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A
A
I'm
going
to
start
with
a
roll
call,
so
brenda
blittman
is
here.
Commissioner
birch
here,
commissioner
exton
is
absent.
Commissioner
wickstrom,
commissioner
brown
is
absent.
He
might
come
in
later.
Commissioner
coulson
is
absent,
and
then
commissioner
roush
is.
B
A
Sorry
so
we've
got
four
commissioners,
so
we've
got
a
quorum,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
hit
and
look
at
the
agenda.
The
first
item
is
two
zero.
Two
one:
zero
three:
two:
zero:
nine
dash
s
h:
d,
a
team,
land
consultants
and
there's
a
staff
recommendation
to
table.
Is
there
a
motion
from
the
commissioners.
C
Move
to
table
applicant
2021-03209-s.
A
It's
been
moved
to
table
this
item
until
the
july
14th
2022
meeting.
Is
there
a
second
second
second
from
commissioner
roush,
any
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed
say
I.
So
let
the
minutes
reflect
that
all
four
commissioners
voted
to
table
that
motion.
The
next
motion
is
two
zero.
Two
two
zero
zero
one,
two
two
dash
s,
fphdpr
mason
and
associates
inc,
and
it's
got
a
recommendation
to
table
to
july
14th.
D
A
Thank
you
for
that
motion
to
table
the
project.
Is
there
a
second
seconded
by
commissioner
wickstrom,
any
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
any
opposed,
and
let
the
minutes
reflect
that
all
the
commissioners
voted
to
table
that
project
until
the
july
14
2022
meeting
the
next
item:
two
zero:
two
one
zero
one,
one
four
eight
cumsp
has
been
withdrawn,
so
we
won't
so
it
won't
be
part
of
our
agenda
today.
A
E
E
The
properties
located
on
robinson
road
contains
two
parcels
currently
of
a
total
of
37.95
acres
in
the
rural
residential
rr
district
section
18
township
one
north
range
one
west,
so
we'll
see
here
on
the
vicinity
map
where
kind
of
southwest
acuna
northeast
of
melba
property
is
on
robinson
road,
as
you
can
see
here
is
the
property,
so
the
the
applicant
is
requesting
the
property
be
split
into
three
buildable
rural
residential
lots.
All
three
lots
will
be
a
minimum
of
10
acres
to
meet
the
rural
residential
lot
size
minimum.
E
Now
the
subdivision
complies
with
chapter
8-6
of
the
ada
county
code,
since
the
proposed
lots
comply
with
the
dimensional
standards
for
the
rural
residential
districts,
though
the
pre
or
the
property
is
in
unincorporated
county
and
not
within
an
area
of
city
impacts
and
therefore
the
ada
county
comp
plan
is
the
applicable
plan,
as
well
as
the
ada
county
future
land
use
map.
The
comp
plan
designates
the
property
as
agriculture
irrigated,
which
lists
agriculture
as
a
primary
use
and
residences
as
a
secondary
use.
E
E
We
did
not
receive
any
agency
opposition
on
this
application.
One
of
the
more
important
conditions
of
approval
is
from
central
district
health.
The
requiring
a
land
development
application
be
approved
a
fee
per
lot,
along
with
test
holes
and
a
full
engineering
report
for
their
septic
systems,
and
then
I
will
note
there
was
one
owner
of
an
adjacent
property
that
reached
out
to
us
it's
a
catholic
property
with
which
is
a
animal
feeding
operation.
A
C
Chair,
mr,
I
didn't
see.
Any
approval
from
any
from
cune
of
fire
is
that
in
a
conditioner.
E
Yeah
so
madam
chair,
commissioner
wickstrom,
so
this
is
actually
in
the
melba
fire
district
we
did
transmit
to
them.
They
did
not
submit
comments
to
us
our
county
engineer.
E
He
he
looks
through
fire
code
as
well,
so
they
will
have
to
get
approved
for
each
of
their
driveways.
There
was
no
additional
requirements,
though,
from
the
fire
district
on
this.
Thank
you.
A
My
question:
I
wondered
about
achd
if
they
had
any
input
or
if
there
was
any
discussion.
E
E
B
Good
evening,
chairman
board,
I
appreciate
you
spending
the
time
letting
us
apply
for
this
application
it
just
how
connor
explained
it
pretty
straightforward,
just
trying
to
get
a
couple
more
residential
lots
that
are
cater
more
to
the
royal
ag
section
of
it.
You
know
the
minimum
of
10
acres.
These
are
all
above
11
plus
acres,
nice
usable
lots
where
families
can
use
little
farmets
ranch
ads,
have
animals
aydah,
county's
kind
of
losing
a
little
bit
of
that
threshold
on
the
heart
of
it.
B
So
we
feel
like
this
is
a
good
fit
and
could
balance
out
that
environment
out
there
and
and
feed
off
of
the
neighbors
by
being
able
to
have
a
couple
more
building
lots
out
there
for
families
for
one
to
utilize,
the
school
districts
be
able
to
raise
their
families
in
a
real
residential
agricultural
background.
So
is
there
any
questions
for
me.
F
B
C
B
C
A
D
B
There
was
no
comments
at
the
neighborhood
meeting.
We
did
have
a
couple
phone
calls,
but
just
on
regular
election,
I
believe
the
neighbor
to
the
south
was
just
want
to
know
how
the
process
goes
and
what
we
were
doing,
because
he
was
thinking
about
splitting
off
a
chunk
of
his
land,
so
nothing
negative
that
came
in
on
feedback.
D
A
A
A
G
G
The
subject
property
is
downwind
and
downhill
from
our
dairy
facility.
The
dairy
facility
also
has
a
lagoon
which
sits
right
on
the
boundary,
in
addition
to
which
land
applied
lagoon
water
goes
on
the
ground
to
the
west.
G
But
we
foresee
some
some
issues,
potentially
just
from
the
what
goes
on
at
the
dairy
and
the
the
downwind
approach
to
things
well.
Thank
you.
That's
all.
I
have
to
say.
G
H
Hello:
everyone,
my
name,
is
ted
vanderskoff
thanks
for
having
us
here
today
I
operate
the
dairy
that
mister,
oh
sorry,
ted,
vanderscoff,
3633,
west,
green
lane,
cuna
idaho.
I
operate
two
dairy
facilities
in
the
kuna
area,
one
of
which
is
the
grasslands
property
we're
the
tenant
there.
We
milk
about
1500
cows,
and
we
are
immensely
concerned
about
having
additional
homes.
Next
to
this
property.
H
H
This
this
subdivision
would
be
like
dropping
a
grenade
in
our
community.
We
are
as
far
from
cuna
as
we
are
from
melba.
That's
why
those
cafes
are
cited
there,
so
that
we
are
not
by
subdivisions
when
you
cite
a
cafo,
you
take
into
consideration
the
surrounding
neighborhood
environments,
you're,
trying
to
cite
them
away.
H
I
believe,
just
a
year
ago,
you
guys
had
a
listening
discussion
over
cafo,
citing
requirements.
I
don't
understand.
I
guess
I
guess
by
the
letter
of
the
law,
this
maybe
fits
by
the
code,
but
that
does
not
make
this
a
good
idea.
You
would
never
put
a
cathode
next
to
a
subdivision.
I
don't
think
you
should
put
a
calf
I'll
put
a
subdivision
next
to
a
cafo
those
we
have
about
15
kaffos
left
in
ada
county.
H
The
lion's
share
of
them
are
on
communicative
road.
We
aren't
planning
on
going
away
we're
not
moving
we're
not
selling
for
land
development
anytime,
real
soon,
south
of
the
hill.
H
H
If
we
had
the
opportunity
to
buy
this
ground,
we
would
have
we
never
did.
We
never
did
it
was
sold
before
it
was
ever
listed.
I'm
telling
you
and
that
10
acre
with
the
house
just
to
the
south.
He
split
that
off.
That
was
the
original
owner's
home,
so
there's
actually
four
gonna
be
four
houses
right
next
to
each
other
there
three
of
what
we
do
can't
stop
one
of
them.
I
don't
think,
but
these
other
two
I
got
issues
with.
So
that's
all.
I
have
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
C
You,
madam
chair,
since
you're
there
first
and
the
split
is
going
on
with
knowledge
that
you're
there
and
you're
going
to
be
there.
What
what
kind
of
retribution
or
what
kind
of
things
do
you
think
could
go
wrong.
H
I
can
tell
you:
I've
operated
dairies
in
the
cuna
area
for
23
years.
I
have
a
dairy
on
green
lane.
We
milk
about
600
cows
there
in
2005.
We
were
asked
to
have
a
subdivision
place.
Next
to
us,
it
was
nine
homes
and
I
thought
sure
land
values
are
up
pretty
soon
we'll
be
moving
ourselves.
Let's
put
that
in
there,
and
so
I
didn't
oppose
it.
It
was
supposed
to
be
nice
300
000
homes.
H
At
that
time
you
know,
and
it
took
a
long
time
for
that
subdivision
to
get
put
in
because
of
the
recession,
but
once
it
did,
I
had
a
whole
bunch
of
neighbors
that
did
not
understand
ag.
I
had
the
milk
inspector
being
called
for
things
that
were
normal
operating
procedures.
I
had
you
know
manure
on
the
road
I
would
get
called
into
the
county
if
we
had
a
cow
standing
there.
Looking
you
know
you
know
lonely.
I
would
get
a
call.
We
got
fly
issues.
We
got
dust
issues,
we
got
smell
issues.
H
I
got
angry
people
at
my
door,
it's
not
it's
not
profitable
to
our
business.
We
want
to
leave
because
of
that.
I
wish.
I
would
have
never
let
that
subdivision
or
I
wish
I
would
have
not
gave
that
approval.
You
know,
and
this
to
me
is
even
a
bigger
deal,
I'm
over
there
by
myself
milking
500
cows
on
one
operation.
I
think
it's
more
inevitable,
I'm
three
miles
south
of
cuna
on
the
north
side
of
the
hill.
There
it's
more
inevitable
we're
going
to
have
development
there.
I
don't.
H
I
don't
think
anybody
really
is
thinking,
that's
not
going
to
happen,
but
south
of
the
hill,
like
I
said
we're
as
far
as
we
can
be
from
cuna
or
as
far
as
we
can
be
from
elba.
You
know
this
is
not
the
place.
This
is
not
the
time
to
do
this.
Now.
You
know
someday
all
this
ground,
I
understand
will
be
under
homes
just
not
now.
I
don't
see
it
now.
Thank.
A
Thank
you,
I've
got
and,
and
I
apologize,
I
can't
read
the
name.
It
starts
with
an
l.
The
first
name
starts
with
an
l,
and
the
last
name
starts
with
a
d.
I
I
I
We
spread
manure,
we
pump
green
water
and
they
will
get
a
good
whiff
of
it
and
not
like
it.
That's
the
part
of
ag
that
people
don't
like,
they
don't
understand
it,
but
it
is
a
necessary
evil
and
all
it
takes
is
one
person
complaining
and
then
they
don't
get
along
and
it
doesn't
work.
A
A
Okay,
so
we've
got
some
questions
for
mr
lindstrom.
E
Madam
chair,
I'm
not
an
expert
in
cafos
for
sure
I
don't
know
if
leon
has
more
info
but
their
protected
use
with
the
state
of
idaho,
they
have
the
right
to
do
what
they
you
know
within
their
bounds
and
what
they've
been
approved
for
if
there
was
a
subdivision
nearby
as
well,
that
subdivision
would
also
have
a
right
to
farm
act.
So
I
don't
beyond
that.
I
can't
tell
you
much
more
about
the
site.
E
E
Yeah
I
mean
that
they
would,
as
the
cafe
they
might
have
some
more
people
at
their
doorstep,
but
it's
not
going
to
restrict
what
they
can
do.
You
know
with
with
their
livestock
operation.
I
don't
know
if
leon
you
wanted
to
talk
more.
I'm.
J
Sure
I
think
connor
covered
that
you
know,
and
this
is
a
coming
to
the
relation
I
don't
say
nuisance,
but
coming
to
the
situation,
you
know
the
last
person
on
the
scene.
The
subdivision
here
is
stepping
into
a
situation
that
it
needs
to
be
aware
of,
and
I
think
we've
heard
concerns
from
the
capital
operators
as
to
what
that,
how
that
actually
plays
out
in
terms
of
people
making
complaints
and
things
like
that.
So
you
know,
I
would
say
those
things
aren't
really
subject
to
your
decision
here.
J
If
people
want
to
complain
about
their
neighbors
that
happens
everywhere.
I
think
you
need
to
consider
things
like
land
use,
compatibility
and
different
things
like
that,
but
but
yeah
I
mean,
I
think,
we've
heard
testimony
from
both
sides.
You'll
hear
a
rebuttal
from
the
person
trying
to
put
in
three
lots
here
in
a
minute
as
to
why
they
think
this
is
a
good
site
based
on
the
testimony
that
we've
just
received
but
yeah
again
to
conor's
point.
Kappas
are
protected
use
in
the
state
of
idaho
they
our
office
doesn't
regulate
them.
J
On
my
experience,
yeah,
we
haven't
processed
a
lot
of
these.
We
do
have
a
section
of
our
code,
but
again
we
largely
just
defer
to
state
requirements
as
it
relates
to
these
operations.
So.
A
Okay,
we'll
get
another
question:
yeah
is
there
any?
Do
we
ever
put
comments
in
the
findings
that
say
or
the
conditions
that
say
like
I
know,
sometimes
on
plots?
We
need
to
record
comments
that
that
this
you
know
this
thing
has
happened.
I
mean:
do
we
ever
have
a
way
that
we
can
make
sure
that
the
people
buying
the
property
know
that
they
are
subject
to
these.
E
E
As
for
the
notes
about
being
next
to
a
cafo,
I've
never
seen
that
before
you
know,
I
think
that
it
just
comes
with
people
buying
their
lots
out
here
that
you
know,
hopefully
that
they
would
understand
that
they're
buying
in
this
area
that
there's
going
to
be
agricultural
uses
around
them.
But
a
note
might
be
helpful
to
put
on
there
that
you're
buying
your
lot
next
to
a
an
operating
cafe.
J
J
Freedom
to
to
to
work
their
own
land,
we
typically
don't
want
to
put
notes
on
plots
that
regula
that
point
to
other
people's
properties,
because
that
tends
to
get
complicated
but
yeah
again.
I
think
I
think
this
is
a
group
of
people
that
would
be
coming
to
a
situation
and
hopefully
with
eyes
wide
open,
but
if
not,
then
the
neighborhood
complaint
stuff.
Does
that
just
happens?
And
I
guess
that's
what
you
guys
have
to
think
about
from
a
land
use
development
compatibility
standpoint
here
so.
A
B
Thank
you
again,
guys
I'll
just
go
through
my
notes
and
start
from
the
first
rebuttal
as
far
as
grasslands,
dairy
lsd
to
the
north
of
us
just
to
get
some
clarification,
he
does
have
a
legume
pond
and
it
does
not
drain.
He
has
to
contain
that
on
his
property,
there's
a
south
power,
lateral,
ditch
that
runs
through
there.
If
his
lagoon
pond
ran
into
that
lateral,
ditch,
he
would
be
fined
extremely
daily
on
a
daily
basis.
B
So
he
has
to
contain
that
there's
no
legion
of
the
dairies
water
wastewater
coming
on
this
property
whatsoever
that
ditch
is
our
centerline
property
line,
so
there's
there's
a
buffer
there.
The
way
this
was
set
up
with
the
three
lots
with
the
preliminary
plot
we
made
it
to
where
it
was
a
long
skinny
lot
for
lot,
one
given
more
frontage
on
robinson
road
to
enable
a
building
envelope
more
to
the
south
away
from
the
dairy
to
accommodate
a
buffer.
B
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that.
Did
anybody
have
any
questions
on
that
lagoon
and
how
that
so,
that's
how
that
works?
These
lots
were
listed
on
the
mls.
There
was
a
initial
offer.
That
was
put
in
within
five
days
and
was
rejected,
and
then
the
the
offer
that
was
accepted
was
in
place,
so
everybody
had
access
and
rights
to
buy
this
property
and
they
chose
not
to
the
neighbors
all
knew
about
it.
It
was
listed.
I
don't
know
exactly
how
many
days
it
was
on
market,
but
I
can
pull
up
that
documentation.
B
We're
trying
to
make
a
balance
here.
I
understand
their
their
frustrations.
I
grew
up
in
the
magic
valley
and
I
seen
bad
growth
when
it
came
to
the
dairy
industry
and
it
pushed
my
family
out
of
the
place
where
I
was
born
and
raised
because
of
12
000
cow
dairy
decided
to
go
in
next
door.
We
have
to
work
together.
B
I
feel
like
I'm
being
just
and
simple
and
reasonable,
by
making
a
minimum
of
10
acre
lots
that
will
be
ag
exempt,
be
able
to
get
an
ag
exempt,
be
able
to
have
a
family,
have
animals
horses
cows
and
be
able
to
have
a
royal
environment
to
live
in,
and
so
I
believe
it's
a
good
balance
with
these
lots.
They're
still
going
to
be
farmed,
they're
going
to
grow
hay,
not
for
the
dairies,
but
probably
for
the
people
that
are
living
there
with
for
horses
and
they're
going
to
put
manure
on
it.
B
The
the
thing
about
it
is
I've
been
in
the
real
estate
business
long
enough
when
you
bring
clients
out
to
an
area
out
like
that,
they
already
know.
What's
going
on,
they've
already
done
their
homework,
they
know,
there's
dairies
there
there's,
they
know
the
environment
and
they
know
what
comes
with
the
environment
before
they
purchase.
E
B
If
they
don't
and
they
miss
something
guess
what
they
sell
their
place
and
move
on
so
to
me,
justifying
we
shouldn't
do
this
because
oh
it's
just
gonna
cause
bad
blood,
bad
blood,
bad
blood.
Well,
you
can
make
it
bad
blood
if
you
come
defensive
but
if
you're
a
friendly
neighbor,
it
doesn't
happen
that
way
and
then
also
as
far
as
cfos
as
the
road
dictates
from
this
property.
Besides
grasslands,
dairy,
the
the
one
opposition
letter
that
was
sent
in
by
eagle
ridge,
that's
1.7
miles
away
from
the
subject
property.
B
I
don't
know
what
mr
devries,
I
guess,
dairy
I
I
guess
he
sold
it,
but
I
don't
know
how
far
that
is,
but
it
is
farther
from
eagle
ridge.
So
it's
got
to
be
probably
a
two
minute
two
mile
from
road-
I
don't
know
as
a
crows
fry.
But
if
you
drive
out
of
this
subject,
property
eagle
ridge
is
1.7
miles
away.
So
there's
a
big
enough
buffer
around
here.
B
I
I
feel
that
it's
we're.
I
understand,
like
I
said
that
they
want
to
seclude
what
they
have,
but
we
have
to
work
together.
We're
going
to
have
growth.
I
mean
ada
county
has
done
a
phenomenal
job
with
the
royal
residential
versus
I'm,
not
trying
to
say
anything,
bad,
but
canyon,
county.
You
know
they
were
minimum.
Two
acre
lots.
Oh
my
goodness!
It's
a
mess
over
there.
B
So
I'm
a
firm
believer
that
we
have
to
have
this,
and
this
is
in
the
melba
school
districts,
which
is
a
close.
It's
a
closed,
enrollment
school
district.
So
if
there's
no
new
homes
going
up
there,
families
aren't
going
to
be
able
to
to
send
their
kids
to
melba.
So
it's
it's
a
much
needed
thing
in
that
area.
To
have
a
little
extra
couple
of
extra
residences
to
have
families
be
in
that
school
district.
A
E
B
So
per
achd
it's
a
minimum.
I
believe
it
was
150
feet
distance
between
each
driveway,
the
prospective
driveway
for
lot.
Three
is,
I
believe,
300
feet
from
the
south
heading
north,
which
would
be
a
hammerhead
driveway,
going
straight
into
the
building
envelope.
Having
preserving
ag
completely
around
that
11.91
acre
lot.
B
C
A
E
Madam
chair
just
declare
you're
actually
you're,
recommending
to
the
board
on
this
one,
just
to
be
clear.
Thank.
A
C
A
C
D
C
I
I
understand
the
concerns
that
they
have
about
having
the
residential
area
close
to
their
dairy
and
especially
I'd,
be
very
gun
shy.
If
I
had
had
some
bad
experiences,
hopefully
with
10
acre
lots,
you
can
have
people
who
are
ag
conscious
and
are
going
to
be
able
to
understand
that
that
living
in
an
area
like
that
you're
going
to
have
smells
and
flies
and
and
they're
going
to
have
their
own.
Hopefully
they're
they're
going
to
be
ag
people,
hopefully,
and
if
this
was
a
neighborhood,
a
typical
track.
C
C
I
think
also
the
real
estate
wise,
I'm
enjoying
my
old
real
estate
information
here
as
far
as
a
realtor
she's,
showing
if
realtor
is
showing
somebody
that
property,
if
there's
any
sort
of
a
detrimental
thing
going
on
there,
that
would
have
an
effect
on
value
they
had,
they
would
have
to
disclose
it.
C
And
hopefully
you
that's
it's
a
little
issue
here
in
idaho,
but
normally
that
would
be
something
that
would
be
disclosed
by
the
by
the
seller
or
the
agent
somewhere
along
the
line
that
he
disclosed
so
that
they
know
what
they're
getting
into
so.
I
can
see
that
this
this
would
fit
into
that
area
just
because
of
the
large
lots
and
the
type
of
people
that
would
hopefully
move
into
something
like
that.
D
Madam
chair,
so
I've
got
a
little
little
bit
of
dairy
experience,
so
I
got
to
work.
One
night
in
a
milk
parlor
met
her
friends
that
are
friends
dairy
several
years
ago,
and
so
I
I
kind
of
am
familiar
with
the
layout
and
and
the
smells
and
the
sights
and
the
sounds
I
lived
in
one
of
the
old
old
one.
One
of
the
old
houses
was
just
a
little
mobile
home
on
on
the
site.
D
While
I
was
working
construction
so
certainly
familiar
with
those
sights
and
sounds
that
can
be
concerns
for
the
neighbors
and
certainly
can
appreciate
the
the
struggles
that
you
know.
Caf
caf,
dairy
operators
or,
or
you
know
any
ag
operator-
might
experience
with
new
neighbors
moving
in
and
not
understanding.
D
What's
going
on,
I
think
for
the
most
part
you
know,
like
mr
commissioner,
wickstrom
said
that
this
is
different
than
a
tract
tracked.
Home
development
or
a
higher
density
subdivision
with
the
10
acre
lots
and
that
ag
use
still
kind
of
is
the
the
intent
behind
this
project
and
not
not.
You
know
quarter
acre
lots
or
ten
thousand
nine
thousand
square
foot
lots
and
that
that
that
should
kind
of
appeal
more
to
the
the
ag,
the
ag-centric
ag-minded
homeowners
in
this
area.
That's
that's
my
thoughts.
F
I
I'm
really
split
on
this.
I
mean
not
so
much
split
as
to
whether
or
not
the
applicant
ought
to
be
able
to
do
this,
but
I
understand
the
concerns
of
the
dairy
operators
with
all
due
respect
to
the
applicant.
I
wouldn't
wear,
because
the
prevailing
winds
are
generally
from
west
to
east,
but
when
they
shift
from
east
to
west,
you
can
smell
that
for
a
long
ways
away
and
there's
other
dairies
further
on
you,
go
on
down
kuna
cave
and
go
on
poen
road
and
there's
other
ones
and
the
same
thing.
F
F
F
And
so
I
have
a
hard
time
telling
saying
that
I'm
going
to
vote
against
this,
when
what
the
applicant
wants
to
do
is
to
split
it
off
into
parcel
sizes
that
would
be
allowed
under
the
code.
So
you
know
I
I
see
both
sides
of
it,
but
it'd
be
hard
for
me
to
justify
saying
to
this
applicant.
No,
you
can't
do
it,
but
that
people
to
the
south
of
cuna
cave
road
can
do
it.
So
that's
all
I've
got.
A
Thank
you,
I'm
a
dairy,
farmer's
daughter,
so
I'm
well
acquainted
with
the
smell
of
dairy
farms
and
if
you
have
ever
been
to
cuna,
there's
a
dairy
farm,
that's
smack
in
the
middle
of
cuna,
with
about
5
000
homes
within
half
a
mile
or
within
a
mile
of
it.
A
So
and
people
still
move
there
right,
and
so
I
I
can
appreciate
that
that
it
might
smell,
and
I
appreciate
that
there's
going
to
be
flies,
but
the
dairies
were
there
first
and
I
don't
think
we
can
tell
other
people
they
can't
move
in,
because
the
dairies
are
there.
A
What
we
can
tell
them
is
that
they
have
to
respect.
This
is
the
dairy
way
of
life
and
I
think,
if
you
can
work
with
the
sales
team
and
make
sure
that
they
get
some
agricultural
understanding
as
part
of
the
sales
process
that
might
help
that
process.
My
husband
is
not
from
a
dairy
and
when
we
first
moved
into
our
house,
we
have
smells,
and
I
said
that
just
smells
like
money.
A
You
know
I
mean
that's,
that's
where
I
grew
up
and
smells
it
smells
like
home,
and
so
I
think
it's
just
a
perspective,
so
I
don't
have
any
other
comments.
Any
other
comments
before
we
vote.
C
Yeah
well
just
one
pre-point
against
a
madam
chair
and
in
a
way
it's
the
applicant
who's,
taking
the
the
risk
in
splitting
this
off,
he
may
be
stuck
with
two
loss
that
he
can't
sell.
He
might
be
able
to
sell
that
southernmost
lot,
but
people
are
going
to
go
out
there
and
see
that
dairy
and
get
the
smells
and
yeah.
Let's
go
somewhere
else
and
try
to
find
our
10
acres
so
he's
the
one
who's
taking
he's
got
risk
going
on
there
too,
for
him.
A
A
Okay,
we've
got
three
projects
that
are
very
similar,
so
two
zero
one:
seven,
zero,
two:
five:
three:
nine
c:
u
m
s!
P!
It's
a
pit
mine
or
quarry
review.
Mr
danielson.
K
So
ma'am
chair
and
commissioners,
I
have
three
gravel
pip
reviews
in
front
of
you
this
evening.
I
will
start
the
presentation
with
an
overview
of
the
review
process
for
the
gravel
pits.
Then
I'll
present
each
gravel
pit
separately
and
the
commission
will
then
make
a
decision
on
each
review
separately.
So
I'll
do
the
first
gravel
pit
first
and
then
you'll
make
a
decision
and
deliberate
on
that
first
review
and
then
I'll
go
on
to
the
second
one.
K
K
Back
in
2002,
the
gravel
pit
is
located:
approximately
80
acres,
east
of
pleasant
valley,
road,
a
staff
sent
out
a
request
to
agencies
registered
neighborhood
groups
and
political
subdivisions.
Listening
any
comments,
concerns
or
issues
regarding
the
operation
of
this
gravel
pit,
we
did
not
receive
any
comments
back
expressing
concerns
regarding
the
operation
of
the
gravel
pit
staff
finds
that
this
gravel
pit
is
in
compliance
with
the
conditions
of
approval
for
project
number
2017
02517
cu-msb
and
recommends
approval
to
the
commission
and
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
A
Thank
you.
This
is
more
of
a
procedural
question.
Do
we
vote
on
each
one
separately?
Is
that
what
we
need.
F
E
F
But
the
reports
were
different,
I
mean
one
report
was
like
39
pages.
One
report
was
65
pages
one.
Not
so
I
figured
okay
well,
something
else
is
going
on
here.
The
reports
wouldn't
be
longer
and
and
this
one
that
we're
talking
about
now,
are
they
putting
in
a
road
that
doesn't
exist
right
now
for
the
gravel
pit.
So.
K
This
one
basically
has
basically
access
onto
pleasant
valley,
road
through
an
easement,
and
so
this
one,
you
know,
is
a
gravel
pit
that
was
originally
approved
back
in
2002
and
and
some
of
them
were
and
then
the
other
two,
these
two
gravel
pits
they
ended
up.
So
these
are
on
amex
lane
and
they
mix
lane.
Basically,
it
kind
of
used
to
end
about
right
here
and
then
they
had
to
do
a
private
road
extension
to
extend
the
road
further
to
the
east.
K
And
so
when
you
look
at
the
findings
of
fact,
that
approved
project
number
five
three
and
then
the
same
thing
with
the
finds
to
approve
project
number:
twenty
eighteen:
zero,
zero,
four
one,
nine
cu,
msp
those
had
the
additional
findings
for
private
road.
So
that's
why
the
two
pits
to
the
south.
K
The
the
original
findings
effect
for
those
two
were
more
pages
than
the
gravel
pit
that
was
to
the
north
and
then
also
with
the
like
the
gravel
pits
to
the
south.
I
think
they
also
have
like
a
more
like
a
rock
crusher.
K
I
think
one
of
them
has
like
an
asphalt
batch
plant,
the
one
that's
in
the
middle
and
the
other
one
to
the
north
didn't
have,
I
think,
just
maybe
had
rock
crushing
didn't,
have
the
asphalt
batch
plant
and
so
those
are
kind
of
the
the
main
differences
but
for
the
most
part,
you're
they're
doing
pretty
much
the
same
thing.
K
They're
mining,
gravel,
the
size
of
the
pits
are
maybe
a
little
bit
different,
where
the
pit
to
the
north
is
obviously
a
little
bit
smaller
than
the
pit
two
pits
to
the
south,
and
then
the
largest
pit's
gonna
be
the
one
to
the
south,
which
is
the
knife
river
pit.
K
K
Yes,
we
don't
have
any
of
the
applicants
so
something
obviously
I
didn't
notify
the
owners
of
the
gravel
pits
or
the
operators
of
the
outputs
that
we
were
having
the
the
hearing
tonight.
K
The
only
owner
that
I
heard
back
from
her
that
plant
her
back
from
was
the
one
that
was
this
first
one
to
the
north
and
he
seemed
to
you
know
kind
of
replied
to
me,
an
email
that
he
was.
You
know
thought
this.
You
know
the
review
was
he
agreed
with
it
so
especially
with
these,
but
these
this
review
with
all
three
reviews.
K
Staff
is
recommending
approval
of
them,
and
so
I
think
you
know
overall
this
with
the
first
one
I
mean
you
know
the
the
applicant's
done
a
good
job
as
complied
with
their
conditions
of
approval,
and
so
I
think
they
just
didn't
see
a
need
to
come
tonight.
A
Thank
you
any
more
questions.
A
F
A
F
A
K
This
gravel
pit
was
approved
by
the
playing
and
zoning
commission
on
july
12
2018
and
his
zoning
certificate
was
issued
on
july
8
2019.
this
one
applica.
This
gravel
pit
did
have
an
administrative
modification
that
was
later
approved
for
the
gravel
pit
on
november
29th
2019
in
this
administrative
modification.
K
They
ended
up
kind
of
relocating
the
the
scales
and
the
parking
from
the
original
approved
plan,
and
that's
why
this
gravel
pit
had
an
administrative
modification
and
that's
kind
of
another
reason
why
the
staff
report
for
this
one
and
also
the
third
review,
was
a
little
bit
lengthier
than
the
first
one,
because
that
first
one
didn't
have
a
mystery
modification
associated
with
it,
where
the
other
two
had
administrative
modifications
associated
with
it.
K
This
gravel
pit
encompasses
200
acres
on
a
600
acre
property
in
addition
to
the
gravel
pit
there's
a
rock
crusher,
along
with
an
asphalt
and
concrete
ready
mix
plant.
K
This
gravel
pit
is
located
at
2500
west
amex
lane
staff
sent
out
a
request
agency's
registered
neighborhood
groups
and
political
subdivisions
listing
any
comments,
concerns
or
issues
regarding
the
operation
of
the
gravel
pit.
We
did
not
receive
any
comments
back
expressing
concerns
regarding
the
operation
of
this
gravel
pit
staff
finds
of
this
gravel
pis
in
compliance
with
the
conditions
of
approval
for
project
number
2017
02539
cu-msp
and
recommends
approval
to
the
commission
and
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
Thank.
D
D
Madam
chair,
thank
you.
I
move
to
based
upon
the
evidence
combined
in
the
rec
contained
in
the
record
herein,
in
testimony
from
the
public
hearing,
the
commission
approves
a
review
for
project
number:
two:
zero
one:
seven:
zero,
two:
five:
three:
nine
c:
u
dash
msp.
A
A
K
Our
third
gravel
pit
is
associated
with
project
number:
twenty
eighteen,
zero,
zero,
four
one,
nine
c:
u
dash
msb!
This
gravel
pipe
was
approved
by
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
on
may
10.
2018.
administrative
modification
was
later
approved
for
the
gravel
pill
may
30th
2019
and
a
zoning
certificate
was
issued
on
july
31st
2019.
K
They
did
get
approval
of
that
with
the
initial
conditional
use
and
master
site
plan
application,
but
the
later
on
decided
to
just
have
that
at
their
kind
of
office
over
on
gown
road,
and
so
this
application
ended
up
having
a
mystery
modification
to
remove
that
research
building
along
with
some
of
the
additional
part,
and
then
that
affected
the
parking
area,
because
that
you
didn't
need
as
much
parking
without
having
that
research
facility
there,
and
so
the
parking
plan
changed
and
that's
why
this
one
had
an
administrative
modification.
K
This
project
expanded
an
existing
gravel
pit
that
was
approved
through
project
number
2013004
476
cu-msp,
and
this
gravel
plays
local
400
acres
at
1503,
west
amex
lane
staff
sent
out
a
request
agencies
registered
neighborhood
groups
and
political
situations.
Listening
any
comments,
concerns
or
issues
regarding
the
operation
of
the
scrabble
pit,
and
we
did
not
receive
any
comments
back
expressing
concerns
regarding
the
operation
of
the
gravel
pit
staff
finds
that
this
application.
A
C
C
A
Commissioner
roush
seconded
the
motion,
any
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye,
aye
and
I'll
say
I
any
opposed
and
let
the
minutes
reflect
that
the
review
was
approved.
Thank
you
very
much.
We'll
go
to
the
minutes
from
the
may
26
2022
meeting.
Do
I
have
a
motion
from
the
commissioners
regarding
those
minutes.
A
Would
be
seconded,
moved
and
seconded
by
commissioner
wickstrom
and
commissioner
burch,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
and.
A
J
J
The
first
item
was
an
appeal
of
the
3100
seller's
approval
that
the
commission
made
that
the
appeal
was
denied,
but
additional
conditions
were
placed
on
the
project
primarily
focused
on
limiting
tasting
room
hours,
people
who
could
attend
the
tasting
room
removed,
promotional
events
almost
entirely
trying
to
think
of
other
things.
There
was
some
discussion
of
large
truck
traffic.
J
There
was
so
some
some
things
along
those
lines
that
will
go
back
to
the
board
for
final
decision
and
final
conditions
at
the
end
of
this
month
at
one
of
their
open
business
meetings,
and
I
can
pause
on
that
one.
If
you
have
any
questions,
yeah.
J
Man,
I'm
sure
the
public
hearing
has
been
closed,
yeah
so
funny
enough.
It
was
tabled
by
the
board.
Well,
testimony
was
heard,
and
then
it
was
tabled
by
the
board
to
ask
staff
to
look
at
some
additional
information
and
propose
some
draft
conditions
that
they
provided.
We
then
made
that
available
at
the
public
hearing
for
additional
comment
and
then
based
on
that
comment,
they're
going
to
further
refine
conditions,
even
more
so,
but
their
the
public
hearing
portion
is
closed.
A
G
J
Gave
them
the
two
larger
events
now
they've
eliminated
all
of
the
smaller
promotional
events
and
are
allowing
two
larger
events,
but
they're
capping
them
at
50
people.
So
it's
kind
of
been
discussed
as
to
whether
or
not
they
even
needed
the
social
club
lodge
or
social
hall
approval,
so
that's
kind
of
where
it
ended
up
at
the
end,
so
they
will
get
to
do
their
wine.
Pickups
they've
got
kind
of
limited
hours
and
limited
times
of
year
that
they
can
do
that.
J
They'll
have
a
tasting
room
which
is
pretty
limited
in
terms
of
people
that
can
attend
daily,
a
little
bit
more
as
being
allowed
on
the
weekends
I
think
up
to
30
people,
but
yeah.
That's
essentially
where
that
one
ended
so
and
it
was
yeah.
I
think
combined
testimony
at
the
board.
Public
hearings
was
over
five
hours,
maybe
six
hours.
So
it
was
a
lot
a
lot
of
discussion,
any
other
comments
or
questions
on
that.
One.
J
The
first
hearing
we
had
a
lot
online,
a
lot
more
online
second
hearing.
I
think
we
only
had
a
couple
people
online.
The
room
was
very
full.
If
that's,
I
guess
the
answer
you're
looking
for,
we
have
yeah.
There
are
a
lot
of
people
here,
a
lot
of
people
standing
in
the
back,
so
it
was
a
pretty
busy
night
for
everybody
all
right.
So
then.
J
D
J
J
J
If
you
recall,
had
a
small
home
on
it
was
about
a
five-acre
piece
of
property,
he
wanted
to
carve
out
a
small
less
than
acre-sized
piece
adjacent
to
this
neighborhood,
oh
yeah,
and
leave
like
the
almost
the
remaining
five
acres,
just
as
it
is
had
a
couple
roads
that
stepped
into
it
and
all
of
that
it
was
approved,
but
with
the
need
for
revised
conditions
based
on
some
central
district
health
requirements
that
were
really
not
a
requirement
because
everyone
got
to
connect
the
sewer
and
moving
on.
J
J
Lots
of
discussion
on
that
one,
the
developer
and
the
neighborhood
are
still
hashing
out
that
drain
field
and
how
that's
supposed
to
work.
If
you've
recalled
the
hearing,
I
think
he
said
we
don't
want
the
drain
field,
we're
not
going
to
use
it
and
then
kind
of
last
minute
he
put
a
memorandum
of
a
draft
memorandum
of
understanding
in
front
of
us
that
him
and
the
neighborhood
would
enter
into
to
try
to
share
the
drain
field.
J
If
that's
what
central
district
health
determined
needed
to
happen,
and
so
that
resulted
in
basically
the
commission
or
the
commissioners
deciding
it
needs
to
be
tabled
so
that
they
could
hash
that
out,
some
more
and
figure
out.
You
know
what
to
do
with
that
that
drain
field,
so
those
old
non-farm
subdivisions,
certainly
interesting
legacy.
That
leaves
behind
any
questions
on
that
one.
Before
I
move
on
all
right
and
then,
let's
see
we
had
a
zone,
change
development
agreement
and
master
site
plan
for
a
property
out
on
canada
road.
This
is
for
that
contractor
yard.
J
If
you
recall
where
we
talked
about,
there
was
a
canal
lateral
on
the
backside
and
we
were
trying
to
figure
out
fencing
that
was
appropriate.
That
one
was
ultimately
approved.
That
was
probably
one
of
the
simpler
projects
of
the
night
and
then
finally,
the
dude
dewalt
hearings
or
appeals.
We
had
an
appeal
both
from
mr
hill,
the
neighbor
to
the
south,
as
well
as
the
dude
dewalt
owners.
J
Commissioner
burch
was
a
spotlight
in
the
testimony
there.
There
was
some
video
recording
of
your
discussion
at
the
hearing,
which
was
interesting
for
everybody,
but
that
was
a
very
long
discussion
as
well.
J
I
think
we
spent
nearly
two
hours
collecting
testimony
and
they
closed
the
hearing
didn't
deliberate,
so
now
they're
going
to
deliberate
next
week
at
their
open
business
meeting
and
come
with
a
decision.
J
The
appeal
staff's
recommendation
to
the
appeal
was
to
deny
and
uphold
planning
of
zoning
commission's
original
decision,
both
on
both
sides
and
the
due
dewalt
side
came
up
with
some
additional
conditions
that
they
might
accept.
If
that's
what
the
board
was
interested
in
doing
in
terms
of
limiting
crowd
size,
maybe
relocating
some
things
on
site.
But
again
nothing
was
deliberated
there.
So
we
don't
know
what
the
commission
thinks
of
that
yet,
but
we
will
find
out
next
week.
So
that's
it.
J
Yeah
and
we
are
actually
starting
the
process
of
looking
at
an
amendment
to
the
winery
section
of
our
code,
the
club
lodge
or
social
hall
section
of
our
code
and
the
draft
or
proposed
ag
retainment
section
of
our
code
because,
as
you
guys
have
been
through
a
lot
or
witnessed
a
lot
recently,
there's
a
lot
that
on
both
sides
that
people
want
to
try
to
work
out
there.
J
F
J
Yes,
yes,
in
fact,
today
we
received
appeals
from
both
the
business
owner
and
the
neighbors,
so
we'll
have.
B
J
Right
that
was
the
old
king
solomon
right
isn't.
It
is.
J
Trying
to
get
my
biblical
reference
correct,
but
yeah
so
we'll
see
we'll
see
where
that
one
ends
up.
But
both
sides
have
appealed,
and
we
have
that
scheduled
for
we're
trying
to
schedule
for
late
july,
depending.
J
What
we
do
is
combine
them
and
we
list
them
separately
on
the
agenda,
but
we
staff
presents
both
at
the
same
time.
We
give
each
appellant
15
minutes
back
to
back.
Then
we
open
it
up
for
general
testimony
at
three
minutes
each
and
then
each
appellate
gets
a
five
minute
rebuttal.
So
so
yeah,
that's
how
that
process
works
and
there's
one
staff
report.
Thank
goodness,
I
don't
have
to
write
two
staff
reports
for
those
appeals,
but
yeah.
J
D
I
don't
I
I
think
I'll
be
here
for
the
23rd
or,
if
I'm
president
will
probably
be
on
online,
so
probably
in
person,
yes-
and
also
I
just
was
gonna-
give
a
shout
out
to
my
son
henry
who
he
loves
watching
these
with
with
mom
on
youtube
on
the
tv.
B
D
J
Well,
I'm
happy
it's
not
your
last
yeah
and
I
guess
if
I
don't
get
to
do
this
in
person,
it's
been
a
real
pleasure
to
work
with
you.
D
Yeah,
no,
absolutely
it's
been.
It's
been
great.
It's
you
know.
I
was
on
the
eagles
mayor
youth
advisory
council.
When
I
was
like
14
or
15.
D
I
thought
it
was
the
coolest
thing
so
now
here
I
am,
you
know
that
many
years
later
doing
it
for
real
and
actually
voting,
and
and
it's
it's
it's
great-
I
enjoy
it
a
lot
and
you
know
all
the
commissioners
here
have
made
it
challenging
and-
and
you
know,
providing
different
perspective
and
insight
on
everything
and
just
makes
it
enjoyable
to
to
be
here
and
and
to
to
do
this
so
appreciate
it.
J
J
C
Kind
of
interesting
at
the
commissioner's
meeting,
commissioner
kenyon
is
always
trying
to
get
people
to
address
the
conditions
of.
E
C
J
Yeah
that
move
was
done.
You
know
they
intentionally
tabled
it
with.
You
know
we
want
more
information
on
these
specific
items,
and
so
they
kept
trying
to
steer
people's
testimony
towards
that
and
that
you
know
people
have
are
passionate
and
sometimes
it's
hard
to
keep
that
focus,
but
I
thought
they
did
a
really
good
job.
Considering
the
number
of
people
in
the
room.
J
Can
you
can
go
to
our
youtube
channel
it's
five
hours
and
like
58
minutes
long.
D
So
kind
of
a
similar
note
to
what
commissioner
wickstrom
was
saying
is
there
for
as
far
as
the
appeals
process
and-
and
I
guess,
there's
a
general
information
brochure
about
the
process
here,
specifically
at
data
county-
is
there
any
any
resource
like
that
on
the
on
the.
J
We
do
we
have
some,
so
you
know,
I
think
we
have
some
public
hearing
guidance
documents
to
talk
about
that.
Our
code
obviously
has
a
section
that
explains
how
an
appeal
works
and
sure
and
what
we
have
to
focus
on.
I
personally
am
not
aware
of
whether
or
not
we
have
something
like
that.
It
doesn't
sound.
Like
I
mean
it
sounds
like
a
great
idea.
J
When
I
worked
at
the
city
of
boise,
I
helped
them
draft
a
bunch
of
documents
like
that
like
how
do
you
what's
a
public
hearing
all
about,
and
how
do
you
participate,
and
why
is
it
important
to
pay
attention
to
that
notice?
We
mailed
you
things
like
that.
So
ada
county
does
have
some
of
that
stuff,
I'm
not
familiar.
If
we
have
one
for
the
appeals
process,
though.
J
We
know,
yes,
you
guys
are
called.
We
have
two.
I
think
we
do
have
two
in
july
yeah
they
shouldn't
be
as
big.
I
don't
think
as
some
of
the
other
ones
we've
had,
but
that
is
all
subject
to
things
getting
tabled,
or
you
know
so
I
mean
half
the
items
on
this
agenda
tonight
have
been
tabled
to
that
future
meeting
because
it
just
that's
kind
of
the
way
things
are
going
right
now,
but
yeah.
J
We
are
looking
at
two
hearings
in
july,
I'm
currently
only
at
one
hearing
in
august
for
both
groups
and
I'm
really
trying
hard
to
stand
my
ground
there,
but
we
keep
getting
these
big
appeals
that,
or
you
know,
big
items
that
are
gonna
take
three
to
four
hours
to
get
through
and
per
our
bylaws.
You
know
if
we're
trying
to
make
decisions
after
10
o'clock,
our
pilots
kind
of
say
we
shouldn't
be
doing
that
so
that
just
kind
of
pushes
everything
to
that
next
next
meeting
so
yeah
again,
we
owe
you
a
lot.
J
Thank
you
for
all
your
service.
It's
I
don't
know
we'll.
If
things
might
quiet
down,
I
can
tell
you
from
a
business
standpoint
our
department's,
the
busiest
it's
ever
been,
not
ever,
but
in
the
last
12
years
last
year
we
processed
over
100
more
applications
than
we
did
the
year
prior,
which
had
been
the
biggest
year
and
we're
on
pace
to
probably
process
50
to
100
more
this
year
than
we
did
last
year.
J
A
There's
a
chance
I
won't
be
at
the
second
meeting
in
july.
Okay,.
J
Yeah,
let
me
know
as
soon
as
you
know,
and
I
understand
summer
vacation
plans
and
everything
else
so
yeah.
If
you
please,
please
just
reach
out
to
me
and
at
bottom
line.
We
need
four
people
here
to
get
it
done.
If
we
lose
two
members,
we
only
need
three.
I
guess
but
yeah.
Just
just
keep
me
up
to
the
speed
and
I'll
work
try
to
achieve
quorum
as
much
as
I
as
much
as
possible.
So.