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A
The
Ada
County
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
meeting
the
extent
are
welcome
to
those
here
in
the
room
with
us,
as
well
as
anyone
online
we'll
begin.
The
meeting
this
evening
with
a
roll
call
of
the
Commissioners.
We
excuse,
commissioner
Littman,
who
had
a
pre-planned
absence.
So,
commissioner
Exton
here,
commissioner
ratslav.
B
A
C
Chairman
Birch
and
staff
person
really
quick
I,
just
wanted
to
say
that
even
though
I
wasn't
here
at
the
last
meeting,
I
have
reviewed
all
the
provided
materials
and
I
feel
confident
that
I'll
be
able
to
make
a
decision
tonight.
C
D
E
2023-00645
cumsp
it's
a
conditional
use
and
master
site
plan
application
for
a
club,
Lodge
or
social
hall
for
Farm
related
events.
The
application
was
heard
at
the
previous
hearing
on
July
13th,
and
some
of
you
were
not
in
attendance,
so
I
will
give
a
brief
overview
of
the
application
and
a
discussion
from
what
occurred
at
the
hearing
last
month,
along
with
some
information
on
some
additional
exhibits
that
were
submitted,
the
property
is
located
at
5600,
West,
Beacon
Light
Road
and
consists
of
approximately
20
acres
in
the
rural
urban
transition.
E
District
four
different
types
of
outdoor
only
events
are
proposed
with
the
original
proposal,
including
20
Farm
dinners,
20
Farm
nights,
a
pumpkin
patch
on
the
weekends
in
October
in
10
private
event,
rentals,
no
outdoor
lighting
is
proposed,
except
for
decorative
string.
Lightings
up
to
two
speakers
were
proposed
for
Amplified
sound
in
an
alternative
parking
plan
is
proposed
to
utilize
the
existing
Alfalfa
field
for
up
to
132
Vehicles,
three
Ada
parking
places
are
required
as
a
condition
of
approval.
E
E
We
received
standard
comments
from
responding
agencies
and
one
neighbor
commented
with
concerns
on
the
number
of
events:
noise,
alcohol,
outside
vendors
traffic
parking,
and
they
did
provide
some
requested
conditions
of
approval
during
the
July
13th
public
hearing,
the
commission
discussed
possible
impacts
on
the
neighbors
and
two
motions
were
brought
up
with
changes
to
the
conditions
of
approval.
The
first
motion
included
limiting
the
approval
to
10
vendors
at
events
allowing
beer
and
wine
only
for
alcohol
and
limiting
the
private
events
to
a
hundred
guests
maximum.
E
E
There
were
additional
comments
provided
by
the
applicant
and
these
included
the
following
proposals.
They
agreed
to
include
Ada
parking
comply
with
the
fire
department,
conditions
limit
alcohol
to
beer,
and
wine
only
allow
up
to
six
vendors
at
events
with
no
food
trucks,
and
they
propose
15,
Farm
dinners,
15
Farm
nights
and
five
private
events
limited
to
100
people,
pumpkin
patch
hours
from
12
P.M
to
8
pm,
and
one
amplified
speaker
aloud
for
a
solo
musician
for
no
more
than
five
events.
E
A
F
Hi
there,
my
name
is
Jordan
Miller
and
I
live
at
5600
West
Beacon,
Light,
Road
I
run
good
life
Farms,
alongside
my
husband,
Thomas
Smith
and
Thomas,
and
I
presented
our
application
to
some
of
you
guys
in
the
middle
of
July,
and
we
are
here
again
tonight
to
hopefully
find
a
middle
ground
that
balances
the
concerns
of
Ada
County,
our
neighbors
and
our
desire
to
persist
as
a
small
farm.
F
F
In
light
of
the
ever-changing
economic
development
of
the
greater
Eagle
Area,
our
goal
is
to
merely
grow
our
business
to
a
state
of
viability
such
that
we
are
able
to
preserve
our
farm
as
it
exists
today,
in
the
spirit
we're
seeking
an
event
center
classification.
Our
mission
is
to
present
visitors
with
a
chance
to
interact
with
a
working
farm
where
food
is
grown
and
harvested
and,
as
we've
outlined
in
our
application,
our
events
do
include
Farm
nights,
Farm
dinners
and
a
pumpkin
patch.
F
We
wish
to
maintain
our
property's
natural
role,
aesthetic
and,
as
such,
our
events
are
purposely
intimate,
they're,
family,
friendly
and
they're
low
maintenance.
So
the
goal
here
is
that
Thomas
and
I
can
run
them
ourselves.
We're
a
two-man
show
now
the
term
Event
Center
does
carry
certain
connotations,
but
what
takes
place
at
Good,
Life
Farms
are
small,
privately
held
events.
F
Attendees
only
have
access
to
our
outdoor
fields
and
a
portable
toilet
under
our
Farm
Stand
permit,
which
we've
had
for
the
past
several
years.
We
have
successfully
held
pumpkin
patches
every
October
for
three
full
years
and
we
have
generated
no
complaints
at
all
whatsoever
from
any
of
our
neighbors.
This
is
important
to
note,
because
this
is
the
largest
event
type
that
we
have
outlined
in
our
application
and
it's
gone
off
without
a
hitch
for
three
years
and
two,
the
great
Delight
of
our
local
community.
F
I
see
12
minutes,
so
I'm
gonna
keep
going
during
the
last
hearing
a
neighbor
complaint
regarding
our
Event
Center
application
did
spawn
an
ongoing
conversation
about
the
rise
in
local
advertainment
businesses,
and
there
were
some
concerns
about
the
potential
for
us
to
impact
our
neighbors
or
to
have
our
property
turned
into
something
unexpected
at
a
future
date
such
as
a
winery
or
another
higher
impact
Event
Center
type
and
we've
really
gone
to
Great
Lengths
in
our
application
to
outline
our
events,
our
event
types
in
in
very
explicit
detail,
so
that
they're
specific
to
our
property
as
it
exists
today
as
a
local
farm,
and
in
hearing
your
comments
from
the
last
hearing,
we
have
proactively
restricted
our
number
of
events
down
further
from
our
original
application
in
an
attempt
to
find
a
middle
ground.
F
I
do
ask
tonight
that
you
consider
our
application,
specifically
as
it
relates
to
our
unique
operation,
we're
a
working,
small-scale
vegetable
farm.
We
we
hand
grow
all
natural
produce.
We
we're
not
a
you
pick
flower
farm,
we're
not
a
winery,
so
we
we
do
ask
that
your
experiences
with
some
of
these
unrelated
Enterprises
not
be
held
against
our
own
distinct
circumstances,
and
that
you
know
you
can
instead
consider
the
evidence
that
we
have
compiled
in
our
application
to
reflect
the
nature
of
our
specific
property.
F
F
The
purpose
of
our
farm
is
to
feed
ourselves
our
loved
ones
and
any
neighbors
with
a
desire
to
forge
an
honest
relationship
with
their
food
and
where
it
comes
from
our
name
and
body
is
what
we
want
for
ourselves:
our
animals
and
members
of
our
community,
a
simple,
honest,
well-lived
life.
We
value
quality
over
quantity,
and
we
strive
to
provide
our
visitors
with
an
intimate
opportunity
to
understand
exactly
where
their
food
is
coming
from.
F
I
wanted
to
read
a
letter
from
one
of
our
neighbors
who
I'm
is
very
close
in
proximity
to
us,
they're,
actually
part
of
our
neighborhood
and
that's
Michael
and
Susie
Dustin.
They
couldn't
be
here
today,
but
I'm
happy
to
share
this
letter
with
you
guys
and
they
say
Greetings
as
neighbors
of
Jordan
Miller
and
Thomas
Smith
owners
of
good
life,
Farms
we're
writing
to
the
Ada
County
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
to
express
our
support
of
their
conditional
use.
Permit
application
for
the
following
reasons:
preserve
rural
Roots.
F
Previous
events
at
GoodLife
Farms
have
been
quite
low-key
and
in
spite
of
being
just
500
feet
from
their
property,
we
have
never
heard
any
noise
or
experience
any
traffic
issues.
We
believe
this
is
due
to
their
consideration
for
the
neighborhood
and
excellent
management
processes
for
addressing
noise
and
traffic.
F
Excellent
Communications
we're
proud
of
this
one.
We
found
Jordan,
Miller
and
Thomas
Smith
to
be
very
open
and
communicative
regarding
their
events,
we're
confident
that
they
would
be
willing
to
work
with
us
to
find
a
mutually
agreeable
solution
in
the
unlikely
event
that
one
of
their
events
was
causing
issues
in
our
neighborhood.
They
cherish
the
neighborhood
as
much
as
we
do
and
we
believe
that
they
would
be
willing
to
look
for
win-win
Solutions.
F
We
ask
that
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
support
good
life,
Farms
conditional
use
application
and
minimize
any
restrictions
that
would
lessen
the
viability
of
their
business
venture
regards
Michael
and
Susie
Dustin,
who
live
at
5300,
West,
Flicker
Lane
in
Eagle,
Idaho
and
then
I
do
just
have
one
short,
video
that
we
did
prepare
and
the
purpose
of
this
video
we
found
in
our
last
meeting
that
it
it
was
hard
to
kind
of
verbally
communicate
the
nature
of
our
farm
and
describe
layouts,
and
things
like
that.
F
So
what
we
endeavored
to
do
is
just
put
together
a
compilation,
video
that
shows
our
farm,
our
proximity
to
the
neighbor,
who
you
know,
had
a
complaint
in
the
last
meeting.
F
No
aspect
of
this
video
has
been
doctored
or
edited
in
any
way
with
regard
to
original
video
clips,
and
we
call
out
in
the
video
when
we
are
zooming
in
and
when
we
are
conducting
a
time
lapse.
So
with
that.
F
G
We
can
go
either
way
like
Luke's
gonna,
come
check
it
out.
So
maybe
we'll
okay,
give
it
a
minute
and
see
if
the
volume
will
work
and
it'll
allow
you
to
narrate.
If
that
doesn't
okay.
F
Leo
was
taken
at
the
edge
of
our
proposed
event
space
in
rotating
to
the
east.
You
can
see
the
parking
area
that
sits
along
your
fence
line
and
is
mowed
prior
to
event
attendance,
as
well
as
the
access
point
to
our
property
from
Lane
wood.
We
zoom
in
to
show
Kathy's
property
in
the
distance
which
is
separated
from
our
primary
event:
space
by
two
agricultural
pastures,
trees
and
irrigation,
ditch
and
a
significant
difference
in
elevation.
F
H
This
video,
we
are
capturing
the
proximity
of
the
McCarthy
property
to
another
subdivision
development
project
and
construction
equipment
that
will
soon
boast
72
more
homes.
As
you
can
see,
the
McCarthy's
front
door
is
40
yards
from
Beacon
Light
Road,
a
major
thoroughfare
with
cars
and
trucks
that
pass
by
all
day
long.
Our
events
are
a
drop
in
the
bucket
compared
to
this
heavy
ongoing
noise
and
massive
development.
F
H
F
A
E
A
I
I've
lived
there
for
32
years,
I've
known
Thomas,
since
probably
he
was
10
years
old.
He
grew
up
with
my
kids
and
he
was
always
a
good
kid
and
they've
been
a
good
influence
on
the
neighborhood.
Particularly
they
keep
the
weeds
down.
They
keep
it
neat
and
clean.
They
keep
the
weeds,
trimmed.
We've
got
some
development.
Lots
up
the
road
and
they're
not
I
mean
there's
noxious
weeds.
There's
skeleton
weed
all
over
the,
but
the
county
doesn't
enforce
that.
So
anyway,
I
am
in
full
favor
of
this
operation.
I
I
think
any
time
you
can
educate
the
public
and
give
them
a
chance
to
get
out
in
the
open
space
and
and
experience
agriculture
we're
better
off
for
it.
I
used
to
work
for
the
I
retired,
from
the
U.S
department
of
Agriculture
and
I
was
for
37
years.
I
was
an
investigator
and
traveled
the
United
States
doing
it
primarily
livestock
investigations,
and
you
learn
pretty
quick
just
how
much
the
general
public
doesn't
know
about
livestock
or
agriculture
in
general.
They
are
probably
too
General.
I
Most
people
are
two
generations
removed
from
the
farm
and
they
just
don't
have
an
idea
about
what
they're
dealing
with
and
anyway
Thomas
and
Jordan
have
done.
A
good
job.
I
think
they've
had
three
different
pumpkin
patch
deals
over
the
years
three
years
so
and
never
had
a
complaint.
For
me,
I
mean
my
house
is
125
feet
from
their
property
line.
I
Never
heard
music
never
heard
yelling
screaming,
and
you
know,
kids
out
of
control.
They've
done
a
real
good
job
with
it
and
I
don't
think
at
any
time.
There's
ever
been
more
than
20
cars,
they
Park
them
in
their
hay
field
and
I,
don't
think
there's
ever
been
more
than
20
at
a
time
there.
So
traffic
is
not
an
issue
like
I
mentioned.
We
have
a
development
on
that
road.
I
That's
under
construction,
so
those
aren't
regulated
in
any
way
and
I'm
not
suggesting
they
should
be,
but
to
regulate
these
guys
to
with
you
know,
15
cars
I
think
there's,
maybe
something
that's
out
of
out
of
kelder
there
any.
K
A
K
A
A
L
Yay,
okay,
Deb!
You
want
to
do
that
for
me:
okay,
Captain,
McCarthy,
5410,
West,
Eagle,
light
Road,
Eagle
Idaho.
We
live
within
300
feet
of
the
property
I
want
to
address
the
video,
and
some
of
the
things
have
been
said
right
away.
L
Video
to
me,
I
mean
I
live
there
and
it
does
not
show
where
exactly
our
property
is
when
they
took
the
video
that
was
taken
behind
trees
that
are
part
of
the
Miller's
place.
I
can
see
right
past
those
trees
onto
the
property
right.
Where
everything's
going
to
be
used
and
I
guarantee
you
from
my
house.
It
does
not
look
that
small.
Their
house
is
smaller
than
my
house
and
it's
bigger
than
that
so
from
my
house,
but
I'll
go
ahead
and
say
this
that
they
they've
said
that
they
already
filled.
L
Events
are
restricted
and
I.
Don't
I
do
not
feel
that
way
and
I
know.
My
husband
doesn't
feel
that
way:
there's
20
dinners,
20
Farm
nights
and
rentals,
and
then
there's
October,
that's
58
events
in
24
weeks.
That
is
more
than
event
every
week,
38
of
them
with
Amplified,
sound
and
possibly
alcohol,
only
eight
of
them
with
vendors.
The
vendors
will
promote
this
they've
already
said
they're
going
to
advertise
this.
L
L
So
this
is
a
total
different
story
and
no
one
wants
to
live
next
door
to
somebody
who
has
a
party
in
their
backyard
every
weekend.
Traffic
on
that
bacon
light
can
be
loud
at
times,
but
on
the
weekends
is
when
it's
quieter,
so
I
would
say
this
too.
The
high
school's
more
than
a
mile
from
us
and
I
can
hear
stuff
there
and
the
sound
carries
very
well
I
hear
stuff
at
Kirk,
Miller's
farm
and
their
Farm.
All
the
time
and
I
know
they
hear
stuff
from
ours.
L
It's
it's
there's
nothing
out
there
to
stop
the
sound
from
caring.
We
don't
have
other
houses,
I
I.
Just
would
like
to
see
this
toned
down
some.
You
can't
possibly
and
you're
setting
a
precedence
here.
If
you
give
them
all
this,
it's
only
right
to
allow
others
to
do
it
too,
and
it's
like.
When
does
it
stop?
It
will
get
to
be
so
much
going
on
in
our
area.
You'll
turn
it
into
an
industrial
Zone,
and
that's
not
what
we
want
either
and
that's
not
the
intent.
L
I
I
think
that
there
needs
to
be
some
toning
down
things
here,
and
it's
been
suggested
that
the
reason
we're
upset
about
this
has
to
do
with
the
cell
phone
tower.
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
tower.
This
will
not
affect
the
tower.
You
never
saw
me
in
any
of
those
meetings.
We
signed
something
turned
it
over
to
them
and
they
did
all
the
questions.
We
have
no
idea
who
even
spoke
up
against
it
and
we
don't
care.
L
This
is
a
separate
issue,
and
it's
and
it's
strictly
about
this
I
I,
don't
have
their
idea
is
a
great
one,
but
this
is
not
this.
Many
events
is
too
many
and
it
needs
to
be
toned
down.
A
A
K
A
M
So
for
the
you
showed
on
the
slide
presentation,
what
they're
willing
to
kind
of
meet
in
the
middle
on
I
I
think
it
was
like
the
third
or
fourth
side.
I
can't
remember,
but
can
I
just
go
back?
Can
we
just
go
back
and
see
that
real,
quick?
M
A
F
Okay,
so
you
know
in
Kathy's
statement
she
did
obviously
miss
the
proposed
events
that
we
came
back
with,
so
we
are
actively
working
to
compromise
at
this
point.
It
is
really
difficult
to
respond.
There
are
concerns
in
any
manner
other
than
to
just
say
that
they're
ungrounded
and
they
can
be
easily
disproved
Miss,
McCarthy's,
original
application
or
original
complaint
centered
around
traffic
concerns
on
Lane
Wood
Lane,
a
private
road
to
which
she
has
no
legal
right
to
use
or
access.
F
It's
not
connected
to
her
property
she's,
not
a
member
of
our
neighborhood.
You
know,
and
in
her
most
recent
letter,
she's
she's
since
pivoted,
to
concerns
about
the
sounds
of
car
doors
being
closed
and
things
being
dropped.
Despite
residing
a
mere
40
yards
from
a
major
throughway
that
Roars
consistently
with
traffic
and
construction
equipment-
and
this
is
all
weekend
long-
it
doesn't
lit
up
in
her
most
recent
letter
to
Ada
County.
F
She
went
so
far
as
to
raise
concerns
that
one
of
our
notice
letters
went
to
the
parents
of
an
owner
of
good
life
Farms.
This
is
verifiably
untrue.
Neither
of
our
parents
live
in
Ada
County.
They
don't
own
property
in
Ada
County,
so
my
best
improv,
my
best
possible
interpretation
is
that
she
assumed
that,
because
my
last
name
is
Miller
that
Kirk
and
I
are
somehow
related.
F
So
do
you
have
to
consider
the
concerns
of
neighbors?
Yes,
absolutely
we
we
believe
in
that
we
love
our
neighbors.
We
don't
want
to
be
of
impact
to
anyone,
and
that's
why
we
haven't
been
for
three
full
years.
Is
the
definition
of
adverse
impact
inherently
subjective?
Also,
yes,
but
you
do
not
have
to
entertain
blatantly
unfounded
statements
that
are
no
way
reflective
of
reality,
and
at
this
point
I
I
do
you
know
offer
for
anyone
who's
still
on
the
fence.
F
F
You
know,
with
the
exception
of
our
pumpkin
patch,
all
of
our
events
are
ticketed.
There
are
RSVPs
that
we
take
in
advance,
we
know
exactly
who
will
be
on
our
property
and
when-
and
there
is
no
in
unpredictable
influx
of
traffic
and
and
just
to
hit
it
home.
Farm
dinners,
for
example,
are
sold
to
couples
with
one
ticket
per
two
people
there's
a
Max
occupancy
of
16..
This
is
eight
total
cars.
This
is
a
small
intimate
event.
F
You
know
these
speculations
that
things
could
get
quite
large.
Well,
those
are
speculations
they're
they're,
not
reflective
of
the
self-imposed
restrictions
that
we
have
carefully
put
into
our
application.
We
have
reduced
our
number
of
proposed
events.
We
have
agreed
to
Aba
parking
spaces,
we've
agreed
to
a
commercial
fire
Hood.
We
are
willing
to
limit
alcohol
sales
to
beer
and
wine.
We
have
self
proposed
a
cap
on
the
number
of
vendors.
We've
said:
hey
no
food
trucks,
and
this
is
all
in
the
spirit
of
finding
a
middle
ground
that
ameliorates
the
concerns
of
our
neighbors.
F
Now
this
doesn't
change
the
fact
that
it's
a
seasonal
business
with
a
growing
operation,
that's
only
viable
from
May
to
October.
We
have
a
very
pressing
need
to
take
advantage
of
agritourism
to
supplement
our
income
from
direct
produce
sales,
and
you
know
I
want
to
be
clear
this.
This
is
a
business.
This
is
my
husband's
full-time
job
from
sun.
Up
to
some
down,
farming
is
brutal.
It
is
thankless
and
due
to
the
unpredictable
unpredictability
of
the
seasons,
it
is
full
of
financial
losses.
F
The
events
that
we
have
outlined
are
they're
not
arbitrary
and
they're,
not
excessive
they're
in
direct
correlation
to
our
budgetary
forecasts,
for
what
we
need
to
survive
as
a
small
business
it
you
know
at
one
point
in
the
last
hearing,
someone
did
mention
that
our
proposed
Farm
events
might
change
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
as
a
resident
of
the
formerly
agrarian
Eagle
Idaho.
You
know
I
just
have
to
say
that
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
was
altered
a
long
time
ago.
A
sea
of
subdivisions
have
absolutely
obliterated.
The
last
remaining
operational
Farmland
in
our
community.
F
F
If
that's
not
changing,
then
the
nature
of
the
neighborhood,
you
know,
I,
don't
know
what
what
is
we
are
doing,
what
we
can
here
to
preserve
an
open
rural
landscape?
No
one
wants
to
watch
another
farmer
forced
to
sell
their
land
to
a
subdivision
because
they
can
no
longer
make
money
on
their
Farm.
But
at
this
point
it's
not
been
very
easy.
A
A
B
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
doing
the
video
I
appreciate
that,
of
course,
what
I
wanted
to
know
was
is
because
I
wasn't
here
and
I've
read
through
the
the
the
the
documentation,
but
I
can't
remember
at
this
time.
Are
you
parking
in
the
hay
field?
Is
that
where
you're
having
everybody
Park
yeah.
F
So
our
property
runs
along
Lane,
Wood
Lane,
it's
a
private
road
to
which
only
a
handful
of
neighbors
have
access
in
our
original
application.
We
submitted
our
you
know
basically
permit
to
use
the
road
from
our
neighbors
they're.
In
agreement
with
our
road
maintenance
agreement.
F
People
come
up
Lynnwood.
We
have
an
Ingress
point
which
was
shown
in
the
video
it's
a
little
dirt
road,
there's
a
gate.
You
can
drive
through
the
fence,
you
can
drive
onto
the
Alfalfa
field
and
then
we
actually
also
have
another
Gap
in
the
fence
where
people
can
exit.
So
it's
a
really
beautiful
little
circular
Loop
of
of
you
know,
Ingress
egress,
no
traffic,
no
backup,
and
there
are
parking
exclusive,
be
on
our
property.
We
mow
down
the
Alfalfa
field.
It's
just
like
parking
in
a
one.
Okay,.
M
A
M
F
Nothing:
okay,
yes
and
I
do
want
to
say
when
we
submitted
our
original
application.
You
know
we
set
up
to
132
parking
spaces,
not
because
that's
what
we
want
necessarily
or
that
you
know
we
need
to
have
130
cars.
We
just
wanted
to
show
how
much
space
that
we
actually
have
here
so
that
there
were
no
questions
or
concerns
about
whether
or
not
there
would
be
traffic
or
a
backup
or
people
parking
on
Lane
wood.
We
we
have,
you
know
10,
full
Acres
of
of
alfalfa
field
where
people
can
park
their
cars.
A
Other
questions
from
us,
Miller,
Ms,
Miller
I,
do
have
a
couple
questions
for
you
and
I'll
go
ahead
and
ask
them
now
because
they
will
come
up
after
we
close
the
public
portion
of
the
meeting
and
so
I
want
you
to
have
an
opportunity
to
respond.
A
difference
between
the
events
that
you've
had
in
the
past
and
the
events
that
are
going
to
be
conducted
in
the
future
will
be
future.
A
F
Actions
that
we
have
outlined
for
each
event,
type
and
I
believe
that
we
kept
it
or
at
either
eight
or
nine
PM
for
each
of
the
events
chairman.
E
A
F
Yeah
so
so
for
original
I
know
I'm,
so
sorry
Corey,
so
we.
This
is
our
original
time
that
we
maintain,
as
as
part
of
our
proposal
for
Farm
dinners
and
farm
nights,
five
to
nine
PM
for
the
pumpkin
patch
in
particular,
which
is
a
family
event.
In
the
last
meeting.
There
was
a
healthy
discussion
about
when
that
should
end.
F
A
F
Yeah
so
Thursdays
and
Fridays
I
think
we
send
Farm
night
s,
Thursdays,
Fridays
and
Saturdays
for
days
for
nurse
and
with
regard
to
alcohol.
Just
to
you
know
explain
that,
for
our
farm
dinner
is
in
our
farm
nights,
because
those
are
ticketed.
Events
like
the
way
our
farm
nights
would
work.
It's
that
you
know
you
and
your
partner
buy
a
ticket
come
to
the
farm.
F
You
have
a
bottle
of
wine,
it's
not
freewheeling
and
dealing
one-off
alcohol
sales,
and
you
know,
and
just
to
underscore
and
I
think
I
talked
about
this
at
the
last
meeting.
This
is
just
my
husband
and
I.
We
we're
on
an
operational
Farm.
We
can't
have
people
going
nuts
on
our
property,
you
know
because
we
don't
want
any
of
our
vegetables
or
or
fruits
to
be
be
damaged.
F
A
C
Based
upon
the
findings
of
fact
and
conclusions
of
a
lot
contained
here
and
in
the
testimony
from
the
public
hearing,
I
moved
to
approve
project,
two
zero,
two:
three:
zero:
zero:
six,
four
five
CU
MSP,
subject
to
the
con
conditions
of
approval
attached,
as
exhibit
a
with
the
following
modifications,
adherence
to
the
Ada
parking
compromise
or
including
the
Ada
parking
agreeing
with
the
fire
department
requirements
limiting
the
alcohol
to
beer
and
wine.
Only
six
vendors
allowed
with
no
food
trucks
as
part
of
that
15,
Farm
dinners
and
15
Farm
nights.
C
A
C
Yeah
I
mean
to
me
this
does
seem
very
low
impact
compared
to
some
other
things.
You've,
you
know
reviewed
here,
especially
in
that
area
of
Ada
County.
You
know
all
these
events
are,
very
you
know
smaller
scale.
Things
like
that.
C
You
know.
I
do
think
this.
The
proposed
compromise
here
really
shows
the
willingness
of
the
applicant
to
make
these
compromises
to
try
and
please
all
the
neighbors
involved-
and
you
know,
I,
do
think.
Adding
this
to
your
review
period
is
something
we've
done
specifically
a
lot
in
this
area
with
the
different
Wineries
and
the
other.
C
You
know
event
Social,
Hall
style
designations,
to
see
how
they're
going
things
like
that,
especially
when
there
are
concerned
neighbors,
so
I
think
having
this
to
your
review
period
to
have
that
kind
of
built-in
check-in
period
with
this
project
will
be
very
worthwhile
to
see.
You
know
how
things
are
going.
Are
there
things
that
aren't
working
with
the
neighbors
that
we
can
then
address
at
that
time,
either
through
adding
new
conditions
or
potentially
easing
back
on
some?
At
that
point,.
M
On
top
of
everything
that
commissioner
action
said,
which
I
agree
with
wholeheartedly
this,
this
Farm
has
previously
had
established
pumpkin
patches
and
that's
their
largest
event.
M
Even
with
this
new,
these
new
additions,
I
I,
really
appreciate
their
willingness
to
come
to
a
compromise,
because
there
was
pretty
significant
debate,
both
amongst
Commissioners,
as
well
as
with
people
giving
testimony
so
them
coming
back
well
and
coming
forward
willingly
to
make
those
adjustments
speaks
volumes,
in
my
opinion,
as
well
as
the
additional
neighborhood
support
that
we
that
they
brought
the
gentleman
that
spoke
earlier,
as
well
as
the
letter
that
that
also
is
weighs
pretty
heavily
on
my
opinion
of
this
moving
forward
with
this
and
I
somewhat
disagree
with
the
idea
that
this
is
going
to
suddenly
become
an
industrial
Zone
that
we're
suddenly
going
to
be
turning
this
into
some
large-scale
operation.
M
I
feel
like
it's
exactly
the
opposite
of
that.
We're
preserving
the
agricultural
scene
in
that
in
in
that
area,
but
making
it
more
viable
for
business.
For
someone
to
use
to
have
that
as
their
primary
means
of
income,
rather
than
it
becoming
a
subdivision
and
such
so
I
agree.
I
I
I'm
I'm,
going
to
be
approved,
voting
to
approve
this
and
yeah.
That's
it.
Thank.
B
I
also
want
to
thank
the
applicant
for
taking
the
time
to
really
do
a
thorough
presentation.
We
always
appreciate
video,
so
thank
you
very
much
I
like
the
fact
that
they're
ticketed
events,
so
you
know
exactly
how
many
people
are
going
to
be
coming
in
and
you
can
kind
of
control
that
time
and
traffic
and
the
fact
that
you
have
one
entry
point
and
one
exit
Point
really
is
beneficial
to
the
traffic
that
goes
through
that
area
and
ease
of
Ingress
and
egress.
B
That's
that's
very
nice
I
like
that
I,
don't
see
a
problem
with
supplementing
your
income
in
this
manner
and
there
are
going
to
be
a
lot
of
homes
that
are
going
to
be
built
in
that
area.
High
density
homes-
and
you
know
we
really
have
to
think
about
what
kids
are
exposed
to
and
what
opportunities
we
give
our
neighbors
and
and
I
just
appreciate
what
you
guys
are
doing.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
A
I
I
will
just
add
that
I,
don't
discount
at
all
the
testimony
of
Ms
McCarthy
I,
understand
that
she
may
hear
about
some
of
these
events
when
they're
going
on,
and
yet
it
is
exactly,
as
has
been
said
by
the
air
Commissioners,
the
applicant
was
grilled
during
the
meeting
on
July.
They
have
come
back
with
substantial
compromises
and,
and
my
feeling
is,
this-
is
going.
A
G
So
if
you'd
entertain
staff
and
what
we
might
add
to
that
condition
and
I
guess,
we
could
ask
commissioner
exit
and
Scott
to
accept
this
if
you
know
as
a
as
a
commission,
but
we
will
be
noticing
similar
to
how
we've
noticed
for
this
we'll
be
scheduling
it
at
hearing
it'll
be
heard
before
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
and
just
to
clarify
it's
not
to
revoke
the
use
but
to
potentially
modify
or
even
remove
conditions
in
the
event
you
guys
deem
that
appropriate.
Is
that
correct,
yeah?
G
That's
exactly
what
I
was
thinking
yeah,
okay,
we
just
haven't
had
that
level
of
clarity,
and
we've
got
a
few
of
these
coming
up
and
staff's
been
trying
to
figure
out
what
that
review
actually
looks
like
so
just
wanted
to
spell
it
out
with
with
all
of
you
and
we'll
add
it
to
the
conditions
as
well.
So
thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Watson,
all
right,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
that's
been
made.
Please
say:
aye
aye,
I
also
say
aye.
Anyone
opposed,
say,
nay,
all
right.
The
motion
carries.
We
thank
the
applicant
very
much
all
right.
We're
ready
to
move
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda,
which
is
a
motion
to
table
number
two:
zero:
two:
three:
zero
one:
zero,
six
zero-zc
d,
a
dash
s,
Dash,
Vac,
p,
r
and
so
I
think
what
we're
looking
for
is
a
motion
to
table
this
item.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,.
M
20230106-Zc-D-A-S-Vac
Dash
PR
again
to
the
September
14th
funding
Zone.
Thank.
A
A
G
Thank
you.
So
the
item
before
you
is
a
comprehensive
plan
text
Amendment,
Ada
County
development
services
is
the
applicant
on
this
item.
The
purpose
of
the
text
amendment
is
to
amend
appendix
E3,
which
is
the
Cuna
rule,
fire
district
impact,
fee
study
and
capital
Improvement
plan
of
our
2025
Ada
County
comprehensive
plan.
G
Just
to
let
you
know
we're
already
collecting
an
impact
fee
for
kunifire,
but
they've
gone
through
a
new
study
to
figure
out
what
they
actually
need
for
the
cost
of
services
based
on
growth
and
other
things
over
the
next
10
years,
and
so
that
fee
is
increasing.
So
that
is
the
purpose
of
this
is
to
kind
of
sync
up
what
they
determined
they
need
in
terms
of
impact
fee
and
what
we're
actually
collecting
for
them.
And
so
this
is
a
general
overview
of
of
what
the
fee
is.
G
G
So
it's
growth
within
their
District,
as
which
includes
the
city
limits,
and
so
I
won't
get
into
the
nitty-gritty
details
there,
but
the
new
fee
is
listed
below
and
what
we're
seeing
here
is
about
100
increase
actually
in
the
existing
fee
as
it
exists
today,
and
what
they're
proposing
again
based
on
growth
based
on
their
needs
for
new
Capital
Improvements,
which
include
such
things
as
fire
stations,
fire
trucks,
anything
that
is
capital,
not
operational
expenses.
G
G
G
So
you
can
actually
see
there's
a
significant
amount
of
property
that
is
in
Ada,
County
still
served
by
cunifire,
so
it
you
know,
is
in
our
interest
to
help
them
collect
this
fee
as
well,
because
a
lot
of
the
projects
you
see
and
the
development
proposals
that
we
review
rely
on
kunifier
to
effectively
serve
them
just
an
overview
of
the
process.
Here
sorry
I've
got
my
little
speaker
box.
That's
blocking
part
of
my
text.
G
So
initially
we
a
cuneifier,
brought
this
to
our
Ada
County
development
infected
advisory
committee
and
that
group,
which
their
purpose
is
to
review
and
recommend
approval
or
denial
of
these
Capital.
Improvement
studies
recommended
approval
of
this
in
November
of
2022,
shortly
after
cunifier,
actually
had
the
city
of
kuna
adopt
this
for
them
and
came
to
our
attention
that
we
had
yet
to
adopt
a
form
as
well,
so
we're
again
trying
to
parallel.
G
What's
occurring
inside
city
limits
to
also
be
occurring
outside
of
city
limits
to
basically
help
them
collect
the
fees
they
need
in
order
to
grow
the
way
that
they
need
to
we
notified
departments
and
outside
agencies
in
June
of
this
year,
I
also
send
a
public
service
announcement
to
the
general
public,
published
two
legals
in
the
paper
and
tonight
we're
before
you
at
a
public
hearing.
So
this
is
all
required
by
state
code
for
any
comprehensive
plan
text
Amendment
and
the
next
stop,
for
this
will
be
the
Ada
County
Board
of
County
Commissioners.
G
In
terms
of
responses
really
nothing,
the
building
official
had
no
objection
to
the
project
and
our
Senior
Community
Regional
planner
Brent
Moore,
identified
that
this
is
in
support
of
the
Q.
A
conference
plan
that
we
have
adopted
into
our
own
comprehensive
plan
and
I
can
go
into
the
details
of
that
if
you
like,
but
basically
we
need
fire
service
in
order
to
allow
a
community
to
grow.
Without
it,
it's
not
a
very
safe
situation.
We
shouldn't
probably
be
approving
things.
G
So,
in
the
end,
we're
reckon
we're
asking
you
to
Recon
recommend
approval
of
this
item
to
our
board
and
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
A
G
G
G
What
their
act
asking
to
do
is
break
that
non-residential
fee
out
into
specific
non-residential
uses
like
industrial,
retail
and
office,
because
they've
found
there's
a
different
level
of
demand
based
on
the
type
of
use
so,
but
in
in
the
end,
if
you
were
to
kind
of
average
that
it
would
be
about
100
increase
over
what's
currently
being
collected
for
the
non-residential
fee.
Okay,
thank.
B
Do
you
know
how
much,
how
many
homes
or
the
how
what's
the
population
growth
in
Cuna
from
even
just
three
four
years
ago,.
G
I,
wouldn't
I
can't
give
you
a
hard
number
I
can
tell
you
they're,
expecting
about
25
000,
more
people
between
2021
and
2031,
and
that's
you
know,
that's
would
be
more
than
50
of
the
existing
population
in
the
area.
So
it's
a
significant
it's.
That
area
is
growing
very
fast.
Okay,.
A
C
Chairman
Birch,
commissioner
Axton,
based
on
the
findings
of
fact
and
conclusions
of
law
contained
herein
and
the
testimony
from
the
public
hearing.
I
recommend
I
move
to
recommend
approval
of
project;
two
zero;
two
three
zero
one:
three
one:
four
CPA
to
the
board
of
accounting
Commissioners
for
the
proposed
amendment
to
the
Ada
County
2025,
comprehensive
plan.
A
A
N
Thank
you,
chairman
Birch.
Yes,
application.
N
2023-01044-S
is
before
you,
this
is
bull.
The
state
subdivision
applicant
is
Morgan
bolderman.
We
have
a
vicinity
map
here.
It
just
shows
General
Area
Properties,
located
just
south
of
the
Columbia
Road
and
Cloverdale
Road
intersection,
which
is
in
just
Southwest
of
Boise
area
kind
of
southeast
of
Meridian
and
Northeast
of
kuna,
it's
kind
of
in
right
in
the
Target
Zone
there
of
between
all
the
different
impact
areas.
N
Here's
the
aerial
map
for
you.
So
this
is
a
preliminary
Platt
application
for
a
two
lot
subdivision.
A
property
is
addressed
at
7985,
South
Cloverdale
Road
contains
4.79
acres
in
the
estate,
residential
r
or
R1
District
of
the
applicant
is
requesting
the
property
be
split
into
two
buildable
rural
residential
lots.
Both
Lots
will
be
a
minimum
of
one
acre
to
meet
the
estate
residential
lot
size
minimum.
Each
slot
will
also
have
at
least
100
feet
of
roadway
Frontage
along
Cloverdale
Road.
N
No
new
roads
are
proposed
and
a
new
driveway
approach
will
be
necessary
for
for
lot
two
to
build
a
residence
in
the
future.
A
lot
one
will
contain
the
existing
residence
and
accessory
structures
on
the
property.
So
we
got
a
lot
one
here
kind
of
wraps
around
and
an
L
here,
and
then
we
have
lot
two
out
front.
N
A
10,
Mile
Creek
runs
along
the
western
property
line
and,
as
noted
on,
the
preliminary
plot
will
remain
in
100
foot
wide
drainage,
easement.
The
property
is
also
located
within
Zone
AE
of
the
flood
Hazard
overlay
districts.
Therefore,
any
future
development
or
construction
of
future
homes.
You
know
accessory
buildings.
Those
are
all
going
to
require
flood
development
application
prior
to
work.
Commencing.
We've
also
made
it
a
condition
of
approval
that
they
include
the
flood,
Hazard
Zone
and
all
the
overlay
District
information
on
the
the
final
plat
when
they
bring
that
before
the
board.
N
The
subdivision
complies
with
chapter
8-6
of
the
80
County
codes.
Since
the
proposed
laws
comply
with
the
dimensional
stands
for
the
estate
residential
districts,
the
property
is
an
unincorporated
County.
It's
not
within
an
impact
area.
Therefore,
Ada
County
comprehensive
plan
is
the
applicable
comp
plan.
As
I
mentioned.
This
is
kind
of
in
no
man's
land
here
in
terms
of
the
impact
areas
they
all
go
around
it
so
because
of
that,
this
property
is
allowed
to
be
on
a
well
and
septic.
N
N
N
A
O
Hi
there
Morgan
balderman
I'm
at
7985,
South
Cloverdale
Road
in
Boise
I'm,
the
owner
of
the
property.
First
of
all,
Connor
Thank,
you
for
Patiently
answering
all
my
questions
through
this
process,
which
have
been
many
many
emails.
So
I
also
wanted
to
say
sitting
through
that
last
half
hour.
So
just
really
gave
me
a
fresh
appreciation
for
how
you
guys
have
to
balance
the
growth
with
what
I'll
call
the
spirit
of
the
county
right.
O
It's
in
that
same
spirit
that
I'm
proposing
this
I
am
on
a
farm
and
I
too,
have
felt
the
effects
of
subdivisions
kind
of
encroaching
from
every
direction
and
the
increased
traffic.
What
I'm
proposing
simply
is
I
I'm
on
just
under
five
acres.
I,
just
don't
use
a
lot
of
the
acreage
and
I
know,
there's
so
many
families
out
there.
O
Yeah,
you
know
I
can't
say
that
there
wasn't
a
little
hint
of
the
namesake
in
there.
Thank.
A
A
M
Just
very
quickly,
this
is
pretty
straightforward.
I
think
spinning
this
off
makes
makes
sense.
There
are
people
that
want
to
have
additional
acreage.
It's
not
like
he's
trying
to
parcel
this
out
into
a
10th,
acre
subdivision
it
just
it
still
fits
what's
going
on
there
and
I
have
no
problem
with
it.
So
I
recommend
approval.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Any
other
Commissioners
have
any
comments,
looks
like
we're
good,
so
I
think
we're
ready
for
a
vote.
All
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
that's
been
made,
please
say:
aye
aye,
I
also
say
aye
and
there's
no
one
opposed.
So
it
looks
like
we're.
Good,
bold
Estates
will
happen
all
right.
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
item
number.
N
N
N
This
is
the
site
plan.
We
got
kind
of
split
in
half
here,
since
it
was
very
long
and
skinny
as
you
can
see
that
the
property
runs
north
south,
so
site
plan
kind
of
splits
it
in
half.
So
the
southern
portion
of
is
on
the
left
here.
Overland
Road
down
is
down
here
at
the
bottom,
then
the
northern
half
of
the
site
plan
is
on
the
right.
N
So
a
a
landscaping
has
applied
to
operate
the
the
facility,
the
applicant
stated
in
their
detail
letter
that
their
plan
is
to
grow
and
sell
plants
for
transplanting
budding
grafting
or
layering
on
the
property.
There
will
be
stocks
for
restoration,
Wetland
mitigation
or
conservation,
and
then
environmental
landscaping
for
Gardens
homes,
businesses,
parks
and
other
Landscapes.
N
N
There
is
an
existing
dwelling.
It's
if
you
can
see
my
cursor
it's
here
on
the
on
the
left.
A
portion
of
that
dwelling
is
going
to
be
converted
into
an
office
760
square
feet
of
it
approximately
will
be
converted
to
office
space.
There
is
a
building
permit
that
will
be
required
as
part
of
the
conditions
for
the
change
in
in
occupancy.
For
that
that
portion
of
the
structure,
the
rest
is
to
remain
as
the
dwelling
with
the
garage.
N
No
new
structures
are
proposed
for
the
use,
but
there
is
a
parking
area.
That's
going
to
be
included,
you
can
see
it
in
the
middle
there's
21
spaces
that
are
going
to
be
provided,
two
of
which
will
be
Ada
pave
parking
spaces.
The
parking
area
will
allow
for
employees
and
I'm,
sorry
we'll
allow
for
employees
to
park
and
work
on
the
site.
In
addition,
the
parking
area
will
allow
for
nine
commercial
trucks
to
park
on
the
site,
the
contractor's
yard.
So,
as
I
stated,
there's
a
Wholesale,
Nursery
use
and
a
contractor's
yard
use.
N
N
Actually,
I'm
not
going
to
go
there.
Yet
sorry,
operations
for
this
facility
are
proposed
to
be
year-round
Monday
through
Friday
eight
to
five
there's
not
going
to
be
any
public
permitted
to
come
on
here
like
no,
you
know
patrons,
can
come
and
just
buy
materials,
specifically
the
owner
operators
only
permitted
to
propagate
grow,
store
and
or
package
for
commercial
sale
to
then
sell
Goods
in
large
quantities
to
a
limited
number
of
buyers.
N
So
that's
why
we
have
at
a
Wholesale
Nursery
if
it
was
allowed
to
have
other
folks
on
it,
be
a
retail
industry.
But
this
is
specifically
wholesale.
The
site
will
be
serviced
by
existing
well
and
septic.
There
was
a
natural
features,
analysis
that
was
done.
It
did
not
indicate
any
severe
detriment
to
the
natural
features
of
the
site.
A
parking
plan
meets
the
Ada
County
code,
applicant
included
a
landscaping
plan,
and
they
revised
that
before
we
got
to
you
tonight
the
point
totals
meet
the
requirements
there,
so
so
they're
good
on
the
Landscaping
plan.
N
There
are
some
lights,
I,
don't
know
if
they're
proposed
or
currently
on
the
site,
but
there's
I
believe
five
different
lights,
they're
about
20
feet
tall
in
height,
because
those
are
proposed.
They
will
have
to
submit
a
lighting
plan
as
a
condition
of
approval,
but
that
that's
a
deferred
submittal
that
they
can
submit
after
tonight.
N
Let's
see
here.
Lastly,
if
I
go
forward
the
properties
within
meridian's
impact
area,
it's
their
future
land
use
map,
we're
looking
at
it
defines
areas
low
density,
residential,
which
is
in
compliance
with
this.
The
site
and
the
use
the
last
point
I
will
make
is
we
do
have
a
situation
with
the
property
boundary,
so
what
Ada
County
development
services?
N
What
we
see
as
the
property
as
it
sits
today,
is
this
red
line,
so
it
actually
Cuts
part
of
the
the
structure
here
and
off
and
we
actually
see
it
on
the
other
property,
the
applicant
and
the
folks
of
the
East.
They
did
a
record
of
survey,
they
went
ahead
and
you
know
had
that
recorded
without
going
through
the
proper
Avenues
to
get
that
approved
with
our
office.
N
So
it
is
a
condition
of
approval
that
they
formalize
this
to
make
it
look
like
they
want
to
up
here
in
the
the
northeast
corner,
where
they
have
both
of
those
structures
on
this
property.
So
that
is
a
condition
of
approval.
The
applicant
is
working
with
property
to
the
east
to
get
that
submitted
to
our
office.
N
That
is
that
one
of
those
Key
conditions
that
I
mentioned
it's
up
here
at
the
top
see
the
the
other
ones
is
that
the
applicant
shot
erect
defense
to
ensure
that
outdoor
storage
area
for
commercial
vehicle
is
screened
year
round.
That
would
just
need
to
be
around
that
where
the
commercial
trucks
are
parked,
the
applicant
shall
submit
a
land
use
change
application
to
the
Nampa
and
Meridian
Irrigation
District
prior
to
any
development.
N
They
noted
that
there
that
there
are
some
existing
structures
here
that
are
potentially
encroaching
into
their
their
easement
for
the
the
canal,
so
they're
going
to
have
to
get
approval
from
Nampa
and
Meridian
Irrigation
District.
Our
County
engineer
noted
that
a
bur
must
be
placed
along
the
ridenbach
canal
as
well
to
prevent
stormwater
runoff
from
contributing
to
that
Canal.
So
they
would
have
to
work
with
the
Irrigation
District
to
make
sure
that
that's
all
good
and
meets
the
the
setback
from
the
easement
there
and
then.
N
Lastly,
the
conditional
use
permit
for
the
contractor's
yard
has
to
re
after
five
years.
It
expires,
so
they
would
have
to
come
back
and
go
through
this
process
again
if
they
want
the
commercial
vehicles
to
stay
on
the
site,
but
the
Wholesale
Nursery.
If
you
did
approve
it
tonight,
it
would
run
in
perpetuity
with
the
property.
N
A
N
I
I'm
not
sure
of
I,
do
know
that
the
site
is
currently
being
its
acts
as
a
contractor's
yard
or
Wholesale
Nursery
today.
So
there
are
some.
You
can
see
here
that
there's
work
that
has
been
done
on
the
side
already
so,
but
as
to
who
is
operating
or
how
long
they've
been
owned.
You
know
how
long
they've
owned
the
property
I'm,
not
not
sure
of.
A
G
A
B
B
A
B
I
think
we've
put
enough
conditions
on
here
in
exhibit
a
which
looks
like
about
three
full
pages.
That
should
make
sure
that
anybody
who
tries
to
develop
this
area
further
would
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
conditions,
and
it
would
probably
look
very
nice
after
they
got
done.
B
Also
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
we
got
a
report
from
achd
that
this
development
is
estimated
to
generate
no
additional
vehicle
trips
per
day
and
the
Boise
project
board
of
control
also
issued
a
report
talking
about
the
riddenball
canal,
and
we
know
how
that
important.
That
is,
for
that
Farmland
area
after
or
below,
where
that
runs
to
so
I.
Think
that,
for
these
reasons,
I
think
it
should
be
approved.
C
One
thing
I
just
appreciate
is
the
little
bit
of
cleanup-
that's
happening
with
this
as
well,
where
it's
conditioned
to
get
the
property
boundaries
like
formally
adjusted,
and
if
that
does
not
work
out,
then
that
obviously
impacts
the
actual
conditions
of
approval
as
well.
So
there
is
kind
of
that
incentive
for
the
follow
through,
even
though
the
applicant
is
not
here
tonight.
Okay,.
A
E
The
current
zoning
of
the
property
is
Rule
preservation
which
the
applicant
has
proposed
to
change
to
General
industrial.
The
purpose
of
the
general
industrial
district
is
to
encourage
heavy
Industrial
Development
by
providing
and
protecting
an
environment
for
such
development
subject
to
standards
that
protect
public
health
safety
and
Welfare,
the
rezone
to
an
industrial
zone
is
required
to
allow
for
the
proposed
development
of
a
sawmill.
For
railroad
ties,
The
Sawmill
will
cut,
prepare
tree
and
store
railroad
ties
that
will
be
used
by
Union
Pacific
Railroad.
E
The
ties
would
also
be
transported
via
the
rail
as
conditioned
the
applicant
will
be
required
to
submit
an
additional
detailed
parking
plan
that
shows
at
least
one
parking
space
for
every
two
employees
that
will
be
on
site
at
a
time.
Here's
a
larger
aerial
view
of
the
site
plan.
The
original
larger
site
plan
view
that
was
submitted
in
the
staff
report
included
a
previously
submitted
layout.
So
this
shows
the
updated
layout
that
you
had
seen
as
up
close
as
a
larger
View.
E
There
are
some
residential
uses
in
the
area.
There
are
two
residential
locations
that
are
over
a
thousand
feet
from
the
subject:
property
and
over
2500
feet
from
the
site
of
the
facility
on
the
property.
There's
also
another
residential
use,
commonly
known
as
the
potato
Airbnb
that
one's
a
little
bit
closer,
but
still
approximately
600
feet
from
the
property
line
and
over
2
000
feet
from
the
side
of
the
facility
on
the
property
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
utilize
well
in
septic
for
the
application.
E
Additional
comments
include
the
Fire
Marshal's
comments
requiring
dust
collection
systems
for
the
mill
fire
flow,
which
may
require
water
tanks
automatic
sprinklers.
In
some
of
the
buildings,
in
a
comprehensive
review
with
the
submittal
of
the
building
plans,
the
County
engineer
will
require
a
drainage
plan.
Details
for
the
products
that
are
used
in
the
treatment
of
the
ties
and
the
applicant
must
adhere
to
the
state
requirements
for
hazardous
material,
storage
and
Spills
and
management
of
activities
with
potential
to
degrade
the
aquifer.
We
currently
have
not
received
a
report
from
achd
on
any
traffic
impacts.
E
E
However,
that
part
of
the
application
will
be
decided
on
by
the
board
of
County
Commissioners
with
that
staff
is
finding
that
the
application
complies
with
the
Ada
County
comprehensive
plan
and
the
Ada
County
code
and
recommends
approval
of
the
comprehensive
plan
map,
Amendment
zoning
ordinance
map,
Amendment,
conditional
use
and
master
site
plan
and
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
The.
A
Commissioners
have
any
questions
for
staff.
I
was
branding.
This
may
be
more
appropriate
to
ask
of
the
applicant.
You
tell
me
the
Idaho,
Fish
and
Game
raised
concerns
about
the
manner
of
the
application
of
the
preservative
on
the
railroad
ties,
whether
or
not
it
would
be
aerosol
there's
also.
What
is
it?
The
slick,
spot,
pepper
grass
I
can't
remember
what
it
is,
the
the
threatened
species?
That's
there
then
so
do
you
have
any
information
about
how
the
preservative
is
to
be
applied
and
anything
about
the
concerns
of
Idaho,
Fish
and
Game.
E
Chairman
I
do
not
have
information
on
how
the
treatment
is
applied
to
the
ties
that
Idaho,
Fish
and
Game
did
kind
of
suggest
that
the
applicant
needs
to
work
with
I
believe
U.S
fish
and
wildlife
to
receive
any
additional
approvals
that
may
be
required
and
I
have,
that
included
as
a
condition
of
approval.
Okay,.
A
J
You
very
much
I
get
and
send
quiet,
so
thank
you,
I'd
like
to
start
by
thanking
the
staff
for
all
of
their
help
on
this
project.
Corey
Zach,
Ben,
Richard,
Beck
and
everyone
has
just
been
extremely
helpful
through
this
process.
I
have
hounded
poor
Corey
with
so
many
questions
and
she's
been
a
saint.
J
J
As
Corey
mentioned,
the
comprehensive
plan
map
amendment
is
needed
to
change
the
future
land
use
designation
from
Agriculture,
non-irrigated
and
rangeland
to
Industrial
to
support
the
rezone
of
the
property
from
RP
to
M2.
We
feel
that
the
industrial
land
use
category
is
the
right
fit
for
this
railroad
as
it's
not
really
suitable
within
the
City
of
Impact
areas
and
specifically
with
it
requiring
direct
railroad
access.
J
The
conditional
use
application
is
needed
due
to
the
recent
zoning
ordinance
text,
amendment
that
was
heard
and
approved
around
June
14th.
The
amendment
more
fully
supports
the
industrial
zoning
outside
an
area
of
City
Impact.
We
made
sure
that
we
worked
closely
with
Richard
Beck
and
the
planning
staff
to
ensure
our
application
aligned
with
this
new
text.
J
As
you've
heard,
the
proposed
used
for
the
site
is
for
a
sawmill
that
will
cut,
prepare,
treat
and
store
railroad
ties
that
will
be
used
by
Union
Pacific
Railroad.
This
includes
a
wood
treatment
and
Mining
facility
to
support
buildings
for
employee
restrooms,
break
rooms,
offices,
vehicle
parking
and
access
along
with
our
other
applications.
J
We
are
also
requesting
a
variance
to
allow
they
used
to
be
outside
of
an
enclosed
structure
and
without
full
screening,
and,
while
I
understand
that
that
goes
to
the
board,
I
would
like
to
explain
that
the
preparation
and
storing
of
the
railroad
ties
it
all
takes
place.
Outdoors
railroad
ties
must
be
seasoned
properly
before
being
treated
with
an
oil-based
preservative.
The
process
to
season
railroad
ties
is
called
air
seasoning
and
is
accomplished
by
stacking
ties
in
a
manner
permitting
air
to
flow
freely
around
and
between
each
tie.
J
Hematize
being
air
seasoned
are
held
in
Stacks
until
they
reach
the
proper
moisture
level,
and
this
process
takes
several
months.
This
project,
as
you
know,
includes
the
extension
of
railroad
tracks
that
would
come
off
of
the
Union
Pacific
Railroad
main
line
and
directly
onto
the
site's
Thai
storage
areas.
The
fencing
requirement
could
hinder
workflow
and
access
to
the
storage
areas
and
potentially
affect
the
airflow
to
the
ties
the
site
is
situated
in
an
area
that
is
away
from
substantial
residences,
businesses
and
amenities.
J
In
addition,
our
application
also
does
comply
with
all
applicable
County
ordinances
and
Ada
County
Court,
section
sections,
Horrocks
and
our
client
have
reviewed
all
conditions
of
approval
and
are
happy
to
abide
by
them
all.
We
understand
that
these
include
submitting
a
landscape
plan,
a
lighting
plan,
detailed
parking
plan
obtaining
building
permits
and
working
with
Central
District,
Health
and
more
online.
We
have
the
emeritized
president
Jeff
Thompson
and
their
engineering
manager
Jace
Jones,
while
I'm
not
an
expert
in
railroad
ties.
J
They
definitely
are
and
are
probably
going
to
be
answering
the
majority
of
the
questions
you
may
have.
We
are
here
tonight
to
humbly
request
a
recommendation
of
approval
to
the
board
of
County
Commissioners,
and
with
that
we'll
stand
for
questions.
Thank
you.
K
Yes,
one
moment
please
so
Jace
Jones,
you
should
be
able
to
speak
now.
A
G
P
P
The
president
of
emeritize,
thank
you
for
your
time
tonight,
Commissioners
and
I.
Guess
we
really
don't
have
a
formal
presentation
other
than
what
our
engineer
from
Horrocks
has
already
presented.
Our
our
presence
here
is
just
primarily
to
answer
questions
that
the
commission
may
have.
That
was
not
and
they
would
be
answered
in
our
applicant
presentation.
So
obviously,
we've
we've
come
over
and
and
I'm
located
in
Salem
Oregon,
and
you
know
we've
researched
and
done.
Some
do
those
it's
found.
P
This
property
talked
with
the
the
local
planning,
their
Ada
County
Planning,
commissioner
and
Richard
back,
and
you
know
explain
what
we
wanted
to
do
and
he
thought
it
was
a
a
viable
proposition,
we're
looking
at
expanding
our
operations
and
and
building
a
new
Thai
facility
in
in
Idaho.
P
We
currently
operate
two
facilities,
one
in
Hope
Arkansas
and
the
other
one
in
The,
Dalles
Oregon,
and
we're
hoping
to
expand
in
here
in
the
near
future
with
a
third
facility
for
production
of
railroad
ties,
I
I'm,
not
sure
what
else
to
to
address
at
this
point
in
time,
but
would
happy
to
answer
any
any
questions
we
have
or
that.
P
Okay,
I'm
I'm,
located
at
38.65
Wolverine
Street
Northeast
Salem,
Oregon
97305,
and
that
would
be
the
same
address
for
for
Mr,
Jones,
okay,.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Thompson,
any
questions
of
the
Commissioners
for
Mr
Thompson,
so
Mr,
Thompson
I,
do
have
a
question
relating
to
again
what
Idaho,
Fish
and
Game
was
saying.
I
gather
what
their
concern
is
is
whether
or
not
the
preservative
that
is
applied
to
the
railroad
ties
is
something
that's
going
to
be
airborne
that
would
blow
to
other
properties
and
potentially
risk
threatening
the
the
the
the
threatened
species.
That's
over
there,
how?
How
is
the
preservative
applied?
P
P
The
short
answer,
sir,
is
that
the
the
process
does
not
is
the
preservative
is
not
applied.
Airborne
we
essentially
weigh
our
process
works.
Is
ties
will
be
purchased
from
Sawmills
within
the
Pacific
Northwest
about
indigenous
species
up
here
from
the
Northwest,
primarily
Douglas
fir,
those
ties
will
be
brought
to
our
facility
regraded
to
the
railroad
specs
that
some
operations
done
to
them
cutting
and
trimming
to
make
their
appropriate
size,
whatever
Machining
will
need
to
be
done
to
the
wood
to
make
it
fit
into
the
railroad
operation.
P
At
that
point
in
time
it
goes
up
into
a
a
stack
of
material
or
rectangular
stack
49
pieces
for
air
drying,
and
that
process
will
take
six
to
nine
months
and
we're
just
sitting
there
letting
you
know
the
ambient
conditions
draw
the
moisture
out
of
the
out
of
the
wood
once
it's
dry
enough.
Those
ties
are
transferred
to
our
treating
process,
which
is
totally
enclosed
with
within
a
processed
vessel.
P
The
tizers
set
on
little
carts
that
roll
them
track
and
those
are
pushed
into
a
autoclave,
almost
simplify
as
it's
like
a
big
pressure
cooker
for
has
a
a
door
to
open
and
closes
so
once
the
we
get.
The
material
in.
We
close
the
door
and
the
the
training
process
is
totally
enclosed
within
that
vessel
takes
eight
to
ten
hours
to
process,
dry
ties
and
then
at
at
that
point
time.
Once
we
have
done
the
trading
process,
those
it's
a
batch
type
operation,
the
door
of
the
pressure
vessels
open
back
up.
P
We
pull
the
treated
ties
out
and
and
remove
them
from
the
the
trams
that
move
material
in
and
out
of
the
cylinder.
And
then
the
tie
that
has
the
preservative
impregnated
into
it
by
the
pressure
process
is
then
either
stored
on
our
site
until
which
time
the
railroad
has
need
for
it
or
it
most
likely
is
loaded
directly
into
a
rail
car
and
will
be
shipped
off
site
within,
let's
say,
72
hour
period.
B
Any
prioritized
at
a
time
in
that
container.
P
Currently,
would
that's
I've
got
once
we
Define
the
the
size
of
the
container
I'll,
give
an
example
of
what
we
do
in
our
facility
here
at
The,
Dalles
Oregon,
we
run
a
735
ties
per
person
per
charge
per
per
autoclave
and
in
this
particular
facility
it
we
may
one
time
have
two
two
cylinders.
So
Jace
you,
you
did
the
engineering
you
even
have
a
count.
What
we
figured
per
charge.
R
R
M
P
Okay,
thank
you
for
your
question.
Excellent.
The
waste
products,
obviously
coming
from
the
the
first
step
of
the
process
manufacturing
we're
dealing
with
sawdust
and
and
N
trims
off
of
off
material.
P
Typically,
those
those
products
are
collected
through
dust
collection
systems
and
either
recycled
into
another
use
product
particle
board.
P
The
sawdust
can
go
to
pellet
fuel
if
it's
convenient,
some
people
use
it
for
you
know
bedding
and
horse
Farm,
Corrals
and
stalls
the
the
solid
wood
most
of
that
goes
home
with
our
employees
for
firewood
or
either,
and
it
you
know,
is
sent
for
for
again
another
reuse
into
a
secondary
Market,
the
any
of
the
waste
product
that
comes
out
of
the
chemical
operation
in
the
in
the
treating
side
of
it.
Those
are
managed
under
the
the
record.
J
P
P
A
A
A
A
C
Yeah
sure
I
mean
first
off
I,
think
that
was
the
longest
project
title
I've
ever
read
so
first
time
for
everything,
but
in
this
land
use
the
rezone
and
everything
it
seems
like
a
perfect
fit
for
this
piece
of
land
and
the
use
that
they
want
to
do.
You
know
the
industrial
having
access
to
rail,
they're,
literally
building
off
of
the
rail
line?
That's
next
to
it
and
all
of
that
and
it
seems
very
low
impact,
there's
not
a
lot
of
residential
near
it.
B
Yes,
I'd
just
like
to
say
that
was
a
great
explanation
as
to
this
air.
Treating
and
seasoning
of
these
railroad
ties-
and
it
doesn't
appear
to
me
from
this
explanation
and
they'll
I'm
sure
there'll
be
some.
You
know
inspections
out
there
as
to
how
they
treat
this
wood
and
and
preventing
any
danger
to
the
environment.
So
I
I
think
these
gentlemen
for
giving
me
that
explanation
as
I
am
unfamiliar
with
treating
of
the
railroad
ties.
M
I
just
want
to
highlight
that
I
appreciate
any
kind
of
movement
that
brings
jobs
to
the
in
this.
Obviously,
whether
it's
5
10
50.,
it
does
bring
additional
a
new
Avenue
for
employment
and
that's
why
I'll
be
voting
in
favor
of
it.
So
I
do
appreciate
them
considering
Boise
and
our
our
area
here
for
the
future
usage
of
Manufacturing.
M
A
C
A
S
S
S
S
The
applicant
has
applied
for
a
two
lot
subdivision.
Each
containing
five
acres,
most
of
the
property
is
within
flood
Hazard,
Zone
AE,
which
is
why
the
floodplain
application
is
attached
to
this
project.
The
application
is
also
extending
South
Charlie
Horse
Lane,
so
that
a
cul-de-sac
turnaround
terminates
in
Lot
2
the
southern
lot,
giving
adequate
Frontage
to
both
Lots.
S
During
the
review
of
the
property
and
application
staff
found
that
there
were
two
unpermitted
structures,
one
is
an
approximately
two
thousand
eight
hundred
and
eighty
square
foot
Barn
that
was
built
between
2005
and
2007..
There
are
also
some
ground-mounted
solar
panels
that
do
not
have
a
building
permit
that
were
put
up
recently
before
final
plan
approval.
These
structures
and
any
other
structures
over
200
square
feet
will
need
retroactive
permits.
S
S
A
Q
Q
A
M
M
I
I
just
think
that
moving
from
one
building
on
10
acres
to
two
on
two
five
record
plots:
it's
not
much
of
an
impact.
I
do
appreciate
the
applicant
coming
forward
and
explaining
the
the
building
situation
there
having
dealt
with
solar
companies.
I
fully
am
aware
of
the
permitting
how
they
ignore
permitting
often
so
I
have
no
problem
with
this
I
think
it
doesn't
really
change
a
whole
lot.
No
neighborhood
comments,
so
I'm
motioning
to
approve
it
all.
D
I
just
see
that
it
fits
fits.
The
area,
pretty
good
I,
think
it's
a
good
good
idea
on
exactly
what
we're
talking
about
on
split
it
to
two
lots
and
I:
do
appreciate
staff
going
back
and
having
them
redo
the
building
permits
and
cleaning
everything
up.
So
that's.
A
A
G
Thank
you,
chairman
commissioners,
thanks
to
Amelia
for
pulling
double
duties,
our
Clerk
and
presenter
tonight.
So
a
lot
of
things
to
juggle
all
right.
So
chairman,
commissioner,
is
the
item
before
you
is
a
conditional
use
and
master
site
plan
for
a
an
event
center.
The
applicant
is
Terry
T
King,
Landscaping
architecture
representing
the
Rusty
Bucket
Barn,
the
sub
of
property
is
a
36.6
acre
parcel
located
at
6381.
West
Amity
Road
surrounding
uses
include
large
agricultural
tracks
of
land
and
Rural
residences.
It's
very
near
the
Canyon
County
border
and
I
have
no
aerial
imagery
for
that.
G
So
I've
put
a
label
there,
Canyon
County,
but
so
generally,
that's
where
we're
at
the
Event
Center
will
consist
of
a
5408
square
foot,
Barn
multiple
patios
ponds,
Terraces,
landscape,
Gardens
and
Open
Fields.
The
main
parking
area
will
include
48
parking
spaces,
they're
also
be
an
overflow
parking
area
with
35
additional
spaces,
and
just
aren't
you
Orient
you
to
that.
Here
is
the
barn
area.
G
Q
A
G
Wants
to
go
back
and
see
the
map
of
Canyon
County
that
doesn't
exist,
so
this
is.
This
is
Canyon
camp.
This
is
a
general
proximity
of
our
general
location
of
the
the
project.
Again
we
have
no
aerial
imagery
of
Canyon
County.
So
here
is
the
actual
project
itself
in
the
center.
Is
the
I
don't
know
you
can
see
my
cursor
very
well.
Sorry.
This
is
the
barn
proposed
Barn
event.
G
G
Here's
a
proposed
Landscaping
plan,
so
you
can
see
they've
worked
to
screen
the
main
event
areas
and
parking
areas
from
adjoining
properties.
This
Landscaping
plan
does
comply
with
Ada
County
code.
I've
got
some
renderings
of
the
proposed
Barn
that
will
serve
as
the
Event
Center
space.
G
In
terms
of
comments
we
received
none
from
the
public,
all
reviewing
agencies
and
departments
did
approve
the
project
with
standard
conditions.
You
did
have
a
late
exhibit
from
Ada
County
engineer.
So
we'll
ask
you
when
we
will
incorporate
those
recommendations
from
the
engineer
as
conditions
of
approval
they're
very
standard
in
nature,
basically
creating
a
drain
engine
to
be
accounted
for,
that
sort
of
thing
so
nothing
out
of
the
norm
and
then
Nampa
Meridian,
Irrigation
District
also
provided
a
letter
after
our
written
comment
period
and
all
that
does
is
essentially
identify.
G
The
easements
for
existing
laterals
on
the
property,
apple
and
I
have
already
talked
about
complying
with
Napa
and
Meridian
Irrigation
District
and
the
construction
build
out
of
the
project,
and
they
seem
to
be
able
to
pull
that
off.
We
will
also
include
that
by
reference
in
the
conditions
of
approval,
so
with
that
I
am
recommending
approval
of
the
project
and
will
stand
for
any
questions.
A
T
U
Good
evening,
chairman
and
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Cody
bills.
I
reside
at
5060,
South
Locust
Grove
Road
in
Meridian
Idaho.
Thank
you
for
your
time
tonight
and
considering
our
approval
for
our
application.
My
husband
and
I
are
both
Idaho
natives.
Just
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background
and
we
live
just
four
miles
from
the
the
project
that
we
are
applying
for
when
we
stumbled
upon
this
beautiful
piece
of
property.
It
inspired
us
to
dream
up
this
plan
that
we're
proposing
tonight
when
we
walked
around.
U
We
saw
there
sitting
in
Old,
Barn
a
rusty
farm
equipment
and
even
an
old
Ford
truck
that
has
a
tree
growing
through
it,
which
is
actually
going
to
be
incorporated
into
our
our
venue
space.
So
we
decided
that
it
needed
to
be
a
place
of
memory
making
and
New.
Beginnings,
Curtis
and
I
have
worked
extremely
hard
in
our
careers.
U
We
have
four
boys
and
it
was
our
aspiration
to
create
a
family-run
business
that
would
leave
a
legacy
not
only
for
our
own
family
but
for
the
community
as
well,
especially
the
ever-growing
Meridian
area,
and
upon
researching
rustic
and
Country,
studying
wedding,
Barns
and
venues.
We
noticed
that
leaving
Ada
County
in
most
cases
is
the
only
option
with
limited
capacity
and
a
lack
of
modern
amenities.
So
we
want
to
help
that.
T
Thanks
chairman
Commissioners
Curtis
bills,
I
live
at
5060,
South
Locust
Grove
in
Meridian
83642,
this
property
6381
in
the
6381
west
Amity
Road
in
83687
hard
to
follow
Cody
my
impressive
wife.
She
touched
on
a
lot
of
the
points.
I
get
the
opportunity
to
share
with
you
a
little
more
detail
on
the
investment
behind
it.
Cody
and
I
are
not
mass
developers.
We
don't
have
experience
building
out
subdivisions,
but
what
we
do
have
is
an
extensive
background
in
managing
facilities
and
being
able
to
have
a
vision
for
this
family
business.
T
We've
assembled
what
I
would
consider
the
Avengers
a
project
team
of
professional,
so
it's
not
just
Cody
and
myself
that
are
going
after
this.
We
have
civil
engineers
in
Terry,
King
and
Richard
Kramer,
also
Landscape
Architects.
We
have
our
building
architect,
Jason
Tomlinson.
We
went
through
Pat
Tilley,
a
well-known
person
in
the
area
for
this
survey.
T
We
have
Landon
Brown
as
our
property
attorney
from
Holly
troxley
Ryan
Hills
is
our
general
contractor
from
brassenhammer
and
then
Mike
Martin
from
Avalon
for
our
Landscaping
I'd,
like
you,
walk
through
the
renderings
of
our
property
to
Show
additional
kind
of
vision
of
the
investment
that
we
have
landscape
is
a
big
part
of
this
and
really
appreciate
the
project
team
to
really
put
together
our
vision
in
these
renderings.
So
this
is,
as
you
come
into
the
property
and
then
Leanna.
T
There's
water
features
throughout
as
well
as
a
pond
and,
as
Cody
mentioned
just
some
charm,
on
that
property
from
a
Ford
truck
that
has
a
tree
going
through
it.
So
you'll
go
through
it
you'll
see
the
the
structure
on
the
back
side
of
the
barn,
it
overlooks
the
oahis
and
it
has
on
a
good,
clear
day,
an
incredible
view
of
Farmland,
as
well
as
the
oahe
mountains.
T
This
is
the
overview
of
the
property,
as
you
can
see
a
tremendous
investment
not
only
from
the
the
visual
and
experience,
but
also
just
from
preserving
the
area
that
it
is
in
you'll,
see
that
the
the
larger
land
that
we
own
is
over
36
acres
and
the
the
location
of
this
property
of
this
project
is
intentional.
T
In
the
middle
of
the
property,
there
are
additional
areas
where
views
could
be
potentially
better
on
the
elevation,
but
this
area
puts
us
in
a
place
where,
in
that
partnership
with
the
the
neighbors,
as
well
as
just
building
a
barn,
we
really
feel
strong
that
this
is
the
right
place
to
to
build
this
Barn.
If
you
go
to
the
the
last
couple,
pictures
you'll
see
kind
of
that
larger
property
there
and
the
neighbors
to
our
South,
as
well
as
to
all
all
sides.
The
closest
neighbor
is
nearly
a
thousand
feet
from
us.
T
So
with
that,
we're
excited
about
this
opportunity
and
really
feel,
like
you
know,
as
all
of
you
interested
and
invested
in
Ada,
County
and
being
South
in
that
back
corner,
as
Leon
explained,
where
it's
right,
there
kind
of
the
anchor
of
Ada
County,
what
a
great
opportunity
to
bring
in
a
venue
such
as
this,
and
so
with
that
I'll
stand
for
questions
or
I.
Don't
know
how
to
end
are.
B
T
T
Know
that's
one
thing
that
really
highlights
so
the
the
plan
for
parking
is
meets
all
requirements.
T
B
T
That
81
with
the
option
of
overflow,
if
my
number's
right
yeah
thank.
A
T
M
M
T
It
yeah
thanks,
commissioner
I,
currently
try
to
run
10
acres
that
I
live
on
today,
and
so
we
dabble
in
a
little
bit
of
farming.
This
property
that
we
have
today
is
in
partnership
with
John
vanderwoo,
who
is
also
in
attendance
today.
He
runs
the
the
farmland
and
there
is
no
plan
to
change
that.
T
The
the
plan
is
is
to
build
a
revenue
venue
and
and
prevent
a
future
subdivision
bus,
but
but
right
now
it
is
Alfalfa
on
about
10
to
15
acres
and
there
are
cattle
that
graze
on
the
on
the
on
the
other
pieces
of
the
land.
Okay,.
T
It,
as
is
yeah,
and
potentially
you
know
down
the
road
look
into
what's
next
I
I,
don't
know
it
all
depends
on
the
success
of
this
venue.
Then
just
one
other
question.
T
We
had
an
incredible
neighborhood
meeting.
We
we
went
out
on
the
property
we
I
personally
drove
around
invited,
the
the
the
neighbors
as
well
as
we
sent
out
letters
to
everybody
within
the
area,
and
we
had
over
20
people
show
up.
We
had
chairs,
we
sat
around
a
table,
showed
pictures,
talked
about
the
community
and
kind
of
the
barn
structure
and
had
really
really
positive
reviews,
both
at
the
meeting
as
well
as
in
my
individual
stops
at
the
houses.
A
Thank
you.
That's
why
any
other
questions
so
I
I
do
have
a
question
I'm
reasonably
familiar
with
this
piece
of
property:
okay,
a
beautiful
piece
of
property.
Now
it
does
slow
because
I
recall
to
the
south
from
Amity,
and
so
the
Event
Center
itself
will
not
be
level
with
Amity.
Is
that
correct?
It
will
sit
below
the
level
of
Amity?
Is
that
right.
T
Yes,
the
as
you
approach
kind
of
like
those
pictures
as
you
approach,
obviously
landscape,
and
then
the
drop
of
the
land
puts
us
in
a
place
where
the
barn
is
lower
than
the
entrance
yeah.
A
J
V
5311
Ridgewood
Road,
former
owner
of
this
property,
if
I'd
have
known
you
were
that
interested
in
it,
I
could
have
had
two
people
bidding
on
it.
Instead
of
just
one
I
might
have
got
a
little
more
money
for
that
property.
It
was
the
nicest
piece
of
property
of
all
the
property
I
had
there.
I
have
had
100
acres,
but
this
was
the
the
nicest
piece
of
property
that
I
had
with
it,
and
I
I
just
want
to
compliment
the
bills.
V
I
couldn't
be
happier
with
the
project
that
they're
proposing
and
what
their
their
land
use
is
on
that
property.
When
you
sell
property
that
you
know,
my
65
acres
is
borders.
That
matter
of
fact,
the
creek
is
now
is
now
the
Border.
When
you
sell
it,
you
always
wonder:
what's
the
person
going
to
buy
that
property,
what
are
they
going
to
do
with
it,
and
is
that
going
to
affect
my
lifestyle
and
stuff
like
that?
V
I
do
lease
the
ground
back,
so
it
didn't
affect
my
lifestyle
at
all
and
I
think
he's
going
to
make
that
ugly
part
in
the
Middle
look
a
lot
better
than
what
I've
done
with
it.
I
used
to
have
a
mobile
home
on
there,
and
my
son
lived
in
it
for
a
while,
and
then
he
moved
out
and
I
rented
it
out
and
Cody
and
and
them
said
they
had
to
take
the
mobile
home
off
before
they
could
get
financing.
So
apparently,
Farm
Credit
doesn't
like
mobile
homes
on
Farm
ground.
V
It
is
a
really
nice
piece
of
property
and
I
really
like
the
design
that
they
have
put
into
it,
and
so
I
just
say:
I
couldn't
be
happier
with
the
people
who
bought
it
and
with
their
plans
for
the
property
I,
don't
know
how
much
longer
I
want
to
keep
farming.
The
property
I
know
Mr
bills
asked
if
I
wanted
to
farm
his
10
acres.
V
A
M
A
M
I
actually
I
really
like
what
they're
doing
here.
I
think
this
is
a
need
in
this
part
of
the
valley.
We
see
a
lot
of
these
go
up
near
the
Foothills,
but
pushing
one
into
South
Boise
and
finding
a
piece
of
land
that
works
so
great
in
South,
Boise
or
not
necessarily
South
Boise,
but
in
the
southern
portion
of
Ada
County
really
is
going
to
enhance
the
the
region
and
I
say
it
every
time,
but
it's
it's
always
wonderful
to
get
members
of
the
community
to
come
in
and
show
support
it
actually
does
help.
M
So
this
is
my
pitch
to
The
the
three
people
that
watch
our
commission
Meetings
online.
If
you
we
love
getting
that
positive
feedback
from
Members,
so
it
does
really
help
so
I
absolutely
wholeheartedly
support.
This
looks
like
an
amazing
project
and
as
a
resident
of
South
Boise
I,
look
forward
to
seeing
this
go
up
any.
M
A
And
in
that
regard,
net
regard,
I
will
just
add
to
what
commissioner
Axton
has
said.
This
property
is
unique,
how
it's
situated
and
and
The
Limited
impact
that
it
would
have
on
surrounding
properties
and
and
the
Event
Center
is
basically
going
to
be
kind
of
in
the
middle
of
the
property,
and
it's
right
now.
I
presume
that
you're
going
to
leave
many
of
the
trees
that
are
there
in
place.
Is
that
correct
because
they
certainly
add
to
the
beauty
of
the
property.
It
really
is
a
unique
piece
of
property.
A
I'm
excited
to
see
it,
staying
the
way
that
it's
going
to
see
it
being
developed.
The
way
it's
going
to
be
to
preserve
the
unique
character
of
it.
It's
exciting
to
see
it
all
right.
My
motion
has
been
made
in
second
and
we're
ready
for
a
vote
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye,
aye,
I
also
say
aye
and
no
one's
opposed.
J
G
So
the
purpose
of
this
tax
amendment
very
similar
to
something
you
recently
saw
for
industrial
districts,
we're
actually
doing
the
same
thing
for
commercial
districts
which
essentially
allowing
them
in
areas
or
properties
outside
of
areas
of
City
impact
on
a
limited
basis.
So
again,
this
is
amending
our
commercial
base,
District
section
and
to
kind
of
clarify
that
those
are
allowed
again.
We
have
a
few
of
those
that
already
exist,
but
given
some
recent
applications,
we
thought
clarification
would
make
a
lot
of
sense
so
section
one.
G
Again,
it's
I'll
get
to
kind
of
why
that
matters
to
some
people
in
particular
the
city
of
Boise,
later
on
as
to
what
this
will
take
to
actually
accomplish.
If
someone
requests
this,
we
are
going
to
again
require
that
any
principally
almost
any
principally
permitted
use
will
be
processed
as
a
conditional
use
permit.
Even
if
it
were
a
permitted
use
in
the
commercial
base,
District
inside
an
area
of
City
Impact,
so
for
an
example,
someone
wants
to
do
a
I'm
trying
to
think
of
a
permitted
use
in
the
commercial
Zone.
G
Someone
wants
to
do
a
fuel
station
if
it's
inside
the
air
City
impact
that
could
be
in
allowed
use
right
now,
if
it's
outside
it's
going
to
be
conditional,
so
it
will
be
in
front
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
and
we'll
add
those
additional
criteria
that
we
have
to
consider
for
conditional
use
and
deciding
whether
or
not
that's
the
right
use
so
kind
of
adding
a
little
higher
bar
for
those
requests
outside
of
areas
of
City.
Impact
I
can
walk
you
through
all
of
the
table
of
allowed
uses.
G
G
So
if
someone
were
to
request
C2
zoning
out
on
a
property
outside
an
area
of
City
Impact,
it
would
be
it
has
a
special
denotation
P1,
which
says
you
have
to
get
a
conditional
use
in
order
to
have
this
approved,
whereas
if
they
were
inside
a
narrative,
City
Impact,
it's
just
permitted.
So
that's
the
important
distinction
to
make
is
permitted
uses
you
guys
never
see.
They
usually
are
just
processed
by
staff
and
out
the
door
with
a
building.
Permit.
G
Now
we're
going
to
say,
you've
got
to
come
to
a
public
hearing
to
request
that
use,
because
this
is
a
different
area.
It's
not
inside
an
area
of
City
Impact
and
why
that's
important
is
services
are
usually
more
available
inside
areas
of
City
Impact.
You
know
you
have
better
water
sewer
access,
quicker
response
times
for
fire
and
Emergency
Services
outside
of
areas
of
City
Impact.
Those
services
are
those
utilities
and
services
aren't
usually
there.
G
So
that's
why
we
want
to
be
very
careful
in
saying
yes
or
no
to
these
types
of
uses
again
outside
of
areas
of
City
Impact
so
feel.
Like
I've
said
area
of
City
Impact
about
a
thousand
times
during
this
presentation,
but
so
finally,
we
haven't
received
any
comments
from
the
public.
All
of
our
reviewing
departments
and
agencies,
weren't
opposed
or
supported.
The
request,
as
mentioned
before,
city
of
Boise,
was
an
exception.
G
Their
concerns
they
see
this
as
basically
could
result
in
long-term
adverse
impacts
to
the
community
and
its
resources
result
in
costly
and
unplanned
investments
in
infrastructure,
and,
as
they
see
it,
inconsistency
with
the
comprehensive
plan
which
funny
enough
would
be
our
own
comprehensive
plan
which
does
support
these
types
of
uses
outside
of
areas
of
City
Impact.
So
anyways
we're
in
a
little
disagreement
with
Boise
on
this
one
I
think
to
alleviate
some
of
their
concerns,
which
I
attempted
to
do
in
multiple
conversations
and
explaining
how
this
would
work.
G
If
you're
going
to
establish
commercial
zoning
outside
of
narrative,
City
Impact
you're
not
only
going
to
be
requesting
a
conditional
use,
most
likely
you're
going
to
be
amending
our
comprehensive
plans
to
learn
some
things
you've
seen
tonight,
you
know
you've
got
it.
That's
pretty
high
bar
you're
going
to
actually
request
a
change
in
zoning.
G
Also,
pretty
high
bar
you're
going
to
have
a
development
agreement
which
has
very
specific
details
as
to
how
this
is
going
to
work
and
if
you
break
the
rules,
how
you
basically
your
use,
goes
away:
okay
and
then,
on
top
of
that,
yeah
you'll
have
the
conditional
use
as
well.
So
that's
four
very
intense
public
hearing
level
applications
that
almost
always
are
going
to
get
thrown
at
any
request
for
this
type
of
thing.
G
So
in
that
regard,
staff,
although
we
appreciate
Boise's
concern,
we
don't
necessarily
we're
not
as
concerned
because
it's
going
to
have
to
run
the
gauntlet
of
our
zoning
code
in
order
to
get
approved
out
in
these
areas
outside
of
City
Impact.
A
Any
questions
to
the
Commissioners
for
Mr
ludson,
so
so
I
do
have
a
question
relating
to
the
concerns
that
Boise
has
raised.
As
I
read
their
objections,
they
seem
to
me
to
be
saying
in
part:
was
we
have
planned
for
development
within
our
city
and
we've
planned
for
infrastructure
for
it,
and
we
want
these
developments
basically
funneled
to
us,
so
we're
not
competing
with
other
locations
within
the
county.
So
if
I
am
a
developer
and
I'm
coming
along
with
some
commercial
project,
city
of
Boise
is
saying:
I
want
that
commercial
project.
A
If
I'm
looking
at
well
I'm
thinking,
here's
what
Boise
is
going
to
do
to
me,
I
would
shop
it.
I
would
check
to
see
what
it's
going
to
take
to
do
that
development
in
Boise
and
then
I
would
check
to
see
what
I
could
find
by
way
of
property
in
Ada
County
itself
outside
of
Boise,
to
see
if
that
would
be
easier,
less
expensive
and
less
restrictive.
A
G
I
think
that's
a
valid
concern
and
I
think
that
is
probably
a
situation
we
might
find
ourselves
in
at
the
staff
levels.
You
know
someone
saying
hey
I
do
this
in
Boise,
but
they
have
all
these
standards
that
you
guys
don't
have
so
how
how
can
I
get
it
done
with
you?
I
will
say
that
Boise
and
Ada
County
are
aligned
in
focusing
growth
inside
of
areas
of
City
Impact
for
the
most
part
and-
and
you
know,
I-
think
we've
got
this
initial
run
of
what
this
table
is
going
to
say
yes
or
no
too.
G
That
could
be
further
refined,
as
maybe
we
start
to
field
some
of
these
requests.
We're
like
that
clearly
needs
to
be
in
a
neighborhood
like
we're,
not
building
that
thing
out.
You
know
by
the
railroad
tracks
that,
whatever
you
know
like
the
convenience
store
or
something
like
that,
like
those
are
things
that
we
want
to
see,
pushed
into
areas
where
infrastructure
exists.
Rooftops
exist
that
sort
of
thing
so
again,
I
I,
share
Boise's
concern
on
that
level,
but
I
also
believe
in
staff,
and
this
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
and
our
board
to
ultimately
decide
hey.
G
Is
this
truly
in
support
of
our
comprehensive
plan?
Are
we
truly
going
to
amend
our
account
plan
to
allow
this
happen,
like
I,
think
it
gives
us
some
control
over
the
properties
that
are
in
our
jurisdiction?
But
you
know
back
to
the
original
Point
focusing
growth
inside
of
areas
of
City,
Impact
and
adjacent
to
City
Limits,
where
annexation
makes
sense.
We
are
on
the
same
page.
I
would
say
we're
only
doing
this
to
kind
of
allow
for
some
of
those
commercial
uses
that
could
exist
out
in
unincorporated
areas
outside
of
areas
of
City
Impact.
G
So
again,
we
might
refine
this
table
even
more
to
say
those
there's
a
whole
handful
of
these.
That
just
should
never
happen
out
here
and
we're
going
to
take
them
off
the
table,
but
for
right
now
the
process
I
laid
out
of
the
comp
plan,
Amendment
zone
change,
development
agreement
and
conditional
use.
We
feel
like
there's
enough
layers
there
that
someone's
gonna
have
to
pass
through
and
pass
through
multiple
hearing
bodies
to
get
something
done,
that
we
feel
confident
that
we
can
do
a
good
job
with
this.
So.
A
The
follow-up
with
a
couple
of
other
questions-
one
is
surprised
me,
and
maybe
it
shouldn't
have
that
as
detailed
of
a
letter
as
Boise
sent
an
objection
to
this
there's
nobody
from
Boise
here
is
it
unusual.
I
mean
in
my
experience
now
over
four
years
on
here.
I
cannot
remember
a
municipality
showing
up
when
they've
objected
to
something
and
saying
hey,
we're
here
in
person
to
tell
you
why
we
object
to
it.
Should
I
have
been
surprised
that
nobody
from
Boise
not.
G
Enough
we
had
Caleb
Hood
from
city
of
Meridian
talking
about
a
project
with
our
board
last
night
because
they
did
care
that
much
about
the
project.
So
it
does
happen,
but
it's
it
doesn't
happen
a
lot.
You
know
I
think
we're
all
trying
to
play
the
game
together
and
not
step
on
each
other's
toes.
G
We
appreciate
boys's
letter
and
I
think
they
make
valid
points
and
I
think
those
are
points
that
can
be
addressed
through
the
multiple
processes
that
I
shared
with
you,
as
well
as
any
future
conditions
of
approval
or
just
an
outright
denial
of
a
request.
But
I,
don't
I,
don't
my
my
problem
with
the
letter
from
Boise?
G
You
know
different
things
like
that
that
truly
might
impact
surrounding
properties.
So
that's
why
we
think
adding
a
CU
to
this.
Is
you
know,
in
addition
to
all
the
other
stuff,
a
really
important
part
of.
A
A
And
then,
like
the
city
of
Meridian,
showed
up
last
night
city
of
Boise
could
show
up
if
they
felt
really
strongly
about
it.
I
guess
the
the
issue
for
the
city
of
Boise
at
that
point
is
they
may
show
up,
but
the
real
reason
they
object
is
because
we
want
it
within
the
city
instead,
and
so
it
may
not
carry
all
that
much
weight
with
the
work
yeah.
G
Figure
that
out
through
the
testimony
provided
but
again
I
just
want
to
Circle
back
to
we're.
Not
we're
not
doing
this
to
you
know,
disagree
with
Boise
I
I
think
we
in
general
want
to
focus
growth
in
areas
where
services
and
infrastructure
exist.
I
I
mean
that's
just
good
planning,
that's
what
communities
should
do,
but
I
think
there
are
some
uses
that
could
work
and
don't
quite
meet
that
ACI
requirement.
In
fact,
you
know
our
board
approved
an
RV
park
recently
that
was
right.
G
Adjacent
to
the
narrative,
City
Impact
served
by
you
know
a
lot
of
different
things.
It
was
you
guys
saw
it
a
couple
times.
I
think
the
board
saw
it
a
couple
times.
That's
an
example
of
one
of
those
uses
that
directly
adjacent
to
the
ACI
and
ultimately
it
was
approved
by
the
board.
I
think
you
know
there
are
certain
opportunities
like
that.
That
I
think
we
should
clarify
in
our
code
can
occur
without
you
know,
questionable
interpretation
of
our
code.
B
G
Showed
up
so
for
zoning
tax
amendments.
We
don't
do
a
neighborhood
meeting
because
that's
you
know
it
impacts
the
entire
County,
so
that'd
be
hundreds
of
thousands
of
people
so
difficult
to
hold
a
neighborhood
meeting.
For
that
you
know
we
did
advertises
several
times.
G
You
know
we've
transmitted
to
every
agency
and
group
around
all
neighborhood
associations.
Anybody
that
we
have
a
contact
info
for
was
sent
this
proposal.
Only
the
city
of
Boise
had
an
issue.
Everyone
else
didn't
have
anything
to
say
or
was
supportive
of
the
project.
A
C
C
Sure
I
mean
I
think
this
is
just
another
tool
in
Ada,
County's
staff
Arsenal
and
you
know
like
Leon
said
just
because
this
is
approved
here
doesn't
mean
it's
set
in
stone
and
the
table
can
never
change
and
things
can't
be
moved
around
and
refined
further.
You
know,
as
staff
in
the
county
have
more,
you
know
examples
of
the
practicality
of
it
playing
out,
you
know
and
they
can
notice
the
the
trends
of
things
happening
in
the
county.
A
Any
other
comments
from
the
commission
looks
like
we're
ready
for
a
vote.
Then
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion-
please
say
aye,
aye
and
I
also
say
aye
and
no
one
is
opposed.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
think
that
that
concludes
the
portion.
We're
meeting
for
projects
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
approval
of
the
minutes
from
July
13th
2023.,
so
I'm.
Looking
for
a
motion
to
approve
those
minutes,
Cameron.
C
G
G
It's
like
I,
don't
see
any
issue
with
tabling
those
minutes
for
another
month
to
give
you
some
additional
time.
Okay,
chair,
yes,.
G
Yeah
so,
first
off,
congratulations,
you
beat
the
board
in
terms
of
timeout.
They
were
done
at
8
35
yesterday,
you
guys
are
trending
towards
8
30.
and
you
had
three
times
the
items
that
they
reviewed.
So
there
were
three
items
heard
well
four
technically
another
one
tabled.
This
is
that
subdivision
out
near
McDermott
and
Victory?
It's
been
you
guys
said
yes
to
it,
got
tangled
up
with
health
district
and
hasn't
moved
forward
that
was
tabled
again,
they're
still
exploring
septic
for
that
project.
G
So
the
first
item
that
was
acted
upon
was
a
conditional
use
and
master
site
plan
and
as
well
as
a
variance
for
a
contractor's
yard
and
storage
facility.
This
is
out
off
of
Amity
Road.
That
was
ultimately
approved.
Three
to
three-0
unanimously
approved
next
item
was
a
storage
use.
You
guys
saw
this
out
there
on
the
on
Chinden
near
the
proposed
interchange
with
Highway
16..
G
So
that's
where
city
of
Meridian
did
show
up
and
actually
spoke
to
its
concerns
regarding
the
project,
not
necessarily
opposed
it,
but
wanted
to
make
sure
certain
things
were
considered
and
possible
conditions
added,
so
that
ultimately
was
tabled
for
two
months
based
on
a
couple
of
things.
They
wanted
the
applicant
to
go,
explore
things
with
the
city
of
Meridian
some
more.
G
They
also
wanted
to
get
a
final
answer
from
the
Idaho
Transportation
Department
as
to
how
much
right-of-way
they're
going
to
need
on
shinden,
because
the
answer
is
bounced
back
and
forth
and
we
couldn't
land
on
a
final
design,
which
kind
of
makes
it
hard
to
attach
a
specific
design
to
a
development
agreement.
That's
the
purpose
of
the
development
agreement,
so
they
tabled
it
to
October,
to
give
the
opponent
some
time
to
figure
that
out
and
then
the
last
item
was
whiskey.
G
B
G
Meridian
had,
since
you
saw
it,
submitted
a
couple
additional
letters
with
some
more
direct
language
as
to
what
they
were
concerned
about
and
then
there's
a
large
property
owner,
that's
directly
south
and
east,
that
also
kind
of
moved
from
a
position
of
we're,
not
opposed,
but
we
have
some
things.
We
want
to
figure
out
too
hey
if
you
don't
figure
those
things
out,
we're
a
post.
G
A
Well
before
we
adjourn
I
gotta
say
and
our
staff
for
the
most
part
is
gone,
but
they
were
sure
a
lot
of
people
that
were
complementary
of
how
professional
and
courteous
the
staff
was
and
I'll.
Basically,
they
held
their
hands
through
the
process,
and
so
thanks
to
your
people,
I
I
think
that
they
do
a
wonderful
job
and
they
really
make
the
they
really
make
the
county
look
good.
They
make
it
look
like
the
county
cares
about
the
people
that
are
applying
for
these
things
and
I
I.
Just
thought.
G
Yeah,
thank
you,
I
think.
That's
a
real
point
of
emphasis
for
us.
I
think
the
team
does
a
great
job.
You
know
we
really
dig
in
on
projects
and
try
to
help
people
understand
what
they're
up
against
and
and
how
you
get
through.
It
try
to
make
it
as
simple
as
possible,
but
sometimes
you
can't
and
in
that
situation
you
just
hold
their
hand
until
they
get
to
the
end
of
it.
So
thank
you,
but
I'll
pass
that,
along
to
the
staff
and.