren't
exactly
on
the
circle,
because
I
had
to
find
a
spot
safely
to
pull
over
off
the
road
and
not
get
hit
so
they're
they're,
all
kind
of
off
a
little
bit
from
being
right,
exact,
quarter,
half
and
three
quarter.
So
if
you
look
at
the
table
on
the
right
there's,
it
shows
frequency
the
band's
being
used,
the
frequency
that
the
scanner
pulled
rsrp.
E
E
You
know
it
can
be
pretty
hot,
but
if
you're
not
getting
good,
rsrp
you're
not
able
to
process
those
requests
off
the
mobiles,
so
you
can
look
at
the
legend
down
below
and
I
give
you
the
numbers
on
everything
I
won't
go
over
it,
but
green,
yellow,
orange
red
and
then
I
went
ahead
and
put
that
up
those
colorize
those
levels.
You
can
see,
there's
a
whole
lot
of
red
there.
It's
low!
E
This
was
my
throughput
latency
test,
so
speed
test.
So
I
went
at
the
same
locations.
I
just
told
the
phone
hey
go:
go!
Do
this
test
now
off
t-mobile's
websites
for
typical
4g
lte
coverage?
They
want
to
see
19
to
76
megabits
per
second.
They
want
the
customers
to
be
able
to
have
that.
They
want
the
upload
speed
of
4
to
20
megabits
and
they
want
a
latency
of
24
to
40
milliseconds,
which
is
how
long
does
it
take
for
my
mobile
to
reach
the
server?
So
those
are
some
pretty
hefty
numbers.
E
You
can
look
at
5g,
that's
some
even
some
increased
quality.
If
we
look
at
the
data
yeah
we're
not
getting
close
to
that.
The
best
we
see
for
latency
is
about
65
milliseconds,
which
is
you
know,
25
more
milliseconds
and
latency
is
required.
Download
megabits
we're
seeing
five
that's
about
the
best,
and
it's
not
it's
pretty
far
away
from
19
to
76
and
upload
we're
seeing
about
the
best
case.
We
had
1.21
megabits
per
second,
which
is
a
pretty
slow
upload
and
then
at
data
position
number
nine
location.
E
I
had
a
bunch
of
failures
on
the
speedtest.net
that
it
wasn't
even
connecting
to
the
server
or
I'd
fail
and
upload
or
fail
on
the
entire
test.
So
this
gives
you
two
things.
One
gives
you
coverage
what
the
scanners
reported
and
then
it
gives
you
what
the
t-mobile
customers
are
seeing
for
quality,
what
what's
the
capacity
what's
the
throughput
and
it's
significantly
lower
than
what
t-mobile's
published
on
their
website
and
what
they're
trying
to
shoot
for
in
their
network.
Hence
the
need
for
the
site
next
slide.
E
Once
again,
this
is
t-mobile
coverage,
existing
green
indoor,
yellow
and
vehicle
red
on
street
on
the
next
slide.
There's
after
so
we're
a
whole
lot
more
in
building
coverage
going
on
in
the
area
we
go
the
next
slide.
You
get
a
side-by-side
comparison,
so
I
put
all
those
in
and
you
can
kind
of
see
what's
going
on,
for
you
know
the
dominant
server
area,
what's
what's
being
seen
next
slide,
so
we
have
poor
existing
wireless
service
for
t-mobile
and
the
area
under
test.
E
We
show
significant
gap
in
quality
service,
significant
we've
seen
from
data
from
drive
testing.
That's
we're
not
getting
good
rsrp
or
rsrq
levels
and
we're
getting
very
poor
throughput
levels.
So
I
recommend
approval
to
propose
facility
I'm
available
for
questions.
I
think
the
next
slide
is
my
compatriots.
D
F
You
very
much
thank
you,
madam
chair
did
you
did
you
hold
two
neighborhood
meetings.
D
We
did,
we
did
the
first
one.
The
the
list
that
we
got
in
from
the
county
didn't
have
enough.
It
didn't
have
the
white
enough
circumference,
so
we
did
two
okay
and.
F
D
D
D
A
You
any
other
questions,
any
questions.
I
have
a
question
sure.
So
a
lot
of
cell
phone
towers
have
the
tree
design
versus
the
straight
non-tree
design
right.
So
what
was
what's
your
just?
You
know
what
what's
your
rationale
on?
Why
you
didn't
choose
the
tree
design
on
this
one.
D
Typically,
we
we
do
it
when
it
when
it's
required
as
a
as
a
condition
and
and
that's
when
people
around
ask
for
it
when
neighbors
ask
for
it
the
reason
why
we
don't
come
in
with
it
initially
frankly,
the
first
reason
is:
cost
is
just
significantly
more
expensive.
The
second
reason
is:
there's
just
not
a
lot
of
100
foot
tall
pine
trees
in
the
area,
so
it
did
stand
it.
D
A
E
So
the
rf
safety
or
rs
rf
emissions
are
regulated
by
the
federal
communication
commission.
So
any
licensed
transmitter
that
works
in
the
united
states
has
to
follow
a
specific
absorption
rate
of
1.6
kilograms
per
meter
squared.
So
the
energy
that's
coming
out
from
the
tower
has
to
be
within
certain
limits.
Well,
the
fcc
found
that
limit,
and
then
they
worked
with
the
national
institutes
of
health.
They
worked
with
osha,
they
worked
with.
There
was
so
many
scientists
and
doctors
and
everybody
involved
all
this.
E
E
I
mean
carriers
annually,
look
and
make
sure
the
emissions
are
being
met
and
everything
is
safe
and
the
fcc,
even
when
they
came
up
with
that
limit,
they
said
well
we're
going
to
make
it
10
times
less
for
safety
just
to
even
get
a
further
brother
buffer
for
occupational
area
and
50
times
safer
for
general
public.
So,
if
you'll
grant
me
a
little
bit
of
time,
I
can
tell
you
so
there's
two
types
of
energy.
There's
ionizing
and
non-ionizing
ionizing
is
gamma
rays,
x-rays,
things
that
pass
photons
through
your
body.
You
go
to
the
dentist.
E
You
sit
down,
they
take
your
x-rays.
What
happens?
They
put
the
lead
over
coat
on
you,
the
person
taking
the
x-rays
walks
out
the
room.
That's
because,
within
that
room
is
a
faraday
cage.
So
no
energy
comes
out.
Person
doesn't
want
to
be.
You
know,
irradiated
a
lot
because
that
changes.
Dna,
okay,
non-ionizing,
is
light
bulbs.
Wi-Fi
access
points,
antennas
right,
so
it's
the
only
side
effect
is
heat.
You
ever
notice.
When
you
talk
on
the
phone
for
a
long
time,
the
phone
gets
warm.
E
That's
because
the
amplifier
is
working,
so
the
amplifier
is
creating
two
things:
it's
creating
an
rf
signal
and
it's
creating
heat.
So
if
you
look
at
the
safety
levels,
it's
non-ionizing
energy,
so
the
only
side
effect
is
heat.
It
gets
warm.
The
antenna
is
warm,
but
everything
around
it.
You
go
the
power
level
at
the
top
of
the
tower
versus
the
power
level
at
the
ground
is
like
one
one
thousandth,
this
relative
to
the
specific
absorption
rate,
so
the
farther
you
get
away
is
proportional
to
the
square.
E
So
if
I
have
a
phone
next
to
me,
I'm
getting
50
of
the
general
public
limit
from
that
phone
with
that
tower,
I'm
getting
less
than
10
of
the
general
public
limit
right.
So
if
I
double
my
distance,
it's
the
square.
If
I
double
the
distance
again,
it's
a
square
lower,
lower,
lower
it's
distance.
It's
proximity
based
right.
If
you're
in
your
house,
you're
getting
more
from
your
microwave,
your
clock,
radio,
you
know
your
wireless
phone
that
you
use
at
home.
E
Your
baby
monitor
that's
putting
out
more
energy
because
you're
close
to
it
versus
that
tower.
Second
thing
is
occupational
versus
general
public.
What
does
that
mean?
Occupational
is
going
a
rooftop
in
downtown
boise.
There's
antennas
on
that
rooftop,
I'm
an
air
conditioner
guy-
I
don't
know-
I
don't
know
I
you
know,
there's
rf
safety
or
anything
like
that,
so
people
will
put
in
like
barriers
to
make
sure
that
person
stays
away
from
that
antenna.
There's
a
lot
of
signs
a
lot
of
placards
to
say,
you're
really
close
to
antennas.
E
You
kind
of
need
to
be
aware
right,
so
this
is
kind
of
a
safety
zone.
You
kind
of
need
to
stay
out
of
here
or,
if
you're
in
here
you're
in
here
for
less
than
30
minutes.
Okay,
that's
occupational!
It's
a
controlled
roof!
You
can't
get
there!
You
got
to
have
a
key.
You
have
a
security
code
guard
has
to
let
you
in
something
like
that.
It's
controlled,
it's
occupational,
general
public!
Is
I'm
walking
down
the
street
downtown.
E
I
don't
know
where
any
tenants
are
and
where
your
towers
are
so
the
fcc
built
in
that
50
times,
reduction
in
the
specific
absorption
rate
and
said:
hey,
let's
really
really
tweak
this
down.
So
when
you
walk
by
and
there's
a
small
cell
on
a
on
a
light
pole,
you
don't
even
know
it
there's
antennas
there
they're
radiating
but
they're,
not
outside
of
the
general
public
limit
they're
within
the
scc's
tolerances.
The
scc
regulates
this
beyond
belief
and
the
carriers
they
spent
millions
and
billions
of
dollars.
The
last
aws
3
auction
the
last
auction.
E
It
was
the
c-band
auction
brought
86
billion
dollars
in
bids
to
the
federal
government.
So
all
that
money
hit
the
national
treasury.
That's
a
lot
of
money.
If
I
spend
a
lot
of
money
on
just
the
air
the
ability
to
transmit,
and
then
I
have
to
go
put
all
the
equipment
on
it's
a
lot
of
cash
right,
verizon
spent
46
billion
dollars
of
that
86
billion
was
verizon
they're,
going
to
protect
that
that's
an
asset.
E
That's
invested
they're,
going
to
make
sure
nothing
takes
that
away,
because
when
you
get
in
trouble
with
the
fcc,
it's
like
you
know
when
two
kids
are
fighting
and
dad
gets
called
in,
then
everybody
pays.
That's
what
happens
you
do
what
is
needed
and
you
follow
the
law
with
the
fcc,
because
these
carriers
do
not
want
to
get
rid
of
that
asset.
They
do
not
want
to
lose
access
to
that.
This
is
a
very
important
thing.
It's
very
well
regulated
and
carriers
follow
it
to
the
letter.
So.
A
C
I'm
sure
that
will
presentation
will
be
included
as
an
exhibit
in
the
record
just
to
put
that
on
the
record.
A
For
you,
thank
you
very
much.
We
appreciate
that
I'll
look
around
the
room.
I
don't
have
anybody
signed
up
to
speak
on
this
on
this
case.
If
there's
somebody
in
the
room
that
would
like
to
speak,
if
you'd
raise
your
hand
and
I'm
not
seeing
any
hands,
and
we
don't
have
anybody
online
so
we'll
go
back
to
mr
lesson.
Does
anybody
have
questions.
A
F
G
A
Second
from
commissioner
brown,
commissioner
wickstrom
go
ahead.
F
This,
unlike
the
last
time
we
had
a
cell
tower
hearing
this
one
does
actually
seem
to
provide
significant,
improved
coverage
in
that
area.
There
is
a
gap
and
it
does
cover
that
gap
and
then
plus
some
there's
no
pushback
from
the
general
public
right
now
that
location.
That
tower
is
right
there
on
the
edge
of
civilization
kind
of
so
for
right.
Now,
it's
probably
not
going
to
be
that
noticeable,
and
so
until
you
start
to
build
around
it,
it
seems
to
serve
the
community
in
that
area.
G
H
Chair
yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
appreciate
the
applicant
coming
with
all
the
information
this
evening.
You
know,
we've
had
some
graphics
that
were
provided
that
were
difficult
to
interpret
and
understand.
So
I
appreciate
that
this
evening.
I
A
So,
and
my
only
comment
is
I
I
drive
through
that
intersection
on
a
regular
basis
and
I
can
agree
that
there's
cell
phone
issues
in
that
area,
so
personal
experience,
so
any
more
comments
before
you
have
a
vote
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
have
the
vote
now,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye,
aye,
aye
and
any
opposed.
Please
say
I
let
the
minutes
reflect
that
all
the
commissioners
voted
for
this
motion.
Thank
you
very
much.
We
appreciate
it.
A
J
J
J
J
The
location
of
the
trailhead
is
meant
to
limit
the
need
for
grading
and
visual
impacts.
The
ada
county
associate
engineer
reviewed
the
hillside
development
application
and
has
determined
that
the
site
is
physically
suitable
for
the
development
and
limits
the
disturbance
of
the
hillside
area.
You
can
see
that
the
proposed
travel
way
largely
utilizes
the
existing
access
path.
The
travel
way
will
cut
through
a
portion
of
the
existing
grove
of
trees.
However,
most
of
them
are
to
remain
and
act
as
a
visual
barrier.
J
One
neighbor
did
provide
written
comment
on
the
application.
With
concerns
around
screening
of
the
parking
area
trash
and
traffic.
They
stated
there
in
support
of
the
use
of
seasonal
closures,
the
hours
of
operation
during
daylight
hours
only
and
a
gate,
but
would
also
like
fire
education
and
warning
signs
to
be
installed.
J
The
applicant
is
also
responsible
for
restoring
all
disturbed
areas
and
again
the
trailhead
shall
be
open
for
use
from
march
through
november.
During
daylight
hours,
only
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
conditional
use,
master
site
plan
and
hillside
development,
application
and
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
H
Madam
chair
go
ahead,
so
I
just
had
a
question
on
the
the
public
testimony
that
requested
signage
for
fires
in
and
and
do
you
does
the
do?
You
already
have
some
type
of
signage
that
you
put
up
on
other
trailheads
or
no.
I
The
comment
by
the
member
of
the
public
that
had
written
in
was
talking
about
the
parking
lot
and
what
they
said
was
a
large
parking
lot
needs
to
be
visually
blocked
by
the
trees
already
present,
potentially
other
visually
visual
screening
utilized,
and
then
they
said
that
was
their
biggest
ask.
They
had
a
couple
other
points
on
here,
too.
Is
this
parking
lot
in
the
location
where
it
would
most
reduce
visibility
from
other
properties.
K
A
And
my
question
is
it's
a
fault
toilet
right,
so
you
have
to
service
that
once
a
year
or
a
couple
times.
B
K
A
A
And
we're
we
limit
the
testimony
to
three
minutes
talk.
L
L
My
wife
alicia
and
I
have
lived
up
there
for
the
last
13
years
and
ada
county
boise's
been
my
home
for
the
last
40,
I'm
north
40
years
in
this
county.
So
we
are
frequent
hikers
in
foothills,
and
we
certainly
understand
and
appreciate
why
other
people
want
to
enjoy
that
hiking
experience.
It's
great.
L
We
also
think
parks
and
rec
and
the
ridgeto
river
organizations
do
a
great
job
so
we're
grateful.
Okay,
I
would
like
to
offer
a
brief
comment
and
it's
already
been
spoken
to
a
couple
times
here
and
the
general
theme
being
safety,
but
in
particular
fire
safety.
There
are
a
lot.
As
you
all
know,
there
are
a
lot
of
new
folks
who
live
in
this
valley.
Who've
come
from
other
places
and
they've
never
seen
a
big
fire
up
there.
I
have
on
many
occasions.
L
If,
if
we
get
the
right
weather
conditions
up
there
of
high
heat
and
low
humidity,
and
especially
wind,
that's
a
monster
that
blows
up
a
lot
faster
than
they
get
a
helicopter
or
planes
up
there
to
drop
fire
retardant,
it's
literally
a
matter
of
minutes
before
those
flames,
especially
if
the
winds
out
of
the
west
blow
towards
the
eight
or
nine
houses
that
are
up
there.
L
L
With
that
in
mind
and
the
fact
that
there
are
lots
of
new
folks
who
are
going
to
enjoy
that
new
trail,
thousands
of
people
will
enjoy
that
trail.
We'd
ask
that
do
consideration
be
given
to
fire
prevention,
perhaps
installing
very
explicit,
not
just
little.
You
know
no
smoking
or
please
be
careful
with
fire
smoking,
the
baricon
itself,
but
a
big
sign.
That's
explicit,
high
visibility
that
warns
people.
It
is
prone
to
fires
up
there
and
it
takes
one
time
for
things
to
go
sideways
and
a
bad
event
to
occur.
L
We
see
people
shooting
fireworks
up
there
and
it
just
blows
my
mind,
but
people
still
do
it
and
fireworks
went
on
sale
today
in
in
the
valley,
and
I
think
just
any
other
mitigation
strategies
that
can
be
reasonably
employed
and
I
emphasize
the
word
reasonably
employed,
I
think,
is
going
to
be
to
everybody's
benefit,
including
ourselves,
selfishly
as
well
as
homeowners
up
there.
L
I'd
also
like
to
speak
to
the
fact,
if
you
don't
mind
that
there's
a
lot
of
evening
partying
that
goes
cars
up
there
part
in
hard
all
night
and
in
the
morning
I
understand
that.
There's
plans
for
gate.
It's
not
real
clear
to
me
how
that
gate's
going
to
be
operated,
you
know,
does
it
close
daily?
Is
it
once
a
year
when
november
comes
around
and
the
elk
and
deer
are
up
there?
L
L
But
if
they
could
periodically
keep
an
eye
on
that
trailhead,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
in
everybody's
best
interest.
I
know
fires
are
inevitability
up
there
and
as
homeowners,
we're
responsible
to
build
landscape
with
fire
prevention
in
mind
and
and
maintain
defensible
spaces.
That's
that's
on
us
and
it
should
be
on
us.
L
We're
also
mindful
there
are
a
lot
of
deer
and
elk
up
there.
I
see
them
all
winter
and
it'd
be
really
tragic
if
there
is
a
big
fire
up
there
and
they
lose
all
that
grazing
terrain,
it'd
be
very
unfortunate,
so
I'll,
just
respectfully
conclude
and
ask
whatever
you
folks
can
do
to
help
ensure
fire
prevention
and
trying
to
keep
unauthorized
access
into
that
trailhead
area
to
a
minimum.
Thank
you
and
I'm
happy
to
ask
any
questions.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
appreciate
your
points,
you're
very
good.
What
would
make
this
trailhead
any
different
than
the
whatever
handful
of
other
trailheads?
There
are
that
as
you're,
going
up
to
bogus
basin.
L
Corrals
is
between
mile
marker
two
and
three:
it's
pretty
visible
from
the
road,
and
I
go
up
and
down
there
fairly.
You
know
every
day
you
know
traveling
up
and
down
getting
to
the
house
kind
of
thing,
and
because
it's
not
clear
to
me
where
that
gate
is
and
where
people
will
be
able
to
park.
L
Just
experience
has
taught
me
that
if
there's
an
opportunity
for
people
to
go
up
there
misbehave
they
will
and
if
there
are
ways
to
prevent
that,
I
think
it
would
be
encouraging.
Also,
I
think,
just
signage,
I'm
not
aware
of
there
being
any
really
large,
explicit,
high
visibility
signs
on
any
of
the
trailheads,
and
I
use
a
lot
of
them
warning
people
about
the
risk
of
fire.
You
know
there
was
that
kid
who
was
hiking
up
there
a
few
years
ago.
I
think
he
was
mountain
biking.
He
burned
toilet
paper
thought
he
was
doing.
L
The
right
thing
set
the
hills
on
fire,
so
I
mean
we're
all
we're
all
about
supporting
the
trailhead
in
the
in
the
system,
but
just
please
try
and
do
what
you
can
to
make
it
safe.
F
Appreciate
the
I
think
we
have
to
be
within
the
gate
that
could
be
minimum
50
feet
from
the
road,
so
that
looks
like
it
would
be
within
line
of
sight
of
the
road,
but
that's
a
would
be
one
concern
hopefully
take
care
of,
but
thank
you
for
your
comments.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
L
A
I've
got
alicia,
okay,
nobody
else.
So
I
think
we'll
come
back
to
you.
What
questions
do
we
have
for
miss
brending.
A
J
Madam
chair,
the
responding
fire
agency
for
this
would
have
been
the
state
fire
marshal.
Okay.
However,
there
was
no
response
on
this
application.
It
is
in
your
purview
to
add
a
condition
how
you
see
fit
if
you
would
like
to
add
signage.
That's
been
talked
about.
J
A
F
Madam
chair,
just
one:
is
there
a
requirement
for
the
gate
I
mean?
Is
it
just?
The
gate
just
has
to
block
the
the
road.
It
doesn't
really
have
to
extend
very
far
one
side
or
the
other.
Is
there
a
gate
standard
and
that's
kind
of
a
trivial.
J
Chair
commissioner,
wickstrom
there's
not
a
requirement
for
the
gate,
since
this
is
like
essentially
a
driveway
they're
able
to
gate
it,
how
they
see
fit.
It's
not
a
private
road
that
we
have
stand
like.
We
have
standards
for
gating,
okay,.
A
And
I
have
one
more
question
for
you:
did
we
reach
out
to
the
law
enforcement
or
on
this
at
all,
or
is
that
something
that
we're
not
required
to
do
or.
J
I
I
am
curious,
it
was
an
excellent
point
that
was
made
about
the
fire
signs.
I
mean
wildfires,
kill
here,
and
certainly
people
in
california
that
have
moved
in
know
that
very
well
from
what's
happened
over
the
past
few
years.
There
it
are
there
other
signs.
You
know
that
that
are
more
prominent,
that
that
drive
home.
That
fact
about
how
dangerous
wildfires
really
are.
I
K
G
B
G
K
F
K
That
would
be
our
main
concern
there.
There
is
power
up
there,
we
don't
have.
We
don't
have
plans
to
automate
it.
It
was
just
going
to
be
a
seasonally
opening
close,
it's
just
a
bar
gate
26,
but.
K
The
winter
time
it's
pretty
snowy
in
there
achd
did
require
a
turnaround.
So
that
was
one
thing
we
were
talking
about.
Are
we
have
an
easement
at
that
entry
point?
That's
actually
not
our
property
and
it's
pretty
steep
there
to
the
south.
There's
really
not
room
to
build
a
turnaround
there
for
a
horse,
trailer
and
truck.
K
So
we
were
thinking.
We'd
move
the
gate
back
past
the
horse,
trailer
parking,
and
I
know
that
that's
a
pretty
visible
area
from
the
road,
but
certainly
not
close
to
the
road
to
shut
people
off,
but
it
would
also
give
the
opportunity
for
those
trucks
and
trailers
to
turn
around
and
I've
been
in
contact
with
achd
and
they
were
okay
with
putting
the
gate
that
far
back.
K
F
K
A
The
only
comment
I
had
is
you're
with
the
city
of
boise
and
city
of
boise
has
a
really
big
fire
department
and
they
probably
have
some
fire
prevention,
expertise,
correct,
and
so
I
would
recommend
that
you
reach
out
to
your
fire
department
and
get
involved
them
in
providing
some
state-of-the-art
messaging
about
wildlife
fires.
M
A
So
that
would
be
my
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
we
probably
can
add,
in
a
condition
that
you
know
you
emphasize
the
fire
safety
and
you
know
find
a
way
to
emphasize
it.
Not
to
tell
you
exactly
what
you
have
to
do,
but
to
provide
right
guidance
that
one
of
the
conditions
is
that
you're
gonna
bail.
A
A
K
K
Right:
okay:
well,
usually,
when
we
do
a
notification,
I
think
we
only
did
a
quarter
mile
radius
for
from
our
property,
which
is
320
acres,
but
from
there
I
think,
that's
what
our
requirement
was
for
this.
We
might
have
gone
a
mile
okay,
but
we
contacted
everyone
and
then
plus
for
this
permit
as
well.
A
A
Okay,
I
I'm
gonna
close
the
public
hearing.
Is
there
any
comments
from
the
commissioners,
not
comments,
but
a
motion
from
the
commissioners?
So
we
can
get
started
with
our
discussion.
A
There's
been
a
motion
to
approve
this
application.
Is
there
a
second.
A
Brown's
gonna,
second
it,
mr
burch,
you
couldn't
have
your
discussion.
I
I
think
that
the
applicant
has
been
very
thorough
in
what
has
been
presented,
and
I
think
they
have
expressed
a
willingness
to
consider
the
signage
and
certainly
have
already
considered
the
placement
of
the
gate.
I
don't
think
they
could
have
done
any
better
than
they've
done
sounds
like
a
great
project.
G
I'd
agree,
I
think,
and
the
homeowner
articulated
very
well
some
other
concerns
that
I
I
have
faith
that
parks
rec
heard
that
you
know
that
the
applicant
heard
that-
and
I
think
they'll
be
making
efforts
to
do.
I
think
working
with
the
blm
working.
You
know
boise
fire
and
just
getting
some
more,
you
know
bigger
signage,
it
can
never
hurt.
I
don't
think
some
of
these
people
are
causing
these
problems
are
much
sign
readers,
but
they
it
may
if
it
stops
one
it
might
help.
G
So,
let's
try
it
but
yeah
just
love
to
see
anything.
That's
getting
more
people
out
and
out
of
the
house
and
out
the
nature.
So.
H
I'm
sure
yeah,
I
I
do
think
that
there
needs
to
be
a
condition
of
approval,
just
to
include
the
signage,
not
that
I
doubt
that
anybody
that
anybody
denies
the
importance
of
it,
but
I
think
it
just
needs
to
be
included
with
the
with
the
conditions
of
approval.
Just
that
way,
it's
memorialized
and
there's
there's
no
doubt
about
it
that
that
it
gets
done
because,
like
commissioner
brown
said,
if
it
if
it
affects
one
even
once,
then
you
know
it's.
It's
what's
well
worth
it,
especially
on
when
you're
talking
wildfires.
F
A
And
there's
been,
mr
burch
is
going
to
change
his
motion
to
include
the
added
signage
commissioner
brown.
Are
you,
okay,
with
yep.
A
So
I
think
we're
ready
to
vote,
and-
and
I
would
my
I
would
agree
with
everything
that
everybody
said
I
mean
we
need
places
for
people
to
walk.
We
need
to
better
educate
people
about
the
dangers
of
fire
and
we
need
to
involve
people
our
law
enforcement
when
there's
shenanigans
going
on
after
hours,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
vote
on
this
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,.
B
N
The
property
contains
4.99
acres
and
is
located
on
south
isley
avenue,
which
is
off
of
east
columbia.
Road
in
section
10,
township
2
north
range
3
east,
the
app
can
has
applied
for
his
own
audience,
map
amendment
to
reason:
approximately
4.99
acres
from
the
rural
preservation
district
to
the
rural
residential
district.
Along
with
a
development
agreement.
N
The
property
is
not
located
within
the
area
of
city
impact.
Basically,
if
you
look
at
the
map
here
with
the
area
of
sea
impact
is
basically
golden
eagle
lanes.
Sorry,
anything
west
of
golden
eagle
lane
would
be
in
boise's
impact
area.
Anything
east
of
that
lane
is
outside
of
the
area
of
impact.
N
N
The
reason
for
the
from
the
rural
preservation
district
to
the
rural
residential
district
does
not
require
the
excessive
expansion
of
public
services,
as
the
property
is
within
the
jurisdictional
boundaries
of
the
whitney
fire
district
and
the
property
will
still
remain
rural
in
nature.
Following
the
rezone.
N
The
project
also
includes
an
application
for
variants
to
allow
a
non-conforming
property
to
be
eligible
for
a
building
permit.
Variances
are
typically
heard
by
the
board
of
county
commissioners.
The
playing
zoning
commission
is
hearing
the
variants
this
evening
due
to
the
zoning
ordinance
map
amendment
that
is
associated
with
this
project.
N
The
property
met
the
dimensional
standards
for
the
applicable
base
district
at
the
time
it
was
created,
and
the
dwelling
is
here
and
defined
was
constructed
or
placed
on
the
property
prior
to
january,
1st
1985
provided
in
the
event
that
the
dwelling
is
subsequently
damaged
or
destroyed
by
fire,
flood
explosion,
wind
earthquake
war,
riot
or
other
catastrophic
event.
After
january
1st
1985,
the
property
remains
eligible
for
a
building
permit.
N
As
I
mentioned
before,
the
subject.
Property
is
4.99
acres,
which
is
less
than
the
required
10
acres
for
the
proposed
rezone
to
the
rural
residential
district.
The
subject
property
did
not
meet
the
dimensional
standards
for
the
base
district.
At
the
time
the
property
was
created
when
the
property
was
created.
Back
in
1984,
I
was
zoned
g1,
which
required
a
minimum.
A
lot
parcel
size
of
80
acres.
N
N
Two,
the
variance
releases,
undue
hardship
to
do
characteristics
of
the
site
and
three
of
the
variants
should
not
be
detrimental
to
the
public
health
safety
and
welfare
staff
finds
that
the
variance
constitutes
a
granting
of
a
special
privilege,
because
the
property
owner
would
receive
a
special
privilege
in
being
able
to
obtain
a
building
permit
on
the
property
that
is
less
than
the
minimum
property
size
in
the
base.
District
staff
also
finds
that
the
variance
does
not
relieve
an
undue
hardship
due
to
characteristics
of
the
site,
as
the
property
was
illegally
divided
staff
does
find
out.
N
N
N
You
know
basically
divide
a
prop
one
property
into
two
resulting
parcels
and
the
resultant
parcels
will
need
to
meet
the
dimensional
standards.
So
this
would
be
minimum
lot
size,
minimum
street
frontage
for
the
base
district
that
they're
located
in.
If
a
property
isn't
eligible
for
a
one-time
division,
then
the
applicant
would
then
need
to
apply
for
a
subdivision
and
go
through
the
subdivision
process,
so
the
owner
of
the
property.
N
At
that
time,
back
in
1984,
I
did
not
go
through
an
application
process
with
a
county
to
divide
the
property,
so
they
just
divide
the
property
up
and
then
and
that's
kind
of
what
they
did.
So
they
didn't
go
through
an
application
process
which
they
would
have
needed
to
have
gone
through
an
application
process
in
order
to
divide
the
property
and
that's
kind
of
how
that
property
came
into
being.
I
N
I
am
that's
a
great
good
question.
I'm
not
sure
on
that.
I'd
have
to
to
look
through
the
staff
point
in
the
d's,
and
maybe
the
applicant
might
have
information
on
that.
N
N
I
Apologize
so
the
warranty
deed
was
it's
on
the
letterhead
of
pioneer
title
company,
so
I
presume
pioneer
may
have
given
a
title
policy
on
this
property.
Do
you
know
if
that's
the
case
and
if
they
did
a
pioneer
title
in
my
experience,
is
not
sloppy.
I'm
wondering
how
they
missed
the
illegal
division.
I
N
There
are
so
kind
of
looking
at
the
kind
of
directly
to
the
north.
This
piece
right
here
is,
I
think,
slightly
under,
so
this
property
is
zoned.
The
two
properties
right
here
are
zoned
rr
in
this
property,
I
think,
is
slightly
under
10
acres.
N
I
think
in
doing
looking
at
this.
I
think
this
property
right
here
did
have
a
variance
back
in
1999,
and
I
think
the
board
did
grand
variance.
You
know,
because
this
property
was
just
shy
of
10
acres.
I
think
the
board
did
grant
a
variance.
You
know
for
this
property
right
here
to
have
a
home
on
it
to
be
built.
N
These
other
ones,
I
think,
are
10
acres
as
well.
The
property
I
think
directly
to
the
west,
obviously
that's
less
than
10
acres
and
that
property
right
here,
if
I
go
back,
is
zoned
rp.
So
obviously
this
is
a
non-conforming
property.
N
I
haven't
done
any
research
on
this
property
here
to
see
you
know
how
that
ended
up.
You
know
if
it
had
a
house
on
there
before
or
kind
of
when
it
was
created,
and
so
I
don't
know
so.
Obviously,
that
probably
directed
to
the
blast
office
is
non-conforming
that
has
a
home
on
it
and
then
obviously,
the
other
three
homes
directly
to
the
north
of
this
property
have
homes
on
them
as
well.
I
G
So
are
we
basically,
the
the
denial
is
firm
is
mostly
based
on
the
fact
that
the
the
80
acre
the
way
that
it's
zoned
right
now
for
the
80
acres.
It's
not
necessarily
that
it's
not
functional
in
that
area
or
it
doesn't
match
up
with
the
other
opposing
lots
or
anything
like
it
doesn't.
It
looks
like
it
fits
in
to
me,
but
it's
just
mostly
we're
denying
because
of
the
fact
that
it's
not
80
acres.
N
The
issue
that
we
have
is
really
that
the
the
size
of
the
property
is
below
that
minimum
10
acre,
you
know
size
in
the
r
district,
and
so
as
staff.
It's
it's
hard
for
us
to
make.
You
know
some
of
the
variance
findings.
You
know
with
it
being
a
special
privilege
and
then
do
hardship
due
to
physical
characteristics
of
the
site.
So
those
are
kind
of
the
two
reasons
why
you
know
staff
has
recommended
denial,
the
application,
if
it
if
the
property
was
10
acres
staff
staffed
with
recommended
approval
of
it.
Okay,
so
that.
A
N
That
is
so
the
problem
that
we
have,
madam
chair,
for
a
property
to
be
eligible
to
be
rezoned
to
rural
urban
transition.
You
have
to
be
an
area
of
city
impact,
and
so
basically,
as
I
mentioned
before,
that
golden
eagle
lane
is
basically
the
area
of
sea
impact
lines.
So
basically
the
area's
st
impact
lions
is
basically
just
a
little
bit
to
the
west
of
the
subject:
property.
A
N
You
know,
obviously,
you
know
historically
in
this
story,
as
I
mentioned
before,
back
in
1999
for
this
kind
of
more
rectangular
property
to
the
north,
the
board
of
county
commissioners
did
in
1990.
I
think
in
1999.
2000
did
approve
of
this
property
to
be
eligible
for
a
building
for
me,
even
though
it
wasn't
a
full
10
acres.
N
So
as
an
example,
you
know
within
this
immediate
neighborhood,
I
my
mind,
is
going
blank
in
terms
of
other
areas
in
terms
of
exactly
five
acres,
you
know,
and
with
sometimes
with
non-conforming
properties.
Just
with
the
the
regulations
that
we
have
for
here,
you
know.
Sometimes
you
can
have
a
neighborhood
where,
just
depending
on
when
that
deed
was
recorded,
can
make
a
big
difference.
N
So
if
the
d
was
recorded
in
1974
versus
1984,
the
zoning
would
be
different
in
1974,
where
it
may
have
allowed
a
smaller
parcel
size
and
it
would
have
met
the
dimensional
standards
in
1974,
but
then
10
years
later
in
1984
it
doesn't
meet
it,
and
so
that's
where
sometimes
in
the
philips
areas,
or
even
you
know,
kind
of
the
south
county
area,
where
you
have
some
of
those
properties
where
they
they're
non-conforming,
they
may
be
eligible
for
the
building
permit,
just
based
on
the
fact
that
it
met
the
dimensional
standards
at
the
time
that
property
was
created,
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
variations
that
can
occur
with
different
properties
in
each
property.
A
A
O
O
I
am
here
representing
the
owner,
jim
remyers,
who
is
also
here,
and
I
didn't
do
a
big,
huge
powerpoint
presentation,
because
there's
only
really
one
slide
in
there
that
I
need,
which
is
is
page
three.
I
did
it
very
old
school
because
I
had
a
feeling
since
it
wasn't
in
the
report,
you
were
going
to
ask
those
questions,
and
that
is
what
are
the
acreages
surrounding
mr
riemeyer's
property,
and
none
of
them
are
10
acres
by
the
way,
the
biggest
one
being
the
9.9
acres
right
here
and
9.2
9.7.
O
O
You
know
dictatorial
presentation,
but
it's
really
mostly
questions,
because
brent
did
a
fabulous
job
with
his
presentation.
We
can
read
his
book,
I
studied
it
over
and
over
since
he
he
presented
it
and
there's
really
only
one
question
and
that
is
the
illegal
split
or
how
the
parcel
was
actually
created
and
it
was
created.
O
My
client,
mr
riemeyer,
is
not
the
first
owner
he's,
probably
the
third
owner,
so
when
it
was
created
by
whoever
owned
the
80
probably
owned,
the
160,
for
whatever
reason
family
splits
were
done
in
the
70s,
they
were
done
in
the
80s,
they
were
conforming,
then
they
were
non-conforming
and
unfortunately,
for
mr
rimer
he's
last
on
the
totem
pole.
So
his
is
the
very
non-conforming
parcel
and
what
we're
asking
the
variance
for
and
the
building
permit
for
is
because
he
wants
to
build
or
whoever
wants
to
live
there
in
the
future
wants
to
build
something.
O
That's
conducive
to
the
neighborhood
okay.
So
there
are
already
four
acre
parcels
below
the
10
acre
minimum.
All
of
the
parcels
are
being
taxed
at
less
than
they
take
10
acres.
Those
are
the
neighboring
properties
around
mr
riemeyer's
property,
and
what
is
going
to
be
built
is
basically
a
home
single-family,
dwelling
ancillary
or
accessory
unit
garage
shop,
and
what
do
you
call
it?
A
mother-in-law
unit,
okay,
very
conducive
to
the
other,
neighboring
properties
that
are
there.
So
really.
The
the
other
two
points
I
want
to
make
is
tax
implications.
O
The
agencies,
basically,
nobody
complained,
the
neighbors
that
showed
up
at
the
neighborhood
meeting
they
raw
rod
because
they
would
like
to
see
a
house
there
as
opposed
to
what
the
permissible
uses.
If
he
is
not
allowed
that
variant,
he
can
put
a
pig
farm
on
there.
He
can
put
a
goat
farm
on
there.
He
can
rent
it
for
campsites.
O
None
of
the
neighbors
want
campsites
decks
to
their
beautiful
homes,
but
those
are
permissible
uses
for
that
property
in
its
present
state
tax
implications
to
the
county
currently
stacks
in
the
400
dollar
range
for
his
taxes
because
of
its
current
use
and
application.
If
a
house
is
built
on
there,
it
would
increase
the
revenue
to
the
county
by
almost
tenfold,
possibly
even
20
times
right
without
any
additional
services
needed,
because
it's
going
to
have
a
septic.
O
It's
going
to
have
a
well
the
fire
department,
there's
no
additional
major
use
if
the
variance
is
approved
and
the
non-conforming
use
and
the
change
in
the
rezone
from
basically
rp
to
rr,
with
the
variance
for
the
rr,
because
it's
smaller
than
10
acres
as
the
neighboring
properties
are
as
well.
O
There
was
a
title
policy
issued
and
as
to
the
legalities,
I'm
not
the
attorney
for
pioneer
title.
So
I
don't
know
what
the
past
is
for
that,
but
I
think
it
is
with
what
brent
basically
said,
which
had
to
do
with
the
way
that
the
zoning
changed
and
also
the
original
owner
who
sold
it.
Some
of
them
were
sold
by
quit
claim,
which
was
the
old-fashioned
way
that
things
got
sold
rather
than
warranty
deed.
O
So
there
are
layers
upon
layers
of
these
quick
claims
back
and
forth
when
the
original
parcels
were
created,
but
they
allowed
based
on
variance
now.
Obviously
we
could
have
done
it.
The
the
other
way,
which
is
how
some
of
the
neighbors
or
neighboring
properties
built
homes
and
then
ask
for
from
you
know,
ask
for
forgiveness
later
we're
trying
to
do
it
the
right
way
by
asking
for
a
variance
so
that
a
house
can
be
built.
That's
conforming
to
the
neighborhood
go
ahead.
Mr
birch.
I
O
Not
really
because
it's
4.99
acres-
and
I
mean
yeah,
but
it's
a
very
small,
very,
very
small
problem.
I
O
A
A
A
P
Because
it'll
be
negative,
probably
right,
so
I
own
the
property.
Is
there
a
wand
or
a
stick
or
something
I
could
use.
P
Okay,
so
I
own
the
property,
just
just
north
of
gems-
this
one
right
here
right
there
on
it,
avenue
that
that
whole
40
acres
is
all
illegally
divided
and
the
lady
who
owned
it
originally
lived
in
the
south
southwest
corner
and
a
little
trailer
house
with
her
rattlesnake
killing
dog,
and
she
was
tough
and
she
told
us
that
she
just
had
surveyors
come
out
and
divide
it
and
then,
when
they
told
her,
she
couldn't
do
that.
P
She
said
I'll,
bring
a
shotgun
down
there
and-
and
I'm
getting
this
done,
that's
what
she
told
us
so
so
anyway,
there
are
no
10
acre
parcels
out
there
because
of
easements
they're,
all
under
10.,
and
that
that
includes
gems,
and
it
includes
the
one.
Next
to
that,
there's
also
been
some
tinkering
around
the
edges
out
here.
P
P
This
is
all
residential
out
here.
Now
originally
also
bought
all
this
land
out
here
and
then
that
resale
this
was
rezoned
before
10
acre
johnson,
but
then
the
crash
happened
and
the
family
started
fighting
and
they
apparently
took
too
long
and
they
lost
their
zoning
on
that.
So
it's
back
to
being
residential.
P
But
I've
lived
ordering
jim
now
for
22
years
I
built
my
house.
He
was
going
to
build
his
actually.
He
owned
the
the
ten
that
are
farthest
north
there
and
sold
that
to
another
friend,
bought
the
five
and
has
been
sitting
at
enough
for
22
years
and
with
all
the
tinkering
that's
going
on
out
there
anyway.
P
East
columbia,
road,
okay,
they
won't.
Let
us
move
our
mailboxes
down
there
yet
so.
A
Okay,
we
appreciate
you
coming
in
tonight
any
other
comments
from
the
audience.
M
I
guess
I
did
sign
up
to
speak
yep.
M
A
Thank
you
any
questions
from
the
commissioners.
I
think
we're
good.
Thank
you
for
coming
down
tonight.
Anybody
else
so
we're
gonna
go
back
to
mr
danielson,
we'll
ask
him
some
questions.
Do
we
have
any
questions,
mr
danielson.
F
N
That
is
correct
yep,
so
it
looks
like
we
have.
You
know,
issued
building
permits
on
those
other
five
properties,
so
those
would
be
illegal,
non-conforming,
okay,
let.
N
If
the
area
of
impact
was
to
expand,
there
would
have
to
be
a
re-zone
of
the
properties
to
rut,
so
the
expansion
of
the
area
of
impact
doesn't
necessarily
necessitate
an
almaq
rezoned
to
rut.
So
that
would
be
something
that
if,
in
the
future,
the
area
of
impact
line
was
to
expand
further
to
the
east,
the
county
and
the
city
would
have
to
determine
if
we
would
want
those
properties
to
be
rezoned
rut
or
not,
and
then
we
would
have
to
go
through
a
public
hearing
process.
In
order
to
do
that,.
A
O
Very
quickly,
just
so
that
just
for
historic
purposes
other
than-
and
I
don't
know
her
name-
the
illegal
splitter,
I
guess
we'll
call
her.
O
All
these
building
permits,
as
far
as
my
research
showed,
were
done
in
the
2000s,
so
they
have
gotten
variances
or
approvals
from
the
board
of
commissioners
in
order
and
in
order
to
get
their
building
permits
so
that
theirs
did
not
go
back
20
years
I
mean
it's
in
the
present
timeline.
O
A
I
I
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair
yeah,
just
in
the
comments
and
the
findings
is
that
she's
pointed
out
that
there
are
similar
sized
homes
on
some
similar
properties
in
the
immediate
area,
and
it
does
meet
names
two
of
the
goals
for
that.
The
comprehensive
plan
lays
down
providing
opportunities
for
limited
residential
development
and
unincorporated
areas
and
protect
the
character
and
functionalistic
of
distinct
uses
in
rural
unincorporated
areas.
F
What
else
they
have
on
here?
It's
not
detrimental
to
the
health
and
safety
of
anybody
in
that
area.
In
fact,
it
probably
is
a
benefit,
and
it's
also
it
we're
trying
to
provide
low
density
housing
in
that
area.
There's
high
density
just
just
to
the
west
there
into
the
north,
so
I
I
don't
see.
I
agree
that
this
is
something
that
would
fit
into
the
neighborhood.
G
Yeah,
I
agree,
I
think
I
mean
looking
at
this
when
you
back
off
and
look
at
where
it's
located
and
stuff
you
guaranteed.
This
is
you
know
a
matter
of
time
before
bigger
companies
come
in
and
and
subdivide
this
and
find
a
way
to
push
stuff
like
this
through,
I
don't
you
know,
I
don't
fits
for
what
it's
supposed
to
be
doing,
and
I
can't
I
guess,
there's
something
to
be
respected
about
the
lady
with
the
shotgun
and
getting
something
done.
G
I
think
this
is
I
mean
we
can
sit
and
battle
over
the
leather
of
the
law
and
the
way
things
are
supposed
to
be
done
right
now,
but
I
I
think
it's
time
to
you,
know
just
kind
of
step
in
and
do
what's
right,
and
I
mean
it's
just
obvious.
When
you
look
at
the
map
that
piece
fits
for
what
it
needs
to
be
done,
it
fits
everything
around
it.
G
I
think
it
will
only
better
the
area,
so
I
really
do
hope
that
the
commissioners
can
see
it
that
way
and
just
get
this
done
for
the
applicant,
because
I
think
it's
it's
what's
best
for
everybody.
A
C
A
Thank
you
very
much
so
when
we
vote
on
this,
if
we
vote
to
recommend
approval,
we're
going
to
need
to
vote
to
table
it
to
the
next
meeting
so
that
they
can
revise
the
findings.
C
Manager,
you
could
just
simply
amend
your
emotion
with
the
you
know
the
new
date
for
the
revised
findings.
Okay,.
A
A
And
will
you
second
that
one
okay,
so
the
motion's
been
restated
that
we're
going
to
the
motion
to
recommend
approval
for
this
application,
with
the
understanding
that
the
staff
needs
another
meeting
till
july
13th
to
revise
the
findings?
All
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,.
B
A
I'll
say
aye
any
opposed,
please
say
aye
and
let
the
minutes
reflect
that
this
project
was
recommended
for
approval.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
We've
got
one
more
on
our
list
here.
Project.
K
A
This
is
project
number
two:
zero,
two,
two:
zero,
zero,
eight,
four,
nine
c:
u
m
s
p
and
mr
lutzen
is
gonna,
provide
us
with
the
project.
C
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
commission.
The
item
for
you
is
a
conditional
use
and
master
site
plan
for
the
continued
use
of
an
existing
quarry
that
has
been
in
operation
since
the
1890s.
C
C
As
previously
mentioned.
The
subject.
Property
contains
an
existing
quarry
that
has
been
in
operation
since
the
1890s.
In
fact,
the
I
believe
the
penitentiary
below
was
constructed
with
some
of
the
sandstone
taken
out
of
this
quarry.
As
I
recall
mr
bertram's
letter,
but
I
I'll
let
them
clarify
that,
for
you,
access
to
the
site
is
provided
via
table
rock
road,
which
is
a
private
road,
and
you
can
see
see
that
here
and,
if
you're
familiar
with
the
table
rock
area
and
the
hikes
up
here.
C
Depicted
on
the
site
plan
is
the
proposed
operation
for
the
quarry,
including
excavated
rock
storage
areas.
The
is
to
be
excavated.
Rubble,
piles
and
areas
to
be
re-vegetated
days
and
hours
of
operation
will
be
monday
through
friday.
8
am
to
5
pm,
which
were
the
hours
of
operation
in
place
prior
to
this
conditional
use,
and
so
a
little
bit
of
history
as
to
why
they're,
here
in
the
2000s
ada
county
code
required
kind
of
a
max
approval
of
20
years
for
a
quarry
operation,
and
then
that
conditional
use
expired
and
they
had
to
come
back.
C
We
no
longer
have
that
requirement
in
our
code,
so
you've
seen
a
few
of
these
pop
up
where
they've
been
in
operation
forever
and
now
they're
back
asking
to
continue
to
do
what
they've
been
doing.
So
that
is
what
we're
dealing
with
and
the
conditions
of
of
approval
in
place
or
what
they
want
to
make
use
of
again
again
hours
of
operation.
C
You
know
again,
they've
been
at
it
for
130
years
and
they've
managed
to
do
do
well
with
all
of
the
neighbors
that
are
actually
in
pretty
close
proximity
to
them.
If
you
look
at
some
of
the
aerials
terms
of
agency
comments,
all
reviewing
agencies
approved
the
project
with
standard
conditions.
C
It's
supported
by
the
boys
conference
of
plan.
Our
aid
accounting
engineer
is
going
to
want
to
see
an
updated
drainage
plan,
which
is
part
of
most
reviews
for
projects.
Ada
county
building
has
no
objections.
There
are
no
buildings
proposed
for
the
site.
Censorship.
Health-
if
there
are
any
buildings,
will
require
a
septic
permit
again,
they're
not
proposing
any
buildings,
but
they
may
also
require
groundwater
monitoring
from
february
to
june.
Based
on
their
comments,
the
ada
county
highway
district
has
no
objections.
Neither
does
boise
public
works.
C
Staff
does
recommend
approval
with
conditions.
Actually
I
should
note
back
here.
Let
me
back
up,
so
we
did
not
receive
any
written
comments
from
the
public.
However,
I
did
receive
a
phone
call
from
the
property
owner
to
the
north.
So
that's
the
gentleman
who
owns
this
property
here
and
much
of
table
rock
road
kind
of
traverses
their
property,
and
he
has
asked
that
you
consider
placing
a
condition
on
the
project
that
would
prohibit
vehicle
vehicles
from
using
the
roadway
during
inclement
weather
when
damage
may
occur,
so
primarily
winter.
C
But
you
know
if
it's
a
muddy
spring
or
something
this
gentleman
prefer
to
not
have
vehicles
go
up
there.
I'm
gonna!
Let
the
applicant
talk
to
you
about
that,
because
they've
had
a
lot
of
conversations
with
this
gentleman
and
as
I've
mentioned
they've
been
in
operation
for
decades,
so
I
think
they're
better
to
speak
as
to
how
they
use
that
road
and
how
they
maintain
it
and
kind
of
the
agreement
in
place
there.
C
C
So
in
conclusion,
staff
is
recommending
approval.
The
applicant
has
asked
for
a
couple
of
minor
modifications
to
17
a
and
b,
and
these
are
these
are
put
on
the
project
by
our
engineer-
and
I
ate
account
engineer-
and
I
did
run
these
by
him.
C
Basically,
they
want
to
know
if
they
can
just
use
a
water
tank
in
a
water
truck
on
site
watering
purposes.
They'll
explain
this,
probably
in
their
testimony,
but
there's
a
lot
of
vandalism
that
occurs
in
this
area
and
they're
nervous
about
leaving
a
giant
water
tank
up
there
or
a
water
truck
that
could
be
vandalized
and
then
also
there
was
a
condition
place.
They
had
to
water,
the
extraction
area
and
haul
roads
daily,
and
they
are
preferring
to
have
that
as
needed.
Q
I
just
want
to
give
you
a
little
background
on
table
rock.
It
did
start
doing
quarry
work
in
the
1890s
that
was
with
horse
and
cat
and
horse
and
and
not
a
buggy
horse
and
and
wagon.
That
was
a
slow
way
to
to
quarry
the
stone.
Q
Q
Surprisingly,
it
closed
after
the
ada
county
courthouse,
your
original
building
was
finished
with
limestone,
so
they
would
hope
to
get
that
bid
and
they
didn't
get
it.
So
it
closed
for
a
number
of
years.
In
1983
39
years
ago,
the
barbrones
brothers
purchased
40
acres
of
the
east
end
of
table
rock
and
started
quarrying
stone
again.
Q
Some
of
the
buildings
you're,
probably
familiar
with
the
assay
office,
the
bound
house
union
block,
boise
national
bank
old,
boise,
belgravia,
borah,
post
office,
st
john's
cathedral,
the
boise
depot
more
recently
albertson's
park,
st
luke,
st
luke's
hospital
and
numerous
others.
So
sandstone
is
a
key
building
material
as
well
as
a
landscape
material.
Q
The
we
have
a
approved
reclamation
plan
from
the
and
bond
from
the
idaho
department
of
land.
So
if
we
don't
do
it,
they
will
actually
do
it
we're
going
to
do
it.
We
don't
know
when
the
quarry
might
close,
but
we
have
that
that
reclamation
plan
with
ida
department
lands
all
areas
disturbed
will
be
re-vegetated,
re-vegetated
to
minimize
dust
to
stabilize
and
disturbed
soil
table,
table
rock
sandstone
plants,
a
seed
mixture
recommended
by
the
blm
40
indian
rice,
grass,
38
basin,
wild
rye
and
22
bitter
brush.
Q
Typically,
that
is
best
to
seed
that
area
in
the
fall
table.
Rock
sandstone
desires
to
create
no
adverse
impact
on
the
public.
We've
been
doing
this
for
years.
Our
only
real
issue,
sometimes
is
people
partying
up
in
the
area.
Since
the
table
rock
road
has
been
closed.
The
only
way
to
get
up
there
now
pretty
much
is
to
hike
up.
So
that's
much
less,
but
we
still
have
some
people
getting
into
the
quarry.
Q
We
do
use
consulting
engineer,
john
sharp,
with
sharp
and
smith
to
monitor
the
site
and
make
a
report
periodically
to
the
ada
county.
Engineer.
We've
done
that
over
the
past
years
to
keep
everything
where
what's
going
on,
the
active
query
site
is
about
three.
Eight
three
acres:
we
there's
40
acres,
but
we're
only
quarrying
in
three
acres.
At
a
time
the
working
quarry
floor.
The
pit
is
sloped
inward,
so
all
water
drains
inward.
Q
We
have
large
berms
using
the
rock
and
and
dirt
overburden.
So
we've
created
berms
all
around
the
east
side.
So
there's
very
little
visual
into
the
quarry.
You
really
don't
know
it's
there
unless
you.
Yes,
you
look
at
an
aerial
photograph
and
this
reduces
the
noise
and
the
visual
act
impact
no
water
power
or
structures
are
on
the
site.
There
is
a
portable
toilet
on
site.
Q
Q
We
have
demonstrated
a
commitment
to
operating
the
quarry,
as
approved
under
the
conditions
of
approval
and
request
a
30-year
renewal
of
the
conditional
use
permit,
and
I
think
I
should
have
mentioned
right
away
that
we
totally
agree
with
the
staff's
report
today.
I
just
want
to.
I
guess
conclude
the
issue
on
the
road.
We
have
been
maintaining
that
road
during
the
39
years.
There
is
other
uses
by
the
the
towers
up
there,
the
the
tv
antennas
and
things
like
that.
I
think
we
can
sort
that
out.
It's
not
all
our
use.
Q
We
have
the
capability
of
maintaining
that
road
and
we
plan
to
continue
to
maintain
it.
We
don't
use
it
in
the
winter
months,
though,
because
there
is
some
equipment
on
site.
They
do
practically
like
to
go
up
in
the
winter,
see,
what's
happened
or
what's
going
on,
we
don't
have
the
vandalism
we
used
to
have
when
you
could
drive
up
the
table
rock.
Q
I
should
also
mention
that
we've
come
to
the
aid
of
occasionally
tim
brewer
with
ridge
to
rivers.
We
were
concerned
about
people
entering
the
quarry,
and
so
we
worked
with
tim
and
and
richard
rivers
to
create
two
trailways
around
the
quarry.
If
you
go
up
the
the
road
there
drops
off,
a
trail,
drops
off
right
below
and
goes
around,
and
then
there
that's
to
the
north
and
then
there's
a
trail
from
the
south
and
the
east
that
goes
up
to
around
the
other
side.
Q
So
you
can
still
get
into
the
quarry
if
you
so
desire,
we
have
no
trespassing
signs,
but
we've
made
an
effort
to
kind
of
direct
the
traffic
around
that
working
with
the
public
trying
to
keep
that
safe.
So
what
we're
trying
is
you
know?
I
don't
know
if
you're
familiar
with
this
sandstone,
it's
a
beautiful
working
material
comes
in
a
buff
or
a
gray.
Why
did
I
get
involved?
Q
30
years
ago?
I
bought
a
house
on
the
rim
and
I
have
a
I
thought.
Well.
Why
don't?
I
build
a
pathway
from
the
rim
down
to
boise
avenue,
so
every
friday
I
would
go
out
to
the
quarry
and
pick
through
some
old
stone,
and
I
was
so
happy
to
come.
Had
my
weekend
set
for
doing
this,
so
I
spent
about
five
years
doing
this
and
actually
fell
in
love
with
sandstone
the
product,
its
ability
to
maintain
at
banks
and
and
hold
up,
and
we
were
lucky
to
get
a
lot
of
salvage
sandstone.
Q
They
they
purchased.
When
the
caldwell
high
school
was
demolished,
the
table
rock
sandstone
purchased
a
lot
of
that
stone
and
I
ended
up
getting
some
of
that.
So
it's
it's
important
to
keep
the
quarry
going
and
it's
a
beautiful
mater
building
material.
It's
also
used
a
lot
of
landscaping.
I
mentioned
some
of
the
parks
in
the
city.
I
use
sandstone
and
it's
it's
a
it's
a
really
lovely
material
workable
and
we
would
like
to
continue
operation.
I
Q
In
the
well,
it's
not
just
our
trucks,
there's
also
trucks
use
that
for
the
towers
up
there
too,
so
naturally
in
the
in
the
winter
rainy
season,
it's
not
a
desirable
road
to
use,
but
we
we
grade
it
and
and
bring
up
rock
gravel
to
fill
in.
So
I
think
we've
made
a
good
attempt
to
maintain
that
road.
This
just
came
up
today.
We
didn't
heard
anything
about
this
until
yesterday
about
the
concern
about
the
road
and
it's
our
full
intention
to
continue
to
take
care
of
that
that
road,
okay.
H
Go
ahead
yeah,
so
the
the
request
from
the
county
engineer
to
update
the
drainage
application.
There's
no
issue
with
that.
There's:
a
condition
of
approval.
Q
Not
that
I'm
not
no,
as
I
said,
john
sharp
meets
with
the
county
county
engineer,
presents
a
written
report
and
there's
a
review
and
we've
kind
of
kept
ahead
of
the
whole
thing
every
time
and
had
a
good
working
relationship
with
the
county
engineer.
Okay,
thank
you.
Q
Did
have
a
neighborhood
meeting,
we
had
it,
we
had,
like
eight
people,
show
up
one
person
who
is
an
adjacent
property
owner
not
here
tonight,
but
was
very
favorable
towards
it.
We
didn't
have
any
negative
comments
at
the
neighborhood
meeting.
A
Any
questions,
no,
I
don't
think
we
have
any
more
questions.
You
want
to
sit
down
and
we'll
let
anybody
else
that
wants
to
talk
come
talk.
So
is
there
anybody
else
that
would
like
to
speak
on
this
project
and
we
don't
have
anybody
online?
So
we'll
go
back
to
mr
let's,
let's
what
questions
do
we
have
for.
H
Madam
chair,
I
didn't,
I
didn't
see
in
these
conditions
of
approval
whether
or
not
do
we
need
to
add
the
condition
of
approval
from
the
county
engineer
for
the
drainage
application.
C
Madam
chair
commissioners,
that
is
a
standard
practice
of
the
80
county
engineer
to
require
a
drainage
plan.
Okay,
so
it
was
included
as
a
comment:
okay
in
the
late
exhibit.
If
you
want
me
to
add
it,
I'm
happy
to
do
it,
but
it
is
kind
of
standard
practice
for
the
development
services
department.
C
Yeah,
madam
chair
commissioners,
you
know
that
is
certainly
an
option.
We
haven't
seen
that,
typically
with
quarry
approvals,
I
think
you've
approved
some
recently
for
30
to
40
years.
I
spoke
to
the
applicant.
I
think
they
initially
were
shooting
for
20..
I
told
them
there's
no
longer
the
20-year
requirement.
So
I
said
30
is
something
that
we've
seen.
C
I
C
A
H
A
Wickstrom
now
my
head
is
not
working.
Commissioner
wickstrom
is
a
second
at
that
motion.
Go
ahead,
commissioner,
roush
and
give
us
your
comments.
H
F
That's
the
reason
that
this
shouldn't
continue
it's
it's
amazing.
They
can
have
that
a
quarry
like
that
that
close
to
residential
areas
and
still
make
things
work,
and
it
only
takes
up
three
acres-
that
they're
working
right
now
and
shown
for
over
100
years.
They
can
do
it
so
continue
on.
Thank
you.
A
G
G
I
said
everything
everything
about
it's
pretty
pretty
cut
straight
forward,
they're,
doing
a
great
job
and
just
continue
doing
a
great
job
and
we'll
hope
that
the
children
and
grandchildren
continue
to
come
back
here
in
30
years
and
get
another
extension
and
keep
the
history
going
on
that
quarry.
So
I
think
it's
it's
cool.
I
I
own
some
of
that
sandstone
myself
and
it's
a
great
product
and
so
just
good
good
presentation.
I
think
it's
great
so.
A
Thank
you.
I
I
do
know
that
at
one
time
the
commissioners,
we
kind
of
changed
the
conditions
to
be
something
that
was
beyond
what
the
applicant
had
asked
for
and
then
it
got.
The
legal
department
came
back
and
said
that
we
shouldn't
have
done
that
so
so
I'm.
B
A
Yeah,
I'm
not
I'm
not
in.
I
don't
want
to
get
in
trouble
again,
so
so
I'm
not
in
favor
of
extending
it
beyond
what
the
applicants
ask
for.
So
I
don't
hear
any
more
comments,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
call
for
the
vote
on
this.
All
those
in
favor
of
this
motion,
please
say:
aye.
B
A
A
Our
next
item
is
the
minutes.
From
the
june
9
2022
meeting.
A
I
had
a
chance
to
read
them,
but
I
can't
make
a
motion,
so
I
need
a
motion
from
somebody
else
to
approve
the
minutes
or
make
any
changes.
H
A
Second,
commissioner,
burke
seconded
it
and
I
I
did
read
them
and
I
didn't
have
any
comments
so
any
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,.
H
A
And
I'll
say
I
in
the
opposed,
so
let
the
minutes
reflect
that
the
amendments
were
approved
and
now
we're
gonna
have
any
comments.
C
C
Go
out
and
work
on
something
we
have
prepared
a
website
for
ada
county's
development
services,
page
that
is
an
overview
of
the
project.
We've
established
lists
of
stakeholders
that
we're
reaching
out
to
to
try
to
get
involved.
In
some
conversations
we
are
shooting
for
the
week
of
july
11th
to
start
those
conversations
and
we're
just
kind
of
putting
it
all
on
the
table
and,
seeing
you
know,
here's
what
our
code
says
today
here
are
some
stuff
we're
proposing
what
works,
what
doesn't
work?
C
What
what
would
you
like
to
add
or
take
away
and
so
that'll
be
a
busy
we're
anticipating
kind
of
a
two-month
conversation
period?
We
anticipate
three
to
four
meetings,
most
likely
in
order
to
get
through
that
process
with
us
these
stakeholders,
before
we
bring
something
back
to
the
board
for
review
and
then
a
potential
amendment.
But
that's
that's
where
that
project's
at
so.
C
There
are
a
couple
small
sections
of
module:
three
that
we
weren't
able
to
give
you
before,
because
our
consultant
was
still
working
on
them,
and
so
he
has
wrapped
those
up,
and
I
believe
that
was
the
definitions
and
maybe
procedures
section.
So
we're
just
asking
you
to
look
at
that.
Make
comment
again.
You're
going
to
see
all
of
this
again
as
as
an
application
and
staff
still
is
in
the
process
of
recompiling
all
of
the
original
modules
into
one
major
document
making
sure
all
the
eyes
are
dotted
and
the
t's
are
crossed.
C
C
Yeah,
pretty
tight
turnaround
yeah,
it's
the
nature
of
this
project
with
our
consultant,
and
so
we
apologize
for
that.
I
wish
I
could
offer
you
more
time,
but
I
feel
like
we're
running
out
of
time
for
the
project.
So,
if
you're
running
up
against
a
wall-
and
you
feel
like
this-
is
you
need
more
time
there
reach
out
to
me
and
we
can
talk
through
some
possible
solutions,
but
we
are
again
trying
to
get
this
in
for
adoption
this
fall.
C
So
it's
there's
a
bit
more
work
to
do
on
that,
but
that
is
that's
pretty
much
it
right
now.
So
thank
you.
Goodbye,
commissioner
roush
again
twice.
C
H
C
H
C
C
F
C
Yes,
that
will
be
on
june.
28Th
that'll
be
the
adoption
of
so
they
they
moved
to
deny
the
appeals,
affirm
your
decision
and
then
they
added
some
conditions
to
spell
out
large
events
a
bit
more
and
added
some
additional
parking.
Additional
screening
changed
some
hours
of
operation,
so
that
will
be
formally
adopted
on
the
28th
of
june,
but
they
did
ultimately
affirm
your
your
approval
so.
C
C
I
So,
with
the
due
dewalt
summers,
when
you
say
they
affirmed
our
decision
did
that
include
no
alcohol
and
some
of
those
things
that,
but
because
it
was
like
a
poison
pill
for
them-
and
you
know
I
mean
with
all
due
respect-
that
was
what
the
neighbors
wanted.
They
wanted,
those
things
they
just
didn't
realize
that
what
we
were
giving
them
was
effectively
a
compromise,
but
a
compromise
that
leaned
their
direction,
and
so
did
the
no
alcohol
stay.
C
Commissioner,
I
think
you
might
be
referring
to
the
blue
sky
farms,
which
hasn't
gone
to
the
board.
Yet
so
dude
dewalt
as
a
winery
would
be
pretty
hard
pressed
to
not
serve
alcohol,
but
it
was
step
in
and
modify
some
of
the
conditions
that
you
placed
on
the
project
and
yeah.
So
so
yeah,
that's
we'll
yeah.
We've
got
that
appeal
next
month
and
that
will
be
end
of
the
appeals
for
a
while,
hopefully
so,
keep
doing
good
work
here,
don't
get
any
more
appeals.
C
You
guys
do
a
great
job,
but
yeah
we've
worked
through
the
gauntlet
of
appeals
over
the
last
two
to
three
months
on
the
board.
So
I.
C
You
do
have
two
meetings
in
july,
I'm
I'm
working,
so
I
I
I
had
to
give
the
board
two
meetings
in
july
too,
which
did
make
me
a
very
popular
person,
because
I've
been
trying
really
hard
to
save
everyone's
summer
break
and
that's
not
I'm
not
doing
a
good
job
on
that
front.
So
can.
C
Commissioner,
here
soon
yeah
we
will,
if
you
do,
have
updates
along
those
lines
july,
14th
and
july
28th,
I'm
happy
to
send
out
a
reminder.
Email.
Let
me
know
that
you're
out
and
I'll
just
gotta
get
to
four.
That's
that's
how
it
works,
so
you'll
be
gone
too.
Are
you
gone
the
28th.
C
G
C
Virtual
attendance
is
an
option
too.
I'm
not
that
I
want
to
interrupt
anyone's
vacation
for
an
awesome,
png
hearing,
but
you
know
that
is
an
option
too
for
folks
that
might
be
on
their
way,
like
literally
driving
to
mccall,
but
still
technically
on
our
commission.
I.
B
C
Again,
I
I'm
really.
I
don't
want
to
interrupt
anybody's
vacation
time,
so
we
can.
Let
me
see
what
I
can
do
with
the
commissioners
that
are
hopefully
going
to
be
here
and
then
figure
out
where
we
fill
in
the
gaps,
and
we
do
have
an
announcement
out
for
new
commissioners
to
fill
your
two
seeds.
So
you
know
there's
there's
a
month
we
might
have
someone
appointed
and
ready
to
stand
up
there
with
you
guys
and
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
be
on.
F
Vacation,
but
that
might
be
just
being
unsafe.
C
Yeah
I
mean
again,
if
that's
an
option
for
you,
we
we
certainly
can
do
that.
That's
you
know.
We've
done
that
in
the
past,
not
a
problem
for
us
to
do
too,
but
be
honest
with
what
your
time
looks
like,
because
I
again
I
ask
a
lot
of
you
and
I'm
trying
not
to
ask
too
much
so
yeah
all
right.